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B
Good
afternoon,
everybody
today
is:
may
31st
2022
transit
committee
meeting
from
five
to
seven.
The
virtual
meeting
go
ahead,
take
roll
call
and,
let's
start
off
with
sandy
aldridge.
B
That's
a
good
thing:
georgia,
burks.
B
Thank
you
all
for
being
here
on
this
day
and
I'll
go
ahead
and
read
the
welcome
announcement
as
we'll
get
into
our
agenda.
In
a
little
bit
welcome
to
the
ashford
transit
committee.
We
normally
meet
on
the
third
tuesday
of
the
month
in
city
hall,
but
we're
meeting
virtually
and
we're
meeting
now
from
5
pm
7.
B
Are
taken
into
consideration
by
sitting
public
transit
policy
and
in
our
call
to
order
we'll
go
ahead
and
everybody
has.
Hopefully
everybody
has
reviewed
the
minutes
for
today
and
the
minutes
for
april
19th.
D
I
B
Have
no
public
comment
on
this
meeting
so
before
gold?
The
public
comment
input
for
the
meetings,
the
comment,
the
standards
and
opportunities.
B
The
n3
reduce
schedule,
w6
reduced
schedule.
Can
I
get
a
member
of
staff
lashon?
Are
you
there
or
barry.
J
This
is
again
there
have
been
if
you're
signed
up
for
writer
alerts,
so
getting
emails
or
texts.
You
will
have
already
been
aware
of
this,
but
we
just
wanted
to
make
sure
you're
all
aware
that
there
have
been
there's
reduced
service
or
reduced
frequency
on
the
n3
and
the
w6
routes
similar
to
the
w
or
the
we
won.
J
J
H
With
other
routes
and
things.
K
We
wanted
to
do
and,
and,
as
you
know,
we
continue
to
have
driver
shortages
that
are
impacting
other
routes
as
well
and,
having
intermittent,
I
guess,
is
the
best
way
to
say
it.
Trip
trip
reductions
based
on
the
daily
call
outs
is
really
what
kind
of
leads
to
some
of
these
last
minute
trips,
but
but
the
the
reduction
that
we
put
in
place
for
the
m3
and
the
w6
and
the
we
one
were
meant
to
try
to
have
some
more
predictability
and
and
cuts.
K
But
you
continue
to
see
intermittent
cuts
throughout
the
week
depending
on
drivers.
So
you
know
we're
working
very,
very
hard
to
try
to
get
additional
drivers
and
I
think,
we're
seeing
an
uptick
in
applications,
so
we're
crossing
our
fingers
that
we
can
put
some
of
these
routes
back
into
service.
As
soon
as
we
can.
B
Shortage
last
finger
that
I
got
was
somewhere
around
nine.
Do
we
have
more
drive
more
than
nine
now
for
sure.
A
G
Currently,
we
would
like
to
have
a
full
board
full
complement
of
operators,
we'd
like
to
be
at
63
and
we're
sitting
at
51.,
so
it's
a
little
higher
than
the
nine
can
we
operate
the
service,
we're
not
operating
right
now,
if
we
have
an
additional
seven
to
eight
drivers?
Yes,
so
that's
the
objective.
We
can
get
some
more
on
board
and
if
we
can
pick
away
at
it,
we
will-
and
there
is
kind
of
talk
in
this
presentation
a
little
bit
later
about
where
we
are
with
our
numbers.
G
G
So
we're
doing
everything
that
we
can
we've
actually
hired
a
trucking
firm
to
do
our
final
certifications
for
the
drivers
kind
of
got
out
of
the
box
there,
and
they
can
work
with
us
on
that.
So
we
have,
I
guess
I
can
hit
on
it
now.
If
you'd
like,
we
have
five
drivers
in
the
pipe
right
now,
one
had
left
us
for
a
week.
It
appears
she'll
be
back.
G
We'll
have
her
on
the
road
by
this
weekend
is
what
it
looks
like
so
there's
actually,
six
people
in
training
and
five
of
those
need
their
cdl
certifications.
G
They
are
currently
scheduled
to
get
those
certifications
on
the
10th
of
june
and
then
they've
been
riding
routes
and
driving
routes
and
doing
behind
the
wheel
certification,
so
they'll
be
ready
to
go
when
it
comes
time
once
they
do
get
their
cdls
and
then
we
will
put
them
out
on
routes
doing
revenue,
training
cadet.
We
call
it
cadet
training
with
other
drivers
on
the
routes
that
they
need
to
know
and
learn.
G
But
timing
is
everything
and
if
we
can
get
these
six
through
in
the
next
week
week
and
a
half
we'll
look
at
what
possibilities
there
are
well
if
they
don't
go
till
june
10th,
so
we're
looking,
probably
midweek
to
late
the
week
after
before
they're
ready
to
go
on
their
own
and
when
they
are,
we
will
look
at
seeing
what
kind
of
some
of
this
service
we
can
put
back
in.
At
that
point,
that's
our
objective.
I
D
All
right
so
and
then,
if
they
have
their
cdl,
what
is
that?
How
long
does
it
usually
take
to
train
if
they
they
have
their
cdl.
G
Depending
on
whether
they're
a
local
or
not
learning
the
system
and
understanding
the
routes,
you
know
they
can
be
possibly
done
in
four
weeks,
we're
not
getting
a
lot
of
local
people,
it's
people
that
are
moving
into
the
area,
so
it
it'll
take
an
additional
week
to
get
them
familiar
with
all
the
routes
that
they'd
be
running.
I
F
F
With
regards
to
the
reduction
in
service,
was
there
a
methodology
in
determining
the
reduction
in
which
which
routes
to
reduce
and
how
to
reduce,
et
cetera.
J
K
So,
of
course,
there's
a
methodology,
primarily
what
we
looked
at
first
was
frequency,
so
we
didn't
want
to
cut
a
route
completely
that
wouldn't
so.
We
wouldn't
serve
an
area
at
all.
So
if
a
route
had
multiple
frequency
per
hour,
then
cutting
it
in
half
or
you
know,
reducing
the
frequency
we
deem
to
be
a
slightly
less
impactful
choice,
so
the
routes
that
we've
cut
right
now
had
multiple
frequency
per
hour,
and
then
we
also
looked
at
the
number
of
drivers
that
are
necessary
for
those
routes.
K
K
One
driver
drives
both
of
those
routes
and
kind
of
in
a
continuous
loop,
and
so
we
look
at
you
know
the
inner
lining
as
well
and
and
just
trying
to
focus
on
routes
that
hopefully
will
have
the
least
impact
overall,
but
recognizing
that
any
cuts
in
service
have
a
huge
impact
on
people
and
just
real
quick.
K
I
wanted
to
follow
up
on
one
one
of
john's
questions,
so
you
know
we
have
not
just
driver
shortages,
but
shortages
with
supervisors
and
dispatchers,
and
so
typically,
our
goal
is
to
move
drivers
up
into
dispatch
or
supervisor
role.
K
So
most
recently
we
did
promote
some
existing
drivers
into
a
supervisor
or
dispatcher
role,
which
then
created
an
additional
backfilling
necessary
for
drivers,
so
so
51
we
still
have
51,
but
that
also
accounts
for
a
couple
people
moving
into
a
higher
higher
role.
F
G
G
You
know,
there's
always
talk
of
oh
well,
we
can
make
them
sign.
A
document
says
we
trained
you
and
it
cost
this
much
and
all
that
good
stuff.
But
quite
honestly,
none
of
that
works
by
the
time
you
start
going
down
the
legal
path.
So
the
objective
is
to
you
know
to
continue
to
make
this
a
place.
People
want
to
be.
We
haven't
had
massive
turnover
recently,
it
is
just
it
is.
G
You
know,
trickled
down,
we've
had
a
couple
of
retirements
we've
had
we've
had
a
couple
people
that
just
just
don't
want
to
do
this
anymore,
and
then
our
competition
is
truck
driving
out
there
and
truck
driving
in
this
region
is
fighting
for
every
driver
they
can
get
and
they
have
done
a
ton
of
things
with
wages
which
which
we
can
we
can.
We
could
go
we've
gone
up.
G
G
We
can
for
retention
and,
and
we
and
we
keep
going
at
it,
we
don't
we
don't.
I
know
right
now.
G
I
am
aware
of
one
driver
who
is
thinking
of
retiring
and
that's
the
only
one
I
know
of
right
now.
That's
looking
at
moving
away
from
us
at
this
point,
so.
J
G
We're
watching
that
closely
as
well,
because
retention
is
extremely
important,
always
has
been,
and
you
know
the
drivers.
We
have
do
a
good
job
and
we
want
to
keep
them
out
there.
They
want
to
keep
them
with
us.
So.
G
G
So
you
know
that's
that's
six
days
and
and
sunday
only
because
we
start
a
little
later
and
cut
off
a
little
earlier.
Otherwise,
there's
19
buses
out
there
all
day,
just
like
a
saturday
just
like
monday
through
friday.
So
it's
it's
a
challenge
to
get
everything
covered
and,
as
jessica
said,
we've
had,
depending
on
call
offs,
and
quite
honestly,
this
last
weekend
was
was
a
bear
and
and
when
you,
when
you
think
back
over
the
last
year,
all
of
these
people
have
busted
their
fannies
trying
to
be
sure
that
we're
putting
the
service
out
there.
A
A
All
right,
so
what
I
wanted
to
talk
about
with
you.
K
Guys
today
is
a
little
bit
about
our
operating
budget
and
just
to
note
operating
is
different
from
capital.
So
I'm
not
going
to
talk
about
our
budget
when
it
comes
to
buying
buses
or
putting
in
bus
shelters
or
fixing
fixing
our
transit
center,
or
any
of
that.
K
This
is
just
about
operation,
so
the
driving,
mostly
the
driving
of
the
bus
buses
and
the
maintenance
of
the
system
and
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
past
several
years
and
the
year
the
current
fiscal
year
that
we're
in
right
now
fy
22,
which
is
about
to
end
here
on
june
30th.
K
K
The
largest
source
of
funding
for
transit
is
coming
from
our
city's
general
fund
and
our
general
fund
is
essentially
made
up
of
property
taxes
and
sales
taxes
and
some
other
other
sources
that
the
city
gets
and
the
general
fund
pays
for.
Basically,
every
everything
that
doesn't
have
some
kind
of
revenue
source
on
its
own
and
so
in
our
table.
K
Here
you
can
see
the
last
several
years
and
you
can
see
that
back
in
2016,
the
general
fund
was
only
providing
1.7
million
dollars
fast
forward
to
this
year
that
we're
currently
in
you
can
see
where
general
funds
up
to
almost
7
million
dollars.
So
there's
been
a
significant
increase
in
them
in
the
money.
That's
coming
from
the
city's
general
fund
and
those
increases
are
primarily
for
a
couple
reasons.
K
K
I
guess
revenue
sources,
which
is
federal,
transit
administration
revenue,
so
that's
federal
money
that
we
get
every
year
and
then
we
also
get
some
money
from
the
state
state
of
north
carolina
as
well,
and
so
I
you
know,
looking
at
fy
22,
we
got
about
2.6
million
between
both
the
fed
and
the
state,
and
if
you
look
at
the
totals,
as
you
go
from
2016
to
22,
they
kind
of
bounce
around
a
little
bit,
we
get
more
state
revenue
now
than
we
used
to.
K
We
get
less
federal
revenue
than
we
used
to,
and
part
of
that
is
because
one
of
those
sources
of
revenue
are
urban.
Urbanized
grants
section
5307
those
get
distributed
actually
by
the
local
or
the
regional
planning
agency
and
so
they're
the
ones
that
determine
how
some
of
those
funds
get
divvied
up
and
several
years
ago,
the
formula
that
they
used
to
divvy
those
funds
up
amongst
the
region
was
altered
and
resulted
in
asheville,
asheville's
transit
system,
getting
less
money
and
other
regional
transit
systems
like
buncombe
county
henderson,
county
hendersonville.
K
You
see
in
2021,
we
got
zero
revenue
from
the
state
that
was
covid
and
the
state
budget
was
bad,
and
so
they
cut
that
that
funding
from
us
that
year,
which
was
a
significant
loss
for
us,
we
had
to
use,
cares
act.
Revenue
to
plug
that
gap
and
we've
had
to
use,
cares,
act
and
arpa
month
money
to
plug
plus
other
gaps,
which
I'll
talk
about
in
a
little
bit
as
well.
A
K
Also
have
some
other
what
I
call
miscellaneous
revenue.
That's
not
super
substantial,
but
somewhat
helpful.
We
do
get
some
motor
vehicle
registration
funding,
that's
about
360
a
year.
We
do.
We
do
sell
advertising
on
the
buses,
that's
pretty
minimal
in
terms
of
revenue
and
we
sell
buses
once
they've
reached
their
end
of
their
useful
life.
But
that
brings
in
barely
anything.
K
This
is
gives
us
about
13
to
15
of
our
of
our
revenue
and
that's
not
abnormal
very
normal
for
transit
systems
to
not
pay
for
themselves
in
terms
of
fares.
If
they,
if
we
charge
the
fare
that
covered
the
entire
cost
of
transit,
nobody
would
be
able
to
afford
to
ride
it.
So
it's
heavily
subsidized,
as
you
can
see
by
by
other
sources
of
revenue,
the
red
line
and
well
the
yellow
line
and
the
red
line
account
for
covid.
K
So
you
can
see
in
2021
our
fair
revenue
was
very
low
and
these
are
fiscal
years
by
the
way,
and
so
you
know
because
we,
we
went
zero
fare
for
a
significant
portion
of
covet
and
you
can
see
that
our
2022,
so
our
current
fiscal
year
fares
are
trending
back
up
again.
However,
we
expect
to
be
substantially
lower
than
we
were
in
pre-covered
years.
K
So
moving
on
to
the
expense
side
of
the
equation,
I
didn't
total
these
up,
but
I
just
wanted
to
show
you.
These
are
the
big
expenses.
K
Ritp
does
our
contract
with
them
annually
and
that
covers
the
maintenance,
the
operations
essentially
every
driver,
every
mechanic,
every
customer
service,
rep
every
part
and
tire,
and
all
the
things
that
go
on
to
a
bus
as
part
of
maintenance
and
preventative
maintenance.
Those
are
all
put
into
one
giant
contract
and
you
can
see
between
2019
when
ritp
does
came
on
board
with
the
city
and
now
that
contract
cost
has
increased.
K
Paratransit
is
a
contract
that
we,
the
city,
does
with
the
county,
and
we
are
federally
obligated
to
provide
paratransit
service
and
you
can
see
that
those
costs
have
risen
over
the
years
this
past
year
and
this
past
year
it's
gotten
gone
down
a
little
bit
and
next
year
we
expect
it
to
be
lower
than
it
than
its
peak,
mostly
because
of
covid,
and
you
know,
we
expect
that
those
those
costs
will
eventually
go
back
to
what
what
they
were
pre-covered
building
in
equipment,
maintenance
and
repair.
K
The
red,
the
red
number,
seven
hundred
thousand,
that's
what
we're
estimating
for
fuel
disc
this
year,
so
that
was
is
way
is
coming
in
way
higher
than
what
we
originally
budgeted
for.
As
you
know,
you
know,
fuel
costs
have
been
going
up
a
lot
and
that's
had
a
big
impact
on
our
budget.
For
this
current
fiscal
year.
K
The
next
line
item
is
city
staff,
and
so
that's
like
our
transit
planning
manager,
that's
haley,
that's
amy,
that's
a
grant
manager,
you
know
basically
four
people
and
you
know
training
and
what
else?
All
of
the
all
of
the
things
that
it
costs
to
have
these
transit
staff
with
the
city
who
are
working
with
rit
tv
or
tpdav
on
a
daily
basis,
contracted
services
is
is
referring
to
primarily,
I
would
say,
are
technology-based.
K
Items,
if
you
will
so
the
software
and
systems
that
we
have
on
our
buses,
that
track
the
buses
for
the
gps
systems
and
the
software
to
do
that.
Our
our
scheduling
software,
the
software
that's
used
to
run
the
head
signs
on
the
buses
that
tell
you
what
bus
number
it
is.
We've
probably
got
between.
K
That's
been
about
1.6
million
coming
from
parking,
but
parking
has
been
essentially
operating
in
the
red
last
two
years,
primarily
do
the
covid
and
our
the
parking
fund
is
about
well,
it's
it's
definitely
a
couple
million
dollars
short
so
by
law.
If,
if
a
parking
fund
can't
support
its
own
operation,
that
can't
give
money
over
to
another
purpose
this
year,
unfortunately,
parking
is
not
going
to
be
able
to
make
that
contribution,
which
results
in
a
big
hole
in
our
revenue
for
transit.
K
So,
all
in
all,
what
we're
looking
at
for
the
close
of
this
fiscal
year
is
a
one
million
dollar
shortfall,
and
so
we,
you
know
we
had
received
about
1.8
million
dollars
from
the
american
rescue
plan
act
and
last
year
we
had
had
and
budgeted
one
million
dollars
of
that
to
be
used
to
go
towards
the
expansion
that
we
wanted
to
and
plan
to
do
this
past
october.
K
But
couldn't
do
because
we
didn't
have
enough
drivers.
Unfortunately,
what
that
means
is
that
that
one
million
dollars
that
we've
sort
of
earmarked
for
that
expansion
is
now
going
to
have
to
help
fill
our
budget
shortfall
this
year.
So
I'm
thankful.
We
have
arpa
to
help
backfill
that
hole
that
we
got,
that
those
stimulus
funds
to
help
us
offset
that
hole.
K
But
what
we're
looking
at
is
you
know,
even
if
we
had
the
drivers
in
hand
to
do
that
expansion
of
service,
we
wouldn't
necessarily
have
the
funding
for
it.
A
K
You
know
some
as
we
talked
about
staffing
shortages,
not
just
drivers,
it's
all
of
our
staff
and
that's
our
you
know,
city
planning
staff
as
well
too
so
we're
supposed
to
have
four
ftes
in
the
city
for
transit.
We've
got
two
right
now
we're
working
on
filling
those
holes,
but
it's
it's
just
as
difficult
to
hire.
People
on
the
city
side
as
it
is
to
hire
really
in
any
organization
right
now.
K
Asheville
is
now
the
highest
cost
of
living
in
the
state,
so
that
doesn't
really
help
our
wages
can't
really
go
up
as
quickly
as
the
cost
of
living
goes
up,
and
so
that's
a
that's.
A
challenge.
K
Cvl
driving
shortage,
that's
been
going
on
for
years
even
before
covid
and
we
can't
really
match
the
market
rate
for
cdl
drivers
right
now,
and
so
you
know,
the
end
result
is
that
we
have
turnover.
K
K
So
so
yeah,
so
the
one
million
dollars
that
we
had
originally
earmarked
to
help
our
service
expansion
that
we
didn't
implement
last
october.
Unfortunately,
we
have
to
use
that
to
fill
our
budget
gap
for
this
year.
K
So
so
for
next
year,
which
starts
july
1st,
we're
we're
basically
saying
that
we
cannot
expand
our
system
until
we
get
not
only
more
drivers
but
and
more
staff,
but
additional
revenue.
The
city's
general
fund
really
can't
really
can't
afford
or
doesn't
have
the
capacity
to
continue
to
increase
its
contribution
substantially.
K
K
K
So
we
are
budgeting
in
some
parking
revenue
to
be
contributed
this
year
this
coming
year,
so
instead
of
1.6
million
we're
looking
at
transferring
1
million
from
parking.
Hopefully
that
can
be
done,
assuming
that
our
parking
revenues
bounce
back
a
lot
more
than
they
have
and
essentially
what
this
all
means
is
that
our
expenses
are
going
up.
K
K
It's
not
really,
you
know
anybody's
preference
to
use
one-time
stimulus
money
for
for
ongoing
costs,
but
it's
not
it's
a
necessity.
If
we
don't
want
to
cut
our
transit
service
substantially
and
we
want
to
try
to
keep
our
transit
drivers
and
other
transit
workers
here.
So
it's
a
stopgap
measure.
Hopefully
it
works;
hopefully
everything
gets
better
and
back
to
normal
soon,
but
we're
definitely
in
an
extremely
challenging
time,
as
I
think
everybody
knows.
A
So
that's.
K
B
Jessica,
I
had
one
take
my
hand
over
there,
since
we
are
down
on
revenue
and
I'll
ask:
are
we
still
in
the
mark
for
looking
for
a
place?
Another
transit?
You
know
another
maintenance
facility.
K
And
yes,
and
no,
we
do
need
another
facility.
I
would
say
that
that
is
besides
money.
There
I
mean.
Really
money
is
the
only
barrier
here,
a
new
maintenance
facility.
We
need
it
in
order
to
expand
our
service
right
now.
The
garage
is
50
years
old.
K
K
Land
is
at
a
premium,
so
you
know
I
guess
the
answer
is
no.
We
don't
have
anything
on
the
immediate
horizon,
but
we,
you
know,
will
still
look
for
every
opportunity.
We
can.
I
think
great
I
mean
that
grants
a
major
grant
from
the
feds
is
pretty
much
the
only
way
that
we're
going
to
be
able
to
get
get
a
major
project
like
that
done.
So
that's
a
big
barrier
for
us.
K
K
Well,
I
mean
yeah,
it's
a
challenge,
we're
trying
to
make
space
anywhere.
We
can
you
know
some
of
the
buses
that
we
buy
are
replacing
existing
old
buses.
So
our
fleet
total
fleet
size
is
not
getting
a
lot
bigger,
but
we,
you
know
we
may
have
to
start
parking
some
buses
at
the
parking
lot
next
door
to
the
transit
center.
K
F
K
I
will
say,
though,
that
you
know
parking
parking,
has
its
own
major
needs
in
terms
of
our
garages
and
they're
their
needs.
We've
got
four
city
parking
garages,
one
of
them
is
50
years
old,
two
of
them
are
35
years
old,
and
so
those
things
have
to
be
maintained
as
well.
You
know,
so
you
know
overall.
I
I
would
like
to
see
if
I
had
my
parking
hat
on
I'd
like
to
see
parking,
reduce
its
contribution
to
transit,
so
that
it
could
squirrel
away
some
more
money
for
long-term
maintenance
of
garages,
but
anyways.
K
I
C
Successful
with
that
so
switching
up
a
little
bit,
but
still
on
the
same
subject
as
far
as
budgeting
in
the
past,
I
believe
there
was
a
contract
with
apd
to
provide
safety
for
the
arch
station.
C
K
K
K
However,
even
that's
been
a
challenge
to
staff,
because
those
private
security
companies
can't
find
workers
either
and
they're,
also
unarmed,
so
they
have
slightly
less
ability,
I
think
to
well
I
I
guess
they
don't
maybe
have
as
much
of
a
presence.
If
you
will
so
you
know,
I
think
that
something
as
apd's
budget
and
staffing
numbers
get
better.
It
could
be
something
that
we
explore
again
is
trying
to
employ
their
services
again,
but
we
recognize
it.
It's
been
challenging.
K
There
one
thing
that
we
have
been
exploring
and
we
actually
submitted
a
grant
application
to
the
city
to
use
arpa
money
for,
but
it
wasn't
awarded.
Unfortunately,
we
worked
with
better
buses
together
and
anchor,
which
is
a
non-profit
who
we
came
up
with
a
proposal
to
have
community.
K
I
forget
what
what
the
term
was,
but
essentially
like
community
resource
people
that
could
be
there,
not
necessarily
for
security,
but
to
help
people
have
access
to
services
and
needs,
and
so,
unfortunately,
that
wasn't
funded.
We
still
want
to
explore
that
and
see
if
we
can
put
that
program
in
place
somehow,
but
that's
the
only
option
that
we've
explored
so
far
outside
of
contracted
security
or
apd.
E
E
K
Yeah,
well,
yes,
they
have
to
be.
We
have
to
have
a
balanced
budget
so
but
the
the
driving
cost
of
transit
is
the
personnel
and
the
drivers
and
yeah
so
yeah.
So
anytime
we
increase
service
or
even
just
keep
the
same
service
we
have,
but
things
get
more
expensive.
E
K
I
would
say:
yes,
I
can't
I
I
can't
off
the
top
of
my
head:
go
back
and
and
recall
what
the
number
of
service
hours
were
back
then,
but
I
can
tell
you
that
between
2019
and
2020
so
january
5th
of
2020,
we
implemented
a
25
service
increase
that
was
probably
the
biggest
year
over
year
increase
in
service.
K
E
Okay,
because
it
sounds
like
I
mean,
if
everything's
linear,
we
must
have
a
whole
lot
more
service
now
than
we
did
seven
years
ago,
and
and
that
that
should
be
impressive,
because
we
in
these
calls
we're
talking
about
dropping.
You
know
a
portion
of
one
route,
which
is
a
portion
of
1
19
of
the
system
right,
so
we're
talking
about
taking
away
like
five
percent
per
route
or
something
or
rough
numbers,
but
just
in
the
grand
scheme
of
things
we're
three
or
so
times
more.
K
I
think
generally
yeah,
I
think,
you're.
I
think
you
are,
and
you
know
one
thing
that
we
could
add
to
this
presentation.
That
would
help
is
a
comparison
of
the
revenue
hour
so
like,
for
example,
right
now
we're
running,
I
think
101
000,
so
this
hour
of
the
year,
and
we
could
show
you
know
what,
how
many
revenue
hours
were
we
running
each
year?
Previous,
that's
really
the
the
number
that
changes
or
is
easy,
the
easiest
to
understand
in
terms
of
the
service
that's
being
provided.
K
How
many
revenue
service
hours
is
the
system
running,
so
we
could
go
back
and
add
that
information
that
would
help
you
help
understand
the
scale
of
the
service
year
after
year.
E
E
K
That
is
equally
as
challenging,
although
I
would
say
it's
easier
to
get
capital
money
than
it
is
to
get
operational
money
in
general,
because
there's.
K
K
We
apply
every
year
for
discretionary
grants.
Discretionary
is
just
another
word
for
apply
competitively
and
pray
that
you
get
an
award,
but
you
probably
won't
get
awarded
because
you're
competing
against
a
whole
bunch
of
other
agencies,
so
grant
grants
is
a
place
and
in
those
cases,
when
you
do
get
lucky
enough
to
get
an
award,
the
fed
will
pay
80
percent
of
the
cost
and
the
city
is
responsible
for
20
of
the
cost,
and
we've
been
fortunate
to
receive
some
grants
over
the
past
several
years
that
have
allowed
us
to
purchase
buses.
K
But
we
just
I
think
this
year
spent
the
last
of
our
remaining
grant
funds
and
so
we're
trying
desperately
to
find
more
funds
for
buses,
yeah,
so
capital
improvement
program.
The
city's
capital
improvement
program
is
what
will
help
fund
that
20
or
if
we
need
to
buy
buses,
and
we
don't
have
grant
funds,
then
the
capital
improvement
program
can
help.
But
this
too
is
very
constrained.
A
K
It
was
also
operated
under
contract
with
a
different
provider,
but
the
contract
was
vastly
different.
It
was
just
for
the
essentially
just
for
the
management
and
the
operational
staff,
but
all
of
the
expenses
related
to
maintaining
the
buses
were
not
in
contract.
They
were
just
direct
funded
by
the
city.
So
it's
difficult
to
do
like
a
apples
to
apples.
K
Comparison
of
the
contracts
cost
because
they're
so
differently
set
up,
so
the
contract
type
that
we
have
now
we
call
it
a
turnkey,
and
so
it's
essentially
the
whole
kit
in
caboodle
goes
into
that
contract
and
they
they
under
that
contract.
They
do
all
the
maintenance
they
pay
for
all
the
parts
we
give
them
a
bus.
The
city
owns
the
bus
and
we
give
them
the
buses
to
run,
but
then
pretty
much
every
cost
after
that
is
on
the
contract
through
the
contract.
F
Okay
and
then
on
the
routes
and-
and
you
know,
there's
plenty
of
rumors
out
there,
so
I
had
heard
that
at
one
time,
unc
asheville
provided
some
funding
for
the
buses
that
for
n1
and
n2
that
go
up
around
unc
and
then
at
some
point
in
time.
They
decided
they
didn't
want
to
help
anymore
because
they
have
their
own
little
service,
but
didn't
wanted
him
to
still
do.
That
is
that?
Is
there
any
truth
to
that?
Rumor
and
I
guess,
do
we?
K
K
I
would
say
that
unca
contributes
very
little,
and
it's
really
just
for
that
late
night
service
on
weekends,
and
it's
only
during
when
school's
in
session
too.
So
when
it's
not
in
session,
we
don't
run
it
and
they
don't
pay
for
it,
but
they
have
resumed
paying
for
it.
K
K
K
So
you
know
we're
we're
attempting
to
recoup
some
costs
for
service.
That's
provided
outside
of
the
city,
it's
somewhat
piecemeal,
for
example
like
the
s3
and
the
s6.
We
don't.
We
haven't
requested
any
funding
support
from
the
county,
but
if
you
look
at
the
route
it
kind
of
goes
in
the
in
the
city
out
in
out,
because
the
way
the
boundaries
of
the
city
limit
kind
of
goes
in
and
out
on
that
route.
So
that's
kind
of
where
we're
at
right
now,
with
outside
funding,
support.
F
B
We'll
move
right
along
excuse
me.
Well,
the
fta
section
550.
J
K
Sure
I'll
go
ahead
and
take
it
haley
if
you
want,
if,
if
you
want
to
chime
in
on
anything,
let
me
know,
but,
as
I
was
saying
in
the
last
agenda
item,
we
we
attempt
to
get
grant
funding
whenever,
wherever
we
can.
Every
year
the
federal
transit
administration
has
a
competitive
grant
opportunity
for
well,
they
have
two
opportunities:
one
is
called
the
low
or
no
emissions
grant
program
and
the
other
one
is
called
the
buses
and
bus
facilities
grant
program
this
year.
K
K
K
We
wouldn't
be
considered
a
replacement
bus,
but
would
help
us,
just
in
general,
with
our
fleet
and
our
maintenance
of
our
fleet
and
trying
to
keep
it
in
a
state
of
good
repair,
as
the
feds
like
to
call
it,
and
we
also
in
our
application,
asked
for
funding
to
allow
us
to
buy
three
replacement
batteries
for
our
hybrid
buses
that
are
are
not
quite
at
their
useful
light
and
their
useful
life,
but
will
be
in
the
next
few
years.
K
So
the
total
that
we
asked
for
was
about
five
million
dollars.
The
city's
match
would
be
20
of
that,
so
it
worked
out
to
be
about
750
000.
K
The
council
approved,
are
us
applying
for
the
grant
at
their
meeting
on
the
24th,
and
you
know
before
anybody
asked
I'll
say
you
know
the
reason
that
we're
applying
for
hybrid
buses
and
not
electric
buses
for
you,
for
those
of
you
that
are
newer,
is
because
nobody
in
the
industry
yet
is
making
a
30-foot
electric
bus
and
that's
really
the
size
that
is
kind
of
the
maximum
size
that
we
can
comfortably
drive
on
all
of
our
routes
without
having
problems.
K
The
five
electric
buses
that
we
have
are,
unfortunately
a
little
bit
too
big
for
many
of
our
routes,
so
it's
limited
our
use.
The
other
issue
that
we
have
had
with
electrics
here
is
that
we
can
only
get
a
portion
of
the
day's
use
out
of
them
due
to
limitations
and
charging
ability.
So
you
know
our
primary
goal
with
our
very
limited
funding.
K
K
K
B
I'm
glad
you're
good
yeah
funding,
okay,
move
right
along
staffing
for
our
atpd
deal.
Barry.
Would
you
like
to
enlighten
us.
B
G
Of
what
we've
got
going
on
earlier
and
you
know,
we've
hired
a
full-time
recruiter,
we
we,
we
still
have
a
higher
bonus.
We
still
have
a
referral
bonus
for
our
current
employees.
I
I
was
asked
to
speak
at
the
city
council
meeting
earlier
this
month,
and
you
know,
basically
is
this
the
let's?
Let's
put
it
this
way,
is
this
the
magic
bus?
No,
I
don't
know
that
it
is.
G
I
don't
know
any
of
us
have
all
of
the
the
right
answers,
but
the
industry
has
really
been
suffering
the
last
18
months
countrywide
and
I
think
we're
fortunate
to
be
where
we
are
and
and
very
fortunate
to
have
right
now,
12
people
in
a
pipe.
G
You
know
two
three
months
ago,
we
didn't
have
anybody
in
the
pipe
we
weren't
able
to
get
anybody
attracted
to
do
this
work.
So
we're
encouraged
by
that
we're
excited
by
that
and
hoping
to
continue
that
trend.
B
J
Yeah,
there's
not
too
much
new
to
report
on
this
for
anyone
who's
new
which,
by
the
way,
welcomed
colin,
so
the
city
was
awarded
a
million
dollar
grant
to
make
bus,
stop
improvements
across
our
system.
So
looking
at
things
like
new
shelters,
new
seating
lighting,
new
signage
opportunities.
J
J
We've
replaced,
I
think,
five
of
those
with
new
shelters,
some
shelters
were
able
to
just
take
out
the
old
plexi
glass,
which
we
know
a
lot
of
that
looks
pretty
rough
around
the
city,
but
we've
been
able
to
replace
some
of
that
and
retrofit
those
with
new
glass
but
yeah.
Most
recently,
we
were
working
on
an
rfp
for
some
different
lighting
solutions
where
it's
basically
a
pole
next
to
the
stop
or
the
shelter,
and
sometimes
it
would
be
standalone
lighting
and
other.
J
In
other
cases,
we're
going
to
have
these
small
little
seats
for
people
to
sit
at
as
well,
rather
than
a
full
bench
where
some
in
some
places
in
some
stops,
there's
not
room
for
that.
But
we
finished
the
rfp.
But
we
have
to
wait
until
the
next
budget
next
fiscal
year,
so
basically
in
july,
to
actually
put
that
rfp
out
and,
in
the
meantime,
we're
going
to
start
working
on
some
other
rfps.
For
things
like
new
benches
and
things
like
that,
so
no
big
update,
but
we
are
moving
forward
with
that.
K
K
That
will
be,
I
think,
by
the
end
of
july
and
we'll
be
getting
giving
them
back
those
ugly
loaner
buses
that
have
been
on
a
part
of
our
fleet
for
the
last
couple
years
when
we
get
those
new
buses
from
them
and
then
we
also
have
three
gillig
diesel
buses
that
are
going
to
be
delivered.
I
think
this
fall,
I
think
by
september.
K
If
I
remember
correctly
so
you
know,
we
try
to
place
orders
every
year
to
keep
up
with
those
that
we
have
to
retire
and
that's
a
challenge
when
we
don't
have
the
funds
for
it.
But
we've
got
some
new
buses
coming
in
and
hopefully
get
this
grant
to
get
us
some
more
next
year.
C
I
was
just
wondering
real
quickly:
where
are
yes
harvey?
Where
are
the
buses
being
delivered
from.
K
Gillig,
buses,
gillig's
the
company
and
they're
based
out
of
california.
So
when
we
order
a
bus
from
gillig,
they
build
it
in
california
and
then
they
deliver
it
to
us
here.
The
vicinity,
buses,
those
are
actually
that's.
Actually
a
canadian
company
and
so
they'll
be
delivering
us.
Those
from
canada.
C
I
have
a
couple
of
things
whenever
I'm
allowed
to
speak.
If
anybody
else
has
something
real,
quick.
C
I
have
to
mention
something
again,
which
is
some
driver
conduct.
There
have
been
situations
where
I
do
have
videos
and
also
three
female
employees,
of
a
very
big
business.
I'll
say
in
asheville
asked
me
to
watch
out
for
one
of
their
co-employees
because
she
is
getting
harassed
some
way
somehow
on
a
city
bus.
C
So
I'm
gonna
look
into
that
and
find
out
exactly
who's
doing
it,
because
a
lot
of
people
know
me
and-
and
I'm
not
scared,
to
ask
someone
why
they're
harassing
a
female,
whether
it
be
a
rider
or
a
bus
driver,
because
a
lot
of
riders
have
been
complaining
about
being
yelled
at,
as
I
also
have
myself
so
we're
continuing
to
try
to
improve
on
some
driver
conduct,
because
some
drivers
believe
that
you
know
they're
not
going
to
lose
their
jobs,
any
way,
shape
or
form,
and
they
can
have
whatever
conduct
that
they
desire.
G
Only
to
say
that
the
video
and
the
audio
on
the
buses
works
very
well.
So
if
we
have
incidents,
it's
critical
to
get
the
report
to
us
as
soon
as
possible,
which
allows
us
to
review
and
check,
I
would
say
98
of
the
time
you
know
we
have
the
ability
to
see
and
hear
exactly
what
is
occurring
and
then
we
do
deal
with
it
and
we
do
deal
with
driver
misconduct
directly
and
we
don't
want
to
see
it
out
there.
G
We
everybody
knows
we
do
deal
if
deal
with
something
that
comes
up
on
a
complaint
and
then
we
pull
video
and
audio
and
have
the
ability
to
check
and
see
exactly
what
happened
so
for
all
of
you
and
some
of
the
new
members.
If
so,
if
you
hear
of
something
please
let
us
know
we
want
to
dig
into
it.
We
want
to
figure
out
what's
going
on
and
you
know
time
and
date,
location,
bus
number,
even
those
things,
help
us
to
nail
down
a
video
and
and
figure
out
what
we
got
going.
C
C
It
is
always
best
to
have
your
own
copy,
a
copy
for
someone
that
you're
trying
to
help
out-
and
this
is
this-
has
progressed
for
me
over
years.
Okay,
so
and
that's
what
I
always
suggest
to
everyone
and
I'll
I'll
try
to
write
complaints
down
myself
because
a
lot
of
people
they
don't
know
how
to
navigate
at
all-
and
I
didn't
at
all
in
the
beginning,
but
now
I
do
and
the
buses
are
for
the
people.
So
I
appreciate
you
all.
B
Thank
you
sandy
bill
offices
in
the
queue
as
well.
E
B
B
Bill,
yes,
it
will
be
fine
and
also,
if
you
have
a
writer
experience,
we'd
love
to
hear
that.
E
E
E
K
Sure,
and
eventually
I
guess
we
can
put
something
more,
especially
more
specific
together,
but
we
have
a
small
fleet.
We
have
a
small
system,
we
have
32
buses
right
now,
when
you
have
a
small
fleet,
the
primary
things
you're
looking
for
for
a
vehicle
are
life
cycle.
E
K
I
think
we
can
report
to
you
what
goes
into
the
process,
but
I
don't
know
that
you
know
we're
gonna
talk
about
like
well,
I
mean
okay
yeah.
Yes,
we
can
do
that.
There
there's
variables
and
it's
it
always
comes
down
to
a
cost
and
efficiency
and
how
many
people
can
remove
right.
So
I
can.
We
can
put
something
together
that
kind
of
walks,
through
the
different
variables
of
of
why
we
have
what
we
have,
then
why
we
choose
what
we
choose
and
there's
always
opportunity
to
talk
about
other
types.
K
E
Well,
I
mean
I'm
not
requesting
you
go
to
labor
a
lot
of
stuff.
I
I
we
need
to
be
efficient
for
your
sake
too
so
and
I'm
not
eager
for
a
presentation.
To
be
quite
honest,
I,
when
I
look
back
at
where
we're
at
we
don't
have
enough
money,
and
I
yeah
I've
ordered
a
book.
E
J
E
D
So
I
appreciate
you
taking
the
time
to
put
the
presentation
together
today
with
the
budget.
It
was
actually
really
helpful,
informative.
D
D
I
mean
it's
a
lot
of
money
and
what
we
have
is
it's
currently
not
working
it's
better
than
what
we
had
in
2016,
clearly
right,
but
it's
not
where
we
ultimately
want
to
be
so
you
know
you
know
my
perspective
is
that
this
committee
is
here
to
help
create
solutions,
and
you
know,
however,
it's
diving
back
into
that
transitional
question.
You
know
it's.
D
You
know
I'm
five
years
old
now
and
maybe
it's
time
to
to
relook
at
it
right
to
give
it
a
another
look
to
see
where
we're
at
where
we're
going
in.
You
know
the
next
decade
because
I'm
sure
that
you
would
like
to
see
a
more
robust
system
with
more
frequent
service
that
is
reliable
and
well-funded,
so
it's
figuring
out
how
to
get
there,
I
think,
is
where
we
need
to
be
thinking.
D
You
know
in
the
future.
You
put
a
lot
of
time
into
this.
The
staff
does,
and
we
respect
that-
and
you
know
this
is
volunteer
time
for
everybody
on
the
committee,
so
we
all
wanted
to
be
time
well
spent.
D
You
know
and
bill-
and
I
are
you
know
we
look
at
it
through
the
lens
of
the
multimodal
commission.
You
know-
and
you
know
this
I
where
I
understand
it-
is
that
our
purpose
here
is
to
advise
multimodal
right.
So
we
need
to
send
things
up
to
them,
and
then
it
goes
on
to
counsel.
D
So
you
can
do
that
to
help
us.
Take
that
and
the
more
we
to
understand
it,
the
more
we
know
about
the
process,
the
better
I
feel
like
in
the
last
couple
of
meetings.
You've
helped
you've
helped
us
do
that.
So,
like
I
feel
like,
I
have
a
better
understanding
today
than
I
did.
You
know
just
a
few
months
ago,
so
I
really
appreciate
you
taking
the
time
to
do
the
presentations
and
explain
both
you
and
haley
it's.
I
really
appreciate
it
just
want
to
say
that
thank.
A
J
K
K
I
think,
since
the
multimodal
commission
had
a
conversation
about
funding
for
transportation,
our
biggest
opportunity
and
most
critical
need,
in
my
opinion,
is
to
get
the
county
and
the
city
to
do
a
transit
master
plan
and
look
at
what
would
a
transit
system
look
like
between
the
two
of
us
and
all
for
the
goal
of
getting
a
ballot
measure
in
2024
for
the
quarter?
Cent
sales
tax?
K
And
you
know
none
of
us
like
taxes,
but
we
do
have
the
legislative
ability
to
put
a
ballot
measure
on
the
ballot,
but
a
county-wide
vote
to
pass
a
quarter
cent
sales
tax
and
a
quarter
sales
tax
would
double
our
budget
and
that
wouldn't
necessarily
solve
all
of
our
problems.
But
it
would
allow
us
to
make
investments
in
facilities
that
would
then
allow
us
to
expand.
K
K
B
Thank
you,
jessica,
and
thank
you,
john
moving
on
with
what
I
had
to
say.
As
far
as
transfer
community
member
updates
and
writer
experience,
we
at
rc
have
been
in
touch
with
city
staff
as
far
as
getting
city
county
busing,
and
we
just
met
the
other
week
with
jasmine
beach,
ferrara
and
I'm
quite
sure,
vicky
has
talked
to
jessica
about
that
and
we've
been
into
the
commissioners
as
far
as
getting
a
feasibility
study
done
for
the
city
county
buses
and
we're
moving
forward
on
that.
B
And
that's
that
would
be
a
good
thing
I
feel,
and
as
far
as
the
transit
is
concerned,
I'm
extremely
proud
of
every
driver
that
I
get
on
the
bus
with
they're,
very
professional.
B
They
create
a
good
atmosphere
in
the
bus
when
certain
people
get
on
the
bus
and
they're
not
acting
the
way
they're
supposed
to
and
dotting
all
their
eyes
across,
and
all
that
these
drivers
have
a
nice
way
of
telling
them
how
to
get
back
in
line,
and
I
appreciate
that
very
much.
They
do
it
very
elegantly
and
professionally
as
well,
and
this
past
weekend
I
was
going
to
a
function
down
in
the
river
arts
district.
B
The
black
ashfield
thing
about
the
black
business
owners
in
in
that
area
in
the
river
arts
district.
I
was
surprised
that
the
bus
didn't
go
all
the
way
down
to
the
grip
mars.
B
I
had
to
walk
some
25
minutes
from
when
the
bus,
let
me
out
at
a
depot
street,
and
that
was
the
shortest
distance
for
me
to
travel
and
being
somewhat
compromised
for
my
breathing.
It
was.
It
was
a
nice
trick,
but
I
couldn't
believe
we
didn't
have
a
bus
that
went
down
through
the
riverards
district
and
as
far
as
businesses
were
down
there,
I
was
surprised
the
number
of
businesses
that
were
down
there
and
I
actually
walked
over
to
the
big
circle
sign
for
the
rewards,
this
guy.
B
That
was
another
five,
five
or
seven
minutes.
So
I
spent
just
about
a
half
hour
just
walking,
but
I
don't
know
why
bus
doesn't
go
down
there
and
I
had
drivers
didn't
give
me
an
answer
about
it
either,
but,
like
I
said
it
was,
it
was
quite
a
walk
but,
like
I
said
I,
I
love
my
transit
and
I
continue
to
support
my
transit.
B
And
I
have
some
other
things,
but
as
sandy
was
talking
about
taking
videos
and
whatnot,
I
always
take
pictures
and
I
get
back
in
touch
with
staff
that
same
day
whenever
there's
something
that
I
think
they
need
to
address.
B
B
Departmental
updates
city
staff,
monthly
transit
updates
and
operation
updates.
B
Okay:
okay,
if
there's
nothing
more
from
staff,
does
do
any
of
my
committee.
Members
have
anything
that
they
wanted
to
express
before
we
adjourn.
F
F
Yeah,
so
this
is
going
back
to
this
conversation
that
john
and
bill
and
jessica
were
just
having
about
budget
and
what
we
can
and
can't
do,
and
everything
and
and
jessica
mentioned
25
well,
not
25
a
.25
sales
tax
which
I've
I've
seen
that
done
in
other
places
like
charleston,
which
has
been
very
successful
in
providing
good,
steady
funding.
F
Question
regarding
funding
is
with
the
new
transportation
bill
that
just
came
out
of
congress
a
few
months
ago.
Are
there
any
bright
spots
that
we
can
see
on
that?
That
may
help
transit.
K
There
are,
I
should
I
should
mention
that
so
the
infrastructure,
investment
and
jobs
act
did
approve
some
funding
increases
for
transit
over
the
next
five
years.
Definitely
hopefully
10
years-
and
those
are,
I
would
say,.
K
But
you
know
the
federal
revenue
that
we
receive
is
maybe
between
15
and
20,
of
what
we
of
what
of
what
our
revenue
is,
and
so
a
20
to
30
percent
increase
of
that
one
funding
source
will
help,
but
it's
not
enough
to
help
us
in
a
substantial
way.
I
would
say
it's
not
enough
to
buy
a
new
bus
or
pay
for
another
route.
K
E
Thanks
so
jessica,
I
don't
want
to
lose
track
of
what
you
said
earlier.
It
really
was
interesting
to
me
and
I
want
to
make
sure
I
got
it
and
it
might
require
another
meeting,
but
you
said
the
the
big
hole.
K
On
and
harvey
kind
of
referenced,
some
of
it
there's
a
group
called
art,
c,
the
art,
art
coalition,
and
it's
got
some
representatives
of
county
interests
as
well,
and
there's
been
ongoing
discussions
of
that
group
with
with
the
county
about.
K
You
know
the
need
to
to
do
a
study
that
looks,
looks
beyond
just
the
city
of
asheville
service,
but
also
looks
at
the
paratransit
service,
the
trailblazer
that
county
runs,
but
also
you
know,
other
opportunities
like
like,
like
vanpool
or
carpool
car
sharing
types
of
services
that
could
help
meet
some
needs,
so
the
car
artsy
coalition
is
doing
some
advocacy
with
the
county
and
with
the
city.
K
Better
buses
together
is
also
doing
advocacy
and
I
think
we're
reaching
a
critical
mass
right
now.
On
that
conversation,
where
I
do
think
that
in
the
the
semi
near
future,
there
will
be
hopefully
a
budget
request
from
both
the
city
and
the
county
to
help
fund
a
study
and-
and
I
think
I
think
for
me-
the
study-
I
think
that
the
the
transit
master
plan
that
we
have
is
good,
keep
in
mind.
We've
only
implemented
the
first
year.
K
Well,
we
haven't
even
implemented
the
whole
first
year
and
all
the
other
recommendations
in
there
are
very
valid
and
are
probably
the
next
big
things
that
we
should
be
doing,
but
is
that
enough
to
get
voters
that
live
in
the
county
to
vote?
Yes
for
a
quarter
cent
sales
tax-
I
don't
know
what
we
need
is
like
I'll
call
it
a
package.
K
K
That
could
definitely
be
yeah
and
I'm
planning
on
putting
a
memo
together
soon.
If
I
can,
that
would
kind
of
try
to
put
everything.
I
just
said
verbally
into
like
an
actual
document
that
I
can
provide
to
the
city
manager
with
my
recommendations,
and
so
that
could
be
something
that
I
bring
forward
to
this
group
and
to
multimodal
for
their
input
and
forwarding
on
to
the
council
and
to
the
county.
E
B
C
I
would
like
to
thank
jessica
wholeheartedly
for
all
her
hard
work
that
she
does,
because
I
was
actually
thinking
about
how
does
the
county
fit
into
all
this
earlier
before
she
mentioned
how
it
does,
and
I
think
we've
made
progress
as
far
as
everyone
understanding
what
needs
to
be
done
for
all
of
us
in
nashville
city
limits
and
also
buncombe
county,
and
because
I
was
in
transit
earlier
when
you're
talking
about
haley
doing
the
grant,
and
I
have
friends
that
write
out
grants-
and
I
know
it's
a
very
arduous
process-
and
I
want
to
thank
you
very
much
haley
for
doing
that
for
everybody.
H
B
I
would
like
to
thank
everyone
for
that
input.
On
this
day
it
was
a
very
productive
meeting
and
very
learning
as
well,
and
if
nobody
has
anything
left
to
say
I
hear
about
during
this
meeting.