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From YouTube: Downtown Commission – March 10, 2023
Description
Regular meeting of the City of Asheville Downtown Commission.
Access the agenda and other meeting materials at the City of Asheville website: https://www.ashevillenc.gov/department/city-clerk/boards-and-commissions/downtown-commission/
Participate before and during the meeting on our public engagement hub: https://publicinput.com/W0132
A
B
A
A
date
right.
The
Asheville
downtown
commission
was
created
by
the
city
council
for
sustainability
and
continued
development
of
downtown
a
vital
Urban
Center
of
Western
North
Carolina's
economic,
cultural
and
visitor
activity.
The
downtown
commission
provides
city
council
with
recommendations
on
downtown
policies
and
initiatives.
A
In
addition,
downtown
Commissioners
currently
fill
three
out
of
nine
seats
of
the
city's
design,
Review
Committee,
which
reviews
development
projects
within
the
central
business
district,
the
river
Arts,
District
and
hotel
projects
outside
of
those
areas.
The
downtown
commission
also
has
the
opportunity
to
provide
input
on
projects
outside
of
the
scope
of
design
review.
We
are
streaming
live
on
our
virtual
engagement
Hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
Hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city
website,
and
also
linked
on
the
committee
page.
A
We
have
an
option
for
the
public
to
listen,
live
by
phone
and
for
anyone
out
there
with
us
today.
Welcome
at
this
time,
I
will
go
through
the
roll
call
and
everyone
as
I
go
through
just
say
a
quick
hello
if
I
can
get
it
to
work
I'm
just
going
to
do
it.
This
way.
A
A
Andrew
Fletcher
is
not
present
at
the
moment,
but
still
expected
and
with
that
I
will
start
with
our
agenda
items
to
help
our
audience
follow
along
I
will
state
each
section
aloud
as
we
work
through
the
agenda
and
go
from
there.
So
our
first
item
is
approval
of
minutes.
A
We
should
you
should
have
had
the
ability
to
review
our
draft
action
minutes
from
our
February
10th
2023
meeting.
Are
there
any
revisions?
No
I'll.
A
You
is
there
a
second,
very
good,
all
in
favor,
say
aye
aye
aye
any
opposed
that
motion
passes
and
we
will
keep
going.
Did
we
receive
any
public
comment?
I,
don't
remember
seeing
any
there's.
B
None
in
the
folder
so
therefore
no.
A
Public
comment,
and
obviously
we
will
take
public
comment
for
our
items
of
business
as
we
that
are
for
people
that
are
present
today.
So
our
first
item
of
new
business
is
to
kind
of
recap
our
work
session.
A
Don't
know
how
the
rest
of
you
kind
of
felt
about
that
tall
or
missed
you.
We,
we
had
a
a
good
presentation
from
different
departments
that
that
kind
of
told
us
a
little
bit
more
about
the
things
that
the
city
was
already
going
to
be
engaged
in,
and
then
we
had
our
exercise
where
we
went
through
and
talked
about
upcoming
things
we
listed
us
basically
in
anyone
was
free
to
list
any
any
concept
or
topic
that
they
thought
we
should
be
engaged
in.
A
And
then
we
had
a
one
of
the
fun
dot
exercises
where
we
basically
went
around
the
room
and
indicated
our
level
of
interest,
a
level
of
importance
for
each
item
and
then
what
we
thought.
Our
role
should
be
as
a
commission,
so
the
two
highest
ranking
ones
were
the
the
downtown
patent
Corridor
project
and
the
Pax
Square
visioning
project.
A
Those
both
had
the
highest
level
of
interest
in
terms
of
the
number
of
of
people
that
were
interested,
the
the
interest
that
they
indicated
in
it,
and
the
primary
role
seemed
to
be
a
carryout
review
for
those
projects
assessing
the
design
and
Alignment,
as
well
as
providing
recommendations
to
council
and
and
then
you
know,
communicating
with
communicating
with
the
rest
of
the
broader
community
and
then
the
the
next
items.
The
next
two
highest
items
would
have
been
updating
the
downtown
design
guidelines.
Sage
has
already
been
beating
that
drum
for
us.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Providing
recommendations
to
council
and
working
with
other
I
know
staff
has
that
already
on
their
work
plan
as
something
that
we're
looking
at
and
we've
also
talked
about
the
things
that
we
can
do
in
terms
of
minor
modifications.
A
Padillas
here
to
talk
about
some
of
that,
even
today
that
we
can
do
to
different
parts
of
the
Udo
and
different
parts
of
the
recommendations
that
we
can
do
immediately,
while
we're
looking
at
more
long-term
updates
to
the
design
guidelines
and
then
the
one
that
keeps
Rising
I
wonder
what
it
would
be
today
if
we
took
this
same
poll
downtown
public
safety,
reimagining
Public
Safety
that
had
a
high
level
of
Interest,
our
primary
role
was
to
cooperate,
communicate
with
evaluate
and
represent
the
recommendations
of
downtown
stakeholders
other
and
then
the
other
ones
kept
going
downtown
cleanliness
outdoor
program
updates.
A
There
were
just
several
more,
you
know
we're
interested
in
everything,
but
we
also
know
we
have
limited.
We
have
limited
time
and
availability.
We
can't
do
everything,
so
we
needed
to
prioritize.
So
this
will
help
both
me
and
and
staff.
I
think
understand
what
it
is.
You
know
to
continue
to
look
at.
Obviously,
as
prior
parties
can
change
through
the
year,
things
can
pop
up,
but
that's
that's
kind
of
where
we
left
it.
So
any
comments
from
our
commissioners
regarding
kind
of
how
That
Shook
out.
E
That
we
do
that
in
that
format,
which
was
great,
it
was
really
helpful
having
staff
there
and
the
exercise
that
kind
of
help
reduce
that
graphic
is
helpful.
I
think
the
number
of
ways
of
maybe
primarily
and
how
we
kind
of
add
some
things
to
the
agenda
items
upcoming,
but
it
was
really.
A
Well
done
well,
Dana's,
not
here,
but
congrats
to
Dana
and
Steph
for
putting
that
all
together,
that
was
a
it
was
a
well-run
and
honestly
having
staff.
There
haven't
been
there
having
different
you
there
to
talk
about.
This
is
what's
already
in
a
work
plan.
This
is
what
we're
already
doing.
Actually
helped
me
understand
things
that
we,
where
you
were
already
working
and
we
could
get
alongside
and
help
you
push,
so
that
was
that
was
good.
A
Okay,
there
are
no
other
questions,
then
I'll
move
right
into
our
next.
Do
I.
Take
public
comment
on
that.
No
no
need.
D
A
Thank
you
all
right
overview
of
our
next
item
of
business
is
overview
of
the
review
process
for
project
Aspire
will
is
going
to
lead
us
through
that
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure.
We
know
we're
not
actually
reviewing
project
Aspire
this
morning,
we're
just
talking
about
how
we're
going
to
review.
B
This
is
the
pre-meeting
to
the
pre-meeting,
so
I'm
going
to
pull
up
the
conceptual
site
plan
just
for
reference,
so
we're
all
kind
of
the
same
page.
This
is
not
I.
Don't
want
to
have
a
discussion
around
a
lot
of
the
design
aspects
of
it,
because
that's
what
we'll
be
doing
in
about
a
month
or
so,
but
just
have
something
up
to
give
some
food
for
thoughts
so
good
morning.
Everyone
welcome
planning
and
Urban
Design.
B
We
just
wanted
to
touch
base
and
check
in
with
a
the
status
of
the
project,
Aspire
application,
and
also
to
kind
of
give
a
primer
about
how
that
review
is
going
to
happen
going
forward,
as
it
is
a
kind
of
a
unique
review
process.
It's
a
very
unique
project
in
regards
to
the
the
scale
and
the
impacts
and
the
phasing
and
the
timing
of
it.
So
just
for
background
project
Aspire
is
about
a
1
million
square
foot
project
which
includes
a
mix
of
residential
office,
hotel
and
and
Retail
uses.
B
It'll
include
the
the
Redevelopment
of
the
YMCA
to
the
west
of
the
the
Asheville
Baptist
church
and
then
the
State
Employee
Credit
Union
bank,
to
the
south
of
the
church,
it'll
be
a
two-phase
project,
so
the
portion
south
of
the
church
will
be
done
first,
the
YMCA
will
relocate
in
this
designated
green
area
and
then
once
they're
relocated
and
up
and
running.
B
The
second
phase
will
happen
at
the
the
former
YMCA
site,
so
essentially
it's
kind
of
two
tall
buildings
fronting
Central,
Avenue
and
College
Street
about
15
to
18
stories
on
those
two
and
then
smaller
buildings
on
the
interior,
five,
the
eight
stories
or
so
that
kind
of
Step
Down
The
View
towards
the
church
to
retain
some
of
that
visual.
B
B
So
in
this
first
phase
of
the
project,
they're
not
going
to
be
coming
with
super
detailed
site
plans
like
we
typically
see
for
projects,
it
will
be
a
conditional
zoning
because
of
the
scale
of
the
project,
but
basically
they'll
be
providing
the
site
plan
overall,
massing
the
Heights
and
the
uses
with
some
flexibility
in
those
numbers
so
that
when
they
move
forward
with
this
multi-year
phasing
plan,
they
can
come
back
for
a
second
round
of
review
and
that'll
be
a
little
more
detailed.
B
So
essentially,
in
the
next
few
months,
the
city
will
be
reviewing
the
master
plan
phase
and
then
maybe
the
next
year
or
two
they'll
come
forward
with
their
additional
actual
building
phases,
with
detailed
plans
and
design
and
and
that
sort
of
thing.
So
it's
a
little
bit
different
than
what
we
typically
do
usually
for
conditional
zonings.
We
require
very
detailed
site
plans,
elevations,
which,
which
is
good
for
most
projects,
I,
think
for
larger
projects
that
are
multi-year.
It
can
be
problematic
because
things
change
over
time
and.
D
B
Probably
going
to
depend
on
how
they
move
forward
with
permitting
I
think
they're
going
to
have
to
at
least
combine
the
First
Baptist
Church
and
the
bank
Parcels,
because
the
I
think
the
building
is
going
to
be
kind
of
on
the
property
line
more
or
less
which
they
can't
do.
They
might
be
able
to
keep
the
YMCA
parcel
separate,
but
I
think
essentially
they're
going
to
have
to
combine
all
the
all
the
parcels
into
one
to
to
move
forward
with
their
eventual
permitting.
D
C
B
So
yeah
so
I'm
glad
to
answer
that,
so
that
Pros
connection
is
is
being
considered
as
a
as
a
through
connection.
There's
a
lot
of
discussion
about
habits
yeah.
B
So
that's
some
of
the
things
they're
working
through
at
this
stage
is
things
like
trying
to
get
the
basic
building
blocks
like
you
know
exactly
what
are
the
ranges
of
heights?
Where
are
your
connections?
You
know
to
call
out
all
the
driveway
curb
Cuts.
What's
your
circulation
pattern,
so
this
was
the
initial
submission
and
went
to
TRC
on
Monday.
B
You
know:
TRC
recommended
approval
with
conditions
that
they
provide
additional
information
going
forward
for
this
master
plan
level,
review
and
and
basically
the
project
team
is
working
on
refinements
and
more
details,
and
the
project
will
be
informally
reviewed
by
the
designer
view.
Committee
at
a
special
meeting,
that'll
be
virtual
on
March,
23rd
and
that'll
be
posted
on
the
drc's
website.
I
think
it
already
is,
and
that's
open
to
anyone
to
view
it
won't
be
a
public
hearing.
It
won't
be
any
comments
because
it
won't
be
the
formal
review.
B
We
do
cancel
the
standing
March
16th
DRC
meeting
because
there
weren't
any
other
items
but
we'll
have
this
informal
meeting
that'll
be
a
chance
to
kind
of
have
more
of
a
conversation
with
the
DRC
about
the
project
and
then
assuming
it
all.
Moves
forward
from
there
it'll
be
formally
reviewed
by
the
DRC
on
April
20th
reviewed
by
the
downtown
commission
at
the
April
14
meeting,
move
on
to
Planning
and
Zoning
commission,
perhaps
in
May,
and
then
city
council,
perhaps
at
the
end
of
May
at
the
earliest.
So
so
we'll.
B
It'll
be
a
master
plan
level,
we're
hoping
to
have
more
detail,
they
did
submit
a
lot
more
information
and
some
of
their
other
application
materials.
So
renderings
and
concept
plans-
and
you
know
it's
all-
very
sure-
kind
of
water
colory
at
the
moment,
yeah.
A
D
A
One
place
on
the
site
and
then
not
have
as
many
other
places.
You
know
there
there's
a
lot
of
that
kind
of
stuff
that
I
as
I
as
I
start
to
look
at
it.
I'm
like
well
I
would
probably
think
this
would
be
different
Parcels,
but
if
they're
doing
it
as
a
master
plan
and
then
they're
I'm
trying
to
get
my
head
around,
how
all
that
is
is
working.
A
So
those
are
the
kind
of
things
as
you
continue
to
talk
to
the
design
team
that,
as
a
member
of
this
board
like
design,
we'll
talk
about
the
design
piece,
but
as
a
member
of
this
I'm
thinking
about
it,
like
as
a
policy
planning
piece
and
as
sage
has
already
mentioned,
are
we
maintaining
existing
vehicular
and
or
improving
vehicular,
and
especially
pedestrian
through
traffic
in
and
around
this
area?
Those
are
the
kind
of
things
that
that
I
think
we're
going
to
be
interested
in
here.
A
And
what
does
this
do
for
Public
Safety?
What
does
this
do?
For
you
know?
Which
parts
are
the
Andrew's,
not
here
so
I'm
going
to
do
it
for
him
which
parts
are
are
of.
This
are
just
for
the
people
that
live
and
and
in
our
and
are
in
here
and
which
parts
can
the
public
access.
Those
are
the
kind
of
questions
we're
going
to
want
to
know
sure
so.
G
I
looked
at
some
of
the
Capital
campaign
documentation
they
have.
D
G
The
YMCA
and
I
saw
a
lot
of
work
like
housing
that
are
affordable.
C
We
can't
we
can't
require
it
by
law
in
North
Carolina.
We
don't
have
rent
control
or
inclusionary
zoning.
What
we
will
do,
though,
is
I've
heard
rumors
as
well.
They've
already
contacted
me
that
they're
looking
at
some
affordability,
so
our
best
tools
are
known
as
like
the
Louise
land
use
incentive,
Grant
and
the
currently
under
policy.
The
land
use
incentive.
Grant
has
to
come
to
us
before
a
rezoning,
so
we
would
see
their
use
of
that
Grant,
which
would
trigger
a
requirement
of
affordable
units
before
it
comes
to
us
for
design
review.
G
C
The
I
also
chair
our
housing
board
for
the
city,
and
we
are
opening
up
all
those
policies
this
year
and
some
of
the
things
we're
looking
at.
We.
C
D
B
Yeah
so
anything
they
agreed
to,
we
can
put
into
the
project
conditions
document
that
gets
signed
by
the
applicant
and
agreed
on
on
the
city
council
and
then
that's
kind
of
a
contract
that
they
have
to
be
held
accountable
for
so
if
they
commit
to
a
certain
number
of
affordable
units,
we
write
that
down
and
they
sign
it
and
they
have
to
confer
to
that.
We.
B
They're
being
rented
to
according
to
zoning
nice
is
that
a
requirement.
D
B
So
it's
things
that
will
affect
their
their
master
plan
proposal
and
also
even
thinking
forward
for
in
a
few
years
that
they're
more
detailed
designer
things
that
might
not
be
coming
around
this
time
they
want
to
get
in
their
head
now.
I
think
those
are
fine
to
mention
as
well.
B
One
thing
we
we
agreed
upon
in
the
review
process
was
that
they
would
have
to
be
a
mandatory
compliance
with
designer
view
committee,
so
that's
kind
of
a
way
to
wow
yep
kind
of
like
a
hotel
project.
So
because
we're
not
we're
not
seeing
any
design
in
this
phase,
we're
not
going
to
be
seeing
elevations,
really
we're
not
going
to
be
seeing
fenestration.
B
We
know
that
they're
going
to
meet
the
fenestration
requirements,
for
you,
know
Woodfin,
College,
Charlotte,
they're,
all
primary
pedestrian,
key
pedestrian
streets
so,
but
since
we're
not
seeing
any
design
any
detailed
design
in
this
phase,
one
thing
we
wanted
to
include
was
that
they
would
have
to
get
voluntary
or
mandatory
compliance
with
the
DRC.
And
then
it
would
go
to
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
for
ministerial
site
plan
review,
which
is
basically
comparing
their
their
detailed
submission
against
this
master
plan
level.
B
B
Yeah,
it's
actually
on
the
second
page.
Here
they
are
I
can
scroll
down
to
that.
They
have
a
lot
of
parking
about
1800
spaces.
How
many
1800
between.
B
Some
of
that
information
needs
to
be
updated.
They
were
I
think
assuming
that
residential
required
parking,
which
it
doesn't
downtown,
so
their
required
parking
is
really
only
going
to
be
their
hotel
uses
and
ancillary
Hotel
uses
one
per
two
guest
rooms
and
then
for
any
other
space
in
the
hotel
uses.
So
they're
required
parking
is
going
to
be
much
lower
than
what
they're
currently
considering.
B
So
I
think
you
know
be
really
interesting
to
see
what
they
have
to
present
at
the
informal
designer
view
committee
on
March
23rd
we'll
have
those
exhibits
up
on
the
website
as
soon
as
we
receive
them.
Hopefully
a
few
days
before
have
that
discussion
and
they
can
refine
things
from
there
and.
A
Parking
thing:
that's
a
lot
of
parking
yeah
I
mean
part
of
me
is
like
cool.
It's
a
lot
of
parking
Apartments
like
do
I
really
yeah.
Okay,.
A
A
B
That's
my
one
thing:
we've
talked
through
so
so
yeah
at
this
phase.
It's
really
kind
of
thinking
about
how
the
project
conforms
to
the
CBD
zoning,
what
kind
of
technical
modifications
they're
seeking.
So,
for
instance,
you
know
they
are
proposing
that
the
parking
garage
along
Charlotte
Street
just
keep
pedestrian
street,
which
requires
a
15-foot
minimum
habitable
story
on
the
ground
level
to
activate
the
street.
B
They
are
asking
for
modification
because
they're
not
able
to
to
do
that
in
their
design,
so
we're
trying
to
work
with
them
because
they've
seen
them
and
they
perhaps
indicate
that
they
can
do
something
along
Charlotte
Street.
Besides
just
parking
so
trying
to
find
that
middle
ground
of
okay
I
know
you
want
a
modification,
because
you
can't
do
what's
required
by
the
code.
But
can
you
do
something
that
achieves
a
similar
goal,
similar
things
like
setbacks
and
step
backs?
B
B
A
Away
in
this
phase,
none
of
that
really
raises
my
eyebrows,
because
I've
got
my
own
issues
with
the
or
our
guidelines
when
it
comes
to
that
I
think
it,
but
just
from
a
planning
standpoint
that
huge
parking
deck
on
Charlotte
kind
of
the
corner
of
Charlotte
and
college
with
nothing
on
it
is
really
reminiscent
of
butt.
Ruggers
yeah.
H
B
Parking
one
working,
one
is
a
garage.
Yes,
two
was
the
garage
parking
one
and
parking
two
are.
A
F
A
Okay,
it's
that
it's
that
corner
piece
on
a
very
key
pedestrian.
E
Street
that
so
it
sounds
like
Brian.
What
you're
saying
is
that
there's
a
concern
and
a
need
to
make
sure
the
developer
is
aware
that
at
a
minimum
these
faces
and
the
facades
of
these
garages
are
going
to
have
to
be
carefully
thought
out,
unlike
many
that
are,
you
know
being
built
in
certain
parts
of
the
southeast,
but
those
faces
are
really
really
important.
I
have
a
just
a
general
question.
E
B
Yeah,
so
the
the
development
team
is
Furman.
Companies
they
are
based
out
of
Atlanta
I,
believe
might
be
confusing
with
another
development
team
I
was
meeting
with
recently.
To
be
honest,
so
the
Furman
company
has
not
done
a
lot
of
work
in
Asheville
I,
don't
think
they
perhaps
have
done
any
but
they're
pretty
well
established.
Development
Group
I've
only
worked
with
a
few
members
from
from
their
operations,
you'll
be
speaking
to
their
their
Elite
architects.
B
In
quite
a
bit
of
detail
over
the
next
couple
months,
David
Crabtree,
with
a
different
firm.
C
C
B
Haven't
done
a
lot
of
leg,
work
for
sure
working
with
the
congregation
working
with
the
YMCA
and
other
property
owners,
so
they've
certainly
been
putting
in
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
time
to
get.
You
know
the
internal
kind
of
the
internal
collaboration
and
respecting
the
First
Baptist
Churches
operations
and
and
Views,
and
you
know
presence
in
that
in
that
block
and
now
they're
kind
of
now
that
they've
kind
of
gotten
their
internal
ducks
in
a
row
going
through
the
public
process.
B
B
Correct
so
YMCA
of
Asheville
owns
the
north
site
West
site
and
then
the
First
Baptist
Church
is
a
church
owns
the
other
two
sites,
Parcels,
so
they're
partnering
as
landowners
in.
B
Is
doing
the
development
of
it
and
in
the
yeah.
A
B
B
C
A
What
other
information
do
you
need
from
us
this
morning?
That's.
B
A
B
Yes
and
they've
already
submitted
some
of
that
in
their
initial
submittal,
so
we're
expecting
some
refinements
of
that,
and
so
maybe
you
know
I
think,
look
forward
to
those
materials
prior
to
the
informal
DRC
and
and
see
where
those
are
at
and
if
there's
other
views
or
or
more
detailed
studies.
You
would
like
to
see
for
the
formal
review.
C
B
D
D
B
C
E
Yeah,
so
it
sounds
like
in
terms
of
expectations
and
what
this
body
would
be.
Looking
for.
E
C
B
Yeah
they
did
provide
some
of
that
in
their
in
their
submittal
solution.
Seeing
more
of
that
for
sure
so,
yeah
I
think
that'll
be
helpful
yeah.
This
is
definitely
not
the
only
thing
we'll
be
seeing
and
reviewing
against
so
we'll
have
3D
and
different
view,
sheds
and
different
studies
and
for
sure
well.
C
When
the
last
really
large
project
came
to
us,
it
was
Cox
and
Ashland
and
I
know
that
one's
had
some
altering
but
I
think
it's
under
contract.
Again,
we
learned
through
design
review
that
they
intended
to
essentially
enclose
the
entire
project
in
its
own
kind
of
fencing
or
Gates,
or
something
has
there
been
any
of
that
signaled
early
on
in
this
I.
F
C
A
B
Yeah,
that
is
that's
not
their
intent
as
far
as
I
understand
it,
but
that's
an
excellent
design
criteria
that
we've
talked
internally
about
is
how
to
make
this
really
part
of
downtown
and
I.
Think
your
point
about,
where
are
the
activated
uses
that
are
open
to
the
public?
You
know
so
understanding?
Where
are
the
entrances?
Where
is
the
desired
pedestrian
flow
path,
where
our
folks
going
to
be
trying
to
legally
cross
Woodfin
Street
like
they
are
today
all.
B
So
I
think
understanding
how
that
how
this
development
flows
between
the
rest
of
downtown
is
going
to
be
really
important
to
the
success
of
it.
One.
C
B
I
think
we're
good.
Thank
you
great
well,
like
I,
said
informal
designer
view
on
March,
23rd
and
obviously
a
lot
of
folks
from
DRC
there
and
anyone
else
who
wants
to
listen
in
that'll,
be
recorded
and
up
on
our
site
too,
and
kind
of
go
from.
A
There
so
anyone
who's
not
on
the
DRC
if
there
are
specific
items
that
we
cover
today
or
that
you
think
about
that,
you
won't
design
review
to
cover.
Please
email
us
and
let
us
know
we'll
try
to
communicate
that
too.
Thank
you.
Will
our
next
item
of
business
is
a
landscaping
code
updates
it's
applied
to
the
CBD
of
Adela
good.
I
Morning,
my
name
is
planning
and
Urban
Design,
so
I
wanted
to
give
you
an
update
on
Landscaping
code
a
little
bit
of
background
for
those
who
don't
know.
We
worked
on
code
change
for
open
space.
That
Robin
was
a
part
of
it
took
about
three
years
and
as
part
of
that
code
Amendment,
it
was
agreed
that
we
would
rework
the
Landscaping
code.
I
I
can
answer
questions
if
you
want
about
that,
but
I'll.
That's
that's
what
we've
been
sort
of
working
on
behind
the
scenes
a
little
bit
for
almost
a
couple
years
now
we
have
a
small
landscape,
a
code
team
that
has
shrunken
over
time,
but
we've
made
significant
changes
and
kind
of
updates
to
the
code.
I
I
What
what
will
results
is
that,
when
primarily
Street
trees
in
the
downtown
are
planted
in
order
to
meet
these
soil
volumes,
what
we
will
likely
see
is
the
development
of
subsurface
systems
in
order
to
keep
the
soil
relatively
uncompacted,
so
that
sidewalk
can
be
poured
on
top
of
these
systems
they're.
Basically,
if
you
can
imagine
like
milk
crates
underneath
the
sidewalks,
so
you
can
put
the
soil
there,
compact
it
to
a
minimum
level.
I
That
is
supportive
of
root
growth,
but
not
to
the
95
Proctor
that
makes
it
prohibitive
for
roots
to
penetrate,
and
then
those
systems
can
keep
the
weight
of
sidewalks,
so
the
sidewalks
don't
crack,
and
so
what
we'll
likely
see
is
where
the
trees
are
planted
along
the
sidewalks,
probably
about
a
five
or
six
foot
stretch
along
the
the
length
of
the
trees
with
those
systems
underneath
it
which
is
going
to
be
more
expensive,
but
it
will
lead
to
healthier
long
longer
lasting
trees.
I
So
that's
one
thing
that
we're
working
on
the
other
one,
which
is
a
more
of
a
newer
thing
that
we've
only
been
looking
at
for
about
a
year,
is
the
possibility
of
a
green
roof
standard.
I
There's
been
a
lot
of
concern
recently
about
more
concern
about
storm
water.
The
French,
Broad
River,
has
been
downgraded
as
far
as
its
cleanliness
and
a
good
way
of
of
dealing
with
this
is
looking
at
the
how
to
capture
the
water
from
you
know
before
it
runs.
It
runs
down
and
in
a
downtown
where
there's
a
lot
of
impervious
surfaces,
the
roofs
really
make
sense.
We've
looked
at
other
cities,
there
are
other
cities
that
have
standards,
and
so
we're
reviewing
those
standards
and
thinking
about.
I
If
we
would
do
that
to
what
extent
which
properties
would
be
appla,
this
would
be
applicable
to
and
so
forth.
So
I
don't
have
a
lot
of
details.
If
we
want
to
talk
about
it,
I
can
fill
you
in
a
little
bit,
but
that's
sort
of
the
direction
we're
going
and
I'll
leave
it
at
that,
because
you
have
a
pretty
big
agenda
and
I'll.
Take
any
questions.
If
you
have
them.
E
I
have
a
question:
is
there
an
estimated
time
frame
on
when
maybe
some
of
the
decisions
will
be
made,
and
these
can
be
implemented?
I
guess
specifically
with
the
the
tree
root
Zone
and
the
green
roofs.
I
So
we
would
ideally
move
all
the
Landscaping
changes
together
at
the
same
time,
we're
also
making
some
adjustments
to
the
tree
canopy
preservation,
ordinance
that
will
likely
come
at
the
same
time.
We
don't
have
anything
set
yet,
but
I
think
there's
some
agreement
that
we
want
these
to
try
to
move
through
in
the
early
part
of
this
or
late
part
of
the
spring
early
part
of
Summer,
because
we
have
other
projects
that
are
coming
up
behind
those.
So
I
would
say
at
its
most
aggressive
possible
timeline.
I
We
could
see
the
formal
process
going
through
planning
and
zoning
and
city
council.
You
know
maybe
June
would
be
there-
probably
the
earliest
yeah
for.
A
The
full
disclosure
I
was
on
the
open
space
and
I've
been
on
this
one
to
Geo
and
I
actually
served
on
this
one
for
the
last
couple
years,
with
Ed
and
Stephen
and
I'm
working
pretty
pretty
hard
on
it,
with
Bill
has
done
a
ton
of
work
and
the
the
idea.
The
basic
idea
behind
it
is
that
if
we
get
better
soil
volume
and
more
soil
volume
and
better
soil
volume,
we're
going
to
have
a
better
canopy,
and
so
there's
been
a.
A
E
Could
I
get
around
it
there's
a
great
case
study
that
has
taken
place
in
downtown
Asheville
with
this.
If
you
will
look
at
the
trees
that
surround
the
heiress
Hotel,
all
of
those
followed
some
pretty
helpful
strategies
with
expanded
storm
attack
system,
not
storm
Tech.
I
F
E
Systems
and
check
out
those
trees
today
they're
the
healthiest
fastest
growing
trees
in
downtown
compared
to
trees
that
are
on
along
Patton,
Avenue
and
other
new
developments
that
it's
a
four
by
four
tree
grade
and
the
last
thing
that's
done
before
they
open
the
site.
Is
they
dig
a
hole
in
that
compacted
sidewalk
and
stick
a
root
ball
in
there,
but
the
heiress
Hotel
trees
are
growing
at
a
phenomenal
rate
and
it's
because
they
use
the
Civil
cell
system,
and
so
it's
been
done.
It's
being
done.
A
Think
it's
a
great
idea,
so
I'm
side
job
worked
on
it.
So
there's
that
piece
and
then
the
green
roof
piece
I,
don't
know
that
we've
settled
on
like
a
size,
I
kind
of
suggested,
a
minimum
level,
two
anything
on
a
level
two
or
above
they
need
to
consider
or
we
need
to
have
some
form
of
green
roof
requirement
for
downtown
because,
as
we
all
know,
downtown
is
already
impervious
and
they're
not
technically
required
to
do
anything
for
new
construction,
and
we
can
do
better.
So
that's.
D
I
Right
so
this
would
be
only
for
new
construction,
so
likely
projects.
That
may
be
demolishing
those
sidewalks
anyway,
and
you
know
where
the
sidewalks
are
wide
enough
for
sidewalk
cafes.
It
wouldn't
inhibit
them
because
really
the
the
work
is
underneath
the
sidewalk,
it
wouldn't
change.
You
wouldn't
know
that
those
improved
soil
conditions
are
in
place
because
they
would
happen
underneath
the
concrete
so.
G
G
I
E
A
A
I
Would
work
work
with
the
developer
developers
right
and
we're
suggesting
to
add
an
alternative
compliance
for
Street
trees
that
are
that
can't
be
planted
because
of
utilities
that
would
allow
fee
and
Lou
so
to
give
more
flexibility
to
projects
that
really
can't
can't
deal
with
it
rather
than
you
know,
face
a
big
burden
to
allow
them
to
pay
the
fee
and
to
plant
those
trees
somewhere
else.
D
C
Water
quality
right
now
and
there's
some
awareness
growing
and
some
conditions
with
the
water
that
is
becoming
of
concern
and
we
might
be
renaming
and
reconfiguring
that
board
or
commission
a
little
bit.
It
has
greater
reach
than
just
the
French
Broad
River,
but
just
know
that
that's
coming.
So
all
this
is
kind
of
merging
together
really
well.
Actually
it's.
D
C
Heard
from
some
of
the
green
roof
developments
downtown
that
the
drainage
from
the
roof
and
into
the
street
system
and
into
the
sewerage
and
stuff
that
first,
whatever
reason,
this
is
just
what
I've
been
told
that
the
water
is
reduced
by
this
green
roof,
but
the
requirements
of
the
piping
and
everything
are
still
major
and
that
never
seem
to
connect
on
a
design
level
for
them.
So
that
might
be
some
of
our
I.
Don't
think
it's
building
code
for
the
state
or
anything,
but
something
about
how
we're
requiring
the
drainage
from
these
green
roofs.
A
A
there's
a
building
code
for
storm
drainage,
and
then
we
have
state
requirements
that
we
have
to
meet.
But
a
green.
D
A
Will
typically
manage
like
a
24-hour
storm,
just
just
fine,
and
even
sometimes
up
to
a
10-year
storm,
usually.
D
A
C
A
So
we
have
to
have
enough
drainage
to
meet
that
standard.
So
basically
you
get
so
much
water
so
fast
that
the
media
fills
up
with
water
and
then
the
rest
of
us
just
run
off.
We
still
have
to
have
the
piping
enjoyable
to
that
now.
What
a
green
roof
can
do
is
it
can
reduce.
So
if
it's
a
quality
and
quantity
control
measure,
it's
quantity
control
up
to
a
certain
quantity,
but
it's
quality
control
all
the
way
across.
So
it's
it's
it's!
A
It's
filtering
the
water,
the
entire
time,
even
in
a
major
storm
event,
so
it
can
reduce
the
amount
of
quality
control
you
have
to
have
for
the
building,
but.
D
A
D
E
That
well
Kate's,
not
here,
but
she
can
fix
it
well,
I
think
in
terms
of
costs
for
developers
too,
it's
you
know
really
well
documented
in
how
the
return
on
investment
makes
total
sense,
but
it's
just
upfront
costs
developers
have
to
deal
with
and
whether
they're
dealt
with
up
front
or
10
years
later,
15
years
later
by
owners
of
condos.
You
know
the
return
in
investment
is.
Is
there
it's
just
another
step
that
has
to
be
taken?
Thank
you.
I
I
Back
to
you
to
before,
we
start
the
formal
process
to
allow
you
to
see
the
actual
recommendations
and
the
git
input.
Yes,
please
all
right!
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
D
You
got
it
consideration.
J
So
we,
my
name,
is
Steph
munsondal
and
I'm
with
this,
it's
a
study
of
Asheville's
planning
and
Urban
Design
Department
good
morning,
and
thank
you
for
those
of
you
and
welcome
by
the
way
Jessica.
Thank
you
to
those
of
you
that
were
able
to
I.
Think
almost
all
of
you
were
at
the
community
advisory
committee
joint
work
session
with
you
after
your
retreat.
That
was
really
helpful.
This
work
session
was
focused
on
agreeing
on
the
21
themes
for
the
pack
Square
Plaza
visioning
project.
J
So
that's
what
I'm
here
to
talk
to
you
about
today
is
next
steps
with
that.
I
briefly
mentioned
before
that
we
are
looking
at
implementation
now,
so
that
we
can
continue
the
momentum
that
we've
built
with
the
different
community
members
that
have
participated
and
have
a
way
for
the
city
and
county
to
show
that
we
Implement
our
plans.
J
It's
a
great
process
where
our
first
draft
proposal
is
due
at
the
end
of
this
month
and
then
the
second
one
is
due
later
and
we
would
hear
in
June
they
are
interested
in
funding
the
design
and
Engineering
of
reshaping
pack
square
and
the
design,
engineering
and
construction
for
some
connectivity
to
the
block,
and
also
funding
for
promate
programming
and
education.
That
is
germane
to
storytelling,
sharing
histories
and
cultures
in
different
ways
throughout
Buncombe
County,
yes,
Brian.
So.
A
And
construction
for
connectivity,
so
they
are
not
just
necessarily
interested
in
funding
design
fees,
but
also
actual
built
work,
but
that
would
be
for
the
connectivity
part.
A
J
This
it's
a
third,
so
we
have
three
parts
to
this
potential:
Grant
the
design
and
Engineering
for
pack,
Square
design,
engineering
and
construction
for
connectivity
to
the
block,
and
the
third
piece
is
education
and
programming.
It's
what
we're
calling
sharing
our
stories
and
that's
helping
our
community
find
innovative
ways
to
bring
voices
that
aren't
normally
heard
out
into
places
like
pack
Square.
A
J
Okay,
so
today
I
just
wanted
to
let
you
know
that
we're
going
to
the
PED
Committee
of
City
Council
next
week
and
we're
going
to
be
asking
them
to
off,
to
recommend
to
city
council
that
the
city
manager
has
authorization
to
submit
this
grant
proposal,
and
we
would
like
to
get
a
vote
from
you
today,
yay
or
nay.
Whether
or
not
you
support
that
effort.
A
G
Like
just
like,
are
there
any
requirements
from
like
how
we
think
about
this?
For
that
come
with
that
three
million
dollars?
What
are
the
strings
yeah?
What
are
the
strings.
J
There
are
very
little
strings,
so
normally
the
city
works
with
other
governmental
entities
and
there
are
a
lot
of
requirements
like
matching
funds
with
philanthropy
money.
It's
a
little
bit
different,
and
so
we
are
not
required
to
match.
What
we
are
required
to
do
is
work
with
them
actually,
throughout
the
grant
writing
process
to
agree
on
the
scope
of
work,
so
they're
kind
of
Partners
on
the
in
the
very
beginning.
The
second
part
of
that
is
that
they
want
us
to
spend
the
majority
of
the
money
in
two
years.
A
Thank
you
and
thank
you
on
public
comment.
Is
there
any
public
comment,
Byron?
Really,
okay,
no,
very
good,
all
right!
So
any
other.
Do
we
need
to
have
any
other
discussion?
A
Okay,
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion
that
the
downtown
commission
hereby
recommends
that
the
city
staff
moves
forward
with
the
Grant
application,
as
stated
all
in
favor
aye
any
opposed
there
you
go.
Thank
you.
Good
luck,
good
luck!
That
sounds
awesome!
A
E
So
the
nominating
committee
has
met
it's
myself
and
Robin
Raines
and
there
are
two
positions
that
we'll
be
voting
on
today.
It'll
be
a
real
call
vote.
We
have
the
chair,
Chairman's
position
and
the
vice
chair
we'd
like
to
nominate
Brian
Moffett
for
chair
again
and
acknowledge
that
none
of
us
would
like
to
run
against
him
because
he's
done
such
a
great
job
and
and
then
for
vice
chair,
the
nomination
is
Andrew.
Fletcher
Andrew
is
not.
D
E
But,
as
we
all
know
he's
a
very
committed
member
of
this
body-
and
it
would
be
great
if
he
would
accept
a
potential
he's
accepted
the
nomination
and
it'd
be
great
to
have
him
on
board.
So
the
first
vote
is
there
any
comment:
are
there
any
other
Commissioners
that
are
interested
in
putting
their
hat
in
the
ring?
E
If
not,
the
first
vote
will
be
for
Vice,
chair
and
Andrew
Fletcher.
So
we'll
just
do
a
road
call.
Let's
see
myself.
E
Okay,
so
I'd
like
to
make.
E
Okay,
so
just
for
kick,
let's
do
roll
call!
Sorry,
Andrew,
Fletcher,
Vice,
chair,
I,
Stephen,
Lee,
Johnson,
we'll
just
go
down
the
line.
Hi.
G
E
Great
so
Andrew
you're-
not
here,
maybe
you're
watching,
but
thank
you
for
continuing
to
serve
as
Vice
chair
for
chair
of
the
downtown
commission.
The
nomination
is
Brian,
Moffett,
I,
sure,
I,
absolutely
I,
all
right.
So
all
right
there
we
have
it.
Thank
you!
Brian
and
Andrew.
A
I
was
hoping:
I
could
turn
this
over
to
somebody
else
for
the
remainder
of
the
meeting.
Thank
you.
I
will
try
to
even
do
better
this
this
year.
We
will
move
right
into
updates
and
reports
where
actually
we're
we're
ahead.
A
Wow,
that's
awesome,
so
design,
Review,
Committee
we
didn't
meet
in
our
next
meeting-
is
our
virtual
meeting
on
March
23rd.
K
A
So
so
again
welcome
to
Jessica.
She
is
our
representative
from
the
actual
Downtown
Association,
since
this
is
her
very
first
meeting.
We're
not
gonna,
make
her
do
a
formal
report,
but
it
did
ask
her
to
mention
the
state
of
downtown
absolutely.
K
So
next
Tuesday
from
12
to
1
we've
had
the
state
of
downtown
luncheon
at
Harrah's.
You
do
need
to
purchase
a
ticket
for
that,
but
I
hope
to
see
all
of
you
there,
but.
C
C
Share
a
little
too
just
to
share
that
the
Ada
is
currently
searching
for
a
new
executive
director
that
lost
Megan
to
air.
If
you
guys
know
that
right,
yes,
but
that
was
still
happening,
I
think
the
application
just
went
out
or
the
just
opened
up
about
14.
A
Still
14.,
okay,
homeless
initiatives,
I.
H
Don't
have
a
report,
but
I
can
note
that
the
report
has
already
the
homelessness
report
that
just
recently
came
out
has
already
spurred
some
action.
Hayek's
already
been
talking
about
work
groups
and
they're,
putting
that
in
motion,
so
I
I
expect
this
is
going
to
move
pretty
quickly
or
people
are
going
to
take
action.
A
J
J
C
Coming
up,
I'd
also
like
to
highlight
something
from
the
report
that
the
there
is
a
new
page.
That's
been
launched
for
businesses
to
check
in
on
crime
prevention
methods.
It's
linked
in
this
report.
There's
a
new
website
at
the
cities.
Page
there's
just
been
a
lot,
a
large
store
around
downtown
and
businesses
right
now
and
just
pointing
out
a
new
resource
I
will
have
updates.
If
it's
does
that
mean
now,
yeah.
C
Just
have
a
few
things
and
then
I'd
like
to
know
if
y'all
have
any
questions,
General
things
so
I
know,
like
I,
said
everything's
kind
of
there's
a
lot
going
on
in
downtown
right
now,
a
lot
of
discussion.
C
We
did
recently
learn
that
there
will
be
another
round
of
opiate
money
settlement
which
will
come
into
the
community,
mostly
via
the
county,
another
10
or
so
million
for
them,
bringing
them
to
about
30
million
and
to
the
city.
Another
1.2
million
I
think
is
the
number,
and
these
monies
can
be
used
over
the
next
10
years
for
Addiction,
Services
and
related
programming.
So
most
of
that
sits
under
the
county,
but
the
city
is
taking
a
new
role
and
trying
to
engage
in
this
growing
Community
issue
and
best.
C
We
can
so
that
just
a
little
Hope
on
the
horizon,
that
funding
shall
be
coming.
I
mean
is
our
budget
planning
time
right
now,
so
I
have
a
request
of
y'all
I
know
we
have
been
beating
the
drum
on
the
design
guidelines
but
I'm
trying
to
pitch
it
to
all
my
fellow
Council
women
and
really
you
know,
get
some
support.
C
If
you
all
had
a
little
brainstorming
list
of
things,
you
knew
you
might
throw
out
like
I've
been
saying.
One
of
the
things
we
really
want
to
talk
about
the
guidelines
is
better
lighting,
which
is
really
directly
related
to
some
of
the
incidents
we're
having
in
downtown.
So
it
would
almost
be
wonderful
if
you
all
had
a
little
bit
of
a
letter
of
hey.
These
things
are
important.
C
C
So
some
of
the
larger
sites
that
have
been
contaminated
or
left
or
abandoned
have
massive
amounts
of
trash,
and
some
of
it's
just
really
not
even
close
to
sanitary,
so
we're
bringing
in
biohazard,
Crews
and
so
on,
and
there
is
an
initiative
to
just
do
a
big
cleanup
throughout
the
city,
so
I'm
encouraging
everyone
to
use
the
Asheville
app
to
report
sites
that
you
know
about
report
areas
that
need
detailed
cleanup.
It
is
very
effective.
C
There
was
an
update
in
Steph
and
Dana's
report
about
downtown
restrooms.
That
site
has
been
located.
There's
some
public
input
around
it.
Do
you
all
know
where
it's
proposed?
Okay,.
C
C
C
Homelessness
and
people
that
are
at
risk
of
becoming
homeless.
So
just
the
draft
is
coming
to
City
Council
next
week
on
how
those
buckets
may
be
funded
and
we're
looking
at
about
a
million
dollars
for
Services
mental
health
addiction,
just
Services
programs
and
another
3.1
million
for
the
production
of
new
affordable
units,
because
we're
realizing
no
matter
what
happens.
We're
always
short
of
units.
C
This
is
interesting.
This
is
a
new
thing.
I
was
going
to
add
so
to
make
sure
that
they're
in
tune
with
some
of
the
things
in
our
communities.
If
you
are
an
applicant
for
some
of
that
service
money,
you
will
have
to
also
go
through
your
COC,
your
Continuum
of
Care
board
in
that
community
and
get
their
kind
of
vote
of
support
so
that
we
know
that
the
folks
that
are
more
directly
working
on
some
of
these
issues
have
had
a
chance
to
look
at
the
applications
that
this
will
really
help.
C
You
really
need
a
larger
body
that
you're
a
component
of
and
that
we
can't
really
organize
and
Implement
all
of
these
things,
so,
okay,
yay
for
better
COC,
but
so
more
money
coming
into
the
community
I
like
just
sharing
that
more
money
is
coming
to
help
with
the
problems.
I
know
it's
not
like
a
tomorrow
thing,
but
it's
in
the
one
of
those
tomorrows
and
then
as
usual.
If
you
have
any
questions
about
ongoing
things,
I'm
here
to
answer.
G
So
it
sounds
like
it's
mainly:
the
money
for
homelessness,
I
had
a
conversation
with
a
police
officer.
Sorry
that
I'm
sharing
it
personal,
it's
okay
experiences,
and
he
said
there
are
only
five
officers
in
Asheville
that
actually
own
a
house
in
Asheville.
C
It's
a
small
number
I
haven't
been
able
to
confirm
five
specifically
but
I
do
know
it's
a
small
number
of
overall
city
employees
and
more
and
more
Workforce
right
because
everything's
being
priced
out,
so
we
had
our
Retreat
and
just
last
week
and
you
can
watch
it
online
and
I
know
some
of
the
media
did
not
capture
a
lot
of
the
conversation
we
had
when
we
invited
the
chief
of
police
to
sit
with
us
and
discuss
they
caught
some
like
taglines
and
headlines
and
so
on.
C
C
And
the
mayor
said
what,
if
you
had
a
blank
check-
and
he
literally
said
I-
think
we
have
a
10-year
problem
to
rebuild
our
staff
and
if
I
had
a
blank
check,
it
might
be
seven
years.
So
it's
not
just
more
pay.
However,
we
are
looking
at
that,
but
there's
a
myriad
of
issues,
issues
around
policing.
One
of
them
is
housing
costs.
So,
no
matter
what,
if
you
move
year
and
you
have
a
great
salary,
your
housing
costs
are
so
much
larger,
we're
the
highest
in
the
state
that
it's
essentially
a
pay
cut.
Yeah.
A
C
A
C
Happens
a
lot-
and
you
know
it's
a
chicken
and
egg
scenario
too,
because
part
of
the
problem
is,
of
course,
that
wages
aren't
high
enough
right.
But
when
we
try
and
recruit
businesses,
you'll
hear
this
in
Economic
Development
tables.
When
we
try
and
recruit
businesses.
The
same
conversation
comes
up
about
housing.
So
until
we
build
the
housing
that
brings
the
cost
down,
then
we
won't
get
the
jobs
to
help.
You
know
it's
just
a
whole
Circle
yeah.
C
So
one
thing
I
wanted
to
ask
this
commission,
so
the
chamber
hosted
this
event
at
rhubarb
a
couple
weeks
ago
and
it
was
well
attended.
It
was
so
attended
that
they
actually
maxed
out
and
there
were
a
lot
of
people,
dozens
of
people
that
didn't
get
to
share
their
input
or
feel
heard
and
I
wasn't
sure
how
or
where.
In
this
you
know
many
layers
of
city
and
government
and
nonprofits.
C
If
there
was
another
Avenue
for
more
people
to
be
heard
and
I
wondered
if
this
commission
might
want
to
host
an
agenda
item
on
the
state
of
downtown,
where,
if
businesses
might
want
to
use
this
as
an
opportunity
to
share
their
input,
I
wasn't
sure
but
I
thought
I'd
suggest
it
to
you
all
for
consideration.
You.
A
You
brought
that
up,
and
this
is
something
that
we've
started
to
kick
around
as
a
commission
and
I'm
wondering
if
we,
instead
of
using
it
even
in
a
meeting
if
we
have
a
special
meeting
somewhere
else
in
a
larger
venue.
If
that
would
be
yeah
better
attended,
because
you
know
we
can
advertise
how
we
want
to
they're
not
going
to
necessarily
come
to
this
right.
But
you
know
maybe
the
DTC,
in
conjunction
with
some
folks
on
council,
could
advertise
and
we
could
have
something:
a
different
venue.
Maybe
a.
D
A
Venue,
and-
and
we
could-
we
could
bring
some
of
this
together-
maybe
in
conjunction
with
air
in
the
Ada
we
could.
We
could
put
something
together
that
allowed
people
to
just.
C
C
I
think
when
we
were
looking
at
being
virtual
or
in
person,
we
said
we
might
do
something
like
this
right.
Wasn't
that
this
commission.
That
said,
let's
go
in
person
because
we
have
some
pretty
in-depth
conversations,
but
let's
also
have
the
ability
to
have
like
a
outside
meeting
that
isn't
so
formal.
A
E
And
things
I
think
that,
and
you
brought
this
up
and
Sage
I,
think
we've
got
to
take
advantage
of
the
momentum
that
is
occurring
right
now.
There
is
a
lot
that
is
in
place
and
we've
got
the
right,
Council
representative
on
this
body
in
this
body
of
sage,
everything
you're
doing
right
now
to
help
push
these
downtown
issues.
You
know
a
lot
of
business
owners
are
not
aware
of.
What's
going
on,
I've
walked
down
the
street
last
week
with
someone.
A
E
E
E
It's
just
gonna,
you
know
people
are
going
to
continue
to
wine
and
but
I
think
again.
We
need
to
take
advantage
of
the
momentum.
That's
happening
right
now.
Now
it's.
D
A
It's
both
I
mean
because
there
are
other
things
going
on
that
I
didn't
know
about
until
I.
Read
that
article
and
Watchdog
and
I
mean
I
knew
some
of
it.
A
home,
Church,
Street
I've,
seen
it
it's
changed
over
the
last
two
or
three
years,
and.
A
We
don't
have
a
link
right,
we
don't
have
a
blank
check.
We
want
to
get
a
blank
check,
but
that's
the
best
case
is
seven
years
away
from
fixing
it
in
terms
of
police
Staffing,
which
is
like
okay,.
F
C
To
more
of
stop,
Gap
Solutions,
like
we
mentioned
with
Public,
Safety
being
or
Public
Works
being
down
so
much
and
Contracting
out
cleaning
over
in
housing,
we're
low
staff,
so
we're
Contracting
with
people
that
can
do
these
housing
studies
like
is
there
a
stop?
Gap
solution
for
Public,
Safety
and
ambassadors
I
have
no
idea
but
I'm
trying
to
get
us
into
the
space
of
what
do
we
do?
In
the
meantime,
yeah.
A
C
When
we're
losing
businesses,
I'm
hearing
from
businesses,
I'm
hearing
from
businesses
that
have
decided
to
close
up
shop
in
downtown
and
relocate
to
another
area
of
town,
we
are
hearing
from
them,
and
that
is
not
what
we
want.
They
are
local
businesses.
Another
item
that
has
come
up
that
may
need
to
be
on
y'all's
radar
is
the
idea
of
and
potential
discussion
of,
a
business
improvement
district.
If
you're
not
familiar,
you
may
want
to
educate
yourselves.
The
chamber
is
hosting
a
feasibility
study,
I
think
over
a
two
or
three
week
period.
It
starts
this
month.
C
They
expect
to
have
it
done
by
the
end
of
next
month.
I
think
I'm
encouraging
them
to
do
vast
input
and
sourcing
and
Outreach
and
all
of
the
things,
because
if
it's
going
to
swell
up
real
quickly
with
this
momentum
and
come
to
council
we're
going
to
need
a
lot
of
input,
then
technically
the
bid
already
exists.
It
was
granted
into
ordinance.
It
has
never
been
given
its
tax,
allocate
I,
don't
even
know
what
the
proper
language
is.
It's
not
been
awarded
the
tax,
so
we
don't
have
to
go
through
the
hole
like
should.
C
E
So
chair
I
would
like
to
recommend
that
the
downtown
commission
form
a
committee
that
can
meet
and
formulate
ideas
for
our
next
meeting
that
discuss
what
a
potential
this
public
meeting
might
look
like
and
then
communicate
that
with
staff
and
get
their
input
and
see
what
the
viability
of
it
might
be.
E
C
Right
and
I
will
say
having
attended
that
chamber
event,
we
heard
from
some
of
the
larger
businesses
larger
larger.
You
know,
and
this
commission
had
the
subcommittee
of
the
living
local
living
working
business
economy.
I
can't
remember
the
name
and
we
did
the
downtown
census
and
that
downtown
census
told
us
for
the
four
years.
We
did
it
that
the
majority
of
our
businesses
are
under
1500
square
feet
and
under
five
employees.
That's
who
I
want
to
hear
from
right,
not.
C
Other
thing
that
I
want
to
share
on
behalf
of
Dana
and
Andrew
that
both
couldn't
be
here
and
I
didn't
realize
it.
The
three
of
us
had
been
discussing
bringing
back
up
the
potential
for
merchandise
sales
in
the
business
district,
which
is
Loosely
what
we're
calling
buskers
being
able
to
sell,
CDs
and
and
t-shirts
yeah
just
being
able
to
earn
revenues,
and
for
those
of
you
that
weren't
here
when
this
was
happening,
we
I
went
through
this
big
Busker
planning
program.
C
Thing
staff
was
probably
part
of
it
and
identified
spaces
in
the
downtown
where
they
could
bust.
So
they
wouldn't
be
too
close
because
it
was
so
active
and
there
were
so
many
bus
goes
and
everywhere
you
went
downtown.
There
was
live,
music
and
jugglers
and
Poets
and
stuff
all
that's
gone,
and
they
warned
us
that
they
would
leave.
E
E
E
D
C
You
send
me
summary
details
and
stuff
I'll
make
sure
to
keep
letting
Council
know
that
we're
doing
things
and
bringing.
D
A
C
In
this
room,
I
was
sitting
right
there
and
I
said
we
had
a
what
we're
now
calling
agenda
briefing
sessions
like
little
work
sessions
leading
up
to
all
the
names.
I.
Don't
know
all
the
we're
before
a
council
meeting
historically,
and
we
have
a
council
meeting
on
a
Tuesday
five
days
before
it
on
a
Thursday.
Every
councilwoman
would
have
an
opportunity
to
sit
with
staff
and
say
I,
see
this
on
the
agenda.
I,
don't
remember
that
what
did
this
person
get
contacted
so
on?
C
You
know
just
kind
of
brief
themselves,
so
we
have
now
moved
that
to
a
public
meeting,
it's
every
Thursday
before
council
meeting.
It
happened
in
this
room
yesterday
and
much
like
you
all
just
added
to
your
agenda
via
a
conversation,
that's
similar
to
how
Council
does
right.
You
can't
I
can't
just
be
like
Ice
Age
want
an
agenda
item.
C
It
has
to
have
some
support,
so
I
requested
that
the
environment
and
energy
environment
and
Public
Safety
Committee
I,
think
is
the
new
name
more
acronyms
Eeps
I
requested
that
they
take
on
an
item
that
was
specific
to
the
chief's
request
at
our
Retreat.
So
the
chief
did
give
us
some
ideas
around
how
he
could
better
populate
a
police
department.
C
One
of
the
concerns
was,
it
was
going
to
take
so
long
and
that's
beholden
to
a
b
Tech's
certification
program,
and
he
said
some
police
departments
have
their
own
in-house
school
and
they
just
certify
people
all
year
round
and
I.
Think
that's
great,
so
I
asked
the
committee,
the
eepps
whatever
to
look
into
that
item
and
to
bring
back
and
the
city
manager
was
there
and
to
bring.
Is
that
feasible?
Is
it
an
option?
C
Is
it
require
a
new
facility
like
what
does
that
even
look
like
yep
and
it
sounded
like
it's
possible,
but
but
you
know
I'm
sure
it
will
not
be
without
cost
I
think
what
we
are
I
know
I'm
meeting
with
the
chief
again
soon
it's
just
more
of
a
what
can
be
done,
but
we
are
absolutely
talking
about
it.
We
have
a
whole
committee,
that's
talking
about
it.
I
hope
you
turn
into
that
tune
into
that.
Do
you
watch
that?
C
Okay,
it
might
be
a
really
good
one
for
you
to
watch
as
because
I
know
you're
really
in
tune
and
concerned,
and
they
have
a
lot
of
information.
Then
it
comes
to
me
afterwards,
but
I'm
going
to
start
tuning
in
and
maybe
attending
as
well.
I
think
there's
definitely
Awareness
on
Council
that
there's
a
problem
and
that
we
can't
ignore
it
and
we're
still
trying
to
understand
completely
what
it
is
and
what
our
role
is.
But
I
can't
go
and
say
we
need
more
officers,
I
mean
it's.
C
We
hire
a
city
manager
who
hires
a
chief
who
populates
the
police
department
so
on
a
policy
level.
We're
looking
at
you
know,
can
we
create
facilities
for
you
to
grow
faster?
Can
we
create
policies
or
give
better
wages?
Can
we
help
Implement
bonuses
and
sign
on
and
all
of
these
things?
Can
we
incentivize
our
Housing
Programs
to
include
spaces
for
officers
to
live
when
a
developer
calls
me
and
says:
I
have
a
project,
it's
a
million
square
feet
in
downtown.
Can
you
tell
them?
C
You
know
I
want
six
officers
there,
that
kind
of
stuff,
because
it's
really
all
we
can
do
and
then
be
vocally.
Supportive
and
I
will
say.
I
was
very
vocally.
Supportive
of
the
police
chief
I
thanked
him
personally
and
all
of
the
officers
that
have
stayed
with
us
that
long
I
thank
them
in
our
Retreat
and
I
noted
that
the
media
chose
not
to
share
that.
So
council
is
appreciative
of
our
police
department,
whether
it
makes
the
headlines
or
not.
A
D
A
City
council
appointments
are
scheduled,
so
we
have
two
seats,
one
for
Kimmy
and
one
for
geo
and
I
have
nine
applications
that
I've
sorted
through
I.
Think
I'm
I'm
ready
to
make
my
recommendations
and
then
city
council
can
choose
who
they
want
to.
They
don't
have
to
go
with
my
recommendations
and
that
will
be
next
week
and
then.
A
Ruth
do
what
yeah
I
did
too.
She
had
to
send
her
application
and
yeah,
so
the
County's
application
process
ends
today.
So
if.
D
A
Out
there
is
watching
and
you
would
like
to
there's
a
there's
one,
so
we
have
the
applications
are
closed
for
the
city
seat.
Those
two
seats,
the
county
application
process
closes
today.
D
A
A
Any
questions
on
that
and
I'm
happy
to
discuss
the
applications
with
go
to
put
is
very
welcome.
Okay,
so
our
design,
Review
Committee
for
March
16th
is
canceled.
We
have
a
virtual
one
on
the
23rd
to
talk
about
the
preliminary
project
Aspire.
There
is
a
public
management
task
force
meeting
at
on
March
29th
upstairs
and
our
next
meeting
is
April
13th,
that's
all
I.
Have
you
wouldn't
have
anything
else,
I
think
we're
doing
pretty
good.