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B
Hey
hello,
everybody,
I'm
I'm
stephen
hendricks,
I'm
chair
of
the
urban
forestry
commission.
Welcome
to
the
november
meeting.
We
do
have
a
quorum,
so
we
can
move
along.
B
Let's
do
some
introductions
to
see
who
we
have
on.
Let's
just
let
me
let
me
go
around
and
get
the
members
mission.
First,
sharon.
B
B
H
B
B
Okay,
that's
eight
out
of
nine
members,
so
we're
good
to
go
all
right
who
who's
here
from
the
city.
J
Haley
mahoney
planning
technician
with
development
services,
department,
city
of
asheville.
B
Okay-
and
I
think,
oh
ben
while
ago.
M
Hey
thanks
steven
ben
woody
development
services
department,
and
I
think
chris
and
ricky
are
also
on
the
line.
B
Thank
you
who's
here,
otherwise,
for
alternative
compliance
or.
P
B
Okay,
thank
you,
mayor
beth.
Let's
see
anybody
else
owned
yet.
B
B
Technician:
no,
no!
No
okay,
bailey.
I
It's
kelly
kelly
flannery,
I'm
with
tessa
associates
property
manager,
overseeing
84,
coax
avenue.
Okay,
thank.
J
B
B
All
right,
good,
thank
you,
everybody
has
everybody
had
a
chance
to
read
the
minutes
from
the
last
meeting.
Do
we
have
a
motion
to.
B
Okay,
all
in
favor.
F
K
H
K
C
B
Okay,
all
right,
thank
you
minutes
are
approved
all
right.
Let's
start
with
alternative
compliance,
84
cox
avenue.
Is
there
a
presentation.
O
Q
A
presentation
ricky
hurley
is
going
to
be
presenting
and
nancy's
getting
the
presentation.
All.
B
O
Okay,
double
check
if
I
got
out
of
order.
Thank
you
ma'am
good
afternoon,
commission,
a
happy
thanksgiving
in
advance.
That's
closing!
In
fast
I'm
sorry,
I'm
calling
in
I've
got
some
internet
bandwidth
issues
here.
For
me,
at
the
office
project
address
is
84
cox
avenue
and
I
believe
we
do
have
the
petitioners
on
the
call
or
on
the
presentation
with
us
today.
O
You
should
have
gotten
the
board
the
staff
report
by
mr
wheeler.
As
you
see,
there's
multiple
pictures
in
that
application
of
the
trees.
It
basically
boils
down
to
a
lot
of
aggressive,
I
would
say
at
least
aggressive
pruning
here-
that
affected
a
big
portion
of
the
canopy
for
all
11
trees.
Most
of
these
were
large
maturing
type.
Trees
maples
in
particular
were
affected,
and
a
lot
of
that
was
due
to
conflicts
with
existing
utilities,
not
necessarily
those
that
are
serving
the
site.
O
I've
been
out
on
the
site
here
early
this
year,
pre-covered,
the
utility
line
here
in
the
center
of
the
pitcher,
is
actually
not
servicing
the
building
that
the
parking
lot
that's
been
affected.
So
it's
just
kind
of
adjacent
property,
and
the
uda
requirement
is
that
75
of
your
vehicle
use
area
trees
must
be
large
maturing
a
maple's
a
good
example
of
that,
and
I
think
the
request
is
to
actually
modify
that
and
do
some
re-move
the
placement
of
these
large
maturing
trees
to
a
different
part
of
the
parking
lot
but
plant.
O
Next
slide,
please
nancy,
and
so
the
app
could
have
done
a
really
good
job
here
of
identifying
the
specific
planning
areas
by
bed.
Letter
bed
areas
I'll
just
note
that
bed
g
is
an
area
with
some
small
maturing
trees
that
they
would
like
to
take
out
and
place
the
larger
maturing
trees
in
next
slide.
Please
nancy
and
so
they've
kind
of
keyed
that
out
for
us
here.
O
The
initial
picture
we
had
on
the
introduction
slide
is
actually
the
area
of
bed
b,
which
is
in
the
top
left
center
of
your
screen.
Just
for
a
point
of
reference
bed
e,
which
is
also
toward
the
center,
is
adjacent
to
a
another
building
on
an
adjacent
property.
So
this
is
the
pictures
that
we've
got.
O
I
think
that's
all
we
have
here
nancy,
so
yeah,
and
that
would
be
that
is
bad
b
right
here
at
the
top
center
and
then
the
the
lower
pitcher,
I
believe,
is
also
a
different
angle,
a
little
bit
of
bed
e,
so
I
think
they're.
Basically,
it
boils
down
to
their
site
lighting
in
the
islands.
If
you
wanna
go
back
to
the
previous
slide
nancy.
O
There's
existing
pole
lighting
that
was
installed
with
the
original
development
of
the
site
in
bed
c,
which
is
the
center
of
the
parking
lot
to
the
left.
There's
two
hole
lights
there
and
then
there
was
trees
playing
on
each
side
of
that
that
basically
have
grown
up
over
the
past
10
15
years
and
are
interfering
with
providing
lighting
to
the
site.
O
I
think
that's
a
similar
issue
with
over
toward
bed
a.
I
know,
there's
a
hole
over
here
near
bed
a
but
there's
a
poles
and
utility
lines
that
run
along
bolt
pulse
using
bed
a
and
bed
b,
and
then
we
have
some
other
utilities
lines
in
the
area
of
bed
e
and
there
was
a
large
service
area
not
too
far
from
bed
f.
So
there's
a
lot
of
utilities
that
are
kind
of
crisp
crossing
the
site
either
by
people
to
adjacent
buildings
or
to
the
building
or
building
at
84
cox
itself.
O
The
electrical
supply
to
the
interior
bed
see
the
lighting
poles
that
actually
supply
the
parking
lot
light
that
was
underground.
So
when
they
developed
the
site,
they
did
underground
the
electrical
service
to
the
parking
lot.
Lighting
is
just
the
adjacent
utilities
to
other
buildings
kind
of
crisscross
service
lines.
O
B
I
R
Yes,
we're
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
just
switch
out.
You
know
like
one
for
one
with,
like
ricky
was
saying,
with
a
smaller
trees.
So
that
way
you
can
grow
a
larger
canopy
over
time
and
stuff
without
them.
You
know
either
worrying
about
utility
and
aggressive
pruning
having
to
ever
take
place
in
there.
R
It
can
actually
look
more
natural
on
that
in
the
place
and
plus
some
of
the
beds
in
there,
the
trees,
probably
in
another,
the
maples
and
like
bad,
b
and
e
actually
only
have
about,
I
think,
a
18
24
inch
volume
of
dirt,
so
they're
running
out
of
dirt,
which
is
starting
to
show
up
in
some
of
the
trees
on
the
in
the
limbs
and
stuff,
because
you
can't
get
the
water
to
supply,
you
don't
have
ample
volume
of
dirt
to
supply
and
make
a
healthy
tree
for
the
long
term.
R
H
I
have
a
question:
this
is
perrin.
How
do
you
what's
your
opinion
about
the
soil
volume
and
how
adequate
that
will
be
for
the
trees
that
are
being
proposed
to
be
planted
in
those
spaces.
R
Well,
your
maturity,
I
mean
when
you
compare
the
size
of
like
in
bed
b,
the
size
of
acoustic
dogwood
compared
to
a
maple.
I
mean
maple,
something
you
know
at
full
maturity.
R
Three
feet:
that's
going
to
be
bigger
than
the
bed.
In
fact,
if
I
would
have
taken
some
pictures
of
the
crown
of
the
root
one
or
a
few,
I
think
one
or
two
of
them
are
actually
touching
the
parking
lot
curb
now.
So
in
another
couple
years,
if
they
don't
die
from
running
out
of
soil
volume,
you
know
you'll
run
into
issues.
If
we
ever
have
to
repave
the
parking
lot
or
redo
turbine,
I
mean
it's
just
the
overall
diameter
of
the
trees
just
way
too
large
at
full
maturity.
R
We're
we're
not
even
a
fraction
we're
on
the
maples
in
there
we're
20
years
into
a
100
year
tree
or
more.
H
Thank
you
and
I
understand
that
city
staff
recommended
that
evergreens
be
avoided
in
certain
beds.
What
was
the
reason
for
that.
R
Some
maybe
for
like
future,
possibly
future
landscaping
plus
that
corner
the
property
adjacent
to
it,
has
three
spruces
in
it
already,
and
it
would
kind
of
it
would
it
wouldn't
look
so
different
from
the
property
beside
it,
which
is
the
county
tax,
not
county
tax
or
permits,
or
something
like
that
it
would
match
match
up
with
it
and
plus
it
will
provide
they've
got
lighting.
That
would
provide
a
little
more
light
into
the
parking
lot
to.
J
R
And
it's
it's
dark
in
that
corner,
so
it
would
keep
by
having
us
a
spruce
that
would
grow
down
to
the
ground.
You
keep
homeless
people
from
setting
up.
We
have
that
happen
quite
a
bit
in
there.
They'll
set
up
camp
right
in
between
one
of
the
bushes
and
the
in
there.
R
So
by
having
a
spruce,
it
grows
out
it
just
it's
not
possible,
and
as
long
as
you
keep
it,
you
know,
don't
ever
lift
it
and
keep
it
next
to
the
ground
you
just
they
can't
live
in
it.
Hopefully.
H
J
F
B
Yeah,
I
I
saw
those
as
well.
I
know
you'd
reported
them
yeah,
it's
apparent
violation,
even
though
there's
a
line
there.
You
know
that
we
do
have
the
conflict
with
the
line.
Assuming
that's
the
power
lines.
Are
there.
D
Well,
the
thing
about
that
power
line:
steve
is
it's
just
a
service
line,
for
it
appears
to
be
just
a
service
line
for
the
lights.
It's
not
a
power
drop
to
any
of
the
buildings
that
could
be
moved
at
all
right,
but
my
question-
and
this
is
just
for
future
reference-
is-
is
you
know
other
furniture
occupying
these
tree
planting
spaces
is?
Is
that
consistent
with
city
code?
D
You
know,
put
light
poles
in
tree
planting
islands,
or
I
mean
I
understand
that
this
project
was
probably
first
originally
permitted,
probably
back
before
there
was
even
any
permitting.
I
don't
know.
L
O
O
The
parking
surface
is
actually
the
trees
are
planted
right
underneath
it.
So
I'm
not
sure
it
seemed
like
being
one
of
these
things.
Scenarios
like
you're
pointing
out
ahead
is
that
too
many
people
were
working,
independent
and
it
it
should
have
been
if
there
was
utility
lines
or
the
service
lines
which
were
for
the
adjacent
parking
lot
to
the
north
here
in
the
top
photo.
O
If
it's
their
line
for
their
parking
lot,
there
should
have
been
some
sort
of
context,
and
the
review
pointed
out
instead
of
just
we're,
dealing
with
the
maple
today
with
no
without
any
context
of
what
that
maple
will
be
in
15
or
20
years.
So
it
should
have
been
addressed.
You
know
15
20
years
ago,
not
now
it's
ever
been
an
alternative
compliance
process
or
something
so
we're
trying
to
make
sure
that
we're
identifying.
I
think
staff
now
is
identifying
these
conflicts
now
before
they
arise.
15
years
from
now
so
yeah,
that's
good.
D
I
mean
there's
even
you
know
the
problem
with
you
know,
phototropic
responses
to
the
light
itself
from
the
tree.
It's
not
the
best
thing
for
tree
biology
to
have,
you
know,
have
light
shining
on
it,
24
7
or
at
least
at
night
time.
So
it's
just
a
poor
design
to
start
with,
but
this
is
definitely
a
sight
in
in
conflict.
D
Are
there
plans-
and
this
is
this-
is
for
the
property
owners?
Are
there
plans
to
do
some
soil
prep,
along
with
the
tree
planting,
to
improve
the
condition
of
the
soil,
because
it's
pretty
for
one
thing:
it's
pretty
used
at
this
point,
but
but
it's
also
pretty
compacted
when
I
walked
out
on
the
side,
the
soil
was
almost
like
concrete.
R
Yes,
there
there
is,
I
mean
that's
normal
planting
procedures
that
you'd
follow
for
any
type
of
commercial,
install
landscape,
install
where
we'd
take
and
remove
the
stumps
and
then
pull.
I
was
gonna
pull
soil
samples.
R
I
was
waiting
to
see
in
the
direction
and
make
sure
that
you
know
they're,
not
you
know
you
don't
drive
by
and
see
it
three
years
from
now,
and
you
know
I
I
would
be
happy
if
it
gets
approved,
but
you
know
I
don't
want
three
years
from
now,
any
of
you
guys
go
by
there
and
you
say:
well,
damn
the
trees
haven't
grown.
Much
when
you
know
part
of
the
fault
would
be
because
the
soil
wasn't
prepared
correctly
for
them
to.
R
You
know,
grow
at
a
at
a
healthy
rate
and
you're
exactly
right.
I've
noticed
over
the
years
the
trees
were
misplanted
and
I
think
is
part
of
the
reason.
I'm
we're
seeing
problems
pop
up.
You
know
they
slowly
tell
a
story
over
time
and
usually
within
the
first
three
years.
They
they
will.
You
know
they'll
be
alive,
but
they'll
struggle
and
they
never.
R
You
know
you
can't
go
back
and
dig
up
and
remake
a
healthy
tree,
but
yeah
to
condition
it
with
black
cows
and
get
it
to
where
water
can
flow
and
the
roots
can
actually
spread
and
flourish.
B
E
E
Sites
replaced
by
so
so-called
lower
story
trees.
If
they're
going
to
be
improperly
pruned
in
the
future,
then
it
really
is
all
for
naught.
So
I'd
like
to
hear
the
property
owners
address
that
issue.
I
I'm
the
property
manager
that
represents
the
property
owners,
the
owners
of
this
property,
owned
properties
in
downtown
asheville,
ravenscroft,
also
being
open,
they're
only
interested
in
doing
the
right
thing,
and
now
that
this
lesson
has
been
learned
that
we
found,
through
this
situation,
we're
very,
very
cognitive
and
conscientious
about
touching
any
landscaping
without
looking
deeply
into
researching
of
the
right
way
to
do
it.
R
And-
and
I
want
to
add
just
a
little
bit
to
it
by
by
moving
those
larger
maturing
trees
to
the
the
bed
g,
it
also
offers
an
opportunity
to
have
canopy
not
only
a
large
canopy
for
that
upper
parking
lot,
but
it
also
offers
a
large
canopy
for
the
parking
lot
adjacent
to
it
at
29,
ravens
cross,
so
you're
kind
of
helping
both
places
at
the
same
time
versus
right
now,
we've
got
just
just
koosa
dogwoods
there,
which
are
you,
know,
they're
a
good
tree,
but
it's
just
not
they
could
benefit.
B
Okay,
well,
the
the
only
other
question
I
have
is
the
the
power
line
itself,
which
is
apparently
just
going
to
the
the
light
does
is:
does
that
ricky
might
be
able
to
answer
this?
Does
that
have
any
chance
of
being
moved?
Are
we
pretty
stuck
with
that?
I
I
don't.
O
Okay
on
that
one,
I
if
I
were
called
for
now-
it's
been
you
know,
eight
ten
months
since
I've
been
out
there.
If
I
recall
correctly
that
service
line
to
that
light
in
the
top
center
pitcher
yeah
is
for
the
adjacent
property
to
the
north.
So
I
don't.
If
I
will
go
a
little
bit
of
guessing
here.
I
would
guess
that
that
line
is
probably
over
the
property
line
and
probably
on
the
adjacent
property
owner's
property,
and
this
is
probably
outside
of
the
control
of
our
applicant
here's
today.
O
O
B
Just
just
for
a
point
in
the
future
for
sure
those
are
the
kind
of
things
we
need
to
explore,
so
that
these
things
are
coordinated
in
the
big
picture
so
that
we
there's
good
utility.
You
know
good
good
urban,
forestry
and
good
planning
for
trees.
Is
you
know
we
need
the
same
thing
with
utilities
so
that
in
some
cases
trees
need
to
right
away.
In
some
cases,
utilities
need
to
right
away.
It
just
needs
to
be
an
equitable
situation.
So
there's
not.
You
know
this.
B
You
know
if
there'd
been
maybe
some
long-term
planning,
it
happens
everywhere,
but
if
there
had
been,
we
might
could
have
you
know
gotten
a
bigger
canopy
in
there
just
something
that
we
all
need
to
be
aware
of
and
we'll
you
know
we'll
keep
pushing
on
that,
because
it's
not
always
the
trees
that
should
take
the
second
you
know
to
take.
B
What's
left
over,
there
are
times
when
we
we
need
to
move
the
utilities
to
a
better
location,
perhaps
so
just
a
point
to
take
into
account
hope
everybody
would
agree
with
that
that
we've
got
to
do
a
long-term
job
on
that.
A
R
R
A
J
B
B
B
O
Yeah,
I'm
here
on
that
one
too,
okay
and
mrs
tuck
is
also
with
me
because
I
think
she's
helping
on
the
maybe
clarify
shannon.
Are
you
on
the
applicant
side
of
this
one.
O
O
And
so
and
this
property
is
owned,
a
neighborhood
com
excuse
me
neighborhood
corridor
district
ncd,
as
always
the
ncd,
and
about
some
rs8
to
the
northwest
and
east
along
woodrow
and
mount
clare
avenue.
O
They're
wanting
to
one
set
a
few
trees
back
more
than
the
20
feet
from
edge
of
pavement
and
mike
is
enumerating
the
staff
report.
One
will
be
approximately
27
feet
back
another
at
35
feet
and
another
at
50
feet,
and
then
the
other
part
of
that
would
be
the
maximum
spacing
between
street
trees
is
no
more
than
65
feet.
O
Apart
and
he's
noted
two
occasions
where
the
street
trees
would
exceed
that
one
is
at
157
feet
spacing
and
the
other
is
103
feet
between
the
trees,
and
I
believe
that
this
is
all
due
to
the
fire
truck,
exiting
pattern
and
sight
lines
for
the
vehicles
coming
out
of
the
fire
station
onto
broadway
street
mary.
Is
that
sound
correct
to
you?
Am
I.
S
Yes,
there's
also
a
lot
of
utilities.
When
we
look
at
the
plan,
the
the
driveway
entrance
that
goes
into
the
site,
there
is
a
giant
storm
water
detention
tank
under
there.
That
also
goes
into
the
area
that
would
normally
have
the
street
trees.
So
there
are
just
a
lot
of
utilities,
storm
water
drains
all
kinds
of
different
things
so,
and
also
trying
to
stay
out
of
the
site.
Visibility
triangle.
Since
fire,
the
drivers
and
fire
trucks,
are
a
little
bit
higher
up.
S
O
O
They
always
want
to
basically
flip-flop
the
fence.
Typically,
when
you
have
the
fence
option,
you
plant,
you
place
the
fence,
and
then
you
plant
the
vegetation
on
the
outward
side
or
the
adjacent
neighbor
side
of
the
fence,
but
there's
already
existing
fencing
along
the
back
of
property
line
for
those
residential
homes.
So
it
would
basically
present
a
my
understanding,
a
very
odd
scenario
where
you
would
have
a
privacy
fence,
this
kind
of
landscaped
area.
O
That
would
be
hard
to
even
maintain
much
less
even
be
seen
and
then
another
privacy
fence
on
the
city
side
of
the
development
side
of
the
project.
So
basically
the
intent
is
just
to
flip
it,
and
so
the
fence
would
be
up
against
the
residential
properties
and
then
the
planning
and
probably
more
adequate
room
of
planning
would
occur
on
the
station
side.
O
And
so
that's
basically
the
two
requests:
it's
street
trees
and
then
basically
flip-flopping
that
buffer
option
mary
does
that
seem
correct,
mary
beth
and
mary
weber?
Does
that
seem
correct?
What
explained
the
request
is.
S
Yes
and
the
neighbors
actually
would
prefer
to
be
on
the
property
line
as
well.
It
also
gives
us,
as
you
mentioned,
more
space
for
the
trees
to
grow,
and
it
allowed
me
to
fit
more
plantings
in
so
I
got
an
extra
evergreen
tree
and
two
extra
small
maturing
deciduous
trees,
and
instead
of
trying
to
cram
all
those
trees
and
shrubs
into
a
10-foot
corridor
between
two
fences
which
wouldn't
get
adequate
light
and
water
or
room
to
grow,
I
now
have
much
more
space
to
really
let
the
trees
and
shrubs
grow
to
their
natural
maturity.
S
D
S
S
Yeah,
so
we've
really
exceeded
the
landscape
ordinance.
Here
all
we're
doing
is
just
shifting
things
around
with
the
street
trees
and
then
the
buffer
plantings
and,
as
I
said,
I
was
able
to
add
three
extra
trees
and
then,
on
the
back
end
of
the
site
that
whole
open
space
area,
all
those
trees
are
preserved
and
just
really
that
whole
back
side.
That's
not
parking
lot,
all
those
trees,
most
of
them,
except
where
there's
a
retaining
wall,
are
being
preserved.
D
S
P
From
the
city
side
and
the
community
engagement
side
of
the
process,
we've
had
two
neighbor
meetings
and
and
had
under
10
people
at
each
one
to
be
in
covic
compliance
on
site
and
in
response
to
the
neighbors
concerns
we'd
like
to
have
that
fence.
P
That's
along
the
property
line
have
some
not
be
all
privacy
fence,
but
in
response
to
the
neighbors
wishes,
have
it
be
somewhere
between
four
foot
and
eight
foot
to
allow
it
at
as
we
design
with
them,
whether
it's
more
open
to
allow
air
and
light
or
if
it's
a
privacy
fence,
depending
on.
P
The
other
thing
that
came
up
in
meeting
with
neighbors
is
that
they
would
like
to
see
outside
of
the
fence
area.
Just
this
is
just
an
aside
that
they'd
like
to
see
more
evergreen
trees
back
at
the
corner
of
the
parking
lot,
where
the,
where
the
two
side
property
lines
come
together
to
prevent
truck
and
police
and
and
other
car
lights
from
shining
into
their
backyards
and
into
their
houses.
P
At
that
point,
they
are
asking
for
more
evergreen
trees
and
so
we'd
like
to
at
a
staff
level
work
with
them
to
either
trade
out
locations
of
the
evergreen
trees
or
add
a
few
more
evergreen
trees.
To
help
out
with
that-
and
this
is
just
to
answer
their
question-
and
I
also
have
the
neighbors
comment
that
she
wanted
to
make
when
you
guys
are
ready
for
that.
C
Mary
beth,
this
is
sharon.
Do
you
have
room
to
add
those
additional
evergreens?
Doesn't
look
like
you
have
room
over
there
on
the
plan.
S
It's
really
just
one
area
where
I
need
to
add
some
and
it's
really
a
matter
of
just
moving
some
shrubs
so
yeah.
I
think
so.
Those.
S
I
can't
tell
it's
cut
well:
they're
they're,
all
there's
trees
deciduous,
there's
shrubs,
so
yeah
there's
a
lot
of
different
things,
but
I
I
did
look
at
it.
I
haven't
moved
them
yet,
but
I
I
did
look
at
them
and
I
or
I
could
also
just
some
of
the
shrubs
that
I
have
in
the
on
that
property
line
where
the
neighbors
concerned
are
actually
kind
of
large
deciduous
trees.
I
think
I
could
pick
something
a
little
more
compact
and
then
just
move
them
under
some
of
the
trees.
So.
S
P
And
we've
also
met
with
the
neighbors
on
the
other
side,
where
we're
not
asking
for
alternative
compliance
on
the
woodrow
side,
just
to
make
sure
that
that
they
understand
what
we're
doing
with
the
landscaping,
and
they
had
some
really
great
ideas
for
how
to
place
things
to
again
keep
the
headlights
from
the
from
the
cars
and
trucks
going
into
their
houses.
So
we're
really
grateful
to
have
that
that
conversation.
H
I
just
have
one
question:
this
is
perrin
with
the
increased
spacing
of
the
trees
in
the
first
part
of
their
requests.
Does
that
have
any
impact
on
the
overall
number
of
trees
or
overall
canopy
coverage
of
the
site.
S
S
S
But
it's
a
pretty
packed
size.
I
mean
every
plant
you
see
on
this
plan
that
is
required
by
the
udo
there's
nothing
beyond
that.
Well,
I
did
have
three
extras
on
that.
One
buffer,
but
you
know
between
the
buffer
and
the
street
tree
ordinance
and
the
vehicle
parking
vehicular,
use,
parking
landscaping
and
building
impact
landscaping,
there's
a
lot
of
requirements.
So
I
think
it's
a
pretty
well
vegetated
project.
B
Yeah
it
looks
that
way.
Could
we
get
a
maybe
get
clarification
on
that
I
assumed
this
was
grandfathered
into
before
the
new
ordinance
has
gone
into
effect
is
that
anyone
in
the
city
can
answer
that?
Yes,
that.
K
Is
correct
that
it
was
submitted
prior
to
the
passing
of
the
tree
protection
ordinance,
although
they
are
preserving
all
the
trees
in
the
aquatic
buffer
and
not
touching
and
they're
not
affecting
the
aquatic
buffer
so
which
is,
which
runs
the
extent
of
the
property
boundary
on
woodrow.
S
B
Okay,
thank
you.
If
there's
not,
if
there's
any
more
discussion,
we
can
get
going.
If
not,
let's
go
to
public
comment.
If
anybody's
waiting
for
public
comment.
K
B
L
Okay,
hi
I'm
one
of
the
pro.
My
name
is
kate
trombley
and
we're
one
of
the
property
owners
along
montclair
avenue
we're
the
proposed
variant
is
with
the
fence,
and
we
were
just
going
to
chime
in
and
say
that
we've
met
with
mary
beth
multiple
times
with
the
existing
neighbors
and
that
everybody
is
totally
in
agreement.
They
like
the
idea
of
the
fence
being
on
the
property
line.
It
gives
the
I
guess,
reduced
buffer,
that
went
from
what
30
to
20
feet
or
something
the
ability
for
the
plants
to
be
planted
easier.
L
They've
been
super
great
to
work
with
along.
Like
you
know,
what
type
of
fence
would
be
best
suited,
it
seems
like
they're,
going
to
build
a
taller
privacy
fence
along
the
building
and
then
a
slightly
lower
one
where
it's
adjacent
to
the
parking
lot,
but
I
was
just
going
to
chime
in
and
let
them
know
that
we've
worked.
Everybody's
worked
really
well
together.
It
seems
like
a
win-win
and
that's
it.
B
Good
comments,
any
anybody
else
on
the
line
for
public
comment.
K
Nope,
that's
all
we
had
that's
on
that
ryan.
I
think
mary
beth
said
she
had
one
that
she
was
gonna
read.
P
Yeah,
so
I
have
one
from
wendy
dean
who
her
house
is
at
the
corner
of
the
back,
where
the
light
might
come
through,
where
there's
no
fence
and
no
that's
required.
She
said
I
wanted
to
be.
I
wanted
to
and
planned
to
be
here
today,
but
I
had
an
urgent
medical
matter
that
arose
and
wasn't
able
to
attend.
P
I
hope
our
neighbors
will
be
here
to
discuss
the
fence
along
their
property
lines,
as
that
matters
very
much
to
some
of
the
neighbors
on
montclair,
but
mary
weber
and
mary
beth
kingston
are
familiar
with
their
needs
if
they're
not
present.
As
for
our
households
concerns
when
I
think
about
how
headlights
from
fire
trucks
pulling
in
after
returning
from
emergencies
at
night
will
shine
into
our
windows,
I'm
very
concerned,
we
will
be
woken
by
this.
P
I
know
the
purpose
of
the
landscape
ordinance
is
to
create
a
buffer,
so
the
very
different
activities
of
the
fire
station
and
neighborhood
life
can
happen
right
next
to
each
other,
with
minimal
disruption.
Could
you
place
a
tall
light,
impervious
buffer
of
evergreen
trees,
where
lights
could
shine
into
my
house
at
number
39
at
night?
This
was
the
issue
she
says.
Thank
you
so
very
much
everyone
at
the
city
for
communicating
so
well
with
the
neighbors
and
working
with
us
to
make
this
the
best
possible
fit
for
everyone
affected.
This
was
a
very
effective
team.
P
You
sent
out
the
they
communicated.
The
city's
intentions
clearly
took
our
concerns
very
seriously
explained
the
reasoning
behind
the
constraints,
areas
of
flexibility
and
choice,
in
a
way
that
helped
everyone
involved
to
cooperate.
Thank
you
for
hiring
these
people
anyway.
So
so
she
just
wanted
you
to
know
that
she
wanted
some
more
evergreens
there
in
the
corner.
B
All
right,
happy,
neighbor
right
is
that
it
for
public
comment:
okay,
okay!
Now
we
can
proceed
to.
If
there's
any
more
discussion
on
either
of
these,
we
can
do
that
or
or
we
can
have
a
motion.
B
Let's
start
with
84,
do
we
need
any
more
discussion
on
any.
E
Yes,
oh
you
know
ed
started
to
make
his
motion
to
approve
the
alternative
compliance
related
to
85
cox,
avenue.
E
I
am
in
favor
of
the
approval,
but
would
like
to
see
it
conditioned
upon
the
the
property
owner's
commitment
to
in
the
future
have
pruning
done
of
these
trees
according
to
certified
arborist
standards,.
E
D
Yeah
I'll
I'll
revise
yeah
I'll
make
the
I'll
make
the
motion,
then
patrick,
and
the
motion
is
to
approve
this
alternative
compliance
request
on
the
condition
that
the
property
owners
will
follow
and
si
a
300
standards
and
best
management
practices
with
the
maintenance,
with
their
maintenance
of
these
trees.
B
All
right,
let's
go
through
unless
there's
any
more
discussion,
any
more
discussion.
B
L
B
Go
through
and
take
a
boat
amy
smith,
I
patrick
hi,
ed
hi,
erin
hi
diesel,
bye,
erin,
hi
dawn.
K
B
And
I
vote
I
so
the
proposal
is
approved.
R
Will
we
receive
email
tomorrow.
I
K
O
The
planner-
I
I
I
I
would
say
I
would
hope
that
we'd
at
least
result
this
and
we
should
get
a
landscaping
plan.
That's
what
I'm
saying
we
should
get
some
sort
of
landscape
plan
that
we
would
actually
approve
and
be
issued
a
permit
for
a
final
inspection,
but
I
can
double
take
mike
and
jen,
because
I
haven't
been
doing
these
alternative
compliance.
I
mean
I
haven't
been
processed,
I'm
just
always
pitch
hitting
for
a
presentation.
R
Okay,
because
we
sent
in
a
drawing
in
of
the
parking
lot
and
what
we
were
doing
in
the
different
areas
and
stuff.
So
we
just
need
to
go
back
in
and
amend
and
add
in
if
any
future
tree
pruning
needs
to
have
the
asi
300.
O
In
I
had
a
whole
lot,
so
you
just
need
to
amend
that
that
submission
with
this
updated
plan,
and
we
should
attach
this
alternative
compliance
to
the
record
and
then
that
would
trigger
a
final
inspection
after
it
gets
issued.
So
then
we
would
so
that
that
yeah
we'll
get
that
for
you.
That's
what
you
do
just
when
this
gets
approved.
Just
follow
that
as
an
amendment
or
we'll
convey
it
across.
R
Okay,
when
this
gets
approved,
so
what
what
am
I
missing
do
I
need
to
turn
in
anything
else
or
just
wait
to
hear
back
from
you
guys.
O
R
B
Okay,
thank
you
folks.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
all
right,
let's
go
to
316
broadway.
Do
we
need
any
more
discussion
on
in
316,
broadway.
D
Just
a
really
quick
question,
so
so
I'm
clear
that
you
all
have
agreed
to
make
those
changes
back
in
the
corner
to
create
that
evergreen
buffer.
So
we
don't
have
to
condition
that
with
our
a
boat.
S
G
Revisions
having
voted
for
this
fire
station
when
I
was
on
council
and
and
recognizing
that
it's
both
a
gain
and
a
loss
to
the
immediate
neighbors.
You
know
you
don't
want
a
fire
truck
in
your
backyard,
but
when
your
house
is
on
fire,
you
want
a
fire
truck
in
your
backyard.
G
I
would
make
a
motion
to
approve
this.
This
proposal
for
316
broadway.
B
All
right.
We
can
go
ahead
with
a
vote:
amy
smith,
hi,
patrick
hi,
ed,
all
right,
erin,
hi
diesel
made
the
motion,
appearance,
baron,
all
right
dawn.
K
B
And
I
vote
I
so
the
alternative
compliance
proposal
is
approved.
S
B
B
You've
got
first
item
under
all
business
is
the
adoption
of
the
zero
net
loss
resolution
and
I
think
everybody's
aware
that
city
council
adopted
the
resolution
unanimously,
so
that
lays
out
a
good
road
map
for
the
future
and
a
lot
of
work
for
the
next
few
years.
B
So
I
julie's
not
here
today,
but
I
really
thank
her
for
her
help.
The
last
over
the
last
couple
of
years,
working
with
us
and
and
really
helping
explain
some
of
this
to
other
council
members,
and
she
did-
you
know,
give
us
the
recommendation
that
we
should
make
this
resolution
comprehensive
as
possible.
B
So
with
her
with
with
some
help
from
her
on
that,
I
think
we
we
came
up
with
a
very
good
resolution.
B
E
B
Thanks
everybody,
I
think
I
think
it's
it's
taken
a
little
time
for
the
city
council
to
get
to
really
get
it
across
about
where
we're
going
with
this,
and
I
think
they
they
got
it
now.
We
got
some
new
council
members,
but
we
we
have
work
with
some
of
them
also.
So
I
I
think
things
are
looking
pretty
good
the
next
few
years.
If
the
city
can
get
their
budget
back
in
line
in
the
next
year
or
two.
H
This
is
parent.
I
have
a
little
bit
of
news
about
that.
I
spoke
with
councilwoman
elect
kim
rhony
this
morning
and
she
indicated
to
me
that
she
has
put
her
name
in
the
hat,
to
be
counsel
liaison
to
the
ufc
good.
I.
B
Kim's
keeps
up
with
everything
he
knows
to
lay
the
land
yeah,
so.
G
I
would
like
to
interject
here
that
that
taking
the
long
view
is
extremely
important
in
all
this.
G
I
was
the
the
council
liaison
to
the
tree
commission
from
to
2009
forward
and
we
worked
on
trying
to
get
the
invasive
species
off
the
recommended
planning
list
since
then,
and
maybe
we're
getting
there
now
and
from
the
time
I
got
there
in
2009,
I
tried
to
get
the
city
council
to
endorse
the
idea
of
not
of
requiring
non-discrimination
of
based
on
race,
ethnicity
or
gender
orientation.
G
It
took
me
four
years
to
get
the
council
to
endorse
the
bill
of
rights,
so
we
we
got
to
keep
remembering
that
this
is
going
to
take
all
of
our
changes
that
we're
proposing
will
take
time.
That's
all.
B
B
Okay,
item
b
is
the
urban
reforestation
and
environmental
justice
issue
dawn
and
perrin
have
been
working
on
that.
H
Yeah
don,
I
have
my
notes
here,
I'm
happy
for
you
to
summarize
our
conversation
if
you'd
like
to,
I
do
have
some
notes
handy
from
what
we
talked
about.
F
Sure
I
can
we
can
tag
team
and
just
anything
you
can
fill
in
yeah
parent,
and
I
talked
about
the
the
relationship
between
environmental
justice
and
trees
and
trees,
ability
to
mitigate
the
urban
heat
island
effect
and
cool
or
cool
temperatures
in
the
summer
and
provide
other
amenities
to
neighborhoods
that
are
low
wealth,
primarily
marginalized
populations
living
there,
such
as
the
public
housing
developments
in
asheville
and
as
we
were
talking,
I
was
explaining
how
the
housing
authority
of
the
city
of
asheville
or
hakka
is
a
separate
enterprise
from
the
city
government.
F
They
have
their
own
operations
and
they
have
some.
Flexibility
have
been
great
partners
with
asheville
greenworks
over
the
years
in
doing
some
tree
planting
in
public
housing
developments,
and
so
we
have
helped
install
a
number
of
orchards,
fruit
orchards
in
development
such
as
diver
view
and
hillcrest,
and.
H
So
we
we
did
identify
three
areas
of
potential
action
that,
and
that's
one
of
them
is
don
don,
has
volunteered
to
take
the
lead
in
continuing
to
talk
to
the
housing
authority
of
sorry
hakka.
What
I
don't
know
what
the
c
stands
for,
but
asheville
housing
authority,
how's.
H
City
of
asheville,
thank
you,
so
so
don's
going
to
continue
conversations
with
them
and
advance
the
conversation
with
their
director
about
planting
more
trees
there
in
the
asheville
housing
authority,
housing
complexes,
as
well
as
looking
for
funding
possibilities
within
the
housing
authority
for
tree
planting
and
tree
maintenance
long
term
there,
and
so
that
was
an
idea
that
a
council
person
mayfield
had
introduced
that
we
could
ask
hakka
for
funding,
and
I
guess
don
will
find
out
whether
or
not
that's
feasible
funding
for
that.
H
H
As
that
conversation
continues
to
see
if
we
can
find
opportunities
and
support
among
reparations
activists
for
incorporating
reforestation
of
and
urban
canopy
protection
within
some
of
these
low-income
neighborhoods
and
have
most
heavily
impacted
neighborhoods
in
asheville
as
one
of
the
reparations
priorities.
H
So
that's
another
potential
source
of
funding
potentially
and
then
the
third
prong
of
this
is
that
actually
don?
Maybe
you
can
speak
a
little
bit
more
about
this.
This
is
about
greenworks
meetings
coming
up
in
the
first
half
of
2021
to
discuss
the
framework
for
the
comprehensive
urban
forestry
plan
and
just
participating
in
that
conversation
to
keep
the
environmental
justice
angle
in
that,
in
that
conversation,
to
make
sure
that's
a
part
of
the
urban
comprehensive
urban
forestry
planning.
As
we
go
forward.
F
Right,
yes,
so
what
karen's
referring
to
is
greenworks
has
a
contract
with
the
city
of
asheville
for
a
number
of
things
and
one
of
the
ones
with
the
activities.
That's
on
the
agenda
for
this
year
is
to
a
host
three
or
four
meetings
with
across
departments
in
the
city
and
with
other
subject
planners
and
the
housing
authority
and
the
interested
parties
laying
the
foundation
for
developing
an
urban
forest
master
plan.
F
So
not
developing
their
reports,
mr
plan
itself,
but
getting
the
framework
together
for
that,
and
so
all
of
the
important
pieces
that
need
to
be
included.
And
so
I
will
be
facilitating
those
meetings,
starting
probably
in
january
or
february
this
year
of
the
coming
year.
H
So
I
I
want
to
thank
dawn
for
the
time
and
the
care
and
and
mental
energy
that
she's
put
into
this
whole
issue
and
also
just
the
work
that
dawn
has
put
into
this
issue
over
the
years.
H
This
is
nothing
new
for
her
or
asheville
greenworks,
but
also
in
terms
of
just
the
energy
that
dawn's
putting
into
work
working
with
me
on
this,
and
I'm
really
optimistic
that
we
came
up
with
three
different
fronts
that
we
can
work
to
advance
this
agenda
within
the
city
of
asheville
to
to
start
taking
bite-sized
pieces
out
of
this
urban
reforestation
project.
We've
been
talking
about
for
a
long
time.
F
Thanks
karen
thanks
for
your
help
with
that
as
well,
and
your
your
interest
and
enthusiasm
for
it,
you
know
I
I
get
concerned
when
things
like
affordable
housing
are
pitted
against
tree
cover,
and
urban
forestry,
as
it
was
in
the
recent
affordable
housing
economic
development
committee,.
F
F
Paul
d'angelo
was
referring
to
how
the
the
newly
adopted
tree
protection
ordinance
amendment
is
causing
hardship
for
developers
to
build,
affordable
housing,
and
I
think
that
remains
to
be
seen.
I
think
some
of
the
examples
case
studies
that
were
reviewed
earlier
by
city
staff
showed
that
the
the
ordinance
amendment
would
not
be
causing
huge
obstacles.
F
The
example
he
pointed
to
was
that
somebody
was
saying
how
it
added
60
thousand
dollars
to
their
development
project,
so
I
I
think,
rather
than
just
throwing
out
unsubstantiated
anecdotes
about
how
this
ordinance
is
going
to
be
detrimental
to
the
development
community
and
affordable
housing,
that
we
need
real
evidence
of
that
before
people
start
reacting.
D
You
know
so
I
made
the
comment
earlier
that
you
know
why
don't
they
leave
out
sewer
and
water
to
make
it
even
more
affordable?
The
point
is
that
if
it's
not
quality
housing
with
within
a
healthy
environment,
then
it's
you're
you're,
paying
now
or
paying
later.
So
it's
it
just
loses
the
affordability
argument
completely.
E
So,
mr
chairman,
I
was
going
to
bring
this
up
at
another
point
in
the
agenda,
but
since
donna's
brought
it
up-
and
I
did
send
an
email
out
to
everyone
today
regarding
the
discussion
within
the
affordable
housing
advisory
committee-
and
I
think
ben
has
some
remarks
to
say
about
this,
but
I
think
it
it
is
concerning
that
different
departments
within
the
city
have
different
views
on
this
ordinance.
E
An
issue
to
me
where
some
of
the
advisory
boards
and
commissions
also
aren't
working
together
on
these
issues,
so
that
you
know
we
can
allay
any
concerns
that
affordable
housing
has
from
the
ufc
standpoint
that
the
tree,
canopy
preservation
ordinance,
is
not
going
to
be
a
hindrance
to
the
city's
ability
to
build
and
offer
affordable
housing.
E
I
know
that
sage
turner
indicated
that
the
tree
canopy
preservation
ordinance,
needs
to
be
amended
sooner
rather
than
later,
and
I
know
that
dsd
has
said
to
us
that
they
are
going
to
closely
monitor.
E
Making
some
additional
tweaks
to
the
ordinance,
but
we
want
to
make
sure
that
if
there
are
additional
tweaks
to
that
ordinance,
it's
done
based
on
adequate
data
and
not
based
on
misinformation.
C
Safe
area
and
variances,
cannot
be
used
as
to
allow
the
developer
something
that
they're
being
burdened
with,
and
we've
got
to
make
sure
that
our
719
one
isn't
subject
to
many
variances
in
the
process,
because
when
I
heard
that
it
just
set
off
bells
and
whistles
for
me
all
kinds
of
caution,
we
can't
variance
our
way
out
of
something.
Just
because
we
don't
like
it
and
that's
what
she
said.
D
I
imagine
she's
been
around
a
long
time,
but
but
she's
new
to
city
council,
and
there
are
many
things
she
may
not
know
yet
at
this
point,
so
I
think
a
little
a
little
bit
of
patience
on
our
part
is
in
order
to
to,
and
we
have
a
job
to,
educate
new
city
council,
which
is
a.
B
Discussion-
I'm
not
sure
it
has
just
so
curious
about
this.
If
she
has
a
certain
specific
objection,
it
can
dsd
get
back
to
her
and
clarify
that
so
that
we
orders
it
up
to.
I
don't
think
it's
up
to
the
urban
forestry
commission
that
that
would
be
up
to
the
city
declare
if
she
has
a
specific
objection
that
she's
raised.
I
don't
know
whether
she
has.
M
So,
mr,
mr
chairman,
this
is
ben
woody
if
I
can
just
take
a
second,
so
I'm
always
amazed
by
by
the
staff
in
dsd,
because
patrick
you
emailed
this
to
us,
I
feel
like
it
was
just
a
couple
hours
ago.
I
don't
remember
exactly
when,
but
chris
has
already
kind
of
dug
up
the
answer,
so
we
actually
already
have
the
correct
information
right
and
I'm
not
going
to
go
through.
We
can
email
that
to
this
commission
he'll
answer
a
lot
of
your
questions.
It's
not
it's
not
sixty
thousand
dollars.
M
Remember
the
fee
was
the
the
the
design
professional
made
incorrect
calculations
and
also
remember
the
fee
is
not
mandatory.
It's
optional.
You
can
always
in
this
case
plant
two
or
three
trees
and
avoid
avoid
the
fee
and
everything
so
everybody
when
they
design
the
site.
There's
multiple
choices,
there's
right
the
fee,
there's
the
plantings,
there's
a
combination,
so
let
us
get
the
correct
information
to
to
this
body,
so
you
can
see
that
and
I'll.
Let
maybe
chris
take
the
lead
on
that.
Then.
M
What
we
can
also
do
to
your
point,
mr
chairman,
is
we
can
follow
up
with
the
affordable
housing,
advisory
commission
and
paul
d'angelo
and
kind
of
close
that
loop
with
them
as
well,
because
you,
you
only
know
what
you're
told
and
if
you're
not
exactly
in
fairness
to
both
of
them.
If
you're
not
told
accurate
information,
then
you
know
that
that's
that's
just
you're
kind
of
limited
by
the
quality
of
the
source
of
information.
M
The
the
other
thing
I
know
dawn
you
had
spoken
earlier
don
chavez,
one
of
the
things
we
talked
about
that
I
think
is
related
to
this-
is
the
city
partnering
with
greenworks
to
try
to
try
to
hold
some
like
education
series
or
some
ways
to
educate
our
contractors
and
design
professionals
and
developers
about
what
this
tree
ordinance
really
does
and
doesn't
do
and
dawn.
As
far
as
I
know,
I
think
we're
still
planning
to
do
that
in
the
near
future.
Now,
maybe
virtually
but
again
it's
something
we
can
do.
B
Yeah
we
I
really
appreciate
that
ben
and
because
you
know
it's
better
to
get,
if
somebody
has
misinformation,
it's
better
to
hit
that
head
on
and
you
know
before.
Rumors
start,
you
know
all
kind
of
stuff.
You
know
it's.
You
know
the
story
about
passing
a
word
around
the
room,
you
know
and
it
when
in
the
end
it
gets
to
be
different.
It's
completely
different
than
it
started
so
yeah.
A
Hey
steve
sorry,
this
is
amy.
I
wanted
to
add
just
one
thing
to
this
bit
of
conversation.
I
think
it
was
patrick
kind
of
made
a
good
point
that
we
have
an
opportunity
here
to
possibly
reach
out
and
work
together
with
some
other
commissions
and
perhaps
as
the
ufc
we
could
set
something
up
where
one
two
three
of
us
could
sit
in
or
visit
with
their
meetings
and
vice
versa,
to
try
to
create
some
collaboration
across
commissions.
Answer
questions
about
trees.
You
know
where
we
see
everything
headed.
A
You
know
where
they
see
things
headed.
You
know
see
if
we
can
create
that
kind
of
grouping
up,
but
you
know
I
don't
know,
I
guess
if
I'm
talking
about
it,
maybe
I'll
volunteer
to
start
something
up
and
see
if
we
can
make
some
of
those
connections
and
maybe
by
january
I'll,
get
back
to
this
group
with
you
know,
perhaps
an
outline
of
where
we
could
go
with
that.
But
I
think
that's
important
something.
B
Yeah
excellent
and
in
fact,
stacy,
you
know,
made
some
efforts
to
to
reach
out
to
other
commissions
and
we
we
have
had
some
liaisons
with
them
on
several
issues
and
several
of
us
spoke
to
other
commissions
in
the
past.
I
went
over
and
spoke
to
a
downtown
commission
a
couple
of
times
and
you
know
just
to
give
them
kind
of
an
outline
of
where
we
were
going
with
things
in
the
last
year
or
two
so
yeah.
B
So,
okay,
the
hog,
creek
elementary
school,
patrick.
E
Yes,
I
wanted
to
give
the
commission
an
update
on
that
project
and
the
involvement
of
some
of
the
commission
members
with
the
buncombe
county
schools.
E
So
just
a
brief
recap:
buncombe
county
schools
put
in
development
plans
for
an
addition
to
hall
creek
elementary
school,
which
included
a
stormwater
retention
pond.
E
And,
as
a
result,
after
the
business
county,
schools
got
the
approval
from
the
trc
to
move
ahead.
With
this
project,
we
learned
the
full
extent
of
what
was
involved
in
the
construction
in
terms
of
the
removal
of
a
substantial
amount
of
more
mature
trees
from
a
wooded
area
that
the
not
only
does
the
community
use
for
walking
and
and
recreation,
but
the
school
also
uses
as
an
environmental
learning
center
for
the
the
students
of
the
school.
E
E
Now
at
this
point,
we
couldn't
really
do
anything
about
the
development
because
it
had
already
received
approval.
But
I
wanted
to
look
for
ways
to
have
a
positive
outcome
to
a
negative
situation.
E
So
we
contacted
the
buncombe
county
schools,
their
superintendent
and
their
director
of
planning
and
facilities,
and
we
asked
for
a
meeting
to
discuss
this
issue,
which
we
had
back
in
june,
and
the
director
of
planning
in
facilities
with
the
backing
of
the
school
superintendent
said
that
they
were
willing
to
work
with
some
members
of
the
urban
forestry
commission
on
advising
them
on
not
only
what
they
could
do
to
mitigate
the
removal
of
so
many
trees,
but
also
advise
them
on
other
school
construction
projects
within
the
city
of
asheville,
in
terms
of
any
effect
related
to
to
to
trees.
E
E
We
toured
the
project
to
look
at
areas
where
we
thought
that
we
could
recommend
planting
of
trees
to
replace
those
that
were
removed,
and
it
turned
out
to
be
an
extremely
positive
experience.
E
The
more
we
talked,
the
more
I
think,
excited
the
tim
fairley
and
the
principal
the
school
got
in
into
this
idea,
and
ultimately,
we
identified
three
areas
where
we
could
present
buncombe
county
schools.
With
the
reforestation
plan,
I
think
we
determined
that
the
removal
of
trees
amounted
to
a
estimated
12
to
14
000
square
feet
of
tree
canopy
loss.
E
The
three
areas
of
that
we
identified
as
a
potential
for
reforestation
would
total
up
to
about
at
a
minimum
20
000
square
feet
of
pre-canopy
replacement,
so
in
terms
of
zero
net
loss,
that's
about
a
20
percent
increase
from
what
we
hope
to
achieve
in
a
zero
net
loss
sum.
So
I
think
that
was
a
great
win
for
us.
I
think
it
was
going
to
be
a
win
for
buncombe
county
schools
going
forward
and
there
are
still
some
things
left
to
do.
E
We
need
to
get
a
forestry
reforestation
plan
to
buncombe
county
schools,
so
they
can
put
in
their
budget
request
for
phase
two
of
this
project,
where
the
trees
will
be
planted,
money
for
the
purchase
of
trees.
E
If
buncombe
county
can't
come
up
with
the
money
for
the
that
many
trees
to
to
replant,
and
then
we
have
to
just
have
discussions
about
how
those
trees
are
going
to
get
maintained,
particularly
in
the
critical
first
year
or
two
of
the
planning,
and
I
think
we're
going
to
do.
E
A
combination
of
I
helped
help
with
asheville
greenworks,
along
with
the
the
school's
pta,
and
I
got
a
commitment
last
week
from
the
hall
creek
community
association
board
to
also
have
provide
volunteers
for
that
maintenance
which
I
hope
will
be
directed
by
asheville
greenworks.
E
So
I
and
you
know,
I
think
the
buncombe
county
schools
is
interested
in
the
urban
forestry
commission,
advising
them
on
other
projects
in
buncombe
county,
not
just
the
city
of
asheville.
E
So
I
think
it
was
a
great
win
for
for
us,
and
I
really
want
to
thank
ed
and
amy
for
all
their
work
on
this.
So
that's
my
update.
B
Guys.
Our
next
item
is
d
enforcement
and
training
for
tree
canopy
preservation.
I've
got
patrick
listed
there.
E
So
yeah
I'll
I'll
just
start
out.
Sharon
sumrall
and
I
have
been
receiving
a
lot
of
inquiries
from
citizens
and
neighborhood
associations
concerned
about
the
enforcement
of
the
true
cri
tree,
canopy
preservation,
ordinance
and
as
well
as
enforcement
of
the
city's
steep
slope
requirements.
E
Since
the
approval
of
the
ordinance,
we
haven't
had
much
discussion
regarding
enforcement
or
training,
and
I
thought
that
this
was
a
would
be
a
good
chance
to
bring
this
up
and
begin
that
discussion
with
dsd.
E
And
I
can
I
see
by
the
agenda
that
dsd
has
already
has
something
prepared
in
terms
of
discussion
for
enforcement
and
training.
So
I
will
yield
the
floor
to
them
and
then
we
can
come
back
and
ask
any
questions
or
comments
that
we
have
after
their
presentation.
K
K
K
C
Can
I
ask
a
question
on
that
so
you're
tied
in
with
green
works,
as
far
as
like
with
inspectors,
because
I
do
know
like
the
city-
will
have
their
inspector
grading
testing
to
move
them
inspectors
up
and
and
make
them
comply
with
the
current
ordinance
changes,
etc,
because
I've
seen
those
tests
administered
to
some
of
the
inspectors.
K
Yes,
so
part
of
that
training
is
for
specifics
for
staff
and
it
may
be
beyond
just
the
site
inspectors
as
well
as
we
were
looking
at
outreaching
to
contractors
and
design
professionals
to
start
getting
providing
some
addition,
some
training
for
them
on
tree
protection
and
best
practices,
not
just
the
ordinance
itself,
but
also
what
are
the
best
practices
on
a
construction
site.
C
So
then
greenworks
would
provide
the
conduit
of
the
people
that
they
would
bring
in.
That
would
provide
the
education
for
the
staff.
Is
that
how
that
that
order
of
things
and
your
elected
brains
is
going
yeah.
K
C
Okay,
thank
you.
Well,
we
hadn't
heard
what
the
order
has
been
and-
and
I
do
know
that
we've
had
some
submissions
on
7
19
1.,
so
we're
gonna
have
to
have
people
out
there
to
look
at
it
and
know
what
they're
so
far.
The
only
one
I
know
is
going
through
is
the
one
that
came
through
today
on
trc
and
there
are
no
trees,
so
that
should
be
a
simple
process
to
figure
out.
C
N
The
one
thing
I'll
add
for
y'all
building
on
what
nancy
said
is
what
we're
seeing
is.
N
You
know,
despite
the
fact
that
we
put
a
lot
of
tools
out
there
to
help
people
understand
this
ordinance
and
calculate
the
requirements,
we're
seeing
people
really
struggling
with
it
at
the
get-go,
so
that
that
part
about
providing
education
to
our
surveyors
and
design
professionals
and
folks,
like
that,
that's
kind
of
going
to
really
rise
on
our
radar.
As
far
as
the
staff
go,
we
have
a
detail
for
traffic
pre-protection.
N
We
have
a
plan
which
will
show
which
trees
it's
a
little
bit
easier
than
getting
the
folks
who
have
to
draw
these
plans
where
we
need
them
to
be,
and
once
you
get
information
about
that
one,
affordable
housing,
development
you'll
see
exactly
what
I'm
talking
about
it's
a
lot
of
designer
error,
so
that's
kind
of
rising
the
top.
We
don't
have
a
real,
strong
stream
of
development
applications
right
now
like
we
do.
Sometimes
you
know
we're
heading
into
the
holiday
season,
we're
definitely
still
in
a
pandemic.
N
You
know
so
it's
going
to
be
a
little
while
till
we
build
up
enough
meaningful
data
and
have
had
enough
actual
complete
plans
come
through
to
see
what's
happening
here,
but
we
are
having
our
planner
viewers
whenever
they
review
and
approve
the
step
which
we
haven't
approved
one.
Yet
with
a
tree
protection
plan,
I
don't
think
they're
going
to
be
recording
the
square
feet,
preserved
square
feet
planted
and
square
feet
paid
for
so
we're
going
to
have
a
running,
reportable
tally
on
all
that.
E
I
know
we
had
some
discussions
about
possibly
creating
a
checklist
for
inspectors
to
go
over
when
they
go
out
to
inspect
development
sites
related
to
the
tree,
canopy
preservation
amendment,
and
we
also
had
discussed
about
dsd,
providing
regular
reports
to
the
urban
forestry
commission
regarding
not
only
the
progress
of
the
the
ordinance
but
also
enforcement
and
enforcement
reports.
N
I
think
so
and
nancy-
I
guess
maybe
this
can
just
maybe
become
just
a
regular
check-in
on
the
agenda
monthly.
The
monthly
report
for
permitting
an
enforcement.
B
N
And
I'd
be
interested
to
learn
from
y'all,
not
necessarily
now
you
can
think
about
it.
But
I've
told
you
the
kind
of
data
we're
going
to
try
and
report
on
with
development
reviews
and
permitting
so
that's
square
footage
of
how
we're
affecting
tree
canopy,
basically
and
then
we'll
also
be
able
to
report
back
on
individual
tree
removal
permits,
which
of
course,
supplies
deep,
slow
zones,
aquatic
buffers
and
down.
The
line
will
apply
for
these
developments
and
enforcement.
Wise
we'll
have
to
put
something
together,
we're
kind
of
wrangling.
N
A
N
Yeah,
I
will
say
we
should
probably
on
your
like,
not
when
your
future
agendas
start
taking
up
the
idea
of
management
of
the
fiance
program
and
start
coming
up
with
the
the
framework.
For
that,
because
I
know
we've
always
said
we
want
to
lean
heavily
on
the
urban
forestry
commission
to
help
us
kind
of
program
how
this
is
going
to
go.
N
B
Okay,
all
right
any
more
discussion
there
on
this
item.
Thank
you
thanks.
Let's
move
to
e,
which
is
the
mission
statement
amy,
we
you
and
parent-
and
I
have
worked
on
this
some
I
I
I
got
some
other
ideas
the
other
day
about
you
know.
Maybe
we
probably
need
to
have
a
little
zoom
meeting
or
something
pretty
soon,
but
go.
A
No,
you
just
did
that
was
it
so
stephen
parent
and
I
are
working
on
it,
but
we're
getting
some
progress.
So
I
assume
by
january
we
probably
won't
have
a
meeting
in
december
so
by
january,
we'll
have
something
for
the
commission
and
we'll
get
it
out
to
everybody
for
review
and
discussion.
You
know
before
it
gets
there.
B
H
And
maybe
this
is
a
good
opportunity
for
us
to
just
throw
it
out
there
that
if
anybody
has
any
input
that
they
want
to
give
to
us,
it
would
be
better
to
get
that
early.
So
it
can
be
incorporated
into
a
statement
really
found
strongly
about
being
in
a.
A
B
B
E
Do
you
amy
and
and
parent?
Do
you
force
ce
the
mission
statement
requiring
any
amendment
to
chapter
two
of
the
code
of
ordinances
which
covers
administration
and
boards
and
commissions,
because
right
now,
what's
in
there
for
the
tree,
commission
or
the
urban
forestry
commission
sort
of
sounds
like
a
mission
statement,
although
it
may
not
be
described
that
way?
But
I
just
wanted
to
know
what
your
thoughts
are
on.
B
A
I
think,
if
part
of
that's
going
to
be
up
to
the
city
on
you
know
how
we
implement.
You
know
what
we
decide
upon,
but
to
your
point.
Yes,
we
would
want
to
incorporate
it
officially
once
we
get
it
nailed
down,
it's
not
too
far
different
from
what's
in
the
ordinance
now,
just
we're
working
on
making
it
a
little
more
detailed
and
actionable
so
that
we
have
something
to
go
on
in
there.
So
but
yeah
to
your
point,
that'll
have
to
be
looked
at.
B
B
Okay,
all
right
item
f
is
the
open
space
amendment.
I
have
parents
name
on
that
too.
H
H
The
the
big
news
flash,
which
was
just
that
negotiations
with
city
staff,
were
unsuccessful
in
resolving
the
the
remaining
sticking
points
that
we
had
enumerated
in
our
motion
of
opposition,
with
the
exception
that
the
city
staff
did
agree
to
abandon
the
effort
to
reduce
the
minimum
open
space
dimension
from
24
by
24
feet
to
12
by
12
feet,
meaning
that
city
staff
did
agree
to
restore
the
original
24
to
24
foot
minimum
for
open
for
any
individual
open
space
on
a
property.
H
So
there
was
that
one
concession,
essentially
the
three
big
ticket
items
that
we
put
on
there.
Where
were
non-starters
for
city
staff
and,
as
all
of
you
know,
you
have
signed
a
letter
authored
by
patrick
to
express
your
support
for
the
open
space
amendment.
H
But
I
do
want
to
point
out
that
it
may
have
been
somewhat
premature
to
send
that
letter
in
the
sense
that
I
think
the
sense
on
the
ufc
was
that
we
fought
as
hard
as
we
could
to
get
the
changes
made
in
the
ordinance
and
we
got
the
changes
made
that
we
could
get
made
and
when
we
reached
an
impasse
with
city
staff.
The
feeling
the
dominant
feeling
among
the
group
was
well.
We
did
what
we
could
and
we
should
acknowledge
the
gains
that
we
made
and
that's
that's
when
that
letter
was
issued.
H
But
maybe
not
everybody
on
this
call
is
aware
that
other
groups
are
still
hashing
their
way
through
their
differences
with
the
open
space
amendment
and
are
have
actually
succeeded
in
taking
it
off
of
the
city
council's
agenda
and
kicking
it
down
to
the
new
council's
purview.
So
so
the
december
city
council
meeting
will
have
last.
H
I
checked
there
will
be
a
hearing
for
in
front
of
the
new
council
for
the
the
open
space
amendment
and
that
I
think
I've
even
heard
rumblings
that
it
may
even
be
postponed
beyond
the
december
meeting.
H
So
so
suffice
it
to
say
that
there
is
there's
a
new
cast
of
characters
on
city
council
and
there
may
be
time
to
continue
to
hash
out
our
concerns
with
the
new
council,
and
it
might
be
worth
exploring
that,
while
there
are
other
people
in
city
government
who
are
trying
to
make
beneficial
changes
to
the
ordinance
as
proposed
the
amendment
as
proposed.
H
E
Yeah,
so
I
think
we
sent
the
letter
to
the
city
council.
E
With
the
expectation
that
the
council
was
going
to
have
a
public
hearing
on
the
open
space,
I
I
think
it
was
a
couple
days
following
the
receipt
of
the
letter
at
this
point.
At
that
point,
I
know
that
we
had
some
communication
with
cece,
who,
I
think
was
the
last
boarding
commission.
That
planning
went
to
regarding
open
space.
E
So,
based
on
that,
all
that
we
we
went
ahead
and
sent
a
letter
only
to
discover
afterward
that
the
open
space
amendment
was
rescheduled
and
now
has
been
rescheduled
again.
E
I'm
not
sure
what
the
outcome
of
that
was
other
than
stacy
has
also
submitted
their
approval
for
the
open
space
amendment,
and
so
I
was
hoping
that
with
what
we
were
able
to
accomplish
and
what,
if
stacey,
could
have
accomplished
some
more
positive
changes
to
the
ordinance
language
that
combined,
we
made
the
ordinance
better
than
what
it
was
originally.
E
I
think
for
me
anyway.
The
issue
that
I
fought
and
well
all
of
us
fought
so
hard
on
with
the
open
space
amendment
was
somehow
bringing
in
the
tree
canopy
preservation
amendment
and
our
ultimate.
E
Requirement
for
drastically
reducing
the
open
space
requirements
and
we
were
told
that
the
legal
department
had
advised
against
doing
that,
and
so
I
I
myself
considered
that
then
that
that
particular
that
major
issue
was
moved.
But
you
know
it's
up.
I
guess
to
the
to
the
commission
whether
it
wants
to
renew
discussions
with
the
city
for
additional
improvements,
whether
it
wants
to
advocate
with
the
with
the
new
council
about
our
position,
our
open
space.
H
Yes,
thank
you,
patrick,
and
I
I
think
the
opportunity
here
is
less
with
city
staff
and
more
with
the
new
council
members
to
perhaps
create
more
room
for
more
improvements
to
maybe
send
it
back
to
the
drawing
board
again
before
there's
a
final
vote,
and
so
you
know
I
I've
spoken
my
personal
capacity
with
incoming
council
person
kim
rony
about
that,
and
I
I
think
that
she
will.
She
will
push
for
more
improvements
on
her
and
to
the
best
of
her
ability.
H
And
so
so
that's
what
I
meant
when
I
said:
there's
an
opportunity,
not
so
much
with
city
staff.
But
if
we
can
convince
council
to
come
to
the
position
that
it's
better
to
have
consensus
and
that
they
want,
they
want
city
staff
to
come
back
to
the
drawing
board
with
us.
You
know
we
may
be
able
to
get
more
positive
changes
and
so
that
that's
the
thrust,
that's
my
intent
in
bringing
up
the
opportunity
to
continue.
E
Well,
I
you
know,
I
do
agree
that
overall
in
comparison
to
the
tree,
canopy
preservation
ordinance
language,
which
was
well
crafted
by
both
the
department
of
development
services
and
the
urban
forestry
commission.
E
It
was
you
know
at
least
to
us.
It
was
very
clear,
straightforward
and
well
done,
and
I
agree
that
the
open
space
amendment
language
is
very
convoluted,
very
confusing,
and
you
know
if
I
had
my
ultimate
perfect
world,
that
the
language
in
that
ordinance
would
be
completely
rewritten,
but
whether
that's
doable
or
not.
Well,
I
guess
we'll
have
to
see.
H
H
B
E
So
are:
are
you
suggesting
a
specific
action
for
the
commission
to
take
well.
H
I
I
think
you
know,
based
on
the
conversation
I
had
with
kim
ronnie
this
morning.
You
know
we
have
a
line
to
two
at
least
two
other
council
people,
shanika
smith
and
antoinette
mosley
and
cameroni.
Those
would
be
three
potential
council
people
who
may
be
persuadable
to
advocate
for
more
deliberation
before
a
vote
is
taken
and
more
negotiation.
Perhaps
so
the
question
is:
who
would
the
fourth
vote
be
in
a
in
a
perfect
world?
I
don't
know
the
answer
to
that
question.
H
I
think
sage
is
very
much
in
favor
of
of
get
getting
it
through,
but
we'll
we'll
see
and-
and
I
assume
that
sandra
is
also
very
much
in
favor-
of
the
open
space
amendment
given
her
participation
on
planning
and
zoning.
H
So
so
so
I
don't
know
who
that
fourth
council
person
could
be,
but
I
think
it's
worth
thinking
about
if
we
have
connections
to
any
of
these
folks
and
if
anybody
is
able
to
drop
a
line
to
another
one
of
the
council
people
or
any
of
the
council
people,
the
incoming
council,
I
think
that
you
know
we
may
be
able
to
buy
ourselves
more
time
to
continue
negotiating
with
the
city
about
this.
H
B
We
can
coordinate
with
other,
particularly
stacy
as
well.
That
would
be
good.
C
C
But
I
mean
how
many
personally
I'm
in
agreement
with
parent,
I
mean,
with
the
amount
of
time
that
we
spent
on
it.
C
I
personally
just
see
nothing
but
problems
with
this
open
space
ordinance
being
the
way
it
is,
but
unless
we
get
a
collective
like
we've
done
before,
when
we
were
trying
to
push
for
an
urban
forestry
master
plan
or
forester
that
we
populate
with
emails
council
saying
that
it
needs
to
be
rethought,
and
then
that
puts
us
in
the
position
again,
I
think,
of
working
with
staff
on
well
because
they
work
with
us.
How
do
we
want
to
see
it
be
done?
C
H
Yes
and
mr
chairman,
I
think
it's
worth
noting
that
stacy
was
pushed
over
the
edge
to
go
ahead
and
issue
that
letter
of
support
by
this
group
and
the
fact
that
we
were
going
to
go
ahead
and
issue
a
letter
saying
that
we,
you
know,
did
all
we
could,
and
so
they,
I,
I
think
you
know
considering
the
new
council,
considering
the
fact
that
stacy
did
have
outstanding
concerns.
I
think
it's
worth
reaching
out
to
them.
H
B
Talk
to
at
stacy,
well
ann
keller
for
sure,
she's,
the
vice
chair
and
she
lives
like
two
doors
for
me,
but
she
she's
a
conversant
completely
in
the
issue
so
and
she
could
give
you
whoever
else's
name
might
be,
might
be
also
wanting
to
involve.
Thank.
N
C
It
was
also
a
subcommittee
parent
that,
because
they're
not
meeting
right
so
a
subcommittee
took
it
upon
themselves
and
there
was,
I
think,
three
or
four
in
the
subcommittee,
and
I
can
talk
to
you
offline
about
who
conversation
I've
had
with
two
of
the
members
and,
if
you're
willing
to
grab
the
you
know,
grab
this
and
run
with
it.
I
can
give
you
the
information
that
I
have.
C
H
Yes,
yes,
I
mean,
if
folks
don't
object
to
that,
I
mean
I
know
that
I'm
kind
of
paddling
in
a
different
direction
than
the
last
direction
we
chose.
But
a
lot
has
changed
and
I'd
be
happy
to
do
that,
and
I
appreciate
both
of
both
your
and
steve's
input
on
that.
C
E
Okay-
all
right
great!
So
do
we
have
to
rectify
the
conflicting
statements,
one
that
the
urban
forestry
commission
officially
took
on
open
space
and
the
letter
that
was
signed
by
the
urban
forestry
commission
working
group
on
open
space
which
supports
the
open
space
amendment?
Do
we
need
to
rectify
that
before
the
next
council
meeting
I'd
like
to
like
to
hear
from
some
of
the
other
commission
members
on
that.
A
Well
currently,
as
far
as
the
urban
forestry
commission,
the
was
it
a
resolution
that
we
passed
that
opposed
the
key
points
and
we
laid
out
those
points.
That
is
where
we
stand
as
a
commission.
So
unless
we
want
to
change
that
position,
that's
what's
official
right
now
and
and
like
parent
was
saying,
the
letter
is
just
additional
as
far
as
citizens,
so
you're
welcome
to
as
a
citizen
adjust
that
in
any
way
you
see
fit.
A
B
Okay,
all
right
thanks
everybody,
good
discussion.
Okay
g
is
a
sustainability.
B
Commit
committee's
climate
justice
input
session
that
was
like
two
weeks
ago.
I
think
amy
you
can
give
us
an
update
on
that.
It
went
really
well.
I
listened
to
it.
I
thought
amy
did
a
great
job.
B
There
were
four
four
topics,
and,
and
urban
forestry
was
one
of
them
of
key
key
items
and
sustainability
for
the
city
go
ahead.
Amy.
A
Yeah,
so
it
was
october,
28th
stacey
put
together
what
they
called
a
climate
justice
public
input
session.
There
were
42
attendees,
I
got
word
from
amber
weaver
and
they
did
have
a
forum
for
adding
input
through
a
survey,
and
I
have
not
been
able
to
get
any
results
from
the
survey.
There
were
some
problems
with
both
the
functionality
and
some
of
the
wording
of
the
questions,
but
I
thought
the
tree
questions
in
particular
were
pretty
good,
I'm
still
working
on
getting
that
data
so
that
we
can
talk
about
it.
A
But
you
are
welcome
to
view
the
recording
it's
on
the
city's
youtube
channel,
so
you
can
just
search
for
stacy.
I
think
it
looks
like
and
october
28th
was
the
date
so
feel
free
to
check
that
out.
I
did
just
basically
an
overview
of
where
we're
at
working
on
urban
forest
issues
in
the
city
of
asheville
and
tried
to
tie
that
in
with
where
we
see
ourselves
going
in
an
environmental
justice
standpoint.
A
So
yeah,
I
think
it
went
very
well
and
stacy's
goal
was
for
that
to
be
the
first
step
of
this
increasing
public
awareness
and
input
on
climate
justice.
So
we'll
have
to
see
you
know
where
we
end
up
next
year,
but
we'll
continue
to
work
with
them.
Now
that
we
have
some
communication
and
people
that
we
were
in
contact
with
on
stacey
in
particular
to
keep
that
rolling.
B
C
I'm
gonna
be
quick,
as
my
dog
is
hungry,
so
she's
like
bugging
me
all
right,
so
this
happened
on
the
property.
I
managed
and
I'm
going
to
condense
this
down,
because
it's
a
staff,
question
tesla,
wants
to
put
in
charging
stations
and
where
they
want
to
put
it
before
was
removal
of
a
couple
trees,
and
I
said
you
can't
remove
trees,
and
so
then
we
talked
about
where
to
move
it
else
on
the
property.
So
we
found
another
spot
and
then
I
don't
hear
anything
from
them
and
I'm
sending
them
emails
about.
C
What's
going
on
and
I'm
talking
to
corporate
office
who's.
Given
me
full
rain
on
this,
because
I
know
how
I
feel
about
the
removal
of
trees,
and
so
I
don't
hear
anything
and
I
get
submitted
a
plan
that
says
the
city
is
approved,
the
charging
stations
and
on
the
planet
says,
trees
should
not
be
removed,
but
they're
putting
this
on.
This
planet
was
drawn
poorly
one
of
the
units
right
dead
center
in
a
parking
lot
island
with
a
tree.
So
that
means
that
tree
is
going
to
come
out.
C
So
I
shoot
an
email
to
I've
got
a
quick
calling
for
ricky
hurley,
because
orr
is
not
his
first
name,
but
I
feel
like
I
just
inundate
him
with
all
my
crazy
questions,
and
he
said
I
said
to
the
tesla
station
they're
going
to
remove
a
vua
tree.
It's
probably
going
to
end
up
going
to
an
alternative
compliance,
because
there's
no
other
way,
there's
no
place
else
on
the
property
to
plant
a
tree
because
we're
planted
the
rest
is
parking
lot
of
buildings.
C
And
so
then
I
heard
nothing
until
this
plane
got
submitted,
and
then
I
heard
that
the
city
was
going
to
allow
them
to
do
a
conditional
use
permit
a
cup
which
meant
it
had
to
go
to
council
which
would
give
them
the
okay
to
remove
the
tree.
So
I
shoot
off
emails
of
corporate
office
and
say:
how
could
you
give
them
permission
to
do
this
and
corporate
said?
C
They
told
me
they
had
approval
and
what
I
want
to
find
out
from
staff
is
on
the
plan
that
they
submitted
and
said
should
not
be
removed,
and
why,
on
a
7-11-3
bua
tree
that
it
would
go
to
a
cup
process
on
tree
removal
where
they
would
have
to
go
to
council,
where
it
just
wouldn't
come
to
alternative
compliance
and
say
we
need
to
remove
this
tree
for
this
thing
now,
I'm
not
going
to
prove
it
for
this,
and
I've
been
given
permission
by
the
owners
not
to
prove
it,
and
so
I
asked
for
more
detailed
plans
showing
where
this
big
unit
is
going
to
go
specifically,
so
it
doesn't
show
it's
in
the
island.
C
So
there's
been
a
lot
of
gray
areas
on
this
and
I
guess
what
I'm
trying
to
find
out
is
how
they
thought
they
could
remove
a
tree
through
a
cup
process
and
get
these
units
installed
without
having
to
be
accountable
for
that
tree.
K
C
And
they
told
us
they
did,
and
so
I
just
found
that
out
after
I
shot
my
email
when
I
said
I'm
really
angry,
I
think
I
sent
it
to
ricky
and
then
I
would
put
my
track
down
to
find
out
that
there
were
no
permits
and
that
they
had
not
told
me
the
truth
right.
K
So
they
can't
remove
a
required
tree
without
replacing
a
required
tree
in
the
location
of
which
said
tree
that
was
required
is
required.
So
if
it's
a
vehicle
used
to
need
to
replace
it
to
meet
those
standards,
so
no
they
couldn't
remove.
I
mean
I
don't
know
which
tree
particularly
talking
about
and
other
things
we'd
have
to
see
a
site
plan
to
make
sure
that,
but
they
would
have
to
meet
the
condition
meet
all
of
the
conditions
and
landscaping
et
cetera
that
are
set
forth
in
the
original
2013
cup.
K
K
Okay
right
that
well
and
that
may
have
been
an
update
to
an
original
cdp.
So
a
cup
is
a
conditional
use.
Permit
right
if
you
go
and
add
anything
above
and
beyond,
or
you
know,
make
changes
to
things
that
were
agreed
upon.
With
that
conditional
use
permit
oftentimes,
you
will
have
to
go
back
through
the
conditional
use
permit
process,
which
is
basically
very
a
conditional
zoning
process
at
this
point,
so
it
has
to
go
back
to
trc.
It
has
to
go
back
to
planning
and
zoning,
and
then
it
would
have
to
go
to
council.
N
To
add
to
that,
we
we
emailed
with
tesla
ricky,
jessica,
bernstein
and
I
in
may-
and
no
we
haven't,
got
an
official
application,
but
they
did
approach
us
with
this
question
on
this
location
and
we
checked
it
out
with
the
city
attorney's
office,
the
scope
of
the
change.
They
won't
need
to
go
back
and
remember
the
cup
to
do
this,
but
we
are
asking
them
for
a
site
plan
that
shows
the
exact
remediation
of
tree
removal.
So.
C
And
earlier
during
trc-
and
I
haven't
looked
at
it-
they
sent
me
a
a
plan
because
I
requested
it
because
I'm
the
one
that
has
to
sign
for
this
approval
as
a
representative
of
the
the
property
owners
so
and
I'm
assuming
that
I
there's
every
permit
that
goes
on
over
there.
I
have
to
sign
for
it.
C
So
they
said
that
they
were
not
going
to
remove
the
tree,
but
I
need
to
see
the
amount
of
damage
you're
going
to
do
and
see
if
it's
going
to
kill
the
tree,
because
I
don't
believe
them.
But
what
I'm
wanting
to
find
out
is
if
it
would
have
gone
through
at
the
cep
process
if
it
would
have
gone,
because
there's
no
other
place
to
put
a
tree,
an
alternative
compliance
that
we're
going
to
remove
that
three.
C
So
because
it
came
in
through
the
vua,
and
I
thought
that
original
was
a
cz
that
came
through
for
that
shopping
center.
So
that's
why
I
thought
maybe
you'd
have
to
go
to
an
alternative
compliance.
So
we're
going
to
take
this
tree
out
and
and
then
I
would
have
said,
there's
no
room
to
plant
another
one.
N
Sure,
I'm
not
sure
we'll
know
till
we
see
what
they
actually
come
at
us
with
right.
They've
got
to
meet
the
the
requirements
of
the
ordinance,
but
I
couldn't
tell
you
out
of
hand
if
that
means
we'd
have
to
amend
the
cup,
to
get
flexibility
there
or
go
through
alternative
compliance,
I'm
not
sure
off
the
top
of
my
head,
which
one
that
would
be.
C
N
That
that
might
be
the
case,
I
just
I'd,
have
to
check
it
out
with
that's.
C
All
right
he's
resubmitted
the
plan
and
I've
hammered
him
so
hard
that
I
don't
think
he's
going
to
get
anywhere
near
that
three.
But
you
know
what
at
this
point,
but
that's.
It
was
a
lot
of
gray
area
that
they
didn't
feed
us
nor
corporate
office
correctly.
They
said
that
they
got
approval
from
the
city
and
they
did
not.
So
that's
what
that
was
about.
So
thank
you,
oh
yeah,
sure
yeah.
B
Well,
thanks
for
taking
that
on
anyway,
okay
b
in
their
new
business
is
the
something
to
topic
that
came
up
under
the
tree
protection
task
force
session
last
week.
B
Leadership,
training
and
long-term
planning,
that's
is,
is
something
definitely
we
need
to
be
thinking
about
and
I'll.
Let
ed
discuss
this
in
more
detail.
I
think
ed
had
some
ideas
on
it.
We
need
to
be
working
on
several
fronts.
With
this,
we
we
have
a
yeah.
D
D
Sort
of
have
a
mini
work
plan
for
which,
which
of
those
tasks
under
the
resolution
we
might
want
to
take
on.
I
know
that
we've
got
several
several
things
in
the
hopper
that
we've
been
talking
about
for
for
a
while
that
we
need
to
revise
and
so
the
first
year.
D
I
think
we
should
have
that
discussion
to
help
us
with
with
you
know
our
direction
over
the
next
12
months,
and
the
other
thing
I
was
suggesting
was
sort
of
succession
planning,
because
many
of
us
will
be
rotating
off
in
a
year
or
so,
and
it
would
be
nice
if
we
had
the
opportunity
to
groom
our
successors
so
that
we
can
continue
pushing
forward
on
some
of
these
really
important
agenda
items
like
the
master
plan.
The
urban
forester
position.
D
Things
like
that,
so
just
wanted
to
throw
that
out
there
now
is
something
to
think
about
at
the
end
of
the
year.
So
when
we
hit
the
ground
running
next
year,
we
can
really
start
thinking
ahead
a
little
bit.
D
E
I
don't
know
if
I
have
any
teeth
left,
but
that's
why.
E
But
at
some
point
yeah
we
we
do
need
to
tackle,
I
think,
a
complete
overhaul
of
chapter
20..
E
D
Right
right,
I
think
I
think
tackling
chapter
20
would
would
help
us
hit
bullet
number
four
in
the
zero
net
loss
resolution,
which
is
related
to
city
operations
in
the
establishment
and
maintenance
of
infrastructure
and
trees
along
public
rights
away.
Things
like
that
so
anyway,
at
some
point
next
year-
and
I
don't
know
what
the
policy
is
regarding
having
a
planning
retreat
for
the
urban
forestry
commission.
D
B
Thoughts
on
that,
because
that's
definitely
something
we
we
need
to
be
working
on.
So
there
was
another
thought
that
I
had
on
that,
but
I
left
my
mind
completely.
It'll
come
back
eventually,
anyway.
Oh
I
know
chapter
20,
since
the
udo
is
going
to
be
completely
rewritten
at
some
point.
You
know
this
will.
B
Hopefully
we
can
work
enough
ahead
and
it
can
be
whatever
we
come
up
can
be
with,
can
be
either
part
of
that
or
early
in
that
process,
a
complete
re
rewriting
of
the
udo
for
the
city,
okay,
next
imc
elections
and
terms,
as
far
as
terms
haley
put
information
together,
haley
and
nancy.
I
think
about
what
our
where
we
are
on
our
terms.
B
Do
you
have
anything
you
could
put
on
the
screen
or
or
just
kind
of
tell
each
one
tell
us
where
we
are?
I
know
I
think
I
have
one
year
left
in
a
regular
term,
and
I
can't
remember
where
everybody
else
is:
I'm
not.
We
have
a
couple
of
people
that
might
need
to
renew.
K
J
B
But
he
gets
you
know
if
you
come
in
under
an
unexpired
term.
The
way
I
understand
it,
you
can
renew
two
more
times
after
that
for
two
regular
terms:
correct.
If
you
choose
to.
B
B
B
B
K
Email
confirmations
with
the
folks
that
are
up
for
renewal
as
if
they
want
to
renew
and
then
I'll,
confirm
attendance,
etc.
I
don't
know
how
covet
affects
that
and
then
we'll
send
that
to
sarah
well,
stephen,
I
think
will
ultimately
send
that
to
sarah
sicker
sarah,
along
with,
are
there
changes
in?
Do
we
want
to
do
the
re-elect
chair
and
vice
chair
this
meeting?
Do
we
do
that?
Every
year.
B
Yes,
yeah:
well,
we
have
that's
something
we
need
to
talk
about,
because
I
I
think
that
we
have
the
flexibility
to
do
those
elections.
When
we
choose
to
do
them.
B
I
think
it's
better
to
go
ahead
and
do
it
so
we
we're,
because
we
probably
won't-
have
a
regular
meeting
next
month
and
we
want
to
get
a
start
on
next
year.
You
know
of
working
on
next
year's
kind
of
outline
for
where
we
want
to
go.
So
what
I'm
thinking
is
we
go
ahead
and
have
elections
now,
unless
there's
some
objection
to
that.
B
I
would
like
to
step
back.
I've
been
chair
for
three
years
and
I
would
like
to
step
back.
I
would
like
to
serve
another
year
on
the
commission,
but
I
don't.
I've
got
a
lot
of
other
things
coming
up
next
year
and
three
years
is
plenty
there.
I
think
it's
you
know
time
to
give
somebody
else
a
chance
to
beat
you.
B
B
So
so
I
would
say
we
open
it
up
for
any
discussion.
Anybody
have
any
thoughts
on
that
first
and
then
we
can
go
through
some
nominations.
If
we'd
like.
D
I
think
that's
a
great
idea,
steve,
I
think
amy
would
find
make
a
fine
care
and
I
would
like
to
nominate
parent,
as
vice
chair.
H
Thank
you
ed.
That's
that
I'm.
I
appreciate
that.
I
also
support
amy
for
chair
and
I
have
to
I.
I
have
to
say
that
I
have
a
different
vision
for
vice
chair
and
I'd
like
to
nominate
patrick
for
vice
chair.
D
Well
before
you
put
your
nomination
off
the
table-
and
this
is
with
all
due
respect
to
patrick-
you-
have
the
longest
tenure
of
the
group
remaining
on
this
commission
because
you're
finishing
a
term
and
then
you
can
do
two
more
consecutive
three-year
terms
and-
and
I
think
that
that's
really
important
for
this
group's
leadership
to
have
that
continuity,
whereas
patrick,
I
was
going
to
say
here
at
the
end
of
your
time,
but
different
way
to
say
that,
but
but
you're
term
limited
at
this
point.
Aren't
you.
E
No,
I
just
was
renewed
last
year
for
a
full
three-year
term,
so
I
have
another
term
after
that.
So
I
choose
to
do
that.
L
H
I
I
would
like
to
just
say
that
I
think
patrick's
experience
on
the
commission,
and
also
his
knowledge
of
procedure
is
is
makes
him
somebody
that
I
like
to
defer
to,
and
I
learn
from
a
lot
and
given
patrick's
ability
to
continue
on
with
the
commission.
I
think
I
would
I
would
like
to
continue
learning
from
from
patrick
and
watching
him
operate
before
I
try
to
take
on
a
bigger
leadership
role
within
the
commission.
A
Also
been
insane,
I've
actually
had
time
to
think
about
this
and
I
am
excited
and
happy
if
you
guys
would
like
to
vote
on
my
nomination
as
chair,
and
I
will
say
that
vice
chair
is
quite
painless.
So
it
would
be
great
if
somebody
wanted
to
really
take
it
on,
because,
obviously
you
want
to
be
excited
and
committed
to
it.
But
it's
really
not
much
more
of
a
commitment
than
the
stuff
you
already
volunteer
to
do.
A
As
far
as
you
know,
there's
just
one
extra
meeting
for
the
agenda
and
then
the
rest
is
whatever
you
choose
to
do,
but
if
somebody
were
excited
to
take
that
on,
that
would
be
better
than
being
thrown
in.
But
it's
quite
painless.
D
Did
anybody
nominate
second
patrick's
nomination.
B
Yeah,
okay,
all
right
anymore.
We
got
seconds
two
nominations
and
it's
a
second.
So
I
think
we
can
proceed
from
here
unless
there's
more
discussion.
E
Well,
I
I'm
I'm
humbled
by
the
the
expression
of
support
and
feeling
that
I
could
do
this
job.
E
I
I
would
like
to
hear
from
amy
specifically
because
I
I
see
the
chair
and
the
vice
chair
working
very
closely
with
each
other,
and
you
know
if
the
occasion
comes
where
you
know
the
the
chair
can't
chair,
then
the
vice
chair
has
to
step
in,
and
I
can
only
say
that
I
have
immense
respect
for
amy
and
the
job
that
she
has
done
as
vice
chair
as
as
well
as
all
the
other
work
that
she's
done
on
the
urban
forestry
commission.
E
A
J
B
Okay,
all
right,
let's
see
not
sure
procedure
here.
Why?
But
we
can
just
do
this.
Why
don't
I
do
a
roll
call
and
we
can
see
we
we
can.
I
think
we
can
vote
on
both
at
once,
just
slate.
B
Okay,
let
me
let
me
start
backwards
just
to
be
a
little
different
don.
What's
your
vote,
the
slate
okay
perrin.
C
B
Kieran
hi
cecil
cecil
still
on
we
lose
cecil,
cecil
didn't
go
to
sleep.
Is
he
no
he's
not
on
there?
I
don't
see
him.
Okay,
sharon,
hi,
ed,
all
right,
okay
and
patrick.
A
C
Thank
you
stephen
for
three
years
of
arduous
working
chair
that
was
tough.
B
Folks,
we
we
can
anytime,
we
choose,
I
think
it's
up
to
us.
We
can
I'm
glad
to
keep
serving
through.
B
M
So
yeah,
stephen,
hey
ben
woody,
first
of
all,
congratulations,
amy
and
patrick,
and
I
would
think
january
is
probably
in
my
experience
in
other
places,
usually
elected
bodies
switch
over
their
first
meeting
in
december
and
generally
advisory
bodies
will
do
their
switches
in
january.
So
I
feel,
like
that's
steve
steve.
You
can
get
us
through
the
end
of
the
year,
maybe
and
then
yeah
we'll
start
fresh
in
january.
But
again,
congratulations,
yeah,.
B
All
righty,
so
the
the
remaining
item
is
d
december
gathering.
Now
I
I
don't
know
of
what
we
could
do,
except
having
an
online
quarantini
or
something.
H
B
I
don't
know,
but
we
we
can
discuss
that
you
know
informally
later
just
have
some
informal
we've
traditionally
gotten
together
in
december
and
for
a
lunch
or
something
just
to
kind
of
review
the
year
and
just
chat,
you
know
without
any
any
decisions
or
anything,
but
we
probably
can't
do
that
this
year.
If
it
was
the
summer,
we
could
have
a
socially
distanced
outdoor
thing,
but
probably
not
going
to
work
too
well
in
the
winter.
B
So
if
anybody
has
any
ideas,
just
let
me
know
and
talk
about
it
so,
but
let's
do
stay
in
contact,
at
least
in
the
sense
that
we
we
all
have
things
we
want
to
be
thinking
about.
You
know
that
are
important
for
us
to
be
working
on
next
year.
H
B
Well,
I
thank
you.
I
try
to
listen,
but
sometimes
I
don't.
If
I
don't
understand,
I
usually
ask
questions
anyway,
we
did
we,
I
we
did
get
a
good
bit
done
in
the
last
few
years.
It
was
a
real
struggle.
At
the
beginning,
when
I
first
became
chair,
I
thought
man
we
were
not
knocking
our
heads
against
the
wall.
B
I
think
we
finally
got
some
people
to
listen
and
made
some
headway.
So
all
righty.
B
I
appreciate
the
opportunity,
oh
next
next
month,
tune
in
to
the
sierra
club
meeting
on
the
second
third,
I
mean
the
first
thursday
first
thursday
in
december.
Isn't
it.
B
Yeah,
which
is
the
first
thursday,
it's
always
the
first
thursday
in
the
month,
yeah
yeah
december
3rd-
we're
the
whole
group
is
being
recognized
by
the
sierra
club,
the
city
tree
protection
task
force.
The
urban
forestry
commission
are,
you
know
in
greenworks
and
greenworks
yeah,
that's
meant
to
say
that
part
of
the
you
know
tree
protection.
The
excuse
me
the
tree.
Canopy
preservation
ordinance
as
well
as
some
talk
about
the
recognition
for
the
resolution
as
well.
B
E
B
B
We
can
do
that,
maybe
don
or
I
can
do
that.
Okay
don's
doing
a
little
presentation
to
to
kind
of
a
little
quick
overview
of
what
what
went
on
for
as
far
as
getting
things
from
city
council.
B
Q
G
B
To
roost
all
right,
okay,
well
we're
getting
ready
to
adjourn,
but
we
just
we
were
just
telling
folks
that
tune
in
the
first,
the
third
of
december,
first
thursday
and
december,
the
third
sierra
club
meeting
the
there's
gonna,
be
some
recognition
of
the
for
the
tree.
Canopy
ordinance.
B
E
So,
do
you
want
to
leave
luke
cecil
in
on
the
discussion
about
terms
and
the
election
that
we
just
had?
So
he
knows.
B
G
Okay,
yeah,
I'm
sorry,
I've
been
occasionally
a
slacker,
but
I
still
want
to
stick
in
here.
We
do
I
mean
we.
This
is.
This
has
been
imperative
to
me
for
10
years,
11
years
now
that
I've
been
first,
the
you
know,
the
the
council
appointee
and
finally,
actually
a
voting
member
and
damn
it
we've
got
to
save
the
damn
trees.
G
B
B
R
B
G
B
All
right
all
right
do
we
have
a
motion
to
adjourn
so
move.