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B
So
I'm
just
looking
to
see
who's
on,
and
so
I
know
kim
cannot
attend
because
she
started
her
new
job,
so
she
can't
get
away
kelsey
emailed
me
yesterday,
after
the
the
pnz
meeting,
she
I
guess
was
in
texas
and
had
some
scheduling,
conflicts
and
stuff,
and
so
she
so
I'm
hoping
she'll
join
us.
I
don't,
but
I
don't
know
what
to
expect
there.
B
So,
besides
those
two,
let's
see
we're
missing
jennifer
and
what's
going
saying,
jeffrey
avery
gave
me
the
thumbs
up,
so
we
are
live
so
we
might
want
to
get
started
and
I
guess
the
others
will
join
us
as
they're
available.
So
I
hope
that
they'll
be
coming
along
soon.
So.
C
Okay,
all
right,
you
know,
I'm
not
gonna,
do
any
kind
of
formal
introduction
here.
This
is
so
for
anybody
who
may
be
listening,
there's
jeffrey
or-
or
maybe
you
know
watching
this
afterwards
and
jennifer.
This
is
the
planing
and
zoning
commission
spring
2022
retreat.
This
is
going
to
be.
You
know
much
more
informal
than
our
normal
meetings.
C
Obviously
our
meetings
have
to
run
on
a
you
know,
pretty
rule
and
procedure
structure,
given
the
more
legal
nature
of
them.
But
this
is.
C
This
is
kind
of
a
time
for
us
to
come
together
and
learn
and-
and
you
know,
grow-
have
discussions
about
things
and,
and
today
there's
probably
going
to
be
some
some
spiky
topics,
but
we've
got
you
know
brenda
mills
and
marcus
kirkman
here
and
they're
gonna
guide
us
through
some
things,
as
well
as
shannon
and
sasha,
and
I
see
vadilla
and
todd
are
also
here
from
staff
and
will
is
here,
so
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
them
here
in
just
a
minute.
C
I
I
just
wanted
to
make
one
kind
of
read
this
real
quick
quote
from
the
dalai
lama,
which
really
kind
of
summarizes
a
lot
of
of
where
I
come
from.
With
with
what
I
do
and
how
I
try
to
move
through
the
world,
and
the
quote
is
our
prime
purpose
in
this
life
is
to
help
others
and
if
you
can't
help
them
at
least
don't
hurt
them,
and
I
think
that
really
you
know
that
kind
of
sums
up
a
lot
of
what
diversity
equity
inclusion
work
is
about.
D
B
Marcus,
I'm
sorry
can
I
interrupt
for
just
one
second,
can
I
just
share
the
agenda
with
everybody,
so
they
can
just
kind
of
see
it
real,
quick.
Let's
just
go
over
it
quickly
and
then
we'll
we'll
dive
in
sorry.
Let
me
get
that
going
here.
G
I
got
one
my
my
brother's
has
his
own
electrical
company
in
charlotte,
so
I'm
not.
I
just.
C
B
That
that
is
awesome
so
anyway.
Well,
let
me
bring
us
back
to
the
business
at
hand,
which
is
our
agenda
this
afternoon,
so
we
haven't
broken
into.
B
Let's
see,
five
six
seven
eight
pieces,
so
we'll
start
with
our
introductions
and
marcus
is
gonna
kind
of
lead
us
through
that
in
our
icebreaker
exercise
we're
gonna
just
briefly
review
the
survey
results
you
all
had
received
that
survey
ahead
of
the
meeting
today,
so
we're
just
going
to
kind
of
look
at
those
questions
and
answers
a
facilitated
discussion
on
some
of
those
resources
that
were
shared
with
all
of
you
as
well.
B
I
hope
you
all
had
the
opportunity
to
at
least
become
familiar
with
a
lot
of
that,
if
not
actually
diving
in
deep
sasha's,
then
gonna
do
a
presentation
for
us
kind
of
looking
at
that.
You
know
asheville's
unique
history.
A
lot
of
these
themes
and
concepts
are
sort
of
global,
but
there's
also
something
special
about
asheville.
That,
I
think,
is
helpful
for
all
of
us
to
know
then
we'll
take
a
break
then
I'll.
B
So
that's
kind
of
it
in
a
nutshell.
I
put
some
times
here
just
as
guide
posts
there.
We
don't
have
to
feel
like
we're
married
to
that.
We
don't
need
to
cut
anybody
off
and
we'll
just
see
how
things
go.
There
will
be
some
opportunities
to
make
up
time
or
go
a
little
bit
longer,
probably
as
we
go
and
so
I'll
try
to
I'll
try
to
kind
of
keep
track
loosely
just
so.
We
know
that
we
don't
run
over
significantly
anywhere
and
that's
it.
B
Okay,
great,
thank
you
marcus,
sorry
to
interrupt
you
like
that,
and
I
will
turn
it
over
to
you.
E
No,
that
is,
that
is
fine.
Thank
you
very
much
shannon
and
thank
you
very
much
joe
for
that
warm
welcome
and
that
incredible
quote
by
the
dalai
lama.
So
what
we'd
like
to
do?
This
is
going
to
be
our
introduction
time
and
icebreaker
to
connect
exercise,
and
what
I
like
to
do
is
do
this.
E
I'm
looking
at
the
screen-
and
I
can
see
everybody's
face
and
everybody's
name,
so
I'm
going
to
go
according
to
my
screen
and
I
am
going
to
first
introduce
myself
and
then
I'm
going
to
share
with
each
of
you
what
my
favorite
dessert
is,
then
I'm
going
to
select
the
next
person
and
that
person
will
introduce
themselves
say
who
they
are
and
what
they
do.
They
will
share
what
their
dessert
is.
E
E
B
B
I
Much
it's
marcus.
His
favorite
dessert
is
sweet.
Potato
pie,
shannon
tuck
her
favorite
dessert
is
anything
with
fruit,
and
I'm
robert
hoke
and
my
favorite
dessert
is
red.
Velvet
cupcakes.
I
I
G
I
K
You're
up
thought
we
just
had
to
list
only
one
person
before
us,
I'm
starting
to
write
down
this
whole
list.
So
I'm
happy,
I
was
called
upon
so
marcus
sweet
potato
pie.
That
is
a
good
one.
I
love
that
too,
shannon
anything
with
fruit
and
robert
red
velvet
cupcakes.
K
This
is
a
hard
question.
I
like
every
dessert,
but
I'm
gonna
go
with
donuts.
I
like
donuts
on
a
weekend.
That's
a
good
one,
so
I
don't
think
this
counts
as
dessert
or
breakfast,
though
I'll
pass
it
along
to
how
about
jeffrey
barton.
L
All
right,
I'm
happy
to
go
early
in
this
too,
because
it's
gonna
be
a
lot
of
desserts
to
remember.
Marcus
kicked
us
off
with
a
sweet
potato
pie
and
we
got
shannon
with
anything
fruit
related
robert
told
us
about
his
red
velvet
cupcakes
and
then
todd
is
deciding
whether
donuts
are
a
dessert
or
not.
So
my
name
is
jeffrey
barton
and
my
favorite
dessert
is
lemon
meringue
pie.
J
All
right,
my
name
is
jennifer
it's
a
beautiful
day
here
I
had
to
take
it
outside
guys.
I'm
sorry.
J
We
got
marcus
with
sweet
potato
pie.
We've
got
shannon
with
anything,
but
fruit.
We've
got
robert
with
red
velvet
cupcakes,
which
are
delicious.
We've
got
todd
with
donuts,
we've
got
jeffrey
with
lemon
meringue
pie
and
myself.
I
love
molten
lava
cake,
especially
that
kind
you
get
on
those
carnival
cruise
ships.
F
Thanks
to
introduction,
my
name
is
brenton
faircloth,
I'm
excited
to
be
here.
Let's
see
so,
I've
met
marcus,
who
likes
sweet
potato
pie,
hopefully
the
ones
with
the
pecans
on
top.
So
those
are
the
best
shannon
she
likes
things
with
fruit
in
it,
robert
hoke.
He
likes
red
velvet,
cupcakes
todd
answer
your
question:
donuts
are
breakfast,
so
donuts
are
good,
jeffrey
barton,
lemon
meringue,
because
he's
fancy
and
jennifer
likes
molten
lava,
cakes
myself.
F
I
used
to
work
from
ice
cream
shop,
so
I
love
cookies
and
cream
ice
cream
and
I'll
pass
it
over
to
mr
will
over
there
good
dude.
M
M
Robert
likes
red
velvet,
cupcakes
todd
likes
donuts
for
breakfast
lunch
or
dinner,
jeffrey
likes,
lemon
meringue
pie,
jennifer
likes
both
lava,
cakes,
brenton,
likes
cooks
and
cream
ice
cream
and
I'm
also
an
ice
cream
guy.
So
I'm
gonna
say
straight
up:
chocolate,
ice
cream,
love,
chocolate,
love,
ice
cream.
So
there's
no
better
combination.
C
Thanks
will
joe
archbald
planning
and
zoning
chair,
I'm
also
an
architect,
woodworker
bike,
rider,
etc,
etc.
Let's
see
so,
we
kicked
off
with
marcus
and
sweet
potato
pie
which
marcus,
I
will
say,
is
something
that
generally
for
me-
and
this
is
a
just
a
childhood
thing
like
sweet
potatoes.
C
No,
I
I
just
I
can't
go
there,
I'm
sorry!
I
really
can't
shannon
anything
with
fruit,
which
of
course,
I
instantly
think
of
pop-tarts,
because
I
love
pop-tarts
and
then
we
had
robert
with
red
velvet
cupcakes,
which
I
agree.
Anything
in
that
small
cake
form
is
just
delicious
todd.
Donuts
are
both
dessert
breakfast
lunch
as
far
as
I'm
concerned,
anything
really
jeffrey
with
the
lemon
meringue
pie,
which
is
super
nice.
They
get
that
light.
C
Fluffy
meringue
love
that
jennifer
with
the
molten
lava
cake,
which
is
also
another
wonderful
one,
I'm
getting
really
hungry
and
wishing
I
had
to
eat
more
lunch
bretton
had
cookies
and
cream
ice
cream
followed
by
will
with
the
chocolate
ice
cream.
You
know
I'm
gonna
combine
a
couple
of
these
things,
because
I
really
love
strawberry
rhubarb
pie
with
vanilla
ice
cream
on
it
like
that
to
me
is
just
that's.
That's
great!
That's
some
good
stuff
and
I
am
gonna
pass
it
on
to
avery.
N
Hi
everybody,
I'm
avery,
2
planning
technician
with
the
city.
I'm
going
to
start
out
by
saying
that
I
did
not
write
anything
down.
I
think
that's
cheating,
so
anyone
who's
doing
that.
I
disapprove
and
I
actually
I
might
need
some
help
because
I
I
have
not,
I
don't
think
I'll-
remember
all
of
them,
but
I'll
try
and
do
it
in
reverse
too,
because
that
that
seems
easier
to
me.
N
N
Cream
yeah,
I
already
screwed
them
bretton,
had
cookies
and
cream
ice
cream
yeah
before
that
was
jennifer
with
molten
lava
cake
before
that
was
jeffrey
barton
with
lemon
meringue
and
then.
N
Oh
boy,
it
was
getting
hard.
It
was
before.
O
N
Todd
todd
had
doughnuts
easy
enough.
Oh
man
was
it
robert
before
todd
and
robert
had
red
velvet
cupcakes
before
robert
was
shannon
anything
with
fruit
before
shannon
was
marcus
and
he
had
sweet
potato
pie.
N
Well,
I'll
just
make
it
harder
for
anybody
who
comes
after
me
by
throwing
a
wrench
in
the
works
and
giving
two.
So
I
have
to
go
with
todd's
breakfast.
I
have
french
toast.
It's
got
to
be
one
and
then
I'll.
We'll
also
give
another
actual
dessert,
which
is
s'mores
so.
E
P
P
Robert
hope
loves
red,
velvet,
cupcakes
and
todd,
and
I
guess
I'm
a
cheater
here.
I
love
donuts,
jeffrey
barton,
lemon
meringue
pie,
jennifer
with
molten
lava
cake,
which
was
an
awesome
choice.
I
will
say
brendan:
faircloth,
cookies
and
cream
ice
cream
will
loves
chocolate,
ice
cream,
joe
loves
strawberry,
rhubarb
pie
with
ice
cream
and
avery,
I'm
gonna,
say
s'mores,
since
I
don't
think
french
toast
is
dessert
and
for
me
I
guess
I,
my
favorite
thing
would
be
like
a
warm
chocolate
chip,
chocolate
chunk,
cookie.
That
would
be
my
favorite
and
I
will
choose.
Q
Hello,
everyone-
I
am
adrian
miles
with
the
city
attorney's
office
here
in
the
city
of
asheville,
and
I
definitely
wrote
this
down.
So
don't
judge
me
marcus,
likes,
sweet
potato
pie,
shannon
like
anything
with
fruit
robert
is
the
red
velvet.
Cupcakes
todd
is
donuts.
I
totally
agree
that
is
dessert.
I
will
eat
it
for
dessert
every
time,
jeffrey,
lemon
marine
pie,
jennifer
likes
molten,
lava
cake,
also,
an
amazing
choice.
Brenton
likes
cookie
and
cream
ice
cream.
I
also
love
ice
cream.
So
I'm
here
for
that
will
is
the
chocolate
ice
cream.
Q
R
Okay,
I'm
also
not
cheating.
I
appreciate
the
honest
people
here,
we'll
go.
Let's
see
it
started
with.
B
R
R
That's
all
right,
give
me
a
give
me
a
hint,
it's
sweet,
sweet,
potato
pie.
That's
right
then
went
shannon
with
anything
with
fruit.
Then
we
had
todd
robert.
B
R
Robert
hope,
that's
right.
Sweet
velvet
cake,
good
choice.
R
R
You
said
joe
all
right
jeffrey
with:
let's
see
was
it.
R
R
Jennifer
with
some
molten
lava
cake.
R
B
E
S
R
Okay,
so
it's
kind
of
cheating
on
three
levels:
the
strawberry
is
dessert
itself
just
kidding.
I'm
I'm
totally
kidding
here.
Next
up
was
sasha
no.
P
R
Avery,
oh
avery,
you
gave
us
the
the
two
which
includes
s'mores
I'll
call
out
that
one
then
sasha.
R
Yes,
and
I
forgot
what
you
like
sasha
it
was
chocolatey.
It
was
chocolatey
warm
warm.
R
Chunk
cookies
warm
chocolate
chunk
cookies,
then
aaron
is.
R
R
S
E
Creme
brulee
yeah
great
job
I'll,
tell
you
by
the
way.
Yes,
we
have
two
left
janice
and
brendan.
R
Okay,
I'll
I'll
go
to
I'll
go
to
brendan
so
that
yeah
brendan.
A
Brenda
brenda,
okay,
so
I'm
gonna
give
a
shot.
I
did
write
it
down,
but
I'm
not
gonna.
Look.
I
I'm
gonna
cheat
with
the
order.
Marcus,
like
sweet,
potato
pie,
shannon
likes
anything.
I'm
sorry,
brenda
males,
director
of
equity
and
inclusion
and
y'all
have
made
my
teeth
ache
and
my
stomach
rumble
with
all
these
desserts
marcus
likes
fake,
potato
pie,
which
I
like
too
shannon
likes
anything
with
fruit.
Robert
likes
red
velvet,
cupcakes
todd
is
my
donut
man.
Todd
get
ready
to
make
them
air
fryer,
donuts
I'll.
Let
you
know
about
that.
A
A
Brenton
likes
cookie
cream
ice
cream
will
likes
french,
toast
and
s'mores,
which
make
my
teeth
ache,
but
they're
so
delicious.
That.
E
A
Joe
strawberry
rhubarb,
I
have
it
with
ice
cream.
I
haven't
had
that
since
I
was
a
child
avery
likes
french
toast
and
s'mores
sasha
likes
warm
chocolate
chunk.
Cookies
aaron
is
strawberry
ice
cream
because
I
don't
like
strawberry
ice
cream.
So
anytime,
I
have
someone
make
sure
you
get
it.
Vadilla
likes
creme
brulee,
because
he's
fancy
and
I
like
german
chocolate
cake
homemade.
E
T
Everybody
I'm
I'm
janice
ashley,
I'm
a
senior.
T
Attorney
I've
been
representing
planning
and
zoning
at
their
annual
meeting.
Since
I
got
here,
which
is
almost
more
than
10
years
ago
now,
and
I
also
have
a
background
in
planning-
I
have
a
master's
in
planning,
and
so
I
really
love
getting
to
work
with
planning
and
zoning
and
and
hearing
all
the
perspectives
of
the
commissioners.
T
I
T
Robert
red
velvet
cupcakes.
K
L
T
Jeffrey
lemon
meringue
pie,
one
of
my
favorites
jennifer
jennifer
molten,
lava
chocolate
cake,
which
I
always
look
good
on
the
menu.
But
I
just
too
for
me
now
you
gotta.
M
T
Branson
cookies
and
cream
ice
cream.
M
C
T
Joe's
strawberry
rhubarb
pie
with
vanilla
ice
cream,
avery
avery,
french
toast,
which
is
not
a
dessert,
but
I
do
love
french
toast
and
s'mores
sasha
sasha
warm
chocolate
chunk
cookies.
Q
M
T
A
T
T
And
mine
since
creme
brulee
has
taken,
I
would
say,
carrot,
cake
or
blackberry
cobbler
with
vanilla
ice
cream.
E
Well,
thank
you
incredible
job,
janet's,
incredible
job.
Thank
you
all
for
your
participation.
It
would
only
be
fair
for
me
now
to
go
back
and
speak
everybody's
dessert.
I
did
not
write
it
down
right.
I
was
looking
at
you
as
you
spoke.
So
let's
see
how
this
goes
again.
I'm
marcus
kirkman,
I
love
sweet
potato
pie,
shannon
loves
anything
with
fruit.
E
Robert
loves
red
velvet
cupcakes.
Next
we
had
todd
todd
likes
donuts
and
it's
somewhere
in
between
breakfast
lunch
dinner.
Any
time
of
day
jeffrey
loves,
lemon
meringue
pie,
jennifer
loves
going
to
cruises
and
get
the
the
chocolate.
Oh,
my
goodness
it
was
sitting
right
there
I
was
gonna,
say
fountain
cake,
but
that's
not
such
a
thing.
E
Molten
molten
there
we
go
there
we
go
next.
We
had
joe,
I
believe,
if
not
joe,
had
strawberry
rhubarb
with
vanilla
ice
cream
brenton,
let's
cookies
and
cream
ice
cream
will
said,
I
like
chocolate,
ice
cream,
avery
love
too
french,
toast
and
s'mores
sasha
like
warm
chocolate
chunk
cookies.
E
E
E
That's
a
better
hurricane
outstanding.
We
got
through
it
all.
Thank
you
all
very
much
give
yourselves
a
hand
on
that.
That
was
really
cool.
Thank
you.
Well.
We're
gonna
take
a
moment
now
to
to
take
a
look
at
our
retreat
survey
that
we
sent
out
and
we
were
actually
able
to
get
some
feedback
and
input
on
that,
and
we
just
wanted
to
place
our
eyes
on.
It
have
some
conversation
around
it
and
if
we
can
shannon
do
we
have
that
available,
we
can
share
it
on
the
screen.
B
E
Okay
and
thank
you
for
everyone
who
was
able
to
participate,
it
really
did
provide
us
some
insight
and
some
speaking
points
this
afternoon.
So
thank
you.
E
And
kind
of
give
you
an
idea
when
we
take
a
look
at
the
graph,
the
graphs,
because
there's
several
on
the
left-hand
side
of
the
graph
you'll
see
the
numbers
one
through
five,
and
just
so
that
you
know
what
the
legend
is,
that
one
means
strongly
disagrees
and
the
five
is
I
strongly
agree,
so
it
goes
from
lowest
to
highest,
and
the
very
first
question
that
we
had
where
we
received
responses
from
was
the
question:
the
city
of
asheville,
values,
diversity,
equity
and
inclusion.
E
And
again,
when
we
take
a
look
at
our
responses
that
we
had,
we
see
that
it
landed
where
we're
about
average.
All
of
the
participants
who
did
respond.
We
landed
on
a
three
which
says:
that's
real.
We've
made
some
success
and
we're
doing
well
in
some
areas,
but
also
there's
room
for
growth,
so
I'd
love
to
hear
from
anyone
everyone
here.
E
B
I'd
like
to
see
asheville
be
more
deliberate
in
our
when
we
make
certain
decisions
that
we
specifically
look
at
from
an
equity
standpoint.
M
E
So
not
only
in
our
decision-making
to
be
more
deliberate
and
and
intentional,
but
also
to
incorporate
the
equity
lens
in
our
decision-making
outstanding
and
feel
free.
This,
this
is
open,
sharing,
feel
free
to
take
yourself
off
mute
as
you'd
like
to
share
and
include
input
any
other
ideas
that
would
help
us
to
increase
that
three
to
a
four.
F
Hi,
I'm
brenton.
You
know
I've
been
up
here
for
eight
years
now
and
I
work
in
the
construction
industry.
I
sell
construction
products,
so
I
work
with
a
lot
of
people
with
hispanic
latino
backgrounds,
and
you
know
I
would
just
like
to
see
that
group
get
more
more
of
an
agency
or
more
of
a
voice
in
a
lot
of
things.
You
know
I
I
think
asheville
has
been
a
very
inclusive
community
and
I
love
living
up
here,
but
I
think
that
group's
been
marginalized.
E
Outstanding
so
definitely
heard
brent.
You've
been
here
eight
years
and
you'd
like
to
see
that
the
hispanic
and
the
latin
community
have
more
of
a
presence
in
an
agency
and
what's
happening
in
nashville.
I'm
curious
in
that
eight
years
have
you
seen
progression
and
growth
around
support
for
the
hispanic
and
lieutenant
latino
community?
F
Seen
it
you
know,
I
want
to
answer
honestly,
it's
hard,
you
know,
being
a
white
man,
it's
hard
for
me
to
answer
that
question
really.
Honestly,
because
you
know
I'm
not
in
that
community,
I
just
interact
with
them
a
lot.
Okay,
you
know
I
I
I
feel
like
it's
grown
incrementally
as
far
as
what
I've
seen
through
my
little
point
of
view,
you
know
that
they're
just
a
huge
portion
of
the
population
here
and
I
you
know,
I
feel,
like
they're
underrepresented-
a
lot
a
lot
of
times.
F
So
I
think
it's
grown
some,
but
you
know,
I
think,
proportionally
to
how
many
people
in
that
group
that
demographic
live
in
the
area.
I
think
it's
underserved.
E
F
I
think,
as
a
whole
I
mean
I,
I
don't
want
to
just
confine
that
that
demographic
of
people
to
being
in
the
construction
industry
I
mean
they.
They
work
that
that
demographic
works
in
a
lot
of
different
industries.
F
E
B
E
Wonderful,
thank
you
very
much
and
if
there
no
other
shares,
we
will
move
on
to
question
number
two
and
if
something
comes
to
mind,
please
feel
free
to
raise
your
hand.
The
second
question
is
this:
the
city
of
asheville
is
investing
time
and
resources
into
improving
diversity,
equity
and
inclusion.
And
again
one
is
strongly
degree.
Disagree.
E
Five
is
strongly
agreed
and,
as
we
can
take
a
look
at
our
graph
here,
we
see
that
we
were
evenly
split
on
the
shares.
E
Half
of
us
felt
that
we
were
doing
about
average
at
a
three
and
the
other
half
felt
that
we
were
above
average,
and
one
of
my
questions
around
this
for
you
that
I'd
love
to
hear
from
you
is
where
do
you
see
that
we
are
are
investing
our
time
and
our
resources
in
our
city
around
improving
diversity,
equity
inclusion?
E
H
Hello,
robert
hoke,
I
mean
a
little
bit.
My
background
is
like
over
30
years
in
manufacturing
and
also
a
real
estate
agent
in
ash
for
every
over
a
year
I
mean
I
just
have
been
on
the
planet
and
doing
it
for
just
almost
a
year
now-
and
I
just
see
the
resources
is,
is
I
guess
the
the
equity
table
when
it
comes
to
projects
come
today
to
try
to
get
some
affordability
here,
and
then
I've
seen
some
some
some
advertising
or
community
at
stephensville
recreation
center.
H
Not
far
from
me
when
it
comes
to
you
know,
helping
children
or
just
classes
around,
you
know
diversity,
and
then
I
mean
my
my
biggest
thing
is
to
would
see.
H
I
guess
the
education
piece
of
I
mean
having
a
hopefully
a
a
class
or
a
just
event
once
a
month
or
every
every
course
a
quarter
to
just
to
talk
about
this
and
you
know
to
have
it
at
the
forefront
of
just
once
a
year
or
you
know,
I
know
brenda
has
a
lot
on
her
table,
but
just
to
getting
it
out
there
to
the
to
the
people
and
asking
them.
H
But
the
biggest
thing
is
is
a
question
with
I
mentioned
a
guy,
I
grew
up
with
he
was
talking
about.
I
mean
the
recreation
centers
of
you
know
being
taken
over.
You
know
by
others
based
off,
because
I
used
to.
I
grew
up
in
asheville
played
basketball
center
and
just
that
this
kind
of,
like
you
know,
kept
me
busy
and
kept
me.
You
know
out
of
trouble
in
a
sense.
H
Just
sports
is
something
that
it
always
had
was
in
my
forefront
and
helped
me,
you
know,
become
you
know,
a
better
person
or
confidence,
but
you
know
it's.
You
know
it's
a
great
topic
and
I'm
looking
forward
to
to
help
them
plus
I'm.
You
know
more
background,
I'm
in
the
12-step
program
for
over
30
years,
so
and
sometimes
that
aspect
of
mind-body
spirit.
H
Here
can
yeah
can
help
people
overcome
some
of
these.
E
Really
really
appreciate
that
robert
and
and
some
of
the
things
that
are
hurting
your
share
and
jennifer,
I
will
respond
to
you
next.
Thank
you
very
much.
One
of
the
things
that
I
heard
in
your
share
is
that,
with
regards
to
the
city
of
asheville,
investing
time
and
resources
and
improving
diversity,
equity
inclusion
that
you
have
seen
some
of
that
evidence
in
the
community
you
mentioned
you've
seen
it
in
some
projects
around
affordability,
housing.
E
H
Yes,
yes,
I
would
think
that
this
was
told
based
off
some
feedback
of
things.
That
happened.
You
know
foreign
center
or
yoga
or
whatever
up
there.
Instead
of
we
used
to
have
recreation,
you
know
I
worked
for
ceta.
If
you
remember
remember
that
many
years
ago
and
three
dollars
an
hour
was
a
lot
of
money,
but
it
was
a
summer
job
that
you
know
made
me.
H
You
know,
feel
confident
and
support
myself
at
a
teenage
years,
but
just
you
know,
playing
basketball
and,
having
you
know,
recreation
for
kids
and
and
also
just
even
going
into
to
schools-
and
you
know
just
having
a
you
know,
just
a
one
talk
with
with
the
you
know.
I
remember
that
growing
up
with
you
know
mentors
would
come
into
the
school
and
go
to
the
auditorium
and
they
would
talk
about.
H
You
know
I'm
not
just
not
using
drugs,
but
also
just
having
them
a
life
and
giving
them
some
confidence.
That's
where
it
starts
with
the
kids.
E
Completely
heard
robert
and
thank
you
for
that,
there's
an
opportunity
to
create
more
equitable
resources,
as
it
relates
to
quality
of
life.
You
mentioned
yoga,
mind
body,
health
and
things
like
that.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
that
and
jennifer.
You
had
your
hand
raised.
J
Thank
you
so
just
a
little
bit
about
my
background
is
I
spent
15
years
in
government
and
nonprofit,
and
I
was
in
the
peace
corps
for
two
years
in
honduras.
I
was
the
hispanic
coordinator
initiative
director
for
girl
scouts
north
carolina
coastal
pines.
Before
I
moved
to
asheville
and
most
recently
I've
been
in
retail
for
seven
years,
so
I
think
asheville
is
moving
in
the
right
direction
for
diversity,
equity
and
inclusion.
J
I
see
a
lot
of
things
around
town
as
far
as
you
know,
we
have-
and
I
don't
know
which
ones
of
these
fall
in
the
county
and
which
ones
fall
in
the
city.
So
you
know
correct
me,
but
you
know
I
mean
I
see
that
we
have
like
a
hispanic
hispanic
program
every
year
out
in
pack
square
park.
We
have
more.
We
have
a
huge
you
know
lgbt
community
here
where
people
can
feel
welcome.
J
J
As
my
time
in
girl,
scouts
definitely
showed
me
like
where
we
can
reach
out
to
and
there's
a
lot
of
grassroots
work
that
has
to
be
done
just
by
knocking
on
doors
and
getting
out
into
the
community,
and
you
know
one
thing
I
did
there
was
was
able
to
take
eight
girls
from
a
very
low
income
community
and
send
them
off
to
girl
scout
camp
for
two
summers
in
a
row,
but
getting
the
stigma
out
to
families
of
that.
This
is
like
a
safe
community
and
what
you
can
do.
J
Those
are
things
that
we
have
to
work
on
and,
like
robert
said
about
just
like
building
the
parks
and
things
like
that.
Those
are
things
we
can
work
on
here
on
our
planning
and
zoning
committee
and
making
sure
that
it's
not
just
in
like
certain
communities,
you
know
so
some
things
I
would
also
like
to
see
us
work
on
is
like
the
gender
part
of
diversity
and
equity
and
inclusion
more
things
for,
like
you,
know
women's
history
month
and
the
affordable
housing.
J
Like
I
said,
I
worked
in
retail
and
actually
had
a
meeting
this
morning
with
a
district
manager,
and
we
were
talking
about
affordable
housing,
and
I
know
this
has
come
up
several
times
on
our
on
our
meetings,
but
you
know
forty
thousand
dollars.
If
you
make
forty
thousand
dollars
a
year,
you
qualify
for
affordable
housing.
Those
are
people
that
work
for
me
that
make
15
an
hour,
so
that's
kind
of
like
where
we
need
to
start
looking
at,
but
think
of
all
the
people
that
live
here
that
don't
make
15
an
hour.
J
How
can
we
really
reach
out
to
them
and
those
types
of
communities?
I
mean.
That's
like
a
huge,
you
know,
important
part.
Making
them
eligible
for
affordable
housing
could
really
change
their
life.
You
know
I
have
somebody
that
that
rents
from
me
right
now,
a
single
mom
and
she
pays
fifteen
thousand
dollars
a
year
in
rent.
J
So
if
you
have
somebody
that
lives
here
and
they're,
paying
fifteen
thousand
dollars
a
year
in
rent
and
they're
paying
15
000
a
year
in
child
care
like
they're
like
not
making
it,
I
don't
know
how
they're
like
living.
So
I
think
those
are
all
things
that
we
can
improve
on
in
this,
underneath
this
umbrella.
E
I
really
really
appreciate
that
jennifer
and
vidil.
I
did
see
your
hand
up
so
I'll
be
coming
to
you
next.
I
wanted
to
to
highlight
some
of
your
shares,
jennifer
that
you
mentioned
in
your
time
since
you've
been
here
in
asheville.
You
spoke
to
where
we've
had
visible
support
for
different
communities
with
the
hispanic
celebration
in
pack
square
you've
observed
that
you
have
observed
the
lbgtqi
support
here
in
asheville.
The
black
lives
matter.
E
Movement
you've
seen
that
here,
but
you
also
see
where
there's
an
opportunity
for
us
to
be
more
active
and
engaged
around
gender
and
certainly
around
affordable
housing
to
provide
support
and
resolutions
for
those
areas.
E
All
right
question
number
three:
I
feel
that
my
unique
background
and
identity
are
valued
and
respected
in
the
city
of
asheville
and
again,
as
we
take
a
look
at
this,
the
majority
of
the
responses
were
that
we
were
above
average
in
this
area,
but
we
did
have
a
presence
where
we
felt
like
that
we
were
average
and
what
I
would
love
to
hear
from
the
commission
and
everyone
here
is.
E
B
I
I
don't
know
if
this
is
really
a
system
per
se,
but
when
I
think
about
what
what
is
nice
about
asheville
for
me
is
that
I
feel
like
we're
a
very
welcoming
community
and
a
very
accepting
community,
and
I
wonder
if
that
and
then
I
think
culturally.
If
you
have
that,
then
it
might
even
attract
you
know
other
similarly
minded
people
who
are
looking
for
an
environment
like
that.
So
I
wonder
if
that
is
part
of
what
helps
people
feel
like
their
uniqueness,
is
valued
and
respected.
E
Avadilla,
I
will
certainly
come
to
you.
You
bring
up
a
very
interesting
point,
shannon
that
we
are
welcoming
city.
So
when
you
take
a
look
at
that,
what
what
are
ways
that
we
as
asphalt,
welcome
people
and
and
help
people
feel
comfortable.
B
You
know,
I
guess
one
thing
that
too
I
should
maybe
just
mention.
Is
that,
like
I've
noticed
that
you
know,
I
actually
wrote
this?
I
wrote
these
questions
and
when
I
say
the
city
of
asheville,
I
realized
that
that
could
be
interpreted
different
ways.
It
could
be.
What
does
the
city
of
the
government
city
of
asheville
do
and
then
also?
What
does
the
city
of
asheville
like
the
broader
city
of
asheville?
B
Do
I
think
in
my
mind
I
was
thinking
more
probably
government,
the
city
of
asheville
organization,
but
with
this
question
I
almost
think
it
has
more
to
do
with.
Well,
I
suppose
something
that
the
city
of
asheville
organization
does
is.
B
I
think
we
have
made
strong
efforts
to
recruit
a
more
diverse
workforce,
and
I
think
you
know
having
colleagues
who
are
of
similar
faith
or
people
of
color
or
whatever
just
just
makes
everything
feel
more
comfortable
for
people,
but
I
also
think
about
the
larger
city
of
asheville,
and
you
know
just
how
businesses
kind
of
clearly
are
welcoming
and
accepting.
But
you
know
like
having
all
you
know:
gender
neutral
bathrooms
or
you
know,
illustrating
a
gay
pride
flag,
or
you
know
things
like
that.
E
I
really
appreciate
that
shannon
and
really
appreciating
that
that
distinction
in
that
that
framework
that
you
provided
for
us
not
just
talking
about
the
the
government
perspective,
but
in
the
larger
collective,
the
actual
city
of
asheville,
one
of
the
one
of
the
things
that
really
drew
me
to
asheville
and-
and
since
my
time
being
here
that
I
feel
like
we
do
a
very
good
job
at
both
as
a
city,
government
and
also
the
collective
is
a
sense
of
community.
E
There
is
a
commitment
to
be
community
to
to
live
in
community,
to
work
in
community
to
to
share
in
community,
and
it's
a
very
tangible
presence,
and
I
think
that
we
we
do
a
good
job
at
that.
Vadella.
R
Thanks
when
I
read
this
question
to
me
reading
that
I,
what
I
feel
my
unique
background
and
identity
have
to
do
with
is
really
what
is
my
difference
right?
R
What
makes
me
unique
and
what
makes
everybody
unique
is
the
things
that
make
the
them
different
from
everybody
else,
and
so
I
think
it's
important
in
thinking
about
differences
that
that
when,
when
we
want
to
value
and
respect
those
differences
to
me,
the
key
elements
are
tolerance,
vulnerability
and
a
willingness
to
open
up
to
someone
who's
challenging
the
norm,
and
I
think
this
is
really
important,
because
typically
it
seems
that
whatever
idea
is
the
common
idea,
the
status
quo
there's
there's
momentum
behind
it
and
people.
R
People
don't
really
want
to
step
outside
of
that
or
it's
challenging,
and
so
I
think
we
need
to
have
more
courage
to
speak
up
when
we
want
to
you
know,
I
acknowledge
a
difference
that
that
we
need
to
think
about
differently.
D
R
And,
and
to
have
the
vulnerability
when,
when
it's
sensitive
to
to
take
it
in
and
to
hear
it
and
to
feel
it
and
to
struggle
through
it,
so
I
guess
I
would
just
you
know
highlight
this:
this
need
for
courage
and
vulnerability.
E
The
need
for
courage
and
vulnerability
as
it
relates
to
honoring
and
acknowledging
our
differences
and
embracing
those
differences,
be
curious
to
hear
vadilla
and
your
experience.
In
your
perspective,
how
would
you
say
that
we're
doing
as
a
city
in
engaging
and
embracing
the
differences
with
that
curiosity
with
that
desire
to
unfold
it
to
unpack
it
to
embrace
it.
R
I
think
in
a
lot
of
ways
we're
doing
we're
we're
trying
really
hard.
I
think
this
this
city
has
taken
some
pretty
bold
steps
to
acknowledge
the
need
for
dealing
with
diversity
and
equity
in
a
better
way,
and
I
think,
we're
just
kind
of
starting
we're
at
the
the
first
steps
that
this
is
really
just
started
in
in
the
last
couple
years.
R
So
I
think
I
think
the
intention
to
address
the
issues
is
there
and
the
trains
left
the
station,
and
now
we
need
to
continue
to
just
struggle
with
it
and
and
help
it
to
move
along.
E
Good
deal
that
we're
on
the
front
end
of
it,
so
that
thank
you
for
that
feedback,
especially
highlighting
the
importance
of
embracing
difference,
because
that
really
facilitates
growth
in
so
many
ways.
Thank
you
all
question
number
four.
E
I
know
where
to
find
resources
to
learn
more
about
diversity,
equity
and
inclusion,
and
we
had
a
response
where
someone
responded,
that
they
completely
disagreed
and
that
we
had
responses
where
kind
of
know
where
to
go,
but
don't
really
feel
comfortable
so
I'll,
take
a
moment
to
kind
of
speak
to
this
and
highlight
some
things
for
us
and
I'll
follow
up
with
shannon
in
an
email
to
list
some
of
these
resources
that
we
know
first
thing.
E
I'd
like
to
share
is
that
our
equity
and
inclusion
department
with
the
city
is
now
fully
staffed.
Most
of
you
may
know.
Some
of
you
may
not
know
that
we
brenda,
of
course,
is
our
director
and
brenda
for
quite
some
time
was
managing
the
day-to-day
activities
of
the
department
herself,
which
is
a
tremendous
load.
E
I
came
on
board
in
december
a
couple
weeks
as
the
equity
inclusion
training
consultant
a
couple
weeks
after
me
was
darian
blue,
who
is
our
community
engaging
engagement
liaison,
and
now
we
have
elena
smith,
who
was
with
parks
and
rex,
and
now
she
is
our
research
and
dinner
analyst.
So
we
are
a
full
family
and
I
say
that
so
that
you
know,
but
I
say
that
also.
E
We
are
currently
in
the
process
of
revamping
our
equity
inclusion
page
for
the
city,
so
that
will
be
rolled
out
here
shortly.
It'll
have
all
of
our
pictures
up
there,
our
bios
that
we
currently
do
have
an
equity
inclusion
page.
It
does
provide
some
information,
but
we're
bringing
that
current
time
as
it
reflects
our
city
right
now.
E
If
you
go
to
our
current
equity
and
inclusion
page,
these
are
some
of
the
things
that
are
offered
on
the
page,
so
that
you
know
the
key
concepts
and
definitions
around
diversity,
equity,
inclusion,
institutional
racism,
because
all
those
terms
are
different,
but
they
work
together
in
us
setting
our
policies,
how
we
train,
how
we
view
equity
through
the
lens
of
all
our
projects.
So
it's
really
good
for
us
to
have
a
foundational
understanding
of
the
concepts
we
also
on
the
page.
E
Currently
it
displays
and
breaks
down
the
difference
between
equity
and
inclusion.
Excuse
me,
equity
and
equality.
Equality
simply
says
that
everyone
has
the
same
thing,
meaning
that
if
I
needed
a
coat
that
next
person
is
giving
a
coat
too,
but
if
I'm
given
a
coat
that
doesn't
fit
me,
that
really
doesn't
do
me
any
good.
That's
where
equity
comes
in
equity
is
where
we
provide
the
resources
to
make
sure
that
everyone
thrives,
and
it's
specific,
it's
tailor-made
for
people.
E
We
also
have
on
our
current
business
pay
equity,
page
the
business
inclusion
link
that
highlights
all
of
the
minority
businesses
here
in
the
city.
We
have
a
discrimination
form
and
our
latest
and
greatest
equity
inclusion
news
again.
All
of
that
is
to
be
updated.
E
What
are
some
additional
equity
inclusion
resources
that
I
will
put
in
that
email
to
shannon
the
link
to
gear
gear
is
the
non-profit
organization
that
supports
racial
and
equity
inclusion,
work
that
has
an
incredible
list
of
resources.
They
get
there's.
Also,
a
non-profit
organization
called
race
forward
where
they
offer
trainings
throughout
the
year
seminars,
conversations
on
current
day,
topics
addressing
equity
and
inclusion
issues
and
also
policy
link.
So
those
are
some
resources
again.
E
I
put
that
in
email
to
shannon
so
that
you
all
can
take
a
look
at
it
and
pull
from
that.
What
you
need
in
the
support
of
your
work
or
any
questions
you
may
have
and
question
number
five.
E
I
feel
comfortable
having
honest
conversations
with
my
colleagues
regarding
diversity,
equity
and
inclusion,
and
when
we
take
a
look
at
our
responses,
we
had
a
response
of
a
two:
that's
that's
less
than
average
when
someone
did
not
feel
comfortable,
and
that
is
not
an
isolated
case.
I
would
imagine
that
there
are
so
many
others
who
may
feel
the
same
way,
and
then
we
had
was
many
responses
where
we
felt
above
average.
E
So
my
question
to
us
is
on
this
idea
of
feeling
comfortable
about
having
honest
conversations
with
our
colleagues
around
diversity,
equine
and
inclusion.
What
are
some
of
the
barriers
to
this
that
prevent
us
from
having
those
open,
honest
conversations,
meaningful
conversations?
What
are
some
of
the
barriers
that
show
up
for
us.
F
Hey
marcus
thanks
for
leading
us
through
this,
and
I
don't
know
if
this
is
gonna
directly
answer
your
question.
I
guess
just
you
know
I
don't
mind
having
honest
conversations
but
again,
I'm
coming
at
the
lens
through
you
know:
I'm
a
white
straight
male,
so
I
you
know,
I
don't
know
if
someone
I'm
talking
to
they're
having
a
conversation
with
me
at
work
or
something
you
know
that
their
perception
situation
is
much
different
than
mine
or
you
know
they're
they're
much
less
comfortable.
F
So
I
I
guess
my
my
answer
is
like
you
know,
I
feel
comfortable
having
that
conversation,
but
I
don't
know
what
I
can
do
to
make
that
person
or
that
group
feel
comfortable
with
having
that
conversation
without
repercussion
or
without
stigma.
F
E
No,
no
brent,
absolutely
appreciate
what
you
shared
and
what
I
heard
was
you
identify
as
a
white
male
and
you
are
very
open
to
having
conversations
around
diversity
with
a
diverse
group
of
people
but
you're
not
sure
how
they
may
respond
to
you
or
what
they
may
be
thinking
about
you,
but
you're
open
to
do
that
right
and
one
of
the
barriers
that
I
heard
was
that
there's
a
barrier
to
relationship
there's
a
barrier
to
relationship
whenever
we
have
a
relationship
with
someone,
whether
we
know
them
right
off
without
hurt
them
once
we
actually
establish
a
relationship
and
the
relationship
can
simply
start
by
hello.
E
My
name
is
brenton.
Your
name
is
from
that
moment.
You
may
see
them
again
the
next
week
and
we
remember
them.
We
can
start
to
build
a
relationship
there
and,
and
once
we
start
engaging
with
people
at
that
very
human
level,
it's
amazing
how
much
we
actually
have
in
common
in
the
sharing.
So
I
definitely
hear
that
there's
opportunity
for
all
of
us
to
cultivate
and
grow
these
new
relationships
right
and
and
maybe
maybe
step
out
just
a
little
bit
and
be
in
a
space
or
if
I'm
at
a
restaurant.
E
H
This
is
a
that's
a
big
question
based
off
I'm
I
was
not
going
to
raise.
Nashville
grew
up
in
the
hillcrest,
believe
it
or
not
so
become.
I
guess
you
know.
I
know
a
lot
about
the
you
know
been
in
recovery
field.
Also,
with
you
know,
people
that
that
come
from
you
know
come
from
from
nothing
and
become
come
in
and
unprogrammed
with
low
self
esteem.
H
And
then
you
see
the
daylight
come
come
in
their
eyes
when
they
they're
waking
up
from
you
know
from
from
a
big
fog
when
it
comes
to
you
know,
building
relationships
with
other
people
like
I've,
been
in
manufacturing
over
over
30
years,
and
you
know,
but
it
just
took
for
me
just
I'm
overcoming
you
know
being
being
able
to
speak
my
mind
and
you
know,
and
you
know
and
have
it
have
an
open
mind
and
plus
it
for
me,
it's
it's
always
about
the
inside
inside
work
for
me
to
have
to
work
on
me
and
then
being
able
to
to
learn
how
to
talk
to
people
and
then
and
then
understand
the
recourse
of
how
you
know
having
them
barriers
of
of
people.
H
Respecting
me.
Also
and
then
there's
still
you
know,
I
have
the
honest
conversations
in
the
same
way
like
I
said:
I've
been
out
of
work
for
11
months,
back
at
kennedy,
clark
now
and
and
sadly
just
hearing
the
you
know,
you
know
about
the
the
gas
and
you
know
the
master,
the
politics
stuff,
and
I
just
try
to
you
know
my
honest
conversation
is
you
know
it's
kind
of
smart,
so
he
wasn't
complaining
when
it
was.
You
know
always,
but
anyway
it's
it's.
H
I
H
It's
showing
some
clients
a
couple
of
my
cup
about
a
month
ago,
moving
from
arizona
to
here
to
from
the
uk
and
and
just
having
you
know.
This
is
my
first
time
ever.
You
know,
showing
even
you
know,
having
a
good
conversation
with
someone
from
another
country
unless
showing
them
about
looking
for
a
home
and
how
much
they
actually
may
love
north
carolina.
You
know,
and
I
mean
they
talked
about-
why
they
love
it.
H
Is
that
because
you
know
they
work
from
home
and
and
if
they
thought,
if
they
lose
their
work
from
home
jobs
that
this
has
on
has
an
employment
rate
that
that
they
like
and
they
can
they
plug
in
where
they
want
to.
H
And
you
know
it's
just
you
know
treating
bit
with
respect
and
you
know
having
an
open
mind
and,
like
you
said,
sharing
it,
and
you
know
talking
to
people,
you
know
and
just
having
that
you
know
communication
with
others
speaking
to
someone
with
if
they
don't
speak
or
just
trying
to
break
that
wall
down-
and
you
know
is,
is
what
I
you
know-
try
to
strive
for
plus
having
two
kids
and
trying
to
show
them
the
same
thing
of
you
know
it's
you
know
trying
to
be
example.
H
They
show
they
watch
their
father,
grow
up
and
work
hard
and-
and
I
just
try
to
pass
it
on
to
them,
and
let
them
understand
that
I'm
you
know
you
can
have
something
in
life.
You
know
by
by
doing
doing
the
right
thing
and
you
know
so
we
all
come
a
long
way,
but
there's
more
work
to
do,
but
it
starts
with
that
that
one
person,
you
know
it's
a
ripple
effect
same
way
with
them.
H
Like
I
said
when
they're
helping
others
stay
clean
and
recovery
same
way,
we
build
a
relationship
with
you
know:
people,
that's
not.
In
my
you
know
my
race
class,
but
we
all
human
and
thank
you.
E
Certainly
welcome
thank
you,
robert
and,
and
I
want
to
yes
brenda.
I'm
gonna
come
to
you
next.
I
want
to
shed
some
light
on
something
that
both
you
and
brenton
talked
about.
You
talked
about
the
fact
that
both
of
you
are
are
open
to
building
relationships
and
you're
open
to
different
experiences
in
asheville,
and
that
is
so
so
vital.
Three
three
of
the
basic
trainings
that
we
offer
with
the
city.
E
We
offer
ra
advancing
racial
equity
101,
which
is
the
prerequisite
to
201,
which
is
a
higher
level
training
around
racial
equity,
and
then
we
offer
implicit
bias
and
microaggressions,
and-
and
why
am
I
bringing
it
up
other
in
addition
to
letting
you
know
that
we
offer
these
trainings?
Is
that
all
of
our
lived
experiences?
E
I
may
not
be
as
open
as
I
thought
I
was
to
diversity
and
and
growth,
and
things
like
that,
there's
some
things
that
I
I
want
and
need
to
work
through.
So
thank
you
for
that.
Brendan.
A
You
know
different
ethnicities
and
I
think
if
we
just
lay
those
down
and
stop
approaching
people
with
what
are
they
going
to
say
how
they're
going
to
do?
I
spoke
at
a
really
great
organization
the
other
day
and
my
friend
had
asked
me
to
come,
and
I
think
one
or
two
of
the
ladies
had
asked
her
what
if
she
comes
here
and
judges
us.
So
why
would
you
assume
that
a
professional
person
would
show
up
in
a
room
who
has
a
public
job
and
shame
you
about
anything
that
you
are
doing
so?
A
Don't
have
preconceived
notions
about
people,
because
what
it
ends
up
doing
is
something
you
do
activate
something
in
someone
else.
Have
you
all
ever
heard
of
triggering
somebody?
That's
a
term
that
we've
been
using
a
lot.
You
can
trigger
something
in
somebody.
It's
you
didn't
do
it.
Something
else
happened
to
them,
but
something
you
say
or
do
being
uncomfortable.
Just
be
yourself.
A
You
know
joe,
and
I
we
just
met
what
a
couple
of
weeks
ago,
joe
joe's
good
people
right
eventually
joe
and
I
will
butt
heads
for
some
other
reason
and
if
I'm
adult
enough
and
he's
adult
enough
we're
mature
enough,
I
don't
know
either.
One
of
us
are
mature
enough.
We
will
get
to
a
certain
place
right,
give
people
some
space
and
don't
make
assumptions.
I've
gone
to
people
who
are
queer
and
say
I
don't
get
it
they're
friends
of
mine.
They
sat
me
down,
they
explained
it.
We
I
I
get
it.
A
E
Thank
you
very
much
for
that.
Thank
you
all
for
very
rich,
very
rich
conversation,
very
rich
conversation,
question
number
six
and
we're
almost
done
with
the
questions.
The
survey.
E
What
is
the
city
of
asheville
doing
well
in
terms
of
building
a
diverse,
equitable
and
inclusive
city,
and
these
are
the
written
responses,
development
of
groups
and
resources
to
help
communicate
to
the
public
of
what
they
are
going.
Excuse
me:
what
are
they
doing
to
get
in
front
of
these
issues?
Then
we
have
assembling
the
reparations
commission
and
the
last
response
was.
E
The
question
that
I
have
I'd
love
to
hear
some
responses
and
it's
a
response
to
that
that
first
response
about
the
groups,
which
groups
and
resources
when
we
take
a
look
at
the
city
of
asheville,
do,
we
think,
are
really
beneficial
to
supporting
diversity,
equity
and
inclusion,
any
particular
groups
of
resources
that
really
stand
out
to
us.
When
we
think
about
that,
I
would
say
our
office
of
equity
and
inclusion
number.
C
E
And
I'm
going
to
come
to
you
brenda.
I
saw
shannon
saying
too
joe.
It's
interesting.
You
brought
that
you
brought
that
up,
because
I
made
a
note
about
the
reparations
commission
and
I'm
curious
to
hear
what
message
or
statement
would
you
say
that
this
communicates
by
assembling
the
reparations
commission?
What
message
does
that
send?
What
does
that
communicate.
C
A
The
the
the
way
that
we're
going
to
change
these
things
is
that
the
majority
have
to
give
up
power
and
have
to
consider
how
they
are
going
to
change
things.
We
didn't
create
it.
The
majority
created
I'm
not
pointing
fingers,
but
if
systems
don't
change,
if
policies
don't
change,
if
procedures
don't
change,
you
can
have
all
the
reparations
recommendations
you
want
until
those
procedures
change
within
the
system.
That's
some
of
the
work
we'll
be
doing
within
the
city
is
looking
at
policies
and
procedures,
but
I
don't
look
at
the
policy
of
the
hospital.
A
I
keep
hearing
people
of
color
telling
me
they're
having
horrible
experiences
with
doctors
in
medical
service,
and
I
keep
hearing
about
how
it's
hard
to
get
jobs
and
things
of
that
nature
and
there's
still
favoritism,
and
so
it's
it's
not
always
the
obvious
it
would.
It
would
seem
to
be
the
majority
who
have
the
power
and
control
to
make
a
different
way
so
that
people
feel
welcome
in
a
culture
I
mean
we
can
do
all
the
recruitment
we
want
here
at
the
city
or
any
place
of
business.
A
But
have
you
created
a
culture
where
I
feel
comfortable?
Because
if
I'm
still,
you
know
as
a
female,
let's
just
get
off
race
if
I'm
a
female
and
I
come
to
work
and
people
still
sexually
harass
and
the
things
going
on
and
those
things
are
not
being
addressed.
That
is
not
a
culture
where
I'm
gonna
stay
in
work,
and
so,
when
you
know,
I
know
we're
in
a
really
difficult
time
now
trying
to
hire
staff
in
any
business.
A
Just
because
you
know,
we've
been
a
global
economy,
but
2020
said
a
lot
to
people
about
where
they
can
work
and
how
they
can
work
and
so
you're
competing
with
that,
but
you're
also
competing
with
I'm
gonna,
go
where
I'm
celebrated
and
when
I'm
not
celebrated
somewhere.
When
I
don't
feel
like
I'm
apart,
I'm
leaving
and
younger
people,
don't
that's
what
I
applaud
them,
for
they
don't
stand
around
and
wait
for
you
to
change
a
system.
Culture
takes
20
to
25
years
to
change.
A
A
Nothing
is
going
to
change
unless
people
which
we
don't
want
to
happen,
you
know
retire
die
the
you
know,
take
other
jobs,
change
things
around
leadership
changes
whatever,
but
it's
not
always
the
obvious.
It
is
not
equity's
job
to
change
equity
in
this
city.
It
is
all
of
our
job
to
change
equity
in
this
city.
E
E
Just
in
our
conversation,
in
a
short
time
today,
affordable
housing
has
come
up
several
times.
The
second
response
allocate
the
resources
needed
to
adequately
address
inequity
and
repair
harmful
legacies
of
racist
federal
state
and
local
policies.
Brenda
was
really
just
speaking
to
that
right
about.
If
we
don't
get
in
and
do
that
and
very
intentional
glaring,
difficult
work
around
changing
policies
and
procedures,
nothing
if
nothing
changes,
nothing,
changes.
E
The
third
provide
more
opportunities
for
commission
members
as
a
group
to
take
dei
training
and
have
discussions
around
those
topics
in
that
email.
That
I'll
include
with
shannon
I'll
include
those
training,
opportunities
and
links
so
that
you'll
be
made
aware
of
that.
We
have
about
11
minutes
left.
E
I
really
want
to
be
a
good
steward
of
our
time,
and
my
time
is
up
with
this
at
2
o'clock,
so
we
have
about
11
minutes.
We
had
some
homework
that
was
assigned
to
all
of
us
to
kind
of
look
over
some
documents
that
were
several
really
great
videos.
There
were
several
case
studies
and
what
I
wanted
to
do
was
in
the
the
10
11
minutes
that
we
have.
E
I
wanted
to
reference
two
of
the
pieces
of
homework
and
I
have
a
question
for
each
of
them
that
I'd
love
to
hear
some
feedback
on
one
of
the
resources
that
shannon
provide
ford
provided
for
us
was
that
the
document
on
it
was
called
redlined
a
legacy
of
housing
discrimination
and
in
that
video
it
mentioned-
and
this
was
some
10
plus
years
ago,
the
gap
between
black
and
white
ownership,
black
home
ownership
and
white
home
ownership
is
about
30
percentage
points
that
was
over
a
decade
ago.
It's
only
gotten
worse
since
then.
E
What
I
would
really
love
to
hear
from
the
commission
in
the
panel
here?
How
would
you
describe
the
impact
that
redlining
has
on
our
asheville
community?
How
would
you
describe
that.
E
F
Hey
thanks
for
bringing
that
up
yeah.
I
really
like
that
video
and
I
mean
that's
one
of
the
big
reasons
I
I
wanted
to
join.
The
planning
commission
committee
I
mean
homeownership
is
a
method
for
any
race,
religion,
ethnicity,
gender,
to
move
themselves
to
higher
socioeconomic
classes.
I
mean
we've
just
seen
it
throughout
the
history
of
the
american,
the
american
story
about
that,
and
I
think
that's
not
only
for
african
americans,
it's
for
the
latino
community
as
well,
and
I'm
sorry
to
keep
beating
that
drum.
I
just
you
know.
F
I
feel
like
that.
That's
a
community
too,
who
you
know
they
want
the
same
things
we
want.
We
they
want
a
safe
neighborhood,
a
house
they
can
afford
and
a
job
that'll
pay
them,
but
it
it's
a
way
that
discrimination
has
happened
subtly
or
not.
No,
not
overtly.
You
know
that
certain
people
can
get
the
loans
or
get
the
the
tools
to
move
forward
and
get
that.
But
it's
a
way
to
transfer
wealth
to
your
kids.
F
It's
a
way
to
transfer
money
to
your
kids,
and
you
know
give
that
three
or
four
generations
that
snowball
is
pretty
quick,
and
so
it's
upsetting
to
see
when
you
know
we're
not
giving
those
starts.
F
You
know
I
can't
say
we
can
fix
the
whole
problem
now,
but
we
got
to
give
them
the
start
now
to
do
it
and
three
or
four
generations
later
it'll,
snowball
and
they'll
have
that
kind
of
generational
security
and
wealth
that's
being
passed
on
to
them
like
I
was
getting
you
know.
So
I
really
I
really
like
that
video.
I
appreciate
that
very
much.
E
You
certainly
welcome
brenton
and
really
appreciate
your
share
around
that,
because
that
video
really
talked
about
how
not
only
how
is
generated
generation
of
wealth
accumulated
by
how
it
was
passed
down
and
the
primary
means
was
through
home
ownership,
and
we
saw
in
that
video
how
there
were
very
intentional
policies,
put
into
place
to
prevent
all
people
of
color
from
being
able
to
own
a
home
and
that
they
were
placed
in
a
specific
area
and
it
not
only
affected
generational
wealth,
but
it
also
affected
their
health
and
their
well-being,
their
performance
in
school.
E
Any
other
shares
jeffrey.
L
Yeah,
I
appreciate
that
you
know
the
redlining
discussion
and
the
resources
that
were
shared
with
us.
It's
hard
to
underestimate
the
impacts
of
redlining.
I
I
think
that
you
could.
L
You
could
tally
up
the
the
level
of
wealth
loss,
but
just
the
ripple
effects
are
tremendous
and-
and
you
know
just
to
share
my
own
experience-
I
came
to
asheville
nine
years
ago
with
not
much
money
but
with
white
privilege
and
supportive
parents,
and
eight
years
ago
was
able
to
buy
a
very
modest
house.
L
That's
my
toe
hold
and
that
will
be.
You
know
a
source
of
wealth
for
my
kids.
That
opportunity
was,
you
know,
not
available
to
local
residents
of
color,
whose
family,
generational
wealth
had
not
left
them
in
a
position
to
have
parental
help
for
a
down
payment.
So
I
think
that
you
know
brenda
really
said
it
better
than
anyone
in
one
of
the
last
comments
you
made,
but
it's
not
equity's
job
to
fix
inequity
and
we
have
to
have
the
really
uncomfortable
conversation
around.
L
L
That's
that's
where
it
starts
to,
I
think,
get
uncomfortable
for
society
and
and
for
the
systems
that
we
had
that
were
built.
You
know
largely
around
redlining.
E
Really
really
appreciate
that
share
jeffrey
and
I
see
your
hand
robert,
I'm
gonna,
get
to
you
as
well,
in
addition
to
what
you
just
said,
jeffrey
about
how
being
positioned
to
be
able
to
purchase
a
home
and
pass
that
on
to
your
to
your
generation.
E
What
that
video
did
was
it
really
spoke
to
how
many
times
the
thought
is?
Is
that
I
got
this
on
my
own
that,
because
my
parents
worked
hard
that
they
worked
hard
and
they
earned
this,
and
they
positioned
me
for
this,
but
the
truth
of
the
matter
is.
The
government
was
very
intentional
about
creating
this
reality
in
in
these
worlds,
and
once
we
really
acknowledge
that,
and
once
we
really
make
a
firm
commitment
to
undo
this
harm
and
and
create
equity
for
other
people,
we
can
start
to
create
change.
E
I'd
like
to
share
one
thing
is
that
one
thing
we've
identified
here
in
asheville
is
that
the
red
line
areas
right
now
in
asheville
that
we
face
again
based
on
decisions
from
the
government
from
years
ago.
Those
same
red
line
areas
are
the
areas
that
are
most
acceptable
to
climate
injustice
right
now:
flooding
and
drought.
H
Hey,
I
mean
yeah,
that
was
a
pretty
touching
video
and
I
mean
the
ripple
effect
is,
you
know,
talked
about
it's.
You
know
50
100
years
down
the
road
it
possibly
can
be.
I
repair,
but
I
mean
it
starts
with
with
the
individual
and
I
guess
the
the
ones
that
I
mean
in
the
city
that
has
the
power
to
you,
know
the
stuff
behind
closed
doors,
either
get
off
behind
closed
doors
whatever
that
may
be.
H
But,
like
I
said
my
my
group
in
ashfield,
I
guess
I'm
you
would
say
the
the
one
that
you
know
climbed
out
a
little
bit
one
hillcrest
and
my
mother,
you
know
raised
us.
She
died
when
I
was
21.
You
know,
and
you
know,
got
my
little
trouble
and
didn't
end
up
getting
straightened
out
at
23
years
old
and
you
know,
but
you
know
I
I
you
know
worked
at.
You
know
gerber
13
12
years
and
then
19
o'clock,
20
years
and
I
end
up.
H
You
know
rented
for
10
years.
I
just
you
know
you
know
getting
the
self-esteem
getting
my
you
know
self.
In
order
and
getting
you
know
the
job
and
being
able
to
afford
this
and
that
and
then
work
on
the
credit
and
just
them
steps
that
that
I
had
to
get
educated
with,
but
you
know,
purchased
the
house
in
2013
ready
for
10
years,
but
personal
house,
my
first
house
in
2013
and
you
know,
sold
it
to
investors
and
now
have
you
know
five.
Four
years
later,
I
have
two
new
constructions.
H
You
know
10
minutes
walking
distance,
downtown
asheville,
not
here
to
brag,
but
I'm
you
know
you
know
not
the
normal
one.
That
would
probably
I
guess,
razer
nashville,
that
that
would
have
that,
but
I
think
it's
still
hope
for
others
to
to
have
that
so
being
in
the
real
estate.
H
Not
just
I
try
to
you
know,
help
whoever
that
wants
to
get
out
of
the
the
rental
spot,
and
then
I
guess
the
red
line
is
just
something
that
you
know
that
is,
you
know
was
in
place,
hasn't
been
in
place,
but
I
think
it's
still,
you
know
there's
always
hope
and
change,
and
it
always
says
that
a
new
idea
can't
be
grafted
into
a
closed
mind.
H
H
You
know
talk
about
their
credit
talk
about
how
they
can
become
a
homeowner
and
getting
that
their
self-esteem
and
unlocking
that
that
mindset
of
the
of
the
rat
race
have
always
happened
to.
H
Burn
that
money
up
but
affordability
pieces
is
still
something
too,
but
it's
it's
still
all
possible.
O
But
it's
it's
just
the
education
is
is
important
too.
Thank
you.
E
Appreciate
that
robin
and
and
one
and
I
saw
your
hand
joe
and
I'm
coming
to
you
next,
I
definitely
heard
resilience
in
in
your
in
your
share
robert,
because
you
have
a
unique
perspective
being
from
asheville
having
lived
here,
and
there
were
some
obstacles
that
were
clearly
placing
your
path
that
prevent
you
from
being
where
you
are,
but
that
resilience
and
you
don't
live
the
experience
to
push
through
that
you're
in
a
position
to
also
share
that
with
others.
E
And
it
sounds
like
you're
willing
and
thank
you
for
that
really
appreciate
that
share
joe.
C
And
I
I
will
say
I
appreciate
that
robert
as
well
it
tees
in
to
to
the
comment
I
was
gonna
make.
You
know,
I
think
one
of
the
the
issues
of
redlining
that
maybe.
Q
C
Overlooked
at
least
initially,
you
know,
there's
the
there's,
the
actual
impact
to
people
being
able
to
buy
a
house
in
the
generational
wealth.
But
it's
something
that
came
up
that
that
you
mentioned
marcus
about.
You,
know
health
and
then
even
you
know
physical
health
in
in
the
fact
that
red-lined
areas
typically
were
in
more
industrial
areas.
So
there's
that
physical,
you
know
harm
to
physical
health,
but
even
mental
health,
and
and
that's
why
I
think
robert's
comment
was
great,
because
it
is
that
you
know
these
systems
are
against
me.
C
I'm
not
able
to
buy
something,
and
so
then
that
gets
perpetuated
over
time
and
even
passed
down
through
generations,
and
so
it
does
take
that
it
takes.
D
C
I
think
you
know
when,
when
people
have
been
marginalized
in
that
way
and
take
it
internally
mentally
internally
and
then
to
overcome
that
so
it
it
does
feel
like
it's
a
a
big
hurdle
on
that
aspect,
as
well
as
just
the
other
physical
institutional
policies
that
need
to
change
as
well.
E
You
know
what
thank
you
thank
you
for
that,
joe
and
in
one
of
the
videos
there
was
a
doctor
who
talked
about
the
he
went
into
depth,
talking
about
the
mental
health
and
the
overall,
the
blood
pressure
making
you
more
susceptible
to
the
heart
disease,
and
things
like
that.
So
there
are
real,
tangible
quality
of
life
impacts
that
sometimes
we
don't
typically
think
about,
but
certainly
play
out
in
our
communities.
E
I
want
to
make
sure
I
acknowledge
them
janice
and
then
robert.
T
T
T
But
lately
there
have
been
a
lot
of
wonderful
pieces
on
npr
they're,
not
that
how
this
is
still
continuing,
and
I
always
find
it
helps
me
with
my
understanding
of
diversity
and
equity
when
I
think
maybe
we're
on
a
more
even
playing
field
than
than
we
actually
are.
When
I
hear
people's
actual
stories,
for
example,
one
of
the
most
recent
stories
was
that
story
of
a
a
woman,
a
black
woman
trying
to
sell
her
home
in
a
gentrifying
neighborhood.
T
She
kept
getting
offers
that
were
well
below
what
it
was
worth.
She
ended
up
having
a
white
friend
of
hers
pose
as
the
property
owner
she
took
out.
All
her
family
photos
everything
from
her
place
that
would
identify
it
as
a
home
of
a
black
person
and
then
being
sold
as
a
white
person.
All
of
a
sudden,
all
these
offers
came
in
that's
something
that
happened
within
this
past
year
and
I
was
like
what
you
do.
T
Nice
middle
income-
neighborhood,
you
may
be-
you
know
yes,
gentrifying
woman
who's
lived
there
and
and
wanted
to
sell,
and
yet
this
happened
to
her.
So
that
was
that
was
one
recent
story
and
then
npr
also
did
a
story
last
year
where
they
did
to.
I
think
it
was
a
lawyer,
a
young
african-american
lawyer.
T
So
all
of
this
continues,
and
so
I
just
it's
it's
it's
I
think
jeffrey
said
it's.
We
have
to
have
the
uncomfortable
conversations.
We
have
to
hear
people's
stories
because
if,
if
we
don't,
we
might
just
think
well
that
was
history.
And
yes,
it's
contributed
to
the
wealth
gap,
but
it's
happening
now
and
it
happens
to
people
that,
but
for
the
you
know
the
color
of
your
skin.
That's
the
difference.
The
middle
class
same
education,
but
they're
being
treated
people
are
being
treated
differently.
T
So
I
just
wanted
to
to
mention
that
and
it'd
be
interesting.
If
I
don't
know,
maybe
we
take
on
a
local
project
to
say,
let
us
hear
your
stories
of
how
what
you're
experiencing
now
in
the
community
when
you
go
to
try
to
find
a
buy
a
house.
Yes,
it
is
unaffordable
for
everybody
now,
but
are
there
these
other
situations
happening.
E
I
really
really
appreciate
that
janice
and
in
one
of
the
videos,
because
there
were
maybe
three
or
four
back
in
the
60s
70s
and
before
that
was
a
term
called
blockbustering,
where
real
estate
agents
and
those
in
the
in
the
money
part
to
make
the
money
would
use
very
similar
tactics
to
what
you
described
that
are
happening
current
day
in
2022
right
and
when
we
hear
about
these
stories,
when
we
realize
that
that's
really
not
history
behind
us
that
some
of
these
practices
are
still
alive
and
well.
E
E
E
Thank
you
very
much,
shannon.
B
In
thinking
along
the
lines
of
what
can
I
do,
I
mean
I
have
a
small
confession
to
make.
I
think
I
first
saw
that
video
or
something
similar
to
it,
maybe
three
years
ago,
so
I've
been
in
the
field
of
urban
planning
for
almost
25
years
in
local
government
for
19
years,
and
I
just
became
aware
of
this
practice
three
four
years
ago
I
mean
it.
It
blew
my
mind
and
I
feel
I've
spent
a
fair
amount
of
time
processing
this
like.
B
B
E
Shannon
really
glad
that
you
shared
that
really
glad
you
shared
that,
because
one
thing
is
true
for
all
of
us
once
we
see
something
we
can
never
unsee
it
once
we
see
it,
we
cannot
unsee
it
so
once
you
saw
that
there
was
something
within
you
shannon.
That
said,
I'm
going
to
share
this
with
my
family
members,
I'm
going
to
share
this
with
my
children,
and
that
is
very
actually
very
impactful.
I
think
it
was
jeffrey
who
talked
about
hey,
listen.
E
My
parents
were
in
a
position
to
be
able
to
offer
me
this,
but
I
also
know
that
this
is
not
available
to
everyone,
so
you
could
hear
his
conviction
coming
up
saying
that
this
should
be
available
to
everyone
and
whatever
I
can
do
to
pass
that
along.
I
want
I
want
to
do
that.
You
heard
it
and
janice
talking
about
saying,
listen.
Maybe
we
can
start
having
real-time
conversations.
E
E
One
last
share
before
I
turn
it
back
over
to
shannon
really
appreciate
you
all
the
the
other
resource.
I
just
wanted
to
present
a
question
around
the
article
shannon
provided
it
was
called
bringing
equity
to
the
forefront
of
urban
planning,
and
this
is
an
article
written
by
benjamin
schneider
dated
october
22nd
2019.
E
I
just
want
to
read
a
small
quote
in
this
passage
and
then
offer
my
question
again.
This
is
2019
and
let's
see
how
much
of
this
sounds
familiar
to
asheville
today,
the
word
equity
appears
on
nearly
every
urban
planning
document,
but
in
an
era
where
cities
are
defined
by
skyrocketing
housing
costs,
extreme
inequality
and
gentrification
and
climate
events
that
disproportionately
affect
the
poor.
E
J
J
Means
I
got
to
be
a
member
of
that,
which
means
I
was
able
to
like
get
a
down
payment,
but
like
not
put
any
money
down,
so
they
would
get
like
a
first-time
homebuyer's
credit.
For
that,
like
I
did.
I
didn't
know
anything
about
that.
J
Like
my
brother
told
me
that
so
like
making
more
people
aware
of
things
like
that,
and
then
like,
I
was
in
a
lot
of
credit
card
debt
from
like
just
being
stupid
in
my
20s,
and
so
I
took
a
class
like
through
united
way
and
wnc,
and
you
know
but
like
just
making
people
aware
of
things
like
that
and
the
classes
that
are
out
there
to
help
them.
You
know
we
may
not
necessarily
like
need
another
class.
We
just
need
to
let
people
know
what's
already
out
there.
J
You
know
just
like
taking
that
class
learning
to
budget
properly
things
that
I
should
have
learned
in
college,
but
that
they
didn't
teach
you
in
college
can
maybe
make
somebody's
life
completely
different,
and
you
know
help
them
to
budget
a
little
bit
better,
not
go
out,
spend
all
their
money
on
beer
at
the
brewery
and
then
buy
a
house.
J
So
those
are
things
that
I
think
that
we
could
be
offering
to
people
that
may
not
be
they
just
aren't
aware
of.
What's
going
on,
they're,
not
aware
that
we
have
these
things
in
the
community.
E
And
jennifer
appreciate
that
I
heard
you
talking
about
how,
in
your
personal
experience,
you
actually
were
given
information
around
financial
steps
to
take
to
help
you
in
your
situation
right
and
you
were
educated
so
for
us
to
be
able
to
offer
classes
and
just
br
helping
people
become
aware
of.
What's
possible
is
one
solution.
E
One
thing
that
we
won't
be
able
to
answer
here
collectively
today,
but
relates
to
your
share,
is
not
only
were
you
given
information,
but
it
also
required
jennifer
to
take
some
steps.
There
were
some
things
that
jennifer
actually
had
to
do
some
actionable
steps
to
make
that
possible
and
in
many
situations
there
are
many
barriers
built
around
being
able
to
actually
take.
The
step
may
be
able
to
offer
the
class,
but
there's
so
many
barriers
around
the
steps.
It
could
be
child
care.
E
It
could
be
transportation,
it
could
be
technology
barriers
not
having
access
to
a
laptop
computer.
So
in
addition
to
educating
and
offering
it's
also
taking
us
taking
a
look
at
what
are
some
barriers
that
may
prevent
people
from
being
able
to
engage
and
participate,
but
thank
you
very
much
for
that
and
joe.
C
Yeah
I
just
I
wanted
to
share
one
that
that
came
up.
I
was
listening
to
the
affordable
housing
committee
meeting
before
this,
and
and
they've
always
had
some
really
good
discussions
around
trying
to
come
up
with.
You
know
what
are
some
concrete
ways
to
affect
some
policy
changes
to
assist
people.
C
You
know
really
the
lower
lower
income
levels
either
get
housing
or
stay
in
housing
and
one
of
the
ones
there
was
someone
with
the
the
city
permit
office
was
talking
about
some
regulations
related
to
mobile
homes
and
mobile
home
lots,
and-
and
you
know,
when
they
sit
vacant
for
a
while,
then
they
can't
really
be
reused
as
that
and
it
it
really
got
down
to
the
point
where
this
is
a
really
small,
seemingly
small
thing
that
could
get
changed.
That
could
have
a
really
big
impact.
C
D
C
Step
it
is
a
house,
it
is
a
way
for
someone
to
you
know,
feel
more
secure
feel
better
about
themselves.
You
know
start
to
build
your
family
and
even
community,
because
a
lot
of
these
you
know,
mobile
home
manufactured
housing
parks
are
a
community,
and
so
it's
it's
like
here's
one,
probably
really
concrete
thing
that
may
not
take
a
lot
that
could
have
a
really
really
like
ripple
effect
change.
So.
E
Joe
one
question
around
that
with
regards
to
the
landscape
in
asheville:
do
we
see
that
happening
a
lot
or
the
opportunity
for
that
to
to
be
creating.
C
I
mean
I
would
say
that
there's
definitely
pressure
on
those
existing
land
uses
that
that
are,
you
know
that
have
historically
been
used
for
those
mobile
home
manufactured
home
parks,
and-
and
so
I
think
it's
one
of
those
it
gets
to
be.
A
displacement
issue,
I
think,
is
what
it
is
like.
Is
there
some
way
we
can
solve
by
a
by
a
simple
change
these
types
of
how
this
type
of
housing
being
displaced.
C
By
something
else,
which
then
is
not
attainable
to
a
certain
group
of
people,
you
know:
does
it
provide
this
by
by
being
able
to
maintain
that
that
housing
choice
does
that
keep
this
group
of
people
there,
that
does
it
help
them?
Does
it
continue
to
foster
that
community
and
again,
just
continue
to
be
that
that
step
in
their
process
in
their
life.
E
I
see
I
see
makes
sense.
I
appreciate
that.
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
at
this
point.
Those
were
my
questions.
Your
responses
are
so
valued.
I
appreciate
your
engagement,
your
participation.
I
encourage
us
to
spend
some
more
time
with
some
of
those
other
resources,
because
those
videos
were
incredible.
C
B
Do
a
quick
check
in
how
is
everybody
failing?
Do
you
need
a
a
short
just
a
comfort
break,
or
do
you
want
to
roll
into
the
next
presentation.
P
C
B
Okay,
so
let's
meet
back
here
in
about
10
minutes,
so
12
or
228-ish
all
right
guys
see
you
in
a
bit.
B
B
B
B
C
C
C
C
C
C
D
K
Hey
everyone,
just
a
quick
word
before
sasha
presents
on
kind
of
a
historical
look
at
asheville
from
a
land
use
and
zoning
perspective.
I
just
wanted
to
let
you
know.
K
Let
you
all
know
that
this
is
kind
of
a
kind
of
a
work
in
progress
for
us
data
and
information
is
as
part
of
this
presentation
is
something
we've
been
trying
to
collect
over
the
past
few
months
and
just
based
on
our
own
kind
of
knowledge,
and
I
think
this
is
a
good
kind
of
first
step
to
kind
of
look
at
historically
how
land
use
and
zoning
has
worked
in
nashville
and
impacted
folks
within
the
community,
but
again
we're
just
scratching
the
surface.
K
P
P
P
C
Thanks
again,
marcus
for
for
all
your
work,
facilitating
us
through
those
questions,
I
think
that's
really
helpful.
You
know
I
wanted
to.
I
meant
to
make
a
comment
about
one
of
the
things
that
vadilla
mentioned
about
being
daring
and
and
kind
of
having
some
of
these
conversations,
and
so
I
just
I
again
want
to
appreciate
everybody
who's
who's
here
and
and
being.
D
C
P
Thanks
thanks
joe,
so
as
todd
said,
this
is
really
a
work
in
progress.
It's
actually
been
a
little
bit
more
than
months.
I've
been
doing
some
of
this
research
for
the
last
two
or
three
years
and
slowly
kind
of
you
know
accumulating
data.
So,
let's
dive
in
so
first
I
want
to
acknowledge.
You
know
that
we
are
in
the
land
we're
on
here.
The
ancestral
land
of
the
katua,
also
known
as
the
cherokee.
This
land
was
acquired
through
violence,
oppression
and
broken
treaties.
P
And
I
don't
know
if
any
of
you
all
know
this,
but
the
register
of
deeds
has
put
together
an
amazing
story
map
that
really
explains
how
buncombe
county
was
formed
through
this
series
of
broken
treaties,
which
is
a
it's
a
really
great
resource
for
us.
C
P
So
just
to
put
us
in
context
as
a
reminder
when
we
we're
going
to
talk
about
asheville's
history,
but
asheville
didn't
always
look
the
way
asheville
does
on
a
map
right.
So
this
is
an
annexation
map
that
shows
how
over
time
asheville
expanded.
P
So
it's
something
that
I
even
forget
as
a
planner
but
like
so,
for
instance,
you
know
1833,
we
were
this
small
red
circle
and
then
you
know
18
something
I
can't
even
see
it,
but
you
know
1887
and
then
you
know
west
asheville
came
in
in
1917,
but
a
lot
of
chunks
of
our
city
didn't
come
in
until
the
60s
or
later
so
I'm
going
to
talk
about
city
things,
but
I'm
not.
P
P
Sorry
so,
first
racially
restrictive,
covenants
and
jeffrey
put
that
link
in
the
chat.
Thank
you.
So
racially
restrictive
covenants
were
a
widespread
practice
throughout
the
us
as
a
way
to
enforce
segregation.
So
what
I
don't
have
here's?
What
I
don't
know
is
what
was
happening
before
this
started
going
on,
obviously-
or
I
believe
that
you
know-
asheville
was
a
pretty
segregated
city
and
those
things
were
probably
enforced
in
some
shape
former
manner.
P
We
do
know
that
coming
on
a
national
level
wording
varied
dependent
on
where
you
are
like.
If
you
were
in
oregon,
there
was
very
specific
words
word
and
used
about
turkish
people
or
are
turkic
or
semitic
or
asian
those
kinds
of
things
and
I'll
show
you
an
example.
In
just
a
minute.
In
1948,
the
supreme
court
ruled
that
these
covenants
weren't
enforceable,
which
is
a
little
bit
different
than
saying
they're,
just
completely
illegal
right.
P
I
mean
it's
kind
of
a
it's
one
way
of
saying
it,
but
we
do
know
that
the
practice
did
still
continue
in
some
places.
It
wasn't
really
until
1968
that
the
fair
housing
act
made
these
just
explicitly
illegal
and
in
asheville
from
what
I've
seen
and
I
they
may
appear
earlier.
I
haven't
seen
any,
but
a
lot
of
these
restrictive
covenants
came
about
in
the
1920s.
P
Asheville
was
experiencing
a
huge
time
of
growth
and
there
aren't
a
lot
of
deeds
around
so,
like
I
said,
we're
not
sure
what
happened
before
these
kind
of
d
things
were
in
place.
We
didn't
have
zoning
until
1948..
P
In
some
places
they
had
racialized,
what's
called
racial
based
zoning,
so
zoning
would
literally
say
only
white
people
can
live
in
this
zone,
but
that
got
struck
down
in
1911.
So
we
never
had
that,
but
I
strongly
suspect
there
were
other
things
going
on
that
was
enforcing
segregation,
so
here's
an
example
from
a
west
asheville
deed
and
it
says
upon
conveyance
or
transfer
of
the
above
lot
or
lots
to
any
person
of
color
by
second
parties.
P
There
are
heirs
and
assigns
this
conveyance
shall
become
null
and
void
and
the
said
lot
or
lots
shall
immediately
revert
to
the
first
parties
their
ears
and
assigns
so
that
was
just
super
clear.
Obviously,
these
these
restrictions
are
still
on
those
kind
of
original
deeds
and
they're,
not
legal
and
they're,
not
enforced,
but
there
are
in
in
minneapolis
st
paul
they've
done
a
really
big
project.
They've
mapped
these
deeds
all
over
the
city
and
they're
actually
have
started
a
process.
P
P
How
risky
is
a
loan
to
a
particular
neighborhood
like
to
lend
for
a
house
or
a
business,
and
so
they,
you
know,
categorize
different
neighborhoods,
you
know
in
part
or
maybe
mostly
probably
due
to
income
race,
ethnic
makeup
and
often
you
know
they
typically
had
concentrations
of
black
residents
or
people
of
color.
So
this
is
the
red
lining
map
for
asheville.
It's
from
1934.
P
Interestingly,
there's
not
very
much
green,
it's
kind
of
limited
green
being
the
quote.
Unquote
best
area,
blue
and
yellow
the
majority
of
the
city
is
yellow
and
then
red
lining
so
and
then
a
lot
of
some
places-
and
I
I
I'm
jumping
ahead
a
little
bit
here,
but
some
places
have
linked
kind
of
data,
current
data
to
these
maps
and
just
looking
at
the
patterns
and
how
this
really
affected
people
for
generations.
P
In
case
you've
never
seen
this
before
this
is
kind
of
a
rating
card
and
what
it
would
look
like
so-
and
this
is
one
from
asheville
you
can
see-
you
know
they're
saying
75
african-americans,
that's
probably
the
main
reason
this
got
redline,
redlined,
yeah
so
and
then,
and
I'm
going
kind
of
fast.
If
I,
if
I
somebody
raise
your
hand
or
tell
me
if
I
need
to
slow
down
or
if
you
have
a
question-
that's
fine,
then
we
kind
of
come
to
the
period
of
urban
renewal.
P
Urban
renewal
was
a
a
movement
that
really
happened
all
across
the
country.
It
happened
in
some
really
big
cities
very
early
on
in
the
1950s
like
chicago
and
some
of
those
bigger
cities.
P
P
Actually,
let
me
take
that
back
because
I
always
forget
the
civic
redevelopment
project
was
actually
in
the
50s
and
if
a
civic
redevelopment
project,
if
you
ever
just
walk
over,
go
over
to
woodfin
street
over
here
and
the
yw
and
the
hotel
and
the
health,
it's
not
the
health
department
anymore,
but
the
big
county
complex.
That
is
the
civic
redevelopment
area.
It
left
first
baptist
church,
but
those
were
all
there
was
a
lot
of
homes
there.
P
If
you
go
to
the
y
m
in
their
parking
lot,
there's
a
tiny
little
plaque.
That
says
this
was
the
birthplace
of
thomas
wolfe,
so
the
house
that
he
was
born
in
was
also
demolished,
so
that
was
it
was
a
majority
white
neighborhood.
It
was
before
you
know,
240
was
there
and
it
kind
of
just
continued
up
to.
You
know
that
that
part
of
north
central
asheville-
and
it
was
pretty
massive.
P
The
next
one
was
east
riverside
development
redevelopment,
which
was
also
known
as
southside,
and
it
was
the
largest
urban
renewal
project
in
the
southeast
and
there's
been
a
lot
of
documentation
happening
and
I've
provided
some
links
in
this
presentation.
For
you,
east
end
valley
street
was
the
next
one
and
then
montford
was
a
little
bit
later
kind
of
late,
80s
also
pack
square,
and
it's
really.
It
was
called
pac
plaza
project
and
the
wall
street
project.
Those
were
also
done
kind
of
under
the
same
rules
and
regs
as
urban
renewal.
P
We
don't
think
of
them
as
urban
renewal.
They
were,
you
know
pretty
much
commercial
area
redevelopments,
they
did
displace
some
businesses.
There
was
eminent
domain,
you
know
used,
but
so
they're,
but
they
didn't
impact
the
same
populations
right.
So
it's
a
it's
a
very
a
little
bit
different
thing.
P
P
You
know
the
monford
recreation
center
actually
involved
buying
up
folks
homes
before
the
urban
renewal
project.
So
in
the
late
70s
there
were
a
number
of
homes
bought
up
and
there's
a
group
in
montford
that
have
an
awesome
website
and
I've
included
it
here.
P
They're
doing
a
bunch
of
research
on
who
you
know
who
is
affected
by
that
I-26i
240,
obviously
impacted
the
burton
street
neighborhood
south
charlotte
valley
street
part
of
that
was
you
know
that
happened
at
the
same
time
as
the
east
and
valley
street
project,
but
at
the
same
times
it
was
maybe
it's
different
funding.
P
So
you
know
when
you
start
researching
this
there
things
are
in
different
layers,
but
and
not
all
south
charlotte
street
was
in
the
redevelopment
area,
but
you
know
dot
did
that
project
and
it
affected
a
lot
of
people
and
renamed
the
street
which
people
weren't
thrilled
with
either
obviously
for
good
reason-
and
you
know
our
latest
one
was
river
arts-
you
know
the
rad
tip
project.
P
P
Anymore,
rad
tip
was,
you
know,
mostly
commercial
area,
and
you
know
some
of
the
buildings
we
did
take
down
were
in
the
floodway
and
kind
of
in
harm's
way
from
a
climate
perspective,
and
so
I
just
have
a
note
here
at
the
bottom
that
this
is
not
necessarily
exhaustive
list
and
these
projects
impacted
people
differently
depending
on
who
is
being
impacted
and
if
they
were
kind
of
you
know
if
you're
facing
systemic
racism-
and
you
know
and
it's
hard
to
get
a
loan,
then
it's
it's
different
than
if
it's
a
different
neighborhood,
where
people
don't
have
those
same
barriers.
P
So
just
this
is
just
a
map
of
the
three
urban
renewal
projects
that
affected
african-american
neighborhoods.
This
is
what
people
think
of
mostly
nashville.
When
we
talk
about
urban
renewal
by
the
time
the
city
got
to
the
montford
project,
the
emphasis
turned
from
tearing
things
down
to
rehab,
so
there
were
a
lot
of
home
rehabs
that
happened
in
that
project
and
it's
not
to
say
that
there
weren't
some
bad
impacts
there,
but
the
city
didn't
do
the
same.
Dramatic
changes
that
happened
in
the
south
side
project
east
riverside.
P
And
we
have
so.
I
just
put
these
resources
in
for
you.
We,
you
know
we
did
this
urban
renewal
and
city
owned
property
story
map,
because
one
of
the
questions
has
come
up
is
like
what
property
does
the
city
have
and
did
it
come
from
urban
renewal
and
that
data
and
information
is
being
fed
into
the
reparations
process
for
that
commissions,
exploration
and
discussion?
P
P
So
anything
before
I
move
on
trying
not
to
go
too
fast,
but
not
bore
you,
okay,
zoning.
So
our
first
zoning
ordinance
was
passed
in
1948.
P
You
all
were
created
in
1974..
I
thought
you
might
enjoy,
knowing
that
and
in
the
kind
of
80s
90s
we
had
five
residential
zoning
districts
r1
through
r5,
so
r1
being
single
family
and
r5
actually
allowed
mobile
homes,
and
it
seems
to
me
from
examining
it
that
r1
was
really
the
single
the
s,
the
rs
of
our
time.
You
know
and
the
rest
of
them
seem
to
have
allowed.
P
You
know
some
duplexes
or
you
know
some
multi-family
and
it
really
seemed
to
be
dictated
by
lot
size
and
density,
so
they
relied
on
those
two
things
versus
an
rsrm
kind
of
thing.
Besides
the
r1
district
accessory
dwelling
units
were
allowed,
but
were
much
more
limited
and
we
had
a
mountain
ridge
protection
ordinance
that
came
in
you
know,
1983.
P
I
don't
know
if
shannon
knows,
but
we
had
an
extratorial
jurisdiction,
which
was
a
mile
around
no
half
mile,
I
think
around
the
city
border,
and
so
we
had
a
much
greater
area
of
zoning
and
when
we've
looked
at
the
maps
it
you
know,
we
lost
a
lot
of
that
r5
area
where
there's
a
lot
of
mobile
homes
like
an
emma
or
maybe
even
around
chun's
cove.
P
P
R
Yeah,
I
just
want
to
chime
in
with
a
little
anecdote,
and
I
think
in
the
earliest
zoning
that
we
have
they,
we
didn't
call
them
accessory
dwelling
units.
What
I
recall
from
the
earliest
notes
is
that
they
were
called
servants
quarters.
P
P
So
yeah,
so
we've
done
a
lot
of
revisions
since,
since
we've
had
the
udo,
so
I'm
just
going
to
step
back
a
little
bit
and
show
you
so
this
is
pre-udl
zoning
in
west
ashland.
I
just
picked
west
asheville
because
it's
kind
of
a
nice
rectangular
shape
the
majority
of
west
asheville
was
zoned
r3.
P
P
P
We
don't
really
have
that
strong
correlation
here
in
asheville,
like
you
can't
draw
a
straight
line,
so
some
of
our
neighborhoods
that
were
multi
allowed
multi-family
then
changed
to
single
family
in
the
late
90s.
So
it's
a
little
bit
different.
We
don't
have
that
now,
it's
not
to
say
that
if
we
kind
of
mapped
racially
restrictive
covenants,
we
might
be
able
to
find
a
correlation
or
statistical.
You
know
something
of
significance
between
that
and
where
the
rs
districts
are
and
what
another
thing
we
don't
know
here
is
exactly
why
these
changes
were
made.
P
It's
it's
interesting
because
I
don't
I
I
live
over
here
in
this
kind
of
rma
area
around
here
at
the
herring
school
and
I
don't
think
the
character
of
that
area.
Is
that
much
different
than
say
vermont
avenue
over
here
in
the
rs.
They
seem
pretty
similar
to
me,
so
I'm
not
sure
if
neighborhoods
were
also
kind
of
advocating
and
asking
for
single-family
zoning
at
that
time.
P
P
P
P
These
are
some
other
mapping
of
racial
covenants
in
minneapolis
and
dc,
and
you
know,
equity
and
anti-displacement.
Work
is
starting
to
happen
in
other
cities,
so
there's
there's
tons
of
material
out
there
for
consideration,
but
obviously
we
need
to
fit
it
to
our
own
context
and,
as
joe
mentioned
before,
one
of
the
conversations
we're
starting
to
have
around
manufactured
housing
and
zoning,
and
how
does
that
fit
in?
And
should
we
be
changing
our
zoning
to
allow
more
of
that
city
on
land
and
affordable
housing?
P
This
rsrm
thing
is
kind
of
an
interesting
question,
but
it
could
be.
You
know
there
are
some
african-american
neighborhoods
who
have
said
to
staff.
We
do
not
want
you
to
change
our
rs
donating.
So
just
it's
not
a
simple
answer.
I
just
want
to
be
super
clear
about
that
incentives,
neighborhood
stabilization
and
including
equity
and
project
evaluations,
which
I
think
shannon
will
talk
a
little
bit
about
next
and
then,
of
course,
reparations,
and
how
does
all
of
this
fit
into
reparations?
P
What
changes
should
we
be
making
just?
Lastly,
just
a
few
thoughts,
I
think
it's
important
to
understand
how
our
history
correlates
to
our
current
position
and
how?
How
did
we
get
here
right
and
that
there's.
E
P
Silver
bullets
and
that
when
we
start
considering
changes
fully
understanding
the
impacts,
it's
going
to
have
and
sometimes
there's
unintended
consequences
and
listening
to
the
community
are
imperative.
We
know
a
lot.
P
Things
and
in
our
current
market
that
may
just
open
up
our
neighborhoods
and
they
may
become
more
susceptible
to
outside
investors,
so
we
just
have
to
be
super
careful
and
intentional
about
what
we're
doing
with
our
eyes
wide
open.
So
that's
my
stump
speech.
I
guess
and
that's
all
I
have
if
anybody
has
any
questions
or
wants
to
make
any
comments.
That
would
be
fine.
C
C
P
I
think
so
like
so
I
mean
the
r3.
I
mean
I
have
them
in
front
of
me.
You
know
the
minimum
lot
size
for
an
r3
lot
was
8
000..
I
guess
that's
not
for
one
you
know,
but
it
was.
The
density
was
16
units
per
acre,
so
I
haven't
done
all
the
math
and
you
know-
and
you
know,
lots
were
plotted
out
and
you
know
if
you
don't
own
a
wide
enough
lot.
I
guess
the
minimum
lot
width
was
70
feet
right.
P
So
that's
a
little
bit
wider
than
our
typical
lot,
which
is
more
like
50
feet.
So
I'm
not
sure
the
dilla
would
be
awesome.
I'm
sure
crunching
some
of
this,
but
I
I
think
that's
true
what
you're
saying
it's
not.
It
wasn't
necessarily
a
huge
radical
shift,
but-
and
I
guess
we
have
so
much
pressure
now
and
growth
that
it
you
know
every
little
bit
feels
like
it
counts
right.
So.
C
Yeah,
true,
I
I'd
be
super
curious,
I'm
sure
maybe
vadilla.
It
sounds
like
he
already
has
been
curious
about
the
whole
adu
thing,
because
that
that
seems,
if
I'm
reading
what
you
just
said
correctly
and
again,
I'm
kind
of
taking
a
very,
very
high
level
look,
but
it
seems
like
the
adus
got
more
restrictive
and
now
we've
tried
to
reverse
that
trend.
You
know
in
the
last
four
years,
three
four
years.
P
Right,
I
think,
not
to
speak
for
vadilla,
but
there
were
some
rules
around
like.
If
you
had
a
non-conforming
lot,
you
couldn't
have
an
adu.
There
were
some
other
restrictions
that
were.
I
think
it
was
2015
that
we
made
those
changes
so.
R
And
let
me
just
add
a
in
that
you
know
adus
aren't
a
silver
bullet
for
you
know.
Basically
in
our
multi-family
districts
you
can
build
quite
a
quite
a
lot.
So
you
don't
you
don't
need
to
take
advantage
of
adu
regulations
in
single
family.
The
adu
regulations
can
help
to
to
build
if
somebody
wants
to
build
that
unit,
but
you
really
need
equity
or
free
capital
to
do
that.
So
we've
heard
from
a
lot
of
people
that
you
know
it's.
R
It's
helpful
to
have
opened
the
regulations,
but
it
still
doesn't
doesn't
help
it's
still
challenging
because
it
comes
down
to
wealth
and
having
having
the
resources
to
tap
into
and
build
a
new
new
home
and
even
a
small
smallish
adu
is
so
quite
expensive.
R
C
Yeah,
oh
yeah,
that
that
definitely
I
I
looked
at
it
from
the
standpoint
of
you
know
there.
It
still
feels
like
a
lot
of
neighborhoods
are
like
well.
No,
we
don't
need
these.
They
shouldn't
be
here.
They
haven't
been
here
and
essentially
what
we're
saying
is
the
history.
Is
that
they've
always
been
allowed?
I
mean
you
know
like
we're,
not
we're,
not
necessarily
now,
all
of
a
sudden,
oh
we're
going
to
allow
these
they've
been
allowed,
we're
just
evolving.
C
You
know
it's
not!
I
I
feel
like
a
lot
of
times
neighborhoods,
and
you
know
this
ties
in
maybe
that
education
piece
too,
like
people,
don't
get
that
some
of
this
stuff
has
always
been
there.
Maybe
it's
coming
to
the
forefront
more
or
less
or
we're
trying
to
find
find
out
how
they
fit.
Now,
with
the
current
fabric,
you
know
everything
changes
impermanence,
and
so
it's
just
that
continuous
evolvement
of
that.
So.
P
Q
If
I
just
make
a
quick
comment,
if
anyone
is
interested
in
more
information
about
the
redlining,
that's
happened
in
the
city
of
asheville.
Historically,
there
are,
there
have
been
multiple
dissertations
written
by
a
phd
student
from
western
carolina
and
unca
that
are
available
through
both
unca
and
western
carolina's
websites,
as
well
as
there
was
a
presentation
back
in.
I
believe,
2017
done
at
gear,
the
governor
last
in
advancing
racial
equity.
Q
P
B
Okay,
so
I
have
to
say
in
trying
to
prepare
this
presentation
for
you
all
today,
like
I
I,
admittedly
I
struggled
a
little
bit.
This
is
as
sasha's
indicated.
This
is
something
of
an
evolving
conversation
in
our
department
and
what
sasha
kind
of
had
the
slide
that
sort
of
identified
a
bunch
of
the
different
topics
of
things
or
ideas
that
we're
exploring
what
I'm
kind
of
focusing
on
is
has
more
to
do
with.
B
What
do
we
need
to
think
about?
What
kind
of
questions
should
we
ask
ourselves
when
we
make
these
land
use
decisions?
So
that's
what
I'm
going
to
try
to
walk
through
this
isn't
a
topic
that
lends
itself
well
to
like
exciting
visuals.
So
I
apologize
for
that.
B
B
When
we
think
about
equities
so
well,
first
of
all
the
planning
zoning
commission,
what
are
the
most
common
applications
that
you
all
see
right?
We
see
conditional
zonings,
rezonings
text
amendments.
B
Sometimes
you
might
see
a
master
plan
adoption,
and
so
what
our
goal
is
is
to
try
to
like
identify
what
is
the
information
or
the
analysis
that
is
really
important
from
an
equity
standpoint
that
will
help
inform
that
land
use
decision.
Do
you
approve
the
rezoning?
Do
you
not
approve
it?
Do
you
approve
it
with
special
conditions?
B
That's
what
we're
trying
to
kind
of
better
understand
and
do
better
on
currently,
when
we
think
about
equity
analysis
in
our
in
our
reports,
we
primarily
get
it
through
three
avenues:
one
is
public
engagement,
there's
a
public
engagement
piece
required
with
most
of
our
applications,
how
the
project
supports
city,
council,
strategic
goals,
and
then
the
third
is
the
alignment
with
the
city's
comprehensive
plan
and
in
some
cases
we
have
other
plans
as
well
that
might
apply
in
that
area
and
we'll.
We
would
look
at
those
plans
as
well.
B
If
it
happens
to
be
one
of
those
those
areas
and
then
occasionally,
there
may
be
some
other
very
unique
or
specific
consideration
that
gets
folded
in
as
well,
and
I
have
an
example
of
that
later
that
I'll
cover
in
a
moment,
so
that's
sort
of
our
current
practice.
B
So
what
I
thought
might
be
helpful
is
if
we
looked
at
two
examples
that
the
commission
has
reviewed
fairly
recently,
so
something
that's
still
kind
of
maybe
fresh
in
your
minds.
We
could
kind
of
break
down
what
were
some
of
those
considerations
as
they
relate
to
equity,
and
then
we
can
maybe
look
broader
to
see
like
what
else
needs
to
be
considered.
B
B
This
project
went
on
to
city
council
and
was
reviewed
just
late
last
month,
so
just
not
long
ago,
just
like
10
days
ago,
and
then
the
second
example
is
the
zoning
text
and
map
amendment
for
the
urban
centers
initiative.
You
all
re
you
know
took,
I
think,
several
meetings
to
review
that
and
then
that's
been
in
place
now,
for
I
think
several
months
at
this
point.
B
So,
to
begin
with
the
first
example,
the
west
haywood
street
conditional
zoning.
Oh,
let
me
back
up
for
a
second
too.
Let
me
point
out
two
important
differences
about
these
two
examples.
The
first
is
this
comes
to
us
at
the
request
of
a
property
owner
or
a
developer.
So
this
is
somebody
saying
I
want
to
pursue
this
application
and
you,
the
city,
should
evaluate
it.
The
second
is
an
actual
city
initiative,
so
this
was
something
that
we
undertook
as
as
sort
of
an
implementation
move
as
part
of
our
city's
comprehensive
plan.
B
So
just
to
remind
you
all
the
project
description,
this
was
a
request
to
change
the
zoning
from
community
business
1
to
community
business
2
and
to
approve
the
site
plan
for
a
49
unit,
multi-family
development.
This
conditional
zoning
was
requested
because
they
they
needed
that
change
in
zoning
designation
in
order
to
accommodate
a
larger
building
than
what
would
normally
be
allowed
in
the
community
business.
One
district.
B
B
Some
of
the
key
features
about
the
project,
it's
relatively
small
site.
So
this
is
a
higher
density
project.
It's
just
one
and
a
half
acres
and
it's
located
right
on
the
edge
of
the
city's
downtown
and
right
on
the
edge
of
interstate
240.
So
I
think
the
context
of
the
site
is
is
kind
of
an
important
consideration.
B
We
also
look
at
the
physical
proposal,
a
single
49,
000
square
foot,
four-story
building,
there's
a
combination
of
surface
and
structured
parking.
The
building
has
a
pedestrian
orientation
typical
of
what
we
more
commonly
see
in
our
downtown,
with
a
wide
sidewalk
along
the
main
thoroughfare
street
crossing
to
kind
of
help,
connect
people
to
more
sidewalk
and
to
reach
bus
stops
things
of
that
nature,
indoor
and
outdoor
community
and
gathering
spaces
an
architecture.
That's
consistent
with
some
of
the
newer
construction
in
the
weekend
community
and
then,
of
course,
at
its
core.
B
It's
a
residential
project,
adding
49
residential
dwelling
units,
but
this
is
an
important
consideration
too.
All
of
the
units
were
affordable
and
not
just
affordable.
Like
we
often
see
with
some
of
our
private
development
applications,
a
hundred
percent
of
the
units
were
affordable
and
deeply
affordable
and
affordable
in
perpetuity.
B
We
don't
see
that
I
think
one
of
our
council
members
called
this
a
unicorn
kind
of
is
we
hardly
ever
see
that,
except
with
our
affordable
housing
nonprofits-
and
this
was-
I
mean-
this-
is
a
new
nonprofit
that
brought
this
forward,
but
it's
kind
of
new
players
and
they
were
sort
of
breaking
into
this
just
because
they
felt
like
it
was
a
need
in
asheville.
B
So
when
we
think
about
equity,
I
mentioned
there
were
those
three
avenues:
the
public
engagement
piece,
the
support
or
evaluating
how
it
supports
city
adopted
goals
and
then
how
it
is
an
alignment
with
the
city's
comprehensive
plan.
So
public
engagement,
conditional
zonings
have
two
components,
often
usually
a
neighborhood
meeting.
This
is
required
by
the
developer,
so
our
udo
requires
that
a
developer
must
hold
a
neighborhood
meeting
before
they
apply.
B
So
this
is
when
they're
still
kind
of
in
the
planning
stage
kind
of
figuring
out
how
many
units,
how
big
of
a
building,
what
is
it
going
to
look
like
they
have
to
hold
a
meeting
with
the
community,
and
the
purpose
of
that
is
for
the
community
members
to
learn
more
about
the
project,
but
also
to
provide
input
and
feedback
to
that
developer.
You
know
it's
their
opportunity
to
say
it's
too
tall.
It's
too
big.
We
want
you
to
add
wider
sidewalks
or
I
need
a
fence
or
you
know
whatever
it
is.
B
This
is
their
opportunity
to
kind
of
have
their
voices
be
heard,
and
the
goal
is
then
that
the
developers
since
they're
not
too
far
down
in
the
design
development
stage,
that
they
could
incorporate
some
of
those
recommendations
and
and
just
be
the
good
neighbor
and
have
the
opportunity
to
make
changes
that
will
help.
Those
folks
in
the
community
already
feel
more
comfortable.
B
The
the
second
engagement
piece
is
our
public
meetings
and
hearings,
and
you
all
are
a
big
part
of
this.
It's
our
technical
review
committee
planning
and
zoning
commission
city
council
meetings.
B
We
by
state
law,
are
required
to
notify
property
owners
within
200
feet
put
advertisements
in
the
newspaper
put
signs
on
the
property
we
we
make
all
of
our
information
and
our
reports
publicly
available.
Our
meetings
are
public,
so
people
can
attend
and
similar
to
the
neighborhood
meetings.
It's
an
opportunity
for
people
to
come
and
learn
more
and
potentially
express
concerns
or
or
sometimes
support
for
projects.
B
Moving
on
the
other
second
consideration
is:
how
does
this
project
support
council
strategic
goals?
I
don't
think
I
shared
this
in
your
homework.
I
probably
should
have
is
just
a
website
link
if
you
go
to
the
ashf.gov
and
you
go
to
government
under
the
government
tab
for
city
council.
There
is
a
list
of
the
council's
strategic
priorities
and
I
think
they're
labeled
priorities
for
2036,
something
like
that
and
and
that
sort
of
lays
out
their
priorities
and
then
there's
like
a
description
of
that
particular
goal.
B
So
as
it
relates
to
this
project,
the
haywood
street
project,
there
is,
we
highlighted
a
well-planned
and
livable
community.
That
is
the
heading
for
that
particular
goal,
and
this
is
the
the
text
from
that
council
web
page.
That
lists
all
of
those
different
goals
and
I've
kind
of
highlighted-
and
I
see
now-
it's
probably
not
dark
enough
for
you
to
see,
but
I
tried
to
highlight
the
little
parts
that
that
are
very
apparent
in
this
project.
So
we
have
pedestrian
oriented
development.
B
B
It
is
a
deeply
affordable
project,
so
it's
socioeconomically
diverse,
it's
a
residential
project
providing
affordable
housing
and
it's
in
close
proximity
to
parks.
So
it's
it's
just
right
across
the
street
from
the
aston
aston
park
and
the
tennis
center.
So
so
we
highlight
we
flag.
This
particular
goal
and
kind
of
explain
like
why
or
how
this
project
supports
this
goal.
B
The
third
thing
or
the
third
avenue
is
the
alignment
with
the
libyan
actual
comprehensive
plan,
similar
to
the
sit
council's
comprehensive
goals
or
strategic
goals.
Is
we
have
these?
We
have
themes
and
if
you've
reviewed
the
city's
comprehensive
plan,
you'll
see,
I
think
it's
in
book
two.
B
So,
given
that
we
often
these
applications
deal
with
the
built
environment,
we
commonly
refer
to
the
livable
built
environment
theme
and
then
within
that
there
are
a
number
of
goals
in
this
particular
case
and
it's
not
uncommon
for
some
of
our
projects
to
be
strongly
aligned
with
one
theme,
such
as
a
livable
built
environment
and
some
of
those
goals
and
be
sort
of
maybe
moderately
or
partially
aligned
with
another.
So
we
might
have
two
or
three
themes
and
we
might
just
kind
of
list
all
of
the
different
elements
that
kind
of
fall
within
those.
B
So
in
this
particular
case
we
highlighted
the
livable
built
environment
and
a
resilient
economy,
and
that
is
because,
within
that
you
find
goals
for
encouraging
responsible
growth
by
providing
infill
and
targeted
growth
areas.
This
project's
definitely
in
a
growth
area
right
on
the
edge
of
downtown
increases,
the
supply
of
housing,
especially
high
density
housing,
again
because
you're
in
a
targeted
growth
area,
compatible
architecture
and
place
making.
B
It
improves
transportation
connections,
those
wider
sidewalks
and
that
they
also
committed
to
providing
a
crosswalk
to
more
sidewalk
across
the
street
and
then
again,
of
course,
it
provides
affordable
housing.
My
recollection
is
it's
the
affordable
housing
piece
that
comes
out
of
the
resilient
economy,
recognizing
how
important
housing
and
affordable
housing
is
to
our
economy.
It
shows
up-
and
that's
it's
also
part
of
the
livable
built
environment
section.
B
In
this
particular
case.
We
also
look
at
compliance
with
other
adopted
plants,
so
we
look
at
alliance
or
compliance
with
the
comprehensive
plan
and
any
other
adopted
plan.
So
we
have
the
we
can
citizens
master
plan
for
this
project
area.
This
was
within
that
plan.
I
think
it
was
designated
like
top
of
the
hill
or
it
was
kind
of
the
upper
end,
the
northern
end
of
the
sort
of
master
plan
area,
and
it's
a
little.
B
It's
not
too
uncommon
too,
with
some
of
our
plans
or
even
in
the
comprehensive
plan
like
it's
not
always
super
specific.
Sometimes
the
direction
or
the
recommendations
are
a
little
bit
vague
or
open
to
interpretation.
So
in
this
case
they
talked
about
the
desire
to
separate
local
traffic
from
interstate
traffic
along
240
and
patent.
B
B
B
I
suppose
it's
up
to
interpretation
what's
large
and
what's
mid,
but
I
think
at
least
based
on
the
drawings.
This
is
probably
on
the
big
end,
if
not
maybe
a
little
bit
bigger
than
what
was
originally
contemplated,
but
overall
they
identified
multi-family
pedestrian
oriented
in
this
area.
So
it's
consistent
in
that
regard.
B
Some
other
considerations.
With
this
application
included.
There
was
a
lot
of
public
funding
in
this
project
from
both
the
city
and
the
county
as
well
as
some
funding
from,
I
think
dogwood
trust
and
it
may
have
been
another
source
can't
recall
at
the
moment.
The
property
was
also
located
in
an
opportunity
zone
and
the
asheville
city
council
adopted
a
resolution
in
support
of
opportunity
zones.
I
think
in
2018.
B
F
Hey
shannon
thanks
for
the
good
presentation.
I
guess
this
comments,
kind
of
directed
at
the
diversity,
equity
and
inclusion
group,
marcus
and
the
others
we
talked
to
earlier,
and
this
project
you're
referencing
really
grinded
my
gears
because
it
was
open
lots
undeveloped,
lost
near
the
highway
in
a
neighborhood.
That
was,
I
mean,
there's
a
lot
of
good
people
in
that
neighborhood.
F
But
there
was
a
lot
of
opposition
to
this
because
of
the
affordable
housing
measures
and
because
to
be
blatant,
you
know
it
was
going
to
be
a
a
black
apartment
or
an
african-american
apartment
and
people
were
very
against
it,
and
I
got
really
upset
thinking.
F
You
know
why?
Don't
you
want
that
there?
You
know
they're
open
lots
with
needles
in
them
a
drug
haven,
and
you
think
that
moving
in
this
kind
of
group
is
gonna,
make
it
worse,
and
my
thought
was
this
makes
it
better.
You
know
we're
giving
them
houses
we're
giving
them
the
agreement
area
returning.
What
was
a
drug
use
lot
into
affordable
housing,
and
so
I
guess
my
comment
I'm
going
with
here
is
that
you
know
if
you're
looking,
if
you're
looking
for
ways
to
help
educate
people
or
help
change
that
understanding.
F
You
know
this
is
a
prime
example
of
it.
I
thought
I
was
like
man
there's
a
lot
of
misconceptions
here.
There's
a
lot
of
assumptions
going
in
and
I
don't
know
it
just
really.
It
wound
me
up
because
the
comment
they
kept
using
was
oh
well.
The
legacy
of
the
neighborhood.
Is
this
the
legacy
of
the
neighborhoods
that
I'm
like?
Well,
what
do
we.
D
F
The
legacy
to
be
going
forward,
you
know,
how
do
we
want
to
change
that
and
I'm
sorry
I
didn't
mean
to
get
on
mine,
my
stump,
my
my
soapbox,
but
no.
B
I
I
really
appreciate
that,
and
you
know
it's
interesting
to
to
hear
that
phrase-
the
legacy
of
the
neighborhood,
because
you
know
based
on
sasha's
presentation.
We
know
that
the
legacy
of
this
neighborhood
or
that
area
really
is
probably
not
what
a
lot
of
people
think-
and
that
was
probably
not
recognized
by
a
lot
of
the
people
who
made
comments
in
opposition
of
this
project.
B
But
the
good
news
is
on
this
front
is
that
there
are
a
lot
of
people
in
that
community
who
do
recognize
that
this
neighborhood
is
so
I
I'm
so
impressed
with
because
they're
one
of
the
more
embracing
open
communities-
and
they
have
some
really
strong
leadership
in
that
in
that
neighborhood,
and
I
think
it
was
through
a
lot
of
their
efforts
to
kind
of
talk
to
their
neighbors
and
get
people
to
understand.
B
So
you
all
experienced
opposition
at
the
playing
zoning
commission
a
lot
of
public
comment
presentations,
but
by
the
time
we
got
to
city
council,
there
wasn't
any.
There
was
no
public
comment
when
we
got
to
city
council,
so
I
think
the
message
got
heard
and
maybe
maybe
minds
were
being
changed.
I
I
sure
hope
so.
This
project
also
reminds
me
quite
a
lot.
B
We
had
a
lot
of
staff
discussion
about
the
larchmont
and
some
of
you
may
be
familiar
with
that
project
or
may
remember
that
went
to
camp
or
playing
zoning
city
council
back
in
oh
gosh.
It's
probably
been
you
know
eight
nine
years
ago,
something
like
that
and
that
was
an
affordable
housing
project
off
of
merriman
avenue,
and
there
was
it
was
similar.
Quite
a
lot
of
opposition.
B
The
project
got
built
got
approved.
There
was
again
a
lot
of
strong
leadership
that
this
was
needed
and
it
got
approved
got
built.
Nothing
no
concerns
no
complaints
about
the
project
once
it
got
built.
I
think
it's
worth
worthwhile,
going
back
and
circling
back
on
some
of
these
projects
and
and
kind
of
saying,
like
hey,
remember
this
everybody
was
concerned
about
it
and
it
didn't
turn
out
so
bad.
In
fact,
maybe
it's
a
good
thing
you
know
so
so
I
think
your
point
is
very
well
taken.
F
And
I
appreciate
your
help
and
I
wasn't
meaning
to
bash
the
citizens
of
weekends,
there's
a
lot
of
good
people
there
and
it's
a
great
area.
I
was
just
shocked
about
the
public
comment.
Yeah.
B
I
think
there
was
some
misunderstanding
too
because
of
who
the
applicant
was,
and
I
think
that
also
got
better
clarified,
as
we
went
through
I'll.
F
B
Thank
you
jeffrey.
L
Yeah
I
thanks
for
the
presentation
and
the
I
agree
that
the
the
comments
that
come
out
you
know
oftentimes,
I'm
a
non-profit,
affordable,
housing,
developer
and
so
a
lot
of
times
in
the
development
community.
We
paint
with
a
broad
brush
the
term
nimby
and
we
kind
of
throw
that
around
a
lot.
You
know
as
a
way
to
say
anything
anyone
who
opposes
what
we're
proposing
as
a
nimbi.
What
was
interesting
is,
I
agree
with
you
shannon.
L
I
think
that
the
conversation
was
nuanced
and
we
can-
and
I
think
there
was
some
good
discussion-
I
think
neighbors
learning
from
neighbors-
that's
that
is
the
exception.
I
think
I
I
don't
think
that
the
level
and
sophistication
of
conversation
is
often
that
good,
and
so
I
think
what
I
would
ask
for
and
encourage
staff
to
help
with.
As
we
look
towards
incorporating
equity
and
project
analysis,
is
you
know
we?
We
need
some
more
tools
to
represent
the
people
who
aren't
at
the
tables
at
those
neighborhood
meetings.
L
You
know
the
people
who
will
be
served
by
a
project
because
that's
you
know,
we
need
tools
to
help
us
say
this
project
does
reflect
the
values
of
the
community.
You
may
not
love
the
fact
that
it's
being
built
in
your
neighborhood,
but
it
is
important.
That's
that's
what
I
see
equity
as
being
helpful
and
important
in
our
decision-making
is
to
help
reflect
the
broader
constituency,
because
the
nimby
battles
are
becoming
more
frequent,
more
intense
and
almost
you
know
just
automatic
at
this
point,
with
every
development
proposed
in
buncombe
county.
B
And
I
would,
I
would
ask
jeffrey
you
and
the
and
other
commissioners
to
really
hold
on
to
those
suggestions
or
what
you
need,
because,
when
we're
done
with
these
presentations,
we're
going
to
go
through
an
exercise
and
we're
going
to
ask
you
guys
to
kind
of
get
some
of
those
thoughts
out.
So
so
hang
on
to
that,
I
hope
you
can
maybe
even
add
more
as
we
go
so
all
right
if
there
aren't
any
other
questions
I'll
I'll
move
on.
B
Okay,
see
none.
So
the
next
example
is
that
urban
centers
initiative
that
I
mentioned
in
the
beginning.
This
is
this:
is
that
city-initiated
projects,
so
we
we
both
because
it's
city-initiated,
but
also
because
this
is
a
very
broad
project
or
effort
that
has
profound
impacts,
not
just
on
our
built
environment
but
on
the
communities
that
surround
them
and
and
on
other
stakeholders
or
other
residents
in
the
community
who
might
visit
these
areas.
B
These
are
sort
of
large
commercial
nodes,
so
we
took
public
engagement
to
a
different
level
in
this
case,
and
so
let
me
get
advance
here.
So
just
a
quick
reminder
of
the
project
description.
There
were
two
components
to
this:
there
was
a
zoning
text,
amendment
that
created
a
or
excuse
me
expanded
on
an
existing
zoning
district
and
its
development
requirements.
It's
the
urban
place,
zoning
district
and
we
basically
supplanted
the
former
urban
place
standards
with
a
new
form
code.
B
And
and
then
there
was
the
zoning
change
so
the
map
amendment.
So
we
had
a
zoning
text,
amendment
that
created
the
new
urban
place
development
requirements,
and
then
we
had
a
map
amendment
that
applied
that
new
zoning
in
these
key
commercial
areas
that
were
identified
on
the
city's
future
land
use
map,
which
is
a
map
that
is
adopted
as
part
of
the
city's
comprehensive
plan,
and
in
that
map
we
identify
where
we
think
these
urban
centers
should
be
located.
So
so
that
was
the
effort.
B
Some
of
the
key
features
of
that
initiative.
There
was
the
new
form-based
design
standards
that
included
requirements,
particularly
for
larger
projects.
Some
of
the
forum
based
requirements
would
apply
to
smaller
projects
as
well,
but
for
the
larger
projects
we
were
really
looking
at
requiring
housing,
some
connectivity
or
the
extension
of
public
infrastructure
the
streets.
B
We
also
required
master
planning.
So
even
if
you
were
only
developing
a
quarter
of
your
site,
we
made
you
kind
of
master
plan
out
it's
related
to
that
road
infrastructure.
We
made
you
think
like.
Well,
how
will
you
grow
in
the
future?
Where
should
this
road
connect
or
how
will
this
road
connect?
And
what
will
this
look
like?
B
And
then
there
were
some
incentives
for
height
increases
in
exchange
for
affordable
housing,
other
incentives
to
incorporate
small
commercial
spaces
to
support
local
businesses
so
trying
to
basically
create
a
higher
density.
More
intense
urban
kind
of
urbanized
node
that
had
you
know
that
was
comfortable
to
walk
in
that
you
could
easily
reach
and
get
get
to
the
you
know,
other
other
parts
of
the
area,
the
equity
consideration.
So
again,
those
three
pieces
are
avenues
for
consideration:
public
engagement
piece.
B
So,
in
addition
to
the
public
meetings
and
hearings
that
we
hold
for
text
amendments
and
map
amendments,
we
also
had
informational
meetings,
multiple
at
different
locations,
open
office
hours,
pop-up
presentations
and
surveys,
open
house
sessions
meetings,
many
meetings
with
property
and
business
owners
who
were
directly
affected
meetings
with
the
coalition
of
asheville
neighborhoods
and
meetings
with
the
legacy
neighborhoods
coalition
as
well.
So
a
lot
of
discussions
with
key
stakeholders
who
and
the
and
the
initiative
changed
as
we
had
that
public
engagement,
we
changed
the
development
standards
to
address
specific
concerns.
B
B
C
P
It's
so
the
legacy
neighborhoods
coalition
is
a
group
of
neighborhoods
that
meet
it's
burton
street
east
end
valley,
street
shiloh
emma
and
oh
gosh.
I
think
that's
it
and
you
know
eventually.
South
side
will
probably
join
that
coalition
when
they
get
more
organized,
but
in
in
the
community.
Land
trust
also
takes
part
in
those
conversations,
but
they've
been
staffed.
They
kind
of
grew
out
of
the
isaac,
coleman,
funding
initiative
and
the
county
has
been
staffing
them
and
I
think
they're
moving
to
having
a
more
independent
facilitator
right
now.
B
So
I
think
sasha
is
it
fair
to
say
the
legacy.
Neighborhoods
coalition
is
kind
of
focused
on
trying
to
slow
like
gentrification
or
displacement
absolutely
of
the
residents
in
those
communities.
So
so
that
was
a
big
concern
around
one,
particularly
one
of
the
nodes
here.
As
part
of
this
initiative
and
and
as
a
result,
we
ended
up
just
removing
that
whole
section
from
from
the
rezoning
effort.
B
So
I'll
move
on
in
regards
to
support
of
council
strategic
goals.
Again,
not
surprisingly,
we
see
a
well-planned
and
livable
community
again,
you
know
because
we
deal
with
the
belt
environment.
That's
that's
a
very
common
one
to
to
land
on
and
then
alignment
with
the
living,
asheville
comprehensive
plan.
B
Again
we
see
the
livable
built
environment
and
resilient
economy,
and
the
bullets
are
actually
include
a
lot
of
the
same
stuff
that
was
included
in
the
west
haywood
street
project
so
again,
focusing
on
targeting
infill
development
and
growth
areas
in
increasing
or
promoting
mixed-use
development
areas
that
should
be
walkable
well-connected,
multimodal
or
allowing
for
multimodal
transportation
and
access,
hopefully
not
just
an
increase
in
a
diversification
of
housing,
but
also
some
affordable,
housing
and
yeah.
So
those
are
sort
of
the
key
areas
where
this
project
or
initiative
aligned
with
the
comprehensive
plan.
B
These
all
have
equity
components
to
them
and
we
end
up
highlighting
just
a
well-planned
and
livable
community
and
we
don't
really
end
up
talking
about
these
other
pieces.
We're
not
asking
the
questions
about
well.
How
does
this
help
support
a
clean
and
healthy
environment?
You
know
what
what's
changed.
Is
there
anything
about
this
that
you
know
we
should
be
talking
about
same
with
the
comprehensive
plan
themes
you
can
see
there.
There
are
some
other
themes
that
that
were
not
highlighted
or
addressed.
In
these
two
applications.
B
And
that's
just
that's
just
been
our
practice.
You
know
we
haven't
focused
on
what's
missing
as
much
as
we've
been
focusing
on,
what's
included
so
with
the
urban
centers
initiative,
we
kind
of
recognized
that,
particularly
as
we
had
more
and
more
stakeholder
conversations
and
the
staff
made
the
decision
and
and
vadilla
and
todd-
and
I
think
stacey
and
maybe
sasha
too
all
kind
of
worked
on
this
effort
and
they
looked
at
the
gear
racial
equity
toolkit.
Now
that
is
one
of
the
documents
that
was
included
in
your
homework.
B
So
I
hope
you
had
the
opportunity
to
take
a
look
at
it
and
what
that
toolkit
does.
Is
it
walks
you
through
a
series
of
they
break
it
down
into
steps
step?
One
step
two,
and
I
think
there
are
six
steps
and
within
each
step
are
a
number
of
questions,
and
it
makes
you
just
sort
of
go
through
the
process
of
answering
those
questions
and
to
answer
those
questions
it
might
require
some
analysis
or
some
research
or
some
careful
thought
and
consideration.
B
So
it
doesn't
really
say
you
have
to
do
something
that
you're
not
doing
what
it's
trying
to
do
is
just
make.
You
ask
the
right
questions
and
make
sure
that
you're
paying
attention
to
the
important
things
that
we
should
be
looking
at.
So
I'm
going
to
switch
my
screen
really
quick
and
I'm
going
to
pull
over.
B
This
is
the
equity
toolkit.
Can
you
all
see
that
yeah?
So
if
you
had
the
opportunity
to
look
at
it,
you
know
it
kind
of
begins
by
talking
about
what
is
the
racial
equity
tool.
You
know
why
governments
should
use
it
and
then,
as
you
go
down
you'll
see
here
here
is
on
page
seven.
You
begin
those
steps.
So
it
starts
to
ask
those
questions.
B
What
is
your
proposal
and
the
desired
results
and
outcomes
who
we
should
oh
and
then
there's
more
more
questions,
describe
the
policy
program
practice
or
budget
decisions
under
consideration?
What
are
the
intended
results?
So
it's
just
making
you
think
about
that.
So
when
it
came
to
the
urban
centers
initiative,
asheville
did
that
and
the
urban
planning
and
urban
design
staff
went
through
that
process
of
looking
at
those
steps
and
looking
at
those
questions
and
trying
to
answer
those
questions.
B
B
In
order
to
be
able
to
answer
those
questions
or
explain,
you
know
what
is
important,
why
we
think
this
is
important
and
I
think
this
process
definitely
helped
inform,
not
just
the
people
that
we
were
trying
to
convince
to
support
this,
but,
given
ourselves,
you
know
so
we
we,
we
see
the
value
of
this
exercise
now
that
document
that
I
just
stopped
sharing
with
you,
that's
like
20,
some
pages
long,
that
is,
that
is
not
a
small
effort
that
takes
some
significant
work.
B
That
is
not
practical
for
us
to
do
with
every
single
land
use
application,
and
so
what
we've
been
trying
to
ask
ourselves
is
like
well
what
what
it
you
know,
we
probably
need
to
do
more
than
just
look
at
yes.
Vadilla
does
get
all
the
credit
for
that
toolkit.
He
he
worked
very
hard
on
that
initiative.
If
you
all
didn't
know,
vadilla
was
our
main
project
manager
for
that.
B
So,
but
back
to
my
point,
so
you
know
we
should
be
doing
more,
probably
than
what
we
have
been
doing
by
just
identifying
where
there's
alignment,
but
we
can't
do
that
full
tool
kit
with
every
application.
So
what
can
we
do
so
sasha
kind
of
helped
me
connect
me
to
some
what
some
other
cities
are
doing?
We've
been
looking
at
the
city
of
raleigh,
they
they
their
staff
reports,
are
also
very
long.
I
I
don't
know
that.
B
That's
exactly
the
model
we
want
to
follow,
but
they
have
some
really
interesting
pieces
to
their
staff
report
that
I
think
are
worth
us
looking
at.
They
do
they
break
it
down
into
certain
sections
and,
for
instance,
they
have
a
section
on
provide,
affordable
or
housing,
affordability
and
energy
analysis.
So
how
does
this
project
address
carbon
footprint
issues
regarding
housing
and
transportation,
housing,
supply
and
affordability?
B
What
are
the
demographic
indicators
in
this
area
is
how
does
health
and
environment
factor
in
so
they
do
a
better
job
of
that,
and
let
me
show
you,
I
think
I
have,
and
they
do.
One
thing
that
I
thought
was
really
interesting
is
that
they
do
sort
of
a
combination.
Let
me
see
if
I
can't
find
it
in
here
they
do
sort
of
a
combination
of
yes,
no
questions.
B
B
This
is
what
I
mean
about
their
their
staff.
Reports
are
quite
long,
so
here's
that
housing,
affordability
and
energy
efficiency
analysis,
so
they
they
start
off
by
looking
at
carbon
footprint,
this
one
particularly
related
to
transportation
and
they
they're
using
different
metrics
that
have
been
established.
The
walk
score,
if
most,
some
of
you
most
of
you
probably
are
familiar
with
so
here's
just
one
way
of
looking
at
you
know
is
this:
is
this
site
strategically
located
as
it
relates
to
transportation?
You
know,
is
it
very?
B
Is
it
in
a
walkable
area
already?
Will
it
help
improve
the
walkability,
and
you
know
what
does
that
mean
for
carbon
footprint
same
with
housing?
B
B
This
kind
of
information
I
mean
you,
could
you
could
probably
answer
these
questions
yourselves
when
you
become
familiar
with
the
project
and
read
the
staff
report,
but
it
would
be
kind
of
nice
to
be
able
to
have
a
table
too
that
you
could
just
quickly
at
a
glance
reference
and
then,
if
you
go
further
into
the
into
this
analysis,
you'll
start
to
get
into
some
there's
some
analysis
questions
where
it's
more
of
a
narrative.
They
ask
the
question
kind
of
like
what
we
did
with
the
toolkit.
B
The
other
remember,
the
other
kind
of
big
part
of
of
our
lens
for
examining
equity
is
our
public
engagement
piece.
We
are
kind
of
collaborating
with
other
city
departments
on
a
neighborhood
meeting
guide.
B
You
know,
I
mentioned
the
neighborhood
meetings
that
we
did
or
were
done
for
the
west
haywood
street
project
and
other
conditional
zonings
we're
trying
to
working
with
the
coalition
of
asheville
neighborhoods,
our
neighborhood
services
staff
and
our
development
services
staff,
trying
to
kind
of
come
up
with
a
better
way
of
doing
neighborhood
meetings
and
it's
kind
of
a
multi-pronged
approach
by
creating
a
guide.
That
is
something
that
neighbors
and
potential
developers
could
reference
clarifies
roles
and
responsibilities,
summarizes
the
requirements.
B
Add
some
easy
checklists,
so
it
makes
a
little
bit
more
user-friendly,
looking
at
opportunities
to
expand
and
improve
automated
notifications,
so
that
people
can
be
informed
and
know
about
these
projects
and
know
how
to
find
more
information
and
then
updating
some
of
the
requirements.
So
it's
we
have
some
developers
who
do
a
really
good
job
with
neighborhood
meetings
and
others
who
just
sort
of
do
the
bare
minimum.
B
So
we're
trying
to
make
it
more
clear
that
no
you
you
do
have
to
supply
a
summary
report
and
that
summary
report
needs
to
include
the
following
pieces
of
information.
Not
just
you
met
and
three
people
showed
up
right.
That's
not
a
report,
so
we
need
more
than
that.
So
that's
another
effort
that
we're
already
have
underway,
but
that
that
engagement
piece
is
another
opportunity
I
think,
to
to
really
try
to
move
the
needle
on
on
equity.
F
B
F
I'm
sure
he'd
love
to
do
that,
but
seriously.
I
do
appreciate
that
presentation.
That
is
that's
awesome.
What
the
city
of
raleigh
is
doing.
That's
very
impressive,
not
saying
that
we
should
expect
that
for
every
single
project
here,
but
some
of
those
metrics
and
quick
kind
of
reference
tools,
that's
pretty
cool!
Thank
you
for
presenting
that.
B
B
C
Sorry,
I'm
I'm
looking
at
that
tool,
kit
and
writing
thoughts
down
all
at
the
same
time.
Thank
you.
You
know,
there's
there's
a
couple
things
that
and
this
this
is
really
kind
of
spur
of
the
moment
stuff
that
that's
coming
to
my
mind
and-
and
I
will
preface
it
by
saying
I'm
always
looking
for
like
okay
here,
here's
a
here's,
an
issue
that
we
have.
C
What
is
the
solution
and
I
realize
that
that's
a
perhaps
its
own
equity
issue
as
a
white
man
looking
for
solutions,
but
that's
just
how
my
mind
works
in
my
career.
But,
like
I
look
at
this
racial
equity
toolkit-
and
I
even
look
at
you
know,
I'm
looking
at
page
seven
step,
one
like
it's
there's
number
three:
it's:
what
does
this
proposal
have
the
ability
to
impact
like
even
those
what
is
it
10
things
yeah
right
right
there
towards.
C
I
think
it's
a
little
bit
further
down,
shannon
like
even
those
10
things
like
if
those
10
things
could
get
checked
off
like
or
the
walk
score
like
it
seems
like
there
are
small
things
that
could
get
included
in
the
staff
report
or
you
know,
then.
My
next
thing,
after
that
I
went
to
obviously
that
neighborhood
meeting
guide
you
know,
is
there
some
way
that
this
and
I
realize
this
becomes
like
a
staffing
thing
with
the
city
and
then
I
jump
to
dogwood
health.
C
Would
they
have
any
interest
in
partnering
to
to
get
someone
to
help
write
this,
but,
like
writing
a
checklist
that
then
the
developer
has
to
present
at
the
neighborhood
meeting
where
they
say.
Here's
here
are
the
things
that
we're
doing.
Here's
the
walk
score,
that's
going
to
get
improved
or
here
is
how
we're
going
to
be
mitigating
climate
change.
You
know,
I
even
think
about
the
meeting
the
proposal
last
night
for
julian
scholes.
You
know
their
desire
to
pursue
green
globes,
and
I
realized
that
you
know
it's
a
whole
separate
conversation.
C
B
B
I
didn't
even
know
they
had.
That
was
the
first.
I
heard
that
they
were
contemplating
green
globe
last
night
during
that
meeting
they
never
brought
it
up.
Even
when
I
asked
you
know
in
our
earlier
meetings
about
like.
Please
make
sure
you
identify
and
highlight
these
voluntary
things
that
you
know
are
good.
In
particular,
you
know:
affordable
housing,
green
building,
innovative
storm
water.
I
typically
run
through
a
list
of
things
with
prospective
developers
saying
you
know
we
have
to
demonstrate
alignment
with
the
comprehensive
plan.
B
So
let
us
know
if
you're
planning
any
of
these
things.
I
didn't
mention
anything
about
that,
so
they
brought
it
up
last
night
for
the
first
time
so,
but
if
we
had
asked
them
as
part
of
their
application,
for
example,
to
say,
tell
us
how
your
project
helps
or
has
an
impact
on
these
things.
Maybe
I
would
have
gotten
that
information
and
we
would
have
been
able
to
have
a
more
robust
exploration
of
what
that
might
mean
for
their
project
and
the
community.
So
so
I
appreciate
that
you
brought
that
up
as
an
example.
B
J
J
I
mean
I
personally
know
that,
like
the
bus
goes
there,
but
I
also
know
that
the
bus
that
goes
by
there
doesn't
go
anywhere.
It
doesn't
go
anywhere
important
and
I
think
of
when
we
looked
at
the
weekend
proposal
and
how
much
we
fought
over
the
parking
spaces,
because
we
said
you
know
people
who
are
living
in
affordable
housing.
Are
they
really
going
to
be
able
to
afford
a
car
and
how
often
we've
fought
over
the
number
of
parking
spaces
for
the
affordable
housing.
J
J
It
would
be
helpful
to
see
like
this
bus
number
stops
here
and
it
goes
where
and
I
think,
a
lot
of
times
the
developer
may
not
even
be
familiar
with
that
or
know
what's
going
where
so
even
just
little
tidbits
like
that
would
be
so
helpful
for
everybody.
That's
looking
at
the
proposal.
B
Great
brenton,
thank
you
for
that.
I
think
that's
that's
a
great
suggestion.
F
Thank
you,
and
I
know
I'm
gonna
try
to
hold
out
of
this.
You
keep
telling
me
to
do
that,
but
I'm
gonna
say
it.
I
think
you
know
having
done
pulled
commercial
permits
before
in
the
city
of
asheville
and
such
you
know,
they're
a
pain
in
the
butt
they're
big,
but
if
someone's
looking
to
build
a
multi-million
dollar
project
in
the
community,
adding
some
more
things
to
their
checklist
for
hey,
how
far
are
you
from
a
bus?
Stop
hey?
I
need
you
to
fill
this
out.
F
If
you
want
to
spend
that
much
money
and
build
in
the
city,
I
mean
I,
I
I'm
not
going
to
shed
a
whole
lot
of
tears
and
I've
filled
them
out
before,
and
I've
said
many
wonderful
words
about
permit
officers
having
to
fill
those
out.
So
I
have
no
problem
if
we
need
to
add
some
more
pages
onto
that
permit,
even
though
I've
done
it
before
and
anyway,.
B
D
C
Shannon
make
sure
to
tell
david
happy
birthday
for
me,
although
I
am
I
don't
know,
I
don't
know
if
insulted's
the
right
word,
but
he's
only
50.
geez.
I.
C
I'll
just
I'll
take
a
quick
minute.
I
was
just
thinking
during
the
break.
You
know
one
of
the
reasons
I
think
it's
really
good
to
have
this
discussion
and
you
know
it
has
to
be
remote,
and
I
mean
it's
good
that
it
is
broadcast
and
that
people
can
rewatch.
It
is
that
you
know.
C
Hopefully,
I've
had
a
lot
of
discussions
with
some
council
members
with
some
other
people
in
like
the
keep
it
moving
white
caucus
and
some
other
groups,
and
and-
and
I
hope
for
all
those
people
in
the
community
that
either
watch
this
or
hear
about
it
or
watch
it
later
like
it
lets
them
know
that
we
are
thinking
about
this
and
that
we
are
here
and
we're
having
these
conversations
and
that
if
they
have
concerns
that
they
feel
comfortable
coming
to
us,
you
know.
C
B
All
right:
well,
I
think
we
got
a
critical
mass,
so
we'll
go
ahead
and
dive
into
the
next
portion
of
our
agenda,
which
this
is
actually
the
the
interactive
exercise
that
I
referred
to
earlier.
So
google
meets
that
we're
using
right
now
for
our
remote
technology
has
what
they
call
a
jam
board.
It's
like
a
white
board,
an
electronic
virtual
version
of
a
a
white
board
that
you
can
stick
sticky
notes
on.
So
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
get
that
started.
B
O
B
So
you
should
have
in
your
like
in
a
corner
like
you,
should
be
able
to
use
these
tabs
on
the
left
hand,
side
or
these
little
tools,
and
so
this
is
the
sticky
note
tool.
So
you
could
come
over
here
and
say
whatever
you
like
type
whatever
you
like
in
that
sticky
note
and
it'll
show
up,
and
then
you
can
kind
of
move
them
around
at
the
end.
You
know
we
can
maybe
kind
of
like
what
we
often
do
with
sticky
note
exercises.
B
We
can
start
to
group
them
or
whatever
I
I
don't
know
what
you
all
think,
but
I
think
this
can
be
anybody
who's
here
right
now,
who
wants
to
participate
and
put
some
thoughts
together?
We've
heard
you
guys
have
looked
at
all
of
those
materials
that
we
shared
with
you.
B
And
let's
start
to
talk
about
like
what
what
would
help
to
move
the
needle
as
it
relates
to
equity,
as
it
relates
to
the
planning
work
that
you,
the
commission
does
so
some
of
those
comments
that
you
all
made
earlier.
Let's
go
ahead
and
write
them
on
those
sticky
notes
and
there's
also
text
box.
If
you
prefer
and
let's
just
throw
some
things
out
there
and
then
we'll
have
an
opportunity
to
talk
about
it,.
G
O
G
J
B
F
I
married
an
english
teacher,
but
it's
still
rubbing
off.
F
P
P
Shannon
I
don't
know
what
dht
is
that
I
didn't.
C
B
C
Well,
I
think
it's
funny.
I
know
that
there's
been
a
couple
of
meetings,
I
think
there
is
one
or
two.
Perhaps
people
on
applicants
teams
that
almost
always
pronounce
his
name
vidalia.
B
I
think
you
start
with
a
v
and
you
end
in
an
and
there's
an
l
in
between
and
a
d
it's
just
natural.
B
B
Okay,
let
me
save
this
pdf
first.
B
All
right,
so
I
realized
that
some
of
you
are
probably
on
devices
where
you
can't
really
read
all
of
these.
So
what
do
you
guys
think
we
take
a
minute
and
just
kind
of
read
through
them
a
little
bit
and
then
get
any
clarification?
B
If
there
are
some
that,
maybe
we
want
to
talk
about
a
little
bit
more,
so
I
think
I
can.
I
think
I
can
read
all
of
this,
so
this
one,
let's
see
you
can't
see,
can
you
all
see
my
cursor.
B
That's
not
it
either.
Well,
I'm
just
gonna,
I
guess
I'll
just
try
to
read
through
oh
dang
it.
I've
missed
my
sorry
technology
new
here.
Let
me
do
this.
I'm
gonna
stop
sharing
the
jamboard
and
I'm
going
to
share
my
screen.
B
A
list
of
local
minority
women
and
is
that
black
owned
b-e-b
black
business
enterprise,
business
enterprise.
Thank
you.
Minority
and
women
owned
business
enterprise,
subcontractors,
vendors
to
all
zoning,
permit
applicants;
okay,
closely,
follow
and
coordinate
with
the
reparations
commission.
F
Yeah,
that
was
me-
I
mean
I
guess
just
the
group
we
heard
from
today.
I
mean.
F
Just
when
there's
projects
like
the
one
and
we
can
stuff,
I
mean
at
what
point:
does
that
board
need
to
be
asked
to
be
there
or
someone
representing
that
group
be
able
to
be
there
to
respond
to
comments
or
make
their
own
case
or
just
accurately
educate.
B
B
Brenda
you
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
I
think
our
goal
is
that
the
office
of
equity
and
inclusion
kind
of
helps
our
staff
in
in
that
equity
work
so
yeah.
So
so
we
would
go
to
them
as
as
needed
to
kind
of
like
hey
how's,
the
best
way
to
to
communicate
these
points,
or
something
like
that.
So,
okay.
B
So
this
next
one
developer
required
checklist
that
uses
the
list
from
the
gear
racial
equity
toolkit
page
seven
number
three:
what
does
the
proposal
have
the
ability
to
impact
so
we
talked
about
that
earlier,
create
public
education
materials.
I
actually
wrote
that
I
I
was
kind
of
thinking
like
almost
like
put
together.
You
know
a
road
show
and
like
offer,
hey
we're
gonna,
you
know
do
this
presentation
on
these
things.
You
know
we
can
come
to
your
community
meeting.
We
can
come
to
your
board
meeting
and
talk
about
these
efforts.
B
You
know
I
I
am
glad
somebody
put
that
down
something
that
I
wanted
to
mention
to
the
commission
related
to
this
is
starting
to
try
to
add
more
presentations
to
your
meetings,
trying
to
get
folks
from
other
departments
to
come
and
talk.
We
talked
about,
like
maybe
having
somebody
from
community
and
economic
development
come
and
talk
about
the
land,
use
incentive,
grant
application
process
and
how
that
works,
and
we
could
start
to
do
things
like
you
know,
reports
such
as
this,
so
I
think
that's
that's
a
great
suggestion.
T
And
shannon
that
was
mine,
but
I
I
think
just
even
having
all
the
materials
you
had
for
this
retreat
has
been
helpful,
reminding
we
have
done,
or
this
commission
has
done
a
lot
in
terms
of
equity
related,
but
sometimes
we
forget
how
much
has
been
done.
So
you
don't.
T
You
don't
know
that
city
council
passed
this
resolution
and
what
has
been
the
result
or
we
forget
that
we
that
there
were
was
a
lot
of
work
done,
for
you
know
the
adus
that
we
talked
about
and
but
are
we
getting
those
results
that
we
were
hoping
for,
and
so
I
think
just
even
this
is
shown
to
me.
T
Oh
yeah,
we
do
a
lot
more
and
then
you
know
I
work
with
community
development,
so
I've
done
a
table
of
all
the
affordable
housing
that
has
come
out
of
conditional
zonings,
but
we
don't
often
you
would
be
amazed
how
how
many,
how
many
units
have
come
out
of
that
process
alone,
and
so
it's
just
a
good
reminder.
I
think,
for
for
planning
zoning
commission
to
see
cumulatively
what
the
impact
so
definitely.
B
Thanks
for
that
clarification,
so
moving
on
to
the
next
post-it
note
we
have.
Can
we
enlist
dogwood
health
trust
to
help
create
a
simplified
version
of
the
gear
racial
equity
toolkit
then
back
over
to
the
left,
identify
current
barriers
in
the
udo
to
providing
affordable
housing
approvals
process,
timeline
level,
three
threshold,
buffering
requirements,
etc.
B
B
That
is
similar
to
here.
Let
me
do
this
this
one,
I
think,
on
a
personal
level,
to
fully
explore
the
meaning
of
equity,
adopting
it
as
a
value
and
embody
it
in
our
daily
living
perspectives
and
decision
making
and
then
there's
a
little
ii
added.
That's
that's
awesome.
I
love
that
continue
your
education
training
around
equitable
planning
and
zoning
practices,
requirements
of
developers
to
take
a
deeper
dive
about
their
the
impacts
of
their
projects
that
I'll
pull
that
over
there.
I
think
that's!
Those
three
are
very
related.
B
Learn
about
a
community's
history
and
what
they
feel
our
concerns
as
it
relates
to
development
activity,
engaging
can
and
other
local
groups
and
education
events
create
an
easier
process
for
the
community
to
engage
with
planning
and
sending
commission
during
and
before
meetings
giving
vadilla
a
pay
raise.
I
don't
want
that
to
go
to
his
head,
I'm
going
to
make
that
small.
B
Perform
more
data
analysis
or
look
for
sources
of
data,
and
then
I
think
somebody
added
a
suggestion:
city
office
of
data
and
yeah
the
office
of
data-
and
I
always
stumble
on
this
too
data.
And
what
sasha
do
you
know.
B
Performance
measures
or
something
like
that
yep,
we
know
what
you're
talking
about.
So,
if
we
start
to
implement
these
things,
I
think
we
may
need
to
either,
and
then
I
guess
this
is
the
continuation
have
more
time
before
meetings
to
review
materials
and
or
look
at
limiting
the
number
of
projects
per
meeting
and
have
two
meetings
a
month.
B
Well,
you
know
we'll
see.
I
think
that
we
can
do
that,
but
kind
of
like
how
we
assigned
homework
to
you
guys.
B
You
know
in
advance
of
this
retreat
if
we
had
taken
time
in
this
retreat
to
watch
the
videos
together,
we
wouldn't
have
had
as
much
time
to
discuss
so
there
are
some
strategies.
I
think
that
we
can
consider
having
the
diversity
board
groups
be.
Oh,
we
talked
about
this
one
already
consider
specific
standards
or
considerations
for
neighborhoods
more
vulnerable
to
displacement
when
looking
at
rezonings.
B
Yes,
I
think
this
is
a
fantastic
list
guys
does
anybody
have
any
other
thoughts
or
comments
about
any
of
these
sticky
notes
or
other
suggestions.
B
T
I
just
had
a
quick
question:
whoever
wrote
about
create
an
easier
process,
I'm
just
wondering
what
what
the
person
was
thinking,
what
what
could
be
made
easier.
I
know
we've
had
this
conversation
well
virtual.
The
opportunity
to
participate
virtually
continue
after
we
end
the
virtual
meetings
and
there's
a
lot
of
talk
about
how
remote
meetings
have
enabled
a
greater
diversity
of
people
to
participate.
Although
we
haven't
been
getting
as
much
participation
as
usual,
but
I
wonder
what
the
person
who
wrote
that
was
thinking
would
make
it
easier.
C
That
would
that
was
me,
and
I
was
thinking
along
those
lines,
but
also
I
mean-
and
maybe
this
goes
into
the
you
know,
education.
You
know
public
education,
materials
or
something
I
mean
it's
like.
It's
still.
I
still
feel
like
the
community
and
the
public
doesn't
know
how
to
comment
doesn't
know
how
to
reach
out
like
I
feel,
like
there's
a
small
segment,
and
then
they
just
keep
keep
bombarding
us,
but
there's
so
many
people
that
don't
know.
C
I
kind
of
hope
that
whole
mountain
express,
I
don't
know
how
many
of
you
guys,
I'm
sure
some
of
you
did
saw
that
mountain
express
development
guide.
I've
had
several
people
that
I
know
be
like
oh
wow.
This
is
great.
Like
I
look
through
there
and
you
know
it's
got
everything
listed.
So
that's
that's
what
I
was
meaning
janice.
P
And
I
will
say
that
todd-
and
I
have
been
talking
about
wanting
to
implement
like
a
community
planning
academy
which
would
kind
of
get
it.
What
you're
getting
at
is.
How
do
you
one
understanding
the
process
to
how
to
be
an
effective
advocate,
understand
what
you
can
affect
and
what
you
can't
and
then
we
also
have
people
in
the
community
who
you
know
actually
want.
P
Like
positive
development
to
help
the
community
so
trying
to
create
a
foundation
for
people
to
build
their
capacity
and
understanding
and
charlotte
has
one
we
applied
for
arpa
funds,
but
it's
really
not.
You
know.
In
the
grand
scheme
of
things
people
are
homeless
and
really
struggling,
it's
not
the
top
priority.
So,
but
it's
something
we
really
are
interested
in
doing.
C
I
mean
that
sounds
like
a
great
idea,
because
it
is,
I
mean
I
I
just
remember
when
I
was
going
to
meetings
before
I
even
got
on
the
board
like
sitting
next
to
people
and
then
being
like
what
I
never
knew
about
this,
and
how
do
I
find
out
and
I'm
like
pulling
up
on
my
phone
going
here
and
and
like
just
that,
it's
a.
I
find
it
amazing
how
many
people
are
engaged
in
the
community,
yet
don't
know
how
to
engage
it's
this
weird
dichotomy.
I
feel
like.
P
P
You
were
calling
it
a
community
planning
academy.
That's
it.
F
And-
and
I
I
can
speak
to
that
one
as
well
personally,
like
I
met
some
constituents
who
are
concerned
about
a
different
project
a
while
ago
and
they're
like
well,
how
did
you
get
on
the
board?
What
are
your
qualifications
like?
Well,
I'm
grumpy,
I
told
them.
I
was
grumpy
and
I
asked
to
be
on
the
board.
F
F
So
yeah
I
mean
if
there
is
a
better
education
resource
for
the
public,
for
not
only
for
their
education
before
you
know,
hey
if
you're
upset
about
something
or
you
have
an
opinion
on
something,
here's
the
appropriate
channels,
or
you
know
here's
how
to
get
organized
with
other
groups
here
and
here's.
Here's
can
here's
how
to
get
involved
with
them.
You
know
just
kind
of
a
playbook
on
how
to
group
your
opinions
together.
That
makes
sense.
C
G
Ahead
yeah,
I
had
a
back
seat.
I
mean
kudos
to
everyone
that
I
mean
it's
a
great
list.
I
mean
I'm
loving
every
bit
of
it.
H
You
know
just
the
the
collaboration
and
communication
here
with
open.
You
know,
transparency,
I'm.
G
Just
very
excited
about
this
list.
You
know.
H
H
Need
to
take
vacation
for
the
you
know,
equity.
You
know
inclusion
workshop
and
he
said
no,
it's
we
promote
that.
So
you
don't
have.
G
To
clock
out
so
we'll
we'll
pay
you
for
this,
but
it's
it's
good
to
hear
that
and
let
them
know
that
I'm
you
know.
H
You
know
on
a
mix
of
you
know,
trying
to.
B
Awesome,
that's
neat
that
your
employer
is
giving
you
that,
hopefully
that
happens
more
and
more
okay.
Well,
I've
got
one
last
request
so
now
that
we
have
all
of
our
sort
of
ideas
out,
it's
I'm
not
saying
that
we
are
going
to
only
take
the
top
ranked
ones,
but
I'd
be
curious
to
know
which
of
these
recommendations
you
you
all
would
be
most
interested
in
in
prioritizing.
B
So
if
I
could,
does
everybody
still
have
access
to
the
to
the
jamboard?
Now
I
know
jennifer,
you
said
you
don't
you're
on
a
tablet.
Anybody
else
not
on
a
pc.
C
B
The
chat,
that's
what
I
was
going
to
suggest.
So
what
I'd
like
to
maybe
ask
you
all
to
consider
is
so
you
see
the
little
circle
icon
here.
Imagine
that's
your
little
your
dot,
so
we're
gonna
do
the
dot
exercise
where
you
can
kind
of
drag
a
dot
onto.
O
T
T
Q
B
Okay,
didn't
see
anybody
say
yes,
so
I
think
we're
good
all
right
guys.
Let
me
before
I
forget,
I
better
download
pdf.
B
B
B
All
right,
so
now
is
the
time
for
us
to
kind
of
wrap
up.
So
I
think
this
exercise
has
helped
identify
what
could
be
some
some
key
priorities
and
I
guess,
as
now's
opportunity
to
talk
about
next
steps.
So
I
know
from
a
staff
perspective,
we've
already
kind
of
highlighted
some
of
the
things
that
we've
been
discussing
internally,
including
looking
at
other
examples
for
other
ways
to
incorporate
more
analysis
into
our
staff
reports,
and
it
seems
like
there's,
there's
good
support
for
that.
B
So
I
think
one
thing
that
we
could
consider
doing
is
at
upcoming
planning
zoning
commission
meetings
before
you
get
into
the
business
part
of
your
agenda.
Looking
at
applications,
we
could
have
like
short
presentation
opportunities
and
we
could
start
to
look
at
like
here's.
What
staff's
thinking
in
terms
of
how
to
you
know,
redo
our
staff
reports
or
how
to
add
some
more
analysis.
B
Maybe
it's
a
separate
attachment,
or
you
know
I
don't
know,
but
we
can
go
over
all
of
that
in
these
presentations
with
the
commission,
and
then
we
talked
about
bringing
in
others
for
presentations
as
well.
B
B
F
I
love
the
idea
of
ongoing
education,
even
if
we're
allowed
to
include
that
into
meetings.
You
know
if
they're,
if
it
was
short
and
sweet
in
a
five
minute,
blurb
a
public
service
announcement.
If
you
will,
because
there's
caller
in
there's
other
people
and
parties
sitting
there
listening
and
waiting-
and
you
know-
maybe
a
term
comes
up-
they
haven't
heard
like
redlining
or
something.
And
so,
if
you
started
a
meeting
off,
you
know
hey
welcome
here.
B
C
Well-
and
I
think
too,
you
know
the
idea
that
I'm
trying
I'm
looking
at
the
list,
I
don't
I
swear.
I
think
there
was
something
on
on
one
of
the
sticky
notes
about
like
materials
that
the
developer
could
use
so
like
if
someone
comes
with
something
about
hit,
learning
the
history
of
a
community
or
yeah
like
if
a
developer
is
going
into
the
south
side,
hey
here's
some
homework
for
you
guys
before
you
even
like
this
is
part
of
the
initial
staff
meeting.
C
P
C
E
C
How?
Because
I
think
it
was
brenton
that
brought
up
the
idea
of
you
know
bringing
them
in,
for
you
know
some
of
the
the
proposals,
some
of
our
meetings.
What
is
our,
I
don't
know
really
how
to
how
to
word
it.
But
what
is
our
ability
to
say
reach
out
to
them
like
if
we
have
questions
like
like
with
the
haywood
street
project,
I
mean
there
was
a
lot
of
just
like
as
it
came
up.
There
were
a
lot
of
just
really
ridiculous
comments,
and
it's
like
how
do
we
deal
with
this?
D
C
Of
comments
coming
through
in
the
meeting
itself-
and
I
think
you
know
I
I
didn't
really
know
I
mean
I
knew
brenda-
was
there-
I
didn't
really
know
marcus
was
there,
but
you
know
in
hindsight
it
would
have
been.
Maybe
nice
if
I
could
have
said
hey,
would
you
guys
preview
what
I'm
proposing
to
to
mention
just
to
kind
of
set
the
stage?
Does
that
make
sense?
What
I'm
asking
I
see
marcus
is
back
in
so.
P
P
Program
we
just
we
lost
jeremy
lett
at
the
end
of
november,
but
I
don't
know
if
marcus
has
any
thoughts
about
that
I
mean,
but
we
do.
We
do
have
to
be
protective
of
their
time
because
they're
also
there's
probably
a
hundred
people
saying.
Can
you
come?
Please
look
at
this.
E
Yes,
so
I
call
it
the
very
tail
end
of
that
that
joe
did
you
rephrase
it
for
me.
C
I
was
just
curious
as
to
how
much
planing
and
zoning
as
a
commission
may
be
able
to
inquire
with
you.
If
we
had
questions
about
dei
things
related
to
projects
that
came
through
I'll,
just
reduce
it
way
down.
E
Great
great,
I
will
say
this:
we
are
we
as
a
collective
department
are.
We
are
fully
committed
to
responding
to
those,
especially
who
are
actively
seeking.
Overall
goal
is
to
be
of
service
to
everyone
right
in
a
very
methodical
way,
but
when
you
have
those
direct
questions
and
those
immediate
needs,
we
want
to
address
those
as
quickly
as
possible
to
provide
a
framework
and
support
in
the
decision
making.
So
at
this
stage
of
the
game,
I
highly
encourage
you
to
reach
out
to
us
when
those
moments
present
themselves.
F
Yeah,
I
was
just
going
along
the
kind
of
same
thought
lines.
You
were
joe,
and
you
know
I
I
I
know
the
members
of
that
department,
their
staff
members
as
well
they're.
F
They
got
more
places
they
can
be
at
once,
but
it
would
have
been
wonderful
to
have
someone
like
that.
If
we
knew
it
was
going
to
be
a
hot
button
issue
meeting
to
have
someone
there
to
be
like
hey.
Well,
we
have
a
member
of
xboard
here
you
know,
can
we
can
we
divert
that
question
to
them
or
clean
sound
or
on
the
vice
note?
If
they
can't
be
there,
you
know,
can
we
get
just
a
few
written
statements
or
I
mean
maybe
some?
I
need
to
educate
my
self
veterans
as
well.
B
I
want
to
be
careful
that
like,
and
maybe
this
is
why
marcus
raised
his
hand,
so
I'm
gonna,
let
him
jump
in
after
me.
One
be
careful
that
we
understand
what
the
role
of
the
office
of
equity
and
inclusion
is
like:
they're,
not
really
there
to
help
educate
like
the
pub.
B
Well,
I
mean
they
are,
but
not
in
that
way,
not
not
like
in
a
public
meeting,
and
I
think
really,
the
goal
is
to
try
to
get
all
of
us
informed
so
that
we
have
that
knowledge
and
we
can
respond
to
those
and
we
don't
need
a
you
know,
somebody
who
might
come
in
as
like
a
perceived
expert
on
this
subject,
I
think,
being
strategic
and
garnering
their
support
and
input
like
like
in
this
retreat.
B
This
is
like
this
is
a
wonderful
way
to
take
advantage
of
the
staff
in
the
office
of
equity
and
inclusion
to
kind
of
help
facilitate
conversation,
but
they
they
don't
have
the
answers
to
whether
or
not
a
project
should
be
approved
or
not
or
right.
You
know
right,
you
all
are
the
experts
on
that
you're
you're
the
advisory
body,
so
it's
just
helping.
E
No,
no,
you
did.
You
did
very
well.
I
was
gonna.
I
was
gonna
speak
to
that
and
I
was
also
was
going
to
say
that
within
our
department,
each
of
us
specialize
in
a
particular
area.
So
my
specialty
is
in
fact
training
and
then
we
have
community
engagement
and
then
we
have
the
research
data
analyst.
So
that
is
the
makeup
of
the
department.
C
And
I
think,
maybe
maybe
because
you
did
miss
it
marcus,
maybe
maybe
I
should
clarify
what
I
was
getting
at
a
little
bit
more
and
perhaps
this
is
based
on.
You
know
your
direct
role
as
training.
You
know
the
the
example
I
brought
up
was
the
haywood
street
one.
You
know
I
was
very
intentional
before
we
just
as
as
the
commission
started
discussing
that
project,
because
we
had
gotten
some
very
I'll
say
inflammatory
comments
about
the
project.
I
was
very
intentional
to
lay
out
beforehand.
C
You
know
what
were
what
we
were
reviewing,
what
kinds
of
of
comments
and
language
that
that
we
just
weren't
going
to
tolerate,
and
so
I
was
trying
to
essentially
set
a
tone,
because
I
was
concerned
that
it
may
go
a
different
direction.
We've
had
some
contentious
meetings
before
and
I
didn't
want
it
to
get
to
that
point,
and
so
you
know
in
hindsight
for
me
in
in
my
still
evolving
process.
C
That's
something
where
I'm
not
completely
comfortable
with
that,
and
it's
also
you
know
how
much
do
I
lean
on
staff
or
is
it
something
that
I
would
be
able
to
say,
hey
marcus?
Maybe
you
and
I
could
sit
down
for
30
minutes
and
kind
of
walk
me
through
a
few
points
about.
If
these
things
comes
up,
here's
how
to
deflect
things
does
that
make
sense.
Is
that
a
little
better
clarifying
of
of
kind
of
where
I
was
going.
E
That
that
does
make
sense,
and
I
will
preface
that
by
saying
that
our
front
load,
our
front
load
capacity
and
energy
is
to
fully
equip
the
staff
with
the
understanding,
with
the
tools
with
the
skills
with
the
resources,
so
that
whenever
we
have
our
collective
commission
meetings
and
we're
sitting
down
that
those
issues
can
be
addressed
and
and
that
the
staff
can
properly
provide
that
support
when
needed.
E
If
outside
of
that
arena,
and
it's
still
not
able
to
be
addressed
in
a
timely
manner
or
sufficient
manner,
then
I
extend
that
and
say
yes,
reach
out,
say:
hey,
listen,
have
a
question
about
this
or
we're
unsure
about
this
and
just
wanted
to
get
some
feedback
and
input.
C
C
You
know
I
mean,
certainly
this
is
kind
of
the
last
we're
wrapping
up
here
I
mean,
if
anybody
has
anything
they
want
to
add
or
any
other
takeaways.
I
think
you
know
certainly
shannon
sasha
marcus.
C
You
know
we're
done
with
any
kind
of
presentations
or
any
formal
discussion,
but
if
there's
any
other
any
other
topics-
or
you
know-
comments
around
this-
that
any
of
the
commissioners
want
to
bring
up.
This
is
the
time
so
yeah,
don't
don't
feel
like
you
have
to
raise
your
hand
or
anything.
L
I'll
offer
just
a
you
know
where
my
mind's
been
at.
This
has
been
really
great.
I
appreciate
all
the
staff
and
fellow
commissioners
insights
on
all
this.
I
I
think
where
I'm
at
is
that
you
know
this
is
huge
and
this
the
scale
of
the
challenge
shouldn't
be
something
that
scares
us.
L
You
know
we
really
need
to
attack
this
and
I
think
nibbling
at
the
edges
and
patting
ourselves
on
the
back
for
small
moves
when
the
scale
is
so
huge
can
can
be
a
little
unproductive.
So
I
I
would
challenge
us
to
to
be
bold,
be
really
intentional
and
you
know
not
settle
for
small
wins
when
there's
some
really
big
stuff,
we
need
to
be
tackling.
So
that's
just
that's
my
personal
thinking
on
where
we're
at
it's
going
to
be
really
hard.
B
B
F
I'd
just
like
to
thank
all
the
staff,
real
quick.
I
know
that
you
all
work
really
hard.
I
am
out
of
town
or
I've
been
here
eight
years,
but
I
moved
here
and
part
of
the
reason
I
moved
here
was
because
of
the
inclusion
of
multiple
communities
in
the
asheville
area
and
and
that
drew
me
to
this
town
as
an
out-of-towner,
even
though
I'm
from
north
carolina,
I'm
still
not
a
local
per
se,
but
you
know
that
work
is
noticeable
from
communities
outside
of
this.
F
So
what
you're
doing
you
know
is
certainly
hurt,
and
I
appreciate
that
and
I'm
gonna
be
cheesy
and
give
you
one
quote
real,
quick
that
always
that
always
brings
me
joy,
margaret
mead.
Never
doubt
the
that
a
small
group
of
thoughtful
committed
citizens
can
change
the
world.
Indeed,
is
the
only
thing
that
ever
has
so
that
that
quote
always
helps
me
a
lot.
Thank
you.
C
Thanks
brenton
one
real,
quick
too,
I
wanted
to
mention
and
shannon
sasha.
I
guess
this
is
also
a
somewhat
of
a
question
for
you
as
we
start
to
look
at
these
things,
and
you
know,
look
at
the
dots
and
the
key
points
that
we
want
to
focus
on,
and
you
know
you
mentioned
potentially
having
some
focus
groups
and
there
might
be
some
collaboration
with
some
other
commissions.
You
know
there's
one
that
got
noted
on
here:
there's
no
dots
but
identifying
current
barriers
in
the
u.d.o
to
affordable
housing.
C
C
Good
linkages
there
that
could
be
had
to
really
you
know,
maybe
create
a
joint
focus
group
that
that
tries
to
look
at
those
and
and
certainly
look
at
some
of
these
equity
issues
as
well,
together
with
some
of
these
other
commissions.
So.
B
T
Just
before
we
wrap
up
I'm
sorry
shannon
during
your
presentation,
I
posted
something
in
the
chat.
I
just
wanted
you
all
to
be
aware
of
the
north
carolina
bar
association's
zoning
planning
and
land
use
I'll,
send
the
link
again,
but
this
it's
a
cle
and
you
probably
many
of
you
won't
want
to
attend,
but
I
thought
you
might
find
it
interesting
to
see
the
topics
that
are
covered.
This
is
equity
and
inclusion
in
land
use
planning
and
the
law.
T
This
is
at
the
state
level
and
sometimes
because
equity
inclusion
is
such
a
large
topic,
it's
hard
to
say.
Well,
you
know
where,
where
are
we
focusing
on
this?
So
this
has
a
number
of
of
sessions
in
it
and
our
own
todd,
oakland
chaney
is
going
to
be
speaking
with
raleigh's
planning
director
on
addressing
the
missing
middle,
to
create
more
diversity
in
housing.
T
P
C
E
Yes,
I
was
going
to
say
really
briefly
on
behalf
of
myself
and
the
equine
inclusion
department
truly
enjoyed
being
present
with
you
all
here
today.
Engage
in
this
conversation
and
look
forward
to
being
of
service
in
the
future.
B
C
Appreciate
it
yeah
thanks
for
thanks,
very
much
marcus
and
and
give
our
thanks
to
brenda
as
well.
I
knew
she
had
to
to
time
out
and
aaron
thank
you
for
being
here
as
well
and
and
janice
and
and
and
avery,
for
you
know,
dealing
with
all
the
I.t
stuff
and
obviously
all
my
fellow
commissioners.
You
know,
I
think,
as
vadilla
said
it
earlier.
You
know
it's
kind
of
being
daring
and
and
taking
some
of
these
risks,
and
you
know
jeffrey,
you
mentioned
it
too.
C
You
know,
we've
got
a,
it
is
a
huge
huge,
huge
hurdle
and,
and
you
know
it
does
take
a
kind
of
big
risk
to
just
dive
in
and
and
try
to
make.
You
know
even.
C
And
to
try
to
figure
out
what
to
change
or
what
to
do
about
it.
So
with
that
you
know,
I
will
just
kind
of
mention
you
know
again
anybody
who's
watching
anybody
who
watches
this
in
the
future.
Hopefully
you
know
this
is
this
shows
you
that
we
are
as
a
commission
as
a
department,
the
planning
department,
you
know,
as
a
city
working
on
these
issues
very
much
and
you
know
certainly
are-
are
doing
what
we
can
to
try
to
move
the
needle
to
move
the
needle
forward
to
make
asheville
a
better
community.
C
So
with
that
we're
we're
done
with
the
retreat
and
again
I
said
it
last
night,
I've
got
to
say
it
again.
This
is
this
is
shannon's
last
meeting
with
us,
so
thank
you.
C
Thank
you,
shane
over
all
the
years,
there's
got
to
be
a
party
for
you
at
some
point.
C
So
all
right
thanks,
everybody
have
a
great
afternoon.
Hopefully
you
can
get
outside
and
enjoy
it
like
jennifer
has
been
this
afternoon,
so
I'm
playing.