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From YouTube: Public Art and Cultural Commission – March 16, 2023
Description
Regular meeting of the City of Asheville Public Art and Cultural Commission.
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A
Chair,
you
are
live
good
afternoon.
Welcome
to
the
March
meeting
of
the
public
art
and
cultural
commission
I'm
chair,
Katie,
Cornell,
the
public,
art
and
cultural
commission
originally
called
the
public
art
board
was
established
by
the
Asheville
City
Council
in
2000.
This
nine
member
commission
serves
as
an
Advisory
Board
to
the
city
on
matters
concerning
art
in
public
spaces.
The
commission
is
responsible
for
promoting
public
art
in
the
city,
overseeing
the
city's
public
art
projects
and
ensuring
the
art
displays
in
public
buildings
and
public
spaces
in
the
city
of
Asheville
are
properly
maintained.
A
A
855-925-2801
meeting
code
9182,
you
can
send
public
comment
to
public
art
and
cultural
commission
at
public
input.com.
So
I'll
now
go
through
and
do
a
roll
call
of
all
of
our
members
committee
members
as
I
call
your
name.
Please
say
a
quick
hello,
Shirley
Whitesides,
hello,
Hallie,
McGee,
hello,
Andrew,
Fletcher,
Pete,
Perez,
hello,
Joanna,
Haggerty,
hi,
there,
Pat,
kappas,
hello
and
Marsha
has
not
joined
us
yet
Marcia
almodabar,
so
I'm,
missing,
Reggie
and
Marsha
and
Andrew.
A
B
A
A
B
E
A
Pete
Perez,
yes,
Joanna
Haggerty,
yes,
Pat
kappis,
yes
and
I
also
vote
Yes,
okay.
So
one
of
the
items
that
we
also
need
to
handle
today
under
administrative
items
is
voting
on
a
regular
meeting
schedule.
A
So
I'll
I'll
open
this
for
discussion.
First,
what
was
proposed
at
the
retreat
was
moving
to
a
bi-monthly
or
meeting
every
other
month.
So
six
times
a
year
meeting
schedule
and
we
had
talked
about
moving
to
in-person
meetings,
which
seems
to
be
proving
challenging,
and
so
I
also
want
to
hear
from
the
commission
about
whether
or
not
you
want
to
stay
with
virtual
meetings
or
move
to
in
person.
G
G
I
also
don't
love
the
extra
time
it
takes
to
drive
and
park
and
things,
but
I
would
rather
go
through
that
to
physically
be
present
and
get
more
stuff
done.
But
if
we
can't
and
we're
gonna,
you
know
kick
things
down
the
court
because
we
can't
physically
meet
that
may
be
more
impeding.
So
not
like
that's
an
answer,
but
I
just
see
why
we're
sort
of
stuck
in
this
place.
That's
really
what
I.
B
F
I'm
in
favor
of
in
person
for
exactly
the
same
reasons
that
Johanna
said
but
I
I
realize
that
that
could
be
a
deal
breaker
for
getting
a
quorum
for
attendance
and
so
and
I
I
am
I.
I
do
want
to
thank
the
city
for
having
the
option
to
live
stream,
in-person
meetings,
which
actually
makes
this
decision
a
little
harder,
because
if
it
was,
if,
if
we
weren't
in
person
but
not
live
streaming,
then
I
would
say
we
gotta.
We,
we
gotta,
keep
it
virtual
for
Access.
A
D
I
am
curious
because
I
think,
like
often
we,
we
say
that
in
person
we
all
sort
of
like
in
person,
but
I
haven't
heard
from
anyone
who
really
prefers
virtual
and
I
would
love
to
hear
from
them,
because
that's
sort
of
like
The
Descent,
like
if
people
just
can't
make
in
person.
Obviously
we're
gonna
have
to
do
virtual,
so
I.
A
A
E
Saw
the
sign
on
the
door,
but
it
doesn't
matter
with
me.
I
know
some
members
have
jobs.
It's
easy
for
me
to
leave
and
I
think
that's
why
virtuals
kind
of
help
some
in
order
to
keep
a
quorum
as
long
as
you
don't
go
past
four
o'clock
for
the
meeting
time,
because
I'm
running
after
school
program,
so
I
do
have
time
to
get
back.
But
it's
fine
with
me
either
way.
A
F
It
it
sounds
like
it
sounds
like
a
bi-monthly
virtual,
it's
the
is
the
consensus
here.
If
there's
no
objections
to
that
I'm
happy
to
make
emotions.
G
B
H
Hi
all
it's
Marcia,
my
son
has
therapy
every
Thursday
at
four
and
I
could
zoom
in
from
his
therapist
office
I'm
at
home
right
now,
because
his
therapist
is
sick,
but
it's
I.
That's
a
priority
above
all
else.
So
but
I
understand
that
if
you
know
you
know,
then
if
that
means
that
I
can
attend,
then
you
know
Molina
understand
that
as
well.
A
E
H
Yeah
I,
don't
wanna
switch
that
just
because
of
me,
but
this
is
the
only
time
of
the
week
that
works
for.
E
H
Son
getting
out
of
school
and
the
therapy,
but
the
other
days
I
can
do
things
during
the
day
or
in
the
evening
whatever
this
has
just
been
like
for
me
personally
hard
but
I'm,
not
speaking
as
the
hope
is
obviously,
if
we're.
If
you
know,
if
other
people
have
not
been
able
to
attend,
there's
other
barriers
there
too,
so
you
know
I'm,
not
the
only
the
outlier
is
not
me
being
in
this.
So
you
know,
if
does
that,
make
sense
to
change
the
time
for
other
people.
G
A
No
is
he
just
been
incredibly
busy.
He's
got
a
a
number
of
different
projects
going
on
I've
been
in
high
demand
lately.
F
You
know
we
had
a
real,
similar
conversation
and
the
makeup
of
that
board
and
the
schedule
of
those
folks,
you
know
directed
us
to
be
in
person
at
our
old
time
in
City
Hall,
which
was
8
30
a.m,
every
second
Friday
of
the
month.
The
make
of
these
boards
change
the
life
circumstances
of
these
boards
are
different.
I
know,
you
know
both
Katie
and
I
are
going
to
be
rolling
off
soon.
F
So
this
is
one
of
those
things
that
you
know
you
can
reconsider
at
at
any
point
that
that
is
needed.
F
So
it's
whatever
we
do
today
is
not
quite
written
in
stone,
and
so
you
know
my
sense
here-
and
this
is
not
my.
This
is
not
my
preference
I'm
just
trying
to
read
what
I'm
hearing
out
of
folks
is
that
we
may
have
to
stick
with
the
virtual
for
the
for
the
time
being
and
if
we
gotta
have
a
big
old
doodle
poll
that
goes
out
and
try
to
find
some
other
windows
that
works
with
City
staff,
of
course
as
well.
F
You
know,
then
we
can
always.
You
know
these
kinds
of
free
conversations
in
this
hybrid
world
that
we're
in
now
are
just
going
to
be
more
frequent.
So
you
know
I
to
me.
It
feels
like
the
safer
bet
is
being
able
to
to
you
know,
be
able
to
keep
like
you
know,
Marsha
being
able
to
stay
plugged
in
and
stick
with
virtual.
F
Is
you
know
what?
What
is
what
where's
everybody
else
at
with
that.
B
I
think
you're
right
Andrew
that
we
don't
have
to
look
at
this
as
permanent
I,
I
guess
to
me
it's
a
false
choice
to
say
is
a
virtual
versus
live
the
real
choice.
I
see
in
front
of
us
is:
do
we
want
to
have
an
Avenue
that
has
most
people
here
or
do
we
want
to
risk
that?
Because
one
of
the
things
I
think
we
have
going
on
is
everybody
here
is
really
busy?
B
That's
why
everybody's
been
nominated
and
asked
to
be
able
to
come
on
board
and
I
think
if
there's
anything
coming
up
at
the
last
minute?
This
is
one
of
those
things
that
can
just
go
given
Drive
in
Downtown
parking,
Etc
and
I.
Think
that
gets
in
the
way,
but
we've
had
enough
meetings
to
be
able
to
show
we've
really.
Our
attendance
has
really
slipped.
H
Agree
Friday
anything
but
that
The
Vibes
are
off
on
that,
but
I'm
down
with
every
other
time.
The
Wednesdays
mornings
are
really
hard,
but
I
am
open
to
meeting
in
person.
For
me,
what
seems
with
the
other
board
that
I'm
on
is
during
like
the
center
of
the
day
during
like
lunch
time,
or
you
know
something
like
that
and
I
don't
know
if
that
is
something
that
works
for
other
people
to
have
lunch
and
meet
in
person
type
of
deal.
I
don't
know.
A
Can
make
the
easy
shift
today
just
adjusting
to
saying
we're
going
to
continue
to
meet
virtually
and
changing
the
frequency
so
later
in
the
presentation
today,
you'll
understand
this
a
little
bit
better
staff
is
going
to
make
some
proposals
for
changes
to
the
Committees.
The
the
thought
is,
and
this
is
happening
at
a
lot
of
commissions-
is
we
will
meet
every
other
month
and
then
the
off
months
there'll
be
a
focus
on
the
Committees.
The
Committees
will
meet
and
do
a
lot
of
of
that
work.
A
F
I
I
will
add
that
there
is
another
important
voice
that
that
I'd
like
to
hear
from
here
and
that's
our
consolation
if
we,
if
it
was
possible
to
get
better
participation
from
our
Council
liaison
by
moving
to
another
time.
If
that
was
an
option,
it
would
be
really
awesome
to
find
that
out.
I
think
that
would
help
to
work.
F
Our
overall
work
get
kicked
up
to
council
better,
and
so
you
know,
if
there's
going
to
be
a
doodle
poll
that
goes
out
with
the
you
know,
to
see
if
there
is
a
sweeter
spot
in
the
in
the
schedule
for
all
of
us
I
would
that
is
definitely
one
voice
that
I'd
I'd
really
want
to
hear
chime
in
on
that.
A
Okay,
so
how
does
everybody
feel
about
going
ahead
and
improving
the
change
to
frequency
and
meeting
virtually
this
meeting
so
that
we
can
go
ahead
and
set
our
next
meeting
and
then
in
the
in
between
having
some
kind
of
a
doodle
poll?
And
then
you
can
vote
again
in
April
at
that
meeting.
If
you
want
to
make
a
further
adjustment,
does
that
sound
good
to
everyone.
A
No,
every
other
we've
we're
moving
in
March
to
every
other,
so
I
meant
to
say
May,
so
the
next
meeting
would
be
in
May.
A
J
Hello
me
again:
there
we
go
perfect.
Thank
you.
So
it's
been
a
while
it's
been
a
minute
so
just
to
remind
you
over
there,
in
Five
Points,
just
north
of
the
Five
Points
intersection
we're
building
a
new
Public
Safety
station
that
has
a
we'll
have
fire
station
13.,
a
police,
substation,
a
community
room,
an
Emergency,
Operations
Center
and
if
you've
been
in
that
area,
lately
you've
seen
that
it's.
J
Finally,
it's
really
kind
of
taken
off
and
picking
up
steam
and
construction's
moving
along
really
well
now,
so
the
anticipated
it
says,
anti
or
anticipated.
Completion
of
the
building
is
June
2023
so
this
summer
and
then
for
the
art
project
that
is
funded
by
the
one
percent
for
art
that
is
anticipated
to
be
installed
in
July
2023.
J
Soon
after
the
building
opens
so
on
this
project,
we
had
put
out
a
request
for
proposals
or
or
call
to
artists,
sorry,
and
we
had
a
good
response.
We
had
over
20
artists
submit.
We
had
a
committee
that
reviewed
all
of
the
submissions
and
we
selected
the
team
of
Nick
Gertz
and
Alex
Irvine
and
I
think
on
the
next
slide.
J
There
we
go,
you
can
see
the
preliminary
Concepts
that
they
had
presented,
which
were
all
interactive,
concrete
and
tile
mosaic
pieces.
So
after
selecting
them,
we
went
ahead
and
did
some
Outreach
to
get
a
little
bit
of
community
and
neighborhood
feedback
on
those
initial
Concepts.
We
went
to
Tempe
Avery
Montford
Center
up
there
in
North
Asheville
to
Atop,
The,
Water
Days
event.
We
went
to
the
north
Asheville
tailgate
Market
a
couple
times
put
out
some
flyers
and
postcards
in
the
Five
Points
neighborhood
in
Montford
over
there
by
Klondike
and
a
couple
other
neighborhoods.
J
You
know
posted
Flyers
at
the
bus
shelters
and
we
had
a
survey
that
we
sent
out.
We
got
a
good
feedback
from
a
local
church
right
around
the
corner
from
Five
Points
and
a
lot
of
other
good
feedback
on
our
survey
on
those
initial
three
concepts.
And
then
the
feedback
was
next
slide.
J
That
the
the
community-
really
you
know
when
they
think
about
North
Asheville,
they
really
think
about
nature
and
Wildlife
community
and
family
and
diversity.
Those
were
the
responses
we
received
the
most
that
was
most
important
to
people
and
that
they
would
like
most
to
see
they
would
most
like
to
see
in
an
artwork
between
those
three
concepts
which
was
the
heart
of
the
swing
and
the
shelter
they
liked
the
harp
and
the
swing
the
best.
J
So
that
is
what
we
proceeded
with,
and
Nick
and
Alex
went
ahead
and
refined.
Those
two
concepts
to
what
you
see
below
here
next
slide.
J
So
the
harp
is
very
interesting:
it's
a
large,
concrete
sculpture
and
it's
an
actual
playable
harp.
It
has
a
tensioning
mechanism
so
that
it
can
be
tuned,
I
had
asked.
Well,
will
anybody
be
able
to
mess
with
that
mechanism
and
they
said
no,
it
it's
inside
it'll
be
hidden
inside
the
piece.
So
you
know
the
city
can
access
it.
J
If
somebody
needs
to
come
out
and
tune
it,
but
you
know
anybody
walking
by
won't
just
be
able
to
to
play
with
it
and
and
that's
with
the
tuning
of
it,
but
you
can
run
your
hands
along
it
and
actually
play
it
like
a
stringed
instrument.
J
It
says:
let's
see,
on
the
opposed
on
one
side,
you
can
run
your
hands
across
it.
It'll
just
be
like
wind
chimes
that
just
that
nice
harp
sound
and
then
on
the
other
side
it
will
have
all
the
notes
of
an
octave,
so
it'll
be
like
a
piano.
So
if
you
know
what
you're
doing
you
can
actually
pluck
it
and
play
it
play
a
song
If,
you
know.
J
If
you
know
your
music-
and
you
know
your
notes
and
then,
as
you
can
see,
there's
a
concrete
bench
as
well
for
a
lot
of
people
when
we
did
the
Outreach
we're
really
asking
for
just
a
place
to
sit
and
have
you
know
at
least
arrest,
and
but
if
they
have
their
kids
or
if
you're,
exercising
or
running-
and
you
want
to
do
some
push-ups
or
do
some
lunges
or
whatever
it
is
that
people
that
work
out
do
so,
there's
a
concrete
bench
element
as
well
next
slide
and
then
the
other
concept
is
the
swing,
which
is
this
really
beautiful,
swooping
Arch
with
a
concrete
swing
attached
this
one
I
think
on
the
on
the
engineering
side
of
it.
J
You
know
because
Nick
Gertz
is
an
engineer.
I
think
when
it
actually
gets
engineered.
They'll
really
have
to
work
with
that
shape,
because
that
could
be
a
tricky
one
engineering
wise
to
make
stable
and
sturdy.
But
that's
why
I
picked
him
because
he
can
do
cool
things.
So
I
think
this
is
pretty
unique
and
beautiful.
J
The
swing
will
have
a
you
know.
We
were
a
little
bit
worried
about.
You
know
it
being
a
playground
and
then
having
to
you,
know
properly,
have
all
the
safety
requirements
that
go
along
with
playgrounds.
So
he
said
there
will
be
a
motion
limiting
device
on
the
swing,
so
you'll
get
a
nice
little
sway,
but
you're
not
going
to
be
able
to
to
swing
yourself
off
into
the
grass
and
I
think.
J
That's
you
know
a
beautiful
it's
just
a
nice
place
to
to
sit
and
take
a
take,
a
picture
and
relax,
and
you
know
there's
so
many
people
that
run
and
Jog
up
and
down
Broadway.
At
least
I
think
this
will
be
just
a
nice
addition
to
the
scenery
for
everybody
that
you
know
that
walks
in
that
area.
A
J
But
it's
okay,
because
the
last
one
was
just
going
to
talk
about
where
we're
going
from
here,
and
that
is,
you
know,
I
may
be
had
it
hidden
that
we
are
now
going
to
ask
for
one
some
final.
J
You
know
neighborhood
and
Community
feedback,
so
we're
having
a
few
events.
The
first
one's
gonna
be
at
the
end
of
the
month,
March
25th
at
Odyssey,
clay
works
and
people
can
come
out
and
help
make
some
tiles.
Because
all
of
this
is
you
know,
has
these
beautiful,
Mosaic
tiles
on
it?
You
know
which
is
Alex's,
that's
what
he
specializes
in.
Is
these
beautiful
tiles
and
this
concrete
work,
so
people
can
come
out,
families
can
come
out
help
make
a
tile
put
your
little
stamp
on
it.
J
You
know
your
little
fingerprint
in
there
or
Draw
your
little
heart
and
then
the
tiles
will
be
used
in
the
artwork
people
be
able
to
vote
on
what
they
like
the
best
the
swing
or
the
the
harp,
and
then
they'll
just
get
a
little
You
Know
lesson
a
little
knowledge
about
tile
making
and
the
Art
of
you
know
concrete
and
tile
and
ceramic
and
odyssey
clay.
J
Works
was
fantastic,
you
know
offering
up
their
Studio
for
the
event
and
then
there'll
be
two
editions
that
one's
on
a
Saturday,
the
25th
is
Saturday
11
to
2.,
but
then
just
to
give
more
options
in
terms
of
days
we're
doing
in
April.
I
can't
remember
the
exact
dates,
but
in
April
there'll
be
two
more
during
the
week
at
different
times.
Just
to
make
sure
everybody
has
an
opportunity
to.
J
You
know
I
put
that
over
to
Cape
today
a
flyer,
so
they
should
be
posting
that
on
social
media,
hopefully
I
asked
if
they
can
get
it
on
the
engage.
The
cities
engage,
engagement,
Hub
is
that
what
it
is
yeah
and
then
I'm
gonna
start
doing
just
some
personal
Outreach
and
everything
all
this
information.
The
vote
for
the
swing
versus
the
harp
and
information
about
the
event
that
Odyssey
clay
works.
It's
all
up
on
our
the
city's
webpage
under
the
public
art
program.
So
we're
excited.
A
That's
it
awesome,
I
believe
Joanna
and
Pete
were
both
on
that
selection
committee.
Anything.
B
I
I,
you
know
Nicole
I'm
I'm.
We
we
like
the
concepts
that
they
had
from
the
beginning
and
I
think
the
public
participation
we
thought
was
a
really
big
thing
so
being
able
to
get
the
community,
especially
youth
involved
with
the
tile
and
pulling
that
in,
is
good
and
I
really
like
the
swing
concept,
it's
their
revision
to
I
like
the
other
one,
but
the
revision
is
even
more
compelling
visually
I
think
so.
Yes,.
J
G
I
just
want
to
give
a
shout
out
to
you
Nicole
for
just
organizing
it
all.
You
made
the
process
so
easy.
It
was
really
fun
to
work
in
City
processes
with
art
and
actually
see
that
like
working
and
I,
just
yeah
I
think
you
did
such
an
amazing
job
of
this
process
and
it
is
really
fun
to
watch.
The
art
evolve.
A
little
bit.
B
F
I
love
the
musical
instrument
idea
and
it
requires
I.
It
was
something
that
we
talked
about
in
the
river
Arts
District,
doing
kind
of
a
similar
yep
concept
and
I.
Would
you
know
whether
this
project
or
not
I
mean
I'm
a
musician,
so
I'm
gonna,
I'm,
gonna
favor,
the
I'm
gonna
favor,
the
the
the
musical
interactive
side
of
it,
but
I
hope
that,
whether
this
project
or
a
future
project
that
we
do
get
in
interactive
musical
installation
at
some
point,
because
I
think
that
is
something.
F
That's
that's
really
cool
and
there
are
local
musicians
who
could
go
to
this
thing,
sample
its
sound
and
then
turn
it
into
music
that
publicly
and
commercially
released,
and
if
they
went
if
we
were
to
go
with
such
a.
If,
if
the
musical
option
is
the
one
that
ends
up
being
installed,
I
would
suggest
that
perhaps
a
commissioned
piece
based
on
it
and
could
be
could
be
used.
B
A
J
So
we
it
will
go
on
I
think
for
a
month,
so
it's
open
right
now
and
for
the
next
four
weeks
and
then
we'll
have
the
you
know
the
events
and
pull
people
in
person
as
well,
and
then,
after
that,
we'll
see
where
we
land
and
then
we'll
proceed
with
the
actual
final
design
and
getting
it
start.
Fabricating.
B
C
I
will
start
this
we're
going
to
tag
team,
a
bunch
of
these
I
think
so
for
those
of
you
that
didn't
know,
we
were
wrapping
up
our
primary
Community
engagement
last
month
with
a
community
advisory
committee
meeting.
The
community
advisory
committee
is
officially
a
working
group
of
the
downtown
commission,
so
it
was
the
second
part
of
their
annual
Retreat,
and
the
purpose
of
that
meeting
was
to
look
at
the
21
themes
that
the
Consulting
Group
said
that
they
heard
throughout
the
community
engagement
process
and
get
some
reaction
to
them.
C
So
for
those
of
you
that,
were
there
you'll
note
that
you
know
there
was
a
a
few
comments
that
were
made
just
to
kind
of
check
and
say,
but
you
heard
this
too
right,
that's
part
of
one
of
these
themes,
but
other
than
that
everyone
unanimously
supported
the
the
themes
that
were
presented.
So
I
wanted
to
share
that
with
you
all
some
other
things
that
you
should
know
about
is
that
we
had
a
really
successful
design
Workshop
in
January.
C
Some
of
you
attended
again-
and
we
want
to
thank
you
for
that.
We
had
60
people
standing
room
only
down
at
the
development
services.
You
got
some
pictures
here:
yeah
60
people
standing
room
only
and
about
half
of
those
people
were
Urban
designers,
Architects
or
our
Landscape.
Architects
really
was
a
great
mix
of
people,
so
they
were
able
to
work
with
just
community
members
that
weren't
comfortable
drawing
and
draw
those
things
out
and
have
really
productive
conversations,
and
we
we
will
be
doing
that
kind
of
work
again.
I
will
say
so
next.
C
Moving
forward,
we
have
a
tentative
release
date,
I'll
call
it
the
target
date
for
our
draft
plan,
and
that
is
April
17th.
It's
getting
very
exciting,
getting
close
we're
going
to
have
online
engagement
at
the
end
of
April.
That
includes
a
community
advisory
committee
meeting,
and
it
includes
an
opportunity
to
have
almost
more
of
like
a
town
hall
where
anybody
can
come
and
provide
comment
and,
of
course,
it'll
be
up
on
public
input.com,
which
is
the
city's
engagement
Hub
during
that
in
entire
time.
C
The
the
plan
will
then
go
through
a
pretty
typical
review
process
on
its
way
to
council
for
consideration
for
approval,
and
that
includes
being
at
the
downtown
commission
and
they'll,
make
some
final
recommendations
on
that.
C
As
it
moves
up
the
chain,
we
are
going
to
go
to
the
planning
and
economic
development
committee
of
City
Council
on
our
way
to
city,
council
and
I'm,
going
to
update
this
and
say
we
are
doing
the
612
ped
and
the
627
Council,
so
that
has
been
decided
and
the
County
Commission
will
follow
Council
by
one
or
two
weeks,
I'm,
not
sure.
Yet
just
as
an
aside,
if
they
are
meeting
on
July
4th
I'm
going
to
guess
not
that
they
may
be
so
next.
C
Katie
mentioned
this
before
the
meeting
started,
but
we
wanted
to
let
you
guys
know
that
we
are
committed
to
an
implementation
strategy
that
we're
running
parallel
right
now,
but
the
draft
plan
creation
thinking
about
how
we
can
engender
a
little
bit
more
trust
with
the
community.
So
they
know
we're
not
going
to
put
this
plan
on
a
shelf.
We're
going
to
move
right
into
some
short
wins,
some
quick
wins
and
one
of
the
ways
we're
doing
that
is
responding
to
responding
to
the
Mellon
foundation's
request
that
we
put
in
an
application.
C
C
Let's
say
short-term
projects.
We
don't
have
the
money
yeah,
it's
not
like
they
awarded
it.
So
what
I
want
to
make
clear
is
that
it's
a
potential
Grant.
We
still
have
some
hoops
to
jump
through.
We
have
a
draft,
a
Grant
application
that
is
due
at
the
end
of
this
month,
and
then
their
staff
is
going
to
work
with
us
to
hone
what
that
looks
like
it
could
look
like
they
end
up
only
giving
us
five
hundred
thousand
dollars.
C
So
I
don't
want
people
I,
don't
want
to
raise
expectations
too
much
other
than
to
say
it
is
exciting.
Your
takeaway
is
that
we're
working
on
an
implementation
strategy,
but
what
you
need
to
know
is
that
the
things
that
they're
interested
in
are
the
design
and
Engineering
of
a
reshaped
pack
square
based
on
the
community's
vision,
not
construction
for
that
piece,
because
they
want
to
know
that
they
can
fund
things
that
we
can
get
done
in
two
years
time.
C
They're
also
interested
in
the
design,
engineering
and
construction
of
some
elements
that
will
connect
Pac
Square
to
the
block.
Those
are
a
little
bit
in
just
a
smaller
area.
It's
a
really
specific
project.
They
think
we
can
get
that
done
in
two
years
and
then
the
third
thing
they're
interested
in
is
a
piece
of
the
expression
of
Interest
called
shaping
our
stories,
and
this
includes
some
education
and
programming
that
allows
more
diversity
in
the
types
of
stories
that
we
hear
or
see
portrayed
out
in
the
plaza,
but
also
out
into
our
other
communities.
C
So
if
you
remember
the
monuments
project
from
the
melon
Foundation,
their
goal
is
really
to
transform
the
way
that
commemorative
Landscapes
look
across,
look
feel
and
sound
as
I
want
to
say
it
across
the
United
States.
It's
a
national
initiative,
so
part
of
that
includes
programming
and
we're
allowed
to
hire
people
with
it
and
we're
really
excited
about
it.
Unfortunately,
the
funds
cannot
be
used
for
public
art,
so
they've.
C
But
I
know
that
this
commission
is
really
invested
in
not
only
the
more
typical
forms
of
public
art,
but
these
other
pieces
of
Acts
of
cultural
and
historic
expression,
so
I'm
glad
that
you
all
have
been
so
supportive
and
and
understand
the
connectivity
between
just
the
public
art
piece
and
those
other
acts
of
historic
and
cultural
expression
and
the
commemorative
landscape
that
we're
making
here
in
Asheville.
Does
anyone
have
any
questions
about
about.
D
That
I
have
a
question
about
the.
It
seems
like
the
education
and
programming
supporting
that
diverse
storytelling,
that
that
might
kind
of
dovetail
with
some
of
the
art
and
the
Heart
projects
that
we're
really
centered
around
storytelling
sure.
Is
that
fair
to
say
that
that
could
sort
of
support
some
of
that,
or
is
that
too
public
already
for
it?.
C
C
Some
of
the
puppet
shows
that
we
saw
that
those
might
be
those
might
be
around
during
this
next
piece.
This
next
phase,
yeah.
D
F
All
that's
I,
I
think
what
a
what
a
a
more
Universal
place
to
land
I!
Think
with
that
The.
C
C
But
what
I'll
tell
you
is
that
they,
you
guys,
might
want
to
take
a
look
at
what
they're
doing
in
Richmond,
and
you
know
Richmond's
kind
of
like
the
epicenter
of
Monument
removal,
a
variety
of
reasons,
but
because
they
had
the
most
of
them
and
they
were
the
heart
of
the
you
know
the
Confederacy
there
in
Virginia
and
what
have
you
so
they
are
interested
in
monuments
that
are
not
monuments.
That's
what
I
want
to
say
to
you
and
you.
F
Are
yeah
thanks,
expression
of
their
Direction
and
their
their
goals
and
how
they
align
with
you
know
our
local
goals
and
efforts
was
what
I
was
looking
for.
The
other
question
was
I.
Have
is
that
I'm?
Assuming
that
there's
no
news
on
the
on
the
the
legal
case
at
this
point
and
that
we're
still
in
the
holding
pattern
on
that.
C
I
I
will
say:
I
think
that
the
art
and
art
and
end
using
that
as
an
engagement
arm
for
the
pack,
Square
visioning
process
was
really
intriguing
to
the
melon
foundation
and
one
of
the
reasons
that
they
reached
back
out
to
the
county
and
the
city.
Seeing
if
we
wanted
to
apply
and
move
forward,
so
I
do
think
it
all
is
connected
and
will
hopefully
inform
what
happens
in
the
space
moving
forward.
I
I
Surprisingly,
grass
is
out
there
through
the
elements
and
public.
You
know
interacting
with
the
piece
some
and
whatnot
it
was
able
to
stay
up
until
just
this
past
Monday,
so
Larry
King
removed
that
piece
on
Monday.
So
it's
down
now
and
then
in
February.
We
had
a
lot
of
rescheduling
that
had
to
happen
because
of
our
unpredictable
weather
around
here
with
grain
and
whatnot.
I
But
we
ended
up
having
two
screenings
or
evenings
of
projections
with
Briar
Coleman's
piece
and
they
put
up
a
transparent,
Obelisk
type
structure
that
had
a
hole
in
the
base
and
fog
was
put
up
into
the
base,
and
then
projections
were
put
onto
the
sides
of
the
base,
along
with
interviews
with
bypoc
leaders
and
youth
in
in
and
around
the
ash
public
region.
I
Talking
about
what
they
wanted
to
see
in
the
future
of
Asheville
in
the
future
of
the
space
in
pack,
Square
Plaza,
so
really
cool
project
Briar
did
an
excellent
job
of
crafting
the
piece
and
doing
the
interviews
and
pulling
it
all
off.
I
have
a
little
video
clip
that
I'll
show
you
all
after
this
and
we're
working
on
getting
a
final
video
that
I'll
post
online
from
our
documentarian
soon.
I
And
then
the
most
recent
art
in
the
Heart
Project
was
playability,
and
this
was
by
the
Asheville
contemporary
dance
theater
and
then
over
one
weekend,
March
4th
and
5th.
They
did
three
acts,
there's
one
performance
and
three
acts
where
they
were
dancing
and
interpreting
different
moments
in
history.
From
the
black
vote
from
you
know,
the
indigenous
people
using
this
as
a
Crossroads
and
I,
was
unfortunately
unable
to
attend
the
dance
performances.
I
I
So
we're
gonna
check
in
with
her
in
may
see
how
things
are
going
and
and
hope
for
some
July
dates
for
her
installation,
which
was
called
letters
to
my
children.
I
Okay
and
I
think
I'm
going
to
try
to
play
this
sound
may
not
work,
but
that's
not
as
important
for
these
little
Clips
or
teasers.
I
Yeah
we're
working
on
that
right
now,
the
so
the
the
video
clips
right
now
and
with
a
clip
that
I
just
showed
doesn't
include
the
interviews
in
the
background,
but
we're
hoping
that
the
the
final
video
that
we
post
will
include
the
video
clips
and
that
we'll
have
access
to
to
those
interviews
to
be
able
to
review
and
use
in
our
in
our
work
with
Back
Square.
Moving
forward.
I
A
Wonderful
thanks
Carly,
so
we
are
going
to
move
on
to
continued
business
and
we
have
a
big
presentation
from
Steph
on
public
art
funding.
C
Great
and
I
want
to
thank
those
of
you
who
have
seen
this
already
in
January
for
sticking
with
us
again,
there's
a
lot
of
information
in
here,
so
perhaps
it'll
actually
be
a
good
thing
to
see
it
twice.
So
we
have
been
talking
a
lot
over
the
past
couple
years
about
public
art
funding.
How
much
do
we
have,
and
you
know,
are
the
allocations?
Is
everything
done
correctly?
C
Is
there
anything
the
public,
art
and
cultural
Commission
shooter
could
be
doing
so
today
we
thought-
or
you
know,
we
thought
we
could
do
a
deep
dive
and
ask
some
of
these
questions
here.
Kind
of
collaborate
together
on
on
thinking
through
of
them,
so
I'm
just
gonna
ask
to
go
to
the
next
one,
because
I
know
you
all
can
read.
C
Okay,
so
let's
talk
about
where
public
art
funding
comes
from.
As
you
know,
over
20
about
23
years
ago,
the
city
of
Asheville
passed
an
ordinance
to
dedicate
one
percent
of
funds
from
capital
projects,
and
that's
really
one
percent
of
qualified
expenditures,
which
means
it's
not
the
whole
amount,
two
public
art
projects
and
so
just
to
make
sure
everybody's.
On
the
same
page,
when
we
say
Capital
project,
we
are
talking
about
projects
that
we
usually
have
to
borrow
money
for
their
debt-funded
projects.
C
They're,
not
the
types
of
things
that
we
use
are
our
general
fund.
For
so
that's
usually
for
salaries,
and
maybe
one-time
projects
like
doing
a
you
know,
downtown
master
plan,
or
something
like
that,
so
we
also
take.
We
do
not
include
some
things
like
you
know.
If
our
water
department
is,
is
fixing
stuff
under
the
ground.
That
was
never
really
intended
to
be
part
of
the
public
art
allocation.
We
never
thought
we
were
going
to
do
a
public
art
project
there.
C
We
legally
are
restricted
from
taking
one
percent
of
certain
Capital
budgets
for
things
like
storm
water,
water
and
parking,
because
they're
in
Enterprise
funds
and
the
state
says
that
every
every
cent
that
we
bring
in
or
spend
on
those
have
to
be
spent
in
a
certain
way.
So
we
do
not
include
that
in
our
calculation
of
what
is
one
percent
of
our
our
capital
budget
for
a
project,
and
then
we
also
don't
consider
Grant
funds.
C
So
when
you're
looking
at
the
city's
budget,
you
may
see
that
we
have
17
million
dollars
in
there
for
radtip,
but
what?
If
13
million
of
that
is
actually
a
grant
from?
And
you
know
the
U.S
department
of
transportation?
We
do
not
calculate
one
percent
in
that
way.
So
it's
just
one
percent
of
a
smaller
amount
of
money
than
you
see
in
the
CIP
is
what
I
really
want
you
to
take
away
next,
so
that's
the
first
Revenue
stream,
it's
just
the
one
percent
for
public
art.
C
C
The
first
piece
I
think
energy
Loop
was
maybe
in
1988,
and
if
you
take
a
look
at
when
the
urban
trail
was
being
created,
that
also
was
hey.
We
saw
fritzy
for
a
second,
that's
cute.
If
you
take
a
look
at
the
urban
trail
and
when
that
all
went
in
it
was
before
the
public
art
program
was
created
and
there's
at
least
30
pieces
of
public
are
there
that
are
a
part
of
that
trail.
C
C
It
is
what
I'd
say
is
the
maintenance
needs
that
we
have
at
this
point
are
higher
than
what
we
have
the
money
to
spend.
So
we
are
diligently
working
away
at
our
maintenance
needs,
but
you
all
have
seen
the
condition
of
different
pieces
of
the
urban
trail
and
know,
for
example,
that
you
know
Grove's
Vision,
replacing
that
marker
and
we
didn't,
you
know,
wasn't
even
a
replacement.
C
It
was
just
repairing
it
creating
a
new
base
that
was
more
appropriate
and
sturdy
redoing,
the
lighting,
so
that
it
that
it
was
solar
that
cost
seventy
thousand
dollars
so
that
at
the
time,
what
I
want
you
to
get
is
at
the
time
we
took
that
kind
of
money
out
of
the
maintenance
fund
and
the
reason
we
did.
C
That
is
because,
at
the
time
the
policy
said
that
we
could
only
spend
our
one
percent
for
Capital
art
on
projects
that
were
in
the
CIP
and
since
gross
Vision
was
not
in
our
Capital
Improvement
plan.
We
had
to
find
a
different
source
of
funding.
The
things
that
were
in
our
Capital
Improvement
plan
were:
are
things
like
the
rad
tip
right?
So
this
is
our
second
stream.
We
have
used
it.
C
C
Okay,
where
else
do
we
get
money?
So
there
is
a
third
way
and
that
is
from
the
private
sector.
There's
a
couple
ways
that
this
can
happen.
One
is
that
you
may
know
that
we
have
a
community
benefits
table
that
is
part
of
our
development
review
for
new
hotels,
so
Hotel
developers
can
voluntarily
contribute
to
the
public
art
fund
as
a
way
of
getting
points
and
meeting
requirements
in
that
Community
benefit
table.
C
It's
all
voluntary,
but
what
you
really
probably
have
figured
out
by
now
is
most
of
that
money.
The
developers
are
really
interested
in
supporting
two
things
and
that
is
affordable,
housing
and
reparations
that
so
that's
where
we've
seen
those
allocations
generally
go.
The
second
thing
is
that
we
can
get
donations.
We
actually
have
a
line
in
our
budget,
that's
there
for
donations
and
we
did
use
it.
C
C
C
The
most
important
thing
is
that
an
artist
has
to
be
involved
for
it
to
be
considered
a
work
of
public
art.
So
we
actually
have
this
conversation
more
than
you
would
think.
When
we
talk
to
people
internally
who
are
managing
projects,
you
know
Landscaping,
even
though
we
you
know
appreciate
that
a
landscape
architect
may
be
artistic
unless
they
work
with
an
artist.
We
are
not
going
to
call
Earthworks
or
some
kind
of
landscaping
public
art.
It
has
to
be
really
intentional.
C
C
We
can
we
can
use
it
for
Community
engagement
and
we
absolutely
have
used
it
for
Community
engagement
and
a
sidebar
here.
You
know
any
great
public
art
project,
a
big
piece
of
what
those
funds
are
used
for
is
community
engagement.
You
heard
Nicole,
you
know
talk
about
how
the
artists
were
going
to
go
out
there
and
work
with
the
community
to
make
those
tiles
they've
also
already
had
great
meetings
with
the
community
to
determine
what
it
is
that
they're
interested
in.
So
we
can
use
public
art
funds
for
that.
C
We
can
use
public
art
funds
for
administrative
needs.
So
since
we
are
moving
away
from
only
being
able
to
use
it
that
the
one
percent
for
public
art
for
those
projects
that
are
in
the
capital
Improvement
plan,
we
can
now
take
a
look
and
seeing
how
we
can
develop
and
build
projects
and
build
our
capacity
internally.
C
Since
you
guys
know
that
you
know
I
do
public
art,
it's
maybe
10
of
my
job
and
for
Carly
it's
about
50.,
so
you
have
about
a
60
staffer
right
now
and
it
can
also
be
used
for
maintenance
and
repair
next
slide.
C
So
I'll
do
that
yellow
diamond
Bullet
at
the
bottom
there.
First
we're
really
trying
to
come
up
with
a
more
organized
way
for
us
to
move
into
professionalism
and
Innovation,
with
the
way
that
we
deliver
this
as
a
service
for
you
all.
So
in
the
past,
the
vast
majority
of
projects
and
and
their
funding
amounts
we're
just
they're
already
baked
in
you
know.
We
knew
that
one
percent
of
a
certain
qualify.
You
know
the
qualified
one
percent
of
a
certain
project
was
65
000
and
that's
in
it.
C
When
the
project
was
going
to
be
at
that
location
and
that's
the
amount
of
money
you
had
to
spend
but
moving
forward.
What
we
would
like
to
see
is
a
process
on
an
annual
basis
where-
and
this
aligns
actually,
with
the
current
policy,
an
interdepartmental
team
gets
together,
City
staffers
get
together
and
they
discuss
potential
projects.
What
we
think
you
know
are
areas
where
investment
is
really
needed.
Community
engagement
is
needed
and
we
compile
that
list
and
we
have
some
ways.
C
C
We
can
tweak
that
and
then
we
bring
it
back
to
the
public,
art
and
cultural
commission
and
basically
adopt
it
as
a
working
plan
for
for
that
fiscal
year.
Does
that
make
sense
to
everybody
and
what
I
mean
makes
sense?
Is
that
do
you
understand
what
I'm
getting
at
as
having
like
an
annual
process.
C
So
that
annual
process
would
sink
with
the
city's
budgeting
process
and
we
would
start
in
the
fiscal
of
FY
24,
which
basically
means
this
July
1..
So
by
October
we
would
be
coming
to
pack
with
that
project
list
and
then
in
November
we
would
be
getting
any
of
that
additional
feedback,
and
this
again
at
this
similar
plane
internally,
we
have
a
usually
have
a
work
session
or
two
that's
being
started
to
that
is
being
scheduled
in
the
spring
for
city
council.
So
at
this
point
we
have
some
information
from
our
budget
office
internally.
C
You
know
where
we're
going
with
our
five-year
CIP
even
or
what
projects
are
going
to
become
priorities,
and
this
is
going
to
help
us
see
if
there's
just
like
anything,
we
should
think
about,
like
Hey
we're
going
to
be
having
extra
money
coming
up
and
four
fiscal
years
anyways.
Maybe
we
should
do
a
project,
then
so
by
January
we're
looking
at
adoption
for
the
plan
for
the
fiscal
year
that
would
be
starting
in
July,
okay.
C
C
Now,
here's
the
meat
of
the
presentation
there's
actually
a
lot
of
money
that
we
would
have
in
the
next
few
years
to
be
able
to
invest
in
our
community
around
Place,
making
and
acts
of
historic
and
cultural
expression.
If
you
want
to
call
them
that,
so
the
total
amount
that
we
have
right
now
on
the
books
is
about
915
000.
So
you
can
see
that
there's
an
allocation
area
in
the
First
Column
and
then
there's
what
we
have
in
the
current
year.
C
So
even
in
this
current
year
and
I'm
not
talking
about
starting
in
July,
like
literally
this
current
fiscal
year,
we
have
over
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
spend
and
most
of
it
we
already
know
where
it's
going
to
go.
So
you
can
see
the
the
allocations.
There
are
pretty
specific,
the
river
Arts
District
allocation,
that
was
under
the
former
policy
when
we
allocated
a
percent
for
that
specific
Capital
project
and
that's
the
money
we
have
for
it.
C
You
all
know
about
that.
Ten
thousand
dollar
allocation
that
was
made
right
around
the
time
the
pandemic
hit
to
the
African-American
Heritage
commission
we'd
already
set
aside
sixty
thousand
dollars
to
restore,
and
then
reinstall
Art,
Deco
Masterpiece,
which
is
part
of
the
urban
trail,
and
then,
at
the
time
that
this
was
created
in
January,
there
was
about
three
thousand
dollars
left
in
the
art
in
the
heart
budget.
We've
spent
about
30
by
the
way
or
30
or
35
I.
C
C
Imagine
what
we
could
do
if
we
had
10
times
the
amount
of
money
there
so,
but
those
other
amounts
that
that
public
art
General
project
fund
that
is
not
allocated
and
then
our
maintenance
and
Outreach
fund
is
not
necessarily
allocated
and
you
can
see
what
the
those
lines
are
moving
forward
and
that
we
we
have
a
great
opportunity
to
make
a
difference
in
our
neighborhoods
moving
forward.
So
next
slide
reminder
of
the
types
of
things
we've
done
and
the
cost
so
celebrating
African-American.
This
is
not
everything
that
we've
done
in
the
last
couple
years.
C
I
just
wanted
to
be
able
to
show
you
how
much
things
cost
here
and
as
a
reminder,
I'm
celebrating
African
Americans
through
public
art,
the
community
engagement
process
and
the
art
pieces
themselves
and
hiring
a
public
art
coordinator
that
could
help
with
that
process
during
the
design
and
construction.
That
was
fifty
thousand
dollars
in
2020
in
2021.
When
we
reinvested
in
the
urban
trail.
C
We
you
know
that
was
everything
from
replacing
the
bronze
cat
that
had
been
stolen
to
putting
up
new
markers,
new
plaques
to
honor
the
Jewish
communities,
contributions
to
downtown
and
Grove
the
Grove
Arcade
marker.
All
of
that
totaled
115
000
art
in
the
heart
I
just
mentioned
thirty
five
thousand
dollars
for
a
you
know:
11
different
artists,
doing
wonderful
temporary
pieces.
So
next,
so
what
might
we
be
looking
at
so
right
now
in
this
calendar
year?
There's
the
things
that
I
mentioned
already,
including
the
continued
project
allocation,
which
is
unprogrammed
next.
C
Wanted
to
detail
out
a
little
bit
of
the
river
Arts
District
funding
proposal
that
195
thousand
dollars
what
I
want
to
this
was
done
months
ago,
and
we
haven't
updated
it
much.
C
But
what
I
wanted
to
update
for
you
all
is
that
in
discussions
with
the
members
in
the
river
Arts
District
of
like
the
riverfront
leadership,
Roundtable
people
who
are
participating
in
the
riverfront
commission,
what
we've
generally
heard
from
them
is:
they
do
not
think
that
we're
putting
enough
money
towards
the
murals
and
they
want
some
spectacular
work
down
there
and
so
they're,
really
asking
that
we
reallocate
the
forty
five
thousand
dollars
that
we
were
originally
looking
at
for
some
of
these
smaller
projects
and
just
making
a
big
bang
with
the
murals
underneath
the
captain
Bowen
bridge
and
the
murals
underneath
the
West
Asheville
riverlink
Bridge
you'll
see
some
other
things
down
here
too.
C
So
John
Payne's,
chair,
Dwayne,
Barton's,
piece,
cliestas
piece.
That's
on
the
bridge.
None
of
those
have
interpretive
signage,
other
there's
other
pieces
down
there
as
well,
so
we
we've
estimated
the
cost
for
six
signs
and
we
are
also
interested
in
addressing
a
retaining
wall.
C
C
Then
there's
a
lot
to
think
about
regarding
FY,
2024
and
Beyond
Investments,
this
huge
slate
of
things
that
we
could
be
funding.
So
that's
everything
from
the
Cox
avenue
complete
Street
project,
which
is
downtown
to
thinking
about
investing
more
in
neighborhoods
like
the
grant
Center
and
the
grant
Center
already
has
an
allocation,
because
that
was
a
a
capital
Improvement
project
that
existed
and
was
budgeted
before
we
moved
to
pooling
all
of
our
funds,
which
is
what
we
which
we're
doing
now.
Next.
C
And
we
even
have
more
things
that
we've
all
already
talked
about
so
I
want.
This
is
again
it's
really
just
to
remind
you
that
we
have
a
plethora
of
potential
projects
and
we
actually
have
some
money
to
boot,
so
these
are
all
different
things
that
could
be
worked
on
and
it's
not
a
complete
list.
But
it's
things
that
we
have
already
talked
about
with
y'all
next.
C
And
this
is
something
that
we're
going
to
ask
you
to
vote
on
today.
So
this
is
not
just
a
consideration
for
feedback,
but
an
actual
vote.
So
knowing
that
we
have
so
much
work
to
do
and
there's
not
enough
of
us
and
the
city
to
do
it.
We
are
interested
in
Contracting
out
some
services,
so
this
is
similar
to
what
we
did
with
celebrating
African
Americans
through
public
art,
when
we
hired
Cortina
Caldwell
to
come
in
and
facilitate
some
meetings
and
be
a
conduit
between
community
and
the
artists
and
the
City
of
Asheville.
C
That's
one
example
of
how
we
could
hire
somebody
for
perhaps
for
the
mural
projects,
we've
done
and
just
a
an
estimate
of
the
cost
for
a
variety
of
things.
So
I
mentioned
the
public
art
project
coordinator
for
the
river
Arts
District,
and
we
also
are
really
interested
in
having
someone
who
is
say
an
expert
in
public
art
policy
review
all
the
policies
we
have
and
think
about
some
program
improvements,
including
really
simple
things
like
how
about.
C
If
we
had
a
if
we
integrated
work
order
program
with
the
Asheville,
app
and
or
just
had
a
system
where
you
all
could
enter
things,
so
that's
a
piece
of
it.
The
urban
trail
we've
heard
loud
and
clear
for
them
the
last
couple
years
that
we
need
to
have
someone
that
takes
a
look
at
the
system
as
a
whole
and
perhaps
even
you
know,
maybe
contract
out.
We
have
money
for
this
contract
out,
just
the
cleaning
of
all
of
those
bronze
plaques.
C
There
are
over
30
of
them
for
the
the
trail
and
some
are
newer.
Some
are
not,
but
also
to
look
at
the
map,
which
is
incorrect,
make
revisions
and
potentially
look
at
things
like
the
audio
tour
and
start
seeing
it
from
just
a
not
just
a
a
white
lens,
but
having
on
the
different
communities
come
in
and
reinterprets
some
of
those
pieces
and
perhaps
even
change
out
some
of
those
plaques.
C
If
it
is
determined
that
they
no
longer
serve
the
purpose
of
really
telling
a
more
accurate
and
diverse
story
to
our
community,
we
have
a
river
Arts,
District
Mobile
public
art
tour
that
we've
been
trying
to
work
on
and
finish
for
two
years,
but
because
it's
just
not
a
priority,
it
never
gets
prioritized.
C
We
actually
have
someone
working
on
it
in
the
city
right
now,
so
we
might
not
need
the
money
for
this,
but
I
think
what
we're
talking
about
here
is
the
promotion
of
it.
So
it's
not
just
getting
it
finished,
but
really
being
able
to
you
know,
have
a
QR
code.
If
the
Arts
abl
trolley
is
going
down
between
downtown
and
the
riverfront,
do
we
have
rat
cards
that
help
people
understand
how
they
can
interact
with
this
mobile
public
art
tour.
C
C
What
the
city's
requirements
are,
how
to
get
insurance,
what
kind
of
community
engagement
is
required
and
there
are
companies
out
there
that
do
this
all
day
long,
and
so
we
would
Britain
bring
someone
in
who
already
has
a
program
and
not
make
this
up
from
scratch.
C
You
all
know
and
have
worked
on
the
public,
art
inventory
and
maintenance
spreadsheet.
Taking
a
look
at
of
that.
So
you
know
that
it
is
incomplete
and
needs
a
lot
of
updating,
and
then
we
we
always
like
to
keep
some
money
set
aside
for
sponsorship.
So
the
creative
sector
series
is
one
and
is
one
example
of
one
of
those.
C
So
I'd
like
to
open
this
up
for
questions
from
people
because,
like
I
said
I
would
I
would
like
to
see
if
we
can
get
a
a
motion
to
support
or
to
not
support,
staff's
use
of
up
to
eighty
thousand
dollars
of
existing
public
art
funding
and
Carly.
You
might
want
to
go
back
and
show
how
much
money
we
actually
have
right
right
now
in
our
in
our
yearly
allocation.
C
And
I
need
to
clarify
something
because
I'm
realizing
when
I
gave
my
presentation.
I
did
not
make
this
clear.
So
this
is
the
slide
I
want
I
want
to
just
make
it
very
very
clear
that
in
the
past,
all
of
the
things
that
you're,
seeing
now
that
say,
public
art
general
pro
General
project
fund-
that
all
of
those
things
were
already
pre-programmed
into
projects
that
were
in
our
CIP
and
that
what
we
are
now
doing
as
of
last
fall,
is
putting
it
into
a
pool.
So
we
can
make
bigger
impacts.
C
So,
instead
of
spending
5,
000
here
and
2
000
on
that
project,
we
now
just
have
a
hundred
and
thirty
one
thousand
dollars
that
we
are
able
to
say,
hey.
Let's,
let's
use
this
and
make
a
big
impact
for
this
first
year.
I
just
want
you
to
understand
a
little
bit.
I'm
saying
this
to
understand
how
staff
is
thinking
that
hundred
and
thirty
one
thousand
dollars
were
really
primarily
seeing.
C
So
to
get
us
up
to
speed,
we're
asking
you
to
kind
of
give
us
a
blessing
here
to
use
more
than
half
of
that
money
for
administrative
needs.
C
Let's
now
go
back
to
that
slide
that
I,
just
reviewed
I
mean
exactly
the
things
that
I
just
went
over.
All
of
these
things
got
it
yep,
so
Contracting
Contracting
things
out
and
getting
them
done
in
lieu
of
having
yep
and
lieu
of
having
someone
here
right
now
that
can
get
up
every
day
and
get
these
long-term
they're
all
pretty
much
long-term
needs.
F
Yeah,
the
other
thing
I
I
I'll,
say:
if
we
look
at
that,
forty
thousand
dollars.
F
B
F
You
know
if
it
just
kept
up
with
our
population
growth.
It
would
be
about
fifty
two
thousand
dollars
actually
right
now
and.
A
F
Kept
up
any
budget
I,
imagine
it's!
It
would
probably
be
eighty
to
ninety
thousand
dollars
and
if
it
kept
up
with
the
TDA
budget,
it'd
probably
be
about
a
million,
but
so
I
I
wanna
I
do
want
to
point
that
out.
F
As
far
as
you
know,
some
context
for
that
number
how
it
fits
into
the
rest
of
our
budgets
that
we
see
in
municipalities
around
here
and
I
want
to
I
want
to
say
this,
because
I
I
think
that
you
know
as
we're
spending
more
Capital
costs
on
more
pieces
of
Art
and
things
like
that.
If
that
maintenance
budget
does
not
grow
along
with
it
over
time
and
I
know,
this
is
a
council
private.
This
is
a
council
thing
for
not
growing
that
maintenance
budget.
F
Then
we're
really
falling
in
a
hole
over
time
with
this
maintenance
budget
and
so
I
I
want
to
I
want
to
say
that
in
context
you
know
before
we
take
this
vote,
which
I
am
I,
am
in
support
of
I.
Think
staff's
done
a
great
job
staff
and
staff
have
done
a
a
great
job
of
of
putting
this
together,
but
I
do
want
to
put
put
that
forty
thousand
dollar
annual
maintenance
budget
in
in
some
context
about
some.
You
know,
as
I'm
gonna
be
rolling
off
this.
F
This
group
here
soon
I
I,
really
that
number's
gonna
have
to
go
up
if
we're
going
to
be
able
to
maintain.
F
A
I
think
Andrew's
making
an
excellent
point
and
I
just
want
to
piggyback
on
that
and
say
you
know
when
that
40
000
budget
was
set,
our
public
art
collection
was
less
than
half
of
what
it
is
now,
and
so
you
know
the
fact
that
we're
still
getting
the
same
with
over
60
pieces
of
public
art,
whereas
there
was
more
like
30
at
the
time
the
budget
was
set,
doesn't
make
any
sense,
and
so
I
would
love
to
see
that
budget
expanded.
A
Does
anybody
else
have
any
thoughts
about
these
administrative
items?
I
think
this
is
a
wonderful
plan.
I
love
that
you're
going
to
have
some
more
Staffing
support,
I
mean
I.
Think
that's
our
biggest
challenge
with
the
public
art
program
is
just
not
having
the
support
the
Staffing
support
to
to
do
all
that
needs
to
be
done
and
that's
not
saying
anything
about
Steph
or
Carly,
because
they're
amazing,
but
we
just
don't
have
enough
staff
time
dedicated
to
getting
these
projects
finished.
G
I
just
want
to
say
it
looks
so
strategic
to
me
right.
We've
had
so
many
ideas
and
thoughts
for
so
long
like
to
get
a
really
clear
idea
on
how
much
it's
going
to
cost
to
maintain
public
art.
We
should
probably
do
the
public
art,
inventory
and
maintenance
plan
right,
so
I,
just
I
am
fully
in
support.
This
is
the
kind
of
stuff
that
I
think
will
give
you
guys
the
leeway
to
build
more
in
the
future
and
I'm
I'm
really
excited
to
see
this
honestly.
F
Yeah
I
see
solutions
for
a
lot
of
the
continual
problems
that
we've
had
in
here.
You
know,
which
is
what
training
for
public
artists
and
we've
run
into
this
before,
where
our
pool
of
knowledgeable
public
artists
out
there
who
know
how
to
work
with
the
city
is
too
Limited.
So
I
I
love
that
this
gets
at
roots
of
problems,
and
it
also
the
that
policy
change.
Pooling
money
together,
I
think,
is
great
because
you
can
all
that
was.
F
It
was
getting
siled
off
into
a
little
into
just
little
little
drops
here
and
there
and
if
we
have
to
do,
if
we
have
to
do
you
know
a
lesser
number
of
projects,
but
they
each
have
more
impact.
Then
I
think
that
that
that's
that's
great,
so
I'm
I'm,
absolutely
in
support
of
this
and
I
I.
F
Congratulate
you
all
for
bringing
us
something
that
I
feel
I
can
I
can
really
get
behind,
and
it's
gonna
let
the
next
you
know
set
of
leadership
for
public
art
and
cultural
commission
have
a
really
great
footing
and
be
starting
way
ahead
of
where
I
started
six
years
ago.
A
All
right,
there's,
no
other
comments
can
I
get
a
motion
to
approve
the
funding
for
administrative
needs,
as
presented
Iowa
motion.
Do
I
have
a
second.
F
A
Okay,
I'll
do
a
roll
call
vote,
Shirley
Whitesides,
yes,
Allie
McGee,
yes,
Andrew
motions
are
seconded
Pete.
Yes,
Joanna
made
the
motion
Pat.
Yes,
Marcia
yep
and
I
also
vote
Yes.
So
it
is
done
so
we're
going
to
move
on
to
officer
election
process.
Carly.
I
Yeah,
so
it
is
that
time
to
vote
for
our
next
chair
and
vice
chair
and
this
year
we
are
planning
to
send
out
an
email
requesting
your
nominations
for
the
chair,
and
vice
chair
and
I
will
send
that
out.
Probably
in
the
next
few
weeks
and
since
we
aren't
meeting
until
March
May
now
that'll
give
you
a
little
more
time
to
think
about
it
and
get
your
nominations
in
and
then
at
our
next
meeting
there
will
be
a
vote
based
on
those
nominations
received.
I
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
everybody
aware
of
that
process
and
be
on
the
lookout
for
an
email
from
me
with
more
information
and
a
way
for
you
to
put
in
your
nominations.
F
I'd
just
like
to
say
that
I
do
not
intend
to
be
nominated,
because
my
time
is
coming
to
an
end
on
the
commission
and
I.
So
I
look
forward
to
passing
the
Baton
and
and
thank
you
all.
A
It's
Jesse,
Andrew
and
I
are
rolling
off
in
June
and
speaking
of
that,
Council
approved
a
change
to
the
kind
of
selection
process
for
new
commission
members
at
their
meeting
on
Tuesday.
So
Steph.
Could
you
give
the
or
Carly?
Could
you
give
the
group
a
little
update
on
how
the
commission
will
go
about
appointing
those
two
new
members
when
Andrew
and
I
roll
off.
C
I
can
I
can
give
that
update
chair.
So,
as
Katie
mentioned,
this
process
is
only
going
to
take
place
four
or
five
times
a
year
now,
basically
quarterly
and
the
next
process,
that's
coming
up
is
called
Summer
cycle,
so
applications
are
being
accepted
right
now,
and
the
vacancies
for
Andrew
and
Katie
are
up
and
being
advertised
as
we
speak.
Applications
are
due
on
April
30th.
C
So
if
you
guys
want
to
start
recruiting
new
members,
please
please
start
that
it's
due
April
30th
before
you
have
your
next
meeting
and
Maybe
Carly
and
I
can
send
a
reminder
out
but
again,
like
the
best
way
to
get
new
members
is
through
Word
of
Mouth.
C
The
appointment
is
not
going
to
take
place
until
June
the
June
13th
meeting,
so
they
would
be
starting
in
your
July
meeting,
so
technically,
I
think
Katie
and
Andrew.
You
roll
you
technically
roll
off
in
June
right.
So
then
your
next
meeting
will
be
your
last
meeting
and
we
just
want
to
say
thank
you
so
much
for
being
great
supporters
of
all
the
Arts,
not
just
public
art,
but
all
of
the
Arts
that
are
here
in
Asheville.
C
But
yeah
and
Ally
we
can
I
think
is
just
a
point
of
information
when
we
send
out
a
reminder
about
hey,
you
know,
get
your
nominations
in
recruit
for
these
two
members,
we'll
also
send
you
a
reminder
about
terms,
so
you
can
see
who's
kind
of
coming
up
for
the
next
rollover.
A
I
Yeah
I
can
talk
through
this
a
little
bit
but
and
we're
not
voting
on
any
of
this
today,
but
really
want
to
get
feedback
from
you
all
in
the
way
that
we're
thinking
about
formatting
these
working
groups
and
because
they're
Steph
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
because
they're
working
groups,
if
we're
carving
them
out
or
calling
them
working
groups,
we
don't
necessarily
need
to
vote
for
the
formation
of
the
of
the
new
groups.
Moving.
C
So
I
think
that
these
folks
can
all
indicate
either
today
or
through
email.
Sometimes
it's
helpful
just
to
do
it
today,
so
you
don't
have
to
worry
about
emailing
later,
which
group
that
you
are
most
interested
in
serving
on
moving
forward.
I
Okay,
so
yeah
as
a
recap,
current
working
groups
that
we
have
formed
on
the
public,
art
and
cultural
commission
are
a
group
dedicated
to
the
river
Arts
District
and
art
projects.
There.
The
urban
trail
committee,
so
working
with
the
urban
trail
committee
on
maintenance
and
updates
to
those
stations
and
public
art
pieces,
a
group
on
the
pack
Square
Plaza
revisioning,
so
representing
pack
during
those
engagement
sessions
and
reviewing
the
recommendations
that
are
going
to
come
out
of
that
visioning
process
and
then
kind
of
artists.
I
D
I
Foreign,
so
what
we're
thinking
about
for
working
groups
moving
forward
is
is
really
based
on
what
we
were
talking
about
with
administrative
needs
and
how
funding
is
now
going
to
be
allocated
and
organized.
I
The
public
art
program
success
so
thinking
about
connections
with
Buncombe,
County
and
other
Arts
organizations
in
the
community
that
we
could
work
with,
and
then
we
would
also
have
the
artist
selection
groups
that
would
be
determined
as
projects
come
up
and
public
art
projects
are
selected
for
the.
H
I
Capital
projects
or
places
that
we
want
to
focus
our
funding
throughout
the
city.
So
those
are
our
proposals
and
if
you
all
have
questions
about
those
working
groups
or
think
we
should
add
a
working
group
or
you
know-
change
what's
under
those
different
categories.
We'd
love
to
hear
from
you
all
about
that
at
this.
I
B
G
What
if
the
artist
selection
committee
was
also
like
a
special
committee
too,
that
could
house
some
of
those
ongoing
projects
or
you
know
so
I
think
there's
a
way
to
keep
it
these
three,
but
you're
there
and
also
I,
just
want
to
say
I
have
a
meeting
right
at
5
30.
So
if
we
have
to
end
at
that
point,
I
can
just
tap
out,
but
I've
Loved.
This
meeting.
E
D
C
Yeah
we
can
send
some
yeah
some
updates
and
including,
if
anyone
has
any
comments
about
as
as
Carly
mentioned,
if
they
feel
comfortable
with
just
being
on
one
of
these
three
or
if
there
was
something
else
that
they
were
anticipating
would
be
a
potential
work
area.