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From YouTube: Human Relations Commission – March 16, 2023
Description
Regular meeting of the City of Asheville Human Relations Commission.
Access the agenda and other meeting materials at the City of Asheville website: https://www.ashevillenc.gov/department/city-clerk/boards-and-commissions/human-relations-commission/
Participate before and during the meeting on our public engagement hub: https://publicinput.com/D1380
A
B
Good
afternoon
I'm
commission,
chair
Tonya,
Rodriguez
and
I
would
like
to
welcome
you
to
the
March
16
2023
human
relations
Commission
in
person.
Meeting
we're
coming
to
you
live
from
the
Cherokee
Homeland,
where
the
Eastern
band
of
Cherokee
Indians
remain
a
Sovereign
Nation.
To
this
day,
we
will
now
call
our
meeting
to
order.
B
Duties
of
the
human
relation
Commission
of
Asheville
include,
but
are
not
limited
to
one
make
policy
recommendation
to
the
city
council,
which
promotes
and
improves
human
relations
and
advances
equity
in
the
city.
Two
support
the
city's
office
of
equity
and
inclusion.
Three
provide
a
forum
where
residents
can
raise
issues
and
complaints
relating
to
human
relations
in
the
city.
B
All
commission
members
and
staff
are
participating
in
person.
We
are
streaming
live
on
our
virtual
engagement
Hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
Hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city
website,
and
also
linked
on
the
committee
page.
We
also
have
an
option
for
the
public
to
listen,
live
by
phone
by
dialing,
855.
B
-925-2801
once
again,
that
number
is
eight
five,
five,
nine
two
five,
two
eight
zero
one.
The
meeting
code
for
our
meeting
tonight
is
nine
seven,
two
three
for
those
of
you
who
plan
to
speak,
live
during
our
public
comment.
Today,
you
will
need
to
be
present
to
speak,
for
those
of
you
out
there
with
us
today.
Welcome
roll
call.
I
will
now
go
through
and
introduce
all
commission
members,
staff
and
guests
for
our
commission
members.
B
Please
make
sure
you
wait
until
you
are
recognized
by
I
or
Alma
before
speaking
when
you
have
a
question
or
you
would
like
to
speak.
Raise
your
hand
when
recognized
by
me
or
Elena,
and
we'll
open
up
the
floor
for
you
to
speak.
Commission
members
as
I
call
your
name.
Please
say
a
quick
hello,
see,
let's,
oh
pardon
four
persons
that
are
here.
B
Tanya
Rodriguez
chair
hello,
commissioner
Oliver.
Not
yet,
commissioner
young
is
joining
us
today,
commissioner
Venable.
C
D
E
B
F
B
B
B
Be
civil
and
courteous
be
respectful
of
differing
opinions,
be
present
no
personal
attacks,
the
acronym
weight
w-a-I-t.
Why
am
I
talking
and
also,
why
aren't
I
talking,
pursue
the
common
good
respect
and
honor?
The
majority
decision
be
fair
and
impartial
with
votes
and
discussion
and
finally
adhere
to
the
ethics
policy.
B
To
start
committee
agenda
items
and
to
help
our
audience
follow
along
I'll
State,
each
section
of
the
agenda
aloud
again
I
ask
commission
members
to
raise
your
hand
to
be
recognized
to
speak.
Please
state
your
name
each
time.
You
comment.
This
is
just
a
reminder
that
the
public
is
listening
on
the
phone
and
and
watching
on
YouTube,
and
this
helps
to
keep
everyone
up
to
date
on
the
order
of
the
meeting
and
who
is
commenting
or
speaking,
acknowledge
if
there's
a
quorum
for
the
meeting
and
we
do
have
quorum.
B
B
Next
item
up
for
business
are
staff
updates
presenting
the
2022
hrca
annual
report,
with
myself
to
the
equity
and
engagement
committee
on
March
21st
2023
with
Elena.
Thank.
A
You,
madam
chair,
that
was
the
update,
so
our
chair,
Tanya
Rodriguez,
will
be
presenting
the
2022
annual
hrca
report
to
the
equity
engagement
Council
committee
on
March
21st,
and
you
can
watch
that
if
you
are
interested-
and
that
was
the
update.
A
To
be
present
at
the
meeting,
I
don't
know
about
present
at
the
meeting
as
far
as
participating,
but
certainly
can
watch
it
streamed
live
online.
Okay,.
B
B
B
We,
the
aforementioned
members
of
the
hrca,
strongly
recommend
the
Asheville
city
council
swiftly
and
decisively
accept
the
Asheville
Crown
Act
discrimination
against
persons
based
on
traits
historically
associated
with
race,
hair,
texture
or
hairstyle
prohibited
section,
A,
no
person,
firm,
Corporation,
unincorporated
association,
state
agency
unit
of
local
government
or
any
public
or
private
entity
shall
deny
or
refuse
employment
to
any
person
or
discharge
any
person
from
employment
because
of
traits
historically
associated
with
race
or
an
account
or
on
account
of
the
person's
hair.
Texture,
protective
and
culturally
significant
hairstyles.
B
The
following
definitions
apply
in
this
section.
One
protective
hairstyles
includes
but
is
not
limited
to
such
hairstyles
as
bantu
knots,
braids
locks
and
twists
section
two
or
number
two
section.
B
is
race
includes
traits
historically
associated
with
race,
including,
but
not
limited
to
hair,
texture,
hair
type,
protective
and
culturally
significant
hairstyles
and
section
c.
I
C
Looks
good
so
our
second
to
go
ahead
and
move
forward
with
this
vote.
C
B
A
A
A
A
Citizens
can
participate
in
City
conducted
surveys
and
focus
groups
as
a
way
of
communicating
with
the
city
of
Asheville,
and
you
can
also
follow
our
social
media
accounts.
These
are
great
ways
to
communicate
larger
or
ongoing
issues
with
the
city.
But
what,
if
something
breaks-
or
you
have
an
immediate
question
or
need
that
the
city
might
need
to
address
here-
are
some
ways
that
you
might
communicate
some
immediate
or
urgent
needs
to
the
city
of
Asheville.
You
can
download
our
Asheville
app
on
your
smartphone.
You
can
call
our
customer
service
line,
you
can
call
APD.
A
You
can
also
go
to
the
city
of
Asheville
website
and
search
for
neighborhood
resources
webpage
on
the
search
bar.
You
can
just
search
neighborhood
resources
and
it
should
pop
up.
This
is
a
resource
hub
for
directing
you
to
common
issues
and
concerns.
So
if
you
have
specific
questions
but
you're
not
sure
where
to
go,
this
is
a
great
place
to
start.
A
You
can
do
this
by
going
to
the
city's
website
from
the
city,
home,
page,
you'll,
click
on
services
and
then
you'll,
click
on
report,
a
crime
concern
or
nuisance
and
then
there's
a
few
different
Avenues
there.
This
is
also
linked
in
the
slide
deck,
and
you
can
also
call
Asheville
Police
Department
Department,
as
I've
mentioned,
there
is
an
emergency
only
number.
This
connects
you
to
dispatch.
A
There
are
non-emergencies
number
is
available
on
this
slide
deck
as
well.
You
can
submit
a
tip
or
report
crime.
There
is
an
Asheville
PD
app
as
well,
which
you
can
download
to
your
smartphone.
You
can
text
the
number
here
to
submit
a
tip
or
report
crime,
or
you
can
report
in
person
at
the
municipal
building
and
the
address
is
available
here.
A
Apd
also
has
a
community
engagement
line,
so
you
can
call
this
number
or
this
email
address.
Apd
Community
engagement,
Asheville
nc.gov,
and
that
is
a
way
to
get
a
hold
of
the
community
engagement
staff
in
the
APD.
So
APD
is
Asheville,
Police
Department.
If
I
haven't
said
that
yet
and
then
you
can
also
call
the
number
here
for
records
with
APD.
A
Now,
if
you're
still
not
sure
where
to
go,
you
can
go
to
the
search
bar
on
the
city's
webpage
type
in
some
keywords,
for
whatever
you're
looking
for
and
some
resources
will
show
up
when
you
hit
enter.
The
search
bar
is
located
on
the
top
of
the
web
page.
If
you
are
on
the
city's
home
page,
if
you've
navigated,
to
a
different
web
page
on
the
website,
you
can
always
go
to
the
magnifying
glass
in
the
upper
right
hand,
corner
and
that
will
bring
up
the
search
bar
as
well.
A
So
I
mentioned
the
Asheville
app
which
you
can
download
to
your
phone
it's
available
in
the
App
Store.
You
can
use
this
to
report
issues
and
make
requests.
You
can
view
the
status
on
the
submissions
now
I.
Do
want
to
note
that
if
you
put
a
submission
through
the
app
a
completed
status,
if
you're
checking
the
status
on
something
you've
submitted
does
not
mean
that
it's
not
the
issue
itself
has
been
resolved,
but
it
does
mean
that
it
has
been
entered
as
a
work
order
for
the
city
to
address.
A
So
if
this
is
great
for
many
common
issues,
including
Water
Service,
trash
and
litter,
potholes
that
you
find
on
the
street
crime
and
more
and
then
our
customer
service
lines,
so
there's
multiple
customer
service
lines
for
different
departments,
but
our
main
customer
service
line
that
can
get
you
connected
with
where
you
need
to
go
is
828-251-1122.
You
can
use
this
to
pay
a
bill
request
a
service,
make
a
complaint
or
ask
a
question
and
they'll
connect
you
to
the
right
person.
A
Now
you
can
also
speak
with
City
staff.
This
is
you
can
make
an
appointment.
You
can
speak
with
staff
at
public
meetings.
You
can
speak
with
staff
on
duty
and
out
on
the
job,
such
as
staff
who
are
in
public
works
and
APD.
But
I
do
want
to
note
here
that
staff
may
not
have
time
to
speak
unless
you
make
an
appointment.
So
just
keep
that
in
mind.
If
you're
engaging
staff
at
a
public
meeting,
for
instance
that
they
may
have
another
appointment,
they
need
to
get
to.
A
Now
another
way
that
you
can
communicate
with
the
city
of
Asheville
is
you
can
submit
a
complaint
through
the
non-discrimination
ordinance.
So
if
you
have
or
suspect,
if
you
have
experienced
or
suspect
discrimination
in
employment
or
public
accommodations
within
the
city
of
Asheville
limits,
you
can
submit
a
complaint
through
the
non-discrimination
ordinance
and
that
is
linked
on
the
slide
deck.
You
can
also
find
the
forms
on
the
equity
and
inclusion
webpage.
A
So
when
you
go
to
the
city
of
Asheville
Maine
website,
you
can
navigate
to
the
equity
and
inclusion
webpage
or
you
can
search
for
it
in
the
search
bar
and
then
you'll
see
the
non-discrimination
ordinance
at
the
top
of
that
web
page.
You
can
submit
a
complaint
online.
There
is
an
online
form
which
staff
would
receive.
You
can
submit
it
by
mail.
If
you
want
to
print
the
form,
fill
it
out
and
mail
it
in
or
you
can
come
in
person.
A
An
apartment
is
highly
recommended,
just
file
a
complaint
in
the
office
itself
and
with
that
that
was
not
all
of
the
Avenues
for
communication
with
the
city
of
Asheville,
but
those
are
some
main
lines
of
communication.
Submitting
complaints
or
asking
questions
to
the
city
I'll
have
take
any
questions
that
you
might
have.
C
Unlike
a
lot
of
places
in
our
city
is
also
represented
by
a
county
because
the
county
in
the
room,
so
when
these
complaints
are
made,
are
these
complaints
just
kept
within
the
city
or
to
be
also
because
the
county
also
has
a
Equity
advisor
as
well?
So
are
these
complaints
shared
Within
These
two
entities,
because
the
city
is
within
the
county.
A
So
the
direct
forms
of
communication,
for
example,
are
customer
service
line
the
Asheville
app
the
city's
non-discrimination,
ordinance
those
go
internally
to
the
city
of
Asheville.
Specifically,
if
someone
is
making
a
complaint
or
an
inquiry
at
a
public
meeting,
that's
public,
so
anyone
can
have
access
to
what
they're
bringing
up
there,
including
the
county.
A
The
county
does
have
its
own
non-discrimination
ordinance,
and
so
if
discrimination
is
suspected
within
the
county
but
outside
of
the
city
of
Asheville,
someone
might
choose
to
make
a
non-discriminatory
discrimination
complaint
to
the
Buncombe
County
non-discrimination,
ordinance
and
that
would
go
to
them,
did
I
answer
your
question.
H
I'm
not
sure
that
there
is
a
mechanism
in
place
right
now
where
it
would
automatically
happen.
What
I
can
say
is
that
the
level
of
severity
is
not
defined
in
the
ordinance
right
now.
Here's
what
I
mean
by
that.
If
it's
wrong,
it's
wrong,
it's
wrong
and
we
don't
really
designate
levels
of
how
bad
something
is.
The
goal
of
the
ordinance
is
to
allow
for
the
city
to
regulate
any
discrimination
and
to
have
viable
steps
to
correct
it.
H
Okay
and
at
a
certain
point-
and
this
divorce
may
get
to
your
question-
if
there
is
a
refusal
to
correct
it,
even
though
the
fine
may
continue
to
add
up
the
city
reserved
to
ourselves
the
ability
to
take
additional
legal
action
and
that's
what
time
it
would
probably
come
to
my
office
and
I
could
say
that
in
in
really
bad
situations,
we
may
go
to
court
and
seek
additional
remedies
to
stop
that
particular
discriminatory
action.
Okay,
now
to
say,
would
we
share
it
with
the
county?
I
And
wait
A
Smith
I
would
like
to
know
who
will
be
the
one
evaluating
the
incoming
complaints
and
is
it
would
be
these
complaints?
Are
they
recorded
and
saved?
I
A
You
speaking
specifically
to
the
non-discrimination,
ordinance,
okay,
so
those
are
kept
as
records.
I
maintain
a
file
and
I
believe
those
files
need
to
be
maintained.
There's
yes,.
A
So
it's
an
investigation
through
a
combination
combined
effort
of
the
office
of
equity
and
inclusion
and
as
the
analyst
for
the
office
I'm
the
lead
on
the
non-discrimination,
ordinance
supported
by
Brenda
Mills,
the
director
of
the
department.
Excuse
me,
the
department
of
equity
and
inclusion
and
legal,
so
Brad
and
his
attorneys
commissioner
Adkins
I.
J
Would
like
to
ask
in
regards
to
what
commissioner
Smith
asked
kind
of
like
a
piggy
bank,
and
it
has
to
do
with
the
time
frame
in
which
an
individual
or
entity
makes
a
complaint
based
on
the
non-discrimination
ordinance,
how
one?
How
quick
is
there
focus
on
that
work
on
that,
and
then
the
second
thing
is:
is
how
do
you
in
turn?
Let
the
person
know
who
made
the
complaint
that
the
city
is
working
on,
that.
J
A
The
non-discrimination
ordinance
tonight
I
do
want
to
remind
the
commission
that
there
is
a
video
linked
at
the
bottom
of
your
agenda,
which
is
a
full
presentation
from
one
of
the
city's
attorneys
on
how
the
non-discrimination
Ordinance
Works,
and
it
includes
all
the
details
of
that
so
I'll
point
you
all
to
that
resource
and
then,
if
you
have
any
further
questions
about
the
non-discrimination,
ordinance
specifically,
please
feel
free
to
email.
Me
and
I'd
be
very
happy
to
walk
you
through
it.
B
Is
there
a
amount
of
time
that
that
is
needed
before
somebody
complains,
or
is
there
like
a
statute
of
limitation
on
an
incident
before
that
complaint
takes
place
and
because,
if
something
takes
place
two
years
ago,
and
yet
people
hear
that
it's
still
happening,
can
that
person
that
experienced
it
two
years
ago
still.
A
H
H
This
is
intended
to
ensure
that
the
investigation
can
easily
occur
because
at
a
certain
point,
the
farther
you
get
from
the
occurrence
people
change
documents
are
lost
and,
and
it's
much
much
harder
for
the
city
to
go
about
the
operation
of
investigating
it
so
just
like,
with
almost
any
kind
of
civil,
lawsuit
or
even
criminal.
In
most
cases,
you've
got
to
be
able
to
to
make
those
complaints
within
a
certain
amount
of
time.
So
we
wanted
to
give
them
enough
time,
180
days,
to
be
able
to
contact
the
city
and
and
bring
that
complaint
thereafter.
H
There
are
time
frames
so
as
soon
as
that
happens,
it
triggers
a
process
where
the
office
of
equity
inclusion
has
to
conduct
an
investigation.
They
have
to
notify
the
parties
with
a
certain
amount
of
time.
They
have
a
certain
amount
of
time
to
conduct
the
investigation
and
issue.
A
final
report,
but
everything
after
that
is
documented-
the
parties
received
notice
of
those
things
all
within
a
certain
time
frame.
C
Some
people
work
for
broad
employers.
Like
say
you
have
a
broad
employee,
like
Health
Care,
you
have
people
who
work
for
a
Health
Care
system
that
are
traveling
between
different
entities.
So
you
might
work
for
a
city
employee.
You
might
have
the
same
boss
in
the
county
too,
and
that's
why
I'm
asking
is
this
information
going
to
be
shared
between
these
entities?
Because
you
have
very
broad
employers,
Within
our
grasp
within
the
city
of
the.
H
County
and
let
me
say,
here's
the
good
news:
there's
nothing
stopping
the
city
in
the
county
from
sharing
that
information
and
working
together
on
these
things,
so
nothing
in
the
ordinance
would
prevent
that
and
I
can
tell
you
that
city
council
unanimously
adopted
this
ordinance.
They
are
committed
to
this
as
well
as
City
staff,
committing
not
just
to
the
time
to
put
it
on
the
books,
but
to
add
staff
to
be
able
to
enforce
it.
H
B
How
does
one
protect
against
retaliation
within
a
complaint
regarding
specifically
the
non-discrimination
ordinance
because
I
understand
from
my
understanding
if
a
person
has
complaint
with
City
Water
right,
and
so
they
have
that
complaint
with
City
water?
But
if
that
complaint
centers
around
discrimination,
then
that
discrimination
complaint
goes
to
the
office
of
equity
and
inclusion.
Where
that
can
happen,
however,.
G
B
The
the
fear
of
complaining
is
that
that
person
may
not
get
water
because
of
retaliation.
So
how
does
one
or
like
you
know,
people
do
all
the
things.
So
how
does
one
protect
against
that
and
are
there
Protections
in
place
when
retaliation
is
present.
H
I
can
tell
you
that
the
kind
of
retaliation
that
you'd
be
talking
about
is
something
that
should
be
already
protected
under
state
law.
In
other
words,
if
you
brought
a
claim
Under
The,
Fairly
newly
adopted
non-discrimination,
ordinance
and
then,
as
a
result
of
that,
maybe
the
employer
or
the
business
or
the
city
anybody
retaliated
in
some
way.
H
There
are
additional
protections
already
in
other
law
state
laws,
anti-retaliation
civil
claims
that
you
could
bring
in
order
to
protect
yourself
from
those
things
now,
they're
not
containing
the
same
ordinance
and
it's
because
they
already
exist
elsewhere.
So
just
as
as
an
example,
if
you
brought
a
discrimination,
a
complaint
against
someone,
you
were
working
for
your
employer
and
as
a
result,
while
it's
being
investigated,
you
were
fired
and
you
believe
that
that
was
clearly
a
retaliatory
action.
The
law
already
would
give
you
employment
rights
to
not
be
fired
as
essentially
a
whistleblower.
H
That's
what
you
are.
There
are
whistleblower
protection
laws
already
on
the
book,
so
that's
just
one
example
of
additional
laws
that
are
in
place
to
ensure
that
you
have
the
ability
to
file
these
kind
of
complaints
when
you
need
to,
and
protections
are
in
place
if
it's
not
treated
properly
as
it
should
without
retaliation.
I
Commissioner,
Smith
Brad
I
have
a
concern:
have
you
experienced
where
maybe
a
citizen
of
Asheville
or
Buncombe
County?
Is
it
confident
in
making
I'm
trying
to
pick
my
words
carefully
because
I
know
this
might
bite
me?
Does
it
have
confidence
in
submitting
their
complaint
to
the
the
department
of
equity
inclusion
and
the
employer
is
a
big
employer
in
the
community
and
the
person
is
making
fearing
retaliation
so
who
does
the
citizen
of
Asheville
go
to
if
they
can't
go
to
the
Department
of
equity.
H
Well,
I
think
that's
a
good
question
and
a
fair
question.
We
want
as
much
as
we
are
able
today
to
ensure
to
the
community
that
the
city
of
Asheville
is
100
percent
behind
this
ordinance
and
what
it
stands
for,
and
the
Avenues
of
protections
that
it
provides
for
our
citizens
and
residents
and
visitors.
H
I
can
tell
you
that
we
do
have
large
Employers
in
this
community
and
I
will
give
you
just
an
example
right
now.
The
city
of
Asheville's,
Wells,
montgom,
County
and
other
local
municipalities
and
Counties
have
filed
a
major
lawsuit
against
HCA,
the
owner
of
Mission
Health.
Because
of
some
issues
that
we
have
taken
with
regard
to
some
of
their
pricing
and
Employment
Practices.
H
We
don't
shy
away
from
anybody,
and
I
can
tell
you
that
I
don't
lose
any
sleep
over
making
the
hard
decisions
and
I
will
reach
out
wherever
I
can
to
try
to
address
those
kind
of
injustices
and
I
want
to
ensure
that
if
anybody
feels
that
our
excellent
staff
in
office
of
excellent
inclusion
might
have
any
concerns
or
limitations,
I
would
invite
them
to
reach
out
to
my
office
and
be
personally
because
I
I.
J
A
Madam,
chair
I
just
want
to
note
the
time
if
you're
good,
to
keep
going
or
if
you
would
like
to
move
with
the
agenda.
K
This
is
my
question
pertains
to
one
of
the
resources
that
was
shown
in
this
slide
about
submission
of
crime,
complaints
to
APD,
and
there
are
several
different
resources
for
that.
Thank
you
for
going
back.
So
if
I
am
wanting
to
anonymously
file
a
complaint
or
on
a
crime
in
my
community,
how
does
one
receive
that
anonymously
and
it
doesn't
depend
on
the
crime
to
remain
anonymous.
A
There
are
avenues
for
making
anonymous
tips
and
I
am
trying
to
recall
if
it's
text
or
app
or
perhaps
both
that
you
can
tip
anonymously
on
I
would
have
to
look
that
up
to
confirm
which
I
can
do
by
going
to
the
city
website
and
searching
anonymous
tip.
A
Can
you
remind
me
of
the
second
part
of
your
question?
It
was:
can
you
tip
anonymously
and
then
so
does
it
depend
on
you
can
make
any
tip?
So
if
you
are
aware
of
something
major
or
quote
unquote
small,
you
can
make
a
tip
about
it
anonymously
through
through
that
Avenue
that
let
line.
K
A
About
as
far
as
like
knowledge
of
how
of
like
what
data,
if
any
personally
identified
information
is
maintained,
I
don't
know
but
I,
there
are
ways
to
submit
anonymously.
I
just
don't
know
what's
collected
where
and
who
accesses
it.
Okay,
if
I
may
really
quick
one
way
you
could
find
out
as
well
is
the
community
engagement
phone
number
and
the
email
address,
and
you
could
ask
the
community
engagement
of
the
APD
as
well,
and
they
could
tell
you
that
information.
Thank.
K
K
Just
asked
that
I
feel
you
have
a
lot
of
people
that
are
afraid
to
give
information,
and
so,
when
you
offer
this
Anonymous,
you
don't.
A
Yeah
I
think
it's
an
excellent
point.
That's
been
made
that
if
you're
witnessing
an
active
shooting
event
that
the
emergency
line
is
the
appropriate
line
to
use
and
I
believe
that
chair
Rodriguez
is
correct
and
that
you
don't
have
to
give
personally
identifying
information
on
the
call.
However,
you
do
will
need
to
provide
like
an
address
of
where,
where
it's
located
the
event
is
happening,
and
that
sort
of
thing
thank.
K
B
All
right,
we've
got
a
couple
of
things
and
one
more
vote
if
we're
good,
with
doing
that,
all
right
all
right,
new
business.
B
B
B
Some
realizations
came
up
in
regards
to
accessibility
to
the
meeting,
and
there
are
people
that
have
kids
that
may
not
be
able
to
make
it
to
the
meeting
that
could
affect
the
votes.
There
are
people
that
get
here
by
bus.
There
are
people
that
can't
may
not
be
able
to
take
off
all
of
their
work,
but
can
have
the
meeting
on
while
they're
working
as
well.
So
framing
this
in
a
space
of.
B
Accessibility
is,
is
I
feel
a
way
that
we
can
advance
equity
by
example
in
this
commission.
By
offering
the
meeting
to
be
completely
online
and
accessible
and
virtual
I
know
the
human
contact,
the
human
factor
is
important
and,
however,
sometimes
it's
important
also
think
about
how
we
can
all
show
up
and
serve.
C
Okay,
so
this
is
part
of
some
of
our
working
groups
that
I
brought
up
to,
and
one
of
the
things
that
was
talked
about
is
okay,
so
number
one
I'm
correct.
If
we
do
this
all
the
way
virtually
it
has
to
be
all
the
way
virtual
correct.
C
H
All
the
way
yeah
it
is
one
or
the
other
and
there's
reasons
behind
that.
We
have
been
for
some
time
trying
to
work
through
the
possibility
of
doing
a
hybrid
model
and
there
are
technological
challenges
to
that.
Just
as
an
example,
when
we
film
these
things
for
the
public
and
broadcast
them
live,
there's
a
delay
between
what
happens
and
that
and
if
we
add,
which
we've
been
trying
to
do
lately
closed
captioning.
H
For
for
people
who
are
hearing
impaired,
it
increases
the
delay
to
almost
a
minute
which
means
having
someone
outside
calling
in
it
would
be
almost
impossible
for
them
to
be
able
to
do
that
and
if
we
simply
put
a
phone
down,
there's
still
a
delay,
but
also
in
this
room
you're
not
able
to
hear
what
everyone
else
is
saying,
because
these
microphones,
they
they
do
a
little
bit,
but
mostly
it
goes
into
the
recording,
that's
broadcast
to
public.
C
C
So
what
that
really
is
in
certain
areas
to
where
you
could
also
be
in
the
areas
of
where
people
who
are
on
this
commission
live
at
at
different,
because
the
city
owns
a
lot
of
spaces,
we
have
community
centers,
the
county
is
always
very
lean.
You
know
friendly
with
us
and
we
wonder
I'm
sure
we
need
to
be
in
the
library
we
could.
C
These
constructs
everybody's
not
built
with
this,
so
sometimes
you
have
to
meet
people
where
they
are
and
I
think
that's
part
of
what
the
hrca
should
be
looking
at
is
meeting
people
where
they
are.
That
means
you
go
into
the
neighborhood
s,
because
the
news
that
we've
had
the
most
attendance
at
were
when
we
went
outside
of
this,
and
we
had
a
great
attendance,
great
impact,
some
of
the
best
discussions
that
we've
had
and
came
from
necessarily
and
it
was
online,
but
it
was
a
housing
discussion.
We
talked
about
what
it
looked
like
for.
C
People
who
live
in
Asheville
that
deal
with
the
homeless
community
and
deal
with
homelessness
within
their
own
families.
These
are
resolutions
that
we
were
able
to
and
recommendations.
We
were
able
to
pass
off
that
city
council
documentary
taking
it
to
another
welcome.
There's
a
lot
of
information
will
come
from
those
entities
where
we
went
outside
of
ourselves
and
I.
Think
you
get
a
better
view
of
where
people
live.
C
They
might
go
to
the
grant
Center,
they
might
come
to
Hillcrest,
they
might
come
and
we
have
to
be
willing
to
because
you
signed
up
to
go
outside
of
your
coach
and
that's
the
only
thing
that
I'm
trying
to
say
is
that
I
see
that
the
positive
work
that
has
been
done
within
this
entity
was
not
done
online.
It
was
done
in
person.
B
And
I
have
an
idea
for
that.
I
have
an
idea
for
that.
It's
I
hear
what
you're
saying
Tanya
Rodriguez
I
hear
what
you're
saying
commissioner
available
and
that
and
I
I
honor
it
a
lot,
because
that
makes
sense.
I,
remember
that
meaning
it
was
the
the
how
the
house
there
were
people
standing
up
in
the
aisles
and
I
wonder
if
the
solution
is
is
that
we
bring.
B
Maybe
we
have
quarterly
quarterly
check-in
meetings
in
each
neighborhood
to
discuss
pertinent
issues
within
that
neighborhood
and
receive
information
from
the
community
to
the
hrca,
and
then
we
have
working
groups
that
develop
from
that
that
we
can
work
on
and
then
have
our
meetings
and
then
go
on
to
the
next
one
and
go
on
to
the
next
one.
I
wonder
if
that
might
help
to
balance
it's
a
quorum.
C
Issue
I'm
gonna
check
into
because,
of
course,
people
are
doing
that
you
know.
So
it's
almost
like
you're
having
meetings
on
a
regular
schedule
like
every
month
and
see
what
I'm
saying
like
if
you're
going
to
be
doing
that
you're
bringing
something
to
a
community
I'm
going
to
want
to
go
into
that
community
and
hear
what
the
people
who
live
in
that
Community
say:
I,
don't
care
where
it's
from
I
want
to
hear
and
the
lived
experiences
I
want
to
see
so
that
even
if
you're,
not
on
the
working
group,
you
have
an
understanding.
C
B
The
the
Quorum
would
be
online,
that's
that's
where
we
would
afford
the
Quorum.
G
B
The
online
meetings
would
be
made
accessible
for
everyone
instead
of
having
to
go
to.
They
can
just
turn
it
on.
Even
though
I
understand
that
not
everybody
is
has
accessibility
to
computers,
not
everybody
has
accessibility
and
lives
on,
so
that
in
and
of
itself
is
an
issue
within
accessibility.
So
it's.
This
is
just
something
to
think
about.
When
is
the
final.
A
I,
don't
know
that
we
were
given
a
specific
deadline
for
this
vote.
I'll
check
on
that.
If
we're
not
ready
to
take
a
vote
tonight.
J
Commissioner,
I
I
one
is
a
question
and
how
would
we
videotape
or
be
able
to
you
know
have
this
have
meetings
recorded
in
the
in
the
community
sector.
J
They're
all
set
up
like
this
okay
and
then
the
next
thing
would
be
one
of
the
things
that
we
at
the
community
engagement
focus
group
has
been
working
on
is
looking
at
key
events
or
Community
engagement
opportunities
to
be
able
for
the
HRC
to
be
visible
in
and
able
to
ask
questions
and
be
able
to
talk
with
the
community
to
be
more
accessible
and
I.
J
G
J
H
J
Focus
group
to
continue
to
research,
specific
events
and
with
with
input
from
the
rest
of
the
Commissioners
as
to
specific
events,
that
would
be
vital
for
us
to
be
present
at
so
that
we
can
mingle
around
with
the
crack
talk
about
what
we
do
and
then
allow
people
to
speak
to
us
so
that
we
can
bring
them
back
to
whether
it's
virtual
or
in
you
know
in
person
I
think
that's
our
job
is
it's
visible.
J
A
Chair
if
I
may
sorry
I
think
I
can
offer
potentially
a
little
context
which
might
be
helpful
in
this
discussion.
First
to
answer
your
question:
I
I,
don't
think
there's
a
date.
I,
don't
think,
there's
a
deadline
for
this
vote,
but
just
know
that
it
is
the
format
for
your
meetings
until
the
end
of
this
calendar
year.
A
So
that's
that's
the
the
timeline.
Whatever
you
decide
to
do
and
then
the
live
in-person
meetings
like
we're
having
tonight
are
live
streamed
online
through
to
the
YouTube
channel.
The
city's
YouTube
channel
and
people
can
also
call
in
that
is
made
possible
due
to
streaming
stations
that
are
here
in
City,
Hall
and
so
live
in-person
meetings.
A
At
least
right
now
are
limited
to
City
Hall
for
commission
meetings.
I
believe
the
other
piece
is
if
the
commission
would
like
to
hold
working
group
meetings,
so
your
smaller
subcommittees.
A
You
are
well
very
welcome
to
include
community
members
as
members
of
those
committees.
Even
if
those
members
of
those
committees
don't
serve
on
the
commission
itself,
that's
okay!
A
You
can
do
that
and
then,
if
the
commission
does
choose
to
hold
any
kind
of
special
meeting
in
which
there
are
a
quorum
of
members,
we'll
just
need
to
provide
notice
to
the
public
for
that
and
be
able
to
do
all
the
the
pieces
related
to
it.
Commissioner,
Venable,
okay,
so.
C
Let
me
say,
and
that's
some
great
information,
because
I'm
looking
at
somehow
some
other
boards
are
now
working
in
the
city
and
the
county
and
I
do
see
that
they
are
meeting
in
different
spaces
and
they
also
are
having
Community
input.
So
that
is
basically
one
of
the
bars
it's
kind
of
like
to
run.
Their
subcommittees
are
meeting
all
public
and
having
public
input,
so
we
can
and
so
I
guess
what
I'm
asking
is.
Is
it
if
a
subcommittee
wanted
to
do
that?
A
If
you
are
planning
to
have
a
quorum
of
commission
members
attending
if
you're
not
planning
to
have
a
quorum
of
commission
members
attending
that
working
group
meeting,
you
don't
need
to
notice
the
public.
If
you
would
like
to
advertise
that
there
is
a
working
group
meeting,
you're,
certainly
able
to
do
that
in
whatever
modes
you'd
like
to.
But
you
don't
need
to
notice
it
as
a
public
meeting
unless
you're
intending
to
have
a
quorum
of
HRC
members
present
and.
A
Would
that
so
I
think
in
that
instance,
if
you
are
discussing
HRC
business
together,
you
would
probably
have
to
decide
some
who
to
leave
who
to
exit
to
reduce
it
down
below
Quorum
in
order
for
that
to
be
okay.
A
However,
if
you
are
out
and
about
just
doing
daily
things-
and
you
happen
to
like-
have
six
people
present
at
an
event,
for
example,
you're
not
conducting
HRC
business
or
having
a
meeting
you're
just
at
this
event
and
you
bump
into
each
other
I,
don't
think
that
there
is
an
issue
with
that
Brad.
Would
you
be
able
to
confirm
that
discernment,
yeah.
H
I
I
think
the
important
part
of
that
is
to
remember
that
the
Quorum
rules
and
the
meeting
rules
applies
to
this
particular
group.
You
can
have
working
groups
that
are
less
than
a
quorum
as
much
as
you
want
you
don't
you
can
meet.
You
can
do
your
work.
You
don't
have
to
worry
about
those
open
meeting
rules
with
those
particular
bodies,
but.
C
C
I
My
concern
is
for
those
of
us
who
have
small
children,
I
do
like
with
commissioner
van
who
was
saying
about
meeting
in
the
community.
The
only
way
the
only
reason
I
would
agree
with
that
is
like
Stevens
Lee
and
all
those
places
may
have
an
extra
room
where
the
children
can
go.
It
won't
be
so
much
of
a
nuisance
to
the
meeting.
I
I
would
love
to
continue
to
be
a
part
of
the
commission,
but
I
don't
have
a
babysitter,
so
anybody
that
sees
me
in
the
community
know
that
my
two
children
come
along
with
me
and
I.
Don't
want
it
to
be
an
issue
to
for
the
group.
You
know
so
I
don't
know
what
to
do,
but
what,
if
we
had
other
Commissioners
join
and
they
also
have
children
or
we
have
people
during
in
a
community
who
want
to
participate
in
the
conversation,
but
they
have
children
too.
I
K
I'm
sorry,
this
is
commissioner
Reed
I
have
a
quick
question,
because
I
need
a
little
bit
of
clarity.
We've
branched
off
from
working
group
sessions.
Is
this
question
primarily
for
this
purpose,
for
this
meeting
for
hrca
accessibility
to
the
Commissioners
to
be
present
or
go
virtual?
Is
that
what
we're
being
asked.
B
B
K
So
I
I
need
a
little
bit
more
time
to
think
about
this,
because
that
that
could
pertain
to
an
issue.
However,
personally,
if,
if
I
sign
up
for
something
I
know-
and
you
read
the
the
policy
and
procedure
and
what
you're
asked
of
being
to
do,
then
you
take
that
into
consideration
before
you
apply.
K
A
If
I
may,
this
is
your
staff
liaison
Alina,
the
human
relations
commission
had
been
meeting
virtually
as
most
boards
and
commissions
were
during
the
covid
pandemic,
and
so
when
applications
were
coming
in,
the
the
expectation
was
a
virtual
meeting
that
would
be
streamed
for
the
public
that
that
was
lifted
last
year,
late
last
year
and
commissions
and
boards
were
able
to
vote
on
their
preference
for
meeting
format,
whether
they
wanted
to
be
in
person
or
virtual.
A
For
that
vote,
you
needed
to
have
a
super
majority
of
members
vote
to
be
virtual.
Otherwise
the
meetings
would
default
back
to
in-person
formats.
The
commission
voted
twice
over
two
meetings
or
attempted
to
vote
over
two
meetings
and
did
not
make
a
super
majority
present
at
either
of
those
meetings.
Therefore,
you
defaulted
back
to
in-person
meetings.
A
This
is
another
opportunity
to
reconsider
that
choice
again,
if
that's
something
that
you're
interested
in
that
that's
what
this,
where
this
comes
from,
is
in
an
effort
to
make
Commissioners
who
had
previously
had
the
expectation
of
a
virtual
meeting,
which
then
changed
to
an
in-person
meeting.
You
have
the
option
to
consider
now
if
it
makes
sense
for
this
commission
to
stay
in
person
or
if
you
would
like
to
move
to
Virtual
meetings
again.
B
E
E
The
boards
and
commissions
committee
level
and
at
the
equity
engagement
committee
level,
there
seemed
to
be
a
missing
part
of
the
puzzle
that
could
maybe
address
some
concerns
is
that
the
call-in
option
I
just
pulled
up
an
old
meeting,
so
this
this
information
I'm
getting
ready
to
show
you
isn't
even
so.
This
is
another
part.
That's
a
resource.
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
y'all
knew
was
available
and
it's
available
for
all
of
our
virtual
meetings
right
now,
virtual
engagement.
Thank
you.
E
I
I
was
in
the
attention
and
a
lot
of
other
today
and
that's
you
know,
has
been
perfect.
No
child
care
for
children
are
in
school,
but
at
the
same
time
you
know
I'm
speaking
up
for
me
right
now,
but
also
what
about
the
Commissioners
that
come
in
after
us?
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
that
is
being
spoken
for
anyone
else
who
may
have
children
or
me
or
not,
have
accents
coming.
C
I
guess
my
question
is
like
piggyback
out
for
all
of
this
and
I
guess:
I,
don't
know
who
might
be
able
to
answer
this.
What
is
the
I
guess
the
idea
that
perhaps
in
the
future,
because
you
do
see
some
other
cities
who
do
have
dual
meeting
Concepts,
you
know
Asheville.
We
followed
a
different
type
of
structure
because
of
how
we're
set
up
you
know
because
of
our
our
Charter
in
this
city.
C
What
is
the
the
probability
that
that
can
change
stay
within
the
next
two
to
five
years?.
C
Structure
of
how,
with
our
own
Ashley,
there
are
other
cities
in
North
Carolina,
so
we
are
under
a
lot
of
a
general
General,
Assembly
type
of
construct
that
necessarily
done
pigeon
holes,
so
to
say
other
municipalities
the
way
it
does
for
us,
I,
don't
know
Brad.
Maybe
you
can
answer
this
and
maybe
councilman
broadcasted
this,
but
I
think
what
we're
talking
about
more
of
right
now
is
looking
at
the
future,
because
we
are
very
uncertain
about
how
we
stand
right
now.
C
How
do
you
feel
about,
and
is
there
any
other
cities
that
are
having
virtual
dual
meetings
here
in
North,
Carolina
I've
heard
of
some
but
I'm
not
sure
about
it
and
I
wonder
if
this
is
something
that
we
are
looking
at
as
a
broad
entity
ourselves
and
the
needs
that
people
who
want
to
serve
might
necessarily
have
the
access
to.
H
That
that's
an
excellent
question,
so
when
the
pandemic
started,
everyone
had
to
consider
it,
and
this
was
something
that
I
think
every
city
and
county
government
in
the
State
begin
implementing
plans
to
utilize
virtual
meetings.
The
state
passed
the
law
that
gave
temporary
authority
to
have
virtual
meetings,
but
that
only
lasted
until
the
governor
lifted,
the
state
of
emergency
for
the
entire
state
that
was
done
several
months
ago,
maybe
a
year
ago
now.
So
since
that
time
there
has
been
no
legal
allowance,
specifically
letting
public
bodies
meet
virtually.
H
However,
a
lot
of
cities
are
continuing
to
do
it
with
advisory
boards
and
commissions
most,
which
is
what
you
are.
It
is
very
rare
right
now
to
have,
and
and
I'm
not
immediately
aware
of
any
City
a
municipal
government
city
council
level
that
is
meeting
virtually
because
of
that
change
in
the
law.
But
there
are
boards,
such
as
yourself
advisory
boards
that
do
continue
to
meet
virtually.
So
we
here
in
Asheville,
have
tried
to
take
an
approach
to
give
you
as
many
options
as
we
can.
You
actually
have
more
than
the
city
council
has.
H
F
Commissioner,
Catherine
I
was
going
to
ask
if
this
be
possible.
If
we
were
to
vote
virtual
I
thought.
Commissioner
Venable
brought
up
a
good
point
in
terms
of
like
us,
coming
to
the
community
or
going
to
the
community
for
outreach.
That's
part
of
our
mission
as
a
sport,
and
so
if
we
were
to
do
virtual,
are
we
limited
to
where
we
go
and
could
we
just
meet
as
a
commission
virtually
at
a
like
a
Center
and
just
use
our
own
streaming
devices
personally
like
in
front
of
us?
A
This
is
your
liaison
Elena,
so
the
commission,
like
boards
and
commission
meetings
are
that
are
taking
place
in
person,
are
live
streamed
to
our
public
input,
our
engagement
page
as
well
as
the
city's
YouTube
page,
and
that
streaming
is
made
possible
through
a
streaming
station
or
a
few
streaming
stations
that
are
within
city
hall
and
maybe
some
other
City
buildings.
I,
don't
know
exactly
where
each
station
is
located.
A
If
there
are
others
in
besides
City
Hall,
and
so
an
in-person
meeting
for
this
commission
to
stream
online
to
increase
potential
attendance
to
commission
meetings
by
the
public
would
need
to
happen
where
a
streaming
station
is
located.
If
you
wanted
to
meet
in
community
without
having
the
meeting
streamed,
I
would
have
to
check
and
see
what
the
requirements
for
that
would
be.
A
I
believe
you
would
need
to
provide
notice
of
the
change
for
sure,
but
the
idea
behind
voting
on
your
meeting
format
is
to
make
it
consistent
so
that
people
know
how
to
engage
in
your
commission
meetings,
and
so,
whatever
format
you
choose.
That's
your
format
for
your
commission
meetings
for
the
rest
of
this
calendar
year
and
you
meet
every
other
month
right
now,
which
is.
B
13
meetings
are
virtual
out
of
all
of
the
board's
positions
right
now,
so
there
are
meetings
that
are
still
virtual
that
are
maintained
that
virtual
status
Public
Safety
Committee
is
virtual
Riverfront
Redevelopment
commission.
This
virtual
urban
forestry
is
virtual
city
council
committees.
Our
virtual
Mountain
Community
Capital
fund
is
virtual
Housing
and
Community.
Development
is
virtual
equation.
B
African-American
Heritage
commission
is
virtual.
There.
E
B
B
Is
on
how
to
proceed
in
a
way,
that's
conscious
with
accessibility
and
and
a
holistic
perspective
as
to
how
we
can
get
this
home
too,
come
to
the
meeting,
get
a
quorum
and
have
the
options.
D
D
D
And
as
far
as
one
Commissioner
of
Venable
was
talking
about
before
the
meetings
in
the
north,
south,
east
and
west
squadron
from
Asheville
I'm
all
for
that,
because
a
lot
of
people
have
necessarily
scary
Tendencies
about
coming
up
to
City
Hall.
You
know
the
police
and
necessarily
the
prayer,
the
presence
of
police.
You
know
well,
they
meet,
but
when
you
go
into
their
necessarily
comfort
zone,
you'll
get
more
response.
You
get
a
large
crowd.
I
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Smith
I
have
a
question:
did
we
have
more
people
attending
when
we
were
virtual
or
in
person,
because
you
know
I
attended
a
lot
when
we
were
virtual,
we
still
were
in
Quorum
at
times
so
I
want
to
know.
Do
we
were
we
better
in
Virtual
or
are
we
better
announcement.
C
S
I'm,
the
only
person
who's
been
here
this
book,
the
only
member
who's
been
here
from
day.
One
I
can
tell
you
that
anything
that
we've
had
in
person
in
the
community.
That
was
the
largest
Outreach
we
ever
had.
When
we
went
to
Virtual
there
were
times
we
didn't
have
court,
we've
had
more
Quorum,
I,
think
Within.
C
The
personal
sense,
because
you
have
to
look
at
this
board-
has
changed
so
much
in
the
last
and
I'm
gonna
piggyback
with
something
else
in
a
second.
But
this
board
is
so
new
that
we've
had
more
corn.
In
my
opinion,
in
the
last
say,
give
or
take
six
months
then
we've
seen
during
the
covert,
because
during
covert
we
didn't
meet
for
almost
a
year,
I
think
it
was
about
a
year
that
we
were
kind
of
stagnating,
because
no
one
was
a
meeting.
We
didn't
have
meetings
ourselves,
everything
was
shut
down,
am
I,
not
correct.
C
A
I'll
need
to
go
back
and
check
records
of
meetings.
A
If
I
may,
this
is
your
liaison
Elena.
A
A
This
is
your
second
meeting
back
in
person,
after
being
virtual
for
a
while,
so
that
there's
not
a
lot
of
data
after
virtual
that
you
have,
but
it
sounds
like
there
is
a
lot
of
discussion
that
still
needs
to
take
place
among
the
commission,
about
your
preference,
and
so
you
might
consider
tabling
this
for
a
future
meeting.
E
So
the
documents
that
are
available
on
the
hrca's
website
are
that
there
was
a
lapse
between
January
of
2020
and
July
of
2020.,
and
then
there
was
a
meeting
July
August
and
September
of
2020.
But
then
there
was
another
lapse
until
February
2021,
which
is
where
there
seems
to
have
been
a
documented,
regular
meeting.
B
All
right
so
I'm
going
to
call
a
point
of
order,
bring
the
meeting
back
and
we
seems
like
there's
a
an
agreement
across
in
the
room
to
table
this
discussion
and
then
move
on
to
our
next
item.
Up
for
business,
which
are
committee
updates,
there
are
key
actions
from
our
hrca
retreat
and
are
there
committee
updates
from
our
inter-government
relations
committee.
B
Really,
no
updates
nothing
to
report
Community
engagement.
Are
there
any
updates
for
Community
engagement.
J
No
real
updates
other
than
continuing
to
work
on
the
action
items
that
have
you
know
been
before
us
for
some
time
now
and
trying
to
answer
that
question
or
respond
to
the
state.
You
know
desire
for
more
youth
interaction,
we're
trying
to
figure
out
the
best
way.
K
Commissioner
Reed
just
a
couple
of
updates
that
have
been
brought
to
my
attention
for
2023
so
dealing
with
the
homeless
population
in
all
of
the
apartments
that
are
being
built
within
the
city.
To
address
this,
we
still
have
almost
5
000
people
that
are
on
a
waiting
list
to
be
housed
in
one
large
entity
of
Asheville,
and
that
is
through
the
Housing
Authority.
K
K
K
K
What
is
a
better
take
on
this
situation?
How
do
we
actually
help
this
situation?
What
can
we
do
to
focus
on
this
situation?.
J
K
So
the
information
that
I
received
from
Housing
Authority
are
of
the
5
000
people
that
have
applied
stating
that
they
are
in
need
of
housing,
not
ever
to
say
if
they
are
homeless
homeless
could
mean
several
things.
That
means
a
homeless
person
that
may
not
have
an
address
at
all
to
use
that
could
be
a
homeless
person
that
is
living
in
a
dwelling
with
someone
that
does
have
an
address
to
use.
That
is
not
their
own.
D
I,
like
commissioner
Harrell,
maybe
Brad,
has
some
input
on
this
question
that
I'm
fixing
to
ask
or
like
if
you
make
anybody
he
might.
Commissioner
I
mean
councilwoman
running
I,
know
we're
building
different
areas
of
as
far
as
housing
and
there's
so
many
are
allocated
toward
low
income.
G
H
This
has
been
a
focus
of
the
city
council
now
for
a
few
years
to
increase
not
just
the
supply
of
affordable
housing
and
specifically
trying
to
Target,
lower
and
lower
income
levels.
To
do
so,
we
do
coordinate
quite
a
bit
with
the
Housing
Authority.
H
Now
there
are
separate
entities,
so
so
they
have
their
own
things
going
on,
but
the
city
was
a
part
of
the
funding
model
that
was
recently
done
not
just
a
couple
years
ago
with
the
development
of
Maplecrest,
but
also
now
for
piska
view,
which
is
also
being
remodeled
and
excuse
me
in
phases
and
and
I
will
also
mention
that
the
the
city
also
Partners,
with
Homeward
Bound
and
the
Supportive
Housing,
that's
being
done
on
Tunnel
Road
at
the
old
days
insight,
as
well
as
the
city
initiative
at
the
old
Ramada
site
in
East
Asheville,
where
that's
going
to
be
now
converted
into
permanent
Supportive
Housing
as
well
so
there
as
to
the
exact
numbers
of
how
many
are
coming
online.
H
H
But
this
is
a
constant
fight
and
we
know
for
sure
that
the
numbers
that
are
coming
online,
the
problem
is,
is
that
income
levels
keep
going
up
and
as
income
levels,
keep
going
up,
our
ability
to
have
affordable
housing
gets
less
and
less
affordable
to
people
at
lower
income.
So
the
city
council
is
trying
to
work
with
City
staff
as
well
as
Community
Partners,
to
find
ways
to
Target
some
of
those
lower
incomes,
and
do
this
as
quickly
and
on
mass,
as
we
are
able.
D
D
D
My
ears,
the
contractors,
the
building
these
apartment
buildings
whatever,
and
then
they
didn't
live
up
to
their
park
as
far
as
giving
them
affordable,
housing
like
they
said
they
were
in
the
beginning.
What
happened
to
those
contractors.
H
Yeah,
so
so
the
city,
not
with
every
single
developer,
but
with
certain
new
developments,
primarily
the
city,
is
able,
through
the
development
of
of
either
through
zoning
process
or
new
developments
or
subsidies,
that
the
City
offers
is
able
to
gain
an
agreement
with
those
developers
and
the
people
who
run
these
apartment
complexes
to
provide
percentages
of
affordable
housing.
H
That's
something
that
we
have
dedicated
City
staff
who
monitor
that
on
a
yearly
basis
to
make
sure
that
they
as
the
developer
and
the
the
office
staff,
is
checking
to
make
sure
that
people
are
still
eligible
based
upon
incomes
that
they
are
still
renting
at
those
rates
we
asked
for
them
to
provide
the
leases,
the
information
to
show
that
they
have
verified,
that
it's
correct
income
going
into
those
things
and
if
they
do
not,
they
are
subject
to
have
to
repay
their
subsidy
to
the
city.
H
So
at
this
point
we
feel
pretty
good
that
those
out
there
who
have
the
obligation
to
keep
doing
and
providing
affordable
housing
are
doing
that
now.
Let
me
say
that
most
of
the
time
that
these
affordability
periods
don't
go
forever,
sometimes
they
do
we're
able
to
get
that,
but
many
cases
they
are
anywhere
from
maybe
20
years,
maybe
slightly
less,
maybe
more.
But
at
the
end
of
that
20-year
period,
the
obligation
to
maintain
those
affordable
units
often
goes
away.
H
At
the
end
of
those
20
years,
if
they
want
to-
and
every
time
we
go
through
one
of
these,
there
is
an
effort
to
try
to
push
that
term
out
as
far
as
possible.
But
we
have
legal
limits
on
how
much
we're
allowed
to
ask
of
those
people
and
with
with
the
more
that
we
ask
the
less
likely
they
are
to
come
to
us,
because
in
the
end
of
the
day,
these
developers
have
to
make
a
profit
to
do
what
they
do
and
if
it
doesn't
raise
the
kind
of
money
they
need.
H
H
People
don't
get
kicked
out
a
couple
of
years,
I
think
that
the
majority
of
the
affordable
housing
developments
we've
had
are
still
well
within
the
affordability
period.
Now
there
are
some
again
that
started
as
much
as
10
to
15
years
ago,
but
the
majority
are
still
going
and
as
we
see
them
now
getting
near
the
end
of
their
period,
And
I
know
we
just
had
one
in
the
past
couple
years
that
we
are
now
trying,
as
I
said,
to
work
with
those
developers
to
extend
that
period.
H
C
C
The
fact
that
this
is
a
taxpayer
energy,
you
got
5
000
people
if
the
numbers
are
correct
sitting
they
have
applied
for
housing
years
ago,
still
have
not
received
housing,
so
I'm
trying
to
make
this
make
sense
in
my
own
head,
because
my
brain
right
now
this
is
very
alarming
and
trouble
to
be,
as
he
is,
a
native
as
a
taxpayer.
Someone
who
works
in
this
community
lives
here
and
who's
trying
to
do
the
best
that
you
can.
You
have
5
000
people
on
a
waiting
list.
K
C
G
C
From
housing
up
to
red,
so
how
did
that
number
change
in
that
transition?
Does
anybody
have
those
stats,
and
where
can
we
find
those
that
data
at
because
numbers
don't
lie,
and
so,
when
I
can
look
at
something
and
what
the
the
money
scale
is,
because
you
always
have
to
chase
them?
Chase
somebody
I
hate
to
say
it,
but
you
have
to
follow
the
money.
So
I
want
to
know
like
how
5
000
10
years
ago,
we
didn't
even
have
200
people
on
the
waiting
list.
H
This
sounds
like
something
that
there
is
a
tremendous
amount
of
data
on
this
and,
unfortunately
I
I.
Don't
have
those
numbers
here
with
me
tonight,
but
I
would
recommend
that
this
be
an
item
you
put
on
a
future
agenda
and
in
the
interim
staff,
can
work
to
bring
the
resources
that
can
answer
your
questions
better
than
I,
but
also
give
you
the
kind
of
data
that
you
need
to
be
able
to
examine
this.
I
I
Who
we
need
to
I
think
the
hourly
liaison
for
that
commission
is
Sasha,
I,
don't
know
if
you
need
to
have
that.
You
know
conversation
to
cross
over
the
numbers
and
everything
but
yeah
we
were
even
talking
about
get.
H
I
Watchdog
for
the
sun,
sorry,
these
particular.
I
Because
they
say
that
they
have
units
that
are
affordable
and
I
used
to
run
a
housing
program
in
the
city
and
when
I
would
call
these
places
those
units
weren't
available
or
weren't
weren't,
affordable.
So
I
called
for
Watchdog
to
knock
on
these
doors
and
find
out
if
these
people
are
still
there,
I
want
to
see
I
want
to
see
if
these
units
are
still
being
held
as
affordable
and
serving
our
people
in
the
community,
because
I
don't
think
it's
true.
C
B
Going
on
right,
I
was
wondering,
if
maybe
commissioner
Smith,
and
if
you
can
bring
somebody
from
your
commission
or
organized
with
Elena,
to
have
somebody
from
the
community
women.
G
B
That
is
a
challenge
within
the
boards
and
commissions.
That
exists
is
the
lack
of
collaboration
and
Communications,
and
by
bringing
somebody
in
from
your
commission
that
we
can
I
believe
begin
to
initiate
the
process
of
cross
commission
across
board
collaboration
and
work
together
on
addressing
that
very
Stark
and
real
and.
K
A
May
I
Madam
chair
I
want
to
note
the
time
at
7
34,
and
this
is
an
awesome
conversation.
Clearly,
some
more
research
needs
to
be
done.
A
So
I
would
like
to
suggest
bring
this
back
information
back
to
the
addressing
housing
issues
working
group
compiling
some
data,
if
you'd
be
willing
to
share
with
me,
commissioner
Reed.
The
report
that
you
received
and
commissioner
Smith
I'll
take
a
look
into
the
meeting
materials
from
the
housing,
affordable,
housing
commission
and
see
if
I
can
find
that
presentation
and
send
it
out
to
Commissioners
and
I'd,
be
very
happy
to
work
with
commission
members
to
see
if
we
can
get
a
presentation
at
the
hrca
meeting
as
well.
C
So
that
was
one
of
the
things
I
wouldn't
want
to
bring
up
is
bring
some
of
the
systems
that
are
larger
within
our
entities.
We
were
talking
about
having
some
discussions
with
some
other
things
like
Education,
Health
Care,
bringing
some
of
these
systems,
because
these
are
the
systems
that
are
systemic,
that
affect
people
that
also
affect
the
greater
Ashland
large.
C
In-Person
presentation
they
might
be
able
to
do
a
personal
presentation
that
we
can
all
look
at
individually
to.
Let
us
know
what
folks,
what
their
mission
is,
what
they
do
for
the
city,
what
impact
they
have
are
the
high
barrier
low
barrier,
what
type
of
Services
they
provide,
and
how
does
this
affect
folks
and
what
our
subcommittees
can
do
to
influence
a
better
representation
if
there
is
not
and
I
think
this
conversation
right
here
kind
of
just
made
it
a
little
bit
more
realistic.
C
B
C
C
C
B
Thank
you
very
much.
Next,
oh.
D
Before
we
move
forward
out
of
community
athletes,.
G
D
Could
you
supply
the
information
talking
about
the
bylaws
and
everything
and,
and
the
next
thing
have
you
heard.
A
Yes,
commissioner,
post
did
let
us
know
he
would
be
late
to
the
meeting
this
evening
and.
A
Him
so
I,
don't
think
he's
coming
now
that
we're
almost
at
the
end
and
yes
I
can
provide
a
link
to
your
to
the
general
boards
and
commissions
manual
and
then
also
the
procedures
for
the
human
relations
Commission
of
Asheville
provide.
E
B
Moving
on
to
our
next
item
up
for
business,
Community
announcements,
Community
announcements.
B
All
right
and
also
moving
on
to
our
next
item
up
for
business.
If
there's
no
Community
announcement,
are
there
anybody
in
the
queue
for
a
while.
A
D
Oh
okay,
before
we
adjourn
I
have
one
thing:
that's
like
I
couldn't
find
it
earlier,
but
I
found
it
it's
concerning
what
we
discussed
earlier,
as
as
far
as
a
concerning
the
North
Carolina
period,
the
crown
act
it
bands
here
this
is
called
the
North
Carolina
and
what
where
they
are
at
now,
North
Carolina
fans
are
discrimination,
protects
natural
and
protective
Style
prejudice.
D
H
Of
the
center,
so
the
the
crown
act,
Senate
Bill
165-
has
it
with
a
similar
House
Bill
House
Bill
won
70
I
believe
those
have
been
put
forth
by
a
couple
of
different
of
our
legislators.
Those
have
gone
into
committees
for
view.
That's
a
very
standard
process
for
any
bill
they
are
assigned
by
the
evil
house
was
Senate
leadership
to
go
through
certain
committees
for
review
before
they
go
to
the
full
Chambers
for
votes.
H
This
is
not
uncommon,
but
I
would
say
that
this
particular
bill
has
a
very,
very
low
chance
of
becoming
law.
With
the
current
makeup
of
the
legislature,
I
would
doubt
that
it
will
even
receive
a
vote
right
now
now
I
could
be
wrong.
A
big
part
of
my
job
is
watching
over
what
the
legislature
does
and
communicating
about
those
things
and
I
have
heard
no
indication
that
these
particular
bills,
either
on
the
house
side
or
the
Senate
side,
are
going
to
move
forward
for
a
full
vote.