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A
You
first
item
on
the
agenda,
will
be
the
approval
of
the
minutes
from
the
November
2nd
2022
meeting.
Any
questions
comments
about
that.
D
A
Aye
any
opposed
nope
motion
passes.
We
have
one
item
on
our
agenda
tonight
that
we
will
be
continuing
until
date.
Certain
of
January
4th.
That
is,
the
request
to
amend
the
conditional
zoning
ordinance
from
property
located
at
254
Inca
Heritage
Parkway
do
I
have
a
motion
to
continue
that
to
January
4th.
A
Right
I
will
I'll
second,
that
we
have
Motion
in
a
second
all
those
in
favor
say
aye
aye,
any
opposed
reception
passes
all
right.
The
next
item
on
our
agenda
or
the
first
item
now
on
the
agenda,
is
a
presentation
from
the
planning
and
Urban
Design
regarding
the
African-American
African-American
Heritage
resource
survey
and
the
Burton
Street
architectural
survey
and
I
believe
Miss
Alex
Cole
will
be
doing
that
good.
F
Evening
good
evening,
thank
you,
chair
Archibald
and
members
of
the
commission.
My
name
is
Alex
Cole
I'm,
the
historic
preservation
planner
for
our
department
and
I'm
here
today.
Just
to
give
a
quick
update
on
a
couple
of
projects,
we've
been
working
on
and
have
completed
recently.
We
don't
often
times
bring
our
architectural
survey
project
completion
updates
to
you
all.
F
You
might
have
seen
these
in
the
Press.
We
did
present
them
to
the
African-American
Heritage
commission,
the
historic
researchers,
commission,
ped
and
Council,
but
we,
since
we
don't
typically
present
these
to
the
planning
zoning
commission-
that's
why
you
guys
were
missed
in
that
cycle
of
presentations,
but
I.
Believe,
commissioner,
our
chair
Archibald
asked
for
for
an
update,
so
I'm
going
to
go
through
these
slides,
pretty
briefly
and
then
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
all
have
on
this
work.
F
F
This
is
a
first.
This
particular
scope
of
work
was
a
first
phase
in
what
will
be
an
ongoing
effort
to
document
historic
resources
related
to
African-American
history
in
Asheville
and
Buncombe
County.
The
HRC
is
a
joint
City
County
body,
so
we
are
tasked
with
doing
work
throughout
the
county,
and
this
is
a
great
opportunity
for
us
to
elevate
history
for
underrepresented
communities
that
haven't
that
we
haven't
traditionally
looked
at
specifically
from
a
historic
preservation
lens,
so
we're
really
trying
to
tell
a
more
complete
and
inclusive
Narrative
of
our
Collective
history.
F
The
survey
it
the
deliverables
that
come
out
of
survey
project
are
a
pretty
detailed
historical
narrative,
as
well
as
specific
data
sets
that
come
out
in
terms
of
like
looking
at
individual
historic
buildings
or
resources,
sites
Etc
within
our
built
environment,
and
that
information
is
used
for
a
variety
of
purposes.
Probably
most
typical,
it
will
be,
will
be
historic
designations
that
come
out
of
those
ident
property
identifications,
but
then
they
also
can
inform
other
planning
projects
didn't
realize
how
dark
it
was
in
here.
F
Thank
you.
I
can
I
can
see
a
little
bit
better
with
my
old
eyeballs
and
as
I'll
talk
about
in
a
minute
with
the
Burton
Street
survey.
They
can
inform
other
projects
we
work
on
in
the
planning
department.
We
are
actually
going
to
draft
a
pattern
book
for
the
Burton
Street
neighborhood,
and
so
we
are
going
to
use
the
architectural
survey
we
just
finished
for
that
neighborhood
to
inform
the
pattern
book.
F
So
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
that
in
a
minute,
so
just
a
brief
overview
of
what
I'll
talk
through
I'm
gonna
I
like
to
start
with
what
specifically
an
architectural
survey
is
because
a
lot
of
folks
that
don't
work
within
the
field
of
preservation,
don't
aren't
familiar
with
that
language
and
then
I'm
going
to
talk
about
some
background
on
the
project,
next
steps
and
then
again
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
or
provide
any
additional
info
to
you
all.
F
So
an
architectural
survey
I
think
the
word
survey
is
a
little
bit
of
a
misnomer.
I
would
say
it's
more
of
an
inventory.
Part
of
what
preservation
commissions
are
tasked
with
in
North.
Carolina
is
is
maintaining
an
inventory
of
historic
resources
within
their
jurisdiction,
so
it's
really
just
us
physically,
going
out
into
the
field
or
hiring
a
consultant
to
go
out
into
the
field
into
the
community
and
identify
historic
resources
that
are
important
to
us
and
those
are
generally
considered
to
be
places
that
are
50
years
or
older
again.
F
F
So
we
started
this
work
back
in
so,
like
I
said,
the
historic
Resources
Commission
is
the
body
that,
by
by
state
legislature,
is
tasked
with
doing
this
type
of
work.
We
looked
at
our
GIS
data
back
starting
back
in
2018,
as
we
were,
considering
kind
of
a
bigger
bigger
projects
to
work
on
under
our
historic
preservation
program.
You
can
pretty
clearly
see
and
I'll
show
you
on.
The
next
slide
are
the
gis
data
available
for
historic
resources
via
the
state
historic
preservation
office.
F
You
can
see
some
pretty
big
gaps
in
our
historically
black
neighborhoods,
so
where
we
haven't
surveyed
in
the
past
survey,
work
started
back
in
the
1970s,
and
so
we
identified
some.
You
know
specific
neighborhoods,
where
we
hadn't
focused
our
survey
work
in
the
past,
based
on
just
kind
of
like
our
cursory.
You
know
very
rough
count
of
looking
at
Aerials
on
the
gis
data.
We
estimate
that
city-wide,
there's
probably
about
about
600
resources
that
we
have
yet
to
survey
specifically
related
to
African-American
history.
So
we
have
a
lot
of
work
to
do.
F
This
was
again
a
first
phase
recognizing
that
the
budget
that
we
had
is
pretty
limited.
So
we
don't,
we
don't
have
a
lot
to
cover
the
entire
city,
so
we
formed
a
focus
group
to
help
inform
where
the
into
individual
resources
we
would
survey
came
out
of.
Typically,
we
would
do
it
by
a
given
area
or
neighborhood,
but
we
looked
at
the
entire
city
and
did
probably
10
or
so
resources
within
each
neighborhood.
That
was
identified
by
the
focus
group
and
our
total
project
budget
was
only
25
200,
part
of
which
was
Grant
funded.
F
We
contracted
with
Owen
and
East
Lake
for
the
first
round
of
survey
back
in
2019.
They
are
a
firm
based
out
of
Ohio
again.
This
is
just
a
snapshot
of
the
historic
preservation
office,
their
GIS
that
we
use
to
identify
areas
where
or
look
at
where
historic
resources
have
been
identified.
All
the
blue,
dots
and
blue
boundaries
are
National
register,
districts
and
properties,
and
the
yellow
shapes
are
surveyed
properties.
F
Unfortunately,
it
was
not
the
product
we
were
hoping
for,
so
we
went
back
to
the
drawing
board
and
decided
to
hire
a
local
consultant
to
help
us
revise
the
entire
report.
Some
pretty
lengthy
reports,
almost
170
pages,
so
it
was
a
lot
of
work-
probably
would
have
been
easier
for
the
consultant
to
start
from
scratch,
but
we
didn't
have
a
budget
for
that.
F
So
so
the
draft
survey
report
was
submitted
to
us
earlier
this
year
and
we
just
published
it
last
or
in
October
now
so
it's
out
there
in
the
world
and
we
hope
people
will
read
it
and
use
it.
It's
a
really
wonderful
document
that
gives
us
overarching
historic
Narrative
of
African-American
history
here,
but
then
goes
neighborhood
by
neighborhood
and
talks
about
the
evolution
of
those
neighborhoods
and
the
impacts
of
time
on
those
places.
F
So
it's
a
really
it's
a
really
useful
document,
as
well
as
I,
think
being
extremely
informative
for
all
of
us
to
better
understand
our
the
history
of
our
community
and
the
survey
data
that
all
gets
routed
to
the
state,
historic
preservation
office
and
they
input
that
into
their
Gis
for
us.
F
So
this
says
next
steps,
but
we've
already
done
these,
or
at
least
the
first
one.
We
did
press
releases
back
in
October
for
this
project
and
the
Burton
Street
projects,
as
well
as
publish
the
report.
There's
a
link
to
the
report
here.
If
you'd
like
to
are
interested
in
reading
it-
and
so
our
next
step
in
this
will
be
identifying
the
next
phase
of
work,
whether
it's
looking
you
know,
so
you
know
going
neighborhood
by
neighborhood
or
perhaps
there's
grant
opportunities
that
are.
F
You
know
big
enough
pots
of
money
where
we
could
potentially
go
city-wide
and
finish
the
survey
work.
So
that's.
What
we'll
do
next
is
look
at
those
two
look
at
those
two
things-
and
this
is
just
a
recap
of
the
key
takeaways
I'm
not
going
to
go
back
through
this
slide.
But
if
you
have
any
questions
about
this
work,
happy
to
answer.
A
Thank
you,
Miss
Cole
I
did
look,
I
didn't
read
every
bit
of
the
survey,
but
it
is,
it
was
a
very
good.
You
know
gave
a
lot
of
very
good
descriptions
about.
You
know
why
Asheville
looks
the
way
it
does
now.
You
know
and
and
I
think
it's
very
will
help
be
very
informative.
As
you
know,
the
city
and
this
commission
and
other
planning
groups
look
at
of
Redevelopment
and
parts
of
our
city
and
go
oh.
What
is
what
did
happen
here?
F
Yeah
I
think
it
gives
a
good
the
information,
while
the
the
report
is
meant
to
elevate
African-American
contributions
to
our
community
and
and
to
highlight
the
institutions
that
were
part
of
our
African-American
neighborhoods.
It
also,
then,
has
obviously
the
layer
of
urban
renewal
built
upon
it,
so
that
you
can
reflect
on
that
and
understand
how
it
affected
our
built
environment.
Obviously
you
can
go
out
and
physically
look
at
it
every
day.
A
F
But
it
kind
of
weaves
those
two
things
together
in
a
very
personal
way:
I
think
where
you
can
people
can
easily
relate
to
it,
and
this
isn't
part
of
this
presentation.
But
if
you
haven't
read,
we
also
just
took
through
the
Walton
Street
Park
and
Pool
Lego
Landmark
designation
to
city
council,
which
some
of
you
may
have
seen
in
the
news.
F
Also,
if
you
haven't
read
that
designation
report,
I
would
recommend
reading
it
too,
because
it
really
talks
through
how
how
hard
the
South,
Side,
neighborhood
and
wider
African-American
Community
had
to
fight
for
that
pool
and
how
it
compares
to
other
pools
and
white,
neighborhoods
and
I.
Think
it
really.
F
You
know,
as
I
probably
will
be
eye
opening
for
a
lot
a
lot
of
folks,
so
great
great
information
to
pass
up
pass
around.
If
you.
A
A
D
E
Thank
you
very
much
for
that
I
appreciate
it
is
the
consultant
who
did
the
original
survey
doing
any
other
surveys
for
us.
Had
we
spent
25
000
and
it
didn't
work
out,
I
mean
no
I'm,
not
attacking
you.
I'm
just.
F
No,
it
was
I,
won't
go
into
detail,
but
it
was
a.
It
was
a
fraught
RFP
process.
We
ended
up
being
pretty
limited
with
our
proposals,
I
think,
partly
because
our
budget
was
so
small
and
we
did
have
an
advisory
committee.
You
know
steering
that
through
who
supported
that
consultant
at
the
time
and
I
I
think
we
were
all
completely
thrown
by
them.
That.
E
F
F
Do
appreciate
it
sure
thank
you,
okay,
so
the
Burton
Street
survey,
so
Todd
okolo
Cheney,
as
well
as
other
members
of
our
staff
and
transportation
Etc,
our
communication
staff.
Lots
of
us
have
been
engaged
with
the
Burton
Street
Community
Association
over
the
past
for
more
years.
In
relation
to
the
mitigation
plan
for
I-26
and
and
as
part
of
that,
you
know,
obviously,
that
the
planning
Department's
trying
to
Shepherd
some
of
the
or
put
some
of
the
goals
in
motion
and
strategies
into
motion
and
help
get
some
of
those
things
accomplished.
F
There
are
some
and,
if
you
ever
look
at
their
plan,
there's
some
that
are
designated
to
the
dot
and
some
that
are
City
have
City
ownership
of
them.
So
it's
our
it's
our
job
to
get
those
get
those
efforts
done.
So
at
some
point
a
pattern
book
was
determined
to
be
the
desire
of
the
neighborhood
that
was
prior
to
my
involvement
with
the
Community
Association.
F
So
I'm
not
I,
couldn't
really
explain
how
that
conversation
exactly
came
about,
except
for
that
the
one
of
the
one
of
the
concerns
of
the
neighborhood
is
some
of
the
more
insensitive
infill
that's
happening
there
and
that
was
identified
or
pointed
out
to
us
by
the
community
members
that
have
lived
there
for
a
long
time
that
some
of
the
building
typologies
they're
seeing
now
are
not
necessarily
contextual
with
the
historic
character
of
the
neighborhood.
F
So
so,
as
there's
been
multiple
surveys
for
this
neighborhood
over
the
years
because
of
the
continued
impacts
of
26,
however,
we
really
needed
a
specific
survey
product
for
creating
a
pattern
book.
Most
architectural
surveys.
Don't
don't
spin
out
this
whole
very
detailed
information
if
you
will
or
breakouts
of
individual
architectural
Styles
and
all
of
their
contributing
features.
So
that's
what
we
really
needed
from
this
in
order
to
adequately
build
the
pattern
book,
because
we
are
planning
to
do
that
in-house
versus
Source
it
out.
F
It's
our
understanding
that
pattern
books
can
cost
between
60
and
a
hundred
thousand
dollars.
So
we
don't
that's.
We
want
to
create
a
digital
platform
or
digital
resource,
and
we
think
we
can
do
that
in-house
with
the
Urban
Design
capacity
that
we
have
in
our
department,
all
right
so
just
brief
overview,
I'm
going
to
talk
about
background
timeline
and
then
where
we
are
now.
F
This
is
the
background.
I
think
I've
just
skipped
over
the
whole
overview
slide
and
gave
me
the
background,
but,
like
I
was
saying
what
the
plan
does
include
goals
and
strategies
related
to
mitigating
and
sensitive
info.
We
don't
have
a
lot
in
North
Carolina,
a
lot
of
tools
that
we
can
use
to
control
single
family
development.
F
It's
really
local
historic
preservation,
overlay
that
does
that
and
that
may
not
be
desirable
for
every
neighborhood
because
it
can
come
with
it
can
come
with
Pros,
but
can
also
come
with
cons
such
as
higher
maintenance
costs
for
homeowners.
It
tends
to
raise
property
values
which
can
be
good,
but
not
good.
If
people
are
trying
to
stay,
you
know
for
trying
to
prevent
displacement,
so
that
was
you
know
not
the
direction
that
the
neighborhood
wanted
to
go.
F
Understandably,
so,
we've
been
looking
at
the
idea
of
this
pattern
book
and
then
also
potentially
a
conservation
overlay.
It's
one
tool
that
we
do
have
it's
still
a
little
bit
limiting,
because
it's
really
mostly
Building
height
setback,
there's
not
a
ton.
You
can
limit
within
that,
but
it
may
be
something
that
we
would
still
want
to
consider.
The
neighborhood
would
want
to
consider
as
the
next
step.
F
F
So
they
partnered
with
us
back
in
2021
to
work
on
this
with
them.
This
project
was
jointly
funded
by
the
Community
Association
and
our
department.
The
communication
had
gotten
a
grant,
but
from
Buncombe
County
that
they
then
passed
on
to
us
to
help
help
with
this
work.
There's
a
link
in
this
slide.
That's
pretty
interesting.
It's
for
Chattanooga.
F
In
terms
of
how
they
develop
their
properties,
this
is
just
a
screenshot
from
from
the
mychat
home
website
that
shows
kind
of
it's
just
one
example
of
a
page
where
they
talk
about
different
different
building,
details
of
a
specific
architectural
style.
F
So
we
started
this
back
in
the
spring
of
2021.
Snme
was
our
consultant
on
this
project.
They
submitted
the
draft
survey
report
to
us
earlier
this
year
and
we
finally
got
the
report
finalized
this
summer
and
we
will
probably
start
working
on
the
pattern
book
in
early
winter.
I
guess
we're
tiptoeing
into
winter.
You
know
it's
60
degrees
outside.
F
So
again
this
the
slide's
a
little
outdated,
but
we
have
already
done
the
press
release
for
this
project
and
published.
The
survey
report
is
like
I
said
it's
more.
It's
a
little.
F
It
does
have
an
overarching
historic,
historical
narrative,
but
it
is
a
more
technical
document
once
you
get
into
the
individual
architectural
style
section,
and
then
we
are
going
to
start
working
on
the
pattern
book
here
shortly
and
we'll
be
doing
some
Community
engagement
around
that
primarily
trying
to
you
know,
find
Avenues
to
get
that
product
out
there
once
we're
done
with
the
pattern
book
and
then
hopefully
getting
feedback
on
how
how
and
if
people
are
using
it.
Once
it's
published.
F
G
Oh,
thank
you
thanks
Cole,
that
was
really
excellent.
I
was
wondering
what
is
the
status
for
Burton
Street
neighborhood
as
far
as
historical
designation
is
it?
Is
it
based
on
the
neighborhood
or
the
building,
or
is
this
just
guidelines
for
developers
or
is
it
something
that'll
get
triggered
and
review?
No.
F
It's
just
guidelines.
Like
I
said
we
really
are
limited
for
single
family.
It
has
to
have
some
kind
of
pre
like
preservation,
overlay,
District
added
to
it,
which
you
know
we
would
support
them.
I
think
if
that
that's
something
that
they
wanted
to
pursue,
but
to
this
point
I
think
that's
not
what
they
want
to
pursue.
They
want
to
try
to
influence
design
and
these
try
to
influence
design
in
these
other
ways
and
I'd
be
interested
to
see
how
it
works.
F
You
know
it
could
be
a
good
pilot
for
some
other
neighborhoods
that
don't
want
a
preservation
overlay
but
are
also
concerned
about
you
know
insensitive
or
you
know,
whatever
their
concerns
are
about
the
types
of
infield
they're
seeing
I
don't
know,
if
instance,
insensitive
is
always
the
right
way
to
characterize
it,
and
maybe
not
contextual,
but
no
there
won't.
There
won't
be
a
trigger
for
anything.
It'll.
F
Who
might
be,
let's
see,
look
you
know
helping
people
with
lots
in
that
neighborhood
Cindy,
probably
trying
to
engage
the
current
property
owners,
because
there
are
quite
a
number
of
vacant
Parcels
in
Burton
Street,
so
trying
to
you
know,
engage
that
group
and
make
sure
they're
aware
of
it,
so
that
you
know
we're
just
basically
doing
kind
of
a
Grassroots
effort.
I
guess
is
is
more
so
what
we're
doing.
E
E
F
A
Yeah,
it
makes
me
think
about
the
the
Adu
guidelines
that
little
pamphlet
that
DSD
has
you
know.
Maybe
it's
something
that
you
know
if
anybody
comes,
and
you
know.
A
A
F
A
Well
again,
I
think
this
is
great.
I
mean
you
know,
there
was
a
seems
like
there
have
been
several
books
about.
You
know
smaller
books.
Talking
about
you
know
other
neighborhoods
in
the
city,
and
so
it's
good
to
see
that
we're
kind
of
kind
of
encompassing
every
neighborhood,
not
just
certain
ones,
so
yeah.
F
No,
we've
really
tried
our
historic
preservation
programs.
Pretty
robust
and
we've
tried
really
hard
since
2018
to
you
know,
make
a
left.
We
really
needed
to
shift
our
program
and
focus
on
some
of
the
communities
parts
of
our
community
that
we
haven't
focused
on
specifically
in
the
past
and
so
so
yeah
we've.
We
have
a
lot
left
to
do,
but
we
proud
to
have
gotten
these
across
the
Finish
Line,
the
African-American
Heritage
survey
in
particular,
since
it
took
us
the
better
part
of
four
years
to
get
it
finished.
So.
I
A
We've
got
only
one
thing
left
on
the
agenda
tonight
and
that
is
a
request
to
conditionally
rezone
property
located
at
157
and
99999
new
Leicester
Highway
from
residential
multi-family,
high
density,
rm16
and
Highway
business
HB
to
residential
expansion.
Conditional
Zone
res
exp
CZ
properties
are
identified
by
the
pins
noted
in
the
Buncombe
County
tax
record.
The
property
owner
is
Cohen,
esri,
Development
Group,
the
applicant
contact
is
Warren
Sugg
and
the
planar
coordinating
review
is,
will
pumpest.
It's
compost.
B
Here
you
can
see
the
existing
and
proposed
zoning
existing
on
the
left
outlined
in
red
is
the
the
two
properties
comprising
the
site.
It's
currently
split
zone
between
HB,
Highway,
business
and
rm16,
residential
multi-family,
high
density
and
then
due
to
the
size
of
the
proposed
project,
a
rezoning
to
the
residential
expansion
conditional
zone
is
required,
and
this
aerial
map
gives
you
a
sense
of
the
surrounding
context
of
the
site.
B
B
There's
also
approximately
150
parking
spaces
proposed
as
part
of
the
projects.
That
number
might
be
in
flux
a
little
bit
due
to
some
of
the
site
constraints
with
aquatic
buffers
and
other
environmental
features
on
the
site.
So
that
is
kind
of
an
estimate
at
this
point,
but
the
minimum
identified
and
required
would
be
141
parking
spaces
which
is
based
on
the
number
of
units.
B
Five
foot
wide
sidewalks
are
proposed
internal
to
the
site.
Landscaping
standards
apply
such
as
Street
trees,
parking
lots,
building
impact,
screening
and
property
line.
Buffers
open
space
is
required
at
a
rate
of
20
percent
of
the
site
which
the
project
complies
with
and
tree.
Canopy
preservation
standards
are
met
on
site
through
the
preservation
of
existing
tree
canopy.
B
This
is
the
landscape
plan,
so
you
get
a
sense
of
the
street
tree
plantings
along
the
Leicester
Highway
and
then
the
various
parking
lot
and
building
impacts
plantings
around
the
parking
lot.
One
thing
to
mention
on
this
plan
is
that
the
applicant
is
Seeking
a
technical
modification
for
having
no
type
a
property
buffer,
which
is
typically
a
20
foot
wide
buffer.
B
That
would
exist
along
any
residentially
zoned
property
adjacent
to
the
site,
which
would
be
kind
of
along
the
western
side
of
the
site
along
Ascension
drive,
and
then
this
portion
of
the
the
northern
part
of
the
site
as
well.
B
B
Here
you
can
see
the
the
building
elevations,
the
main
building
elevation
along
new
Leicester
highways
is
at
the
bottom
here
and
then
the
ones
on
the
on
the
top
of
the
page,
such
as
the
side
elevations,
give
a
sense
of
how
that
site,
how
the
building
is
situated
into
that
slope
of
the
site,
and
then
this
elevation,
the
second
one
down,
shows
the
the
rear
portion
of
the
building
that
faces,
the
interior
of
the
parking
lot
or
the
site
towards
the
parking
lot.
B
So
as
far
as
conditions
for
the
project,
as
mentioned
earlier,
20
of
the
units
are
designated
to
be
affordable,
80
area
median
income
for
a
minimum
of
20
years
and
half
of
those
affordable
units
would
accept
housing,
Choice
vouchers,
and
then
there
are
a
few
technical
modifications
of
the
project.
That's
seeking
through
the
conditional
zoning
process,
the
first
of
which,
as
mentioned,
is
a
modification
to
allow
for
no
landscape
offered
buffer,
where
it
would
be
required
along
the
western
property
boundary
which
would
be
a
type.
B
B
B
A
All
right,
thank
you,
Mr
Palmquist,
one,
quick
one
in
the
pre-meeting.
We
were
talking
a
little
bit
about
this
and
about
the
parking
yeah
you
mentioned
that
it
so
right
now
in
the
project
conditions,
it's
saying
it
will
include
a
minimum
of
155
total
parking
spaces.
Is
that
number
day
or
might
that
so.
B
I
think
the
latest
work
goes
to
council,
correct,
I,
think
the
latest
version
should
note
that
a
minimum
of
141
spaces
would
be
required,
so
that
would
be
kind
of
the
Baseline
which
is
based
off
the
required
amount
of
parking
per
unit,
but
around
150
is
what
the
applicant
is
is
shooting
for.
Okay
still
have
some
details,
work
out
with
site
engineering
and
storm
water
folks
regarding
those
aquatic
buffers
and
what
could
be
possible
or
not
on
the
site.
A
B
Yeah
that
sometimes
the
detail
worked
out
more
in
the
permitting
stage
of
the
process.
We
don't
always
have
that
to
review,
but
I
think
it's
important
for
the
applicant
to
know
that
Landscaping
is
required
for
for
retaining
walls
and
would
be
required
when
they
go
for
their
their
retaining
Mall
permit
and
other
site
permits
all
right.
Thank.
A
You
any
questions,
comments
from
Commissioners.
E
Yes,
thank
you
will
I
know
this
is
a
systematic
design,
but
you
know:
there's
only
one
entrance
and
exit
to
this
building
I'd
be
surprised
that
the
fire
marshal
will
be
happy
with
that.
I
feel
like
that
that
elevation
is
going
to
have
to
change
with
more
entrances
and
exits
for
there
being
four
five
levels
of
just
one
lobby
entrance
I
know
that's
not
a
big
deal,
but
that
will
change
the
layout
of
the
parking
and
the
elevation
so
just
a
little
concerned
about
one
door
for
a
big
building.
B
Yeah
regarding
the
drive
number
of
driveway
entrances-
okay,
yep
I-
don't
recall
that
being
an
issue
you
are.
You
are
correct
that,
depending
on
the
size
of
the
projects,
more
than
one
entrance
might
be
required
for
it.
I
can
pull
up
the
TRC
report
and
see
what
the
fire
department
noted
on
that.
Just
give
me
one
second
wait
were.
E
E
B
I
know
there
are
requirements
for
emergency
exits
and
areas
of
safe
dispersal,
I
believe
it's
called.
This
is
the
excerpt
of
the
building
inspections,
a
portion
of
the
technical
review
committee
staff
report,
so
I'm
not
seeing
any
comments
regarding
any
code
issues
with
with
the
entrances.
E
B
Sure
yeah,
no,
your
point
is
well
taken.
I,
don't
I,
believe
the
design
meets
the
code
or
it
would
have
been
flagged
during
during
TRC
review.
B
So
at
the
minimum
it's
meeting
the
building
code
based
on
on
SAS
review
of
the
project.
Okay,.
G
And
so
I
had
a
question
about
a
potential
20-foot
retaining
wall
within
the
15
foot,
building
setback
for
the
property
line.
At
that
pinch
point
at
the
parking
adjacent
to
the
building
next
to
Ascension
Drive.
Is
that
permitted
I?
Guess
that's
not
really
a
building,
because
that's
still
quite
a
substantial
structure
right
by
the
property
line.
B
Correct
yeah
the
set
the
required
15
foot,
setbacks
would
only
apply
to
the
building
itself.
Other
site
features
I
believe
are
allowed
for
the
most
part
in
that
setback.
I
think
part
of
that
would
probably
relate
more
to
like
the
the
landscape
buffer.
That's
that's
they're
asking
for
a
technical
modification
for
because
elements
like
parking
and
retainage
are
not
allowed
in
that
buffer.
B
So
it's
kind
of
related
to
your
question,
so
those
if,
if
the,
if
that
was
a
proposed
landscape,
offer
that
they're
trying
to
meet
the
code,
you
know
specifically
those
items
elements
would
not
be
allowed
in
that
buffer
since
they're
asking
for
that
to
be
waived.
B
D
C
B
Correct
so
I
believe
it's
being
proposed
is
a
five
foot
wide
sidewalk
for
a
portion
of
the
highway
I,
don't
know
the
exact
extent
of
it
off
top
of
my
head.
I
know
it
covers
the
section
in
front
of
the
site,
including
on
this
side
of
the
highway
I
believe
it
covers
both
sides
of
the
highway
as
well,
but
certainly
would
be
located
along
this
along
this
property.
Here.
B
One
of
the
requirements
for
a
project
to
be
allowed
to
pay
fee
and
Lou
in
the
first
place
is
that
a
project
is
funded
and
planned
to
be
under
construction
with
I
believe
two
years
of
of
the
permitting
for
a
project.
So
so
I
did
double
check
with
folks
in
transportation
that
the
project
does
qualify
for
that
fee
and
Lou
based
on
that
criteria.
So
it
would
be
within
about
two
years
at
least
of
of
the
project
being
permitted,
which
could
be
sooner.
C
My
thought
is
this:
is
the
closest
bus
stop
that
we're
using,
for
this
is
a
quarter
of
a
mile
away
and
if
there's
no
sidewalk
for
them
to
walk
to,
then
what's
the
point
of
putting
that
in
here,
yep
yep
and
then
in
the
the
TRC
staff
report.
They
also
asked
to
provide
a
p
hour
trip
generation
for
this.
Have
you
guys
got
that
yet.
B
I
have
not
seen
that
myself,
but
I
believe
that
would
be
based
on
whether
the
project
we
need
to
provide
a
a
traffic
import
impact
study
or
not,
and
my
understanding
is
that
that
kind
of
study
would
not
be
required.
So
I
believe
that
detail
has
been
worked
out
if
it
hasn't
worked
out.
Yet
it
would
be
worked
out
for
the
final
TRC
review
step,
but
as
of
now
I
believe
no
impact
study
is
required
for
this
project,
as
it
doesn't
meet
the
threshold
for
the
the
amount
of
traffic
generated
per
hour.
A
Actually,
to
answer
your
question
somewhat:
more
msby
bank
I
just
pulled
up
the
some
notes
from
multimodal
transit
today
and
the
project
list
and
the
new
Leicester
Highway
sidewalks.
It's
not.
Unfortunately,
this
little
list
here
is
not
giving
me
the
limits.
It
started
at
Patton
Avenue,
which
makes
sense.
It
doesn't
say
where
it's
ending,
but
it
was
funded.
It
was
supposed
to
have
started
this
year.
D
A
B
I
I've
got
just
a
follow-up
question
on
the
parking
it
does.
You
know
appear
that
has
presented
the
applicants
meeting
the
parking
requirement
of
the
Baseline
zoning
I'm
curious,
since
this
is
a
conditional
zoning.
I
Why
include
a
parking
minimum
at
all
and
the
reason
for
that
is
you
know?
What's
the
purpose
of
a
parking
minimum
for
this
particular
project?
I
can
understand.
In
some
cases
we
might
want
to
prevent,
say
overflow
parking
and
having
an
incursion
on
a
neighboring
residential
area
yeah
for
this
one
it
almost
feels
like
if
there
are
site
constraints
that
would
be
solved
by
a
further
reduction
in
parking.
Maybe
we
should
provide
that
flexibility
to
the
developer
without
coming
back
for
approval
of
a
lower
parking
ratio
right
yet.
B
Typically
and
I
agree
with
the
sentiment
for
sure
you
know
it's
one
could
argue
whether
parking
minimums
are
even
necessary,
given
the
vision
that
that
the
city
has
outlined
in
the
comprehensive
plan
and
other
documents,
so
the
value
of
minimum
parking
can
be
debated,
I
believe
we
just
we
put
the
minimum
in
there
in
the
project
conditions
to
show
that
show
that
the
required
code
will
be
satisfied,
so
it
doesn't
become
a
technical
modification,
something
that
applicants
typically
try
to
minimize
since
parking
can
be
a
kind
of
contentious
issue,
especially
for
new
development
projects.
B
So
I
think
we
provided
them
some
flexibility
by
by
stating
the
minimum
number
as
as
what's
required,
and
therefore
that
gives
them
some
flexibility
to
reduce
the
impact
of
that
parking
in
in
the
site
design
and
have
a
better
overall
design
site.
B
B
A
J
Good
evening,
Derek,
Allen
and
I'm
with
Alan
Stalin
Kilbourne
representing
the
developer
on
this,
and
we
do
have
Warren
sock
from
the
engineer
civil
Design
Concepts
here,
as
well
as
Clark
Mills
who's.
The
development
director
at
Cohen
esri
to
answer
any
kind
of
design,
questions,
I,
think
you're
right.
Most
of
the
questions
were
really
directed
towards
the
the
technical
parts
of
this
project,
which
would
be
Mr.
J
Sugg
I
did
want
to
follow
up
on
Mr
Barton's
question
and
will
and
I
have
been
talking
about
this
and
Janice
and
Brad
Branham
as
well
on
maybe
re-looking
at
what
we
include
in
as
conditions
I.
Think
things
that
are
already
set
out
in
the
ordinance
don't
have
any
real
place
in
the
in
the
conditions
because
they
end
up
being
confusing.
If
you
are
going
above
and
beyond.
J
What's
in
the
ordinance,
I
think
that's
a
proper
condition
or
if
you're,
asking
for
a
technical
modification
I
think
that's
a
condition
but
to
include
things
like
you
have
to
get
a
sign
or
you
have
to
comply
with
the
lighting
ordinance
that
you
already
have
to
do.
I
think
that
just
makes
it
cumbersome
and
brings
up
questions
like
that.
So
I
think
that
I
think
that's
a
good
point.
Mr
palmquist's
presentation
really
sets
out
what
this
is
about.
J
It's
a
pretty
straightforward
project,
I
didn't
want
to
add
in
that
we
are
in
the
luige
process
as
well
right
now
for
this
project,
it
qualifies
for
90
points
based
off
of
the
affordability
and
the
commitment
to
that.
The
rental
assistance
homeless
by
name
is
one
of
the
things
on
this
project.
The
location
also
add
to
that
and
I
do
like
the
fact
that
this
is
a
designated
Senior
Living.
That's
something
that
we're
missing
in
that
Marketplace.
That's
something!
That's
a
nice
add-on
with
this
particular
project.
J
We've
worked
with
with
staff
on
the
conditions
and
the
engineers
and
other
reporting
staff
on
conditions
to
make
sure
it's
tidy
as
we
go
through.
It's
lined
up
to
go
forward
through
both
HRC
and
Finance,
on
the
luige
being
on
I.
Think
a
February
city
council
agenda,
assuming
we
move
forward
past
this
process.
If
there
are
any
questions
that
are
more
geared
towards
conditions,
I'm
happy
to
answer
those
I
think
the
technical
questions
are
properly
directed
to
Mr,
Sugg
and
I
would
defer
to
him
on
those.
A
I
have
one
question:
Mr
Allen,
and
this
is
just
I-
haven't
actually
seen
this
in
a
while
the
last
one
about
the
conditional
zoning
being
valid
for
five
years,
and
then
we've
tried
to
steer
back
from
that.
I
didn't
know
if
there
was
any
extenuating
circumstances
why
you
all
were
asking
for
that
link
just.
J
The
market
now
and
and
that's
what
we've
been
when
talk
about
with
with
will
and
Brad
and
folks
on
that
we're
seeing
a
softening
of
that
and
you
know
whether
it's
three
years
four
years
five
years,
yeah
I,
don't
know
that
it
matters.
I,
do
have
a
follow-up
discussion
that
Miss,
Ashley
and
I
need
to
have
on
the
expiration
of
those
and
how
it
works
and
I've
got
a
good
example
for
you,
I.
J
Don't
think
that's
neither
here
nor
there
for
for
this
board,
but
city
council
has
been
regularly
approving
that
60
month
and
I.
Think
that's
with
an
eye
towards
the
current
lending
market
right
now,
because
we
don't
want
to
have
to
come
back
if
projects
get
stuck
like
they
did
in
in
the
mid
2000s
yeah.
A
H
J
H
The
American
I
was
also
thinking
that
the
D
and
Lou
should
be
in
here
as
a
condition,
even
though
it's
not
something
the
board
can
decide.
Yes
or
no.
It's.
When
you
look
at
a
site
plan
years
down
the
line,
you
say:
hey,
how
come
they
didn't
build
a
sidewalk,
the
staff
report
will
be
separate
and
the
conditions
are
what
goes
with
it.
So
I
think
adding
that
in
saying,
they're
they're
paying
a
fee
and
Lou,
because
the
city
is
doing
the
sidewalk
along
because
I
assume
your
set
plan
is
not
going
to
show
and.
J
That
would
that
yeah
and
that
one
wouldn't
bother
me,
although
I
would
say
that
that
one's
probably
already
in
there,
because
it
you
have
to
comply
with
the
TRC
report
and
the
recommendations
in
there
and
that's
going
to
be
in
there
so
yeah
it
that
one
doesn't
that
one
doesn't
concern
me
yeah,
and
this
is
the
perfect
project
for
that
that
fan
I
mean
this
really
is
like
this
is
what
it's
designed
for,
and
some
of
the
other
ones
I
know.
Miss
movinick
has
brought
them
up
on
other
other
projects.
I'm
like
yeah.
A
The
the
thing
I
was
focusing
on
with
the
the
parking
one
on
here
is
that
it's
you
know
the
condition
is
listing
more
slightly
more
than
the
minimum
as
opposed
to
you
know.
If
it
wasn't
in
there,
they
could
do
the
minimum
and
it
would
be
fine.
This
is
kind
of
in
a
sense
imposing
a
higher
minimum,
which
I
don't
think
we
need
to
do
in
this
case.
B
It
should
be
set
to
the
minimum
141
and
okay.
A
A
D
A
J
A
H
A
J
And-
and
we
we
work
pretty
well
back
and
forth
on
fixing
those
before
they
get
to
council,
taking
into
consideration
what
you
guys
say.
So
thank
you.
B
A
Okay,
yeah:
why
don't
we
go
ahead
in
here?
Thank
you,
Mr
tug
about
the
more
technical
aspects.
K
Orange
suck
civil
Design
Concepts
for
for
those
that
need
me
on
the
record
available
for
any
questions.
You've
got
I've
written
down
most
of
what
I
heard
from
you
all
so
I'm
happy
to
field
whatever
you
got,
I
think
we've
kind
of
talked
through
the
site
plan
pretty
pretty
extensively,
so
just
welcome
anything.
I
can
clear
up
for
y'all.
A
I
guess
the
one
I
you
know
and
I
do
realize:
it'll
be
part
of
the
TRC
final,
the
the
Landscaping
along
the
that
retaining
wall
it
just
normally
it
shows
up
on
the
same
plants
and
it
didn't
all
this
and
again
I
didn't
see
the
ask
for
it
to
not
be
on
there.
So
it
was
that
question
yeah.
K
We'll
certainly
comply
it.
It
is
kind
of
a
gray
area
of
a
CZ.
It's
pretty
early
on
schematic,
so
totally
recognize
that
there
is
code
there
for
height
of
wall,
decorative
wall,
planting
in
front
of
it,
Vines
being
that
this
is
a
and
I'm
going
to
nerd
out
for
just
a
minute,
since
this
is
a
a
cut
wall
and
it's
a
wall,
that's
very
close
to
property
lines
and
sewer
line.
It's
going
to
be
kind
of
a
top-down
construction.
It's
not
going
to
be
grid
and
block
from
the
bottom
up.
K
So
hence
it's
probably
going
to
be
like
a
h,
pile
or
potentially,
maybe
even
a
soil
mail
type
wall.
Although
those
wall,
those
grid
Nails,
might
get
a
little
bit
too
long.
So
I'm
telling
you
all
that
nerdy
stuff
to
say
that
it
will
either
have
a
decorative
face
to
it
to
meet
the
city's
code
for
aesthetically,
pleasing
or
we'll
have
to
do
some
sort
of
Vine.
We
just
physically,
don't
have
the
room
to
go
and
put
a
an
actual
shrub
and
tree
planting
in
front
of
it.
A
And
and
I
guess
one
too
just
to
think
about
I
know,
commissioner
Faircloth
brought
it
up.
You
know
the
the
entrances,
because
I
I
would
expect
to
see
an
entrance
on
that
and
or
exit
not
entrance
exits
on
the
and
fire
exits
and
then
again
on
the
on
the
plan
not
really
seeing
sidewalks
in
that
area
of
dispersal
off
of
those.
But
again,
that's
so
technical
trcs.
K
Yeah,
a
little
bit
of
History
Ascension
Drive
is
a
private
drive,
so
this
site
plan
has
been
through
many
iterations
to
get
to
where
it
is,
and
we
had
approached
the
owner
of
Ascension
to
see
if
there
would
be
abilities
to
tie
into
that,
and
we
were
told
no,
so
we
have
somewhat
limited
amount
of
places
where
we
can
make
connections.
K
This
is
an
existing
driveway,
so
we'll
certainly
still
have
to
talk
to
dot
about
the
driveway
permit,
even
though
there's
still
a
drive
up
there,
but
this
is
the
spot
getting
out
of
the
curve
away
from
other
signalized
intersections
that
everybody
seemed
to
kind
of
agree
is
the
best
spot
to
enter
an
exit
and
we
do
have
circulation.
I
know
there
was
some
talk
about
fire
a
moment
ago.
K
We've
got
really
good
circulation
inside
of
the
parking
field,
which
is
always
kind
of
desired
by
the
fire
department,
then
that
last
leg
to
the
north,
we're
keeping
that
under
a
length
at
which
we
would
have
to
have
a
turnaround
at
the
end,
which
would
then
affect
more
of
the
stream
buffer
more
of
the
open
space
more
the
tree
canopy.
So
we're
trying
to
be
very
smart
with
the
design
right.
E
I
understand
that
and
my
concern
wasn't
the
excess
from
the
road
for
emergency
vehicles.
It
was
from
the
building
to
get
outside
and
I
know
just
a
schematic
plan.
We
don't
have
it
all
there
yet,
but
one
lobby
entrance
makes
it
for
a
large
building
a
senior
home
building
who
aren't
super
mobile
people
right?
They
might
not
be
able
to
run
200
feet
downstairs
because
the
elevator
is
out
in
the
fireburn.
Assuming
that
that's
a
pretty
long
fire
escape
plants
are
Michael,
I
mean
the
site
plan
looks
good
to
me.
K
A
Yeah,
sorry
about
that,
that's
okay,
yeah
in
particular,
I
think
it's!
You
know
it's
so
the
screen
I'm
looking
at
towards
the
left.
What
would
be
for
you
as
well
like
there's,
definitely
going
to
be
a
stair.
You
know
there.
D
I
Thank
you
Mr
suck
since
the
architect's
night.
Here,
let's
pick
on
them
a
little
bit
more
can.
I
Windowless
side
elevations
the
side
elevations
are
going
to
be
really
visible
on
this
building,
particularly
the
one
facing
your
Drive
Entrance.
I
K
A
E
The
other
comment
I
had
and
I
can't
take
credit
because
I
think
Joe
or
Kim
mentioned
it
was
the
dumpster
location
on
the
shoehorn.
I
mean
I,
get
that
that's
where
it
needs
to
be,
but
could
it
that's
a
big
truck
and
a
little
you
know,
I
think
it's
just
at
100
point
turn
or
something
like
that.
I
mean
I'd
love
to
see
that
angled
a
little
differently.
I
mean
I,
know
it's
hard
to
fit
in
there,
but.
G
K
K
A
A
E
C
A
The
Ambitions,
as
we've
discussed
yep
so
I,
am
going
to
amend
your
motion
to
state
that
we
are
also
striking
num
item
number
seven
or
line
number
seven
on
exhibit
e
project
conditions
related
to
minimum
parking,
and
we
will
be
replacing
it
with
the
mention
of
this
sidewalk
fee
and
Lou
a
brute
second
thank.
D
A
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Mr
Mills.
Thank
you.
That
concludes
this
evenings
and
this
year's
batch
of
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
meetings.
The
next
meeting
on
the
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
will
be
on
January
4th.
2023..