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From YouTube: City Council Meeting, 09-24-13
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Asheville City Council Meeting, September 24, 2013
A
As
you're
doing
that,
I
do
want
to
recognize
the
fact
that
our
city
manager
is
attending
a
conference,
and
so
we
have
our
deputy
city
manager,
assistant
city
manager.
Kathy
ball
is
here,
and
the
deputy
interim
city
manager
is
also
here
mike
morgan.
So
if
we
need
any
information,
we
have
two
people
to
call
upon
and
get
us
started
all
right.
A
B
A
A
A
A
H
H
Father
god,
thank
you
for
this
time
of
being
together.
Thank
you
for
this
beautiful
day
and
beautiful
time
of
year.
I
also
want
to
give
thanks
for
this
wonderful
city
and
the
good
fortune
we
have
of
living
here,
we'd
like
to
ask
that
you
be
with
those
people,
less
fortunate
have
been
affected
by
floods
and
bad
weather
throughout
the
country.
H
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Jan.
We
have
three
proclamations
and
so
I'll
stay
at
the
front.
We
have
october
5th
2013
as
blue
ridge
pride
day
and
I'll,
be
welcoming
ashley
erin
and
drew
walls.
Then
we
have
october
6
through
12
2013
as
fire
prevention
week,
and
we're
going
to
have
division
chief,
barry
hendren,
who
will
receive
that
proclamation
and
lastly,
october
6th
through
13th
as
2013
as
mental
illness
awareness
week
and
dr
jim
pitts
will
receive
that
proclamation
and
we'll
do
it
in
that
order.
A
Now,
therefore,
I
terry
bellamy,
mayor
of
the
city
of
asheville,
do
hereby
proclaim
october
5th
2013,
as
blue
ridge
pride
day
in
the
city
of
asheville,
and
call
upon
citizens
to
mark
this
day
with
appropriate
activities
within
the
spirit
of
fostering
respect
and
understanding
among
all
people.
It
has
the
city
seal
and
my
signature,
making
it
official.
F
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna,
speak
real,
quick
for
myself
and
for
drew
who
had
some
dental
surgeries
earlier
today,
so
you
can't
speak.
The
city
of
asheville
has
always
been
a
great
partner
of
ours
and
and
we're
thrilled
yet
again
to
be
here
to
receive
a
proclamation
city
council
as
well
as
the
mayor
have
been
great
allies
this
year
for
us
and
have
been
available
to
answer
any
questions
we
had.
We
started
back
in
2009
with
2
000
people
showing
up
on
a
cold
rainy
day
and
we're
at
over
11
000.
F
A
Now,
therefore,
I
terry
bellamy,
mayor
of
the
city
of
asheville,
do
hereby
proclaim
october
6
through
12
2013,
as
fire
prevention
week
in
the
city
of
asheville,
and
I
urge
all
citizens
to
check
their
kitchens
for
fire
hazards
and
to
use
safe
cooking
practices
and
to
support
the
many
public
safety
activities
and
efforts
of
the
city
of
nashville
fire
department
during
fire
prevention
week.
2013.
I
A
A
Now,
therefore,
I
teri
bellamy,
mayor
of
the
city
of
asheville
do
hereby
proclaim
october,
the
6-13
2013
as
mental
illness
awareness
week
in
the
city
of
asheville,
and
call
on
all
citizens
to
increase
their
awareness
of
mental
illness
and
to
promote
treatment
and
recovery
for
people
who
are
dealing
with
mental
illness.
It
has
the
city
still
my
signature,
making
it
official
and
it's
a
little
shiny
over
here.
That's
what's
causing
the
paws.
J
Thank
you
so
very
much
for
bringing
the
city's
approval
of
awareness
to
something
that
is
so
common,
not
uncommon,
but
common
in
our
lives
in
our
communities.
No
matter
what
our
politics
is,
my
wife
and
I
will
begin
to
teach
family
to
family,
an
evidence-based
mental
health
program
for
members
of
families
who
have
a
person
experiencing
illness,
we'll
start
doing
that
this
thursday,
two
days
from
now
and
we'll
do
it
thursday
and
saturday
morning
for
six
weeks.
A
We
have
several
items
on
our
consent
agenda
for
consideration.
Any
member
of
our
community
wishing
to
address
counsel
on
any
item
on
our
printed
consent
agenda
can
do
so
at
this
time
items
a
through
j
questions
comments,
seeing
no
one
move
forward,
counsel,
any
questions
or
comments
that
you
may
have
regarding
the
issues
on
our
consent
agenda.
If
not,
is
there
a
motion.
A
Oppose,
like
son
emotion,
carries
next.
We
have
our
public
hearings.
We
only
have
one
this
evening,
but
it
involves
two
items.
The
first
one
is
item
a
under
agricultural
uses.
Number
one
is
the
public
hearing
to
consider
amending
chapter
seven
of
the
ordinances
regarding
agricultural
uses.
Miss
daniels.
Will
you
I
guess
you
will
not
make
both
presentations.
It
would
be
you
and
ms
tuck
if.
E
A
E
E
The
city
has
seen
a
significant
upswing
of
interest
in
this
type
of
activity
in
the
city
in
recent
years,
and
we
have
heard
from
the
food
policy,
council
and
others
who
are
very
interested
in
supporting
this.
The
council
has
expressed
its
support
through
the
food
policy
act.
Excuse
me
the
the
food
policy
and
and
an
action
plan
accompanying
it.
These
recommendations
were
drawn
directly
from
that
action
plan
and
we're
happy
to
present
them
to
you.
E
The
second
change
is
in
the
definitions
section
where
we
have
an
ad
definition
for
agriculture,
but
it
does
not
clearly
differentiate
between
the
governance
for
horticulture,
which
is
in
the
udo
and
the
government
for
animals,
which
is
in
chapter
three.
So
we
wanted
to
avoid
confusion
about
this,
as
we
were,
setting
up
expanded
standards.
E
E
Legally,
yes,
there's!
No,
no!
No,
no
reason
to
stop.
I
mean
we've
never
prevented
it,
that
what
is
being
asked
for
is
for
these
commercial
agricultural
uses
that
they
can
have
structures
on
property
where
there's
no
houses.
So
that's
the
sort
of
change
that
we're
making
so
we've
put
agri
agricultural
agriculture
in
the
table
of
uses
as
a
permitted
use
in
all
the
zones,
a
use
with
special
standards
in
the
residential
zones.
E
The
next
section
of
changes
do
relate
to
those
uses
by
right,
subject
to
special
standards.
First,
it
is
established
there
in
that
section.
The
second
group
of
changes
are
actually
to
an
existing
section
for
accessory
uses
and
accessory
usage,
which
are
defined
in
the
code.
Are
things
like
garages
and
storage
buildings,
and
they
this?
E
We
also
in
that
section,
took
out
another
reference
to
the
bona
fide
agricultural
use.
The
next
section
establishes
the
standards
for
the
agriculture
as
a
ussr
in
the
residential
zones.
These
are
permitted
by
right.
If
staff
determines
they
meet
these
standards,
the
first
would
be
submitting
a
site
operation
plan
and
there's
a
list
of
things
you
have
to
submit
that
are
part
of
that
requirement.
E
The
next
governs
market
stance,
and
this
would
be
retail
sales
of
agricultural
products
on
your
property.
You
are
allowed
to
do
this.
We
do
limit
it
to
weep
weekends,
which
is
primarily
well
primarily
we're
limiting
it,
because
these
are
in
residential
neighborhoods,
and
we
felt
people
might
want
some
kind
of
limit
on
when
cars
could
be
driving
up.
He
could
be
out
front
selling
things.
E
So
that's
the
reason
for
the
weekday
limit.
We
also
establish
a
maximum
of
five
parking
spaces.
It's
a
little
minimum.
I
mean
a
little
unusual.
Often
we'll
have
a
max.
I
mean
a
minimum
parking
requirement.
This
is
a
maximum
parking
requirement,
and
that
is
because,
if
you
go
over
five
spaces,
you
go
into
the
parking
lot
standards
which
can
be
sort
of
expensive
and
we
didn't
want
people
have
to
do
that.
E
E
The
next
section
are
the
standards
on
these
structures,
and
this
was
one
of
the
primary
concerns.
Again
we
have
people
who
have
vacant
land
and
want
to
grow
produce
on
it
and
need
a
structure
to
put
their
equipment
in
currently.
If
you
do
not
have
a
primary
structure,
you
cannot
have
a
secondary
structure,
another
structure,
so
this
will
allow
that
you
would
be
able
to
get
a
fairly
small
structure
like
the
ones
you
get
at
home
depot
and
just
put
it
up.
E
If
you
are
going
to
do
a
larger
structure
and
their
standards
for
size,
you
would
have
to
submit
an
affidavit
that
says
this
is
being
used
and
will
be
used
for
agricultural
purposes.
This
is
to
avoid
the
concern
we
have
a
freestanding
building
sitting
there
with
no
primary
building
around
and
some
of
them
sort
of
morph
into
informal
businesses
and
become
an
enforcement
issue.
We
don't
want
that
to
happen.
E
The
other
change
is
there.
The
sizes
for
the
structures
are
essentially
modeled
on
the
size
limits
for
the
accessory
structures
that
already
exist
with
one
change.
The
planning
commission
felt
it
was
important
to
put
size
limit
on
these
structures
currently
for
accessory
structures
like
the
garages
there's
no
upper
size
limit.
If
you
have
more
than
three
acres,
they
sort
of
felt.
E
That
was
a
concern,
but
that
was
not
really
the
subject
of
this
text
amendment,
so
we
didn't
do
anything
to
address
it,
so
they
did
put
a
size
limit
on
the
agricultural
structures
that
can
be
built.
So
those
are
the
changes
we
have
at
this
time.
There
may
be
other
changes
in
the
future
after
we
look
at
this.
For
a
year
we
see
if
there
are
any
issues
that
have
come
up
or
any
restrictions
that
people
are
farming
find
unnecessary
or
on
how
unhelpful.
E
So
we
do
believe
these
support
the
2025
plan
and
that
they
are,
they
promote
development
that
is
sustainable
and
achieves
economic
and
social
goals.
We
it
definitely.
It
supports
your
food
policy
and
the
specific
recommendations
in
the
action
plan,
and
the
planning
commission
unanimously
supported
this
with
the
modifications
that
were
made.
With
that
caveat
on
saying,
we
should
look
at
it.
In
a
year,
a
member
of
the
food
policy
council
attended
that
planning
commission
meeting
and
did
express
support
for
the
changes.
B
N
E
Just
again
to
clarify
there
is
no
restriction,
never
has
been,
will
not
be
anyone
growing
for
private
use.
This
only
is
people
who
want
to
grow
to
sell
the
restriction
on
the
weekday
only
it
is
up
to
the
council.
We
felt
we
generally
try
to
restrict
commercial
activity
in
residential
districts,
so
we
were
consistent
with
that
in
the
recommendation
here.
E
A
D
I'm
mary
lou
camp
with
the
food
policy
council
and
I
just
wanted
to
bring
up
that.
We
did
feel
pretty
strongly
about
having
the
market
stands
open
during
the
weekdays.
We're
really
trying
to
do
everything
we
can
to
increase
the
food
production
and
to
make
the
food
available
so
didn't
want
to
put
that
in
there
and
then
also.
We
are
really
wanting
to
work
with
this
city
council,
and
so,
if
you'll,
let
us
know
when
issues
come
up.
You
know
as
soon
as
possible.
A
E
The
only
thing
that
we
it's
restricted
to
weekends
are
these
would
be
stands
on
an
individual
property.
There
are
certainly
markets
in
neighborhoods
where
people
can
bring
them
that
are
held
on
weekdays.
Those
are
not
affected.
The
community
markets.
These
are
the
individual
stands
on
individual
properties.
Certainly
there's
potential.
This
would
be
a
very
limited
impact,
but
generally
consistently
in
the
past,
we
we've
tried
to
limit
commercial
activity
on
weekdays
in
residential
neighborhoods,
so
but
markets.
Yes,
there's
no
effect
on
on
the
community
markets.
A
O
Good
evening,
council
folk,
my
name
is
timothy
sadler
and
I
would
just
like
to
advocate,
for
the
seven
day
a
week
opportunity
for
folks
to
get
their
food
out.
There
just
seems
like
if
we're
allowing
the
markets
to
happen
seven
days
a
week,
that
that
would
bring
more
traffic
into
a
neighborhood
than
or
just
one
single
stand
and.
L
Councilman
smith
has
probably
got
more
time
than
the
rest
of
us
put
together.
I
suspect,
into
food
policy
issues
in
general
in
this
particular
matter,
and
I
I'm
curious
jordan.
What
your
take
is
on
the
number
of
days
per
week
and
which
days
I
mean
it
strikes
me
that
neighborhoods
are
actually
quieter
and
perhaps
able
to
see
a
little
more
traffic
on
weekdays
compared
to
weekends.
I
mean
I
think
about
my
own
neighborhood
life,
but
I'd
love
to.
I
know
you've
heard
from
the
public
yourself
and
inquired.
Can
you
comment
on
that?
P
So
I
would
join
the
the
food
policy
councils
in
in
advocating
for
the
seven
day
a
week
with
a
with
the
ability
to
revisit
that
if
it
turns
out
to
have
the
adverse
impact
that
the
planning
staff
and
planning
and
zoning
were
were
cautious
about.
But
when
we're
looking
at
the
nature
of
various
problems,
the
problem
of
hunger
and
food
distribution
in
our
city
outweighs
the
the
things
that
folks
might
be
cautious
about.
Otherwise.
So
I
I
would
be
supportive
of
expanding
the
distribution
to
seven
days
a
week.
L
Can
I
follow
up
with
a
question
for
judy
so,
as
I
think
about
this,
this
particular
aspect:
we've
got
a
person
who
is
producing
some
food
and
might
have
regular
customers
with
the
policy
is
proposed,
preclude,
for
instance,
a
person
who
stops
by
once
a
week
to
get
a
basket
of
vegetables
coming
on
tuesday
or
wednesday
or
thursday.
Or
are
we
talking
about
a
retail
retail
stand
and
a
retail
present
yeah.
E
You
could
you
could
have
in
your
plan
of
operations,
I'm
not
kind
of
like
a
csa,
you
know,
and
and
people
will
come
by
whenever
they
want
to
and
pick
up
their
things.
This
relates
to
a
stand
by
the
road
or
you
know,
somewhat
removed
from
the
road
where
you
pull
up
and
someone
sells
you
things.
This
is
not
come
by
and
pick
up
your
order
or.
L
Well,
I
I'll
just
say
I'm.
I
think
that
in
the
interest
of
the
folks
that
would
be
running
these
operations,
that
financially
it'll
be
challenging
for
them,
and
I
think,
given
opportunity
to
make
a
go
of,
it
would
seem
to
be
a
incentive
as
well.
I
mean
I'll,
let
other
discussion
go
forward,
but
I'd
be
prepared
to
make
a
motion
to
support
it.
With
this
seven
day
a
week
stand
availability.
K
K
R
Nice
mayor
judy
just
to
clarify
the:
are
you
saying
that
currently,
under
our
current
ordinance
you,
you
could
not
put
a
stand
on
your
property
right
now?
Okay,
so
I
think
I
would
agree
that,
since
it's
restricted
to
products
grown
on
the
property,
that
seems
like
a
pretty
finite
practice.
If
you
want
to
sell
what's
grown
on
your
property,
I
mean
I
know
some
people
have
some
pretty
prolific
gardens,
but
but
the
average
person
doesn't
produce
quite
that
much
and
there's
also
a
typo.
A
That
this
process-
or
this
addition
doesn't
follow
the
formal
process
we
go
through.
We
have
another
committee
that
focuses
on
neighborhoods
and
I
think,
going
from
weekend
to
seven
days
a
week
for
a
new
use
in
residential
neighborhoods.
At
least
you
go
through
them
for
just
consideration
of
what
that
will
mean.
A
So
this
is
a
new
use,
that's
coming
to
us
and
while
it
did
go
through
png
and
at
full
policy
council,
it
has
not
gone
through
the
residences,
the
neighborhoods
and
I
think,
if
it's
okay,
I
think
you'll
get
a
rubber
stamp
and
come
back
in
next
month
and
it'll
be
all
right.
But
if
it's
a
pause
for
concern,
or
did
you
already
go
there.
E
A
Asking
for
consideration
accounts
I'm
not
necessarily
sure
only
because
this
is
so
different
from
anything
that
we've
done
and
since
we
do
have
a
group
of
people
who
are
from
all
over
the
city
having
them
look
at
this
understanding
the
issues
that
the
food
policy
council
would
like
to
address
and
maybe
get
advocates
from
this
process.
I
just
think
that
it'll
be
an
opportunity
for
them
to
have
feedback
or
tell
you
some
of
the
concerns
that
they
may
see.
S
S
One
concern
I
do
have
is
that
if
we
do
allow
the
the
stands
in
residential
neighborhoods,
there's
a
perhaps
a
tendency
for
folks
to
put
up
signs
that
are
out
of
compliance,
and
I
I
just
would
really
like
to
ensure
that
we
adhere
to
the
sign
ordinance
as
it
stands
now
and
not
have
this
become
an
excuse
for
proliferation
of
signs
in
residential
neighborhoods,
but
but
I'm
prepared
to
support
an
emotion.
The
motion
talked
about
here
today,
councilman.
L
R
E
A
Several
motions
on
this
and
I'm
going
to
ask
council
to
bifurcate
the
different
votes
to
ensure
that,
because
I'm
not
going
to
support
allowing
the
inclusion
of
stands
because
I
think
we
need
more
community
input
on
that,
because
it's
a
wholesale
change.
But
I
would
like
to
support
the
notion
of
the
changes
to
the
udo
for
the
language
to
be
consistent.
E
L
E
L
K
P
Yes,
I
just
want
to
say
thanks
for
all
y'all's
continuing
support
and
addressing
this
issue
over
time
and
the
recognition
that
we
do
have
to
take
some
pretty
important
steps
here
to
alleviate
hunger
and
improve
our
public
health
outcomes
and
strengthen
our
local
food
systems,
and
thank
you
judy
and
your
staff
for
taking
the
time
that
you've
taken
on
this
to
to
really
work
hard
and
get
it
right.
It's
going
to
make
a
big
difference
in
a
lot
of
people's
lives,
absolutely.
A
T
A
Resolution
authorizing
the
city
manager,
which
should
state
mayor
a
resolution
authorizing
the
mayor
to
enter
into
an
urban
redevelopment
and
loan
agreement
with
mountain
housing
opportunities
in
eagle
market
streets
development
corporation
for
eagle
market
place.
Ms
baugh
will
make
the
presentation.
C
Mayor
vice
mayor
members
of
city
council,
on
august,
the
27th
council
approved
funding
for
additional
funding
for
eagle
marketplace
development,
we're
here
tonight
to
bring
back
to
you,
the
urban
development
redevelopment
and
loan
agreement
and
to
cover
some
of
the
items
kind
of
the
major
items
or
issues
within
that
agreement.
The
action
before
you
tonight
is
the
request
that
council
would
authorize
the
mayor
to
sign
the
resolution
for
this
agreement,
as
well
as
authorizing
the
city
manager,
to
sign
any
other
documents
necessary
to
be
able
to
execute
this
agreement.
C
C
It
is
also
to
define
the
terms
and
conditions
of
the
loan
loan
disbursement,
which
would
allow
us
to
to
proceed
with
debt
financing
over
the
the
period
of
the
project
and
as
well
as
providing
us
with
good
public
policy.
As
you
remember,
there
are
several
different
sources
of
funding
that
is
going
into
this
project.
C
The
the
sources
of
fundings
that
we're
talking
about
about
that
would
be
covered
by
this
agreement
would
be
the
3.867
million
that
council
approved
at
the
august
27th
meeting.
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
clear
that
there
are
other
funds
going
into
the
project
from
various
different
sources,
including
hud
money,
section
108
money,
including
housing,
trust
fund
money.
Those
are
not
governed
as
part
of
this
agreement.
C
Yes,
the
the
amount
that
was
approved
in
may
of
2012
was
1
million
and
the
amount
that
was
approved
on
august,
the
27th
was
2.867
million
in
the
august
27
meeting.
The
resolution
was
combined
to
include
both
of
those
amounts
within
the
same
agreement.
So
that's
the
reason
the
agreement
covers
both
of
those
amounts
is
that
does
that
answer
your
question
mayor,
the
commercial
side?
C
Does
it
none
of
the
money
for
that
is
governed
by
this
agreement
that
that
you
have
before
you
there
is?
There
is
section
108,
hud
money
involved
in
that
project
or
that
portion
of
the
project,
but
that's
not
governed
or
controlled
by
this
agreement,
so
just
to
highlight
some
of
the
the
major
components
of
the
agreement,
the
conditions
in
the
terms
of
the
disbursement.
C
So
I've
highlighted
the
staff
recommendation,
which
would
be,
as
you
see
it.
I
do
want
to
acknowledge
and
apologize.
We
have
worked
diligently
over
the
past
several
weeks.
The
loan,
the
urban
develop
redevelopment
and
loan
agreement
is
27
pages,
and
we
have
worked
with
the
eagle
eagle
market
place
development
corporation
to
to
put
the
agreement
together
and
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
violating
any
terms.
So
I
apologize
that
this
information
was
not
available
to
the
public
until
it
was
posted
today
at
two
o'clock.
A
K
A
A
P
A
comment
it
in
addition
to
the
62
units
of
affordable
housing.
This
is
going
to
provide
right
in
the
center
of
downtown
asheville.
I
just
want
to
underline
again
that
what
we're
doing
here
is
a
transformative
project
in
the
heart
of
downtown.
That
includes
not
only
our
affordable
housing
units
that
are
going
to
come
together,
but
also
extensive
commercial
space.
A
A
G
There
may
be
the
need
in
the
future
depending
upon
whether
or
not
the
terms
of
the
agreement.
The
loan
urban
redevelopment
and
loan
agreement
may
need
to
be
revised
in
the
immediate
near
future,
so
dependent
upon
whether
any
major
and
substantive
changes
will
need
to
be
made
to
that
loan
agreement.
It
may
need
to
come
back
to
council,
okay,.
A
A
You
know
the
eagle
market
street
redevelopment
plan
was
approved
by
city
council
many
many
years
ago,
and
we
said
as
a
council,
then
none
of
us
sitting
here
served
on
that
council.
But
we
said
it
was
a
priority,
but
it
hadn't
been
carried
through
upon
and
I
think
tonight
it
sends
a
huge
message
that
although
slow
progress
does
happen,
and
I
think
that
this
partnership
between
mountain
housing,
opportunity
and
eagle
market
street
is
a
significant
one
in
many
many
ways
and
the
thanks
for
this
project
going
forward.
I'd
like
to
say
to
council.
A
U
I
A
It's
never
easy
to
take
on
a
big
project,
but
they've
done
it
in
the
process
of
working
on
lurch,
mod
and
working
on
the
den
rock,
and
I
think
that's
important
to
point
out.
I
think
that
when
the
next
mayor
and
city
council
actually
do
the
ribbon
cutting
on
this
project,
that
our
community
will
appreciate
what
has
been
accomplished.
P
A
R
Council
we've
got
the
consideration
of
a
motion
to
allow
the
office
of
economic
development
to
initiate
a
request
for
information
to
determine
interest
from
outside
organizations
in
producing
a
signature,
festival,
special
event
or
similarly
unique
outdoor
public
experience
in
asheville
and
sam
powers.
Oh
no,
I
looked
up
and
it
wasn't
so
sorry.
V
You
do
look
a
little
similar
vice
mayor
and
council.
My
name
is
john
film
and
I
am
the
economic
development
specialist,
with
a
focus
on
special
events,
we're
here
to
present
a
proposal
that
would
initiate
a
request
for
information
to
determine
interest
from
outside
organizations
in
producing
a
signature,
festival,
special
event
or
similarly
unique
outdoor
public
experience.
A
V
W
A
Okay,
I
may
only
point
out
a
couple
of
things
council-
and
I
did
express
this
to
mrs
ball
and
to
ms
mclohan-
that
I
feel
like
this
isn't
a
complete
process,
because
what
template
will
staff
use
or
counsel
whoever
a
council
committee
to
judge
to
say,
hey?
This
is
the
right
proposal
or
where
we're
going,
usually
even
with
hdd
grants.
A
A
What's
the
next
step?
What
would
that
entail?
So
I
don't
think
it's
as
fleshed
out
as
it
should
be,
because
if
we're
going
to
decide
the
next
big
thing,
how
is
that
going
to
happen?
And
it's
not
here
yet,
and
so
I
would
ask
for
consideration
of
coming
back
with
a
plan
on
how
we're
going
to
judge,
what's
a
good
thing
that
we're
looking
at
something
that
doesn't
involve
city
investment,
something
that's
in
october,
something
that's
on
a
soft
slope.
R
We
did
talk
about
the
criteria
in
ped
that
would
be
used
to
evaluate
applicants,
and
that
was
it
was,
I
think,
you're
pointing
out
the
struggle
here
in
that
we
were
trying
to
make
it
as
broad
as
possible,
because
there
are
some
pretty
interesting
ideas,
percolating
that
aren't
what
you
would
think
of
as
a
traditional
festival,
but
that
there
needed
to
be
some
demonstrated
measurements
in
terms
of
stimulating
economic
development
being
able
to
sustain
itself
long-term
and
those
sorts
of
things.
And
I'm
butting
in
on
what
you're
about
to
say.
But
absolutely.
V
Certainly,
the
the
request
for
information
is
simply
our
intent
to
gather
interest
from
the
community
and
from
outside
organizations
in
producing
or
operating
a
new
event
in
asheville.
We
don't
intend
to
make
any
decisions
or
make
any
recommendations
based
on
the
information
we
receive
back
other
than
what
ideas
we
feel
will
help
drive
the
development
of
the
resulting
request
for
proposal.
V
The
quest
for
proposal
will
include
evaluation
criteria
and
those
things
could
be
items
such
as
the
scope
of
work,
the
schedule
and
milestones,
regis
references
costs
and
financing
requirements
and
points
assigned
for
those
types.
So
the
rfi
is
almost
a
baby
step
that
allows
us
to
determine
the
interest
in
this
process,
and
perhaps
we
could
find
there's
very
little
interest
in
in
this
through
our
research,
but
it
will
help
us
design
the
request
for
proposal
that
would
ultimately
be
brought
forward
to
council
for
your
consideration.
V
L
The
memo
you
guys,
provided
it
highlights
that
retail
businesses
in
downtown
do
not
want
a
repeat
of
anything
like
bell
sharon.
That's
that's
a
scale
issue.
It's
a
locational
issue,
the
the
we
know
that
the
reliance
on
the
city
for
covering
certain
costs,
including
our
indirect
costs
of
fire
and
police
protection
and
and
and
and
some
traffic
things
and
all
it
has
been
a
critical
concern
of
the
past.
L
So
I
and
I
know
that
some
of
the
folks
that
have
approached
you
guys
are
very
familiar
with
the
city
and
familiar
with
the
history
other
once
the
rfi
goes
out.
Others
may
not
be,
but
my
hope
is
that
it's
it
that
that
staff
is
providing
setting
some
fairly
clear
expectations
to
those
that
might
apply,
because
I'd
be
a
little
concerned
that
the
proposals
that
come
in
sort
of
drag
us
back
towards
the
kind
of
subsidy
and
and
overcrowding
and
the
negatives
that
or
why
belshare
went
away.
L
V
P
Thanks,
I
I'm
recalling,
when
we
were
looking
for
somebody
to
do
public
media
of
some
sort,
and
we
requested
ideas
at
that
time,
and
I
think
that
that
expectation
setting
that
councilman
hunt's
referring
to
is
really
important.
I'm
going
to
read
a
sentence
from
the
staff
report
here.
The
request
for
information
is
neither
a
guarantee
nor
commitment
of
future
action,
so
those
folks
who
are
willing
to
kind
of
approach
the
city
with
ideas
for
some
sort
of
signature
event.
P
Thank
you
for
being
willing
to
do
so,
but
be
aware
that
that
process
could
take
any
number
of
forms
up
here
and
it's
it's
unclear
how
it
proceeds.
So
I
don't
want
to
engender
disappointment
among
folks
who
spend
a
lot
of
time
on
a
proposal,
but
at
that
same
time
you
know,
if
we're
seeking
innovative
ideas,
you
do
that
by
opening
the
process
as
much
as
possible.
So
I'm
going
to
be
supportive
of
of
going
forward
with
the
process,
but
with
a
continuous
focus
on
making
sure
those
expectations
are
measured.
Q
The
first
step
in
the
process.
There
is
this
submittal
of
a
a
statement
of
interest.
We
would
hope
would
be
a
less
difficult
and
costly
proposal
for
for
anyone
to
undertake
and
if
there
are
potential
ideas
that
look
like
they
might
have
merit
or
might
be
innovative
or
help
meet
city
council
priorities
and
economic
development
goals.
Q
The
second
step,
a
more
detailed
proposal,
would
be
a
more
detailed
process
and
that
would
include
a
specific
pro
forma
that
would
be
evaluated
in
terms
of
looking
at
how
the
event
would
be
self-sustaining
and
the
underwriting
process
of
the
city
would
be
clearly
eliminated.
So
that's
part
of
the
the
rationale
for
a
two-step
process
is
to
not
make
it
so
cumbersome
in
the
the
idea
stage,
but
to
make
it
very
detailed
in
the
proposal.
H
H
The
scouts,
in
the
back
of
the
room
remind
me
of
how
my
own
troop
made
pretty
good
income
over
the
history
of
bell's
share,
picking
up
and
cleaning
up
after
it
was
over
there.
A
lot
of
good
things
happened
with
bellshare.
The
highland
sports
car
club
had
a
an
autocross
on
charlotte
street
for
many
years
very
local
event.
That's
where
cars
drive
through
pylons
it.
H
H
H
Scout
troops
made
money.
Churches
made
money.
It
was
a
great
great
event
for
a
great
community,
great
city
and,
quite
frankly,
I'm
going
to
miss
it
and
I'm
not
sure
I
must
have
been
sleeping.
We
had
a
bad
financial
year,
it
was.
We
listened
to
a
few
people
as
a
handful
of
people
said.
This
is
not
good.
H
This
is
taking
precious
space
from
the
front
of
my
building.
This
is
taking
spread
precious
revenue
from
the
city
and
it
was
costing
us.
I
think
we
we,
as
I
recall,
is
maybe
a
forty
thousand
dollar
revenue
generator
for
the
city,
but
on
the
other
hand,
it
generated
a
lot
of
stuff
for
a
lot
of
people.
So
I
would
hope
at
the
end
of
this
process,
which
I
think
is
a
good
process
and
very
supportive
of
it,
that
we
find
something
that
replaces
it
maybe
even
keeps
the
name.
H
I
think
that
that
can
readily
happen
to
belcher
a
name
that
has
had
great
treasure
over
the
years
for
this
city,
and
I
would
hope
that,
at
the
end
of
the
process,
that,
if
we
don't
have
bell
share
exactly
as
it
was,
that
we'll
have
a
great
event
and
if
we
find
that
we
don't
have
a
great
event
through
great
partners
that
we
consider
the
value
of
bell
share,
maybe
on
a
smaller
scale,
even
at
a
different
time,
perhaps
or
whatever.
But
I
don't
want
to
see
it
get
away.
H
I
I
had
a
good
time-
and
maybe
that's
selfish,
but
I
think
a
lot
of
people
did
and
a
lot
of
people
in
this
community
were
crying
some
some
pretty
bitter
tears
into
that
event.
That
final
sunday.
So
I
hope
you
keep
in
mind
that
you
were
out
there
with
a
great
opportunity
to
see
the
quality,
music
quality,
entertainment
and
it
wasn't
just
about
drinking
and
carousing.
A
Okay,
mr
phillman's
requested
a
motion
to
go
forward
and
now
just
say
counsel.
I
won't
be
supporting
a
motion
to
go
forward
with
the
request
for
information.
I've
had
the
opportunity
and
jan
said
in
on
one
meeting,
but
I've
had
the
opportunity
to
meet
with
several
people
and
groups
who
are
interested
in
various
activities,
and
I
feel
like,
if
we're
going
to
do
this,
we
should
do
it
right
and
go
ahead
and
do
our
rfp,
because
I
think
the
interest
is
alive
and
well
we
don't
have
any
parameters.
A
I
also
think
that
some
people's
proposals
or
information
may
skew
the
process
for
the
rfp,
and
one
of
the
concerns
I
heard
from
someone
who's
interested
is,
if
I
submit
my
information
who's
to
say
that
my
information
won't
get
to
someone
else
who
may
be
more
qualified
to
do
what
I
have
in
mind
and
they
have
the
deal.
I
don't
know
about
that,
but
I
just
feel
like.
If
we're
going
to
do
it
and
we
want
to
do
it,
there's
a
lot
of
interest
that
already
exists
and
we
should
do
an
rp.
So
mayor.
R
I
don't
have
an
objection
to
that.
I
think
you
know
cecil
and
I
were
the
only
ones
at
ped.
We
looked
at
this
staff
made
a
suggestion
for
the
process,
and
I've
personally
met
with
a
few
people
that
are
interested
in
this
moving
along
because
they
want
to
put
in
an
application,
but
I
don't
have
an
objection
to
whether
we
do
an
rfi
and
then
an
rfp
or
whether
we
develop
an
rfp
right
off
the
bat.
R
I
don't
see
a
terrible
difference
in
proceeding
either
way
unless
sam,
I
meant
john,
do
you
all
care
all
right,
they're,
they're,
saying
that
that
sounds
fine
to
them?
Would
it
I
would
suggest
we
just
bring
it
back
here.
I
don't
think
it
needs
to
go
through
ped,
since
we
we
aren't
enough
of
us
anyway,
to
to
make
a
decision
on
how
to
proceed
with
this
one.
So
well,
that'd
be
fine
with
me
and.
V
K
Yeah,
to
my
mind
I
mean
this
rfi
is
great,
but
I
almost
don't
quite
see
why
we
need
an
active
council
to
ask
for
inter
task
for
ideas
I
mean,
except
to
make
it
to
put
it
out
there,
that
we
want
ideas
that
we
want
new
ideas,
whereas
an
rfp
is
more.
You
know
a
very
specific
ask
to
me.
To
my
mind,
this
is
just
saying:
hey
community
come
on
come
on
forward
with
ideas,
so
it's
kind
of
a
it's
a
solicitation
participation.
K
It's
not
asking
for
anything
specific.
It's
not
even
asking
for
anything
formal.
It's
asking
for
you
know
what
do
you
see
asheville
doing
in
the
future?
Do
you
want
to
put
like
zip
lines
from
the
top
of
the
city
hall?
While
we
have
scaffolding
up
to
do
it
or
or
do
you
want
to
have
raft
races
down
patton
avenue,
we
could
flood
it.
I
mean
I
don't
you
know
just
come
up
with
something
new
and
different
that
will
highlight
asheville.
That
will
be
an
event
that
brings
people
to
asheville
and
it
will
get
community
participation.
K
I
think
the
thing
the
nub
we
hit
was
not
that
we
had
run
out
of
of
energy
around
belshare
or
even
that
a
few
downtown
merchants
didn't
like
the
fact
that
we
were
interrupting
their
business
at
a
time
when
they
could
otherwise
have
made
a
lot
of
money.
It
was
really
to
my
mind.
It
was
that
we
learned
fairly
abruptly
that,
while
we've
been
told
for
many
years,
I,
as
a
reporter
for
many
years,
heard
that
bell
share
broke.
K
K
We
we
would
still
be
doing
bell
share,
but
the
fact
is,
it
was
costing
you
the
taxpayer
a
lot
of
money
to
do
this
now,
if,
if
you
want
to
pay
a
hundred
bucks
for
a
ticket
to
a
festival,
that's
cool
but
ac
entertainment.
Does
that
all
the
time
and
other
other
festivals
that
wasn't
what
we
were
in
the
business
of
doing?
K
We
thought
we
were,
we
were
doing
a
break
even
event
downtown,
and
that
was
not
the
truth
and
that's
why
I
voted
in
against
continuing
bell
share
and
I
think
I
share
that
with
you
some
council
members
here
it
was.
It
was
the
financial
support.
That
was
the
question.
Not
the
question:
was
it
good
or
bad
for
asheville?
It
was
the
question
of.
K
Was
that
how
we
best
wanted
to
spend
our
funds,
or
did
we
want
greenways,
or
did
we
want
an
improvement
in
the
transit
system?
Did
we
want
to
repave
streets
that
badly
needed
it?
Where
was
that
half
cent
going
to
go,
and
so
anyway,
I
support
the
idea
of
an
rfi
if
we
need
to
jump
forward
to
an
rfp,
I'm
cool
with
that
too.
But
I
think
that
soliciting
the
widest
kind
of
idea
generation
is
what
we're
after
here
and
that's
what
I
would
support.
L
Yes,
question
for
staff
john
or
sam,
the
the
rfp
that
would
ultimately
be
issued
here.
Do
you
think
it
would
be
higher
quality
if
we
go
through
the
rfi
process?
First
or
do
you
think
you
can
go
straight
to
the
rfp
process,
perhaps
with
informal
input
from
groups
that
you
know
to
be
interested
in
and
the
feedback
you've
gotten
here?
L
V
However,
part
of
the
rfi
process
in
in
in
my
assessment
is
that
asheville
is
such
a
diverse
artistic
community
that
has
so
many
different
ideas,
very
unique
things
and
that
I'm
adamant
about
getting
an
event
for
asheville.
If
that's
council's
direction,
that
we
have
a
signature
event
in
making
sure
that
that
is
the
most
unique
and
most
intrinsic
event
to
our
area.
V
That
is
extremely
special
and
I
feel
that
I'm
looking
for
the
most
possible
ideas
to
come
through
from
that
process,
so
that
we
can
properly
design
the
rfp
with
the
specific
criteria
that
we're
looking
for
and
be
able
to
target
some
of
that
criteria
to
ideas
that
have
risen
to
the
top
of
the
process.
But
I
I
am
certainly
willing
to
move
forward
with
an
rfp,
knowing
that
we
do
have
a
good
relationship
with
our
community
and
that
I
have
a
a
fairly
good
idea
of
what
everyone
would
like
to
see
in
general.
For
asheville.
L
A
A
Council,
that's
all
the
premier
agenda,
but
I
did
request
that
the
chief
of
police
come
forward
before
we
take
public
comment
from
the
community
regarding
the
increase
in
break-ins
that
we're
experiencing
in
kennel
worth
and
other
areas
of
the
city
and
bank,
robberies
and
homeless
issues.
We've
just
been
hearing
a
lot
about
crime
in
the
community
and
wanted
to
hear
from
our
ranking
officer
chief
anderson
welcome.
W
Thank
you,
mayor
bellamy,
to
address
the
issue
of
kennel
worth.
We
actually
have
a
community
meeting
scheduled
tomorrow
night.
I
believe
we
sent
out
a
staff
report
with
the
number
of
concerning
burglaries
that
we've
had
in
kennel
work.
I
think
we've
made
a
total
of
10
arrests
of
individuals
that
we
feel
are
responsible
for
the
burglaries.
We
actually
captured
two
doing
a
in
progress
of
burglary
yesterday
and
we
feel
that
several
of
these
individuals
are
involved
in
several
of
the
break-ins
we've
had
in
the
west
and
also
the
north
northern
part
of
asheville.
A
W
I
don't,
I
don't
think
we
have
any
others
planned
right
now,
but
normally
several
of
our
community
groups
have
regular
meetings
and
we
are.
We
attend
those
meetings
so
and
if
any
specific
community
wants
us
to
come
out
with
our
crime
prevention
officer
and
talk
about
different
things
in
our
community,
naturally
we'll
be
happy
to
do
that.
Can.
A
K
I
was
going
to
comment,
thank
you
for
your
comments
and
report
yesterday
at
the
public
safety
committee.
One
of
the
things
I'd
like
to
address
publicly
here
is:
we've
heard
some
concern
from
residents
around
kenilworth
and
elsewhere
that
perhaps
the
shortfall
in
officers
that
we're
experiencing
right
now
we
have
a
we
have.
Some
vacancies
might
have
contributed
somehow
to
the
lack
of
or
to
the
the
continuation
of
those
robberies,
and
it
was
re.
K
K
What's
true
is
that
there
were
apparently
a
couple
or
a
few
people
who
were
breaking
into
multiple
homes
and
while
11
new
robberies
say
in
august,
or
you
know,
larcenies
in
august
is
a
lot
in
a
neighborhood
if
it
was
a
couple
of
people,
it's
very
easily
explained
that
you're
hitting
house
after
house
after
house,
and
hopefully
you've
got
those
people
rounded
up
now.
So
thank
you
for
your
report.
Yesterday.
W
And
the
only
thing
I
would
add
is
you're
absolutely
correct
when
it
comes
to
the
staffing
issues
of
the
police
department.
We
do
have
some
vacancies,
but
each
of
the
district
commanders
are
empowered
to
fill
those
vacancies
as
needed.
Our
number
one
priority
is
to
make
sure
that
we
have
officers
on
the
street
to
protect
our
neighborhoods
and
our
communities,
and
they
understand
that
so
whether
we
use
overtime
or
other
means,
we
make
sure
that
we
have
adequate
personnel
on
the
street.
K
K
What
is
true
is
that
behaviors
have
changed
significantly
over
the
course
of
the
summer
and
there
have
been
a
lot
more
violent
episodes
downtown,
possibly
connected
to
some
of
the
synthetic
drugs
that
seem
to
spur
a
really
aggressive
behavior,
and
that
therefore
there
are
there
are
more
arrests
of
repeat
offenders
and
and
that
that's
the
cause
of
the
apparent
increase
in
in
police
enforcement.
But
it's
simply
trying
to
maintain
civility
downtown
and,
as
councilman
davis
pointed
out,
who's
whose
business
is
right
there
in
in
the
core
of
of
what
can
be
a
problem
area
downtown.
K
The
behaviors
have
changed
quite
a
bit
around
councilman
davis's
store
his
his
tire
operation
and
he's
noticed
it
and
and
he's
happy.
He
expressed
pleasure
that
you're
trying
to
control
that,
and
so
it's
always
a
fine
line.
You
know
we're
trying,
through
our
10-year
plan
and
homelessness,
to
get
people
housed
to
get
people
who
have
mental
health
issues
into
treatment
to
get
them
off
the
street,
and
yet,
when
those
behaviors
become
more
extreme,
the
only
thing
we
can
do
is
to
increase
enforcement.
We
we've
got
to
protect
the
the
people
of
the
city.
W
And
I
couldn't
have
put
it
better
myself
and
the
other
thing
that
we've
done
is:
we've
had
a
couple
of
community
forums.
Community
meetings,
one
was
today
to
try
to
better
inform
the
public
of
some
of
the
challenges
that
we're
facing
in
our
central
business
district
and
the
adjustments
that
law
enforcement
have
had
to
make
to
address
those
those
issues.
K
And
I
I
don't
know
where
we're
going
to
find
city
property
that
would
fit
that.
But
I
would
think
we
ought
to
look
hard
for
it,
because
if
they
have
a
plan
and
they
can
get
grant
money
to
build
the
facility
if
the
city
can
provide
property
for
that,
it's
that
core
group
of
people
who
are
the
repeat-
offenders,
who
are
back
again
and
again
and
again
and
they're
costing
us
a
lot
of
money
and
enforcement
in
jail
time
in
in
officer
time
in
emergency
vehicle
time.
A
I
think
you
all
can
pick
that
up
at
your
council
retreat
next
year,
because
the
budget's
been
set
for
this
fiscal
year,
and
so
that's
something
that
you
all
could
consider
for
next
year,
and
so
maybe
if
you
could
put
that
on
particular
that
might
be
something
to
bring
back
up.
The
last
thing
I
would
say
I
know
october
21st,
there's
a
meeting
with
city
staff
and
downtown
merchants
who
are
concerned
about
the
number
of
people
who
are
walking
around
town,
women
without
shirts
and
so
and
panhandling
and
those.
A
I
don't
know
if
you're
going
to
come
back
with
a
report
on
that
meeting.
But
I
do
think
the
community
wants
to
know
what's
going
on
what
can
be
done.
So
after
that
meeting
on
october
21st
involving
police
and
department
heads,
can
we
get
a
report
back
to
council
because
it's
a
growing
number
of
people
who
are
concerned
about
what's
happening
downtown,
not
just
with
the
arrests
of
individuals
but
the
panhandling
and
the
number
of
people
who
women
who
are
topless
downtown?
A
It's
used
to
be
not
an
issue,
then
it
was
a
one-day
occurrence
and
now
it's
going
to
everyday
occurrence
and
fam,
I'm
hearing
it
from
families
and
they're
just
livid
about
the
number
of
women
who
are
downtown
with
no
shirts
on,
and
so
while
nothing
can
be
done
at
the
state
level.
Maybe
we
should
do
something
differently
here
and
challenge
the
state
to
challenge
us
council.
That's
all
I
have,
but
I
thought
the
chief
of
police
should
come
and
let
the
community
hear
from
him
regarding
what's
happening
on
public
safety
issues.
H
There's
been
a
52
percent
increase
in
crime
in
the
central
business
district
in
the
last
two
or
the
two
prior
months,
and
that's
been
part
of
the
reason
for
the
stepped
up
patrol
and
I'm
not
sure
cecil.
That
pleasure
was
the
right
word
to
use
for
for
my
receptance
of
that,
but
I
think
that
quite
frankly,
a
lot
of
people
are
grateful
that
we
have
enforcement
increased
bad
behavior.
H
Now
that,
on
the
other
side
of
that
issue-
and
I
chair
the
housing
community
development
committee,
that
makes
the
recommendations
that
we
work
off
of
as
a
council
on
on
on
funding
with
cdbg
money
providers,
and
we
have
a
lot
of
good
providers
that
are
doing
a
good
job
of
housing.
First
and
I
feel
as
a
city
we
we
do
a
great
job
of
trying
to
help
people
who
are
chronically
homeless
or
those
who
are
just
temporarily
homeless.
H
I
don't
want
it
to
feel
like
there's
some
sort
of
vendetta.
That's
emerged:
it's
just
that
we
have
a
number
of
people
on
the
streets
more
than
we've
had.
There
are
a
lot
of
people
that
are
called
travelers
that
are
not
our
normal
resident.
That's
living
here,
that's
fallen
into
hard
times,
but
these
are
people
oftentimes
prey
on
the
homeless
and
use
precious
resources.
H
So
I
think
that
when
we
have
have
these
higher
incidents,
we
have
to
step
up
that
and
when
we
get
a
lot
of
email
or
not
a
lot
but
emails
from
visitors
to
the
community
emails
from
merchants
and
constituents,
taxpayers
that
says
that
things
happening
here
are
not
acceptable.
We
can't
reward
bad
behavior.
We
can
work
toward
ending
problems
and
that's
what
I
would
hope
we
would
do.
P
We
earlier
today
had
a
proclamation
around
that
and
and
so
going
forward
here
we
are,
we've
been
working
on
the
10-year
plan
for
a
long
time,
we're
about
to
shift
gears
with
that.
Our
providers
are
working
really
well
together
and
if
we
can
come
together
as
a
community
to
solve
the
problem
of
the
hardest
to
house,
we're
going
to
be
one
of
the
first
communities
in
the
nation
to
do
it.
I'd.
P
I
have
looked
at
a
community
that
set
up
land
to
do
a
camp
for
folks
and
they
did
that
up
in
washington
and
it
didn't
go
well.
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
lessons
to
be
learned
from
that,
and
I'm
certainly
going
to
be
open
to
any
suggestions
going
forward,
but
I
think
that
some
of
the
some
of
the
solutions
are
already
in
front
of
us.
We
need
more
and
better
mental
health
treatment
for
people
who
don't
have
financial
resources.
A
N
N
N
N
I've
witnessed
it
at
pritchard
park
where
someone
would
be
homeless
and
an
officer
would
approach
them
and
essentially
do
what
has
been
described
as
a
stop
and
frisk
which,
as
some
of
you
may
be
aware,
has
been
deemed
unconstitutional
up
in
new
york
city
and
new
york
state.
So
I
would
ask
a
little
bit
of
caution
in
that,
so
we
don't
have
some
sort
of
issue
with
that.
N
They
certainly
could
be
a
great
resource
for
the
city
of
asheville.
There
would
be
opportunities
for
them
to
volunteer
in
the
city.
I
think,
if
we,
you
know,
stop
looking
at
homeless
people,
as
you
know,
just
an
eyesore,
something
that
should
be
frowned
upon
and
realize,
as
councilman
smith
said,
that
there
are
a
lot
of
issues
with
regard
to
psychological
and
substance,
abuse
disorders
and
start
really
focusing
on
those
and
working
with
our
community
partners
to
end
homelessness.
N
Which
is,
and
also
councilman
smith,
brought
up.
I
believe
he
was
referring
to
the
tent
cities
that
they
have
had
throughout
the
country,
which,
I
wouldn't
say,
is
necessarily
a
bad
idea.
I
think
that
we
can
learn
from
the
failures
of
the
past
and
in
other
cities
and
towns
throughout
the
country
and
perhaps
maybe
create
a
community
within
a
community
of
homeless
people,
helping
and
working
together
to
solve
some
of
their
own
mission,
their
own
issues,
because
ultimately
they
have
to
accept
responsibility
for
their
actions
and
for
themselves.
N
A
A
I
think
all
of
them
really
and
I
recently
got
a
report
from
the
va
hospital
there,
even
at
the
table
on
these
same
issues.
So
I
I
do
want
to
be
clear
that
I
could
hope
I
can
speak
for
counselors
say
we
don't
look
at
the
homeless
in
the
way
that
you
describe,
but
we
do
look
at
the
behavior
of
individuals
who
happen
to
be
homeless
who
are
doing
illegal
acts.
A
P
J
U
That's
quick,
get
a
pre-beef.
I
don't
know
what
that
means.
I'm
reverend
amy
cantrell,
I'm
with
beloved
house
here
in
nashville,
and
let
me
just
reiterate
what
you
just
said,
which
is
this:
this
is
a
council
that
has
historically
laid
down
its
life
to
help
end
homelessness
and
we're
we're
very
thankful
for
that
and
for
that
partnership,
I'm
one
of
38
faith
leaders
here
in
asheville
that
sent
you
a
petition
over
the
course
of
this
week.
U
That
was
really
in
reaction
to
what
we
saw
beginning
september
12th,
which
seemed
to
be
a
change
on
the
street
in
terms
of
police
activity
and
in
light
of
columbia,
south
carolina
and
some
things
that
have
happened
in
raleigh.
A
lot
of
us
were
like
whoa.
This
seems
very
different
and
we
didn't
understand
what
was
going
on.
There
wasn't
a
lot
of
communication,
and
I
want
to
thank
chief
anderson
who
came
and
met
with
some
of
us
today.
U
There's
a
good
group
there.
I
brought
somebody
who's
actually
on
the
street.
That
was
saying
that
was
very
dignifying
to
be
a
part
of
that
conversation
with
the
chief,
and
so
I'm
really
coming
here
today.
One
of
the
things
that
I
heard
even
I
heard
yesterday
public
safety
meeting.
I
heard
today
even
the
chief
talking
about
jail
being
a
revolving
door,
and
we
know
from
the
very
beginning
of
our
10-year
plan.
U
Our
whole
10-year
plan
was
built
on
the
costliness
of
jail
versus
the
affordability
of
putting
people
in
housing
by
comparison,
and
so
so
I
think
clergy
are
really
concerned
about
the
use
of
resources
and
really
looking
at.
We
know,
there's
an
issue
of
crime
downtown
pulling
that,
apart
from
things
that
come
out
of
homelessness
and
and
be
on
the
street
to
survive,
which
is
really
what
we're
talking
about,
and
we
wanted
to
be
really
clear
about
that.
U
There's
a
sacred
text
that
I
turn
to
a
lot
where
there's
a
woman
that's
been
marginalized
and
she
comes
to
the
well
at
the
middle
of
the
day,
because
nobody
else
is
there
to
judge
her
and
she
she's.
Looking
for
something-
and
I've
been
thinking
about
this
text
this
week
and
saying
we
don't
need
to
take
people
to
jail,
we
need
to
take
them
to
the
well,
because
what
she
was
offered
was
living
water
and
I
think
what
people
need
is
they
need
housing
and
they
need
good
jobs.
U
We
heard
that
we
heard
a
man
saying
I
panhandled,
because
I
don't
have
enough
money
for
laundry
to
do
my
laundry
and
how
how
that
must
feel-
and
so
so
folks
are
sometimes
doing
these
things,
because
they
don't
have
any
other
way
of
surviving.
We
have
folks
who
are
mentally
ill,
who
are
not
getting
the
services
that
they
need.
U
That's
not
your
fault
and
I've
been
up
in
raleigh
many
times
this
year,
speaking
out
with
moral
mondays,
and
we
know
that
that
we
have
systems
that
are
afraid
to
the
point
where
they're,
not
even
there
oftentimes.
We
have
people
with
addiction
issues
and
we
have
a
town
that
that
is
really
living
off
of
its
images.
Beer
city,
but
we've
got
to
look
at
those
addiction
issues
and
get
people
the
help
that
they
need
when
they
have
that.
So
I
come,
and
I
appreciate
you
all,
bringing
the
hard
to
house
issue
to
the
table.
U
A
Thank
you,
and
just
to
take
your
example,
one
step
further
after
she
received
what
she
needed
from
the
living
water.
She
went
and
told
those
who
she
could
influence,
and
so
I
think
that's
part
of
the
issue
is
getting
people
who
have
been
housed
successfully
to
go,
tell
others
how
to
become
housed
and
stay
housed.
A
I
am
optimistic
that
as
smokey
comes
to
the
area
and
look
at
the
23
counties
of
western
north
carolina,
look
at
case
management
and
how
we
can
better
engage
individuals
to
get
the
services
that
we
need.
We
need
to
make
sure
the
people
who
go
to
the
well
are
going
back
to
tell
others
who
need
services,
how
to
get
the
help,
and
so,
as
policymakers,
we
can't
be
the
only
ones
talking
about
and
supporting
these
issues.
A
T
Thank
you
mayor
and
others.
I'm
skipper
r
award
and
I
wanted
to
address
the
issue.
I
know
the
city's
done
an
outstanding
job
of
chronic
homelessness
and
finding
homelessness
for
them.
But
what
I
find
us
in
now
is
a
situation
that
they're
going
to
keep
coming.
We
have
such
good
food
sources
for
all
these
sources,
they're
coming
and
they're,
going
to
keep
coming
to
asheville
for
those
reasons,
and
we
can't
automatically
flip
a
switch
and
put
them
in
a
housing,
even
though
they
deserve
it.
Even
no
one
was
just
completed.
T
It
takes
time
and
process,
we
all
know
about
tent
cities,
and
I
know
about
safe
harbor
that
was
down
in
st
petersburg
florida
and
there
was
no
detention
center
like
on
a
pinna
farm
and
had
a
huge
parking
lot
when,
if
you
were
really
really
good,
you
got
to
stay
inside
and
the
sheriff's
department,
patrolled
it
if
you
weren't
so
good
like
me,
you
stayed
outside
under
a
cover
on
a
parking
lot.
Well,
under
the
cover
on
the
parking
lot
was
fenced
in.
O
My
name
is
timothy
sadler
and
I
I
also
attended
the
public
safety
meeting
last
night
and
I
want
to
bring
up
that.
One
of
the
highlights
that
was
cited
in
in
the
chief's
annual
report
was
seizing
41
000
grams
of
of
marijuana,
and
I
I
gave
public
comment
at
that
meeting
last
night
or
yesterday
to
see
if
we
can
find
out
exactly
how
much
manpower
and
and
and
budget
went
towards
that
that
season
of
something
that
is
clearly
becoming
permitted
nationally
and
also
a
boost
to
local
governments
and
state
governments
budgets.
S
May
I
move
that
asheville
city
council
go
in
a
closed
session
for
the
following
reasons:
one
to
consult
with
an
attorney
employed
by
the
city
about
matters
with
respect
to
which
the
attorney
client
privilege
between
the
city
and
its
attorney
must
be
preserved.
The
statutory
authorization
is
contained
in
north
carolina
general
statutes,
143-318.1183.
S
Second,
to
establish
or
to
instruct
the
city,
staff
or
negotiating
agents
concerning
the
position
to
be
taken
by
or
on
behalf
of
the
city
negotiating
terms
of
contracts
for
the
acquisition
of
real
property
at
550
airport
road
fletcher
north
carolina
by
purchase,
option
exchange
release.
The
statutory
authorization
is
contained
in
gs,
gs143-318.11,
a5.