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E
The
old
link
wasn't
working.
I
see
it
now.
A
Let's
just
give
it
one
more
minute.
Sorry,
everyone.
C
A
All
right,
oh
I'm,
gonna
suggest
we
get
started
since
it
is
streaming
and
being
recorded
and
we
have
a
lot
to
talk
about
and
I
value
everyone's
time
so
so
we'll
continue
to
troubleshoot
with
the
public
input
site
but
I'll
hand
it
over
to
andrew
to
get
us
started
administratively.
E
All
right
well,
good
morning,
everybody
sorry
about
the
delay.
I'm
chair,
andrew
fletcher,
and
I'd
like
to
welcome
everybody
to
the
march
25th
public
space
management
committee.
This
is
our
first
meeting
sort
of
after
being
reformed
in
the
quasi-post-pandemic
world
that
we're
living
in
right.
Now
we
are
attempting
to
stream
live
on
our
virtual
engagement
hub,
but
we
are
live
on
youtube
right
now.
We
also
have
an
option
to
listen
live
by
phone.
Hopefully,
that's
gonna
go
live
with
the
virtual
engagement
hub,
so
for
everybody
that's
out
there
watching
today.
E
Thank
you
very
much
for
being
here
and
it's
nice
to
be
able
to
get
this
work
started
again.
E
And
so
yeah,
so
the
task
force
makeup.
We
are,
I
think,
about
20
that
is
assigned
here
and
what
I'm
gonna
do
now
is
in
no
particular
order
as
a
way
of
both
taking
attendance
and
getting
everybody
to
introduce
themselves.
E
My
name
is
andrew
fletcher,
I'm
the
vice
chair
of
the
public
art
and
cultural
commission
and
the
vice
chair
of
the
city
of
asheville's,
downtown
commission.
We've
got
a
lot
of
experience
on
the
street,
working
with
the
asheville,
buskers,
collective
and
being
a
busker
as
well.
I'm
on
the
board,
member
with
the
asheville
music
professionals,
and
we
worked
very
closely
with
noise,
ordinance
side
of
things
and
and
I'm
going
to
be
the
chair
and
leading
the
and
facilitating
these
meetings.
E
So
next,
next
on
the
list
here
in
no
particular
order,
susan
hutchinson.
F
There
you
go
sorry,
I
work
for
mountain
express,
and
I
also
am
involved
with
the
community
publishing
group,
so
I'm
representing
the
mostly
those
boxes
on
the
street
that
have
print
publications
in
them
that
I
know
there's
a
love
hate
relationship
because
we're
we're
fighting
constantly
the
some
of
the
vagrancies
in
the
homeless
situation,
with
people
destroying
the
boxes,
messing
with
the
papers,
taking
them
and
littering
making
litter
on
the
sidewalk
and
trying
to
balance
that
dilemma,
and
that
problem
with
the
necessity
and
the
value
of
having
the
print
media
in
in
a
city
to
help
make
it
stay.
F
E
Okay,
thank
you
susan
next,
we
have
pat
kappas
is
pat
here
today.
E
Okay,
next
mary
ann
west.
G
G
Andrew
to
this
whole
thing,
when
we
were
working
together
with
the
buskers,
my
particular
interest
is
that's
been
a
I'm
a
landscape
architect
in
an
urban
forester,
and
I
spent
a
lot
of
time
in
a
professional
capacity
as
the
landscape
services
manager
for
the
city
of
durham.
So
I
took
care
of
the
downtowns
and
the
parks
and
the
public
spaces,
and
all
of
that
so
I
approached
this
sort
of
through
a
lens
of
having
not
only
managed
large
public
spaces,
but
having
lived
in
the
french
quarter
for
a
long
time
in
new
orleans.
G
So
I
I
know
how
to
live
there
and
I
know
what
it
takes
to
to
to
have
a
really
good
functioning
urban
space
and
that's
my
interest.
E
Great
thank
you
and
thanks
for
getting
me
involved
in
city
boards
and
commissions
all
those
years
ago.
It's
been,
it's
been
a
fun
ride.
Next
we
have
megan
rogers.
Please.
H
Hi
I'm
megan
rogers
executive
director
of
the
asheville
downtown
association.
I
think
I'm
wearing
a
couple
hats
when
it
comes
to
this
group
downtown
business
representative,
special
event,
organizer
and
downtown
commission
representative
as
well
thanks.
E
Thank
you
megan
next,
mike
disirio
is
mike
here
today.
I
Yep,
I'm
here
that's
great
yeah,
thanks
for
having
me
guys,
happy
friday
to
everybody,
so
I
work
at
homeward
bound
and
I'm
the
program
manager
for
their
outreach
program.
So,
basically
in
a
nutshell,
I
go
out
and
provide
homeless
services
to
people
that
are
in
camps.
I
also.
C
I
Navigate
any
kind
of
or
troubleshoot
with
businesses
in
the
downtown
area
and
community
members
if
they
come
across
somebody
who's
homeless,
maybe
somebody,
for
instance,
sleeping
in
front
of
their
business
or
you
know,
behind
their
house.
So
I
helped
them
kind
of
navigate
that
and
see
basically
try
to
connect
that
person
with
resources
and
also
educate
the
community.
So
that's
me.
E
Cool.
Thank
you
mike
peter
polly.
E
No
next
stephen
lee
johnson-
I
saw
him
in
here
a
minute
ago.
D
Hey
y'all,
I'm
maggie,
I'm
here
with
a
handful
of
hats
like
many
of
us
one
is
I'm
on
the
multimodal
transportation
commission
with
john
vistoni,
who
will
introduce
himself
later
and
so
as
it
relates
to
this
specifically,
you
know,
I
think,
about
all
the
public
space
that
our
roads
and
sidewalks
take
up,
and
so
how
is
this
going
to
show
up
in
our
conversations
as
kind
of
a
first
lens
or
a
first
hat?
The
second
hat
is
I'm
a
candidate
for
actual
city
council,
and
so
there's
just
so.
D
Our
downtown
is
our
heartbeat,
and
so
I'm
excited
to
be
part
of
a
conversation
where
we're
really
trying
to
look
in
detail
at
things.
We
want
because
there's
a
lot
of
big
picture
things
we
talk
about,
but
this
is
really
where
the
rubber
meets
the
road
to
support
downtown.
So
I
think
it
will
be
fun
to
hang
out
and
hopefully
I
can
contribute
and
then
just
another
hat
is.
I
was
a
city
staffer
for
seven
years.
D
I
was
asheville's
first
sustainability
director,
so
that
just
gives
me
a
lot
of
experience
and
lens
in
what
cities
can
and
can't
do
how
rules
work,
how
bureaucracy
works,
how
city
hall
works,
and
I
think
that
can
be
useful
when
we're
engaging
in
community
just
kind
of
an
inside
lens.
Now
that
I'm
an
outside
person
so
can't
wait
to
connect
with
each
of
you.
J
Hey
everyone,
so
I
like
maggie,
wear
several
hats.
I
survive
on
the
multimodal
transportation
commission
for
the
city
of
asheville,
as
well
as
the
transit
committee,
so
these
public
spaces
are
very
important
to
to
the
both
the
commission
and
the
committee.
I
also
work
downtown.
I'm
a
real
estate
broker
with
colgo
banker
king,
so
I
represent
a
downtown
business
as
well.
I
have
a
background
in
community
development
and
real
estate
development.
So
that's
that's
where
I'm
at
great.
E
Thank
you
here,
yeah
glad
to
have
you,
kate,
raba.
E
Thank
you,
dana
neura,
edwards,
we've,
no
okay,
mike
mccarty.
K
Hey
everyone
mike
mccarty
owner
of
the
lobster
trap,
I've
been
I've
been
living
in
nashville
now
for
23
years,
and
I've
been
working
downtown
for
about
16.
also
feels
like
I
live
downtown.
K
L
Hey
everybody
mike
rangel,
representing
asheville,
breen
company
downtown
and
rabbit
rabbit.
The
new
live
music
venue
excited
to
be
a
part
of
the
of
this
and
looking
forward
to
seeing
what
kind
of
impact
we
can
make.
M
Hey
everybody.
My
name
is
john
wilson,
I'm
the
general
manager
of
tupelo
honey,
cafe
12
college
street
directly
across
the
street
from
pritchard
park.
I
wanted
to
say
thank
you
for
allowing
those
of
us
like
mike
and
mike
and
myself,
to
be
involved
with
this
conversation
both
because
I
think
you
know
a
lot
of
us
spend
the
majority
of
our
waking
hours
here
in
the
downtown
of
asheville,
and
so
we
may
be
able
to
provide
a
sort
of
frontline.
M
M
The
mics,
but
you
know
I
had
the
dubious
honor
of
having
to
go
to
court
by
because
I
was
assaulted
by
one
of
our
park
denizens
last
year
and
I've
I've
been
I've,
been
here,
I'm
in
my
eighth
year,
so
I've
watched,
I
don't
know
whether
you
would
call
it
the
evolution
or
the
devolution
of
our
downtown
area
in
that
time.
M
E
And
last
but
not
least,
lyle
rickards.
B
Hi
everybody,
my
name,
is
lyle
rickerts.
I
am
a
busker
here
in
asheville
for
about
the
last
six
years.
I
am
a
being
part
of
the
asheville
buskers
collective
and
working
with
abby
over
the
years
and
playing
with
her
I've
kind
of
piggybacked,
with
her
on
meetings
and
and
data
that
we've
collected
as
the
busker
collective.
Thank
you
so
much
for
adding
us
on
these
conversations.
B
As
some
of
the
restaurant
people
and
brewery
people
have
just
stated,
we
spend
as
buskers
a
lot
of
time
in
the
downtown
area
and
we
are
amongst
the
throng
of
the
evolution
of
what's
happening
to
asheville,
and
I
appreciate
that
we're
brought
into
the
conversation
as
the
restaurants
and
the
business
owners.
We
are
as
buskers
the
eyes
and
ears
of
this
town
for
data
of
everyday
life
in
asheville.
We
are
on
almost
every
corner
and
we
are
working
with
a
group
of
musicians
who
are
musicians.
B
So
in
the
vernacular
we
are
very
an
odd
bunch
to
say
the
elites,
but
we
are
a
collective
and
we
are
really
trying
to
work
with
the
city
on
policies
and
we
have
our
own
code
of
conduct,
which
we
appreciate
the
city
has
given
us
allowing
us
to
do
what
we
do
without
permits
and
allowing
us
to.
B
I
don't
want
to
use
the
word
self-covered,
but
allowing
us
to
do
what
we
do
and-
and
we
are,
our
ears-
are
open
to
the
business
owners
that
we're
playing
in
front
of
and
and
we're
trying
to
adjust
our
lives
to
kind
of
come
to
cooperate
with
everybody.
B
We
also
are
concerned
with
the
people
that
are
behind
us
in
those
businesses
and
we
want
to
work
with
you
and
we
are
as
a
collective,
we're
very
open
to
suggestions
and
and
talking
to
us
before
it
goes
into
like
police
or
anything
like
that
or
noise
ordinance.
So
thank
you
for
letting
me
be
in
this
discussion.
B
I
hopefully
I
can
stick
around
for
most
of
it,
because
it's
a
nice
day
and
I've
got
to
go
out
and
play
the
music,
but
you'll
usually
find
me
if
anybody
wants
to
find
me,
I'm
usually
in
front
of
the
mass
general
store
which
mast
is,
you
know,
is
a
different
bird
than
most
places.
It's
a
private
property
area,
so
their
code
of
conduct
for
how
we
play
there
is
a
little
stronger
than
the
collectives.
But
thank
you
for
having
me.
Let's
get
this
thing
going.
E
Thank
you.
I
see
we
got
a
couple
people
that
are
popping
in
a
little
late,
so
if
I
can
ask
peter
polly,
if
I
just
introduce
yourself
and
your
interest
in
and
what
brings
you
to
the
public
space
management
committee.
N
Today,
I'm
the
owner
of
pasano
restaurant
right
at
one
biltmore
avenue,
we've
been
there
13
years,
I'm
you
know
in
one
of
the
middle
of
the,
I
guess
busiest
places
in
downtown
and
we
have
a
lot
of
buskers,
which
is
amazing
and
some
other
undesirables,
and
we
like
very
much,
I
guess,
downtown,
being
used
for
the
intent
and
purposes
of
why
things
were
put
there
and
and
constructed
like
the
parks
and
the
mini
parks
and
the
benches
for
people
that
add
to
the
liveliness
of
downtown
and
not
to
the
detriment
of
downtown.
N
So
you
know
we
love
downtown.
We
love
the
vibrancy
and
we
just
want
to
be
a
little
part
of,
hopefully
keeping
it
headed
in
the
right
direction.
E
Cool,
thank
you
peter,
and
I
see
that
new
edwards
joined
too.
Can?
Will
you
please
introduce
yourself.
O
Hey
I'm
nora
edwards,
I'm
a
co-owner
at
asheville
discount
pharmacy
and
I'm
interested
in
being
part
of
this
because
I'd
like
to
see
you
know
just
to
have
a
voice
in
what's
happening
downtown.
I
haven't
really
gotten
involved
much
with
anything
going
on
downtown
until
the
past
year
and
you.
C
E
A
I'm
sure
we'll
be
quick,
dana
frankel,
I
hope
I
hope
I've
connected
with
each
of
you
downtown
planning
manager
in
our
urban
design
and
place
strategies
division
in
the
planning
department.
We
have
carly
stevenson
here
who
works
on
public
art
and
urban
design
and
she'll
speak
with
you
all
a
little
bit
later,
david
hazard,
also
in
our
division,
who
works
on
urban
design,
and
I
think
we
had
jessica
morris
who's,
our
assistant
director
of
transportation,
so
here
hi
jessica,
thanks
for
being
here
so
we'll
keep
rolling.
A
Unless
snap
really
wants
to
say
a
few
words,
but
I
think
we've
got
a
lot
to
try
to
get
through.
So
thanks
so
much
for
everyone.
Introducing
yourselves
and
thank
you
for
being
here.
I
think,
as
you
can
all
see,
we
have
like
a
pretty
diverse
range
of
perspectives
going
on
with
this
group,
which
is
super
exciting.
A
I
I
want
to
make
sure
you
all
are
aware
and
there's
there's
a
lot
of
different
links
in
the
agenda,
so
hopefully
you've
gotten
a
little
time
just
to
navigate
some
of
those
materials
and,
if
not
obviously,
there's
time
to
do
so
afterwards.
But
the
downtown
commission
did
work
on
designating
different
a
number
of
different
representatives
to
participate
in
this
group
and
so
pretty
much.
A
All
of
you
are
representing
one,
if
not
multiple,
of
those
perspectives
here,
and
we
really
we
recognize
public
spaces
so
important
and
so
complicated
and
really
want
to
bring
all
of
your
various
lenses
to
the
table.
So
thank
you
and
it's
going
to
be
so
much
fun
right
like
how
often
do
we
get
this
many
varied
folks
kind
of
trying
to
focus
on
the
same
thing
so
today
is
the
the
main
goal
is
to
try
to
to
start
from
some
shared
foundation,
and
I
don't
expect
most
of
our
meetings
to
be
virtual.
A
I
know
it's,
you
know
it's
a
beautiful
friday,
but
for
those
who
are
missing
the
meeting
they'll
be
able
to
go
back
and
and
watch
this,
and
it
just
seemed
like
the
right
format
at
this
moment
to
try
to
get
on
the
same
page
and
to
give
you
all
some
background.
A
Some
of
you
have
been
super
involved,
and
some
of
you
are
brand
new
to
this
group,
and
so
we'll
do
our
best
to
kind
of
provide
you
guys
with
the
key
pieces
of
what
got
us
to
where
we
are
now
and
just
as
kind
of
a
broad
overview.
A
The
purpose
of
this
group-
and
I
do
think,
there's
you
know,
there's
room
to
evolve
over
time,
but
the
city
is
managing
public
space
every
day
and
decisions
are
made
every
day.
We
operate
a
lot
of
programs,
we
do
push
parts,
we
do
outdoor
dining,
we
you
know
work,
we
don't
have
formal
permitting
for
the
buskers,
but
we
certainly
work
with
the
buskers
parking.
You
know.
Bike
lanes
like
all
of
this
is
taking
special
events
street
trees.
A
This
is
all
taking
place
in
public
space
for
the
purposes
of
this
group
and
the
way
that
we've
approached
this
in
the
past
is
really
focusing
on
streets
and
sidewalks
parks,
kind
of
obviously
they're
important,
but
there's
a
lot
of
programs
specific
to
parks,
and
but
we,
where
we've
had
a
lot
of
issues
in
terms
of
limited
space,
and
you
know
competing
interests
for
use
of
that
space
and
an
opportunity
and
need
to
look
at
the
way
we're
managing
these
areas.
A
I
think
streets
and
sidewalks
present
you
know,
is
a
is
a
special
focus
and
priority.
So
that's
that's
going
to
be
primarily
what
we're
looking
at
and
for
the
purpose
of
this
group
is
really
to
help
us
advance
and
improve
the
policies
and
programs
that
we
have
in
public
space.
We
now
have.
You
know
we
have
some
work
to
do
up
front
which
we'll
talk
about.
We
worked
on
a
framework
based
on
public
input,
that
kind
of
outlines,
pros
and
cons
of
various
uses
in
public
space.
A
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
all
kind
of
feeling
good
about
that
framework
that
can
inform
staff
on
a
day-to-day
basis.
But
now
we
have
you
all.
If
and
when
staff
is
making
big
changes,
or
you
know
working
on
a
long-term
parklet
program
or
making
changes
to
the
way
that
outdoor
dining
is
permitted
and
those
standards.
We
can
go
to
you
all
and
get
your
input
and
that's
awesome
because
again,
you're
representing
so
many
different
lenses
here.
E
Sure,
if
I
could
jump
in
just
a
real
quick
I
want
to
so
that
today
is
sort
of
like
we're
sort
of
setting
the
table,
we're
not
going
to
be
actually
getting
to
have
the
meal.
Yet
I'm
looking
forward
to
getting
doing
some
walk
around.
So
I
think
that
is
where
the
real
value
and
discussion
and
interaction
takes
place
and
also,
I
know
that
we
all
we're
all
wearing
multiple
hats,
and
I
want
to
emphasize
that
what
makes
a
downtown,
exciting
and
thriving
is
when
there
are
multiple
successes
happening
in
the
same
place.
E
So
I
really
I
want
to
charge
us
all
with
thinking
creatively
and
collectively
about
how
how
we
can
succeed
when
others
succeed.
So
I
know
with
my
busking
background-
tells
me
that
without
great
outdoor,
dining
and
park,
benches
busking
isn't
very
interesting
and
might
not
happen.
There's
so
there's
a
lot
of
just.
E
So
that's
sort
of
how
I
want
to
lay
lay
it
out,
and
I
expect
everyone
to
be
cordial
and
honest
and
straightforward,
and
and
that's
and
and
really
that's
that
so
dana
take
us
away.
E
Dana
you're,
you're,
muted.
A
Thank
you
just
a
little
bit
of
background.
Some
of
you
have
heard
some
of
this
downtown
commission.
Multimodal
commission
met
at
the
end
of
last
year.
This
is
going
to
be
a
little
bit
higher
level,
but
so
we
completed
our
downtown
master
plan
in
2010..
A
Since
that
time
we've
had
increases
in
users
of
all
types
downtown
has
gotten
much
busier.
We
didn't
implement
some
of
the
recommendations
of
the
downtown
master
plan
in
terms
of
management
entity,
so
we've
struggled
I'd,
say
it's.
There
have
been
a
lot
of
challenges
since
2010
in
terms
of
how
these
spaces
are
managed
and
how
different
parties
interact
and
who
gets
prioritized,
and
so
there
were
some
intentional
discussions
about
downtown
public
space
management
starting
around
2014..
A
This
was
before
my
time
I
joined
the
city
in
2016..
I
know
the
buskers.
A
lot
of
those
conversations
were
focused
on
busking
activity,
but
there
was
a
stakeholder
group
that
had
formed
and
there
was
different
representatives
from
buskers
and
tourism
residents.
Some
folks,
I
know
marion
west
was
part
of
that.
Obviously,
the
buster's
collective
was
part
of
that.
So
there's
some
overlap
here,
but
but
some
progress
was
made
through
that
work.
A
We
worked
with
the
buskers
on
a
pilot
program
with
some
designated
locations
and
on
this
street
performance
guide
and
kind
of
took
this
educational
approach
to
managing
some
issues.
We
also
worked
with
wall
street
folks
to
explore
programming
on
the
street
and
regular
closures
on
the
street,
and
we
made
some
adjustments
to
push
carts.
So
we
we
got
some
good
work
done,
but
we
also
didn't
have
like
an
overarching
framework
or
really
other
priorities
on
the
list
to
work
on
tackling.
A
So
in
2018,
the
downtown
commission
formed
a
public
space
management
committee
and
that
committee
did
awesome
work
and
some
more
of
you
were
part
of
that
group,
peter
pillay.
I
know
I
was
on
that
group
andrew
began
and
has
continued
to
lead
as
chair,
even
though
he
had
a
bit
of
a
hiatus
so
that
group
worked
to
develop
a
public
survey
in
summer
of
2019.
A
A
All
the
things
how
what
kind
of
where
things
fell
in
level
of
importance?
Knowing
that
there's
a
lot
of
overlap,
we
can't
have
all
the
things
in
the
same
place.
You
can't
have
on-street
parking
and
a
bike
lane
and
a
parklet,
and
you
know
freely
flowing
traffic.
So
we
got
a
lot
of
really
good
input
and
with
that
input
the
committee
then
worked
on
kind
of
prioritizing
some
of
these
issues
and
programs
in
terms
of
what
the
city
really
needs
to
focus
on.
A
Although
it's
a
big
list
which
we'll
get
to
and
covet
happened
right
so
just
as
we
had
a
lot
of
momentum
to
kind
of
build
out
this
framework
to
guide
next
steps,
things
got
a
little
bit
distracted.
E
You
know
we're
sort
of
we're
going
to
try
to
capture
those
experiences,
give
city
staff
a
good
platform
to
make
decisions
that
we
can
have
an
expectation
of
how
they're
going
to
be
executed.
What's
going
to
what
we
think
is
going
to
work
for
everybody
and
go
for
there.
So,
though
we
had
a
hiatus
during
the
during
this
is
really
the
right
time
to
come
back
together
and
try
to
capture
those
lessons
identify.
E
A
Thanks
andrew,
so
I'm
just
going
to
jump
in
and
highlight
some
things
we
learned
from
that
public
survey
when
we
asked
folks
about
how
various
uses
of
public
space
impact
their
experience
downtown
we
can
see.
The
blue
here
is
very
positive.
The
red
is
very
negative,
so
the
most
positive
impacts
were
greenery
and
plantings,
outdoor
dining
street
performances,
public
seating,
special
events
and
festivals.
You
know
mostly
positive.
We
get
down
to
the
bottom
and
we
see
construction.
A
Related
closures
is,
is
very
negative,
entertainment,
tour
vehicles
and
trolleys
somewhat
negative,
some
negative
experiences
of
business
signage,
but
mostly
neutral,
and
then
we
asked
in
a
different
way
oops
this
one's
a
little
bit
harder
to
read,
but
you
do
have
links
in
your
agenda,
yes,
in
a
different
different
way.
The
importance
of
these
various
aspects
or
uses
of
public
space
trees
and
shade
was
a
high
priority,
unexpected
or
unobstructed
sidewalk
space
for
walking
and
mobility
mobility
also
very
important
greenery
and
plantings
street
and
sidewalk
lighting,
and
then
looking
at
the
bottom
importance.
A
I
hate
that
this
is
at
the
bottom
availability
of
loading
zones,
young,
adult
facilities,
ease
and
availability
of
ride.
Share,
obviously,
you
know
this
stuff
is
important
to
different
folks
in
different
ways,
but
we,
it
was,
is
great
to
be
able
to
learn
these
insights
from
from
over
900
folks
in
the
public
who
took
the
survey,
and
so
the
committee
reviewed
all
those
survey
results
and
out
of
the
27
different
uses
of
public
space
and
different
amenities
in
public
space.
The
committee
prioritized
these
14
to
be
able
to
work
on.
A
They
decided
some
of
these
other
things
they
thought
were
kind
of
already
running,
didn't
necessarily
need
a
particular
focus,
but
these
14
in
different
ways.
The
committee
thought
needed
some
more
analysis
and
focus.
So
these
are
the
14
things
that
we
also
that
we
have
then
translated
into
this
public
space
management
framework
document.
A
Let
me
advance
so
we
took
the
committee,
took
those
14
things
and
looked
at
different
goals
that
we
have
as
a
city
pulled
from
various
plans,
many
of
them
the
downtown
master
plan
and
and
considered
if
these
uses
of
public
space
either
aligned
with
those
goals
or
conflicted
with
those
goals.
So
we
can
see
that
larger
sidewalk
spaces
for
gathering
that,
like
aligned
with
all
of
the
goals,
outdoor
seating,
it
doesn't
support
people
moving
freely
from
place
to
place,
but
it
does
align
with
a
lot
of
other
goals.
A
We
each
one
of
you
brings
a
different
perspective
to
the
table,
each
one
of
us
staff,
whether
I'm
working
in
transportation
or
public
works
or
public
art
or
planning.
You
know
we're
bringing
a
different
perspective
to
the
table,
so
we
can
at
least
reference
these.
This
shared
acknowledgement
of
some
of
the
benefits
and
some
of
the
issues,
the
document
also
so
it
serves
as
guidance
for
staff
in
in
the
day-to-day
operations
that
they
and
we
manage.
A
It
also
provides
guidance
for
this
new
team,
which
you'll
hear
a
little
bit
more
about
that
has
been
formed
that
focuses
on
urban
design
and
the
public
chrome
and
it
it
serves
and
will
serve
as
a
tool
for
prioritization
and
and
help
and
better
inform
updates
to
the
various
policies
and
processes
that
we
have
that
impact
public
space
and
can
serve
as
a
foundation
for
future
planning
efforts
for
updates
to
the
downtown
master
plan
for
a
downtown
streetscape
plan,
which
we
we've
been
talking
a
lot
about.
A
So
that's
the
purpose
of
the
framework
and
we're
gonna,
we're
gonna.
Ask
you
guys
to
take.
You
know
it's
about
25
pages,
it's
not
exhaustive,
but
we
have
a
few
months
to
get
a
little
bit
deeper
into
that.
We
do
hope
that
in
a
couple
months
that
that
we
can
absolutely
make
some
adjustments
and
changes,
but
we
hope
that
the
downtown
commission
and
the
multimodal
commission
will
will
kind
of
adopt
this
framework,
not
that
it
can
never
change,
but
it
is
it's
a
starting
place.
It's
a
framework.
It's
a
foundation.
A
A
So
it's
just
something
to
keep
in
mind
as
we
move
forward
as
well
and
with
that
and
I'm
to
stop
screen
sharing
so
that
we
can
all
see
each
other
a
little
bit
better.
Just
wanted
to
highlight
some
of
the
work
that
city's
doing
now.
That
I
think,
is
particularly
relevant
to
our
to
public
space
and
just
want
to
you
guys
to
have
on
your
radar,
as
you
start
thinking
more
and
more
about
some
of
these
public
space
issues
and
opportunities,
and
so
I'm
gonna.
P
Thanks
dana,
my
name
is
dave
hauser
for
you,
those
who
don't
know
me,
I'm
a
urban
designer
work
with
dana
and
steph
and
carlene
folks
in
the
planning
department.
My
background
is,
as
a
landscape.
Architect
worked
in
the
private
sector
for
11
years
and
then
I
was
a
planner
for
the
city
of
hendersonville,
so
kind
of
put
my
planning
hat
on
and
my
design
hat
and
I've
been
with
the
city
about
five
years,
looking
at
a
lot,
mostly
public
space
and
looking
at
public
space
through
design
lens.
P
Recently,
we've
put
together
what
we
call
the
urban
design
working
group,
which
is
an
internal
group
of
staff,
made
up
of
largely
designers
or
design
related
professions,
so
landscape,
architects,
engineers
planners
to
review
vet
develop,
be
it
the
proposed
design,
plans,
design,
standards,
public
sector
requests.
So
can
I
do
x
in
this
spot
in
the
city
and
we
scramble
around
and
try
to
look
at
it
and
say?
Is
it
good
for
the
public?
Is
it
bad
for
the
public
most
of
time?
P
It's
a
balance
right
and
shall
we
try
to
weigh
all
those
things
out
as
dana's
work
is,
is
showing
it
that
we
have
limited
space
and
we
we
do
a
lot
in
that
limited
space.
But
we
also
know,
I
think
it's
over
25
percent
of
our
land
within
the
central
business
district
is
within
the
right-of-way,
is
public
space.
So
it's
a
significant
amount
of
space
that
we're
working
with.
P
So
this
group
is
fairly
new,
so
we're
still
getting
our
feet
on
the
ground
but,
like
I
said
most
things
we're
looking
at
is
through
a
design
lens
and
it's
really
to
look
at
specific
projects,
or
it
may
be
looking
at
policies
that
affect
the
the
public
realm.
P
P
So
when
we
get
a
large
building,
that's
being
proposed
to
built
being
built
in
our
downtown
to
take
a
a
harder
look
at
the
public
realm,
and
so
what
this
requirement
essentially
is
and
we're
about
to
launch
this
here
real
soon,
it's
not
requiring
any
additional
unified
development
ordinance
standards,
but
it
is
making
the
developer
the
designer
more
adequately
show
those
elements
on
a
plan,
so
it
allows
staff
to
review
those
plans
in
a
finer
detail.
I
can
tell
you
firsthand
from
being
on
both
sides
of
the
design
world
in
the
review.
P
World
tolerances
are
extremely
tight
in
an
urban
setting
your
finished
floor
elevation.
You
have
a
fraction
of
an
inch
to
get
that
right
from
an
ada
accessibility
standpoint,
so
it
it
is
very
challenging
to
design
with
those
strict
constraints.
So
how
can
we
ask
our
designers
and
development
community
to
do
maybe
a
little
better
job?
P
How
can
we
do
a
better
job
as
staff
to
review
those
plans
and
make
sure
what
what
is
actually
being
proposed
that
gets
constructed
as
such,
so
that
that's
one
of
the
first
initiatives
we've
been
working
on
and
we
are
going
to
be
launching
that
pretty
soon
the
other
one
we've
been
looking
at
that
we
just
started
up,
is
the
encroachment
process
for
outdoor
dining
and
so
forth
again
from
beginning,
and
what
are
our
existing
standards
reviewing
nodes?
What
is
good
bad,
the
other
about
them?
P
What
is
the
processes
that
we
have
within
the
city
for
review
enforcement
encouragement?
P
You
know
so
we're
at
the
very
front
to
end
of
that,
and
I
think
that's
where
this
group
and
potentially
the
urban
design
working
group
will
have
a
lot
of
crossover
and
I
think,
would
be
very
helpful
to
one
another
as
a
sounding
board,
to
hear
from
all
of
you
who
are,
you
know
using
our
public
spaces
in
a
variety
of
ways,
and
then
how
can
city
policies,
design
standards
etc?
P
Try
to
do
that
delicate,
balancing
act
of
all
the
uses
in
that
space
and
try
to
create
the
best
downtown
that
we
can
I'll
keep
it
short
if
there's
questions
or
dana,
if
I've
missed
anything,
feel
free
to
add.
E
Yeah,
thank
you
david.
I
know
one
of
I
think
one
of
the
other
outcomes
I
want
to
highlight
from
this
process,
especially
with
relating
to
the
design
standards
on
the
on
the
sidewalk
side
of
things
or
the
public
realm
side
of
things
is
really
about
helping
the
public
have
reasonable
expectations
about
what's
changing
and
how
you
know
our
downtown
is
changing.
You
know
during
the
planning
process.
So
it's
not
just
all
this
surprise
of
what's
happened
here.
M
P
I
I
don't
know
if
we
can
get
into
that
level
of
detail.
Everything,
as
I
said,
is
most
of
our
right
of
ways
are
very
constrained
right
now
and
to
try
to
get
required
sidewalk
with
to
try
to
get
multimodal
facilities,
parking
so
forth,
and
so
on.
I
will
say
I
think
you
know
the
future
of.
We
cannot
obviously
keep
expanding
our
roads,
especially
within
our
downtown,
with
existing
buildings.
There.
It's
it's
not
like
in
suburbs,
where
they
just
build
them
wider
and
wider,
which
really
isn't
a
solution
either.
P
But
so
I
think
we
have
to
start
looking
to
other
modes
to
allow
folks
to
move
about
our
city.
That's
not
in
a
car,
but
you
hear
me
say
a
lot.
It's
it's
striking
that
balance.
How
right
now,
currently
most
of
us
that
come
downtown,
come
in
automobile,
so
it's
gotta
function
as
such,
but
we
also
have
to,
I
think,
start
moving
towards
a
more
of
a
at
least
allow
for
additional
options.
P
So
we
can
slowly
transition
into
a
way
where,
if
you
choose
so
you
would
have
the
ability
to
not
move
about
in
a
car.
E
Yeah
I'll
also
want
to
highlight,
if
you
start
looking
at
so
much
of
our
public
space
downtown
it's
a
lot
of
the
decisions
that
went
into
how
that
space
is
allocated
or
really
legacy
in
our
are
really
begging
to
be
up
up
to
date.
You
know,
there's
the
expectations
of
how
we
use
public
space
is
a
lot
different
now
than
when
a
lot
of
the
decisions
were
made.
That
decided
where
to
put
a
curb
and
how
wide
to
make
a
road
and
things
like
that.
E
So
it's
we
have
there's
actually
a
tremendous
amount
of
very
poorly
allocated
space,
downtown
that
we
can
that,
and
this
process
will
hopefully
help
help
us
make
decisions.
That'll
allocate
that
to
more
people's
benefit.
A
I'll
just
jump
in
real
quick
because
it
looks
like
there's
some
more
interest
in
this
topic
and
I
think
that's
fine.
We
can
take
a
few
minutes
to
talk
about
this.
One
definitely
wanted
to
make
you
all
aware
that
this
project
is
happening.
It's
it's
one
of
the
things
we're
working
on
that
impact
public
space.
We
also
do
have
jessica
morris,
our
assistant
transportation,
director
here
on
the
call.
Hopefully
you
know
we've
done
a
couple
walking
tours
and
we've
also.
A
We
had
virtual
engagement
meetings
to
talk
more
about
that
project,
but
but
yeah.
I
think
a
few,
some
just
a
very
brief
discussion.
If
there's
a
couple
more
comments
on
this
is,
is
totally
appropriate.
Guillo.
G
I
just
kind
of
piggyback
on
this:
it's
been
a
while,
since
we've
talked
about
traffic
study
and
circulation
studies.
Downtown
can.
Can
you
give
us
a
brief
update
of
where
we
are?
You
know
street
closures
one-way
streets.
That
kind
of
thing.
Where
are
we
in
that
process?
It's
been
a
while,
since
I've
heard
anything
about
that.
E
A
That
does
sound
like
a
big
question.
I'll
say
that
street
and
sidewalk
closures
is
one
of
those
14
issues
that
had
previously
been
prioritized.
That
may
end
up
being
one
of
the
top
three
that
this
group
ends
up
prioritizing
that
helps
us
know
as
city
staff
like
we've
got
to
really,
you
know,
clarify
and
make
some
improvements
and
better
understand.
What's
going
on
so
yes,
absolutely
something
we
can
talk
about
in
a
later.
E
Meeting
yeah,
if
you
can,
if
you
can
resource
us
with
with
anything
that
that
exists
on
your
side
of
it,
I
think
that
would
be
great
instead
of
jumping
into
the
weeds
right
now.
Are
you
good
with
that?
Gio.
G
I
just
I
just
I
hadn't
heard
you
know
we're
talking
about
all
these
other
things,
but
but
really
it's
been
a
while,
since
we've
really
talked
about
you
know
how
our
circulation
patterns
are
going,
so
I
would
like
to
share
where
we
are
with
that,
as
we
continue
talking
about
shared
streets
and
all
these
other
things,
because
obviously
it's
all
interrelated.
E
Absolutely
thanks
and
maggie:
you
had
your
hand
up.
D
I
think
I'm
going
to
get
us
in
the
weeds,
but
I'm
going
to
try
and
say,
like
one
sentence,
what
I
think
school
about
bike
lanes
is-
and
this
is
as
a
cyclist
sidewalks
are
super
duper
expensive
and
to
really
get
big
sidewalks.
We
might
need
to
like
push
into
private
property,
which
gets
super
duper
complicated,
and
we
see
that
when
there's
bike
infrastructure
that
sometimes
pedestrians
when
needed,
also
share
that
space,
which
a
transportation
planner
would
probably
kill
me
for
saying
out
loud.
I
think
there's
like
a
practicality,
that's
interesting.
D
So
thank
you
for
letting
me
get
that
comment
out.
I
know
we're
gonna
dig
in
it
deeper,
but-
and
I
think
it
was
john
who
brought
this
up
like
I'd,
love
to
email
or
slack
and
like
hear,
what's
on
your
mind
about
this,
because
it
does
seem
like
it's
a
pretty
relevant
conversation
having
just
done
the
tours
over
the
last
weekend
so
anyway,
thank
you
for
letting
me
say
that.
A
Thanks,
john,
I
don't
know
if
you
can
hear
us,
but
particularly
for
businesses
like
yours
that
are
on
this
route.
We
want
to
better
make
sure
we're
understanding
your
operational
needs
I'll.
I
can
follow
up
with
you
to
make
sure
that
we're
connecting
okay,
great,
thank
you
so
from
here
yeah.
I
wanted
to
make
you
all
aware
of
that
work,
and
I
also
want
to
just
highlight
a
couple.
Other
things:
big,
exciting
things.
Stop
is
working
on.
One
is
working
on
a
plan
for
improvements
to
pac
square
plaza
and
I'm
gonna.
Q
Yeah
hi
everybody.
I
am
carly
stevenson,
as
dana
mentioned.
I
am
an
urban
design
designer
working
with
dana
david
and
steph
in
the
urban
design
and
play
strategies
group
within
the
planning
department,
and
I've
been
here
for
almost
three
months,
so
pretty
new
learning,
all
the
things
and
meeting
all
the
people.
Q
I
came
here
from
raleigh's
urban
design
center,
where
I
worked
for
around
four
years,
which
the
urban
design
center
was
also
nestled
within
the
planning
department.
So
have
some
municipal
planning
and
design
experience.
I
got
my
master
of
landscape
architecture
at
nc
state
university
and
my
undergraduate
is
actually
in
journalism
and
mass
communication
from
unc
chapel
hill.
So
I
have
a
lot
of
experience.
Q
I
think
that
has
brought
me
to
this
position
working
with
all
of
you
all
at
the
city
of
asheville,
and
I'm
really
excited
to
be
here
so
diving
in
quickly
an
overview
of
the
pack
square
improvements
project.
The
city
of
asheville,
in
partnership
with
buncombe
county,
put
out
a
request
for
proposals
looking
for
qualified
candidate
candidates
to
manage
a
collaborative
community
engagement
and
planning
process
for
pac
square
plaza.
Q
So
this
project
manager
they
really
want
to
dive
in
and
examine
the
past
present
and
future
of
pac
square,
with
special
attention
paid
to
the
former
advanced
monument
site
and
part
of
the
deliverables
for
this
manager
will
be
a
public
engagement
plan
and
then
also
producing
a
document
that
will
use
narratives
and
illustrations
to
really
celebrate
and
memorialize
pac
square
and
where
it
was
where
it
is
currently
and
and
where
we
hope
it.
Q
It
will
go
so
request
for
proposals
went
out
in
february
and
that
proposal
process
is
closed
and
we
have
two
proposals
that
met
the
project.
Prerequisites
and
interviews
are
going
to
be
happening
over
the
next
couple
weeks
for
that
and
we're
hopeful
that
the
project
will
kick
off
in
may
and
anticipating
that
that
process
will
last
six
to
nine
months
and
then,
in
tandem
with
this,
I
am
also
working
on
a
pack
square,
temporary
public
art
program.
Q
So
as
part
of
the
engagement
effort
for
this
revisioning
process,
we
will
be
releasing
a
call
for
artists
to
produce
and
install
10
temporary
art
projects
or
experiences
in
pack
square
plaza
that
respond
to
the
theme
of
social
equity
and
inclusion
and
answer
a
couple
questions,
namely
what
pac
square
plaza
should
look
and
feel
like
in
the
future.
And
what
stories
haven't
been
told
up
to
this
point
and
really
relying
on
our
artists
to
help
engage
the
community
and
start
those
conversations
and
get
some
really
good
feedback.
Q
As
we
go
through
this
revisioning
process
for
the
for
the
larger
plaza,
we
are
looking
at
stipends
for
the
artists,
ranging
from
500
to
1500
and
we're
asking
for
all
types
of
artwork.
So
it
will
be
traditional
non-traditional
experiences
and
performances,
and
so
that
is
still
under
development
and
underway
and
we'll.
Hopefully,
hopefully,
that
call
will
go
out
around
the
time
that
the
pack
square,
plaza
revisioning
process
begins.
B
Okay,
I
want
to
make
this
up
carly
very
nice,
to
hear
your
input.
B
We've
never
met
or-
and
I've
not
have
a
lot
of
data
on
what's
going
on
just
a
kind
of
scuttlebutt
of
what's
going
on
with
pax
square,
we
as
buskers
I
mean
particularly
cpac
square-
is
a
huge
opportunity
for
us
that
we've
had
for
years,
but
now,
with
the
changing
of
pack
square,
we'd,
really
like
to
be
more
involved
in
that
I
see
pac
square
as
being
an
oasis
for
us
buskers
with
the
removal
of
the
statue
and
what
could
be
done
there
and
trying
to
work
with
our
very
traditional,
and
you
know,
public
speaking
area
of
free
speech
and
some
problems
that
we're
having
with
that
corner
as
buskers
at
that
tip
of
pack
square
at
the
beginning
of
the
park.
B
B
As
far
as
lighting
an
area
better,
I
love
the
traditional
lighting
that
we
have
there
of
those
old
posts,
but
we
need
to
attract
more
people
into
that
area
to
get
buskers
in.
We
have
enough
space
there
to
to
really
do
a
bunch
of
buskers
and
the
jugglers
have
been
very
well
representing
there
in
the
park
lately,
and
the
idea
of
the
public
art
program
is
great.
B
I
look
at
some
of
the
models
of
a
fella
here
that
had
some
work
in
new
orleans
with
the
parks
and
the
jackson
square
scene
and
nola
with
the
public
art,
and
if
we
could
attract
more
artists
there
like
to
show
art
to
maybe
vend
art
some
street
artists,
like
portraitures,
you
know
make
it
really
attractive
for
people
to
see.
What's
going
on
down
that
square,
it
seems
like
at
night
say
from
the
park
to
like
beginning
of
the
park
to
say
the
chocolate
lounge
that's
area
is
starting
to
be
utilized
more.
B
We
have
a
great
opportunity
to
be
able
to
have
good
buskers
come
in
as
buskers
we're
losing
a
lot
of
space,
so
maybe
you're
seeing
a
lot
more
solo
buskers.
Instead
of
the
old
big
bands
that
used
to
come
here
and
really
entertain
and
really
get
a
large
group,
those
large
bands
aren't
coming
here
anymore
because
we're
losing
space.
They
are
our
a-teams
as
far
as
the
class
of
busker
that
we
can
get
and
and
keep
getting.
B
We
have
an
opportunity
at
pac
square
to
build
that
area
up.
I
hope
that
I
could
be
a
part
of
some
of
those
discussions
about
some
of
my
ideas
about
maybe
a
first
friday
where
we
could
have
some
vending
going
on,
maybe
without
a
permit
to
get
some
of
these.
B
You
know,
vendors
that
we
see
on
the
side
of
the
street,
the
blankets,
you
know
the
kids
selling
things,
and
maybe
we
could
give
them
an
opportunity,
maybe
once
a
month
to
be
able
to
to
kind
of
be
in
that
park
and
and
create
a
scene
that
people
would
be
pulled
into
that
area.
So
that's
just
my
two
cents,
but
I
appreciate
that.
Q
Yeah,
that's
all
great
feedback.
Thank
you
for
for
that,
and
I
hope
that
you
will
be
involved
in
the
revisioning
process
as
we
get
this
underway.
E
Lyle,
lyle,
there
will
be
you
know,
as
that
temporary
public
art
in
pac
square
program
gets
rolled
out
there.
There
will
be
what
10
opportunities,
so
you
know
lyle,
think
about
assembling
some
buskers
to
you
know
to
to
make
an
application
for
one
of
those
opportunities.
B
I'll
I'll
put
my
two
cents
in
real
quick
now
this
doesn't
have
to
be
a
long
discussion.
Maybe
it's,
for
you
know
another
venue
or
another
meeting
is
that
the
problem
that
we're
having
at
pac
square
right
now
is
some
of
the
freedom
sp
freedom
of
speech,
folks
that
are
coming
out
and
and
it's
running
into
a
multi-dimensional
problem
of
noise
ordinance
and
then
people.
B
We
we've
lost
pack
square
a
lot
of
our
days
and
early
evenings
to
our
some
of
our
first
about
some
of
our
public
speaking
folks.
B
I
I
won't
say
who
it
is
yet,
but
we
need
to
have
some
kind
of
discussion
about
what's
happening
at
pac
square
as
far
as
we're
losing
three
or
four
busking
spots
because
of
volume
of
some
of
our
public
speaker
folks,
and
we
need
to
have
that
change
or
we're
going
to
lose
busking
in
that
area.
B
Buskers,
create
a
a
sense
of
art
and
culture,
and
pack
square
has
very
been,
has
always
been
important
to
us
say
at
the
noodle
lounge
in
front
of
past
seams
and
passana,
and
we
have
to
have
a
discussion
about
what's
going
on
there
and
how
we
can
change
things
and
what
we
can
do
to
cooperate
with
our
buskers
about
volume
volume
problems
from
pack
square.
B
B
We
see
that
that
we've
got
that
space
back
in
front
of
persona
and
the
noodle
shop.
We
have
that
space
back,
they've
pushed
it
back.
Now
I
don't
know
if
that's
temporary
or
that's
going
to
come
back
volume
levels
from
buskers,
because
we're
too
close,
maybe
to
the
seating
areas,
is
direct
result
of
us.
B
B
I've
tried
to
have
dialogue
with
some
of
the
folks
in
question
and
I've
just
been
shut
down
at
every
every
turn.
I've
worked
very
closely
with
granny
at
the
sound
ordinance
about
the
complaints
that
that
she
has
gotten
and
I'm
distributing
her
card
out
to
most
of
the
restaurants
and
most
of
the
folks
that
are
complaining
to
us
as
buskers.
I
get
a
lot
of
complaints,
I'm
kind
of
the
guy
on
the
ground
there.
So
what
complaints
come
through?
B
I
kind
of
hear
them
first
and
need
to
address
these
issues
quickly
or
by
this
by
summer,
comes
in
and
we
have
an
opportunity
to
have
busking
back
at
pac
square
and
let's
keep
that
that's
an
art
and
culture
like
it's
got
to
be
just
a
mandatory
thing
for
us
in
nashville.
You
know
to
keep
this
the
spirit
going
of
what
we're
doing
and
we're
losing
spaces
and
pack
square
could
be
a
very
good
thing.
B
E
A
E
It
is
like
it
is
freedom
of
speech,
it's
not
freedom
of
volume,
and
so
we
have
to
you
know.
That's,
I
think,
from
a
city's
perspective
you
know
getting
folks
to
be
able
to
cooperate
on
volume
is,
does
not
mean
that
we're
stopping
free
speech
by
any
means
it
actually
can
increase
the
amount
of
free
speech.
So
thanks
for
paying
attention
to
that
wow
I
do
want
to
move
along,
because
I
know
I've
got
to
go
to
work
downtown
pretty.
B
A
We'll
keep
moving.
I
do
think
that's
a
good
example
of
some
of
these
conflicts.
We
deal
with
in
public
space.
One
of
the
programs
we
could
have
highlighted
is
this
new
noise
ordnance
that
we
have
in
effect
and,
of
course,
it's
a
balance
if
you're
limiting
sound
for
a
certain
user
group,
you're
going
to
be
limiting
it
for
other
user
groups,
but
luckily
we
do
have
staff,
that's
dedicated
to
this
and
lyle.
I
know
you've
been
working
closely
with
them,
so
it's
definitely
one.
You
know
to
continue
to
monitor
and
to
continually
improve.
A
The
other
couple
things
I
heard
you
say
related
were
related
to
lighting
and
related
to
merchandise,
sales,
and
those
are
two
things
that
also
one
of
the
those
are
on
the
list
of
14
previous
issues
that
had
been
prioritized
so
we'll
we'll
see
where
we
can
go
and
what
rises
to
the
top
peter
did
you
want
to
make
a
quick
comment.
N
Well,
no,
it
was
more
about
the
noise
from
the
so-called
protesting
spot
in
front
of
the
old
former
vance
monument.
You
know,
there's
rules
and
regulations
unwritten.
N
That
the
buskers
follow,
I
know
the
some
of
the
groups
that
go
to
the
former
vance
monument.
N
Don't
follow
any
rules,
and
you
know
I
think
you
know
including
noise,
but
I
also
don't
think
freedom
of
speech
is
someone
setting
up
speakers
and
a
microphone
and
just
singing
but
they're.
You
know
they're
claiming
that
as
freedom
of
speech
and
they
just
go
on
all
day
and
they
are
fair
weather,
so
they
will
be
back.
N
I
have
seen
them
a
couple
of
times
so
far
so
when
the
weather
gets
better,
it's
going
to
be
it's
going
to
be
a
larger
fight,
so
yeah
it'll
be
good
to
to
find
a
different
form
to
discuss
that
a
little
bit
further.
A
Door,
great
we'll
keep
moving
we're
just
going
to
revisit
we're
going
to
visit
some
of
these
temporary
outdoor
expansion
programs
that
the
city
worked
on
during
covet
and
some
quick
status
updates
and
then
we're
just
moving
into
planning
for
our
next
meetings.
So
I'm
going
to
pull
back
up
my
screen.
A
With
this,
with
this
group
of
stakeholders
and
looking
at
in
person
when
we
meet
next
week,
so
avl
sharespace
this
program,
we
launched
early
during
covid
to
allow
businesses
and
organizations
to
temporary
utilize
outdoor
spaces,
most
specifically
streets
and
sidewalks,
to
be
able
to
operate
more
safely
and
to
enable
safer
customer
access
during
covid,
and
I'm
just
I'm
going
to
be
real
quick.
I
know
some
of
you
have
kind
of
are
very
familiar
and
have
I've
seen
us
go
through
this
a
few
times,
but
a
few
of
the
elements
to
highlight.
A
We
made
it
real,
easy
and
real
quick
for
businesses,
including
restaurants,
to
be
able
to
utilize
additional
sidewalk
spaces.
We
we
continued
to
follow
our
current
standards,
which
is
one
reason
that
we're
we're
taking
another
look
at
these
standards.
We
just
kind
of
expedited
the
process
to
do
so
during
covid.
A
A
So
I
definitely
want
to
acknowledge
that
at
the
same
time,
there's
been
a
bunch
of
lessons
learned
and
a
bunch
of
challenges.
We
learned
that,
even
though
we
opened
this
program
up
to
storefront
businesses
downtown,
it
primarily
has
been
utilized
by
restaurants.
I
think
it
just
made
the
most
sense
and
how
they
operate
their
businesses
to
be
able
to
take
advantage
of
this.
A
A
We
know
that
that
a
lot
of
areas
that
are
used
for
for
seating
and
that
were
used
as
part
of
these
expansion
programs
they're
empty
during
off
hours.
So
it's
definitely
an
observation
and
a
consideration.
As
we
move
forward
balancing
the
needs
of
various
user
groups,
lyle,
it's
felt
like
like
space,
has
been
lost,
there's
there's
space
lost
and
there's
space
gain.
So
you
know,
balancing
the
needs
of
these
user
groups
is
really
important,
particularly
as
we
look
at
longer
term
programs.
A
You
know
covid
was
a
unique
situation
and
we
acted
quickly,
but
that's
why
we're
working
together
to
get
this
right
as
we
move
forward
ada
access
was.
It
was
a
challenge
with
parklets,
especially
so
we
worked
very
hard
for
each
individual
location
to
ensure
that
there
was
access,
but
it
continues
to
be
a
bit
of
a
challenge
when
we
look
at
these
kind
of
unique
configurations
and
use
of
street
space
management
and
enforcement.
Oh
my
gosh.
A
I
know
it's
not
fun
to
hear
about
this,
but
like
we
don't
have
staff
to
to
keep
an
eye
on
on
how
things
are
actually
going
on
site.
You
know
it
takes
a
lot
of
staff
time
to
review
all
this
stuff,
and
so
so,
particularly
as
we
move
forward,
we
want
to
ensure
that
we're
able
to
to
to
manage
these
programs
in
the
way
that
will
help
them
be
successful.
A
Our
existing
sidewalks
are
narrow
it's.
What
sixty
percent
of
our
downtown
sidewalks
are
eight
feet
or
less
so
so,
yes,
we
have
the
street.
You
know,
as
as
part
of
this
space
to
work
with,
but
the
sidewalks
themselves
and
the
existing
programs
that
we
have
for
utilizing.
Sidewalks
I
mean
it's,
it's
real
tight
and
so
it's
tough
to
be
able
to
to
balance
these
needs
lots
of
parking
revenue
right
when
we're
taking
on
street
parking.
That
is
a
consideration
to
be
aware
of,
as
well
as
lots
of
parking
spaces.
A
We
did
learn
in
our
public
space
management
survey
that
off
street
parking,
so
parking
in
garages
was
a
higher
priority
for
folks
than
on
street
parking.
So
that's
interesting
because
I
think
during
covid
there's
been
even
more.
You
know.
Businesses
obviously
want
their
customers
to
be
able
to
find
parking,
but
I
think
there's
been
even
more
of
a
move
towards
from
the
business
community
towards
towards
having
acknowledging
that
this
is
valuable
space
and
that
there's
other
ways
that
these
on-street
spaces
can
be
used.
A
Not
all
businesses
have
been
in
suitable
locations
to
take
advantage
of
these
programs,
and
you
know
we
kind
of
we
opened
it
up
and
we
offered
it
there's
there's
got
to
be
kind
of
a
more
fair
and
equitable
way
to
administer
programs
like
this.
So
it's
a
consideration.
A
You
know,
maybe
during
certain
times
that
does
pose
particular
challenges
when
it
comes
to
delivery
needs
and
emergency
access
needs,
so
just
adding
that
to
the
challenges
list
as
we
move
forward
and
just
quick
updates
on
status.
So
a
lot
of
these
programs
you'll
see
downtown
as
we
use
streets
and
sidewalks
differently.
A
We
also
allowed
businesses
on
on
other
commercial
corridors
to
use
their
private
parking
lots
more
flexibly,
we're
working
one-on-one
with
those
businesses
to
to
see
if
we
can
find
a
path
to
permanency,
there's,
there's
potentially
some
conflicts
with
zoning,
but
hopefully,
on
a
case-by-case
basis.
We
can
support
the
continuation
of
that
opportunity.
A
So
we're
going
to
be
talking
a
lot
about
this
and
when
we
meet
on
site
next
month,
I
think
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
some
some
important
and
tough
questions
together,
and
we
really
look
forward
to
those
discussions
and
getting
your
feedback,
but
we're
we're
looking
at
standards
we're
looking
at
what
we've
allowed
in
the
past,
we're
looking
at
what
should
be
charged
for
certain
things,
we're
looking
at
how
to
make
these
spaces
publicly
accessible
during
off
hours
and
what
those
implications
are,
how
how
would
a
business
you
know
end
up
storing
its
materials
if
we
ask
that
some
things
are
removed
during
off
hours,
so
so
we
really
kind
of
look
forward
to
getting
more
in
the
weeds
with
you
on
some
of
that
parklets
and
streeteries,
so
we're
allowing
what's
in
place
now
to
continue,
and
we
really
we
we're
making
incremental.
A
A
Moving
forward,
so
we
have
some
funding
requests
and
through
the
arpa
process
through
the
city's
budget
process,
but
I
know
the
conversations
we're
having
with
this
group
and
the
conversations
we'll
have
about
sidewalks
are
going
to
help
us
be
able
to
advance
at
least
a
framework
as
we
take
step
towards
longer
term
park,
literacy
programs
and
shared
streets.
This
is
one
that
we
want
to
keep
working
with
you
all
to
understand.
A
What
that
looks
like
to
you
is
that
you
know
space
for
yoga
and
aerobics
is
that
space
for
vendors
is
that
outside
vendors
is
that
vendors
on
the
street
is
that
is
that
just
a
pedestrian,
only
space
that
doesn't
have
you
know
intentional
programming
so
that
we
know
with
any
continually
continuation
or
long-term
program
like
that.
There's
got
to
be.
A
You
know,
public
private
participation
and
so
definitely
looking
forward
to
continuing
those
conversations
with
you
all
not
looking
at
this
moment
to
launch
anything
big
or
new,
because
again
we're
just
not
there
in
terms
of
resources,
but
just
want
you
know
to
let
you
know
how
we're
how
we're
looking
at
that
moving
forward.
O
A
N
Sorry,
I'm
just
chiming
in
whenever
I
think
I'm
comfortable
talking
now
so
the
parklets
yeah,
I
think,
they're
great.
I
think.
N
But,
and
I
think
they've
have
helped
restaurants
and
I'm
glad
at
least
some
businesses
have
been
able
to
utilize
them.
I'm
just
thoroughly
terrified
of
the
what
if
someone
driving
has
like
a
medical
episode
that
they
lose
control
of
the
car
and
and
what
happens
with
the
parklet,
because
it's
not
really
constructed
that
safely.
So
that's
that,
and
is
there
any
discussion
on
the
the
10
minute
park,
loading
zones
or
or
run
in
and
pick
up
something
and
leave
right
away.
Good.
A
We
are
looking
at
kind
of
tbd
on
if
that's
something
that
stays
long
term
or
not
in
the
short
term,
we
are
welcoming
feedback
on
if
some
of
those
should
be
removed
like
I
think
we
would
love
to
be
able
to
scale
that
back
a
little
bit
in
areas
where
I
know
we
put
two
in
some
locations,
maybe
only
one
is
needed,
or
if
they're
really
not
getting
used
and
they're
only
getting
abused.
A
You
know
prioritized
that
that
on
the
ground
work
at
this
moment,
but
we
do
have
an
email
address
and
I
can
follow
up
with
you
where
you
can
let
parking
services
know
if
that's
something
you
know
if
there's
particularly
if
we
feel
like
one
or
two
of
those
can
be
removed,
we
would
love
that
input
and
we
can
start
kind
of
taking
steps
in
that
direction.
E
And
peter
I
hear
you
what
you
say
about
the
parklets
and
you
know
considering
the
safety
issues
of
you
know
like
a
a
runaway
vehicle,
the
one
one
of
the
ways
that
I
think
about
this
is
does
it
does
adding
something
increase
risk
where
it
didn't
occur
before,
because
we
already
have
you
know
that
as
a
terrible
situation
like
that
would
already
be
terrible.
E
You
know
to
people
that
are
just
on
the
sidewalk
and
if
we're
relying
on
parked
cars
to
protect
pedestrians
on
the
sidewalk,
that's
only
going
to
help
at
certain
times.
You
know,
and
it's
not
a
reliable.
It's
not
a
reliable
method
to
use.
You
know
on
street
parking
to
protect
pedestrians,
necessarily
because
the
people
may
choose
the
park
there
may
not,
or
the
street
might
be
closed
for
a
special
event.
You
know
we.
We
sacrifice
this
all
the
time.
E
So
I,
when
I
think
about
the
safety
issues,
I
think,
is
it
ink.
Is
it
changing
the
safety
level?
You
know
in
the
in
the
face
of
tragedy,
I
think
I
think
parklets
probably
represent
similar
similar
danger
as
walking
down
the
street,
which
we
already
accept.
All
the
time,
so
I
I
hope
that
that
we
can
get
to
a
place
that
where
we
can
recognize
the
safety
issues
but
also
have
the
nice
things.
A
Totally
yeah,
it's
also
important
just
to
point
out.
Like
I
mean
we,
you
know
we
work
with
traffic
engineering,
we
work
with
building
safety
and
all
of
that
when
we
rolled
out
this
temporary
program.
But
as
we
look
at
a
long-term
program,
we
obviously
safety
is
the
top
priority
and-
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
things
are
getting
built
to
appropriate
standards
and
that
we're
taking
all
of
that
into
consideration,
and
we
do
see
you
know,
a
lot
of
other
cities
are
rolling
these
out.
A
N
Yeah
and
the
reason
I
said
that
is,
you
know,
I'm
going
to
admit
something
that
you
guys
all
might
hate.
I
lived
in
la
for
a
while
and
there
the
santa
monica
farmers
markets,
like
one
of
the
best
in
the
country
they've
been
there
for
years
and
years
and
years
and
they
had
cones
at
you
know
it
took
up
a
few
blocks
of
santa
monica.
N
They
had
cones,
which
they've
had
forever,
but
an
elderly
person
had
a
stroke
or
a
heart
attack
and
just
ran
through
the
street
of
the
market
killed
a
bunch
of
people
and
you
know,
hurt
a
bunch
of
people
and
you
know
ever
since
they
put
trucks
at
the
end.
So
no
one
could
drive
through
there
and
it's
it's
not
because
it's
you
know
someone's
being
vicious
or
but
it
could
be
yeah.
I
don't
know
I
don't.
N
I
think,
that's
you
know
it's
a
much
longer
discussion,
but
I
think
a
parklet
of
a
restaurant
setting
up
a
spot-
and
I
know
mike,
has
one
and
he
has
a
beautiful
one
and
it's
like
it's
really
built
out,
and
it's
it's
quite
great
but
like.
If
I
sat
down
and
ate
there,
I
would
think
I
would
be
safe,
even
though
I
am
in
the
street.
N
You
know,
sidewalks
are
all
over
the
world
and
you
know
I'm
always
watching
out
walking
on
the
sidewalk,
but
I
don't
think
I'd
be
doing
that
if
I
was
eating
at
a
restaurant-
and
I
don't
know
if
I
you
know,
if
someone
did
get
hurt,
is
my
insurance
go
to
court
and
say
what
you
just
said
andrew
and
say
hey:
they
took
the
rest,
they
ate
there.
They
knew
what
they
were
getting
into.
How
would
that
look
for
the
restaurant.
A
C
A
Special
events
we
are,
I
mean
we
take
it
very
seriously
in
terms
of
blocking
access
for
vehicles
to
drive
through,
and
so
absolutely
I
mean
we.
We
have
safety
standards
for
anything,
that's
happening
where
vehicles
are
able
to
access
yeah.
E
So
yeah,
I
think
I
think
you
know
for
all
these
different
things
that
we're
that
we're
talking
about
using
using
downtown
for
in
public
space.
For
I
mean
none
of
them
really
work.
If
people
aren't
safe
or
don't
feel
safe
yeah,
I
know
buskers
aren't
gonna,
make
tips
from
people
that
don't
feel
safe.
You
know
you
have
to
that.
Is.
That
is
a
sort
of
prime
ingredient,
so
you
know,
I
think
that
we're
not
here
to
you
know
to.
I
don't
think
no
one!
Anyone
is
here
to
sacrifice
safety.
It's
a!
E
A
Yeah
we're
coming
up
on
time
here.
I'm
gonna
do
a
doodle
poll
to
see
if
we
can
find
an
april
date.
I
want
to
make
a
couple
hours
for
us
to
get
out.
I
also
the
one
thing
I
didn't
do
here
that
I
wanted
to
I'm
gonna
in
a
follow-up
I'll,
just
direct
you
to
it,
even
though
it's
in
your
agenda
linkedin
your
agenda.
A
A
With
that
does
anyone
any
12
29
any
burning
questions
or
comments.
E
If
there
aren't
none,
I've
got
a
couple
things
to
close
with
great,
so
I
I
think
that
you
know
sort
of
the
bare
minimum
of
what
we
can
get
out
of
working
together
is
learning
from
each
other.
Listening
to
each
other,
maybe
hearing
about
some
opportunities
to
work
together
that
we
didn't
think
of
before
some
common
interests
that
we
didn't
think
of
before
you
know,
maybe
maybe
in
this
meeting
you
you
see
somebody
else
who
has
the
same
piece
of
the
puzzle
as
you
do
the
same
problem
that
you
can
work
together.
E
Maybe
so
you
see
somebody
who
has
the
matching
piece
of
the
puzzle
has
a
solution
for
you
to
work
together,
so
even
outside
of
what
we
can
bring
to
the
city.
As
far
as
our
advice
goes
on
how
to
deal
with
public
space
management,
we're
already
dealing
with
public
space
management
in
our
own
ways,
so
if
we
can
by
working
together
and
you
treating
each
other
as
a
resource,
I
think
that
is
really
that
is
really
what
we
can
get
out
of
it.
E
The
other
thing
that
I
would
charge
you
guys
with
is
that
when
some
of
us
are
thinking
more
of,
like
you
know
like
how
is
public
space
management
working
everywhere,
some
of
us
are
saying:
how
does
public
space
management
working
in
front
of
our
our
front
of
our
business
or
a
single
location?
E
I'd
like
everyone
to
sort
of
switch
hats
from
where
you're
naturally
coming
from,
and
to
think
about
for
folks
like
buskers
to
to
think
about
individually?
What
does
this
individual
business
need
from?
What's
going
on
in
front
of
their
business
and
from
everybody
else
to
think
about?
What
is
what
does
the
bigger
picture
need
for?
What's
going
on
in
the
entire
space
public
space
management
situation
with
the
city,
so
I
I'd
really
like
us
all
to
think
how
can
we
create
more
success
together?
E
How
can
we
better
leverage
the
opportunities
that
our
downtown
presents
us?
How
can
we
bring
more
people
to
share
that
opportunity
than
our
right
now
and
how
can
we
get
them
there
in
new
ways,
and
how
can
we
better
allocate?
You
know
old
resources
like
pavement
and
things
that
weren't
really
thought
out
for
how
we're
using
them
now.
So
those
are
the
sort
of
like
this
is
what
I
kind
of
want
to
charge
you
guys
with
before.
E
Our
next
meeting
is
to
both
think
in
the
little
view
and
the
big
view
about
where
we
want
to
not
just
what
we're
dealing
with
today,
but
where
we
want
to
get
to
and
how
we
can
get
there
together.
So
that's
what
I
do
that
all
the
time
when
I
walk
around
downtown
I'm
constantly
measuring
and
thinking
and
about
about
how
the
public
space
works
and
what's
working
and
what
isn't
and
whether
that's
something
that
we
can
work
together
on
or
that
we
need
to
work
with
the
city
on.
E
So
that
is
that's
kind
of
how
I
want
to
to
set
out
our
marching
orders
until
our
next
meeting,
which
I
hope
to
be
in
person
so
that
we
can
actually
walk
around
together
and
you
know
be
face
to
face
with
our
challenges
and
our
opportunities
downtown.
But
I'd
like
to
thank
everybody
for
coming
and
being
here
and
it's
I've
got
to
go.
I
got
to
go
work
for
the
zoom
now,
so
if
you
see
the
purple
bus
go,
you
know
wave
wave
to
me
but
dana.
E
If
there's,
if
there's
nothing
else
that
you've
got
to
add
to
this
then-
and
I
don't
see
any
hands
up
right
now,
then
I
am
going
to
okay
loud.
B
I
just
want
to
say
thanks
for
including
me
in
this,
and
I
think
it's
a
step
forward
as
far
as
what
our
problems
that
we're
having
buskers
have
always
been
here.
We've
always
you
know
we
have
our
spots.
It
seems
that
what
we're
having
problems
is
that
we're
having
lots
and
lots
of
more
people
coming
in
town,
so
we're
having
lots
more
foot
traffic,
therefore
causing
a
problem
with
buskers.
B
So
we
need
to
develop
that
for
us
and
you
know
to
accommodate
the
amount
of
traffic
that
we're
having
on
the
street
as
the
town's
growing.
We
need
to
figure
this
out.
So
thank
you
so
much
for
having
me
part
of
this
andrew.
E
Awesome,
thank
you.
I
think
one
of
the
really
strong
pete,
I
think,
having
buskers
in
a
meeting
like
this
is
really
strong,
because
buskers
need
so
much
other
success
to
be
happening
for
busking
to
work,
and
so
I
I
think
that
is
really
one
of
the
things
that
buskers
add
in
a
really
unique
and
actual
way
to
conversation
like
this
is
because
we
need
so
much
else
to
be
going
right
before
busking
can
go
right.
E
So
thank
you
for
thank
you
for
being
here
lyle
and
help
organize
people.
So
that's
it
hey
meeting
a
journey,
everybody
have
a
great
friday
enjoy
the
weather,
and
hopefully
we
will
all
see
each
other
in
person.
Look
for
a
doodle
poll
from
dana
about
april,
so
you
guys
have
a
great
day
I'll
see
you
out.
There.