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A
A
That's
good
all
right.
The
commissioners
are
donna
bailey.
The
commissioner
chair,
I'm
sorry,
john
ellis
is
with
us,
I'm
sorry,
I'm
looking
back
and
forth.
Chrissa
is
chrissa
with
us.
E
Not
yet
she
said,
she'd
be
a
little
bit
late.
A
Okay,
I'm
here:
okay,
wakanda
pacifica,.
A
Not
today
and
john
pierce,
I
know,
is
out
today
all
right
will:
why
don't
we
turn
to
antonette
for
our
city
council
review.
F
Good
afternoon,
everyone
so
good
to
see
you
a
short
update
to
say
very
happy
to
state
that
council
has
gone
back
to
in-person
meetings
and
those
meetings
are
taking
place
at
hera's
in
the
banquet
hall.
Prior
just
prior
to
our
last
meeting,
we
had
a
budget
work
session
and
we
discussed
a
future
future
capital
project
need
that
included,
120
million
dollars
for
renewal
and
improvement
of
the
performance
space
at
thomas
wolfe
auditorium.
F
We
also
discussed
the
30
million
dollar
need
for
mccormick
field,
although
the
scope
and
the
funding
plan
seems
to
be
uncertain
at
this
time,
and
we
also
discussed
two
million
dollars
that
was
needed
for
storm
water
and
other
maintenance
needs
for
the
municipal
municipal
golf
course
we'll
meet
later
this
month
for
our
annual
retreat
two
days
also
at
harrah's,
and
I'm
sure
these
discussions
will
come
back
because
at
that
time,
council
will
determine
its
funding
priority
priorities
and
funding
areas
and
then
we'll
have
at
least
two
more
work
sessions
dedicated
to
the
budget.
F
Plan
that
is
coming
forth,
but
at
this
time
there
will
be
a
public
input.
So
I'd
like
to
give
you
the
dates
of
those.
I
don't
know
if
we're
familiar
with
that.
The
the
restructure
that
has
been
suggested
would
include
narrowing
narrowing
the
current
boards
commissions
from
around
20
to
four
to
align
more
directly
with
the
city's
priorities,
and
then
work
groups
or
working
groups
would
be
allowable
under
each
of
the
prongs.
F
So
let
me
give
you
the
dates.
I
don't
know
if
anyone
from
the
civic
center
commission
has
already
attended
one
of
the
info
sessions.
But
let
me
give
you
those.
What
you'll
need
to
do
is
go
to
the
city's
public
input
page
and
then
you'll
see
the
dates
that
you
sign
up
for
because
the
meetings
are
still
going
to
be
held
virtually
so.
The
first
one
will
be
tomorrow,
thursday
march
3rd,
from
5
to
7..
F
The
next
is
monday
march,
7th
from
12
30
in
the
afternoon
to
2
30
in
the
afternoon
or
there's
one
on
wednesday
march
9th
from
five
in
the
evening
to
seven
in
the
evening,
and
the
final
opportunity
is
friday
march
11th
from
9
to
11
a.m.
B
F
Was
very
cursory,
we
were
just
told
you
know
what
like
live
before
us
and
we
were
told
that
in
further
in
meetings
down
the
road,
we
would
go
into
greater
detail.
I
think
staff
just
wanted
us
to
know
what
was
out
there.
We
didn't
discuss
what
if
any,
funding
partners
were
available,
but
I
think
the
ask
was
just
so
we
know
so
when
we
go
into
our
retreat
what's
out
there
and
which
direction
we
wanted
to.
F
F
So,
generally
speaking,
I
don't
have
a
personal
position
on
anything
until
I
see
the
final
thing
that
I'm
going
to
vote
on,
because
what
I've
learned
in
my
what
year
and
a
half
is
the
way
something
presents
initially
often
is
not
how
it
ends
up
being
you
know.
Finally,
but
what
I
will
say
is
I
believe
there
is
definitely
a
need
for
a
restructure,
and
I
say
that
because
I
also
serve
on
the
boards
and
commissions,
and
I
believe
that
over
the
past
year
there
have
been
almost
100
seats
that
we've
had
to
work
through.
F
I
don't
know
if
it's
because
you
know
coveted
and
people
can't
make
meetings
for
various
reasons,
but
a
number
of
the
boards
were
having
difficulty
even
making
quorum
and
then,
at
other
times
the
staffing
capacity
was
limited.
F
I
will
say
that
I
think
all
of
the
boards
and
commissions
are
actually
necessary
because
of
the
work
that
they
do.
My
hope
would
be
that
those
voices
could
still
be
heard,
but
in
a
more
streamlined
fashion.
So
that
is
my
goal
and
if
something
comes
before
me,
that
does
just
that.
Then
I'd
be
happy
to
vote
for
it.
If
it
doesn't,
then
I
won't
so
that's
why
it's
important
to
get
community
input.
D
Yvonne,
did
you
have
a
question?
Yes,
yes,
I
have
a
question
and
thank
you.
This
commission,
the
civic
center
commission
works
under
a
guideline.
That's
been
legally
constituted
by
the
city.
Have
you
gone
back
to
that
guideline
that
we
work
under
in
our
authority
as
a
commission,
and
are
you
just
going
to
tear
that
up
and
start
from
scratch
again.
F
So
I
assure
you,
nothing
will
be
torn
up.
You
know
there
are
some
quasi
judicial
bodies
that
must
be
in
effect,
and
my
understanding
is
that
those
won't
be
affected
again.
I
I
don't
know
what
the
final
plan
looks
like,
because
there
is
no
final
plan.
Do
you
know
offhand
chris?
If
this
is
one
of
those
boards?
That
is
weird?
It's
a
city
charter.
E
No,
but
we're
one
of
the
few
there
there's
a
few
that
are
the
quasi
judicials
like
ped,
I
think,
is
one
okay.
G
E
And
then
there's
a
few
more
that
were
created
specifically
by
a
city
ordinance
which
we
are
one
of,
and
then
there
are
a
few
more
that
were
just
like
created
via
policy.
So
when
the
civic
center
was
built
in
1974
a
few
years
before
that,
I
think,
like
68.
The
council
then
created
the
civic
center
commission
to
help
like
guide
through
that
process,
and
then
it
continued
so
there's
a
specific
ordinance
about
it.
But
I
I
imagine
that
because
there's
many
others
like
us.
G
A
E
Clerk's
office
to
help
make
sure
that
either
we
rewrite
ordinances
or,
however,
it
needs
to
be
used
for
this,
but
devon.
No,
no
one's
given
any
direction
as
to
like
where
this
board
would
land
what
would
happen
to
it
stays
the
same
goes
away
completely.
It
gets
merged
into
others.
This
is
kind
of
opening.
F
E
Yeah,
so
what
happened?
There
was
the
100
million
dollar
project
that
we
put
forth
in
january
of
2020.
E
There's
been
no
updates
to
that,
so
capital
projects
just
added
inflation
on
top
of
that,
because
everything's
up
20
from
that
point
in
time.
So
therefore
it
became
a
120
million
dollar
project
that
was
listed
on
the
sheet.
B
And
chris,
on
the
on
the
restructuring,
I'm
assuming
that
city
staff
has
been
able
to
give
their
input
as
well.
G
E
Were
kind
of
advised
and
hey,
do
you
have
any
major
concerns
and
I
kind
of
had
the
same
answer
the
council
member
mosley
had
you
know
like
there
wasn't
any
like
this
is
what
we
want
to
do
yet.
So
I
didn't
really
have
any
like
positives
or
negatives,
because
they
don't
really
know
like
how
they
want
to
do
it
yet.
But
I
imagine
that
we're
gonna
get
some
input
time
for
it.
E
A
I'm
gonna
have
a
question
a
little
later
on,
though,
and
the
same
thing
with
mccormick
field
and
the
muni
are
those
just
estimates
that
have
been
sent
to
you
or
are
there
documentation?
Is
there
documentation
on
that.
F
So
again,
we
didn't
receive
the
actual
documentation
in
the
initial
work
session.
I
I'm
confident
that
in
subsequent
work
sessions,
we'll
we'll
see
exactly
what
the
asks
or
requirements
are,
but
again
that
was
the
very
very
first
work
session.
E
E
A
Yeah,
okay,
thank
you
very
much.
That
was,
you
always
are
very
clear,
and
I
appreciate
that
damp
are
you
on
for
your
report.
H
I
am
oh
good.
I
see
I
missed
a
call
from
you,
donna,
so
you're
not
you're,
not
going
to
catch
up
later
and
corey.
I
need
your
new
contact
information,
so
we
are
in
the
middle
of
trying
to
get
things
set
up.
So
I
apologize
for
being
late.
H
We're
trying
to
figure
out
where
to
put
elmer
elmer
is
the
ingalls
original
grocery
delivery
truck,
so
elmer
showed
up
after
the
platforms
were
built,
so
we
were
trying
to
get
that
in
place
tomorrow,
tips
off
for
the
southern
conference
tournament.
I.
H
Don't
know
if
all
my
background
noise
is
coming
in
or
not,
but
you
know
it's
kind
of
chaotic.
We
will
have
education
days
on
thursday
and
friday,
so
we'll
have
over
800
city
of
asheville,
asheville,
c
schools.
Kids.
On
thursday,
we
have
over
1200
falcon
county
schools.
Kids
on
friday,
for
the
both
of
those
are
11
o'clock
games.
H
We
will
transition
into
downtown
dribble
on
saturday
morning.
We
do
have
additional
spaces
that
we
were
able
to
open
up.
Our
basketballs
were
on
a
cargo
ship
in
the
pacific
and
they
showed
up,
I
think
yesterday,
so
we
have
more
basketball.
So
we
opened
up
registration,
so
we
have
registration,
probably
for
a
150
other
kids.
H
So
if
there
are
kids
that
you
know
of,
please
have
them
go
to
stoconhoops.com
click
on
the
downtown
dribble
link
and
sign
up
we'll
start
at
9
30
with
sign
in
each
child
will
receive
a
ball
a
t-shirt
and
a
ticket
to
the
game
at
eleven
o'clock.
We
start
this
really
cool
thing
of
walking
down
the
street,
and
so
we
leave
we
leave
park
and
walk
all
the
way
to
the
civic
center.
So
we
go
down
patton
and
haywood.
H
I
apologize
there's
just
so
much
stuff
going
on
behind
me
so
and
then
monday
nights
our
hometown
heroes
where
we
recognize
police
fire
ems.
We
started
it
with
right
after
the
lake
lure
fires
and
we've
continued
to
do
it
every
year
and
it's
been
very
successful.
So
we'll
continue
to
do
it
work,
and
so
you
know
those
and
then
we're
you
know
are
moving
along
with
preparations
for
the
billie
jean
king
cup,
which
will
be
here
in
about
six
weeks.
H
So
things
get
kind
of
crazy
and
also
trying
to
figure
out
what
we
put
on
chris's
calendar
and
we
had
a
very
successful
weekend
last
two
weekends
of
our
team.
Our
wrestling
teams
who
participated
in
the
grapple
at
the
state
tournaments
in
north
carolina,
south
carolina
and
tennessee.
So
we
had,
I
think
at
least
one
state
champion
and
a
couple
of
runners
up
and
they've
already
started
recruiting
teams
for
this
coming
december.
H
So
that's
been
kind
of
trying
to
get
catch
all
of
those,
but
I
think
we've
got
about
three
or
four
new
teams.
So
we
are,
you
know
our
goal
will
be
to
be
about
40
or
42
teams,
that's
kind
of
everything
that
pertains
to
the
harris
cherokee
center
asheville.
H
I
would
like
to
thank
all
of
you
who
did
come
yesterday
for
the
tip-off
luncheon
and
awards.
I
thought
it
went
really
well
and
antoinette.
Thank
you
for
being
there
and
representing
the
city,
and
I
know
yvonne
was
there
and
several
others
of
you.
So
we
really,
I
just
appreciate
you
being
there
and
being
supportive.
H
It
sends
a
good
message
to
the
southern
conference.
So
does
anyone
have
any
questions.
A
No
questions,
thank
you
jim.
Thank
you.
Good
luck
and
I
am
so
sorry
I
missed
it,
but
I
was
in
surgery
so.
A
Believe
me,
I'm
so
tired
of
it.
I
can't
stand
it,
but
I
know
I
understand
it
was
a
great
luncheon,
so
that
went
really
well.
That's
great.
H
A
So
glad
we
will
now
go
to
marshall
hilliard
there
you
are
marshall
up
in
the
corner.
How
are
you
doing
good.
I
Afternoon
all-
and
I
I
agree-
it
was
nice
to
see
some
folks
yesterday
for
the
first
time
since
I've
I've
joined,
explore,
asheville
so
and
and
a
great
event
that
you
put
together
looking
at
our
our
volume
of
of
business.
In
the
month
of
february,
we
fielded
a
total
of
70
new
leads,
just
shy
of
14
000
rim
nights
compared
to
the
benchmark
year
of
2019.
I
We
also
attended
sports
express,
which
I
believe
attempted
as
well,
and
then
in
february
we
launched
our
double
incentive
opportunity,
so
groups
whose
meetings
take
place
midweek
and
january
through
march
all
days
of
the
week,
are
eligible
for
twice
the
amounts
of
incentive
when
they
sign
by
april,
just
to
try
to
spark
some
new
opportunities,
and
we
have
some
great
new
ones
as
a
result
of
of
this
initiative
and
and
the
marketing
behind
it,
depending.
I
Amount
of
business
that
that
comes
through
it
can
be
a
nice
incentive
for
the
for
the
clients
and
then,
lastly,
coming
up
third
week
of
of
this
month,
we're
hosting
our
48-hour
meeting
planner
familiarization
tour,
and
we
have
12
customers
who
represent
meetings
that
are
appropriate
size
and
season
for
asheville.
D
Oh
good
question:
yes,
marshall:
what
is
our
occupancy
rate
for
the
quarter
or
for
the
first
couple
months,
january
and
february,
compared
to
2018,
because
everything
you
know
stopped
at
20
two
years
ago?
But
how
are
we
compared
to
that
time
and
we
have
brought
on
how
many
new
bed
or
how
many
more
room
nights,
do
we
have
available
versus
that
time?
You
have
those
data.
I
I
don't
have
that
that
data
at
my
fingertips,
siobhan
in
terms
of
versus
2018.
I
can
follow
up,
though,
with
with
a
note
to
all
on
on
that
specific
data.
D
Well,
my
my
reason
for
asking
is
that
I've
seen
foot
traffic
back
in
downtown
nashville
and
coming
up
on
this
weekend.
D
We
know
that
socon
will
bring
many
more
people
to
downtown
asheville
and
we
want
to
be
able
to
say
that,
because
of
socon,
we
can
document
as
a
commission
back
to
the
city
council,
that
the
use
of
our
facilities
have
generated
not
only
beds
in
the
head
or
heads
in
the
bed,
but
also
interest
in
doing
our
number
one
job
of
being
good
host
to
our
guests.
And
we
want
to
see
that
we
are
succeeding
in
that
mission.
I
D
I
I
Will
be
helpful
specific
to
socon
and
demp,
and
I
do
this
with
the
major
events.
Is
the
economic
impact
calculator
so
once
we
get
through
the
the
weekend
and
through
early
next
week
we
can
look
back
at
the
the
full
economic
impact
and
share
that
with
the
group
versus
versus
prior
socons.
I
think
that
would
be
impactful.
D
I
I
think
that
would
help
our
mission
of
trying
to
make
sure
that
we
show
relevance
to
our
activities
as
a
commission
to
be
able
to
point
to
these
different
things
and
say:
hey
because
as
a
group
as
a
group
of
commissioners
taking
an
interest
in
our
investment
when
we
can
document
our
return
on
that
investment
to
our
stakeholders,
which
is
our
taxpayers
here.
Let's
let's
talk
about
that
and
let's
make
it
public
to
where
people
really
understand
the
value
added.
H
I
was
just
going
to
say,
you
know,
prior
to
covid
and
and
we
we've
kind
of
changed
the
way
that
we,
you
know,
we
don't.
We
don't
specifically
look
at
what's
called
economic
impact,
we
just
talk,
we
say
it's
the
event,
impact
calculator
and,
depending
on
the
way
you
look
at
it.
The
direct
impact
on
the
event.
H
If
you
look
at
how
this
event
then
trickles
down
into
you,
know
paying
you
know
someone
on
chris's
staff
and
then
they
go
to
ingles
and
they
buy
groceries
and
that
pays
for
a
staff
member
at
ingles
to
then
have
their
salary
and
then
go
buy
gas
to
trickle
down.
The
total
impact
is
over
6
million.
H
For
this
event,
we
just
have,
you
know,
got
away
from
giving
out
as
much
specific
numbers
and
look
at
what
does
the
event
really
mean
to
our
community
and,
as
I
told
someone
on
the
radio
this
morning,
you
know
the
what
this
means
is
the
start
of
the
spring
in
asheville.
It's
also
a
huge
and
yvonne
you.
H
You
know
this
specifically
because
2016
you
helped
us
keep
the
2017
tournament
in
asheville
during
hb2,
because
we
realized
that
you
know
it
really
affects
the
bottom
line
of
our
hospitality
industry
and
the
amount
of
tips
that
people
receive
this
weekend
and
hotel
rooms.
And
you
know
it's
and-
and
this
event
is
not
as
much
about
hotel
rooms-
have
a
certain
number
and
then
we
we
have
a
hard
time
quantifying
all
of
the
fans.
H
H
We
do
come
up
with
the
numbers
and
the
numbers
are
consistently
about
4.2
million
in
direct
impact
to
our
community
and
county
as
a
whole,
but
also
taking
it
up
to
about
six
over
six
million
as
it
starts
to
trickle
down
and
come
into
there.
So
I
hope
that
kind
of
maybe
gives
a
little
bit
more
perspective.
H
But
I
think
when
you
walk
down
the
streets
saturday,
you'll
you'll
totally
understand
the
impact
and
it
and
and
the
other
thing
that
we
we
really
look
at
is,
and
we
we
said
this
yesterday.
This
is
not
just
a
basketball
tournament.
This
is
not
just
an
event
that
is
brought
into
the
arena.
We
sell
tickets
people
come
in
and
they
leave.
This
is
a
community
event.
H
We
do
the
downtown
dribbble,
we
do
work
with
buncombe,
county
and
asheville
city
schools
and
our
private
schools
to
bring
children
in
to
see
basketball,
and
dr
baldwin
will
tell
you.
This
may
be
the
only
time
that
some
of
these
students
get
to
see
a
basketball
game
and
doing
the
hometown
heroes.
This
is
not
just
a
basketball
tournament
and
ticket
sales.
It's
about
enhancing
the
quality
of
life
for
our
entire
community.
D
Well,
thank
you
dem
for
sharing
that.
I
think
that
a
lot
of
things
that
we
are
being
done
as
a
commission
is
being
kind
of
assumed
they
don't
see
the
work
that
john
has
put
in
and
chris
has
put
in
and
things
about
this
and
how
how
this
package
all
kind
of
comes
together
to
keep
our
guests
involved
in
in
wanting
to
come
back.
D
D
D
We
have
assets
involved
in
this
weekend
that
I
think
each
commissioner
should
be
involved
in
and
see
just
exactly
how
this
facility
plays
an
important
part
in
the
life
and
the
return
on
investment
to
the
community
that
the
civic
center
place
and
when
we
don't
talk
about
it,
we
kind
of
it's
not
out
there
to
say
this
has
value
added
not
only
to
our
community
but
to
the
greater
western
north
carolina,
tennessee
and
south
carolina
community
to
bring
them
and
make
them
aware
of
asheville,
and
that's
what
this
commission
focuses.
A
A
J
Hi
everyone,
daniel
krupi
executive
director
of
the
asheville
symphony
I'll,
keep
my
report
brief.
Unless
there
are
questions
ticket
sales
for
our
last
performance
at
thomas
wolfe
auditorium
in
february,
were
very
strong,
very
refreshing,
to
see
a
very
diverse
and
youthful
crowd.
J
The
program
was
particularly
unique:
it
was
a
black
history
month
inspired
program,
a
number
of
works
by
composers
of
color,
and
we
had
performed
some
great
outreach
enforcement,
great
relationships
with
community
organizers
embedded
in
nashville
to
really
get
the
community
out
in
support
of
this
particular
program.
I
am
pleased
to
report
that
it
was
really
successful
and
our
first
glimpse
at
sort
of
a
return
to
normalcy,
so
our
ticket
sales
in
total
for
this
concert,
exceeded
our
average
sales
for
our
last
full
season
pre-coven.
J
J
For
that
event
were
far
above
average
for
our
past
season
pre-covered.
So
I
think
that's
a
really
positive
indicator
for
recovery,
even
after
the
turmoil
of
omicron
over
the
new
year's
holiday
and
in
january,
and
I'm
happy
to
delve
more
into
those
numbers.
If
you're
interested
in
hearing
more
our
covent
policies
are
going
to
remain
consistent
for
the
foreseeable
future.
With
past
practice,
so
we've
been
offering
we've
been
requiring
vaccination
or
testing
as
well
as
masks.
J
We've
had
that
meeting
with
the
harris
cherokee
center
we're
going
to
keep
those
policies
in
place,
in
spite
of
the
county,
dropping
the
mass
mandate,
at
least
through
our
next
concert
in
march,
we'll
see
what
april
brings
we're
hopeful
that
we'll
still
have
the
opportunity
to
have
people
tested
for
free
on-site
at
harrah's.
It's
been
incredibly
convenient,
but
we
also
understand
that's
a
federal
program
and
we'll
we'll
kind
of
see
how
things
evolve
there,
but
we're
hopeful
that
that
will
stay
in
place.
J
Just
continuing
putting
together
our
plans
for
next
season,
which
we're
we're
hoping
to
make
announcements
about
within
the
next
two
months,
including
the
national
amadeus
festival
and
lots
of
other
events,
as
well
as
the
expansion
of
our
masterwork
series.
Background
seven
concert
series
any.
A
J
Not
to
my
knowledge,
but
it's
a
I
mean,
nancy
cable
serves
on
our
board
of
directors,
so
I
I
will
gladly
inquire
with
her.
A
E
Thanks
so
at
the
request
of
a
few
of
you
after
we
had
the
operator
pope
golf
from
muni
golf
course
on
last
month,
we
had
a
few
that
were
interested
in
what
was
going
on
and
the
issues
that
he
brought
up.
So
I
put
a
link
in
the
agenda,
I'm
sure
not
all
of
you
had
a
chance
to
go
through
it.
So
I'll,
just
kind
of
briefly
go
through
this
stormwater
assessment
to
give
you
an
idea
of
what's
going
on
at
muni
and
what
the
issues
are
surrounding.
E
Let's
see
here
so
just
to
make
sure
everyone's
seeing
my
screen.
Yes,
yep.
Okay,
all
right!
So
after
a
flood
event
in
2019,
it
was
kind
of
like
the
straw
that
broke
the
camel's
back
related
to
the
stormwater
issues
at
muni
parks
and
rec,
who
was
managing
the
contract
at
the
time
contracted
with
mcadams,
which
is
a
local
stormwater
engineering
firm
to
just
assess
the
situation
at
muni.
What's
wrong
with
it?
What
are
some
major
issues?
E
G
E
Through
the
entire
18-hole
golf
course,
the
front
nine
down
here
in
the
flat
low-lying
lands
near
the
swanoa
river.
The
back
nine
is
kind
of
a
hilly
through
the
neighborhood
jaunt,
two
really
completely
different
golf
courses
from
my
understanding
as
not
a
golfer,
so
the
report
covered
existing
conditions
throughout
the
course.
Their
goal
was
to
give
us
an
idea
of
budget
to
replace
all
with
reinforced,
concrete,
pipe
and
design
fees
that
would
be
associated
with
that
and
contingencies.
E
So
this
was
done
in
2020
right
at
the
beginning
of
and
then
delayed
by
and
so
right
around.
The
start
of
covet
is
when
they
got
into
this,
and
so
it
started
before.
Kovid
was
finished
like
in
what
was
still
the
beginning
of
covet
summer
of
2020.
So
it's
really
reflective
of
20
20.
So
these
numbers,
you
know,
could
be
fluctuated
a
little
bit
and
again,
I'm
not
going
to
go
straight
into
or
into
the
very
nitty
gritty.
E
But
essentially
it's
got
some
good
photos
of
storm
water
within
the
fairways
issues
related
to
how
the
water
is
caught.
So
it's
got
a
methodology
of
a
five-point
scale,
zero
and
one
or
pipes
that
are
really
generally
fine.
Two,
it's
starting
to
get
worse.
Three,
it's
pretty
bad
four
highest
grade
severity.
If
it's
a
five,
we
should
have
replaced
it
years
ago.
E
It's
kind
of
how
they've
scaled
these
things,
so
they
went
through
all
18
holes
and
came
to
a
priority
five
for
44
percent
of
the
holes
priority
four
for
ten
percent
priority
three,
so
you
know
where
a
little
over
60
of
the
course
is
in
a
bad
place
related
to
stormwater,
and
what
a
bad
place
is.
Let
me
find
some
good
photos.
E
They
gave
us
an
idea
of
downhill
stream.
These
diagrams
mean
nothing
to
you
unless
you
read
specifically
word
for
word
here,
but
they
ran
cameras
through
the
pipes
and
found
many
collapse.
Pipes
like
this
one
here,
sinkholes
created
and
around
the
collapse
pipes,
numerous
places
where
the
cameras
couldn't
go
any
further
due
to
debris,
obstructions
or
other
issues.
So
these
are
photos
of
cracks
forming
in
some
of
the
twos
and
threes
pipes
for
the
rating-
and
this
is
the
collapse
pipe
here
on
the
left.
E
So
similar
every
single
hole
they
went
through,
it
gives
you
an
idea
where
the
issues
are
where
they
weren't
able
to
get
through
a
pipe
because
of
an
obstruction
and
some
suggestions
for
how
to
replace
you
know,
example
on
the
left
of
a
good
pipe,
that's
still
operating
as
it
should.
You
can
see
the
light
at
the
end
of
the
tunnel
there,
a
different
spot
in
the
same
pipe
just
farther
upstream,
where
there's
literally
a
giant
rock
that
has
now
worked
its
way
into
the
pipe.
E
So
I
could
go
through
every
hole,
but
I
won't
for
the
sake
of
time
what
they
did
for
us
is.
They
came
up
with
this
project
estimate
and
priority
plan.
So
essentially
they
said
you
know
this
could
cost
2.3
million
dollars.
Roughly
we
understand
the
city
doesn't
have
2.3
million
dollars
just
on
a
whim.
E
E
It
doesn't
affect
any
golf
cart
paths
which
have
some
major
damage
due
to
the
stormwater
infrastructure,
where
sinkholes
are
actually
like,
sucking
in
parts
of
the
golf
cart
paths,
and
once
you
repair
the
golf
or
the
sinkholes
and
you
take
out
pipe,
you
have
to
dig
a
giant
trench
right,
so
you'll
have
to
reseed
that
returf
it
depending
on
what
that
situation
is
in
our
current
structure,
we're
hoping
to
look
for
the
operator
to
cover
the
re-sodium
and
dealing
with
the
grass,
because
that's
what
they
do,
where
we're
going
to
need
to
find
some
type
of
public
public
public-private
partnership,
whatever
it
be
to
fund
this
project.
A
Chris,
I
understand
that
yesterday
mr
baker
was
given
an
award
and
there
was
a
discussion
on
the
muni
and
his
historic
value
could
annette
anthonette
you
were
there.
Were
you
not.
F
Yesterday
I
was-
and
I
must
say
I
absolutely
adore-
love
cherish
mr
picot.
I
only
know
what
I
grew
up
knowing
about
the
the
tournament.
F
I
I
don't
know
that
I
know
the
name
of
the
tournament,
but
I
know
that
it
is
one
that's
been
going
on
for
as
long
as
I
can
remember,
it
brings
together
african-american
golfers,
and
I
know
that
mr
baycoat
plays
an
integral
role
in
that
yesterday
he
received
an
award
for
his
long
time
service
and,
if
demp,
if
you
want
to
add
anything
to
that
and
fill
in
the
blanks
that
I
missed
or
you
chris
actually
chris
yeah,
I
see
difference,
he's
got
people.
E
Trying
to
come
in
on
them
yeah
now
he's
got
a
lot
of
info
on
the
attorney
because
he's
helped,
but
it's
been
around
since
1960,
it
was
the
first
black
tournament
in
the
southeast.
My
understanding
skyview
golf
tournament.
You
know
beauty
was
the
first
integrated
course
in
the
southwest.
It
definitely
has
a
lot
of
history
with
it
and.
E
As
donna
and
I
learned
recently,
it
is
on
the
national
registry
of
historic
places.
B
H
I
shared
the
the
link
to
the
website
that
the
sports
commission
does
for
skyview
golf,
so
we
we
do
their
skype
their
tournament
and
there's
all
kinds
of
history
in
there
there's
also
a
link
in
there
to
the
documentary
muni,
and
this
is
kind
of
the
unabbreviated
version.
So
this
is
not
the
one
where
some
of
the
information
was
cut
out.
So
I
would
encourage
anybody
who
has
not
seen
that
documentary
to
to
I'm
not
sure
if
he
eats.
H
I
know
he
drinks
coffee,
because
I've
met
him
at
the
grind,
but
he
is
just
he
is
a
treasure
for
asheville.
You
know
he
was
the
first
black
employee
at
the
chamber
of
commerce
way,
so
he
and
he
has
been
involved
in
our
community.
So
much
so.
If
you
haven't
met
him,
you
need
to
sit
down
and
plan
to
spend
about
two
hours,
because
an
hour
is
not
enough
and
I
just
enjoy
being
around
his
presence.
We
are.
H
The
sports
commission
has
been
blessed
with
working
with
him
over
the
last
five
years,
because
he's
just
an
incredible
human
being
so,
but
all
of
the
information
on
the
tournament
chris
had
a
lot
of
that
correct.
It's
all
right
there
in
that
one
website.
We
we've
worked
to
kind
of
create
archives
for
them,
because
there
was
not
an
archive
there.
Previously.
A
So
we
are
servicing
the
community
to
ivan's
point.
You
know
locally,
both
the
city
and
the
county.
In
addition,
they
have
a
huge
group
of
young
people
that
they're
teaching
golf
to
and
working
with
them.
So
it's
such
an
asset
to
our
community.
That
has
really
been
just
let
go,
and
on
top
of
it
here
we
have
a
historic
site
that
we've
just
ignored
or
it's
been
ignored
and
I'm.
I
guess.
A
I
think
that
this
commission
might
want
to
take
this
opportunity
and
anthonette
tell
me
if,
if
you
agree
to
take
and
this
report,
that
chris
has
and
forward
it
through
an
internet
to
the
city
council,
to
show
them
that
we
really
care
about
getting
this
course
fixed,
and
I
would
hope
that
the
other
thing
is.
It's
also
dangerous,
some
of
those
sinkholes.
If
somebody
got
hurt
in
one
of
them,
it
would
be.
A
You
know
an
unfortunate
situation
to
say
the
least,
but
that's
kind
of
my
thinking
and
mister
vancouver
is
just
wonderful.
A
I
had
the
opportunity
to
sit
with
he
and
johnny
davis
for
a
morning
and
just
learn
about
all
that
they
have
done
and
they
commit
to
our
community
and
how
now
they
have
to
bounce
around
to
other
golf
courses
in
order
to
even
have
their
tournament,
which
seems
again
that
we
have
a
responsibility
to
make
sure
city
council
understands
the
value
of
this
property
to
the
city
and
to
the
people
of
the
city
more
than
you
know,
heads
on
beds
in
that
category,
although
we
could
have
some
great
tournaments,
there
is
an
organization,
that's
that
has
now
been
developed
under
the
pga
for
specifically
for
promoting
african-american
professionals
to
help
them
get
to
the
pga.
A
And
lastly,
next
month
mike
wan,
who
is
the
ceo
now
of
the
united
states?
Golf
association
is
coming
to
ashley
he's
going
to
speak
at
the
university
for
the
our
turn
to
play
dinner,
which
I
hope
that
people
will
go
to
and
mike
has
and
who's.
A
friend
is
his
mission.
He
put
up
a
new
foundation
and
the
majority
of
that
foundation
is
to
promote
not
only
african-americans
playing
golf
but
veterans
playing
golf
and
handicapped
playing
golf.
He
sees
that
this.
F
I
agree
with
everything
you
just
said
and
chris,
if
you
want
to
forward
that
document
to
me,
and
I
send
it
along
to
my
colleagues,
I
will
be
more
than
happy
in
fact,
it'll
be
a
pleasure
for
me
to
bring
it
up
in
our
budget
discussions
because
for
a
moment
there
I
was
actually
thinking
about
arpa
funding.
F
But
we've
already
had
applications
come
through,
but
there
is
a
provision
there
for
infrastructure
and
I
was
just
trying
to
see
because
we're
considering
setting
a
certain
amount
aside,
I'm
just
trying
to
think
of
funding
sources.
But
please
get
that
documentation
to
me
and
I'm
happy
to
discuss
it
with
my
colleagues.
A
Any
other
discussion
on
the
muni
or
yes,
okay,
where
are
we
so
sorry,
chris
mccormick
field,
stadium.
C
Thank
you
everyone.
I
appreciate
you
having
me
here
today,
just
kind
of
give
you
a
little
bit
of
background
about
our
business
structure
and
then
I'll
hit
the
recording
field,
which
I
know
everyone
has
questions
about.
So
we
are
the
asheville
tourist,
we're
a
marley
baseball
team,
and
what
that
really
means
is
we
hold
the
rights
to
what's
called
a
professional
development
license,
and
this
license
allows
us
to
be
affiliated
with
the
major
league
team.
C
The
key
in
all
this
is
that
we
hold
one
of
120
licenses.
So
asheville
is
one
is
one
of
120
cities
that
have
affiliated
baseball.
Our
license
is
currently
with
the
houston
astros.
C
It
is
not
necessarily
always
going
to
be
with
the
astros,
but
we
are
with
the
astros
the
next
nine
years
we
were
at
the
colorado
rockies
for
20
some
years
pre
previous
to
this,
all
of
our
players
and
coaches
are
actually
employees
of
the
astros,
so
we
have
no
say
on
who
plays
whose
coaches
all
that
they
manage
the
baseball
and
we
really
manage
everything
else
for
them.
We
manage
the
day-to-day
operation
recording
field
along
with
the
food
and
beverage.
C
When
you
come
to
a
game,
sponsorships,
marketing,
ticketing,
merchandising,
the
daily
maintenance
of
the
ballpark,
which
is
huge,
considering
it's
the
mains
of
the
field
too,
so
that's
kind
of
our
relationship
with
the
astros.
As
obviously
this
group
knows,
the
ballpark
is
owned
by
the
city
and
least
to
us
very,
very
common
relationship.
I
would
say
probably
90
of
those
120
ballparks
that
I
mentioned
are
either
owned
by
a
city,
a
county
or
a
mix
between
the
two
of
them.
C
We
just
actually
had
a
study
done.
Our
economic
impact
is
10
million
dollars
per
year,
and
you
know
we
on
a
normal
year
now
I
haven't
had
normal
year
since
2019.
Hopefully
22
will
be
a
normal
year,
but
a
normal
year
we
draw
on
nearly
200
000
200
000
people
to
to
the
south
slope
for
the
games.
C
Everyone
wants
to
know
where
our
fans
come
from.
I
I
I
say
it's
25
roll
25
live
within
the
limits
of
asheville
25
live
in
buncombe
county
outside
asheville,
25
live
in
the
surrounding
counties
around
buncombe
county
and
the
final
quarter
is
really
the
rest
of
the
world.
People
come
from
all
over
whether
they're
coming
here
for
a
game,
or
they
were
here
anyway
and
they
came
to
a
game
as
far
as
the
history
of
mccormick
field,
it
was
built
in
1924,
ty
cobb
played
on
that
day
april
3rd
1924.
C
It's
had
multiple
renovations,
since
the
really
the
last
one
was
1993
complete
knockdown.
The
only
thing
left
pre-1993
is
the
visitors,
clubhouse
and
home
bait
and
home
plates.
That
renovation
was
done
for
three
million
dollars
to
to
kind
of
where
that
stands.
Two
years
ago,
kannapolis
built
a
brand
new,
beautiful,
ballpark,
downtown
kannapolis
and
the
price
tag
was
60
million,
so
obviously
the
cost
of
ballpark.
That's
not
just
inflation
there,
between
3
million
and
60
million,
so
a
huge
difference
there.
C
You
know,
I
always
tell
people,
we
love
the
corn
fields,
quaint,
it's
awesome,
but
it
does
lack
the
modern
day,
amenities
and
and
it's
had
minimal
improvement.
Since
1993
we've
added
the
seats
we've
done
some
here.
There
we've
switched
an
office
to
a
suite
little
things
like
that.
But
not
much
has
been
done
since
then,
and
most
people
don't
realize
in
2016
with
the
city.
C
We
actually
started
exploring
what
could
be
done
to
ballpark
what
was
the
life
of
the
ballpark
and
commissioned
a
study
by
an
architecture
firm
that
focuses
on
baseball
and
to
figure
out
really
what
could
be
done
at
the
ballpark,
and
they
came
back
some
great
ideas.
C
C
C
Thankful
to
survive,
had
a
lot
to
do
with
location,
some
other
aspects,
but
we
did
make
the
cuts
and
we're
very
grateful
to
continue
affiliated
ball
here
in
asheville
as
part
of
that
they
did
implement,
what's
called
new
facility
standards,
and
that's
really
what
they
expect
your
ballpark
to
look
like,
and
this
was
the
first
time
they
changed
the
facilities
facility
standards
since
1990.
C
So
I
know
I
mean
I
know
they
get
a
lot
heat
because
they
they
have
certain
things
they
want.
They
probably
should
have
made
gradual
changes
since
1990,
but
they
didn't
and
it's
a
point
system.
I
I
tell
people
in
the
restaurant
industry,
it's
like
a
health
score.
You
know
you
can
miss
one
thing
and
still
pass,
but
you
miss
a
lot
of
things.
C
No
one's
allowed
to
eat
your
restaurant
in
this
case
points
are
bad
and
on,
if
you're
under,
if
you
should
be,
if
you're
over
30
points,
you're
basically
have
failed,
and
we
just
had
our
audit
done
this
summer.
Professional
audit
done
and
we
were
at
117
points.
So
obviously
that's
not
good.
You
know
there
is
a
path
to
get
to
below
the
30..
They
actually
did.
They
audited
30
teams.
C
This
past
year
we
were
25th
out
of
the
30th,
so
that's
kind
of
where
we
stand
most
of
the
things
we
need.
The
the
shortened
list
is
new,
led
lights,
larger
home
and
visitors,
club
houses,
expanded
press
box,
there's
really
no
room
up
there
in
their
press
box
sites,
a
few
employees,
female
facilities
for
coaches
and
umpires.
When
ball
parkers
ran
in
1993.
C
You
know,
people
didn't
have
coaches,
they
didn't
have
sorry,
they
didn't
have
female
coaches,
they
didn't
have
female
umpires.
If
you've
seen
the
news
lately,
the
yankees
named
their
low
a
team
with
a
female
manager.
In
theory,
she
gets
promoted
next
year
to
hudson
valley
and
that
person
is
here
in
asheville.
We
don't
have
anywhere
to
put
her
when
she
comes
here.
C
So
female
managers-
coaches-
it
is
something
that's
growing
the
game
and
we
do
not
have
any
facilities
for
them
along
with
the
umpires,
and
we
also
need
improved
batting
cages.
Of
course,
I
know
everyone's
next
question
is:
what
does
this
all
cost?
The
the
price
tag
is
30
million
dollars.
This
is
not
just
a
number
we
pull
from
the
sky.
We
actually
took
that
study
that
we
did
in
2016.
C
Went
back
to
the
architect
said.
Okay,
here
are
the
specs,
make
some
changes
and
obviously
updated
pricing,
and
they
did
and
came
with
that
30
million
dollars,
the
30
million
dollars
does
include
just
fixing
the
existing
facilities
so
part
of
the
ballpark
that
we're
not
doing
anything
to
still
needs
improvements.
You
know
whether
it's
new
air
conditioning
you
know
new.
This
do
that
and
then
it
also
includes
some
fan
enhancements
that
we
feel
is
necessary
to
make
sure
there
is
baseball
here
for
the
next
30
40
50
years.
C
Originally
this
all
had
to
be
completed
by
april
1,
2023,
obviously
that's
impossible
based
on
construction
right
now,
and
we
went
back
to
major
league
baseball
with
those
pretty
much
those
words
and
is
agreed
upon
that
we
have
to
have
a
plan
with
funding
in
place
by
april
1
2023
in
order
to
continue
baseball
in
nashville.
Obviously
this
isn't
nowhere
else
I
had
like
I
told
some
other
day.
I
don't
think
really
want
to
call
their
bluff.
I
mean
this
has
to
happen.
There
just
won't
be
affiliate
ball
here.
C
I'm
well
aware.
This
is
a
big
ask,
but
you
know
this
is
not
a
yearly
ass.
This
is
a
once.
Every
30
40
years
asked
to
really
keep
baseball
here
in
asheville.
So
that's
my
quick
summary
happy
to
answer
any
questions
about.
You
know,
though,
about
those
improvements
about
the
asheville
tourist
in
general.
The
cornfield
floors
open
so
hit
me
up
whatever
you
got.
C
200
000
in
a
normal
year-
hopefully
2023
is
a
normal
year.
I'm
sorry
2022's
normal
year.
C
Not
really,
no,
I
mean
I
you
talking
about
in
the
for
the
future
or
like
today
today,
yeah,
I
can
get
you
something
on
that.
One
yeah.
D
C
And
we
use
just
you
know:
we
use
the
lots
around
us.
We
also
have
a
relationship
with
minnie
jones
they
park
in
our
lot
during
the
day
and
our
fans
can
park
in
their
lot
during
the
game.
So,
okay,
thanks.
B
C
Yeah
three
million
is
improv
is
just
upkeep
on
the
existing
ballpark
and
then
after
that,
it's
about
half
and
half.
But
what
I'll
say
about
that?
A
lot
of
the
projects
are
connected.
C
So
when
you
build
the
new
left
field,
clubhouse
within
while
you're
doing
it,
you
maybe
put
a
fan
picnic
on
top,
so
they
are
very
much
tied
to
each
other.
In
that
way,.
B
C
We
we
handle
the
day-to-day
maintenance.
You
know
the
field
maintenance,
the
ballpark
maintenance,
cleaning,
taking
care
of
the
field
getting
ready
for
the
games.
The
city
handles
the
big
capital
projects.
I
always
use
the
example.
If
the
toilet
overflows
we're
going
to
take
care
of
it
care
of
it,
if
the
toilet
until
he
falls
off
the
wall,
then
we
might
have
to
have
the
city
come
take
care
of
it.
C
That's
kind
of
the
example
I
use,
but
you
know
we
we
try
to
avoid
calling
the
city
as
much
as
possible
and
take
care
of
things
ourselves.
We
have
a
full-time
groundskeeper
who
handles
the
field
and
a
full-time
stadium
operations
manager
who
handles
the
day-to-day
operation.
The
ballpark.
E
I
would
note
that
the
improvements
that
are
like
the
once,
if
you
will
in
that
project,
really
just
get
that
ballpark
up
to
what
you
could
call
the
standard
for
ballparks
built
around
2000
2010
range
right
like
it's
not
like
you're
building
you're
renovating
to
become
what
the
brand
new
stadiums
are
like
right,
like
it's
realistically
getting
us
20
years
ago.
To
be
a
standard.
Is
that
accurate,
yeah.
C
That's
accurate,
I
mean
we,
you
know
we
have
one
suite
in
our
ballpark.
Our
scoreboard
is,
you
know,
was
installed
in
2005.,
so
this
is
not
building
the
taj
mahal.
You
know,
I
know
with
the
extra
half
there.
It
is
just
getting
up
to
a
normal
ballpark
that
you
would
see
if
you
drove
to
greenville
or
greensboro
or
kannapolis
or
any
of
those
other
cities
around
us.
It's
just
kind
of
catching
up
with
the
joneses
to
say,
yep.
A
Okay,
how
the
nature
center
is
next.
E
Well,
thank
you,
brian
feel,
free
to
hang
on
or
if
you
want
to
leave
you're
welcome
too,
but
thank
you
thank.
E
Appreciate
it
all
right
so
to
introduce
everyone
to
chris
gentile.
So
now
we've
got
more
more
chris's
in
our
department.
I
think
we
have
like
four
now
so
it
gets
even
more
confusing,
but
so
chris
runs
the
wnc
nature
center
and
has
for
quite
a
while
and
can
tell
you
all
about
that
fun
place.
I
would
argue:
it's
probably
the
most
fun
facility
that
got
to
join
our
little
new
department
here,
so
I'll,
let
chris
intro
himself
and
what
they
do
and
how
the
nature
center's
been
going.
G
But
but
thank
you,
everyone
for
having
me
join.
Many
of
you
know
that
we
recently
came
over
from
parks
and
rec
and
for
the
13
years
I've
been
here.
The
city
has
supported
us
in
many
ways,
obviously,
most
recently
and
and
really
not
for
the
past
seven
or
eight
years.
G
The
city
and
city
council
has
asked
us
to
maintain
a
a
subsidy
if
you
will
so,
in
other
words,
the
amount
of
money
that
we're
funded
minus
the
revenue
that
we
earn
at
about
25
of
our
overall
operational
costs,
and
that
is
reflective
of
how
many
people
that
visit
the
nature
center
that
come
from
the
city
of
asheville
about
25
percent
of
our
overall
attendance
comes
from
within
the
city
and
all
the
capital
enhancements
that
we've
made
over
the
years
since
I've
been
here,
have
come
from
either
earned
revenue
or
our
friends
of
the
nature
center,
which
is
our
501c3
support
organization
or
through
the
tda.
G
So
we've
been
very,
we
haven't
been
a
burden
so
to
speak
capital
wise
on
the
city
and
going
forward
all
the
capital
projects
we've
identified.
We
have
fundraising
plans
identified
for
them.
We
do
get
a
donation
or,
shall
I
say,
a
restricted
donation
every
year
from
the
friends
of
the
nature
center
for
at
least
a
hundred
thousand,
if
not
more
specifically,
to
do
capital
enhancements,
whether
it
be
major
maintenance
renovation,
new
exhibits
things
like
that.
So
again
we
don't
cost
the
city
from
a
capital
perspective
very
much
at
all.
G
We
are
an
accredited
organization
through
the
association
of
zoos
and
aquariums
there's
about
gosh
about
220.
G
Now
in
the
country,
we're
one
of
only
eight
in
north
carolina
and
and
what
that
means
to
be
accredited
is
that
we
are
the
we
are
the
gold
standard
when
it
comes
to
animal
welfare,
husbandry,
care,
education,
programs,
conservation
initiatives,
things
like
that,
so
there's
a
lot
of
facilities,
there's
close
to
five
thousand
facilities
nationwide
that
are
usda
that
have
a
usda
license
to
be
open
to
the
public
and
of
those
only
about
200,
as
I
mentioned,
are
accredited.
G
So
so
we
are
a
what
I
would
consider
an
upper
echelon,
a
zoological
facility
in
the
united
states
and
to
kind
of
just
to
give
you
a
quick
overview.
The
nature
center
used
to
be
the
old,
asheville
zoo
and
then
in
1974.
G
It
was
converted
to
a
nature
center
focused
on
the
floor
and
fawn
of
the
southern
appalachian
mountains,
and
that's
been
our
mission
and
our
focus
ever
since
so
the
species
that
we
feature
here
are
either
past
present
southern
appalachian
residents,
so
all
the
enemies
we
see
used
to
live
here
at
one
time.
We
also
a
few
years
ago
added
red
panda,
which
people
would
probably
say.
Well,
they
come
from
asia.
G
That
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
southern
appalachians,
but
actually
their
relatives
used
to
live
here
in
the
southern
appalachians
and
we
we
brought
that
whole
aspect
in
by
adding
them
to
our
collection,
because
prehistoric,
red
panda
were
found
over
the
gray
fossil
museum
in
great
tennessee,
so
proving
that
they
used
to
live
here,
or
at
least
their
relatives
used
to
live
here.
G
So
we
plan
on
doing
expanding
that
area
and
adding
more
animals
that
used
to
live
here
at
one
time
so
that
we
could
expand
our
conservation
and
outreach
efforts
and
our
interest
levels
quite
honestly
for
people
visiting
there's
a
lot
to
tell
you.
I
could
probably
spend
several
hours
filling
you
in
on
the
nature
center.
We
draw
about
180
000
guests
a
year,
but
that
number
has
continued
to
rise
over
the
past
10
years.
When
I
first
started,
we
had
about
80
000
guests,
82,
000
guests,
so
now
we're
up
to
180
000.
G
That
number-
and
I
think
it's
phenomenal-
that
we
are
now
in
this
new
department,
because
I
believe
that
myself
and
chris
and
brian
and
some
of
the
folks
that
we've
heard
from
all
have
a
business
mind
and
we
look
to
grow
the
facilities
that
we're
affiliated
with
so
that
we
can
deliver,
in
our
case
our
core
messages
of
conservation,
education
and
animal
health
and
welfare,
and
through
that,
obviously,
we
need
to
have
some
some
business
strategies
and
chris
is
very
supportive
of
that,
as
is
the
city,
and
they
have
been-
and
I
think
it's
it's
exceptional-
we
have.
G
We
have
an
exceptional
future
ahead
of
us
and-
and
I'm
really
I'm
really
proud
to
be.
Representing
the
nature
center
for
sure.
E
E
You
know
we,
we
kind
of
slap
something
together
this
year,
because
this
all
kind
of
came
together
in
january,
but
well
we're
doing
a
reciprocation
program
with
the
southern
conference,
so
any
tickets
for
socon
get
you
in
free
for
the
nature
center
this
week
and
if
you're
a
member
of
the
nature
center,
you
can
agree
to
the
nature
center
this
week
or
you
give
them
free
to
the
socon
this
week
and
that
actually
brings
up
chris.
You
didn't
mention
the
reciprocation
program.
You
should
probably
mention
that.
G
Sure,
well,
we
have
about
close
to
8
000
members
now
of
the
nature
center.
Again,
that's
a
number
that
I
believe
when
you
know
when
I
first
started
we're
around
1500
members.
So
that's
grown
tremendously,
and
and
with
that
not
only
do
you
get,
you
know
unlimited
admission
to
the
nature
center
for
the
people
that
are
on
your
membership,
but
you
also
get
reciprocity
with
many
many
other
accredited
zoos
and
science
centers
throughout
the
country.
G
So
if
you
are
a
zoo
aficionado
like
like,
I
am
and
like
I
was
growing
up,
you
can
take
advantage
of
that
either
free
or
reduced
membership.
When
you
visit
a
city
like
knoxville
or
or
nashville
or
san
diego
or
you
name
it
any
other
place
where
accredited
zoos
and
science
centers
exist.
B
Chris
help
me
understand:
how
are
you
and
your
staff
city
employees,
are
you
employed
by
the
friends
organization.
G
G
So
they
help
with
specifically
fundraising
for
our
activities,
but
they
also
have
the
ability
to
help
with
marketing
so
matthew
and
has
been
very
instrumental
in
meeting
with
that
group
so
that
we're
we're
maximizing
our
efforts.
So
they're,
a
wonderful
partner,
they've
been
a
a
part
of
the
nature
center
part
of
the
we
were
the
county
before
we
were
part
of
the
city.
G
They've
been
the
support
areas
organization
now,
since
the
beginning,
so
we're
very
lucky
to
have
them
as
the
support
organization
so
that
we
don't
have
to
come
to
the
city
for
capital
requests
and
things
like
that,
because
we
know
that
we
have
a
revenue
stream
where,
when
we
were
part
of
parks
and
rec,
of
course,
the
recreation
centers.
Don't
necessarily
have
that.
D
I
I
have
a
question
please,
when
you
have
a
facility
like
this,
are
you
associated
with
any
research
group
or
the
universities
around
here
that
are
into
this
kind
of
research
of
what
you
have
available
there.
G
Yes,
just
for,
for
instance,
locally,
we
work
with
unc
asheville
on
their
bear
monitoring,
study.
They
put
traps
here
on
our
grounds
to
to
catch
roaming,
bears
and
and
make
sure
that
they,
you
know,
are
collaring
all
the
animals
that
they're
tracking.
In
their
study,
we
work
exclude.
We
work
extensively
with
north
carolina,
fish
and
game,
and
fish
and
wildlife
services
on
bog
turtle,
restoration,
habitat
restoration,
songbird,
monitoring,
a
whole
host
of
things.
G
But
yes,
we
we
have
a
very
robust
conservation
and
what
you
would
call
research
initiatives
and
we
work
with
other
zoos
and
aquariums.
So,
for
example,
in
the
case
of
of
the
red
wolf,
which
is
a
very
high
profile
species
that
we
we
work
with
here,
there's
about
40
other
facilities,
nationwide
that
are
involved
in
the
conservation
and
preservation
of
that
species,
and
we
work
with
the
u.s
fish
and
wildlife
on
the
conservation
politics
of
it.
G
The
reintroduction
of
the
animals,
the
zoos
and
aquariums
can
provide
the
expertise
when
it
comes
to
propagation
and
husbandry,
and
then
we
work
with
the
federal
government
on
the
the
introduction
back
into
the
homelands,
in
this
case
eastern
north
carolina.
But
we're
looking
for
other
places
as
well,
so
it's
quite
extensive
that
just
gives
you
a
cursory
view
of
it.
G
No,
the
revenue
that
we
we
get
is
mostly
from
admissions
educational
programs
commissions.
We
have
a
lot
of
groups
that
we
work
with
that
pay
us
a
commission
to
be
part
of
the
nature
center,
like,
for
example,
of
food
vending
and
things
like
that.
G
There's
room
to
grow
in
that
respect,
but
the
the
conservation
we
look
at
is
you
know
that
that's
the
type
of
thing
that
is
part
of
our
mission,
so
the
other
pieces
help
to
raise
money
so
that
we
can
carry
out
the
very
important
mission
that
allows
us
to
be
an
accredited
member
of
aza,
the
conservation
and
the
education
piece.
D
G
I
don't
think
that's
quite
accurate,
that's
that's!
No,
that's
not
accurate.
At
all.
I
mean
we
exist
as
a
resource
for
people
to
learn
about
the
wildlife
of
the
southern
appalachian
mountains
and
to
become
connected
to
them,
and
we
we
exist
as
a
resource
for
our
entire
community.
So
if,
if
we
have
people
that
are
involved
in
in
conservation
programs
or
and
that
want
to
partner
with
us,
we
we
believe
that
it's.
You
know
it's
our
mission
to
be
here
to
assist
him
with
that.
G
But
when
it
comes
to
like,
for
example,
access,
you
know,
we
we
have
a
library
pass
program
where
several
counties
can
check
out
a
library
pass
and
come
visit,
the
nature
center
for
free-
and
it's
all
about
that-
I
mean
if,
if
we,
if
we
were
more
of
an
amusement
park
where
our
bottom
line
was
revenue,
then
that
would
be
the
case.
But
in
this
case
you
know
that
that's
the
reason
why
certain
accredited
facilities
like
ours
exist
so
that
we
can
further
advance
scientific
knowledge
and
conservation
programs.
Things
like
that.
H
I
just
wanted
to
say
from
from
my
standpoint,
having
the
reciprocation
agreement
and
having
the
ability
to
do
that
has
been
huge
because
my
niece
and
nephew
go
to
the
greensboro
science
center
at
least
once
a
week
and
so
coming
in
and
being
able
to
do.
That
here
is
awesome
and
they
had
a
great
time.
B
G
No,
we
used
to
city
council
when
we
were
part
of
parks
and
rec
they
they
had
asked
for
some
of
that
to
come
to
operation,
but
recently
we
looked
at
the
fact
that
we
are
covering
a
lot
of
our
expenses
from
our
from
our
revenues.
So
in
an
effort
to
make
sure
that
we
could
continue
to
make
the
improvements
we
needed
to
and
not
have
to,
compete
like
like.
Chris
was
mentioning
before,
with
with
a
limited
cip
fund,
it
was
decided
that
it
would.
G
It
would
make
more
sense
to
have
that
money
go
to
our
towards
our
improvement,
so
that
we
could,
we
could
quote
unquote,
take
care
of
our
business
john
without
having
to
tax
other
areas
of
the
city,
because,
as
I
mentioned
before,
they
they
are
a
support
organization
focused
specifically
on
on
friend,
raising
and
fundraising
for
the
nature
center.
G
Yes
and
and
credit
to
to
you
know,
like
I
said
the
city
for
allowing
us
to
have
that
great
partnership
and
entrusting
us
enough
to
carry
out
our
mission.
It's
been.
It's
been
phenomenal
that
the
time
I've
spent
here
we
have
a
great
great
relationship
with
all
our
constituents.
A
Any
more
questions,
no,
it
doesn't
appear
that
we
have
any
old
business.
Do
we
chris.
E
We
do
not
know.
Thank
you.
Chris
appreciate
the
update
for
sure.
I
will
note
on
announcements
here.
It
has
our
next
regular
meeting
as
virtual.
E
I
imagine
we're
going
to
be
allowed
to
meet
in
person
come
april,
so
if
you
could
just
mentally
plan
for
that
on
your
calendars
to
be
able
to
do
so
in
the
banquet
hall,
but
we
have
not
gotten
confirmation
from
the
clerk's
office
if
boards
and
commissions
are
going
to
be
allowed
to
go
back
in
person.
Yet.
G
E
D
E
So
there's
it's,
I
don't
know
the
specifics.
I
probably
should
at
this
point,
but
there's
like
some
open
records
laws
about
whether
or
not
we
can
be
in
person
or
not
right
now,
because
it
has
because
of
cobit
and
virtual
meetings,
so
you
either
have
to
be
100
in
person
or
100
virtual
and
no
hybrid
form
of
that.
Yet,
oh.
A
E
H
E
Yeah
we
had
a
sold
out
show
with
nick
cave
who's.
A
australian
artist
he's
been
rehearsing
in
the
theater
since
thursday
and
kicked
off
his
world
tour
here.
We're
proud
of
that
one.
We
we
don't
belong
on
that
tour
at
all.
If
you
look
at
the
tour
dates,
it's
like
toronto,
seattle,
brooklyn
chicago
london,
munich,
we're
the
only
non-a
market.
On
that
tour
it
was,
it
was
pretty.
It
was
a
good
night.
D
Do
we
have
an
opportunity
to
duplicate
that
when
people
are
trying
to
test
their
their
show
and
start?
You
know
like
off-broadway
kind
of
notoriety.
You
come
to
asheville
to
detroit.
E
Yeah
I
mean
we,
it's
not
new
business
for
us
right
before
the
pandemic.
In
2020
january
2020
we
had
the
lumineers
here
for
14
days.
I
think
it
was
rehearsing
and
then
they
kicked
off
two
nights
with
their
world
tour
here.
E
Sergio
simpson
and
tyler
childers
rehearsed
for
two
days
before
they
kicked
off
their
national
tour.
Also
2020.
This
fall.
E
We
had
a
mastodon
and
opeth
two
metal
bands
here
for
three
days
rehearsing
before
they
kicked
off
their
tour,
so
we're
trying
to
get
like
our
name
out
there
as
a
venue
that
can
make
that
happen,
because
you
know
the
major
market
bans
if
you
want
to
rehearse
somewhere,
it's
pretty
hard
to
get
yourself
in
a
major
market
building
for
more
than
two
or
three
consecutive
days,
because
you
know
there's
a
professional
sports
team
or
teams
in
that
building
and
there's
just
they're
busier
right.
So
it's
harder
to
get
those
consecutive
dates
for
rehearsals.
B
E
They
sure
want
a
lot
more
out
of
this.
I
can
tell
you
that
they're
constantly
trying
to
get
a
better
deal
out
of
the
deal
like
the
deal
points
and
basically
saying
that
if
we
provide
a
better
deal,
that
will
help
keep
the
same
amount
of
content
coming
through
the
building,
as
opposed
to
more,
which
is
interesting,
but
it
has
opened
the
doors
to
a
lot
of
acts
that
we
didn't
get
before.
B
E
Expanded
out
to
get
a
lot
more
rock
heavy
metal
style,
rock
country
acts
comedy
as
it
has
expanded.
So,
ultimately,
you
know
and
we're
now
working
with
the
biggest
concert
promoter
in
the
world,
which
is
you
know,
good
and
bad,
but
it's
opened
the
doors
to
a
lot
of
things
and
by
opening
those
doors
it's
put
asheville
on
the
rada
radar
of
other
promoters.
So
we
still
have
our
other.
E
I
want
to
say
six
other
partner
promoters
there
so
live
nation
does
probably
55
60
of
our
shows
and
the
rest
come
from
aeg
national
shows
to
outback
pepper
entertainment
groups
like
that.
D
So
this
is
more
pressure
on
us
to
try
to
get
that
facility
up
to
scale
just
like
the
baseball
field,
just
like
the
golf
field.
Everything
like
that
our
neglect
from
our
investment
in
the
past
are
coming
back
to
work
against
us.
So
now
that
we
can
start
kind
of
fresh
from
things
that
that
thomas
wolf
is
a
high
priority
for
our
future
of
being
a
place
to
come
to,
along
with
everything
else,
we
have
to
offer
our
guests.
E
Yeah,
it's
I'd,
say
it's
a
really.
It's
an
open
opportunity
to
think
about
the
thomas
wolfe
in
a
different
way.
Do
we
need
to
build
a
hall
that
is
built
for
the
symphony
and
for
broadway,
which
is
kind
of
the
direction
we
were
under
before
or
do
we
need
to
work
with
other
groups
and
maybe
have
a
separate
space
for
the
symphony
and
really
tailor
our
room
towards
touring
rock
shows
and
other
style
multi-purpose
events
for
a
cheaper
price
ticket
for
us,
but
similar
price
ticket
for
the
community?
E
D
And
this
is
something
that
this
commission
has
had
experience
and
the
knowledge
to
bring
forth
to
the
city
council.
That's
unique
to
this
commission
because
most
of
us
that
are
on
this
commission
have
had
these
experiences.
E
Yep
yeah,
I
mean
historically
it's
a
little
sad
to
look
at,
but
you
know
I
think,
we've
done
like
18
or
20
studies
on
the
thomas
wolfe
and
the
center
as
a
whole,
since
probably
the
early
80s,
I
think,
is
the
earth
oldest
one,
but
I'm
hesitant
to
try
to
get
into
another
study
to
try
to
think
of
a
different
way,
because
I
feel
like
we
shouldn't,
but
I
think
that
there's
another
direction
that
we
could
look
at
heavily
if
we
can
find
a
way
to
do
it
without
a
study
and
just
do
what
we
think
is
best.
D
E
That
typically
lands,
I
believe
in
may.
If
I
it's
been
a
while,
we
haven't
done
one
since
2019,
but
I
think
it's
typically
landed
in
may
yeah.
E
A
Okay,
why
don't
we
put
that
on
the
agenda
for
the
next
meeting
to
have
that
discussion?
If
you
don't
mind.
A
A
Are
there
any
other
comments,
questions
for
today?
Thank
you,
everybody
for
being
here.
Thank
you,
chris
to
adjourn,
and
oh
you
said
it
before.
I
even
asked
vaughn
you're
so
quick
motion
to
adjourn
by
yvonne.
Thank
you
all
for
being
here,
bye
and
after
that.
Thank
you
so
much
for
taking
this
to
the
city
council,
my
pleasure.
Everyone
have
a
good
rest
of
your
day.