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B
All
committee
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually.
We
appreciate
your
patience
this
morning.
We
are
streaming
live
on
our
virtual
engagement
hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city
website,
and
also
linked
on
our
downtown
commission
committee
page.
B
We
also
have
an
option
for
the
public
to
listen,
live
by
phone
and
us
to
everyone
attending
today.
Thank
you
for
coming
and
welcome
at
this
time.
I
will
call
us
to
order
and
go
through
a
roll
call
and
introduce
the
committee
members
who
are
participating.
Virtually
please
committee
members
make
sure
to
mute
your
microphone.
If
you
are
not
speaking,
if
you
have
a
question
you
can
unmute
or
you
can
raise
your
hand
and
committee
members.
As
I
call
your
name.
Please
say
a
quick
hello,
dane
barriger.
C
E
D
B
Good
morning
stephen
lee
johnson.
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D
B
Geo
geo,
sorry,
sorry
megan.
D
B
Good
morning,
thank
you
folks
and
so
to
to
help
our
anyone
following
along.
We
will
work
through
our
agenda
or
again,
our
agenda
is
on
the
the
downtown
commission
webpage
if
you'd
like
to
follow
along
at
this
time,
we
will
go
through
and
approve
the
minutes
of
our
last
last
meeting
our
february
meeting
and
yeah.
So
do
we
have
any
corrections
or
additions
to
the
minutes
for
the
february
meeting.
C
I
have
one
so
my
name
was
misspelled
on
last
month's
minutes.
It
was
also
misspelled
on
this
month's
minutes.
D
D
I
know
that
this
summers
I
noticed
there
was
something
from
the
minutes
that
called
megan
ex-officio
at
belushi's.
B
Okay,
any
other
corrections
or
revisions.
B
All
right
would
someone
like
to
make
a
motion
that
we
accept
the
minutes
as.
I
B
Perfect,
all
in
favor,
oh,
I
have
to
do
a
roll
call
vote.
Don't
I
this
is
fun
all
right.
I'll
go
through
each
person,
dane
barriger
aye
franzi,
chairman.
D
E
J
E
B
Ruth
summers,
sage.
B
I
do
okay,
all
right,
very
good,
then
I'll
go
back
through
robin.
D
B
Yeah
hi
and
myself
as
I,
the
motion
passes
so
with
that
we
will
so
this
morning
we're
going
to
be
looking
at.
Our
first
item
will
be
updates
to
our
160,
our
general
statute,
160d.
In
the
rules
of
procedure.
B
We
will
also
hear
from
shannon
tuck
on
design
review,
process
updates
and
discussion,
and
then
we
will
look
at
our
updates
and
reports
and
go
through
our
committee
meetings.
So
at
this
time
I
believe
janice
ashley
is
on
to
discuss
how
the
how
the.
D
B
K
Thank
you
brian
good
morning,
commission
members,
I'm
janice
ashley,
I'm
a
senior
assistant
city
attorney.
I
focus
on
land
use
and
planning
matters,
among
other
things
here
at
the
city,
and
I
don't
think
I've
had.
K
I
advise
the
planning
in
zoning
commission
and
the
historic
resources
commission
for
the
legal
department,
and
I
haven't
been
before
the
downtown
commission
in
quite
a
while,
but
I
have
presented
to
you
folks
and
and
recognize
some
people
that
I've
worked
with
before
and
guillau
is
going
to
be,
will
have
to
be
hearing
this
similar
presentation
multiple
times
and
already
has
being
on
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
as
well.
K
But
this
morning
I'm
going
to
talk
to
you
about
a
new
north
carolina
statute,
160d,
which
is
it's
a
statute
which
clarifies
combines
and
replaces
what
used
to
be
the
planning
and
zoning
and
development
regulations
for
cities
and
and
and
counties
combines
them
all
into
one.
Hopefully,
more.
Organized
statute
that
relates
to
planning
and
zoning
laws
for
the
state
of
north
carolina.
K
It
was
adopted
in
2019,
went
into
effect
in
2020
june
of
2020,
but
because
it
can
mean
that
big
changes
to
cities,
individual
unified
development,
ordinances
or
other
parts
of
their
code,
this
the
legislature,
is
giving
cities
until
july
of
this
year
2021
to
make
any
changes
to
be
sure.
We
come
into
compliance
with
one
with
this
new
statute.
K
Basically,
though
there
are
not,
it
really
is
just
about
organizing
and
clarifying
certain
things.
There
are
not
many
substantial
changes
to
the
planning
laws
through
this
statute,
but
because
you
are
a
commission
or
board
that
focuses
on
land-use
and
planning
development.
It
is
something
that
you
really
should
be
aware
of.
K
I
have
provided
in
your
packet,
some
general
information
about
160d
and
what
I
think
is
one
of
the
most
helpful
pieces
that
came
from
the
school
of
government
to
help
you
walk
through
the
the
changes
is
that
160d
checklist,
and
so
I'm
happy
to
answer
at
the
end
of
this
any
general
questions
you
might
have,
but
today
we're
going
to
focus
on
one
change
that
does
specifically
impact
boards
and
commissions,
and
that
is
that
boards
and
commissions
planning,
related
and
development
planning
and
development
related
decisions
have
a
conflict
of
interest
standard
that
has
been
broadened
from
what
it
used
to
be
and,
and
I
think,
dana's
going
to
be
sharing
the
screen
and
I've
been
going.
K
I've
updated
your
rules
of
procedure,
which
is
where
we
find
your
conflict
of
interest
standards.
It's
not
found
in
the
udo
it's
found
in
individual
commissions
rules
of
procedure,
so
this
is
what
I'm
focusing
on,
but
I've
also
done
since
I
went
in
there.
I've
done
a
few
cleanups
that
are
not
related
to
160d
in
your
wooza
procedure.
K
But
basically,
what
160d
is
saying
is
that
boards
and
commissions
now
have
a
standard.
Your
conflict
of
interest
standard
is,
you
should
not
be
voting
on
a
on
a
matter
that
in
which
you
have
a
direct,
substantial
and
readily
identifiable
financial
impact
on
you
now
that
has
always
been
the
standard
to
the
state
for
planning
related
boards.
K
It
seems
pretty,
and
it's
pretty
straightforward.
I
know
that
with
quasi
judicial
boards,
they
already
have
this
kind
of
expanded
standard,
and
I
have
gotten
questions
in
the
past
from
quasi
judicial
boards,
like
the
historic
resources
commission
on
what
does
that
mean?
How
close?
What
should
I
do?
K
And
it's
often
it's
often
clear,
but
when
it's
muddy,
it
is
something
that
you
can
check
with
with
dana
or
sasha
as
staff,
or
they
can
check
with
me,
because,
when
you're
balancing
your
conflict
of
interest,
you're
balancing
that
with
your
duty
to
participate
in
meetings
and
what
I
used
to
say
to
hrc
members
who
often
would
know
a
neighbor
because
they're
in
the
historic
district
it
it's
sometimes
is
not
clear
and
it's
best
to
just
disclose
it
and
see
if
the
rest
of
the
board
thinks
that
that's
an
actual
conflict,
because
you
shouldn't
be
recusing
yourself
just
because
you
feel
uncomfortable,
because
you
kind
of
know
somebody.
K
This
is
really
talking
about
a
close
familial
business
relationship.
So
that's
it.
The
the
old
statute
was
160a
381d,
and
now
it's
changed
to
this
160d
109.
K
and
the
other
changes
I
may
and-
and
I
guess
I'll
stop
and
see.
If
you
have
any
questions
about
that
conflict
of
interest
standard
and
then
I
can
just
walk
basically
through
the
other
few
changes
I
made
as
cleanups.
B
B
Questions
on
hrc,
so
she's
already
coached
me
through
it.
K
Okay,
thank
you,
janice
and
then
dana.
I
don't
know
if
you,
if
you
want
to
scroll
through
the
other
changes.
I
noticed
that
that
your
I
think
back
at
the
top
one
of
the
changes
was
it.
It
referred
to
the
downtown
commission
making
quasi
judicial
decisions.
In
my
time
here,
which
has
been
10
years.
I
do
not
think
that
the
downtown
commission
has
made
quasi-judicial
decisions
and
those
are
things
like
variances.
K
That
would
go
to
the
board
of
adjustment,
for
example,
but
I
I
think
sasha
told
me
that
at
one
time
the
downtown
commission
may
have
heard
certain
variances,
but
now
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
will
hear
variances,
for
example,
for
downtown
matters
so
that
that's
probably
that
change
and
then
the
types
of
hearings.
This
was
just
confusing
to
me
and
I
and
I
don't
know
how
often
you
focus
on
these
rules.
K
I
thought
it's
best
to
just
say
you
have
your
hearings
as
you
have
them,
and
you
shouldn't
really
call
things
informal
matters
or
formal
matters,
because
they
are
both
public
meetings,
they're
all
public
meetings,
so
I
just
thought
it
was
not
necessary
to
have
that
and
then,
of
course,
I
cut
the
quasi-judicial
hearings
out
of
there
and
then
the
last
thing,
which
I
amended
and
shannon
tuck
will
be.
K
Probably
speaking
more
about
this
in
her
presentation
is,
I
am
aware
of
the
the
approved
change
to
the
design
review
committee,
and
so
I
just
went
in
and
and
put
what
the
that
approved
composition
of
that
committee
is,
but
I
understand
there
might
be
some
more
questions
about
that
and
you
may
want
to
do
further
changes
to
your
rules
of
procedure
in
that
regard,
but
was
just
trying
to
since
you
were
looking
at
the
rules,
try
to
give
you
those
changes
to
make
as
many
changes
into
one
meeting
so
that
that
part's
done
so
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
about
those
rules
or
160d
just
generally.
B
So
you're
going
to
need
us
to
make
a
motion
to
adopt
the
amended
rules
procedure
as
presented
during
our
meeting
today,
but
we're
probably
going
to
want
to
wait
until
we
have
that
discussion
with
shannon
regarding
the
design
review
process
before
we
do.
That
is
that
correct.
K
B
That's
what
I'm
that's,
what
I'm
asking
if
you
want
us
to
do
this
as
a
two-part
motion,
we
can
do
the
first
motion
to
do
to
adopt
the
specific
items
relating
to
160d,
specifically
conflict
of
interest
e
agenda
and
then
striking
current
item
three
under
article
f
hearings
as
as
proposed.
B
Okay
see
a
couple
hands
up,
shannon
you
have
your
hand
up.
L
Yeah
just
really
quickly
janice,
I
just
noticed
in
the
the
rewritten
language.
This
is
a
technical
clarification
under
the
design
review
committee,
as
as
you
have
it
written,
it
kind
of
sounds
like
council
makes
the
the
appointment
of
the
ninth
seat
from
the
community
at
large,
and
that's
not
the
case.
The
committee
members,
once
they're
appointed,
will
choose
that
ninth
seat.
K
Right
but
right
now
you're
not
voting
on
that
part
of
the
rules
right.
So
you
can.
You
can
probably
clarify
how
you
want
that
to
read
in
the
next
after
the
next
presentation.
D
B
Okay,
do
we
have
any
questions
regarding
the
the
changes
to
our
rules
of
procedure,
specifically
as
it
relates
to
a
general
statute,
160d.
H
C
D
C
B
B
Well,
then,
would
someone
like
to
make
a
motion
that
we
adopt
the
changes
to
the
rules
of
procedure,
specifically
as
it
were,
regarding
160d,
as
proposed.
B
F
Oh
I'm
sorry,
I
was
going
to
make
a
motion
that
we
accept.
We
approved
the
160d
with
revisions,
as
noted.
B
D
J
I
want
to
say
I,
but
I'm
not
sure
what
we're
voting
on.
Is
it
just
160d
or
is
it
everything
janice
went
through.
B
It
is
everything
janice
went
through,
so
I
will
go
through
that
to
be
clear,
so
that
would
be
under
article
five
meetings:
item
d,
conflicts
of
interest,
the
the
highlighted
in
marked
out
items
as
noted.
There
item
e
agenda
to
insert
other
business
and
then
item
under
hearings-
f
sub
article
f,
to
strike
the
types
of
hearings
so
that
we
only
have
one
type
of
hearing
which
is
our
our
meeting.
It
would
be
those
those
three
items
as
they
relate
to
general
statute.
160D.
J
Okay,
so
before
I
say
iron,
a
my
question
is
more
about
the
types
of
meetings.
So
where
would
that
live?
Do
you
want
me
to
say
iron
a
and
then
we'll
have
a
discussion.
B
We
can
have
a
discussion
in
the
middle
of
well,
let's,
let's
we've
had
a
motion
in
a
second,
but
we
can.
B
Yeah
we
do,
or
or
if
you,
if
you
I
apologize,
I
should
have.
I
thought
we-
we
should
have
had
more
this
discussion
prior
to
the
vote,
but
now
that
I've
opened
the
vote,
I've
got
to
complete
the
vote
and
you
can.
B
You
can
propose
an
amendment
at
this
point
in
time
to
the
to
the
item.
As
it's
on
the
floor,
I'm
racking
my
brain
for
robert's
rules
right
now.
I
apologize
so
I
think
you
can
either
vote
a
a
or
nay
or
yes
or
no
or
or
propose
an
amendment.
Those
are
all
right
options
right
now,.
J
Yeah,
I
would
just
say
I
with
an
amendment
to
the
types
of
meetings.
B
Okay,
what
would
be
the
proposed
amendment
for
the
types
of
meetings.
H
B
Thank
you.
So
we
have
a
a
motion
and
a
second
to
adopt
it
as
written.
Commissioner
hunter
has
proposed
an
amendment
to
include.
H
B
Okay,
so,
commissioner
hunter,
you
want
to
make
sure
so
we
have.
We
have
hearings
general.
The
commission
shall
conduct
hearings
on
such
matters
as
the
city
code
provides
that's
still
in
there,
which
could
be
our
normal
commission
or
any
other
committee
or
working
group
as
we
see
fit.
B
We
have
understanding
committees,
the
the
design,
review,
rules
and
nomination
and
then
under
ad
hoc,
we
can
basically
set
up
any
committee
that
we
see
fit
and
have
hearings
as
it
is.
So
I
believe
that
as
it's
written,
I
think
it
it
will
accommodate
the
intent
of
what
I
understand.
You're
you're,
proposing.
F
Yes,
sir,
I
agree
it's
already
in
the
language.
B
C
Yeah,
I
agree,
I
think
it's
already
covered
in
the
document
as
it
stands.
B
H
K
Number
three:
on
page
four,
dana
page
four.
D
H
A
K
Keep
going
no
go
back
up
dana
it's
it's
section.
We.
K
L
H
It
about
the
word
language
that
we've
changed:
commission
committees
to
okay,
so
the
goal
being
that
those
working
groups
can
have
hearings,
because
I
think
the
working
group
move
was
to
get
them
to
be
able
to
meet
without
all
of
this
productivity
and
production
and
stuff,
which
means-
and
they
probably
can't
vote
on
things
or
have
hearings,
because
they
don't
have
all
this
production
stuff
in
public
meeting.
I
think
yeah.
J
No,
no,
that
and
I'm
not
saying
yes
or
no.
I
think
what
I'm
questioning
and
again,
because
it's
a
public
meeting
and
we
have
people
citizens
in
the
in
our
community.
That
watch-
and
this
is
a
learning
moment
for
all
of
us-
is
that
it
was
stated
that
we
didn't
have
a
need
to
separate
the
types
of
meetings.
J
In
my
opinion,
this
whole
process
a
disservice
to
actually
uplift
and
amplify
the
work
that
we
do
in
this
commission
and
why
some
things
are
highly
public
and
noticed
and
why
working
groups
aren't-
and
that's
really
the
point
of
me
bringing
this
up
to
bring
that
clarification,
because
many
community
members
get
highly
confused,
don't
know
the
difference,
don't
understand!
Why
there's
a
privilege
to
do
one
and
not
the
other,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that,
if
we're
using
that
language,
where
is
it?
J
Why
is
it
there
and
you
know,
communities
more
knowledgeable
as
a
result.
H
You
know,
I
think
this
language
is
particular
to
the
commission
and
not
it's
not
two.
It's
committees
right,
it's
just
to
the
commission-
is
that.
D
H
Yeah,
so
then,
what
we
probably
need
to
do
is
what
you're
talking
about
is
more
language
around
the
difference
between
working
groups
and
why
they're
treated
differently
and
what
committees
do
versus
working
groups.
I
imagine
that
language
exists
as
we
went
through
that
process
of
separating
them,
and
maybe
it's
I
don't
think
this
is
maybe
necessarily
the
right
place
for
it.
But
I
understand.
J
H
And
yeah
it
is
a
big
move
to
have
those
working
groups
and
non-public
meeting
committees.
I
I
do
think-
and
I
know
it
was
a
an
effort
to
continue
to
allow
the
work
to
keep
happening
and
under
the
pandemic
rules,
but
maybe
we
can
do
a
better
job
explaining
that.
K
I
I
think
I
understand
what
you're
saying
kimberly
the
what
struck
me.
I
mean
I'm
sort
of
just
looking
at
these
rules
out
of
just
just
not
really
focusing
on
that,
but
what
it
struck
me
as
is
that
it's
not
correct.
You
know
for
a
long
time
subcommittees
even
sometimes
forgot
about.
Maybe
they
considered
themselves
more
informal,
so
they
were
not
meeting
the
public
meetings,
laws,
open
meetings,
laws
and
I
think
when
we
started
the
city
started,
paying
more
attention
to
boards
and
commissions
and
committees
and
how
things
function.
K
That
became
more
clear.
That
subcommittees
are
public
hearings
and
do
need
to
be
noticed
and
do
need
to
be
open
to
the
public,
and
so
I'm
I'm
sorry,
I'm
not.
I
was
not
involved
in
your
working
group
discussion,
but
if
there
is
a
a
working
group
and
sometimes
in
legal
we'd,
have
to
look
at
what
tips
the
scale
into
how
many
members
are
meeting,
so
it
does
in
fact
become
an
open
meeting
subject
to
the
open
meetings
law.
K
K
If
you
have
that
kind
of
committee,
and
you
want
to
make
clear
for
the
public
and
for
yourselves
as
a
commission
what
what
that
that
body
is
able
to
do
and
if
it's
not
subject
to
open
meetings,
then
I
I
agree
with
you
that
that
should
probably
be
clarified
in
your
rules.
But
I
again
was
not
involved
in
conversations
you've
had
in
the
past
about
working
groups,
and
maybe
the
staff
understands
that
better
and-
and
maybe
we
could
look
at
the
rules
again
and
I
can
help
with
that
to
clarify.
B
As
it's
currently
written,
and
even
as
we
are
currently
amending
it,
there
are
no
working
groups
under
the
rules
of
procedure.
There
is
only
the
downtown
commission
in
its
committees
and
the
downtown
commission
and
its
committees
are
all
subject
to
the
the
public
meeting
laws
as
it's
written
currently
written
and
even
as
we're
we're
messing
with
it,
so
we
shouldn't
not
be
having
design
review
meetings
or
any
other
subcommittee
meetings
that
are
not
open
to
the
public
and-
and
we
abide
by
these
these
rules,
that's
the
way
I
understand
it.
B
I
know
that
we've
talked
about
working
groups
and
stuff
and
part
of
that's
a
pandemic,
but
that's
not
that's
not
the
way.
These
rules
are
written.
B
A
I
think
I
think
it's
a
really
good
point
and
my
understanding
is
that
we're
heading
in
a
direction
to
allow
the
opportunity
for
more
informal
type
working
groups.
I
think
we
might
need
to
take
a
closer
look
at
this
and
and
come
back
at
a
later
date
to
get
that
language
right,
because
I
think
we
need
to
reconcile
with
the
direction
that
our
city
clerk's
office
is
sending
us
and
and
and
janice.
A
We
had
a
discussion
at
last
month's
meeting
about
transitioning
a
couple
of
the
existing
standing
committees
to
informal
working
groups,
and
so,
let's
I
think
it's
a
great
point,
miss
hunter,
and
I
think
that
that
we
should
get
this
right.
B
So
kimberly
could
we
would
so
so
I'm
not
looking
for
you
know
a
unanimous
thing
I
would
rather
could
we
could?
We
approve
the
language
that
we
currently
have?
That
would
leave
all
the
just,
basically
we're
the
downtown
commission
and
we
work
by
committees
and
we
there
are
new
working
groups
and
then
let
staff
and
legal
counsel
work
on
the
working
group,
language
and
amend
that
later
is
that
yeah.
L
There's
not
a
huge
rush
on
this,
so
if
it
makes
sense
to
just
kind
of
because
I
know
we're
going
to
also
talk
probably
about
the
design
review
committee
piece.
So
maybe
maybe
the
commission
would
like
to
just
sort
of
table
this.
While
we
address
these
different
things
and
then
we'll
just
come
back
at
a
later
date
and
just
kind
of
do
the
whole
thing.
Hopefully
all
tidied
up.
K
I
think
it
would
be
fine,
shannon,
except
you
know,
we're
trying
to
check
off
our
boxes
of
160d
and
I'm
trying
to
go
through
all
the
different
committees.
Just
you
know
I'll
have
like
six
other
committees
to
get
this
at
least
say:
okay,
we've
done
this
for
160d,
which
I
realize
is
not
absolutely
have
to
happen
until
july.
But
well,
if
we're
not
going
to
get
everything
a
160d
change,
I
I
would
hope
that
that
could
stay.
H
Have
your
hand
up,
I'm
just
gonna,
I'm
happy!
I
it
feels
weird
to
not
be
chair
and
make
motions.
I'm
happy
to
make
a
motion.
I'm
adjusting
sorry
to
return
to
the
to
strike
the
amendment
to
approve
the
changes
and
add.
B
Yeah
I
know,
but
so
we
have
an
original.
H
B
Do
is
we
could
just
defeat
the
motion
to
amend
and
then
you
could
make
that
amendment
or
or
we
could
just
complete.
The
motion
we'll
have
a
separate
motion
to
do
the
staff
to
do
the
working
groups.
How
does
that
sound
all
right?
So
I'm
going
to
do
the
motion.
The
the
emotion
to
amend
and
I'm
going
to
do,
a
roll
call.
Is
everybody?
B
Do
y'all
know
what
we're
doing.
Let
me
go
through
that
again.
We
have
an
original
motion
all
right
to
accept
the
language
as
written,
we
have
an
emotion
to
amend
that.
I
would
that
I'm
gonna
go
through
a
roll
call.
I
think
we
can
strike
that
approve
the
original
motion
and
then
we'll
have
someone
make
a
second
motion
to
instruct
staff
to
work
on
working
group
language.
B
C
B
You
wouldn't
even
go
through
it
again:
okay,
yeah,
there
you
go.
Commissioner
fletcher
is
not
here,
commissioner:
hunter
hi,
okay,
stephen
lee
johnson
nate,
robin
mayo,
hey.
B
Okay
sage.
H
B
B
Thank
you,
stephen
lee
hi
robin.
D
B
D
B
D
B
D
B
H
B
And
myself
will
vote
I,
so
it
carries
with
one
nay,
very
good.
So
at
this
time,
if
you'd
like
to
make
a
motion
requesting
that
staff
review
language
regarding
working
groups
and
make
recommendations
to
revise
the
rules
of
procedure
to
to
allow
and
clarify
the
use
and
the
proper
legal
use
and
proper
requirements
for
working
groups,
this
would
be
a
good
time
to
do
so.
I
B
Okay,
very
good,
all
right
robin
made
it
it's
it's.
We
have
a
say:
you
still
have
your
hand
up,
you're,
good,
okay,
all
right.
The
the
motion
is
made
by
commissioner
reigns
and
seconded
by
sage
turner.
They
everybody
understand
that
motion
very
good.
Commissioner
barriger.
C
B
J
D
J
D
D
D
B
And
I
am-
and
I
very
good
yay
all
right-
I
think
I
know
we're
doing
janice-
does
that
take
care
of
what
you
needed
from
us
for
today.
K
B
Very
good,
thank
you.
Okay.
I
believe
our
next
item
of
business,
new
business
is
a
presentation
of
the
design
review,
process
updates
and
a
discussion
by
shannon
tuck.
L
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I'm
going
to
share
my
screen
and
I
just
want
to
remind
the
commission
that
when
I
share
my
screen
I
cannot
see
faces.
So
if
there's
something
about
what
I'm
presenting
on
or
saying
that
doesn't
make
sense
or
there's
a
burning
question.
Please
go
ahead
and
stop
me,
but
audibly
so
you'll
have
to
to
unmute
yourself
and
and
ask
me
the
question
or
ask
me
to
stop
and
clarify
something.
So
so
let
me
give
me
just
one
moment
and
I
will
start
the.
L
Presentation,
and
if
somebody
could,
let
me
know
that
if
you
could
see
my
screen,
we
can
great.
Thank
you
so
good
morning.
Everybody
thank
you
for
setting
aside
a
little
bit
of
time
for
us
to
talk
about
this,
the
new
design
review
process.
L
I
believe
I've
met
everybody
or
I've
been
before
you
all
before
and
but
just
to
maybe
connect
some
dots
for
you.
As
I've
appeared
before
the
commission
over
the
years.
You've
probably
already
noticed
that
it's
usually
in
association
with
development,
so
it
might
be
a
development
project.
It
might
be
development,
guidelines
or
standards.
L
So
in
discussing
this
this
new
process,
I
wanted
to
just
first
start
with
some
design
review
related
goals.
Our
goals
related
to
design
review
primarily
come
from
the
living,
asheville
comprehensive
plan
and
there's
multiple
references
throughout
the
plan
that
refer
to
design
review,
there's
also
a
report
from
the
urban
land
institute,
and
this
was
a
report
that
was
commissioned
by
the
city
a
number
of
years
ago,
and
this
report
was
more
specifically
about
hotels,
but
it
included
recommendations
regarding
design
and
design
review.
L
So
these
two
documents
kind
of
give
us
our
sort
of
our
direction
and
our
marching
orders
and
very
plainly.
The
three
main
goals
were
improving
design
in
the
built
environment
and
really
kind
of
falling
under
that
goal
is
prioritizing
updates
to
the
design
guidelines
and
then
strengthening
formalizing
and
streamlining
the
design
review
process.
L
L
So
the
new
design
review
process
kind
of
centers
around
a
new
standing
design
review
committee
and
it
really
what
that
what
we've
done
is
we've
collapsed.
The
two
design
review
subcommittees,
one
that
belonged
to
the
downtown
commission
and
one
from
the
riverfront
commission
into
one
standing
committee.
L
L
We
we
want
to
ensure
that
the
design
review
committee
has
some
design
expertise,
but
also
keep
it
open
and
flexible
enough
to
ensure
that
we
can
have
equitable
representation
on
this
new
committee.
So
there's
there's
more
to
design
than
just
having
that
degree
and
there's
more
perspectives
and
things
that
we
need
to
think
about
when
contemplating
design.
So
we
we
were
very
purposeful
in
this
requirement
of
those
nine
members.
City
council
will
appoint
eight
of
them.
L
Four,
coming
from
the
membership
of
the
downtown
commission
and
four
coming
from
the
riverfront
commission,
the
ninth
seat,
that
last
seat
is
actually
appointed
by
as
a
sort
of
a
member
at
large
from
from
the
general
community
member
at
large,
but
by
the
seated
members
of
the
committee.
L
So
that's
that's
the
one
seat
that
I
think,
if
you
feel
like
there's
a
gap
in
expertise
on
the
on
the
commission
or
a
gap
in
representation
or
a
gap
in
perspective
that
you
can
kind
of
purposefully
look
for
people
who
kind
of
fill
that
that
void
for
that
night's
seat.
L
So
almost
half
of
the
members
on
this
new
committee
will
be
members
of
the
downtown
commission
and
then
similarly
the
riverfront
commission.
There
is
also
the
opportunity
to
provide
some
input
to
staff
through
the
review
process
and
I'm
going
to
go
over
that
in
a
little
bit
more
detail
in
just
a
moment.
L
L
They
will
continue
to
receive
and
accept
those
applications
through
march
19th.
So
if
this
is
something
you
could
potentially
be
interested
in,
I
would
really
encourage
you
to
get
that
application
in.
If
you
haven't
already,
it
would
be
great
to
have
a
number
of
people
interested
this.
Those
applications
will
be
reviewed
by
the
committee
on
boards
and
commissions
on
april
13th.
L
So
this
way
it
helps
ensure
that
we
don't
lose
a
lot
of
people
at
one
time
and
we
can
have
sort
of
staggered
appointments
and
kind
of
maintain
most
of
the
seats
as
we
need
so
just
to
talk
briefly
about
the
former
design
review
process.
I
probably
don't
need
to
really
spend
much
of
any
time
on
this,
but
it
begins
with
the
staff
review.
L
Of
course,
then
there
is
a
presentation
to
the
design
review
subcommittee
of
whichever
respective
design
review
area
we
were
discussing
at
the
time
and
then
the
subcommittee
will
make
their
recommendations
to
the
larger
commission
and
then,
of
course,
the
applicant
and
the
staff.
You
know,
make
their
presentation
to
the
larger
commission
and
then
the
commission
is
the
one
who
votes
on
the
project.
L
Now.
If
this
is
a
project
that
has
more
steps
in
the
entitlement
review
process,
it
might
go
to
the
plane,
zoning,
commission
or
city
council,
then
those
recommendations
get
carried
forward
through
that
process.
L
F
Okay,
after
the
design
review
commission
finishes
the
work,
will
it
go
automatically
planning
or
straight
to
council.
L
The
design
review
committee,
it
depends
on
what
kind
of
project
we're
discussing.
So
if
it's
a
a
level
two
project,
a
downtown
level,
two
project,
this
ends
at
the
planning
and
zoning
commission.
L
So
the
design
review
committee's
recommendation
would
be
carried
to
the
planning
zoning
commission
and
it
would
end
there
if
it
is
a
level
three
or
a
conditional
zoning.
It's
going
to
go
all
the
way
to
city
council
and
if
that's
the
case,
the
recommendation
will
be
carried
to
both
the
plain
zoning
commission
and
city
council.
L
You're
welcome
so
the
other
thing.
So
that's
you
know
guillau's
question
kind
of
finished
half
of
what
I
was
going
to
say
about
this
particular
slide.
You
know
we
kind
of
moved
through
a
similar
process,
it
just
kind
of
flips
the
the
role
of
the
design
review
committee
and
the
downtown
commission.
So
it's
the
the
commission
will
review
the
project
first
if
they
have
design
review
related
feedback
that
will
be
carried
to
the
design
review
committee
and
then
that
committee
evaluates
the
project
and
makes
a
recommendation
that
gets
carried
on
in
the
process.
L
One
thing
I
want
to
point
out
about
this
slide
is
we
recognize
that
the
purview
of
both
the
downtown
commission
and
the
riverfront
commission
is
much
broader
than
just
design
review.
You
know
you
may
have
additional
thoughts
or
feedback
that
you
want
to
provide
related
to
other
things.
You
know
it
could
be
community
compatibility
or
climate
change
or
business
vitality
or
economic
development.
Now
all
of
that
feedback
will
similarly
be
carried
forward.
L
It's
just
going
to
be
channeled
a
little
bit
differently.
If
you
have
that
kind
of
feedback,
it's
going
to
be
taken
directly
to
the
plains,
zoning
commission,
rather
than
filtered
through
another
body
first,
and
that
more
or
less
completes
my
summary
of
this
new
process.
L
I
think
I
had
purposely
kept
it
kind
of
brief
so
that
we
could
reserve
some
time
for
just
open
discussion
or
other
questions.
I
will
just
add
that
we
did
meet
yesterday.
We
did.
I
did
the
same
presentation
with
the
riverfront
redevelopment
commission
and
we
had
a
good
conversation
there,
and
I
I
wouldn't
be
surprised
if
there's
some
similar
feelings
and
thoughts
about
this
new
process.
L
They,
generally
speaking,
I
think
it's
fair
to
say
they
express
some
concern
and
frustration
over
feeling,
like
they're
not
being
listened
to
or
heard
either
by
staff
or
city
council
that
these
you
know
there.
They
remained
confused
as
to
why
their
recommendation
to
not
split
off
design
review
wasn't
followed,
and
there
was
also
some
concern
about
what
this
might
mean
for
those
representatives
who
are
serving
both
on
the
general
commission
as
well
as
this
design
review
committee.
L
L
You
know
our
simple
answer
to
that
is
like
we're.
Just
not
really
sure
we
are
still
in
a
process
of
evaluating
this
process.
We
had
to
start
somewhere.
This
is
kind
of
where
we
thought
would
be
a
good
place
to
start.
L
But
we
think
this
is
a
good
good
way
to
begin,
and-
and
we
will,
we
hope
to
see
some
of
you
on
this
committee
and
look
forward
to
working
with
anybody
who
was
up
for
the
challenge.
B
F
Shannon
it's
in
my
understanding,
because
we
have
now
two
separate
design
review
functions
in
in
different
commissions.
Will
then
we
have
just
maybe
one
staff.
J
F
L
Well,
certainly,
they'll
be
multiple
staff
involved,
it's,
but,
but
you
are
correct
in
that.
We
do
think
that
this
will
be
a
more
efficient
process
by
collapsing
these
two
groups
into
one.
It
allows
us
to
kind
of
pool
our
resources
a
little
bit
and
concentrate
those
resources.
L
So
we
think
that
this
is
also
a
good
way
to
kind
of
share
information
with
the
broader
community
if
people
are
interested
and
if
you
know,
if
we're
still
meeting
remotely
in
may
we'll
be
broadcasting
just
like
we
are,
this
commission
and
people
can
tune
in
and
you
know,
participate
remotely
as
well.
So.
B
C
Yeah,
my
question
is
about
the
process,
shannon,
so
all
level,
two
and
level
three
projects
in
the
downtown
and
in
the
river
arts
area
will
go
through
this
process,
but
I
thought
that
also
all
hotels
outside
of
those
areas
will
also
go
through
this
process
that
correct
okay.
Okay,
that's
that
just
want
to
make
sure.
B
I
L
I
L
Yeah,
absolutely
the
the
riverfront
members,
one
of
the
riverfront
members
made
the
comment
that
you
know
they're.
They
were
a
little
concerned
because
some
of
their
design
guidelines
have
to
do
more,
specifically
with
the
landscape
and
at
that
at
this
particular
point
in
time.
They
don't
have
a
landscape
architect
on
their
on
their
commission,
and
so
they
were
a
little
concerned
like
what.
If
we
don't
have
that
kind
of
expertise,
and
so
we
did,
we
did
remind
them
that
we
do
have
this
one
seat.
L
So
if
we
find
that
there's
a
gap
of
that
nature,
then
that
would
be
something
we
would
want
to
communicate.
You
know
and
and
explain-
and
maybe
that's
something
you
want
to
try
to
fill.
We
also
let
them
know
that
we
do
have
landscape
architects
on
the
downtown
commission,
and
you
know
we
could
end
up
with
those
professionals
on
the
committee.
You.
H
Way
or
the
other
so
and
they
were
so
relieved
by
that
yeah
and
I'll
tell
y'all,
I
mean
same
thing,
I
told
riverfront
because
I'm
their
liaison,
but
I'm
new
to
their
board
and
really
acclimating.
This
is
something
I
really
I
have
personally
pushed
for
and
staff
for
being
really
nice,
because
I
gave
him
a
hard
time
about
it,
but,
like
I,
if
this
needs
to
change,
you
know,
let's
talk
about
it.
H
I
know
council
really
looked
to
me
for
advice,
because
I
had
been
a
part
of
this
process
so
much
and
I
was
hearing
from
both
bodies
that
they
wanted.
You
know
they
were
upset
about
losing
the
review
process
and
we
saw
this
as
they're
also
counselors
concerned
about
not
about
being
twice
removed
from
the
body
that
would
start
to
review
these
hotels
during
such
a
transition
period.
So
I
think
you
know
there's
room
to
test
this.
H
There's
room
we're
definitely
coming
back
in
six
months
with
what
may
could
be
better
and
I
think
that's
what
shan's
alluding
to
so.
Let's
watch
and
let's
see
and
just
let's
keep
in
touch
because
I'm
happy
to
bring
it
back
if
it
needs
to
change
and.
M
M
So
so
we've
had
we've
had
some
frustrations
in
the
community
that
we,
you
know,
our
design
review
was
not
looking
at
level
ones
and
we've
been
kind
of
waiting
for
when
we
could
make
that
change
so
that
change
got
made
and
I
had
since
we
talked
about
it
eight
months
ago.
M
I
completely
forgotten
about
it
until
the
ordinance
passed,
but
it
means
anything,
that's
1500,
square
feet
or
greater
will
get
reviewed
so
so,
for
example,
we've
had
some
like
a
building,
I
don't
know:
what's
happened
to
it,
but
next
near
the
basilica
that
got
reviewed
things
like
that
will
be
going
to
this
committee.
So
even
though
they're
not
going
to
planning
and
zoning
or
the
council
that's
a
great
change
because
it
really
will.
M
L
So
a
a
minor
work
is
very
broad.
It's
anything
that
requires
a
building
permit,
a
zoning
permit
of
you
know.
Basically,
if
you
need
a
permit,
it's
classified
as
a
minor
work
when
it
falls
within
these
design
review
areas.
Major
works
get
pulled
aside
when
they
are
it's
an
addition
or
a
new
structure,
that's
over
1500
square
feet
or
500
square
feet
if
it's
a
historic
structure
or
any
changes
that
substantially
change
the
the
appearance
or
structure
of
the
facade
or
roof
line
and
significant
changes
to
sites.
L
So
if
you're
like
totally
paving
a
new
site
or
it's
a
re,
a
road
redesign
or
anything
like
that,
that
would
also
be
a
major
work.
So
it
does,
it
will
increase
what
comes
before.
This
is
more
or
less
the
standard
for
the
down
for
the
riverfront
commission,
so
that
shouldn't
that
shouldn't
it
shouldn't
trigger
too
many
more
reviews
in
their
design
review
area.
But,
as
sasha
said,
it
would
increase
the
reviews
in
the
downtown
area.
B
L
To
be
a
big
drawn
out
thing
or
it
could
you
know,
we
could
decide
that
maybe
level
ones
can
just
be
sort
of
a
quick
summary
update.
You
know
we
had
three
projects
that
were
level
ones,
and
you
know
at
these
locations
something
like
that.
But
that's
a
that's
another
thing
that
we
can.
You
know
kind
of
explore
and
feel
our
way
through,
like
what
works
best
for
everybody
involved.
B
Okay,
I've
got
a
couple
of
thoughts,
so
I've
walked
watched.
This
process
kind
of
walk
through
we've,
just
been
discussing
this
and
as
part
of
hrc
and
then
as
part
of
downtown
commission
and
that's
part
of
the
design
review.
B
I
I
actually
like
the
idea
of
allowing
the
downtown
commission
and
the
river
arts
commission
to
address
both
design
and
any
other
issues
that
they
want
to
and
then
just
let
a
a
dedicated
design
review
commission
beat
the
steam
out
of
them
in
a
specific
technical
kind
of
a
meeting
and
then
and
then
it
and
then
it
moves
forward.
So
I
kind
of
like
it's
not
it's,
not
I've
heard
people
talk
about
that.
They
don't
like
that.
It's
uncoupling
these
things.
I
don't
actually
see
it
that
way.
I
see
it.
B
We
still
get
to
do
as
downtown
and
river
arts.
You
still
can
break
up
any
design
issues
you
want
to
and
you
actually
can
bring
up
any
of
those
issues
that
you
want
to
and
make
sure
that
the
design
review
committee.
B
That
they
have
a
good
answer
for
it.
So
anyway,
are
there
any
other
questions
or
comments
for
shannon
at
this
time,
dane.
C
Yeah,
I
have
a
question
about
the
guidelines,
so
we
have
guidelines
for
the
downtown
which
are
not
really
complete,
they're,
like
maybe
75
complete,
I'm
not
familiar
with
what
guidelines
the
riverfront
commission
has,
but
as
far
as
I
know,
there
are
no
guidelines
for
the
rest
of
the
city
at
all.
So
what
kind
of
guidelines
is
this
this
new
committee
going
to
be
using
for
reviewing
projects.
L
They
will
use
the
design
guidelines
that
are
in
place
for
those
design
review
areas.
So,
as
you
mentioned,
downtown
has
theirs.
Riverfront
has
theirs
and
we
did
adopt
design
guidelines
related
to
hotels
for
the
newest
design
review
area,
which
is
the
hotel
overlay
district.
So
now
they're
they're
a
placeholder
they're
they're
a
starting
point.
We
do
not
expect
these
guidelines
to
be
the
end-all
be-all
for
hotels.
L
We
all
also
recognize
that
there
is
significant
interest
in
updating
both
the
downtown
and
the
river
design
review
guidelines,
and
our
hope
is
that
by
having
this
dedicated
design
review
body
that
it
will
have,
we
will
have
some
pooled
expertise
and
we
will
have
some
interest
and
motivation
to
start
to
tackle
that.
Just
like
downtown
projects,
design
projects,
the
downtown
commission,
the
riverfront
commission
will
be
able
to
also
weigh
in
on
whatever
new
guidelines
get
presented
or
considered.
L
But
we
think
that
this
body,
this
new
design
review
committee,
is
a
good
place
to
kind
of
really
start
to
look
at
that
and
see
you
know
it.
You
know
how
how
we
could
start
to
move
the
needle,
because
we
have
been
asking
for
resources
for
these
updates
for
quite
some
time.
As
you
all
well
know,
and
we
just
have
not
been
successful.
So
we're
trying
to
just
sort
of
you
know,
be
in
charge
of
our
own
destiny
and
try
to
figure
out
a
way
that
we
can
maybe
start
to
make
progress
on.
H
Only
to
share
that
yesterday's
riverfront
commission
discussed
how,
in
the
uprising
of
the
river
we
had,
there
were
several
several
main
leaders
that
raised
money
to
revitalize
and
start
activity,
and
the
idea
came
up
that
we
can.
We
can
actually
raise
money
to
do
these
guidelines
if
we
can't
afford
it
like
there
might
be
some
folks.
H
M
B
That's
consistent
at
hrc
a
lot
of
times
the
neighborhoods
are
the
ones
that
bring
would
bring
any
required
amendments
and
to
their
own
design
guidelines.
So
that's
pretty
consistent
with
doing
that
and
having
served
on
historic
resources.
Commission
that
is
a
reviewing
design.
You
know
we
had.
We
had
three
historic
districts
with
three
very,
very
different
design
guidelines
that
you
had
to
apply
to
each
one.
So
it's
it's!
B
We've
got
folks
in
the
city
that
have
been
doing
doing
that
kind
of
task
for
a
while.
Okay,
any
other
questions.
So
then,
therefore
we
have
a
in
your
packet
or
maybe
dana
can
bring
it
up.
At
some
point
we
have
the
the
the
redlined
in
our
downtown
commission
rules,
a
revision
under
article
6,
some
article,
a
standing
committee's
item,
1
design,
review
committee
to
remove
that
design
review
committee
and
put
in
language
about
that.
B
The
city
council
shall
appoint
four
members
of
the
downtown
commission
to
serve
on
the
city's
design
review
committee,
and
I
actually
would
leave
it
at
that.
I
would
strike
that
second,
that
second
sentence,
because
I
don't
think
we
need
to
have
any
in
our
procedures
what
we
want
city
council
to
do
with
the
riverfront.
B
You
know-
and
I
think
shannon
you
would
like
us
to
vote
or
the
the
the
expectation
is
is
that
we
would
vote
on
that
change
today.
Is
that
correct.
L
If,
if
you
all
feel
comfortable
doing
so-
and
I
would
agree
with
that
edit,
I
don't
think
we
need
that
additional
language
and
similarly
the
when
we
update
the
rules
of
procedure
for
the
riverfront
commission
it'll
have
a
similar
statement
but
swapping
out
riverfront
instead
of
downtown
commission.
So.
M
B
Okay,
so
does
everyone
understand
the
the
that
that
this
edit
would
remove
the
standing
subcommittee
of
design
review
for
the
downtown
commission
and
would
therefore
put
in
language
that
consistent
with
our
current
udo
for
the
design
review
committee
would
would
therefore
we
would,
and-
and
this
is
a
city
council-
shall
appoint
the
four
members
of
the
downtown
commission
to
serve
on
the
design
review
committee.
I
B
B
No,
the
the
commission,
it's
so
so
someone
jump
in
if
I
get
this
wrong,
but
the
the
city
council
selects
four
from
the
downtown
commission.
The
city
council
selects
four
from
the
riverfront
commission
and
then
those
eight
folks
select
someone
from
the
community
at
large.
That's.
L
My
understanding
that
is
correct
and
and
franzi
you
you're
correct,
also
that
the
way
this
is
written,
that
red
language
kind
of
makes
it
sound
like
council
does
it,
which
was
why
I
I
commented
on
that
earlier
that
janus
kind
of
at
the
last
minute
put
this
language
in,
so
I
hadn't
had
an
opportunity
to
review
it
before
she
presented
it
to
you
all
this
morning.
So
another
reason
why
I
don't
think
we
need
to
include
that
additional
language.
K
We
had
even
had
a
discussion
shannon
and
I
about
whether
this
needed
to
be
in
there
at
all
even
referred
to
the
design
review
committee.
So
I
I
guess
I
thought
that,
because
you
do
have
members,
it
might
be
worth
that
reference,
even
if
it
is
shortened
to
that
one.
The
first
sentence,
but
I
guess
you
could
consider
whether
you
need
to
put
it
there
at
all
in
your
rules.
B
I
think
it's,
I
think
it
clarifies
that
that
that's
a
there
is
a
function,
there's
a
communication
between
the
two,
so
I
would
I
would
just
I
would
literally
just
have
that
first
sentence
in
there.
I
don't
even
know
that
I
would
have
the
other
two
sentences,
but
that's
not
that's
me.
E
L
If,
if
I
could
take
this
moment
too,
to
just
ask
like
I
don't
know
what
the
commission
thinks
and
janus
what
you
think,
if
it's
appropriate
to
clarify
here
that
the
terms
of
import
four
members
of
the
committee
and
that
they
will
serve
concurrent
with
the
with
their
terms
on
that
committee.
K
I
I
guess
you
can
see
what
was
cut
from
there,
but
what
was
there
before
did
talk
about
the
terms
and
we've
had
some
discussion
about
whether
this
committee,
which
is
really
a
subcommittee
of
two
commissions,
is
it
should
have
its
own
rules
of
procedure
and
and
they
can-
and
I
don't
know
what
direction
we're
going
in
as
far
as
that
goes
shannon.
But
I
it
really.
L
B
Sage,
you
have
your
hand
up.
Okay,
all
right,
any
other
questions
for
this
item
right
now.
Are
you
folks
ready
to
vote
on
this,
or
do
you
want
to
see
what
the
actual
revised
language
is
going
to
be
before
you
vote
on
it
and
shannon
do
do?
L
Well,
it
just
would
be
helpful.
It
would
give
janice
a
little
bit
more
edit.
You
know
more
content
when
she
adopts
this,
these
new
rules
of
procedure
to
you
know
you
know
it
just
helps
kind
of
clarify
that
we
have
this
change
and
then,
if
later
there's
another
change
related
to
working
groups,
it
would
just
be
a
smaller
change.
L
Okay,
and
in
terms
of
the
new
language
I
mean,
maybe
maybe
just
forget
what
I
said
about
clarifying
the
term
limits
and,
and
that
way
you
can
just
clearly
see
that
it
would
just
be
the
you
know.
We
could
just
reduce
this
to
just
the
first
sentence
after
design
review
committee.
D
B
Okay,
is
there
any
other
discussion
we
need
to
have
at
this
time?
Do
you
do
you
folks
understand
the
the
what's
being
proposed.
B
Okay,
then,
is
there
someone
willing
to
make
a
motion.
F
I
will
make
a
motion
that
we
accept
the
the
new
design
review
committee
as
proposed.
I
think,
is
that
enough.
Canon.
F
That
the
city
council
shall
adopt
four
members
of
the
downtown
commission
to
serve
on
the
city's
design
review
committee.
The
council
shall
report
the
point.
The
remain
remainder
of
members
from
the
national
area,
riverside
the
redevelopment
commission,
four
members
and
one
member
from
the
community
at
large.
B
Did
you
mean
to
put
in
that
second
sentence.
F
I
I
I
kind
of
saw
the
two
as
similar,
so
please
feel
free
to
edit.
L
I
think
our
recommendation
is
just
to
stop
at
the
end
of
the
first
sentence
and
not
worry
about
you
know
having
to
state
that
council
makes
the
appointments
or
that's
actually
in
the
udo.
So
it's
really
just
about
your
rules
of
procedure
that
that
this
commission
will
have
four
members
who
serve
on
this
committee
because.
D
B
Okay,
very
good
at
this
time,
I'll
go
through.
If
I
can
find
it
there,
we
go
so
I'll
call
your
name
and
please
indicate
how
you
will
vote.
Commissioner
berger.
C
B
D
D
D
D
D
B
And
myself
as
an
I,
the
motion
carries
okay,
very
good.
Thank
you
shannon.
I
appreciate
that
and
thank
you
for
everybody
on
walking
through
that
with
us,
so
we're
running
a
little
behind,
but
we're
doing
okay
at
this
time,
we'll
talk
about
our
updates
and
reports.
So
hope
again,
thank
you
to
everyone
who
worked
so
hard
on
our
friday
meeting
a
couple
weeks
ago
to
work
on
our
annual
report.
The
completed
and
updated
annual
report
is
available
for
your
review
in
the
reference
owner
agenda.
B
I
don't
know
that
I
need
to
go
through
anything
else
on
that
at
this
time,
dana
jump
in
if
you're.
If
I,
if
you
do,
if
you
think
so-
and
there
is
also
a
link
to
the
city
manager,
presentation
to
city
council
on
february
23rd
regarding
reparations,
do
we
need
to
discuss
that
as
a
as
a
commission
at
this
time?
Has
everyone
had
a
chance
to
look
at
that
seeing
general
agreement?
B
A
I'll
just
chime
in
briefly,
if
I
could,
we
just
wanted
to
offer
that
since
I
know
there
was
a
good
amount
of
discussion
at
the
february
26
meeting
about
urban
renewal
and
reparations,
and-
and
so
I
think
this
presentation
is
really
helpful
and
it's
very
recent
in
the
city's
approach
to
establishing
a
reparations
committee
and
I'm
sure
there'll
be
opportunities
in
the
future
for
further
information
to
be
provided
to
you
all.
But
I
think
this
is
this:
is
the
appropriate
update
at
this
time.
B
Very
good,
thank
you.
Before
I
move
on
to
the
actual
downtown
association.
I
I
needed
to
back
up
just
a
little
bit.
I
apologize
you
should
everyone
should
has
have
received
an
email
from
dana
or
I
think
it
was
from
dana
regarding
the
new
design
review.
Commit
commission
shannon
mentioned
a
couple
of
dates
we
need
to.
B
If
you
would
like
to
serve
on
the
new
design
review
committee,
you
need
to
have
your
application
in
by
march
19th
and
if
anyone
has
not
received
that
or
doesn't
know
what
we're
talking
about,
please
contact
either
me
or
dana
or
both
and
we'll
make
sure
you
get
the
appropriate
application.
F
Mr
chair,
do
we
have
four
design
professionals
on
I'm
not
familiar
with
everyone?
I
know
stephen
lee
and
I
are
line,
skip
architecture
or
you're,
an
architect
who
else.
B
Yes,
but
I'd
also
like
to
to
make
make
it
clear
that
the
while
the
language
in
the
a
new
mutio,
you
just
need
a
special
interest
in.
So
anyone
honestly
on
this
commission
can
apply.
And
if
you,
if
you
are
at
all
interested
in
applying,
then
please
do.
G
So,
just
a
little
update
from
the
downtown
association,
we
hosted
our
annual
state
of
downtown
update
a
couple
weeks
ago
with
presentations
from
us
from
mayor,
manheimer
and
commission
chair
newman,
and
I
think
the
biggest
takeaways
from
that
were
that
you
know
there
are
17
businesses
in
danger
of
closing
due
to
covid
related
impacts
and
then
the
hundreds
of
decreases
in
in
jobs.
We
don't
know
if
there
there
were
subsequent
increases
in
those
for
other
businesses,
so
take
those
numbers
as
you
will.
G
We
are
also
in
the
midst
of
we've,
extended
all
of
our
memberships
to
our
current
members
and
through
the
month
of
march,
we're
actually
offering
free
memberships
to
any
businesses
in
the
downtown
area.
So
if
you
know
anyone
who
sort
of
like
a
you
know,
an
intro
membership
give
us
a
try
see
if
we
can
help
it's
just
a
small
gesture
of
support
that
we
can
offer
to
businesses
as
they
rebuild
and
recover.
G
And
then
you
know
there's
a
lot
of
good
news
happening
on
the
vaccine
rollout,
so
I'm
tentatively
and
I
mean
tentatively
planning
for
some
events
to
possibly
return
in
maybe
july
or
august.
It's
hard
to
plan
when
there
are
so
many
unknowns,
but
I
I
think
that
we're
going
to
be
able
to
see
some
of
those
community
events
return
and
I've
said
this
a
couple
of
times,
but
I'm
committed
to.
We
always
hire
as
many
local
service
providers
as
we
can.
G
We
hire
only
local
food
vendors,
I'm
also
committed
to
having
all
local
musicians
and
bands
at
this
at
least
this
year,
maybe
even
in
the
next
year,
we'll
see
how
it
goes
so
you
know,
hopefully
we
can.
We
can
gather
again
sometime
soon
and
that's
about
it.
F
Megan,
I
noticed
that
strong
towns-
I
thought
they
were
saying
they
were
headed
this
way.
Is
that
something
that
your
organization
is
sponsoring.
G
No,
but
I
would
love
to
be
a
part
of
that
we've
had
chuck
in
his
his
group
here
a
couple
of
times.
I
think.
B
Very
good
franzi
local
business
leaders.
B
Okay
and
the
parking
and
transportation
working
group
is
there
anything
going
on
with
that
parklets
fun,
stuff.
A
A
H
Meeting
quick
update
megan
may
want
to
chime
in
as
well.
We
did
meet
and
we
talked
mostly
about
two
critical
issues
and
number
one
was
needing
new
equipment
at
the
parking
deck
entry.
So
the
place
where
you
pay
ours
are
outdated,
not
supported,
I
believe
anymore.
They
were
already
due
for
an
update.
The
problem
is
these
new
ones
are
not
accepting
coins,
and
that
is
both
a
access
issue.
I
believe,
but
also
our
parking
rates
are
not
in
whole
dollar
increments.
H
H
I
know
megan
as
the
downtown
association
leader
and
myself
too,
are
both
concerned
about
raising
the
cost
of
parking
during
this
time.
So
that's
on
the
table
perhaps
should
come
to
the
commission
or
you
know,
I'm
not
sure.
B
G
G
That
you
know
parking
is
almost
always
the
number
one
concern
raised
by
downtown
business
owners,
and
it
was
again
on
the
most
recent
survey
that
we
did.
You
know.
I
know
our
parking
rates
are
probably
a
little
lower
than
similar
cities,
and
but
we've
done
a
lot
over
the
last
couple
years
to
sort
of
do
some
increases
loading
zones
first
hour.
Free
has
changed.
My
gut
feeling
is
that
this
would
be
a
negative
reaction
from
our
downtown
business
owners,
who
just
feel
like
parking,
is
consistently
made
more
difficult
and
more
expensive.
H
I
should
add:
there
were
also
additions
to
the
length
of
the
time
of
day
that
they
might
be.
The
meters
might
change.
So
that
came
up
too.
My
recommendation
is
that
these
changes
just
come
before
this
group.
H
With
this
question
comes
up
a
lot
and
we
brought
it
up
because,
oh
I
mean
this
is
a
critical
fact.
I'm
going
to
tell
you
something
to
blow
your
mind:
we've
had
a
600
person
wait
list
for
these
parking
decks
for
a
long
time.
Right
guess
what
we
now
have
200
open
spaces
and
everybody
on
the
waitlist
has
been
called.
H
B
Okay,
any
other
questions
for
the
parking
transportation
working
group.
Thank
you.
B
Indeed,
downtown
update
report.
A
All
right
good
morning,
everybody,
I
will
ask
our
transportation
department
if
they
can
come
to
you
all
and
with
their
updated
proposal.
The
initial
conversation,
I
think,
was
really
helpful
for
them
to
hear.
D
A
Of
updates
today,
I
want
to
make
you
all
aware
of
a
few
things
we
are.
You
know
we're
seeing
the
weather
warm
up
and
we're
gonna
push
out
some
communications
soon
to
remind
businesses
and
organizations
that
they
continue
to
have
the
ability
of
the
opportunity
to
temporarily
expand
outdoors.
So
we're
continuing
all
of
those
temporary
initiatives
for
the
foreseeable
future
and
help
us
get
the
word
out
about
that.
We
had
about
90
businesses
already
participating
and
the
budget
process
is
underway
for
the
coming
year.
A
So
you'll
see
in
your
report,
I
highlighted
just
some
upcoming
dates
on
that
there
are
councilwork
sessions,
and
I've
also
put
the
dates
of
when
the
city
manager
will
be
presenting
the
proposed
budget
to
city
council.
There
will
be
public
input
opportunities
before
that
budget
gets
proposed
to
council
staff
is
approaching
the
budget
differently
this
year
and
really
focusing
on
advancing
racial
equity
through
through,
what's
being
proposed
in
the
budget.
So
look
out
for
more
public
engagement
opportunities
on
that
I'll.
A
Make
sure
to
send
you
all
that
information
when
I
can,
but
just
want
you
all
to
be
aware
of
the
budget
process.
A
M
F
Dana
I
was
wondering
in
that
process
of
removing
and
replacing
the
vance
memorial.
I
know
that
you
they're,
the
the
existing
committee
will
be
making
some
recommendations.
F
A
I
don't
know
the
full
scope
of
what's
being
presented
to
council
on
march
23rd,
but
staff
is
awaiting
clear
direction
from
city
council
on
next
steps.
And
I
don't
know
sage
if
you
want
to
chime
in
with
any
other
context
on
that.
But
but
I
think
we
can
all
kind
of
look
for
march
23rd
and
and
what
council
wants
to.
A
B
Okay,
a
quick
question
as
regarding
covet
in
in
remote
meetings:
what
are
the
thresholds,
his
his
staff
or
the
have
you
gotten
any
direction
on
on
what
the
benchmarks
and
thresholds
would
be
for
going
back
to
live
meetings?
What
is
what
does
that?
Look
like,
I
mean,
obviously,
state
of
emergency
lifted,
but
then
what.
B
Well,
we
did
not
have
any
public
comment
if
we
need
to
have
any
informal
discussion,
so
I
noted
for
for
future
items,
future
agenda
items
that
we
would
like
transportation
department
to
come
and
speak
to
us
regarding
revisions
to.
D
B
The
parking
rates,
parking
equipment
and
actually,
I
think,
that's
all
I
all
I
have
currently
to
to
guillo's
question-
we'll
probably
all
watch
the
march
23rd
and
then,
if
there's,
if
we
have
any
questions
regarding
the
specific
design
process
that
they're
going
to
adopt
for
the
vance
monument,
we
may
request
that
as
well.
Right
now,
we
are
not
scheduled
to
meet
april
9th
unless
there's
critical
business,
our
next
meeting
would
be
may
14th
any
other
items
informally
that
you
need
to.
We
need
to
discuss
or
put
on
the
future.
A
I
I'm
just
gonna
say
I
think
it
may
be
likely
that
we'll
meet
in
april
with
the
parking
stuff
going
on
and
with
the
changes
to
the
rules
of
procedure.
It
seems
likely
so.
B
Okay,
okay,
so
the
and
the
applications
were
for
the
design
review
committee
were
going
to
go
to
council
on
april
27th.
So
that
would
be
after
that
meeting
anyway.
Okay,
I'm
curious.
Does
anyone
know
that
the
level
one
thing
took
me
by
surprise
if
they're
gonna
come
start
coming
to
us?
Do
you
know
when
that's
gonna
start.
A
I
think
that
would
start
now,
so
there
might
be
some
things
to
look
at
at
the
next
meeting
and
again,
it'll
be
it'll,
be
kind
of
it'll,
be
brief
and
it'll
be
information
presented
by
staff.
So
so
we'll
we'll
see
what
that
looks
like
for
the
next
meeting.
M
Hi,
I
do
think.
K
M
For
and
you
think
sorry
I
had
youtube
open.
The
four-point
sheridan
project
will
be
a
technical
review
on
april
5th.
M
So
if
you
all
are
meeting
on
april
9th,
that
may
be
the
right
date
for
you
all
to
see
that
project
and
give
input
on
it.
It
wouldn't
be
going
to
the
new
design
review
committee
until
may,
but
that
way
you
know
that
actually
be
kind
of
since
it's
such
a
massive
project
it'd
be
a
good
time
for
them
to
absorb
your
comments
and
before
they
go
to
the
design
review
committee.
J
M
Level
ones
right
now
in
downtown
that
have
submitted.
Basically
what
we
didn't
tell
you
all,
but
just
technical
detail
if
you
submit
after
february
23rd,
that's
when
you're
subject
to
the
new
rule,
so
there
are
major
one.
There
are
level
ones
in
the
works
right
now
in
downtown,
but
they're
they're
kind
of
subject
to
the
old
rules.
So
you
won't
be
seeing
any
of
those.
So
it's
anything
new.
B
All
right
hearing
none.
I
will
now
adjourn
the
meeting.
Thank
you
for
coming
look
forward
to
talking
to.