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From YouTube: Historic Resources Commission – April 12, 2023
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Regular meeting of the City of Asheville Historic Resources Commission.
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C
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B
C
Good
afternoon
I'm,
chair,
Emily,
kite
and
I
would
like
to
welcome
you
to
the
April
2023
historic
Resources
Commission
meeting.
The
HRC
is
a
quasi-judicial
body
that
is
governed
by
North
Carolina,
General
statutes,
the
city
of
Asheville's,
unified
development,
ordinance
and
Buncombe
County
ordinance.
E
C
C
We
will
now
begin
the
evidentiary
hearings
for
items
listed
on
the
agenda
as
a
quasi-judicial
proceeding.
The
HRC
is
not
setting
policy,
nor
are
we
soliciting
public
opinion
on
the
desirability
of
an
application.
The
HRC
hears
and
considers
evidence
presented
and
applies
the
standards
set
forth
in
the
guidelines
and
standards
of
the
specific
historic
district.
For
that
application.
The
HRC
must
make
its
decision
upon
competent
material
and
substantial
evidence
to
determine
the
facts
of
the
hearing.
The
HRC
will
use
judgment
discretion
to
apply
the
standards
contained
in
the
relevant
guidelines
to
the
facts.
C
Commissioners
and
voting
for
an
item
will
not
have
had
a
fixed
opinion.
That's
not
susceptible
to
change
will
not
have
a
conflict
of
interest
and
will
not
have
engaged
the
next
part.
A
communication
regarding
the
application.
The
following
are
the
rules
for
speaking.
This
meeting
is
open
to
the
public,
but
participation
is
limited
to
interested
parties
who
wish
to
provide
comment
and
testimony
regarding
the
proposal.
If
you
will
be
speaking
as
a
witness,
please
focus
on
the
facts
and
how
they
relate
to
the
relevant
historic
district
standards
and
guidelines,
not
personal
preference
or
opinion.
C
That
covers
everybody,
excellent
okay,
where's
your
right
hand.
Do
you
solemnly
swear
or
affirm
that
the
information
you
present
during
the
hearing
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
or
preliminary
subdivision
approval
before
the
historic
Resources
Commission
shall
be
the
truth,
the
whole
truth
and
nothing,
but
the
truth.
Do
you.
C
Okay,
we're
going
to
move
to
our
first
public
hearing
item
and
it
looks
like
do
we
want
to
make
them
to
continue
the
Biltmore
Village
project
before
we
get
started
Alex?
How
do
we
want
to
wait?
Okay,
so
we
need
a
motion
to
continue
the
project
of
Brook
Street
and
Hendersonville
Road
in
Biltmore
Village,
so
moved.
J
C
K
It's
noted
this
is
an
old
business
item
left
over
from
the
what
month
are
we
in
the
March
meeting
so
I
think
the
bulk
of
the
discussion
last
time
around
centered
around
just
a
couple
of
things,
primarily
the
railing
around
the
driveway
I,
know
I
just
bring
you
or
not
here
last
time,
but
I.
Think
most
of
the
discussion
was
not
on
the
design
of
the
structure
itself,
because
I
think
everyone
had
kind
of
coalesced
around
that
it
was.
You
know
a
design
that
meets
the
standard.
L
K
Really
the
the
outstanding
issue
was
the
the
railing
that's
shown
on
the
site
plan
on
the
top
right,
the
red
line
that
goes
around
the
northern
property
boundary
and
meets
the
house,
because
that's
a
retaining
wall
that
drops
off
to
the
adjacent
property
or
will
be
a
retaining
wall.
It's
it's
six
feet
tall.
They
are
required
by
building
code
to
have
a
some
kind
of
barrier
there.
K
K
We
talked
about
potentially
that
or
just
asked
them
to
look
at
potentially
Shifting
the
building
footprint
over
a
little
bit
to
the
Southwest,
so
that
perhaps
there
was
more
room
to
screen
the
railing
in
some
way,
but
I
think
there
it's
just
such
a
tight
lot.
They
really
just
don't
have
room
to
move
I
met
with
the
architect
and
the
applicant
who's
here
a
couple
weeks
ago
to
talk
about
it
and
it's
it's
just
limited.
So
one
thing
we
did
discuss
was
a
new
commissioner.
K
Kerry
mentioned
that
you
I,
think
you
live
in
Montford
Hills
right
and
that
maybe
one
of
your
neighbors
has
the
kind
of
cable,
the
post
and
cable,
fencing
or
railing
if
you
will
and
that.
Maybe
that
was
an
option
because
it
would
be
more
less
visible
within
the
the
landscape.
That
would
be
something
new
that
the
commission
hasn't
approved
before
so
I
just
thrown
that
out.
There
is
something
that
that
I
did
talk
to
them
about
I.
K
K
There
haven't
really
been
any
substantial
changes,
although
there
are
revised
plans
in
there
that
just
correct
the
reconcile.
The
site
plan
with
the
I
think
it
was
the
perspective
renderings
and
maybe
one
of
the
elevation
drawings
that
show
the
railing
coming
out
beyond
the
front
of
the
of
the
front
building
plane
and
so
I.
They
corrected
the
the
plans
to
match,
and
then
the
trash
enclosure
was
also
moved
at
my
suggestion
around
to
the
corner
front
corner
of
the
lot.
K
So
it's
not
like
front
and
center
in
the
in
the
middle
of
the
property
at
the
street
and
I
think
that
was
everything.
I
know
that
the
applicant
has
some
photos
he's
trying
to
email
me
at
present
that
maybe
we're
having
a
little
bit
of
connectivity
issue
with
or
what
the
email
won't
send.
But
we
can
figure
out
try
to
help
figure
out
getting
you
plugged
in
potentially
over
here
Avery
our
Tech
wizard
can
help
you
with
that
and
then
there's
just
a
few
little
last
minute
things
that
we
need.
K
That
could
be
yeah
I
think.
Actually.
All
of
this
is
just
kind
of
leftover
that
I
hadn't
edited
our
I
think
it
still
would
be
helpful
to
know
I'm
still
not
100
clear
on,
and
this
is
kind
of
I've
seen
this
happen
happening
recently
with
our
new
construction
projects,
we're
not
thinking
about
every
site,
detail,
and
then
people
are,
you
know,
realizing
they
need
a
walkway
or
a
landing
somewhere,
and
they
just
build
it
without
coming
back
to
us
to
get
approval
so
I
want
to
make
you
know
double
sure.
K
We
understand
what's
happening
as
you
exit
off
that
deck
like
are,
you
is,
is
there
a
walkway
going
somewhere
or
is
it
just
a
landing?
And
if
so,
then
the
plan
should
show
that?
Are
you
just
walking
out
into
the
grass?
That's
fine,
but
it
needs
to
show
that
or
we
need
to
be
clear
on
that.
The
exact
window
specifications
are
something
that
is
outstanding,
that's
something
we
could
accept
at
staff
level,
since
we
know
what
the
style
is
and-
and
the
commission
has
approved,
that
two
over
one
style
in
other
projects.
K
K
Derailing
and
I
think
what
Aaron
the
applicant
is
trying
to
send
me
right
now,
just
to
show
what
the
what
it
would
look
like
from
the
neighboring
property
because
he
has
planned
the
neighbor.
Just
that's.
That
was
a
newly
constructed
house
and
so
he's
just
recently
installed
his
landscaping
and
so
once
it
matures
it
should
Shield
the
wall
and
hopefully
the
railing
to
some
degree
in
the
future.
It
just
won't
be
right
out
of
the
gate.
Obviously
so
I
I
tend
to
think
the
wood
railing
is
maybe
the
more
appropriate
option.
K
It's
just
more
traditional
looking
than
the
Contemporary
appearance
of
the
the
cable
railing
and
we've
had
people
ask
for
that
on
decks,
and
things
like
that
in
the
past,
where
we've
said
it
looks
too
contemporary
for
Montford
and
so
kind
of
somewhere
in
the
middle
I.
Guess
to
answer
your
question
on
that:
what
are
you?
What
do
you
think?
Do
you
think
the.
E
J
G
G
K
K
M
I'm,
the
property
owner
and
developer
so
I'd
like
to
at
least
call
out
the
things
that
were
changed
on
this
slight
revision
and
you
can
see
kind
of
in
the
bubbles.
If
you
look
at
the
plans,
so
I
think
the
things
that
are
germane
to
the
conversation
would
be
around
the
egress
from
the
poor,
the
back
porch
we
start
wherever,
but
that
the
use
of
the
back
porch
and
I'm
attempting
to
try
to
show
you
the
photos
and
some
reason
it
won't.
They
won't
send
on
the
mail
server.
So
I
apologize
for
that.
M
Sure
yeah,
if
that's
possible,
but
and
so
the
it's
very
strange,
we
don't
know
the
final
grade
of
the
back
of
the
property
of
course.
But
clearly,
if
you
stand
looking
at
the
property
and
it
it
goes
down,
you
know
down
to
this
Swale
and
then
it
also
tilts
to
the
left
and
it
drops
off
quite
precipitously
in.
L
M
M
M
Certainly
if
you
can
see
on
the
plan
this
post,
that
kind
of
drives
themselves
down
on
the
low
side
where
the
final
grade
will
be
it's
hard
to
tell
we're
not
going
to
change
the
grade.
That's
not
the
intent,
however.
I
think
the
intent
is
to
have
that
whole
side
open
or
the
recommendation
of
the
committee
have
an
open,
an
open,
not
a
gay,
but
just
an
opening
that
would
that
would
go
off
onto
the
fall
off
into
either
mulch
or
or
grass
likely
mulch.
C
M
J
M
It
so
I
I
think
I
asked
Aaron
Wilson
to
go
ahead
and
just
leave
that
end
open.
It's
not
a
very
big
structure
because
we're
impinging
on
the
setback
in
the
rear,
and
you
only
can
do
so
many
feet
as
you
know,
so
we
kept
it
quite
narrow,
I
think
it's
eight
or
feet,
maybe
eight
or
ten
or
twelve
I
think
sorry
I'm
doing
it
for
memory,
so
I'm
open
to
having
the
rail
come
to
some
point
because
it
again
it
drops
at
two
angles
back
into
the
side.
M
M
J
M
M
Much
hard
sleeping
there
that
I
can
sell
I
mean
I,
don't
see
really
the
need.
There
will
be
other
hardscaping
on
the
property
for
sure
in
the
front
yard,
and
certainly
eventually,
on
a
opposite
corner
on
the
other
side,
as
it
falls
off
very
quickly,
just
cause
I
retaining
I
could
use
lock
or
anything.
It
would
be
all
natural
maturity
is
there,
but
the
answer
is
really
no
yeah.
It's
gonna.
Just
it's
got
no
man's
land.
M
K
K
M
Okay,
yeah
I
mean
a
wooden
structure,
would
be
fine,
and
metal
structure
would
be
fine
either
one
whatever.
Then
it
works,
and
so
that
that's
yeah,
hopefully
that's
clear,
like
I,
said
the
the
that
going
back
to
the
the
actual
deck.
If
that
really
has
to
extend
some
way
just
to
make
sure
it's
not
a
hazard,
that
certainly
makes
sense
to
me:
I
mean
it
will
die
on
grade
there,
and
then
it
should
be
okay.
M
M
M
So
that's
something
that
wasn't
contemplated,
but
Alex
and
I
spoke
about
it
and
I
understand
the
need
for
it
and
I
want
to
make
sure
I'm
compliant
to
that
end
notes
the
reason
the
photos
and
that's
what
my
intent
was
to
show
you
the
as
built.
That's
there
today
I,
as
you
know,
have
the
house
on
Cortland
and
then
there's
a
bunch
of
screening.
K
M
M
Is
there,
as
is
so
the
code
instruction
was
the
first
structure,
then
the
six
Houston
was
the
one
that
was
just
completed
and
some
type
of
screening
bushes
that
are
applicable
to
both
buildings.
Are
there
until
there
I
mean
they're,
obviously
fairly
young,
but
they
will
grow
over
time
and
they
they're
only
within
three
about
three
feet
of
the
building
or
four
feet
of
the
building.
I
mean
sorry
the
property
line.
M
C
D
I
F
M
K
J
M
Are
tea,
olives,
building
those
trees,
bushes,
they
get
volleyball
10
feet
high
and
about
six
feet
wide,
obviously
they're,
not
there.
You
have
to
space
there's
two
four
six,
seven
of
them
and
that
is
within
four
feet
ability
so
so
I'm
going
to
be
really
close
to
the
building
line,
the
property
line
because
of
the
setback
and
I
think
we're
only
half
a
Florida.
No
one
foot
so
I
think
that
will
kind
of
screen
that
foundational
retaining
wall
over
time.
M
M
Juxtaposition
of
how
that
is
and
yeah,
and
then
this
looks
down
the
property
line.
Can
you
guys
see
that
so
you
can
see
that's
my
property
in
the
back
right
corner
and
then
here's
the
property
state
and
you
can
kind
of
get
a
sense.
I
know
so
that'd
be
looking
from
the
street.
Looking
straight
down
between
the
two
properties.
The
new
construction
project
on
eight
is
on
the
left.
I
mean
sits.
M
K
B
K
G
B
D
A
little
bit
all
right
here
we
go
Madam
chair,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
to
this
commission,
including
exhibit
a
application.
Two
pages
exhibit
B
and
new
construction
worksheet
four
pages
Exhibit
C
plans
and
drawings.
Seven
pages
exhibit
D
material
specifications.
12
Pages
exhibit
e
revised
plans.
Seven
pages
received
March
8th
2023,
exhibit
F
revised
plans.
D
D
In
in
the
color,
black
doors
will
be
wood,
Rogue,
traditional
series,
craftsman
style
and
aluminum,
clad
single
light
front
entry
will
be
set
within
covered
porch,
supported
by
eight
inch
square
wood
posts,
wood
steps,
wood
tongue
and
groove
flooring
and
painted
square
wood.
Lattice
screening
beneath
secondary
entrance
will
secondary
entrance
with
wood.
Landing
will
be
constructed
on
North
elevation,
18
foot
by
10
foot,
wood
deck
with
wood,
picket
railing
space.
Three
and
a
half
inches
on
Center
will
be
constructed
on
the
rear.
D
Elevation,
remove
two
mature
trees
to
accommodate
Construction
24
foot
long
by
nine
and
a
half
foot
wide,
concrete,
driveway
adjacent
to
Northern
property
boundary
construct,
six
foot
tall
stucco
retaining
wall
with
painted
wood
railing
around
north
and
west
sides
of
driveway
construct.
Four
foot
wide
Tennessee
flagstone
walkway,
connecting
from
driveway
to
front
entry
construct
two
foot
wide
by
three
inch:
long
by
four
foot
tall
painted
wood
trash
enclosure:
oh
wait,
three
feet:
long,
sorry,
wood
trash
enclosure,
adjacent
to
Southern,
Property,
boundary,
Foundation
plantings
will
be
installed.
D
Ground
cover
must
be
established
within
15
days
of
completion
of
construction,
and
the
remainder
of
the
Landscaping
must
be
installed
within
three
years.
If
archaeological
resources
are
discovered
during
site,
work,
work
will
cease
until
City
staff
have
been
notified
and
have
inspected
the
site.
All
work
will
be
in
accordance
with
attached
and
approved
drawings
and
plans.
All
permits,
variances
or
approvals
is
required
by
law
must
be
obtained
before
work.
Make
amends
number
two
with
the
standards
for
new
construction.
D
Primary
structures
found
on
pages
92
to
93
Dex
on
pages
38
to
39,
walkways
driveways
and
off-street
parking
on
pages
50
to
51
landscaping
and
trees
on
pages
40
to
41
fences
and
walls
on
pages
36
to
37
utilities,
mechanical
systems
on
pages
82
to
83
Lighting
on
pages
42
to
43
and
Archeology.
On
pages
32-33
in
The
Montfort
historic
district
design
review
standards
adopted
on
April,
14,
2010
and
amended
December
9
2019
were
used
to
evaluate
this
request.
Three,
this
application
does
meet
the
design
standards
for
the
following
reasons.
D
A
new
primary
structure
is
cited
so
that
it
is
similar
to
the
historic
pattern
in
terms
of
orientation
setback.
Retention
of
green
space
and
spacing
between
structures,
B
new
primary
structure
is
designed
so
that
the
overall
character
of
the
adjacent,
streetscape
and
building
site
is
maintained.
C,
new
primary
structure
is
compatible
in
height,
roof
form,
scale,
massing
footprint,
material,
detail,
fenestration
and
proportion
with
surrounding
historic
buildings
and
other
historic
buildings
in
the
district,
D
location
and
size
of
windows
and
door.
Openings
are
compatible
in
placement
orientation.
Spacing
proportion,
size
and
scale
with
surrounding
historic
buildings.
D
E
materials
and
finishes
are
typical
of
those
found
in
the
district.
F
deck
will
be
wood
and
inset
from
the
rear.
Building,
Corners
G,
new
walkway
and
retaining
wall
will
be
compatible
with
the
site
and
District
in
terms
of
Dimension
configuration,
materials,
color
and
texture.
H
protective
fencing
will
be
installed
around
critical
root
zones
of
existing
mature
trees.
I
mechanical
unit
will
be
located
on
the
side,
elevate
and
screened
with
plantings.
D
C
D
Carries
based
upon
the
foregoing
findings
and
for
the
reasons
set
forth
therein,
I
moved
that
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
be
issued
with
the
following
conditions
that
window
specifications,
mechanical
unit
specifications
and
stone
sample
or
image
will
be
submitted
for
staff
review
and
approval.
Second,.
K
K
I
just
showed
the
front
elevation
to
provide
some
context
to
what
we're
talking
about,
or
the
structure
that
we're
talking
about,
but
essentially
this
the
primary
part
of
this
project
is
removal
of
this
non-original
bump.
Out.
On
the
back
of
this
structure,
there
was
a
two-story
little
bump
out
originally
on
the
structure.
That's
still
there.
This
the
park
closest
in
the
photo,
though,
has
just
been
kind
of
tacked
on
you
could
tell
by
the
by
the
way
the
roof
form
is.
K
If
you
went
out
there,
it's
just
tucked
up
under
the
the
original
roof,
and
it
has
been
obviously
mucked
with
over
time
the
previous
owner
started
to
try
to
do
something
with
the
space.
It's
got
a
really
narrow
small
kind
of
funky
Kitchen
in
there,
so
they're
trying
to
accommodate
some
additional
space
for
the
kitchen
and
for
an
upstairs
bedroom.
So
it's
a
pretty
pretty
small
scale.
Addition,
that's
being
proposed.
None
of
the
windows
in
that
upper
story
of
the
bump
out
as
best
we
could
tell
or
original
to
the
structure.
K
There
is
down
a
little
hard
to
tell
in
this
photo,
but
a
little
like
on
the
first
floor.
There
are
a
couple
of
original
Windows
there
that
I
didn't
know.
I
met
with
one
of
the
property
owners
on
the
site
yesterday
and
usually
when
you
all
are
reviewing
projects
that
involve
just
wholesale
removal
of
an
original
window
for
a
construction
project
like
this
they've
been
required
to
retain
the
windows
on
site
the
window
units
on
site
somewhere,
so
that
they
can
be
reused
at
some
point
in
the
future.
K
K
So
I've
not
noted
any
concerns,
except
for
I,
did
kind
of
realize
at
the
last
minute
that
there
was
it
wasn't
in
the
project
description,
so
I
missed
it,
but
there
were
some
window
and
some
other
windows
that
are
proposed
for
replacement,
so
that
I
got
clear
on
yesterday
on
the
side
on
the
South
Side
elevation,
there's
also
a
little
bump
out.
That's
got.
K
It's
got
a
window
on
each
side
on
both
floors
and
the
original
windows
are
present
on
the
first
story.
If
you
can
see
in
the
middle
picture
the
12
Light
Window,
those
are
original
and
then
the
upper
story,
windows
that
were
all
replaced
at
some
point
with
windows
that
are
not
matching
the
ones
at
the
bottom,
so
they're
proposing
to
replace
those
three
Windows
with
new
new
wood
windows
that
will
match
the
original
ones
and
then
on
the
on
the
picture
on
the
right.
G
K
Oh
on
the
on
the
bottom
left:
oh
yeah
in
the
upper
sash,
yes
yeah,
so
I
I
really
am
not
noting
any
concerns,
with
the
exception
of
that
one
double
hung
window
on
the
south
side
that
we
just
don't
know.
There's
sorry
I
should
go
back
and
point
out
too
that
the
applicant
did
send
me
some
photos
today
of
the
interior
of
that
window,
and
it
does
look
like
it's
in
pretty
rough
shape.
I.
Just
we
don't
know
100
I'm,
not
a
I'm,
not
an
expert
in
restoration
of
windows.
D
K
K
Right
and
it's
I
mean
there,
it's
it's
a
really
big
lot.
If
you
went
back
there,
and
so
it's
not
really
like
it's
not
going
to
be
a
substantial
change.
I,
don't
think
in
terms
of
like
overpowering
the
site
and
right
now,
it's
just
a
bunch
of
broken
up
Asphalt
or
an
asphalt,
but
concrete
and
kind
of
you
know
it's
basically
going
to
be
built
in
that
same
already.
Hard-Saped.
D
K
Know
I
did
consider
that,
but
I
don't
I
think
it
actually
is
is
consistent
with
the
rest
of
the
house.
If
you
look
at
the
front
part
of
the
house,
the
original
part
of
the
house,
it's
it's
a
lot
of
Windows
yeah.
It's
kind
of
got
that
that
more
blank
span
of
wall
too
so
I
that
wasn't
to
me
in
this
application,
something
that
necessarily
stood
out
like
it
might
normally.
But
yeah.
That's
usually
something
that
we
point
out,
but
I
didn't
this
time
based
on
just
comparing
the
two.
N
K
N
He
dug
into
it
and
decided
to
tear
it
all
down,
basically
that
kitchen
and
then
above
it
was
previous
owner's
studio,
so
there's
paint
everywhere
in
there.
So
anyways
that's
going
to
come
down
and
then
we're
going
to
come
back
in
with
New
Foundation,
which
should
help
kind
of
bolster
the
existing
foundation
of
the
house
and
then
I
think
on
the
application.
It
mentions
we're
going
to
come
back
in
with
two
new
HVAC
units
kind
of
in
that
corner
there,
where
the
ladders
are.
N
C
N
N
Oh
mechanical
engineer,
so
I
do
this
on
an
industrial
scale.
That's
right,
yeah
so
and
we
haven't
obviously
started
the
demo
process,
so
in
all
likelihood
this
wall
will
get
replaced
and
then
this
wall
is
on
the
south
side
will
probably
get
replaced,
depending
on
the
condition
and
I
can
pull
up
the
existing
footprint.
If
that
would
help
too,
this
is
the
new
plan.
Yeah.
G
L
H
N
C
C
C
D
K
C
J
C
C
A
I
K
I
mean
I'm.
Okay,
with
that,
if
you
are
all
are
because
you
know,
I
would
say
both
the
effort
that
we
just
right-
and
it's
not
like
tree
where
the
arborist
report
would
come
from
comfortable
with
people.
There's
only
a
couple:
people
who
do
restoration
with
no
restoration
here,
so
you
know
Source,
I,
guess
or
something
right,
accurate
in
their
assessment,
so
I'm
fine
with
that
I
mean
I,
feel
like
it
probably
makes
the
most
sense
just.
C
C
B
J
G
D
L
C
H
C
C
L
J
G
Madam
chair,
based
on
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
to
this
commission,
including
exhibit
a
application.
Three
pages
exhibit
B
plans
and
drawings,
12
Pages,
Exhibit,
C,
photographs
of
subject
properties,
six
pages
exhibit
D
mechanical
unit
specification,
16
Pages
exhibit
e
casement
window
specifications,
37
pages
exhibit
F
double
hung
window
specifications,
40
pages
exhibit
G
back
door,
specifications,
65,
Pages,
exhibit
age,
additional
photos
of
site,
four
pages
received
April
12
2023
and
the
commission's
actual
inspection
and
review
of
the
subject
property
by
all
members.
G
New
windows
on
Edition
would
be
Pella
Reserve,
traditional
wood,
six
over
one
sdl
double
hung.
A
new
Intrigue
door
will
be
Pella,
wood,
multi-light
with
wood
lights,
side
lights,
all
materials,
including
wood,
lap
and
Shake.
Siding
wood
trim
and
Roofing
will
match
existing
exterior
materials
on
house
replace
one.
G
A
J
G
And
replace
one
existing
six
over
one
double
hung
window
s
original
on
South
elevation
install
two
new
mechanical
units,
screened
with
shrubs
from
the
Montford
recommended
list
adjacent
to
the
South
elevation.
All
work
will
be
in
accordance
with
the
attached
and
approved
drawings
and
plans.
All
permits,
variances
or
approvals,
as
required
by
law,
must
be
obtained
before
work.
May
commence.
G
Did
we
talk
about
the
inspection
of
the
window?
Yeah?
Okay?
This
application
does
meet
the
of
that
too,
that
the
standards
for
additions
found
on
pages
88
through
89
and
Utilities
in
mechanical
systems.
On
pages
82
and
83
of
the
Montfort
historic
district
design
review
standards
adopted
on
April,
14,
2010
and
amended
December
9
2019
were
used
to
evaluate
this
request.
Three,
this
application
does
meet
the
design
standards
for
the
following
reasons.
Existing
portion
of
structure
to
be
demolished
is
on
the
rear
elevation.
G
New
addition
is
cited
as
inconspicuously
as
possible
on
the
rear
elevation,
where
historic
character,
defining
features
will
not
be
damaged,
destroyed
or
obscured.
Addition
is
insect
from
the
rear
building
quarters
so
as
to
be
differentiate
differentiated
from
the
existing
building
into
reduced
public
visibility.
Design
of
the
new
edition
is
compatible
compatible
with
the
existing
structure
and
height
massing.
G
And
pitch
e
size
and
scale
of
new
addition
is
limited
and
will
not
overpower
the
site
or
substantially
alter
the
site's
proportion
of
built
area
to
Green,
space,
f
windows
and
materials
will
match
the
existing
structure.
G
mechanical
units
will
be
located
on
a
side
elevation
and
will
be
screened
number
five,
that
the
actions
and
improvements
proposed
in
the
application
before
us
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
are
congress
with
the
special
historic
character
of
the
Montford
historic
district.
G
Based
upon
the
four
going
findings
and
for
the
reason
set
forth
are
in
I
move
that
a
certificate
of
a
program
is
be
issued
with
the
following
conditions:
one,
the
original
six
over
one
wood
window
replacement
approval
is
contingent
upon
applicants
submitting
a
conditions
assessment
by
a
historic
window.
Restoration,
specialist
documenting
that
window
cannot
be
repaired
and
must
be
replaced
or
style
for
staff
review
prior
to
replacement.
B
K
K
So
this
is
the
structure
that
we'll
be
talking
about.
For
this
project
excited
to
see
this
house
gets
a
renovation
project,
it's
a
really
cute
little
house
and
it's
kind
of
just
gotten
was
lost
in
a
Thicket
of
forest
back
there
for
a
while,
so
they've
cleaned
out
all
the
brush
from
the
site.
So
now
you
can
actually
see
it,
see
the
house,
so
I
there's
a
Sanborn
map
in
your
packet.
K
K
We
don't
know
when
this
current
configuration
was
constructed
and
it's
in
pretty
bad
shape,
so
they
are
proposing
to
replace
all
the
flooring
and
the
railing
all
the
structural
supports
and
the
roofing,
as
well
as
the
lattice
beneath
the
porch.
So
that's
one
thing:
that's
part
of
the
scope
of
work
and
then,
as
you
can
see,
there
were
two
sets
of
French
doors
that
were
added
at
some
point
where
there
were
original
window
openings
on
the
front
elevations,
and
so
those
are
going
to
be
restored
and
I'll
skip
ahead.
K
K
This
is
existing
and
proposed
front
elevation
on
the
top
and
then
existing
and
proposed
elevations
on
the
bottom
and
I
should
know
too
that
we're
talking
about
the
primary
structure
of
the
accessory
structure
and
some
sight
work
a
part
of
this
project.
So
the
other
main
thing
to
note
on
this
application
is
they
are
proposing
to
remove
several
win
or
a
couple
of
Windows
and
doors
from
the
rear,
elevation
and
construct
a
new
little
one-story
Edition,
that's
on
the
left,
just
replacing
the
rear
and
then
a
little
screen
porch.
K
That
would
be
within
like
the
L
between
the
house
and
the
new
edition.
It's
I
mean
I'm
sure
you
can
probably
see
it
if
you
zoom
in
on
the
plans,
but
there
is
a
requirement
that
additions
be
inset
from.
We
were
building
Corners.
There's,
there's
not
a
dimension
noted
in
the
standards,
though,
and
so
it's
pretty
close,
but
it
is
inside
so
just
smooth
it.
There.
K
K
The
changes
to
the
accessory
structure-
this
is
not
I,
don't
know
when
this
structure
was
built,
but
it's
there
was
an
accessory
structure
shown
on
the
Sanborn
map,
but
it
was
closer
to
the
to
the
street
and
it
was
one
story,
so
whatever
that
was
is
gone,
and
this
was
built
at
some
point.
After
that
it
they
are
proposing
to
replace
the
the
non-original
doors
on
this
structure.
K
K
C
K
K
I
could
be
wrong,
but
I
don't-
and
maybe
Avery
could
speak
to
this.
If
we've
looked
at
any
minor
work,
applications
for
snapstone
in
recent
past
I,
don't
know
that
I've
reviewed
any,
but
there's
a
photo
or
we
can
there's
a
photo
in
the
representative
site
feature
page.
If
it's
helpful
I
can
pull
that
up.
K
They've
already
somewhat
improved
the
the
gravel
walkway
from
that
up
to
the
house,
so
there
will
be
a
student
walkway
there
and
then
there
will
also
be
a
new
stone
too
many
things:
a
new
student
walkway
that
will
go
around
the
South
elevation
and
Connect
into
a
new
little
patio
stone
patio
area.
That's
proposed
back
there.
K
It
is
hard
to
see
if
you're
not
looking
at
the
edit
on
your
own
device,
so
the
area
that
I
was
just
describing
you
see
the
walkway
coming
in
and
then
there'll
be
a
new
patio
area
that
will
be
a
stone
patio
area
in
the
side
yard.
There
I
should
note
that
there's
some
existing
fencing
and
some
non-original
sheds
that
are
being
taken
off
the
site
and
then
they'll
they
want
to
install
some
new
fencing.
K
This
is
a
corner
lot,
because
it's
on
two
street
frontages,
so
I
did
make
sure
to
email
with
them.
Today
about
the
section
of
fence
they're
showing
on
the
plan
along
that
stone
wall
along
Hawthorne,
it
does
need
to
be
meet
the
standards
for
front
yard,
fencing
since
it's
on
a
corner
lot,
and
so
there
is,
they
did
submit
some
additional
info
to
me.
K
K
That
was
just
added
to
the
folder
I
just
didn't
have
time
to
add
it
to
my
slideshow,
and
we
can
look
at
that
in
a
minute
and
they
did
confirm
that
this
will
be
for
four
foot
tall
one
question
I
do
have
about.
That,
though,
is
that
they
sent.
Let
me
pull
up
the
section.
Drawing
and
I
know
the
landscape.
Architect
is
here
and
can
help
help
us
get
clear
on
this.
But
I
just
wanted
to
note
that.
K
I,
don't
really
have
any
concerns
about
wood
picket
fencing
at
this
particular
location,
it's
pretty
small
yard,
which
is
where
the
commission
has
tended
to
think
that
you
know
front
yard.
Fences
were
most
appropriate
in
the
past
versus
you
know
like
Montford
Avenue,
where
you've
got
these
kind
of
big,
deeper
Lots
I
think
it
also
fits
with
the
architectural
style
of
this
house.
Picket
fencing
so
essentially
they'll
be
fencing
along
that
Southern
Property
boundary.
K
K
Let
me
pull
up
the
other,
updated
plan,
probably
more
helpful,
so
you
can
see
where,
in
yellow
the
wood
privacy
fence
along
the
north
property
boundary,
will
then
in
beyond
Behind
the
front
building
corner
as
required
or
stipulated
by
the
design
standards.
So
just
to
know
that
there's
two
different
section,
sorry
there's
three
different
sections
of
there's:
the
four
foot
picket
fence
along
Hawthorne
and
in
the.
K
K
What
else
is
hopeful
and
to
note
to
you
on
the
site?
They
are
just
adding
Stone
around
the
existing
gravel
parking
area,
improving
I
think
the
circulation
between
the
two
structures
a
bit,
because
right
now,
it's
kind
of
just
hodgepodge
a
little
bit
and
so
I
think
those
were
all
the
moving
parts
to
this
application.
K
K
K
So
just
a
note
on
that
they
did
change
the
material
roofing
material
on
the
new
addition
to
match
the
asphalt
shingle.
So
it's
really
just
a
matter
of
and
also
the
front
porch
is
proposed
to
also
be
replaced
with
metal,
and
it
is
metal.
Now
we
did
I
did
confirm
with
the
architect
today.
The
original
spec
that
was
submitted
for
the
standing
seam
Roofing
didn't
meet
the
standards
that
are
set
forth
in
the
design
book,
which
are
specific
to
be
18
inch
panel
coverage
and
one
inch
ribs.
G
I
K
Just
need
to
be
rebuilt,
I.
Don't
it's
just
hard
to
know
what
they
really
looked
like
originally,
you
know
in
this
and
I
guess
you
know
I,
don't
necessarily
have
an
objection
to
snapstone.
It
just
looks
very
modular
in
a
way,
but
I
don't
know.
Okay,
you
know
again
I
kind
of
I,
don't
know
that
we've
looked
at
that
in
it
for
a
project
in
a
front
yard
before
I
could
be
wrong,
but.
G
K
K
B
K
Right
and
and
privacy,
fencing
is
allowed
to
go
into
a
side
yard.
It
just
has
to
terminate
at
least
a
foot
behind
the
front
building
plane,
which
we
usually
that's,
not
not
a
porch.
It's
the
front
building
plane
right.
So
it's
noted
on
there
to
be
one
foot
behind
the
facade.
So
but
no
that's
a
good
question
because
it's
definitely
some
detail.
We
don't
want
to
miss.
K
G
G
D
I
K
K
So
it's
kind
of
hard
to
see
because
it's
got
that
that
vinyl
fencing
around
that
one
side
of
it.
But
basically
yes,
they
are
that's
the
scope
of
work
for
the
elevation,
that's
in
the
picture
on
the
left
and
then
the
same
thing
with
the
elevation.
That's
on
the
right.
It's
got
the
same
kind
of
it's
got
a
pedestrian
door
with
that
same
aluminum
roofing
over
it,
you
can
kind
of
just
barely
see
the
aluminum
over
the
fence
on
the
left
side
of
the
fence.
K
K
G
K
G
K
J
K
K
J
C
D
C
N
N
J
N
The
first
question,
I
think,
was
the
stone
wall,
that's
behind
the
existing
accessory
structure
that
is
just
being
put
in
place
in
order
to
direct
drainage
right
now.
Soil
comes
right
at
like
basically
finished
floor
elevation,
so
that
stone
wall
is
less
than
18
inches
tall,
and
it's
just
there's
going
to
be
a
French
drain.
That
goes
along
the
back
side
of
the
building,
and
this
is
just
creating
a
positive
flow
situation
for
storm.
N
So
that's
the
wall
that's
being
proposed
there
and
then
the
the
other
question
I
think
was
regarding
the
the
Terrace
right
here.
The
primary
reasoning
behind
this
was
again
existing
storm
water
drainage.
The
corner
of
the
house
right
here,
soil
is
going
to
excuse
me
right
here.
Soil
is
going
directly
at
the
floor.
Elevation
and
we've
got
to
get
positive
flow
around
the
house.
So
in
order
to
do
that
and
also
create
a
what
we
think
is.
J
N
Nice
Terrace
here
this
wall
that
is
shown
is
at
its
highest
point.
Most
of
it
is
about
18
inches
tall
and
it
tapers
down
to
12
inches
and
again
we're
just
trying
to
minimize
site
disturbance,
minimize
determine
the
root
Zone
with
the
existing
hemlocks
that
are
nearby
and
then
getting
positive
storm
water
flow
around
the
house.
N
N
N
J
N
N
N
Correct
from
the
street
side,
you'll
just
see
the
picket
fence,
and
that
would
be
from
right
here:
you'd
see
a
forefoot
and
with
the
plant
if
you've
seen
the
landscape
plan
too.
There's
also
Rhododendron
and
flowering
shrubs
planned
on
this
side.
The
street
side
just
to
kind
of
soften
the
appearance
of
the
fence
from
the
street
and
give
it
a
little
bit
of
privacy
for
the
owner.
N
O
F
Hi
I'm
Sarah
Howell,
with
ledgerton
architecture,
so
I.
One
question
that
you
asked
will
is
about
the
railing
on
the
front
of
the
house.
We
are
going
to
try
for
the
30
inch
because
I
wasn't
when
I
think
when
our
first
meeting
I
wasn't
aware
that
it
could
be
that
it
was
possible
that
it
would
be
acceptable
based
on
the
historic
precedent,
so
I'm
we're
going
to
try
for
it.
F
F
It
shouldn't
be
okay,
if
I
mean
the
the
height
of
the
porch
is
less
than
30
inches,
so
we're
gonna,
so
it
will
be,
and
it's
in
keeping
with
the
style.
I
have
a
detail
on
the
set
that
shows
the
it's
in
keeping
with
the
style
and
then
to
answer
your
question.
Emily
on
the
rear
elevation,
the
those
two
windows
are
original.
F
Are
they
but
the
French
doors
are
not
so
all
of
the
windows
in
the
new
edition
are
the
exact
same
size
as
two
of
the
three
windows
that
are
being
either
removed
or
adjusted
on
the
relevation.
So
we
could
potentially
reuse
those
windows
if
I
can
pull
up
elevation
underneath
the
rear
and
I
have
3D
views
and
you're
in
your
set.
You
can
see
the
3D
images
as
well,
but.
F
Yeah,
oh
I,
see
okay
I'm,
just
using
the
arrow.
Sorry,
oh
gosh,
if
I
can't
go
sideways,
I
can
only
go
down.
Okay,
the
renderings
are
at
the
at
the
very
end
of
the
set
I
apologize.
This
is
a
good
spot
to
look
at.
So
you
know
this.
This
window
here
is
the
same
size
and
the
another
one
that
we're
that
we
are
removing.
F
So
my
thinking
is
that
these
two
could
be
used
in
the
addition,
the
third
window,
that
the
the
the
the
larger
window
that
we're
removing
is
probably
out
of
scale
with
the
addition,
because
the
size
of
that
primary
bedroom
is
not
it's.
It's
a
small
room
and
I
think
that
that
window
would
be
too
large.
But
let
me
just
show
you
in
the
demolition
elevation,
okay,
so
this.
So
this
is
a
larger
window
that
we're
removing
this.
F
M
B
G
L
F
C
C
G
F
F
G
N
Sarah
this
is
Stephen
Lee
Johnson
again.
The
steps
that
are
being
proposed
at
the
street
were
also
brought
up
and
I
wanted
to
make
sure
we
address
that,
so
the
snapstone
Crab
Orchard
is
being
proposed
for
a
couple
reasons.
One
the
Ashley
liked
the
idea
of
not
having
mortar
in
steps
and
just
keeping
it
really
natural.
Looking
snapzone
is
also
extremely
safe
because
you
can
snap
it
at
exactly
six
inches
and
it's
very
safe
way
to
do
a
Stairway.
So
it
is
Natural
Stone.
N
F
Was
your
was
your
issue
with
the
snapstone
that
you
don't
see
it
frequently
on
the
front
of
houses
in
Montfort,
because
I
have
seen
it
in
the
in
the
rear
of
houses
or
in
Lance?
Well,
in
my
own
personal
life,
I'm
at
9,
Pearson
I
was
here
a
year
ago
for
my
own
work
and
the
snapstone
passed
with
flankers.
F
C
K
F
F
Step
yeah
sorry
go
so
it'll
be
graded,
so
that
it's
the
at
the
at
the
corner
of
the
house
where
it's
now
buried.
We
actually
have
to
excavate
a
foot
and
a
half
and
then
so
we're,
but
then
we're
mitigating
that
grade.
That
transition
with
a
stone
Terrace
to
a
point
in
a
retaining
wall,
but
then
and
then
a
slope
but.
C
F
C
J
C
F
Honestly,
the
purpose
of
the
fence
is
because
the
owner
has
dogs
and
wants
to
keep
them
in
it's.
Not
even
it's
not
an
aesthetic
choice
to
try
to
conceal
the
wall
in
any
way
or
anything.
That's
happening.
It's
not
a
privacy
Choice.
It's
a
it's
a
functions.
It's
a
functional
choice.
So
if
it
had
to
go
I
mean
you
could
do
an
electric
fence.
I
mean
there's
other
options.
I
mean
it's
not
ideal,
but
I
mean
it's.
It's
a
it's
a
pragmatic
reason
that.
F
J
C
K
K
B
B
C
Kind
of
go
step
by
step
through
the
little
tweaks
so
that
we
are
clear
about
if
there's
interest
and
emotion
today
and
so
I
think
site-wise.
There
doesn't
really
feel
like
tweaks
that
we
haven't
that
aren't
reflected
in
the
documents
right:
okay,
so
building
wise
as
we
start
at
the
front,
The
Tweak
is
really
adjusting
the
size
of
those
front
windows
that
replaces
two
doors
so
that
they
have
a
better
historical
relationship
to
the
railing
height
at
the
bot
at
the
sill.
F
E
Of
the
two
windows
on
the
back
is
being
raised
in
place
just
to
be
able
to
fit
the
counter
under
it.
There's
two
windows
that
would
need
to
be
reused.
One
is
the
larger
one
which
we
discussed
might
be
difficult
to
do
on
the
front
of
the
house
or
cost
prohibitive
to
match
it
exactly.
The
other
is
the
smaller
one
and
we
can
absolutely
reuse.
J
A
C
K
C
K
D
There
we
go
maybe
somewhere
potentially
one
other
question
regarding
the
site
plan
for
the
very
front
of
of
the
lot.
There's
future
low
dry
stack,
Stonewall,
oh
right,
I
know
in
previous
products.
We've
had
discussion
about
putting
a
wall
where
there
isn't
a
wall.
I
feel
like.
We
should
just
probably
address
that
and
see.
If
anyone
has
concerns.
K
N
N
N
It's
a
vertical
cut
on
the
corner
and
it's
just
lack
of
funds,
I,
guess
yeah,
but
this
is
proposed
in
an
effort
just
to
stabilize
the
site
at
the
back
of
the
curb
right
and
the
decision
was
made
to
propose
this
so
that
it
does
unify
that
this
is
this
dry
stack
with
some
small
Stone
instead
of
reintroducing
it
a
whole
different,
Stone
and
pattern
right.
There.
F
J
F
I
wish
that
we
had
just
stepped
back
a
little
further
because
you
could
see
the
neighbor's
dry
stack,
stone
wall
and
it
looks
like
it
wants
to
continue
to
get
like
it
breaks
and
curves
for
the
driveway,
and
it's
not
there
on
the
other
side
and
so
I
think
that's
what
we're
trying
to
We're
just
trying
to
get
continuity.
Continuity
along
that
streetscape
with
the
same
wall.
K
So
go
back
to
what
you're
saying
chair
spring
I,
it
was
my
recollection
that
we
really
did
just
like
tidy
like
we
just
everyone
just
agreed
that
it
there
wasn't
an
issue
with
putting
walls
where
there
had
where
we
didn't
know.
If
their
wallet
existed.
There
historically
I
mean
that's
not
to
say
that
you
all
can
have
a
different
opinion,
given
the
situation.
C
H
C
C
C
G
C
Think
the
from
my
perspective,
if
the
intent
of
the
standard
is
to
require
the
setback
so
that
landscape
and
screening
can
be
provided
at
the
fence,
in
this
case
we're
going
to
we're
going
to
break
the
intent.
If
we
start
to
hold
that
forefoot
spacing
because
the
wall
is
working
in
Reverse
of
what
we
normally
see
where
from.
K
C
C
F
J
B
B
D
Chance
Madam
chair,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
to
this
commission,
including
exhibit
a
application
and
project
description.
Three
pages
exhibit
B
plans
and
drawings,
17
Pages,
Exhibit,
C
photographs
of
subject
property,
17
Pages
exhibit
D
manufacturer
specifications,
12
Pages
exhibit
e
Sanborn
fire.
Insurance
map
exhibit
F
revised
plans.
17
Pages
received
March
31st
2023
exhibit
G
mechanical
unit
specifications,
23
Pages
received
March
31st
2023
exhibit
H
rear
entry
door
specifications.
Four
pages
received,
April
12,
2023
exhibit
I
wall
example,
photos
10
pages
received
April
12
2023
exhibit
J
additional
site
documents.
K
J
D
So,
okay,
so
we
got
everything
and
the
commission's
actual
inspection
and
review
of
subject
property
that
all
members
accept.
I,
move
that
this
commission
approved
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
based
on
the
following
one,
that
the
application
is
to
a
primary
structure,
rebuild
existing
non-original
front
porch
and
same
footprint
with
new
wood
tongue
and
groove
flooring.
Railings
posts,
decorative
Rafters
and
trim
existing
metal
roofing
on
porch
will
be
replaced
with
new
standing
seam
metal
roofing
and
weathered
zinc.
D
Color
finished
floor
of
newly
constructed
porch
will
be
set
slightly
lower
than
the
current
configuration
to
prevent
future
water
damage.
New
Square
painted
wood
lattice
will
be
installed
to
beneath
porch,
replace
non-original
French
doors
on
front
elevation
with
new
wood,
Marvin
6ever
one
TDL
double
hung:
Windows,
replace
non-original
primary
entry
door
on
front
elevation
with
salvaged
three
light:
wood
door,
remove
two
existing
Windows
one
pair
of
non-french
Original
doors
and
concrete
and
wood
crawl
space
doors
for
rear
elevation
should
I
mention
now
that
that
Windows
series.
D
Cool
and
construct
new
one
story:
255
square
foot,
Edition
with
new
wood
Marvin
six
over
one
TDL
double
hung
windows
and
exterior
siding
and
roofing
materials.
Matching
existing
house
construct,
new
one-story,
200
square
foot,
screened
porch
with
wood
support
members
and
standing
seam
metal
roof
and
weathered
zinc.
Color
porch
will
have
a
wood,
Landing,
stair
and
railing
matching
front
porch.
One
existing
wood
window
being
removed
from
rear
elevation
will
be
reused
on
addition.
J
D
All
work
will
be
in
accordance
with
attached
and
approved
drawings
and
plans.
All
permits,
variances
and
or
approvals,
as
required
by
law,
must
be
obtained
before
work.
May
commence,
two,
the
standards
for
porches
entrances
and
balconies
found
on
pages
72-73
windows
and
doors
on
pages
84
to
85
additions
on
pages
88
to
89
roofs
on
pages
74
to
75,
Carriage,
Houses
garages
and
accessory
structures
on
pages
34-35,
landscaping
and
trees
on
pages
40
to
41,
walkways
driveways
and
off
street
parking
on
pages
50
to
51.
D
M
D
Application
does
meet
the
design
standards
for
the
following
reasons.
A
existing
front,
porch
is
not
original
to
the
structure.
Newly
constructed
porch
will
be
compatible
with
the
historic
character
of
the
building
in
height
proportion,
roof
shape,
metal
material,
texture,
scale,
detail
and
color
beat
new
porch
will
be
on
rear
elevation
and
compatible
with
the
existing
structure
in
terms
of
roof
form
scale,
details,
materials
and
color,
C
doors
and
windows
being
replaced
are
not
original
to
the
structures.
D
D
New
Edition
is
cited
inconspicuously
on
the
rear
elevation,
where
historic
character,
defining
features
will
not
be
damaged,
destroyed
or
obscured
e
addition
is
inset
from
the
rear
building
corners
and
is
designed
so
as
to
be
compatible
with
the
existing
building
and
height
massing,
roof
form
and
Pitch.
F
size
and
scale
of
New
Edition
is
limited
and
will
not
overpower
the
site
or
sustainability
sustain
substantially
alter
the
site's
proportion
of
built
area
to
Green,
space
g
windows
and
materials
will
match
the
existing
structure.
D
H,
non-original
roof
coverings
on
Accessory
structure
will
be
replaced
with
new
coverings
more
compatible
with
the
historic
character
of
the
structure.
I
new
walkways
and
paved
area
will
be
compatible
with
the
site
and
District
in
terms
of
Dimension
configuration
materials,
color
and
texture.
Jay,
new
fences
and
walls
are
designed
to
be
in
keeping
with
the
historic
character
of
the
neighborhood
and
architectural
style
of
the
house.
Okay,
new
fences
and
walls
are
cited
in
locations
that
are
compatible
with
the
traditional
relationship
of
fences
and
walls
to
Historic
properties
in
the
district.
I
I
D
C
J
C
D
Based
upon
the
foregoing
findings
and
for
the
reasons
set
forth,
they're
in
I
move
that
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
be
issued
with
the
following
conditions.
One
existing
original
window
being
removed
from
rear
elevation
will
be
retained
and
preserved
on
site
to
revised
elevation
drawings
will
be
submitted
to
staff
for
review
and
approval.
J
C
G
C
C
K
Right,
okay,
so
the
last
item
is
for
and
after
the
fact
request
for
some
also
walls
spend
some
more
time
talking
about
walls
today.
This
is
the
front
elevation
just
for
contacts.
The
address
is
246
Cumberland
Avenue.
This
is
right
at
the
intersection
where
it's
kind
of
funky,
it's
like
so
where
Soco
comes
into
Cumberland.
K
K
So
I
think
that
the
site
work
was
separate
from
the
Edition,
but
they
got
approval
to
construct
a
swimming
pool
in
the
rear
yard,
which
was
a
lot
of
a
roundabout
of
swimming
pools
philosophically
in
Montford
or
the
historic
appropriateness
of
them,
and
then
also
this
initially
started
out
as
being
very
ornately
designed
kind
of
pool
complex.
If
you
will
so,
they
definitely
toned
it
down.
So
still
to
me,
when
I
go
visit,
it
seems
like
it's
definitely
one
of
the
most
built
out
spaces
I've
seen
in
in
the
landscape
and
Watford.
K
But
in
any
case,
as
part
of
that
approval
for
the
pool
they
had
to
do
fencing
around
the
pool
for
building
code.
And
so
they
got
approval
to
build
some
low,
brick
walls
around
the
pool
itself.
And
then
there
was
also
approval
to
build
the
fence,
which
was
a
metal
picket
fence.
That
was
five
feet
tall.
K
The
property
changed
hands
and
then
the
fencing
was
removed
and
replaced
with
brick,
brick
walls
not
retaining
walls
I'm
not
retaining
while
they're
just
freestanding
walls,
so
on
the
on
the
left
kind
of
hard
to
see
unless
you
zoom
in
on
the
plans
in
your
packet.
But
you
can
see
underneath
where
the
red
dots
are.
That's
all
was
previously
approved
as
metal,
picket
fence
and
then
went
all
the
way
around
the
north
side
of
the
pool.
K
And
so
this
is
the
this
is
the
I
think
I
got
pulled
this
off.
The
Zillow
listing
on
the
left
is
what
it
looked
like
before
when
the
fence
was
there,
and
this
is
looking
the
other
direction
on
the
top
right
of
the
walls
that
were
constructed
immediately
around
the
pool
deck
and
then
down
on
the
bottom
right
is
the
actually
the
paper
material
that
was
approved
for
the
pool
decking.
K
So
it
was
constructed
so
the
previous
owner
that
got
approval
for
all
of
this
constructed
the
pool
decking
with
a
different
material
than
what
was
approved
and
then
fast
forward
to
the
current
owner,
replaced
the
fencing
without
getting
approval
with
brick
wall.
So
those
are
the
two
pieces
that
we
need
to
talk
through
today.
K
K
Let
Derek
speak
to
you
about
about
that,
but
I'm
just
struggling
with
this
one,
a
little
bit
I,
don't
know
how
compatible
the
walls
are
really
and
the
fencing
definitely
creates
less
of
a
visual
barrier
within
the
landscape
than
walls
surrounding
the
pool.
On
the
flip
side,
the
walls
do
make
the
pool
less
visible,
probably
from
the
from
the
neighboring
properties
and
the
fencing.
Did
it
also
the
you
know
it's
now:
all
of
the
Landscaping
has
matured
around
it
enough
to
where
it
really.
G
K
C
L
L
To
answer
your
immediate
question
that
back
wall
about
half
of
it's
taken
up
by
the
existing
and
previously
approved
metal
gate,
and
that's
the
highest
point
of
that
back
part,
and
so
that
takes
up
about
half
of
it
on
either
side
is
brick
wall.
There
is
some
retaining
function
as
part
of
the
wall.
The
property
that
is
closer
to
the
Nine
Mile
section
is
is
much
higher
and
that's
really
the
only
property
that
can
see
this
back
pool
area.
You
can't
see
the
back
the
back
pool
area
from
the
roadway.
L
You
can't
see
it
from
the
other
adjoining
property
because
it
sits
down
in
a
bowl
and
so
on.
Either
side
everything
kind
of
sits
down
in
terms
of
the
pool
and
the
pavers
and
what
was
approved
before
Chris
purchased
it
and
he
purchased
those
issues
and
they
were
like
that
and
when
he
came
in
really
the
only
thing
that
changed
is
he's
taken:
a
kind
of
cheap,
looking
aluminum
black
fence
that
when
bears
come
over,
they
crush
it.
L
If
you
live
in
Montford,
do
you
understand
the
fences
get
crushed
if
they're
not
made
a
certain
way,
I've
got
a
Montford
fence
and
so
I
replace
it.
You
know
probably
twice
a
year
where
they
come
in
and
come
back
out,
but
they
replaced
the
cheap,
looking
aluminum
fence
that
had
been
approved
with
a
brick
wall
fence
that
goes
around
that
matches
the
house.
It
matches
the
pavers.
It
matches
the
existing
low,
retaining
walls.
It's
the
exact
same
brick,
materials,
the
exact
same
architecture,
it's
even
the
same
width.
L
J
J
D
C
J
C
G
L
G
L
L
This
is
one
that's
right
behind
my
house
on
Chestnut,
and
this
is
just
to
show
that
the
placement
of
the
corner
of
chestnut
and
Cumberland,
to
show
walls
that
are
not
automatically
approved
that
were
to
have
either
had
to
come
here
to
get
approved
or,
were
you
know,
built
without
approvals?
That's
the
other
side
of
that
same
intersection
at
Chestnut
and
Cumberland-
that's
been
around
forever.
L
L
J
L
It
matches
that
wall
that
runs
up
towards
towards
tall
John's,
but
it's
it's
a
lot,
and
the
important
here
for
for
us,
I,
think,
is
if
we
could
go
back
in
time.
We've
talked
about
this,
he
would
have
applied
before
he
did
it,
and
the
rationale
would
be.
The
only
reason
this
black
aluminum
fence
was
put
in
was
because
of
cost
if
they
would
have
had
the
cost
in
the
budget
to
do
it.
They
would
have
put
in
this
brick
wall
because
it
simply
looks
a
whole
lot
better.
C
L
K
C
K
G
J
O
G
C
C
A
wall
doesn't
do
that
way.
Now,
if
I
remember
and
I'm
a
little
bit
like
you
have
six
years
of
applications,
they
all
serve
them
together.
After
a
while
there's
some
memorable
moments,
but
some
of
what
helped
the
commission
wrestle
with
whether
or
not
a
swimming
pool
should
be
in
Montford
in
the
first
place,
was
the
low
sort
of
visual
access
from
the
public
to
this
particular
lot
in
the
first
place,
and
that
was
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
that
Commission
sort
of
helped
them
feel
okay
about
a
pool
yeah.
L
G
L
Well
and
and
I've
gone
through
and
done
that
exercise
you
know
using
the
guidelines
or
fences
and
walls
at
page,
37
and
I
think
it
matches
up
very
nicely
in
terms
of
being
able
to
look
at
it
on
as
a
standalone
project
so
that,
as
as
other
ones
come
on,
you
don't
have
that
feeling
of.
Oh,
we
granted
this
over
on
on
Cumberland.
We
should
Grant
it
for
the
next.
One.
L
I
think
that
you're
able
to
distinguish
based
off
of
of
these
facts
and
part
of
it
is
tied
back
to
the
fact
that
the
pool
is
already
approved.
The
pool
is
already
approved.
The
deck
was
already
approved,
the
decking
materials
I'm,
not
sure
how
much
that
matters
I
I
do
get
that,
certainly,
but
we
in
hair
to
that
piece
of
it.
So
it's
not.
L
You
know
that's
what
we're
inherited,
but
if
you
look
at
the
first
one
on
page
37
retain
and
preserve
historic
fences
and
walls
that
contribute
to
the
overall
historic
character
of
a
building
or
site
when
we're
not
replacing
any
historic
fence
or
wall.
It's
a
previously
existing
fence
that
was
approved
and
they've
replaced
that
with
materials
that
match
the
house
match
the
architecture
and
we
do
have
precedence
inside
Montford
in
terms
of
the
style
and
materials
number
two
and
number
three
are
in
that
same
piece
of
retaining
and
replacing.
L
So
you
know
that's
kind
of
that.
First
standard
number,
four
sight,
new
fences
or
walls
and
locations
that
are
compatible.
It
says
talk
about
the
location
with
traditional
historic
relationship,
offenses
and
walls
to
Historic
properties
in
the
district.
This
wall
is
in
the
exact
same
location
as
the
fencing
it's
exact
same
height
as
the
fencing
that
was
approved
with
the
previous
certificate
of
appropriateness,
acceptable
materials
for
all
fences
include
and
goes
through
these
pieces.
One
of
those
is
Brick.
L
The
project
wall
is
Brick
and
matches
the
brick
exterior
of
the
residence,
and
it's
very
apparent
that's
one
of
the
things
that
Alex
talked
about
when
you're
standing
on
that
pool
deck.
You
see
that
this
brick
is
the
exact
same,
as
is
what's
on
that
Foundation
of
of
the
home
number
six
is
about
wire
fencing
so
that
one's
not
applicable,
fences
and
front
yards
or
side
yards
of
a
corner
lot
should
not
exceed
four
feet.
L
This
one's
in
the
rear
yard-
and
everyone
agrees
you
can't
you
can't
even
see
it
when
folks
were
curious
about
this
project.
Chris
was
talking
about
people
would
walk
up
your
driveway
because
that's
what
people
tend
to
do
in
Montford
when
you
see
that
that
little
sign
we
all
see-
and
they
were
surprised
that
there's
a
pool
back
there-
that's
how
screened
it
is
from
from
the
road
number
eight
is
dealing
with
Corner
Lots,
it's
not
a
corner
lot.
Fences
in
the
front
yard
should
not
be
allowed.
L
L
It's
stepped
to
the
existing
existing
grade.
The
highest
part
of
it
is
at
five
feet
and
actually
the
highest
part
is
where
that
bow
is
on
the
on
that
metal
fence.
On
the
back
with
the
gate
that
was
already
there
and
approved
number
11,
there's
a
chain
link,
fencing,
not
applicable
number
12
design,
new
fences
and
walls
and
keeping
with
the
historic
character
of
the
neighborhood
and
architectural
style
of
the
house.
L
There's,
definitely
brick
walls
and
and
to
be
clear
I
did
that
walk
in
literally
30
minutes
to
walk
around
one
block,
I
didn't
go
down
any
other
streets
and
other
other
brick
houses
in
the
brick
houses
almost
all
have
those
brick
retaining
walls,
so
the
materials,
certainly
there
I
will
readily
acknowledge
that
brick
is
a
unique
and
somewhat
rare
material
used
in
Montford
every
time.
I
say:
Brick
House,
oh
there's
a
brick
house,
so
it's
it's
rare,
but
it
does
exist
and
it
matches
perfectly
the
the
foundation
of
this.
I
I
was
just
going
to
Commission
because
we've
had
after
the
facts
before
I,
don't
know
how
much
information
is
in
your
packets
about
the
prior
approval,
but
I
recall
this
application
and
it
wasn't
about
so
as
much
about
material
like
the
fence
versus
a
wall
which
are
distinguishable.
You
can't
just
replace
a
fence
with
a
wall,
but
it
was
about.
As
Alex
said,
the
built
environment.
It
was
a
much
more
focused
on
landscape
features.
I
I
think
we
even
came
down
to
talking
about
swimming
pools,
which
aren't
mentioned
as
a
landscape
feature
and
looking
at
some
historic
pools
that
were
at
historic
houses.
I,
don't
even
think
there
was
one
in
Montford,
but
some
I
think
the
either
the
architect
at
the
time
came
over
with
a
a
swimming
hole.
It
wasn't
a
structured
pool,
so
the
majority
of
conversation
was
about
how
structural,
what
was
happening
in
that
backyard
was
and
I
just
you
know
so.
I
I
hear
what
you're
saying
about
those
standards
there's
some
other
standards
that
I
think
might
be
considered
and
what
we?
What
you're
always
tasked
with
is
what,
if
this
came
forward-
and
there
wasn't
something
there
and
and
this
brick
wall
was
around
the
swimming
pool,
it
would
be
a
factor
in
what
you're
discuss.
You
know
what
you're
considering
would.
I
Or
what
would
your
questions
have
been
about
a
brick
wall
around
the
swimming
pool
and
it
might
go
to
your
questions
about
how
landscaped
is
that
on
the
outside?
So
you
don't
see
it
whether
it
fits
in.
Certainly
the
the
size
of
that
site
was
always
unique.
I
just
wanted
to
remind
especially
new
Commissioners
who,
who.
I
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I,
don't
know,
but
I'll
be
happy
to
to
do
those
steps
and
and
and
make
the
the
the
walk
around
the
find.
The
thing
that
I
did
with
the
two
sets
of
pictures
was
one
to
to
look
at
the
materials,
because
I
think
materials
are
one
thing
and
stone
and
brick
wall
walls
that
aren't
a
Montford
fence.
I'm,
not
gonna,
put
them
on
for
fence.
You
know
my
Frontier
all
the
time
like
we
know
that
you
know
so.
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I
was
looking
for
something
that
was
different
than
something
I
knew
was
already
approved,
and
that's
why
I
had
those
pictures,
those
of
those
stone
walls
and
then
the
the
pictures
of
the
brick
retaining
walls
are
primary
actually
I
know.
There's
a
brick
wall
That's,
not
retaining
wall.
It's
on
the
corner
right
across
from
tall
John's,
the
rest
of
that
wall.
Does
it
across
some
tall
John's
at
the
corner
of
Montford
and
Chestnut
down
by
the
garage
is
retaining
out
in
the
front:
it's
not
a
retaining
wall,
and
it's
because
the
house
is
Brick.
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Ones,
yeah
that
hides
driven
strictly
by
the
insurance
piece,
and
that's
why
the
height
of
that
black
aluminum
fence
was
what
it
was
because
the
insurance
is
going
to
require
it.
The
mitigating
piece
on
that
height
is
when
you're
in
the
backyard
of
your
neighboring
property
you're,
looking
you're
looking
down
on
that.
It's
it's
below
grade
to
you,
so
it
doesn't
feel
as
tall.
It
only
feels
that
tall
when
you're
on
the
pool
deck.
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K
You
create
or
stone
that's
just
the
product.
Those
are
just
the
predominant
features
in
my
third.
But
that's
not
to
say
they're,
aren't
brick
I,
think
I.
Think
part
of
it
is
determining
whether
it's
contextual
to
the
site
and
what's
already
been
built
and
also
I,
think
to
go
back
to
the
Landscaping
I
mean
to
me.
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Spend
your
money,
but
I
was
one
of
the
Commissioners
that
was
here
when,
when
this
initial
proposal
happened
and
I,
remember
us
making
the
point
that
we
wanted
to
keep
that
backspace
as
like
natural
as
possible
and
I.
Remember
as
like
saying
you
know,
we
need
to
screen
the
fence.
Well,
so
it's
a
more
natural
soft
appearance,
so
one
one
way
to
look
at
it
is
that,
like
we
were
trying
to
hide
the
fence
with
Greenery
and.
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There's
plenty
of
points
that
are
that
what's
been
done,
meets
that
bullet
point
list
of
12
things
for
their
applicable
records,
allowed
and
I.
Think
the
I
I
lose
around
there
in
my
own
thinking,
because
I,
don't
I
think
that
the
heavily
structured
feel
of
the
backyard
is
incongruous
yeah,
because
it's
incongruous
with
the.
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But
it's
it's
a
it's
a
big
departure
from
what
the
historic
landscape
would
have
been
and
is
still
in
many
places
in
Montfort,
and
that
the
places
where
these
really
big
structural
things
like
stone
walls
exist
are
normally
not
four
feet
or
they're,
retaining
a
small
amount
of
dirt
in
the
front
yard
or
in
a
side
yard
or
next
to
a
driveway
or
whatever,
and
that
they're
not
very
often
the
thing.
That's
creating
this
massive
visual.
Now,
just
as
a
in
general
congruity
now.
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That
whole
thing:
yes,
the
the
photos
that
you
see
or
were
from
several
years
ago,
that
you
can
see
that
that
Landscaping
there
and
I
appreciate
you
saying
that
about
the
Landscaping
coming
in
and
making
that
solver,
because
she
made
those
remarks
as
we're
standing
on
the
interior
and
you're
looking
out.
And
you
can
see
the
the
Landscaping
starting
to
Blossom
in
the
spring
to
to
obscure
the
wall
even
from
the
inside,
but
certainly
on
the
outside
and
again
I'm.
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Mean
I
think
it
would
be
worthwhile
on
a
continued
meeting
after
a
site
visit
to
see
some
proposed
Landscaping
plans
to
consider
at
that
time
as
to
not
delay
unless
you're
comfortable
approving
those
of
a
staff
level.
After
the
fact,
with
as
a
condition
to
a
major
work.
I'm
thinking.
If
I'm
thinking
ahead,
I
think
it
would
be.
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Of
a
housekeeping
item,
it's
a
amendment
to
your
rules
of
procedure
and
it
came
up
when
Ron
Snead
was
representing
you
all
during
that
sidewalk
project,
and
he
asked
us
about
the
language
and
your
rules
of
procedure
around
Quorum
and
maybe
a
slight
difference
between
them
and
the
state
statute.
And
so
that's
just
been
kind
of
edited
to
be
more
clearly.
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It's
big
and
also
I,
don't
know
that
we
know
anybody
that
has
like
a
hyper
local
connection
to
that
project
other
than
Justified
one.
It's
interesting,
yeah
I
know
that
Annie
at
our
last
meeting
put
forth
Dale,
slusser's,
name
and
I
know.
We'll
probably
will
you
know
Dale?
Well,
don't
you
and
I
I've
met
Dale,
but
I
don't
know
him
all,
but
he
is
definitely
a
there's.
No
question
in
my
mind
that
any
would
be
a
great
candidate
he's
a
historian
and
has
greatly
contributed
to
certainly
storytelling
architectural
history
documentation
in
our
community.
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4
30.:
what
is
this
National
Alliance
and
preservation?
Commission
training
we've
been
working
on.
We've
got
a
grant
to
certified
local
government
grant
to
host
this
training
and
the
napc.
They
are
great
at
facilitating
these
trainings.
It's
like
a
pretty
intensive
training
session,
so
I
think
we're
covering
preservation,
law,
design,
guidelines
and
they'll
be
an
exercise
for
applying
design
guidelines.
Education,
Outreach
with
the
equity
Focus.