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From YouTube: Homeless Initiative Advisory Committee – March 9, 2023
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Regular meeting of the City of Asheville Homeless Initiative Advisory Committee.
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A
Okay
good
morning,
I'm
David
Nash.
This
is
the
homeless
initiative
advisory
committee
meeting
for
March,
9th
2023.
A
I'm
gonna
start
with
a
roll
call.
I'm
here,
Lance
Crawford
is
absence.
David
Bartholomew
here
Jamie
benshoff
yeah
Sarah
Kopp,
we
Elvia
Diaz,
Rick
Freeman,
is
out
of
town
Claire
Hubbard
Trisha
Killian
Marcus
laws.
President
Dustin
mailman
Tim
mcelier,
here
Jennifer
Celeste
stored
away
is
absent.
Joel
steininger's,
absent
Jennifer
Teague
present.
A
B
A
A
A
D
In
the
last
meeting,
I
did
deliver
a
question
from
a
group
of
County
Commissioners
and
City
Council
Members,
asking
if
there
was
a
recommendation
from
this
group
for
people
to
be
compensated
as
subject
matter,
experts
with
lived
experience,
I
did
not
hear
a
formal
recommendation
with
a
vote.
What
I
I
did
see
was
a
general
support
with
some
questions
that
are
important.
D
Questions
to
ask
about
the
process,
so
I
I
would
love
to
see
if
there
could
be
a
formal
recommendation
and
I'm
sure
I'm
Not
Alone,
but
we
do
need
to
make
sure
that
the
questions
were
asked
for
what
the
application
process
looks
like,
as
some
members
may
not
apply
for
compensation.
A
A
C
A
Okay,
so
can.
E
I
can
I
I'm,
sorry
I
believe
you'll
need
to.
You
could
certainly
have
the
discussion
today
and
then
I
believe
we'll
need
to
add
it
to
the
April
agenda
for
the
actual
vote,
but
staff
could
bring
a
proposal
back
to
the
April
meeting
and
we
can
Workshop
that
with
you
all
between
now
and
then
and
then
you
could
vote
to
make
that
recommendation
in
April.
That's
right.
A
B
F
A
A
All
right
thanks
a
lot
Everybody
remember
again
to
pull
your
mics
down
and
talk
into
them
when
you're
speaking,
just
partly
for
the
room,
but
also
for
the
for
the
live
feed.
A
Emily
I'll
turn
it
over
to
you
for
homeless
strategy.
Division
updates.
E
Thank
you
and
good
morning.
Thank
you
all
for
being
here.
I
wanted
to
just
I
want
to
let
you
all
know
what
we're
doing
as
staff
as
we
go
forward
and
wanted
to
just
give
you
sort
of
an
update,
especially
as
we
have
new
staff
on
our
team.
E
As
you
know,
so
we
have
been
doing
some
work
in
our
division
to
really
sort
of
anchor
in
the
role
of
our
division
and
what
again,
since
we
have
three
three
out
of
four,
our
new
folks
on
our
team,
really
getting
clear
on
what
those
roles
are
for
people.
So
we
have
recently
had
a
staff,
Retreat
and
I
just
wanted
to
share
some
info
with
you
all
about
where
we're
at.
E
Okay,
great
so
again
as
we're
as
we
have
a
new
division
here
in
the
community
and
economic
development
department,
homeless,
strategy
division.
Some
of
what
we
have
been
looking
at
is
how
we
can
better
coordinate
with
other
systems
of
care
in
our
community.
So
we,
you
know,
as
you
all
are
working
and
as
our
community
is
working
to
really
develop
the
homeless
service
system.
E
We
know
that
a
lot
of
folks
who
are
homeless
are
also
interacting
with
other
systems
in
our
community,
like
Behavioral,
Health
and
criminal
justice
and
health
care,
and
so
we
want
to
be
sure
that
we're
identifying
opportunities
to
sync
up
that
system's
work
across
the
community.
We
have
been
we're
participating
staff
are
participating
in
the
behavioral
health,
Justice
collaborative,
which
is
a
group
run
by
the
county.
Looking
at
the
intersection
of
Behavioral
Health
and
criminal
justice,
we
also
have
been
meeting
with
shelter
and
housing
leaders
in
the
community.
E
E
We
also
have
been
doing
a
lot
of
peer
learning,
looking
at
how
other
Continuum
of
Care
are
operating
across
the
country.
So
we
participated
in
the
shelter
site
visits
in
Raleigh
and
have
also
had
calls
with
the
Continuum
of
Care
leadership
in
Orange
County,
which
is
Chapel,
Hill,
Carrboro,
Mecklenburg,
County
and
Savannah,
and
then
are
also
participating
in
the
Statewide
local
leadership
response
again
just
trying
to
trying
to
understand
what
is
working
well
in
other
communities
that
we
can
replicate
here
and
then
we
also
want
to
be
supporting
additional
resources
in
our
community.
E
And
you
know
it
takes
money
to
do
all
of
this
work
that
everyone
is
doing,
and
so
I
want
to
be
sure
that
we're
a
good
voice
for
marshaling
those
resources.
You
all
were
invited
to
participate
in
the
home.
Art
process,
which
is
federal
funding
as
part
of
the
American
Rescue
plan,
act
that
the
decisions
around
that
that's
about
four
million
dollars
for
our
four
County
Consortium
area,
but
that
funding
is
dedicated
to
folks
who
are
exiting
homelessness
and
currently,
the
allocation
plan
for
that
has
been
drafted
and
reviewed
by
the
Home.
E
E
There
will
be
an
application
process
or
a
word
process
to
determine
how
those
dollars
will
actually
be
used,
but
all
of
that
is
underway
again
to
to
bring
for
about
four
million
dollars
to
the
Four
County
Consortium
area
for
homelessness,
and
then,
lastly,
you
heard
from
we
heard
from
the
alliance
that
we
have
some
work
to
do
in
our
community
around
better
coordination
with
how
resources
are
allocated
to
support
homeless
and
housing
programs.
E
And
so
they
are
connecting
us
with
funders
together,
ending
homelessness,
I
believe
Thunder
together
to
end
homelessness,
which
is
the
National
Organization
that
supports
funder
collaboratives
at
the
local
level
to
respond
to
homelessness
in
a
more
effective
way.
So
I
think
we
have.
We
have
some
learning
to
do
about
how
that
looks
in
other
communities
and
what
kind
of
opportunities
we
might
hear
might
have
here.
E
As
you
know,
funding
from
the
Continuum
of
Care
and
the
emergency
Solutions
Grant
programs
are
the
decisions
for
those
dollars
are
funneled
through
this
group,
but
we
have
many
many
other
funding
sources
in
our
community
that
are
supporting
homeless
services
and
so
some
of
our
opportunities
to
look
at
how
that
can
be
better
coordinated
so
that
we
can
have
a
bigger
impact.
So
learning
what
that
looks
like
at
the
national
level
and
in
other
communities
also
certainly
interrupt
me.
If
you
have
questions
at
any
point.
E
So,
as
I
said,
we
had
a
division
Retreat
recently
and
I
wanted
to
part
of
what
we
did
in
that
Retreat
is
talk
about
values
and
culture
for
our
team,
our
little
four-person
team,
but
I
wanted
to
share
those
with
you
all
to
say.
This
is
how
you
know
how
we
intend
to
work
together
and
also
how
we
want
to
approach
our
work
with
you.
We
want.
E
E
I
also
know
that,
as
the
governance
work
group
and
we'll
hear
more
about
that
in
a
bit
as
the
governance
work
group
is
moving
forward
in
some
communities
in
their
Continuum
of
Care
governance
Charter,
they
include
values
and
vision
and
Mission,
and
all
of
those
are
really
important
things
for
us
to
be
thinking
about
as
we
transition
how
we
work
together
in
our
community
around
homelessness.
So
just
wanted
you
to
see
what
how
our
staff
team
is
approaching
our
work
and
how
we
want
to
be
working
with
you.
E
E
His
focus
is
on
hmis,
as
you
know,
and
really
on
developing
that
our
community's
implementation
of
that
system,
so
that
we
have
an
improvement
in
the
quality
of
our
data
and
so
that
we
are
maintaining
compliance
with
Federal
Regulations
around
that
he
is
working
with
h
with
agencies
that
participate
in
hmis,
on
annual
audits,
to
be
sure
that
we
are
that
we
have
some
consistency
in
our
application
of
hmis
across
the
community
and
that
we
are
compliant
with
the
federal
requirements
also
working
to
expand
hmis
participation,
improve
data
quality
and
we'll
be
working
on
plans
for
data
sharing.
E
That
is
a
large
project,
and
that
will
we
will
be
back
with
you
all
I.
Imagine
multiple
times
to
talk
through
how
that
might
work
in
our
community.
But
we
know
that's
an
important
piece
to
get
in
place,
and
so
Charles
is
putting
some
time
in
on
that
Debbie
is
our
training
and
development
specialist
and
is
has
a
heavy
Focus
right
now
on
coordinated
entry
and
coordinated
entry
is
just
a
bear.
It
is
a
complicated
it's
complicated.
E
We
have
a
work
group
going
and
again
we'll
hear
more
about
that
in
a
bit,
but
Debbie
is
really
building
our
sort
of
Staff
expertise
on
how
coordinated
injury
is
working
effectively
elsewhere
and
what
those
elements
are
and
requirements
are
so
that
she
can
best
support
that
work.
Group
she's
also.
H
E
Sort
of,
but
yes
so
so
the
concept
of
coordinated
entry
is
that
we
are
that
that,
rather
than
it
being
sort
of
a
maze
and
a
jumble
for
people
to
get
the
resource,
they
need
that
will
resolve
their
homelessness.
E
Instead
of
that,
the
ideas
that
we
we
develop-
a
coordinated
system,
that's
easy
for
people
to
access
so
that
they
can
quickly
get
the
resource
that
they
need
without
having
to
magically
knock
on
their
right
door
or
navigate
a
super
complicated
system.
So
the
concept
is
that
you
pull
all
of
the
people
who
need
housing
resources.
You
pool
all
of
your
housing
resources,
and
then
you
have
a
really
clear
and
transparent
process
for
how
people
are
able
to
access
those
in
some
communities.
E
I
think
it's
possible
to
incorporate
shelter
injury
into
a
coordinated
entry
system
in
our
community
we've
coordinated
entry
has
been
a
federal
requirement
since
2014
and
in
our
community.
We
have
really
focused
that
on
entry
into
housing
programs
and
that
that
piece
needs
attention
right
now
and
also
there
is
opportunity
to
look
at
expanding
that
out
and
I
and
again
we
have
a
work
group
and
we'll
hear
an
update
from
that
work
group
in
a
bit
did
that
answer.
It.
E
So
Debbie
is
also
focused
on
training
and
again.
Well,
you
all
will
hear
more
about
that
as
we
go
along
is
really
serving
as
our
expert
on
housing
resources
in
our
community
and
also
on
youth
homelessness.
E
She
is
going
to
be
doing
some
work
on
mapping
housing,
resources
and
training.
Again,
it's
really
complicated
to
for
service
providers.
Also,
it's
really
complicated
to
know
what
the
full
landscape
of
housing
resources
are
in.
Our
community
she's
going
to
be
doing
some
mapping
around
that
and
providing
some
training
looking
at
shared
housing,
which
is,
we
heard
a
recommendation
from
the
alliance
about
implementing
a
shared
Housing,
Initiative
I
believe
within
12
months.
Shared
housing
is
an
important
strategy
and
a
complicated
strategy
and
needs.
E
You
know
it's
tough
to
have
roommates
and
also
roommates
are
an
effective
way
to
make
housing
affordable
for
all
of
us
at
some
point
in
our
lives
and
so
a
strategy
that
we
have
some
opportunity
to
build
out.
I
think
in
our
community.
E
I
would
I
would
estimate
about
10
times
the
amount
of
funding
that
the
city
is
receiving
through
those
settlements,
and
so
we
want
to
be
sure
that
we
are
synced
up
with
the
County's
efforts.
I
know:
there's
been
some
Council
discussion
recently
about
how
we
can
do
that
so
much
more
to
come
on
that
front.
E
All
right,
lastly,
for
us,
Charles
submitted
the
system
performance
measures,
February
28th.
That
is
one
of
the
four
annual
reports
that
we
provide
to
the
federal
government,
and
we
will
I
had
said
last
month
that
we,
we
hope
to
present
that
information
to
you
all
this
month.
We
didn't
quite
have
enough
of
a
window
between
the
submission
deadline
and
the
need
to
publish
meeting
materials,
and
so
we
will
look
to
do
that
at
the
April
meeting,
but
that
that
has
been
submitted
and
then
point
in
time.
E
Count
reporting
is
underway,
and
we
at
you
all
may
recall
from
last
year
that
the
processes
that
HUD
opens
the
homelessness
data
Exchange
and
where
we
submit
the
data
through
that
website.
That's
not
yet
open
for
submission
and
they've
not
yet
announced
a
deadline
for
the
point
in
time.
Submission
based
on
the
past
I
would
guess
that
will
be
late,
April
or
May,
and
we
are
hoping
to
be
able
to
share
results
with
you
all
in
April
hold
that
tentatively.
But
that
is
our
hope
and
then.
E
Lastly,
the
housing
inventory
count
is
also
underway,
and
that
is
or
another
Federal
report
that
pairs
with
the
point
in
time
count.
So
housing
inventory
count
is
looking
at
on
the
same
night
as
the
point
in
time
count
when
we
had
X
number
of
people
who
were
experiencing
homelessness
and
some
of
whom
were
unsheltered.
E
How
many
beds
were
available
in
our
community
and
and
what
type
of
beds
were
they
you
know,
were
they
emergency
shelter,
transitional
housing,
permanent
housing
and
what
population
were
they
dedicated
to
and
then
of
those
how
many
beds
were
utilized
and
how
many
beds
were
open
on
the
the
same
night
as
the
point
in
time
count.
So
all
of
that
is
being
compiled
right
now
and
again,
we'll
present
that
to
you
all
and
and
also
submit
that
to
HUD
by
the
deadline
is.
C
We
still
extract
that
data,
though
tell
me
more
so
in
other
cities
we
have
like
a
lot
of
plots
of
land,
including
so
when
we
do,
let's
say
the
city
at
the
end
of
the
year
has
a
ton
of
property
right,
even
unpaid
property,
for
taxes.
C
We
know
what
those
properties
are,
so
we
know
what
we
have
to
use
for,
let's
say
building,
so
we
know,
even
if
we
decide
that
we
can
build,
let's
just
say,
60
houses
and
then,
by
the
end
of
that
people
have
paid
their
taxes,
so
we
can
only
build
40..
We
know
what
we
have
to
use
or
we
what
we
can
work
with.
So
it's
an
idea
of
of
how
we
or
what
we
can
and
can't
do.
So
if
the
city
is
sitting
on
property,
then
let's
use
those
properties.
C
Understood
but
the
the
NC
501
says
you
know:
I
treat
it
like
archery.
It
says
number
one
says
to
be
bold,
to
says,
to
create
and
three
sets
to
build
and
build,
not
in
the
sense
of
just
building
something
but
to
build
on
what
is
already
there.
So
we're
not
just
following
Spokane
or
any
other
city
where
we're
Asheville.
We
want
people
to
build
off
the
bus
too
so
and
then
to
focus
on
our
goals.
C
So
so
that's
what
I'm
trying
to
do
so
I
want
to
see
what
we've
what
we
have
to
work
with
in
general.
So
those
are
my
bold
ideas.
D
A
All
right,
we
started
late,
so
I'm
going
to
try
and
catch
us
up
a
little
bit
on
the
old
business.
We
have
two
items.
One
is
a
request
process
that
staff
put
together
for
letters
of
support
from
the
Continuum
of
Care.
This
has
been
kind
of
Lucy
Lucy
in
the
past,
and
I
I
appreciate
staff
wanting
to
set
up
a
system
so
that
so
that
we
will
all
have
input
and
actually
vote
on
those
letters
of
support.
So
that
was
in
your
packets
I.
E
I'll
just
add
that
this
is
follow-up
to
to
last
month's
meeting,
where
we
looked
at
what
elements
should
be
included,
so
this
is
just
approval
of
the
the
form
that
was
developed
based
on
that
conversation,
so
no
additional
content
here.
This
is
just
the
the
actual
form.
A
So
if,
if
you're
an
agency
and
you're
applying
for
funding-
and
you
need
a
letter
of
support
from
the
Continuum
of
Care
access,
this
form
staff
will
bring
it
to
us
at
their
net
at
our
next
meeting
and
that's
when
the
decision
will
be
made.
So
can
I
have
a
motion
on
that
motion.
Second,
okay,
Marcus
and
Dustin.
C
I
was
just
looking
at
some
of
the
the
forms
that
have
come
through
and
I
concur
with
a
lot
of
what
has
been
said,
one
to
not
do
anything
in
haste,
but
because
I
have
more
time
to
look
at
them
and
to
be
able
to
ask
questions.
I
think
there
are
a
lot
of
things
on
those
forms
that
need
to
be
answered.
E
Yes,
so
on
this,
so
this
forum
is
what
we
will
publish
on
the
city's
website
and
we
will
share
this
out
with
partner
agencies
so
that
folks
have
a
heads
up.
E
So
we
are
recommending
that
agencies
would
submit
those
requests
via
the
form
to
our
division
by
the
first
Thursday
of
the
month,
and
that
would
give
you
all
a
week
to
review
the
fourth.
We
would
include
that
in
your
meeting
materials,
but
that
would
give
you
a
week
to
review
prior
to
a
vote
at
your
meeting
on
the
second
Thursday
of
the
month.
I
C
And
my
statement
about
the
the
monetary
amount
is
that
you
might
not
like
what
you
get
because
of
the
way
you've
presented
yourself.
So
if
there's
a
better
question
in
in
cases
where
something
is
like
well,
that
sounds
great,
but
you
know
there
was
something
that
sounded
better,
but
you
know
there's
a
lot
of.
Sometimes
things
are
semantically
incorrect
or
verbally,
just
not
cohesive,
so
journer.
A
Okay,
we
can
add
an
encouragement
in
here
for
people
to
attend
the
meeting,
everybody
okay
with
that
any
other
questions
or
comments
all
in
favor
any
opposed
unanimous.
A
A
So
this
is
the
language
that
is,
that
we
discussed
and
is
proposed
to
be
included
in
the
maintained
Fidelity
to
data
and
evidence.
Data
will
guide
all
decisions
in
program,
funding
policy
and
system
design
changes.
As
part
of
this
commitment,
the
COC
will
employ
quality
services
which
reflect
the
COC
Community
Values
to
promote
quality
services.
The
COC
will
provide
training
and
evidence-based
approaches,
including
housing,
First,
trauma-informed,
Care
and
harm
reduction
across
the
service
delivery
system.
A
That's
one
change,
and
then
the
next
change
is
on
the
next
page
addition
about
Equity
the
COC
will
promote
diversity,
equity
and
inclusion,
bypoc,
lgbtq,
plus
and
disabled
populations
by
creating
an
environment
that
allows
all
who
have
been
left
behind
to
participate
and
contribute
fully.
Additionally,
Equity
Equity
will
be
reflected
in
all
decisions,
especially
those
involving
funding,
access
and
delivery
of
services.
J
B
J
I
think
marginalized.
A
good
word
I'm,
also
wondering
about
a
word
like
disinherited
to
where
it's
it's,
not
just
that
folks
aren't
getting
their
needs
met,
but
that
they're
being
cut
off
completely.
At
this
point.
A
H
Jamie
for
those
of
you
who
came
to
the
breakfast
with
Asheville,
Council
and
safety
or
read
those
comments,
there
is
a
push
back
for
housing.
First
and
I.
Don't
know
if
there
would
be
any
discussion
around
that
is
housing.
First,
a
HUD
policy.
A
Housing
first
is
a
HUD
policy
and
it's
a
local
policy
I.
Can
we
park
that
question
for
a
while,
because
it
is
a
fairly
large
discussion
and
I.
Don't
think
that
housing
first
in
particular,
is
an
equity,
focused
item
but
well.
B
J
J
Yeah
I
am
wondering
if
we
could
scroll
up
a
little
bit
where
we're
talking
about
housing
first
and
trauma-informed
care
and
harm
reduction,
I'm
wondering
if
there's
potential
to
add,
culturally,
culturally
appropriate
or
culturally
contextual
care.
That
seems
to
be
a
part
of
what
we're
talking
about
here
next,
but
when
we're
when
we're
discussing
the
disproportionate
number
of
people
of
color
who
are
affected
by
homelessness,
if
the
cultural
competency
piece
is
left
out,
we're
missing
a
massive
bulk
of
who
who
we're
aiming
to
serve.
A
A
J
J
So,
where
I
was
pointing
specifically
was
to
this
last
sentence
of
the
maintained
Fidelity
to
data
and
evidence
that,
in
addition
to
housing,
First
trauma-informed,
Care
and
harm
reduction
that
we
might
add
cultural,
competency
or
culturally
appropriate
as
language
I've,
also
seen
in
our
community.
A
J
I
A
I
personally,
I
think
all
who
have
been
marginalized
is
sort
of
technocratic
language
and
doesn't
really
focus
on
our
mission
and
our
our
focus
on
homelessness.
J
Disinherited
was
a
word
that
I
used
I'm,
also
wondering
if,
because
in
in
other
capacities,
we
use
this
language
a
Justice,
impacted
or
impacted
by
homelessness,
something
that
communicates
the
intersectionality
of
diversity,
equity
and
inclusion
and
homelessness
is
what
I
hope
we
could
aim
for.
I
So
whatever
word
gets
us
there
I'm
just
a
little
afraid
that
left
behind
doesn't
Target,
specifically
the
systemic
issues
that
exist
within
practice
and
policy.
What.
E
A
H
My
homelessness
was
the
result
of
Economics
poor
choices,
as
well
as
what
you
were
saying
about.
The
system
I
really
like
the
idea
of
including
that
language
in
there,
because
it
is
a
significant
impact,
marginalized,
doesn't
cover
it.
I
Happy
to
revise
it,
but
I
still
think
we
need
to
identify
specifically
what
that
is
and
I
think
there
was
a
question
just
based
off
what
Dustin
said,
with
the
clarification
that
Emily
had.
Do
you
mind
us
eight
years
when
we
come.
A
I
think
I
mean
I
that
when
Emily
asked
the
question
that
we're
not
looking
for
people
who've
been
systemically
impacted
by
homelessness.
We're
looking
for
people
who
have
experienced
homelessness
because
of
systemic
racism
and
other
other
issues
in
our
community.
J
But
but
as
we
look
at
what
what
proceeds
in
this
sentence,
it
is
saying
that
having
the
lgbtqia
identity
in
being
a
person
of
color
and
these
issues
of
diversity
and
Equity
that
this
has
systemically
impacted,
they're
kind
of
spiral
into
homeless
Ness.
So
this
is
where
my
language
is
coming
from
is
all
of
these
populations
that
we've
listed
are
systemically
more
impacted
by
homelessness
than
folks
who
are
not
so
we're
hoping
to
Center.
Those
voices
is
what
I'm,
seeing
here.
D
If
I
might
just
a
reminder
that
in
the
last
meeting
we
also
talked
about
our
disabled
Neighbors,.
I
I
believe
Elvia
said
disenfranchised.
I
also
feel
like
that
starts
to
speak
to
the
system
issues
at
present,
I,
don't
know
how
the
group
feels
about
that
language
who
have
been
disenfranchised
to.
A
All
right
any
further
discussion,
so
without
coming
back
for
another
vote
next
month,
we're
going
to
change
the
words
Left
Behind
to
disenfranchised
in
this
item,
all
in
favor
any
opposed.
A
Thank
you.
So
we
have
a
motion
to
do.
We
have
a
motion
to
approve,
as
amended
for
the
policy
I
mean
for
the.
F
A
L
To
have
you
here,
thank
you
so
much
so
I
want
to
thank
each
of
you
for
letting
me
have
this
opportunity
to
be
here
with
you
all
today.
As
it
was
mentioned,
my
name
is
Kevin
Bates
I
am
the
executive
director
of
Swannanoa
Valley,
Christian,
Ministry,
Swannanoa,
Valley,
Christian,
Ministry
or
sbcm,
as
we
call
it
is
a
team
of
committed
staff,
volunteers,
churches
and
Community
Partners
working
together
to
meet
the
crisis,
needs
of
our
neighbors,
both
housed
and
unhoused
in
the
Swannanoa
Valley.
L
While
this
often
takes
the
form
of
food
and
clothing
or
direct
financial
assistance
for
for
rent
for
heating
for
medical
or
water
bills,
one
of
the
most
important
things
we
can
do
for
our
neighbors
is
to
offer
a
compassionate
presence
and
a
listening
ear.
Poverty,
as
we
know,
is
all
incredibly
complex.
It's
emotionally
draining
and
it's
often
dominated
by
A
Narrative
of
Shame.
L
Our
hope
is
to
begin
to
push
back
against
that
Narrative
of
Shame
by
communicating
dignity
and
sacred
Worth
to
all
of
our
neighbors
and
as
we
help
them,
navigate
the
complex
realities
and
systems
of
poverty
to
meet
their
immediate
and
critical
need.
You
know,
admittedly,
we
fall
very
short
of
those
lofty
goals,
but
as
I
always
talk
about
even
in
something
like
marriage
as
long
as
we're
striving
together,
it's
a
good
thing.
So
we
strive
in
that
direction.
L
C
L
143
000
pounds
of
food.
We
provided
over
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
pay
for
direct
heating
assistance,
keeping
people
warm
during
the
winter.
We
are
able
to
help
121
families
stay
in
their
homes
by
providing
rental
assistance
between
who
is
an
incredible
issue.
In
this
area
all
told
we
were
able
to
donate
or
to
distribute
300
000
of
direct
financial
assistance
to
our
neighbors
in
the
community,
and
so
much
of
this
is
because
of
our
wonderful
volunteers,
staff,
churches
and
Community
Partners,
but
beyond
crisis
needs.
L
We
also
strive
to
dig
deeper
into
relationships
with
one
another.
We
have
a
program
called
hope
for
tomorrow,
which
houses
currently
unhoused
single
mothers
with
children
in
eight
Apartments.
It's
temporary
transitional
housing
for
18
months,
where
they
receive
case
management,
Financial,
emotional
vocational
support.
L
L
We
must
learn
that
every
person
we
meet
no
matter
how
different
they
may
be
from
us
and
our
backgrounds,
our
ethnicity,
our
race,
our
religion,
our
life
experience,
every
neighbor
we
meet
is
someone
overflowing
with
sacred
worth
someone
worth
getting
to
know
and
a
friend
waiting
to
be
made
nearly
every
day,
I
say
to
someone
at
the
ministry.
Let
us
give
extravagantly
to
the
point
where
someone
will
accuse
us
of
being
wasteful.
L
L
E
Just
want
to
say
thanks
to
you
for
being
here,
Debbie
connected
with
Kevin
about
the
point
in
time
count
because
the
transitional
housing
program
that
he
mentioned,
we,
you
know,
as
you
know,
the
Continuum
of
Care
geography
is
all
of
Buncombe
County,
and
so
that
certainly
includes
the
work
that
swannano
Valley
Christian
Ministry
is
doing.
Historically,
we've
not
always
had
very
a
very
close
working
relationship,
but
we
want
to
change
that.
E
We
want
to
be
sure
that
we
are
inclusive
of
our
entire
Continuum
of
Care,
and
so
I
appreciate
you
being
willing
to
be
here
today
and
I'm,
hoping
that
we
can
really
integrate
the
work.
That's
happening
across
our
Continuum
of
Care,
so
that
we're
not
we're
not
only
focused
on
what's
happening
in
Asheville,
but
really
looking
at
the
community
as
a
whole.
L
Yeah
and
I'm
so
grateful
that
for
that,
because,
as
I
mentioned,
it's
truly
our
friends
that
we're
meeting
outside
saying
you
know
what
they're
going
through
they're
coming
to
us
each
day
and
I
want
to
continue
to
integrate,
how
we
can
care
and
love
our
neighbors
in
our
area
with
what
we're
doing
as
a
whole
County.
So
thank
you
so
much
Emily.
C
That
note
it's
been
one
of
my
things
to
notice
that
Mount
Mitchell
here
is
the
highest
point
on
the
East
Coast
and
if
there
were
a
beacon
to
be
lit,
it
is
here
for
all
the
city
so
that
we
see
each
other
in
crisis
so
that
we
know
that
there
is
a
crisis
yeah
connecting
even
our
counties
and
cities
together
is
what
we
should
be
doing.
C
There
are
people
at
the
bottom
of
Mount
Mitchell,
who
have
never
seen
the
top
to
me
that
that's
unfathomable,
so,
yes
connecting
is
wonderful
and
thank
you
for
being
here.
Oh.
A
We
have
a
10
30
hard
stop
today.
I
see
a
lot
of
folks
in
the
audience
and
I
assume
that
there
may
be
some
public
comments,
so
we're
going
to
gonna
reserve
some
time
for
that
at
10
20,
wherever
we
are
with
the
discussion
at
that
point,
we'll
stop
and
see.
If
there's
public
comment
does
that
seem,
can
I
ask
if
anybody
in
the
audience
wants
to
make
a
public
comment
not
right
now,
but
if
you
can
raise
your
hand,
if
you
hope
to
make
one,
we
have
one
here.
A
A
So
but
we
will
we'll
we'll
part
our
discussion
wherever
it
is
at
10,
20.
I
have
the
public
comment
and
reconvene
with
any
further
so
for
the
work
groups
just
to
get
my
part
of
it
out
of
the
way
and
I'll
turn
it
over.
We.
B
A
A
request
for
the
work
group
chairs
to
submit
a
written
report
every
month.
I
know
that
I'm
asking
a
lot,
but
if
that's
possible
to
do
a
half
page
or
one
page
report
saying
where
you're,
where
you
are
with
the
process
so
that
it
can
go
out
with
the
agenda
item.
So
it'll
need
to
be
done
by
the
Friday
before
our
next
meeting
in
April
and
with
that
request
and
a
nod
from
everybody
I
think.
A
B
K
Tuesday
and.
K
The
group
changed
from
the
first
meeting
to
the
second
meeting,
but
both
meetings
were
I
felt
really
great.
We've
already
had
some
strong
conversation
around.
What
coordinated
entry
is,
what
it
means
and
what
it
should
be.
Looking
like
for
Asheville,
Buncombe,
County,
I,
think
part
of
the
strong
conversation
that
really
came
up
began
around
the
court
elements
of
coordinated
entries.
K
So
we
have
been
focusing
on
access
assessment,
oh
prioritization,
and
referral
with
our
primary
conversation
beginning
around
access,
our
focus
with
access
being
what
what
are
our
entry
points
within
the
Continuum
of
Care,
meaning
who
what
agencies
are
currently
participating
in
hmis
as
well
as
what
resources
do
we
have
in
the
community
that
we
would
look
towards
having
been
a
part
of
that
coordinated
entry
system?
K
K
Not
only
to
have
them
understand
what
coordinated
entry
is,
so
they
can
make
appropriate
referrals
to
coordinated
entry
sites,
but
also
that
we
understand
once
we
get
to
those
coordinated
entry
sites,
what
the
expectations
will
be,
what
requirements
will
be
had
and
then
we'll
be
able
to
build
out
a
robust
system
for
referrals.
C
K
Mean
we
we
would
like
for
as
many
folks
as
possible
to
use
the
hmis
system,
because
it
gives
us
a
better
access
to
resources
when
it
comes
to
coordinated
entry,
the
idea
being
for
someone
that's
coming
through
the
door.
We
want
to
understand
what
their
particular
barriers
to
housing
may
be
and
then,
as
we
work
with
those
individuals,
we
can
identify
housing
resources
that
actually
matches
their
needs.
So
if
it
is
a
person
that
presents
from
lgbtq
Community,
we
want
to
match
them
with
a
Housing
Resource
that
supports
their
status
within
the
community.
So.
C
H
K
Family
I
think
I
think
that
discussion
has
not
been
had
yet,
but
it
will
be
a
discussion.
I
think,
like
David,
said
looking
at
gaps,
those
are
the
things
that
we
need
to
be
assessed.
What
that
we
have
to
assess
like
what
resources
do
we
already
have
in
the
community
that
can
be
utilized
as
a
resource
for
coordinated
injury
and
then,
as
we
identify
those
gaps?
K
I
I
What
does
membership
look
like
in
their
Community
who's?
The
lead
agency,
who's,
the
collaborative
applicant
tent
Etc
at
the
Tuesday
meeting,
we'll
be
looking
at
those
PowerPoint
slides
and
then
from
there
we'll
be
determining
the
next
steps
we
decided.
We
would
meet
twice
a
month
and
so
right
now
we
do
not
have
the
next
meeting
scheduled
after
next
Tuesday,
but
at
next
Tuesday's
meeting
we
will
determine
the
next
meeting.
I
We
did
not
schedule
a
time
frame
for
when
we
hope
to
have
our
our
work
accomplished,
but
ideally
we'd
like
to
shoot
for
sometime
around
the
first
of
July
to
be
in
alignment
with
the
fiscal
year,
but
there's
no
guarantee
that
the
charter
will
come
out
then
for
consideration,
but
we
are
working
to
develop
a
governance
Charter
that
fits
the
rcoc
here
in
Asheville
Buncombe
County,
but
that
is
in
alignment
with
some
of
the
best
practices
we've
seen
across
the
country.
I
As
far
as,
if
we
need
additional
members,
we,
you
know,
we
encourage
people.
If
you're
interested
in
the
governance
committee
to
reach
out,
you
can
reach
out
to
me
but
I
feel
like.
We
are
very
fortunate
to
have
representation.
I
I
Ideally,
we'd
have
something
like
by
the
end
of
June
is
Our
Hope.
We
haven't
formalized
that
or
confirmed
that
there's
some
conversation
about
maybe
wanting
to
talk
with
some
of
the
cocs
that
we're
looking
at
so
I.
Think
after
we
see
how
different
the
cocs
are,
that
we're
looking
at
those
three
that
I
mentioned
that'll
help
to
guide
really
what
a
time
frame
may
look
like
for
developing
a
document.
I
Governance
crc's
outside
of
the
ones
that
the
alliance
recommended,
but
the
committee
decided
to
focus
on
the
three
that
the
alliance
submitted
so
Spokane
Washington,
Houston,
Texas
and
San
Diego
California,
okay,.
A
How
do
we
feel
about
that
timeline?
Could
we
could
I
request
that
we
have
a
draft
for
circulation
with
the
Hayak.
B
A
G
So
we
were
able
to
meet
earlier
this
week.
The
meeting
was
mostly
getting
to
know
each
other,
setting
up
a
meeting
schedule
and
making
some
plans.
G
We
will
be
reading
a
meeting
on
a
weekly
basis
Mondays
at
four.
For
one
hour
from
now,
until
May
we
have
a
goal
of
producing
a
proposed
or
recommended
encampment
policy
to
bring
to
Hayak
by
May.
So
right
now
the
immediate
work
plan
was
just
to
look
at
some
of
the
recommended
encampment
policies.
G
Everyone
read
them
think
about
how
they
might
work
in
Asheville,
bring
other
encampment
policies
and
things
send
those
out
to
the
group
and
maybe
talk
about
those
on
Monday
or
perhaps
bring
them
back,
but
that's
our
first
goal,
of
course,
with
Outreach,
that's
a
a
goal.
We
don't
want
to
let
time
pass
on
either
so
part
of
what
we'll
be
discussing
on
Monday
is
kind
of
how
to
how
to
attack
both
how
to
not
wait
on
either
and
we
may
break
up
into
smaller
groups.
G
There
was
discussion
at
our
first
meeting
about
who
needs
to
be
there
that
isn't
there,
so
people
are
going
to
you
know,
reach
out
to
their
communities.
Do
some
thinking
about
who's,
not
in
the
room.
We
are
fortunate
to
have
two
people
with
lived
experience.
We
have
a
lot
of
people
who
have
worked
with
encampments,
so
I
feel
like
it
is
a
good
group
and
we
we
don't
want
to
get
too
large,
but
we
want
to
make
sure
you
know.
I
A
Okay,
shelter:
we
have
a
good,
solid
group,
including
a
couple
of
elected
leaders
and
a
person
with
lived.
A
Up
to
about
10
people
now
so
just
still
manageable
in
terms
of
size
and
and
has
been
fairly
productive,
we
we
have
decided
to
focus
initially
on
touring
the
shelters
that
we
currently
have
and
transitional
housing
programs
to
make
sure
that
we
have
an
adequate
Baseline
knowledge
of
what's
in
our
community
and
what's
what's
missing,
we
meet
on
Monday
afternoons
at
two
o'clock
generally
once
every
week
and
we
had
an
excellent
tour
of
the
transformation
Village
from
abccm
last
Monday
I.
A
A
J
Any
questions
well,
I
have
more
of
a
com,
it's
kind
of
a
question
Tim
you
you
offered
something
on
Monday.
That
was
really
helpful
about
the
difference
between
shelter
beds
and
program
beds.
Could
could
you
lift
up
that
that
differentiation,
because
I
think
as
far
as
what
what
the
public
should.
F
Spot,
no,
that's!
Okay,
now,
I
I!
Think
as
we're
you
know
doing,
our
inventory
accounts
that
we
just
need
to
make
the
the
you
know.
The
distinction
between
you
know,
program,
beds
and
shelter
beds,
because
there
is
a
you
know,
a
difference,
especially
if
we're
talking
about
you
know
low
barrier,
shelter
and,
and
that
sort
of
thing,
because
you
know
the
I-
think
the
majority
of
providers
in
the
community
that
do
this
type
of
service,
like
transitional
housing.
You
know,
whatever
all
have
programs
that
people
participate
in,
and
you
know
around
those
programs.
F
You
know
people
need
to
make
commitments
about
what
they
want
and
what
their
goals
are,
and
you
know
what
they're
looking
for
and
that
sort
of
thing
so
and
and
it's
a
long
you
know
a
long-term
commitment,
so
I
just
think
that
that's
that's
an
important
distinction
that
we
that
we
need
to
make
because
low
barrier
shelters
is
something
totally
different
from
transitional
housing
or
you
know
the
other
kind
of
different
programs
that
we
have
in
the
community.
So
I
think
it's
really
important
to
you
know
to
understand
that.
J
Yeah
and
Tim
I
asked
you
to
mention
it,
because
we
kind
of
collectively
came
to
the
realization
that
the
only
shelter
so
to
say
that's
in
existence.
Is
these
micro
shelters
right
now,
which
one
of
them
will
will
close
if
they're
not
able
to
hit
the
their
ten
thousand
ish
dollars
that
they
need
to
close
out
the
month
and
the
other
one
is
losing
their
building
and
may
not
function
at
the
end.
So
at
the
end
of
March
31st,
not
to
stir
too
much
urgency,
but
there
will
only
be
program
beds
available,
not.
A
J
A
We
can
also
speak
of
it
in
terms
of
emergency,
shelter
and
transitional
housing,
but
we
have
a
lot
of
transitional
housing
programs
in
our
community
that
are
working
with
people
over
a
longer
period
of
time
to
get
them
ready
for
ready
for
housing
housing
ready
in
that
way,
and
we
have
a
very
limited
resources
place
where
people
can
just
come
and
spend
the
night
and
not
just
have
a
place
to
sleep
at
night,
but
you
know,
engage
in
other
ways
to
try
to
move
them
toward
housing.
A
We
need,
and
what
we
have
right
now
includes
the
the
new
micro
shelters
is
code
purple.
That's
the
closest
thing
that
we
have
to
a
low
barrier.
High
access
entry
people
can
come
in.
They
don't
have
to
sign
up
for
a
program;
they
don't
they.
They
just
have
to
be
presenting
in
a
safe
way,
so
not
making
threats
to
other
people,
but
there
are
no
other
barriers
to
them
coming
and
spending
the
night.
A
I
want
to
thank
you
for
that.
I
think
we
have
some
of
the
some
of
them
are
operating
as
winter
shelters,
meaning
they
aren't
they're
open
every
night,
regardless
of
the
temperature
and
some
are
operating
under
our
code.
Purple
model,
which
is
you
know
only
on
the
coldest
nights,
and
one
thing
to
think
about
going
forward,
is
whether,
as
a
interim
measure
before
we
build.
B
A
Add
another
new
shelter
facility
in
our
community,
whether
we
could
expand
our
winter
program
next
year
to
include
to
not
just
be
code
purple
but
to
be
a
low
barrier,
winter
shelter
across
the
community.
So
that's
that's
part
of
the
discussion
that
we're
having.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you
Dustin
and
Tim
for
yeah
and.
L
F
Sort
of
thing-
and
you
know
I-
think
it's
it's
important
to
point
out
that
you
know
just
like
David
said
just
a
minute
ago.
What
what
we
just
stated
here
was
nothing
any
different
than
what
the
Consultants
you
know
found
when
they,
you
know,
came
to
the
community
and-
and
you
know,
did
their
due
diligence
here.
Whatever
so
I
mean
it's
just
restating
of
what
what
has
already
been
put
out
there.
So,
but
again,
thank
you
David
for
for
that
right
and.
B
A
B
A
Of
us,
and
especially
for
the
elected
leaders,
to
to
see
what's
going
on
at
transformation
Village
and
to
have
this
conversation.
F
D
D
I
got
a
a
document
from
staff
that
gave
me
a
better
picture
of
what's
happening
in
the
work
groups.
It
shows
the
four
work
groups.
It's
called
Hayak
work
groups,
membership.
It
shows
when
the
group
is
established.
The
initial
meeting
the
meeting
schedule,
which
governance
Jen
you
mentioned,
doesn't
yet
have
a
regular
meeting
time
who
the
chair
is,
who
the
Hayek
members
are
and
who
the
non-hayak
members
are.
D
D
A
The
work
groups
not
subcommittees,
we
are,
you
know,
relying
on
the
chairs
to
keep
things
organized
and
to
come
up
with
a
deliverable
at
the
end
of
the
process.
We
are
not
recording
them
and
I.
Don't
think
it
would
be
productive
to
do
that
at
this
point,
but
but
it's
not
because
we
don't
want
to
be
transparent
if
anybody
wants
to
participate
in
one
of
those
meetings,
you
know
make
that
happen.
D
So
the
one
thing
that's
missing,
then,
if
anyone
did
want
to
participate,
is
where
they
are,
the
document
doesn't
show
how
I
would
know
where
they
are
where
they
are
isn't
published
anywhere.
It's
not
even
in
this
document.
So
could
we
do
another
round
of
maybe
helping
to
understand
I
have
some
understanding
of
where
they
are
because
I'm
looking
at
a
document
that
no
one
can
see,
for
example,
I
know
that
coordinated
entry,
it
says,
is
initial
meeting
February
28th
meeting
weekly
at
Wednesdays
at
nine,
but
where.
K
K
Been
virtual
and
I
think
Debbie
has
been
very
awesome
about
making
sure
that
we
have
some
leading
notes,
but
I
I
don't
know
what
every
other
work
group
is
doing,
but
I
feel
like
moving
forward
that'll,
be
something
that
Debbie
and
I
will
discuss
to
try
and
keep
everybody
abreast
of
our
activities.
E
All
work
groups
are
meeting
virtually
right
now
and
I
I'm
happy
to
include
the
spreadsheet
that
Kim
mentioned
in
meeting
materials
on
an
ongoing
basis.
If
that
would
be
helpful
just
as
a
as
a
reference,
it's
exactly
what
she
described
so
just
a
a
list
of
what
the
four
work
groups
are.
Who
the
chair
is
when
the
meeting
schedule
is
and
who
is
on
each
work
group.
D
So
how
would
someone
access
a
virtual
meeting,
for
example,
one
of
the
reasons
that
I
asked
for
this
understanding
was
I
wanted
to
see
if
we
as
city
and
county
electives,
are
showing
support
for
this
work
that,
like
we
committed
to
and
I,
was
looking
to
see
if
there
were
gaps
like
I
can
fit
in
and
help
and
support
any
of
these
groups
and
I
would
be
happy
to
if
I,
if
I
knew
how
to
participate.
D
Once
again,
that
virtual
links
to
meetings
would
be
awesome.
I
could
invite
colleagues
and
peers
at
the
county
to
participate.
If,
if
we
knew
what
the
links
were.
C
So,
for
example,
I
walked
into
DSS
one
day
and
I
said
it's
wonderful
to
have
a
lot
of
information
that
nobody
knows
and
the
next
time
I
walked
in.
There
were
pamphlets
about
everything
that
they
offered
because
I
said
I
wanted
there.
It
was
I,
know
we're
getting.
We
need
to
have
this
information
public
so
that
people
want
to
participate,
they
can
participate,
they
know
where
it
is,
they
can
hear
it
and
if
people
want
to
add
their
input
or
even
join
these
groups
they
can
join.
Is
that
what
you're
trying
to
set.
A
A
A
A
K
M
Monumental
task
that
we
have
I
have
a
question
to
clarify
or
affirm
that
elvia's
question
about
the
use
of
City
and
County
Properties
I
also
am
interested
in
that
And
to
clarify
that
that
could
possibly
be
used
for
folks
that
want
to
start
their
own
shelter.
Is
that
what
that
question
was
about.
M
Okay
and
also
to
clarify
that
there
are
a
broad
range
of
shelter
types
and
wondering
if
we
have
outlined
the
distinctions
between
all
those
different
shelter
types
in
the
shelter
work.
Group
and
I'd
also
like
to
be
a
part
of
that,
because
I
I'd
like
a
little
bit
more
information
sharing
between
groups,
so
that
we
can
all
collaborate
a
little
bit
better
between
meetings.
M
A
You
have
a
current
beds
and
available
in
the
system
and
the
type
of
service
that
they
provide
and
that
can
be
that
that'll
be
part
of
our
deliverables
going
forward
and
if
you're
asking
for
to
also
participate
in
other
work
groups,
let's
have
a
conversation
afterwards
about
that
I
think
that's
possible.
Okay,.
E
Can
I
chime
in
so
in
addition
to
the
shelter
work
group
that
you
just
that
you
both
just
mentioned
on
the
housing
inventory
count
that
I
talked
about
earlier.
It
will
also
paint
that
picture.
It
doesn't
provide
sort
of
details
about
programming
and
eligibility,
but
it
does
talk
about
Target
population
and
number
of
beds
that
are
available
and
whether
those
vets
are
classified
as
emergency
shelter
or
transitional
housing
or
rapid,
rehousing,
permanent
Supportive
Housing.
E
So
so,
when
we
are
when
we
have
that
updated
for
this
year
and
we'll
be
presenting
that
to
this
group,
that
should
also
give
us
kind
of
a
comprehensive
picture
of
the
inventory
that's
available
in
the
community.
M
I'm
I'm,
not
sure
if
this
is
true
but
I
may
have
knowledge
about
some
shelters
that
don't
use
hmis
for
security
safety
reasons
and
I'm
wondering
if
that's
been
considered
in
the
process
or
maybe
I've
missed
that
somewhere.
No.
K
It's
being
considered
in
the
process
and
that's
part
of
the
reason
why
I
made
mention
of
partners
that
we
have
currently
and
then
partners
that
we
might
have
in
peripheral.
When
we
look
at
how
we're
going
to
make
referrals,
we
would
like
to
be
able
to
eventually
move
towards
data
sharing
so
that
we
have
information
in
hmis
about
programming
and
and
who's
being
served,
but
in
those
Alpha
opportunities
where
we
need
to
make
referrals
outside
of
the
system.
We
would
like
to
have
some
partnership,
and
hopefully
the
freedom
to
be
able
to
do
that.
E
Just
for
for
clarification
for
the
group
that
victim
service
providers
are
not
are
federally
precluded
from
participating
in
hmis
for
client
confidentiality
and
safety
reasons,
so
we're
glad
to
have
helpmate
in
the
room
here,
I'm
glad
to
be
working
with
them
in
coordinated
entry,
but
don't
have
by
Design.
Do
not
have
data
sharing
established
with
with
victim
service
providers.
M
And
one
final
comment
for
Tim
can:
can
you
tell
me
how
to
say
your
last
name?
Yes,.
M
Okay,
thank
you.
I
want
to
make
sure
I
get
that
right.
I
had
been
invited
on
my
exit
from
transformation
Village
to
fill
out.
A
survey
and
I
responded
to
that
by
noting
some
details
for
my
Consultation
Services
and
a
price
point
on
that
I'm
wondering
if
you
ever
got
that
survey,
because
I
would
like
to
work
with
you
as
a
consultant.
F
F
Can
certainly
once
our
meeting's
over
today
I
can
give
you
my
card,
and
we
can
talk
further
and.
N
N
I
moved
to
Asheville
40
years
ago
two
weeks
ago
and
so
I'm
starting
my
next
40
years
in
Nashville
and
y'all
know
the
first
meeting
that
I
decided
I
would
come
to
to
see
what
is
the
next
40
years
going
to
be
be
like,
as
I
walked
into
the
room.
I
was
looking
to
see
who
I
knew
from
where
or
whatever,
and
this
homeless
issue
is
just
Sunday
afternoon.
N
So
I
went
back
to
public
transportation,
art
station
and
when
I
got
there,
it's
like
okay,
five
o'clock,
the
last
S4
bus
goes
down:
South,
French,
Broad
and
I'm
standing
there
and
there's
10
or
12
people
all
around
me
and
I'm
like
who
are.
Who
are
these
people?
Where
do
they
come
from?
And
oh
well,
they're
like
me,
the
five
o'clock
bus
going
back
down
this
French
Broad.
Was
there
right
back?
Of
course
the
bus
had
a
problem.
N
N
They
were
catching
the
S4
bus.
Just
like
I
was
so
they
may
have
been
going
to
public
housing
and
all
of
that,
as
they
went
down
the
street,
but
I
left
there
and
I
said
I'll
walk
home
because
I
want
to
get
something
to
eat.
So
I
walked
Walked
to
the
house
and
went
to
a
barbecue
restaurant.
That's
on
Cox
avenue.