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B
All
right,
thank
you.
Haley
and
city
staff.
Welcome
everybody
to
our
june
meeting
of
the
urban
forestry
commission,
glad
you
could
all
make
it!
Thank
you
for
joining
us
all
right.
So
we'll
start
off
with
introductions.
So
my
name
is
amy
smith.
I'm
the
chair
of
the
urban
forestry
commission
and
I'll
go
ahead
and
call
on
people
just
to
make
it
easier.
So
you
can
unmute
and
introduce
yourself
so
patrick.
D
You're
right,
I
am
muted,
can
you
all
read
lips
ed,
macy,
urban
forestry,
commission
and
chair
of
the
tree
protection
task
force.
B
B
All
right
kim
thanks
for
coming
in.
G
B
H
B
Thanks
all
right
I'll
just
go
around
how
about
mark.
J
L
My
name
is
ben
woody.
I'm
the
director.
B
Thanks
ricky,
if
you're
here.
B
All
right,
jennifer
are
you
here.
O
Yeah
mike
wheeler
urban
planner
with
the
development
services
department.
B
B
Q
Hey,
I'm
valerie
wellborn.
Sorry,
it's
dark
behind
me.
I
didn't
turn
on
my
lights.
For
this.
I
am
with
the
stormwater
capital
projects
program
in
public
works.
Awesome.
B
Thank
you
all
right,
and
so
I
believe
then
we
also
have
folks
from
some
of
our
alternative
compliance
projects.
So
you
guys
just
want
to
go
around
and
introduce
yourself
if
I
haven't
called
on
you
go
ahead
and
unmute.
L
I
Davis,
surface
678,
landscape,
architect,
working
with
dorothea
and
clark
nixon
on
the
southside
rec
center
project.
Thank
you.
R
Thank
you
now
jump
in
right
afterwards,
dorothea
schultz,
that's
me,
I'm
the
project
architect
for
the
dr
wesley
grand
center
expansion,
and
maybe
I
give
it
over
to
dustin
who
is
with
the
city.
K
Yes,
devin
stanley
with
civil
engineer
with
blue
ridge
engineering
here
for
the
request
at
100
airport
road,
the
valvoline
quick
glue
project.
A
G
Sorry,
I'm
late,
I'm
don
chavez,
I'm
the
director
of
asheville
greenworks
and
a
member
of
the
urban
forestry
commission.
S
S
You
susan,
yes,
I'm
susan,
michael,
the
board
of
hawk
creek
community
association
and
I'm
here
to
to
have
a
public
comment.
B
C
C
F
B
Don
I
and
I
vote
I
I
do
want
to
note
real
quick
sorry
to
go
back,
but
we
will
note
that
cecil,
bothwell
parent,
young
and
roy
smith
are
absent
from
today's
meeting,
all
right
so
moving
right
along
to
alternative
compliance.
I
know
there's
a
packet
from
the
city
and
we'll
start
with
110
airport
road.
So
when
that
gets
pulled
up
on
the
screen
and
city
staff
can
go
ahead
and
begin
when
that's
ready.
N
N
This
is
directly
in
front
of
carolina
furniture
concept
and
it's
a
it's
a
relatively
basic
request:
we've
reviewed
the
level
one
site
plan
for
we're,
looking
at
three
different
developments
on
out
parcels
in
front
of
the
current
carolina
furniture
concept
and
this
particular
project
is
actually
complying
with
all
of
the
landscaping
requirements,
except
they
have
the
one
issue,
their
street
trees,
which
are
required
to
be
along
the
walmart
access
drive
that
is
providing
the
required
furniture
for
their
parcel.
N
They
have
some
existing
water
line
and
storm
type
easements
in
that
location.
Right
along
that
access
drive,
so
they
are
not
able
to
place
their
three
required
street
trees
within
the
20
feet
of
the
street
is
the
maximum
per
the
udo
and
their
trees
are
going
to
be
approximately
40
feet
from
the
street.
N
Otherwise
their
project
meets
all
of
the
standards
both
in
article
11
and
in
our
tree,
canopy,
preservation
or
ordinance
article
19..
So
that
is
their
request
to
you.
Today,
we've
evaluated
the
proposal
and
agreed
that
this
is
a
good
solution.
Recommend
approval,
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
might
have.
B
N
Yes,
devin
staley
is
here
and
has
drawn
this,
this
landscape
plan
and
the
site
plan
for
the
project.
So
if
you
have
any
questions
for
him,
I'm
sure
he'd
be
happy
to
entertain,
though.
B
A
Let
me
make
sure
there's
nobody
on
for
public
comment.
Oh.
A
A
B
All
right:
okay,
if
there
is
nothing
else,
we
can
go
ahead
and
if
there's
a
motion.
D
I
move
that
we
approve
this
request.
C
C
B
B
Okay,
so
moving
along
to
285,
livingston
street
looks
like
mike
will
walk
us
through
this.
O
Sorry,
I
think
I
was
muted.
My
name
is
mike
wheeler
with
the
development
services
department.
The
next
project
that
you're
looking
at
is
the
dr
wesley
grant's
senior
center.
It's
located
at
285,
livingston
street.
It's
currently
zoned
rad
osp,
and
it's
about
a
9.37
acre
track.
O
The
building
itself
is
going
to
be
about
13,
116
square
feet
and
there's
also
some
other
outdoor
recreational
areas
being
submitted
for
basketball,
courts,
swimming
pools
and
etcetera.
Based
on
the
scope
of
the
project.
The
code
is
requires
the
site
to
be
brought
into
full
compliance
with
requirements
for
landscaping.
O
Currently
is
not
pedestrian-oriented
design
and
based
on
the
proposal,
I
don't
see
any
way
that
they
could
make
this
a
pedestrian-oriented
design
just
based
on
the
existing
location
of
buildings
and
parking.
However,
it
is
a
rec
center.
There
are
sidewalks
and
on-street
parking
along
both
street
frontages,
and
so
it's
definitely
going
to
be
pedestrian
used.
It's
just
not
a
pedestrian-oriented
design.
O
O
And
that's
a
20
foot
wide
buffer
planted
with
the
various
evergreen
trees,
large
deciduous
trees,
small
distribution,
street
trees,
shrubs
of
various
sizes
and
shapes,
and
they
have
about
570
feet
of
frontage
along
depot
street.
That
would
require
that
buffer
yard.
So
what
they're
proposing
to
do
is
to
leave?
There
are
some
existing
trees
along
depot
street
that
would
serve
as
street
trees,
they're
also
proposing
to
supplement
some
areas
along
depot
street,
where
there
are
some
gaps
between
the
trees
with
some
existing
with
some
new
vegetation.
O
But
basically
they
don't
want
us
to
just
you
know,
disturb
those
particular
trees
and
replant
or
plant
a
buffer
yard
that
would
probably
impact
those
trees
as
well.
They
they
basically
want
to
take
the
material
that
the
buffer
was
required
to
have
there
and
distribute
it
throughout
the
site.
If
you'll
notice
on
your
screen,
there's
a
site
plan
and
all
the
variations
of
green
symbols
that
you
see
are
areas
of
the
site
where
they
would
distribute
the
required
landscaping
that
was
for
that
buffer
yard.
O
So
that's
about
all
I
have
on
the
issue
and
I'll
be
more
than
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
might
have.
B
E
R
B
Thanks
patrick,
go
ahead.
C
Yeah,
when
you
have
existing
expansion
development
on
a
site
that
has
already
has
a
development
like
this
is,
is
it
subject
to
the
tree?
Canopy
preservation,
ordinance,
719,
one.
N
O
D
One
button
I
apologize,
no,
both
the
questions
I
had
were
already
asked.
Thank
you.
B
All
right
any
other
question:
patrick,
did
you
have
a
new
question.
B
B
Patrick,
you
put
your
hand
up
again
so
make
sure
there's
not
any
other
questions.
Okay,
so
any
other
discussion
or
questions
for
the
applicants
on
this
project.
A
O
If
I
could
go
ahead
and
answer
that
question
yes
tree,
canopy
is
required
and
is
has
been
satisfied
with
our
review
of
the
project.
F
Hello,
I
have
a
question
this
steve.
T
Caller
go
ahead.
Yes,
this
is
shivanda
harper
calling
from
the
asheville
housing
authority,
and
I
do
have
a
question,
the
trees
that
are
along
depot,
which
would
be
on
the
west
side
of
the
street
so
closer
to
the
apartments.
There
are
those
trees
included
in
this
tree,
canopy
or
part
of
this
tree
planting.
That's
that's
happening,
and
these
trees
sit
like
on
the
road.
O
B
A
T
B
And
then
steve
steven
hendricks,
I
believe,
had
a
question
or
a
comment.
F
Yeah
this
sounds
like
a
a
little
comment.
First,
it
sounds
like
a
reasonable
way
to
handle
this
situation
with
some
of
these
counting
of
street
trees
and
so
forth,
and
some
additional
trees
being
added
to
the
site.
My
question
is
more
general
when,
when
we
have
a
a
situation
where
the
tree
preservation
ordinance
comes
up,
should
we
document
the
calculations,
in
other
words,
as
a
tracker
in
the
future?
F
We,
you
know
we'll
have
in
the
future
a
lot
of
projects
it
will.
You
know
where
it
will
apply
and
some
will
come
before
us
and
some
won't
should
we
request
that
those
calculations
be
tracked.
Somehow
yeah.
L
F
F
B
D
I
I
move
that
we
approve
the
request
and
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
appreciate
the
effort
to
save
the
existing
trees
and
still
meet
the
buffer
requirements
by
dispersing
the
trees
throughout
the
rest
of
the
property.
It's
sort
of
doing
more
than
is
really
required,
and-
and
I
appreciate
that
extra
effort-
it
reflects
the
spirit
of
the
no
net
loss,
canopy
approach
that
we're
trying
to
accomplish.
So.
Thank
you
very
much.
C
B
T
T
B
Dawn
hi
and
I
vote
I
so
the
motion
passes.
Thank
you
very
much,
and
I
just
want
to
add
that
I
do
agree
with
what
ed
said
that
the
solution
here
seems
to
benefit
everybody
and
maintain
a
healthy,
mature
tree
canopy.
So
we
appreciate
that
and
we'll
be
on
keeping
our
eyes
out
for
your
tree
protection
fencing
when
construction
starts.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
that.
R
B
O
Yep
mike
wheeler
again
with
the
development
services
department.
This
next
request
is
for
301
merriman
avenue.
The
property
is
currently
zoned
community
business,
one
the
site
is
fairly
small,
it's
0.25
acres
and
has
an
existing
commercial
building,
that's
located
closer
to
merriman
avenue
and
then
behind.
O
It
is
a
two-story
structure
that
has
some
residential
uses
occurring
needed
and
the
app
that's
proposing
an
adaptive
reuse
of
the
existing
building
up
front,
the
commercial
portion
which
has
been
vacant,
for
I
believe,
some
time
now
and
they're,
proposing
to
renovate
that
building
and
put
an
office
use
in
there,
they're
also
proposing
to
renovate
the
residential
building
behind
this
building
and
have
two
residential
units
once
the
renovations
occur
in
that
particular
building.
O
Based
on
the
nature
of
the
request,
the
code
does
require
the
site
to
be
brought
into
full
compliance
with
all
the
landscaping
requirements
and
in
this
particular
application
they
do
have
they
do
about
some
residential
to
the
east
and
a
portion
of
the
north
of
their
property.
That
requires
them
to
provide
a
type,
a
buffer
yard.
O
O
And
so
what
they're
proposing
to
do
is
to
install
to
reduce
the
buffer
width
from
20
feet
to
10
feet
in
a
couple
of
areas
and
if
we
could
look
at
the
landscape
plan,
so
the
highlighted
areas
is
where
they're
proposing
to
put
some
buffer
plant
material
out.
In
addition
to
a
six
foot
high
fence,
these
areas,
highlighted
in
yellow,
would
be
10
feet.
Wide
I've
been
planted
with
trees
and
shrubs.
O
To
satisfy
that
buffer
yard
requirement
to
the
west
is
about
64
feet
above
it
and
to
the
north
about
38
feet
of
frontage.
That
would
require
the
buffer
yard,
and
there
are
some
details
for
the
fence.
It'll
be
a
solid
fence
with
the
finished
side
facing
the
neighbor
and
property,
which
is
typical
requirements
of
our
code
and
I'll,
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
might
have.
B
L
I
believe
I
sent
some
current
photos
to
haley.
I
wonder
if
those
are
available.
I
wonder
if
mike
has
those
to
show.
O
One
well,
the
code
would
require
you
to
provide
the
type
a
buffer
yard
jerry,
regardless
of
what
the
neighboring
property
has
in
terms
of
you
know
existing
conditions.
O
You
you've
proposed
an
alternative
that
uses
the
privacy
fence,
but
that
could
be
something
you
know
you
could
propose
a
different
alternative
and
not
use
the
fence
and
use
vegetation.
That's
was
basically
the
alternative
that
you
guys
came
up
with,
and
so
that's
what
we're
presenting
today
does
that
make
sense.
L
So
we
were
proposing
vegetation
and
defense,
he
was.
Our
owner
was
asking.
B
L
B
B
I
don't
think
for
our
purposes
that
changes
this
discussion
that'd
be
something
you
could
work
out
with
the
city,
because
what
we're
evaluating
is
if
the
fence
plus
available
plantings
would
be
sufficient
to
meet
our
goals
for
the
vegetation
requirements,
so
I
think
that
fence
existing
there
can
be
considered
part
of
the
plan.
If
everybody
agrees,
it
seems
to
make
sense
so
sharon
you
have
a
question.
E
B
B
We're
just
talking
about,
I
believe
that
section
looks
like
the
brand
new
fence
that
the
neighbor
put
in
so
yeah.
Thanks
got
it
all
right.
Any
other
discussion
concerns
or
questions
for
this
project.
B
O
C
L
B
L
B
Okay,
so
that
wraps
up
alternative
compliance
next
on
the
agenda
is
public
comment,
general
public
comment
and
I
believe
we
had
someone
on
the
line
is
that
person
still
here.
S
The
reason
I
wanted
to
speak
with
you,
the
property
adjacent
to
ours,
is
one
point,
one
in
a
third
acre,
less
than
20
acres,
but
it
it's
up
for
sale
and
the
real
estate
agent
is
encouraging
the
owner
to
sell
to
someone
who
would
buy
the
property
and
subdivide
it
into
two
or
three
building
lots,
or
at
least
two-
and
there
are
many
large,
mature
trees
on
the
property.
S
S
The
clock
is
kind
of
running
out
on
asheville's
efforts
to
stem
the
loss
of
our
urban
tree
canopy
and
like
we
can't
let
time
slip
away,
and
so
it's
a
big
concern.
I
think
there
might
be
pictures
of
this.
The
trees
that
I'm
talking
about
does
is
that
available
to
to
look
at
I
sent
some
to
patrick.
I
don't
know.
B
Okay,
sorry,
the
time
is
up,
but
thank
you.
Thank
you
so
much
so
I
don't
know,
can
I
respond
and
I
I'm
sure
others
might
we
do
share?
Obviously,
the
concern
of
loss
of
mature
trees
on
all
property
within
the
city.
Unfortunately,
much
of
the
work
we
do
as
the
city
and
the
urban
forestry
commission
is
limited,
especially
when
it
comes
to
private
property,
and
so
that's
a
huge
limitation
for
us.
But
ed
did
you
have
a
comment.
D
Yeah,
I'm
not
sure
if
the
canopy
protection
amendment
does
apply
to
subdivisions,
I'm
not
sure
why
there
was
an
arbitrary
seems
like
a
seemingly
arbitrary
decision
as
to
the
size
of
the
piece
of
land,
that's
excluded
or
not,
except
that
I
know
that
the
city
is
is
focused
on
increasing
density,
but
I
I
can't
speak
for
chris
collins,
but
I
do
know
that
he's
keeping
a
bug
list
of
issues
related
to
the
new
amendment
so
that
towards
the
end
of
the
year,
we
can
revisit
all
of
these
issues
that
are
arising
and
and
maybe
make
some
decisions
in
the
form
of
tweaks
to
the
amendment.
D
So
if
there's
some
some
way,
we
can
get
this
issue
added
to
chris
collins
bug
list.
I
think
we
can
do
what
the
caller
was
asking
and
that's
to
evaluate.
You
know
this
current
situation.
D
H
I
can
do
that
and
some
of
this
has
to
do
with
exempt
flats
versus
non-exempt
flats.
So
that's
that
information,
but
if
there
are
more
than
four
parcels
created
out
of
this
in
a
subdivision,
it
will
trigger
free
protection
potential.
L
H
C
Yeah,
so
I
did
pose
his
question
to
chris
collins
and
he
referred
to
a
state
exemption
on
properties
of
two
acres
or
less,
and
that's
why
a
property
such
as
the
one
that
susan
michael
described
would
be
exempt
from
the
tree.
Canopy
preservation
ordinance
the
existing
exemption.
C
Was
for
the
building
of
a
single
family
dwelling
unit,
or
I
guess
a
duplex
one
or
two
dwelling
unit
construction
developers
buying
properties
of
less
than
two
acres,
two
acres
or
less,
and
then
subdividing
them
into
building
lots
again,
as
susan
stated
in
her
comments
that
adds
to
the
number
of
the
amount
of
construction
that
is
not
protected
by
the
tree.
Canopy
preservation
ordinance.
C
But
it
is
something
that
I
think
the
urban
forestry
commission
needs
to
pay
attention
to
working
alongside
with
dsd,
to
make
sure
that
again,
this
isn't
some
unintended
consequence
of
the
existing
exemption
and
the
preservation
ordinance.
B
All
right,
thank
you,
patrick,
so
I
do
agree.
I
think
that
the
takeaway
here
is
to
add
to
the
list
of
things
that
we're
going
to
keep
an
eye
on
with
data,
obviously,
and
look
at
these
exemptions
and
possible
issues
possible
loopholes
as
the
caller
called
it
places
where
we
might
be
able
to
improve
the
ordinance
all
right.
Any
other
comment
there.
F
F
H
Yes,
I
think
it's
four
four
lots,
but
then
also
like
it
also
depends
on
what
the
development
is.
So
there
could
be
other
triggers
like
if
they
build
a
road,
then
that
is
a
trigger
right.
That
is
not.
That
is
no
longer
a
minor
subdivision,
the
same
major
subdivision
so
just
to
sail
a
piece
of
property.
Sometimes
it's
hard
for
us
as
staff
to
tell
you.
Yes,
it's
gonna
trigger
it
or
no,
because
it
depends
on
what
the
future
development
of
that
property
is
right.
F
H
F
M
B
All
right
anything
else
on
this
issue
for
now
we're
going
to
revisit
this
in
just
a
moment,
but
all
right.
Well,
then,
we'll
go
on
to
old
business
and,
first
of
all
the
budget
request.
Update
came,
I
don't
know
if
you're
still
here,
but
it's
my
understanding
that
basically
the
budget
is
more
or
less
settled
for
the
upcoming
year,
so
our
best
bet
would
be
to
start
planning
for
next
year.
Now.
Do
you
have
anything
to
add
to
that.
G
The
manager's
budget
was
presented
at
our
last
meeting
of
city
council.
The
public
hearing
is
coming
up
on
june,
8th
and
city
council
is
anticipating
to
vote
at
the
following
meeting,
which
will
be
the
last
meeting
of
june.
G
So
yes,
advocacy
always
starts
earlier
and
earlier
every
year
it
is
not
currently
recommended
to
fund
the
master
plan,
as
suggested
or
staff
position
for
forrester.
B
Right
that
was
my
understanding,
so
we
can
discuss
this
and
see
if
we
want
to
make
a
plan
now
for
next
year,
ed
go
ahead.
D
Yeah
over
the
course
of
the
last
four
years,
or
so
I
think,
we've
built
a
really
strong
case
for
the
need
for
a
staff,
urban
forester
and
a
comprehensive
urban
forest
master
plan
for
the
city.
What
what?
D
What
do
we
have
to
do
to
convince
city
council
that
it's
in
everybody's
best
interest
to
move
forward
with
this?
I
I'm
I'm
at
a
point
where
I'm
starting
to
feel
a
little
frustrated.
We
did
our
research,
we
did
the
science
we've
shown
how
it's
it's
costing
the
city,
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars
a
year
in
ecosystem
services,
because
they're
losing
urban
forest
cover.
We've
documented
with
the
urban
heat
on
this,
and
we've
shown
ways
that
we
can
reverse
it.
D
G
Priority
that'll
I'll
hold
the
container
for
that,
because
I'm
assuming
that
might
be
directed
in
my
direction.
So
I
would
say
that
I,
for
one
can
speak
for
myself
that
I
appreciate
the
work
that
the
urban
forestry
commission
has
done
to
research
advocate
communicate,
share
information
that
is
certainly
fully
within
the
role
of
this
committee's
work,
and
I
think
that
you're
doing
every
part
of
it
that
you
have
been
tasked
with
and
asked
to
do,
and
many
of
you
have
gone
above
and
beyond.
G
We
do
have
a
number
of
priorities
which
were
listed
as
a
top
four
in
the
council
retreat.
It
is
my
understanding.
The
communication
I've
received
is
that
maintaining
our
tree
canopy
and
protecting
our
tree
canopy
is
now
an
operationalized
status,
so
moved
out
of
a
priority
status
and
into
is
just
ongoing.
G
B
And
that
makes
sense,
I'm
going
to
jump
in.
I'm
sorry,
what's
becoming
more.
Concerning
for
me
is
that
without
specifically,
the
urban
forester
position,
this
work
and
this
research
and
all
of
this
is
falling
into
this
limbo
area,
where
we
have
dsd
staff,
which
is
super
helpful,
but
it's
not
technically
in
there,
it's
not
technically
under
the
arborist
and
it's
not
technically
under
this
group
of
volunteers,
and
so
I'm
personally
seeing
the
urban
forester
position
becoming
increasingly
crucial
if
we
actually
want
to
get
what
you
just
asked
for
the
data,
the
follow-up.
B
All
of
this
just
really
needs
someone
to
head
up
that
program
to
get
that
going
anyway.
I'll
take
other
comments,
I
think
patrick's
hand
was
next.
C
C
You
know
the
at
best.
The
the
preservation
ordinance
protects.
C
I
think,
15
of
existing
trees
on
on
properties
that
are
subject
to
development,
so
we
continue
to
lose
trees
at
a
rate
that
is
not
sustainable
and
certainly
we're
not
at
zero
net
loss
of
our
urban
tree
canopy
or
anything
close
to
that
and
it's
going
to
take,
as
amy
pointed
out
more
and
stronger
management
practices
to
get
to
that
zero
net
loss
goal
that
we're
having
and
which
I
will
point
out.
C
The
city
council
unanimously
approved
a
zero
net
canopy
loss
policy
for
the
city
of
asheville,
so
you
know,
just
like
susan
michael
was
saying
in
her
comments
to
us.
The
clock
is
ticking
on
our
urban
forestry
tree
canopy
and
we
can't
afford
for
that
time
to
run
out,
and
while
it
certainly
is
apparently
not
going
to
happen
for
this
budget,
I
think
that
the
we
need
to
press
ahead
with
whatever
we
can
to
encourage
the
city
council
to.
C
G
Well,
I
will
add
that,
as
the
saying
goes
it
ain't
over
until
it's
over.
I
have
gotten
a
lot
of
emails
from
members
of
this
committee
and
members
of
the
public
who
have
been
advocating
for
exactly
what
you're
saying,
and
I
do
hope
that
some
will
continue
to
write
and
call
and
provide
public
comment
on
this
budget.
Hearing
on
june,
8th.
F
F
Driving
development
to
where
it
needs
to
be
the
community
consensus
on
how
we
want
to
develop
in
our
vision
for
the
future
and
a
lot
of
that
revolves
around
asheville
being
a
green
city,
and
unless
we
build
that
structure,
our
green
infrastructure
in
our
tree
canopy,
we
won't
have
that
option
later,
so
development
is
going
quickly
in
nashville,
larger
and
larger
development
is
being
proposed.
F
So
I
think
it's
critical
that
we
keep
building
the
case.
I
think
ed's
right
we've
got
the
pieces.
F
I
think
I
I
I
would
urge
us
to
get
involved
in
the
building
our
city
series
that
a
lot
of
I
think
it
gets
a
lot
of
attention
from
city
council,
the
building
our
city
series
and
have
a
program
on
it
next
year
pulling
some
of
these
pieces
together
with
an
outside
speaker.
F
I
think
that's
one
step,
but
anyway,
there
are
options
for
us,
but
those
decisions
are
being
made
right
now
what
the
city
is
going
to
be,
and
we
all,
I
think
we
all
know
that
inherently.
B
B
D
Again,
I
apologize,
but
I
want
to
thank
steve
and
patrick
for
their
comments.
They're
both
very
articulate-
and
I
couldn't
agree
more
with
what
both
said.
It's
important
to
understand
that
I
I
get
the
sense
that
there's
this
trees
versus
development
kind
of
thing
going
on
and
and
it
doesn't
have
to
be
that
way.
I
think
if
we
had
a
really
good
plan
and
an
urban
forester
on
staff.
The
whole
idea
is
to
reconcile
those
conflicts
between
treaties
and
development
to
everybody's
benefit.
D
They
I've
seen
it
work
in
so
many
other
cities
across
the
southern
us
that
for
decades
and
and
asheville
is
probably
30
or
40
years
behind
the
curve.
Now
in
reconciling
those
conflicts,
one
thing
kim
that
I
don't
know
if
you
know
is
that
the
only
oversight
we
have
with
respect
to
urban
forestry
is
is
through
volunteers.
On
the
technical
review
committee
for
years,
volunteers
have
been
reviewing
plans
providing
that
oversight
and,
and
that's
just
unprecedented.
D
There
should
be
professional
staff,
doing
that,
not
volunteers
and
and
sharon's
very
good
at
what
she
does,
but
we
may
not
have
the
luxury
of
sharon
doing
this
forever
and-
and
I
think,
there's
a
real
urgency
to
putting
putting
that
expertise
on
that
committee.
So
I
I
just
I
couldn't
express
this
more
strongly.
I
think
we
really
need
to.
D
I
don't
know.
I
guess
we
have
to
weigh
in
during
the
public
comment
period
on
on
june
8th
and
try
to
have
our
voices
heard,
but
I
I
don't
think
anybody
listens.
I'm
really
frustrated.
B
B
Do
we
want
to
continue
to
have
these
two
big
ticket
items
in
one
request,
or
would
it
maybe
be
more
doable
to
break
it
apart
and
push
for,
for
example,
the
urban
forester
position?
First,
you
know
as
a
smaller
piece
and
maybe
be
more
palatable
to
city
council,
so
I'm
going
to
throw
that
out
there,
but
we
can
continue
to
discuss
sharon's
hand.
Wouldn't
it.
E
To
respond
to
your
question,
amy
we've
had
that
you
and
I,
and
I
think
all
of
us
have
had
that
discussion
before
we've
gone
back
and
forth
and
we
all
have
diverging
opinions,
but
I
agree.
I
think
we
should
pick
one
and
stay
with
it.
E
My
question
to
kim
is
I've
sat
in
a
couple
meetings
with
our
city
manager
and
she
has
always
wanted
to
keep
it
in-house
and
in
one
particular
meeting
there
was
no
discussion
other
than
keeping
it
in
house
when
she
first
joined.
This
was
her
solution
and
I
think
it
was
budgetary
at
that
moment
or
because
she
was
new.
E
She
didn't
understand
the
position
we're
in
here
at
asheville
and
what
I
my
question
to
you
is:
if
you
can
answer
it,
how
much
of
an
influence
does
she
have
on
how
council
looks
at
our
need
for
an
urban
forester
and
urban
master
plan?
Is
she
that
influential?
Because
I
know
she
has
not
been
agreeable
in
pat
in
the
past.
G
Well,
I
would
say
to
try
to
take
some
of
the
person
out
of
it
and
look
at
the
process
like
because
one
day
I
won't
be
in
this
position.
You
know
just
because
of
time
and
biology.
Science,
you
know
is
that
the
city
manager
is
absolutely
tasked
with
running
the
day-to-day
operations
and
with
providing
council
with
a
budget
and
as
a
tree
with
seven
leaves,
I
am
part
of
a
city
council
body
with
seven
people.
This
leaf
understands
the
urgency
at
hand
and
has
heard
your
requests
and
has
followed
this
conversation.
G
For
years.
The
city
manager
made
shoes
in
their
role
to
make
different
decisions
on
budgetary
priorities,
based
on
having
at
least
four
leaves
on
this
tree,
speak
speaking
the
same
in
congress.
So
that's
just
about
the
process
we
would
need
to
have.
We
need
more
people
to
be
talking
about
this
and
to
elevating
be
elevating
it
you're
already
doing
that
work.
A
lot
of
us
were
in
the
same
room
with
asheville
greenworks.
We
have
partners
that
we
can
work
with.
G
C
So
and
I'll
answer
your
question,
amy
and
then
I'm
gonna
have
a
question
of
my
own.
Obviously,
since
the
urban
forest
master
plan
is
a
one-time
expense,
you
could
look
at
that
and
say
that's
the
e,
that's
the
low-hanging
fruit
that
we
can
go
after
right
now,
because
once
that
money
is
appropriated
and
a
master
plan
is
developed,
that's
the
end
of
that
kind
of
funding
requirement
to
me.
C
The
the
planning
for
an
urban
forest
master
plan
to
a
consultant
I
want
to
leave
that
to
in
the
hands
of
an
urban
forester,
who
is
not
only
committed
to
the
program
committed
to
other
policies,
to
save
our
urban
forest
canopy,
but
who's
going
to
be
here
and
have
a
commitment
to
saving
our
urban
forest
canopy.
C
My
question
that-
and
it
goes
to
the
the
budget
process
as
I
understood
it,
and
I
could
be
wrong
but,
as
I
understood
it,
the
requests
that
were
put
in
for
the
previous
budget
in
terms
of
new
staffing
included
a
request
to
fund
an
urban
forester
and
my
understanding
is
those
requests
were
automatically
recycled
over
into
this
budget
process.
C
So
therefore,
I'm
assuming
that
the
urban
forestry
position
was
still
included
in
the
budget
request
that
was
submitted
by
the
department
of
development
services
to
the
city
manager
and
the
city
finance
office.
So
my
question
is:
when
those
bud
departmental
budget
requests
go
to
the
city
manager
etc.
C
Is
there
a
step
where
the
department
director
then
sits
down
and
says
these?
Are
my
staff
requests
for
the
budget?
These
are
the
reasons
why
I
think
it's
important
and
if
that
is
in
fact,
so
I'd
like
to
know
what
the
dsd
response
was
to
the
city
manager
in
terms
of
the
funding
request
for
an
urban
forester.
J
So
that's
probably
me
that
has
to
answer
that
one,
it's
true,
patrick,
so
yeah
the
budget,
the
department
puts
together
an
operating
budget
and
then
adds
any
additional
requests
and
we
submit
that
to
the
budget
office
and
then
eventually
it
goes
from
the
budget
office
to
the
city,
manager's
office
and
then
finally,
to
councilwoman,
ronnie
and
the
rest
of
the
council.
J
In
this
case,
in
this
year's
budget,
it's
been
a
really
strange
year
coming
out
kind
of
the
pandemic
and
all
the
requests
that
were
submitted
last
year
were
just
rolled
over
into
the
department's
budget
request.
I
mean
y'all
actually
helped
write
that
so
you
know
what
that
says.
I
will
add.
Additionally,
we
dsd
requested
two
other
positions
to
help
with
noise,
ordinance
enforcement.
J
Of
position
requests
included
in
our
budget
as
well
as
things
that
we
need
to
support
that,
so
we've
got
a
lot
on
our
plate,
so
yeah
I
mean
with
all
that.
To
answer,
I
think,
that's
your
question,
patrick
all
that
goes
forward
to
the
budget
office
and,
of
course,
we
give
supporting
information
to
support
all
our
requests,
but
ultimately
and
I'll
just
say
real
candidly.
J
You
know
it
is,
and
I
don't
know
the
number,
but
I
always
hear
like
every
year
when
the
department
submit
their
budget
requests,
they
are
millions
and
millions
more
than
the
city
actually
has
in
terms
of
money.
So
there
is
a
difficult
process
that
the
budget
staff
and
the
manager
ultimately
accounts
will
have
to
go
through
to
kind
of
prioritize
those.
J
J
C
Now,
okay,
I
mean
I,
I
appreciate
your
honesty
and
and
giving
the
commission
the
the
background
on
the
budget
process.
From
from
your
standpoint,
thank
you.
J
B
All
right,
thanks
ben
and
the
other
comments.
So
at
this
point
I
think
we
should
wait
just
a
moment
to
finalize
our
priorities
for
the
upcoming
budget.
Obviously,
until
this
year's
budget
is
passed,
and
so
our
challenge
would
be
as
ourselves
and
individuals
and
reaching
out
to
our
advocacy
groups
and
arms
to
do
what
we
can
for
june
8th
and
go
from
there
is
there
any
other
discussion
with
that.
G
This
is
kim
I'll.
Just
add
that
I
know
that
we've
passed
a
stated
climate
emergency,
the
lack
of
urgency-
sometimes
that
is
around
that
is
not
lost
on
me.
It
weighs
every
day,
so
thank
you
for
being
at
the
table
and
advancing
these
priorities
with
the
urgency
that
is
required.
B
Thank
you
yeah.
In
my
mind,
I'm
already
planning
the
extended
make
the
case
for
these
priorities.
It
sounds
to
me
like
what
needs
to
happen
is
when
council
makes
priorities
for
next
year.
We
need
to
be
in
that
top
priority
list,
and
not
just
we.
This
whole
everything
with
sustainability,
and
I
think
our
best
bet
is
to
build
those
threads
together
where
urban,
forestry
overlaps
with
sustainability
and
climate
and
energy
and
storm
water
and
all
of
these
pieces
that
we
know.
B
Okay,
any
other
comments
for
budget
right
now
really
appreciate
your
input
kim.
Thank
you
so
much
for
being
here.
Okay,
next
on
the
agenda,
is
the
tree.
Canopy
protection
ordnance
update,
and
so
what
we're
looking
for
here
is
the
discussion
that
we've
kind
of
touched
on
previously.
B
How
is
the
ordinance
working
you
know?
What
can
we
get
out
of
it?
What
kind
of
data
is
being
collected
I've
seen
in
the
past
week
some
questions
from
the
community
and
the
people
in
our
community
are
asking
things
like
how
do
we
know
this
is
working?
How
is
it
different
from
before
you
know?
How
can
we
answer
those
questions
to
the
community
and,
in
my
mind,
as
a
scientist,
those
are
data-driven
questions.
B
So
what
information
can
we
get
from
projects
that
have
come
through
to
answer
those
questions,
so
I
know
nancy
if
you
had
anything
ready
or
ricky
or
who
can
help
address,
how
we're
going
to
move
forward
with
collecting
information
on
the
ordinance.
H
Right
so
currently,
I
did
not
get
the
data
because
yeah
I
didn't
have
time
to
do
that
for
where
we
are
now.
But
I
know
chris
has
been
working
with
jerry
who
works
in
our
within
our
permit.
H
Software
staff
has
the
ability
to
like
input
the
data
from
the
plan
sheets
as
to
what
you
know
how
many
trees
are
being
preserved,
how
much
square
footage
square
footage
footage
preserved
planted,
and
then
the
unloading,
I
think,
are
the
options.
Ricky
correct
me.
H
If
I'm
wrong
we're
working
with
jerry
to
be
able
to
pull
those
reports
easily,
so
we
can
get
those
two
every
month
like
as
a
week
as
a
monthly
update,
I
can
do
them
and
we
can
do
like
months
where
we
are
like
this
month
capture
and
then
I
can
also
look
at
capturing
like
from
different
time
periods
and
reporting
that
too.
So
that's
just.
H
B
All
right
sharon's
good.
E
I
haven't
been
able
to
come
up
with
working
with
anything
that
we've
got
online.
That
makes
any
sense
to
me,
so
I
either
need
hand-holding
or
I
need
a
better
explanation.
E
I
don't
know
how
to
figure
that
out,
whether
that's
correct
or
not,
I'm
just
assuming
it
is
now
with
the
new
plans
coming
up
each
tree
that
the
architect
is
doing
is
correct.
The
size
of
the
canopy
that
I
can
figure
out.
I
just
don't
know
how
to
get
to
the
whole
site.
What
percentage
it
is,
that's
actually
being
preserved
or
is
existing.
B
E
I
have
not
been
able
to
figure
that
out
yet
so
I
don't
know
if,
if
nancy
or
ricky
or
somebody
that
knows
how
to
look
at
a
site
plan
and
figure
out
that
percentage
staff
is
doing
it
now.
Somehow
I
just
haven't
gotten
that
knowledge
on
how
to
figure
that
out
to
check
on
it
to
see
if
it
is
indeed
correct.
H
E
E
I
either
don't
have
the
measuring
tool,
which
I
don't
think
I
have
I
and
do
I
need
to
download
this
measuring
tool,
so
I
can
figure
it
out
because
when
they
tell
me
it's
10.35
percent
I'll
go
okay
and
staff
will
say
fine
staff.
Will
I
I'm
not
disagreeing
with
staff.
I
just
don't
know
how
to
check
that
percentage.
B
H
D
D
There's
got
to
be
some
ground
truthing
behind
that
to
make
sure
that
these
files
are
obtained
accurately
and
and
then
there's
the
quality
of
tree
protection
itself
on
a
site
and
the
quality
of
the
trees
that
are
being
protected.
D
It
doesn't
do
us
any
good
to
give
canopy
credit
to
some
trees
that
might
be
damaged
from
construction
activities
because
we're
protecting
their
trunks
and
not
their
roots
and
and
we
end
up
losing
the
trees
a
couple
years
down
the
road
anyway.
So
it's
something
that
the
city
is
going
to
have
to
and
and
we
could
probably
advise
as
to
how
to
do
this,
but
the
city
has
some
responsibility
for
qualitative
analysis
on
all
this.
B
So
I
was
just
making
a
note
because,
yes
absolutely
so,
I'm
putting
that
in
my
notes
of
I
think
that
falls
into
this
whole
overview
of
looking
at
where
the
issues
and
exemptions
and
how
the
ordinance
is
playing
out.
B
But
those
kind
of
issues
definitely
because
protecting
a
dying
tree
and
calling
that
your
existing
canopy
is
not
going
to
work
in
the
long
run.
And
it's
not
going
along
with
the
intention
of
the
ordinance.
D
B
Agreed
sharon
go
ahead.
E
Also
excuse
me:
we've
got
a
instance
where
there's
going
to
very
old
trees
are
being
used
for
7191,
but
with
the
amount
of
construction
going
on.
I
have
asked
for
an
arborist
report
to
say:
well,
these
trees
live
three
years
later
after
the
construction,
because
the
compaction
on
the
roots
so
we've
got
sometimes
they
won't
die
right
away.
We've
got
a
three-year
wait
or
a
two-year
wait
with
the
decline,
which
is
definitely
having
to
do
with
the
construction.
E
B
That's
true:
everything
with
trees
is
long-term,
so
we
actually
might
touch
on
that
when
we
talk
about
enforcement
as
well
any
other
questions.
The
other
thing
that
comes
to
mind
with
the
tree
canopy
protection
ordnance,
is
the
fee
in
lieu.
B
Obviously,
at
the
very
beginning,
we
didn't,
you
know,
know
exactly
how
that
would
work,
but
as
fees
start
coming
in
we're
going
to
need
to
work
on
a
process-
and
you
know
nailing
down
the
details
of
how
that
money
is
spent,
you
know
because,
obviously,
a
pool
of
money
everybody's
going
to
have
a
different
idea
of
what
to
do
with
that.
B
H
The
dead
dying
and
disease
trees
do
not
be
part
of
your
tree
protection
design.
Professionals
have
to
make
those
determinations,
and,
yes,
you
will
be
part
of
that
conversation
as
far
as
he
and
lou
we're
working
internally
to
try
and
figure
out.
H
How
do
we
even
do
this,
because
this
is
our
first
time
with
this
and
understanding
from
finance
and
other
things
and
what
steps
we
need
to
take
internally
and
then
also
how
you
all
can
be
plugged
in
to
that
and
make
in
in
that
decision
making
and
what
that
looks
like.
So
what?
What
are
we
going
to
need
to
ask
from
you
like?
Is
this
a
formal
working
group?
Is
it
the
entire
group?
B
Okay,
excellent,
an
urban
forester
would
be
super
helpful
in
this
situation.
Any
other
comments
and
ideas
with
the
tree
canopy
protection
ordinance
did.
I
miss
anybody
all
right,
so
obviously
we're
going
to
keep
working
on
this
and
we
have
a
nice
little
list
for
chris
collins's
follow-up
list
so
make
sure
he
gets
that
information.
B
C
C
C
The
task
force
goal
of
discussing
and
agreeing
with
changes
to
the
ordinary,
open
space
ordinance
amendment
following
that
perrin
emailed
vadilla
and
the
department
of
planning
and
said
no
we're
not
done
with
this.
There
are
still
other.
There
are
still
a
lot
of
outstanding
issues
as
far
as
the
urban
forestry
commission
working
group
is
concerned,
and
he
requested
that
we
have
at
least
one
additional
meeting
which
we
had,
I
believe
was
on.
May
26th.
C
One
of
the
urban
forestry
commission's
positions
on
the
open
space
amendment
was
that
the
open
space
amendment
should
apply
to
projects
in
the
central
business
district
and
the
river
arts
district.
C
At
one
point,
we
reached
a
decision
within
the
working
group
that
we
would
withdraw
our
insistence
on
having
open,
split,
open
space,
apply
to
the
central
business
district
contingent
upon
the
city
and
the
urban
forestry
working
group
working
together
to
make
changes
to
improve
the
standards
for
tree
planting
in
the
cbd,
as
well
as
other
environmental
improvements
to
such
as
bios
whales.
C
C
C
C
However,
when
the
city
discussed
this
proposal
with
the
river
arts
district
property
owners,
they
did
not
want
to
have
any
part
of
a
re
open
space
requirement
for
their
ad
unless
there
was
some
way
to
designate
any
fee
in
lieu
for
developers
who
couldn't
meet
the
open
space
standard
in
the
rad
to
go
toward
helping
the
river
arts
district
property
owners
with
maintenance
costs.
C
That's
not
been
resolved.
At
this
point,
we
also
had
some
issues
regarding
landscaping
requirements
in
the
open
space
amendment
as
for
credits
in
lieu
of
open
space,
so
from
there
I'll
ask
ed
or
sharon
if
they
want
to
provide
any
more
specifics
on
that.
E
I
do
we've
talked
about
giving
open,
safe
space
credit
to
buffers
which
I've
not
been
allowed
previously,
and
I
am
in
support
of
that,
because
buffers
get
reduced,
as
we
all
know,
through
ultra
alternative
compliance
and
they've,
got
a
number
of
ways
with
fencing
and
to
reduce
the
green
space,
and
I
said
to
incentivize
existing
plants
and
the
buffer
between
residences
or
businesses
that
we
get
make
that
open
space
because
type
b,
buffers
30
feet,
a
type,
a
buffer
is
20
feet
and
without
the
fence
which
reduces
it
by
50
percent
to
give
credit
for
saving
that's
existing
or
adding
the
existing,
making
it
open
space
and
then
not
giving
the
credit
for
open
space.
E
C
And
and
to
clarify
both
paren
and
ed,
and
myself
supported
sharon
in
that
in
her
position
on
that
within
the
task
force.
B
Okay,
any
questions
for
patrick
or
the
working
group
there
it
sounds
like
y'all
are
doing
really
well,
first
of
all,
a
lot
of
work
on
this
a
lot
of
meetings
and
certainly
representing
the
interests
of
the
ufc.
I
don't
see
anything
to
add
or
or
change
there,
so
I
appreciate
all
the
work
there.
Thank
you
so
much
all
right
next
is
the
policy
committee
working
group,
so
ed
has
an
update
for
us.
D
Yeah
we
we've
proceeded
to
work,
do
some
work
on
chapter
20..
We
did
a
markup
just
identifying
areas
of
chapter
20
that
need
to
get
revised,
which
is
basically
the
entire
entire
chapter.
It
needs
a
complete
rewrite
and
patrick
steve
sharon,
and
I
met
and
and
discussed
and
the
put
in
play
a
process
for
moving
ahead
with
the
revision
and
right
now
it's
in
patrick's
court,
and
he
and
I
are
going
to
be
covering
on
the
draft
revision
of
of
that
chapter
and
amy.
D
D
Okay,
I
apologize
I'll
do
that
right
here.
Let.
D
B
Okay,
oh
sharon
go
ahead.
E
Nancy,
can
I
ask
if
the
city
will
bound
up
a
copy
of
the
ssdm
for
me
not
the
whole
thing,
but
just
the
ones
that
are
the
pages.
E
Planting
requirements,
I
can
pull
out
the
pages
I
need
out
of
it
instead
of
me
having
it
sending
it
to
office
depot
and
printing
it
up.
Can
I
ask
the
city
to
to
do
that
for
me
because
we're
using
the
updating
with
chapter
20.
E
a
lot
of
the
planting
requirements
in
there
are
not
up
to
date,
and
we
want
to
go
through
everything
in
there
to
make
sure
that
it
falls
within
the
updated
standards
of
criteria,
and
I
didn't
have
to
break
with
the
money
to
do
this,
and
I
begged
the
city
to
pay
for
this.
If
I
asked
for
the
pages
of
it
and
have
it
bound
or
is
that
not
something
I
can
do.
B
Yeah
well
with
the
policy
working
group,
so
one
thing
that's
come
up
through
the
community
and
some
of
the
email
threads
that
we
see
is
the
issue
with
the
heritage
trees.
You
know
that
we
know
this
is
an
ongoing
thing.
Do
we?
Are
we
ready
to
start
talking
about
that
as
a
piece
of
the
tree,
canopy
protection
ordinance,
or
do
we
want
to
still
sort
of
wait
to
work
on
that
until
we
can
get
more
data
through
the
whole
implementation
of
the
ordinance.
D
I'm
always
ready
to
talk
about
that.
The
language
in
the
canopy
amendment
was
there
and
then
it
was
pulled
out
by
the
city
attorney
and
it
would
be
very
easy
to
put
it
back
in
again.
But
but
again
I
think
the
city
wants
to
wait
until
we've
gone
through
a
year
to
you
know,
evaluate
the
effectiveness
of
the
ordinance
before
they
make
any
changes.
B
And
it
makes
sense,
you
know
if
you're
going
to
change
something
you
know
if
there's
something
else
that
needs
to
be
changed.
You
know,
then
we're
not
changing
it
continuously.
So
all
right,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
on
top
of
mind
for
everyone,
because
I
know
it
is
with
the
community
members
it's
on
the
top
of
their
mind,
so
all
right.
Well,
then,
we
will
keep
talking
about
it
and
see
when
the
appropriate
time
to
implement
that
is
all
right.
Anything
else
from
policy
working
group
that
wonderful.
B
Thank
you
so
much
for
your
work
on
chapter
20,
so
we'll
see
what
we
can
do
with
that
all
right.
Next
is
the
mission
statement
working
group
and
I
did
receive
an
edit
from
ed.
That
was
really
simple
added
the
word
equitable
in
a
key
location
on
this
document
here,
but
I
just
got
that
a
couple
days
ago,
so
dawn.
Did
you
get
a
chance
to
do
any
edits
on
that?
B
B
Okay,
that's!
Okay!
It's
fine!
But
when
you
get
a
chance
we
would
look
forward
to
your
suggestions
and
then
we
can
move
forward
with
maybe
adopting
this
here.
So.
F
F
Is
it
included
in
the
document
we
had
for
reference.
F
B
Was
like
I
said,
the
edit
from
ed
was
literally
one
word
that
I
just
got.
B
Yeah
it's
in
the
first
line
as
well,
which
is
fine
so,
but
once
we
get
more
input
on
that,
then
we'll
bring
it
up
and
see
if
we
can
vote
it
in
and
then
work
to
implement
it
with
the
city.
So
all
right.
Lastly,
for
trc,
we
don't
have
anything
new
to
report.
I
don't
think,
but
what
I
was
wondering
is:
can
I
attend
a
trc
meeting?
I
don't
have
anything
to
add
or
say
I
would
just
like
to
see
the
process.
B
So
if
I
could
put
in
a
request
to
get
on
the
you
know
to
be
able
to
just
go,
but
sharon
go
ahead.
E
Yeah,
if
you
just
because
patrick
attend,
gets
the
notifications
on
trc
to
go
so
it
has
public
comment.
You
can
just
show
up,
as
just
you
know,
a
normal
person
and
just
log
into
it.
I
can
send
you
if
you
want
the
links
every
time
I
get
them
and
when
the
meetings
are
you
don't
have
to.
B
That'd
be
cool
thanks
all
right.
That
was
it
just
that
way.
Then
I
can
have
a
little
more
information
so
that
when
sharon-
and
I
try
to
put
something
together
for
moving
forward
with
that-
then
I'll
know
what's
going
on
all
right,
so
good
job
working
groups,
so
next
is
424
sunset.
This
is
the
project
that
ed
and
sharon
have
been
working
on
that
had
a
violation,
and
so
is
there
an
update
on
where
they're
at
with
that
project.
E
Ed
and
I
walked
up-
and
I
have
not
yet
done
our
recommendations
for
what
we
see-
we
spent
a
fair
amount
of
time
up
there
and
for
everything
they
planted.
Pretty
much
is
dead
that
they
were
required
to
plant
it's
either
on
its
way
out
or
out
so
and
then,
on
top
of
needing
to
replace
what
has
died,
that
they've
planted.
E
We've
made
some
recommendations
to
add
shrubs
trees,
hardwood
trees
and
some
ground
covering
areas.
I
just
have
not
had
a
chance
to
sit
down,
and
it's
on
my
job
to
do
this
week
this
weekend
to
get
it
and
I
will
submit
it
to,
I
believe,
ricky
and
ed
when
I'm
done
with
it
ed's
already,
and
I've
already
talked
over
the
trees.
D
Right,
there's
there's
one
spot
half
way
between
or
maybe
a
third
of,
the
way
between
the
house
and
the
road
below
it
was
an
old.
It
looks
like
an
old
logging
road
that
has
been
sort
of
impounded
by
some
boulders
that
holds
the
runoff
back
and,
and
that
has
a
pretty
big
blowout
in
it
and
we're
recommending
that
some
stone
be
brought
in
to
improve
the
impounding
of
of
water
runoff.
D
You
could
just
tell
that
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
water
from
the
road
above
and
from
that
property
drains
to
this
one
spot.
So
they
do
have
some
issues
up
there,
but
I
think
between
the
stone
and
the
plant
material
that
we're
recommending
it'll
it'll
really
solve
the
problem
and
bring
the
property
back
into
compliance.
M
Yeah
money
we
may
need
to
get
somebody
to
check
that
out
because
me
and
sharon
talked
about,
I
believe
when
the
site
was
remediated
back
in
15
after
the
second
failure.
There's
supposed
to
be
a
system
up
there
that
captures
water,
and
so,
if
it's
blown
out,
then
that
might
be
violating
that
permit.
So
that's
good
to
know
ed
that
we
have
that
problem
now.
It's.
D
Clearly,
it's
clearly
blown
out.
You
can
access
it
from
the
road.
You
really
it's
kind
of
hard
to
get
there
from
the
house,
but
if
you
go
to
the
road
below
and
work
your
way
up
that
easement
it's
clear
as
day
that
it's
washing
out
and
really
simple
solution.
They
just
have
to
bring
a
bunch
of
big
rocks
in
and
close
it
that
impoundment
again.
E
And
and
fyi
it's
for
sale.
So
if
the
house
does
sell
but
happens
to
sell
before
this
is
remediated,
does
it
follow
the
new
owners,
or
does
it
stay
with
the
old
owners?
It
goes
with
it
to
the
new
owners
as
well.
E
The
day
the
day
we
were
up
there
and
we
had
a
bit
of
a
confrontation
with
the
with
the
owner,
but
it
went
on
the
day-to-day
and
I
walked
walk
the
property.
M
B
C
So
the
update
hasn't
changed
the
bills.
Neither
bill
met
the
may
13th
deadline
for
a
chamber
vote
so
they're
still
in
committee
and
technically,
according
to
the
legislative
rules,
they
would
have
to
be
resubmitted
in
the
2023
general
assembly
session.
C
However,
recently
senator
chuck
edwards,
one
of
the
two
senators
who
represents
buckham
county
and
city
of
asheville,
went
on
a
local
tv
station
and
said
that
while
he
understood
that
the
bills
didn't
meet
this
technical
requirement,
he
still
committed
to
the
bills
and
pushing
them
forward
and
insinuated
that
there
are
other
avenues
to
push
the
bill
to
the
floor
of
the
senate
in
the
house
during
this
current
session.
C
So
I
think
just
out
of
caution
that
we
should
vote
on
a
resolution
that
I
was
asked
to
prepare
and
I
think
haley,
if
you
wanted
to
put
that
up
on
the
screen
or
I'm
hoping
that
people
on
the
commission
had
a
chance
to
look
at
it
in
the
documents
that
we
should
go
ahead
and
urge
the
city
council
for
the
two
major
reasons
that
are
in
the
resolution
to
stay
opposed
to
the
en
enactment
of
senate
bill.
349
and
house
bill
401.
C
So
unless
there's
any
questions,
I
would
move
make
a
motion
to
support
the
urban
forestry
commission
resolution
on
senate
bill
340
and
house
bill
401.
B
C
B
C
D
B
C
B
And
we'll
keep
an
eye
on
what
happens
with
that
through
the
state
legislature
in
the
future,
as
well
all
right.
So
next
on
the
agenda
we
had
from
last
month,
the
urban
place
udo
amendment.
So
this
is
the
setting
up
specific
urban
place
locations
throughout
the
city
that
would
have
special
zoning
and
planning
requirements.
C
So
this
morning,
well,
I
worked
over
well
the
the
the
subcommittee
of
the
coalition
of
asheville
neighborhoods,
who
is
in
discussion
with
the
city
about
some
changes
to
the
urban
place
district
forum
code
made
some
recommendations.
C
One
of
the
pro
several
things
that
are
pertinent
to
the
urban
forestry
commission
is
that
the
original
form
code
language
exempted
building
impact
trees
from
the
form
code
form
district.
We
have
recommended
that
that
exempted
be
deleted
so
that
building
impact
trees
will
be
required.
In
our
discussions,
we
felt
that
they
were.
They
were
needed
to
help
with
the
not
only
the
the
ambient
ambience
of
these
mixed
use,
project
developments
in
terms
of
having
trees,
which
beautifies
everything,
but
also
to
help
mitigate
the
heat
island
impact.
C
That
would
be
probably
quite
high
with
with
these
next
use
projects,
since
there
are
essentially
buildings
and
parking
lots.
C
C
So
the
ball
is
now
in
the
in
the
city's
court
and
I'm
hoping
that
when
I
get
back
from
vacation
that
will
have
a
meeting
to
resolve
any
outstanding
issues
with
this,
and
then
I
can
report
back
to
the
commission
at
the
next
meeting
sharon.
Do
you
have
anything
you
want
to
add
to
that.
E
No,
it's
just
the
buffer.
The
buffer
urban
place
buffer
now
says
30
feet
a
b
and
they
wanted
we're,
recommending
it
be
reduced
down
to
10
and
then
with
a
50
reduction.
If
fencing
was
used
and
between
rm
multi-use
and
single
family,
I
felt
that
we
should
not
reduce
the
buffer
and
also
buffers
being
allowed
for
719.1
and
buffers
being
credited
for
open
space
that
the
green
space,
if
we
give
credit
for
open
space
and
credit
for
tree
canopy
that
that
would
incentivize
keeping
buffers
between
the
residential
and
this.
C
And
also
just
to
clarify
that
the
tree,
canopy
preservation
ordinance,
will
apply
to
these
urban
place
form
districts.
B
The
urban
place
farm
districts
all
right,
thanks
for
the
update
on
that,
so
moving
on
to
new
business.
The
first
item
is
windset
wind
drive
and
sharon,
and
I
believe
monty
that's
why
we
brought
you
in
here
as
well,
but
sharon,
if
you
want
to
give
us
an
overview.
E
I've
been
emailing
amante,
I
think
since
march,
and
he
I
want
to
acknowledge
the
fact
that
they're
completely
understaffed
with
illness
and
the
zoning
enforcement.
So
I
was
driving
monty
in
my
usual
nuts
emails
and
finally,
I
asked
if
he
could
appear
before
urban
forestry.
I
got
a
a
member
that
a
person
that
used
to
work
for
the
city
now
works
with
the
county
noticed
this.
This
is
up
on
windswept,
which
is
above
me
where
I
live,
and
I
never
noticed
it.
E
Someone
had
come
in
and
topped
all
the
trees
and
then
had
clear-cut
without
any
grading,
a
huge
amount
of
trees
on
this
property
that
has
not
developed
on
a
steep
slope
b,
and
so
it's
taken
a
while
for
a
city
to
go
out
there,
because
just
for
the
lack
of
staff
at
the
moment-
and
I
got
an
email
from
monty's
saying
that
someone
was
going
to
go
out
and
take
a
look
and
said
that
there
was
a
violation
with
the
tree
topping,
and
then
I
mentioned
that.
E
Well,
they
took
down
all
the
trees
without
a
permit
and
I'm
assuming
on
steep
slope
b.
We
still
need
a
permit
or
a
design
to
remove
all
those
trees
regardless
if
there
was
any
grading
or
not.
So
I
think
what
we're
just
waiting
for
is
a
staff
report.
P
But
one
of
the
issues
I
had
with
some
of
the
emails
from
sharon
is,
I
get
a
lot
of
emails
and
frankly
I
lost
one
of
them
way
back
in
the
email,
so
I
had
to
get
caught
back
up
on
that,
but
that's
where
it
stands
from
the
mechanics
side
of
getting
the
nov
issue
but
again,
like
I
said
with
any
of
the
technical
questions
specific
to
the
violation.
E
Okay,
because
I
I
know
your
email
said
for
tree
topping,
but
I
was
thinking
that
being
on
steep
slope
b
that
they
have
to
have
a
a
plan
before
they
I
mean
they
can
top
every
tree
if
they
have
a
plan
and
a
permit
and
the
seeps
will
be-
and
I
didn't
see
anything
on
file,
so
ricky's
is
ricky
still
on.
E
Oh
that's
right.
He
went
to
the
160d
meeting,
I
think
so.
Maybe
nancy
do
you
know
whether
I
can
I
can
email
ricky
and
ask
him.
E
Yeah
for
cutting
down
all
the
trees
on
a
bee,
because
90
of
the
trees
were
cut.
P
E
B
And
since
we
have
monty
here
with
enforcement,
is,
is
there
anything
else
we
want
to
ask
him
or
talk
about,
really
appreciate
you
taking
the
time
to
be
here.
We
often
as
a
group
run
into
these
kind
of
issues,
most
often
reported
to
us
from
the
community,
and
so
you
know
just
looking
for
the
best
way
to
communicate
with
you
and
your
group.
You
know.
Obviously
you
know
sharon
does
a
lot
of
this.
P
Well,
I
can
kind
of
give
you
a
really
quick
overview.
We've
really
just
started
kind
of
a
new
system
in
zoning
enforcement,
and
I
can
give
you
kind
of
a
quick
overview
of
how
it's
working
now
and
back
to
the
staffing
issue
we
are.
We
do
have
a
listing
to
hire
another
zoning
enforcement
officer
and
we're
going
through
that
process
right
now,
so
we'll.
P
P
Actually
apply
to
us
he'll
create
an
enforcement
case
in
excela,
which
you
know
has
an
assigned
number,
which
is,
you
know,
sent
one
to
sharing
the
other
day
about
this
case.
P
Once
that's
done,
it
goes
into
an
ascension
in
excel.
It's
called
my
task,
which
is
mine,
I'll
look
at
those
every
day
to
see
what's
come
through,
and
then
I
sign
them
out
to
the
zoning
inspector
of
taurus.
Of
course,
right
now,
there's
only
one
to
choose
from
and
they
take
it
from
there
they'll
go
out.
They'll,
look
at
the
site,
they'll
get
all
the
pictures
issue,
the
notice
of
violation
of
whatever
needs
to
happen
and
everything
that
she
does
in
the
field
gets
recorded.
K
P
Look
at
it,
so
that's
how
we're
functioning
right
now.
Obviously
anyone
can
contact
me
directly
if
you
need
to,
if
you
see
anything
that
needs
to
be
reported,
but.
E
B
Well,
we
really
appreciate
your
time.
Thank
you
so
much
for
sitting
through
the
rest
of
our
meeting,
but
hopefully
maybe
you
got
something
out
of
it
of
how
we
operate
and
and
how
we
might
be
able
to
work
together.
B
Good
well,
I
appreciate
that.
Thank
you.
So
much
thanks
have
a
good
one.
All
right
next
we'd
like
to
introduce
ali
fouts
again,
thank
you
for
sitting
through
our
meeting
and
ali
is
a
student
at
unc
asheville
working
on
some
research
on
asheville's
urban
forest
canopy,
so
allie.
If
you
want
to
introduce
yourself
and
give
us
an
overview
of
your
research.
U
Yes,
thank
you
amy,
my
internet,
just
glitched
am
I
still
here.
B
U
U
I
am
currently
also
a
makolo
fellow
and
so
my
research
is,
as
amy
said,
focusing
on
the
urban
tree
canopy
in
asheville
and
specifically
kind
of
looking
at
the
economic
and
social
significance,
especially
and
so
kind
of
trying
to
tie
it
all
together
from
not
just
an
environmental
kind
of
service.
It's
the
turpentry
canopy,
as
we
all
know
more
than
just
important
to
the
wildlife.
It's
extremely
important
to
us
for
many
reasons,
and
so
I
hope
with
my
research
to
kind
of
demonstrate
how
interdisciplinary
the
urban
tree
canopy
really
is.
U
So
I'm
working
with
dr
leah,
green
and
matthews
from
the
econ
department,
and
also
parent
young,
as
you
all
know,
is
my
is
my
community
partner.
U
So
the
questions
I
am
using
to
get
my
research
are
along
the
lines
of
what
are
the
benefits
of
associated
with
urban
tree
canopy
cover
in
specific
and
or
in
general,
but
also
specifically
in
asheville.
What
are
the
costs
associated
with
lack
of
urban
tree
cover
generally
and
also
specifically
in
asheville?
U
And
lastly,
how
has
tree
cover
changed
over
time
in
asheville
and
through
answering
these
questions?
I
hope
to
kind
of
achieve
like
a
few.
Here
are
my
goals,
I
guess
so
initially.
I
hope
to
create
an
inventory
that
outlines
the
benefits
of
having
urban
tree
canopy
cover
and
also
the
costs
or
harms
felt
by
those
who
do
not
have
sufficient
tree
cover.
U
I
hope
to
gain
a
better
understanding
of
how
those
benefits
and
costs
are
distributed
throughout
the
communities
in
asheville
so
which,
which
communities
might
be
protected
by
a
strong
urban
tree
canopy,
but
which
also
looking
at
which
communities
might
not
have
as
much
of
a
protection
might
not
have
as
many
trees,
and
so
they
aren't
able
to
reap
those
benefits,
and
ultimately,
I
just
hope
to
demonstrate
why
it
is
important
to
protect
our
urban
tree
canopy
in
the
city
of
asheville,
especially
looking
at
the
areas
that
are
least
for
it
or
have
the
fewest
trees.
U
I
would
like
to
conduct
some
sort
of
survey
or
community
engagement
portion,
but
I
haven't
yet
finalized
my
methods
and
I'm
just
not
entirely
sure
that
a
survey
could
be
feasible
or
effective
or
potentially
what's
best
for
the
community,
because
we
always
want
to
keep
the
communities
minds
or
the
communities
well-being
top
priorities,
so
I
may
or
may
not
be
able
to
do
a
survey
or
some
form
of
community
engagement,
but
that's
pretty
much
it.
I
just
wanted
to.
U
B
All
right
well,
thank
you
ali,
and
we
certainly
look
forward
to
the
outcomes
of
your
research
and
seeing
what
your
results
are.
It's
very
obviously
important
to
us,
but
that's
the
kind
of
data
that
we
use
when
we
make
our
case
to
counsel
so
steve.
Did
you
have
a
question.
F
F
It
looked
like
a
really
good
foundation
and
we
can
build
on
that
in
the
future.
So
it
lays
down
a
lot
of
connections
that
we
need
to
be
making
throughout
all
this
process
of
building
our
case,
for
you
know
having
a
more
integrated
management
for
urban
forestry
and
having
a
master
plan.
B
Thanks
all
right
and
yeah
feel
free
to
reach
out
to
any
of
us
who
have
all
of
our
contact
information.
So
thank
you.
Hopefully,
maybe
we'll
have
you
back
in
a
year
or
so
you
can
talk
about
how
it
went.
B
Great,
thank
you
so
much
all
right.
So
if
there's
something
else,
we
are
on
the
last
item
of
new
business,
the
urban
forestry
master
plan.
So
obviously
we
talked
about
this
in
our
budget
request,
but
I'll
try
to
overview
this,
but
dawn
you
might
need
to
jump
in,
but
asheville
greenworks
was
awarded
a
contract
with
the
city
to
start
some
of
the
foundational
groundwork
for
an
urban
forest
master
plan
or
management
plan
with
the
city,
so,
as
the
urban
forestry
commission
obviously
will
be
involved
in
that
as
well.
B
The
very
very
first
step
is
a
well.
I
don't
know
if
it's
the
very
first
step
that
greenworks
is
taking,
but
one
of
the
first
steps
that
we're
taking
is
a
meeting
with
just
some
key
city
partners
to
just
start
with
education.
What
is
an
urban
forest
management
plan?
How
does
it
benefit
the
city?
What
does
it
look
like?
What
does
it
involve?
B
You
know
those
pieces
put
together,
we're
actually
having
that
first
meeting
tomorrow,
we're
still
on
for
tomorrow
right
so
at
this
point
wanted
to
make
the
commission
aware
that
this
work
is
going
on
in
the
background
and
that
we
are
part
of
it
and
that
we're
getting
started.
This
won't
be
anything
that
will
lead
to
anything
quickly
but
we're
getting
the
the
pieces
together.
So
donner,
I
don't
know
if
anybody
else
has
anything
more
to
add
on
where
we're
at.
At
this
point.
F
Could
you
I
I
was
I'm
planning
to
participate
in
the
meeting,
because
that
was
a
request
last
time,
so
we
had
a
meeting.
Can
I
get
a
reminder
on
what
time
the
meeting
is?
Where
is
it
going
to
be
online
or
in
person.
B
Don't
know
either
yeah
if
we
could
get
that
together,
but
sharon
did
you
have
a
question
for
us.
A
B
Does
anybody
remember
I
sorry
that
I
don't
have
the
list
for
tomorrow?
I
don't
know
if
mark's,
probably
gonna,
be
there.
No.
B
We're
starting
small
and
obviously
we'll
build
up
from
there
and
right
now,
working
on
this
project
from
this
group
is
myself
dawn,
ed
and
steve.
But
if
anyone
has
a
strong
desire
to
be
a
part
of
that,
we
can
make
it
a
bigger
group.
If
we
need
to
no
okay,
good.
H
B
I've
started
a
little
powerpoint
piece,
I'll
get
it
to
you
by
the
end
of
the
day,
ed
to
look
at
thanks.
D
Great,
so
we'll
make
sure
we
send
you
the
link
also.
B
All
right
any
other
questions
or
anything
I
missed
on
where
we're
at
with
that.
Okay,
now
you
covered
it
all
right
and,
of
course,
we'll
be
keeping
everybody
informed
with
how
this
process
goes.
So
I'm
very
excited
I've
studied
urban
forest
master
plans
for
years.
This
is
the
first
time
I've
been
able
to
be
involved
from
the
ground,
which
is
very
exciting.
So
I
not
exciting
that
this
is
the
first
urban
forest
management
plan
that
asheville
is
creating
in
2021
but
excited
to
be
a
part
of
it.
B
So
all
right,
that's
it
for
our
regular
agenda.
We
have
updates
that
are
listed
on
the
agenda
from
public
works,
stormwater
and
duke
valerie
you're
still
here
did
you
want
to
talk
to
us
about
your
stormwater
updates.
Q
Sure-
and
I
have
if
I
need
to
show
you
a
an
exhibit-
I
could
share
my
screen
and
show
it
to
you,
but
we
have
two
in
stormwater
capital
projects
where
we
are
well
the
one
I'm
going
to
speak
to
you
about
first
is:
we
are
removing
replacing
five
trees.
Q
It's
in
an
area
in
sulphur
springs
road,
where
it's
one
of
the
low
points
and
there's
a
big
existing
box
culvert
and
a
lot
of
flooding
in
that
area,
so
we're
putting
in
a
pretty
big
storm
system
and
also
kind
of
stabilizing
the
creek,
because
it's
been
eroding
and
the
banks
are
no
longer
like
sustainable
and
that's
where
the
trees
are
so
on
the
east
side
of
the
creek.
Q
There
are
two
trees
we're
taking
down
and
replacing
one
is
a
big
poplar
and
one
is
a
big
walnut
and
it's
really
fortuitous
to
be
replacing
these
trees,
because
right
now,
they're
growing
up
into
a
pretty
major
utility
lines,
so
we'll
be
replacing
them
a
little
bit
different
area
and
then
on
the
west
side
of
the
creek.
Q
There
are
three
trees
that
we
are
replacing
the
homeowners
very
happy
we're
replacing
them
because
they're
covered
in
like
ivy
and
vines
and
they're
not
doing
very
well,
and
they
have
a
lot
of
like
dead
branches
at
the
top,
so
we'll
be
taking
those
out
and
replacing
them
and
not
sure.
What's
next,
you
have
questions
or
need
to
see.
I
can
share
my
screen.
Show
you
an
exhibit.
D
Q
It
may
I
believe
the
way
our
contract
is
written
is
that
the
contractor
is
responsible
for
taking
that
down,
and
it's
a
good
question.
Q
Q
Right,
these
are
kind
of
small
one
is
an
eight
inch
and
one's
a
12
inch
and
I'm
curious
too,
because
the
landowner
might
say
well,
I
want
my
tree
once
you
take
it
down
so
yeah.
E
I
just
wanted
to
say
you
know:
the
ivy
on
the
trees
is
a
homeowner
issue
and
and
if
we
could
just
advise
them
to,
please
keep
the
ivy
off
the
trees.
I
know
that's
kind
of
a
obvious
question
for
all
of
us
here,
but
it's
you
know.
I
mean
I
see
it
on
boat
catcher,
all
the
time
trees
are
declining
and
funneling
over.
All
the
time
gets
the
iv
on
them.
So
fyi.
Q
Now
I
agree
and
we're
not
taking
them
down
because
of
the
iv
we're
taking
them
down
for
the
for
putting
in
our
stormwater
system.
That
just
happened
to
be
like
their
reason
why
they
were
kind
of
glad
we
were
taking
them
down
because
they're
already
hurt
from
the
iv.
It's
my
understanding
yeah,
but
I
I
get
your
point.
Q
Okay,
I
just
wanna
make
sure
lee
morrison
is
not
on
here
before
I
start
on
the
next
one.
I
don't
think
he
is
okay,
so
the
other,
the
other
project,
we're
doing
is
another
stormwater
system
on
forest
hill
drive
in
caledonia
in
that
neighborhood,
and
there
is
one
area
where
a
woman
has
two
trees.
Q
Two
existing
one
is
a
looks
like
a
maple
and
a
maple
two
two
small
maples
like
a
twelve
inch
and
a
ten
inch
maple,
and
they
are
right
where
our
storm
water
pipe
needs
to
go,
and
we
we've
tried
to
avoid.
You
know,
trees
everywhere
we
possibly
could-
and
this
is
one
area
we
could
not
avoid
it,
and
unfortunately
we
had
to
condemn
this
small
little
part
of
property
to
get
an
easement
to
put
our
storm
pipe
through
and
the
owner.
Q
We
don't
have
permission
to
replace
the
trees
on
her
property
if
that
makes
sense.
So
we
can't
replace
these
two
so
we're
taking
out
these
two
trees
and
have
a
little
permanent
easement
for
our
storm
pipe
to
go
through.
We
can't
plant
trees
in
the
permanent
easement
and
we
can't
plant
them
outside
the
permanent
easement
because
she's
not
allowing
it.
So
that
is
another
project
we're
working
on
and
having
to
take
down
a
couple
of
trees.
B
B
All
right,
okay-
and
I
see
that
duke
sent
in
an
update
that
there's
no
maintenance,
but
unfortunately
their
representative
is
again
not
at
our
meeting.
I
think
we'll
have
to
bring
this
up
again
next
month,
so
all
right.
Well
then,
we
have
reached
the
end
of
the
agenda
if
there
are
any
other
questions
or
comments.
If
not,
we
can
have
a
motion
to
adjourn.
C
C
B
D
T
B
Dawn
bye
and
I
vote
I
so
thank
you
so
much
we'll
see
everybody
next
month.
Oh
real,
quick!
Sorry,
if
anybody
will
be
absent
as
we
go
through
the
summer,
please
give
us
ample
notice
if
you
can
appreciate
it.
Okay,
thank
you
so
much.
Thank
you
for
keeping
us
on
time.
Bye.
Everybody
thanks.
Bye,
have
a
good
one.