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B
All
live
public
comments
will
be
limited
to
three
minutes
per
person.
Additional
information
may
be
conveyed
to
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
in
written
form.
In
tonight's
meeting.
We
will
only
hear
public
comment
on
legislative
public
hearings.
We
will
not
hear
public
comment
on
unfinished
business.
That
is
the
items
that
we
talked
about
last
week.
B
B
D
E
F
B
H
C
We
can
we'd
be
happy
to
go
back
through
the
and
we
can
look
at
the
recording
and
kind
of
get
a
good
account
of
what
you
said
and
add
that
to
the
minutes.
If
that's
okay
with
you.
J
B
We
have
a
motion
in
a
second
to
approve.
Last
month's
meetings.
Excuse
me
meeting
minutes
with
additional
comments
to
be
added
that
were
made
by
mr
rodriguez.
E
A
B
C
Mr
chair,
I'm
just
going
to
offer
a
very
brief
comment
about
the
project,
as
you
stated
earlier,
just
to
let
everybody
know
or
remind
anybody
who
might
be
listening
from
home.
This
was
a
conditional
zoning
whose
public
hearing
was
heard
last
month
at
the
may
5th
regular
meeting
and
in
response
to
that
that
hearing
the
applicant
has
submitted
some
revised
plans
and
I
summarized
those
changes
and
put
a
copy
of
the
revised
plans
in
this
month's
meeting
materials.
C
Of
course,
all
of
last
month's
meeting
materials
are
available
as
well
in
the
may
5th
document
link,
but
for
this
month,
just
to
I'll.
Just
very
briefly
summarize
the
changes
the
applicant
is
proposing
to
reduce
the
number
of
single-family
lots
from
76
to
51.
So
that's
a
reduction
of
25
lots,
but
those
25
lots
are
being
replaced
with
28
attached
single
family
town
home
units.
So
that's
a
net
increase
of
three
units,
but
it's
a
smaller
footprint.
C
The
grading
has
been
revised
to
no
longer
include
the
cut
slopes
that
exceed
two
to
one
and
it's
also
reduced
the
overall
extent
of
grading
from
from
thirteen
and
a
half
acres
down
to
twelve
and
a
quarter.
Acres
driveways
are
18
feet
deep,
where
they're
adjacent
to
sidewalks
and
the
sidewalk
planting
strip
has
been
expanded
from
four
feet
to
five
feet:
to
accommodate
the
trees
and
the
extent
of
the
retaining
walls
has
been
reduced.
C
The
number
of
walls,
location
of
the
walls
and
the
maximum
height,
I
believe,
are
the
same,
but
the
overall
length
and
amount
of
square
foot
of
finished
face
has
been
reduced,
so
that
kind
of
summarizes
those
changes.
Hopefully,
you
all
have
had
a
chance
to
look
at
that
and
the
applicant
and
their
design
team
is
also
available.
If
you
have
any
additional.
D
I'd
like
to
make
a
few
comments,
if
I
can,
you
know,
I
certainly
appreciate
the
applicants
project
team.
You
know
working
to
to
make
the
changes.
I
certainly
feel
it's
great.
You
know.
I
know
I
made
the
comment
last
time
that
I
didn't
want
to
see
a
reduction
in
the
overall
number
of
houses
just
to
make
it
fit.
In
fact,
if
you
brought
more,
that
would
be
even
better.
D
I
still
think
it's
a
little
light
on
where
it
could
be.
You
know,
especially
on
the
affordability
issue.
You
know
we're
barely
over
six
percent.
You
know
79
total
units,
five
of
them
being
affordable,
that
that
doesn't
even
hit
the
the
bare
minimum
ten
percent.
If,
if
you
know
not
even
mentioning
the
20-
and
there
still
are
some-
you
know
issues
as
far
as
being
over
the
total
amount
of
square
footage
disturbed
for
a
steep
slope
area,
so
I
it
certainly
is
better.
H
K
H
Yeah,
okay,
I
want
to
reiterate
what
I
said
the
last
time,
which
is
this
seems
like
the
same
site
plan
technical.
I
mean
with
just
an
addition
of
different
housing
structures,
but
the
the
it
doesn't
seem
to
really
deal
with
the
topography
or
any
kind
of
creative
attempt
to
cluster
buildings
or
to
to
have.
H
I
would
like
to
see
more
different
housing
types
and
and
and
and
smaller,
maybe
one
and
two
bedrooms.
I
I
think,
as
as
commissioner
archibald
said,
we're
going
in
the
right
direction.
We're
not
there.
H
B
D
I
moved
to
deny
the
conditional
zoning
request
for
the
property
located
at
70
mils
gap,
road,
industrial
and
residential
single
family,
low
density,
rs2
to
residential
expansion,
conditional
zone
res
exp
cz,
and
find
that
the
request
is
not
reasonable,
not
in
public
interest,
not
consistent
with
the
city's
comprehensive
plan
and
does
not
meet
the
development
needs
of
the
community
and
that
the
request.
One
results
in
significant
impacts
to
the
natural
environment.
H
E
B
L
C
And
I'm
sorry
just
to
clarify
this
item
will
still
move
on
to
city
council.
It
just
moves
on
with
a
negative
recommendation.
Correct.
B
Correct
and
just
as
we
enter
into
the
next
item
under
unfinished
business,
this
case
will
also
move
on
to
city
council,
and
I
will
reiterate
what
ms
tuck
said
a
moment
ago
and
what
I
opened
the
k,
the
the
meeting
with.
We
are
not
accepting
public
comment
on
this
case.
Public
comment
was
accepted
during
the
hearing
before
the
hearing
and
after
the
hearing
for
24
hours
last
month.
We
did
receive
additional
comment
on
this
case
during
the
24
hours
after
the
hearing,
and
it
was
shared
with
all
of
the
commissioners.
C
Thank
you,
mr
hauser.
So
again,
as
this
item
was
the
public
hearing
for
this
has
already
been
conducted,
I
I
hadn't
intended
to
go
through
the
the
materials,
but
I
can
pull
up
anything
as
if
this
as
if
there
is
discussion-
and
you
would
like
me
to
I'd-
be
happy
to
pull
up
the
site
plan
or
any
of
the
other
materials.
Just
let
me
know
there
were.
C
There
was
little
additional
context
that
was
supplied
by
the
applicant
in
response
to
the
commissioners
and
staff's
comments
from
last
month
addressing
some
some
site
context
for
the
townhomes
on
baird
street
and
the
small
multi-family
on
furman
that
was
included
in
your
meeting
materials
for
this
month
as
well
as
copies
of
some
of
the
other.
Just
you
know
for
easy
reference,
a
copy
of
the
staff
report,
a
copy
of
the
b1
conditions,
etc
from
last
month.
There
are
no
changes
proposed
with
the
b1
conditions
at
this
time.
C
D
I've
got
a
couple
of
comments,
I'd
like
to
make,
if
I
may,
as
both
miss
tuck
and
mr
hauser
indicated,
we
did
receive
additional
public
comment
within
that
24-hour
window,
and
I
did
you
know,
read
all
of
those
comments.
D
Most
of
them
were
similar
to
comments
that
we'd
received
before
either
for
or
against
this
particular
project.
You
know
we
spent
a
lot
of
time
talking
about
this
project.
At
the
last
meeting
mr
houser
made
some.
I
thought
very
apropos
comments
at
the
very
beginning
of
the
discussion
of
this
project
and
those
still
apply.
D
It
really
seems
like
this
project
has
become
a
sticking
point
in
the
community
around
increased
development
in
neighborhoods,
especially
around
existing
historic
neighborhoods,
or
I
hate
to
even
use
the
word
historic.
Just
you
know
older
neighborhoods.
Let's
say
that
you
know:
affordability
around
housing
is
an
issue
for
everyone.
If
you
know
you
do
all
your
shopping
on
amazon
and
go
to
sam's
club
and
look
for
the
cheapest
price
you're,
not
helping
the
affordability
issue.
D
Affordability
is
a
problem
because
the
wages
are
low.
There
aren't
the
jobs
here
in
town,
and
it
just
continues
to
be
perpetuated
by
those
who
kind
of
see
that
you
know
they
have
theirs,
and
no
one
else
needs
to
have
anything
else.
D
Regarding
this
project
in
particular,
you
know
I
made
some
pretty
direct
comments
about
what
I
wanted
to
see
in
the
project
and
there
are
no
changes,
and
I
made
the
mention
of
it
last
time
that
I
was
gonna
start
looking
at
these
czs
in
the
context
of
the
public
benefits
table
that
we
had
passed
with
the
hotel
moratorium,
just
a
quick
rundown
if
we
were
to
alone
take
just
the
13
buildings,
not
not,
including
all
of
the
individual
housing
units
in
those
buildings
which
adds
up
to
approximately
29,
the
project
would
start
off
with
a
negative
260
points
right
out
of
the
gate.
D
Just
for
the
buildings
to
get
to
200.
That's
a
long
climb.
That's
a
long
climb.
The
barely
10,
affordable
housing
is
not
going
to
get
you
out
of
a
260
point
hole.
There
aren't
really
no
other
public
benefits
involved.
Yes,
there's
open
space!
There's
a
you
know,
park
area
outdoor
courtyard,
whatever
you
want
to
call
it,
but
it's
still
not
going
to
get
you
out
of
that
hole.
D
You
know,
like
I
said
I
made
some
made
my
comments
clear
about
what
I
would
like
to
see
in
this
project
and
nothing
has
changed
so.
Unfortunately,
at
this
time
it's
not
a
project.
I
can
support.
I
support
density.
I
support
projects
like
this,
but
this
project
as
it's
presented,
I
I
can't
be
in
favor
of
it.
B
H
I
I
appreciate
the
the
creativity
that
went
into
wellness.
There's
some
great
details,
it's
the
kind
of.
If
we
had,
we
dealt
some
of
the
with
the
issues
that
that
commissioner
archibald
had
mentioned.
I
think
this
would
be
a
great
project
on
another
site,
but
not
on
this.
L
L
I
agree
some
of
the
comments
that
were
made
were
increasing
the
density
towards
the
center
of
the
site,
making
use
of
the
old
asheville
arms
building,
which
is
not
considered
historic,
building
density
there.
L
The
charlotte
street
elevation
was
way
too
tall.
As
far
as
I'm
concerned,
it's
a
bit
of
a
dramatic
change
from
the
rest
of
the
neighborhood.
I
do
appreciate
that
the
sidewalk
has
improved.
That's
that's
a
huge
multimodal
transportation
is
severely
lacking
in
this
town,
and
I
do
appreciate
that
being
included.
I
like
the
building.
I
like
the
design
I
just
wish
it
was
in
another
location
as
well.
B
Add
a
couple
I
like
the
density
of
the
proposed
development.
B
B
Having
been
around
the
site
many
times
before,
and
since
the
meeting
I
don't
have
a
lot
of
heartbreak
about
the
proposed
buildings
that
are
being
taken
down.
I
like
a
lot
of
aspects
of
the
development.
I
just
think
that
the.
B
And
I
recognize
that
you're
doing
the
affordability
without
any
additional
funding
outside
funding,
and
I
I
think
that
maybe
there's
an
opportunity
to
do
both.
B
I,
like
the
character
of
the
the
information
that's
been
provided
along
baird
street,
that
that
was
supplemented.
M
Mr
chairman,
if
I
may
before
before
there's
a
vote
on
this
I'd
like
to
be
heard
very
briefly
on
the
affordability
question.
M
I
recognize
that
this,
this
board
and
city
council
and
really
all
the
citizens
of
the
city
of
asheville,
would
love
to
see
every
project
have
as
many
affordable
units
as
possible,
but
it
has
to
make
economic
sense
when
my
clients
embarked
on
this
project
and
began
thinking
about
what
could
be
done.
M
The
city
of
asheville
had
a
luigi
grant
that
would
have
given
essentially
a
property
tax
abatement
on
the
increase
in
the
property
tax
value
above.
What's
there
now,
and
then
you
look
at
at
the
totally
finished
project
and
and
we
would
have
easily
qualified
for
that
luigi
grant
with
10,
affordable
units,
and
when
I
met
with
my
clients,
I
told
them
about
this
and
they
were
enthusiastic
and
they
and
they
plan
the
project
around
that
guideline
of
10,
with
a
luigi
grant
from
the
city
of
asheville,
because
it
again
it
has
to
make
economic
sense.
M
This
is
an
expensive
site
to
build,
particularly
with
the
streetscape
improvements
along
charlotte
street,
and
particularly
with
density
at
35
units.
An
acre
may
seem
like
a
lot,
but
if
you
look
across
the
street
at
the
project
that's
being
proposed,
their
density
is
significantly
higher
than
35
units,
an
acre
with
every
additional
unit
per
acre.
Of
course,
you
can
cash
flow,
more
affordability,
that's
why
there
is
that
swing,
but
but
the
city
changed
the
rules
on
the
luigi
grant.
M
While
we
were
working
on
this
project,
they
changed
it
from
10
to
20,
so
to
now
to
qualify
for
luigi
grant.
You
have
to
have
other
criteria,
all
of
which
we
would
have
easily
met
and
and
to
your
point,
mr
archibald,
the
the
public
benefits
the
walkability,
the
proximity
to
transit.
All
of
those
things
we
meet
and
exceed
the
only
negative
points
would
be
the
removal
of
of
12
houses,
but
but
it's
otherwise
all
positive.
M
So
we
would
have
qualified,
but
the
city
changed
the
rules
and
that's
of
course,
absolutely
up
to
city
council
to
do
that,
and
so
in
light
of
that,
that
change
we
circle
back
and
we
said
well,
can
we
still
do
10
affordable
without
a
luigi
grant
without
any
help
whatsoever
from
the
city
of
asheville
and
my
clients
crunch
the
numbers
and
they
determined
that
they
could
and
we
made
that
a
condition.
M
M
So,
while
I
I
hear
all
of
you
and
your
and
your
desire
to
see
more
affordability,
I
will
tell
you
that
if
you're
setting
a
new
threshold
that
it's
got
to
exceed
10
percent,
with
no
help
from
the
city
and
no
increase
in
the
density,
you
are
setting
an
insurmountable
bar
for
the
overwhelming
majority
of
property
owners
and
developers
in
the
city.
You
are
saying
to
the
developers
the
people
who
are
willing
to
put
their
capital
at
risk.
M
M
You
heard
comments
from
a
number
of
different
folks,
thoughtful
people
on
all
sides,
and
I
think,
if
you
weigh
all
of
those
out-
and
you
think
about
the
comprehensive
plan
for
the
city
of
asheville
and
you
think
about
all
of
the
goals
that
we
do
meet,
there's
only
one
that
we
don't
and
that's
preservation
of
these
older
homes.
It's
true.
We
don't
meet
that.
We
we
save
one,
but
what
we
will
do
is
create
a
community
that
will
last
and
be
something
that
we
can
all
enjoy
for
the
next
100
years.
M
Unlike
the
existing
homes
trying
to
to
to
to
save
those
won't
create
the
kind
of
community
that
we
know.
This
city
needs
the
density
that
we
know
we
need
so
to
to
turn
this
down,
because
because
the
the
buildings
are
a
little
bit
taller
than
you
would
like
on
charlotte
street,
and
because
we
we,
we
can't
do
more
at
this
time
more
than
10
affordability.
M
To
me,
I
I
would
ask
that
you
reconsider
that
vote,
and
I
would
tell
you,
too,
that
we
have
not
given
up
on
looking
at
ways
to
add
affordability.
M
We
are
in
active
conversations
with
paul
d'angelo
to
try
to
deed,
restrict
some
of
the
asheville
arms
units
to
to
make
them,
as
as
people
move
out,
and
they
become
available
to
permanently
develop
or
deed,
restrict
them
for
20
years
so
that
they
will
remain
affordable
even
as
we
improve
them
and
add
and
add
capital
to
to
raise
that
building
up
and
and
modernize
it.
So
when
we
bring
this
project
to
city
council,
it
will
very
likely
have
more
affordability.
M
What
it
has
tonight
is
what
we
know
we
can
commit
to
and
from
a
planning
and
zoning
commission
standpoint.
I
would
ask
each
of
you
to
thoughtfully
consider
what
your
vote
means
for.
Not
only
this
project
but
for
other
projects
that
are
looming
on
the
horizon,
because
we
know
what
we
need
in
the
city
of
asheville
and
we
need
this
project,
and
so
with
that,
I
I
I
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
for
that
time,
but
you
know
this
is
an
important
project
and
this
is
a
very
important
vote.
Thank
you.
B
H
We
are
not
allowed
to.
We
have.
This,
commission
has
not
been
presented
any
plans
for
what's
going
to
happen
across
the
street,
we're
simply
looking
at
this
particular
site,
so
we
cannot
consider
what's
going
on
across
the
street,
and
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion
if,
if
there
are
no
other
comments,.
D
H
G
D
One
just
really
quick
one.
I
appreciate
your
comments,
mr
stevens,
and
I
certainly
am
not
asking
the
developer
to
take
20
or
make
it
20
affordable
and
have
that
be
on
their
own
dime.
I
mean
I
and
I
absolutely
realize
that
10
without
any
assistance
from
the
city
is
a
wonderful
offer.
What
I'm
saying
is
personally
myself
as
a
commission
member
want
to
see
more,
and
I
think
the
city
needs
to
see
more.
D
M
I
I
I
can
say
this
without
equivocation.
We
are
in
good
faith
negotiations
with
paul
d'angelo
to
add
an
additional
10,
and
that
would
come
from
two
sources.
It
would
come
from
and
and
by
the
way
we
would
take
the
56
units
that
are
in
the
asheville
arms.
M
A
certain
number
would
have
to
come
out
of
the
out
of
the
new
units.
It
would
be
more
than
the
proposed
18,
the
exact
number
of
new
units
and
the
mix
with
the
asheville
arms
units
will
have
to
be
negotiated
with
the
city.
We
would
have
to
get
a
commitment
from
city
council
for
a
luigi
grant
for
that
to
work
and
the
details
of
that
would
have
to
be
negotiated,
but
I
can
promise
you
this
we're
committed
to
trying
to
make
that
happen.
I
just
can't
tell
you
that
it's
done,
because
it
would.
L
M
Well,
we're
in
the
process
of
renovating
all
of
it,
including
the
roof,
the
landscaping
on
the
outside
and
just
update
that
1960
vintage
building
the.
What
would
happen,
though
I
mean
fundamentally,
the
box
would
remain
the
same.
The
unit
square
footages
would
remain
the
same,
but
with
respect
to
those
units
they're
all
very
popular,
but
obviously
people
move
out
and
as
they
move
out
in
the
ordinary
course
of
their
lease,
then
that
would
make
a
unit
available
to
be
deed,
restricted
and
then
you
could
people?
M
Could
income
qualify
under
the
city's
rates
to
to
secure
one
of
those
units
and
there
would
be
a
certain
number
of
them
not
all
of
them,
obviously,
but
a
certain
number
of
them.
That
would
that
would
go
together,
and
I
can't
remember
the
the
math
on
that,
but
the
total
number
of
units
would
be
20.
M
Under
that
scenario,
I
can
tell
you
that
the
city
is
looking
at
that
model
of
taking
existing
housing
stock,
that
is
market
rate
and
and
offering
an
incentive
to
an
owner
to
convert
existing
housing
stock
units
into
affordable
units.
So
we're
not
quite
there.
Yet.
That's
partly
why
this
negotiation
is
ongoing,
but
I
can,
but
I
know
that
the
that
paul
d'angelo
and
his
team
are
looking
at
that
precise
issue
right
now.
D
Have
you
had
any
discussions
among
the
development
team,
mr
stevens,
about
increasing
affordability
for
the
for
sale
units,
because
that
is
also,
if
not
an
equal,
almost
greater
concern
by
the
day
trying
to
find
for
sale,
affordable
units,
yeah.
M
Honestly,
mr
marshmallow,
we
we
haven't
had
that
discussion,
I'm
happy
to
have
that
discussion.
I
hear
you
loud
and
clear,
and
you
know
to
my
knowledge
if,
if
this
project
is
approved
by
city
council,
I
could
be
wrong,
but
I
think
even
this
one
unit
with
it's
a
duplex,
the
renovation
of
the
older
home
on
furman,
that
would
be
the
first
of
its
kind.
That's
ever
happened
in
the
city
to
me,
it's
a
really
exciting
model,
but
it's
hard.
You
know
for
folks
to
wrap
their
head
around.
M
You
know
new
construction,
making
that
work.
You
know
without
I
mean
they'll,
lose
money
on
the
renovation
of
this
older
home,
but
new
construction
is
a
whole
other
animal
and
they
would
have
to
run
the
numbers
on
that.
So
I
can't
I
can
tell
you
that
we
haven't
discussed
it
yet
we
we
will
discuss
it
in
light
of
your
question,
but
I
can't
make
any
commitments
on
it.
D
Thanks,
I
and
I
I
do
mr
stevens-
I
very
much
appreciate
what
you're
trying
to
do
and
what
the
developer
is
trying
to
do.
You
know
again,
it's
it's
kind
of.
One
of
those
I
have
to
what
is
in
front
of
us
tonight
is
is
kind
of
what
I'm
looking
at,
and
I
hear
what
you're
saying
and
I
I
want
to
see
that
happen,
and
I
want
to
encourage
you
and
the
city
to
make
that
happen.
But
again,
right
now
is
kind
of
what
I
have
to
look
at
so.
M
If,
if
you're,
if
this
commission-
and
I
really
would
urge
you
to
reconsider-
if
you
are,
but
if
this
commission
is
is
in,
is
inclined
to
vote
against
it
on
the
grounds
of
not
sufficient
affordability,
I
would
state
that,
as
the
basis
of
your
motion,
because
the
motion
that
was
read
earlier
on
70
mils
gap
said
that
you
know
we
didn't
meet
the
comprehensive
plan.
We
didn't
have
enough
walk.
We
have
all
of
those
things,
so
I
you
know,
I
would
not
accept
the
staffs
proposal
for
a
motion
on
this.
M
If
you're
going
to
deny
it
on
affordability,
but
you
think
it's
otherwise
worthwhile
send
that
message
to
city
council
that
we're
only
done
denying
it
on
that
basis,
and
I
can
promise
you
we'll
get
the
message
and
we
will
continue
the
discussion.
I
I
would
hope
the
city
staff
will
will
join
us
in
that
discussion
because
it
won't
happen
without
a
partnership
with
the
city.
B
H
I
I
don't
have
anyone
in
particular,
but
I
I
do
serve
on
the
downtown
commission
and
there's
so
there.
There
are
plenty
of
sites
that
would
be
much
more
amenable
to
this
kind
of
this
type
of
of
of
development.
It
meets
a
lot
of
our
our
goals
with
the
comments
about
for
the
affordability
of
those
could
be
met.
I
just
feel
like
these
residential
units
have
been
allowed
to.
H
These
houses
have
been
allowed
to
deteriorate,
and
now
this
is
the
the
the
most
effect
the
the
most
economically
viable
option,
but
I
I
don't
think
we're
there
yet
and
we're
we've
been
asked
to
to
to
make
a
decision
on
what's
been
presented
to
us
not
what's
being
negotiated
with
some
other
entity
and
that's
going
to
go
to
city
council,
so
my
my
decision
will
be
based
on
what's
been
presented
to
us
right
now.
M
Mr
chairman,
if,
if
I
may
address
the
site
question,
I'm
no
expert
on
available
sites
downtown,
but
I
think
you'd
be
hard-pressed
to
find
a
five
to
six
acre
site
that
could
do
what
this
site
can
do
with
greenway
paths
in
the
middle
parking
hidden
behind
the
front
structure,
wide
open,
sidewalk,
promenades,
ground
level,
retail,
with
with
residential
on
top
in
a
in
an
area.
That's
as
close
to
downtown
as
this,
I
I
don't
think
you're
going
to
be
able
to
create
this
anywhere
else
in
the
city.
M
This
is
a
unique
opportunity
with
a
unique
piece
of
property
with
a
family
that
acquired
these
parcels
over
many
decades,
and
this
is
an
opportunity
to
do
something
great,
there's
a
real
risk.
Frankly,
if
if
this
project
is
ultimately
denied
and
of
course,
we'll
go
into
city
council
in
any
event,
there's
a
real
risk
that
the
developer
will
just
say.
You
know
what
we're
just
going
to
do
a
use
by
right
we're
going
to
build.
M
You
know
two-story
buildings
with
you
know:
12
000
square
foot,
a
level,
and
you
know
we'll
just
and
no
no
expansion
of
the
sidewalk,
no
expansion
of
the
street
way
just
kind
of
what
you
know
what
you
see
in
other
places.
This
is
a
unique,
unique
site
and
a
unique
plan
with
a
lot
of
thought,
that's
gone
into
it.
So
the
idea
that
well
there
ought
to
be
somewhere
else
to
do
it.
M
I'm
not
sure
there
is
anywhere
else
to
do
what
we
have
an
opportunity
to
do
to
spark
charlotte
street
in
a
way
that
will
will
really
do
something
significant
and
long-term
and
meaningful
for
the
city.
So
I
would
ask
that
if
you
again,
if,
if
you're
inclined
to
deny
it,
please
deny
it
only
on
the
basis
of
affordability,
and
I
can
promise
you
we'll
go
back,
but
I
I
would
ask
that
you
approve
it.
I
would
ask
you,
you
know
whatever
you
came
in
with
whatever
you
were
considering
think
back
about
this
plan.
M
Think
back
about
what
this
city
needs
and
and
and
and
consider
sending
a
message
to
city
council
that
this
thoughtful
group
has
considered
this
and
they
believe
when
you
balance
all
of
the
equities.
This
is
the
right
project
with
a
recommendation
that
it
ought
to
have
more
affordability.
I'm
happy
to
take
that
very
seriously
onto
city
council,
and
I
can
assure
you
they
will
take
it
seriously
as
well.
D
Just
to
address
so
you
know,
I
made
my
comments
at
the
previous
meeting.
You
know
the
the
concerns
I
had
about
the
project,
affordability
as
one
the
others
were
the
height.
I
would
prefer
to
see
this
as
a
four-story
building
on
charlotte
street.
You
know
the
the
b1
conditions
listed
as
80
feet
max.
D
M
If
I
may
just
real
quickly
respond
to
that,
mr
chairman,
that
just
remember,
density
and
affordability
go
hand
in
hand.
If
you
reduce
a
floor
of
height
on
charlotte
street,
you
will
reduce
the
total
number
of
units
and
you
will
eliminate
the
possibility
of
you
will
significantly
reduce
the
possibility
of
even
10
percent
affordable
and
you
will
probably
eliminate
well.
You
certainly
eliminate
the
possibility
of
being
any
more
than
that,
so
everything's
a
trade-off.
M
What
we've
tried
to
do
with
this
site
is
we've
gone
to
the
lowest
part
of
the
site.
Yes,
it's
high,
but
remember
it's.
Its
height
is
not
any
higher
than
the
top
height
of
the
asheville
arms
build.
So
when
you
think
of
the
topography
of
that
whole
tract
is
scalable
and
it
is
not
going
to
loom
over
over
anybody
it.
It
is
a.
It
is
a
thoughtful
height
that
balances
the
need
to
have
enough
units
to
make
the
affordability
work.
J
Just
to
clarification,
this
is
lindsey
with
macmillan
passing
smith.
The
height
of
the
tall
buildings
are
55
feet
to
the.
I
don't
know
that
we've
dimensioned,
as
checking
back
on
our
drawings
nothing's,
showing
79
feet
on
our
elevations,
my
son,
so
I
think
they're
a
little
bit
lower
than
that
and
and
then
that
fifth
story
sets
back
on
charlotte's
treat
too
so
to
try
to
be
sensitive
to
so
it's
four
stories
at
the
face,
but
that
this
really
steps.
B
B
It's
always
consideration
on
conditional
zones,
as
we've
heard
them,
as
I've
heard
them
over
the
last
nearly
six
years.
What
the
other
possible.
B
Additionally,
a
lot
of
the
comments
that
have
been
made
by
both
the
preservation
society,
as
well
as
neighbors
in
the
community
that
are
opposed
to
the
project,
have
alluded
to
their
desires
for
what
they
want
to
do
with
the
property
and.
B
B
So
I
think
we
need
to
be
cognizant
of
the
fact
that
our
vote
is
not
preserving
those
residences
and
our
vote
is
not
eliminating
the
development
of
the
property.
B
I
I
would
like
to
see
more
affordability.
I
hear
a
an
effort
on
the
part
of
the
applicant
to
achieve
more
than
they've
committed
to
tonight,
and
they
have
some
time
between
now
and
council
when
they
could
potentially
add
to
that.
L
L
F
B
B
I
I
would
like
to
say
I
I,
like
the
the
setup
and
the
way
it's
made,
and
mr
stevens
comments
around
on
trying
to
get
to
that
affordability.
Point
I'm
from
asheville-
and
I
know
the
word
affordability
is
is,
you
could
say,
is
a
word
that
can
be
reached
and
some
cannot
be
reached
based
off
of
what
we're
going
on.
I
What's
going
on
right
now
in
in
asheville,
so
I
do
like
the
project
not
too
far
as
nick
picky,
on
on
the
height
of
the
of
the
of
the
buildings,
but
also
possibly
the
renovation.
I
guess
trying
to
help
out
the
ashford
arms
connected
to
the
project
is
also.
I
do
do
like
and
agree
with
that.
I
I
know
it's
something
to
to
discuss
and
hopefully
they
can
get
to
that
possible
affordability
piece,
but
it's
it's.
I
still
think
that
it's
a
good
project
in
my
my
my
sense
and
but
it's
still
still
up
in
air,
and
I
guess
mr
stevens
will
take
care
of
it
as
far
as
how
can
we
get
this
off
off
the
ground
and
possibly,
affordability.
I
But
thanks
for
everyone,
I
mean
biggest
thing
everyone's
comments,
and
you
know
I
think
that
that's
a
good
project
for
charlotte.
M
B
H
I
moved
to
deny
the
conditional
zoning
request
for
the
17
properties
identified
in
exhibit
a
map
from
community
business,
1,
cb1,
residential
multi-family,
medium
density,
rm8
and
residential
multifamily,
high
density
rm16
to
mixed
use,
expansion,
conditional
zone
m
x,
d,
e
x,
p,
c
z
and
the
associated
changes
to
the
future
land
use
map
map
for
several
parcels
from
traditional
neighborhood
to
traditional
corridor
and
find
that
the
request
is
not
reasonable,
not
in
the
public
interest
and
not
consistent
with
the
city's
comprehensive
plan
or
other
adopted
plans.
In
that
request.
H
H
H
D
E
L
B
M
A
C
F
But
you
will
need
to
revise
the
the
reasons
to
approve
so
right.
You
know
so
a
suggested
motion.
So
if
you
have
some
reasons
that
you
could,
if
you're
moving
to
approve
and
then
you
would
just
repeat,
I
think
you
have
a
sample
motion.
B
The
motion
would
be,
I
moved
to
approve
the
conditional
zoning
request
for
the
17
properties
identified
in
the
exhibit
a
map
from
community
business,
one
residential
multi-family,
medium
density,
rm8
and
residential
multi-family,
high
density
rm16
to
mixed-use
expansion,
conditional
zone
mxd
expcz
and
the
associated
changes
to
the
future
land
use
map
for
the
seven
parcels
from
traditional
neighborhood
to
traditional
quarter
and
find
that
the
request
is
reasonable
is
in
the
public.
Interest
is
consistent
with
the
city's
comprehensive
plan
and
other
adopted
plans
and
that
the
request
results
in
impacts.
B
E
E
E
B
F
B
H
H
D
E
E
M
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Thank
you,
members
of
the
commission.
This
has
been
very
helpful
discussion.
I
really
appreciate
it.
B
We
get
comments
while
we're
having
this
meeting
and
the
folks
who
are
submitting
comments
about
the
applicant's
ability
to
explain
the
project
to
us
during
this
final
deliberation
need
to
understand
the
process,
and
I
brought
this
up
last
week.
Excuse
me
last
month:
it
is
the
applicant's
right
to
explain
their
development
to
us
their
case
to
us
when
we
have
questions
for
them
and
I'm
sorry,
but
public
comment
is
closed.
B
B
B
B
There
are
about
another
dozen
or
so
pin
numbers
there.
The
owner
is
deerfield
episcopal
retirement
community
inc
and
the
contact
is
john
harrell.
The
planner
coordinating
review
is
ms
tuck.
C
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
If
you
all
just
give
me
just
a
moment,
I'm
going
to
share
my
screen
and
run
through
some
of
the
project
exhibits
for
your
reference
and
just
to
remind
everybody
that
when
I
share
my
screen
and
I
try
to
make
and
maintain
sort
of
visual
contact
with
you
all,
I
can't
see
your
faces.
So
if
you
need
me
to
pause
and
explain
anything,
please
if
you
could
just
speak
up
and
just
ask
me
to
pause,
and
I
will
stop
what
I'm
doing.
I
C
Great,
thank
you
so,
as
mr
hauser
introduced,
this
is
a
conditional
zoning
request
for
the
property
located
at
1617
hendersonville
road
for
those
of
us
who
are
more
familiar
with
south
asheville.
You
may
better
recognize
this
as
the
deerfield
retirement
community.
This
is
a
very
large
community.
The
entire
campus
is
approximately
125
acres.
C
The
portion
of
the
project,
or
rather
this
is
conditional
zoning
for
an
expansion
of
the
retirement
community
and
that
expansion
is
going
to
be
primarily
focused
in
this
sort
of
southern
half.
This
little
kind
of
toe
that
sticks
out
of
the
the
property
kind
of
to
the
south.
Here,
the
access
into
the
property
will
remain
unchanged
with
access
points
from
hendersonville
road
valley
springs,
road
and
racket,
club
road
and,
as
you
can
see
from
the
exhibit
a
map,
the
property
is
currently
zoned.
C
C
You
can
almost
think
of
them,
as
condominium
units
of
that
are
basically
represent
the
footprint
of
some
single-family
detached
homes
that,
for
some
reason,
have
individual
parcel
numbers.
So
that's
why
mr
houser
had
to
mention
all
of
those
different
addresses,
so
you
have
1617
hendersonville
road,
which
is
the
bulk
of
the
property,
and
then
these
additional,
I
think,
20
some
parcels
that
are
kind
of
located
there
in
the
middle.
It
is
all
one
community
and
it
is
all
owned
by
the
same
entity
just
for
clarification.
C
C
You
can
see
from
the
attached
exhibit
b
map
the
extent
of
the
existing
community,
and
you
can
see
the
the
undeveloped
portion
of
the
property
sort
of
down
here
on
the
southern
tip.
The
project
area
for
this
expansion
plan
includes
you,
know,
sort
of
this
sort
of
upper
portion
of
this
kind
of
southern
tip
and,
and
it
kind
of
extends
down
into
this
undeveloped
portion
of
the
property.
C
I'm
going
to
begin
by
sort
of
focusing
on
the
inset
context
map.
So,
if
you
remember
the
aerial
map
that
we
just
looked
at,
you
have
the
sort
of
developed
portion
of
the
property
up
top
you've
got
the
upper
portion
of
the
lower
half.
That
is
also
developed,
and
this
is
the
project
area.
It's
this,
this
sort
of
center
piece
here,
as
well
as
the
addition
of
this
undeveloped
portion
on
the
very
southern
end.
C
C
You
can
see
the
existing
assisted
living
building
here
in
the
turquoise
which,
on
the
larger
master
plan,
is
represented
here
in
gray,
so
the
first
building
expansion
is
this
edition
item
a
which
is
the
skilled
nursing
expansion
that
will
be
built
off
of
the
assisted
living
wing
moving
south.
You
have
an
expansion
of
the
existing
community
center
and
then
across
the
way
you
have
the
new
two-level
parking
deck.
C
C
Continuing
down
you
have
a
building
d,
which
is
the
new
independent
living
building,
which
is
a
five-story
building
with
90
new
units
that
will
be
added
to
the
community.
C
C
Then
you
have
the
smaller
multi-family
as
you
transition
out
of
the
center
of
the
campus,
the
most
insulated
part
of
the
campus.
It
transitions
closer
to
some
surrounding
single
family.
So
then
you
kind
of
move
into
the
smaller
multi-family
units.
These
are
represented
as
building
f
here,
which
they
describe
as
hybrid
homes.
It's
a
three
level
structure
with
12
units
total
and
12
under
the
building
parking
spaces.
C
The
the
dark
pink
represents
level
phase,
one
of
this
building
expansion
or
this
community
expansion
plan.
The
lighter
pink
is
phase
two,
so
the
most
significant
or
why
I
shouldn't
say
most
significant,
but
the
the
largest
single
building
edition
in
phase
two
is
is
g,
the
future
assisted
living
expansion,
which
is
three
levels
with
51
units,
and
then
you
have
a
number
of
these
additional
hybrid
homes,
again
concentrated
on
the
southern
end
of
the
property,
also
included
in
phase
2
is
a
small
grounds
or
facilities
maintenance
building
located
here
at
the
very
tip.
C
C
C
This
project
does
comply
with
all
the
technical
standards,
with
the
one
exception
of
the
sidewalks.
The
commercial
expansion
district
requires
10-foot
sidewalks
throughout,
but
this
is
really
contemplating
like
sort
of
more
of
a
urban
village
or
you
know,
dense
mixed-use
project.
So
for
it's
we're
increasingly
recognizing
that
we
have
a
number
of
projects
where
this
doesn't
really
fit.
The
mold
and
we
think
a
hierarchy
of
of
walkways
makes
more
sense
in
very
large
communities
like
this.
C
C
I
will
just
kind
of
quickly
just
sort
of
scroll
through
some
of
the
building
elevations.
As
I
mentioned,
this
project
does
comply
with
all
height
and
other
density
requirements
for
the
district.
C
C
So
in
summary,
in
addition
to
meeting
all
the
technical
standards,
we
do
feel
that
the
project
also
is
aligned
with
a
number
of
the
key
goals
identified
in
the
living
asheville
comprehensive
plan,
including
providing
infill
development
in
strategically
located
areas,
expanding
the
opportunity
for
walkability
and
outdoor
access
for
the
residents
and
providing
green
stormwater
infrastructure
that
can
also
improve
community
resiliency
and
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
or
the
commission.
May
wish
to
hear
from
from
the
applicant
before
getting
into
any
more
detail.
D
I've
got
one,
I
don't
know
that
shannon's
gonna
know
the
answer,
but
I
don't
and
the
applicant
may
too.
I
noticed
on
the
conditions
on
item
number
10
it
mentions,
and
and
this
isn't
this
is
a
question
because
everybody
brings
up
traffic.
D
It
notes
that
the
traffic
impact
study
is
not
required
and
I'm
guessing
that
that
has
more
to
do
with
the
type
of
facility,
because
this
is
an
assisted
living
facility.
Even
though
it's
dense
the
there
are,
let's
just
face
it,
the
residents
aren't
going
to
be
driving.
So
even
though
we've
got
a
ton
of
units
and
a
lot
of
people
you're
not
going
to
have
the
traffic
that
you
would.
If
this
was
a
you
know
normal
or
you
know,
just
kind
of
a
normal
single
family.
N
Mr
archibald,
my
name
is
bob
ost,
I'm
I'm
with
the
law
firm
of
mcguire
wood
invested,
I'm
here
for
deerfield
episcopal
retirement,
community
jeff
moore
is
our
traffic
engineer
and
he
can
respond
to
that
question
in
more
detail.
But
I
think
that
you're,
I
think,
you're
correct
that
that
the
number
of
vehicle
chips
per
day,
which
is
not
high
enough
to
require
a
traffic
study
or
traffic
impact
analysis,
is
a
function
of
the
kind
of
use
that
this
is.
D
E
Maybe
I
can
maybe
I
can
respond
to
that,
because
I
actually
worked
at
the
council
on
aging,
which
is
located
in
deerfield
when
I
moved
to
town.
So
I
worked
there
for
six
months
and
there
is
quite
a
bit
of
traffic
in
there.
I
would
say
it's
the
normal
amount
of
traffic
that
you
see
anywhere
in
asheville,
doesn't
matter
what
kind
of
assisted
living
facility
or
anything
you
know.
E
I
was
called
more
of
a
retirement
community
plenty
of
people
going
in
and
out
of
there
and
the
walmart
in
south
asheville
was
right
across
the
street,
and
so
that
light
they
share
that
light
and
it's
plenty
busy
and
there's
plenty
of
people
walking
trying
to
use
that
intersection.
So,
as
always,
I
would
say
that
a
traffic
study
is
due
for
that
area
right
there
and
it's
right
near
the
parkway.
C
N
Applicant,
thank
you.
I
can.
We
were
not
planning
to
have
mr
moore
speak,
but
he
certainly
can
we
knew
that
traffic
would
be
an
issue
and
that's
why
he's
here
so
since
that
question
has
come
up,
let's
go
ahead
and
let
mr
moore
respond
to
it
and
and
and
then,
if,
if
anything
else
comes
off
about
that,
then
then
we
then
we
can
respond
in
kind.
N
I
I
do
want
to
say,
though,
that
in
in
my
research
getting
getting
prepared
for
this,
I
believe
that
the
hendersonville
road
corridor
is
right
now,
the
subject
of
a
quarter
study
by
dot.
Mr
moore
may
have
more
information
on
that,
but
it's
it's
so
that
that
was
one
thing
that
I
noticed,
but
I'm
not
the
expert.
He
is
let
him
talk
about
about
the
chat.
O
Well,
good
evening,
mr
chairman,
members
of
the
board,
it's
a
pleasure
to
be
here.
I
did
in
fact
conduct.
O
Based
on
the
number,
the
the
uses
and
the
densities
that
are
proposed
here,
the
results
give
me
an
idea
of
what
the
peak
hour
traffic
is
going
to
be
for,
for
the
city
of
asheville,
the
threshold
for
a
trip
for
a
traffic
impact
analysis
is
100
trips.
In
a
peak
hour,
the
and
mr
archball
you're
exactly
right.
It
is
the
types
of
uses
that
are
proposed
that
do
drive
the
number
that
we
get
through
the
the
generation
exercise
for
the
am
peak
hour,
which
occurs
sometime
between
seven
and
nine.
O
Am
the
exercise
gives
67
trips
and
those
are
broken
up.
You
know
versus
you
know,
29
trips
entering
38
trips
exiting
the
pm
peak
hour,
which
is
between
4
and
6
p.m.
The
number
of
trips
would
be
95
and
that's
broken
up
between
48
entering
and
47
exiting
the
senior
adult
attached
housing.
That's
what
we
would
call
the
independent
living
the
234
units
in
in
the
pm
peak
hours.
The
driving
factor
here
would
be
expected
to
generate
58
trips,
the
assisted
living.
O
O
I've
been
in
conversation
with
the
transportation
department
and
confirm
that
it
does
not
trip
the
threshold
for
a
full
traffic
impact
analysis
with
the
dot.
Their
threshold
is
3
000
trips
per
day,
and
we
we're
about
a
third
of
that
at
1190
and
again,
the
the
type
uses
involved
here
determine
how
those
trips
are
spread
out
during
a
day,
so
neither
the
dot
nor
the
the
city
transportation
department
required
a
trip.
Traffic
impact
analysis
for
this.
E
I
haven't
have
a
question:
it's
not
related
to
the
traffic
though,
but
when
shannon
brought
up
the
picture,
it
still
looks
like
there's
a
lot
of
trees
left.
So
I'm
just
wondering
what
is
the
potential
for
more
roads
there
in
the.
E
N
I
don't
know
that
we're
in
a
position
to
answer
that
it's
this,
the
build
out
of
this
project
extends
several
years
into
the
future,
and
I
just
and
and
and
and
and
and
there's
just
as
far
as
I
know,
there
are
no
plans
for
any
more
expansions.
The
the
the
the
city
does
have
a
tree,
canopy
preservation,
ordinance,
which
came
into
being
while
we
were
planning
for
this
project
and
and
we
either
meet
or
exceed
that
ordinance.
C
Miss
bubenick
I'd
also
add
that
that
this
is
a
conditional
zoning,
so
whatever
gets
approved
that
it'll
be
tied
to
this
master
plan
that
has
been
submitted
with
this
application.
So
if
there
were
plans
for
any
kind
of
significant
or
even
moderate
or
minor
additions
or
expansions
in
the
future,
it
would
require
an
amendment
to
this
plan
and
that
will
have
to
be
reviewed
and
approved
by
this
commission
and
the
city
council.
N
Both
well,
if,
unless
there
are
any
further
questions
from
the
commission,
I've
got
a
short
introduction
and
and
then
we'll
we'll
be
able
to
go
through
the
site
plan
a
little
bit
more
detail
than
ms
tuck
did.
So,
if,
if
that's
okay
with
the
commission
I'll
go
ahead,.
N
N
First
of
all,
I'd
like
to
say
thanks
to
shannon
for
the
staff
report
and
presentation
and
for
guiding
us
through
this
process
on
on
a
major
project
like
this.
Also
here
today
is
on.
The
video
call
is
john
harrell
of
thw
design
in
atlanta.
He's
the
lead
architect
and
he'll
be
doing
most
of
the
talking.
N
Also
here,
but
not
expected
to
talk,
are
keith
einsman,
who
was
the
director
of
facilities
at
deerfield
and
and
kelsey
strobridge
of
kimberly
horn
who's?
Who
can
talk
about
the
civil
engineering
aspects
of
this,
and
I
was
gonna
say
that
jeff
moore
is
here,
but
not
I'm
not
not
expected
to
talk,
but
we've
already
already
changed
that
the.
N
But
before
I
turn
over
to
john,
I
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
deerfield
as
as
it's
it's
a
501c3
organization,
and
it
historically
has
done
a
lot
of
good
in
the
community.
We
can
go
into
detail
on
that.
N
If
you
want
to,
but
it's
it's,
I
can
summarize
that
by
saying
it's
been
a
valuable
member
of
the
asheville
and
buncombe
county
community,
since
first
locating
here
in
1955.,
it's
campus
is
just
south
of
blue
ridge
parkway
and
it's
familiar
to
many
people,
although
you
all
too,
especially
if
you
live
in
or
drive
through
south
asheville,
it's
it
is
pretty
much
self-contained
which
may
explain
some
of
the
traffic
numbers.
N
It's
pretty
much
self-contained
and
most
most,
if
not
all
the
services
that
that
the
people
the
residents
need,
are
located
on
campus
and
they
don't
have
to
leave
the
they
don't
have
to
leave
the
campus
very
much
and
that
sense
is
like
a
college
campus.
N
Since,
since
its
beginning
in
1955,
deerfield
had
been
through
several
expansions.
The
most
recent
one
was
in
2008
when
they
undertook
a
major
expansion
using
the
old
conditional
use
zoning
process,
which
required
both
the
rezoning
and
the
conditioning
permit
for
the
site
plan
and
that's
what
still
applies
right
now.
But
as
you'll
see,
this
proposed
expansion
is
spread
across
the
entire
125
acre
campus.
It's
not
just
in
one
place
and
it's
a
level
three
project
because
of
its
size,
and
it's
going
to
occur
over
the
course
of
several
years.
N
So
for
these
reasons
it
made
sense
to
put
the
entire
campus
under
one
conditional
zoning
designation
commercial
expansion
and
incorporate
the
incorporate
the
2008
condition
use
permit
as
much
as
possible.
So
with
that
brief
background,
unless
there
are
any
questions,
I'll
turn
it
over
to
mr
harrell
and
he'll
go
through
the
site
plan,
we'll
try
to
be
short,
but
we'll
go
into
as
much
detail
as
the
commission
needs
and
I'll
have
a
few
brief
remarks.
After
after
after
after
mr
harrell
is
done
and
we'll
be
we'll
be
glad
to
answer
any
questions.
P
P
C
And
while
mr
harrell
is
bringing
up
that
presentation,
I'll
just
remind
the
commission
and
anybody
watching
that
a
copy
of
this
presentation
is
included
in
the
meeting
materials.
So
if
anybody
would
like
to
look
at
them
there,
okay.
H
C
P
You
go
okay,
good
all
right!
Thank
you!
So
actually,
ms
tuck
has
done
a
great
job
kind
of
introducing
the
project
and
explaining
the
parts
and
pieces,
and
so
I'll
probably
be
able
to
go
through
this
pretty
quickly
and
just
try
to
add
a
little
more
detail
on
top
of
what
she
has
already
shared.
P
Again,
at
the
current
campus
yeah,
it's
it's
bound
by
hendersonville
hendersonville
road
on
the
east
valley
springs
road
on
the
north
accessed
by
racket,
club
drive
on
the
kind
of
southeast,
and
then
the
southern
part
of
the
site
has
actually
says
iraqi
club
road.
P
That's
the
ramble
is
the
correct
name
of
that
road,
and
currently
the
original
retirement
community
was
located
in
this
area
here
and
since
then,
it's
expanded
and
the
main
campus
is
over
this
location,
with
the
the
the
skilled,
nursing
and
assisted
living
at
the
north
end
of
the
site
existing
community
center
in
the
center,
and
then
the
independent
living
buildings
at
efng,
and
then
there
are
cottages
spread
throughout
the
campus
and
then
yeah
to
the
south
of
salisbury
drive
is
where
much
of
the
new
expansion
work
is
planned.
P
A
quick
little
aerial
view
again.
The
campus
is,
it
has
a
very
strong
character
to
his
design
is
very
consistent.
It's
very
heavily
one
landscaped
is
both
very
pedestrian
friendly
again,
there's
walks.
You
can
go
everywhere,
you
need
to.
At
the
same
time,
there
are
connectors
between
the
buildings
so
that
in
inclement,
weather
and
cold
weather
people
can
go
from
building
the
building
inside
again,
this
is
the
healthcare
area,
the
north
end
of
the
site,
with
the
skilled
nursing
at
the
top
assisted
living
in
the
middle.
P
This
is
the
existing
community
center
and
then
the
three
large
independent
living
buildings,
and
then
we've
talked
about
the
grounds
maintenance
building
and
it's
over
here
to
the
left.
P
You
know
again
not
to
rehash,
what's
been
said
previously,
but
the
plan
is
to
kind
of
complete
this
circle.
This
area,
right
here
in
the
middle
of
the
buildings,
is
a
important
existing
condition
for
the
the
residents
of
deerfield.
They
call
it
the
circle,
woods
and
it's
very
important
place
for
them.
P
P
Again,
there
are
connectors
between
all
of
them.
The
skilled
nursing
building
up
at
the
top
corner
is
really
almost
an
identical
duplicate
of
the
existing
wing
adjacent
to
it
in
size
and
character
and
layout,
and
then
the
parking
deck
and
the
new
blue
ridge
room,
multi,
purpose
expansion
at
the
community
center
and,
of
course,
the
other
site
amenities.
P
Again,
the
the
skilled,
nursing,
the
blue
ridge
room
and
the
parking
deck
so
very
briefly,
the
skilled
nursing.
Again,
it's
a
two-story
building,
the
detailing
the
size,
the
massing.
All
of
it
is
just
about
a
duplicate
of
the
existing
building.
That's
there
now
the
community
center,
where
we're
doing
the
blue
ridge
room,
the
new
blue
ridge
room,
is
actually
in
this
space
right
here.
P
P
You
know
not
to
look
like
a
big
new
multi-purpose
room,
just
kind
of
stuck
on
the
side
of
the
building,
and
then
the
parking
deck
is
going
to
be
nestled
into
the
grade
into
the
landscape,
so
that
only
you
only
see
the
two
stories
on
this
front
end
where
you
come
in
and
out
of
the
lower
level
grading
on
the
other
sides
are
going
to
be
raised,
so
the
impact
from
visual
impact
to
the
parking
deck
is
going
to
be
minimized.
P
So
again,
the
southern
part
of
the
site-
we've
got
the
three
large
I
o
buildings
and
that's
the
existing
maintenance
building.
P
So
the
initial
phase
of
work
again,
as
described
previously,
the
the
il
the
community
center
al
and
two
of
the
hybrids
and,
of
course,
the
all
the
site
amenities
we
would
be
in
the
first
phase-
saving
trees
in
this
area
right
here
and,
of
course
outside
of
the
new
loop
road.
So
that's
another
major
piece
of
the
work.
P
The
existing
road
runs
across
here,
the
existing
salisbury
road.
So
we
will
be
rerouting
it
around
the
site.
Actually
following
the
ridge
around
the
site,.
P
To
then
set
up
for
the
future
development
of
additional
hybrid
homes
quickly,
the
large
independent
living
building
is
very
much
in
keeping
with
the
existing
large
independent
living
buildings.
There
really
the
same
detailing
same
materials.
You
know
a
few
variations,
but
for
the
most
part
it's
it's
gonna.
Look
like
it's
part
of
those
original
buildings.
P
P
Again,
this
lower
level
is
actually
parking,
and
then
we
have
three
levels
of
units
above
a
total
of
12,
independent
living
units
and
so
the
front
where
you
come.
They
share
a
driveway
they're
next
to
each
other.
They
come
in
pairs,
so
you
enter
the
building
on
the
side
for
parking,
but
the
back
side
is
only
three
stories
and
it
opens
up
onto
the
amenities
and
the
design
is
such
that
every
unit
has
a
view
back
toward
the
amenities,
the
lake
community
and
again,
the
community
center
assisted
living.
P
P
P
B
N
D
Me
I
had
a
couple
for
the
applicant.
I
was
curious.
I
noticed
that
you
know
you
were
doing
some
work
with
the
storm
water.
D
D
Or
sustainability
measures
you
might
be
taking,
I
mean
it
seems
you
know,
actually
it's
kind
of
nice
that
you
left
that
one
photo
up
there,
that
aerial
photo
that's
a
lot
of
roof
surface
that
could
have
some
nice
solar
on
it.
That
seems,
like
you
know,
deerfield
itself
would
be
interested
in.
So
I'm
just
kind
of
curious
if
there
were
any
any
plans
or
any
thoughts
given
for
that,
and
also
I,
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
there
is
a
shuttle
bus
that
deerfield
runs
that
goes
down
to
the
public
bus.
D
P
Yes,
as
far
as
sustainability
goes,
there
has
been
quite
a
bit
of
discussion
about
options
that
we're
looking
at
and
we
haven't
really
settled
on
anything.
Yet
we
are
looking
at
potentially
doing.
P
Geohydro,
that's
right!
I'm
sorry!
I
apologize
we're
going
to
run
some
test
wells
on
the
site
to
see
if
there's
a
potential
to
do
a
small
amount
of
geohydro
kind
of
as
a
test
case
for
future
development
and
we're
in
the
process
of
pulling
together
proposals
to
get
that
done.
P
There
has
been
discussions
about
solar.
The
challenge
with
solar
is,
as
you
mentioned,
the
among
other
things,
the
the
amount
of
space
it
takes
for
the
solar
panels
to
be
able
to
generate
what
we
need
for
buildings
of
this
size.
P
As
far
as
the
shuttle
bus,
I'm
I'd
have
to
ask
bob
if
he,
if
he
can
answer
that,
if
he
knows
about
that.
N
I'd
be
glad
to
try
with
some
of
that
and
and
keith
einstein
is
here
from
deerfield
who
could
probably
give
a
better
response
than
I
can,
but
the
you're
right
there
is
a
shuttle,
bus
and
and
and
it
circulates
through
the
property,
but
it
also
provides
shuttle
service
to
to
downtown
and
and
into
the
hospital
area.
For
those
folks
who
need
it.
N
Mr
elizabeth
may
be
able
to
respond
more
to
that,
and
I'm
also
aware
that
deerfield
has
undertaken
and
continued
to
undertake
some
energy
saving
measures
in
all
of
its
in
its
existing
buildings,
and
so
those
would
be
carried
over
into
the
new
structures
as
well
and-
and
I
don't
mean
to
put
mr
einstein
on
the
spot-
but
if,
if,
if
you
all
need
more
information
on
that,
he's,
probably
the
right
the
best
person
to
ask
on
that.
Q
So
that
so
this
is
keith
einstein
thanks
for
the
time
from
everybody,
a
couple
things
we
do
provide
for
our
residents.
We
do
local
transportation
to
like
the
walmart
doctors,
physicians,
pharmacies
etc,
and
some
of
our
employees
do
use
access
to
that
bus.
Q
Stop
that's
right
off
our
off
our
location
right
there
at
the
entrance
and
as
far
as
environmental
we've
taken
a
tremendous
amount
of
steps
lately
with
led
replacements
on
lights,
we're
researching
some
electrical
battery
stations,
which
will
be
probably
installed
in
the
october
month
of
this
year
for
electrical
vehicles,
we've
added
a
bunch
of
motion,
sensors
and
stairwells,
so
we've
spent
close
to
about
two
million
dollars
within
the
last
five
years
on
energy
conservation
and
saved
hundreds
of
thousands
of
kilowatt
hours
during
this
time.
Q
So
we're
going
to
continue
those
efforts
in
these
new
buildings
and
as
john
was
saying,
we
are
researching
geothermal
in
one
of
the
hydro
buildings.
We
just
don't
have
enough
data
yet
on
the
actual
boring
holes.
We
are
looking
at
that
through
through
our
engineer,
but
again
tremendous
amount
of
energy
savings.
We've
projects
we've
undertaken
in
the
last
three
years
for
sure.
Q
B
D
H
You
I'd
like
to
make
a
comment,
mr
chair.
B
H
I
just
wanted
to
I
I
I'm
very
glad
to
see
this
really
nice
naturalistic
design
that
you've
you've
incorporated.
I'm
really
glad
to
see
all
the
walking
amenities
the
tree.
H
Save
areas
are
are,
are
sufficient
and
not
just
sufficient,
but
it's
really
nice
to
see
that
that
you've
preserved
that
much
of
the
existing
tree
canopy,
and
I
I
I
hope
that
doesn't
get
developed
future,
but
it's
very
nicely
done
in
a
park-like
setting,
and
I
I
really
react
very
well
to
that
that
this
kind
of
design
and
thank
you
for
for
submitting
that
to.
B
If
not,
and
if
that
is
all
the
applicant
has
we
can
open
oh
go
ahead.
N
Let
me
just
conclude
by
saying
that,
as
as
a
hope
has
been
evident
from
this
presentation,
the
design
team
has
worked
hard
and
the
plan
needs
to
receive
the
all
the
requirements
of
the
ordinances
landscaping,
treat
tree,
canopy,
preservation
and
and
and
it
also
meets
or
exceeds
the
requirements
of
the
commercial
expansion
zoning
that
we
see.
N
It's
also
consistent
in
in
several
respects,
with
the
2018
living
asheville
comprehensive
plan,
as
noted
by
shannon
tuck
and
and
we're
especially
pleased
the
landscaping
and
tree
preservation
efforts
have
a
potential
they
have,
unless
you
all
have
any
questions.
That
concludes
our
presentation
and
we're
available
for
questions
after
the
public
hearing
too.
H
Not
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion,
please
I
moved
to
recess
the
public
hearing
for
the
conditional
zoning
request
for
the
property
located
at
1617
hendersonville
road.
Second,.
B
K
C
I
I
I
commissioner.
H
E
B
L
N
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
member
of
the
commission,
and
just
to
clarify
that
that
was
to
recess
to
your
july
meeting.
I
think
I
think
that's
july
7th.
D
Thank
you,
mr
host,
and
mr
moore
and
mr
harrell.
B
Our
next
item
is
a
request
to
conditionally
rezone
the
property
located
at
66
long
shoals,
road
from
institutional
to
residential
expansion,
conditional
zone
properties
identified
as
pin
964479782
and
the
buncombe
county
tax
record.
The
property
owner
is
the
virginia
sowallis,
schmidt
trust
and
the
contact
is
warren.
Sugg,
the
planner
coordinating
reviews,
ms
tuck.
B
C
Your
meeting
there
you
go.
Thank
you,
mr
chair
again,
give
me
just
a
moment,
and
I
will
share
my
screen.
C
So,
as
mr
hauser
has
indicated
or
introduced,
this
is
a
conditional
zoning
application
for
the
property
located
at
66
longshoals
road.
The
property
is
located,
as
you
can
see,
from
the
exhibit
a
map
directly
off
of
long
shoals
road
in
the
south
asheville
area.
For
some
context,
tc
roberson
high
school,
is
to
the
north,
and
the
lake
julian
park
is
to
the
south.
C
Today
the
property
is
zoned
institutional,
as
is
the
surrounding
properties,
including
the
high
school,
and,
of
course,
this
is
a
request
to
rezone
that
property
from
institutional
to
residential
expansion.
Again,
this
is
a
request
to
rezone
to
an
expansion
district
due
to
the
size
and
number
of
units
of
the
overall
project.
C
You
can
see
here
from
the
exhibit
b
map
that
the
property
is
developed.
It
is
developed
in
a
very
low
density
or
low
intensity
manner.
However,
I
believe
that's
just
a
single-family
home
that
would
be
demolished
to
make
room
for
the
new
construction,
and
I
just
want
to
point
out
the
proximity
of
the
high
school
to
the
north
and
some
of
the
surrounding
uses.
C
This
has
this
property
has
subsequently
been
redeveloped,
since
this
aerial
imagery
was
shot,
and
this
is
now
a
small
commercial
office
and
service
building,
and
this
is
also
the
gross
funeral
home
to
the
west.
C
Oh
and
let
me
we
did
receive
a
revised
site
plan
that
I'd
like
to
share
there.
We
go
that
is
the
updated
site
plan
for
the
commission's
reference.
As
you
can
see,
we
have
two
buildings.
This
is
a
multi-family
residential
project,
hence
the
request
to
be
zoned
a
residential
expansion.
C
The
total
acreage
is
2.85
acres
and
we
have
two
buildings.
So
all
of
those
units,
the
87
units
that
are
proposed,
are
split
between
these
two
buildings,
as
you
can
see
from
the
site
plan,
building
a
fronts
directly
on
long
shoals,
road
building
b
is
sort
of
tucked
here
in
the
back,
and
you
have
the
shared
surface
parking
lot
in
between
the
two
structures.
C
The
proposed
off-street
parking
is
is,
is
is
a
kind
of
innovative.
It
is
a
combination
of
surface
lots.
It
has
also
some
covered
garage
spaces,
as
well
as
some
tandem
spaces
tandem
spaces,
typically
work
best
in
households.
So
for
a
residential
project
we
think
it's
it's
appropriate
in
total.
The
project
includes
87
units,
as
I
mentioned,
something
that
is
a
little
bit
exciting
about
this
project
is
that
this
is
the
first
project
that
I
reviewed.
C
That
is
taking
advantage
of
an
increase
in
a
density
bonus
that
is
a
buy
right
option
in
the
residential
expansion
district,
increasing
the
units
from
20
units,
an
acre
or
the
density
allowance
from
20
units,
an
acre
up
to
a
maximum
of
50
units,
an
acre
if
20
percent
of
the
units
are
designated
affordable
to
households,
earning
80
percent
of
ami
or
below
and
for
a
minimum
period
of
20
years.
So,
with
this
project,
we
do
have
20
percent
of
the
units.
C
This
is
reflected
in
an
updated
list
of
b1
conditions,
which
I
don't
believe
made
it
into
your
into
your
meeting
materials,
because
this
was
submitted
after
the
meeting
materials
were
posted,
but
I
can
be
sure
to
make
that
available
for
anybody
who's
interested
similar
to
the
last
project.
This
project
also
proposes
a
mix
of
walking
paths
ranging
in
widths
from
five
to
eight
feet,
also
just
kind
of
a
nice
feature.
This
application
includes
a
connection
to
the
side,
to
excuse
me
to
the
adjacent
high
schools.
C
So
the
comprehensive
call
plan
calls
out
for
a
desire
to
have
more
walkable
routes
to
schools,
and
so
this
is
one
way
that
this
project
in
particular
supports
the
comprehensive
plan
and
again
similar
to
the
previous
project.
This
project,
besides
the
sidewalks,
does
support
or
does
meet
all
technical
compliance
with
the
udo
and
supports
the
libby
nashville
comprehensive
plan.
I
mentioned
already
the
sidewalk
connection
to
the
school.
C
It
also
provides
infill
development
in
a
strategically
located
area.
Long
shoals
road
is
is
targeted
for
future
development
in
the
plan
and
then
and
more
specifically,
it
provides
housing
units
in
a
strategically
located
area
that
has
proximity
to
transit.
There
is
transit
line
on
long
shoals,
road
also
to
schools,
as
illustrated
with
that
connection
to
the
high
school
and
to
parks.
You've
got
the
lake
julian
park
just
across
the
street,
and
that
concludes
my
introduction.
C
C
So
the
building
fronting
on
long
shoals
is
the
3
4
split
and
the
building
at
the
rear
adjacent
to
the
high
school
is
the
4
5
split?
So
you
can
see
again.
I
won't
go
through
each
individual
elevation,
but
you
can
kind
of
see
the
elevations
and
get
a
sense
of
the
character
and
the
materials
that
are
being
proposed
and
I'll
pause
here
and
answer
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
or
the
commission
may
wish
to
hear
from
the
applicant.
K
Sure
derrick
allen-
I
represent
the
applicant
in
this
matter,
and
we've
got
our
folks
also
on
the
line
you
you'll
hear
from
warren
sugg
from
several
design
concepts,
and
I
do
have
adrian
dana
miller
from
millstone
management,
which
is
the
developer,
who
has
this
property
under
contract
with
the
property
owner?
K
I
think
this
is,
if
there's
ever
a
timely
project
in
our
area.
I
think
we
have
it
right
here.
It's
one
that
we've
been
working
on
for
more
than
half
a
year,
we've
worked
with
staff,
obviously
and
worked
with
the
development
team
to
come
up
with
something
that
we
think
fits
and
fits
that
area,
as
well
as
the
comprehensive
plan
policies
and
meets
some
of
our
affordable
housing
needs
in
working
with
staff.
K
I'm
not
aware
of
anything
that
was
suggested
by
staff
that
we
didn't
incorporate
in
as
a
condition,
and
certainly
the
affordable
housing
commitment
here
with
20
of
affordable
housing
units
and
committing
to
those
at
80.
Ami
for
a
20-year
period
is
a
pretty
remarkable
commitment
on
behalf
of
this
development
team
and
something
that
we're
certainly
certainly
proud
of
with
that
is
for
hud
voucher
units,
and
you
know
again
these.
This
is
something
that's
very
timely
and
needed
in
in
our
area.
K
We
developed
this
plan
in
conjunction
with
the
city's
master
plan.
We
looked
at
targeted
growth
areas
that
were
needed:
the
proximity
to
the
high
school
public
transit
to
park,
amenities
and
again
the
affordable
housing
piece
that
fits
in
with
the
city's
master
plan.
Miss
tuck
definitely
has
the
the
new
conditions
with
updated
conditions,
so,
let's
make
sure
we
get
those
out
and
with
that
I'd
like
to
introduce
warren
to
warren
suck
from
cdc
to
go
through
the
technical
requirements.
K
I
think
the
staff
report
speaks
for
itself,
and
so
I
won't
belabor
this
point
warren
if
you'll
go
through
our
technical
requirements
for
this
and
how
we
meet
those
specs
and
walk
through
our
state
plans.
I
appreciate
it.
R
Absolutely
warren
sucks
civil
design
concepts
and
thank
you
to
the
board
and
to
staff
for
your
hearing
the
case
and
help
us
do
this
to
this
step.
So,
as
mentioned
by
by
shannon
and
introduced
by
derek,
we
are
looking
at
a
site.
That's
2.85
acres,
as
mentioned,
we
want
to
be
87
units,
which
is
above
the
20
units,
an
acre.
R
That
is
the
standard
density,
but,
as
mentioned,
we
do
have
that
20
affordable,
which
allows
us
to
go
all
the
way
up
to
50
dwelling
units,
an
acre
and
we're
roughly
at
about
31
units
and
acres,
so
we're
well
within
that
tolerance.
R
We
fully
expect
to
meet
the
setback
requirements
of
the
residential
expansion,
which
is
15,
foot,
front
side
and
rear
parking
on
this
site.
Minimum
would
be
90
spaces,
a
maximum
of
177
spaces,
and
that's
all
shown
in
your
data
block
on
your
site
plans,
which
I
think
you
probably
have
in
your
packet.
F
R
So
we're
right
in
the
sweet
spot
of
that
90
to
177-
and
you
know
one
one
thing
I
will
add
is
we
have
looked
at
the
number
of
units
and
we
have
not
counted
the
the
tandem
parking
spaces
as
part
of
that.
While
it
is
part
of
that
125,
it
is
not
part
of
the
meeting
the
minimum.
So
we
recognize
that
many
times
with
these
two
and
three
bedroom
units.
R
We
do
have
the
open
space
shown
on
this
site.
We
have
put
in
our
b1
conditions
a
little
relief
on
some
of
the
width
of
open
space,
because
this
is
a
a
pretty
tight
sight
trying
to
do
infill
and
but
we
do
meet
the
requirement
for
the
open
space.
We've
got
some
very
nice
centralized
courtyard
areas,
open
space
areas
and
those
are
going
to
be
all
usable
open
space.
R
Many
times
we
have
open
space
that
is
on
sites
that
are
just
just
not
as
usable
as
we
would
like
in
this
case,
just
about
100
percent
of
the
open
space
is
all
actually
useful.
So
I'm
very
excited
about
that.
For
this
site,
water
and
sewer
connection
on
this
side
is
is
very
easy.
We
have
sewer
that
is
literally
done
running
down
our
western
property
line,
so
we're
able
to
make
very
easy
connection
to
that.
R
We
have
water
line
along
our
frontage
of
long
shelves,
certainly
have
those
allocations
in
hand,
and
we
we
fully
expect
that
we'll
be
well
covered
on
water
and
sewer
from
a
storm
water
perspective.
We
expect
that
this
will
have
a
below
ground
storm
collection
system,
most
likely
a
storm
tech
system
which
is
readily
accessible
and
used
throughout
asheville
and
buncombe
county,
and
that
will
meet
all
of
our
stormwater
requirements
for
the
site.
R
A
couple
other
things
I'll
point
out
is
we're
well
below
the
80
maximum
impervious
we're
about
52
impervious
for
this
site.
We
do
have
all
the
needed
trees,
not
only
just
tree,
save
but
planted
trees.
R
R
That
is
along
long
shoals,
that
we
would
propose
to
keep
in
lieu
of
having
a
ten
foot
sidewalk
there
and
that
has
been
discussed
with
not
only
shannon
but
also
ken
putnam,
as
as
opposed
to
digging
all
that
up
and
and
making
more
of
a
disturbance
there.
The
other
thing
I'll
mention
is:
we
are
excited
about
the
opportunity
to
possibly
have
connection
up
to
the
school
that
is
continued
upon
the
school
warning
connection
up
to
them.
R
They
have
sometimes
in
the
past,
been
reluctant
to
have
connectivity,
but
we
are
open
to
that.
If
buncombe
county
schools
is-
and
I
believe
that
hits
all
of
the
points
we
do
have
access
along
long
shoals
and
we
have
had
some
early
discussions
with
the
ncdot
as
far
as
that
driveway
connection
point:
is
there
any
questions
of
me
from
a
civil
engineering,
technical
standpoint.
G
I
guess
this
is
more
of
a
comment
than
a
question,
but
I'll
throw
it
out
there
and
first
of
all,
thank
you
for
the
presentation
and
I'm
excited
to
see
just
the
accessibility
or
potential
access
from
this
property
to
the
school
and
location.
You
did
briefly
mention
the
storm
water
management
of
the
site.
G
I
guess
that's
my
my
concern.
Looking
at
the
property
and
its
location
near
to
lake
julian
and
just
being
a
resident
in
south
asheville,
the
storm
water
management
in
this
area
is
lackluster.
G
R
God,
thank
you
for
the
comment.
Yeah
we
current.
Currently
there
is
a
little
bit
of
a
draw,
that's
on
the
west
side
of
that
site
and
we
expect
and
just
have
plan
for
there
to
be
a
storm
tech
near
our
our
driveway
entrance.
That's
the
place
where
it
makes
the
most
logical
sense
and
that's
the
spot
where
we
can
collect
it
up,
use
gravity
to
our
advantage,
because
that's
the
lowest
elevation
point
on
the
site
and
then
collect
that
treat
it
infiltrate
it.
R
D
D
Excuse
me,
thank
you,
shannon
for
putting
up
those
b1
conditions
because
a
couple
of
questions
I
had
related
to
those
about
the
number
of
units-
and
I
thought
I
heard
mr
allen
mentioned
the
four
hud
voucher
units
question
on
that
connection,
to
the
high
school
and-
and
I
totally
understand
it-
it
obviously
requires
buncombe
county
schools
being
in
favor
of
it,
and
I
would
just
put
my
word
in
that.
I
hope
that
they
would
work
with
you
on
that,
because
that
was
one
of
my
things.
D
When
I
first
saw
this,
I
was
like
man.
They
should
make
a
connection
to
the
school.
Where
would
I'm
assuming
that
would
occur?
Okay,
I
can
see
it
right
there
on
your
site
plan,
thanks
for
popping
that
up.
That
shows
right
there.
Another
question
that
you
know
kind
of
brought
up
on
the
on
the
project
before
are
there
any
other
environmental
sustainability
types
of
things
you're?
Looking
at
with
this
project,
solar
or
lead,
or
anything
like
that,.
R
To
this
point,
no
we
haven't,
we
haven't
really
been
looking
into
any
kind
of
solar
or
wind
or
green
roofs.
Any
things
like
that.
We
feel
very
confident
in
what
we're
handling
right
now
for
storm
water,
runoff
and
infiltration,
and
then
then
too,
I
think
with
the
the
look
of
the
buildings-
and
I
think
some
of
the
maybe
the
very
last
page
of
this
set
gives
you
a
pretty
good
look
at
sort
of
the
architectural
and
the
view
of
it.
R
D
E
There
I
just
want
to
say
first,
I'm
very
excited
about
this
project
because
I
drive
by
there
all
the
time
and
it's
nice
nice
to
finally
see
something
going
in
that
lot.
So
thank
you
very
much.
I
would
like
to
know
what
the
plan
is
for
maybe
like
a
crosswalk
going
across
from
this
because
long
shoals
is
people
don't
go
45,
they
go
65
down
long
chills
road
so
like
especially
going
across
to
lake
julian
park
with
all
the
families
and
kids
that
we
are
planning
on.
E
Moving
in
here
would
be
nice
to
see
us
work
together
to
get
a
crosswalk,
and
especially
just
like
some
blinking
lights,
to
bring
people's
attention,
because
I,
my
fear,
is
that
people
are
going
to
cut
across
right
there
and
not
go
the
extra
100
200
yards
down
to
the
light
to
go
across
to
lake
julian.
R
I
understood
yeah.
We
would
need
to
discuss
that
with
ncdot,
since
that's
their
roadway
and
it
being
a
five
lane
highway.
They
certainly
will
have
a
lot
of
input
in
in
where
the
crosswalk
would
be,
and
just
the
safety
around
it.
But
I
I
certainly
hear
your
your
comment.
K
D
Comment:
yeah,
actually
thank
you,
jennifer
and
I
was
going
to
ask
and
mr
hauser
and
mr
rodriguez,
I
think,
yeah
you
guys
were
both
on
the
commission
and
miss
tuck.
There
was
a
project
that
was
on
the
other
side
of
the
road
closer
to
lake
julian.
What
was
it
just
west
of
overlook
and
wasn't
there
some
proposal
to
upgrade
the
crosswalk
there?
I
can't
remember
was
it
that
was
two
years
ago,
so
I
I
feel
like
there's
something
that
was
getting
upgraded
at
that
light.
F
E
N
F
On
ncdot
or
the
I
think
at
the
time,
so
what
I
was
going
to.
G
E
Yeah,
I
definitely
think
that
we
should
do
that.
I
mean,
I
know
the
first
skyline
plaza
is
or
whatever
the
name
of
that
new
place
is
that's
over
there.
E
It's
like
the
sushi
sushi
place
or
whatever
that's
in
there,
but
I
mean
people
do
fly
down
that
road
and
I
go
down
that
road
all
the
time
and
my
thought
is
like
some
sort
of
crosswalk
thing
like
this
in
bill,
moore
village,
which
also
people
don't
really
pay
attention
to,
but
they
do
it's
like
it
does
bring
your
awareness
to
it
like
if
you're
a
local.
You
know
that
it's
there
and
if
you're
a
tourist
you
stop.
E
When
you
see
somebody
crossing
the
street,
you
know
so
it's
like
something
like
that
has
got
to
be
done
and
if
we
need
to
partner
with
the
ot,
then
that's
what
we
need
to
do
and
that's
why
we're
all
on
this
commission
is
to
bring
awareness
to
things
like
that.
But
I
would
hate
to
see
you
know
like
a
teenager
from
tc
taking
their
little
brother
over
to
like
julian
and
they're
cutting
across
the
street
and
a
car,
so
something
happens
to
them.
So
I
think
that
we
all
need
to
be
more
aware
of.
B
A
couple
of
comments
and
a
couple
of
questions
thanks
a
lot
for
the
commitment
that
you're
making
to
affordable
housing.
I
really
appreciate
that
the
for
the
rest
of
the
commissioners,
the
type
of
storm
system
that
mr
sugg
refers
to,
although
it's
below
grade
it
is
open
bottom,
so
that
the
water
has
an
operative.
The
stormwater
has
an
opportunity
to
infiltrate
to
some
extent.
B
B
I
notice
in
your
plan
that
you
have
a
series
of
crosswalks
that
connect
the
sidewalks,
basically
from
that
back
unit
or
the
back
building
up
to
the
front,
the
sidewalk
along
long
shoals
and-
and
it's
probably
already
detailed
this
way,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
those
crosswalks
are
to
ramps
rather
than
stand
up,
curb
or
curb
and
gutter,
so
that
so
that
somebody
who
who
need
who's
disabled
in
some
way
can
use
that
that
access.
B
R
That
is
correct.
There's
two
dumpsters
up
near
the
east
side
of
building
b
in
the
parking
lot.
R
We
have
run
it
and
we
do
think
that
any
combination
of
maybe
the
backup
style-
that's
used
more
in
downtown
or
potentially
the
the
front
load.
They'll
have
to
do
a
little
maneuvering
there,
but
I
think
it's
possible
and
we
have
our
own
truck
turn
on.
B
And
then
my
my
standard
question,
I
asked
on
so
many
developments
like
this.
Where
is
the
bicycle
parking.
R
Bicycle
parking:
we
have
a
set
of
it
directly
south
of
garage
number
one.
You
can
see
some
some
concrete
with
four
blocks
there,
and
then
we
also,
I
believe,
have
we
may
have
some
up
near
building
b,
but
I
know
there's
some
right
there
in
front
of
building
a
between
doing
a
and
garage
one
which
is
also
where
the
leasing
leasing
office
is
as
well.
B
B
B
This
is,
can
you
guys
hear
me
this
is
adrian,
I'm
a
developer
yeah.
We
have
indoor
implement
storage
in
the
basement
level
of
building
b,
that
has
indoor
bike
storage
and
also
like
outdoor
implement
storage.
So
that's
not
shown
here
because
it's
part
of
the
architectural
floor
plans
for
the
building,
but
we're
planning
on
having
that.
B
F
Tony,
I
do
have
one
clarification
asked
derek
on
the
affordable
housing
conditions
derrick.
Normally
we
write
it
to
say
that
there
would
be
a
ded,
affordable,
housing,
deed
restriction
that
the
city
would
provide
and
that
you'd
enter
into.
Is
that
something
that
applicants
agreeable
to
for
the
the
20,
the
20
80
for
20
years.
P
F
Okay,
so
we'll
revise
the
condition
for
next
time,
and
also
I
see
now
that
you're
you're
going
to
apply
for
a
luigi.
You
know
for
luigi's.
One
of
the
criteria
is
that
you've
got
to
start
that
process
before
you
go
to
definitely
to
city
council.
So
have
you
started
to
apply
or
talk
to
paul
about
that
in
community
development.
B
H
B
C
And
just
to
remind
the
commission
and
anybody
who
might
be
out
there,
the
next
meeting
for
the
plains.
Zoning
commission
will
be
july
7th
wednesday
july
7th,
and
this
will
be
an
in-person
meeting
as
we
had
decided
or
as
the
commission
has
decided.
So
this
will
occur
in
the
first
floor
conference.
Room
of
city
hall
and
more
information
to
the
new
commissioners
will
be
forthcoming.