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From YouTube: Design Review Committee
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April 21, 2022
A
Good
afternoon
I'm
robin
raines,
and
I
would
like
to
welcome
you
to
the
april
23rd
2022
design,
review
committee
meeting.
This
is
a
nine-person
committee
whose
primary
function
is
to
perform
design
review
for
projects
located
in
one
of
the
city's
three
designated
design
review
areas
downtown
the
riverfront
and
the
new
hotel
overlay
zoning
district.
A
This
is
a
mandatory
review,
voluntary
compliance
process,
with
one
exception
for
hotels
seeking
to
skip
council
review
hotels.
Taking
advantage
of
this
incentive
must
receive
a
positive
recommendation
from
the
committee.
All
committee
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually.
We
appreciate
your
patience
as
we
work
through
committee
meetings
a
bit
differently.
We
are
streaming
on
our
live.
We
are
streaming
live
on
our
virtual
engagement
hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city
website,
and
also
linked
on
the
committee
page.
A
A
B
C
A
Ricardo,
I
saw
him-
I
know
he's
here
and
I
am
robin
reigns
to
help
our
audience.
Follow
along
I'll
state,
each
section
of
the
agenda
aloud
and
do
a
vocal
roll
call
for
each
vote.
If
there's
a
vote
to
be
taken.
Additionally,
I
ask
that
committee
members
raise
their
hand
to
speak
and
I
will
call
upon
them.
We
will
begin
with
our
administrative
items
and
any
unfinished
business.
The
only
thing
we
have
under
administrative
is
the
approval
of
the
minutes
from
march
17.
2022.
A
A
B
F
A
G
My
understanding
is
that
we
have
a
quorum
for
this
meeting,
so
we
can
proceed
and
then
any
members
that
need
to
recuse
themselves
from
an
item
will
just
be
subtracted
from
the
denominator
of
the
vote
so
like.
If
we
have
eight
now
but
two
have
to
or
even
three
or
four
had
to
recuse
themselves,
it
wouldn't
affect
the
quorum.
It
would
just
be
a
majority
vote
based
some
remaining
members.
G
It's
located
here,
as
you
can
see,
on
the
aerial
image
between
to
the
bottom
image,
is
north
at
the
top,
so
governor's
view
road
at
the
top
on
the
north
side
of
the
site
and
then
swan
on
a
river
road
on
the
south
at
the
site.
Next
to
the
existing
aldi
across
from
spanish
river,
where
bleachery
boulevard
crosses
the
top
image,
shows
the
view
looking
the
opposite
direction
to
the
south.
So
you
can
see
governors
you
wrote
in
the
foreground.
G
G
G
You
can
see
the
l-shaped
double-loaded
style,
building
four
stories,
70
units,
72
000,
total
square
feet
I'll
just
point
out.
Some
other
features
around
the
site.
Landscaping
is
pretty
much
to
code,
includes
things
like
street
trees,
buffer
screening
building
impact
screening
parking
lot
screening,
the
dumpster
is
located
off
to
the
west
of
the
site.
G
There's
an
area
that's
proposed
to
be
like
a
raised
garden
bed
for
a
community
garden
and
then
also
the
the
sidewalks
that
connect
down
through
the
site
and
also
connect
via
a
ada
accessible
ramp,
leading
down
behind
the
site
down
to
swannano
river
road,
and
this
would
be
a
new
sidewalk
segment
that
would
connect
to
an
existing
bus.
Stop
that's
being
proposed
to
be
relocated
about
200
feet
to
the
west
and
improved
with
a
bus,
shelter.
G
So
now
here
is
the
north
elevation
at
the
bottom,
which
faces
the
the
parking
line
is
the
main
entrance
with
this
pedestrian
awning
a
sign
proposed
over
the
awning
and
then
a
view
of
the
east
elevation
just
highlight
some
of
the
materials
youth.
Currently,
the
proposal
is
that
the
primary
facade
will
be
vinyl,
horizontal
siding
and
vinyl
board
and
batten
vertical
siding,
as
well
as
cement
board
accent,
panels
and
thin
stone
veneer.
G
G
They
are
seeking
low
income,
housing
tax
credits
and,
just
due
to
the
fluctuating
prices
of
materials,
currently
help
keep
the
overall
cost
of
the
project
down
they're
proposing
vinyl,
but
they
will
be
seeking
bids
for
fiber
cement
style
materials
instead
and
we'll
be
comparing
that
cost.
And
if
it's
in
the
budget,
they
will
prefer
to
do
that.
Also
as
a
long-term
maintenance
consideration,
they
would
prefer
that
as
well.
G
As
far
as
other
project
amenities
go,
there
have
been
no
details
provided
on
lighting
at
this
point
and
that
can
be
a
permanent
process
later
once
the
project
goes
through.
All
its
approval
phases
noted
that
the
dumpster
area
is
located
to
the
side
of
the
site
and
we'll
be
screened
from
view
finding
closure,
and
the
only
signage
proposed
at
this
point
is
just
the
letter
sign
name
of
the
building
above
the
pedestrian
canopy.
G
G
At
its
last
meeting
on
march
17th
overall,
the
committee
noted
a
few
comments
which
the
project
responded
to
in
this
formal
middle,
which
includes
the
massing
of
the
bays
and
the
stair
tower
and
the
roof
and
how
to
create
rhythm
without
being
repetitive
in
the
design.
So
this
new
design
was
responding
to
that
comment.
G
G
G
G
D
G
G
D
One
one
more
question:
before
we
get
into
the
major
discussion
on
the
bottom
left
of
the
image
on
screen
there:
that's
the
the
view
that
they
showed
us
or
one
of
the
two
views
they
showed
us
from
swannanoa
river
road.
Do
they
have
one
kind
of
rotated
around
back
towards
the
audi's
back
towards
that
lot?
So
I
can
see
what
that
that
corner.
That
is,
that
is
the
big
thing
you're
going
to
see
on
swananoa
river
road,
and
I
want
to
see
what
that
corner
looks
like
am
I
making
any
sense.
D
H
F
D
G
E
I
C
I
J
I
D
D
You
know
and
and
pull
the
amenities
and
everything
up
to
swannano
river
road,
so
this
is
the,
but
in
my
way
of
thinking
this
is
the
primary
corridor,
and
this
is
the
primary
elevation
and
this
building
is
kind
of
at
least
the
the
piece
that's
it
you've
got
on
screen
right
now
looks
like
it's
kind
of
turned
its
back
on
on
the
primary
elevation.
There's
not
a
lot
of
you've
got
more
articulation
on
the
side
facing
your
your
parking
lot.
D
You've
got
articulation
in
the
courtyard,
but
then
this
piece
is
not
as
articulated,
and
so
I'm
wondering,
if
that's
a
artifact
of
me,
looking
at
elevations
or
me
looking
at
this
piece
and
if
I
swung
around
like
it,
looks
a
lot
better
in
the
courtyard
view
that
you've
got
one
up
from
that,
and
I'm
wondering
there's
a
little
piece
that
kind
of
comes
off
to
the
side
of
that.
If
I'm
reading
the
elevation,
I
get
my
rear
azimuth
behind
me,
the
the
the
east
side.
D
I
The
part
of
the
the
two
bedroom
units
that
has
the
higher
sort
of
belt
of
stone
is
on
the
other
side
as
well,
and
then
there's
a
change
in
plane
back.
That
then
also
has
the
same
sort
of
vertical
rhythm
element
on
it,
so
that
you
know
that
is
repeated
along
the
other
side.
I
think
that
image
is
just
sort
of
more
dead
flat
on
that
that
south
side
of
that
massing,
so
I
mean
we.
We
do
have
that
along
the
corner.
I
I
D
That
would
be
my
first
suggestion
and
then
the
second
one
would
be
do
a
little
bit
more
on
this
piece
of
the
l,
that's
coming
out
towards
swannano
river
road
and
and
how
it's
articulated
and
then
how
it
and
how
maybe
it's
just
fenestration.
Maybe
it's
materials,
I'm
not
sure,
but
that
piece
just
looks
a
little
bit
less
developed
than
then
I'm
looking
around
the
elevations
of
the
rest
of
the
building.
B
I
I
After
that
meeting,
I
was
able
to
meet
with
sasha
and
will
and
talk
through
some
of
the
comments
received
and
sort
of
understand
this
process
a
little
more
and
as
well
said.
We
also
met
with
the
riverfront
commission
and
appreciated
the
opportunity
to
hear
their
comments
on
the
same
package
that
you're
looking
at
so
so
at
the
the
informal
review.
You
know
we
had
a
lot
of
discussion
about
materials.
I
This
would
be
our
base,
and
this
is
our
our
preferred
option
and
so
certainly
happy
to
talk
about
that
further.
But
you
know
we.
We
also
heard
comments
on
the
the
roofline
and
the
massing
of
the
building,
where
we
had
this
sort
of
l-shaped
footprint
that
was
sort
of
symmetrical,
but
not
really
differentiated.
I
So
within
the
overall
massing,
we
were
able
to
adjust
the
plan
and
sort
of
shift
some
of
the
unit
locations,
so
we
maintained
our
our
unit
count
and
unit
types,
it's
still
primarily
one
bedrooms,
but
also
a
mix
of
two
bedrooms,
but
we
were
able
to
to
reconfigure
them
in
a
way.
That's
essentially
not
trying
so
hard
to
be
symmetrical,
but
trying
to
create
a
rhythm
across
the
facade.
I
One
of
the
other
comments
that
we
heard
was
you
know
the
previous
version.
The
entry
was
not
really
differentiated
that
it
should
read
stronger.
I
guess
in
elevation
and
should
have
a
more
greater
prominence
along
the
elevation
and
so
in
reworking
the
massing.
You
can
see
the
sort
of
higher
gable
and
the
kind
of
double
vertical
mass,
along
with
the
stone
accent
that
we've
added
there
and
then
still
sort
of
maintaining
this
idea
of.
I
You
know
we
did
sort
of
look
at
the
the
heights
of
the
stone
and
sort
of
where
those
accents
were
part
of
our
you
know.
Design
requirements
is
a
sort
of
continuous
base
of
a
masonry
material
which,
as
we
discussed
last
time,
we're
proposing
this
thin
stone
veneer
in
lieu
of
brick,
because
we
feel
that
it's
more
appropriate
for
the
the
site
in
context.
Some
of
the
other
comments
that
we
heard
last
time
were
questions
about.
I
You
know
we
did
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
the
the
parking
location
and
the
the
building
orientation.
How
we
arrived
here-
and
you
know
our
our
preference
to
have
the
sort
of
active
spaces
of
the
site
along
swannanoa
river.
What
we
have
you
know
some
some
sort
of
walking
trail
sidewalks,
fully
accessible,
that
sort
of
wrap
the
site
their
outdoor
spaces.
I
Like
a
gazebo,
we
do
have
the
community
garden,
which
you
can
see
in
the
foreground
here
which
are
raised
beds
in
a
small
sort
of
sort
of
picnic,
shelter,
and
so
you
know
this
area
sort
of
landscaping
around
it.
Some
of
the
pathways
have
all
been.
You
know
further
refined
to
kind
of
define
that
a
little
bit
more
worked
with
mary
to
sort
of
articulate
the
landscaping
a
little
bit
better
to
give
a
feel
for
for
what
that
would
be
along
the
road.
And
then
you
know.
I
We
also
heard
some
questions
about
the
experience
along
swannanoa
as
we
are
elevating
the
site
due
to
floodplain
considerations,
and
we
had
talked
about
the
the
southeast
corner
and
just
you
know
the
desire,
for
you
know
we're
shifting
the
what
is
currently
just
a
bus.
Stop
just
a
sign,
no
shelter,
we're
shifting
it
to
the
west
to
move
it
out
of
the
flood
plain
the
fema
designated
flood
plain.
So
we
do
still
have
a
sidewalk.
A
F
Yes,
we're
in
a
just
a
separate
office,
then
we
work
with
aaron.
We
just
wanted
to
let
you
know
that
initially
at
one
of
the
first
meetings,
I
believe
it
was
transportation
had
directed
us
to
not
have
the
access
off
of
savannah
river
road,
and
I
think
also
because
of
the
the
flood
plain
where
nothing
could
be
built
there.
F
L
I
You
know
at
this
time
what
we're
anticipating
is
something
that
would
be
a
sort
of
segmented
block
wall,
that's
similar
to
what's
at
the
the
aldi,
that's
adjacent
immediately
and
there's
a
photo
of
that
on
maybe
the
first
page.
I
think,
but
yeah
I
mean
I
I
know
it's
I
think
nine
feet
at
the
highest.
I
Is
I
don't
know
if
it's
it's
quite
that
I
thought
it
was
closer
to
five
to
six,
but
I'd
have
to
to
sort
of
double
check
the
grades,
and
but
that's
that's
what
we're
intending-
and
you
know
a
lot
of
this
right
now-
we're
at
a
pretty
early
kind
of
schematic
design
level.
Frankly,
so
there
are
a
lot
of
details
that
we
haven't
worked
out
and
material
selections
haven't
been
made
because
a
lot
of
our
actual
design
work,
I
know.
I
Typically,
projects
that
are
coming
up
for
review
are
at
a
sort
of
mid
design.
Development
phase
were
certainly
much
earlier
than
that,
because
we
we
have
to
have
zoning
in
place
before
we
can
even
apply
for
funding.
So
once
we
sort
of
get
that
stuff
there's
a
whole
other.
You
know
series
of
construction
document
development
phases
that
we'll
have
to
do
to
get
there
so.
L
Well,
I
I
guess
my
only
comment
would
be
that
in
those
areas
where
it
is
taller
than
others,
if
thinking
about
the
landscaping,
I
know
mary
will
do
that,
just
where
we
can.
You
know
help
to
mitigate
that
that
large,
that
tall
face
of
the
wall
with
plants
could
be
would
be
nice,
and
then
you
know
with
the
renderings
they're
really
helpful,
but
they're
also,
you
know
a
little
misleading,
just
like
from
the
landscape
point
of
view.
Just
like
you
know
I
see,
maybe
you
could
scroll
up
or
yeah
just
that
entry.
L
I
see
you
know
lots
of
plants
filling
those
those
tree
islands,
but
on
the
landscape
plan
landscape
compliance
plan
like
that's,
not
really
accurate.
So
just
just
wanting
to
make
sure
that
you
know
we
can
all
read
plans
from
you
know
the
designers
from
our
experience,
but
the
public
and
other
people
they're
really
going
to
be
relying
on
these
renderings,
so
just
making
sure
that
you
know
that
they
they
match
what
what
the
plans
show
would
be
really
helpful.
I
Yeah,
I
think,
yeah,
that's
that's
a
good
point.
We
we
tend
to
do
these,
I
mean
even
the
trees.
You
know
day
one.
These
are
certainly
more
than
more
mature
trees
that
are
gonna,
be
you
know,
installed
so
yeah.
We
do
tend
to
show
it
as
though
it's
sort
of
grown
out,
so
apologies
for
any
confusion
in
that
and
mary
can
certainly
chime
in,
but
I
think
we
do.
We
do
have
at
least
some.
L
No,
no,
I
don't
think
they
have
to
match
like
specifically
to
the
species
or
anything
but
just
making
sure
that
they
correspond
to.
You
know
what
is
proposed,
and
then
I
have
one
more
question
about
that
is
in
the
rendering.
I
see
that
second
rendering
down
on
the
left.
You
know
it's
very
grassy
in
there,
not
just
on
the
street
side,
but
on
the
interior
between
the
sidewalk
and
the
wall,
and
just
wondering
are
you
proposing
that
that
be
some
sort
of
lawn
or
ground
cover
planting
or
will
that
be
mulch?.
J
Are
you
so
the
area
between
the
sidewalk
and
the
street
would
be
grass
and
then
so?
I
have
a
quite
a
few
shrubs
along
the
retaining
wall
for
screening
and
yeah.
We
haven't
really
gotten
to
that
level.
You
know
at
this
point
we're
really
just
trying
to
meet
the
landscape
ordinance,
but
I
certainly
appreciate
your
point.
I
don't
know
I
think
using
ground
covers
there.
L
Sure
I
get
it
I
just
you
know
when
I
see
that
it's
just
like
wait.
A
second
am
I
reading
the
plan
wrong
and
so
just
to
say
that
if
that
was
a
brown
mulch
planting
area
with
small
shrubs
in
it,
it
would
look
very,
very
different
on
along
swananova
river
road
and
that's
not
good
or
bad.
It's
just
that
it's
helpful
to
know
like
what
is
actually
what
we're
doing,
and
so
we
that's
all.
J
M
Can
you
hear
me
now
all
right
sorry
about
that?
I
apparently
there's
more
than
one
way
to
mute.
This
thing
I
just
wanted
to
circle
back
on
the
public
comment.
They
had
also
asked
about
and
we
had
the
same
comments
before,
but
they
also
asked
about
the
bleachery
road
extension
which
isn't
really
an
extension.
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
we
mentioned
that
you
know
that's
really
part
of
the
aldi
property
and
it's
not
really
something
that
that
the
that
the
project
could
use.
M
So
on
the
on
the
just
looking
at
the
site
plan,
I
noted
that
there's
a
10
foot
sidewalk
along
the
entire
front
and
that
you
know
wide
sidewalks
are
are
great
in
you
know
like
a
downtown
environment,
but
it
seems
seems
like
a
large
expansive
sidewalk
for
a
project
like
this,
and
I'm
wondering
if
you
know
that
could
be
reduced.
Is
there?
Is
there
some
sort
of
requirement
for
that?
Could
that
be
reduced
and
then
also.
M
On
the
east
side,
I
see
that
there's
a
path.
You
know,
there's
a
that
sidewalk
wondering
if
that
sidewalk
could
be
pulled
away
from
the
building
a
little
bit,
because
I'm
actually
a
little
bit,
and
I
had.
I
had
some
thoughts
about
that
elevation.
When
you
look
at
the
elevation,
that
is
probably
the
you
know,
it
is
the
single
biggest
wall
and
to
me
that
you
know
that
wall
could
use
some
relief.
M
When
I
look
at
the
floor
plan,
it
looks
like
there's
a
natural
break
where
you
could
pop
that
wall
out.
You
know
a
little
bit.
You
know,
make
a
make
a
break
in
it,
but
at
the
very
least
it
would
also
you
know,
would
also
be
helpful
to
have
some
plantings
in
front
of
that
as
well,
which
you
know
we're
pulling
that
sidewalk
away
from
the
from
the
building
and
gives
you
some
room.
J
So
originally
the
sidewalk
was
further
away
from
the
building
and
I
requested
that
it
be
moved
closer
to
the
building
because
there's
a
steep
slope
that
starts
pretty
quickly
and
I
was
also
trying
to
fit
in
as
many
trees
to
make
the
tree
canopy
ordinance
as
possible
on
that
slope,
and
it
just
seemed
like
we
had
this
very
large
planting
area
between
the
building
and
the
sidewalk,
that's
too
small
to
put
trees.
So
that's
why
I
request
that
move
back
and
in
terms
of
foundation
landscaping.
J
We
don't
have
a
lot
at
this
point
because
again
we're
just
trying
to
meet
the
udo
and
then
come
back
later
as
budget
allows
and
add
more
so.
At
this
point
I
focused
foundation
plantings
around
all
the
doorways
and
then
also
on
that
property
line.
You'll
see
the
smaller
trees
close
to
the
sidewalk.
Those
are
screening,
trees
like
hollies
and
little
gem
magnolias,
and
that
was
really
to
help
with
screening
of
the
parking
lot
and
grocery
store
next
door.
M
Okay,
so
well
yeah.
So
my
my
my
comment
on
that
elevation
is
like
I
said.
If
I,
if
I
look
at
the
floor
plan,
it
looks
like
there's
a
there's,
a
natural
break
at
the
wall
of
those
bedrooms
there
that
maybe
something
could
shift
or
something
could
happen
to
break
that
break
that
up
a
little
bit,
but
I
think
you
know
where
the
way
that
that
that
that
facade
faces.
M
M
You
see
that
there
is
actually
more
articulation
and
in
that
sense
the
the
old
elevations
or
the
old
roof
line
was
more
successful
in
that
it
broke
that
line
up
like
brian
was
suggesting.
Now
they
you
know
there
was
a
change
in
the
pitch
direction
and
all
that
stuff.
So
we
had
talked
about
fixing
that,
but
I
agree
that
you
know:
we've
got
this
sort
of
big
roof
that
just
sits
over
the
whole
thing,
the
pitch.
M
You
know,
if
we're
doing,
if
we're
doing
these
gables
and
we've
got
a
a
mix
of
gabled
and
hip
roof,
which
it's
it
it
seems
a
little
bit.
It
seems
a
little
bit
unclear
right
now
and
then
the
the
vertical
sort
of
single
vertical
elements
marching
along
the
facade,
the
pitch
on
on
those
gables
is
different
than
than
on
the
main
over
the
main
entrance.
M
I
don't
know
if
you
guys
have
explored
you
know
normalizing,
those
making
those
the
same,
obviously
not
the
same
size
but
the
same
pitch
and
then
the
the
stone
we
had
also
talked
about
that,
and
I
I
think
this
is.
I
think
this
is
an
improvement,
because
the
way
that
that
stone
was
coming
up
to
the
bottom
of
a
well,
I
can't
remember
which
window
it
was.
M
It
was
you
know,
sort
of
choking
that
window
and
this
this
feels
better.
It
gives
that
window.
You
know
relief
all
the
way
around,
so
I
think
it's
an
improvement,
but
you
still
just
have
two
datums
for
that
stone
and
I
think
this
could
you
know
this?
Maybe
it
could
be
improved
if
there
were
three,
so
we
have
where
you
know
in
this
elevation,
where
you
have
the
the
white.
I
guess
that
siding
you
know
you
have
the
low
water
table
where
you
have
the
narrow
siding.
You
know
almost
like
little
towers
here.
I
Yeah,
I
think
that's
something
we
can.
You
know
continue
to
study.
I
think
it's
you
know
it's
a
good
comment
to.
I
guess
provide
a
little
bit
more.
You
know.
Articulation,
I
think
is,
is
the
word
that
that
I
keep
hearing
yeah
yeah,
so
I
guess-
and
you
know
just
to
respond
a
few
other
comments.
Yeah.
The
last
time
we
did
have.
I
I
You
know
we
sort
of
landed
on
this,
this
single
datum,
but
again
that
you
know
I
I
take
the
point
that
for
a
vertical
element
to
have
a
greater
emphasis
on
the
massing,
extending
it
above
the
root
line
would
certainly
help.
So
you
know
that's
something
we
can
look
at.
You
know
the
the
differing
roof
pitches
you
know
with
the
hip.
Roofs
are
all
on
the
sort
of
larger,
more
prominent
areas,
so
you
know
as
a
gable.
They
just
simply
overpower
the
adjacent
roof
lines.
I
You
know
it's
it's
something.
We've
we've
looked
at,
you
know.
Potentially,
could
we
go
to
flat
roofs
in
some
areas?
I
think
you
know
being
early
in
design,
that's
something
that
that
may
still
be
on
the
table
to
help
alleviate
that.
But
you
know
at
you
know
the
height
of
the
building
at
four
stories
at
a
pedestrian
level.
The
hip
roof
is
a
low
enough
slope
that
it
recedes
fairly
well,
but
obviously
from
surrounding
directions.
N
A
H
B
E
B
E
D
E
I
mean
I'm
I'm
on
the
commission
and
I'm
certainly
no
expert,
but
it
tends
to
flow
with.
What's
in
the
surrounding
area
areas,
so
different
sections
of
the
river
have
different
materials
that
are
acceptable
versus
not
so
I
would
think
in
this
more
industrial
area
that
may
be
an
acceptable
material,
but.
L
A
I
Thanks
just
to
to
offer
for
the
discussion
as
well,
some
of
our
our
choices
are
somewhat
limited
by
the
funding
that
we're
pursuing,
so
allowable
materials
include
masonry.
So
you
know
that
could
be
again
as
we've
discussed,
the
sort
of
brick
or
stone
wood
siding
is
not
allowed.
They
specifically
do
not
allow
metal
siding,
which
has
traditionally
been
interpreted
as
metal
panels,
but
you
know
I
think
that
would
be
probably
equally
difficult
from
a
budget
perspective.
We
certainly
couldn't
be
looking
at.
I
You
know
some
sort
of
corrugated
panel,
that's
sort
of
specifically
what
they're
trying
not
to
get
and
then
stucco
is
an
option.
We
have
a
lot
of
concern
about
stucco
over
frame,
particularly
over
four
stories,
which
would
be
a
lot
and
then
we
have
sort
of
siding
so
again
for
vinyl.
It's
the
you
know
the
sticker
gauge
vinyl,
you
know
like
0.45,
I
think
or
47
is
north
carolina's
standard.
I
I
N
Actually
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
I
think
there's
a
paragraph
or
sentence
in
the
river
design
guidelines
that
say
talk
about
using
materials
in
a
creative
way,
and
I
do
think
you
know
using
the
vinyl
siding
vertically
creates
some
interest.
That
is
definitely
not
something
we
see
typically
and-
and
I
think
it's
a
vast
improvement
from
the
original
design.
D
A
D
D
A
O
A
M
M
A
E
A
D
G
The
clingman
depostry
design
sector
district,
the
zoning
is
rad
nt,
which
is
river
arts
form
district
hyphen
neighborhood
transition,
since
there
is
a
hotel
use
proposed,
as
the
project
is
located
in
a
overlay
allowing
for
small
hotels
which
are
those
with
35
guest
rooms
or
fewer.
It
is
coming
before
the
design
review
committee
and
would
not
need
city
council
approval
if
it
were
to
receive
a
favorable
recommendation
from
this
committee.
G
It
is
proposed
at
four
stories
from
the
artful
way
elevation
six
stories
total,
which
includes
the
parking
garage
beneath
those
four
stories
of
building.
So
the
address
is
on
an
artful
way
and
there
will
be
a
strong
pedestrian
entrance
and
connection
along
that
road.
However,
the
vehicular
access
is
from
clingman
avenue
extension
where
a
driveway
will
come
in
and
connect
to
the
garage
entrance
with
an
internal
ramp
to
get
to
the
second
story.
There's
also
a
pedestrian
entrance
proposed
from
that
first
story
as
well.
G
G
The
the
parking
structure
contains
42
total
spaces
below
the
building.
As
I
mentioned,
the
pedestrian
access
will
be
at
the
first
level,
clingman
avenue
extension
as
well
as
the
third
level
on
earth
full
way
and
as
far
as
the
proposed
materials
go
kind
of
varying
varying
shades
of
gray,
corrugated
metal
panels
and
fiber
cement
panels.
G
As
far
as
the
sidewalks
and
connectivity
go,
project
will
provide
a
new
eight
foot,
wide
sidewalk
on
artful
way
in
a
six
foot,
wide
sidewalk
and
clingman
avenue
extension.
A
four
foot
wide
sidewalk
will
provide
pedestrian
access
from
clingman
avenue
extension
to
the
first
floor.
Pedestrian
entrance
of
the
building
style
up
will
be
constructed
of
concrete
and
a
square
scoring
pattern
as
appropriate
for
the
districts
and
a
pedestrian
plaza
with
shading
and
benches
is
proposed
along
artful
way
between
that
new
sidewalk
and
in
the
building.
G
G
One
is
arranged
vertically
in
the
recess
of
the
west
facade
the
other
arranged
horizontally
near
the
building's
pedestrian
entrance
that
are
away
and
the
third
wall-mounted
vertically
oriented
sign
is
proposed
to
identify
parking
garage
entrance.
All
signs
are
supposed
to
be
in
the
same
pink
color
used
to
accent
the
other
elements
of
the
building.
G
G
Designing
the
project,
encouraging
the
project
to
retain
the
authentic
high
quality
landscape
elements
proposed,
as
well
as
adding
larger
canopy
trees
than
currently
proposed,
and
also
the
possibility
of
a
future
pedestrian
connection
from
the
end
of
artful
way
to
haywood
road
and
kind
of
get
a
sense.
Maybe
in
this
rendering
it
it
looks
a
lot
closer
than
it
really
is.
I'm
in
this
rendering,
but
rfid
does
dead
end
and
then
heywood
road
is
it's
50
theater
100
feet
away,
but
it's
it
is
there.
G
G
F
G
Overall
project,
which
would
have
a
summer
2022
start
date,
presumably,
and
then
the
completion
in
early
2024.,
so
staff
supports
the
proposed
building.
Design
of
the
artful
way
recommends
approval,
as
the
project
is
in
alignment
with
requirements
and
the
intent
of
the
guidelines
for
the
following
reasons.
G
P
Sure
hi,
my
name
is
laura
hudson
and
I'm
the
architect
involved
with
the
project
and
you
I
probably
remember.
Last
month
we
took
a
look
at
this
and
some
suggestions
were
made,
and
so
I
wanted
to
kind
of
give
you
an
overview
of
what
we
looked
at
and
what
we
kind
of
landed
on
as
far
as
how
we
modified
some
of
this
design.
P
First
of
all,
we
were
starting
with
a
very
kind
of
the
gradients
that
went
for.
The
four
floors
were
high,
in
contrast
from
lightest
to
dark,
and
we
had
brought
that
down-
probably
50
percent,
so
that
the
gradient
is,
it
stays
dark
and
it's
much
more
subtle,
so
it
never
reaches
those
lighter
values.
P
And
I
really
like
this
for
a
couple
reasons:
it
it
first
of
all
the
gradient,
it's
more
subtle.
It
doesn't
read
so
much
like
the
the
starkness
of
those
layers
and
it
provides
more
contrast
for
the
lighter
fiber
cement
panels
at
the
stairs,
and
we
looked
at
reversing
that
going
darker
with
the
fiber
cement
panels.
But
you
lose
some
of
the
articulation
that
kind
of
that
texture.
P
If
you
remember
we're
using
three
different
textures
of
the
same
color
of
fiber
cement
and
we
were
afraid,
we'd
kind
of
lose
some
of
the
shadowing
if
we
went
too
dark,
so
we
stayed
light
with
our
fiber
cement
and
then
darkened
that
that
gradient
at
the
metal
panel.
In
addition,
we
we
played
a
little
bit
with
some
of
the.
The
bands
are
not
completely
consistent.
P
P
We
were
using
something
that
was
an
exposed
fastener
now
we're
looking
at
it
concealed
faster,
something
made
by
morin
and
what's
great
about
this
is
there's
about
five
profiles
that
all
work
together
and,
as
you
kind
of
play
with
them
and
put
them
together,
you
can
really
start
to
create
some
variety
along
the
facade,
and
I
mean
we
didn't
want
to
get
too
busy.
But
this
again
we're
trying
to
play
with
these
kind
of
like
subtle,
textural
moments
that
add
some
interest
to
the
facade.
P
So
will
do
you
mind
going
to
well
actually
on
this
image
you
can
see
in
the
upper
left
hand
corner
that
image.
We
didn't
change
and
you
can
see
that
the
real
contrast
and
how
the
gradient
goes
from
like
a
hundred
percent
to
zero
and
now
down
in
the
other
right
hand
corner
you
see
we're
going
100
to
50
and
it's
just
you
know
you
get
to
read
some
of
that
gradient,
but
it's
just
much
a
much
more
subtle
change.
P
P
These
are
storefront
and
they're
floor
to
ceiling
instead
of
using
like
a
low
density,
fiber,
cement
or
stucco,
we're
really
trying
to
pull
in
more
urban
longer
lasting
materials,
the
metal
panel
and
the
high
density
fiber
cement
and
concrete.
So
I
mean
that's
kind
of
just
where
we've
been
focusing
on
the
design
since
we
last
talked,
and
I
don't
think
we
had
really.
I
mean
that
was
the
bulk
of
the
changes.
So
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
might
have.
A
A
M
Thank
you
yeah.
This
is,
I
mean
this
is
still
great.
I
I
can't
decide
if
I
I
hear
you
on
the
on
on
the
way
that
you're,
you
know.
Switching
that
contrast
around.
I
can't
decide
which
one
I
like
better,
but
you
know
that's
a
that's
a
good
problem
to
have
a
couple
of
things
on
the
site
plan
the
that
sidewalk
or
crosswalk.
I
guess
is
there
that
that
axis
is
coming
in
fairly
level
right,
there's,
not
a
huge,
great
change
there.
M
I
would
suggest
taking
that,
and
you
know
racing
and
maybe
widening
it
a
little
bit
and
racing
it
just
just
to
make
it
something
that
you
know
somebody
driving
in
a
car
isn't
gonna,
you
know,
fly
through
you
know
kind
of
you
know
improving,
improving
the
the
safety
of
anybody
who's
actually
trying
to
cross
on
it
and
and
creating
an
accent.
It's
an
opportunity
to
create
an
accent
as
well.
M
On
the
the
I
know,
you're
trying
to
get
your
accents
of
color.
I
think
the
the
parking
sign
is
a
little
bit.
It's
pretty
big,
it's
pretty
prominent
and
granted
it's
a
you
know
it's
down
there
and
it's
not
really
something.
That's
going
to
be
that
visible.
But
if
especially,
if
this
is
something
that's
going
to
light
up,
I
would
suggest
you
know,
maybe
a
like
a
p
in
a
circle
or
something
like
that,
something
that's
a
universal
symbol
for
parking.
M
So
it's
not
quite
so
big,
because,
right
now,
it's
almost
as
big
as
the
sign
for
the
building
itself,
the
the
the
sign
for
the
building
itself.
I
would.
I
would
like
to
see
a
place
for
it.
It's
just
sort
of
floating
around
it.
Does
it's
not
really
anchored
it'd
be
nice.
If
it,
you
know
there
was
a
way
to
create
a
place
for
it,
so
that
you
know
as
you're
coming
in
it.
It's
not
just
sort
of
floating
wherever
on
the
facade
near
the
door.
M
M
I
know
the
I
know
the
more
product
that
you're
talking
about,
and
it's
great
I
mean
it's
gonna,
give
you
so
much
opportunity
to
play
with
the
the
the
black
band,
the
bottom
band,
that
one
is
sort
of
allowed
to
flutter
a
little
bit
as
you
go
around
the
building,
because
you're
dealing
with
like
different
different
parts
of
different
masses
coming
in
and
you
know
meeting
it
and
where
it.
You
know
where
it's
at
that
corner
with
the
circular
window.
B
M
M
M
Yeah,
okay,
so
you
got
you
got
that
fiber
cement
coming
in
so
that
and
the
and
the
glazing
there.
Those
are
interrupting.
The
metal
panel
band
right.
You've
got
the
metal
panel
coming
in
from
the
left
in
this
image.
Then
you've
got
the
metal
panel
on
the
front,
but
it
gets
interrupted
by
that
fiber
cement
by
that.
M
I
think
that
there's
an
opportunity
there,
where,
if
you
take
that
metal
panel
on
the
front
and
just
make
it
glazing
or
make
it
fiber
cement
with
openings,
you
can
open
that
up
more.
You
know
so,
where
you
you
have
that
lobby
area.
You
know
in
your
in
your
renderings
you're,
showing
and
in
the
site
plan
you're
showing
you
know
like
a
tree
out
there
and
some
plantings
and
whatever
and
there's
an
opportunity
there
to
take
that
space
and
open
it
up
more
to
the
outside
and
then.
P
You
can't
really
see
there's
a
lot
of
change
in
plane
happening
around
here.
I
typically
I
know
we
talked
about
some
color
blocking.
I
typically
don't
like
to
change
materials
unless
I'm
changing
plane,
so
the
fibers
okay.
So
if
you
go
to
the
north
elevation,
the
you
can
see
this
little
the
three
stories
and
metal
panel.
They
pop
they're
proud
and
they
pop
out
the
metal
panel.
I'm
sorry,
the
fiber,
cement
and
glass
below
are
actually
inward
of
the
adjacent
metal
panel.
P
P
There
you
go
kind
of
okay
there
we
are
so
you
can
see
the
metal
panel
on
the
left
is
wrapping
in,
and
the
metal
metal
panel
on
the
right
is
wrapping
in.
So
it's
almost
like
that
the
fiber
cement
from
the
west
side
is
scooting
in
and
under
it's
always
behind
the
metal
panel.
That's
kind
of
like
the
the
rule
does
that
make
sense,
and
so,
if
you
go.
F
P
That
west
facade,
we
really
like
bringing
part
of
that
that
front
down
to
meet
the
ground
right
there.
You
know,
rather
than
have
the
entire
thing
hovering
over
the
the
ground
floor.
We
wanted
to
anchor
that
left
side
corner
and
bring
some
some
of
that
dark
metal
to
the
the
west
facade
the
front
elevation
down,
and
so
the
fiber
cement
and
the
glass
are
all
recessed
back.
P
P
That
is
on
the
right
there,
but
on
the
right
side
that's
metal
paint
like
you
can't
really
see
it,
but
we
have
a
trellis
structure
and
on
the
right
side
that
is
metal
panel
coming
down
dark
so
and
then
it
steps
back
so
every
time
you
know
the
rule
is
as
we
change.
You
know,
go
back
to
a
different
plane
that
triggers
the
change
in
material.
D
P
K
B
P
As
you
can
see
we're
coming
around-
and
this
is
all
recess-
this
area,
this
entire
l-shape-
that
comes
up
down
and
back
this
steps
forward
and
then,
as
you
wrap
around
it's
in
plane
and
then
it
steps
back
again
and
we're
always
like
I
said
we're
always
moving
the
facade
before
while
when
we
change
plane.
And
so
if
you
wanted
to
see
that
in
floor
plan
as
you
come
in,
this
is
the
piece
that
pops
out.
M
P
M
D
A
D
D
B
A
B
A
M
A
E
A
G
G
Q
So
yeah,
as
I
was
saying
this
is
this-
is
the
old
haze
and
lunford
building
the
hot
spot
sits
here
as
well
as
the
the
micro
housing
project
here
we're
at
the
corner
of
hilliard
avenue
and
ashland,
and
we
are
approach.
We
are
proposing
a
residential
building,
primarily
residential
building,
with
approximately
230
units
with
an
internal
parking
garage
of
about
250
units.
Q
This
is
the
kind
of
the
existing
conditions
that
are
out
there
and
then
the
proposed
residential
building.
We
have
you
can
kind
of
see
here,
silhouetted
in
the
background,
an
internal
parking
garage
and
with
the
the
building
kind
of
got
a
long
geometry
as
well.
Some
toppo
that
we
deal
with
we've
got
about
eight
feet
of
topo
change
along
hilliard
avenue,
and
then
we've
got
about
10
along
ashland
avenue
and
it
kind
of
maximized
over
here
at
about
about
20
little
over
20
feet
of
elevation
change
along
the
west
side.
Q
The
parking
access
we
are
proposing
is
is
internal
and
will
align
with
grove
street.
On
this
side
we
do
also
butt
up
against
south
grove
street,
which
goes
down
into
the
south
french
broad
neighborhood.
However,
we're
not
we're
proposing
that
this
would
be
used
for
service,
but
no
no
vehicular
access
from
the
project
would
would
go
out
we're
not
we're
not
looking
to
to
add
vehicles
or
traffic
along
south
grove
street.
We
are,
though,
looking
to
we've
pulled
this
building.
Q
Q
But
that
gives
us
two
two
opportunities
here.
One
is
to
maintain
an
existing
city
of
actual
minor
water
line
that
goes
through
here,
so
we're
gonna,
look
to
reroute
it
and
allow
it
to
continue
the
connection
point
that
serves
south
grove
street
to
hilliard,
but
then
that
also
creates
an
opportunity
for
multimodal
connectivity.
So,
while
we're
not
looking
to
have
vehicles
cars
coming
down
through
here,
we
are
going
to
propose
that
that
path
become
for
bikes
and
pedestrians,
to
connect
hilliard
to
the
south,
french
broad
neighborhood.
Q
Speaking
of
the
geometry
of
the
project,
we've
got
a
hundred
foot
right
away
on
ashland
and
about
54
feet
along
hillyard,
but
with
the
the
way
the
angles
are
we
create.
It
creates
kind
of
a
larger
pedestrian
area
there
at
the
corner
across
from
the
hot
spot,
and
let
me
flip
through
a
couple
more
of
these
slides.
Q
This
is
a
utility
plan
kind
of
showing,
where
we're
maintaining
that
connectivity
and
then
into
some
of
the
stuff
that
you
guys
are
more
interested
in
this
is
the
facade
along
ashland
avenue,
looking
at
the
shorter
side
of
the
building
and
kind
of
in
front
of
these,
these
larger
windows
would
be
that
corner
that
I
I
spoke
to
having
kind
of
a
larger
pedestrian
area
once
again
on
this
side
of
the
road.
We've
got
a
hundred
foot
right
away
along
this
facade,
and
then
this
is
the
hilliard
avenue.
Q
Q
Q
This
is
the
single
family
parcel
here.
If
you
measure
it
to
the
center
of
the
right
of
way,
then
it
starts
pulling
into
a
little
bit
here.
But
for
all
intents
purposes
the
same
ideology
holds
true
on
the
west
side
of
the
building.
We've
got
the
the
front
along
hilliard
the
rear
we
do
have
areas
of
exposed
parking
and
we've
got
that
kind
of
the
building
has
a
little
recess
here
to
provide
the
required
landscaping
buffer
that
the
code
requires
on
that
that
parking
deck
and
then
finally,
I've
got.
R
R
Afternoon
everybody
yeah,
we,
we
do
work
all
over
the
place
and
we
always
find
that
these
opportunities
to
get
in
front
of
you
guys
that
our
initial
insight
are
are
helpful.
We
try
to
be
pretty
loose
with
our
concepts
in
the
beginning,
so
that
we
can
really
glean
what
we
would
like
from
you
guys
on
some
feedback
and
without
really
kind
of
taking
too
much
time
of
our
client.
So
we
have
a
project
here
that,
as
chris
alluded
to,
has
a
tremendous
amount
of
great
around
it.
R
It
works
great
for
the
parking
situation
than
the
access
out
of
grove
street
and
onto
hilliard,
and
then
part
of
our
our
struggle
has
been
the
the
hilliard
elevation,
as
you
can
kind
of
see,
that's
probably
the
least
developed
there.
We
have
commercial
ground
floor
uses
along
probably
that
part
and
then
the
corner
where
chris
was
talking
about
the
plaza
area,
but
based
on
how
we
have
to
set
our
elevations
for
our
five
stories
of
apartments.
Above
it.
It's
really
like.
R
We
have
to
pick
the
worst
possible
spot
to
set
some
sort
of
a
great
elevation
and
there
are
pros
and
cons
to
all
four
corners
of
how
we
want
to
do
that
internally,
that
you,
what
you
can
see
is
a
combination
of
a
five
over
two
and
a
five
over
one
podium
building.
So
we
have
tried
to
address
sort
of
these
opportunities
to
step
the
building
up
and
get
our
our
pedestrian
level
closer
to
the
str
to
the
ground.
R
R
We
would
like
to
provide
some
daylighting
into
it,
but
also
it
needs
to
be
probably
integrated
more
into
the
facade
and
right
now
what
you're?
What
you're
really
seeing?
There
is
just
the
the
model
cut
of
the
the
slope
of
the
ramp.
So
our
intention
is
to
develop
that
and
it
and
it
sort
of
ties
into
what
chris
was
speaking
about
with
the
contextual
edge
and
that
that
chunk
we've
kind
of
taken
out
of
the
building
right
now,
just
for
for
conversation's
sake,
we
do
have
some.
R
R
With
the
the
great
elevations
there's
again
pros
and
cons
to
setting
things
at
different
elevations
and
then
our
access
back
off
of
grove
street
for
move-ins
and
maintenance
and
trash
and
all
all
the
good
things
that
go
with
those
types
of
buildings,
so
we'd
love
to
get
some
feedback
answer
any
questions
and
sort
of
continue.
This
project
forward.
D
A
G
C
Thank
you
chair.
Maybe
we
could
start
with
the
site
and
then
discuss,
because
this
is
such
a
big
large
building
go
into
the
architecture
if
you
all
want,
but
chris,
we
really
appreciate
you
helping
lead
your
out
of
town
team
and
developer
through
this
initial
phase,
and
I
think
that
the
last
project
that
your
team
brought
through
shows
very
clear
evidence
of
how
this
can
be
a
very
productive
process.
C
C
I
think
this
is.
This
is
a
tremendous
project.
I
think
for
downtown
one
thing:
the
it
looks
like
there's
a
pretty
significant
portion
of
power
lines
going
underground,
which
is
great
and
we're
also
cutting
out
a
large
number
of
curb
cuts
on
this.
So
this
is
really
going
to
clean
up
the
streetscape
edge.
C
C
Other
projects
in
the
past
recent
past
and
downtown
nashville
have
found
that
to
be
favorable
in
helping
them
achieve
some
of
their
stormwater
goals.
The
benefits
are
many
many,
and
I
think
that
it
would.
I
would
strongly
encourage
the
designers
to
look
at
this
carefully,
and
that
is
something
that
I
would
personally
like
to
like
to
see.
C
D
L
L
Increased
surface
temperatures,
so
I
think
we
you
know
just
to
follow
up
on
what
steven's
saying
is.
That
is
there
a
way
that
we
can
mitigate
those
impacts
through
innovative
stormwater
management.
That
lessens
impact
on
our
public
infrastructure
that
we
all
pay
for
our
beloved
waterways,
incorporating
vegetation
and
trees
to
help
reduce
that
land
surface
temperature,
which
not
only
makes
our
city
more
comfortable
and
more
pleasant,
but
also
reduces
energy
use.
Greenhouse
gas
emissions
improves
air
quality.
L
L
So
I
think
there's
an
opportunity
to
activate
that
corner
within
a
relatively
small
radius.
We
have,
let's
see
middle
school
city
park,
the
ywca
downtown
and
over
the
course
of
you
know
next
several
years,
many
many
more
residents.
So
just
thinking
about
how
we
can
improve
the
quality
of
that
the
pedestrian
and
street
environment
would
be
something
I'd
like
to
to
just
note.
N
R
Oh
yeah
so
great
question
that
that's
something
that
we're
working
through
that.
I
think
that
is
our
biggest
issue
right
now
is
we
use
the
intersection
as
sort
of
our
ground
zero
for
that
level
and
there
sort
of
appears
to
be
like
a
story
and
a
half
version
of
down
along
hilliard
and
we've
been
thinking
through
with
our
client
on
some
uses
of
that
space.
R
We've
talked
looked
at
like
some
wework
spaces
that
these
windows
would
serve
as
more
clear
stories
or
you
know,
chest
level,
high
windows
due
to
the
grades
that
we
have
there
and-
and
that
was
to
try
to
get
to
when
we
get
to
the
intersection
that
were
not
submerged
there
or
or
elevated
above
the
the
pedestrian
way.
So
what
were
what
we're
really
trying
to
do?
R
And
I
don't
know
that
we're
there
yet
is
to
try
to
set
the
corner
as
what
sets
the
datum
for
the
whole
building
and
then
how
we
transition
up
hilliard
without
you
know,
either
a
knocking
our
head
on
the
balconies
that
are
above
it
or
by
the
time
we
get
to
the
driveway
for
the
parking
entrance
or
to
create
this
kind
of
like
very
uncomfortable
corridor.
But
you
know,
obviously
we
do
not
want
to
have
like
solid
walls
there.
R
So
it's
a
little
bit
of
a
of
a
struggle
with
the
grade
and
where
we
have
the
building
and
and
we're
trying
not
to
create
this
big
recessed
courtyard
that
you
look
down
on
that.
Just
you
know,
builds
up
of
leaves
and
trash
and
all
kinds
of
things,
so
that
this
that
first
floor
on
hillyard
is
our
biggest
challenge
that
we're
working
on
right
now.
B
A
I
have
one
thought:
while
we're
on
this
elevation
on
hilliard,
you
said
you're
still
working
through
that
and
there's
an
opportunity.
I
think
where
the
garage
injury
is
because
there's
an
angled
wall
there
there
too,
that
that
piece
be
different,
because
it
is
so
that
could
be
something
you
could
play
with,
because
I
mean
there's
a
garage
entry
there
and
an
angled
wall
and
there's
these
white
repetitive
blocks,
and
that
would
be
an
opportunity
to
make
a
different
one.
R
A
R
A
A
D
Yeah,
okay,
so
this
is
a
you
know.
We,
we
spent
a
pretty
fair
amount
of
time
on
the
other
other
corner
here
of
hillyard,
talking
a
lot
about
the
length
of
that
building
and
the
articulation
of
the
building
and
how
it's
broken
up.
And
so,
as
I
look
at
this
hillyard
elevation,
the
the
you
know
we
can
like.
I
I
like
a
lot
of
the
parts
and
pieces
of
this.
I
don't
I
don't
mind
you
know
I
like
to
see
someone.
D
Do
you
know
a
modern
building
of
its
time,
the
the
the
little
you
know,
kind
of
hipped
element,
the
l-shaped
element,
some
of
that
stuff.
This
corner
is
not
right
at
all.
It's
like
the
the
way
that
the
way
this
l-shaped
element
has
turned
its
back
on
the
on
the
on
that
prominent
corner
really
bothers
me.
I
it's
just
totally
the
wrong
move
and
then
this
this
hilliard
elevation
the
way
it's.
This
is
just
a
big
long.
D
Building
you've
got
just
a
complete
flat
datum
up
at
the
top
there's
very
little
articulation
and
breaking
up
in
inside
the
building.
I'm
I'm
I'm
having
a
hard
time
with
it.
When
I
think
of
how
that
building
presents
itself
and
how
it's
going
to
be
to
walk
beside
it,
I
I
really
I
just
don't
like
it
at
all
and
I'm
trying
to
think
of
something
more
articulate
and
and
and
and
constructive
than
that,
but
that's
I
that
is,
I
don't
is
this
a
key
pedestrian
street
will
sasha.
D
I
think
it
is
actually
both
both
streets
are
keeping
up.
I
thought
they
were,
and
you
know
you
don't
have
any
real.
I
know
I
know
we've
got
some
great
changes.
I
know
we've
got
some
issues
to
deal
with
guys.
We've
got
great
changes
all
over
asheville
and
you
know
when
I
walk
up
and
down
bit
more
avenue
or
like
any
elections
in
the
market.
Any
of
them,
you
know,
got
as
much
more
great
change
and
this
is
difficult.
A
L
Brian,
I
have
a
question,
as
you
were
working
on
this
and
thinking
about
asheville
and
like
what
what
inspired
you
about
this
building,
when,
when
you
were
thinking
about
designing
a
building
in
nashville,
in
terms
of
like
the
materials
and
and
the
function
and
everything
like
just
maybe
learn
a
little
bit
more
about
the
decisions
that
you're
sharing.
Even
though
they're
preliminary
at
this
time.
R
R
This
this
site,
with
knowing
the
other
developments
that
are
going
on
along
hilliard,
the
the
potential
gateway
aspect
to
downtown
that
it
that
it
brings.
I
think
that
our
initial
hope
is
to
try
to
come
up
with
a
building
that
is
worthy
of
this
intersection
for
the
amount
of
eyeballs
that
get
put
on
it
as
people
transition
from
the
west
into
into
downtown.
R
We
tried
to
take
a
little
bit
more
of
the
historic
element
and
try
to
find
something.
I
don't
know
that
we
really
found
anything
that
wasn't
just
you
know
just
completely
fake
to
try
to
throw
up
there
to
make
some
sense.
You
know
we
have
some
historians
on
snap
that
we
had
to
do
some
research
on
this
site
and
and
the
buildings
around
it
and
downtown
to
try
to
come
up
with
something
I
mean,
that's
sort
of
how
we
started
with
the
the
brick
and
the
importance
of
the
cornice.
R
I
think
the
the
previous
comment
about
the
l
coming
down
and
turning
turning
its
back
to
the
intersection
is
is
accurate,
and
I
think
that
that
is
what
we're
suffering
with
how
to
deal
with
the
grades
in
the
corner,
and
I
don't
think
I
think
in
in
the
essence
of
time.
This
is
just
what
what
it
became.
R
I
think
we
understand
the
importance
of
how
this
thing
comes
to
the
corner.
We
have
like
chris's
cycling
shows
quite
a
lot
of
right
away,
that
we
can
do
a
lot
of
really
great
things
to
welcome
people
into
that
into
that
building,
and-
and
that's
really
why
we're
pushing
to
make
sure
that
our
our
grade
works
that
we're
at
the
right
grade
at
that
corner
and
not
looking
down
or
looking
up
at
something.
R
So
I
think
we're
really
trying
to
to
press
that
pedestrian
experience
there
at
the
corner.
I
agree
it's
it's.
It's
big.
I
think
right
now
what
we've
really
been
working
with
as
the
developer
and
their
you
know.
Obviously,
their
demand
for
units
and
parking
and
making
all
that
work
and
double
loaded
corridors
and
single
loaded
corridors
are
what
they
are
as
far
as
their
their
mass
in
size.
R
So
we
no
doubt
have
to
try
to
be
a
little
bit
more
softer
on
on
our
look
break
it
up
some
and
integrate
some
more
I'm
hearing
more.
You
know
green
passive
design,
kind
of
elements
that
we
certainly
can
start
to
take
a
look
at.
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
we
really
focused
on
a
lot
with
the
less
about
the
design
and
more
about
the
massing
of
it
was
the
grades
and
how
to
make
all
that
work.
So.
L
So
as
as
a
landscape
architect,
I
appreciate
all
that,
but
I'm
more
concerned
about
the
site-
and
that's
that's
because
that's
what
I
know
and
I'll
let
robin
and
brian
talk
about
the
architecture.
But
right
now
when
I
was
looking
at
the
comparison
of
impervious
surface
and
like
developed
area
as
of
now
versus
you're,
not
it's
not
any,
nor
it's
not
like
you're
taking
50
and
going
100.
L
It's
it's
not
a
ton,
but
but
it
is
significant
because
we
have
so
little
of
that
in
downtown
and
as
we
continue
to
like
shave
off
more
and
more
the
softscape
and
the
landscape.
You
know
we
talked
about
heat.
I
was
on
my
soapbox
and
climbing
slowly
off
of
it,
but
just
to
say
that
that's
some
really
important
quality
of
downtowns
and
and
for
our
downtown.
L
You
know
quantity
of
runoff,
but
also
really
help
to
cool
that
building
which
you
will
enjoy
and
your
tenants
will
enjoy.
Increased
biodiversity
within
the
city
really
have
a
lot
of
co-benefits.
That
stephen
lee
alluded
to.
That
is
something
that
the
community
will
benefit
from
as
well
and
won't
be
a
tremendous.
L
You
know
impact
for
you
either
so
just
starting
to
think
about.
You
know
ways
that
we
can
meet
some
of
these
challenges
on
the
site
in
the
building.
This
is
you
said
you
know
you
mentioned
how
prominent
this
building
is
it's
a
real
opportunity
to
start
showing
like
how
we
should
be
doing
things,
because
it
is
a
brand
new
project,
so
so
not
to
you
know,
make
you
responsible
for
everything,
but
just
to
say
that
it's
a
real
opportunity
here
and
and
I'm
excited
to
see,
see
what
can
happen.
Q
And
thank
you,
katherine
and
I'll.
Add
to
that
as
it
relates
to
stormwater,
whereas
the
vast
majority
of
redevelopment
projects
in
the
central
business
district
find
themselves
exempt
from
the
city's
water
quality
and
quantity,
because
of
because
it's
it's
so
built
upon
this,
this
site,
we
do
anticipate
and
our
technical
plans
have
been
submitted,
anticipate
a
some
type
of
stormwater
management
for
for
both
quantity
and
quality
on
this
currently,
currently,
there's
an
existing
store,
pipe
that
kind
of
grabs,
hilliard
and
bisects
the
property
and
we're
improving
some
of
the
infrastructure
in
the
street.
N
I
think
where
the
parking
deck
is
exposed
and
I'm
wondering
if
you
talked
about
possibly
having
screens
or
you
mentioned,
that
that
elevation
was
in
progress.
But
what
are
your
ideas
in
terms
of
addressing
that
parking
which
is
not
facing
downtown
but
still
faces
important
part
of
the
community?
The
park
and
residents.
R
R
I
think
if
we
can
successfully
put
a
facade
on
that
that
I
guess
the
west
side.
You
know,
then
that
I
realize
it's
not
a
true.
You
know
good
old,
texas
donut,
but
you
know
we
tried
to
maximize
the
courtyard
potential
with
just
the
physics
of
doing
a
parking
deck,
to
try
to
try
to
preserve
all
that
street
frontage
for
real
uses
and
not
just
parking
cars.
Q
Q
Level
we'll
have
we'll
have
landscaping
to
to
soften
there,
there's
some
opportunity
as
we
go
up,
we'll
coordinate
with
the
the
client
and
with
brian,
the
architect
as
to
you
know,
options
as
to
whether
you
know
I
know
on
the
last
project.
We
saw
some
kind
of
green
screen
in
front
of
the
parking
structure
that
was
that
was
exposed
to
the
facade
or
some
of
the
other
examples
that
we've
seen
around
town
and
continue
that
conversation.
D
Okay,
brian,
okay,
I'm
ready
for
something
more
constructive.
So
I'm
looking
at
the
ashland
avenue
elevation
on
a500
the
left
hand
corner,
I
think,
is
more
important
than
you're
you're,
making
it
right.
Now
it
just
kind
of
the
the
facade
just
kind
of
peters
out
and
wraps
around
it's
a
it's
a.
I
think,
that's
an
opportunity
to
figure
out
something
to
do
because
as
you
as
you,
a
lot
of
people
enter
downtown
coming
up
ashland
and
I
think
that's
an
important
corner
to
design.
D
I
really
I
like
this
on
the
I
like
this
corner
piece
the
right
hand
side
of
that
piece.
Quite
a
bit.
I
like
that
more
formal
look
of
that
of
that
piece
with
the
l
shape
and
I
think,
if
you
did
something
some
more
pieces
like
that
as
it
wraps
around
the
corner
on
the
on
the
hilliard
avenue
side,
see
one
of
the
things
I
think
I
don't
like
about
that.
Hillyard
elevation
is
that
it
feels
like
the
it
is
a
podium.
D
It
reads
so
much
like
a
podium
that
I
really
feel
like.
There's
this
huge
chunk
of
building.
Just
you
know,
that's
just
hovering
but
hasn't
hit
the
ground
yet
and
it's
about
to
crush
it,
and
so
you
know,
if
you
take
some
of
these
pieces,
that
you've
got
start
designing
some
different
pieces,
one
because
I
don't.
I
think
it's
just
it
right
now.
D
It
reads
too
much
like
a
big
long
block
and
I
think
it
needs
some
articulation
and
I
think
they
need
to
land
and,
as
you
start
to
land
those
things
on
on
the
ground
and
engage
the
pedestrian,
I
think
that's
going
to
help
a
good
bit.
That's
a
little
more
constructive
than
then
I
don't
like
it
there.
You
go.
R
A
Q
This
was
what
I
was
hoping
for.
I
really
appreciate
you
guys
input
to
help.
You
know,
as
steven
lee
made
reference
earlier,
we
just
watched
and
witnessed
the
success
of
this
process
on
another
project
down
a
few
blocks
away
and
how
it
evolved
through
coming
coming
to
informal
design,
review
meetings
and
appreciate
y'all's
time
and
input
as
we
help
guide
our
our
client
forward
on
on
this
project.
Q
A
E
E
G
O
G
O
Okay,
so
what
we
did
was
really
articulate
the
brick
veneer
and
the
soldier
course
and
the
banding
around
the
building
and
instead
of
doing
a
mimic
to
the
masonic
arch
we
made.
We
did
a
corbel
squared
arch
at
the
entry
point,
but
we
wanted
to
do
a
nod
to
that
architecture,
but
still
maintaining
our
contemporary
feel
so
we're
still
using
these
large.
You
know:
windows,
clean
lines,
asymmetry
and
the
mixed
materials
to
represent
that
contemporary
feel.
O
So
what
our
main
main
point
of
this
is
to
get
this,
get
this
facade
to
sort
of
align
with
all
of
the
architecture
that
surrounds
it
and
to
be
at
that
gateway.
Point
coming
up
broadway,
as
you
can
see,
we've
sort
of
extended
that
that
entry
sort
of
tower
parrot
a
little
bit
higher
as
well
and
there's
a
couple
of
renderings
at
the
end
of
the
project.
Will
that
meant
some
of
some
perspectives
that
you
could
view
this
entry
a
little
bit
a
little
bit
more.
O
O
C
C
C
C
So
I
would
really
like
for
you
for
you
all
to
strongly
consider
that
if
these
were
condo
balconies,
I
think
it
might
be
a
little
bit
more
restrictive,
not
that
it's
going
to
take
up
space
but
giving
that
it's
a
hotel.
I
think
that
you've
got
an
opportunity
to
do
something
really
spectacular
there.
So
those
are
the
two
things
I'd
like
to
hear
you
all
focus
on
in
the
next
middle.
A
D
Well,
I
I
like
the
I
like
the
first
three
or
four
floors,
much
much
better
than
what
what
we've
seen
previously.
I
I
like
your
little
portal
frame
entry.
I,
like
the
nod,
I
I
agree.
The
the
copy
in
the
arch
is
probably
that's,
probably
a
good
move
to
to
nod
to
it,
but
not
copy
it.
So
I
I
like
that
piece.
I
think
you
will.
Can
you
scroll
up
just
a
little
bit
or
whoever's
driving
this?
D
So
I
think
you
probably
did
that,
and
I
think
that
was
the
right
move
for
massing,
but
man
that's
not
right
that
that's
a
lot
of
forehead
on
that
guy
some!
I
don't
know
what
to
do
there,
but
it
something
needs
to
happen
on
that
that
big
element,
I
like
that.
I
like
the
move,
but
that's
a
there's
just
so
much
forehead,
maybe.
B
D
Why
does
the
brick
extend
up
and
then
it
becomes
metal
panel
at
that
line
versus?
I
don't
know
that
that
p.
That
piece
is
is
puzzling
to
me
in
in
this
in
this
elevation
and
then
there's
the.
I
think
it
does
the
same
thing
on
the.
It
makes
more
sense
to
me
in
a
way
flip
to
the
3d
perspective,
northwest
drc
that
one
so
like
that
piece
makes
more
sense
to
me
because
it
stops.
But
then
it's
got
this
weird
little
thing.
D
B
A
I
agree
with
that
ryan
about
the
material
change.
I
think
that's
what
bothers
me
about
it
that
I
couldn't
put
my
finger
on
one
comment
I'm
gonna
make.
It
may
just
be
me
this
brick
piece
that
goes
all
the
way
up.
I
kind
of
want
the
windows
in
it
not
to
be
asymmetrical.
I
kind
of
if
you're
going
to
nod
to
a
traditional
thing.
I
kind
of
want
those
windows
to
feel
a
little
more
traditional.
I
think
for
me.
A
O
We
looked
at
different
types
of
windows
and
I
I
anticipate
that
in
the
bricks
and
near
that
will
be
a
different
style
window
than
say
in
the
metal
panel
facade.
But
I
don't
know
that
we've
gone
into
too
much
investigation
strategies.
You
know
options
of
what
those
could
be
but
I'll.
I
will
definitely
write
that
down.
C
C
F
C
Okay
reason
I
bring
it
up
eric
is
that
our
conversations
in
the
project
before
I
think
directly
apply
to
this,
and
I'm
just
bringing
this
up
on
each
project
that
I
think
it
applies
to
and
I'm
not
saying
anything
they
don't
but
curious.
If
the
other
members
have
comments,
but
why
not
have
a
very
substantial
green
roof
on
this
project?
O
And
stephen
lee
kate
did
145
biltmore,
so
she
may
be
able
to
give
you
some
more
insight
onto
that.
We've
worked
with
living
roofs
on
a
lot
of
green
green
roofs
in
town
garage
apartments,
145
biltmore,
this
building
12
south
lexington,
was
one
of
the
original
ones,
so
we
will
definitely
revisit
the
idea
for
sure,
and
if
we
can
get
that
into
the
owner's
budget,
we
would
be
happy
to
to
do
that,
but
we'll
definitely
need
to
verify
those
those
instances.
C
And
I
think
that,
in
addition
to
all
of
our
we've
all
worked
with
clients
as
well
addition
to
owner
budget,
you
know
we
have
a
very
special
job.
We
have
to
do
on
this
committee
right
now
and
we've
got
to
feel
comfortable
about
what's
moving
forward,
especially
with
hotels
like
this,
even
though
this
is
somewhat
mixed
use,
but
I
think
it's
extremely
important
to
re
iterate,
the
necessity
of
well
for
one
the
approval
of
this
group,
but
also
how
dramatically
what
the
dramatic
impact
might
be
to
public
opinion
with
this
project.
C
L
Yeah
I'd
love
to,
and
yes,
the
145
biltmore
project,
and
I
want
to
take
this
opportunity
to
just
distinguish
between.
We
talk
about
green
roofs
and
we
all
think
of
the
same
thing
typically,
but
there's
a
lot
of
different
ways
to
build
them
and
design
them,
and
so
the
difference
between
the
145
biltmore
project.
That
was
what
we
call
a
utility
green
roof.
It's
up
there
not
for
anyone
to
look
at
it's,
not
an
amenity.
L
It's
not
decoration,
it's
strictly
up
there
to
help
with
storm
water
and
all
the
other
co-benefits
that
I
talk
about
too
much
so
that
was,
you
know.
We
use
an
overseeding
a
plug
system,
so
it's
a
lot
more
affordable
than
like
a
pre-vegetated
or
tray
system.
You
don't
put
a
copper
gutter
on
every
single
project.
You
select
that
out.
So
it's
the
same
thing
when
we
think
about
green
infrastructure
and
green
roofs.
L
So
I
think
that
there
is
an
opportunity
here
and-
and
we
were
so
thrilled
about
the
145
biltmore
project
we
came
in
at
the
end
I
mean
I
think
we
did.
We
consulted
a
little
bit
on
the
design,
but
we
mostly
built
it-
is
that
we're
doing
this
everywhere,
but
asheville
we're
seeing
this.
The
reason
that
all
these
other
municipalities
are
are
incentivizing,
green
roofs
and
and
mandating
them
in
some
ways,
isn't
because
they
love
them.
It's
because
it
makes
economic
sense
for
their
cities
in
terms
of
infrastructure.
L
It
makes
environmental
sense
so
just
to
say
that
we
should
start
thinking
about
these
as
true
building
systems
and
infrastructure,
and
if
we
want
to
make
them
accessible
and
an
amenity,
we
can
do
that
too,
but
but
to
to
stephen
lee's
point.
You
know
the
storm
water
impacts
on
this
could
be
tremendous.
L
The
the
garage
apartments,
green
roof,
what
6
200
square
feet
of
green
roof
that
has
100
volume
and
peak
flow
reduction
for
every
small
storm,
so
zero
water
is
coming
off
that
roof,
we're
looking
at
volume,
reductions
up
to
87
percent
compared
to
conventional
roof.
That's
a
lot
of
water
and
just
to
evapotranspiration
alone,
and
this
is
specific
to
garage
apartments.
So
I
want
to
brag
on
this
a
little
bit,
especially
because
eric's
here
is
that
you
know
these
are
true
numbers.
These
aren't
just
hypotheses.
L
We
ran
stormwater
calculations,
so
we're
looking
at
almost
120,
000
gallons
of
storm
water
that
don't
enter
the
public
storm
drain
and
enter
our
streams
just
through
evapotranspiration
alone.
So
these
are
significant
numbers
and
we
need
to
start
looking
at
this
and
and
taking
this
a
little
bit
more
seriously
as
opposed
to
let's
throw
a
green
roof
up
on
here.
It
might
be
nice
to
look
at.
Let's
really
start
thinking
of
these
things
as
systems.
O
C
A
M
Thank
you.
I
I'm
gonna
turn
it
back
to
the
architecture
a
little
bit.
I
absolutely
agree.
I
think
it's
a
great
point
on
the
on
the
green
roof
discussion.
That's
especially
this
type
of
project
is
it's
a
great
opportunity,
but
I'm
gonna
turn
it
back
to
the
to
the
architecture
a
little
bit.
You
mentioned
that
you
know
you
had
done
a
lot
of
work
and
I
have
to
be
honest.
I
just
don't
see
it.
There's
a!
M
I
see
the
changes
along
the
base,
but
other
than
that.
The
only
thing
that
I
you
know
I'm
looking
at
the
the
previous
submission
right
next
to
the
current
one
and
the
only
the
only
real
difference
I
see
is
you
know,
there's
some
some
banding
in
the
brickwork
and
then
that
that
lower
portion
of
the
front
facade.
M
I
think
it's
a
shame,
but
you
know
if
you
know,
if
there's
no
way
around,
that,
there's
no
way
around
it
and
to
to
brian's
point
about
you
know
like
the
jigsaw
nature
of
this.
I
think
that
to
me
the
word
is
frenetic,
it's
a
little
fanatic
and
I
think
you
would
be.
I
think
you
would
benefit
from
setting
some
rules
as
to
you
know
how
the
materials
come
together
where
the
materials
come
together.
You
know,
there's
a
there's,
a
there's,
a
really
interesting.
M
M
You
know
it's
you,
you
have
a
you,
have
a
small
threshold,
I'm
you
know
moving.
You
know
left
to
right.
You
have
a
small
threshold
into
the
retail
and
you've
got
the
retail
window
bumped
out.
Then
you
got
the
big
entrance
into
the
garage.
Then
you
have
a
deep
recess
for
the
entry
and
then
it
goes
back
out.
You
know.
Could
all
of
that
move
back
to
at
least
you
know
like
take
the
take
the
the
line.
M
M
At
least
that
gets
a
little
bit
of
you
know
blends
in
a
little
bit
better
by
having
more
depth
more.
You
know
more
spatial
depth
along
that
front.
At
that
whole
front
and
then
going
up,
you
know
to
floors
three
and
four
there's
a
two
balconies
there
is
that
is
there
an
opportunity
there
and
I
know
I-
I
looked
at
the
floor
plan
and
I
know
how
that
unit
is
laid
out.
M
So
I
know
that
you're
you're
trying
to
come
into
the
living
room
and
then
you've
got
the
dining
room
and
and
and
the
kitchen
beyond,
which
is
the
natural
way
to
enter
an
apartment
or
or
a
room.
You
know
a
space
whatever,
but
is
there
an
opportunity
there
to
flip
that?
So
you
can
take
that
you
know
that
balcony
and
actually
push
it
against
the
vertical
element
to
allow
that
vertical
element
to
get.
M
You
know
a
little
bit
more
expression
and
I
don't
know
what
that
you
know
what
happens
when
you
look
at
the
other
side
once
you
do
that,
but
that
I
think
you
know
that's.
Those
are
my
comments.
I
think
the
the
biggest
thing
is
that
I
think
I
think
it
needs
some
rules,
get
a
system
of
rules
in
place
and
and
let
that
because
it
it
has
a
lot
of
opportunity
for
that.
You
know,
like
I
said
lots
of
you
know
lots
of
recesses.
M
O
Hey
good
morning,
everyone
or
afternoon
this
is
brian
goldman
attorney
in
asheville.
I
spoke
a
few
meetings
ago
when
this
was
again
up
for
consideration
in
informal
review.
I
just
first
want
to
thank
the
committee
for
letting
us
speak
at
this
time.
I
do
represent
the
folks
that
own
property
at
52
broadway,
so
just
up
the
street
just
a
little
bit
south
of
72
broadway
and
thanks
to
architects
for
modifying
that
main
entrance
off
broadway
street
from
the
back
alley.
O
Again,
I
was
I
I
just
want
to
reiterate
that
that
we
don't
think
that
the
access
up
the
alley
is
a
appropriate
nor
legal
in
the
sense
of
rights
that
the
hotel
sits
on
a
couple
of
lots.
Three
in
particular
lots,
seven
and
or
eight
and
nine,
and
then
a
big
lot
lot
number
three:
the
the
access,
the
deeded
access
that
lot
three
has
not
only
off
of
broadway
is
through
a
10-foot
alley
behind
the
masonic
temple,
and
so
I
I
do
appreciate
that
they
are
changing.
O
The
architects
have
indicated
that
they're
changing
that
alleyway
access
to
just
a
service
entrance.
I
still
don't
think
that
they've
got
the
legal
right
to
do
it
and,
moreover-
and
more
importantly,
is
that's
not
a
city
maintained
public
alley
and
or
street.
There
is
no
power
bill
funding
that
the
city
gets
to
maintain
that
street
the
power
bill,
funds
money
to
municipalities
so
that
they
can
maintain
repair
and
construct
streets.
O
A
M
Do
we
have
any
information
or
any
movement
or
any
plan
on
updates
to
the
design
guidelines?
I
know
we've
talked
about.
We've
talked
about
that
stuff
in
in
downtown
commission.
We
talked
about
it
here
as
well,
how
they're
outdated-
and
you
know,
I've
you
know,
reading
through
some
of
them,
I'm
I'm
seeing
things
that
are
actually
in
in
conflict
with
some
of
the
things
that
we're
talking
about
these
days,
for
example
the
uplighting.
M
G
Yeah
and
as
staff,
I
don't
have
an
update
at
this
time.
I
know
it
remains
a
priority
to
update
both
the
downtown
design
guidelines
and
the
riverfront
district
design
guidelines.
I
can,
I
can
check
with
our
director
and
get
back
to
you
about
what
might
be
a
feasible
time
frame,
but
you
know,
obviously
that's
something
that
everyone
agrees
is
a
priority
that
we
can
start.
I
think,
making
some
progress
on
it.