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From YouTube: Urban Forestry Commission – March 7, 2023
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Regular meeting of the City of Asheville Urban Forestry Commission.
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A
B
All
right,
thank
you,
so
much
so
welcome
everybody
to
the
March
meeting
of
the
urban
forestry
commission.
My
name
is
Amy
Smith
I'm,
the
chair,
we're
just
going
to
start
with
some
introductions.
So
again,
Amy
Smith,
chair
of
the
UFC
I,
don't
see
Dawn
here
yet
no
there
we
go
just
as
I
said.
It's.
Okay,
welcome,
Don
we're
just
starting
introductions.
If
you
want
to
introduce
yourself.
B
And
let's
see
here
so
I
am
looking
at
commission
members
I'm
just
going
to
call
you
as
I
see
you
on
my
screen.
So
Karen.
B
E
You
Sharon
hi
I'm
Sharon
Summerall,
a
member
of
urban
Forester
commission,
TRC
representative.
B
Thank
you
all
right
and
I
see
that
cameroni
is
here.
If
you
want
to
introduce
yourself.
B
B
Thank
you,
Hunter.
A
Haley
Mahoney
I'm
with
development
service
Services,
helping
out
staff
assistance
to
the
UFC
and
development
review,
specialist.
B
Thank
you
and
Keith.
How
about
you
are
you
with
alternative
compliance.
N
I'm
actually,
unofficially
the
Urban
Forester
for
the
city
of
Asheville,
as
well
as
as
well
as
that's
fine,
that's
great,
but
I'm,
still
with
Parks
and
Rec
up
until
I
believe
March
20th.
All.
B
O
Hi
Nancy
Watford
zoning
and
stormwater
supervisor
and
development
services.
Yes,
we'll
introduce
the
new
Urban
Forester
in
that
agenda.
Item
yeah,
perfect.
B
B
All
right
thanks
and
so
a
couple
of
people
Sprouse,
are
you
with
alternative
compliance
for
today.
K
B
E
Hi
everybody
I'd
like
to
add
to
new
business.
If
I
may
a
topic
about
the
new
Aspire
development,
which
is
the
Baptist
Church
like
to
go
over
a
review
on
some
of
the
topics
of
that.
If
we
have
time.
B
You
so,
let's
do
a
roll
call
vote
and
this
will
be
to
add
the
Aspire
development
project.
New
business
Don,
bye,
Sharon,
hi,
Zoe,
aye
shirt
on.
R
B
Patrick
hi
and
Karen
aye
I
vote
I,
so
we'll
add
that
and
get
to
it
and
our
new
business
I
did
want
to
point
also
that
absent
today
is
UFC,
Council
or
commission
member
Cecil
Bothwell
is
absent
all
right.
Next,
we
have
approval
of
the
minutes
from
our
last
meeting
in
February.
Hopefully,
everybody
had
a
chance
to
review
the
action
minutes
in
the
documents
for
today
so
I
say
the
motion
to
approve
the
minutes
so
move
in
a
second.
M
M
C
M
So
Hunter,
if
you
can
get
us
a
I,
guess
just
the
site
plan
at
this
point,
the
landscape
plan
would
be
good
and
and
I'll
note
that
I
see.
Kevin
Kerr
has
just
joined
us,
and
this
is
I
believe
he's
the
developer
for
this
project.
M
So
the
address
is
88
West,
Chestnut
Street.
It
was
formally
addressed
as
119
Cumberland
Avenue,
but
that
has
to
be
changed.
M
The
project
is
an
Adaptive
reuse
of
a
former
place
of
worship,
so
the
assist
the
existing
building
is
vacant.
It's
going
to
be
converted
into
a
multi-family
development
with
six
residential
units
and
the
change
of
use
will
require
that
the
site
be
brought
into
compliance
with
all
of
the
applicable
standards
in
article
11,
a
number
of
which
are
landscape
standards.
M
So
the
proposed
design
does
comply
with
all
of
the
landscape
standards
for
Street
trees,
Street
buffer,
shrubs
parking,
lot
landscaping
and
building
impact
Landscaping.
But
in
addition
to
that,
a
type
a
property
line
buffer
is
required
along
the
east
property
line
due
to
the
RS8
zoning
to
the
east,
and
the
issue
today
is
that
the
building
is
partially
within
that
buffer
area.
M
So
there
is
a
standard
in
the
code
allowing
a
staff
approved
alternative
to
a
property
line
buffer
to
reduce
that
buffer
with
the
addition
of
a
six
foot,
high,
opaque
fence
and
then
half
of
the
half
of
the
buffer
widths
would
be
allowed
and
half
of
the
plant
materials
would
be
allowed
in
this
case,
mainly
I.
M
M
Let's
cruise
on
through
Hunter
and
get
to
the
site
plan,
if
we
can
I'm
not
sure
which
document
that
is
exactly
within
this
okay.
M
So
this
is
the
area
of
focus.
There's
the
existing
building
you
see
and
the
building
itself
is
actually
within
that
required
buffer
area,
so
they're
providing
all
the
required
plant
materials,
but
there's
a
little
drop
off,
and
so
the
fence
would
be
a
good
bit
lower
than
the
adjacent
property.
So
it
wouldn't
provide
an
effective
screen
at
all,
so
they're,
just
they're,
proposing
all
of
the
plant
material
that
would
be
required
with
those
few
additions,
but
it'll
just
be
planted
in
a
narrower
width
along
that
property
line.
B
B
All
right
questions
from
commission
members
Sharon
can.
M
L
C
M
E
Yeah
to
continue
my
thought
when
I
reviewed
it
I
didn't
see
anybody
else.
You
could
deal
with
this
and
it's
such
heavy
shade
I
was
just
worried
about
what
you're
planting,
whether
it
be
able
to
tolerate
that
much
heavy
Shade.
That's
over
there
that
you
know
I
I,
don't
see
a
way
around
this
other
than
that,
but
that
was
my
opinion
when
I
previewed
it
last
week.
K
R
K
Just
to
address
Ms
summerall's
question
about
the
shade
which
I
appreciate
you
thinking
about
that
the
arbor
bodies
have
done
well
there
since
they've
been
growing
there
for
a
while
the
other
species
that
we've
specified
on
that
shady
side
of
the
building
should
Thrive
and
we're
looking
at.
You
know:
shake
tolerant
plants,
mostly
shrubs
and
some
ground
cover
and
some
EU
trees.
So
we
we
feel
pretty
good
about
how
those
Will
Survive
and
fill
in
back
there.
E
B
E
Make
a
motion
go
ahead.
Sharon
I
make
a
motion
that
we
approve
the
this
alternative
compliance.
As
stated
on
the
plan.
B
All
right,
thanks,
Don,
all
right,
roll
call
vote
we'll
start
with
Dawn
I
Sharon
hi,
Zoe,
I
shirt
on.
B
R
T
B
B
Okay,
thank
you,
okay.
So
that
brings
us
to
public
comment.
Was
there
any
call-in
public
comment
at
this
time?
No,
we
did
receive
one
email
public
comment:
it's
a
very
long
email
I'm
not
going
to
read
the
whole
thing,
but
I'll
give
you
the
highlights.
So
this
public
comment
relates
to
the
Asheville
Municipal
Golf
Course
project,
continued
concerns
and
the
letter
basically
talks
about
how
they've
been
concerned
about
removals
of
trees
that
were
not
marked
with
ribbons
as
well
as
pruning.
B
That
looks
like
it
won't
be
healthy
enough
for
the
trees
and
that
they
will
deteriorate
as
well
as
a
lack
of
the
primary
arborist
being
on
site
at
the
location.
So
again,
I'm
not
going
to
read
the
whole
thing
where
those
those
were
the
primary
concerns
submitted
by
let's
get
it
right,
Gloria
Shen.
So
thank
you
Gloria
for
your
message,
we'll
be
talking
about
the
golf
course
in
a
moment,
but
Sharon
to
Smart
yeah,
wait
till
we
get
there
all
right.
Thank
you.
Yeah
we'll
address
the
golf
course.
B
I
invited
Chris
Coral
the
project
manager,
but
he
had
a
full
schedule
today,
I'm
not
sure
if
he'll
be
able
to
make
it.
But
when
we
talk
about
the
golf
course
we
can
make
a
list
of
questions
to
forward
to
Chris
if
needed.
So
all
right
brings
us
to
staff
reports.
First
on
here
is
City
Arborist
report.
Mark.
Do
you
have
an
update.
Q
Nothing
super
exciting:
it's
pretty
much
business
as
usual
other
than
the
wind
storms.
We
keep
having.
We
responded
to
or
will
have
responded
to
18
sites
in
the
last
couple
days.
So
it's
been
kind
of
busy
be
fine
if
the
wind
would
knock
it
off.
B
Yeah
well,
if
we
could
only
say
so,
that'd
be
great.
Now
we
don't
always
have
streets
and
parks
here
with
us,
so
I'm
just
going
to
open
it
up
if
Chad
or
Lee
had
any
updates
for
us.
B
L
L
There
is
five
trees
that
are
buckling,
the
sidewalk
quite
heavily
right
through
that
area,
and
it's
it's
been
issued
for
a
very
long
time
and
we
are
just
now
in
a
place
that
we
can
get
out
there
and
get
that
work
done.
It
will
require
those
five
trees
to
be
removed,
but
we'll
be
planting
back
trees
within
the
city's
property
at
179,
South,
Charlotte
Street.
So
that's
one
of
the
benefits
of
this
project
is
we
can
actually,
we
have
the
space
to
put
trees
back,
so
we
are
taking
those
five
out.
L
We
will
be
putting
working
with
Mark
Foster
on
that
Endeavor
about
taking
those
trees
down
and
what
we'll
Place
back.
It
sounds
like
some
White
Oaks
and
poplars
would
be
going
back.
There.
E
Yeah
Sharon
good
hi,
everyone,
Eastern
Valley,
we're
having
a
neighborhood
meeting
this
week
and
that's
our
neighborhood
area.
Do
we
know
when
there's
coming
down
so
I
can
let
everybody
know
at
our
neighborhood
meeting.
L
L
Cbd,
but
yes,
some
White,
Oaks
and
poplars
is
what
Mark
might
be
recommending
just
because
of
the
site.
We
have
some
restrictions
of
some
overhead
power
and
then
some
existing
trees.
We
want
to
respect
okay.
H
L
Yes,
yes,
we
have
the
the
one
big
drawback.
L
Two
to
three
inches
off
of
the
back
of
the
sidewalk,
so
they're
they
really
were
not
ever
placed
in
a
place
that
it
would
be
sustainable.
We
did
look
at
like
bridging
them,
but
due
to
some
Ada
ramps,
the
existing
utility
strip,
driveway
access
and
everything
like
that,
it's
it's
needed
to
be
removed.
L
Biltmore
Avenue
in
Charlotte
and
the
ABC
parking
lot
so
I
would
assume,
probably
more
than
more
than
30
feet
in
some
places,
20
to
30
feet
and
maybe
more.
Q
Yeah
it
was
before
Chardon
mentioned
the
green
triangle.
That's
what
I
was
going
to
point
out
like
Lee
said
we
own
the
parcel
and
so
we're
not
bound
by
just
trying
to
put
trees
back
in
the
grass
strip,
and
we
did
look
at
the
potential
for
bridging
with
clean
Stone,
but
with
sweetgums,
which
that's
the
species
of
the
tree
that
are
tearing
up
the
sidewalk.
Q
If
you've
been
to
the
site
and
can
see
it,
it's
Illuminating
there's
we
really
don't
have
the
option
to
do
bridging
without
just
having
to
come
back
and
trying
to
do
it
again
and
then
eventually
having
the
sidewalk
being
several
inches
higher
than
you
know,
all
the
surrounding
everything
but
yeah.
We
have
tons
of
space
in
the
middle
and
around
the
building.
So
we've
got
quite
a
nice
big,
clean
slate
to
work
with
grow
some
big
trees
and
not
try
and
stuff
them
into
places.
They
don't
fit.
B
Great
well,
thanks
for
the
update
and
thanks
for
replanting,
it
sounds
like
a
good
plan,
so
good.
A
B
Thank
you
so
then
I
guess
Nancy
now
might
be
a
time
for
the
urban
Forester
update.
O
Okay,
hi
everyone.
Any
questions
on
the
report.
O
47.
all
right,
so
I'd
like
to
introduce
you
to
Keith
Aiken,
who
will
be
starting
as
the
city's
Urban
Forester
on
March
20th.
N
Yeah
sure,
once
again,
thank
you
all.
This
has
been
a
long
time
coming
for
me.
I,
remember
looking
at
this,
hoping
that
there
would
be
an
urban
urban
Forester
at
some
time
in
the
the
city
since
I
I
first
came
here
back
in
the
late
90s,
so
so
this
has
been
a
long
time
coming.
N
Finally
glad
it's
here
and
I'm
super
excited
that
it's
me
and
that
you
know
I
will
be
get
to
serve
the
city
in
the
different
capacity
I've
been
in
parks
and
rec
for
since
2015-
and
you
know,
forestry
has
always
been
part
of
my
my
heart,
my
focus
and
yeah
I'm,
just
you
know,
super
pumped
about
getting
ready
and
getting
started
and
supporting
the
needs
of
the
citizens.
Asheville.
B
Okay
well,
I'll
say
that
I
don't
know,
I
won't
speak
for
everybody,
but
we're
excited.
So
thank
you
and
once
you're
officially
in
position,
I
would
love
to
get
together
and
you
know
talk
about
where
we
can
go
as
a
team.
But
thank
you.
Patrick
go
ahead.
F
Yes,
welcome
Keith
yeah
we've
been
working
on
arriving
at
this
moment
now
for
at
least
four
years.
F
A
lot
of
people
have
put
a
tremendous
amount
of
work
and
effort
into
getting
you
here,
and
we
really
appreciate
you
being
here
and
excited
for
you
to
get
started
in
the
job.
I
do
have
a
question
perhaps
may
this
would
be
more
directed
to
Nancy,
but
in
terms
of
where
the
urban
Forester
is
going
to
fit
in
the
Departments
or
sort
of
table
of
organization.
Where
does
that
stand.
O
Currently
he's
under
me
and
Chris
Collins
and
the
zoning
site
division
of
DSD
and
that's
where
he's
he's
gonna
live
until
unless
there's
other
changes
that
so
in
you
know,
his
role
is
going
to
be
more
of
an
advisory
role
from
for
the
planners
and
and
support
of
you
know
the
team
in
and
actually
the
you
know,
tree
canopy
ordinance
questions
about
the
steep
slopes.
That
sort
of
thing
and
I
know
we
have
some
work
already.
M
O
You
know
review
of
the
Article
19
and
Landscaping
to
have
him
put
some
of
his
expertise,
an
insight
into
those
two
chapters
that
we're
currently
looking
at
updates
for
so
and
that
y'all
will
be
part
of
those
discussions
as
well
from
I.
Think
everything
that
I
mean
I
know
you
will
for
Article
19,
but
from
what
Padilla
has
stated
about
chapter
11
as
well.
F
Can
I
assume
that
there
would
be
a
coordination
of
with
public
works
and
specifically
Mark
Foster,
as
well
as
Rex
and
Parks,
in
terms
of
any
issues
related
to
trees
on
recreational
properties.
O
So
we're
going
to
work
to
help
Define
that
to
make
sure
we're
everybody's
on
the
same
page
and
on
board
with
the
same
things.
I
do
know
as
part
of
the
some
of
the
fee
and
Lou
conversations
and
setting
up
that
how
the
fian
Liu
works
is
part,
is
part
of
that
discussion
of
bringing
in
there's
other
departments
but
as
well
as
we
kind
of
have
always
seen
the
urban
Forester
in
that
advisory
role,
being
an
advisor
being
a
resource
for
every
Department
that
may
or
that
needs
some
some
extra.
O
You
know
extra
set
of
eyes
on
those
type
of
things,
whether
it's
Capital,
Improvement
or
Parks,
and
Rec
or
you
know,
Mark
handles
his
stuff
fairly.
Well,
though,
I
don't
know,
but
I
think
some
of
that
is
still
a
little
bit
to
be.
You
know,
defined
and
and
laid
out
exactly
how
that
works,
but
I
think
when
there's
opportunities
for
trainings
and
other
things,
I
think
we
all
try
and
you
know,
do
send
those
things
out
across
departmentally,
because
I
mean
I,
know.
O
F
And
finally,
in
relation
to
the
TRC,
the
technical
Review
Committee,
will
we
continue
to
have
a
representative
from
the
UFC
on
that
committee
or
will
that
function
be
taken
over
by
the
urban
Forester.
O
J
But
it
would
be
in
order
to
use-
and
it
is
probably
further
discussion
with
this
group-
no
changes
proposed
right
now,
but
I
will
say
it's
the
only
instance
of
a
non-staff
member
being
on
the
PRC
report,
other
than
MSD
and
other
technical
review
staff.
E
Welcome
Keith
we're
glad
to
have
you,
which
was
my
question
on
TRC,
Chris
and
Debbie
or
Nancy.
Is
that
a
text
Amendment
change
as
opposed
to
a
full
ordinance
change.
E
E
Think
I'm
up
and
my
time
is
up
in
December
and
I
know
it
took
me,
but
it's
still
taking
me
being
on
TRC
to
learn
all
the
nuances.
As
you
know,
Nancy,
because
I
send
you
a
bazillion
emails
on
it,
there's
a
big
big
learning
curve
in
there,
if
you're,
not
a
planner
by
Nature,
to
know
that
so
I
would
suspect.
E
Whoever
is
going
to
volunteer
for
this
that
nobody
do
it,
but
it
needs
to
be
done
that
there
would
be
me
involved
with
what
I've
learned
in
my
my
knowledge
that
I've
gotten
as
a
volunteer
and
not
having
any
planning
experience
whatsoever
so
that
we
don't
start
with
somebody
brand
new.
When
my
term
is
up
and
then
they
have
to
go
over
and
drive
you
guys,
nuts,
with
everything
I've
already
learned,
they
can
drive
you
nuts,
with
the
things
that
they've
got.
E
Do
you
understand
what
I'm
saying
so
somehow
we're
gonna
have
to
cross-pollinate
between
now
and
December,
when
my
term
is
up,
is
what
I'm
saying
so,
whether
that's
Keith
or
somebody
else
that's
going
to
take
this
over?
So
it
doesn't
happen
like
it
happened
to
me.
Chad
was
a
great
help
in
the
beginning,
and
then
everybody
else
has
stepped
in
so
I'm
just
making
a
statement
on
that
point.
B
All
right,
thank
you,
I'm,
just
making
a
note
that
we'll
need
to
come
back
to
TRC
in
future
meetings
and
make
sure
that
we
are
prepared
for
whatever
the
transition
away
from
Sharon
looks
like
as
we
get
to
that
point.
So
all
right
great
anybody
else
again.
Welcome
Keith,
we're
so
happy
that
you're
on
board
and
we'll
touch
base
So
yeah.
B
T
Yeah
I
do
have
a
note
here
in
that
proposal.
In
the
situation
section
in
the
fourth
paragraph
it
says,
unshaded
trees
require
repaving,
it
should
be
unshaded
streets
require
repaving,
we
don't
pave
trees
too
often.
C
Sorry,
Cecil
I
know
you
made
that
I
pointed
that
out
before
I
need
to
change
that
yeah,
we'll.
B
Do
thank
you
so,
since
the
budget
you
know
has
started
and
city
council
has
started
taking
public
comment
again,
I
would
just
like
to
encourage
this
group
to
get
the
word
out
to
get
the
input
into
city
council
now
to
get
this
on
the
budget.
So
Kim
I'll.
Let
you
fill
us
in
on
that.
I
Thank
you
so
much
just
a
couple:
quick
updates,
the
City's
budget
survey.
This
is
the
first
time
we've
done
something
like
this.
So
early,
it's
available
in
English,
Spanish,
Russian
and
Ukrainian,
and
we
did
extend
the
deadline
to
March
10th,
so
folks
can
fill
that
out
on
the
city's
website
at
Asheville,
NCD
Asheville
nc.gov.
I
Before
this
Friday
there
are
a
number
of
questions,
but
don't
forget
to
fill
in
the
last
part.
All
the
way
at
the
bottom
is
a
blank
field
where
you
can
talk
about
what
what
you
would
hope.
We
would
prioritize
on
a
more
personal
and
direct
level,
instead
of
or
in
addition
to
simply
filling
out
the
questionnaire.
I
So
that's
not
to
be
missed.
Also,
I
wanted
to
give
an
update
from
our
Council
budget
Retreat,
which
we
just
had
this
past
Thursday
and
Friday.
The
good
news
is,
it
does
appear
that
there
is
a
majority
at
minimum
support
for
funding
an
urban
forestry
master
plan
and
I
know
that's
something
this
group
has
worked
on
for
a
really
long
time,
as
well
as
members
of
the
community.
I
So
the
next
steps
from
our
Retreat
is
we
kept
and
updated
a
few
of
the
Strategic
priorities
which
include
reparations,
reimagining,
Public,
Safety,
core
Services,
affordable
housing,
homelessness
response
and
climate
and
neighborhood
resilience,
and
so
what
we
did
by
keeping
and
updating
those
priorities
was
we
got
into
some
more
specifics
on
the
details
of
the
goals,
so
staff
will
take
those
goal,
recommendations
and
bring
back
to
us
at
our
March
14th
budget
work
session
for
Council
some
recommendations
about
what
the
budget
impact
on
those
items
will
be,
and
so
what
some
next
steps
can
look
like
what
to
expect.
I
So
we
have
an
opportunity
to
kind
of
thread:
the
needle
on
urban
forestry
master
plan,
funding
and
Staffing
support
with
Keith's
new
role
by
weaving
in
the
budget
survey,
but
also
the
recommendations
that
this
committee
has
made.
So
once
again,
the
budget
survey
runs
through
their
Friday,
March
10th
and
then
stay
tuned
for
the
Council
budget
work
session,
where
we're
going
to
follow
up
on
the
retreat,
which
included
underneath
climate
neighborhood
resilience
and
urban
forestry
master
plan.
B
Well,
that
is
great
news.
I
plan
to
personally
send
emails
to
all
the
city
council,
members
and
I
would
encourage
anyone
who
does
so
to
really
stress
the
climate
and
neighborhood
resilience
piece
so
that
we're
tying
in
our
request
with
what
city
council
has
said
is
a
priority.
So
perfect,
okay,
well,
that's
wonderful!
And
if
we
can
get
that
done
this
year
with
an
urban
Forester
on
staff,
we're
really
poised
to
make
some
strides
very
exciting.
B
Any
other
thoughts
or
questions
on
budget.
I
Oh
just
one
other
follow-up
thing,
I
would
say
it's
not
lost
on
me
that
members
of
this
group
and
people
who
have
come
before
this
group
and
in
this
group
have
been
advocating
for
this
work
for
a
long
time,
and
it
just
shows
me
the
value
of
our
advisory
boards.
I
B
Well,
thank
you.
We
appreciate
you
being
our
liaison
and
getting
our
message
up
to
the
council.
I
appreciate
that
all
right
next
is
the
policy
working
group,
so
Patrick.
F
So
I'm
going
to
start
with
a
section
719
I
reported
the
last
time
that
we
had
a
very
productive
meeting
with
Chris
Collins
and
his
staff
on
the
proposed
Udo
amendments
to
719.
F
They
were
going
to
work
on
some
language
and
get
back
to
us,
so
we're
still
waiting
for
that
language
to
come
back
to
us
and
I
think
it
would
probably
be
prudent
at
that
time
for
the
policy
working
group
to
invite
the
new
Urban
Forester
to
join
us
and
both
bring
him
up
to
speed,
as
well
as
any
advice
that
he
might
want
to
give
us
on
that
subject
on
chapter
20
because
of
a
lot
of
scheduling
conflicts.
F
Our
review
of
the
document
that
was
provided
by
Public
Works
staff
has
taken
a
while
Ed
did
a
comparison
analysis
of
what
we
proposed
in
what
staff
sent
us.
It
was
a
very
labor
intensive
effort
on
his
part
and
I
really
appreciate
him
taking
the
time
and
energy
to
do
that.
F
We
have
a
meeting
of
the
policy
working
group
scheduled
for
Monday
to
go
over
that
analysis
and
prepare
a
response
and
then
schedule
a
meeting
with
Public
Works,
Staff,
Mark,
Foster
and
whoever
he
wants
to
bring
in
to
go
over
the
chapter
20
revisions
and
see
if
we
can
come
to
an
agreement
on
those
I
think
our
prefer
approach
would
be
to
take
the
Udo
amendments
to
719
the
true
canopy
preservation
ordinance
and
the
Udo
changes
in
chapter
20
forward
simultaneously,
because
we
think
there's
a
an
interconnection
between
the
two
I.
F
S
Yeah
thanks
Patrick
I
think
it's
best.
If
we
wait
until
after
the
working
group
is
met
to
discuss
a
little
bit
and
and
then
we
can,
we
can
talk
about
it.
Some
more.
The
other
thing
is
the
revision
of
the
landscape
standards.
I,
don't
know
if
that's
on
your
agenda
or
not,
it
is
okay.
Well,
I'll!
Let
you
continue,
then
no.
S
There's
a
few
things
that
have
to
be
reconciled
with
chapter
719,
so
I've
been
encouraging
Padilla
to
talk
to
Chris
Collins
about
some
of
those
issues,
but
hopefully
that
work
is
done
and
I
I
think
that
the
revision
of
the
landscape
standards
is
going
to
make
a
remarkable
difference
on
the
ground
going
forward
once
it's
adopted
in
in
terms
of
the
survival
of
trees
that
are
planted
as
part
of
the
building
construction,
Land
Development
process
and
anyway,
I
think
it's
going
to
make
a
big
difference
in
the
long
run.
S
Hopefully,
all
three
of
these
revisions
can
go
forward
at
the
same
time
in
a
single
package,
since
we're
sort
of
moving
towards
this
harmonic
conversion.
Some
completion
on
all
three
of
them,
so
that
you're
probably
ready
for
Prime
Time
by
later
this
spring
or
early
summer.
B
The
one
thing
I
wanted
to
point
out
is:
we
are
due
for
a
update
to
the
canopy
cover
study,
so
I
don't
know
if
Chris
or
Nancy,
if
that's
on
anyone's
radar,
to
get
that
an
update
on
that.
J
Yeah
I
can
kind
of
update
you
on
where
we
are
in
looking
at
that
right
now
we
have
attained
I
mentioned
before
to
at
least
the
policy
working
group.
Maybe
the
whole
group
that
we
've
gotten
involved
with
Google's
environmental
insights
of
sport,
which
is
doing
some
high
resolution
analysis
on
tree
canopy
in
the
community
and
now
just
recently,
we've
gotten
access
to
that
raw
data.
L
R
J
It
would
be
a
very
a
way
of
having
much
more
frequent
updates
to
our
tree
canopy
numbers
and
a
really
responsible
use
of
resources,
because
the
cost
would
be
extremely
low.
Actually,
there
is
no
cost
other
than
staff
analysis
tied
into
it.
So
we're
working
through
that
right
now
and
we'll
make
sure
and
report
back
on
the
findings
of.
If
that
data
is
going
to
be
good
enough
or
not,.
B
P
I
just
wanted
to
ask
you
about
that,
since
I
was
involved
in
the
last
canopy
study
that
we
did
so
the
and
I
think
you
answered
my
question
yeah,
it's
possible
that
staff
is
going
to
be
able
to
analyze
that
raw
data
to
get
various
coverage
and,
of
course
we
have
the
older
raw
data
from
the
last
time
where
we
could
compare
changes
or
anything
so
is
that
am
I
understanding
that
correctly.
J
Yeah
100,
that
is
exactly
it.
The
Digger
they're
giving
us
is
high-res
in
some
cases
higher
residents,
some
of
the
flowers
from
before,
and
as
long
as
it
appears
to
be
that
that
the
two
methodologies
are
not
conflicting
and
we're
not
getting
any
wildly
different
numbers.
Then
yeah
we'd
have
that
they'd
at
our
fingertips
and
updated.
P
Periodically
and
that's
awesome
because
I
mean
for
those
of
you
all
that
were
around
it's
I
mean
big
picture,
it's
not
a
massive
number,
but
the
last
one
was
about
thirty
thousand
dollars.
We
did
get
a
ten
thousand
dollar
Grant,
but
I
think
I'll
probably
put
twenty
thousand
dollars
work
into
getting
that
Grant.
But
so
that's
neither
here
there
but
I
mean
that
is
a
savings,
and
you
know
also
basically
at
your
fingertips
versus
waiting
on
a
consultant
that
I
at
the
end
of
the
day.
E
Sharon
yeah,
which
brings
me
to
the
question,
is
it
fine-tuned
enough?
My
concern
has
always
been
what
we're
losing
as
opposed
to
what
we're
gaining
and
with
that
type
of
reporting,
give
us
that
finite
amount
from
above
of
what
our
percentage
of
loss
has
been.
J
Easy
answer
on
staff
send
is
yes,
we
should
just
be
able
to
compare,
not
just
total
loss
but
lost
by
census,
tract
in
the
area
of
the
City
by
comparing
previous
years
or
previous
reporting
periods
of
data.
So.
B
On
the
advantage
of
having
it
sort
of
at
our
fingertips
like
that
is
you
could
take
almost
any
point
in
time
for
comparison,
instead
of
being
instead
of
having
to
rely
on
a
third
party
too,
give
you
that
data.
So
that's
good
thanks,
Chad,
thanks
for
being
here
all
right,
any
other
questions
for
Chris.
Thank
you,
I
was
just.
It
was
on
my
mind
about
where
we're
at
with
the
canopy
study.
So
keep
us
posted.
Thank
you
all
right.
B
So
that
brings
us
to
the
urban
Forest
master
plan
and
fee
and
Liu
working
group.
We
haven't
done
much
on
the
master
plan,
part
we're
waiting,
obviously,
hopefully
to
get
it
funded.
We
already
have
a
scope
of
work
ready,
so
we
can
talk
with
Keith
about
that
as
well,
but
fianlu
did
meet
and
so
Zoe
did.
You
want
to
give
us
an
update
on
that.
G
Yes,
we
met
a
couple
of
times
to
discuss
coming
up
with
the
framework
for
managing
fee
in
lieu
and
we
produced
a
document
for
review
by
the
by
all
the
members
of
the
urban
Forester
commission.
Basically,
it
looks
at
what
kinds
of
projects
might
be
funded
from
feeding
Liu
questions
to
prioritize
that
funding
and
then
a
sort
of
a
suggestion
about
how
that
could
be
administered
and
who
could
possibly
make
those
decisions.
B
And
so
that
document
is
attached
in
the
agenda
and
documents
section
in
the
Google
Drive,
so
hopefully
everybody
has
a
chance
to
take
a
look
at
it.
Zoe
and
Karen
and
I
put
this
together
and
the
basic
thoughts.
You
know
what
we
know
from
the
ordinance
is
that
if
a
project
cannot
preserve
or
plant,
then
the
last
option
is
to
pay
into
the
fee
and
loop.
So
that's
that
money
that's
been
collected
when
it
comes
to
being
spent.
B
The
Restriction
is
that
the
funds
have
to
be
spent
within
the
overlay
District
they
were
collected
in
those
are
those
broad
districts,
the
central
business,
district,
Urban
and
Suburban.
You
can
see
those
breakdowns
on
the
tree,
canopy
ordinance
report.
The
only
other
stipulations
when
the
ordinance
was
written
is
that
the
funds
have
to
be
used
to
improve
and
enhance
tree
canopy,
which
obviously
makes
sense
we're
losing
canopy.
The
goal
would
be
to
in
some
way
bring
that
back
and
it
is
still
somewhat
broad.
B
Projects
can
include
obviously
tree
planting,
but
also
things
like
education,
adding
funds
to
Capital
Improvement
projects
like
silver
cells,
and
things
like
that.
So
that's
where
we
came
up
with
a
just
again.
This
is
a
proposed
project
list.
This
is
nothing
set
in
stone
by
any
means
at
this
point,
but
we
came
up
with
tree
planting
on
public
land,
tree
planting
on
private
land,
Community
engagement
and
education,
land
acquisition,
Capital,
Improvement,
specific
to
trees
and
forests
and
other
special
projects
specific
to
Urban
forest
trees
and
tree
canopy
protection.
B
So
last
one
is
kind
of
catch-all
of
other
projects
that
we
may
not
be
thinking
of
off
the
top,
and
so
our
envisioning
would
be
that
either
City,
folks
or
even
people
in
the
community
would
create
proposals
for
requesting
the
funds
and
that
this
would
be
a
framework
for
some
sort
of
committee,
probably
consisting
of
City
staff,
possibly
city
council,
to
approve
or
not
those
requests
for
funding.
B
And
then
we
also
came
up
with
just
some
questions
that
would
be
to
help
prioritize
projects.
Things
like
how
does
it
benefit
the
urban
Forest?
How
does
it
address
canopy
loss
Does?
It
include
issues
of
equity,
diversity
and
inclusion,
educate
the
public
enhance
other
parts
of
the
urban
Forest
like
water
quality,
habitat
and
human
health,
and
protect
or
enhance
any
protected
species
habitat.
B
So
again,
that's
just
what
we
came
up
with.
Hopefully
you
can
see
it,
but
for
now
we
just
wanted
to
bring
it
to
this
group
and
open
it
up
for
discussion
ideas.
What
did
we
miss
or
what
are
you
seeing
that
you
like,
or
don't
like
about
this
and
again
it's
just
a
proposal
as
a
group,
we
are
not
going
to
be
the
ones
finalizing
any
of
these
decisions.
We
just
wanted
to
have
something
to
move
up
the
ladder
to
help
get
this
process
going
so
Cecil.
T
T
B
Agenda
we
have
the
table
that
has
the
the
funds,
so
you
can
see
that
currently
in
the
CBD
bucket
there's
about
29
000
in
the
urban,
about
340,
000
and
Suburban
about
38
000.,
and
so
it
really
just
depends
on
what
projects
pop
up
in
what
places
so
that
big,
Suburban
chunk
was
obviously
a
large
project
that
was
not
able
to
meet
protection
or
planting
standards.
So
they
ended
up
having
to
pay
a
big
chunk,
but
that
easily
could
have
been
a
project
somewhere
else,
but
because
the
landscape
requirements
are
different
in
different
areas
too.
B
M
B
So
again,
it's
going
to
be
something
that
just
varies:
I,
don't
I,
think
it'll
take
us
years
to
really
understand.
You
know
in
some
way
to
predict
how
it
might
be.
But
to
your
second
point
so
say
you
have
a
project
that
is
maybe
not
specific
to
one
area
or
includes
pieces
of
many
areas,
then
whatever
amount
you
approve
needs
to
be
equally
taken
from
each
of
the.
B
Like
say
it's
you
want
ten
thousand
I'll
say
it'll,
make
it
easier:
nine
thousand
dollars
for
a
some
sort
of
education
project.
It
would
have
to
be
three
thousand
from
each
other
yeah.
Three,
okay,.
O
And
that's
to
say
that
there's
not
a
focus
area
for
that
education.
So
if
there
is
one
like
an
educational
component,
where
there
is
a
focus
or
a
stakeholder
group
or
a
Target
area
that
the
work,
then
it
does
look
at
it.
You
know
looking
at
those
funds
that
would
support
it
from
whatever
zoning
districts
or
future
land
use,
mapping,
districts
or
resource
management
districts.
That's
what
they're
called
sorry.
B
So
it
can
be
specific
one
or,
but
if
it
is
broad
it
has
to
be
equal,
yes,
yeah
and
again
we
you
know
our
in
at
least
at
the
group.
As
we
were
talking,
the
ideal
projects
would
literally
put
canopy
back
in
you
know,
I
think
planting
and
land
acquisition
are
really
the
top
priorities,
but
again
since
I
don't
get
to
ultimately
make
the
call
I
want
to
make
sure
there
was
something
in
the
framework
that
helped
prioritize
canopy
as
the
overall
goal,
but
Sharon.
E
B
I
believe
so
yeah.
It
is
clearly
mapped
on
the
gis
with
the
city
and
another
piece
of
that
this
was
a
while
back.
Even
a
year
ago,
I
was
talking
to
Chris
Collins
that
with
the
mapping
there's
other
data
available.
So
as
we're
asking
the
questions
about
how
does
a
project
influence,
canopy
loss
or
Equity,
we
can
add
to
the
map
layers,
census,
data
and
canopy
cover
and
heat
island.
You
know
these
different
pieces
of
information
that
we
already
have
are
already
built
into
those
Maps.
B
So
if
you're
looking
at
a
project
in
a
specific
location,
you
can
answer
those
questions
using
the
map
overlays,
you
know
to
gather
more
information.
So
there's
a
lot
of
data.
That's
available,
Patrick.
F
Yeah
stepping
back
to
the
educational
component
for
a
second.
Could
those
funds
be
used
to
collaborate
with
non-profits
on
educational.
F
B
These
are
City
funds.
I.
Imagine
that
you
know
primarily
it's
going
to
be
City
using
the
funds
as
well,
however,
like
if
a
non-profit
partner
wanted
to
come
in
and
apply
for
you
know,
collaboration
and
funding,
then
that
would
be
I
think
an
appropriate
use
of
the
funds
as
well,
but
yeah
I
would
imagine
that
most
outside
requests
for
funds
would
most
likely
be
non-profits.
There's
a
chance.
There
could
be
a
like
a
neighborhood
group
or
something
like
that,
but
I.
Imagine
it's
mostly
going
to
be
more
of
that
non-profit
organization
level
request.
B
F
I
think
that
would
be,
for
example,
a
great
opportunity
to
collaborate
with
someone
like
Ashley
Greenworks
who's
done
a
lot
of
educational
work
within
the
communities.
B
Absolutely
I
agree
all
right,
any
other
thoughts,
our
our
thought,
the
working
group
was
to
have
this
document
or
some
final
version
of
it
that
we
could
then
pass
up
as
a
recommendation
to
city
council,
so
I
guess
what
I
would
propose
is
over
the
next
month.
If
you
see
anything,
you
want
to
add
subtract
or
change
on
this.
We
can
work
on
it
in
the
Google
Drive
and
have
a
recommendation
for
next
month.
If
that
is
agreeable,.
B
All
right
cool!
Well,
if
you
think
of
anything,
let
us
know
but
I
want
to
say
a
special
thanks
to
Karen
and
particularly
Zoe
for
really
spearheading
this.
It's
been
on
my
mind
a
long
time,
but
Zoe
actually
made
us
sit
down
and
get
it
done.
So.
Thank
you
so
much
all
right.
D
So
Sharon
and
I
have
been
chatting,
and
we've
been
working
on
lining
up
a
meeting
with
the
folks
at
Living
groups
to
talk
about
just
to
see
what
they're
doing
and
there's
such
a
great
opportunity
for
Native,
grasses
and
other
plants
on
roofs
and
to
learn
more
about
how
we
can
advocate
for
that
I'd
love
to
find
a
way
to
connect.
D
The
dots
between
public
will
because
there's
definitely
a
lot
of
enthusiasm
for
living
roofs
and
how
to
incentivize
that
with
policy,
because
it
seems
like
right
now,
it's
I
don't
think
it
gets.
It's
not
really
considered
any
credit
towards
anything.
Is
it
the
living
rooms
is
that
is.
That
is
my
understanding
correct
on
that.
D
Open
space,
okay,
all
right
well
so
well
that
that
counts
for
something
I'd,
love
to
just
yeah,
continue
working
on
making
that
even
more
appealing
for
people
to
do
and
even
for
alternative
compliance,
I
was
thinking.
We
had
a
situation
with
a
planter
that
maybe
we
could
create
an
alternative
compliance
where
it
could
be
on
a
rooftop.
Somehow
you
know,
I,
don't
know
what
the
possibilities
are,
but
I
feel
like
every
little
bit
helps
and
could
create
some
inspiration
for
other
folks
to
maybe
consider
doing
the
same
thing
so
Sharon.
E
No
other
than
when
we
were
working
on
open
space.
We
have
the
amenity
part
of
it,
which
means
that
people
can
actually
come
and
enjoy
a
space.
That
is
a
living
roof.
As
opposed
to
me.
My
problem
is
a
bunch
of
pots
with
some
plants
in
them
sitting
on
a
roof,
and
we
call
that
open
space
and
an
amenity
I
would
rather
see
something
more
developed
out
like
a
living
roof,
and
but
that
would
mean
changes
in
ordinances
and
and
that
type
of
thing.
But
it's
it's
a
goal
to
head
towards.
E
You
know
if
we're
going
to
use
balconies
as
open
space
and
we're
going
to
use
roofs
as
an
open
space,
and
they
may
as
well
benefit
our
environment
in
one
form
or
another
or
even
the
public,
because
some
of
these
roofs
are
private
and
they're,
only
private
to
the
whoever
is
there
and
not
to
anybody
to
come
off
the
street.
So
we've
got
a
whole
lot
of
definitions
of
open
space
and
how
it's
applied
so
I
think
we're
working
on
the
applicability
of
open
space,
the
new
one
and
then
somewhere
down
the
line.
E
Some
future
UFC
group
will
dice
it
up
even
further
make
it
more
what
I
call
user-friendly
when
we
know
where
the
pitfalls
are.
But
right
now,
as
Nancy
stated
in
an
email
I
sent
to
you
Karen,
it
doesn't
do
anything
for
storm
water
because
it
doesn't
filter
out
impurities
that
get
fed
into
a
pipe
like
a
storm
drain.
That
runs
straight
into
our
pipe
and
goes
straight
to
either
the
river
or
to
a
Filtration
plant.
E
But
I
do
know
from
working
on
this
in
California
that
there
are
some
plants
that
you
can
plant
like
bamboo
that
actually
do
filter
and
there's
other
types
of
plants
like
Birches,
which
you
can't
do
on
a
roof,
because
you've
got
space
issues,
but
there
are
plants
that
will
filter
that
are
grasses.
That
may
be
somewhere
down
the
line.
We
can
get
a
smart
group
of
people
and
have
it
apply
as
a
storm
water
conveyance,
as
opposed
to
now
and
there's
Miss
Nancy.
E
O
It
receives
rain
water,
it's
not
treating
Road
water,
runoff
and
other
mechanisms
and
in
all
honesty,
those
are
Decisions
by
the
stormwater
administrator
and
by
the
state,
and
this
is
what
the
state
has
provided
us
it
does
provide.
They
do
provide
a
lot
of
other
options.
You
know
benefits
that
are
sustainable
benefits,
it's
just
that
they
don't
fit
into
our
stormwater
regulations,
well
enough
that
people
that
it's
an
incentive
for
people
to
utilize
unless
they're
doing
it.
O
There
are
a
number
of
other
reasons
why
developers
have
and
are
choosing
to
do
these
in
some
other
in
I.
Think
I
know
like
three,
maybe
four
in
the
city
limits
that
are
have
been
fairly
recent,
but
that's
the
but
that's
just
you
know
where
it
is
from
a
stormwater
requirement.
Standpoint
they're,
a
thousand
other
I
mean
there's
a
number
of
other
sustainable
reasons
that
are
different
from
the
storm
water
than
storm
water.
E
Thank
you,
that's
good.
Thank
you.
I
also
want
to
mention
real
quick
that
Karen
has
been
facilitating
working
with
Natives
and
we've
been
talking
about
what
natives
would
be
applicable
as
Street
trees
and
because
there's
not
a
lot
for
for
many
reasons
and
that's
where
people
like
Chardon
and
his
experience
could
come
up
with.
E
We
could
use
help
with
with
some
trees
that
are,
we
could
use
as
pollinators
and
natives
as
opposed
to
you
know,
cultivated
species
that
are
on
everybody's
scad,
as
we've
mentioned
before
a
is
Acer
and
we
got
a
whole
load
of
acers.
Wouldn't
it
be
nice
to
use
more
service,
berries
or
other
natives
that
are
could
be
used
as
Street
trees.
I
am
just
not
that
familiar
with
our
wide
range
of
natives.
That
could
be
what
we'd
have
to
go
to
a
designers
and
say:
hey?
E
Could
you
add
these
names
of
these
species
into
your
CAD?
So
when
you
spit
out
something,
that's
x,
amount
of
size
or
height
and
weight
that
you've
also
got
a
native
species
that
come
out
as
opposed
to
the
tried
and
true
and
I.
Think
that's
what
Karen
and
I've
been
working
on
and
she's
been
talking
a
lot
more
tree.
People
than
I
have
about
what
may
and
may
not
work,
but
we're
trying
to
include
more
natives
in
our
recommended
species
list.
B
C
H
Realizing
I
was
like
I
hope:
I
didn't
miss
an
email
that
you
guys
were
reaching
out
to
me,
but
yeah
I'd
like
to
be
on
that
list.
Okay,.
B
T
Yeah
I
just
wanted
to
interject
two
things:
one
is
probably
the
single
most
maddening
thing.
I
confronted
in
my
eight
years
on
city
council
was
the
hotel
across
from
the
Grove
Arcade,
which
was
allowed
to
to
count
the
Grove
Arcade
roof
as
part
of
their
open
space.
When
residents
of
the
Condominiums
there
can't
even
access
it,
it's
they're
not
allowed
to
go
upstairs,
but
somehow
that
was
run
through
as
fulfilling
the
open
space
requirement.
T
I
guess
it
lets
more
sunlight
into
the
Page
Avenue
Valley,
but
it
hardly
accomplished
anything,
and
the
other
thing
I
remember
is
which
what
pleased
me
was
that
the
hotel
that
went
up
next
to
the
Ingles
on
Tunnel
Road,
at
least
in
the
planning
I've
not
been
there.
So
I
don't
know,
but
it
actually
has
a
real
green
roof
and
it
was
done
at
the
behest
of
the
developer.
I
mean
they
brought
it
to
the
city.
It
wasn't.
There
was
no
requirement
there.
I
think
it
probably
affects
their
cooling
costs.
T
T
E
B
But
I
I
green
reefs
are
a
great
option,
so
any
way
that
we
can
add
incentives
is
is
good.
So
all
right
anything
else
with
the
working
groups
check
the
working
group
rosters
at
the
bottom
of
the
agenda,
make
sure
that
you
are
where
you
want
to
and
need
to
be.
If
there's
any
changes
or
issues.
Let
me
know
all
right
and
oh
and
keep
in
mind
that
four
is
the
maximum
that
we
can
have
on
any
working
group.
So
four
is
full
all
right.
B
That
brings
us
back
to
the
golf
course
so,
like
you
said,
it
looks
like
Chris.
Coral
was
too
busy
to
join
us,
but
I
wanted
to
keep
it
on
the
agenda,
because
it's
an
ongoing
project
and
there
had
been
some
concerns
raised
so
I've
been
communicating
with
Chris
and
I
told
them
we'd.
B
Send
him
a
specific
list
of
questions
if
we
had
them,
but
I
asked
about
you
know
what
about
the
potential
for
trees
to
be
removed
that
were
not
marked
and
he
said,
he's
been
walking
every
week,
so
he
goes
out
the
arborist
crew's
out
there
he's
been
going
out
and
checking
and
and
as
of
last
Thursday
on
his
last
walk,
he
said
only
planned
trees
had
been
removed.
There
wasn't
anything
out
of
the
plan
as
far
as
the
pruning
the
pruning
has
started.
B
You
know,
I
am
not
in
arborist,
so
I
don't
know
limbs
were
pruned,
but
whether
that's
good
or
bad
I,
don't
know
that
would
have
to
be
someone
else
to
take
a
look
at
that.
I,
don't
know
what
else
the
questions
would
be.
So
let
me
know
what
else
do
we
want
to
ask
Chris
to
follow
up
on
I,
don't
know
I'm
right
here.
Every
day
the
project
seems
to
be
going
well,
but
you
guys
can
tell
me
Shut
up.
H
H
I
would
also
like
to
ask
you
know
how
if
there
are
trees-
and
this
is
a
broader
question
on
these-
on
these
big
projects
and
I'm-
not
saying
that
has
happened
here,
but
if
there
are
trees
that
were
removed.
That
are
not
part
of
the
original
list.
B
D
I
just
want
to
second
that
it
seems
like
we're
doing
a
really
I
feel
like
we're
doing
a
really
good
job,
with
advocacy
and
initiating
some
policy
changes.
But
I
worry
about
the
enforcement
of
the
policy
and
and
I
feel
like
I
pay
attention
as
much
as
I
can
pretty
well
and
I'm,
still
not
really
sure
of
the
way
that
folks
are
held
accountable.
D
If
they
don't
follow
their
plans
like
they
say
they're
going
to,
and
it
seems
like
it's
really
an
ongoing
challenge
because
after
it
happens,
it's
sort
of
a
done
deal.
But
there
still
should
be
something
that
can
be
done
to
prevent
that
from
happening
again,
so
that
that
idea
is
out
there
that
you
know.
Maybe
it's
not
as
easy
to
divert
from
the
plan,
as
people
think
that
it
could
be.
B
It
would
be
a
little
different
like
a
development
project.
There
is
a
there
are
mechanisms
for
enforcement,
you
know
City
staff
go
out
and
if
there's
a
street
tree
or
a
protected
Tree
on
a
plan,
there
is
a
process
with
a
city-run
project.
I.
Imagine
it's
basically
the
same,
but
there
might.
That
might
be
one,
that's
a
little
different
because
they're
kind
of
policing
themselves
so
to
speak.
So
I'm
not
exactly
sure
if
there
are
differences,
if
it's
a
city
project
but
we'll
ask
but
for
development
projects,
there
is
a
process
for
enforcement.
H
Yeah
a
couple
more
things
you
know,
Gloria
brought
up
and
I
saw
it
too
I've
been
driving
by
the
site
as
much
as
I.
Can
you
know?
Trucks
and
Equipment
are
compacting
a
lot
of
soil
around
the
trees,
and
that
was
one
thing
that
serve
at
arborist
was
supposed
to
prevent,
and
that's
one
thing
that
we
were
told
that
was
not
going
to
happen.
So
my
question
to
Chris
is:
how
is
that
going
to
be
remediated
and
how
is
that
going
to
be
stopped?
H
An
immediate
future,
as
in
like
this
afternoon
or
tomorrow,
on
the
job
site
and
as
far
as
the
pruning
yeah
Gloria
is
perfectly
correct
in
that
you
know,
they're
really
doing
a
lot
of
harm
to
these
trees.
H
There's
massive
cuts
or
opening
life
tissue
wounds,
they're
going
to
get
fungal
infections,
they're,
destabilizing
trees
and
I
think
it
brings
up
the
broader
question
of
why
the
city
hired
a
landscaping
company
to
prune
mature
trees,
and
it
also
brings
up
a
question
of-
and
you
know,
I
was
kind
of
brought
in
in
the
middle
of
all
this.
But
it
seems
like
this
project
was
really
rushed
through
and
seemed
like.
There
was
a
public
comment
period
and
then
all
sudden
the
work
was
being
started.
All
of
a
sudden
and.
H
You
know
from
an
arborist
perspective
that
you
do
have
to
remove
these
large
limbs.
I
think
that
there
could
have
been
a
broader
you
know
and
I
say
have
to,
because
I
don't
believe
you
need
to
be
I
think
there
could
be
a
broader
discussion
of
like
what
about
doing
that
over
time.
You
know
why
not
do
that
properly.
You
know
over
three
or
four
years
and
reduce
the
amount
of
stress
to
that
to
those
trees.
You
know
right
now.
H
We
have
large
number
of
mature
folks
and
trees
that
are
irreplaceable,
like
Irreplaceable,
but
also
irreversibly
being
damaged
by
untrained
professionals.
You
know
and
I
guess
my
last
question
for
Chris
in
relation
to
the
landscaping
company
I
did
have
a
question
for
him
last
time
that
I
didn't
speak
up
about
the
owner
of
that
landscaping.
Company
spent
the
week
before
the
project
started,
calling
just
about
every
certified
Arbors
in
town
to
try
to
get
their
name
on
the
project.
H
B
Thank
you
so
Sharon.
Maybe
we
can
coordinate
since
you
had
a
lot
of
these
questions.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
get
them
right
before
I.
Send
them
off
so
I'll
be
in
touch
with
you
to
make
sure
I
got
everything
so,
but
these
are
good
I
mean.
That
is
why
we're
here
to
make
sure
that
we
can
provide
some
level
of
help
and
oversight,
and
particularly,
can
we
improve
the
process
for
these
projects
going
forward?
B
You
know
because
this,
yes,
it's
hopefully
a
kind
of
a
one-time,
big
thing
with
the
golf
course,
but
there
could
be
something
else
down
the
line.
Can
we
put
in
place
any
processes
that
would
improve
overall
forestry
for
the
city
moving
on
so
hopefully
somewhere,
where
Keith
can
Jump
On
In
help
us
with
that
as
well.
So
there's
someone
within
the
city
kind
of
being
that
linchpin
would
be
ideal,
shut
up.
H
Sorry,
what
keeps
popping
in
my
head-
but
you
know
in
relation
to
these
trees
being
damaged
and
they
are
going
to
get
fungal
infections
and
be
destabilized,
and
you
know
a
Litany
of
other
things
by
their
pruning,
who
what's
the
process
for
as
these
trees
decline
as
a
result
of
this
work,
who's
being
held
accountable
for
that
and
how
are
they
going
to
be
replaced
like?
How
is
how
are
we
going
to
track
this,
because
it's
going
to
be
an
ongoing
issue
for
the
next
10
or
15
years
and
I?
H
Think
it's
going
to
be
important
to
you
know
in
in
respect
to
trying
to
prevent
this
from
happening
again,
be
able
to
point
back
to
this
project
and
say:
okay,
we
know
this
is
going
to
happen,
and
and
but
what
do
we
do
from
here
like?
How
do
we
place
these
trees?
How
do
we
keep
track
of
what
needs
to
be
replaced
as
they
from
these
proving
cuts.
B
B
B
Chris
Coral
is
the
I,
don't
know
his
exact
title,
but
he's
with
the
the
division
that
runs
all
of
the
big
facilities.
I
can't
remember
exactly
it's
called
facilities
management
so
like
Harris,
Cherokee,
Center
McCormick
field.
The
golf
course.
I
Kim
yeah
I
have
the
title
as
director
of
community
and
Regional
Entertainment
facilities
and
I
just
wanted
to
ask
Amy
if
you
would
copy
me
as
the
liaison
on
the
communications
just
because
I
just
recently
asked
we're
getting
some
public
engagement
around
this,
and
it
would
help
I
think
for
ongoing
public
engagement.
If
we
had
a
most
up-to-date
sort
of
like
answer
for
the
public
around
some
of
these
questions
that
are
being
asked
around
accountability,
what
happens
moving
forward,
what
if
more
impact
is
done
than
what
was
anticipated?
I
What
does
replacement
look
like
so
a
lot
of
those
questions,
I
think
more
than
just
this
group
will
need
and
the
public
will
anticipate
an
answer
on.
B
Yes,
of
course,
good,
okay,
we'll
see
so
I
think
Chardon
well,.
H
With
the
new
Urban
Forester
position
in
these
situations,
where
there
are
things
happening
that
we're
not
supposed
to
happen,
does
the
urban
Forester?
Will
the
urban
Forester
have
the
power
to
stop
a
project
in
its
tracks?
You
know,
and
this
because
kind
of
falls
into
Sycamore
discussion,
two,
how
much
power
does
the
urban
Forester
have
in
this?
These
kind
of
situations.
B
Projects
are
bigger
than
any
single
person
in
the
city,
I,
don't
know
of
any
single
person
that
has
the
power
to
stop.
You
know
stop
a
project.
Obviously,
if
there
was
a
safety-
or
you
know,
issue
like
that,
there
would
be
something
but
again,
I
would
really
doubt
that
any
single
person
in
the
city
would
have
that
ability.
B
F
Could
we
make
sure
that
Chris
clears
his
decks
and
can
appear
at
the
next
uoc
meeting.
O
Yeah
yup
I
will
say
the
Civic
Center
public
made
it
like
monthly
meeting
is
at
the
same
time,
so
we'll
check
with
Chris
he's.
If
you
can,
he
usually
is
willing
to
his.
Their
meeting
is
a
little
bit
before
hours,
so
it
may
be
later
on
the
agenda
or
something
that
might
you
know,
but
just
to
give
it
a
heads
up
for
that
that
that's
part
of
why
the
conflict
like
sometimes
continues
to
have
complexes,
because
the
Civic
Center
their
monthly
meetings
about
the
same
time.
So.
B
F
Yeah
Chardon
brings
up
a
a
an
excellent
point,
something
that
we've
been
grappling
with
for
quite
a
while,
and
that
is
enforcement,
and
so
I
would
like
to
get
some
comment
or
reaction
from
City
staff
about
the
ability
to
enforce
our.
You
know:
719,
whatever
we
come
up
with
chapter
20
and
the
new
Landscaping
standards,
and
how
that
may
or
may
not
relate
to
the
urban
Forester
Urban
Forester
may
not
have
I
assume
outright
enforcement
responsibility,
but
certainly
the
urban
Forester
could
land.
F
Some
very
heavy
advice
on
issues
like
this.
So
I
would
like
to
hear
from
staff.
O
Yeah,
okay,
so
I
can
take
that
from
a
a
general
standpoint
for
articles
within
the
udfs
in
19
and
article
11..
O
Those
are
enforced
by
our
compliance
officers
in
our
compliance
division,
but
the
urban
Forester
is
much
like
Stoops
and
steep
slopes
is
included
in
that
as
well
so
and
much
like
kind
of
in
that
advisory
role.
We
do
see
the
urban
Forester,
providing
some
of
the
expertise
and
guidance
on
resolutions
to
some
of
those
actions.
Those
sorts
of
things
and
those
are
development
projects
or
projects
that
or
areas
that
fall
in
that
steep
slope
that
has
that
restriction
or
the
riparian
zone
or
protected
trees
because
of
the
development
or
subdivision.
O
O
If
there
are
City
projects
that
are
required
to
have
some
of
these
components
that
are
under
the
Udo,
then
they
will
comply
and
follow
the
compliance
of
the
Udo
and
compliance
officers
did
I
say
that.
Well
enough.
J
Yeah,
so
the
only
thing
I'll
add
is
primary.
Enforcement
on
private
property
will
come
from
those
compliance
officers,
but
the
urban
Forester
will
be
authorized
to
take
action
as
well.
We
may
be,
and
the
only
thing
that
Nancy
didn't
cover
is:
we
do
have
options
with
ongoing
private
projects.
Again.
Private
development
projects
is
what
I'm
speaking
to
right.
Now
we
do
have
pretty
broad
Authority
from
Udo
for
stock
work
orders.
So
a
specific
question
was
asked:
if
someone
said
in
violation,
can
we
stop
that
project?
The
answer
is
yes,
yeah.
O
Different
path
and
if
they're
ones,
that
are
public
projects
that
are
permitted
and
that
stop
order
is
associated
with
a
issue
that
is
coming
from
one
of
those
elements
that
is
under
those
that
are
under
those
permits
right
so,
for
instance,
with
erosion
sentiment
control
on
on
private
projects.
We
have
that
those
stock
order
work
order
options.
If
people
fail
to
come
into
compliance
on
private
project,
I
mean
on
public
projects,
because
public
funded
projects,
the
erosion
sentiment
control,
is
under
the
purview
of
the
state.
O
H
Well,
Mark
might
answer
this
with
Gloria's
emails,
I've
been
under
the
impression
that
she's
reached
out
the
city
many
many
times
with
no
response,
and
so
my
question
is
in
a
situation
where
a
homeowner
has
seen
trees
be
removed
without
flags
on
them,
and
she
believes
they
were
not
on
a
list
because
she's
paying
attention
where,
where
has
this
breakdown
been?
If
there
there's
a
wayward
contractor
out
there,
removing
30-inch
trees
who
like?
Why
has
there
been
no
response
to
this?
H
As
far
as
like
hey
I'm,
double
checking
this
and
the
trees
are
on
the
list?
Yeah,
that's
bare
minimum.
You
know
the
the
worst
case
scenario
is
there.
They
are
removing
trees
that
were
not
on
a
list
and
we're
moving.
You
know
we're
losing
these
large
trees
and
there
have
been
no
response
from
the
city.
So
I'm
curious.
H
H
I
I,
don't
necessarily
know
the
details
she
sent.
She
sent
him
to
the
city
council.
She
sent
them
to.
She
did
get
a
response
from
some
City
Department.
It
might
have
been
development
that
the
emails
have
been
ported
to
the
appropriate
parties.
I
think
is
the
best
best
thing
that
she
got.
O
Because
we
can't
answer
the
questions
that
she's
asking,
because
it's
not
a
development
project,
so
I
mean
we're
forwarding
to
Chris
Coral
the
you
know,
project
manager
and
I,
don't
know
if
we
forwarded
on
Mark
have
we
included
you
on
those
or
not?
Q
That
you
know
you
all
been
discussing
in
this
meeting.
The
stuff
was
not
directed
to
me.
This
came
to
you
all.
Ultimately,
Greg
Schuler,
as
Public
Works
director
per
chapter
20,
is
responsible
for
trees
on
city
property.
Q
It's
fairly
straightforward
in
there,
and
so
if
we
have
an
internal
project
that
is
off
the
rails
in
some
way,
then
he
has
the
authority
to
say
okay,
we
need
to
stop
and
look
and
see.
What's
going
on,
compaction
concerns
were
brought
to
my
attention
in
the
past
and
I
communicated
with
Chris
Coral,
saying,
hey,
what's
going
on,
I'm
hearing
concerns
that
the
trucks
and
the
so
forth
are
driving
around
on
the
root
systems
of
the
trees
inside
the
drip
line.
Q
They're
not
supposed
to
be,
and
so
he
addressed
that
situation
with
the
contractor.
Supposedly
I
was
also
made
aware,
through
the
Blue
Ridge
Arbors
Association
group
text,
that
the
contractor
was
talking
with
other
arborists
locally
wanting
to
see
if
they
would
be
part
of
the
project,
and
you
know-
and
we
were
speculating
as
to
you
know
what
that
meant,
and
that
kind
of
thing,
but
I
also
took
that
concern
to
Chris
Coral
and
said
hey.
Q
Do
you
know
that
your
contractor
is
asking
other
arborists
to
be
involved,
and
so,
whether
or
not
I
respond
to
something
doesn't
necessarily
mean
you
know:
I'm
not
taking
action
on
it,
but
going
forward
I'm
happy
to
go
out
and
take
a
look
and
see
what's
going
on
site
as
far
as
trees
being
removed,
that
supposedly
weren't
marked
every
time
that
I
went
out
in
the
past.
Q
What
I
was
seeing
was
ribbons
that
have
been
ripped
off
trees
and
were
dangling
off
of
bushes
and
any
you
know
other
solid
object.
The
wind
could
blow
them
onto
so.
The
public
had
been
involved
in
actively
removing
the
markings
from
the
trees,
but
because
the
person
Matt,
who
is
the
golf
course
superintendent
had
been
going
around
and
you
know,
had
an
actual
list
and
knew
the
actual
trees,
because
he'd
been
marking
them
and
then
remarking
them
and
remarking
them.
Q
They
had
a
pretty
good
idea
of
what
the
trees
were
within
the
scope
of
their
work,
probably
better
than
a
citizen
looking
out
their
front
window
and
seeing
that
there's
no
ribbon
on
a
tree
the
day
that
it
gets
cut
down.
So
I,
don't
know
but
happy
to
go.
Take
a
look.
T
Chardon
you're,
you
haven't
been
here
long,
so
you
don't
know
about
this,
but
I
I
went
through
extreme
frustration
with
the
city
a
few
years
ago.
I'm
sure
Sharon
reminds
remembers
this
because
she
came
and
checked
out
my
neighborhood
when
a
guy
across
the
street
bought
a
house
had
the
place
clear-cut
and
bulldozed,
it's
a
steep
slope
and
there
was
no
well.
Finally,
the
city
got
him
to
agree
to
replant
some
trees.
T
I
mean
it
was
a
forested
lot
and
he
just
wiped
it
out
and
it
caused
so
much
erosion
damage
to
his
neighbor
across
the
street.
From
me,
they
spent
about
thirty
thousand
dollars
restoring
their
their
Frontage,
but
there
were
to
my
knowledge,
there
was
no
real
repercussion
for
either
the
owner
or
the
contractor.
Who
did
all
that
damage
without
a
permit?
T
I
I
enforcement
has
been
a
real
problem
across
the
street
from
me
and
I
knew
who
to
contact
about
it
and
nothing
happened
except
an
agreement,
and
he
put
some
sticks
in
the
ground.
You
know
so
there's
little
two
inch
trees
here
and
there,
where
there
were
eight
and
20
inch
trees
before
he
yeah
knocked
it
down.
D
I
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
appreciate
that
we're
having
this
conversation
and
that
it
sounds
like
maybe
well.
First
of
all,
I
think
that
the
community's
involvement
is
sort
of
key
to
enforcement
and
knowing
how
to
navigate
the
pathway
to
finding
the
right
person.
And
it
sounds
like
it
sounds
like
we
almost
need
a
flow
chart
for
like.
D
Is
it
city
property
or
is
it
private
property
and
how
who
to
contact
from
there,
and
so
that
there's
sort
of
a
chain
of
people
like
actual
people,
and
somebody
can
maybe
feel
a
little
bit
more
confident
that
they're
gonna
get
somewhere
because
it's
it's
feels
fairly
convoluted.
Even
you
know
for
me
and
I
feel,
like
you
know
it
shouldn't.
B
I'll
say
the
best
place
to
report,
it
is
in
the
Asheville
app
and
then
it
gets
directed
from
there.
D
Sometimes
that
just
seems
really
Anonymous,
though,
and
you
know,
there's
a
lack
of
accountability
when
it's
just
getting
I
love
that
the
app
is
there
don't
get
me
wrong.
I
think
it's
very
useful,
but
I
think
it's
also
good
to
know
the
people
that
are
Maybe
going
to
be
potentially
helpful
a
long
way,
so
they
can
also
be
thanked
as
I
realize
that
it's
you
know
potentially
gonna
create
some
challenges,
but
they
can
also
be
thanked
for
helping
in
these
situations.
F
Yeah
I
know
that
we've
had
numerous
discussions
through
the
Coalition
of
actual
neighborhoods
in
regard
to
the
Asheville
apps,
and
while
they
are
a
handy
mechanism
for
citizens
to
ask
questions
file
complaints,
the
follow-up
is
very
spotty
and
really
does
depend
on
the
department
that
those
complaints
get
ultimately
channeled
to
and
I
do.
F
Support
Karen's
I
think
her
premise
here,
and
that
is
if
a
citizen
does
have
an
issue
in
and
I'm
talking
here.
As
a
communication,
specialist
does
have
an
issue
and
either
sends
it
to
say
the
urban
forestry
commission
or
a
department
director
or
through
the
the
public
access.
F
That
I
would
really
hope
that
staff,
even
though
they
do
respond
to
that
and
communicate
with
the
appropriate
people
to
resolve
an
issue
that
a
citizen
brings
up,
that
that
communication
Loop
gets
linked
back
around
and
that
the
citizen
understands
that
staff
has
actually
done
its
due
diligence.
That
I
think
some
of
the
problems
that
we
have
with
Community
perception
of
and
I'm
only
going
to
talk
about
the
city
of
Asheville,
because
that's
the
one
I'm
most
familiar
with
is
that
that
communication
Loop,
isn't
linked.
F
And
from
my
observations
and
personal
experience,.
E
F
Think
most
City
staff
are
very
responsible
in
responding
to
questions
issues,
complaints
they
receive
from
citizens,
except
that,
ultimately
the
citizen
doesn't
know
that.
So
this
is
an
issue
that
goes
Way
Beyond,
the
urban
forestry
commission
by
now,
but
I
think
at
some
point
and
I
don't
know
if
councilwoman
Roney
can
Aid
in
this
at
all.
But
there
is,
there
does
need
to
be
a
better
communication
response
policy
or
a
system
in
place
in
the
city
of
Asheville,
between
City
staff
and
the
city's
residents.
I
I
hear
that
on
two
updates
from
our
Council
retreat
that
I
can
share
one
is
there
are
going
to
be
updates
to
the
Asheville
app
that
are
anticipated
forthcoming.
The
second
one
is
exactly
that
that
communication
and
Outreach
realizing
that
there's
going
to
be
a
digital
divide
if
we
only
rely
on
the
Asheville
app
but
doing
an
automated
community
outreach
around
important
decisions
like
this.
I
This
kind
of
conversation
was
had
at
this
month's
meeting
of
the
neighborhood
advisory
committee,
which
just
had
an
excellent
presentation
on
some
work.
That's
happening
to
refine
the
guidelines
for
doing
engagement,
around
development
and
Proxima.
Proximity
to
neighborhoods
and
staff
may
be
able
to
give
a
future
update
on
that
I
think.
We
could
certainly
request
an
update
to
the
urban
forestry
commission
to
help
get
gain
a
better
picture
of
how
we're
communicating
proactively.
B
Thank
you
good
discussion,
I
think
we
can
wrap
that
one
up,
because
we
do
have
a
couple
more
agenda
items.
I
But
I
did
go
back
and
look
at
the
public
comment
that
we
received
for
this
meeting
that
came
from
a
member
of
the
public
that
was
referenced.
I
did
respond,
but
my
response
is
specifically
around.
Can
we
get
an
update
on
the
current
status
of
what's
happening
in
the
muni
so
that
everyone
can
be
informed,
including
additional
members
of
the
public
and
once
I
do
have
an
answer?
I
can
certainly
ask
for
it
to
be
shared
with
the
urban
forestry
commission,
as
well
as
the
full
Council.
B
Perfect,
thank
you,
I
think,
that's
exactly
what
we
were
looking
forward
to
is.
How
can
we
address
these
specific
issues
and
then
a
lot
of
these
issues
brought
forward
as
we
move
forward
these
longer
term
issues
as
well.
Thank
you
all
right.
B
So
we
talked
previously
at
a
previous
meeting
about
the
missile
missing
middle
housing
project
that
is
coming
up.
The
city
is
doing
a
study
on
missing
middle
housing
and
a
task
force
was
put
together.
We
were
offered
a
seat
as
the
UFC
on
that
task.
Force
I
sent
out
an
email
to
see
if
anyone
else
was
interested.
B
I
am
personally
interested
in
being
our
representative,
but
I
wanted
to
just
make
sure
I
didn't
receive
any
opposition,
but
if
anyone
else
was,
you
know
highly
Desiring
that,
but
we
also
do
need
to
select
an
alternate
in
case
I'm,
not
able
to
make
a
meeting.
So
I
was
wondering
if
anyone
was
interested
in
being
just
the
alternate
for
that
any.
F
Volunteers
I've
been
dealing
with
Missing
middle
housing
into
as
it
relates
to
the
Coalition
of
Asheville
neighborhoods,
and
my
role
was
vice
president
of
government
relations.
So
if
not,
nobody
else
has
any
objection.
I
would
be
the
alternate.
B
That's
perfect,
yeah,
that's
great
and,
let's
again
speak
up.
If
there's
any
issues,
I,
don't
think
we
need
to
vote
on
it,
but
unless
there's
an
opposition,
okay,
thanks
Patrick
you'll,
be
the
backup
I'll,
let
vadilla
know
and
we'll
keep
you
posted.
Nothing
started
yet
with
that.
But
obviously,
as
it
goes
on
I'll
report
back
to
the
group
so
for
new
business,
let's
see
let's
go
ahead
and
start
with
the
item
that
we
had
on
the
agenda.
B
So
we
added
the
the
rad
view:
Lofts,
that's
the
issue
with
the
Sycamore
and
the
development
that
was
threatening
the
Sycamore,
that's
right
on
the
property
line
between
a
development
project
and
private
property
at
the
Gray
Eagle,
and
we
added
it
on
here.
It's
I.
This
is
going
to
be
pretty
much
the
same
discussion
we
just
had.
There
was
and
I
believe
you
guys
might
have
to
update
me
because
it
got
really
confusing,
because
the
project
was
actually
not
on
the
books
and
nobody
really
knew
what
was
going
on
for
a
long
time.
B
But
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
it
ended
up
being
unpermitted
grading
that
was
threatening
that
tree
so
I
mean
that
what
do
you
do
in
that
situation
and
that's
I,
guess
kind
of
what
we're
talking
about
is
almost
a
retrospective.
B
What
are
the
options
when
something
like
that
happens
so
I
just
want
to
open
it
up
for
discussion,
I
believe
the
tree
is
still
standing
as
of
right
now,
but
likely
damaged,
but
so
any
input.
How
do
we
see
the
UFC
specifically
playing
a
role
in
this
kind
of
issue?
Obviously
we
offered
help
in
terms
of
looking
at
the
tree,
and
you
know
offering
suggestions
that
kind
of
thing.
But
what
else
could
we
do
as
a
group
for
this
kind
of
situation,
so
Sharon.
E
I
think
as
my
involvement
in
TRC,
because
I
did
review
this
development
because
it's
large
and
where
the
property
was
three
or
I'm
going
to
say
three
pin
numbers
but
I
think
there's
more
than
that
involved
where
that
tree
sits
is
a
boundary
tree
was
on
the
Gray
Eagle
and
then
the
fingers
property,
and
it
was
getting
graded
due
to
the
red
red
property
due
to
storm
water.
E
Now
my
thing
is:
if
I
haven't
seen
it
on
designated
on
a
map
on
the
plans,
then
I
would
have
questioned
it
because
I
would
have
seen
how
it
sat
on
the
boundary
and
I
would
ask
in
my
notes.
What
are
you
going
to
do
about
that
that
tree
that
sits?
So
what
we've
got
is
we've
got
an
issue
of
boundary.
E
Trees
do
not
have
to
be
designated
on
a
plan
that
I
know
of
now
that
may
be
written
in
some
code,
some
somewhere
that
I'm
not
familiar
with
it,
so
I'm
thinking
if
we
ever
get
a
historic
trees
or
our
large
trees
designated
in
UFC.
Somehow,
then
that
tree
would
have
had
to
have
been
noted.
And
someone
like
me,
that's
sitting
on
TRC
would
have
said.
Well
what
about
that
large
tree?
B
E
E
D
E
Yeah
it's
it's
conversation.
I
will
only
ask
boundary
trees
when
the
levels
of
disturbance
are
marked
out
again.
You'll
have
something
like
a
CZ
that
comes
through
that
and
I'll
talk
about
that
later,
where
you
don't
have
to
have
those
specifics,
yet
they
come
down
the
road.
So
this
one
was
basically
all
the
way
around.
I
am
going
to
stick
my
neck
out
and
say
it
was
the
inspectors
that
were
out
there
that
didn't
pay
attention
to
the
grading.
E
That
was
outside
the
limits
of
disturbance,
and
it
wasn't
called
out
and
that's
my
opinion
on
it,
whether
that's
true
or
not,
I,
don't
know,
but
that's
my
take
on
it.
H
H
Is
there
any
recompense
in
this
situation?
That
is,
that
falls
under
the
the
new
policies
that
we're
working
on.
H
Is
that
not
necessarily
compensation,
but
you
know
with
the
canopy
loss
figures
and
replacement?
You
know
the
trying
to
remember
what
the
word
is,
but
you
know
we
have
those
classifications
of
trees
and
if
one
gets
removed,
then
x
amount
has
to
be
replaced
along
those
lines.
F
Well,
I
think
the
issue
was
brought
up
at
the
last
meeting
and
I
I
believe
that
Nancy
said
that
this
project
did
fall
under
the
tree,
canopy
preservation
ordinance
and
they
must
follow
that
ordinance.
E
E
This
was
a
whole
different
pin
number
that
was
not
involved
in
any
of
our
Udo
requirements,
the
7-Eleven
3
or
719.
This
is
strictly
a
private
boundary
tree
that
got
graded
improperly.
B
L
E
Civil
problem,
and
not
a
and
not
under
our
ordinance
issues
that
we
would
have
because
of
the
PIN
numbers
involved.
F
But
tree
was
subject
to
the
the
the
grading
protection
correct.
No.
E
E
So
therefore
part
of
the
Civil
issue
may
or
may
not
be
you
graded
when
you
shouldn't
have
but
I
do
know
from
my
own
perspective.
Looking
at
it
is
that
they
needed
to
grade
a
certain
area
because
of
the
storm
water
now
would
they
have
asked
the
property
owner
going
hey?
We
need
to
grade
this
because
of
our
storm
water.
E
Existing
stormwater
issues,
we've
got
and
we
need
to
take
it
over
this
way
and
a
property
owner
said
yeah
go
ahead
and
do
it
and
I'm
assuming
that's
kind
of
what
happened
with
this,
because
it
really
should
have
been
part
of
the
grading
of
the
original
project.
When
you
look
at
it,
but
I
never
saw
the
existing
grade
and
that'd
be
a
Nancy
thing,
and
she
always
is
good
at
explaining
this.
O
Oh
no,
it
is
part
of
the
grading
plan,
like
the
silt
fence
on
the
development
plans,
is
right
on
that
property
line,
and
it's
because
there's
a
building
with
a
storm
water
drain.
Next
to
said,
building
as
part
of
the
development
so
I
mean-
and
it
is
one
of
those
things
where
silt
fence
can
be
because
it's
on
the
property
line
and
it's
real.
You
know
it's
hard.
It's
not
super
clear
if
you're
not
used
to
looking
at
these
plans,
like
that's
I'm,
like
I'm,
going
to
the
plans
now
to
go
I'm
looking
for
it.
O
So
that's
why
it
sticks
out
to
me
more,
but
I
mean
it
is
the
boundary
tree.
We
don't
have
regulations
around
boundary,
trees
and
North.
Carolina
is
very
specific
about
what
we
can
and
cannot
require
on
and
off
properties
as
part
of
developments.
So
that's
something
that
women,
you
know
as
we
look
at
these
things,
we're
going
to
want
to
have
legal
intently
involved,
but
ultimately
this
turns
out
to
be
a
civil
matter.
O
At
this
point,
I
don't
know
when
the
set
of
plans
came
in
Sharon
that
has
this
stuff
on
it.
I
think
it
might
have
been
final
TRC,
but
it
might
not
have
that's
that
I
haven't
checked
to
see
that
to
see
if
this
amount
of
detail
was
in
the
plan
sets
that
you
were
sent
and
that's
where
it
may
not
have
been,
because
if
we
have
one
of
the
trcs
that
gets
approved
with
conditions
and
then
some
of
those
conditions
are
more
detail
on
this.
O
E
But
there
wasn't
also
the
silk
fence
was
a
good
20
feet
away
from
the
actual,
because
I
walked
out
on
the
I
walked
the
job
and
I,
and
so
I
saw
where
the
silk
fence
was
in
location.
I've
got
pictures
of
it,
but
it
doesn't
matter
because
I
knew
it
needed
to
be
graded.
S
L
O
O
O
E
Which
also
brings
me
looking
it
up
on
excela,
looking
for
that
PIN
number
and
any
work
that
was
done
on
that
property
and
I.
Don't
know
whether
everything
is
getting
posted
on
excela,
but
there
was
nothing
at
all
posted
on
that
PIN
number
for
any
work
being
done
so
I'm,
just
I
just
went
to
the
place
that
the
city
is
going
through.
So
many
changes
they
just
hadn't
had
a
chance
to
post
a
lot
of
them.
O
C
H
Yeah
Nancy
I
want
to
get
clear
on
something
that
you
mentioned.
Like
is
the
city
restricted
by
state
law,
on
enforcement
of
boundary
protection.
B
We're
restricted
in
a
lot
of
ways,
because
we
are
not
allowed
to
make
rules
on
private
property,
basically,
unless
they
meet
certain
criteria.
O
P
O
Provides
us
the
authority,
some
things
like
for,
like
erosion,
control
and
off-site
segmentation.
That's
one
thing
that
lives
in
a
1972
lull
that
now
applies
within
some
of
our
standards,
but
there
is
like
it's
just
I
know
that
there's
restrictions
around
off-site
improvements
based
on
a
development
I,
don't
know
how
that
impacts,
Foundry
trees,
any
of
that
I
know
from
a
little
bit
of
conversation
with
Ed
that
it
can
get
sticky,
which
is
when
we
start
having
these
conversations.
O
B
All
right-
and
actually
this
topic
ties
in
I-
want
to
get
to
our
last
bit
here.
Well,
we
have
a
little
bit
of
time,
so
the
item
that
was
added
was
to
talk
about
the
Aspire
development.
This
is
in
conceptual
phase
right
now,
but
it's
come
through
TRC.
So
Sharon
wanted
to
give
us
an
update
or
it's
coming
to
you.
I,
don't
know
if
it's
been
through
yeah.
E
Yeah
I
saw
it
Monday,
I'm
gonna,
try
to
make
this
quick
and,
as
you
all
know,
I'm,
not
quick.
It's
ten
and
a
half
acres.
It's
a
the
Baptist,
the
First
Baptist
Church.
If
everybody's
aware
of
it
I'm
going
to
read
the
boundaries,
the
site
is
bound
on
Charlotte
Street
to
the
East
College
Street,
on
the
South
Oakwood
Finn
to
the
Southwest
Central
Avenue
to
the
west
and
I-240
East
off
ramp
to
the
north.
It
is
one
Oak
all
the
way
to
the
Y
and
I.
E
Don't
know,
and
Nancy
will
probably
can
correct
me
in
this.
I've
never
seen
anything
come
through
like
this
to
the
city.
It
is
a
CZ,
but
it's
called
a
conceptual
master
plan
and
what
they're
going
to
do
is
they've
been.
They
gave
a
plan
of
a
rendering
of
what,
with
some
trees
and
some
green
space
and
where
the
hotel
and
their
low-cost
housing
that
they're
proposing
and
parking
in
a
parking
garage
and
some
green
spaces.
E
But
it's
not
an
indication
of
what
it's
really
going
to
look
like
and
it's
as
a
CZ.
You
don't
have
to
have
a
specific
rendering
of
what
a
project
looks
like
as
the
CZ
as
it
goes
through
the
process
and
then,
as
it
goes
through
the
processes.
I
look
it'll
come
back
to
TRC
and
I
will
see
more
specifics
on
it.
E
Now,
with
the
developers
have
been
doing,
which
has
been
good,
is
they'll
call
up
the
trees
of
of
what's
going
to
be
saved,
what's
going
to
be
existing
and
generally
what
it's
going
to
look
like,
and
on
this,
what
they're
doing
is
they're
presenting
the
whole
conceptual
master
plan
to
the
city
in
this
rendering
and
then
once
that's
approved
as
a
CZ
they're,
going
to
divide
it
up
into
level
twos,
so
that
they're
going
to
do
it
in
three
phases
from
if
I
remember
correctly,
so
that
each
phase
of
this
will
not
have
to
go
back
to
council
once
a
CZ
is
approved,
then
they'll
divide
it
up
and
everything
will
be
a
level
two
and
then
everything
will
go
through
in
their
phases
as
a
level
two.
E
What
happened
with
me
is
that
I
know
there's
a
lot
of
trees
on
that
site.
Some
of
them
are
were
planted
as
vehicle
use,
Street
trees,
there's
at
10,
Acres,
I'm,
gonna,
I'm,
gonna,
hasten
a
guess
and
say
it's
about
20
percent
treat
and
some
of
these
trees
are
very
large.
They're
Street
trees,
I'm
going
to
call
them
building
impact
trees
because
they
look
like
they
were
planted
under
a
building
impact
or
some
sort
of
ordinance
like
that
and
they're
large.
E
Unfortunately,
I
can't
tell
what
type
of
trees
they
are
because
they
don't
I'm,
not
Chardon
or
Ed
they're.
Having
leaves
on
them
yet
but
I'm
guessing
a
lot
of
them
are
Maples
because
they
start
now
coming
out
and
I
can
recognize
when
a
maple
comes
out
so
I'm
going
to
say,
there's,
probably
over
a
hundred
trees
that
are
going
to
be
impacted
by
this
and
because
I
did
not
know
what
they're
going
to
do
with
the
existing
trees
at
TRC
I
asked
I.
E
E
What's
coming
out,
what's
going
in
so
a
CZ
will
allow
for
that,
but
and
so
at
TRC
I
said
they're
going
to
have
a
a
special
virtual
meeting
before
they
meet
for
the
downtown
Review
Committee
on
March,
23rd
and
I
request
to
for
them
to
give
me
some
kind
of
idea
of
what
they're
going
to
do
with
the
existing
trees,
because
I
did
say
that
I
know
that
most
of
those
interior
trees
are
not
going
to
make
it
through
this
development,
because
it's
a
massive
development
and
there
is
no
way
with
amount
of
clearing
and
building
they're
going
to
do
that.
E
Any
of
these
interior
trees
are
going
to
be
saved
and
I
wanted
to
know
if
any
of
the
exterior.
If
the
street
trees
were
going
to
be
saved
and
if
they
were
with
the
development.
What
that
was
going
to
look
like
they
are
going
to
be
because
it's
a
a
CBD,
Central
business
district
they're
not
required
to
do
billing
impact.
They
are
required
to
do
Street
trees,
one
every
40
foot
on
Center
and
they
are
required
to
do
a
canopy
requirement
which
I'm
guessing
is
going
to
be.
E
10
percent,
so
they
did
with
Chris
Collins
help
and
will
palmquest
told
them
the
more
trees
that
they
save
the
less
fee
and
Lou
they'll
have
to
pay.
So
they
did
agree
to
submit
to
through
the
TRC
portal
a
concept
of
what
trees
that
they're
planning
on
saving
with
this
development,
which
brings
me
to
the
question
of
when
we've
got
seizes
going
through,
or
if
we're
going
to
have
these
huge
developments
and
they're
going
to
come
through
as
a
conceptual
master
plan
and
then
divide
it
up.
E
Then
we
as
Urban
Forester
commission
and
the
community
should
be
aware
when
we've
got
old,
big
canopy
trees.
What's
going
to
happen
with
these
trees
and
have
a
con
have
an
idea,
because
when
they
brought
this
to
Easton
Valley
as
to
talk
to
us
about
it,
I
asked
the
same
questions.
I
asked
them
at
TRC.
This
is
not
what
it's
going
to
look
like.
This
is
conceptual.
What's
it
really
going
to
look
like,
and
they
said
to
me-
well
we're
working
on
that.
E
B
All
right,
thank
you.
I
just
want
to
clarify
real
quick
CZ
is
conditional
zoning,
which
has
different
rules
than
standard
development,
so
Chris.
J
Our
conditional
zoning
checklist
doesn't
actually
require
that
they
show
us
compliance
with
tree,
canopy
or
detailed
landscape
plans
on
any
conditional
zoning
application
right
now,
but
a
lot
of
them
do
anyway,
so
I'm
just
kind
of
throwing
that
out
there.
It
is
meant
to
be
a
conceptual
plan
until
Council
approves
it,
and
then
everything
that
comes
in
after
that
on
the
detailed
plan
is
required
to
meet
two
things
that
Master
Plan
that's
been
approved
by
Council
in
the
ordinance
that
goes
along
with
it
and
Udo
like
everything
else.
J
So
that's
kind
of
the
process
in
a
nutshell.
For
that
just
adding
noise
Sharon
said
sharing
Bread
on
this
one
is
very,
very
large.
So
it's
it's
really
got
a
lot
of
people's
attention
and
it
does
have
a
large
impact
so
we're
working
through
it.
They
seem
willing
to
provide
details
as
we
ask
as
commissions
staff.
O
And
I
will
say
this:
one
is
a
little
because
of
it's
phasing
into.
It
is
a
little
bit,
it's
more
conceptual
than
our
typical
conceptual,
it's
more
of
that
massing
and
although
we
are
asking
for
some
specifics,
Within
that
TRC
and
the
CZ
requirements
for
you
know
Heights
and
other
things
and
space
things
and
and
so
and
I,
just
knowing
the
the
processes
that
this
is
going
to
go
through
through
pnz
and
downtown
review
and
other
things
that
those
boards
will
also
have
their
comments.
O
That
I
think
will
help
build
this
conditional
zoning
out
and
then
once
like
it,
the
lab
once
that
goes
through
the
level
two
will
come
through,
like
they
usually
do
where
we
will
get
that
final.
Well,
we'll
get
that
detailed
information
as
part
of
that
submittal
of
each
phase,
but
I
think
they
will
have
to
show
and
designate
their
phases
as
part
of
the
CZ.
O
So
but
do
you
know,
participate
a
citizenry
can
within
those
those
committees
and
the
public
meetings
that
they're
willing
to
have
with
us
too.
So
this
is
It's
a
large
project.
Thank.
B
H
Well,
I'll
just
say
quickly:
Sharon,
thanks
for
bringing
this
to
our
attention
and
I.
Think
that
it's
a
great
example
of
you
know
what
can
happen
when
we
involve
planting
around
trees
from
the
very
beginning.
You
know
those
those
Folks,
at
least
for
my
memory
on
Charlotte
Street
I
mean
there
are
pin
oaks
and
they're
one
of
the
the
rarely
you
know
well
planted
trees
that
is
on
in
the
city.
You
know
they
have
really
nice
root
collars.
They
have
plenty
of
soil
space
and
I.
H
Think
that
the
sooner
that
we
can
bring
attention
to
the
fact
that
they're
really
valuable
and
should
be
retained,
the
sooner
that
that
can
be
implemented
into
the
planning
process.
That's
that's
it's
a
big
thing
that
I
see
as
an
arborist.
You
know
I'm
the
most
effective
arborist
as
far
as
tree
preservation.
If
I'm
started
in
the
project
before
the
house
is
even
cited,
so
it's
kind
of
the
same
principle
here.
So
thank
you.
B
And
not
to
put
too
much
on
Keith
before
you
even
start,
but
as
we
imagined
the
urban
Forester
position,
you
know
for
the
past
several
years.
This
is
one
of
those
key
places
that
we're
hoping
that
the
urban
Forester
be
involved
projects
like
this,
where
it
really
you
know,
we
can't
put
everything
on
a
volunteer
to
keep
tabs
on
that
all
the
way
through.
B
N
All
right,
I'm
I'm
happy
to
do
it
and
you
know
I
I,
you
know
getting
an
inventory
done
of.
You
know:
oral
Street
trees,
of
course,
where
we
need
to
start
so
that
we
have
information
on
these
trees,
so
we're
not
trying
to
guess
what
they
are,
and
you
know
how
old
they
are
and
that
sort
of
thing
so
that
that's
you
know
obviously
one
of
my
strong
points
so
absolutely.
E
Yeah,
what
I've
learned
with
working
with
Ed
is
that
we
have
end-of-life
trees
and
we
have
some
end-of-life
trees
there.
So
they're
not
going
to
take
any
kind
of
construction
around
them
at
all
period
And.
So
then
we
have
to
as
a
urban
forestry
commission,
take
a
look
at
the
reality
of
we
have
end
of
Life
trees
and
it
may
be
for
the
future,
like
on
Vermont
Street,
that
we're
planting
for
on
developments
like
this,
and
we
try
to
keep
as
much
canopy.
E
We
can
with
trees
that
are
going
to
be
able
to
survive
this,
but
then
there's
the
reality
of
these
trees
aren't
going
to
survive
this
and
therefore
we
need
to
put
something
in,
as
Keith
said,
that's
a
decent
tree
and
not
a
darn
forest
pansy.
You
know
and
a
real
what
I
call
a
real
tree
that
is
going
to
do
its
job
and
give
the
canopy
the
size,
because
a
lot
of
commercial
businesses
do
not
want
to
put
a
tree
and
it's
going
to
block
their
business
because
they'll
yell
at
me.
E
Well,
I
can't
see
my
sign.
Can't
you
take
that
tree
down,
can't
you
prune
it
as
a
person
in
my
world
that
deals
with
commercial
property
30.
Well,
that's
just
too
big
well
and
so
then
a
lot
of
people
that
do
design
work
will
say
well.
Well,
okay,
we'll
put
a
forest
pansy
in
and
that
to
me
is
not
it's
it's
a
tree,
but
it's
not
what
I
call
a
real
tree.
B
B
C
Thanks,
so
we
are
happy
to
announce
that
we've
hired
a
community
forestry
coordinator
for
the
organization,
Sarah
Millar
and
she
just
started
yesterday,
so
we're
excited
to
have
her
on
board
she'll,
be
managing
our
tree
keeper
program
and
working
at
the
nursery
and
doing
tree
adoption
events
and
tree
plantings
in
the
community.
Anything
related
to
urban
forestry,
so
I
hope
you
get
to
meet
her
soon.