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B
Good
morning
everybody
I'm
chair,
barabiak
and
I'd
like
to
welcome
you
to
the
may
5th
2022,
affordable
housing
advisory
committee
meeting.
All
committee
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually.
We
appreciate
your
patience
as
we
work
through
committee
meetings.
A
bit
differently.
We're
streaming
live
on
our
virtual
engagement
hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city
website,
and
also
linked
on
the
committee
page.
B
B
And
use
meeting
code
7663
to
listen
in
for
those
of
you
out
there
with
us
today.
Welcome
I'll
now
go
through
and
introduce
all
the
committee
members
who
are
participating
virtually
please
make
sure
to
meet
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you're,
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you
have
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would
like
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microphone,
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remember
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after
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are
done
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committee
member
says
I
call
your
name.
Please
say
a
quick
hello.
D
E
B
C
B
B
And
as
city
have,
I
seen
is
councilman
mosley
here.
B
All
right
we're
gonna
move
on
to
our
agenda
first
and
first
item
is
the
approval
of
our
minutes
from
last
meeting.
Is
everyone
had
an
opportunity
to
look
at
them.
C
C
Vote
scott
adams,
hi.
C
A
D
D
B
B
Next
ups
are
kind
of
list
of
available
homes,
kind
of
the
same
kind
of
bleak
picture
that
we've
been
seeing
for
several
months.
There's
just
no
inventory
I
haven't
seen
much
changing,
haven't
seen
much
new
production.
That's
going
to
looks
like
it's
going
to
change
that.
B
B
Yeah
it's
about
it's
about
what
I
can
say
about
it.
It's
really
sad
and
all
of
you
know,
especially
those
of
us
who
try
to
build
affordably
how
difficult
it
is
right.
Now
I
mean
we've
talked
about
lumber
prices.
We've
talked
about
everything
land,
it's
I
don't.
B
I
don't
know
how
we're
going
to
change
this
course,
but
I
guess
you
know
we
keep
having
the
data
and
keep
sharing
that
and
we,
I
hope,
maybe
some
some
changes
will
happen
with,
especially
with
land
or
city
on
land
or
or
but
I
guess
we
just
kind
of
watch
any
other
and
and
then
the
you
know
the
you
know
bob's
the
report
on
the
the
house.
You
know
the
average
house
prices.
B
The
unfinished
business
section
we're
going
to
talk
about
the
cdbg
repair
funds
for
manufactured
homes.
There
was
an
update
that
was
attached
to
the
agenda
andy
and
I
think
was
it
jonathan
jones.
Did
you
prepare
the
memo
about
that?
Do
you
want
to
kind
of
just
kind
of
share
your
findings?
I
know
andy
has
some
thoughts
on
this
and
there's
some
back
emails.
I've
seen
happen
so
just
I
like
you,
you
and
sasha
and
andy
kind
of
chat
about
chat
about
this
sim
sure.
J
It's
not
it's
not
so
much
of
a
formal
report,
but
just
a
rundown
of
some
research
that
I
did
as
a
follow-up
to
our
last
conversation
in
the
last
meeting,
just
looking
at
some
of
the
related
regulations,
starting
with
hud's
guidance
related
to
using
cdbg
funds
for
repair
of
mobile
homes,
their
first
document
that
specifically
addresses
that
requires
that
each
community
use
those
funds
for
permanent
housing
stock
and
so
kind
of
opening
up
that
question
to
say
what
what
is
considered
our
permanent
housing
stock
and
doing
a
little
bit
of
research
in
our
files.
J
There
was
a
conversation-
maybe
here
at
this
committee,
as
well
as
the
home
consortium
around
some
of
the
challenges
there,
and
so
that
redirected
me
to
the
some
of
the
city's
ordinances
and
trying
to
make
sure
how
the
city
locally
defines
the
permanent
housing
stock
and
some
of
our
requirements
around
mobile
homes.
J
So
we
do
follow
the
state's
guidelines
as
far
as
the
requirements
and
building
code
for
securing
and
setting
up
mobile
homes,
and
that
then
sort
of
leads
into
the
question
about
how
those
how
those
how
those
units
are
categorized
by
the
state
and
at
the
moment
those
are
considered
motor
vehicles
according
to
the
dmv,
if
they
are
not
on
a
permanent
foundation.
J
So
in
order
to
convert
a
mobile
home
to
real
property
such
as
real
estate,
you
have
to
remove
the
axle
the
wheels
and
the
hitch
from
a
mobile
home
and
place
it
on
a
permanent
foundation.
And
then,
at
that
point
in
time
it
can
be
retitled
as
real
property.
So
I
think
where
our
cdbg
policy
currently
says
we
can
use
cdbg
funds
for
repair
to
mobile
homes
that
are
on
a
permanent
foundation.
J
I
think
we're
kind
of
running
into
some
regulation
issues
at
the
you
know
the
state
level
to
say
like
these
are,
if
they're
not
on
a
permanent
foundation,
they're
right
now
considered
motor
vehicles,
and
so
it's
kind
of
a
hard
argument
to
make
to
hud
that
we
could
use
those
cdbg
funds
to
repair
something.
That's
already
categorized
as
a
motor
vehicle,
so
it's
a
bit
of
a
definition
issue,
but
it
really
has
some
regulation
implications.
There.
C
K
So
I
have
a
question
then
about
what
that,
if
those
are
technically
classified
as
motor
vehicles,
how
do
those
show
up
in
our
homeless
count
if
they're
not
part
of
the
permanent
housing
supply.
J
So
in
the
homeless,
count
they
would
still,
you
would
still
be
considered
housed,
but
that's
not
in
order
to
be
housed
doesn't
necessarily
mean
that
it
has
to
be
part
of
your
permanent
housing
stock
according
to
the
cdbg
regulations.
So
we're
sort
of
we're
sort
of
marrying
two
sets
of
regulations
together,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
the
categories
for
counting
someone
and
their
experience
of
homelessness
is
really
unsheltered
and
housed
and
then
sheltered
like
in
an
emergency
shelter
situation.
So
the
nuances
there
were
trying
to
get
those
to
line
up.
J
I
don't
think
that
trying
to
line
that
up
with
the
definition
of
permanent
housing
stock
is
where
hud's
been
looking
at.
That
point
in
time
count.
K
Yeah
I'm
just
I
mean
you
know.
I
would
imagine
that
if
I
was
living
in
my
car,
I
would
be
considered
unhoused
right
and,
if
you're
telling
me
that
you're
treating
mobile
homes
that
are
financed
as
personal
property
rather
than
real
property,
are
motor
vehicles.
Wouldn't
that
follow
that
I
mean
if
those
are
not
part
of
our
housing
supply,
then
that
should
increase
like
we
can't
do
it
both
ways.
We
can't
cut
these
people
out
as
not
living
in
permanent
housing
and
also
not
address
it
from
a
homeless
services.
Standpoint.
J
That's
an
interest
that
is
an
interesting
argument
and
I
think
it
might
warrant
further
discussion.
I
think
that's
something
that
this
committee
could
certainly
take
up,
as
you
know,
part
of
its
advisory
role
and
and-
and
you
know
really
kind
of
wrestle
with
that-
I
know
andy.
You
suggested
that
other
communities
might
have
already
made
similar
changes.
I'd
be
interested
to
hear
how
how
they
have
tackled
this,
especially
in
north
carolina.
I
know,
there's
other
states
that
may
very
well
have
already
taken
on
mobile
home
repair.
J
In
that
way,
I
think
one
of
the
questions
I
would
include
in
that
conversation
is,
you
know
the
consideration
as
you're
looking
at
home
repair
some
of
the
cd
vg
regulations
allow
for
for
those
to
be
structured
as
loans
and
that
then
you
end
up
with
a
lien
on
the
on
the
on
the
real
property,
and
so
I
think
that
looks
a
little
different
if
you're
talking
about
something,
that's
titled
as
a
motor
vehicle,
which
is
not
something
that
you
would
even
consider
when
you're
doing
a
point
in
time,
count
like
somebody's
living
in
their
car
and
you
know
knocking
on
the
window
and
saying
hey,
you
know:
do
you
have
a
lien
against
this?
J
No
we're
here
to
just
figure
out
who,
in
our
community,
is
in
need
of
housing,
so
some
of
some
of
those
nuances
kind
of
fall
into
place
quickly.
So
that
would
be
something
else
I
would
consider
is
like
looking
at
the
the
nature
of
the
rest
of
the
cdbg
regulations
regarding
housing,
rehabilitation.
It's
it's
a
it's
a
sort
of
a
bigger,
it's
a
bigger
ball
of
wax
than
than
simply
taking
a
census
of
how
many
people
are
unsheltered.
K
Right
right
well-
and
you
know,
I
think,
that's
I
mean
obviously
there's
there's
more
to
unpack
here.
A
lot
of
the
you
know
most
of
the
cdbg
funded
repairs
that
happen
locally.
K
Aren't
you
know
there
there
isn't
a
lien
placed
against
the
property
on
those
they're
they're
under
that
lean
amount.
I
I
just.
I
would
challenge
us
as
a
committee
to
think
about
this
and
this
definition
of
permanent
from
a
couple
of
different
standpoints
right,
so
we
have
when
we
look
at
manufactured
homes.
We
know
that
the
you
know
the
the
older
units
that
are
pre-hud
code
can't
be
moved
so
they're
in
effect
permanent.
They
can't
you
know,
they're
not
going
anywhere
they're
they're,
where
they
are.
K
I
think,
when
we
look
at
the
folks
that
certainly
the
folks
who
are
mobile
home
residents,
who
are
reaching
out
for
assistance
with
repairs,
lower
lower
wage
workers,
fixed
income,
households
that
are
in
mobile
homes,
you
know
if
they
don't
have
the
resources
to
repair
their
home.
They
certainly
don't
have
the
resources
to
move
that
home
out
of
our
community
or
to
move
it
to
a
different
site
or
to
treat
it
as
anything
other
than
a
permanent,
their
permanent
home.
K
I
think
the
other
piece
to
consider
is
there's
really
nowhere
for
them
to
move
those
units,
particularly
if
they're
in
you
know,
if
they're
in
need
of
repair,
there's
not
a
park,
that's
going
to
accept
them,
even
if
they
are
post
hud
code
and
somehow
we
have
a
means
for
those
folks
to
to
move
those
out.
You
know
I
we're
about
to
we're
about
to
send
a
project
to
the
city
from
our
repair
program
for
cdbg
funding.
We
don't
expect
it
to
be
approved.
K
It
hasn't
been
approved
in
the
past,
but
it's
a
it's
a
manufactured
home
in
in
shiloh
on
a
on
a
pier
and
ground
acre
foundation,
so
not
a
permanent
foundation,
but
it's
got.
You
know
at
least
two
site-built
editions
attached
to
it.
It's
it's
not
going
anywhere.
It's
a
permanent!
You
know
it's
a
it's
a
permanent
home
and
you
know
I
we
we've
just
gotta,
we've
gotta
be
a
little
bit
more
creative.
K
I
think
about
how
we
think
about
the
role
that
these
units
play
in
our
housing
supply,
and
I
just
challenge
us
to
keep
keep
pushing
on
that
and
if
it's,
if
it's
not
possible,
to
find
a
pathway
to
to
use
federal
funds
to
use
cdbg
for
this,
I
think
we
really
need
to
think
about.
You
know
the
potential
for
local
funds,
funds
that
have
some
more
flexibility,
because
it's
you
know
the
the
means
that
someone
uses
to
finance
their
home,
whether
it's
you
know
real
property
or
personal
property.
K
You
know
the
means
that
they
use
to
attach
it
to
the
ground,
underneath
them
shouldn't
shouldn't,
determine
their
access
to
health
and
safety
and
a
dignified
place
to
live,
and
we
shouldn't
be
in
a
place
where
we're
denying
public
resources
that
are
available
to
other
households
to
some
households,
just
because
of
the
the
type
of
financing
used
or
the
or
the
type
of
construction
technology
used
in
the
development
of
of
their
of
their
home.
So
I'm
going
to
encourage
us
to
keep
pushing
on
this
jonathan.
K
I
really
appreciate
you
digging
in
and
looking
with
looking
into
that-
and
I
know
there's
a
it's
a
it's
a
hornet's
nest
of
regulations
when
you
start
picking
this
apart
and
it's
it's
why
you
know
this.
This
goes
unaddressed
in
so
many
communities,
but
I
really
encourage
us
to
keep
looking
at
this
and
and
and
and
finding
a
path
to
yes,.
B
What
was
the
the
city
you
sent
over?
I
saw
the
link
was
a
concorde
or,
and
it
was
I
did
the
link.
It
was
kind
of
a
little
vague,
like
it
didn't,
have
any
kind
of
specifics
how
they
did
it.
It
just
said
in
some
cases-
and
so
this
is,
is
this
something
like
you
mean
we're
saying
we
we
would
like
to
discuss
as
a
committee?
Obviously
we
we've
now.
This
has
been
something
we're
saying
is
important.
We
keep,
you
know
we're
basically
being
told.
B
J
So
when
we
so
when
we
put
cdbg
funds
into
a
project,
we
have
to
follow
the
federal
regulations
and
when
hud
says
that
we
have
to
have
a
unit,
that's
considered
part
of
our
permanent
housing
stock.
We
have
to
be
able
to
defend
why
we
consider
that
unit
part
of
our
permanent
housing
stock.
So
I
think
maybe
one
of
the
other
nuances
here
would
be.
As
we
start
talking
about.
J
You
know,
mobile
units,
if
we're
talking
about
you,
know
camper
trailers,
rvs
tiny
homes
that
are
still
on
on
wheels
that
are
a
little
more
mobile
than
maybe
a
pre-1978
unit.
So
it's
it's
more
than
just
saying.
Is
this
something
we
want
to
do,
but
to
really
kind
of
dig
deep
and
say
what
does
it
mean
when
we
say
we
are
going
to
use
these
federal
funds
on
eligible
permanent
housing
stock
and
be
able
to
tell
hud
with
a
straight
face
what
what
we?
What
we
intend
to
do
with
that
money?
J
Because
if
we
don't
they
can
come
back
and
and
audit
our
our
program
and
then
then
we
have
to
pay
that
money
back
sure.
B
Can
I
ask
how
many
do
you
think,
like
andy
like
how
how
many,
if
this
was
allowed,
how
many
manufactured
homes
you
think
would
be
applying
per
year
and
what
kind
of
what
kind
of
annual
funding
do
you
think
this
would
take.
K
You
know
barry,
I
don't
know,
because
we've
this
has
been
regulations
have
prevented
us
from
from
you
know,
using
cdbg
on
these
kinds
of
projects
that
you
know
both
of
the
you
know.
Significant
repair
programs
in
the
community
made
shows,
and
ours
are
both
using
cdbg
funds.
So
we
kind
of
have
built
our
programs
around
this,
and
so
we
don't
see
a
lot
of
applications
from
folks
in
manufactured
homes,
because
we
don't
we're
not
able
to
convert
them
into
a
completed
project.
K
Very
very
often
so
you
know
they're,
I
think
in
buncombe
county
about
15
of
our
housing
stock
is
manufactured
manufactured
housing.
You
know,
we've
got
a
lot
of
parks
that
have
recently
converted
in
ownership
and
there's
a
lot
of
work
to
to
to
encourage
tenants
in
those
parks
to
either
improve
their
unit
or
you
know,
lose
their
their
spot
in
the
park.
So
that
there's
a
lot
going
on
with
this
there's,
I
think
there's
some
somewhere
around
well
use
last
one
in
2018.
K
When
I
did
this
research,
there
was
something
like
40
parks
that
showed
up
as
a
as
having
a
city
of
asheville
address.
So
you
know
again
hard
to
put
a
number
on
exactly
how
big
this
this
would
be.
But
I
don't
imagine
you
know
I
I
don't
imagine
it
being
something
that.
K
That
would
you
know
really
tax
a
local,
a
local
program.
If
we
decided
to
you
know
to
do
something
outside
of
what's
eligible
with
cdbg
funds.
K
K
Yeah,
I
don't
know
that
we
have
a
local
source
for
home
repair.
That's
that's
exclusive
to
the
city.
C
B
Well,
trying
to
think
of
next
steps
I
mean
basically,
this
is
we
have
we
have
something
we
all
feel
strong.
You
know
we
feel
pretty
strongly
on.
We
have
like
basically
a
federal
interpretation
that
could
be
in
the
way
or
maybe
we
can
look
explore
how
other
municipalities
have
gotten
past
it.
You
know
it
sounds
like
housing,
trust
funds,
not
a
tool.
K
Have
y'all
had
a
conversation
with
hud
field
office
on
on
this
question
or.
C
B
Okay,
all
right!
Well,
it
sounds
like
I
think
next
step.
Maybe
you
know,
because
we're
kind
of
just
a
we
don't
know
what
to
do
next,
let's,
let's
do
a
little
bit
of
research
like
who
else
is
doing
this
around
the
state
and
if
we
can
find
out
the
model,
a
method
that
they
figured
out,
how
to
do
it
like.
So
I
mean
obviously
someone
to
reach
out
to
con
the
concord
to
ask.
B
I
mean
it
was
kind
of
their
language
was
kind
of
fuzzy
on
it,
but
but
maybe
to
reach
out
to
other
municipalities
who
might
be
doing
it
to
see
how
they've,
how
they've
done
it,
because
it
could
be,
as
you
know,
as
you
suggested
I
mean
like
it,
could
be
going
local
hud,
the
hud
field.
You
know
the
local
officer
might
say:
oh
yeah,
you
know
you
can
do
that,
but
yeah.
C
B
Seems
like
it's
something
that's
important.
It's
coming
up
and
and
as
we
you
know
did
you
know,
I
know,
we've
been
doing
a
little
bit
of
push
towards
allowing
more
manufactured
homes
in
the
city
from
based
on
the
you
know,
based
on
the
studies,
we
did
for
buncombe
county
that
25
last
year
of
all
of
the
houses,
less
than
275,
that
sold
in
buncombe
county
over
the
year
were
manufactured
homes
so
and
and
in
the
city
there's
I
think,
there's
just
a
single
one.
B
So
it
shows
that
you
know
the
county
by
allowing
manufactured
home
has
a
as
an
affordable
housing
option
that
we
don't
have
in
the
city
and
that
we
you
know.
If
we
could
look
at
opening
our
minds
a
little
bit,
then
we
might
be
able
to
have
more
housing
stock,
david.
I
Yeah
I'd
be
happy
to
look
into
that
andy.
I
don't
know
if
that
email
and
the
document's
in
there
between
you
and
jonathan
as
far
as
you
got
with
the
research,
if
you
have
anything
else,
you
can
send
to
me
I'm
very
interested
in
in
this
issue.
I
have
clients
who
are
living
in
mobile
homes
that
are
not
up
to
the
code
in
the
park
that
they
live
in
and.
D
I
I
can
certainly
reach
out
to
concord,
but
I'm
also
going
to
be
at
the
community
economic
development
conference
and
the
frank
conference
in
wilmington
and
I'll
talk
to
a
few
people
there
and
see
what
I
can
find
out
and
I'm
getting
an
intern.
So
hopefully
I
can
present
a
little
bit
on
this.
It
does
seem
like
if
it's
working
somewhere
is
some
ways
that
you
know
in
other
places.
I
You
know
we
might
be
able
to
get
to
yes
on
this.
It's
it's
certainly
complicated
with
the
state
definition
of
of
mobile
homes
and
titles
rather
than
deeds.
But
I
I
can't
see
those
not
being
considered
permanent
housing
just
because
of
that.
I
think
you
know
without
knowing
as
much
about
the
cdbg
regulations
as
as
you
do,
jonathan
and
many
people
here
like
it
seems
like
there
should
be
some
way
to
argue
that
this
is
a
permissible.
It's
def,
it's
like
you,
know,
14
of
north
carolina's
house,
in
stock.
C
I
But
I'll
I'll
try
to
look
into
it.
If
you
guys
send
me
anything
else,
it's
not
in
the
documents
and
see
what
I
can
find
out
great.
J
B
Just
thinking
the
way
should
we
I'm
just
thinking
the
way,
the
way
our
agendas
work
now
with
this
kind
of
action
item
piece
if
to
make
sure
this
gets
documented
in
the
agenda
and
we
have
something
to
pass
along
if
we
should
actually
make
a
motion
to
kind
of
make
a
resolution
make
a
motion
that
says
we,
you
know
we,
the
affordable
housing
budget
committee,
wants
to
continue
to
pursue
this
option
of
allowing
cd
exploring
option
to
create
and
repair
funds
for
manufactured
homes.
H
Or
I
mean
or
I
mean
I
don't
know
christina-
who
I
don't
see.
A
D
H
B
It
seems
like
we
were
told
otherwise
last
time.
That's
why
I'm
trying
it's
kind
of
these
new
rules
that
we
we
haven't
really
been
trained
in
exactly
so
that,
but
there's
kind
of
these
action
items
and
unless
it's
an
action
item
voted
on
with
a
roll
call
vote,
it
kind
of
doesn't
make
it
on
to
the
minutes.
B
So
yeah,
I
don't
I
don't.
I
don't
know
we
probably
we.
We
probably
need
a
little
bit
of
update
training,
but
I
think
for
the
this
is
something
we
feel
important
about
enough
that
maybe
that
that
way
we
know
this
we're
saying
we
want
further
action
on
this
and
we
document.
B
So
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
make
a
motion
that
affordable
housing
advisory
committee
is
interested
in
pursuing
the
discussion
further
on
allowing
repair
funds
for
manufactured
homes.
B
L
D
D
D
B
All
right
next
up
are
kind
of
task
forces.
We've
got
our
build
and
connect,
that's
been
getting
together,
the
connect
you
know-
and
any
you
know
did
you
know
I
think.
Last
last
month
the
commit
you
know
the
task
forces.
I
know
connected
a
really
good
job
kind
of
fleshing
out
what
we
passed
on
to
hcd,
based
on
our
overarching
three
tasks
and
then
kind
of
creating
ways
we
can
support
that.
That
documented
was
kind
of
was
kind
of
passed
on
to
the
htd
agenda
last
month.
K
No,
I
mean,
I
think
that
was
the
bulk
of
our
conversation
last
month
on
on
april,
15th
was
preparing
for
that
hcd
conversation.
I
think
we,
you
know.
K
We
have
talked
in
the
in
the
connect
team
about
our
struggle
lately
to
recruit
and
retain
and
engage
members
in
the
committee,
particularly
folks
who,
who
bring
lived
experience
to
the
committee's
work
and-
and
we
feel
like
some
of
that
has
to
do
with
you
know
the
the
diminished
role
that
ahack
plays
as
sort
of
a
public
input
platform
around
affordable
housing,
with
the
switch
to
virtual
meetings
with
the
staff
and
hcd
transitions,
that
and
sort
of
a
focus,
even
pre-covet,
around
really
very
highly
technical
policy
review.
K
Work
has
contributed
to
sort
of
a
kind
of
disengagement
by
folks
who,
you
know,
are
passionate
about
housing,
have
really
relevant
experience
to
what
we
should
be
doing
as
a
committee,
but
but
don't
have
you
know,
kind
of
the
the
technical
subject
matter,
expertise
around
land
use
and
some
of
the
other
kinds
of
things
that
that
we've
been
spending
a
lot
of
our
time
on.
So
I
want
to
just
highlight
at
least
you
know.
K
Coming
out
of
that,
we
spent
quite
a
bit
of
time
looking
at
the
charter
of
this
committee,
and
I
want
to
just
I
want
to
just
kind
of
name
that
for
the
for
the
record
today.
So
the
you
know,
a
hack
was
really
born
out
of
the
the
work
that
the
mayor's
task
force
on
affordable
housing
did
in
2007-8
and
creating
our
you
know
our
last
community-wide
comprehensive
housing
strategy
document
that
we're
going
to
talk
about
here
in
a
little
bit.
K
But
this
this
group
was
really
created
to
to
assist
in
the
implementation
and
kind
of
monitor
that
work
specifically
to
consider
affordable
housing
policy
issues
and
advise
city
leadership
about
those
policies
to
develop
concrete
action,
steps
to
implement
the
highest
priorities
of
the
affordable
housing
plan
and
to
update
that
plan
as
appropriate
over
time
and
to
advise
city
leadership
and
staff
regarding
affordable
housing
priorities
for
the
investment
of
city
controlled
funds.
K
So
I
think
you
know
we're
as
a
work
group
really
eager
to
see
us
lean
into
that
charter
and
find
ways
to
to
use
this
sort
of
a
hack
committee
platform
to
increase
public
input
on
housing
decisions.
And
you
know
I
I
think
we're
we're
very
much
in
support
of
reviewing
and
and
the
possible
reboot
of
that
2008
comprehensive
housing
plan.
K
We
also
you
know,
kind
of
sidelined
our
the
other
project
that
we
were
working
on
to
to
get
ready
for
our
acd
presentation.
But
I
plan
to
get
back
onto
the
work
that
we
were
doing
before
around
bringing
a
proposal
for
an
equitable
development
scorecard
as
a
as
a
way
to
gather
public
input
on
affordable
housing
decisions
through
the
bay
hack
process.
So
that's
that's
about
it
from
from
connect.
B
Cool
you
know
one
thing
we
talked
about
like
the
so
it's
these
task
forces
are
different
than
subcommittees
and
I
remember
when
we
went
through
the
you
know,
defining
and
creating
these.
We
had
to
get
a
little
bit
of
input
on
them,
but
one
of
the
things
about
a
task
force
is,
you
are
allowed
to
invite
in
and
bring
in
to
join
the
task
force,
either
regularly
or
casual
or
occasionally
remember
you
know,
people
who
are
not
on
in
our
committee
and
that's
kind
of
what
you
know
a
lot
of
these
task
forces.
B
They
invite
other
people
in
like
when
we
in
the
build
committee.
We
always
we
we
generally
invite
in
like
the
home
builders,
association
and
members
of
that,
and
and
we
usually
kind
of
bring
in
like
a
another
discipline
like
we've
had
ricky
come
to
meet
ricky
hurley
come
to
meetings,
we've
had
kevin
johnson
from
msd,
but
so
you
know
that's
one
of
the
things
that's
allowed
to
bring
in
outside
input
into
it,
and
one
of
you
know
kind
of
what
andy
was
saying
like
one
of
the
things
you
know.
D
B
We
look
at
kind
of
our
overarching
three
goals
and-
and
you
know
that's
what
we
advertise
for
new
members
for
it's
what
you
know
it's
kind
of
our
overarching.
What
we're
supposed
to
follow.
You
know
we're
following
we're:
basically
upholding
a
plan
that
was
created
and
that
hasn't
been
updated
since
2008.
B
and
that's
why
we
kind
of
got
have
that
attached
to
this
agenda
to
kind
of
really
start
the
discussion
of
like
okay.
Well,
this
is
a
lot
has
changed
in
14
years,
especially
you
know
around
housing.
So
you
know
we've
got
you
know
we're
going
to
be
able
to
kind
of
tackle,
tackle
that
my
understanding
is,
there
isn't
necessarily
a
you
know,
there's
ideas
in
like
amongst
staff
about
updating
it,
but
I
don't
think
there's
an
initiative.
That's
been
created
to
update
it.
B
So
you
know
it's
one
of
the
one
of
the
clear
things
about
you
know.
The
definitions
of
our
charter
is
we're
supposed
to
uphold
that
plan
and
make
recommendations
to
change
it.
So
I
think
that's
kind
of
one
thing
that
we
we
decided
okay.
Well,
we
can
grab
the
bull
by
the
horns
on
this
one
and
we
can
start
to
tackle
that
because
it's
you
know
it's
it
hasn't.
You
know,
that's
really
old.
B
The
law
has
changed
so
so,
but
that
is
one
thing
that
what
we
you
know
what
we
can
look
at
we'll
have
this
conversation
a
little
bit
later,
but
how
we
tackle
how
we,
how
we
tackle
that,
because
you
know
it's
an
80
page
document
and
I
don't
know
if
we
kind
of
look
at
like
what
it's
about
production
and
what
it's
about
like
policy
and
then
how
we
can
use
our
task
forces
outside
of
our
meetings
to
discuss
this.
B
So
we
we
have
action
that
can
you
know
happen
and
then
each
of
those
task
forces
report
to
our
committee,
so
we'll
see
we're
going
to
kind
of
hit
that
a
little
bit
later.
You
know
like
how
we
want
to
tackle
that,
but
you
know,
but
I
just
want
to
share
that.
The
using
our
task
forces
is
a
tool
to
bring
in
other
people
and
how
we
can
have
kind
of
in-depth
discussions
about
things
that
aren't
necessarily
part
of
this
meeting.
B
You
know
other
than
you
know
on
our
on
our
build.
You
know
our
next
step,
we,
you
know,
we've
had
a
lot
of
these
meetings,
we're
working
on
kind
of
putting.
We
really
want
to
start
getting
our
document
together
of
almost
like
the
the
what
we've
met
with
all
of
these
different
people
and
what
is
the?
What
is
the
you
know
the
it's
like
the
venn
diagram?
What
is
that?
What
is
the?
B
B
What
we're
working
on
you
know
the
last
meeting,
I
think
the
last
meeting
we
had
to
build
was
when
we
had
george
marsani
join
us
who
just
who's
just
you
know,
he's
the
he's
owned
a
lot
of
the
larger
mobile
home
manufacturing
parks
in
town,
and
he
just
he
shared
that
he
just
sold
them
and
we
were
asking
him
kind
of
like
you
know
we,
I
think
we
asked
him
like
what
is
the
difference
like
he.
His
his
developments
had
a
pretty
we're
different,
like
they
had
a
really
good
reputation.
B
They
were
clean
and
we
were
just
kind
of
like
exploring
with
him
like
what
is
it
that
he
felt
made
his
parks
different,
and
you
know
it
was
helpful
to
hear
that
and
then
not
so
excited
to
hear
that,
then
you
know
it's
an
out
of
town
developer
out
of
town
property
owners
who
bought
his
developments,
and
he
had
heard
that
the
rents
have.
B
You
know,
already
gone
up,
something
like
I
think
he
said
like
200
a
month
per
pad
and
that's
common
with
I
mean
I
it's
common
with
with
the
rents
increasing.
You
know,
I'm
sure,
you're
hearing
a
lot
about
this
david
with
I
mean
I
can't
I
can't
believe.
Besides,
like
the
house
prices
going
up
so
much
how
much
I'm
hearing
about
rents
for
individuals
is,
their
leases
are
renewing
or
going
up
700
dollars
per
month.
B
I
mean
I
was
just.
I
was
just
shocked
to
hear
that
like
these
are-
and
these
are
like
you
know
my
this
is
coming
from
some
of
my
thirsty
monk
employees.
I've
got
employees
who
are
having
to
really
now
leaving
they're
moving
they're
having
to
move
back
home
move
elsewhere,
because
their
rents
are
going
up
like
an
amount.
That's
just
not
even
feasible,
I
mean
700.
I
think
they
were
saying.
One
was
a
thousand
dollars
a
month
increase
with,
like
the
extra
fees.
C
So
you
know
it's:
it's.
B
It's
a
it's,
a
it's,
a
it's
a
predicament
and
but
you
know
I'm
always
I'm
glad
you
know
that's
what
I
do
enjoy
so
much
about
our
task
force.
Is
we
have
the
opportunities
to
bring
in
other
people
and
really
chat
with
them
in
our
task?
Forces
to
you
know,
get
their
perspective
and
then
we
can
lean
on
that
as
we
move
forward
and
make
decisions
joe,
oh,
I
thought
her
hand
was
up
and
he
just
left
all
right.
E
This
is
scott
I'll
just
quickly,
chime
in
on
bill
barry
and
chris.
I
know
I
met
with
you
guys
and
I
promise
you
edits.
Those
will
be
coming
in
the
next
week
or
so
I'm
just
trying
to
get
around
to
those,
but
we
yeah
just
for
the
for
the
rest
of
the
committee,
just
as
a
heads
up
so
bill
has
met
with
several
different
entities
and
this
msd
sewer
asheville
fire
a
couple.
E
Different
builders
and
we've
basically
got
a
google
document
as
sort
of
a
summary
of
our
notes,
and
I've
been
tasked
with
just
trying
to
reorganize
that
a
little
bit
more
and
I'd
be
glad
to
share
that
with
the
whole
committee.
Once
I
get
it
in
a
little
bit
more
readable,
digestible
format
so
that
you
all
can
just
peruse
that
also
just
planning
to
create
a
table
of
contents,
you
could
click
on
a
given
link,
so
it's
not
necessarily
having
to
eat
the
whole
elephant
at
one
time.
C
Okay,
moving
on,
I
did.
B
Not
watch
p
and
z
last
night
with
the
planning
and
open
space
amendment.
Anyone
want
to
share
what
happened
last.
E
Night,
this
is
scott
again
I
attended.
I,
I
fought
till
the
bell
rung
the
open
space
text
amendment
and
an
accompanying
rezoning
were
heard
last,
and
that
was
I
think,
about
eight
o'clock.
E
The
planning
and
zoning
commission
voted
five
to
one
in
favor
of
the
amendments
they
did
not
put
in
favor
of
the
rezonings.
Those
were
on
two
city-owned
parcels
that
were
acquired
through
urban
renewal.
It's
the
grant
center
and
a
fire
station
that
are
along,
I
believe,
livings.
I
think
it's
livingston
primary
concern
there
being
just
the
questions
on
the
you
know,
standing
steady
resolution
to
put
a
pause
on
any
sale
or
rezonings
of
city-owned
properties
that
were
acquired
through
a
renewal.
E
The
basic
issue
of
the
the
rationale
for
the
the
proposed
rezonings
is
that,
under
the
proposed
open
space
text
amendments,
those
properties
would
become
non-conforming,
so
that
was
the
that
was
the
staff's
rational
approach
to
it.
But
you
know
there
was
discussion
on
that,
so
the
planning
was
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
kind
of
I'll,
say,
split
hairs
on
it.
You
know
didn't,
approve
the
reasoning
but
gave
their
tasks
at
approval
five
to
one
with
chair.
Archibald
voting
no
on
endorsing
the
proposed
amendments,
so
those
should
go
on
to
city
council.
C
Thank
you.
What.
B
H
I
can
I
can
answer
that.
Oh,
I
think
barry
froze
just
to
give
you
all
background
those
parcels
when
we
did
the
rad
form
code,
we
created
a
new
district
called
rad
open
space,
and
that
was
a
district
that
was
both
parks,
greenways,
but
also
community
facilities.
H
So
it
was
a
very
flexible
zoning
district
because
we
knew
we
had
the
grant
center
and
the
fire
station,
and
I
wasn't
at
the
meeting
last
night
but
part
of
the
reason,
the
other
part
of
the
reason
we
wanted
it
to
be
rezoned
so
that,
like
the
grand
center,
is
doing
their
project
now,
but
they
could
have
a
phase
three
or
you
know
whatever
we're
just
trying
to
not
paint
ourselves
into
a
corner.
But
we
can
come
back
and
do
that
and
really
to
me
what
it
points
out
is.
H
The
county
has
something
similar
and
that's
a
typical
practice
in
cities
that,
where
you
have
a
zoning
district,
that's
really
about
you
know
your
parks,
your
fire
stations,
police
stations,
libraries,
you
know
right
now,
most
of
ours
are
in
residential
districts,
so
we're
fine.
For
now.
I
think
if,
if
we
needed
to
redevelop
the
fire
to
station
or
another
phase
of
grant
center,
we
would
we
would
be
doing
something
with
the
zoning,
because
now
we're
we're
kind
of
hemmed
in
on
the
open
space
part.
But
that's
fine.
E
That's
a
good
summer
summary
sasha
and
also
it
was
pointed
out,
ricky
hurley
was
at
the
meeting
and
it
was
pointed
out
that
to
the
I
guess
to
the
north
of
the
grant
center,
that's
largely
already
reserved
for
tree
save
and
stream
buffer
and
whatnot.
So
it's
in
terms
of
its
future
development
potential.
You
know,
I
think,
largely
what's
occurring
with
the
community
center
now
and
the
expansion
of
the
pool
and
whatnot.
I
think
that's
you
know
it's
pretty
pretty
well
baked
for
what's
happening
on
that
site,
but
yeah.
E
B
No
sorry,
I
live.
I
I
have
unstable
internet
where,
at
my
house
I
actually
live
off
of
verizon
hot
spot.
I
don't
have
any
broadband,
so
I
keep
filming
all
those
buncombe
county
forums
that
ask
about
broadband
that
are
getting
mailed.
I
keep
filling
them
out
because
I
have.
I
have
no
wired
internet
available
to
my
house.
So.
E
No
worries
very,
I
think
I'm
also
have
I'm
having
camera
issues
being
out
here
in
far
eastern
buncombe
county
today.
So
yeah,
okay,
just
appreciate
that
you
all
can
hear
me
but
yeah
since
you
dropped
out
the
call
yeah
sasha.
Just
briefly
noted
that
the
you
know
current
or
future
zoning
or
rezonings
of
those
properties
should
not
be
any
real
major
issue.
C
All
right
next
up.
B
It's
been
kind
of
hanging
out
there
for
all
the
scaled,
affordable
housing,
rebates
or
credits
for
shorter
length
commitments.
And
again,
I
guess
our
conversation
is.
What
do
we
do
with
this?
This
is
something
that
we've
talked
as
a
committee.
Is
something
we'd
like
to
consider
and
look
into
it's
just.
What
is
our
action
on
it?
B
You
know
so
one
of
the
you
know
one
of
the
you
know
one
of
the
examples
I'll
just
use
for
this,
like
just
as
how
I
at
least
how
I
see
what
what
we're
missing
in
this,
like
smaller
developer,
with
a
small
with
a
lesser
commitment,
is
so,
let's,
let's
talk
about
like
thrives,
kate,
pets,
programs
I
met
with
kate,
like
they
have
their
own
private.
You
know
they
have
like
a
grant
and
they
have
some
funding
where
they're.
B
So
if
a
landlord
is
willing
to
a
landlord
is
willing
to
try,
you
know
renting
and
accepting
vouchers
they
can
offer
it's
like
kind
of
like
a
and
then
it's
almost
like
a
damage
indemnity
like
a
security
deposit
indemnity
and
they'll
give
the
landlord.
I
think
it's
like.
I
don't
know.
If
there's
a
two
thousand
dollars
like
there's
a
little
bit
of
a
credit,
they
can
give
a
little
incentive.
They
can
give
the
landlord
from
their
grant
funds.
But
what
they're
finding
is
on
the
follow-up
years?
B
They
really
don't
have
that
funding
and
that
most
private,
probably
if
you
asked
a
private
land,
a
private
like
landlord.
How
long
would
they
be
like
willing
to
commit?
But
you
know
probably
the
term
they're
saying
as
well.
You
know
I
want
to
try
it,
maybe
for
three
years
five
years
and
without
and
really
right
now
we
don't
have
anything
in
the
city
of
asheville
that
I
know
of
that
doesn't
necessitate
a
20-year.
B
You
know
minimum
20-year
deed
restriction,
and
so
the
question
kind
of
came
with
luigi
that
so
you
know,
if
you
look
at
luigi,
if
a
large
developer
comes
luigi
is
available,
it
can
be
used
for
as
little
as
two
units
like
traditionally,
it's
been
used
for
larger
developments.
You
know,
let's,
let's
say
someone's-
got
100
unit
development
and
they're
going
to
do
the
luigi
by
offering
20,
affordable
so
basically
they're
offering
20
units
they
get.
They
basically
get
the
tax.
B
So
the
question
is
what
why,
if,
if
as
a
private
landlord,
if
you're
willing
to
offer
for
let's
say
you
know
even
whatever
the
length
even
two
years,
what
like
can
you
do
a
luigi
and
get
the
property
taxes
invaded
for
the
years
that
you
agree
without
having
to
you
know,
sign
that
20-year
commitment,
because
it's
so
that's
kind
of
where
this
you
know
where
I
look
at
like
that's
that's
an
example
of
a
scaled
rebate
program
that
would
incentivize
other
people
it
would
offer
you
know
an
incentive
to
smaller
landlords
to
do
it
without
having
to
you
know,
I
would
use
this
get
married
before
you
date
kind
of
example
that
and
we-
and
I
don't
know
of
any
tools
that
we
have
now
and
I've
been.
B
You
know,
that's
why
I've
kept
this
on
the
agenda
so
long.
We,
you
know
the
simplest
tool
we
used
to
have
was
a
fee
rebate
program
based
on
the
first
turn
that
kind
of
went
away
years
ago.
So
right
now
I
don't
know
of
any
programs.
We
have
that
don't
have
a
20-year
commitment
and
the
question
is
especially
if
you
increase
your
percentage
of
affordable
units
like
if
someone's
got
two
rental
units
and
they're
willing
to
put
both
of
them
towards
affordable
housing.
C
K
Thanks
mary,
I
I
want
to
follow
up
on
your
comment
at
the
beginning
of
that
which
is
sort
of
what
the
process
piece
of
this.
So
how
do
we?
How
do
we
get
this
off
of
the
you
know,
just
sort
of
endlessly
bopping
along
the
our
agenda
here
and
and
actually
take
something
so,
and
so
I
guess
this
is
maybe
more
directed
to
the
staff
on
the
call
I
mean,
I
think,
we've
determined
that
we
don't
have
the
authority
necessarily
to
tell
you
all
what
to
do
so.
K
What
would
it
would
it
would?
It
I
mean
is
the
most
helpful
thing
that
we
could
do
as
a
committee
to
to
go
ahead
and
draft
a
sample
policy
document
for
your
review
and
to
bring
to
hcd
on
these
kinds
of
things
I
mean
I
I'm
I'm
really
stuck
at
this
point
with,
like
you
know
what
what
lever
do
we
pull
to
to
make
these
things
happen?
We
we've
talked
about
this
and-
and
I
think
I've
have
agreed
that
it's
a
it's
a
tool
that
could
be
useful,
but
how
do
we?
K
How
do
we
take
the
next
step
on
it
and
without
adding
to
staff?
You
know
to
staff's
workload,
but
at
the
same
time
I
mean
again.
None
of
us
are:
are
experts
in
drafting
public
policy?
That's
not
really
what
we
do
so
I
mean
what
what
would
how
would
you
how
what
would
be
helpful
to
move
some
of
these
ideas
into
it?
You
know
into
a
point
where
they're
ready
for
implementation
and
can
be
approved
by
hcd
and
adopted.
H
H
Again,
I
can't
make
promises
about
you
know
when
or
if
that
would
happen,
but
I
think
that
would
be
a
part
of
that
right.
So
I
think
if,
if,
if
ahax
said
to
staff,
you
know
here's
some
things,
we
think-
and
maybe
you've
already
done
this
and
I
haven't
gone
through
all
your
documents
and
it
sounds
like
you've
got
a
great
google
doc
which
scott
I
please
share
with
staff
too,
because
I'm
really
interested
to
see
that.
H
But
it
sounds
like
if
you
have
some
like
goals
of,
like
I
just
heard,
barry,
say
shorter
terms
or
things
like.
If
you
had
specific
goals
or
things
that
you
could
say,
these
are
the
holes
we're
looking
to
fill
and
then
and
then
maybe
we
get
to
a
point
where
we
say
yeah
help
us
draft
policy,
but
I
don't
know
that
we're
we're
not
there
yet,
but.
B
This
could
be
any
one
of
those
ones
that,
because
this
is
also
you
know
from
our
meeting
with
a
with
htd,
that
we
we
are
going
to
have
this
kind
of
agenda
link
up
that
we
would
recommend
something
here.
B
That
then
gets
at
least
discussed
by
hdd,
or
is
it's
a
prior,
or
at
least
we
say
it's
a
priority
and
it'll
get
linked
to
their
agenda,
whether
you
know
what
they
choose
to
do
with
it,
you
know
will
be
up
to
them,
but
say
you
know,
but
I've
had
discussions
where
they're
you
know
will
agree
to
be
linked
and
passed
along,
because
it
would
be
helpful
to
know.
B
If
so
we
don't
spin
our
wheels
like
it
might
say,
from
a
like
hcd
might
or
the
council
wouldn't
say
we
don't
we're
not
interested
in
that
and
from
some
of
my
you
know,
understanding
of
some
of
them.
I
there
might
not
be.
They
might
have
no
interest
in
that,
and
it
would
be
really
good
to
get
clarification
on
that
before.
We
all
spend
our
time
and
feel
like
we're
wasting
our
time,
which
is
you
know
what
happens
so
many
times.
Is
that
we've
done
all
this
stuff?
B
We've
done
all
this
work
staffs
all
those
times
worked,
then
it
goes
to
hd
and
then
they're
like
well.
You
know
we're
not
really
interested
in
that
because
it
doesn't,
you
know,
doesn't
accomplish
this,
so
you
know
that's.
Where
kind
of
this,
our
idea
of
like
going
to
hcd
with
one
or
two
priorities
a
month
of
like
hey.
This
is
something
we
think
is
important
to
discuss
because
they
might
say
you
know
no
we're
not
if
it
doesn't
have
20
or
a
long-term
affordability.
B
We
don't
want
to
change
any
policies
and
that
way
we're
not
wasting
our
time
on
it.
So
you
know
this
might
be.
This
might
be
one
of
those
andy
that
we've
had
this
kind
of
floating
on
our
agenda
for
a
while,
we
basically
said
hey.
We
think
this
is
important,
but
we
haven't
had
any
input
from
council
people
who
are
really
if
we
came
up
with
anything
they're,
the
ones
who
are
going
to
say
man.
I
want
that
or
yes
I
like
that.
B
So
maybe
I
think
you
know
getting
their
input
on
this
would
be
valuable,
so
we
don't
feel
like
we're
wasting
our
time.
Staff
doesn't
feel
like
they're
wasting
their
time.
K
So
do
we
need
to
do
we
need
to
make
a
motion
on
making
this
one
of
the
priorities
that
we
would
send
forward
to
hcd
as
an
agenda
item,
and
you
know
draft
some
sort
of
you
know
some
sort
of
statement
saying
you
know
here's
what
we
would
here's.
What
we
think
is
would
be
helpful
around
a
scaled
housing
rebate
or
tax
credit
program
and
we'd.
Like
your
you
know,
I
mean:
do
we
need
a
motion
on
that?
J
J
That
sort
of
sort
of
working
between
those
two
options
is
to
what
you
said
earlier:
andy
like
providing
a
written
summary
of
what
it
is
that's
being
put
forward.
I
know
in
the
past
that's
sort
of
been
encapsulated
in
emotion
or
in
really
long
detailed
minutes
and
so
maybe
being
able
to
condense
that
down
into
a
one-page
memo
or
something
like
that
that
just
outlines
hey.
This
is
what
we,
as
the
community
have
discussed.
We
are
considering
and
then
that's
an
option
for
one.
J
It
goes
in
as
part
of
the
meeting
materials
for
this
committee
and
then,
if
it
is
something
that
you're
interested
in
sharing
either
with
staff
with
hcd
or
the
community,
then
you've
got
a
written
document
that
says
like
hey.
This
is
this
is
what
we're
this
is
what
we're
working
on.
J
This
is
what
we're
pursuing
and
it
gives
you
something
to
you
know
to
to
react
and
or
respond
to,
and
I,
and
that
said,
like
kind
of
the
email
that
I
shared
earlier,
you
know
that
was
part
of
the
materials
for
the
cdbg
re
repair.
You
know
it's,
it's
got
some
information
in
there.
J
You
know
it
kind
of
gives
some
definition
to
the
topic
and
kind
of
talks
about
it,
so
I'm
just
saying
that
might
rather
than
everything
being
having
to
fall
back
to
an
action
item
on
the
minutes,
but
also
something
that
you
know
can
be
can
be
passed
along
rather
than
committee
members
at
hcd
having
to
review
review
the
the
video
of
this
meeting
or
read
through
you
know
long
notes
is,
you
know,
maybe
a
summary.
C
B
Well,
how
do
we
feel
about?
I
mean,
let's
tell
you
what
let's,
let's
keep
that,
let's
just
keep
that
discussion
open
and
then
we'll
get
because
we're
going
to
get
to
that
section
of
the
agenda
about
our
hcd
committee
pass
along,
but
I'm
going
to
put
a
little
star
next
to
that,
because
for
me
that's
one
that
I
would
like
to
I'd
like
to
get
there.
B
I
would
like
to
get
input
on
on
the
peop
you
know
like
if
we're
supposed
to
be
recommending,
affordable
housing
policy
adjustments
and
changes
and
they're
the
committee
that
would
oversee
it.
I
would
like
to
know
before
investing
much
time
in
it.
If
there's
any
appetite
for
it
or
else
we're
kind
of
just
spinning
our
wheels.
H
I
will
just
say
that
the
one
thing
that
I'm
you
know
that
I
think
if
I
had
a
room
full
of
all
the
department
members,
the
one
concern
that
would
come
up
would
be
probably
from
finance
because
we're
giving
up
tax
revenue
in
the
future-
and
I
know
you're
talking
short
term-
and
I
hear
you
but
that's.
That
is
a
question
like
how
much
tax
revenue
can
we
give
up
overall
right
like
what's
our
it's,
not
even
just
a
political
but
like
even
financially?
How
much
can
we
start
foregoing?
K
K
Well,
on
that
I
mean
on
the
tax
I
mean
you
know
the
rise
in
property
values.
That's
that's
largely
driving
the
affordability
challenges
locally
should
you
know,
should
theoretically
be
self-correcting
out
of
increased
tax
assessment
and
tax
collection
right
so
like
we,
we
should
have
more
resources
to
address
this
problem
because
of
the
the
you
know,
the
way
the
problem
is
manifesting
itself,
so
you
know
whether
we
collect
more
and
use
it
to
subsidize,
affordable
housing
or
rebate
more
tax
like
this
is
you
know
this.
K
This
problem
and
its
solution
are
linked
when
it
comes
to
property
tax
collection.
So
you
know
I,
while
I
understand
that
concern
sasha,
I
also
feel
like
we,
you
know
like
the
the
solution
is
built
into
the
is
built
into
the
problem,
largely.
H
H
Believe
me,
I
want
to
give
as
much
as
we
can
to
affordable
housing,
but
we
just
have
to
keep
in
mind.
There's
all
these
other
things
that
the
city
does,
that
we
need
funds
for,
and
it's
it's
kind
of,
a
perpetual
problem
we're
in
with
the
way
we
have
more
people
coming
to
the
city
than
actually
pay
taxes,
and
all
that
so.
B
L
Yeah,
I
would
say
two
yeah:
the
property
values
are
going
up
accelerating
up,
but
the
other
thing
that
we're
facing
is
our
costs.
Are
you
know
if
inflation's
hit
everything
the
city
is
doing
doing?
I
mean
obviously
anything
that
does
water
treatment,
materials
for
water
treatment,
the
fuel
costs
are
out
the
roof
and
it's
like
we're
very
service
delivery.
Heavy.
I
mean
everything.
Almost
everything
that
we
all
do
is
touching
people
I
mean
we
involve
high-touch
contact.
L
I
mean
all
our
police,
our
sanitation,
it's
all
it's
heavy
personnel-wise
because
we're
not
producing
a
good
but
because
we're
producing
a
service.
So
it's
the
same
thing
we're
chasing
trying
to
chase
up
wages
that
are
trying
to
you
know
to
support
the
staff,
because
we
have
less
and
less
staff,
even
living
in
the
city.
L
So
yeah
it's
the
same
place.
I
think
and
we've
I
remember
I
got
here
in
2011
and
12
was
lauren
bradley
had
put
out.
You
know
the
iceberg
is
melding
report
because
we're
as
sasha
alluded
to
we're
constrained,
we're
basically
becoming
an
inelastic
city.
We
can't
chase
growth
beyond
our
borders.
L
We
can
only
do
voluntary
annexation.
We're
wholly
stranded
to
redevelopment,
so
so
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
ability
to
gain
new
revenue.
I'm
not
saying
that's,
not
a
good
idea
and
in
other
states
they're
able
to
kind
of
split
how
they
tax
industrial,
commercial
properties
at
a
different
rate
and
north
carolina
is
a
level
field.
You
know
some
states,
they
can
do
a.
L
L
Everybody
is
at
that
line
and
I'll
tell
you
another
thing
with
commercial
properties
that
we
learned
is
that
it's
not
really
the
building
value.
Theirs
is
more
like
it's
more
like
return
on
investment.
What
you
can
make
off
the
building
and
chris
day
sees
this
a
lot
where,
if
you
have
an
appraiser,
do
the
evaluation
of
the
building
based
on
a
depreciate
cost
method
or
like
reconstructed,
those
values
come
back
much
higher
than
what
the
tax
office
has
assessed
that
commercial
property.
L
So
if
you
kind
of
look
at
some
older
commercial
properties
around
town,
you'll
be
like
wait,
a
second
that
fast
food
restaurant
should
be
worth
three
hundred
thousand
dollars,
but
we
can
quickly
an
appraisal
says
it's
worth
a
hundred
thousand
dollars.
It's,
because
how
state
law
requires
the
commercial
tax
value
to
be
assessed.
L
So
I
mean
it's
really
weird
we're
saying
it
andy
is
so
I'm
not.
This
is
my
opinion.
I
probably
should
say
it's
on
a
meeting,
but
I'm
not
sure
if
commercial
properties
are
bearing
the
full
value
of
the
taxi.
Now,
there's
probably
some
that
really
are
okay,
that's
something
to
think
about.
B
Yeah,
I
think
there
are,
I
mean,
there's
a
couple
of
you
know
again.
When
I
look
at
lou
hanging
fruits,
it
wouldn't
necessarily
cost
the
city
money.
You
know
one
example
I
think
andy
and
I
were
just
talking
about
it.
There
used
to
be
the
fee
rebate
policy
that
basically
the
city
just
puts
the
stamp
on
it
and
really
the
funding
comes
from
msd
and
it's
basically
just
rebating
the
msd
fees
and
the
border
fees
and
half
of
the
development
fee.
So
it's
pretty.
B
It's
almost
like
it
cost
the
city
very
little,
but
it
was
enough
of
an
incentive
like
for
the
build.
You
know
for
a
builder
of
new
rental
units
or
homes
that
you
know
it
was
like.
It
was
like
four
thousand
dollars.
It
wasn't
a
lot,
but
it
was
enough
that
could
make
a
difference.
B
Like
I
mean
example,
in
my
case,
what
I
would
do
with
those
when
we
would
get
those
we
would
turn
we
would
turn
them
back
and
we
would
turn
them
back
as
an
expense
for
the
buyer
and
do
a
prepaid
pmi
to
like
remove
pmi
from
their
mortgage.
So
I
mean
it's
like
there's:
it's
not
a
big
tool,
and
but
it
didn't
cost
the
city
any
money
and
there's
a
couple
of
things
out
there.
B
You
know
like
that,
but
but
I
think
it's
just
the
more
the
we
have
to
kind
of
get
it's
almost
like.
We
want
this
philosophical
blessing
like
from
the
people
from
the
council
members
like.
Are
you
open
to
this
or
not?
Because
I
you
know
we
learned
from
our
frustration
with
down
payment.
If
you're
not
like
we
spent,
we
don't
want
to
do
something.
If
we
don't,
we
know
you're
not
open
to
it,
because
you're
not
going
to
change
your
mind.
We've
learned
that.
B
But
yeah,
I
think,
let's
I'm
going
to
we'll
move
on,
because
I
know
we
got
a
big
agenda,
we're
kind
of
tracking
time.
So
next
next
up
is
kind
of
our
our
work
plan.
Section,
the
you
know,
there's
one
section
report
back
from
meeting
with
hcd:
it
was
an
interesting
meeting
with
hcd,
you
know
margie
and
the
joe
and
I
were
live
on
it.
I
know
I
know
a
lot
of
you.
Others
followed,
you
know.
B
Basically
I
mean
honestly,
the
gist
I
got
out
of
it
was
really
most
of
hed
isn't
very
interested
in
affordable
housing.
It's
not
a
priority
for
them
and
we
were
pretty
much
told
our
you
know
like
that:
affordable
housing.
We
were
asking
for
a
slot
on
their
agenda
because
we
think
affordable
housing
is
number
one
pretty
much.
We
were
told
that
well
what
about
all
the
other
committees
that
we
can't
prioritize
you
over
them
and
it
was.
It
was
a
little
shocking,
but
I
get
it.
B
I
guess
you
can't
have
your
favorite
children,
but
on
the
back
end
you
know
I
had
some
discussions
with
the
chair
of
hdd
and
even
though
I
came
out
of
the
meeting
understanding
that
I
thought
you
know
my
my.
B
It
was
we
were
getting
close.
There
was
not
so
much
interest,
but
then
deborah
kind
of
stepped
in
and
said
yeah,
we'll
just
put
it
on
the
consideration
for
boards
and
commissions,
which
is
you
know
in
process.
But
I
was
able
to
discuss
with
the
chair
of
atd
afterwards
sage
and
it
sounds
like
we.
We
will
have
a
little
agenda
link
up
because
at
least
she
does
prioritize,
affordable
housing.
So
that's
where
this
kind
of
this
kind
of
came
from
and
so
it'll
help.
B
I
think
it
will
help
for
some
of
these
things
we're
working
on
to
get
clarification.
If
there
is
interest
from
the
other
members
of
hcd,
because
yeah
wait
again
back
to
this
last
thing
we
don't
want
to
be.
We
want
to
be
spaying
our
wheels
on
things
that
are
not
going
to
be
supported
because
we're
all
just
going
to
feel
frustrated.
B
So
that
was
the
you
know.
The
other
part
we
did
talk
about
was
for
housing,
trust
fund
and
luigi
applications
that
come
through.
One
of
the
discussions
we
started
when
paul
was
still
here
was
that
in
when,
when
this
there's
a
staff
report
created
for
each
of
these
that's
given
to
hcd
and
that
there
could
be
as
simple
as
a
a
hack
line
on
the
staff
report.
B
H
I
guess
and
jonathan
was
I:
I
need
to
go
find
back.
What
you
are
all
doing.
I
was
under
the
impression
was
that
paul
was
giving
you
updates
on.
Are
we
talking
about
luigi
sorry?
I
was
looking
at
something
for
a
second.
B
With
that
on
the
weeds
and
having
trust
fund
applications,
yeah
that
we
had
talked
at
h
like
so
years
ago,
they
used
to
when,
when
you
know
when
we
had
better
connection
with
everything
those
applications
generally
were
discussed
with
us
as
a
committee,
we're
not
a
binding
vote,
but
we
would
discuss
them.
We
would
we
would
hearing
them
then
helps
design
better
policy
and
we
would
kind
of
talk
about
them
like
oh
well,
you
know
that's.
Maybe
there
should
be
a
wider
unit
mix.
Nothing.
B
We
do
is
binding,
but
it
was
something
that
would
come
up
from
for
creating
better
policy,
and
so
that's
where,
when
paul
and
I
were
kind
of
working
out
the
how
to
because
it
kind
of
about
to
it
seems
like
it
was
about
two
years
ago,
it
stopped
running
through
us,
and
I
don't
know
why
and
we
kept
putting
and
we
kept
saying
hey.
We
want
to
see
these
what's
up
for
the
month
and
they
kind
of
just
were.
B
We
were
told
that
it
might
it's
like.
Well,
you
don't
really
need
to
see
those
and
kind
of
in
one
of
the
things
of
our
charter
is,
we
you
know,
repointing
out
is
really
to
help
about
direct
the
funds
used
for
affordable
housing.
So
I
kind
of
disagree
with
that.
B
We're
not
we
shouldn't
be
part
of
the
discussion
of
how
funds
are
allocated,
even
if
it's
not
a
binding
vote
where
to
look
at
you
know
we
we
have
a
lot
of
technical
experience
in
this
that
can
offer
you
know
that
could
offer
whether
it's
you
know,
unit
mixes,
whether
it's
percentages
whatever
and
but
I
it
definitely
seems
like
you
know
revisiting
what
our
charter
is.
It's
certainly
part
of
our
top
three
priorities.
H
A
H
Roll,
so
I
do
think
that
we
could
bring
you
all
updates
on
what's
going
on
and
what
applications
we've
received,
but
I
don't
I
don't
want
to
promise
to.
I
just
don't
want
it
without
talking
with
nikki
and
thinking
through
it.
I
don't
want
to
be
careful
not
over
promising.
B
Every
single
meeting,
like
which
ones
you
know,
which
ones
you
have
and
kind
of
a
lot
of
them
now
you
know
it's
funny,
as
a
lot
of
us
are
in
the
loop
but
know
a
lot
of
these
coming
in,
and
you
know
I
guess
we.
If,
if
it's
not,
it
seems
like
it's
better
to
be
sharing
it
with
us
direct
rather
than
us,
just
discuss
it
on
there.
Like
hey,
I
heard
this
one's
coming
in.
I
heard
this
one's
coming
in.
C
B
That
was
kind
of
you
know.
The
the
gist
of
what
I
picked
up
from
the
hcd
meeting
is
again
that
I
didn't
feel
that
that
affordable
housing
was
a
huge
priority
for
the
committee
and
that
or
for
some
members
of
the
committee
and
that
we
kind
of
had
a
even
though
it's
kind
of
being
trying
to
be
pushed
off
about
an
agenda
link.
I
think
we
still
have
a
method
we're
going
to
do
that.
B
I
think
after
the
meeting
you
know,
I
think
we
you
know
I'll
just
be
pretty
honest
and
because
you
know
I
can
do
that.
You
know
I.
After
the
meeting
a
lot
of
us
were
like
we're
either
all
going
to
mass
resign
or
we're
going
to
riot
and
as
committee
members,
and
I
think
I'm
more
in
the
riot
mode
right
now.
So
I
probably
we're
going
to
continue
some
of
that
and
putting
my
foot
in
the
door,
but
candy.
B
All
right
any
other
questions,
thoughts,
different
inputs
from
hcd-
and
I
will
you
know,
also
share.
I
think
I've
shared
with
some
of
you.
I'm
actually
coded
positive
right
now
running
this
with
a
slack
fever,
so
maybe
I'm
even
being
more
aggressive,
letting
the
fever
speak,
really
how
I
feel,
but
you
know
what
it's
up
a
lot
any
other
input
on
that.
F
B
What
kind
of
we
have
on
our
agenda?
Item
number
six
is
kind
of
htv
committee,
monthly
action
pass
along
and
okay,
perfect,
yeah
and-
and
I
think
we
we
keep
it-
I
mean
I
think
even
three
might
be
too
much.
I
think
it
maybe
even
is
just
one
or
two
a
month
or
one
a
month,
because
it
we
don't
want
to.
We
don't
want
to
over.
We
have
we
have
a
very
narrow
welcome,
so
we
don't
want
to
over
use
our
welcome
and
any
other
questions.
C
B
So
next
up,
you
know,
probably
again,
you
know,
so
this
next
thing
on
the
agenda
is
kind
of
a
big.
You
know
big
discussion
and-
and
you
know,
there's
an
80,
so
the
the
last
you
know
our
committee
charter
is
basically
you
know.
Committee
was
kind
of
created,
as
andy
said,
from
the
creation.
You
know
the
mayor's
task
force
in
2007,
the
creation
of
the
2008,
affordable
housing
action
plan.
B
Our
committee
charter,
basically
uphold,
is
supposed
to
be
supporting
that
2008
action
plan
which
so
it's
linked
to
the
agenda,
we're
going
to
put
in
the
documents
and
basically
what
I
would
like,
I
think,
is
how
how
do
we
tackle
this?
Like
we're?
Not
we're
not
going
to
tackle
this
right
now,
but
because
in
this
meeting,
but
it's
an
80
page
document
and
it
is
kind
of
supposed
to
be
our
guiding
principles
for
what
we
do
and
I
think
we
need
to
kind
of
look
at.
How
do
we
tackle?
B
How
do
we
tackle
this
in
pieces?
Do
we
look
at
five
pages
at
a
time?
Do
we
look
at
what
breaks
down
by
the
topic.
B
Andy,
do
you
have,
I
mean
I'm,
not,
I'm
actually
not
sure
how
to
tackle
it,
yet
I
mean
other
than,
but
we
need
to.
We
kind
of
need
to
look
at
it
and
and
look
at
you
know,
read
all
read
through
it
and
then
kind
of
see.
How
update
you
know
is.
Is
this
really
up
out
of
date,
and
we
just
need
to
I
mean
we
just
need
to
change
some
figures
or
is
this
whole
thing
need
to
be
redone
completely.
K
Yeah,
I
mean
I've,
given
this
a
lot
of
thought
very
since
you-
and
I
first
talked
about
this-
I
mean
I
think,
the
if
I
was
going
to
sequence
the
the
work
around
this,
I
think
getting
everybody
familiar
with
the
with
the
whole
document
as
a
committee,
so
spending
some
time
with
it
over
between
now
and
and
next
month.
Maybe
at
next
month's
meeting
we
could,
you
know,
have
a
little
bit
of
discussion
about.
You
know
people's
reaction
to
to
this.
What
still
seems
relevant?
What
doesn't
then?
K
I
really
think
that
an
important
piece
for
us
would
be
to
kind
of
score
card.
You
know
were
some
things
accomplished
were
other
things
not
accomplished.
You
know
are
some
of
the
things
that
you
know
still
seem
relevant.
Do
they
you
know,
is
it?
Is
it
worth
going
ahead
and
making
those
a
you
know
an
action
item
to
track.
So
I
you
know,
I
would
say
kind
of
moving
on
that
point
and
then
you
know
figuring
out.
What's
you
know,
get
familiar
with
the
document
figure
out?
K
What's
still
relevant
kind
of
do
a
score
card
analysis
of
of
the
progress
that
was
made
toward
the
the
goals
in
the
document
and
then
start
thinking
about
what
you
know
how
to
cast
a
vision
for
something
similar
to
this.
That's
reflective
of
our
current,
our
current
state
in
the
community.
K
B
Well,
do
we
want
to
maybe
we'll
just
leave
it
after
this,
so
maybe
some
sort
of
homework
to
read
for
y'all
to
read
some
of
it.
You
know
how
much
does
like
staff
like
how
much
do
you
reference
this?
The
2008
action
plan.
B
Yeah,
it's
kind
of
even
hard
to
find
on
the
website,
but,
okay,
all
right.
Well
again,
I
think
it
kind
of
this
whole
conversation
goes
goes
in
line
with
kind
of
what
we
pulled
out
from
build
and
then
connect
about.
These
are
our.
These
are
our
goals
of
our
committee,
and
these
are
some
of
the
things
that
are
we're.
B
K
A
quick
question
to
to
staff:
I
mean
the
I
don't
recall
like
when
we
adopted
the
fi
the
last
five
year
consolidated
plan
to
hud.
I
don't
remember
a
moment
where
we,
you
know
specifically
said
this
now
like
supersedes
this
previous
document.
For
the
purposes
of
what
you
know,
this
committee
is
supposed
to
be
working
on,
which
you
know
maybe
functionally
that
is
what's
happened.
Is
that
we've
sort
of
rolled
this
thing
forward?
K
Looking
at
our
you
know,
as
we've
approved
consolidated
plans
to
hud
our
annual
action
plan
to
hud,
although
those
documents
don't
seem
to
really
address
how
we're
utilizing
you
know
local,
affordable
housing
dollars
or
how
we're
dealing
with
affordable
housing,
sort
of
non
non-funding
policies
related
to
affordable
housing,
you
know
those
those
documents,
don't
really
capture
that
so
in
the
same
way
that
this
does
so
do
you
have
a
thought
about,
like
you
know
has
this
is
this?
Is
this
functionally
obsolete
because
we're
working
off
of
those
five-year
consolidated
plans.
J
So
the
primary
the
primary
purpose
of
the
consolidated
and
annual
action
plans
is
to
inform
the
cdbg
and
home
process
our
our
working
relationship
with
hud
the
affordable,
the
local,
affordable
housing
plan
that
you
all
that
this
committee
drafted
and
adopted
and
has
been
you
know,
tasked
with
maintaining
you
know,
can
include
that
can
help
inform
that,
but
would
also
address
the
local
funding
specifically.
J
So
I
think
there
is
certainly
some
overlap.
Unfortunately,
the
most
recent
addition
to
your
update
to
the
consolidated
plan
happened.
While
we
were
all
you
know,
working
remotely
and
in
these
committees
doing
a
lot
of
things
you
know
feeling
a
little
disconnected,
but
you
know
I
know
looking
back
through
some
of
the
minutes
in
the
past
and
some
of
the
updates
that
paul
shared
you
know
just
letting
folks
know
that
those
consolidated
plans,
those
annual
action
plans-
are,
you
know,
on
the
website
and
available
for
comment.
J
You
know,
that's
that's
helpful
for
this
committee
to
help
provide
feedback
and
as
the
affordable
housing
plan,
the
local,
affordable
housing
plan
is
updated.
I
think
there's,
I
think,
there's
a
great
opportunity
to
sort
of
tag
team
to
work
those
two
documents
together
to
work
those
plans
together.
So
it's
not
just
you
know
a
static
set
of
ideals
that
stay
on
the
shelf
for
20
years.
J
B
B
Next,
up
updates
on
boards
and
commission
restructure,
there's
a
meeting
right
after
this
meeting,
I'm
at
noon
that
I
believe
that
I'm
supposed
to
go
through.
That
is
kind
of
the
first.
So
there's,
basically
a
task
force,
that's
being
created
to
look
at
boards
and
commissions
that
it's
it's
supposed
to
be
a
six
month
long.
So
I
don't.
You
know
the
the
the
whole
question
of
the
timeline
of
what
change.
What
structure?
If
it
will
change,
has
kind
of
been
all
up
in
the
air.
B
But
my
understanding
is
this
task
force,
which
is
supposed
to
be
exploring
whether
it's
a
good
idea
is
a
six-month
task
force.
So
I
don't
foresee
any
immediate
action,
even
though
I
hear
some
there's
like
some
push
from,
you
know
some
people
to
make
it
happen
faster,
but
I
don't
know
you
know
I
do.
We've
we've
had
I've
had
some
conversations
with
other
board.
You
know
so
other
boards
and
board
chairs
and
vice
chairs
are
talking
about
kind
of
coming
together
because
we
yeah
we.
B
Were
looking
at
having
like
a
chair
and
vice
chair
summit,
let's
say
that
we
all
come
together
not
to
talk
about
our
feelings
about
this
wouldn't
be
as
any
kind
of
city
sanction
or
public
meeting.
It
would
just
be
us
all
getting
together.
I
don't
think,
there's
any
we.
B
We
can't
think
of
any
rules
that
would
limit
that,
but
we're
planning
to
because
there
hasn't
really
been
a
unified
voice,
because
what
it
feels
like
any
kind
of
feedback
we've
put
in
through
the
boards
and
commissions
gets
filtered,
and
it
doesn't
really
make
it
back
as
to
what
we
really
feel.
So
I
think
we're
planning
to
look
about
getting
together.
B
So
we
put
together
our
out
our
own
unified
thoughts
on
this
from
board
chairs
and
vice
chairs,
but
I'll
be
interested
like
I
said,
the
next
meeting
I
think
is
today
and
so
I'll
report
back
what
happens
in
that
and
what
the
timeline
looks
like.
B
Other
other
item
is
on
there
is
that
rental
data
update,
I
don't
think
we've
as
far
as
we've
determined.
We
would
like
that,
but
we
don't
know
of
anyone
preparing
it.
So
I'm
not
sure
I
mean
I
will.
We
think
it's
an
important
data
to
know,
but
especially
when
we
hear
about
all
these
rising,
but
I
don't
know
what
I
don't
know
what
we
do
to
get
that
data
if
it's
not
really
being
tracked,
but
I
think
I'm
just
gonna
leave.
B
If
anyone
has
any
other
ideas
on
it
or
how
we
how
we
go
about,
I
mean
we
can't
really
commission
that,
but
but
we
all
determined
it
was
valuable
data.
We
just
don't
know
of
anyone
preparing
it.
B
Next
up,
I'm
kind
of
going
to
flip
through,
like
so
we've
got
that
our
items
for
informal
discussion,
which
are
basically
some
of
these
policies
that
we
were
talking
about
for,
like
the
luigi
for
the
smaller
developers,
the
sorghum
rentals,
affordable
housing.
This
is
stuff
that
you
know
these
are
these
are
basically
these
like
the
idea
placer,
it's
almost
like
the
idea
holder
on
our
on
our
agenda.
B
These
are
all
the
things
we've
talked
about
over
the
years
that
we've
all
thought
like
there's
some
value
in
the
conversation,
but
we
don't
know
what
to
do
with
them,
because
we
don't
it's
not
something
that
any
movement
has
happened
from
staff.
It's
not
something.
We've
got
input
from
hcd
on
like
yes,
no,
so
maybe
we
kind
of
leave
these
as
these
future.
B
These
future
atd
pass
alongs
that
we
can
flesh
out
some
to
know
to
ask
the
question.
That's
kind
of
what
I'm
going
to
do
is
when
I
kind
of
connect
with
sages,
ask
what
would
be
the
best
way
is
kenny.
What
you're
saying
jonathan?
What
would
be
the
best
way
to
come
to
hcd?
Is
it
basically?
Is
it
more
of
like
a
a
question
like
hey?
Is
there
interest
in
doing?
Is
there
interest
in
of
you
know,
in
supporting
a
shorter
term,
affordable
housing?
Or
would
you
support
that?
You
know?
B
Maybe
it's
more
in
kind
of
a
simple
question
format,
rather
than
kind
of
a
technical
policy.
I
don't
because
we're
not
going
to
have
all
that
work
flushed
into
it,
but
I
think
like
there
would
be.
It
would
be
good
to
have
some
of
that
guidance
to
know
before
we
spend
time
like
is.
Is
there
an
appetite
for
trading
off
short-term
rentals
for
affordable
housing
orders
or
not,
because
these
are
these?
Are
ideas
we've
put
out
there
over
the
years?
B
These
these
are
could
be
tools,
but
we
don't
know
we've
almost
over
the
years,
don't
know
what
to
do
with
them,
because
it's
not
something
there's
been
any
action
or
movement
on
staff
policy.
There's
not
really
been
any
direction
from
council
like
hey,
that's
a
good
idea,
not
a
good
idea,
so
we've
just
kind
of
been
collecting
them
on
our
agenda
and
this
informal
future
agenda
item.
So
maybe
this.
That
is
something
you
know
that
will
use
this
hcd
pass
along
once
a
month.
You
know
one
of
these
items.
C
E
Yeah
just
real
quickly
on
short-term
rentals.
I
guess
this
is
a
question
for
city
staff.
Is
there
any
initial
movement
from
the
city
to
respond
to
the
north
carolina?
I
think
it
was
the
court
of
appeals
ruling
on
the
city
of
wilmington,
short-term
rental
regulations,.
H
And
ricky
has
stepped
away
for
just
a
second
and
he
would
probably
be
better
suited
answer
that
question.
I
think,
from
what
I
have
heard,
that
we
are
actually
okay.
We
think
our
regulations
are
okay
and
the
one
thing
it
does.
H
We
do
have
some
legal
non-conforming,
short-term
rental
units
like
in
downtown
where
people
built
units
that
were
short-term
rentals
when
it
was
legal
to
do
that
and
all
the
commercial
districts,
so
we
had
in
those
units
we
had
them
on
this
annual
permit
thing
so
that,
because
it's
not
conforming,
so
you
got
to
get
a
permit
every
year
and
once
you,
if
you
don't
get
a
permit
for
a
year,
you
lose
it
is
that
right.
So
I
think
that
court
case
basically
said
you
don't
have
to
do
those
you
can't
enforce
that
permit.
L
Yeah,
that's
correct,
I'm
I'm
here
sasha!
I
had
to
step
away
from
the
computer,
but
yeah
I'm
here
that
that's
correct,
so
williamson
schroeder
basically
circled
around
about
permitting
and
licensing
of
rental
property,
and
that's
what
the
case
turned
on.
The
city
of
asheville
has
always
not
allowed
short-term
vacation
rentals
in
residential
zoning
districts,
so
we
never
allowed
it
in
residential
districts
and
the
court
did
say
that
it
held
zoning
hole
in
the
fact
that
we
can
regulate
you.
L
So
if
you
define
a
short-term
rental
and
you
define
the
district
that
it
can
or
cannot
happen,
then
the
land
use
controls
are
still
in
effect,
so
that
part
under
the
zoning
side
of
that
is
fine.
It
was
this
like
wilmington
was
doing
this
annual
licensing
or
permitting
registration,
and
they
also
were
doing
like
a
lottery,
so
it
was
allowed
to
happen
in
residential
districts,
but
only
with
separation
districts.
This
is
excuse
me,
separation,
distance.
A
L
Tenant
or
owner
the
operator
lives
on
premise:
you
can
have
up
to
two
bedrooms
and
two
two
neighbors
next
door
can
have
a
home
state,
so
there's
no
separation,
distance,
there's,
no
quantity
controlled
by
census,
block
or
track.
It's
meet
the
standards
of
the
code.
So
if
somebody
obtains
a
home
state
permit,
they
just
need
to
get
their
home
state.
Permit
we'll
do
that,
inspection
for
safety
and
that's
it
and
that's.
E
L
You
cannot
rent
out
a
whole
dwelling
unit
correct.
You
cannot
rent
out
a
adu,
because
I
was,
I
would
say
this.
An
adu
accessory
dwelling
unit
is
more
like
a
made-up
local
term.
We
define
that
it's
a
duplex
when
you
build
an
attached
adu
under
the
building
code.
That's
a
duplex,
because
there's
two
dwelling
units
in
the
same
principle
structure
sharing
a
I'm
not
using
the
right
term,
same
common
assembly
or.
A
L
Wall
ceiling
floor
whatever,
so
you
have
to
rate
that
barry
knows
that
you
have
to
rate
that
assembly
to
separate
those
two
dwellings
and
so
they're
separate
systems,
plumbing
heating
insulation,
whatever
that's
all
separated
now,
there's
a
thing
called
a
mother-in-law
suite
that
we've
all
heard
of
that's
where
you
have
a
an
efficiency
area
that
is
either
upstairs
downstairs
to
the
side
and
you
go
through
an
opening.
Let's
say
down
the
stairs
to
a
lower
living
area
and
there
may
be
a
bedroom
bathroom
and
kitchen.
E
A
C
B
So
that's
kind
of
what
I'm
just
going
to
kind
of
pass
over
for
time,
the
these
all
these
informal
items,
because
those
are
the
things
that
basically
we
we've
discussed,
we've
left
on
in
a
place
on
the
agenda
because
we
think
they're
important,
but
we
don't
know
we
don't
know
what
to
do
with
them,
because
there
hasn't
been
like
a
staff
movement
on
them
and
there
hasn't
been
input
from
above,
like
whether
there's
interest
in
it.
So
so
next
up,
you
know
we.
B
B
Funding
for
affordable
housing
projects
for
shorter
term
lengths
than
20
years
is
there.
Is
there?
Can
you
think
of
a
better
way
to
word
that
like,
if
we're
basically
we're
going
to
ask
this
discussion
like
okay,
we,
what
is
it?
What
is
it
we
would
ask
in
real
language.
You
know,
because
we
don't
have
to
follow
any.
You
know
what
is
it
we
would
want
to
ask
them
in
real
language
if
they
support.
So
we
know
if
we
should
move
forward
with
anything.
F
F
I
think
the
intent
would
be
for
you
know
smaller.
You
know
one
and
two
home
type
situations
we're
not
the
the
idea
of
commercial
apartments
and
that
being
lim,
you
know
minimum
of
20.
C
F
F
But
in
that
regard
I
like
what
you
brought
up
in
the
past
of
the
what
you
caught
the
the
first,
the
first
flip
or
the
fir.
However,
you
you
referred
to
it,
but
I
mean.
B
Basically,
what
I
see
it's
the
question
is,
especially
for
the
shorter
term.
Is
there
for
smaller
projects?
Is
there
appetite
for
smaller,
like
smaller
commitments
that,
where
the
it's
almost
the
funding
is
given
or
the
credits
are
given
only
on
the
years
that
it's
used
for
affordable
housing.
B
I
mean
I
mean
I
guess
I
need
some
help
kind
of
how
to
what
question
we
want
to
ask,
so
we
can
and
I
and
what
what
this
will
probably
be,
is
whatever
this
question
is,
then
you
know,
I
probably
haven't
I'll,
probably
have
the
opportunity
to
flush
that
discussion
out
with
sage,
so
she
has
background
about
what
we're
asking,
but
I
guess
I
need
some
help
on
this
question
like
what
is
it?
We
want
to
ask.
K
Andy,
I
feel
like
we've
passed,
we've
passed
a
motion
on
this
in
the
past.
Is
it?
Is
it
possible
to
go
back,
and
I
mean
I
feel
like
we
should
be
advancing
something
that
we've
all
had
a
chance
to
discuss
and
and
and
and
weigh
in
on.
I
mean.
K
I
wonder
if
it's
possible
to
go
back
and
kind
of
pull
the
language
that
we've
already
that
this
committee
has
already
approved
around
this
and
advance
that
to
hcd.
B
To
remember
it's
like
you
know,
if
I'm
writing
something
out,
I'm
like
you
know,
ahex
support
certainly
supports
exploring
shorter
length
funding
commitments
for
smaller
projects
mean
it's
kind
of,
I
think
the
gist
of
it.
It's
kind
of
an
open.
You
know
open
discussion,
whether
it's
for
rental
or
sale,
but
basically
I
think
that's.
The
idea
is
that
we're
supporting
shorter
length
commitments
for
smaller
size
projects.
K
Yeah
and
so
the
action
to
hcd
is
just
as
as
sort
of
a
signal
of
their
willingness
to.
K
To
consider
this
kind
of
policy
amendment,
if
we
you
know,
spend
the
time
to
you,
know.
B
We're
kind
of
asking
them
we're
asking
them
to
talk
about
affordable
housing,
which
they
really
don't
like.
They
basically
just
go
through
individual
applications
and
say
this
and
this
or
pick
it
apart
or
say
no
this,
but
they
don't
really
talk
about
like
policy
about
affordable
housing.
But
if
we,
if
we
do
something
and
move
it
along,
then
they
just
voted
down
yes
or
no.
So
we're
basically
saying
look.
We
don't
want
it
like
that
hasn't
been
working
because
we
don't
know
what
you're
going
to
support.
So
we
want
you
to.
B
B
That's
what
this
is.
You
know
it's
like,
so
you
know
for
us.
It
would
be.
You
know
a
hack
support,
shorter,
a
hat
supports,
exploring
shorter
length
funding
commitments
for
smaller
size
projects,
and
then
the
question
would
be.
This
is
hcd.
You
know
in
support
of
us
exploring
that
because
they
may
just
say
no
and
then
we
know
okay.
Well,
we
can
just
take
those
off
our
off
this
agenda.
Placeholder.
B
D
D
This
is
the
state
of
funding.
You
know,
personally,
I
would
be
curious
to
find
out
what
are
the
obstacles
to
moving
forward
with
this
idea,
and
maybe
there
is
a
takeaway
for
a
hack.
You
know
to
to
build
a
case
to
say
here's
what
the
opportunity
is.
Here's
projections
about
how
the
how
things
would
change
if
this
were
were
part
of
the
policy
yeah.
I
I
just
I'm
not
sure
like
what
is
the
most
meaningful
way
to
phrase
it,
but
but
I
would
be
curious
to
find
out
why
can't
we
do
this.
B
So
the
I
mean
I
guess
the
closest
we've
come
and
I
think
we
have
had
this
similar
kind
of
emotion,
andy
that
that
basically,
we've
said
we
support
shorter
lane
commitments
for
smaller
projects.
I
think
we
passed
something
similar
in
the
past
and
basically
we're
just
asking
for
that
to
be
discussed.
We
want
to
just
use
that
I
mean
for
lack
of
better
wording.
Do
we
want
to
just
ask
them
to
discuss
that?
I
mean,
and
then
we
could
see
what
like
how
this,
how
this
link
up
works.
B
I
mean,
I
think
we
need
to
see
something
to
test
it.
You
know,
and
I
I
see
what
you're
saying
babs
is
like
why.
Why
can't
you?
What
is
the
barriers
for
this,
but
maybe
they
would
talk
through
that,
but
we're
basically
saying
hey.
This
is
something
we
feel
might
be
important.
It's
been
sitting
on
multiple.
B
You
know
placeholders
in
our
agenda
for
a
long
time.
Is
this
something
you
support
as
well?
If
not
you
know,
or
should
we
not?
We
start
you
know.
Should
we
not
continue
this,
I
mean
that's
kind
of
what
we're
I
mean.
I
think
that's
with
our
frustrations
and
what
we're
all
asking
we
need
a
little
bit
better
direction,
so
we're
spending
our
time
on
issues
that
we
know
there
are
some
support
and
if
we're
saying
we
support
this,
so
we're
basically
asking
to
you
too.
B
Well,
how
about
let's
I
mean
is
that
well
I
mean
I'm,
I'm
just.
I
guess
that
wording
that
you
know
I'm
going
to
say
that
ahack
supports
shorter
length,
funding
commitments
for
smaller
size
projects
as
a
pass
along
and
I'm
gonna.
You
know
so
I'll
make
that
as
a
motion,
it's
kind
of
broad.
K
I
think
I'd
make,
I
think,
I'd
be
comfortable
with
the
motion
as
ahax
supports
the
exploration
of
or
the
consideration
of.
K
Shorter,
whatever
it
was.
C
K
We
may
find
that
it's
not
something
that
we
can
all
agree
to
support
or
you
know,
but
right
now
we
haven't.
We
want
to
know
that
there,
that
a
hat
or
that
hcd
is
supportive
of
this
committee.
Doing
that
work
and
bringing
them
back
a
recommendation
at
the
end,
for
you
know,
for
possible
adoption
as
a
you
know,
yeah
a
change
to
city
policy.
B
Yeah
yeah,
I
think
we'll
we'll
flesh
that
out
in
the
conversations,
but
basically
we're
basically
asking
for
like.
Should
we
explore
this
or
not,
you
know
so
all
right,
so
that
so
the
modified
amendment
is
ahex,
supports,
exploring
shorter
length
funding
commitments
for
smaller
projects
and
do
I
have
a
sec
second.
D
L
F
I
C
G
B
C
We'll
try
to
flesh
that
out
in
the
discussion
with
http.
Thank
you.
I
think
sasha
has
stepped
off.
Oops
offshore,
just
joined
back.
B
B
Events
and
news,
the
partner
event
with
lockstar,
is
tied
in
with
the
2022
housing
street
sheet.
Release,
which
I
think
is
in
is
that
in
some
process
of
development,
or
is
that
that's
that's
what
I've
heard
is
like
there
may
be
it's
in
process,
so
I
don't
think
there's
any
dates
for
when
that
would
be
done.
B
B
Sure
no
problem
yeah,
I
know
I
know
yeah,
obviously
there's
a
lot
of
stuff
changes
and
I
don't
think
I
haven't
heard
about
an
intern
this
year,
though,
but
we'll
follow
up
with
that.
I
haven't
had
any
date
tied,
you
know
offered
up
yet
the
other
event
I'd
like
to
plug
is
the
adus
for
aging
and
place
discussions.
So
that's
been
a
sub.
You
know
been
a
committee.
B
I've
been
on
with
aarp,
basically
about
designing
adus,
with
the
intent
of
having
some
aging
in
place,
elements
they're
doing
a
kind
of
the
talk
for
people
who
are
interested
in
adus
for
aging
in
place
on
may
11th,
and
we
need
some
people
to
sign
up
for
it.
So
I
the
link
on
the
agenda,
there's
a
sign
up
link.
B
It's
a
google
form
to
basically
fill
out,
but
basically
the
questions
are
if
you're
interested
in
adus
and
if
you're
interested
in
them
for
aging
in
place
there'll
be
a
discussion
in
quest
in
kind
of
q,
a
just
about
adus
and
what
to
understand
what
people
see
the
barriers
of-
and
you
know
it's
the
committee's-
been
working
on
that
for
a
long
time.
Very
they're,
very
passionate
about
adus
and
how
they
can
be
better
tools
for
housing.
For
you
know
we
you
know
for
us.
B
Definitely
an
interest
is
affordable
housing,
but
also
for
you
know,
for
aging
in
place
so
encourage
y'all.
We
we,
I
know
we
need
some
more
people
to
sign
up.
So
I
encourage
you
all
to
share
that
link,
which
is
on
the
agenda
with
people.
You
know
who
would
be
interested
in
participating
in
a
discussion
about
adus.
C
So,
thank
you.
Next
up.
B
Our
cd
updates,
I'm
going
to
turn
that
over
to
you,
sasha.
H
Sure,
I
guess
we
really
nikki
only
gave
me
one
update
and
she's.
First
really
sorry,
she
couldn't
be
here
today,
she's
out
of
town
for
the
day,
but
our
one
big
update
is
that
jonathan
jones
is
now
our
new
cd
manager.
I
think
is
that
the
correct
title,
jonathan
and
we're
really
excited
to
have
him
on
board,
and
it's
just
it's
going
to
be
great-
to
have
have
somebody
internal
who
knows
who
already
can
just
get
right
in
the
job
right
there
and
he's
been
doing.
K
H
Very
well
for
the
past
few
months,
so
people
are
excited
about
that.
So
congratulations
to
jonathan.
That
was
the
only
update
that
nikki
gave
me.
I
will
tell
you,
since
we
were
talking
about
this
earlier.
We
do
have
some
of
you
saw
this
at
hcd.
There
was
a
luige
application
for
217
hillyard
and
that
is
a
project
of
80
micro,
80
micro
housing
units
and
the
luige
was
for
20,
affordable
at
80
or
below
for
20
years,
and
that
location
is,
is
it's
between
the
old
hot
spot
and
the
house
on
grove
street.
H
So
by
virtue
of
its
location,
it
qualifies
for
a
lot
of
points,
so
it
was
like
a
21-year
grant
and
hcd
approved
it
two
to
one.
There
was
some
there's
some
concern
from
one
council
member
about
her
comments.
I
took
it
to
be
more
like
about
gentrification
and
changing
to
that
area,
so
that
application
will
be
proceeding
to
the
finance
committee
at
the
end
of
this
month
on
may
not
quite
in
24th
may
24th
and
then
on
may
24th
and
actually
and
then,
but
it
won't
go
to
council
until
sometime
in
june
14th.
H
I
believe
we're
a
little
backed
up
on
council
items,
so
we're
in
the
budget
process.
Right
now
so
may
17th
is
our
next
hcd
meeting
and
we
will
have.
We
have
a
luige
application
for
the
reed
creek
greenway,
plaza
conditional
zoning.
That's
read
quick,
quick,
reed,
creek
greenway,
plaza
project,
which
is
also
a
conditional
zoning.
H
The
conditional
zoning
is
scheduled
to
go
to
city
council
on
may
24th,
so
the
idea
here
is,
we
would
take
it
to
hcd
on
may
17th
finance
on
may
24th
and
then
that
evening
it
would
go
to
city
council
they've
been
waiting
kind
of
in
the
wings
for
a
while
to
to
come
forward,
and
that
is
a
49
unit,
building
and
they're,
proposing
10
units
to
be
affordable
at
60
percent
ami
or
below
for
30
years,
and
then
an
additional
two
units
to
be
affordable
at
80
or
below
for
also
for
30
years,
so
25,
overall
affordability,
and
that's
really
how
that
tax
is
going
to
be
calculated.
H
It'll
be
just
calculated
on
that
building,
because
there's
they've
got
a
couple
other
buildings
on
site.
So
it's
a
mixed-use
project,
but
I
believe
the
residential
portion
is
the
first
phase
so
and
I
didn't
come
prepared
to
present
that.
But
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions,
I'm
still
working
on
the
analysis
for
the
read
creek
one.
B
So
luigi
is
a
tax
rebate
but
like
so
the
funds
get
so
the
way
it
worked
like
that,
it's
I
mean
buncombe
county
collects
the
taxes,
the
property
owner
pays
the
taxes
and
then
they
get
a
cr
they
file
to
get
a
credit
back.
So
is
it.
Where
does
the
funding
come
from
like
because
my
understand,
like
property
taxes
are
when
you
pay
them?
Part
goes
to
buncombe.
County
park
goes
to
the
city,
so
if
it's
a
city
rebate
does
the?
Where
does
the
funds
come
from
paying
luigi
grant?
J
That
would
come
from
the
taxes
that
the
city
receives
and
includes
in
its
general
fund
each
year.
So
as
the
as
the
city's
putting
together
its
annual
budget,
we
look
at
our
tax
revenues
and
estimate
how
much
we
have
available
based
on
the
number
of
land
use
incentive
grants
rebates
that
we're
anticipating
coming
online
in
any
given
year.
B
A
Okay,
yeah,
hey
guys!
This
is
laura,
I
didn't
mean
to
interrupt,
but
we
have
a
hard
stop
at
11
30.
So
I
just
wanted
to
give
you
guys
that
warning,
because
there
is
a
meeting
after
a
hack,
so.
B
Okay,
cool
all
right.
Well,
thanks
for
that
clarification,
because
I
don't
know
if
I've
ever,
we
were
just
trying
to
like
dive
into
this
like
well.
Where
does
the
funding
come
from?
Because
I
know
there's
a
you
know
if
a
property
tax
bill
is
twenty
thousand
dollars,
that
half
of
that
roughly
a
city
half
as
county,
so
basically
it's
only
rebating
the
city
portion
of
that.
D
B
J
Role
well,
as
as
nikki
explained
a
couple
of
months
back,
the
the
community
economic
development
division,
we're
going
through
sort
of
a
bit
of
a
restructure
and
just
looking
at
the
the
sure
volume
of
work
that
our
department
shoulders
and
trying
to
make
sure
that
we've
got
people.
You
know
in
place
to
help
carry
on
all
of
that
important
activity.
You
know,
there's
the
affordable
housing
officer
who
we're
interviewing
for
now,
as
well
as
a
homeless
strategy
division
manager
that
has
been
posted
on
the
city's
website.
J
So
the
goal
is
to
take
some
of
those
some
of
the
many
many
responsibilities
that
paul
helped
oversee
and
sort
of
redistribute
some
of
those
responsibilities,
and
so
that
we
can
all
sort
of
focus
on
you
know
getting
the
job
done,
moving
the
needle
and
helping
the
community.
So
it's
I'm
excited
to
be
a
part
of
that,
but
really
even
more
excited
to
just
see
some
of
that
change
and
in
a
good
in
a
good
direction.
J
And
you
know
looking
forward
to
working
with
all
of
you
in
the
future
and
seeing
what
we
can
accomplish.
B
It
yeah,
I
know
that
yeah
the
city's
moving
forward
with
the
affordable
housing
officer
and
then
the
kind
of
the
support
role
for
that
as
well
would
be
great,
and
then
I
assume,
then
what
they're
going
to
do
is
backfill
like
hire
to
backfill.
Some
of
these,
like,
like
your
old
position,
is
then
is
that
would
that
then
get
advertised?
B
B
B
G
Hey
barry,
so
I
just
wanted
to
touch
on.
Why
that's
on
the
agenda?
We
are
looking
to
update
the
affordable
housing
calculator
and
we
needed
a
little
bit
of
guidance
on
the
rates
of
housing
in
the
community,
and
we
just
wanted
to
reach
out
to
you
all
to
see
if
you
could
help
us
out
with
getting
new
rates
to
add
to
that
calculator.
So
we
can
get
that
updated
and
then
shared
back
out
with
the
community.
C
B
So
do
you
want
so
you
want
us
to
look
at
the
the
calculators
on
the
for
it's
on
the
affordable
housing
page
of
cdfcd
right.
G
Correct-
and
I'm
also
going
to
add
that
into
the
comments
section
for
so
you
all
can
have
access
to
that,
but
yeah.
If
you
could
just
take
a
look
at
it,
and
you
know
you
all
having
you
know-
bankers
on
this
board
and
then
real
estate
agents.
We
really
feel
that
it
could
be
a
really
good
opportunity
to
work
together
to
kind
of
update
this,
so
our
community
can
have
better
access
to
know
what
they
can
actually
afford
in
asheville.
B
K
E
That,
let's,
let's
put
that
on
our
connect
agenda
for
our
next
meeting,
we'll
discuss
it.
C
Thanks,
do
we
have
any
public
on
the
co
on
the
public
comments
holding.
B
Well,
I
think
we
can
wrap
up
then.
So,
thank
you.
You
know.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
all.
You
know
thanks
for
kind
of,
I
know
we're
trying
to
figure
out
a
couple
of
new
systems
like
I
said,
I'm
I'm
doing
a
boards
and
commissions
meeting
later
so
I'll
update
on
that.
B
I'll
keep
you
posted
about
kind
of
how
it
goes
with
the
pass
along
the
hcd
about
how
that
wording
and
discussion
goes
all
right.
I
guess
with
that
we're
done
with
our
agenda
for
the
day,
and
I
want
to
thank
you
all
for,
for
you
know
coming
in
and
appreciate
you
know
kind
of
all
your
work
and
efforts
and
kind
of
like
how
we
can
feel
more
heard
and
valued
and
feel
like
we're
running
more
efficiently
and
we're
really
trying
we're
really
trying,
and
you
know,
because
we
all
we
all.
B
Feel
the
frustration,
but
I
want
to
you
know
thank
you
for
all
stand.
It's
it's
important
work
work
so.