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A
C
H
A
I
Hi
everyone,
parent
young.
I
have
something
in
my
eye
and
I
think
I
just
began
my.
J
A
J
Hi,
I'm
nancy
watford
stormwater
supervisor
in
bsd
and
stephanie
is
on
to
your
urban
forestry
commission.
A
Thank
you.
I
see
monty's
here
today.
M
A
Thank
you
mike
wheeler,.
N
A
Thank
you
mark.
O
Ricky
hurley
planning,
dsd.
A
Thank
you,
I
think,
is
that
all
the
city
staff,
I
believe
the
rest
of
everybody
here-
is
from
our
alternative
compliance
requests,
but
real
quick.
It
looks
like
camarone
joined
us.
If
you
have
a
sec
to
introduce
yourself.
Oh
she
left,
I'm
sure
she'll
be
back
if
she
doesn't
make
it
cameroni
is
our
city
council
liaison
others?
She
is
hey
kim
you're
back.
A
Thank
you
so
much
all
right,
so
our
visitors
for
today,
if
you
want
to
introduce
yourselves,
I
see
it
says.
P
Sorry
june
eames
the
architectural
designer.
A
Q
I'm
in
the
I.t
department
managing
the
office
of
data
and
performance.
R
A
Thank
you
all
right
glad
to
have
you
all
here,
I
think.
Did
I
miss
anybody
speak
up
all
right,
excellent
glad
to
have
everybody
here
today.
So
our
first
item
of
business
is
to
approve
the
minutes
from
our
last
meeting.
That
is
not
our
annual
retreat.
That
was
a
separate
meeting,
so
this
would
be
the
minutes
from
the
february
meeting.
So
just
need
a
motion
to
approve.
A
Thank
you
all
right.
That
was
parent.
Thank
you.
So
I'll
do
a
roll
call
vote
just
going
in
the
order
I
have
on
the
agenda
here.
So
we'll
start
with
dawn.
B
F
A
And
I
am
an
I
oh
I
did
forget
to
ask
if
we
had
any
changes-
or
I
guess
not,
if
we
all
approve
them,
so
those
minutes
are
approved
next,
we
have
alternative
compliance.
So
are
we
starting
with
700
hendersonville
road,
all
right,
so
whoever
from
city
staff
is
taking
that
can
go
ahead.
N
Okay,
thank
you
mike
wheeler,
here
with
the
development
services
department.
The
case
before
you
today
is
located
at
700
hendersonville
road.
It's
comprised
of
two
partials
pin
number
nine,
six,
four,
seven,
eight,
two,
nine
seven,
four
one
and
nine
six,
four,
seven,
eight,
two,
nine
seven,
nine
four!
N
The
scope
of
the
project
requires
the
site
to
be
brought
into
compliance
with
the
landscaping
requirements
found
in
the
udo
and
the
applicant
is
seeking
an
alternative
compliance
request
that
relates
to
the
standards
for
street
trees
and
planting
strip
width
requirements
along
hendersonville
road
there's
overhead
utilities.
So
the
code
requires
three
small
material
trees
along
hendersonville,
road
frontage
and
a
minimum
of
one
large
material
tree
and
two
small
material
trees
along
gaines
avenue,
frontage,
which
are
partly
covered
by
overhead
utilities.
N
The
applicant
indicates
their
reductions
are
necessary
as
there's
conflicts
with
the
underground
utilities,
along
hendersonville,
road
and
existing
site
conditions
that
make
up
the
current
building,
location,
overhead
utilities,
street
rights,
ways,
etc.
That
precludes
their
ability
to
meet
the
strict
letter
of
the
code
on
your
screen.
You'll
see
some
existing
pictures
of
the
existing
development.
That's
been
there.
N
I
believe
the
previous
use
was
retail.
I
think
it
was
mattress
place
that
used
cease
a
few
years
ago,
and
now
they
want
to
introduce
a
coffee
shop
and
bar
is
the
request.
So
if
we
could
go
to
the
site
plan
headed.
N
N
N
I
N
So
right
now,
there's
currently
no
landscaping.
You
know
from
the
building
to
hendersonville
road,
so
they
are
proposing
whether
code
requires
them
to
be
coming
to
compliance
with
the
full
landscaping
requirements,
so
they
are
proposing
to
provide
the
street
trees.
If
we
could
go
back
to
that
site
plan
haley
the
code
is,
they
are
complying
with
the
number
of
street
trees
along
gaines
avenue,
which
three
large
maturing
trees
were
required.
N
There
they're
also
providing
two
trees
along
shiloh
when
the
code
did
require
them
to
have
a
third
and
then
the
trees
you
see
kind
of
in
the
middle,
just
north
of
the
parking
area
are
required
landscaping
for
the
parking
lot
itself,
so
they're,
basically
wanting
to
eliminate
the
street
trees
along
hendersonville
road,
which
the
code
wanted
three
trees
there
based
on
the
frontage
and
the
one
tree
on
shiloh
road,
where
the
building
and
right-of-way
really
preclude
them
from
planting
a
tree
there
does
that
answer.
Your
question.
I
N
No,
no,
sir,
at
the
intersection
of
gain
and
hendersonville
road.
If
you
see
that
tree,
that's
kind
of
at
that
intersection,
the
sidewalk
kind
of
wraps
around
hendersonville
and
starts
down
the
game,
so
the
width
where
that
tree
is
to
the
parking
space.
So
the
sidewalk
from
the
sidewalk
to
the
parking
space
is
about
five
and
a
half
feet
and
the
code
would
require
a
minimum
of
seven
that
averages
ten.
And
so
that's
what
they're
requesting
for
that
one
particular
tree
the
rest
of
the
trees
meet
that
planting
requirement.
E
A
J
A
It
seems
that,
according
to
our
requirements
for
the
applicant,
not
creating
the
issues
with
compliance,
you
know
it
seems
like
it's
all
existing
condition.
That's
what
it
looks
like
to
me
as
well.
Go
ahead.
Cecil.
K
For
a
public
comment,
there
was
none
just
oh
thank
you.
Haley.
E
Sharon
and
I'll
second.
B
A
B
D
A
D
A
A
And
I
vote
I,
so
the
motion
passes
with
acceptance
of
the
alternative
compliance
request.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
O
Yes,
I'm
presenting
amy.
Thank
you.
Yes,
I'm
a
filling
in
for
jen
today.
So
yes,
thank
you.
This
is
for
the
asheville
food
pod,
as
you
said,
at
635
patent
avenue,
and
so,
as
you
see
in
the
picture
here,
there's
an
existing
use
on
the
property
you
probably
drive
by
quite
often
it's
the
boost,
mobile
cell
phone
store.
There
cliff
street
is
to
the
right
of
the
pitcher,
which
is
kind
of
the
wraps
around
behind
where
earth
fares
at
in
that
shopping
center.
O
So
what
their
plan
do
is
to
add
a
use
to
the
property
which
is
a
permanent
mobile
food
vending
site
and
it's
allowed
per
udo
section
716-1,
and
that
is
our
uses
subject
to
special
requirements,
and
so,
when
you
do
one
of
those
you
have
to
meet
a
couple
items
that
are
specifically
listed
under
article
16.
O
O
As
jennifer
noted
in
her
report,
there
is
not
adjacent
residential
property,
so
we're
only
talking
about
street
trees
along
cliff
street
and
patton
avenue
so
in
in
the
review.
Jennifer
found
that
the
street
trees
are
required.
Five
large
maturing
are
required
along
that
patton
avenue
and
the
cliff
street
required
three
small
maturing
due
to
the
overhead
power
lines
for
a
total
of
eight,
due
to
some
other
constraints
and
and
the
placement
on
the
property
of
the.
Obviously
you
say,
the
layout,
the
food
trucks
and
using
the
existing
vehicle
use
area.
O
So
here
is
a
street
view
of
the
current
property.
You
can
kind
of
see
in
the
center
of
the
page
during
the
cell
phone
store
in
the
back,
and
we
have
clearly
some
transmission
lines
that
are
cutting
across
the
site.
So
that's
not
just
like
regular
utility
service
lines.
These
are
some
sort
of
distribution
system.
O
O
S
P
After
I
submitted,
the
client
decided
that
he
wanted
those
three
large
trees
that
you
see
on
the
left
to
be
on
the
the
other
part
of
the
l
behind
the
food
truck
drive
to
the
right
yet
yeah
there.
He
would
rather
have
those
trees
there,
although
I
think
the
transmission
lines
are
there,
so
that
it'd
have
to
be
smaller
tree.
I
don't
know
if
that's
going
to
be
allowed,
but
that's
what
he
wanted
to
do
and
it
seems
like
we
have
an
extra
tree.
P
O
A
A
A
G
P
Oh,
that's
a
24
by
36
inch
sheet,
so
it's
not
mouse
print,
but
I
I'll
have
to
look
on
mine
here,
those
pines,
the
the
three
there's
four
of
those
rather
they're
eastern
cedars,
the
ones
that
look
like
the
symbol
of
a
pine
tree.
I
can't
really,
can
I
point
you
can't?
Can
you
see
my
arrow?
You
can't
right.
P
Can
you
yes,
these
three
and
this
one
are
eastern
red
cedar
and
these
two
are
sergeant
cherries.
These
two
are
red
buds,
and
this
is
a
green
hawthorn
down
here.
E
Sharon,
what
I
couldn't
determine
is:
are
you
digging
up
all
the
asphalt
and
what
are
they
going
to
be
in
planners
or
what's
how
are
they
getting
planted?
There's.
P
Only
one
that
would
require
any
asphalt
removal
at
all
that
would
be
the
the
lower
right-hand
one,
which
is
the
green
hawthorn,
there's
just
a
little
piece
of
asphalt
that
would
have
to
be
removed.
The
rest
are
the
back
part
of
that
property
that,
where
the
food
trucks
drive
around
that's
currently
gravel,
it
doesn't
look
like
it
in
the
aerial,
but
it
actually
is
gravel
under
those
weeds,
but
so.
E
They're
not
going
to
change
the
the
gravel
they're
going
to
leave
it
that
not
asphalt
it.
A
A
Thank
you
mark
foster.
Did
you
have
a
question.
L
Yeah,
sorry,
I'm
getting
everything
back
to
normal,
with
cameras
and
and
whatnot
yeah.
Sorry,
looking
at
the
google
street
view
image
from
last
year
of
the
site,
there
are
definitely
transmission
wires
going
from
the
little
traffic
island
at
the
intersection
going
across
diagonally
northwest
through
the
area
with
the
four
trees
in
it.
P
S
No,
no,
those
are,
those
are
high
voltage
wires.
Those
are
not
that's.
S
L
P
A
So
I
think
if
they're
small
I
mean
I
don't
know
about
that
type
of
line,
but
small
would
be
obviously
less
impactful
than
the
large
ones.
P
D
So
I
was
just
wondering,
if
is
that
inner
area
is
that
for
people
who
get
food
from
the
trucks
to
sit
in
and
would
that
have
any
impact
on
the
types
of
trees
that
you're
going
to
plant
there.
P
Yes,
there
are
flowering
trees
and,
yes,
people
will
probably
sit
in
there.
There's
some
boulders
that
we're
assuming
that's
what
they
want
to
sit
on,
and
I
don't
know
if
it's
going
to
supply
tables.
If
that's
allowed,
you'll
probably
do
that
yeah.
So
there
they
were
flowering
trees,
and
I
mean,
if
you
have
any
advice
about
a
better
tree
for
that
area.
I'd
be
open
to
it.
I
just
chose
something
that
I
you
know,
I'm
not
a
far.
You
know
arborist.
P
A
G
Yeah,
I'm
kind
of
half
thinking
that
we
should
probably
table
this
until
next
month.
There's
a
couple
of
I
don't
knows
and
babies.
You
know
and
I'd
like
to
know
for
sure.
If
those
really
are
power
lines,
if
duke
says
they're
not
and
mark
says
they
are
I'd
like
a
definitive
answer,
the
sergeant
cherries
could
be
a
columnar
species,
as
are
the
cedars,
so
there
may
be
some
compatibility
there
and
it's
probably
a
good
idea
to
think
through
the
species
in
that
seating
area
as
as
zoe
mentioned
so.
G
I
kind
of
struggle
with
flowering
ornamentals,
especially
in
the
rosacea's
family,.
G
Because
they
they
come
with
the
pandora's
box
formalities
and
it
doesn't.
This
looks
like
a
pretty
harsh
urban
site.
You
know
for
openers
and-
and
I
think
redbud's
been
an
underperformer
lately
as
well.
G
P
Yeah
there's
a
critical
reason
that
clients
been
working
on
this,
for
you
know
three
quarters
every
year
already,
but
I'm
that's
not
that's.
I
know.
That's
not
your
problem,
but.
G
Yeah
and
and
now
we're
you
know,
even
talking
about
musical
locations,
so
I'm
not
comfortable
until
unless
we
you
know,
have
a
definitive
plan.
It's
my
preference
that
we
table
this
until
we
have
more
information.
A
E
Yeah,
I
agree
with
ed,
but
I
was
going
to
comment
on
the
on
the
sergeant
cherries.
They
have
a
plethora
of
problems
disease-wise
in
that
kind
of
environment.
E
I
can
just
see
nothing
but
problems
with
those
there,
but
I
agree
with
ed
it's
kind
of
a
movable
feast.
For
me
it
doesn't
sound
real
concrete
sharon.
A
E
I'm
I'm
not.
I
like
it
at
the
maintenance
issues,
I'm
just
not
for
any
flowering.
I
mean
they're
beautiful
and
I
like
them,
but
they
just
need
a
better
soil,
less
heat.
They
get
all
kinds
of
disease
issues
with
them,
but
you
know
I
mean
there's
a
our
whole
recommended
species
list.
I
I
prefer
more.
I
mean
I
can
make
something
as
silly
as
saying
zelkovia,
which
is
not
one
of
my
favorites,
but
you
can't
hardly
kill
those
things.
E
So
you
know
it's
like
in
a
parking
lot
situation
where
it's
going
to
be
food
trucks
and
how
many
people
are
going
to
pay
attention
to
these
trees.
You
know
I'd
rather
see
if
you're
going
to
put
it
in
the
ground
that
it
lives
as
opposed
to
needing
babysitting,
and
so
that
was
being
my
concern.
This
is
like
parking
lot
planning
for
me.
Well,.
E
Well,
it's
got
a
lot
of
hardscape,
it's
it's!
It's
not
prepped!
Well,
for
it,
there's
not
a
lot
of
natural,
okay!
Well,
yeah!
It's
compacted!
It's
been
there
been
rolled
over
it's
you
know.
I
mean
it's
just
not
an
ideal
area
for
growing
I
mean
I
prefer
to
look
at
a
flowering
cherry.
I
mean
personally,
but
I
do
for
spending
my
life
maintaining
trees
that
I'd
like
to
see
something
going.
That
I
know
is
going
to
look
robust
and
beautiful,
but
that's
really
my
opinion
on
that.
P
E
I
I
agree
with
that:
they've
been
underperformers,
I
mean
I
plan
a
lot
of
them
and
they
deal
with
a
lot
of
them,
but
get
them
started
is
a
bit
of
a
maintenance
once
they're
established.
There
are
happy
campers,
you
know,
but
I
agree
with
that
on
them.
They
just
they
need
more
paying
attention.
P
And
I
ask
a
question
about
the
there's:
a
the
recommended
species
list
which
I
did
follow
and
there's
advice
on.
You
know
you
talked
about
whether
things
were
disease
resistant
and
like
could
handle
parking,
lots,
roadside
situations
and
that
kind
of
thing
that's
what
I
used
to
choose
these
trees.
So
is
there
a
better
resource
for
me
to
find
out
the
knowledge
that
you
all
have,
but
I
don't
see
on
paper
anywhere?
E
E
Could
it
spend
more
time
and
money
to
to
fine-tune
it?
Yes,
absolutely.
M
E
I
would
say
if,
as
a
professional,
if
you
want
to
put
that
in
and
put
it
in
because
that's
what
you
want
to
see
in
there
and
and
and
and
hopefully
it'll
do
like,
we
all
wanted
to
see
it
do.
But
it's
a
it's
a
living
thing.
You
know
and
ed
spends
his
life
looking
at
trees
and
giving
observation,
and
I
spend
my
life
taking
care
of
them.
So
it's
just
my
observation
or
they
could
do
just
fine.
Hopefully
they
will.
A
P
A
Make
sense
yeah
it
can
be
true.
It's
we're
just
trying
to
help
get
the
best
possible
long-term
outcome
for
those
trees.
There
were
a
couple
more
questions
or
comments.
I
think
cecil.
H
I
was
going
to
move
that
we
tabled
this
proposal
pending
more
clarification
regarding,
for
instance,
the
cedars,
their
location,
the
wires
and
so
forth.
A
A
Thank
you
so
much.
We
have
a
motion.
We
can't
discuss
it.
If
there's
any
public
comment
on
this
alternative
request
and
if
there's
any
other
questions,
we
can
continue
discussion.
P
So
what
cecil
said
is
that
the
cedar
locations
are
questionable
or
I'm
not
sure
what
your
question
was.
But
I
said
we're
going
to.
P
And
so
now
we
don't
know
no,
we
can't.
I
mean
if
that's
first
of
all,
they're
larger
trees
and
there
are
those
once
I
find
out
what
those
lines
are,
which
I
we
were
told
that
they
were
communication,
but
we
can
verify
which,
whatever
they
are,
I
don't
think
I
can
move
the
seaters
under
there.
I
don't
think
that
could
happen
if
that's
the
case,
if
especially
if
they
actually
are
electrical.
A
L
A
there's
when
I
was
looking
at
google
street
view
during
the
discussion
there's
a
lower
voltage
wire
and
a
telecom
that
goes
along
the
edge
of
the
parking
spaces
of
budding
the
planting
area,
but
the
big
three
wires
running
diagonally
across
the
planting
area.
Those
are
not
communication
wires.
So
I
don't
know
if
there
was
a
misunderstanding
about.
D
P
A
Guess
you
know
we
understand
the
restrictions
of
street
trees
where
there's
the
utilities
on
patent.
We
appreciate
the
moving
of
the
required
trees
to
other
places
on
the
property,
but
what
we
need
is
coming
to
this
group
and
saying
this
is
the
plan.
Is
it
approved
or
not
approved,
and
so
we're
just
hearing
too
many
question
marks.
Does
that
make
sense?
A
I
A
I
A
A
A
A
J
R
All
right
well,
thank
you
all
for
allowing
us
to
to
come
and
present
to
you
today.
My
name
is
natalie
bailey.
I
am
the
communications,
the
data
communication,
specialist
for
the
office
of
data
and
performance.
I'm
gonna
turn
it
over
to
eric
to
introduce
himself
and
we'll
get
started
on
our
agenda
for
today.
Q
Okay,
go
ahead
and
hit
the
slideshow
button.
Q
R
Again,
I'm
natalie
bailey,
I'm
the
data
communication
specialist
for
odap
and,
as
ken
is
cameron
joining
us
today
or.
R
All
right,
this
is
just
our
agenda
today,
we're
going
to
go,
give
you
a
brief
overview
of
the
office,
how
we
work
some
of
our
current
efforts
and
how
you
can
use
the
methodology
in
which
we
utilize
every
day
to
do
our
work.
Q
So
this
is
the
mission
statement
that
we
operate
by
and
we'll
get
into
kind
of
how
that
translates
into
goals
in
a
second.
I
want
to
kind
of
emphasize
two
things
in
the
statement,
and
the
first
is
that
word
empower.
We
are
not.
We
do
not
see
ourselves
kind
of
as
a
service
bureau
where
you
come
and-
and
we
will
do
your
data
analysis
for
you
and
kind
of
hand
it
back.
Really.
Q
Our
job
is
to
help
everybody
else
within
the
city
organization
and
and
within
the
community,
to
make
better
use
of
data
and
the.
S
Q
Thing
is
like
what
it's
for,
and
it's
really
about
accountability.
It's
first
making
sure
that
we're
delivering
the
results
that
we
are
committed
we've
committed
to
and
that
we're
doing
it
in
an
equitable
way
and
in
everything
we're
doing.
One
of
the
things
that
comes
up
is
that
using
kind
of
coming
to
agreed
on
standard
ways
of
measuring
how
we're
doing
and
whether
we're
achieving
what
we
want
to
do
is
actually
the
foundation
for
very
good
communication.
Q
Q
First
is
just
the
accountability
piece,
making
sure
that
people
on
the
folks
in
the
community
understand
what
we're
doing
and
why
we're
doing
it
and
how
we're
doing,
but
you
know,
at
the
other
end,
is
making
sure
in
the
end,
what
we're
delivering
in
terms
of
services,
projects,
initiatives
we're
trying
to
achieve
something
and
the
experts
on
whether
we're
achieving
it
are
the
folks
who
are
most
directly
impacted
by
that
work.
And
so
one
of
the
things
we
think
about
is
how
do
we?
Q
Q
That's
part
of
this
and
I'll
talk
more
about
that
a
little
bit
further
on
and
then
the
third
of
course,
although
we're
not
primarily
focused
on
technical,
internal
things,
there
is
a
big
part
of
this
that
is
about
making
sure
that
we've
got
the
systems,
automation,
procedures
that
keeps
our
data
accurate,
accessible
and
up-to-date,
and
also
the
governance
procedures
that
make
sure
that,
when
we're.
Q
Or
when
we're
putting
data
out
there
that
we're
not
unintentionally
causing
harm
either
by
putting
data
out
that's
biased
or
inaccurate,
or
not
thinking
through
and
putting
data
out
there
that
really
shouldn't
be
out
in
the
public
or
shouldn't
be
used.
The
way
that
it's
planned
to
be
used,
go
ahead.
Q
So
I'll
let
natalie
lead
off
with
the
the
first
one.
R
R
We
want
to
create
standard
ways
to
report
to
the
public
that
are
grounded
in
data,
and
we
we
talk
a
lot
about
this
before
we
even
engage
with
the
public.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
every
segment
of
our
our
community
is
getting
the
same
information
delivered
in
the
same
manner
and
that
is
grounded
in
data.
R
We
we
really
make
sure
that
we
do
things
that
are
well
researched
and
and
very
much
fleshed
out,
and
we
also
create
ways
for
the
community
to
participate
in
defining
what
success
and
of
programs
and
services
actually
are
the
community.
You
are
the
are
the
expert
in
the
community
in
which
you
live,
and
we
believe
that
about
all
communities,
all
segments
of
our
community
here
in
asheville-
and
we
don't
go
in
with
any
preconceived
notions
as
we
do
our
work
and-
and
that
is
something
that
we
keep
in
mind
you.
R
We've
been
doing
that
since
we
were
up
and
running
and
operational
last
march,
and
the
key
process
that
we
have
really
focused
on
is
is
our
budget
process.
It's
the
premier
process
in
the
city,
and
so
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
eric.
So
he
can
give
you
more
information
about
how
we
do
that.
Q
J
Q
Trying
to
change
the
culture
and
change
how
people
do
what
they
do,
which
is
hard
and
one
of
the
one
of
the
most
important
ways
to
do.
That
is
to
make
sure
that
we're
able
to
integrate
it
into
what
they're
already
doing,
which
is
why
we
focus
a
lot
on
trying
to
tie
performance
and
outcome
thinking
and
measurement
into
the
budget
process
that
is
kind
of
a
long
process
to
do,
but,
starting
last
year,
just
step
by
step,
making
sure
that
we're
bringing.
Q
How
do
we
use
data
to
decide
how
to
allocate
our
resources
and
how
do
we
make
sure
that
those
resources
are
being
used
effectively?
How
are
we
going
to
measure?
How
are
we
going
to
tell
now?
The
other
piece
is
that
you
know
we're
about
empowering,
but
this
is
a
big
change
in
how
people
do
their
jobs,
and
so
a
lot
of
our
work
is
helping.
People
learn
how
to
do
those
things
differently
and
so
a
lot
of
our
focus.
We
we
have,
I
think,
six
or
seven
classes
that
we're
running
this
year.
J
Q
Data
equity,
communicating
with
data
and
so
on.
We
also
we
do
consulting
for
departmental
projects
and
we
like
to
use
those
not
just
as
an
opportunity
to
help
help
the
department
accomplish
whatever
the
project
is,
but
in
the
process
to
leave
behind
tools
and
ways
of
doing
things
that
they
can
then
apply
further
on.
So
that's
another
another
way
that
we
do
training.
Q
We
also
have
an
internal
discussion
channel
and
a
twice
a
month,
internal
newsletter
on
kind
of
performance
and
data
thinking
and
so
on,
as
well
as
a
monthly
group
that
meets
and-
and
this
is
probably
an
important
point
to
emphasize-
we're
three
people
there's
a
lot
going
on
the
city
in
the
city
organization,
and
so,
if
it
all
rides
on
these
three
people
we're
never
going
to
get
it
done,
and
so
we're
really
trying
to
build
a
cohort
of
people
within
the
organization
that
know
how
to
do
this
and
can
help
others
within
their
departments
and
a
big
part
of
what
this
collaboration
group
that
meets
monthly
is
about.
Q
M
Q
M
M
Q
That
we've
got
the
right
set
of
questions
being
asked
at
the
right
times
to
make
sure
that
that
doesn't
happen
next
slide.
Q
So
I
could
talk.
I
could
talk
for
a
long
time
almost
about
any
of
these,
but
I
just
want
to
kind
of
quickly
walk
through
some
of
the
things
that
we're
working
on
or
work
done.
Very
recently,
homelessness
is
one
of
the
issues
where
we
are
working
with
homeless
initiative.
Q
Folks,
you
may
have
seen
a
few
weeks
ago,
we
launched
a
point
in
time,
count
dashboard
to
do
a
better
job
of
showing
the
information
we
collect
annually
during
the
point
in
time,
count
not
only
just
raw
numbers,
total
numbers,
but
also
proportions
of
housed
or
unhoused.
What
are
the
racial
breakdowns
and
so
on
and
that'll
be
upgraded
and
with
the
upgraded
few
changes
to
it,
based
on
feedback,
as
well
as
with
the
2022
data.
As
soon
as
that's
available
we're.
Q
With
them
to
in
the
meantime,
to
launch
a
second
part
to
that
dashboard,
looking
at
the
performance
measures,
the
number
of
people
who
are
coming
through
the
system
and
what
the
outcomes
are
for
them,
we
on
the
reparations
process.
We
have
played
a
support
role.
We
gathered
some
baseline
data
and
shared
that
with
the
equity
and
inclusion
department
and
the
project
team
to
share
with
the
commission
when
it's
seated
and
are
basically
on
standby,
to
provide
additional
data
support,
as
the
commission
needs
it,
and
we've
continued
to
work
regularly
with
the
equity
department.
M
Q
Q
That
have
been
have
been
rather
are
taking
a
lot
of
our
attention.
The
american
rescue
act,
rescue
plan
act,
funding
that
came
to
the
city
of
asheville
we've.
Q
Q
Partnering
with
the
budget
budget
office
and
with
equity
and
inclusion,
and
then
we're
working
with
planning
and
the
communications
public
engagement
department
to
really.
F
H
Q
Talked
about
some
of
the
capacity
building
that
we
do
internally
and
the
governance
that
we
do
and
obviously
we're
here
talking
to
you.
So
this
is
we've
heard
that
you
all
are
engaged,
and
so
we
thought
we
would
show
up
and
talk
to
you
and
I'll.
Let
natalie
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
some
of
the
other
efforts
that
we're
we're
doing
there.
R
Right
right,
our
engagement
efforts,
as
I
stated
earlier,
began
just
shortly
after
we
came
on
board
and
were
operational.
R
They
actually
began
with
compiling
the
list
of
community
leaders,
neighborhood
leaders
and
and
some
advocacy
folks
just
to
get
their
their
sense
or
their
impressions
and
and
perceptions
of
access
to
city
services,
and
so
that
led
to
a
lot
of
very
rich
narrative
data.
I
know
a
lot
of
folks
when
you
say
the
word
data.
R
You
start
thinking,
numbers
and
charts
and
bars,
but
we
also
value
narrative
data
as
well
as,
as
always
so
very
rich
with
information
and
and
gives
insight
that
numbers
don't
always
provide,
and
so
we
we
spoke
to
those
folks,
and
we
continue
to
speak
to
those
folks
and
a
big
part
of
what
we
do
is
closing
the
loop.
R
And
so
we
don't
believe
in
saying
not
our
problem.
Another
department
handles
it.
We
are
all
committed
to
making
sure
that
the
community
that
we
serve
and
that
we
are
a
part
of
ourselves
get
the
answers
that
they
need.
If
we
don't
have
them,
we
make
the
introductions
to
the
folks
they
do
and
we
close
that
loop.
R
Even
if
it's
outside
of
the
city's
purview
and
there's
an
example
of
that,
after
our
our
initial
conversations
with
folks
out
in
the
community,
we
had
the
opportunity
to
speak
with
35
kayla
interns
last
summer
and
we
tweaked
our
our
questions
a
bit
to
find
out
from
them
if
their
parents
had
issues
or
you
know
or
what
they
perceived
as
issues
accessing
city
services.
And
it
was
an
amazing
conversation-
we're
okay
as
a
community,
because
the
kids
are
all
right.
They
were
highly
engaged
with.
R
What's
going
on
and
and
shared
those
thoughts
shared
their
parents
perspectives,
and
we
learned
a
lot
about
some
groups
within
our
community
that
we
may
not
get
a
chance
to
be
in
contact
with
on
a
daily
basis
and
so
and
saying
all
of
that
it
was
opportunities
to
close
the
loop.
There
were
a
lot.
A
lot
of
those
kids
are
under
a
great
deal
of
stress
and
we
were
able
to
connect
them
with
some
resources
through
the
county
for
mental
health
reservation
and
things
of
that
nature.
R
And
so
that
was
just
a
really
great
experience.
And
again,
we
gained
a
lot
of
really
rich
narrative
information
regarding
perceived
access
or
very
real
access
to
city
services
as
well,
and
then
we
started
our
boards
and
commissions.
R
Road
show
folks
who
sit
on
advisory
boards
and
commissions
are
engaged
with
the
city
at
a
level
that
most
folks
aren't,
and
we
really
wanted
to
make
sure
that
you
all
knew
who
we
were
first
and
foremost,
and
the
work
that
we
were
trying
to
accomplish
and
how
we
accomplish
it
and
and
how
you
can
use
the
very
tools
that
we
use
on
a
daily
basis
to
to
conduct
your
own
work
on
behalf
of
the
city
and
our
community,
and
so
the
conversations
still
continue.
R
I
I've
got
a
conversation
scheduled
later
this
evening
and
a
few
tomorrow,
not
not
focused
on
you
know,
perceived
barriers
to
to
city
services,
but
focus
on
perceive
in
community
investment
right
to
to
see
if
they
think
that
it's
equitable
or
not,
and
provide
any
other
type
of
valuable
information
that
they
think
that
we
should
hear.
So.
The
conversations
continue
you
can
never
talk
to
too
many
people.
R
If
you
have
something
that
you
think
that
we
all
know,
please
please
reach
out,
because
gathering
that
baseline
information
through
conversation
in
the
narrative
form
is
very
important
and
essential
to
what
we
do.
H
Q
What
does
this
have
to
do
with
you
other
than
now?
You
know
we
exist
one
of
the
things
in
in
trying
to
kind
of
help
people
change
how
they
approach
their
work.
It's
not
enough
to
have
a
good
intention.
You
need
some
structure
that
helps
you
think
through
how
to
do
this,
and
so
we
work
within
a
framework
called
the
results-based
accountability
framework
developed
in
in
the
90s.
I
believe,
really
focused
on.
How
do
you
track
performance
if
your
goal
is
to
make
sure
that
you're
measuring
outcomes
rather
than
just
activities?
Q
And
there
were
a
couple
of
reasons
we
chose
this
one-
it's
pretty
well
adopted
and
regionally
as
well
as
nationally.
It's
also
kind
of
the
foundation
for
the
racial
equity
toolkit
from
the
government
and
alliance
on
racial
equity
and
so
it
align.
It
helps
us
to
align
our
equity
work
and
our
data
work,
which
was
important
and
really
the
third
reason
that
we've
adopted
rba,
as
it's
typically
referred
to.
Q
Is
really
pretty
simple
and
you
can
think
of
it
as
just
making
sure
that
you're
asking
the
right
questions
at
the
right
points,
which
is
very
much
the
spirit
of
the
the
racial
equity
toolkit
as
well,
and
it's
making
sure
we're
focused
on
results.
You
know
identifying
who
we're
talking
about,
whether
that
be
customers
or
internal
stakeholders
and
what
it
is
we're
trying
to
achieve
for.
M
Q
What
success
actually
looks
like
and
then
starting
to
dig
into,
how
are
we
going
to
tell
and
with
a
strong
emphasis
on
there's
a
one
of
the
rba
one
part
of
the
rba
book
makes
the
point
that
all
the
performance
measures
in
the
history
of
the
universe
are
the
answers
to
one
of
three
questions.
How
much
did
we
do?
How
well
did
we
do
it,
and
is
anybody
better
off
and
they're.
Q
Q
Q
Q
So
if
we're
expecting
it
to
get
worse
by
going
up,
then
any
way
that
anything
we
can
do
to
turn
that
curve
down
is
progress
and
that
that
gives
us
a
an
objective
way
to
kind
of
focus
on
getting
the
direction
right
and
then,
hopefully,
you
know
iterating
through
and
making
sure
that
we're
then
accelerating
whatever
we're,
improving
or
changing
up.
Q
If
we're
not
succeeding,
and
then
you
of
course
go
into
the
strategies
and
and
part
of
the
point,
is
we
really
want
to
focus
people
on
the
fact
that
this
is
an
iterative
cycle
of
learning?
Q
It
is
rare
that
we
figure
out
the
right
thing
to
do
right
off,
particularly
on
on
some
of
the
complex
problems
that
we're
trying
to
address
so
making
sure
we
have
objective
ways
of
knowing
as
early
as
possible
that
things
are
going
awry
and
being
able
to
come
back
and
say:
okay,
now,
what's
working
what's
not
working
and
how
do
we
should?
Q
How
do
we
change
it
up
and
as
far
as
its
relevance
to
you,
I
think
these
are
really
helpful,
simple
ways
to
kind
of
focus
on
your
own
work.
You
can
ask
yourselves
these
questions,
but
also
we're
telling
you
now
kind
of
the
standard
we're
trying
to
set
internally
for
the
organization.
Q
So
that
is
our
presentation.
Hopefully
we
will
have
some
time
to
answer
your
questions
as
well.
We
will
follow
up,
follow
this
up
with
a
link
to
this
presentation
and
the
various
links
on
on
this
last
page.
Q
If
you
want
to
follow
what
we're
doing,
we
have
a
quarterly
newsletter
external
newsletter
that
you
can
sign
up
for
called
asheville
data
news
and
also
we
are
always
happen,
happy
to
answer,
questions
or
or
receive
ideas
and
suggestions.
You
can
reach
out
to
me
personally
or
to
the
odf
email
as
well.
A
Awesome
well,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
So
much
for
letting
us
know
about
your
office
and
what
you
do.
We
do
have
a
moment
for
questions.
If
any
commission
members
have
questions
that
was
fast
parent.
I
Thanks
for
that
information
to
both
of
you-
and
so
I
imagine-
you're
in
a
similar,
somewhat
awkward
position
as
we
are
right
now
because
of
the
proposal.
That's
live
right
now
to
restructure
boards
and
commissions,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
find
out
if
you've
received
any
direction
or
suggestions
from
the
city
about
how
to
proceed
in
your
collaboration
with
boards
and
commissions
like
the
urban
forestry
commission.
I
In
light
of
the
fact
that
this
proposal
is
on
the
table
to
eliminate
all
existing
well
most
of
the
existing
boards
and
commissions
and
consolidate
them
into
new
bodies,.
Q
So
at
this
point
we
are,
I
mean
my
understanding
is
that
that
is
a
proposal
and
that
there
will
be
a
process.
So
I
have
no
idea
where
that
will
go
and
part
of
what
we've
done.
All
we're
doing
at
this
point
is
y'all
are
here
now,
and
so
we
are
making
sure
that
you,
I
don't
know
how
many
we've
done
so
far,
but
we've
been
we've
been
kind
of
doing
this
road
show
since
last
september.
I
think
and
we'll
just
continue
working
with
the
boards
as
they
are
until
unless.
J
A
Thank
you
thanks.
Next,
I
think
was
ed.
G
We
we,
the
urban
forestry
commission,
has
have
has
been
pushing
or
advocating
the
city
fund
the
establishment
of
a
comprehensive
urban
forest
master
plan,
and
hopefully,
if
we
get
funding
for
that
this
year,
we
envision
this
plan
being
built
around
ultimately
performance
standards
and
criteria
indicators,
so
that
we
can.
We
can
encourage
adaptive
management.
We
can
measure
how
not
only
the
the
resource
the
urban
forest
ecosystem
is
performing,
but
how
we're
managing
it
and
what
what
the
community's
relationship
is
with
the
city
and
the
resource.
G
So
so,
my
question
is,
as
we
move
forward
with
this
planning
process.
When
is
the
best
time
to
engage
with
your
group,
and
how
do
we
best
do
that,
and
is
it
appropriate
that
we
seek
advice
in
developing
standards
and
ways
to
measure
them.
Q
So,
as
far
as
the
how
that
would
be
through
the
staff
liaison,
I
think
is,
is
appropriate
one
of
the
and
you
know
through
coordinating
through
them.
I
mean
we're
happy
to
to
help
in
any
way
we
can.
Q
I
would
love
to.
I
mean
one
I
think
that's
great,
to
be
thinking
already
in
terms
of
having
some
objective
ways
of
telling
whether
we're
on
track
or
not,
and
I
would
I
would
love
to
work
with
you
know,
through
staff,
with
you
to
make
sure
that
we're
kind
of
tying
that
into
our
general
kind
of
performance
goals.
One
of
the
things
that
I
didn't
get
into
in
rba
is
that
it
actually
always
thinks
in
terms
of
two
levels.
Q
There
is
the
community-wide
level.
What's
called
population
accountability,
where
very
often
this
is
outside
even
the
control
of
the
city,
we
may
not
be
working
directly.
We
may
not
be
able
to
answer
for
all
of
the
things
that
impact
you
know.
Community
health
tree
cover
outside
of
city
limits,
et
cetera,
et
cetera
or
even
within
city
limits,
because
we're
obviously
dealing
with
private
property
as
well.
Q
But
this
is
kind
of
how
we're
going
to
as
a
community
we're
going
to
measure
whether
we're
achieving
our
goals
and
then
within
the
city.
We
can
then
tie
individual
programs
how
we're
using
our
our
kind
of
development,
kind
of
ordinances
and
so
on
in
order
to
contribute
to
that
overall
community
goal-
and
I
think,
there's
a
good
opportunity
here
to
make
sure
that
we're
kind
of
bringing
that
thinking
in
so
that
we
can
align
programs.
J
Q
A
All
right,
zoe.
D
I
was
really
interested
in
natalie's
reference
to
narrative,
and
I
was
wondering
I
was
I've
been
very
impressed
with
the
urban
renewal
story
map
that's
up
on
the
asheville
city
website
and
I
wonder,
do
you
all?
I
know
that
was
probably
developed
by
a
student
at
a
university,
but
I
wonder
how
you
all
interface
with
doing
those
types
of
products,
because
I
think
that
could
actually
be
useful
to
us
in
the
long
run.
Q
D
Q
That
particular
map-
I
don't
know
for
sure,
but
I
think
it
may
well
have
been
done
by
our
gis
folks
in
the
city.
So
part
of
the
part
of
the
reason
we're
in
the
it
department
is.
Q
There's
a
very
close
tie,
particularly
to
both
data
out
of
our
administrative
systems,
but
also
our
geographic
information
system
staff.
So
we
partner
with
them
all
the
time
and
you
know,
agree
that
story
maps
are
one
of
the
awesome
ways
of
really
telling
some
of
these
data
stories
and
interweaving.
The
hard
data
with
the
narrative
data
think
we're
sometimes
some
of
our
colleagues
wonder
whether
we're
really
in
the.
Q
Because
we
do
a
lot
of
other
things
that
are
pretty
non-traditional
for
it
folks,
but
that's
part
of
the
reason
we're
there
is.
We
do
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
closely
tied
one
of
our
one
of
my
colleagues,
kristen
watts,
has
been
one
of
the
primary
people
responsible
for
a
number
of
the
story:
maps,
okay
and
they're.
Q
Let's
just
say
we
are
huge
fans
and
learning
how
to
do
more
of
it.
I
know
natalie
has
expressed
interest
in
learning
how
to
do
some
of
the
the
more
technical
aspects
and
our
performance
analyst
does
is
doing
some
of
that
as
well.
A
All
right,
I
just
want
to
jump
in
to
piggyback
on
what
ed
was
saying.
A
lot
of
urban
forestry
management,
scientific,
urban
forestry
management
is
data
driven,
and
you
know
right
now,
obviously
we're
working
very
closely
with
dsd
and
that's
where
a
lot
of
our
data
is
coming
from
is
development
projects
specifically.
A
But
I
guess
more
of
just
a
heads
up,
maybe
there's
more
of
a
way
we
can
collaborate
across
those
departments.
Sometimes
we
just
run
into
a
struggle
of
knowing
what
data
we
want.
You
know
to
be
able
to
analyze
and
actually
being
able
to
harness
that
data.
You
know
just
whether
it's
a
technical
problem
with
you
know
the
staff-
that's
just-
maybe
not
professional
in
that
particular
piece,
but
anything
that
maybe
we
could
do
to
get
those
together
just
so.
A
You
know
we're
gonna,
look
for
a
lot
of
urban
forestry
data
and
you
know
long
term
to
inform
these
decision-making
processes.
So
whatever
we.
M
Q
Absolutely,
and
so
a
couple
of
points
one
there
is
nothing
the
office
of
data
and
performance
does
that
it
does.
By
itself,
I
mean
everything
that
we
do,
whether
it's
consulting
with
a
particular
department
or,
as
as
I
mentioned,
we're
working
with
planning
on
one
thing
and
budget
on
another
thing,
so
we
love
partnering
and
collaborating
and
dsd
is
actually
one
of
the
departments
that
we've
done
not.
M
Q
Much
as
an
office,
but
I'm
involved,
for
example
in
simplicity,
which
is
one
of
the
ways
that
we
provide
access
to
city
data,
where
you
can
look
up
an
address.
But
we've
done
a
lot
of
work
with
dsd
to
integrate
their
data
with
the
simplicity
program
and
there's
certainly
much
more,
and
I
suspect
that
there
will
be
some
opportunities
there.
So
you
can
come
at
us
directly,
but
you
can
also
come
at
us
through
those
departments
and
we
would
we
would
love
to
be
involved
in
those.
A
E
Just
a
quick
question
on
excella,
that's
kind
of
a
quirky,
I'm
using
quirky
in
a
nice
way.
You've
got
to
be
really
specific
when
you're
wanting
to
find
something
on
excela
and
wander
through
it
a
lot.
Is
there
a
way
to
make
that
any
simpler
than
when
you're
in
the
search
that
when
you
search
an
address,
it'll
give
you
the
address,
you're
searching
for
if
you're
looking
for
a
pc
number,
because
it's
very
picky
about
what
it
wants
when
it
wants
it.
Q
Q
E
It's
not
it's
not
you
can't
find
s
or
you
can't
find
a
lot
of
permit
applications.
Only
in
excela
they're,
not
in
simplicity,
simplicity,
is
pretty
well
what's
come
through
a
planning
department
and
level
one
through
whatever,
but
if
you
want
any
nuanced
information
like
what's
s,
what's
what
what's
any
particulars
on
specifics
excel
is
the
only
place
to
find
it.
Q
The
two
things
that
we
could
do
to
reform
government,
more
than
anything
else
is,
is
make
it
easier
to
do
the
forms
and
finding.
In
fact,
there
was
a
recent
executive
order
out
of
out
of
the
white
house
talking
about
the
importance
of
the
digital
interfaces
to
government
systems,
and
so
we
are
very
much
thinking
about
that.
And
if
you
can
send
us
specific
challenges,
then
we
can
look
at
ways
of
trying
to
alleviate
some
of
the
pain.
A
S
A
All
right
well,
that
nicely
brings
us
to
staff
reports
so
mark
we
had
you
on
there.
First
do
you
have
a
city,
arborist
report.
L
J
A
All
right
and
then
nancy
the
dst
report.
We
have
the
metrics
that
we
have
so
far,
which
we
can
see
on
the
screen
there
I
mean
wanting
to
read
them
to
us,
but
and
then,
as
we
talked
about
last
week
and
it's
again
been
a
crazy
week,
so
we'll
keep
working
on
the
wish
list
of
metrics,
but
that
was
a
nice
tie-in.
A
F
I
apologize
madam
chair.
I
did
have
a
question
for
mark
foster
if
I
may.
F
We've
received,
or
I've
received,
a
number
of
emails
complaining
about
empty
tree,
grates
and
sidewalks
particularly
downtown,
and
one
particular
complaint
in
specific
said
that
the
person
who
complained
said
they
had
a
friend
that
actually
accidentally
stepped
into
an
empty
tree,
grate
and
injured
herself,
and
I
did
forward
some
of
those
emails
to
you
and
I
just
wanted
to
ask
what
the
policy
is
in
the
city
for
dealing
with
empty
tree
grates
in
terms
of
covering
them
over
or
planting
new
trees.
F
L
Okay,
well,
I
guess
my
reply
that
copied
you
and
ed
and
amy
was
joined
on
there.
I
guess
I
sent
that
too
late
today
for
you
to
be
able
to
look
at
it
before
asking
that
question,
but
there's
not
a
a
policy.
I
don't
turn
to
a
spiral
bound
book.
You
know
it
says,
okay,
what
to
do
on
that!
L
L
Seen
some
nodding
heads
out
there,
it's
the
tube
that
you'd
pour
concrete
into
to
make
a
concrete
pillar,
and
so
you
chainsaw
off
a
chunk
of
that
drop
it
into
the
center
hole
and
then
pour
in
in
the
past.
It's
been
clean,
stone,
we've
done
abc
stone
and
lately
we're
using
cold
patch
asphalt
and
that's
tempt
and
it
works
as
a
pretty
good
walkable
surface.
L
And
then
you
know
with
thousands
of
feet
landing
on
it.
You
know
every
day
the
soil
underneath
packs
down
and
so
that
plug
subsides
down.
You
know
relative
to
the
edge
of
the
tree
grate,
and
so
you
know
somebody
oftentimes
me
runs
around
with
a
bucket
of
cold
patch
and
tops
that
up
to
continue
to
make
it
walkable
the
particular
site
that
michael
contacted
us
about
was
related
to
a
tree
that
had
died
because
of
vandalism.
L
One
of
the
village
idiots
who
go
around
with
big
hunting
knives
on
their
belts
had
hacked
the
bark
off
the
base
of
the
tree
and
killed
it,
and
so
that
tree
is
actually
on
the
springs
planting
list
and
since
I've
been
seeing
that
tree
still
in
that
location
on
my
lunchtime
walks,
you
know
it
was
a
surprise
to
me
to
learn
that
the
tree
was
missing
from
the
pit.
But
if,
if
that's
what
happened
and
caused
the
hole
to
be
open,
that's
not
the
first
time
that
that's
happened.
L
People
I
think,
maybe
because
of
intoxication
or
you
know,
mental
problems,
they
do
go
around
and
wrench
trees
off
either
part
or
whole,
and
then
you
know
the
tree
that
gets
chucked
to
the
side
or
they
wander
off
with
it.
I
don't
know
what
so
I
think,
that's
the
the
hole
that
that
the
friend
stepped
into
and
yesterday
morning
first
thing
I
was
out
addressing
that
hole
and
also
raised
up
the
plug
height
on
two
other
tree
pits
one
on
college
street
and
one
farther
down
the
hill
on
biltmore
avenue.
L
L
Whatever
I'm
kidding
whatever,
whatever
channel
you
use
to
reach
out
to
the
city,
giving
you
know
specific
information
about
the
address
that
that
that
tree
pit
is
adjacent
to
is
extremely
helpful
or
across
street.
L
But
you
know
sending
angry
emails
is
definitely
not
the
way
you
know
because
the
last
thing
I
want
is
for
somebody
to
trip
in
a
tree
pit
when
that
happens,
and
people
get
badly
hurt,
there's
a
lot
of
pain
and
suffering
that
they
endure
and
there's
a
lot
of
medical
expense,
and
you
know
that's
claims
that
the
city
has
to
pay
and
I'd,
rather
that
money
goes
toward
other
things.
So
bringing
those
to
my
attention
promptly
is
is
super
important.
A
G
Not
really
chapter
20
is
our
revision
of
chapter
20
is,
is
pretty
much
complete.
It's
now
in
the
city's
hands.
We
were
hoping
to
meet
with
the
city
sometime
in
the
not
too
distant
future
to
review
and
to
start
moving
it
up
the
line.
G
I
guess
we
hit
a
little
snag
when
we,
when
this
whole
board's
in
commission
thing
reared
its
ugly
head,
if
I
could
put
it
that
way,
and
but
it
seems
like
we're
going
to
proceed
as
if
nothing's
changed
and
hopefully
we'll
we'll
have
a
chance
to
meet
with
the
city
in
the
next
couple
weeks.
G
Certainly
before
the
next
meeting
and
we'll
know
the
status
of
you
know,
chapter
20.,
the
standards
inspect
committee
is
meeting
again
this
thursday
we're
pretty
much
through
with
that
process
as
well,
but
it's
just
a
bunch
of
little
loose
ends
that
we're
cleaning
up
and
anything
else.
I
need
to
report
on.
F
Yes,
I
think
and
nancy
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
I
believe
the
city
was
going
to
have
an
internal
discussion
about
the
chapter,
20
revisions
that
ed
and
I
wrote
and
put
in
the
folder
and
then
after
they
review
that
there
will
be
a
meeting
scheduled
with
the
policy
working
group
and
we'll
go
over
any
issues
or
questions
that
the
city
has
on
that
draft.
A
Okay,
well,
we'll
just
keep
communicating
up.
I
think,
unless
there's
nancy,
if
you
have
different
information
on
that.
J
Or
ben
no
we've
met
once
and
we're
reviewing
it
now
and
then
I
think
our
next
time.
It's
looking
to
see
when
our
next
meeting
is.
I
think
our
next
meeting
is
next
week
to
go
over
the
changes
and
hopefully
pull
in
eric
review
too.
J
A
Good
excellent,
thank
you
and
just
to
clarify
we
did
get
clarification.
I
got
a
message
from
ben
woody
that
all
of
our
business
will
proceed
as
normal,
including
any
collaboration
with
city
staff
until
we
have
no
commission
so
if
and
when,
but
yeah
everything
is
still
ongoing
and
pushing
through.
Thank
you.
G
Yeah,
I
knew
there
was
something
else.
We
worked
very
closely
with
ben
in
drafting
the
urban
forestry
position
budget
request
and
also
the
budget
request
for
the
urban
forest
master
plan.
So
he's
got
that
in
hand.
The
next
thing
we're
doing
is
hopefully
scheduling,
meetings
with
other
members
of
city
council
and-
and
I
think
that
ball
is
in
dawn's
court
to
set
up
that
schedule.
G
So
that's
all
we
have
to
report
on
that.
Okay,.
E
Sure
did
that
change
much
from
our
last
budget
request
and
did
I
get
many
much
alteration.
G
I
I
think
that
I'm
sorry,
your
background's
really
distracting.
For
me.
It's
like
you're
you're,
laying
laying
in
a
funeral
bouquet.
I
no
well.
The
budget
request
hasn't
really
changed.
We
just
detailed
it
out
better.
I
I
think
we
had
a
chance
to
put
a
lot
of
thought
into
it
and
I,
I
think,
they're
both
very
good
documents.
G
G
G
We
have
it
also
closely
tiered
to
the
city,
comprehensive
plan
and
other
planning
documents,
so
that
work
that
our
intern
did
earlier
really
really
helped
us
a
lot
as
well.
A
A
Have
all
right
any
questions
from
anyone
else
for
the
budget
working
group
and
I'll
just
say:
you
know
if
you
need
support
or
anyone
to
jump
in
on
those
meetings
with
council
members.
Just
loot
me
in
happy
to
help
all
right.
Thank
you.
That
brings
us
to
the
rules
and
procedures
update.
We
talked
about
this
at
the
retreat
and
a
couple
times
before
since
last
week.
A
I
have
not
had
a
chance
to
work
on
it
more,
but
I
saw
nancy
sent
an
update,
a
cleaned
up
version
so
just
to
update
everyone,
we're
still
just
working
on
cleaning
that
up
finalizing
some
of
the
language
and
then
we'll
get
it
to
the
whole
group
for
a
review,
so
not
really
much
new
right
now,
unless
nancy,
were
you
going
to
say
something?
No,
that's
where
we're
at
with
that.
So
any
questions
or
concerns
we're
still
what
we
talked
about
last
week.
A
We
will
update
in
there
all
right
so
new
business,
so
we
have
our
new
working
groups
that
we
put
together
at
the
retreat,
the
fianlu
working
group
and
urban
forest
master
plan
working
group.
Currently,
both
working
groups
are
ed
and
zoe,
and
myself
and
again
since
last
week,
we
have
not
made
any
progress
on
that,
but
they
are
started
so
for
now,
they're
just
on
the
agenda,
so
that
we
can
continue
them
on
as
old
business
and
provide
updates
as
we
go
along
with
those.
A
Absolutely
I
just
haven't
had
a
chance
to
do
so
too
much
information
background.
I
had
unexpected
house
guests
that
just
arrived
for
a
week,
so
I'm
just
but
I
do
plan
to
get
in
touch
with
two
of
you
and
we'll
set
something
up
for
a
meeting.
A
It's
been
super
fun
and
they're
super
fun,
but
they're
too
much
fun
and
I'm
just
swamped
so,
but
but
I'll
get
around
to
y'all
and
we'll
we'll
get
that
going
all
right.
Anyone
else
anything
there
all
right
I'll
go
ahead.
Karen.
I
Yeah
amy
sorry
about
this.
I
I
just
want
to
backtrack
on
one
thing:
with
the
rules
and
procedures,
are
we
going
to
sort
of
do
a
final
review,
maybe
at
our
next
meeting,
where
we're
going
to
sort
of
formally
ratify
the
new
rules
and
procedures.
A
A
G
A
G
Okay
and-
and
I
know
patrick-
and
I
were
talking
about
a
few-
so
patrick-
maybe
you
and
I
can
get
our
heads
together
sometime
later
this
week
to
go
over
that
one
more
time.
A
Yeah,
thank
you
and
you
know
to
make
it
very
clear.
Of
course,
any
input
and
suggestions
working
on
that
is
definitely
accepted
and
recommended,
and
a
good
thing.
So
thank
you
anything
else.
Before
we
go
on
to
our
last
bit
here,
okay,
so
then
we
have
the
boards
and
commissions
restructuring
that
obviously
we're
all
aware
of
at
this
point,
and
we
discussed
it
a
little
bit
at
the
annual
retreat.
A
So
at
this
point
just
discussion,
I
know
there
was
talk
of
a
formal
statement
from
this
group.
I
believe
something's
been
prepared
and
if
it's
ready,
we
can
go
ahead
and
discuss
that.
I
don't
know
who
wants
to
take
that
over.
H
Yeah
I
just
now
sent
I
for
some
reason.
I
lost
a
bunch
of
addresses,
and
so
I
only
just
now
sent
a
copy
of
a
proposed
motion
that
you
all,
if
you
maybe
got
it
right
now,
I
don't
know
if
you're
multitasking
or
not,
would
you
like
me
to
read
that
or
do
you
want
to
have
a
discussion
about
the
reason
I
sent
it
or.
A
Well,
since,
since
this
is
not
a
document
linked
in
our
minutes
right
now,
we
can
bring
a
motion
and
discuss
it,
but
it
would
probably
be
a
good
idea
to
read
it,
and
I
could
do
that
or
you
can.
It
is
a
bit
long,
but.
H
H
Emotion
on
the
proposed
proposal
to
restructure
the
city
of
asheville
boards
and
commissions,
the
city
of
asheville
is
considering
a
proposal
to
eliminate
the
urban
forestry
commission
ufc
and
consolidate
city
boards
and
commissions
into
four
new
bodies.
The
ufc
is
opposed
to
this
proposal
for
the
following
reasons:
one
the
ufc
serves
unique:
irreplaceable
functions
for
the
city
of
asheville,
based
on
the
particular
expertise
and
experience
that
ufc
members
bring
to
bear
on
the
novel
and
nuanced
technical
questions
and
problems
brought
before
the
commission.
H
H
These
ideas
and
initiatives
then
have
the
opportunity
to
filter
through
the
decision-making
process
and
ultimately
reach
city
council
for
potential
ratification.
The
tree
protection
ordinance
is
an
example
of
one
such
successful,
bottom-up,
ufc
generated
initiative.
Under
the
new
proposal.
All
direction
would
originate
from
city,
council
committees
and
subordinate
bodies
would
only
be
involved
in
generating
recommendations
for
how
that
top
down
direction
would
be
implemented.
H
The
ufc
believes
that
the
city
of
asheville
would
suffer
from
the
brain
drain.
That
would
result
from
removing
the
expertise
of
members
of
the
ufc
and
other
boards
and
commissions
from
the
direction
setting
conversation
four
by
deactivating,
busy
boards
and
commissions
such
as
ufc.
This
proposal
would
result
in
a
loss
of
critical
momentum
for
initiatives
that
are
key
to
securing
a
desirable
future
for
asheville
residents.
H
For
example,
the
proposal
for
the
urban
forest
master
plan
and
a
new
city
of
asheville
staff
position
for
an
urban
forester
originated
with
the
ufc.
This
proposal
would
bring
about
a
systematic
approach
toward
protecting
and
bolstering
asheville's
urban
forest
and
the
countless
benefits
it
provides
for
asheville
residents
quality
of
life.
H
H
Five
ufc
also
serves
as
a
conduit
of
public
input
into
policy
debates
for
the
city
of
asheville,
because
many
ufc
members
have
long-standing
personal
and
professional
relationships
with
community
advocates
concerning
concerned
with
urban
canopy
issues.
Ufc
is
uniquely
poised
to
channel,
collect
and
relay
public
input
to
the
city
of
asheville
on
matters
regarding
urban
canopy.
H
The
expertise
housed
in
commissions,
like
the
ufc,
was
cultivated
in
part
by
the
sustained
focus
of
ufc
members
on
key
policy
issues
affecting
asheville
over
a
period
of
years.
The
disruption
of
the
continuity
of
monitoring,
planning
and
sustained
policy
debate
that
would
result
from
working
groups
forming
and
dissolving
on
a
short
rotation
will
impair
the
institutional
memory,
momentum
and
efficacy
of
community
voices
in
the
city
of
asheville's
public
policy
debates.
H
As
a
result,
the
issues
that
currently
receive
focused
attention
under
the
existing
structure
would
suffer
from
neglect
due
to
scarcity
of
time,
resources
and
interest
within
the
new
muddled
generic
focus
of
the
proposed
structure.
Eight
equity-based
efforts
to
bring
new
voices
into
the
public
policy
conversation
are
commendable
and
essential.
However,
this
proposal
is
not
inclusive
in
the
sense
that
it
would
reduce
the
overall
number
of
voices
in
the
conversation,
adding
new
unheard
voices
to
the
conversation
is
needed,
but
not
at
the
expense
of
expelling
those
who
have
demonstrated
their
commitment
to
the
policy
debate.
H
The
addition
of
a
few
new
voices
to
the
new
structure
would
not
compensate
for
this
loss,
because
the
ufc's
mission
requires
it
to
maintain
a
focus
on
the
protection
and
restoration
of
our
city's
urban
canopy.
Its
interests
are
not
in
alignment
with
the
proposal
to
restructure
boards
and
commissions.
H
A
G
G
The
the
the
question
that
I
have
is
you
know:
should
our
position
be
opposing
the
entire
restructuring,
or
should
we
recognize
that
some
restructuring
is
still
one
is
warranted,
and
but
we
would
but
we're
opposed
to
abolishing
the
urban
forestry
position,
because
I
have
the
sense
that
there
you
know.
Maybe
it
is
a
little
crazy
out
there
with
boards
and
commissions,
and
maybe
some
are
not
active.
You
know,
and
I
I'm
not
the
one
to
say
which
ones
are
which
ones
aren't.
G
I
can
only
speak
about
us
so
anyway,
that's
my
question.
E
Yes,
I
agree
with
that,
because
I'm
afraid
that
they're
going
to
want
to
work
with
that
model
and
that
model
for
me
is
just
not
workable.
And
yes,
I
agree
that
there's
some
redundancy,
no
doubt.
G
B
E
I
This
is
cecil's
brainchild,
really
originally
yeah,
I'm
I'm
butt
a
vessel.
So
thank
you
for
your.
You
know
your
leadership
on
this
cecil,
really,
because,
if
you
hadn't
gotten
so
fired
up
at
the
retreat
about
it,
I
don't
I
don't
think
I
would
have
gotten
motivated
to
try
to
help
pull
something
together
for
it.
No,
no!
I
don't
have
any
objection
to
what's
been
suggested.
I
I
you
know
it's
it's
it's
difficult
because
we
don't
know
when
action
may
be
taken
on
the
proposal
and
so
suggesting
that
tweaks
be
made,
as
opposed
to
saying
we
don't
like
what's
been
proposed,
is
puts
us
in
an
awkward
position
where
you
know
it
may
be
a
yay
or
nay
decision,
ultimately
on
the
part
of
city
council.
S
I
Ed's
ed's
suggestion
for
a
modification
seems
perfectly
acceptable
and
I
I
don't
see
any
problem
with
saying
what
you've
suggested
is
unacceptable
to
us
in
its
current
form.
Yes,
that's
that
leaves
the
door
open
for
further
edits.
I
I
will
be
interested
to
hear
more
from
cam
about
sort
of
what
the
conversation
has
been
around
this,
but
I
also
have
broken
in
line
in
front
of
patrick,
and
I
don't
want
to
do
that
so.
F
No
apology
needed
paren
see
so
I
didn't
probably
follow
as
closely
as
I
should,
but
does
the
the
letter
or
the
motion
mention
anywhere
in
it
that
when
the
urban
forestry
commission
does
send
things
up
the
chain
to
the
city
council,
we
always
make
it
a
make
a
point
to
tie
it
to
the
city's
comprehensive
plan
living
asheville,
because
I
think
that's
an
important
point
to
make.
If
it's
not
in
there.
H
It
isn't
in
there
explicitly
and
that
that
is
a
very
good
point,
because
we
have,
in
our
discussions,
talked
about
the
comprehensive
plan
repeatedly.
D
A
H
G
Dang
mute.
Sorry,
do
we
have
time
to
wait
until
next
month
or
do
we
need
to
push
ahead
with
this
right
now.
A
A
A
You
know
that
the
work
of
the
ufc,
you
know
or
a
goal
of
the
work
of
the
ufc
is
to
align
with
city
council
priorities
and
the
comprehensive
plan.
A
A
So
we
have
that
alteration
and
adding,
at
the
very
end,
as
stated
to
the
rejection
of
the
plan
as
written
as
currently
written.
A
Those
are
the
two
amendments
on
the
table,
so
a
little
more
discussion
go
ahead.
I
think
patrick.
F
Yeah
I
just
want,
I
think
we
could
go
ahead
and
if
time
is
a
critical
essence
here,
I
think
we
could
go
ahead
and
approve
this
statement
with
the
amendments
that
were
suggested
by
by
ed
myself
and
amy.
A
Why
don't
we
start
it
over
because
I
haven't
heard
it
real
clear?
So
do
we
have
a
motion
to
accept
this
resolution
as
written
with
two
modifications,
as
discussed.
I
I
just
I
I
think,
I'm
so
I'm
trying
to
type
in
the
the
edits
to
the
original
text,
and
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
amy.
You
were
saying
to
put
in
in
the
second
to
last
paragraph
a
final
sentence
into
that
paragraph.
That
says
the
ufc
strives
to
keep
its
initiatives
in
alignment
with
the
comprehensive
plan.
Is
that
how
it
goes?
Yeah.
A
Very
cool,
so
a
goal
of
the
ufc
is
to
complete
all
work
and
resolutions
in
alignment
with
the
city
of
asheville,
comprehensive
plan
and
city
council
priorities.
B
K
M
I
Just
read
back
the
final
two
paragraphs
with
these
modifications,
because
the
ufc's
mission
requires
it
to
maintain
a
focus
on
the
protection
and
restoration
of
our
city's
urban
canopy.
Its
interests
are
not
aligned,
not
in
alignment
with
the
proposal
to
restructure
boards
and
commissions
of
the
ufc
is
to
complete
all
work
and
resolutions
in
alignment
with
the
city
of
asheville's,
comprehensive
plan
and
city
council
priorities.
F
Okay,
I
I
think
ed's
suggestion
at
the
end
of
the
therefore
be
it
resolved,
is
to
reject
it
as
currently
proposed.
I
Right
and
it
so,
this
is
how
it
reads
the
way
that
I
modified.
It
therefore
be
it
resolved
that
the
city
of
asheville
urban
forestry
commission
opposed
the
proposal
to
restructure
boards
and
commissions,
as
currently
written
for
the,
for
the
reasons
previously
noted.
Oh
so
you
should
say
proposed,
as
opposed
to
written
as
currently
proposed.
Yes,
okay,.
H
A
I
think
the
letter
does
a
great
job
of
outlining.
You
know
a
case
for
ourselves
which
of
course,
we
have
some
self-interest
there,
but
because
it's
beneficial,
and
so
I
think,
thank
you
to
the
authors,
I
I
do
think
it
does
a
good
job
of
stating
that
apparently.
I
Thanks
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
before
we
proceed
to
a
vote
that
kim
we
have
a
chance
to
hear
from
kim
about
what
the
discussions
around
this
particular
proposal
on
city,
council
and
in
city
government,
with
the
city,
manager,
etc.
C
For
today,
my
goal
is
to
support
you
as
your
liaison
in
your
mission
and
your
work,
so
in
an
attempt
not
to
insert
my
own
opinion
on
this,
I
really
want
to
hear
what
y'all
have
to
say.
C
C
The
next
step,
to
my
knowledge,
it
would
look
like
a
potential
pilot
not
for
all
boards
and
commissions,
but
for
part.
C
My
goal
as
the
liaison
today
is
to
support
you
in
your
work.
I'm
happy
to
share
my
personal
opinion
at
another
time,
but
I
think
the
goal
for
today
has
to
be
centering
your
work
and
your
opinions
on
this.
H
I've
got
to
say
that
a
pilot
program
of
I
I'll
be
amazed
at
what
they've
come
up
with
for
that.
It
reminds
me
of
one
of
the
african
countries
where
it
was
a
british
protectorate
or
a
colony
or
whatever
they
changed
from
left-handed
driving
to
right-handed
driving
and
the
orders
that
came
down
from
the
government
for
the
military
to
change
one
week
and
for
the
rest
of
the
country
to
change
the
next
week.
H
Yeah.
You
can
imagine
that.
A
Thank
you
all
right,
so,
where
we're
at
now
is
we
have
a
motion
on
the
table
for
this
letter,
which,
of
course,
we
will
send
to
kim
and
to
city
staff
to
include
in
our
minutes,
and
I
would
encourage,
as
kim
said
you
know,
we
can
definitely
still
be
involved
with
the
public
input
process,
and
you
know
we
can,
even
as
individuals,
send
the
information
from
this
letter
up
the
chain
again
as
individuals
through
the
public
input
email,
and
I
would
encourage
everybody
to
do
that.
A
G
Q
A
A
And
I
vote
I
so
the
resolution
passes
go
ahead,
kim.
C
I
just
wanted
to
add
that
for
each
of
you
and
for
anyone
who's
watching
today,
it
is
absolutely
a
pleasure
to
be
liaison
to
the
urban
forestry
commission.
I
think
the
work
that
you
do
here
is
exemplary
and
might
be
part
of
what
it
could
look
to
other
boards
and
commissions
looking
to
streamline
a
process
where
you
can
do
work
outside
the
meeting
with
working
groups.
C
The
way
you
all
navigate
difficult
decisions,
even
just
today,
hearing
the
presentations
you've
heard
the
decisions
you've
made
around
compliance,
how
the
budget
process
looked
like
for
your
group
and
the
ways
that
you
got
to
those
decisions
are
invaluable
to
me
as
a
person
who
lives
in
the
city
and
as
a
council
member,
I
can't
do
it
this
work
by
myself,
so
I
really
rely
on
folks
like
yourself
bringing
your
professional
lived
experience
and
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you.
B
A
A
I
think
I
mentioned
this
before,
but
just
as
another
piece
to
send
up
the
line,
I
don't
think
it
should
be
in
the
letter,
but
we
were
challenged
that
I
had
solicited
support
from
stacy
to
support
the
comprehensive
urban
forest
master
plan
that
was
put
out
to
a
whole
public
meeting
as
a
duplication
of
efforts
of
boards
and
commissions,
and
I
was
quick
to
jump
in
and
say
that
it
was
absolutely
not
a
duplication.
A
It
was
showing
city
council
that
there's
broad
community
support
for
an
effort
that
we're
trying
to
implement
and,
as
kim
saying
you
know,
I
am
trying
to
be
a
leader
and
a
liaison
between
boards
and
commissions
that
have
similar
goals,
but
I
definitely
do
not
see
it
as
overlapping
work
and
again
to
the
commission
members.
I
appreciate
all
the
help
on
all
of
those
efforts,
so
thank
you,
my
soapbox
for
the
day,
so
anyone
else
have
last-minute
comments
before
we
adjourn.
A
All
right,
well,
that
is
it
we
are
finishing
on
time.
We
do
have
to
do
a
quick
vote
to
adjourn.
So.
Thank
you.
Second.
Second,
thank
you
cecil,
second,
so
back
to
the
list,
don.