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B
A
A
I
will
introduce
each
agenda
item
to
facilitate
this
meeting,
to
help
our
audience
follow
along
all
committee
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually
today
and
we
are
streaming
live
on
our
virtual
engagement
hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city
website,
and
also
on
the
noise
advisory
board
page
for
those
of
you
that
are
out
there
with
us
today
welcome.
A
I
will
now
go
through
and
introduce
all
the
board
members
who
will
be
participating
virtually
please
make
sure
to
mute
your
microphone.
If
you
are
not
speaking
when
you
have
a
question
or
you
would
like
to
speak,
please
unmute
your
microphone
board
members.
As
I
call
your
name.
Please
acknowledge
your
presence.
A
He
was
here,
hopefully,
he'll,
be
back
a
new
creshon,
not
present
carmelo
pompoloni
papalonio.
F
D
A
Hi
chris
thanks
for
being
here,
okay,
so
our
first
order
of
business
is
going
to
be
the
approval
of
last
meetings
minutes.
Hopefully,
everyone
has
had
an
opportunity
to
take
a
look
at
those.
H
A
F
B
F
Yeah
perfect,
so
everybody
sees
this
ahead
of
time
and
once
again,
as
we've
done
in
the
past,
well,
hello,
everybody
hope
everyone's
had
a
great
month
with
the
numbers
that
or
we
always
report
monthly.
B
Be
a
better
way
or
if
you
can't
understand
the
way,
the
the
way
we're
sending
out
the
report.
Just
let
us
know
with
any
feedback,
but
I
think
the
numbers
are
pretty
straightforward.
The
only
thing
we're
really
making
notes
on
or
anything
that's
either
usually
substantial
or
something
that
really
pops
out.
B
Obviously
it's
where
it
is
the
season
it's
a
spring
and
summer,
so
the
amount
of
complaints
received
have
increased
since
the
last
month,
but
things
that
are
just
pretty
much
more
significant
are
the
business
operations
which
of
course,
bars
and
restaurants
would
fall
into
that
in
performance
centers.
So,
as
you
can
see,
we
received
40
30
complaints
for
the
last
month,
but
over
to
the
right
on
the
further
notes:
you'll
notice
that
four
of
those
complaints
came
from
one
of
the
outdoor
venues
and
they're.
B
Actually
both
of
them
are
for
outdoor
venues.
So
almost
half
of
the
complaints
were
for
those.
It
is
important
to
know
that
staff
was
out
there
for
both
of
those
events
throughout
the
month
and
then
we
did
take
decibel
readings
and
then
they
were
within
their
decibel
readings.
B
There
were
no
violations
so
once
again,
as
always
with
any
of
the
categories,
even
if
there
is
a
call
or
a
complaint
that
doesn't
necessarily
mean
that
there's
a
violation
but
staff
was
out
there
because
we're
trying
to
be
more
proactive
than
reactive
on
a
lot
of
these.
Just
as
this
past
weekend,
haley
and
I
were
out
on
saturday-
and
it's
we
pretty
much
hopped
around
the
entire
city
for
a
few
hours,
pretty
much.
We
felt
like
storm
chasers,
but
luckily
we
were
out
there
just
monitoring
events
further
down.
B
We
actually
have
some
sound
accedents.
Actually,
the
rabbit
rabbit
was
a
sound
exceedance.
Permit
event.
We
also
had
some
permitted
city
events,
so,
like
hemp
fest
was
out
there,
we
received
actually
a
few
just
a
few
complaints,
for
that
seem
to
be
from
the
same
from
the
same
building
and
from
the
same
office.
So
but
we
still
categorize
them
as
individual
complaints
come
in,
but
we
do
notice
the
address
and
the
phone
numbers,
but
once
again
we
were
out
there
for
emphasis.
B
So
we
were
there
and
I
believe,
ben
woody
joined
us
on
one
day.
I'm
gonna
walk
them
out
for
hemp
fest,
but
they
they
were,
they
were
in
compliance,
they
did
pretty
good.
They
alternated
stages
back
and
forth.
First
day
was
a
little
tricky.
I
think
it
was
more
of
a
setup
thing,
but
then
the
the
other
days
it
was
either
the
main
stage
or
the
middle
yeah
bus,
dj
stage
type.
F
B
But
other
than
that
it's
been,
it's
been
good
to
be
proactive
and
out
in
the
field
and
and
if
we
do
get
a
complaint
we
can
easily
respond
to.
If
we
were
there
or
what
happened
so
does
anybody
have
any
questions
on
any
of
the
trends
or
the
complaints
that
have
come
in.
H
Just
one
observation
daniel,
I
was
home
during
those
concerts
from
robert
rabbit
and
they
were
layout,
which
you
know.
I
have
always
questioned
that
the
exceedance
levels
that
were
targeted
by
the
city
are
probably
too
high.
Even
to
the
point
that
I
started
researching,
you
know
acoustical
sound
absorption
walls
that
you
know
could
maybe
be
considered
in
that
you
know.
Obviously
they
aren't
going
to
shut
down.
H
H
Actually,
this
acoustical
walling
system,
which
maybe
you
and
and
and
carlos
can
take
or
carmela,
can
take
a
look
at
that
and
see
if
it's
something
worth
considering
for
noise
abatement,
because
I
I'll
just
tell
you
you
know.
In
the
month
of
june
we
got
30
events,
you
know
that
are
being
scheduled
and
I
think
rabbit
rabbit
has
about
13
or
so,
which
will
be
pretty
large.
H
A
couple
of
them,
I
think,
pretty
large
gatherings
and
that
noise
travels
right
up
the
street,
so
nothing's
changed
there
and
I
would
like
to
at
least
see
us
consider
some
mitigation
techniques
that
could
be
advanced
to
the
city
council.
B
C
How
fast
was
no
it's
cbd.
G
G
C
Because
yeah
so
public
property
in
general,
a
sidewalk
hasn't,
does
not
have
a
zoning.
Designation
and
a
city
on
property
predominantly
does
have
have
a
zoning
designation
of
some
sort.
G
G
G
B
G
Expecting
a
decline
because
of
the
hard
work
you're
doing
you
know
when
we
look
at
these
numbers
and
we
see
61
and
52
of
them
are
multi-family
it.
B
Where
someone
is,
he
either
been
evicted
due
to
their
violations
or
so
and,
of
course,
we're
not
privy
to
that
information,
because
that
they
can't
give
that
to
us,
but
the
people
that
used
to
call
the
complaints
that
were
always
calling
either
apd
directly
on
time.
Now
they
work
directly
with
the
managers,
because
every
property
has
their
own
rules
and
regulations
on
what
they
need
for
a
noise
disturbance,
and
the
managers
have
been
really
good
with
doing
that.
B
As
a
matter
of
fact,
even
just
this
morning,
we
have
all
new
ones
that
we've
never
seen
before
so
and
we're
also
seeing
in
the
apd
logs,
where
they're
saying,
depending
on
the
type
of
noise
dispatch,
is
advising
you
need
to
get
in
touch
with
noise,
and
then
we
follow
up
with
with
all
of
them
and
sometimes
there's
situations
that
it's
not
a
noise
disturbance.
It's
somebody
heard
gunshots
next
door.
Okay,
that
goes
beyond
noise,
someone's
getting
shot,
they
do
have
to
call
apd.
C
I
do
think
rick
that
we
are
seeing
less
repeated
as
daniel
said
less
of
the
same
phone
number
or
the
same
complainant
address,
so
those
addresses
those
those
complaints
are
being
addressed
with
a
collaboration
with
ourselves
and
the
the
property
managers.
C
We
do
have
a
couple
of
complainants
that
continue
to
complain,
and
so
it's
not
exclusive
that
that
that's
happened,
and
there
are
a
variety
of
reasons
for
that
which
I
I
won't
get
into
right
now,
and
I
do
think
that
what
we
are
seeing
an
increase
of
in
the
last
month,
particularly,
is
the
the
parking
lots
of
of
apartment
complexes.
C
Cars.
That's
that's
a
big
thing,
and
that
is
definitely
as
the
warmer
months
are
starting
to
come
up,
and
you
know
cars
playing
music
people
gathering
in
parking
lots.
So
that's
still
coming
in
and
being
recorded
as
a
residential
complaint.
So
you
know
in
order
to
really
have
about
in
order
to
really
get
to
grips
with
whether
these
are
actually
declining
or
not.
C
We
would
have
to
just
really
take
a
much
deeper
dive
into
those
numbers
and
I
definitely
have
noticed
an
increase
in
these
revving
engines,
and
you
hear
that
you
read
the
description
and
apd
reports
based
music
coming
from
you
know:
groups
of
youths
in
a
parking
lot
drinking
that
type
of
thing,
so
I
I
do
think
that
you
know
their
swings
and
roundabouts
seasonally
with
the,
but
this
for
certain
we
are
continuing
to
work
very
hard
with
the
the
property
managers
to
address
these.
C
You
know,
obviously,
when
we
get
a
complaint
and
we
don't
even
know
who
the
tenant
is
in
that
situation.
Nor
have
we
any
way
to
find
that
out
because
they're
not
at
liberty
to
even
disclose
that
to
us,
so
so
continuing
to
work
with
it.
I
think
it's
shifted
slightly
now
because
of
some
seasonal
factors
and
warmer
weather.
I
think
it's
it.
It
would
take
us
a
a
very,
very
big
dive
at
this
point
to
really
pull
apart
all
of
those
residential.
C
So
I
can't
give
you
any
more
than
that
at
this
moment,
but
I
do
know
that
we
definitely
have
seen
a
reduction
in
what
we
started
with
with
continuous
complaints
of
being
able
to
work
with
those
properties
and
property
managers
and
and
they're.
There
are
courtesy
officers
to
be
able
to
actually
stop
noise
in
the
moment
very
often,.
G
So
thanks
for
the
data
and
and
the
thoughts,
I
I
keep
on
coming
back
to
our
charter,
which
is
reducing
the
whole
purpose
of
the
noise
ordnance,
and
the
advisory
board
is
to
reduce
unwanted
noise
and
since
the
residential
noise
source
is
the
highest
number
of
all
of
them,
it
just
seems
like.
G
D
G
And
hence
you
might
conclude
that
it
we're
not
actually
having
an
impact
on
reducing
the
noise.
G
You
know,
I
guess
what
I'm
trying
to
say
is.
I
I
think
you
guys
are
pulling
on
the
knobs
and
and
things
that
you
can
find
and
and
trying
to
do
the
right
thing.
I
just
I'm
not
just
wondering
when
the
numbers
are
gonna
actually
confirm
that
it's
working
and
if
the
numbers
aren't
confirming
that
it's
working
then
the
question
is:
is
it
up
to
us
to
advise
city
council
on
a
revision,
or
is
it
because
I
know
we're
not
supposed
to
be
given
staff
direction?
B
G
Daniel,
what's
our
charter?
What's
the
purpose
of
a
noise
ordinance,
it's
to
reduce
unnecessary
noise
and
apartment
complexes,
are
the
largest
source
of
noise,
complaints
and
costs
to
the
city
and
and
damage
to
residents
in
those
things.
So
if
you
weren't
trying
to
institute
processes
to
reduce
those,
you
wouldn't
have
approached
the
management
of
those
apartment
buildings
and
made
them
aware
of
what
the
ordinance
was
and
worked
on
getting
rid
of
the
not
getting
rid
of,
but
educating
the
people
who
complain
over
and
over
again.
So
if.
G
Not
your
job,
you,
don't
you
don't
feel
it's
your
job
to
be
trying
to
work
to
reduce
these
complaints,
then
that's
that
clarifies
for
me
what
your
goal
is.
I
guess.
F
B
That's
not
what
was
said
it
and
the
point
of
a
property
manager
that
that
is
part
of
their
job.
They
do
have
to
respond
to
the
complaints
of
their
tenants,
so
that
is
part
of
their
job
and
in
order
to
be
efficient,
considering
there's
only
two
of
us
in
the
field
we
have
to
divide
and
conquer,
and
if
we
found
of
the,
how
many
did
we
meet
40
or
whatever
property
managers
which
do
a
great
job?
That
is
part
of
their
job
responsibility.
G
B
So
no
one's
saying
it's
not
it's
not
my
job.
My
part
of
my
job
is
just
to
trying
to
find
a
way
of
saying.
How
can
we
address
this?
Considering
there's
two
of
us:
if
there
was
60
of
us
hey,
maybe
we
have
a
different
solution,
but
the
fact
that
there's
two
of
us,
I
say,
hey,
what's
a
good
way,
we
can
get
these
people
involved
and
the
managers
are
great
with
it.
B
So
as
of
right
now,
I
have
to
find
the
most
efficient
way
concerning
there's
only
me
inside
saturday
and
even
on
a
weekend.
Maybe
just
one
of
us
is
out
in
the
field,
so
we
have
to
prioritize.
We
get
we
get
at
the
moment,
complaints
about,
say
a
bar
or
outdoor
performance.
Well,
we
have
to
go
around
to
that.
We
are
like
storm
chasers,
pretty
much
on
the
weekend
and.
G
G
Property
management
yeah,
but
but
that
was
we
knew
that
two
people
couldn't
track
down
every
source
of
noise
in
a
hundred
apartments,
and
so
the
strategy
was
we're,
build
the
relationships,
we're
going
to
get
these
good
things
happening
with
the
management
and
we're
going
to
stay
on
top
of
them.
When
they're
not
succeeding
in
getting
stuff
done
and
then,
ultimately,
we
could
warn
them
and
find
them,
and
that
was
how
we're
going
to
amplify
the
limited
number
of
resources
we're
going
to
have
for
enforcement.
D
I
Know
everyone
understands
the
fact
that
it's
just
a
two-person
team
and
that's
that's
true
rick.
I
do
agree
with
you
that
we
need
to
find
a
way
to
hold
some
accountability
to
property
management
and
property
owners
in
that
sense
for
these
communities
you
know,
but
you
know-
and
I
agree
and
support
with
our
charter,
but
we
have
to
remember
it
doesn't
exist
in
the
vacuum.
I
You
know
situations
will
come
up
all
of
the
time
we're
going
to
have
to
be
dealing
with
this
all
the
time.
We
have
to
remember
that,
and
it's
not
just
a
pure,
eliminate
the
numbers
game.
It
is,
you
know
grenier
and
daniel
they're,
already
being
extremely
proactive.
I
So
I
don't
know
if
we're
talking
about
you
know
going
to
the
city
and
asking
for
a
team
of
people
like
daniel
had
mentioned
before.
If
there
was
a
team
of
people
they
can
handle
this
a
lot
better.
I
So
is
that
what
we're
asking
at
this
point
to
create
a
team,
because
these
two
people
are
working
very
hard
and
are
extremely
taxed
and
are
working
at
odd
hours
and
again
being
proactive
to
take
a
community
approach
to
sound
for
where
it's
concerned
for
businesses
and
and
and
sound
where
it's
concerned
for
for
neighbors
and
residents
in
terms
from
neighbor
to
neighbor.
I
So
you
know
how
do
we
fix
that
and
how
do
we
support
them?
And
how
do
we
make
a
recommendation
as
a
board
to
support
these
staff
members
that
are
already
taxed
as
it
is?
And
and
again
I
want
to?
I
want
to
go
back
to
the
fact
that
I
support
the
charter,
I'm
with
you
on
that,
but
it
won't
exist
in
a
vacuum.
I
So
we
have
to
find
that
place
where
we
understand
that
and
that
this
is
constantly
going
to
be
some
moving
parts
here
and
we're
never
going
to
have
a
full
resolve,
and
I
don't
think
you
know
coming
up
with
an
extremely
restrictive
policy
is
going
to
eliminate
all
of
that.
So
that's
just
my
two
cents.
There.
A
I
I
just
also
want
to
add
that
you
know
it
would
be
interesting.
I'd
love
to
know.
If
you
all
have
this
answer,
how
many
multi-family
apartments
do
we
actually
have
in
asheville,
because
when
we're
talking
about,
we
know
we're,
never
gonna
eliminate
noise
completely
in
multi-family
apartments.
It's
just
not
gonna
happen.
That's
part
of
living
right
next
to
someone
else
versus
living
in
your
own
home.
A
You
know
what
I
mean
with
having
thin
walls
and-
and
I
think
yes,
brick-
there
are
some
things
that
we
can
do,
especially
in
making
recommendations
going
forward
and
especially
when
it
comes
to
to
to
building
and
and
what's
required
of
people
building
things,
but
I
think,
having
a
realist,
realistic
expectation
of
not
just
cutting
the
numbers
but
is,
is
if
61
calls.
How
many
is
that
10
of
the
amount
of
multi-family
apartments
that
there
are?
Is
that
five
percent?
A
A
C
So,
charlie,
I
think,
was
next-
I
I
can
respond
to
that
jessica
if
you
would
like-
and
I
would
just
have
two
two
other
comments
to
this-
obviously
we're
breaking
down
the
ordinance
right
now.
Residential
will
be
one.
That's
going
to
take
a
big
big,
a
lot
of
work
for
us
to
actually
get
into
that
data
and
look
at
and
present
it
to
you
there.
There
are
two
other
points
I
would
make.
We
have
67
apartment
complexes
that
we
are
aware
of
within
city
limits
right
now.
So
that's
that's!
C
That's
a
lot
of
apartment
complexes.
Many
of
them
have
between
you
know.
Some
of
them
have
six
apartments.
Some
of
them
have
200
apartments
in
them
and
the
the
bigger
issue
is
is
multi-family
and
residential
living
is
always
going
to
generate
this.
That
people
are
living
in
close,
closer
quarters.
I
do
stand
by
what
we're
saying
is
that
we're
seeing
less
of
that
repeated
from
the
the
same
names,
the
same
phone
numbers?
The
other
thing
that
I
think
we
just
want
to
remember
and
again.
C
This
is
something
we
can
discuss
as
we
get
into
residential
and
more
detail.
I
think
we
need
a
lot
longer
than
seven
eight
months
of
data
to
be
able
to
to
tackle
this,
but
there
is
a
newness
of
proof
on
us
here,
and
so
you
know
somebody
calling
and
saying
somebody's
making
noise.
I
can
issue
a
citation
to
either
another
tenant
or
to
a
property
manager.
Based
on
that
we
have.
We
have
a
burden
of
proof
here.
C
C
We
have
issued
a
warning
just
the
week
before
last
on
a
residential
property
that
we've
had
ongoing
noise
with
we're
now
at
a
point
that
I've
reached
back
out
to
the
the
folks
who
have
reported
this,
either
through
apd
or
directly
to
us,
and
now
I'm
at
a
point
where
we
we
need
some
sort
of,
because
we
issued
the
written
warning.
We
I
now
need
something
in
the
form
of
a
video
in
order
to
issue
that
citation.
So
it's
it's
on
paper.
C
C
So
if
we
don't
have
it
really
well,
our
due
diligence
done
in
a
well
and
and
proper
and
fair
and
equitable
way,
then
there's
no
point
in
in
getting
to
that
citation
stage.
So
those
are
are
just
a
couple
other
extras
that
I
wanted
to
throw
into
actually
how
this
works
and
when
you
look
at
those
numbers-
and
there
is
going
to
be
a
seasonal,
seasonal
adjustment
with
residential,
it's
it.
That
is
very
much
a
trend
that
we're
going
to
see.
A
H
What
I
wanted
to
point
out
and
I'll
I'll
kind
of
gravitate
a
little
bit
back
to
where
rick
was
coming
from,
is
that
you
know-
and
I
come
from
the
same
world
outcomes-
are
what
we're
going
to
be
judged
on,
and
you
know
daniel
and
grenier
can
do
2000
investigations
or
2
500.
But
if
we
don't
have
a
marked
measurement
that
says
it
worked,
then
we
can
only
conclude
that
it
didn't
work
to
your
question.
H
Jessica
I
mean
mari
blue
is
getting
ready
to
put
225
dorm
rooms
if
you
will
on
aston
street,
in
addition
to
the
the
building
they're
going
to
put
next
to
the
hot
spot,
and
you
know
so
with
225,
more
close
proximity
residents
in
200
square
foot
units
that's
going
to
create
more
tension.
Obviously,
in
the
you
know,
apartment
style
complex,
so
we
do
need
to
figure
out
a
way.
You
know,
I
think,
to
determine
the
measurements.
H
You
know
pick
a
measurement
that
we
think
is
effective
and
then
I
think
that's
what
the
council
would
look
for
if
we
went
back
to
them
and
said
okay,
what
have
you
found?
What
did
work,
what
didn't
work,
etc,
and
why
are
you
proposing
what
you're
proposing
so
I
I
think
that's
what
everybody's
getting
at
and
I
I
would
concur
with
that.
We
really
need
to
kind
of
focus
on
on
the
outcome.
A
You
know
basically
being
proactive
with
these
property
managers,
but
I
think
be
getting
an
understanding
of
just
you
know
when
we
get
to
the
residential
presentation
for
the
ordinance.
I
I
really
look
forward
to
that,
because
you
know
I
just
I
feel
like
I
personally
don't
have
a
good
grasp
on
that
and
what
that
looks
like
and
so
what
and
what
to
make
that
measurement
of
success
right
instead
of
it.
Just
being
just
about
the
numbers,
what
are
those
other
things
that
we're
going
to
look
at
that
are
going
to
be?
A
Show
us
what's
been,
we
where
we've
succeeded
so
yeah
charlie,
I
mean
rick.
G
You
pick
a
metric
that
you
think
could
help
you
understand
what
you
what
you
want
to
accomplish,
and
then
you
put
methods
in
place
to
try
to
make
that
work
and
on
a
regular
basis.
I
don't
know
what
regular
is
a
quarter
or
whatever
you
look
back
and
say
if
it's
working
or
not
so
all
I
was
really
trying
to
get
to
was
ever
you
know
for
three
years,
this
kind
of
residential
noise
has
always
been
the
top
number.
G
If
the
learning
of
the
enforcement
team
is
that
we're
wasting
our
time
chasing
that
one
then
just
tell
us
right,
but
anybody
who
who
looks
anybody
uses
statistics
as
a
method
to
try
to
make
a
judgment
where,
to
put
your
limited
resources,
looks
at
the
single
big
biggest
cause
of
complaints
and
it's
always
been
dense,
housing
things
right
and
for
a
number
of
those
are
public
housing
things
and
we
have
colleagues
in
city
staff
that
are
supposed
to
care
about
public
housing
things.
So
it
shouldn't,
be.
G
You
know
quite
as
arm
length
kind
of
thing,
and
so
since
it
keeps
coming
up-
and
it's
always
the
highest
number-
I
just
I
just
want
to
know
if
the
team
feels
like
it's-
where
they
should
be
spending
their
time
and
if
so,
what
do
they
think
is
the
best
measure
that
they
have
of
whether
the
actions
that
they've
taken
are
going
to
do.
This
are
going
to
make
a
reduction.
If
they
don't,
then
either
they
decide
that
those
the
actions
they
took
didn't
have
the
results.
G
They
were
hoping
for
and
they're
going
to
brainstorm
some
new
actions
to
take
or
they're
going
to
recommend
to
the
advisory
board
that
we
should
stop
wasting
our
time,
trying
to
do
anything
more
than
we've
done,
and
I
just
don't
know
when
to
expect
that,
so
I
never
was
aiming
to
zero.
I
don't
think
that's
ever
possible.
G
C
Just
sorry
jessica,
if
I
can
just
close
that
circle,
they
think
it's
going
to
be
the
end
of
the
you
know,
probably
in
the
fall
before
we're
going
to
be
in
a
position
to
provide
a
full
year's
worth
of
data
where
we
can
really
dig
into
that
and
say
whether
you
know
what
works.
What
doesn't
as
far
as
the
residential
is
concerned,
gotcha.
A
C
What
I
just
said,
I
think
it's
probably
going
to
be
november
yeah,
it's
going
to
be
the
end
yeah,
honestly
we're
going
to
be
flat
out
for
the
next
three
four
months
with
with
everything
else
that's
going
on,
and
I
think
we're
gonna
we're
gonna
need
a
full
cycle
on
there
that
that's
where
I
think
it's
going
to
be.
C
Obviously
the
board
will
be
able
to
see
monthly
what's
coming
in,
but
I
do
think
that,
just
from
what
we've
seen
the
last
couple
of
weeks
with
music
and
parking
lots,
it's
still
coming
in
as
a
residential
noise
complaint
is,
you
know
we're
seeing
an
uptick
in
that
for
sure,
and
so
people
are
going
to
be
outside
some
a
lot
of
the
complaints
we
have.
A
Okay,
are
we
done
with
everything
on
the
staff
report.
B
We
can
be
yeah.
Everything
on
the
bottom
is
self-explanatory.
Just
just
so
happens
that
one
of
the
one
of
the
follow-up
items
for
this
quarter
is
actually
a
revisit
with
the
apartment
complexes,
because
we
also
do
see
high
turnover
in
some
of
the
complexes
just
people
that
we
just
met.
Two
three
months
ago,
I've
been
either
moved
to
another
complex,
and
now
I'm
dealing
with
somebody
new.
They
either
know
the
protocol
or
it's
a
whole
new.
Let's
either
meet
video
or
we'll
meet
you
in
person
to.
A
G
Yeah
so,
since
the
last
time
we
met
the
coalition
of
asheville,
neighborhoods
has
decided
to
take
a
a
complete
opposition
position
on
how
the
city
is
managing
this.
And
to
that
end
we
wrote
a
letter
to
city
council,
city
management
and
city
staff
associated
with
that.
We
wrote
that
letter
last
week
and
published
it
to
them.
G
So
we
revised
our
position
and
basically
demand
that
the
city
halt
the
work
they're
currently
doing
until
they
interview
and
go
deep
dives
with
every
boarding,
commission
and
prior
members
of
boards
and
commissions,
for
why
is
it
that
they
don't
have
quorums?
Why
is
it
that
people
don't
come
prepared
to
the
meetings,
and
probably
the
biggest
indictment,
I
would
say
is
why
is
it
that
when
a
boarding
commission
works-
and
it
makes
a
strong
proposal-
the
way
it's
supposed
to
to
city
council?
G
G
They've
dreamt
up
a
google
form
where
people
can
sign
in
support
of
all
this
in
an
effort
to
get
this
in
front
of
city
council
today,
because
tomorrow,
city
staff
is
presenting
to
city
council,
the
progress
on
the
boards
and
commission
stuff
and
that's
a
meet
and
that's
a
presentation
prior
to
the
city
council
meeting,
and
so
there's
no
public
input.
G
My
public
input
at
that
working
session.
But
people
are
lining
up
from
what
I
can
tell
to
speak
at
the
end
of
the
city
council
meeting
after
hearing
what
city
staff
tells
city
council.
G
You
know
we're
a
new
board
in
commission.
We
don't
have
a
track
record
yet
so
I
my
sense
is
we
would
we
here
would
be
a
tiny
voice
in
the
wind,
but
if
there
you
know,
if
the
rest
of
the
members
of
the
board,
based
on
the
information
I've
just
provided,
want
to
reinvigorate
some
kind
of
a
statement.
I
could
certainly
update
it,
but
I
wouldn't
go
down
that
path
unless
the
board
members,
you
know
felt
that
that
we
need
to
do
that
since
based
on
what's
going
on.
A
Gotcha,
thank
you
board
members.
Does
anybody
want
to
comment
thoughts.
A
Rick,
would
you
be
willing
to
share
that
letter
with
the
board
that
you
that
can
sent
to
city
council.
G
Okay,
all
right,
I
will
do
that
after
the
meeting
is
over.
A
I
think
it
would
behoove
us
to
take
a
look
at
that
and
give
give
everybody
some
time
and
maybe
put
that
if,
if
not
for
discussion
now,
if
everyone
feels
like
they
need
more
information
in
terms
of
I
know,
I
know
that
it's
it
seems
that
it's
something
that's
been
as
clear
as
mud.
A
In
terms
of
what
this
is
this
restructuring
resolution,
I
know
we've
been
giving
the
information,
but
I
know
it
seems
like
still
it's
a
it's
a
it's
a
little
convoluted
to
me
personally,
just
in
terms
of
of
having
the
bandwidth
and
the
space
I
wanted
to
go
to
the
thing
on
thursday
I
already
had
a
meeting
scheduled,
so
I'm
glad
that
rick
went
and
I
was
curious
to
see
how
it
went
and
it's
interesting
to
hear
that.
A
That's
what
the
majority
of
the
meeting
was
as
people
who
were
the
majority
of
the
people
involved
were
opposed
to
it
yeah.
So
if
everyone
would
like
to
take
a
look
at
that
information,
I
would
I
would
recommend
that
we
all
take
the
time
and
energy
to
do
that
and
then
perhaps
revisit
it
and
see
if
it's
and
again,
as
rick
said
we're
a
new
board.
So
maybe
it's
not
something
that
we
want
to
make
a
public
statement
on
or
or
give
a
statement
for
that.
A
A
Sure,
okay:
let's
do
that
we'll
take
a
look
at
that
and
we'll
we'll
table
that
for
next
time,
so,
okay
moving
on
old
business,
so
working
group
update
sound
mitigation,
so
we
so
this
is
granny
carmelo
jeff
and
I
have
been
working
on
some
information
that
we
are
going
to
present
to
the
board
at
our
next
meeting.
A
And
so
basically,
what
we're
doing
is
we're
looking
at
a
two-fold
of
information
of
things
that
we
can
give
for
good
neighbor
practices
right
for
neighbor
to
neighbor
so
kind
of
like
what
we
were
talking
about
earlier
and
then
also
doing
something
for
businesses
and
coming
up
with
a
list
of
inexpensive
ways
that
people
can
do
sound
mitigation
for
their
business,
whether
that's
with
music
and
how
they
put
the
speakers
to
you,
know
kind
of
what
charlie
had
mentioned.
A
Something
about
you
know
putting
some
some
things
up
for
drums
and
things
like
that.
So
we
will
have
more
information.
We
just
wanted
to
make
sure
we
had
all
of
that
dialed
in
by
yes.
Thank
you.
Somebody
finally
answered
the
phone
here
have
that
dialed
in
by
next
by
next
meeting.
So,
okay,
moving
on
to
new
business,
does
anyone
have
any
questions
on
that
sound
mitigation?
A
No?
Okay!
Moving
on
to
the
new
business,
we
have
ordinance
breakdown.
We
have
construction
presentation
by
grenier
and
daniel.
C
So,
as
we
discussed
a
few
months
ago,
while
we're
in
the
process
of
waiting
waiting
for
data
cycles
to
come
in
many
of
which
won't
be
with
us
on
this
side
of
the
end
of
the
summer
for
sure-
and
we
have
talked
about
looking
at
other
different
components
of
the
ordinance
we
had,
we
did
waste
last
waste
pickup
last
month
this
month,
I'm
going
to
do
construction,
and
these
two
are
very
similar
in
that
neither
of
them
are
particularly
seasonal
and
construction
happens.
C
12
months
a
year,
waste
pickup
happens
12
months
a
year,
so
so
the
amount
of
data
that
we
can
get
on.
That
is
pretty
consistent
regardless
of
what
time
of
year,
and
it
is
which
is
one
of
the
reasons
why
I
had
chosen
to
do
these
two
initially
and
so
daniel's,
going
to
run
the
slides
for
me
and
there's
a
lot
of
text
in
this
guys.
C
I
apologize
and
I'm
not
going
to
read
it
out
to
you,
but
I
do
think
it's
important
that
you
have
that
that
context
there
and
some
of
it
is
just
the
actual
language
in
the
ordinance-
is
quite
lengthy
for
both
the
pre,
the
old
ordinance
and
the
new
ordinance,
and
so
I'm
not
going
to
read
this
line
by
line,
I'm
suffice
to
say
that
there's
really
very
little
difference
between
the
old
ordnance
and
the
new
ordinance,
except
that
there
is
a
heavier
load
on
the
after
hours
permits,
so
anything
that's
after
7
pm
and
also
an
increase
in
fees.
C
So
I'm
just
going
to
give
a
quick,
quick,
just
synopsis
of
what
the
ordinance
says
and
similarly
to
waste
pickup.
Can
noise
from
construction
is
managed
and
regulated
by
time
of
day
and
day
of
week,
it's
very
similar
to
waste.
We
we
couldn't
possibly
do
decibel
levels
and
some
of
these
big
construction
projects,
so
it
is
limited
in
a
building
permit
from
seven
a.m.
To
seven
pm
monday
through
saturday,
no
work
sundays
and
there
are
incidents
where
there
are
some
after-hours
where,
after
hours,
work
has
to
happen.
C
There's
a
couple
of
examples
later
in
the
presentation
before
we
had
a
real
life
example
of
that
those
typically
are
larger
commercial
projects,
and
they
they
are
kind
of.
C
It
is
kind
of
fitting
to
talk
about
this
this
time
of
year,
because
most
of
them
involve
concrete
pours,
and
most
of
them
require
these
concrete
pores
to
happen
in
the
wee
hours
at
two
or
three
in
the
morning,
because
the
curing
of
the
cont
of
the
concrete
is
dependent
on
heat
and
humidity
factors
so,
and
the
the
revised
ordinance
and
again
requires
all
construction
equipment
to
be
operated
in
accordance
with
manufacturers
specifications.
C
Any
work
outside
those
hours
requires
an
after
hours
permit,
and
the
big
change
in
in
the
new
ordinance
is
that
the
the
fee
has
gone
to
500
for
that
for
for
working
without
an
after
hours
permit,
and
then
the
other
little
detail,
that's
in
the
revised
ordinance
is
that
those
after
hours
permits
may
require
some
sort
of
mitigation
and
also
may
be
revoked.
Based
on
you
know
the
the
judgment
of
the
chief
building
code
official
for
the
city
of
asheville.
C
So
I
could
say
I
have
a
a
real-life
example
where
we
got
to
put
all
those
pieces
together
a
couple
of
months
ago
that
I
can
give
you
as
we
get
further
into
the
the
presentation,
but
really
not
a
whole
lot
dissimilar
that
the
basic
outline
of
it
is
the
same,
with
the
exception
that
the
fees
are
are
higher
and
also
there
is
an
allowance
for
those
after-hours
permits
to
for
us
to
require
some
sort
of
mitigation
for
to
to
contain
the
noise
that
they
may
cause.
C
Like
I
said
most
of
those
are
big
commercial
projects.
We
will
get
some
concrete
pours.
There
is
a
requirement
for
the
contractor
to
actually
notify
any
real
anyone
living
or
addressed
within
500
feet
of
the
real
property
line
that
they
are
going
to
be
doing
this
activity,
so
that
people
have
some
advanced
warning
that
that
might
be
happening.
Okay,.
C
So
again,
I've
already
kind
of
talked
a
little
bit
about
this,
that
failure
to
obtain
an
after
hours
permit
and
can
result
in
a
500
citation
and
the
chief
building
code
may
permit
emergency
construction
after
hours,
but
we
also
have
the
ability
to
stop
it
if
we
feel
that
it's
excessively
loud,
where
the
the
building
code
official
can
modify
or
revoke
that
permit,
so
we'll
we'll
get
into
that
in
a
little
bit.
Okay,
thank
you,
daniel
okay!
C
So,
similarly
to
the
the
waste
pickup
that
we
talked
about,
you
know
we
received
the
the
complaints.
We
have
an
obligation
to
the
complainant,
to
the
potential
noisemaker
and
to
the
public
in
general
to
actually
investigate
and
resolve
these
complaints.
So
58
of
our
complaints
came
to
us
directly
from
directly
to
dsd,
so
daniel
or
I
got
a
phone
call.
We
had
our
job
forum,
we
had
an
email
and
came
to
us,
or
even
from
somebody
in
our
building
department
may
have
forwarded
something
so
almost
60
straight
to
us.
C
42
percent
still
came
through
apd
once
we
once
we
investigated
those
and
those
complaints
are
largely
exempt
or
of
unknown
origin,
and
so
it
was
very
just
difficult
for
us
to
to
actually
to
it
to
investigate.
Many
of
the
ones
that
came
through
apd
were
things
that
were
happening
in
the
middle
of
the
night,
so
we
did
investigate
them,
but
that
the
things
that
happened
during
the
day
came
to
us
directly
through
dsd.
C
So
all
complainants
receive
a
confirmation,
an
explanation
of
how
we're
going
to
investigate
this.
That's
part
of
our
due
diligence.
We
contact
them.
We
usually
try
and
get
some
additional
information
and
confirm
if
it's
in
the
city
limits
some
some
complaints,
we
receive
aren't
city
limits,
and
then
we
also
look
at
what
the
complaint
is
to
see
if
it
might
be
an
exemption
in
the
ordinance.
So
the
exemptions
would
be
a
body
of
the
government,
so
dot
work
would
be
exempt,
va
work
would
be
exempt.
C
C
So
once
we've
done
that
we
will
then,
if
it's
a
case
where
it's
pertaining
to
an
actual,
you
know
real
life.
Contra
construction
project
will
communicate
with
the
contractors
until
we've
got.
The
case
resolved
happy
to
report
that
almost
with
the
exception
of
one
case
that
has
happened
on
one
communication,
only
we'll
then
we'll
report
back
to
the
complainant
with
a
resolution
or
situational
education.
C
So
in
the
case
of
a
property
or
a
project
being
dot,
we'll
still
reach
back
out
to
to
that
person,
we
try
very
hard
to
actually
contact
d.o.t
and
get
some
indication
as
to
how
long
the
project
might
be
going
on
whether
it's
going
to
be
two
more
nights
of
digging
up
a
road
on
merman
avenue
and
at
least
let
the
complainant
know
that,
although
it's
exempt
from
our
ordinance
and
we
have
no
jurisdiction
over
it
to
let
them
know
we
understand
from
dot.
C
This
project
is
going
to
be
finished
in
the
next
48
hours.
So
we
do
really
try
and
and
close
that
out
in
our
you
know,
in
a
responsive,
good
way.
As
far
as
customer
service
excuse
me,
so
at
this
time
73
of
investigative
complaints
have
been
completed.
Daniela
can
go
to
the
next
one.
Thank
you.
C
This
apd2
in
this
case
was
something
that
came
into
us
as
a
residential
noise
and
as
we
dug
further
into
it,
and
we
we
consulted
a
little
bit
with
apd
and
we
were
advised
not
to
pursue,
pursue
it
for
other
reasons.
So
there
were,
there
were
some.
There
were
some
components
there
that
our
staff
was
not
in
a
position
and
to
be
able
to
address,
and
so
that
was
turned
over
to
apd.
Sometimes
the
complainant
called
back
and
said:
hey
it
stopped
so
so
that
was
the
end
of
that.
C
So
we
were
unable
to
investigate
13
of
those,
and
then
we
completed,
investigate
or
complete
investigations
on
38.
of
those
38
10
of
them
had
either
no
violation
or
were
exempt
again.
Exemptions
would
be
dot,
work,
some
city
of
asheville
work
and
in
the
case
of
no
violation,
it
was
an
after
hours
permit
and
the
required
and
neighbor
notification
for
that
permit
had
been
done
by
the
contractor.
The
person
who
was
complaining
was
a
little
bit
beyond
that,
and
so
when
they
complained,
we
responded
to
them.
C
Let
them
know
what
was
happening
and
let
them
know
that
they
were
permitted
to
do
that
particular
concrete.
Pour
at
that
particular
time
so
complaints
that
were
resolved
47,
I
was
18.
C
I
have
100
confidence
that
those
other
five
that
are
pending
will
have
also
been
resolved,
we're
just
giving
it
a
30
day
window
to
close
that
record
out,
but
I
have
no
doubt
that,
based
on
the
interaction
we
had
with
the
general
contractor
in
those
cases
that
these
these
are
not
going
to
happen
again,
it
will
be
a
one
and
done
and
then
the
final
five
again
have
not
enough
information
or
conflicting
information
that
we
were
just
not
able
to
investigate
them.
C
So
I'm
not
going
to
read
these
out.
These
are
complaints.
I
just
wanted
to
give
you
an
example
of
what
a
complaint
looks
like
when
it
comes
into
us.
This
particular
one
was
received
on
a
monday
morning,
I
believe,
and
that
particular
complainant
we
reached
out
to
that
same
morning.
We
also
reached
out
to
the
contractor
that
morning,
as
you
can
see,
he
gave
us
some
some
coordinates
to
find
it
and
we
have
a.
C
We
have
a
pretty
easy
way
to
find
permits
in
this
office
just
being
that
we're
development
services
department,
so
we
can
get
on
and
search
building
permits
and
be
able
to
actually
access
the
general
contractor
very
quickly.
So
this
complaint
was
about
complaining
about
construction,
starting
before
7
a.m,
and
you
can
see
the
complainant's
request
was
to
confirm
receipt
to
advise
what
immediate
actions
we
were
going
to
take
and
to
address
their
their
concern.
C
So
the
next
slide
is
is
my
response
to
him,
which
was
the
same
morning.
I
think,
probably
about
an
hour
after
we
we
received
it.
I
addressed
it
with
him,
told
him
that
we
would
engage
with
the
general
contractor
and
remind
him
of
his
obligations
under
his
building
permit.
I
asked
him
for
a
couple
of
days
to
resolve
the
issue,
and
I
told
him
I
would
email
him
as
soon
as
possible.
C
I
actually
called
him
that
afternoon
because
I
get
got
to
speak
with
the
general
contractor,
but
I
did
follow
up
with
him
again
in
writing.
So
just
told
him.
Thank
you
for
your
your
your
time
this
morning,
because
I
did
mention
it
to
him
in
a
phone
call.
I
spoke
with
the
gc,
the
superintendent.
C
We
reviewed
the
ordinance
with
them
and
we're
certain
that
there
was
not
going
to
be
a
continuation
of
any
construction
before
7
a.m.
I
felt
that
the
issue
had
been
resolved.
C
As
of
that
date,
we've
not
received
another
complaint
from
that
construction
site,
and
so
we've
closed
that
case
and
we
wait
30
days
but
we've
closed
it
out
as
resolved
the
next
one
is
very
similar,
but
it
was
a
residential
neighborhood
that
had
two
new
houses
being
being
built
in
there
again
we
received
it
and
we
received
this
complaint
at
8
30
on
a
sunday
morning.
C
My
response
to
her
was
10
30
monday
morning,
so
I
just
want
to
give
you
guys
an
idea
of
response
time
how
we
try
and
get
back
with
people
as
quickly
as
we
can
again.
You
know
this.
This
young
lady
gave
us
the
the
address
of
where
they
were.
We
were
able
to
look
at
the
building
permits.
We
were
able
to
contact
the
general
contractor
within
30
minutes
of
reading
her
email,
and
so
it's
a
very
efficient
we're
set
up
very
efficiently.
For
that
we
have
a
great
way
to
be
able
to
contact
people.
C
We
have
contact
phone
numbers
and
emails
in
our
permitting
system
and
so
and
with
where
construction
is
concerned,
we're
able
to
access
this
information
very
quickly
very
easily
and
reach
out
to
the
the
the
contractor.
So
again,
this
was
just
my
response
and
she
thanked
us
for
it.
Wig
again,
we
had
not
once
once
I
spoke
with
this
contractor.
We
had
no
more
complaints
on
this
side,
but
we
do
still
follow
up
with
them.
In
writing.
C
So
I've
got
a
a
paper
record
of
me
explaining
the
ordinance
to
them
or
daniel,
explaining
the
ordinance
to
them,
and
you
know
the
the
the
actual
their
responsibilities
under
their
permit
so,
and
this
other
one
I
just
put
in
is,
is
one
that
pertained
to
all
kinds
of
everything.
Really,
it
was
a
commercial
property.
It
had
an
emergency
they
put
in
a
generator.
C
We
ended
up
taking
decibel
readings,
so
it
just
it
has
everything
in
it
so,
and
we
received
a
complaint
about
a
generator
running
on
a
large
commercial
project
on
cox
avenue,
we
contacted
the
site
superintendent,
who
I
had
known
from
a
previous
complaint
last
summer
before
the
new
ordinance
went
in
a
generator
was
brought
in
because
they
had
hit
a
pipe
that
was
unmapped
on
their
their
building
plans,
and
so
the
work
was
considered
an
emergency.
C
I
worked
with
mark
matheny,
our
chief
building
code
official.
We
got
the
superintendent
to
apply
for
an
after
hours
permit.
C
We
also
asked
him
to
put
some
shielding
around
the
generator,
because
it
did
need
to
pump
24
hours
a
day
to
mitigate
the
noise
that
was
coming
off
that
and
they
they
did
all
that
daniel
and
I,
when
they,
when
we
issued
the
permit,
went
up
and
inspected
it
and
made
sure
that
they
had
had
undertaken
that
required
mitigation,
which
I
put
as
a
condition
on
their
permit
and
then
about
two
or
three
nights.
C
Later
we
were
out
doing
some
field
work
and
we
circled
back
to
that
location
after
10
o'clock
to
take
the
lowest
that
to
take
a
decimal
reading,
which
would
be
the
lowest
decimal
reading
would
be
after
10
pm
nighttime
hours
for
continuous
in
the
cbd,
which
was
52..
C
The
readings
were
below
52
and
we
emailed
a
report
to
the
complainant
and
and
also
to
the
contractor,
the
work
emergency
work
was
to
be
completed.
I
believe
by
the
12th
of
january.
I
checked
in
with
the
superintendent
about
a
week
earlier,
and
he
actually
told
me
it
was
going
to
be
finished
the
next
day,
so
they
did
manage
to
complete
this.
So
this
is
kind
of
a
good
example
of
just
you
know.
Sometimes,
life
happens,
things
go
wrong
and
what
systems
are
there?
What
processes
are
there?
C
C
So
there
are
a
couple
of
areas
that
we
have
identified
as
staff
in
this
process
of
where,
where
we
can
do
a
better
job
and
communicating
not
just
with
the
contractors
externally,
but
also
with
our
in
within
our
own
departments,
internally
within
the
city
so
and
one
thing
that
we
have
done,
is
I
put
together
a
big
email
blast
that
we
will
pull
from
our
permitting
system
where
we
will
get
any
contractor
who's
ever
had
a
permit
with
us.
We
have
that
we
have
contact.
C
Information
is
going
to
get
this
email,
it's
just
going
to
be
a
reminder
of
construction
errors,
obligations,
specific
guidance
on
the
after
hours
permit
and
and
we're
also
introducing
a
little
bit
of
a
smoother
process.
For
that,
in
that
I
we
have
done
a
a
template
for
that
letter.
For
after
hours,
permits
of
what
sort
of
information
needs
to
be
in
there
for
the
contractor
to
actually
use
as
a
blueprint
to
say
you
know
we
have
a
concrete
pour
on
this
date.
You
know
we'll
work
will
be
starting
at
this
time.
C
It
will
be
completed
at
this
time
and
again
we
also
assist
the
the
contractor
and
being
able
to
pull
the
names
and
addresses,
or
at
least
the
addresses
of
all
occupied
buildings
within
500
feet
of
of
their
project
site.
That
needs
to
be
done.
72
hours
before
they're,
scheduled
after
hours,
work
and
they're
certified
on
their
application
that
they're
doing
that
for
us,
so
we've
also.
C
I've
also
worked
a
little
bit
on
a
handout
for
contractors
for
pre-construction
meetings
and
some
of
the
larger
projects,
such
as
hotels
that
they're
not
always
in
town
construction
firms
and
so
a
lot
of
the
time
our
department
will
have
pre-construction
meetings,
so
they
can
understand
the
inspection
process
and
and
how
we
work
as
a
department.
So
I've
completed
a
little
handout
to
give
to
that.
C
We
don't
need
a
staff
to
be
in
those
meetings,
but
it's
nice
for
them
to
have
our
contact
information
if
they're
needing
to
do
an
after
hours
permit
how
to
contact
us.
So
we
can
advise
them
through
that
process.
So
again,
a
lot
of
this
is
just
communicating
making
sure
that
just
we're
filling
in
gaps
for
their
maybe
gaps
and
the
last
one
is
just
our
inter-departmental
communication.
We
had
a
situation
a
little
while
ago,
where
there
was
a
street
closure
or
a
sidewalk
closure,
and
it
ended
up
that
part
of
the
site.
Walk.
C
Sidewalk
closure
was
to
actually
cut
into
the
concrete
to
run
a
new
water
main
and
that
activity
actually
did
require
an
after
hours
permit.
So
again,
we've
just
come
up
with
some
information,
an
informational
document
that
we've
shared
with
parking
service,
water
resources,
public
works,
other
departments
within
the
city
that
may
be
interacting
with
outside
contractors
who
may
need
an
after
hours
permit
so
trying
to
trying
to
bridge
the
gaps.
C
Those
in
those
places
a
little
bit-
and
I
think,
that's
going
to
be
a
a
constant-
is
just
to
see
where
there
might
be
other
holes
that
need
to
be
plugged
but
staying
in
front
of
of
people
and
reminding
them,
and
then
just
the
last
part
that
I
thought
was
important
to
to
let
you
know
about
because
it
does
take
quite
a
bit
of
work
on
on.
C
Our
part
is
that
even
if
complaints
are
outside
the
city
or
they're
exempt,
and
we
have
no
jurisdiction,
we're
still
logging
them
and
we
have
spent
a
great
deal
of
time
trying
to
get
contacts
and
relationships
with
other
agencies
such
as
dot
and
the
va
in
buncombe
county,
because
when
people
when
people
call
in
and
they've
been
woken
up
by
something
at
11
30
at
night
example
was
a
new
traffic
light
that
was
going
in
on
merriman
avenue.
C
This
person
was
very
upset,
they
were
very
frustrated
and
I
don't
think
any
of
us
feel
that
it's
it's
a
good
way
to
close
the
circle.
To
just
say:
well,
sorry,
it's
exempt
nothing
to
do
with
us,
so
we
will
reach
out
to
dot,
we'll,
try
and
find
out
from
dot
when
that
project
is
going
to
be
completed
and
we'll
at
least
email
that
person
back
or
call
that
person
back.
C
So
we
do
ask
them
to
afford
us
a
couple
of
of
days
to
try
and
get
some
more
information,
and
we
also
have
collected
a
sort
of
database
where
we
can
direct
them
and
say
this
is
a
county
project.
We
understand
it's
going
to
be
done
in
four
days,
but
here's
who
you
will
contact
in
the
county
to
be
able
to
get
some
more
details.
C
So
we
do
try
and
close
the
circle
and
not
leave
people
feeling
frustrated
that
just
because
it's
not
our
jurisdiction,
we're
just
kind
of
leaving
them
hang
there,
and
so
just
in
summary-
and
I
would
say
we
both
feel
as
staff
that
the
ordinance
is
very
clear
again
very
similar
to
waste
management.
It's
clear,
there's
not
a
whole
lot
of
you
know,
gray
areas,
the
language
eliminates
the
any
sort
of
ambiguity
and
access.
C
We
have
access
to
the
permitting
system.
It
greatly
helps
the
efficiency
of
how
we
do
this
and
I
would
say
when
we
don't
have
a
permit
or
we
have
somebody
who
is
making
a
complaint
and
we
can't
find
a
permit.
We
did
have
one
recently
in
last
nashville
where
the
complainant
had
the
wrong
address,
and
so,
when
I
looked
up
a
permit,
we
didn't
have
one.
We
have
a
super
team
of
building
inspectors
from
development
services,
who'll
always
jump
in
the
car
for
you
and
do
a
drive
by
and
see
if
there's
work
happening
illegally.
C
In
this
case
or
or
without
a
permit,
I
should
say
not
illegally,
and
in
this
case
the
address
was
was
the
confusion,
but
we
did
have
access
to
a
building
inspector
who's
happy
to
do
a
drive
by
when
they're
out
in
the
field
for
us,
and
that
really
helps
us
very
much
as
well-
and
I
think
you
know
when
it
comes
to
the
the
contractors
they've
been
really
responsive
to
staff
they've
resolved
things
quickly.
C
We
have
like,
I
said
only
one
instance
where
a
complainant
came
back
a
second
time
and
actually,
after
we
looked
into
that,
it
seemed
to
be
have
been
more
of
a
per
perhaps
a
personal
dispute,
and,
as
this
contractor
was
also
this
person's
landlord
and
they
were
actually
moving
out
so,
but
you
know,
the
relationships
with
the
contractors
have
been
successful.
C
C
You
know
somebody
working
at
7
15
at
night,
but
once
you
address
it
with
them,
it
stops
it
happening
again.
I
will
also
say
that
a
lot
of
the
contractors
have
subcontractors,
and
so
they
might
not
be
on
site,
and
so,
when
you
contact
them
they'll
say
well,
I'm
sorry,
I
didn't
know
there
was
somebody
there
working
late,
I'll
address
it
with
them
right
away.
It's
taken
care
of.
C
We
never
hear
the
complaint
again
so
and
I
think
in
that
regard,
you
know
those
relationships
have
been
proven
to
be
successful
and
again
just
continuing
as
we
work
through
this
to
establish
better
ways
more
effective
ways
and
to
communicate
with
contractors
and
other
departments,
and
I
I
personally
feel
that's
kind
of
an
ongoing
thing.
I
don't
think
it's
a
one-and-done,
it's
just
something
we're
going
to
need
to
do
routinely.
H
C
It's
hard
to
say,
charlie,
I
think
they're,
they're
they're,
you
know
apples
and
oranges.
It's
totally
it's
a
totally
different.
It's
a
it's
a
it's
really
a
totally
different
beast
and
it
it's
not
subjective
in
any
way,
like
I
say,
there's
a
whole
lot
of
reasons
why
it's
we're
able
to
efficiently
address
these.
C
So
I
honestly
couldn't
say
that
if
it's
working
any
better
than
neighbor
to
neighbor,
because
it's
such
a
different
thing-
but
I
do
think
our
department
is
particularly
well
equipped
to
address
the
the
construction,
because,
where
we
have
access
to
a
lot
of
information
very
quickly
and
we
can
get
to
a
noisemaker
very
quickly.
H
So
so
did
I
misread
your
your
your
powerpoint
that
I
thought
I
interpreted
that
because
it
was
so
black
and
white
and
very
little
gray
area,
that
it
was
much
more
effective
what
you
were
doing
and
and
here's
why
I
asked
the
question
that
way.
If
that
is
indeed
the
case,
then
when
we
retreat
back
to
neighbor
to
neighbor,
maybe
that's
an
area
to
look
at.
How
do
we
get
much
more
precise
in
the
way
that
we
want
to
drive
improvement
in
that
particular
circumstance
that
that's
my
main
reason
for
the
request.
Sure.
C
I
I
understand
yeah,
I
I
I
think
it
is
very.
It
is
very
clear,
but
I
also
think
beyond
all
of
that,
there
are
other
factors
that
make
it
a
more
efficient
way
for
us
to
be
able
to
address
it.
So
we
can.
A
big
thing
for
me
is
access.
We
can
access,
you
know
the
complaint
very
quickly.
C
We
can
access
the
complainant,
we
can
explain
it
to
them
and
we
can
get
to
the
source
of
the
noise
very
quickly
and
and-
and
in
this
case
it's
not
even
necessarily
a
source
of
a
noise.
It's
it's
the
the
the
restrictions
that
the
ordinance
puts
on
the
hours
and
days
that
that
the
construction
happens.
So
it's
hard
to
compare
them,
but
I
do
think
this
is
a-
and
this
is
definitely
a
more
linear
approach
for
for
us
to
work
as
staff
and
also
we've.
C
We've
had
very
good
response
back
from
the
contractors,
I
have
to
say,
they've
been
a
real
real
pleasure
to
to
work
with
they're
very
respectful.
They
you
know,
like
I
say
the
ordinance
hasn't
always
stopped
it
from
happening,
but
it's
it's
really
always
stopped
it
from
happening.
A
second
time
or
repeated
time-
and
I
think
for
that
reason
it
it's-
it's
been
effective-
all
right.
A
No
okay,
can
we
move
on
to
the
exceedance
permit
update,
which
is
sure.
C
So
rick
had
asked
on
meeting
to
have
a
little
update
on
this.
C
Thank
you
so
rick.
It
asked
for
an
update
on
sound,
exceeding
permits
in
our
agenda
setting
meetings.
So
I've
done
a
a
a
a
presentation
on
it.
It
is
its
own
section
of
the
ordinance.
So
I
don't
yeah
I
I
will
go
through
it
with
you.
Now,
the
it's
under
section
1088.
C
Are
you
going
to
do
the
slides
or
really?
Oh,
hell
is
going
to
do
the
slides
haley.
Are
you
okay
to
do
the
slides
for
me,
yeah.
D
C
C
G
D
C
So
section
1088
allows
for
permitting
of
a
sound
access
permit
to
allow
for
the
the
holder
to
exceeded
the
decibel
limit
on,
under
certain
circumstances,
certain
conditions.
So
the
the
first
thing
to
know
is
there
are
three
types
of
of
these
permits.
Type.
One
is
no
more
than
two
events
in
a
single
12-month
period.
C
D
It
is
on
the
next
slide.
I
don't
know
why
it's
not
working
for
me
on
my
end,
because
it's
showing
me
everything
correctly
on
both
screens
for
me,
so
I
daniel,
maybe
you
should
present
it
because
I
I
don't
know
why.
It's
not
working
for
me,
sorry
guys,
because
on
my
screen
yet
showing
it
that
I'm
on
the
type
2
slide
and.
C
Thank
you,
okay,
so
type
one
is
to
one
to
two
days
per
calendar
year
or
events
per
calendar
year.
Type
two
is
no
more
than
eight
events
in
a
single
12
month
period
in
accordance
with
an
approved,
sound
impact
plan
and
then
type
three
is
limited
to
performance
centers
and
no
more
than
30
events
in
a
single
12-month
period.
C
Type
three
is
the
highest
bar
in
that
it
requires
a
sound
impact
plan
and
that's
incorporating
some
modeling
performed
by
an
acoustical
engineer
that
demonstrates
comprehensive
management
and
reduction
of
offsite
decibels.
So
a
sound
impact
plan
applies
to
sorry
next
slide
to
both
type
two
and
type
three
permits.
Only
the
impact
plan
needs
to
show
the
layout
of
the
site,
the
orientation
and
the
size
and
technical
specifications
of
the
amplification
system.
C
That's
been
used
any
sound,
mitigating
features,
including
a
description
and
also
a
visual
on
their
site
plan
of
permanent
or
temporary
barriers
that
may
be
being
used
as
mitigation
devices
and
the
location
and
proximity
of
residential
dwelling
units
and
methods
of
managing
anticipated
off-site
decibel
impacts
and
prescribed.
Decibel
levels
must
be
given
and
expected
during
the
duration
of
the
exceedance
situation
and
also
the
hours
of
operation
of
the
event.
C
The
sound
impact
plan
also
requires
the
availability
and
use
of
decimal
meters
by
on
strike
on-site
staff
and
including
of
decibel
readers
and
also
have
an
available
contact
on
the
actual
property
that
night
during
the
course
of
the
event,
and
that
contact
would
be
a
member
of
staff
or
you
know,
owner,
so
that
they
can
be.
C
Somebody
can
get
a
hold
of
them
in
the
middle
of
an
event
if,
if
we
need
to
or
if
a
member
of
the
public
needs
to
so
each
and
sound
exceeds
permit,
comes
with
a
number
of
conditions
and
the
the
the
conditions
that
apply
to
all
of
them,
and
we've
only
done
two
of
these
permits.
So
there
may
be
situations
where
we
would
apply
a
specific
condition
to
a
specific
venue,
but
but
to
all
permits
right
now.
The
conditions
are
that
they,
the
events,
may
occur
between
10
a.m
and
10
p.m.
C
Sunday,
through
thursday,
10
a.m
to
11
p.m,
friday
through
saturday,
and
that
the
sound
exceeds
shall
not
exceed
eight
hours.
In
duration
and
the
other
condition
that
applies
to
all
type,
one
two
and
three
permits
is
that
in
no
event
shall
the
emission
of
sound
measure
more
than
85
dba
and
an
leq
reading,
and
using
minimum
measurement
interval
of
one
minute
on
a
property
with
an
occupied
residential
dwelling
unit.
C
C
The
review
criteria
for
these
applications
pretty
well
prescribed
in
the
ordinance
it
gives
very
step-by-step
description
of
what
staff
should
look
at
as
far
as
the
suitability
of
the
site,
the
size,
its
capacity,
the
intensity
of
sound
history,
of
verified,
noise,
complaints
and
or
violations
from
the
site.
So
it's
a
very
linear
process
to
actually
review
these
and
these
applications.
C
Like
I
say,
we've
only
had
two
and
staff
used
what
was
prescribed
in
the
ordinance
to
actually
go
through
and
and
and
review
and
approve,
or
make
adjustments
or
ask
for
additional
information
based
on
what
the
ordinance
is
actually
asking
us
to
do.
C
So,
once
a
a
permit
has
been
issued-
and
it
has
been
our
standard
practice
and
to
have
some
sort
of
a
meeting
with
the
applicant
just
to
go
over
the
conditions
make
sure
they
understand.
This
is
a
new
permanent
permit
for
us,
it's
a
new
permit
for
them
to
make
sure
that
they're.
C
You
know
they
understand
their
conditions
on
it
and
also
their
responsibilities
and
that
to
ensure
all
the
the
conditions
are
understood
by
them,
and
staff
will
attend
and
take
readings
from
at
least
30
percent
of
approved
dates
on
issued
permits.
If
we
can
do
more,
we
will
you
know
we.
We
have
one
right
now
that
we
will
have
been
at
100
of
those
shows,
but
in
the
case
of
robert
rabbit,
with
a
a
larger
number
of
shows,
we've
committed
to
being
there
for
at
least
30
percent,
just
under
our
standard
operating
procedure.
C
If
we
can
be
up
more,
we
certainly
will
and
then,
after
each
record
after
each
site
visit,
we
will
then
look
at
the
the
actual
decimal
levels
that
we've
gotten
we'll
add
those
to
the
record,
we'll
add
them
into
the
seller
record,
which
is
our
our
permitting
software,
so
that
we'll
we'll
put
in
there
that
staff
were
on
site
at
this
time
at
this
date
and
that
the
decibel
readers
taken
showed
that
the
the
permit
was
in
compliance
and
we'll
actually
attach
that
data
into
the
the
record
into
the
documents
of
that
record.
C
So
we
have
that
available
to
anybody
who
would
like
to
look
at
that.
The.
C
So
that
the
type
3
permit
allows
up
to
30
events
that
covers
that
whole,
that's
what
the
type
3
permit
allows
it
allows
for
9
to
30
events
per
calendar
year.
So
when
they
submit
that
application,
they
will
submit
the
dates
of
those
events.
They
will
submit
the
modeling
that
their
acoustical
engineer
has
done
and
that
modeling,
then,
is
part
of
their
mitigation.
C
C
H
C
The
the
big,
the
big
thing
is
that
what
what
they're
they're
submitting
is
is
that
they're
not
going
to
exceed
that
decimal
limit?
That's
how
we'll
know
if
the
actual
permit
is
in
compliance
or
not.
C
So
so
the
permit
management.
So
once
it's
issued,
like
I
say
we
will
go
out
to
events,
we
will
take
readings.
We
will
try
in
some
cases
to
actually
get
to
a
sound
check
as
well
as
the
event,
and
so
what
we
try
and
do
just
because
of
of
resources,
is
look
at
an
event
and
go
to
several
other
venues
in
that
evening.
C
So
we
can
go
at
the
beginning,
the
middle
and
the
end,
and
make
sure
that
it's
finished
when
it's
supposed
to
be
finished
all
those
criteria,
and
so,
if
an
applicant
fails
to
abide
with
the
requirements
and
they
can
have
their
permit
suspended
for
up
to
two
weeks
and
if
the
administrator
determines
that
a
formal
warning
was
issued,
or
at
least
two
documented
ev
and
documented
violations
of
the
section
have
occurred
within
a
90
day
period.
C
And
then
the
other
part
of
of
this
process
is
that
a
permit
can
be
revoked
by
the
city.
If
the
sound
exceedance
event
occurred
during
its
suspension.
If
there
are
two
documented
violations
of
the
section
within
six
months
at
the
end
of
a
suspension
or
a
permit,
may
also
be
revoked.
For
violations
of
this
section
and
that
should
not
be
eligible
for
reissuance
for
365
days
and
then
the
last
thing
just
to
know
is
that
all
these
sound
exceeds
permits
run
on
a
calendar
year.
So
we
start
in
january.
C
First,
we
close
on
december
31st.
If
you
come
in
looking
for
a
sound
exceedance
permit
in
october,
you've
got
you
know,
you
you've
got
eight
weeks
ten
weeks,
you've
got
till
the
end
of
the
year
and
they
don't
run.
A
lot
of
our
permits
will
run
on
a
12-month
period
from
issue
date.
These
do
not.
They
run
on
a
calendar
date
and
so
just
kind
of
give
you
an
up
an
update,
which
is
what
I
was
trying
to
do
on.
This
is
there's.
Obviously,
this
is.
C
We've
only
got
two
and
we
have
one
for
sly
grog.
It
was
for
three
events
and
daniel
and
haley
were
out
in
the
rain
on
saturday
night
and
they
were
in
compliance
with
all
their
decibel
levels,
and
they
we
took
readings
what
we
did
daniel
and
I
went
to
the
first
one,
which
was
on
april
16th.
C
We
are
repeating
where
we're
taking
the
readings
from
each
time
we
go
out
so
that
it's
really
consistent
and,
of
course,
we
know
where
the
500
feet
is.
It
doesn't
mean
we
won't
take
readings
beyond
500
feet,
because
we
absolutely
do
we've
gone
over
to
montford
to
take
readings
for
both
of
these
events.
We've
gone
to
isaac
dixon
school,
so,
but
we
will
we
will.
We
will
mirror
the
locations
that
we
take
readings
from
in
each
one
they
have
been
compliant
and
robert
rabbit.
We
were
out
on
friday
april
29th.
C
Again
we
took
readings
in
the
vicinity
of
the
venue
on
church
street
on
cox
avenue
on
ashland
all
around
again.
We
did
not
have
a
violation
of
that
85
decibels
and
the
reports
in
your
in
your
csv
and
any
of
these
permits
can
be
checked
on
simplicity.
I
put
the
link
in
there
when
you
go
into
it.
You'll,
just
click
on
the
left
hand,
side,
development
and
then
development
and
permit
search-
and
you
can
search
it
by
address
or
permit
number
address-
is
probably
the
easiest
way.
C
G
C
Well,
we
can
put
in
in
our
staff
report
and
anytime.
We
issue.
One
of
them
and
put
the
addresses
in
I
mean
obviously
slag
rog
is
just
is
just
their
address
on
haywood
road
rabbit
rabbit
the
same,
and
so,
but
I
I
don't
know
if
you,
if
there's
any
way
for
you
to
search
it
just
as
sound
exceedance
permit
I
I
do
believe
that
it's
going
to
go
under
the
development
tool,
but
I'm
not
sure
if
that's
if
that's
available
yet
ben
might
be
able
to
speak
to
that.
E
I
was
going
to
say
you:
can
you
can
definitely
search
by
address
so
that
doesn't
answer
your
question.
Rick.
E
E
G
G
Okay,
so
I
guess
they
did
all
of
the
stuff.
That's
required
to
be
submitted
for
the
decision
making
on
whether
to
provide
the
permit
or
not.
Is
that
all
available
to
the
public
prior
to
the
decision
to
to
give
the
permit
or
not
give
the
permit.
C
G
No,
I'm
I'm
saying
suppose
suppose
somebody
calls
me
because
they
know
I'm
on
the
noise
advisory
board
and
they
say
hey.
I
hear
sly
grog's
going
to
run
three
concerts
and
all
that
kind
of
thing
and
they
might
be
go
there.
You
know
they
might
be
submitting
for
a
permit
or
like
the
whatever
is
going
on
with
grey
eagle
and
the
asheville
outdoor
thing
that's
been
in
the
press.
Lately
is
there's
that
long
list
of
stuff
in
the
ordinance
that
you
went
through
it
says
you
gotta,
give
me
this.
C
So
they
are
in
our
seller
record,
which
is
our
software
of
record
for
all
our
permits
in
the
documents
which
is
you
can
access
that
that,
through
the
citizen,
access
through
simplicity,
if
you
go
into
the
documents
the
application
is
in
there,
the
approval
will
be
in
there.
The
you
know,
the
all
all
of
the
actual,
what
they
submitted
for
their
application
and
any
correspondence
that
we
had
back
with
them.
To
say
I
need
this.
I
need
that
you
need
to
show
me
that,
yes,
that
is
all
there.
G
Okay,
so
I
just
somewhere
along
the
way
coaching
on
how
to
get
to
that
in
the
most
effective
way.
I'm
just.
I
think
this
is
part
of
the
board's
help,
for
you.
Guys
is
whether
the
stuff
that
you're
being
asked
for
is
being
given
and
whether
it
is
adequate
since
it
was
you
know,
prescribed
in
the
ordinance.
G
You
report
on
complaints.
You
report
on
a
complaint
that
you
know
it
hits
it's
it's
it's
part
of
your
data
as
soon
as
you
get
it,
and
then
it
has
a
lifetime
until
it's
solved
or
not
solved.
I'd
almost
think
that
permits
to
exceed
should
sort
of
live,
the
same
life,
we're
being
permits
being
requested.
G
C
C
Yeah,
it
depends
on
how
much
we
you
know
we
may
we
may
have
full
application
in
at
the
time
it's
received.
We
may
have
to
go
back
and
ask
for
more.
We
asked
for
them
the
ordinance
prescribes
how
they
should
be
submitted
and
in
advance,
because
staff
needs
obviously
an
opportunity
to
be
able
to
review
them,
and
so
I
think,
with
the
sly
grog
one,
it
was
a
couple
of
weeks.
C
We
also
had
an
on-site
meeting
with
them
before
we
did
final
approval
on
the
permit
I
similar
with
with
robert
rabbit.
It
was,
you
know
at
least
a
couple
of
weeks
before
they
before
their
first
event,
that
that
was
submitted.
C
G
D
That
should
help,
but
also
if
you
need
a
more
like,
if
you
need
me
to
walk
you
through
it
sometime,
I'm
happy
to
do
that,
we
can
do
it
over
the
phone.
Just
just
let
me
know,
and
that
goes
for
any
of
our
board
members
any
of
the
public
anytime.
Somebody
needs
help
with
this
portal.
I'm
happy
to
show
them
how
to
navigate
it.
Okay,.
G
C
I
think
I
think
the
ordinance
is
pretty
specific
in
it,
but
I
also
think
that
you
know
there's
it's
important
to
have
an
open
dialogue
with
applicant.
This
is
new
to
us.
It's
new
to
them.
It's
new
to
everybody.
The
two
we
have
are
very,
very
different,
so
I
think.
C
Right
now,
the
the
decibel
levels
were
very
good
on
on
on
both
of
them.
I
think
that's
a
good
reflection
on
what
processes
were
put
in
place.
What
mitigation
was
put
in
place?
So,
okay,.
E
Yeah
thank
thank
you
jessica,
so
real
real
quickly
rick.
So
I
just
want
to
say
a
couple
of
things
in
general,
so
it's
always
our
goal
to
make
all
information
public.
So
anything
that
comes
to
us.
You
will
have
access
to
it's
not
always
easy
to
get
you
there,
but
you
will
have
access
to
it.
E
So,
along
those
lines
we
can
send
you
something,
but
you
can
go
into
excela,
which
is
our
permitting
software
and
as
haley
did
she
just
typed
in
the
words
sound
exceedance
and
it
pulled
up
the
three
records
that
we
currently
have.
E
E
The
one
thing
I'll
say
about
timing:
rick
is
these
are
so
these
are
non-discretionary
approvals,
so
there's
there's!
No.
If
staff
looks
at
it
doesn't
meet
the
ordinance
or
not
they
go
through.
The
review
make
that
decision
to
issue
the
permit
is
the
director
of
development
services.
I
am
always
pushing
staff
to
do
that
as
quickly
as
possible.
E
It
probably
probably
annoys
grania
and
daniel
because
I'm
like
do
it
faster,
do
it
faster,
but
just
just
want
to
be
clear
that
you
know
their
their
job
is
to
look
at
the
permit,
submission
review
it
and
either
approve
it
or
deny
it.
So
again,
it's
non-discretionary
now,
after
the
fact
we
can
evaluate
to
the
extent
to
which
that
applicant
complied
with
the
sound
exceedance,
permit
requirements
and
granny
and
daniel
do
go
out
and
audit
these
permits
and
make
sure
there
is
compliance.
E
But
the
other
thing
I
think
that'll
make
this
really
easy
for
everybody.
Is
we
have
this
and
rick?
I
know
you
get
this.
We
have
the
development
notification
tool
where
you
can
sign
up
and
you'll
get
an
email
every
time
a
certain
type
of
permit
is
applied
for
you.
Can
you
can
choose
to
get
that
if
it's
within
a
certain
distance
of
your
property,
you
can
get
it
for
the
whole
city.
So
one
thing
that
we're
going
to
do
is
get
the
sound
exceedance
permits
added
to
the
development
notification
tool.
E
Understanding
ics
is
busy
and
there's
always
a
list
of
things
for
them
to
do,
but
hopefully
later
this
year,
you'll
be
able
as
a
board
member,
to
sign
up
and
every
time
we
get
an
application
for
sound
accedence
permit
you'll
get
an
email
that
tells
you
it's
arrived,
so
ultimately
that's
going
to
be
the
way
that
you'll
get
immediate
access
to
applications,
but
in
the
interim
you
can
find
it
and
we
can
show
you
how
to
do
that.
But
there's
going
to
be
a
better
way
to
do
that.
So
I
hope
that
helps.
G
G
G
A
H
A
H
Be
yeah
I'll,
be
quick
jessica.
This
sound
exceedance
policy
is
one
of
the
biggest
problems
that
you
know.
People
in
the
cbd
that
are
talking
to
me
are
having,
and
that
is
you
know
if
you're
going
to
grant
exceedance
to
85
instead
of
what
was
set
at
72
they're
like
the
72
is
worthless.
H
You
know
because
you're
going
to
give
them
grant
to
85.,
and
that
obviously
is
way
above
what
many
of
us
that
live
in
the
community
downtown
were
expecting
so
it'll
be
an
area
that
I'll
continue
to
to
look
at
and
try
to
find
ways
to.
You
know
back
backward
to
what
rick
said.
You
know
where's
the
outcome
in
the
mitigation
that
we
could
possibly
offer
up,
because
when
things
are
playing
at
80
and
82
and
85,
it's
rattling
windows
and
vibrating
floors,
so
we
need
to
pay
careful
attention
to
it.
A
A
J
J
J
But
I
I
will
do
my
best
with
this,
so
granny,
grania
and
daniel.
I
know
you
guys
are
out
in
the
field
feel
free
to
weigh
in
with
your
personal
inputs
at
any
point
please,
but
basically,
with
with
dbas
and
dbc's
they're,
just
two
different
types
of
weighing
scales
for
decibel
readings
or
decibel
measurements
or
charts.
J
So,
for
example,
at
very
low
sound
pressure
levels,
low
decibel
ratings,
low
volume,
the
ear
is
less
sensitive
to
low
frequencies
and
also
some
very
high
frequencies
as
well,
and
so,
let's
say
at
a
low,
sound
pressure
level
like
40
decibels,
for
example
a
low
frequency
such
as
one
at
maybe
100
hertz.
It
will
need
to
be
multiple
times
louder
to
be
perceived
as
equally
loud
as
say:
1000
hertz.
J
Imagine
the
truck
idling
outside
your
window.
It
you
can
hear
it
and
it
might,
you
know,
rattle
something
here
or
there,
but
that's
when
it
becomes
less
audible
and
in
a
way
more
of
a
physically
perceptive
tactile.
You
can
feel
it
in
your
body
that
is
so
at
higher
sound
pressure
levels
like
let's
say,
90
decibels.
Now
the
ear
will
perceive
like
those
two
different
tones,
100
hertz
and
1000
hertz
at
roughly
nearly
equal
loudness,
and
this
is
all
context
dependent
also
so.
J
You
begin
to
hear
more
of
the
frequency
spectrum
get
brought
out
and
lower
frequencies
are
just
simply
longer
larger
waves,
the
lower
the
frequency
the
longer
the
wave,
so
they
require
more
volume
to
essentially
vibrate
your
cochlear
hairs
in
your
ears
and
that's
the
reason
why
that
there's,
there's
kind
of
this
runoff
of
low
frequency
once
you
get
down
to
the
low
frequencies
for
lack
of
a
better
phrasing.
J
J
On
average,
there
are
different,
weighing
scales
that
have
been
developed
to
kind
of
represent
this
frequency
and
level
dependence
behavior
of
the
human
ear
and
those
scales,
such
as
a
or
b
or
c,
are
built
into
filters
which
you
can
find
on
noise
or
sound
level
meters,
which
granny
and
daniel
will
be
very
familiar
with
so
the
most
popular
ones,
a
b
and
c.
A
is
a
weighing
is
what
they
call.
It
and
dba
is
typically
used
for
softer
tones
or
sounds
at
a
more
lower
decibel
ratings.
J
Lower
volumes
b
is
for
middle
tones
and
sounds
and
c
is
for
loud
tones
and
sounds,
but
you
only
really
need
one
weighing
for
achieving
a
full
measurement
of
a
given
report
so
as
opposed
to
switching
between
them,
which
would
be
totally
you
know,
incongruous,
they
wouldn't
be
able
to
they'd
be
incompatible.
J
Your
data
is
moot
at
that
point,
basically
like.
Instead
of
switching
between
them,
a
and
c
are
typically
the
ones
used
in
practice.
As
far
as
I
understand,
b
is
not
used,
at
least
in
the
united
states
anymore,
so
a
weighing
is
the
most
common
overall
and
although
it
a
weighing
typically
measures
noise
using
a
weighing
to
measure
noise
louder
than
60
decibels
may
be
a
bit
inaccurate.
J
Once
you
get
up
to
the
certain
higher
decibel
levels,
it's
still
the
fact
that
using
the
same
weighing
for
all
the
measurements
like,
if
you
just
stick
with
a
you,
will
at
least
be
given
the
opportunity
to
allow
for
comparison
of
different
sounds
so
that
being
said,
really
quick
going
into
slightly
more
detail
about
a
versus
c
a
is
the
most
common
way
to
determine
loudness
levels.
J
J
J
It
makes
the
meter
less
sensitive
to
very
low
and
even
extremely
high
frequencies,
so
it
typically
technically
it
will
slope
those
frequency
those
low
frequencies
down
lower
than
five
kilohertz
on
average
c
weighing
they
represent
the
frequency
sensitivity
of
the
human
ear
when
it
comes
to
loud,
sounds
or
high
noise
levels,
maybe
60
70
db,
plus
it
has
approximately
equal
sensitivity
at
all
frequencies.
At
that
point,
that's
the
key,
not
accurate
at
lower
frequencies.
J
So
a
and
c
have
their
pluses
and
minuses
given
the
context,
but
by
and
large
occupational
noise,
environmental
noise
and
hearing
loss
measurements
are
always
measured
in
dba,
it's
mainly
because
the
ears
risk
for
damage
from
noise
or
uncomfortability
the
threshold
of
pain.
However,
you
want
to
word
it:
it's
not
the
same
as
the
ears
perception
of
loudness,
so
it's
it's
more
of
a
safety
and
comfortability
measure
to
default
to
a
as
opposed
to
c.
J
So,
even
though
the
c-wade
scale
could
predict
loudness
perception
at
high
sound
pressure
levels,
the
a
weighted
scale,
it's
still
a
better
predictor
for
hearing
damage,
risk
and
uncomfortability
and
pain
at
those
same
levels.
Actually,
so
it's
it's
more
commonly
used
when
referring
to
measuring
sound,
but
humans
do
not
perceive
all
frequencies
equally.
So,
for
this
reason,
sound
levels
in
the
low
frequency
end
of
the
spectrum
are
reduced,
as
the
human
ear
is
just
generally
less
sensitive
to
those
audio
frequencies
than
at
higher
frequencies.
So
the
punch
line
is
that's.
J
J
So
that's
that's
a
super
super
quick
kind
of
101
on
the
dba
versus
dbc
all
based
off
of
my
my
current
understanding
and
again,
I'm
I'm
simply
assuming
that
grania
and
daniel
are
measuring
both
probably
giving
different
circumstances,
but
I
would
assume
you
guys
are
typically
using
dba.
J
So
so
again,
I
was
trying
to
kind
of
tailor
this
to
to
simply
provide
a
general
overview
where
you
guys
can
kind
of
pick
up
where
you
see
relevant
and
and
apply
this
to
more
practical
uses
for
the
noise
advisory
board's
purpose.
That's
right.
B
Well,
as
the
the
ordinance
prescribes
dba,
that's
what
we
take.
The
the
meters
do
record
the
seed,
the
sea
weight,
I'm
trying
to
work
with
cirrus,
which
is
out
of
england,
trying
to
see
how
we
can
customize
our
reports.
So
that's
included
because
it
doesn't
automatic
or
it
doesn't
automatically
populate,
but
it
is
in
the
recording.
B
So,
instead
of
just
having
one
of
the
peak
levels
want
to
see
if
we
can
grab
an
average
level,
your
your
the
average
c
c
weighted.
But
I
want
to
see
if
I
can
just
have
that
automatically
populated
the
way.
I
do
all
the
other
ones,
because
it
comes
up
with
other
measurements
which
someone
don't
even
know
what
they
are
yeah
and
a
bunch
of
things.
So
I'm
actually
in
community
where
time
difference.
H
B
B
To
see
if
one
of
the
guys
one
of
the
employees
can
show
me
how
to
create
a
customized
template
to
weed
out
all
those
other
measurements
that
aren't
necessary,
at
least
for
our
for
our
purposes
and
then
just
to
have
the
the
one
or
two
or
three
that
we
need.
So
once
I
get
that.
That
would
be
great.
J
Yeah,
I
know
that
like,
as
far
as
the
physics
go
quite
often
with
super
heavy
construction
stuff
aviation
automotive
purposes,
dbc
can
ostensibly
make
more
sense,
but
then
there's
also
like
loudness
measurements,
which
is
completely
different
than
both
of
those
so
yeah
there.
There
can
be
incompatibilities
depending
on
what
a
given
state
city
government
company
wants
to
measure
by.
I
know
companies
like
aircraft
companies,
automotive
companies,
vacuum
companies.
J
They
prefer
to
use
dba
as
well
for
their
own
purposes,
because
sometimes
they
can
hide
the
true
loudness
of
any
of
their
given
products
to
maybe
avoid
consumer
protection
stuff.
You
know,
skirt
skirt.
Some
laws
around
noise,
too,
but
yeah
dba
is,
is
by
far
the
most
common
across
the
board.
From
what
I
understand.
A
A
D
A
Right:
well,
if
there
are
no
other
questions
or
comments,
is
there
any
objections
to
us
adjourning
this
meeting
we'll
find
out?
Are
there
any
objections.