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A
Good
evening
welcome
to
the
asheville
city
council
meeting.
I
have
some
reminders
here
that
maggie
make
sure
I
will
remind
you
of
the
font.
They
are
the
following.
Please
mute
your
cell
phones.
A
If
you
need
a
parking
sticker
to
get
out
of
the
civic
center
without
having
to
pay,
you
can
get
one
at
the
desk.
You
walked
in
at
the
front
there,
and
if
you
want
to
speak
on
an
item
on
the
agenda,
you
need
to
sign
up
at
the
desk
also
where
you
get
party
stickers,
it's
a
multi-purpose
desk
there.
So
we
will
begin
this
evening
with
the
pledge
of
allegiance.
A
Now,
therefore,
I
esther
mannheimer
mayor
of
the
city
of
asheville
do
hereby
proclaim
the
week
of
may
5th,
through
21st
2022,
as
national
public
works
week
in
the
city
of
asheville,
and
urge
all
citizens
to
join
with
representatives
of
the
american
public
works,
association
and
canadian
public
works,
association
and
government
agencies
in
activities.
Events
and
ceremonies
designed
to
pay
tribute
to
our
public
works
professionals,
engineers,
managers
and
employees,
and
to
recognize
the
substantial
contributions
they
make
to
protecting
our
national
health
safety
and
quality
of
life.
C
D
G
Bernard
mcdowell's
supervisor
for
streets,
utility
cuts
and
I've
been
here
26
years.
B
A
Okay,
council,
next
on
our
agenda,
we
have
the
consent
agenda.
Are
there
any
questions,
comments
regarding
the
consent
agenda
or
a
motion
to
approve
this.
I
A
L
A
Opposed
all
right,
thank
you.
Our
airport
director
lou
blyweis,
was
to
make
a
presentation
regarding
the
state
of
the
airport,
but
he
is
stuck
on
I-26,
so
we,
his
report,
is
made
to
you
virtually
by
attachment
to
the
agenda
online
and
good
luck,
lou
getting
back
getting
back
home
all
right.
Next,
we
have
the
managers
report,
an
update
on
homelessness
initiatives
and
I'm
going
to
kick
it
off.
Kick
it
over
to
the
city
manager.
M
M
The
a-hope
facility,
the
newly
hired
executive
director
of
a-hope,
marcus
laws
will
be
providing
this
update,
and
then
I
hope
that
our
own
captain,
mike
lamb,
will
then
present
data
showing
progress
being
made
in
and
around
the
a-hope
facility
related
to
calls
for
services
and
reduction
in
crime,
and
I
will
then
finish
up
with
a
update
on
homeless
initiatives
related
to
food
sharing
and
that
effort
is
being
spearheaded
by
our
equity
inclusion
department
and
then.
M
Lastly,
our
second
topic
will
be
to
highlight
some
of
the
city's
efforts
in
coordination
with
asheville
greenworks
on
some
community
cleanups
that
occur
throughout
the
month
of
april,
and
now
I
will
turn
it
over
to
emily
ball.
N
N
I'm
here
tonight
to
talk
to
you
about
the
point
in
time.
Count
results.
As
you
know,
the
point
in
time
count
is
an
annual
event
that
we
conduct
to
identify
how
many
people
are
homeless
in
our
community,
and
so
what
I'm
going
to
go
through
tonight
is
a
real,
deep
dive
on
that
data
about
who
our
homeless
population
is
as
identified
in
the
2022
point
in
time.
Count
key
takeaways
bottom
line
up
front
is
that
the
homelessness
has
increased
since
2021
by
21
percent
and
we'll
get
into
that
further
in
a
bit.
N
We
know
that
covet
has
significantly
impacted
community
homeless
services.
Covet
has
a
really
significant
contribution
to
all
of
the
data
that
you're
about
to
see,
partly
because
the
volume
and
the
complexity
of
homelessness
has
increased
in
the
pandemic,
partly
because
shelter
inventory
has
decreased
in
the
pandemic
related
to
protocols.
Coveted
protocols
have
really
been
a
significant
operational
challenge
for
a
lot
of
our
shelter
providers
and
then,
additionally,
we
have
had
a
really
large
infusion
of
federal
rental
assistance
and
we
have
operated
two
temporary
non-congregate
shelters
that
have
helped
offset
some
of
that
impact.
N
This
is
an
annual
account
of
all
people
who
are
literally
homeless
in
our
community
on
a
single
night
within
the
last
10
days
in
january.
So
that's
a
federal
requirement
that
the
count
happens
during
that
time
period.
We're
able
to
select
the
day,
but
it
does
have
to
occur
during
the
last
10
days
in
january,
and
we're
specifically
counting
people
who
meet
hud's
definition,
the
federal
definition
of
literal
homelessness.
So
those
are
folks
who
are
in
emergency,
shelter,
transitional
housing
or
are
unsheltered,
so
it
does
not
include
people
who
are
doubled
up.
N
This
is
a
federal
requirement
for
all
continuum
continuum
of
care
across
the
country
to
complete
and
to
report
to
hud,
and
it
informs
federal
resources
to
address
homelessness
at
the
local
level.
This
is
how
we
tell
hud
what
our
need
is,
so
that
that
can
inform
the
resources
that
come
to
our
community.
N
The
count
certainly
has
limitations,
but
it
is
conducted
similarly
year
after
year,
and
it's
our
only
comprehensive
data
set
on
homelessness
in
the
community.
I
would
say
the
shelter
count
should
be
very
accurate.
That's
that's
a
static
population.
That's
pretty
clear!
The
unsheltered
count
is
much
more
difficult
and
certainly
likely
that
we
are
under
accounting
people
who
are
unsheltered.
It's
just
not
realistic
that
we
or
any
community
across
the
country
can
connect
with
every
single
person
who's
unsheltered
on
that
night.
N
The
process
for
us
this
year
is
that
we
conducted
our
account
the
evening
of
january
25th.
That's
a
slight
methodology
change
for
us,
so
typically
we
count
on
the
last
wednesday
in
january
we
bumped
that
back
one
day
this
year
to
tuesday,
so
that
we
could
connect
with
people
at
haywood
streets
welcome
table
on
wednesday
to
ask
where
they
slept
the
night
before.
We
know
that
a
lot
of
unsheltered
folks
go
to
haywood
street
for
that
lunch
and
wanted
to
be
sure
that
we
included
them
in
our
in
our
account
which
we've
not
done.
N
In
the
past.
We
had
48
volunteers
from
the
community,
so
really
great
community
participation.
I
feel
really
confident
in
our
methodology
again
recognizing
the
limitations
of
this.
I
do
think
we
had
good
participation
across
the
community
to
get
the
best
data
possible.
N
The
data
in
the
point
in
time
count
are
collected
through
the
homeless
management
information
system
hmis.
So
that's
our
community-wide
database
that
service
providers
use
to
enter
their
client
level
data
so
for
all
of
our
service
providers
who
participate
in
hmis,
we
were
able
to
pull
their
data
directly
from
that
system
for
service
providers
who
don't
participate
in
hmis.
We
were
able
to
have
them
use
paper
survey
forms.
N
The
survey
questions
include
demographics,
history
of
homelessness
and
household
composition
and
characteristics,
and
then
this
year
a
change
we
made
is
that
we
added
some
supplemental
questions
specifically
to
the
count.
The
paper
forms
for
unsheltered
folks
to
try
to
get
a
better
understanding
of
that
subpopulation
of
our
homeless
population,
and
then
I
also
wanted
to
highlight
that
participation
in
the
point
in
time
count
is
voluntary,
for
so
people
are
certainly
free
to
decline,
participation
or
to
decline.
To
answer
a
particular
question:
if
they
want
to
do
that.
N
Lastly,
the
unsheltered
count
included
data
from
a
hope
and
haywood
streets
welcome
table,
so
both
of
those
were
day
after
accounts
to
ask
where
folks
slept
the
night
before
also
includes
data
from
the
school
system
liaison.
So
every
school
system
in
the
country
is
mandated
to
have
a
staff
liaison
to
connect
with
homeless
kids
and
their
families.
N
Apd
participated
in
the
unsheltered
count,
and
then
we
also
had
the
street
the
16
street
count
teams
of
those
48
volunteers.
Lastly,
the
report
was
submitted
to
hud
april
26th.
The
submission
deadline
was
may
6th
so
just
a
few
days
ago,
and
I
I
included
that
to
say
that
we
don't
yet
have
comparative
data
from
other
communities,
because
we've
all
just
now
submitted
our
data
to
hud.
So
it
will
be
some
time
before
hud
publishes
that
data
to
the
public.
N
Basic
overview
of
our
homeless
population
is
again
that
we
had
a
21
increase
in
the
number
of
people
who
are
homeless.
The
shelter
population
did
decline
slightly,
but
the
significant
increase
was
in
the
number
of
people
who
were
unsheltered
so
that
number
doubled
this
year.
Compared
to
last
year
we
had
232
people
who
were
counted
as
unsheltered
for
a
total
point
in
time
count
of
637
people
experiencing
homelessness.
On
the
night
of
january
25th.
N
I
want
to
point
out
that
I've
included
data
from
the
past
three
years,
because
I
think
it's
it's
significant
that
we
have.
If
you
look
at
our
2020
data,
that's
our
pre-pandemic
baseline.
So
again
the
count
is
always
in
january,
so
the
2020
count
happened
before
the
pandemic
began
to
affect
our
community.
So
I
would
say
the
the
data
you
see
there:
the
482
sheltered
people
65
unsheltered
people,
547
total-
that
is
a
relatively
reliable
baseline
for
our
community
outside
of
a
pandemic
that
sort
of
business
as
usual,
shelters
operating
at
full
capacity.
N
So
we
collected
again
a
lot
of
data
on
the
population.
A
lot
of
characteristics
on
the
population,
first
is
household
composition.
By
far
the
majority
of
folks
who
are
homeless
in
our
community
are
single
individuals,
so
we
do
certainly
have
some
families.
This
year
we
identified
47
people
in
families,
and
we
had
three
children
who
were
unaccompanied,
but
vast
majority
of
folks
are
single
individual
adults.
The
smaller
graph
that
you
see
there
is
that
same
data
from
the
2021
count,
so
relatively
similar.
N
Demographic
characteristics,
this
year
we
counted
four
folks
who
are
transgender,
191
females
and
442
males.
So
I
would
say
that
is
also
in
line
with
our
our
typical
population.
From
years
past,.
N
N
N
And
then
additional
characteristics
of
folks
who
are
homeless
so
keep
in
mind
that
the
table
that
you
see
there
does
not
total
to
637
people,
but
these
are
descriptors.
People
can
have
kim
fall
into
multiple
categories
on
this
table,
so
we
identified
this
year,
211
people
who
are
chronically
homeless,
that's
by
the
federal
definition
of
chronic
homelessness,
meaning
they've
been
literally
homeless
for
12
months,
and
they
have
a
disability.
So
folks,
who
have
the
most
complex
needs,
who
have
the
most
time
on
the
streets,
211
of
our
637
met
those
criteria
this
year.
N
P
N
No,
the
way
that
the
what
you
see
here
is
the
way
that
we
report
to
hud.
These
are
the
particular
data
points
that
we
submit
to
hud
and
it's
not
it's
not
broken
down
demographically.
We
certainly
could
do
that
so.
P
I'll
tell
you
why
I'm
asking
and
I
won't
belabor
too
long.
I
was
in
a
meeting
with
some
folks
from
housing
authority
and
we
were
discussing
something
kind
of
differently
different.
But
someone
made
a
statement
that
struck
me.
The
person
said
that,
in
order
to
experience
homelessness
as
a
black
person,
all
one
has
to
be
is
poor,
but
typically
was
the
word
that
was
used
for
a
person
who
is
white
to
experience
homelessness.
P
They
are
poor
and
or
have
mental
illness
or
substance
abuse
disorders,
and
so
that
made
me
wonder
about
you
know
how
the
voucher
follows
once
one
has
been
labeled
as
having
a
disability,
it
makes
me
wonder
if
that
model
itself
is
on
its
face,
discriminatory.
O
P
If
you
can
address
the
statement
that
the
person
in
the
housing
authority
made
to
even
let
me
know
if
that's
true
or
not,
because
I'm
wondering
what
the
data
would
show.
N
Yeah
I'd
say
that
I
don't
know,
but
I
think
that
is
the
right
question
to
ask,
and
I
think
that
is,
that
is
exactly
the
right
question
to
ask.
That
is
data
that
we
can
look
at.
I
do
I
wouldn't
want
to
answer
without
actually
doing
that
real
analysis.
A
Emily,
I
think
that
it's
taken
a
long,
a
lot
of
practice
looking
at
this
kind
of
a
slide,
because
it's
very
confusing
but
a
note
at
the
top.
You
say
one
individual
can
actually
be
in
several
of
these
categories.
So
it's
not
to
say
everybody
fit
in
just
one
of
the
600
and
and
some
people
that
were
counted
correct.
N
N
Our
veteran
subpopulation
decreased
this
year,
so
2021
we
identified
188
veterans
this
year
we
had
150..
I
would
attribute
that
primarily
to
the
change
in
covid
protocols
at
the
veterans,
restoration
quarters
at
abccm.
That's
certainly
not
the
only
contributor,
but
their
census
was
lower
this
year
compared
to
the
past
because
of
quarantine
for
folks
coming
in
and
other
you
know,
coveted
safety
measures
in
place.
So
I
will
so.
N
I
would
attribute
that
veteran
change
to
that
programmatic
change,
youth
under
25,
slight
increase
adult
survivors
of
domestic
violence,
46
people
identified
last
year,
68
people
this
year,
adults
with
mental
illness,
increased
to
134
people
and
adults
with
substance
use
disorders
increased
to
100
people,
so
people
are
experiencing
a
lot
of
complicated
things
right
now.
I
think
that's
I
imagine.
These
numbers
are
perhaps
not
all
that
different
from
the
general
population,
but
certainly
people
who
are
homeless
have
had
an
escalation
in
those
complicating
factors.
N
I
mentioned
earlier
that
we
asked
some
supplemental
questions
of
folks
who
were
unsheltered
to
try
to
better
understand
that
particular
subpopulation,
and
these
are
those
questions.
So
first
we
asked
when
you
last
had
housing.
Where
was
it
so
what
we're
trying
to
get
at
in
this?
So
so
you
skidded
into.
A
This
quickly,
because
you
know
all
about
what
you're
talking
about,
but
but
another
confusing
thing
about
this
count
is
we're
counting
a
population
that's
experiencing
healthlessness.
However,
on
the
night
of
the
count,
many
people
are
sheltered,
so
you're
now
just
going
to
be
talking
about
the
folks
that
were
not
sheltered
on
the
during
the
point
in
time
count
not
in
one
of
the
many
shelters
you
listed
yes.
N
That's
exactly
right
so
for
the
most
part,
folks
who
were
in
shelters
or
transitional
housing,
their
data
were
already
in
hmis,
and
so
we
were
able
to
pull
those
data
directly
for
this
report,
for
the
most
part
exceptions
in
both
directions
here,
but
for
the
most
part
we
used
paper
survey
forms
for
people
who
are
unsheltered,
and
so
we
included
these
supplemental
questions
specifically
on
those
paper
survey
forms.
So
this
is
again
a-hope
haywood
streets.
Welcome
table
those
16
teams
that
we
sent
out
for
the
street
count
apd
school
liaisons.
F
And
this
is
the
first
time
you've
been
able
to
ask
the
stage.
Sorry,
I
know
you
can't
tell
me
this
is
the
first
year
you've
been
able
to
ask
these
kind
of
questions
right,
so
we've.
N
Not
asked
these
questions
in
the
past
yeah,
so
we
don't
have
a
baseline.
This
is
this
is
new
for
us
and
I
again
will
highlight
that
participation
is
voluntary,
so
we
didn't
have
all
232
people
answer
all
of
these
questions,
but
in
the
bottom
left
corner
of
each
of
these
slides
we
have
the
number
of
responses,
so
when
you
last
had
housing,
where
was
it
and
again,
what
we're
looking
for
here
is:
where
did
you
become
homeless?
Where
were
you
living
when
you
first
became
homeless?
N
13
percent
of
folks
were
elsewhere
in
western
north
carolina
close
to
five
percent
of
people
were
in
the
rest
of
north
carolina
and
then
about
24
of
people
were
in
other
states
when
they
lost
housing
and
became
homeless,
and
for
this
question
we
had
166
responses
out
of
that
232.
So
a
pretty
pretty
good
response
rate.
N
I
don't
know
is
the
truth.
I
mean
I
think
again.
This
is
kind
of
basic
we
we
haven't
had
a
baseline
because
we
haven't
asked
these
particular
questions
prior
to
this
year.
I
do
think
the
pandemic
has
just
really
changed
everything,
and
we
do
know
certainly
homeless
folks
are
mobile.
Are
you
know
moving
to
where
they
can
get
their
needs
met
and
moving?
For
other
reasons,.
A
P
Question,
that's
totally
related
to
something
probably
like
15
slides
ago.
We
saw
that
slide
where
you
said
that
the
percentage
of
african
americans
experiencing
homelessness
is
19.5.
P
If
memory
serves,
I
believe
last
year
was
like
27
24
24.
So
on
its
face,
it
looks
like
a
reduction,
so
I'm
wondering
if
the
reason
for
that
seeming
reduction
is
because
there
has
been
a
decrease
in
the
actual
number
of
african
americans
experiencing
homelessness,
or
is
it
because
there
are
more
white
people
who
are
homeless
and
if
it
is
a
reduction
based
on
something
you
believe
we
did?
What
is
that?
And
how
do
we
do
more
of
it.
N
N
N
That
was
one
of
the
things
we
were
specifically
looking
at
and
what
we
did
find
in
that
analysis
is
that
our
coordinated
entry
data,
meaning
the
people
who
are
getting
housed
in
our
community
through
that
process,
was
almost
exactly
on
track
with
our
2021
point
in
time.
Data
in
terms
of
who
who
our
homeless
population
is
so
I
would
certainly
say
that
we
are.
N
N
Second
question
we
asked
on
the
supplemental
question
set:
is
what
brought
you
to
asheville
and
you'll
see
in
the
bottom
corner
here
that
we
only
had
57
responses.
So
this
is
not
a
super
strong
data
set
for
us,
but
we
had
a
number
of
people
whose
vehicle
broke
down
here
they
weren't
able
to
move
on.
We
had
a
num
the
majority
in
this
small
set
of
people,
our
folks
who
were
here
because
they
had
friends
here
or
family
here.
N
N
F
Emily,
may
I
interrupt
you
for
a
question
real
quick
on
this
idea
of
asking
additional
questions,
which
I
think
is
very
informative
and
helpful.
Do
we
have
any
other
avenues
for
this,
like
our
partners,
that
we
are
supplementing
funding
and
stuff?
Could
they
be
asking
these
questions?
How
can
we
grow
this
data
that
we're
starting
to
look
at
and
that
you
don't
have
to
answer
now?
Maybe
it's
just
a
thought
for
the
future.
N
Yeah,
I
think,
that's
a
great
thought.
I
love
data
and
I
think
we
we
can't
have
enough-
and
we
are
our.
Our
community
service
providers
have
really
done
a
great
job
of
increasing
their
data
collection
in
the
last
few
years
and
we
have
increased
participation
in
hmis.
We
do
definitely
have
a
lot
of
opportunity
to
continue
to
improve
in
that.
N
What
I
think
is
what's
appealing
to
me
about
the
point
in
time.
Data
is
that
it
is
our
only
comprehensive
data
set.
So
you
know
we
can.
We
could
add
questions
in
hmis.
We
don't
have
all
partners
participating
in
hmis
at
this
point,
but
this
is
kind
of
our
our
one
chance
annually
to
do
this
big
community
snapshot,
so
it
is
our
best.
I
think,
kind
of
finger
on
the
pulse
of
that
population,
but
certainly
I
think
those
are
things
we
can
explore.
F
I'm
particularly
interested
in
this
you
know
coming
from
other
states
because
as
much
as
we'd
love
to
help
everyone
on,
I
worry
about
capacity,
so
anything
we
could
do
to
study
those
figures
and
learn.
More
would
probably
be
helpful.
N
So
pretty
pretty
strong
response
rate
and
you'll
see
them
here,
ranked
in
kind
of
priority
order,
based
on
the
the
options
that
people
offered,
and
these
were
not
pre-populated
by
us.
These
were
qualitative,
so
people
answered,
and
then
we
sort
of
aggregated
that
data
into
these
categories.
N
So
first
is
restrictive
rules.
Second,
too
many
people
anxiety,
so
just
just
overwhelming
environment
in
that
congregate,
setting
third
people
feeling
unsafe,
fourth
being
separated
from
people,
meaning
I
can't
stay
with
my
partner
or
I've
been
camping
with
my
friend.
We
can't
go
into
the
same
shelter.
N
Six
they're
full
seven
want
other
people
to
have
it
so
want
to
give
up
my
bed
so
that
somebody
else
can
have
it:
eight
ids
and
other
entry
barriers,
nine
transportation,
meaning
I'm
not
able
to
physically
get
to
that
shelter.
N
Ten
concerns
about
covid
and
other
fears,
and
again
this
is
mostly
related
to
congregate,
shelter
and
then
lack
of
knowledge
about
what
shelter
options
are:
shelters,
feeling
institutional
and
then
a
small
number
of
people
who
have
been
banned
from
shelter
options
or
believe
they
have
been
banned
from
shelter
options.
Sometimes
folks
had
been
asked
to
leave
a
long
time
ago
and
hadn't
revisited
that
so
believe
they
continue
to
be
banned.
When
that's
not
necessarily
true.
N
And
then,
lastly,
we
asked
about
covet
vaccination
and
we
didn't
drill
down
any
further
than
this.
These
are
verbatim
the
questions
that
we
had
so
we're
not
asking
about.
You
know
number
of
shots
or
boosters
or
any
of
that,
but
just
have
you
had
a
covered
vaccination
47
of
people
said
yes,
22
percent
of
people
said
no,
and
then
we
didn't
get
a
response
from
30
of
people,
so
that
represents
our
whole
232
people
there
so
really
really
positive
response.
We
worked
very
hard
to
get
vaccination
clinics
out
in
the
community.
N
All
right
next,
I
want
to
talk
to
you
about
the
housing
inventory
count,
so
this
is
also
a
hud
requirement.
This
is
a
report
that
we
submit
to
hud,
along
with
the
point
in
time,
count
to
tell
the
federal
government
and
for
our
own
analysis,
how
many
beds
exist
in
our
community.
What
type
of
beds
are
they
and
how
well
utilized?
Are
they
on
the
same
night
as
our
point
in
time
count.
N
We
again,
as
I
said
in
the
beginning,
covet,
has
had
a
really
significant
impact
on
the
inventory
in
our
community,
and
our
shelter
capacity
has
decreased
substantially
since
that,
since
2020
that
pre-pandemic
baseline
over
the
last
couple
of
years,
some
programs
have
closed
entirely.
Some
programs
have
decreased
beds
to
allow
for
distancing
in
their
same
limited
space.
N
Cove
screening
protocols
have
slowed
inflow,
so
we've
had
several
shelters
that
have
had
kind
of
a
quarantine
process
when
people
are
first
coming
in
that
takes
up
some
real
estate.
To
make
that
happen,
we
also,
as
you
certainly
know,
have
had
several
non-congregate
shelters
in
our
community
during
the
pandemic.
That's
a
relatively
new
intervention.
In
our
field
of
practice,
that's
emerged
from
the
pandemic
and
in
our
community
we
use
non-congregate
shelters
specifically
to
create
shelter
opportunities
for
people
who
otherwise
would
have
been
outside.
N
It
is
clear
to
me
that
the
acuity
of
need,
particularly
behavioral
health
needs,
has
really
increased,
so
mental
health
has
escalated.
Substance
use
has
escalated
during
the
past
couple
of
years
and
then
another
impact
of
covid
on
our
shelter
inventory
is
that
we've
had
a
lot
of
resources
from
the
cares
act.
So
2.4
million
dollars
of
new
money
in
our
community
from
the
cares
act
specifically
to
prevent
homelessness
or
end
homelessness,
so
to
provide
rental
assistance,
2.4
million
dollars
of
an
infusion
into
housing
programs.
A
really
significant
inventory
addition
in
permanent
housing.
N
So
this
is,
I
want
to
really
walk
through
this
slide.
In
particular,
this
is
the
inventory
in
our
emergency
shelters
and
transitional
housing
programs
in
the
community,
so
you'll
see
in
2020
pre-pandemic.
We
had
285
shelter
beds
in
the
community.
We
lost
some
of
those
in
2021
and
in
2022
we
were
down
to
144,
so
our
regular
shelter
capacity
has
been
cut
almost
in
half
during
the
pandemic.
Related
to
all
of
those
reasons
I
just
named
in
the
meantime,
we
have
added
in
some
non-congregate
shelters.
N
So
of
course,
didn't
have
that
in
2020
those
106
beds
in
2021,
that's
the
red,
roof
inn
and
the
va
program,
and
then
2022
is
the
ramada
and
the
va
program
code.
Purple
you'll
see
75
beds
in
2020,
we
had
a
dip
in
our.
You
know
when
we
were
responding
to
that
crisis
in
2021
had
the
rescue
mission
operating
those
50
beds
and
then
in
2022,
we've
had
78
beds
and
that's
across
salvation
army,
trinity,
united
methodist
and
abccm's
costello
house,
and
then
transitional
housing
has
stayed
relatively
flat
during
the
pandemic.
N
A
N
I
don't
know
about
shelter,
I
think
that's
the
big
question,
so
some
of
the
shelter
programs
close
permanently
some
of
them.
I
imagine
we'll
start
to
see
those
come
back,
so
this
is
agencies
just
trying
to
shrink
down
and
do
what
was
manageable
and
possible
in
the
pandemic
operationally
so
cutting
some
of
their
smaller,
smaller
programs
that
had
smaller
beds,
and
that
was
true
across
the
community
and
then
some
of
that
is
just
is
not
necessarily
closing
a
program,
but
just
literally
decreasing
the
number
of
beds.
N
The
rescue
mission
is
a
great
example
of
this.
They
had
115
beds
previously
this
year
they
had
70
beds.
That's
a
really
significant
change.
They
are
working
on
adding
some
of
those
beds
back
in.
So
I
honestly
think
from
now
until
january,
when
we
do
the
count
again,
a
lot
will
change,
and
I
I
don't
exactly
know
how
to
predict
that.
I
think
we
will
see
some
of
those
shelter
beds
come
back
online.
N
Non-Congregate
shelter,
I
would
anticipate
that
we
would
not
have
any
non-congregate
beds
operational
this
time
next
year
and
code
purple.
We
are.
There
are
already
groups
meeting
to
do
some
code
purple
planning
for
next
year,
so
I
would
expect
that
we
will
aim
for
at
least
something
comparable
to
those
78
beds.
We
really
base
the
78
based
our
plan
for
this
year
on
data
from
last
year
and
how
well
utilized
those
50
beds
were
and
how
often
they
had
to
turn
people
away.
So
I
we
will
do
the
same
thing.
N
Yes,
so
the
71
that
you
see
there
is
66
at
ramada
which
has
now
closed
and
then
five
through
homeward
bounds,
va
funded
program
for
veterans,
and
I
that
that
I
don't
know
there
are
a
number
of
home
or
bound
folks
in
the
room.
So
they
may
want
to
add
to
that.
But
that
program
has
fluctuated
a
bit
just
based
on
covid
fluctuations
but
been
a
va,
funded
part
of
their
program.
D
N
Yeah
I'll
say
all
of
these
slides
that
you're
seeing
there
is
an
enormous
amount
of
information
for
us
to
mine
and
continue
to
analyze.
I
am
excited
about
this
opportunity
to
work
with
the
consultant
on
that
front,
in
particular
to
really
help
us
understand
what
all
this
means
and
what
we
can
do
with
it
as
we
go
forward.
N
Bed
utilization
so
backing
up
real
quickly
night
of
the
point
in
time
count
this
year
we
had,
I
think
I
said
580,
but
it's
560.
beds
available
in
our
community.
Not
all
of
those
beds
were
filled,
however.
So,
on
the
night
of
the
point
in
time
count
this
year
we
had
155
empty
beds,
the
night
of
january
25th
from
that
inventory
that
we
just
talked
through.
F
F
Last,
just
one
second,
because
I
know
the
point
that's
being
made
in
the
room
right
now,
because
at
this
time
at
the
point
in
time
we
had
the
non-congregate
shelter
in
place,
and
so
we
did
actually
have
226
or
something
beds
open
right,
like
71,
open
beds.
Maybe.
N
That
the
way
we
operated
non-congregate
shelter
was
that
it
it
sort
of
scaled
to
the
number
of
people
we
had,
so
we
weren't
refilling
rooms.
We
would
said
that
all
of
the
non-congregate
beds
that
we
had
were
filled
on
the
night
at
the
point
in
time.
Okay,.
F
I
guess
the
point
is
like
throughout
this
winter,
the
question
in
the
community
has
been
at
least
in
my
inbox.
Are
there
enough
beds
or
are
there
not-
and
I
think
that's
what
we're
kind
of
getting
at
here
and
it
sounds
like
it's
a
fluctuating
number
and
for
most
of
the
winter
there
were
enough
beds
and
as
we
move
towards
the
ramada
and
phasing
people
into
out
into
housing,
that
number
changed,
but
we
did,
for
the
most
part
throughout
the
winter,
have
beds.
F
N
N
Lastly,
you
know,
as
I
said,
we
had
two
2.4
million
dollars
of
additional
cares
act,
funding
specifically
for
homelessness
prevention
or
housing
programs,
and
so
you
can
also
see
this
positive
trend
during
the
pandemic
in
terms
of
the
number
of
people
who
are
formerly
homeless,
so
people
who
were
homeless
and
exited
homelessness
into
permanent
housing,
either
through
a
rapid
rehousing
program
or
a
permanent
supportive
housing
program.
So
this
year
we
had
863
people
who
were
in
permanent
housing
on
the
night
of
the
point
in
time.
Count
to
me
that
is
wonderful.
N
That
has
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
heads
and
beds
in
their
own
homes.
863,
it's
a
really
positive
number,
almost
half
of
that,
or
perhaps
just
over
right,
around
half
of
that
our
veterans
in
the
hud
bash
program,
which
is
a
really
big
part
of
the
homeless
service
system
in
our
community,
but
863
total
people
formerly
homeless
and
currently
participating
in
a
supportive
housing
program.
N
So
key
takeaways
again
are
that
homelessness
has
increased
overall
by
21,
that's,
including
both
sheltered
and
unsheltered
folks.
That
covet
has
really
significantly
impacted
a
number
of
things
across
our
community
in
terms
of
homeless
services.
So
you
know
the
folks
who
are
experiencing
homelessness
right
now
are
experiencing
greater
complexity
and
behavioral
health
need,
in
particular,
our
shelter
inventory
has
decreased
related
to
covid.
N
Although
we
have
had
these
additional
dollars
for
rental
assistance
and
additional
non-congregate
beds,
those
things
have
helped
offset
the
impact
of
cobit
on
homelessness
substantially,
but
didn't
fully
close
the
gap,
and
we
are
looking
forward
to
working
with
the
consultant
to
really
take
a
deep
dive
into
that
data.
Do
a
significant
data
analysis
to
better
understand
the
implications
of
all
of
this
and
what
our
opportunities
are
going
forward.
So
you
know
our
goal
certainly
is
to
end
homelessness
and
to
continue
to
shrink
that
number
as
much
as
possible.
N
A
Can
I
ask
a
question-
and
I
appreciate
this
report
on
the
slide
before
on
the
695
permanent
supportive
housing
units
who's,
supplying
that
permanent,
supportive
housing.
N
A
lot
of
people
that
is
a
big
combination
so
again
around.
I
think
the
the
hud-vash
number
this
year
was
382,
so
382
of
those
695
are
veterans
in
the
hud
bash
program.
Those
folks
are
largely
out
in
the
community,
with
private
landlords
and
scattered
side
housing,
but
are
enrolled
in
that
program.
N
That
number
would
also
include,
for
example,
homeward
balance.
Permanent
supportive
housing
program
has
a
component
that
is
specifically
focused
on
people
with
the
housing
authority,
and
so
that
would
include
some
of
those
folks
if
they
are
in
that
program,
but
but
in
general
these
are
folks
who
are
just
kind
of
spread
out
throughout
the
community
in
in
market
housing,
with
private
landlords.
A
N
Yes,
if
you're
in
so
if
you
are
in
permanent
housing,
so
rapid,
rehousing
or
permanent
supportive
housing,
it
means
that
this
is
your
home.
You
are
not
in
a
program
bed,
but
this
is
your
home.
This
is
your
apartment.
You
have
signed
a
legal
lease
and
you
are
able
to
stay
there
as
long
as
you
continue
to
comply
with
the
terms
of
the
lease
just
like
you
or
I
would
be
able
to
stay
in
that
apartment
versus
a
time,
limited
site-based
program
where
you're
working
towards
graduating
from
that
program
into
permanent
housing.
A
F
Emily,
do
you
think,
as
you
and
these
consultants
move
forward,
you
can
look
at
doing
more
local
point
in
time
counts,
regardless
of
whether
or
not
hud
needs
it
or
not,
just
our
own,
because
this,
like
I'm
curious
what
would
happen
in
the
warmer
months,
I'm
curious
what
the
data
looks
like
across
the
year,
and
I
know
it's
a
huge
lift
and
40
something
volunteers.
But
would
you
please
consider
that
as
you
move
forward
and
meet
with
the
consultants
of
whether
or
not
that
would
help.
N
I
also
my
own
goal
has
really
been
to
increase
our
hmis
participation
from
agencies
in
the
community
because
best
case
scenario,
which
is
not
where
we
are
today
best
case
scenario-
is
that
all
of
our
agencies
are
participating
in
hmis
in
real
time
and
we
could
run
a
point
in
time
count
for
any
day
of
the
year,
because
we
just
have
that
data
at
our
fingertips.
So
that's
the
goal
so.
D
Before
we
move
on
from
the
next
slide,
if
we
could
go
back
to
that,
are
we
planning
keeping
the
end
in
mind?
D
I'm
really
concerned
about
a
complete
ecosystem
of
responses
for
for
our
service
partners
and
for
our
neighbors
experiencing
homelessness,
making
sure
we're
meeting
the
needs
of
the
community.
The
folks
who
have
local
businesses
in
our
neighborhoods
is
this
contract
planned
to
look
at
emergency
shelters,
manage
camping,
safe
sleep
sites
as
well.
N
So
we
so
with
the
consultant
we
have.
We
have
not
been
that
prescriptive.
What
we've
said
to
them
is
please
come
help
us
understand
what's
happening
in
our
community.
Please
do
what
you
do.
I
mean
these.
These
folks
are
national
experts,
and
this
is
the
work
that
they
do
in
communities
across
the
country
and
in
north
carolina
right
now,
they're
working
in
winston-salem
and
in
raleigh
doing
similar
work.
N
D
N
Absolutely
so
quantitative
and
qualitative
data
are
both
part
of
the
needs
assessment
and
their
the
the
plan
is
that
they
will
do
really
significant
stakeholder
interviews
across
the
community
so
wanting
to
meet
with
service
providers,
certainly
wanting
to
meet
with
businesses,
faith
communities,
neighborhood
associations,
folks
across
the
community,
and
also-
and
I
would
say
most
importantly,
people
who
are
homeless.
So
those
are
folks
who
can
provide
the
best
insight
about
their
experience
and
about
why
they
can't
or
aren't
accessing
services
in
our
community
and
what
those
gaps
are.
L
Well,
emily,
when
so
so
we
know
that
the
deadline
to
em
to
submit
this
nationally
is
may
6..
When
would
we
expect
to
kind
of
see
the
national
and
regional
reports
I
mean?
Just
I
guess
you
know.
My
curiosity
is,
is
what
we're
experiencing
in
asheville
similar.
L
Than
and
so
I
would
be
interested
in
looking
at
that
national
data.
N
I
don't
there's
not
a.
I
don't
have
a
specific
date
to
give
you,
but
I
would
say
it
will
be
a
number
of
months,
so
it
is
all
of
us
submitting
through
this
hud
portal
and
then
hud
doing
their
work
and
then
eventually
publishing
those
data
sets
they'll,
follow
up
with
local
communities
just
to
do
some
data
quality
checks
and
be
sure
that
what
they
have
is
accurate
and
then
all
of
that
will
be
published
on
hud's
website.
But
it
will
be
some
months
before
we
have
that
I'll
say
anecdotally,
that
I'd.
N
All
right
happy
to
tell
you
that
is
it
for
me.
Thank
you
so
much
for
sticking
with
me
through
that
I
am
gonna.
Ask
marcus
laws
to
come
up
and
join
me.
So
homer
bound
is
here
tonight
to
give
an
update.
Marcus
is
the
new
homeless
services
director
at
homerebound
and
I'll.
Let
him
introduce
himself
and
then
he
has
some
some
slides
to
share
with
you.
Thank
you
so
much.
Q
R
Good
evening,
mayor
council
members,
everybody
else,
my
name
is
marcus
laws.
I
currently
operate
as
the
homeless
services
director
for
home
rebound.
R
I
just
learned
that
term
about
a
week
and
a
half
ago,
and
I
have
to
say
I
found
it
very
apropos,
especially
for
myself
and
for
the
team
that
I
supervise
currently,
because
this
is
our
mission.
We
seek
to
empower
the
folks
who
come
through
outdoors.
R
All
right
so,
who
do
we
serve?
We
serve
as
a
community
resource
hub
with
a
unique
array
of
individuals
that
have
unhousing
that
have
unmet
needs
for
unstable
housing.
R
These
individuals
come
from
various
backgrounds,
they
have
different
ideologies,
they
identify
differences
based
on
their
races
based
on
their
gender
identities
based
on
their
sexual
orientations,
and
they
come
with
barriers
that
include
physical
health,
mental
health
and
substance
use.
So
in
essence,
we
serve
the
community,
but
maybe
not
the
community
that
everybody
knows
in
in
the
proper
sense.
R
Currently,
the
services
that
we
provide
at
a-hope,
which
is
our
day
center,
we
provide
daily
services
for
community
stability.
This
includes
meals,
it
includes
showers,
it
includes
clothing.
R
Our
outreach
in
our
engagement
team
canvases,
the
community
in
asheville
and
greater
bunker
county
area
to
provide
on-street
services
for
those
who
have
not
yet
been
engaged
for
those
who
have
not
yet
made
their
way
over
to
a-hope,
with
the
hopes
of
bringing
them
services
and
letting
them
know
what
community
resources
are
available.
That
can
help
them
to
obtain
stable
housing.
R
Part
of
the
services
that
follow
in
to
our
outreach
and
engagement
team-
and
I
think
emily
has
already
mentioned
it-
is
our
coordinated
entry
team
and
they
are
responsible
for
our
housing
system
management
as
well
as
placement.
So
anyone
who
is
on
our
by
name
list
that
is
seeking
permanent
supportive
housing,
those
who
look
for
opportunities
for
transitional
housing.
R
As
we
look
at
the
services
that
we
have
presently,
we
notice
that
there
we
have
a
greater
capacity
for,
or
we
have
other
things
that
we
can
do
to
help
these
individuals
or,
as
we
like,
to
call
them
community
members
to
reach
what
they
see
is
their
ultimate
goal
and
what
we
hope
is
their
ultimate
goal,
which
is
to
find
stable
housing
and
to
be
stable
within
the
community.
R
We
also
look
at
enrichment
services,
enrichment
services.
We
count
as
things
that
are
not
traditionally
provided,
but
are
very
much
critical
for
success
while
they
are
on
the
street
and
as
they
move
towards
stable
housing.
Those
enrichment
services
include
mental
health
care.
It
includes
physical
health
care
so
again
working
with
our
partners
in
the
community
to
identify
who
has
what
need
and
is
that,
a
barrier
to
them
being
able
to
have
stable
housing,
and
we
work
collaboratively
to
make
sure
that
those
resources
are
provided
to
them.
R
This
also
includes
us
finding
activities
that
are
not
always
presented
a
lot
of
times.
We
focus
on
the
mental
health
and
the
physical
health,
and
we
forget
that
a
person
is
more
than
just
their
mental
and
physical
health.
It
is
also
about
whole
health
resiliency,
so
we
have
recently
opened
up
a
small
library,
so
we
want
to
be
able
to
challenge
people's
minds.
R
We
are
also
looking
to
build
in
peer
support
services
which
allows
individuals
who
have
lived
experience,
whether
it's
with
mental
health
substance
use
or
being
homeless,
to
come
in
and
share
their
story
to
share
the
things
that
help
them
to
pull
themselves
out
of
the
muck.
If
you
will
and
to
in
sharing
those
experiences.
Hopefully
they
will
inspire
these
community
members
to
understand
that
they
have
an
opportunity
they
can
build
for
themselves.
R
And
our
understanding
of
all
of
this
process
is
how
we
have
services
now,
how
we
build
service
capacity
is
through
partnership.
So
we're
very
appreciative
of
the
partnership
that
we
currently
have
with
the
city
and
with
each
agency
within
the
city
who
has
chosen
to
partner
with
us,
and
we
will
continue
to
try
and
cultivate
those
partnerships.
So
if
anybody
is
willing
to
partner,
please
come
talk
to
us.
We're
at
19
north
end
street.
R
R
Our
systems,
management
and
the
data
that
we're
able
to
put
in
to
that
system
will
give
us
those
answers
and
allow
us
to
build
capacity
to
do
greater
things,
and,
as
we
continue
our
partnership
with
the
city
of
asheville,
I
think
you
guys
will
see
a
lot
more
data
points
that
will
be
coming
from
our
coordinated
entry
team,
as
well
as
our
outreach
team.
That
will
support
that
mission.
R
We
look
at
resource
management
that
allows
us
to
be
able
to
build
in
capacity
for
these
programs
and
for
these
projects,
collaboration,
communication
and
participation,
which
are
all
pillars
of
partnership.
That
needs
to
always
continually
happen.
In
order
for
us
to
be
effective,.
R
So
when
we
talk
about
community
and
I'm
sure
for
a
while,
it
was
very
well
known
that
there
was
some
instability
around
a-hope.
So
one
of
the
things
that
we've
put
our
focus
and
our
task
to
is
community
stability,
and
what
that
looks
like
is
we
create
and
we
foster
a
safe
and
productive
environment
for
people
to
be
able
to
grow.
We
do
that
through
awareness
for
safety,
it's
not
just
that
folks
can
come
in
and
they're
gonna
have
a
fight,
and
everything
is
said
and
done.
R
So
we
start
in
the
morning
times
before
anybody
walks.
Through
those
doors
we
make
announcements
about
what
our
expectations
are
for
safety
in
our
community.
What
that
means
is
that
if
anybody
is
carrying
a
weapon
with
them,
they
are
required
to
turn
that
weapon
in
before
they
begin
services
for
the
day
throughout.
P
P
For
this
model,
because
when
I
see
it,
it
looks
like
a
lot
of
accountability
and
boundary
setting.
R
So
far,
not
a
whole
lot
of
pushback.
I
think
in
my
experience
and
what
I've
gotten
from
talking
to
our
community
members
is,
they
actually
crave
disability
and
they
want
to
be
able
to
come
in
and
they
want
to
feel
safe.
So
anyone
who
has
not
anyone
who's
had
pushback.
I
have
not
seen
for
a
while.
R
R
So,
and
and
continue
continuing
the
measures
for
safety
awareness,
we
are
continually
looking
and
engaging
with
folks,
while
they
are
there
to
find
out
how.
How
is
your
day
going,
we
consider
factors
like
setting
conditions.
Has
it
been
raining
today,
who's
going
to
come
in
angry
because
they
got
wet,
so
those
are
things
that
we
have
to
be
cognizant
of
as
we
go
throughout
our
days
and
as
we
interact
with
our
community
members,
we
look
at
crisis
management.
What
are
we
doing
before
a
crisis
occurs?
R
What
are
we
doing
when
a
crisis
occurs
and
what
is
the
protocol
after
a
crisis
occurs,
and
we
hold
ourselves
responsible
to
that?
We
reinforce
on
a
regular
basis,
our
community
expectations
again
in
the
morning.
Those
expectations
are
laid
out,
so
we
want
them
to
understand
on
a
consistent
basis.
This
is
how
we
want
the
facility
to
be
run.
This
allows
us
to
keep
you
safe.
This
allows
us
to
provide
you
the
services
that
are
needed
for
you
to
be
able
to
sustain
yourself
and
move
towards
stable
housing
anytime.
R
R
They
feel
are
injustices
to
them
when
they
come
to
us
and
they
have
their
appeal
a
lot
of
times
that
may
involve
when
they
come
back
to
the
community,
making
restitution,
whether
that
be
to
help
us
keep
the
area
around
a
hope
in
our
neighboring
community,
clean
or
if
it
is
to
have
an
apology
during
our
community
meeting
to
apologize
to
the
rest
of
the
community
members
for
the
disruption,
because
it
is
about
accountability.
It
is
about
taking
responsibility
and
it
is
about
giving
individuals
an
opportunity
to
be
seen
and
to
be
heard.
R
We
have
implemented
overnight
security
services
to
help
with
safety
during
off
hours,
and
we
do
focus
on
cleanliness,
not
just
at
a-hope,
but
we
do
focus
on
cleanliness
around
a
hope
and
in
the
neighboring
community.
So
you
will
see
our
community
leaders
who
will
walk
up
and
down
the
street
during
hours
and
after
hours
and
they
will
be
picking
up
trash.
And
sometimes
you
might
see
some
community
members
right
alongside
of
us,
because
we
understand
that
we
are
accountable
and
that
we
have
a
responsibility
to
our
neighbors
and
to
the
community
that
surround
us.
S
R
Oh,
it's
very
much
restorative
practices.
It's
very
much
meant
to
not
to
isolate
anyone
not
to
push
anyone
away
but
to
again
help
them
feel
responsible
for
the
actions
that
they
take
and
to
be
accountable
for
the
actions
that
they
take,
recognizing
that
when
they
do
act,
it
has
a
significant
effect
on
the
community
that
we're
serving
the
community
that
they're
operating
in
and
then
it's
also
to
build
capacity
for
once
they
are
integrated
into
housing
and
back
into
the
community.
S
That
can
be
a
very
volatile
position
for
individual
to
be
in
outside
of
a-hope.
Do
you
do
you
foresee,
in
backlash
for
a
community
making
a
decision
as
to
make
whether
to
ban
one
or
two
community
members
like
what
does
their
protection
look
like
on
the
street.
R
Well,
I
think
the
protection
that
it
looks
like
on
the
street
they,
when
they're
on
the
street
they
have
their
own
forms
of
community
and
how
they
operate
when
they
come
to
a-hope
what
we
teach
to
them
and
what
we
model
for
them
is:
what
does
it
mean
to
be
a
responsible
community
member,
and
how
do
you
take
accountability
for
yourself?
If
there
is
a
backlash,
I
think
it
would
be
that
someone
is
not
taking
responsibility
for
themselves
and
they
are
not
respecting
the
community,
as
it
is
said,
is
that
the
help
or.
R
I
want
to
make
sure
I
got
I
got
you
got
you
the
correct
answer,
so
you've
heard
me
talk
a
lot
about
community,
because
that
is
the
culture
that
we
are
seeking
to
build,
and
that
is
the
culture
that
we
are
building
and
how
we
are
doing.
That
is
folks
who
come
through
our
doors.
They
are
not
clients,
that
is
an
institutionalized
term,
and
I
refuse
to
listen
to
it
and
let
it
be
used.
They
are
our
community
members
and
we
have
a
responsibility
to
them.
R
The
folks
that
work
there.
They
are
not
staff.
They
are
community
leaders
because
it
is
their
responsibility.
It
is
my
responsibility
and
our
collective
responsibility
to
teach
and
to
model
what
it
is
to
be
a
strong
community
member,
what
it
means
to
be
accountable
and
what
it
means
to
be
responsible
to
your
community,
each
friday
9
a.m.
We
hold
community
meetings
that
allow
our
community
members
to
be
heard
to
have
their
voice
known.
So
we
take
time
each
friday.
R
R
All
of
this
is
about
accountability,
knowing
for
them
to
know
that
we're
not
just
there
to
tell
them
what
to
do
or
just
show
them
the
way
or
tell
them
ways
that
they've
messed
up,
but
we're
on
a
journey,
we're
walking
hand
in
hand
with
them
and
it's
our
responsibility
to
lead
them
and
give
them
the
appropriate
information
they
need
and
prepare
and
equip
them
for
the
challenges
that
they
have
ahead.
R
So
part
of
those
community
meetings
is
that,
on
a
monthly
basis,
we
do
have
partner
agencies
that
come
in
and
talk
to
our
community
members
specifically
about
what
programs
they
have
available.
What
resources
are
available
in
the
community
so
that
they
increase
their
knowledge
base,
and
then
they
have
a
better
opportunity
to
know
where
they're
going
and
what
they
can
be
seeking
out
and
again,
this
community
culture
is
cultivated
through
partnerships.
R
We
expect
that,
as
we
continue
to
partner
with
the
city
of
asheville
and
anyone
who's
willing
to
do
so,
19
north
end
street
come
by
talk
to
us
and
if
we
can
be
of
service
to
anybody
in
this
community
and
if
you
guys
can
be
a
service
to
us
and
help
us
to
build
up
our
community
members,
we
look
forward
to
working
with
you.
F
M
Yep
and
now
I
wanted
captain
lamb
to
talk
to
talk.
T
Good
evening,
mayor
and
council,
so,
as
you
all
are
aware,
you
know
we
had
several
complaints
about
crime
issues
in
and
around
the
hope,
from
several
of
its
neighbors
over
the
last
year,
and
so
we
we
pulled
our
call
data,
at
least
for
the
last
five
months.
T
Not
only
do
we
pull
calls
for
service,
but
we
also
pulled
our
crime
data
for
250
feet
and
then
also
500
feet
in
and
around
a-hope,
and
I
just
got
to
say
I
got
to
applaud
marcus's
work
him
and
his
staff,
because
there
has
been
a
drastic
decrease
in
the
issues
and
especially
the
crime
issues
that
are
in
and
around
they
hope.
So,
looking
at
the
calls
for
service
over
the
last
five
months,
you
know
in
december
we
had
98
calls
then
january
44
calls
these
are
all
coming
from
19,
north
and
street.
T
In
february
there
was
a
jump
of
66
calls
for
service.
That's
because
I'm
sorry
february
66
calls
for
service,
that's
cause
in
february,
that's
when
they
instituted
overnight
security,
and
they
had
a
couple
of
issues
with
folks
that
were
routinely
trespassing
there,
and
there
was
a
handful
of
folks
that
actually
did
property
damage,
threaten
the
security
guard.
T
But
again,
like
marcus
said
it
all
comes
back
to
partnership,
and
so
I
feel
like
we
really
have
a
strong
partnership
now
and
we
investigated
those
crimes
and
were
able
to
make
charges
on
those
for
those
individuals
that
did
the
threats
and
also
did
the
damage
to
the
property.
And
then,
in
march
we
had
42
calls
and
you
can
see
in
april
I
mean
that's
pretty
much
cut
in
half
so
and
we're
seeing
the
same
thing
trending
now
in
may.
So
if
you
go
to
the
next
slide,.
T
That's
the
only
one
that
I
need
yeah,
but
so
yeah.
This
presentation
is
much
shorter
than
emily's,
so
emily
did
a
great
emily,
always
does
a
great
job
there,
she's
wonderful!
So
looking
at
the
crime,
stats
from
250
feet
and
then
500
feet,
we
had
a
significant
drop.
You
know:
you've
got
29
total
crimes
within
250
feet,
39
within
500
feet,
and
you
can
see
the
drop-off.
You
know
total
total
counts
and
these
are
incidents.
These
aren't
calls
for
service.
These
are
actual
crime
incidents
that
have
been
reported.
T
So
we
had
eight
in
january
nine
in
february
nine
in
march
and
then
three
in
april
and
then
because
and
the
reason
we
did
this,
because
our
concern
was
that
if
things
were
addressed
today,
hope
where
there
was
accountability
there
and
that
it
would
be
pushed
out
in
and
around
the
area.
But
what
we're
seeing
actually
is
it's
affecting
the
whole
re,
the
whole
region
within
250
feet
and
500
feet.
So
again,
it's
it's
not
only
better,
they
hope,
but
the
in
and
around
the
affected
businesses
in
and
around.
T
I
hope
as
well
so
go
out
to
500
feet
and
it
is
12.
in
january,
then
11
in
february,
11
in
march
and
five
in
april
for
a
total
of
39..
But
again
just
I
just
want
to
echo
what
marcus
said.
It
comes
back
to
partnerships
and
collaboration,
and
I
feel
now
that
we
have
a
strong
collaboration
and
partnership
with
marcus
and
ahope
and
his
staff.
His
team
is
really
good.
T
D
Have
a
question
anytime
we're
looking
at
just
a
very
specific
snapshot.
It
might
not
tell
the
whole
story.
Do
we
have
comparative
data
for
downtown
in
this
area
for
compared
to
the
year
before
and
the
year
before,
that.
A
No
you're
glad
I
was
just
gonna,
ask
and
marcus,
I
know
already
sat
down,
but
whether
or
not
and
it
sounds
like
you're
really
reaching
out
to
a
lot
of
folks.
Have
you
been
able
to
establish
contact
with
the
other
folks
in
the
area
like
jan
davis,
tire
and
yes,
okay,
good.
P
All
right
great
because
I
was
going
to
say
that
was
the
point
I
was
getting
ready
to
make,
because
I
have
had
the
opportunity
to
speak
with
those
surrounding
and
they
say
they've
noticed
a
significant
change.
P
However,
there
is
they
are
cautiously
optimistic
because,
as
one
person
said
to
me,
there
have
been
times
in
the
past
when
heat
has
been
placed
on
the
organization
and
after
a
period
of
time
in
the
past
things
kind
of
started
to
trickle
back
up.
P
So
my
request
or
question
is,
I
know
we
were
in
a
90-day
trial.
Is
it
possible
to
circle
around
circle
back
in
like
july,
to
see
where
things
are
and
I'm
going
to
ask
you
a
question,
but
I'm
also
going
to
kind
of
edit.
T
That's
fine
with
me:
yeah.
We
also
meet
on
a
monthly
basis,
so
we
stay
in
regular
contact.
Marcus
has
also
invited
us
to
the
community
meetings.
T
T
So
it's
important
that
we
have
great
relationships
within
that
community
so
that
they
feel
comfortable
coming
and
reporting
to
an
officer,
because
we
also
know
that
reporting
in
and
among
that
population
in
that
community
is
also
very
low.
So
we're
only
seeing
like
a
snapshot
of
what's
actually
occurring
out
there.
P
P
For
me,
on
a
personal
level,
that
was
not
the
case.
The
point
was,
in
my
opinion,
to
actually
improve
matters
for
those
folks
and
to
make
things
better
and
safer
for
them
as
well
as
those
around,
and
it
seems
to
me
that
by
implementing
accountability,
everyone
is
better
served.
I
just
want
to
take
that
opportunity
to
say,
and
the
data
seems
to
suggest
that.
M
A
And
I
just
wanted
to
add
a
comment,
while
you're
transitioning
to
food
sharing,
I
I
was
interviewing
the
director
of
a
of
a
low
barrier
or
high
access
shelter
in
olympia.
Washington
olympia
is
a
little
similar
to
us.
In
some
ways
it
is
a
shelter
that
is
connected
to
permanent
supportive
housing
as
well
sort
of
in
one
site,
and
one
of
the
things
she
said
to
me
was
the
number
of
calls
for
service
from
an
from
a
shelter
space
like
that
a
day,
shelter
because
they
operate
at
a
day.
A
Shelter
should
be
low
and
if
they're
high,
that
is
an
indicator
of
an
operations
issue.
So
I'd
never
really
thought
about
it
in
terms
of
that
metrics.
A
This
is
not
my
area
of
expertise,
so
I
I
wasn't
sure
if
that
was
just
something
we
had
to
accept
and
that
was
kind
of
how
it
worked,
but
I
think
what
we're
seeing
here
with
this
very
strategic
approach
to
operating
a
hope,
a
change
in
the
in
the
well
and
what
we've
seen
here
today.
So
I
just
want
to
make
that
observation.
That's
good
news.
M
Thank
you
thank
you
mayor,
and
that
was
just
really.
The
whole
purpose
of
this
presentation
is
to
demonstrate
intentionality
collaboration,
partnerships
and
some
real
difficult
conversations
between
us
and
and
our
partners.
We
meet
monthly
cindy
and
I
have
met
without
the
rest
of
staff
to
to
try
to
get
on
the
same
page.
So
I
think
that
we
are
headed
in
in
a
very
positive
direction,
just
very
very
quickly.
M
Other
issues
related
to
homeless
and
providing
the
type
of
services
that
are
needed
is
the
food
sharing,
and
a
lot
of
the
food
sharing
issue
is
around
quite
frankly.
Community
cleanliness
is
how
do
we
share
food
in
public
spaces
in
a
way
that
does
not
adversely
impact
that
space
after
the
food
sharing
is
over?
So
we
have
convened
a
group
of
people
that
are
engaged
in
food
sharing
had
conversations
with
them.
Ultimately,
the
result
will
be
guidelines
if
you
are
in
public
spaces.
M
These
are
the
things
that
you
need
to
be
aware
of
these.
This
is
how
you've
got
to
leave
the
space.
You
got
to
leave
the
space
actually
even
better
than
you
found
it
in
in
some
instances.
But
lastly,
we
wanted
to
go
on
record
to
say
that
that
the
city
is
not
currently
have
plans
to
enact
some
type
of
ordinance
around
food
sharing,
and
so
I
don't
have
anybody
to
click
for
me.
There
you
go
all
right.
M
Thank
you,
and
you
all
know,
and
many
of
you
elected
officials
and
staff
that
are
here
participated
in
some
of
the
cleanups
that
happened
in
april.
M
We
had
a
number
of
groups,
the
downtown
cleanup,
the
hayward
road
cleanup
and
the
neighborhood
cleanups
during
earth
week,
and
what
those
figures
represent
is
a
whole
lot
of
trash.
They
got
picked
up
by
the
community
and
we
just
wanted
to
just
acknowledge
that
effort
and
to
say
thank
you
and
also
to
if
you
can
click
again
to
the
last
slide
at
some
of
our
key
takeaways,
and
I
will
just
go
to
the
last
bullet.
M
Our
whole
community
benefits
by
ending
homelessness
and
our
greatest
impact
comes
when
we
work
together,
we
can
do
more
as
partners
than
we
can
do
alone.
So
that
is
my
challenge
to
the
community
related
to
this
issue.
So,
thank
you
all
again
for
your
for
your
time
and
I
apologize
for
those
of
you
who
are
waiting
on
agenda
items.
I
will
shut
up.
Thank
you.
A
Report,
I
think
you
set
a
record
for
the
longest
managers
report
very
good.
All
right,
maybe
lou
would
have
made
it.
Maybe
here
at
denver,
ride.
A
Okay,
we
have
a
few
public
hearing
items
and,
if
there's
a
sign-up
sheet,
this
would
be
okay.
The
first
one
is
a
public
hearing
on
issuance
of
the
2022
interim
limited
obligation,
bonds,
the
lobs
tony.
Yes,
it's
you.
V
Okay,
good
evening,
mayor
city,
council,
tony
mcdowell,
finance
director
I'll,
be
very
brief
and
introduce
this
topic
and
then
turn
it
over
to
you
all
for
the
public
hearing.
V
The
the
public
hearing
tonight
is
for
the
issuance
of
2022
interim
limited
obligation,
bonds
or
lobs.
The
city's
been
utilizing
labs
since
we
expanded
our
capital
improvement
program
back
in
2013-14,
and
this
issuance
in
particular,
is
one
of
our
short-term
labs.
So
it's
a
two-year
bank
loan
that
will
precede
the
issuance
of
the
long-term
debt
once
the
projects
that
it's
financing
are
complete.
V
As
part
of
this
process,
you
all
approved
at
your
april
26th
meeting
the
initial
resolution
for
this
debt,
we'll
be
back
on
may
24th
for
approval
of
the
final
resolution,
and
tonight
is
the
public
hearing,
as
required
by
the
local
government
commission,
the
lgc.
A
A
A
Sorry
this
was
just
the
public
hearing.
Okay,
thank
you.
You
said
that
all
right
item
b,
a
public
hearing
to
consider
a
conditional
zoning
of
21
and
999
999
governor's
view
road
from
river
river
district
to
residential
expansion
conditional
zone
and
will
palmquist
is
going
to
present
this
one
he's
still
here.
That's
a
good
sign.
W
Good
evening,
mayor
members
of
council,
this
is
a
conditional
zoning
request
for
a
project
called
redwood
commons,
which
is
a
70
unit.
Affordable
housing,
senior
living
development.
W
Here
are
maps
showing
the
existing
and
proposed
zoning
of
the
site.
Existing
today
is
the
river
district
and,
due
to
the
size
of
the
proposed
project,
a
conditional
zoning
to
residential
expansion
conditional
zone
is
required.
W
Here's
an
aerial
imagery
of
the
site,
highlighted
in
red
it's
about
a
two
and
three
quarter,
acre
site
consisting
of
two
parcels.
Currently,
those
two
buildings
are
have
been
demolished.
W
W
The
living
asheville
comprehensive
plan
designates
this
property
as
urban
corridor
shown
in
that
salmon.
Color
urban
corridor
is
kind
of
envisioned
as
existing
kind
of
suburban
commercial
type
development
that
over
time,
can
transform
to
be
something
with
a
little
more
intensity
and
mix
of
uses
than
currently
exists.
W
So
staff
finds
that
no
change
in
the
future
land
use
designation
would
be
required,
and
here
is
the
proposed
site
plan.
So
you
can
see
that
the
property
kind
of
straddles
governor's
view
road
to
the
north
and
suannano
river
road
to
the
south.
W
W
W
Also,
five
foot
internal
sidewalks
10
foot
wide
in
front
of
the
building
itself
at
the
entrance,
which
is
on
the
north
side,
facing
the
parking
lot.
Other
improvements
to
the
site
include
the
relocation
to
the
west
along
swananov
river
road.
W
There
is
this
floodway
highlighted
in
the
blue
color
and
the
sidewalk
does
is
proposed
to
be
constructed
through
that,
but
the
bus
stop
that's
there
today,
which
is
really
just
a
sign,
and
a
spit
of
dirt
is
going
to
be
relocated
out
of
the
floodway
and
be
improved
with
a
2a
bus.
Shelter
on
a
concrete
pad.
W
Other
things
on
site
include
amenities
such
as
a
gazebo
community
garden
picnic
area,
and
you
can
see
the
the
sidewalks
that
also
connect
kind
of
down
through
the
site
in
the
western
portion
of
the
site,
so
you
can
actually
connect
down
to
swanno
river
road.
W
W
They
are
basically
clearing
the
entire
site
due
to
the
grading
that's
required
due
to
the
topographical
challenges
of
the
site
and
therefore
can
only
provide
four
percent
tree
canopy
preservation
on
site
in
a
requesting
kind
of
a
waiver
to
the
fee
in
lieu,
since
that's
the
and
then
reducing
it
to
the
four
percent
required.
W
And
then
a
few
building
perspectives
take
it
from
different
angles.
W
And
then,
as
far
as
the
living
asheville
comprehensive
plan
staff
finds
that
the
proposed
project
is
consistent
with
the
future
land
use
map
of
urban
corridor
by
providing
infill
redevelopment,
which
places
an
emphasis
on
pedestrian-friendly
amenities
and
infrastructure,
and
the
project
also
supports
a
number
of
goals
in
the
plan,
such
as
that
it
prioritizes
greater
densities
of
development
overall
increases
the
supply
of
affordable
housing
in
proximity
to
transit,
schools
and
parks,
and
also
eliminates
gaps
in
the
city-wide
sidewalk
network
and
especially
where
sidewalks
tie
into
greenways.
W
So
this
project
has
been
through
a
few
review
steps
technical
review
committee
by
staff
back
in
march,
because
it
is
in
the
swannanova
swananoa
east
riverfront
design
district.
It
had
to
be
reviewed
by
the
design
review
committee
last
month.
W
The
committee
approved
the
project
and
had
a
few
conditions
about
the
design
of
the
building
highlighted
there
in
bullets.
One
two
and
three
in
the
project
team
between
the
design
review
committee
and
the
upcoming
planning
and
zoning
commission,
which
was
held
last
week,
modified
that
design
in
adherence
with
the
conditions
of
their
approval
planning.
W
The
zoning
commission
last
week
approved
the
project
with
a
few
conditions,
one
of
which
is
that
the
applicant
work
with
ncdot
and
the
city's
transportation
department
to
look
at
the
possibility
of
making
improvements
to
the
pedestrian
crossings
at
swanano,
river,
road
and
bleachery
boulevard,
which
is
kind
of
to
the
south
and
east
of
the
project
site
in
regards
to
the
visibility
of
the
crosswalk
itself,
and
also
the
pedestrian
timing
of
the
crossing
that
the
project
that
the
applicant
worked
with
the
design
review
committee
through
informal
reviews
to
further
improve
the
design
of
the
buildings.
W
So
they
hadn't
really
had
a
chance
to
go
back
to
the
design,
review
committee
and
kind
of
check
in
to
see
if
their
changes
were.
You
know
simpatico
with
the
approval,
so
this
will
be
an
opportunity
for
them
to
refine
their
design
within
the
confines
of
the
conditional
zoning
and
then
three
that
the
required
tree
can't
be
preservation,
be
reduced.
From
fifteen
percent
to
four
percent
and
waving
the
fee
in
lieu,
and
then
there
are
a
number
of
conditions
with
this
project
highlighted
there
as
far
as
any
technical
modifications
from
the
required
standards.
W
As
mentioned
earlier,
the
sidewalk
widths
proposed
are
less
in
places
on
the
site
than
the
10
percent.
10
foot
width
required
in
the
unified
development
ordinance
a
reduction
in
tree
canopy
preservation
area
from
15
to
4
percent.
W
L
Go
ahead
so
about
the
tree,
canopy
preservation,
so
does
that
mean
they
won't?
I
guess
I'm
confused
about.
Are
they
going
to
have?
Are
they
going
to
plant
only
four
percent
trees?
I
I.
I
was
kind
of
getting
confused
between
the
two
11
and
12
in
the
conditions
because
it
acts
as
if
there
are
going
to
be
some
street
trees
but
or
some
trees,
oops
sure.
W
Those
are
two
separate
requirements,
so
there
are
a
number
of
different
types
of
landscaping
requirements
in
the
in
the
udo.
One
is
tree
street
trees,
one
is
parking
lot,
screening
and
the
other
and
another
one
is
tree.
Canopy
preservation
and
the
idea
behind
that
is
you're
incentivized
to
kind
of
keep
existing
trees
on
site,
and
you
get
more
credit
if
you
keep
them.
Unless,
if
you
demolish
them,
if
you
do
demolish,
then
you
have
to
either
plant
trees
on
site
to
replace
them
or
pay
a
fee
in
lieu.
W
So
for
this
project,
they're
not
able
to
save
any
trees,
because
the
whole
site
has
to
be
regraded
so
and
then,
due
to
the
other
constraints
of
the
site
and
the
other
landscaping
requirements,
and
they
can
basically
plant
four
percent
and
then
eleven
percent
would
typically
be
paid
fee
in
lieu
and
they're
requesting
to
have
that
waived
due
to
the
affordable
nature
of
the
project
and
the
other
benefits
that
the
project
brings.
W
L
W
Yeah,
it
is,
and
I
believe
the
grade
is
also
the
you're
if
you're
speaking
about
the
sidewalk
that
goes
from
the
site
down
to.
W
Yeah
sure,
and
then
I
I
wasn't
sure,
if
you're
going
to
ask
about
the
sidewalk
that
connects
the
project
down
to
swano
river
road,
that's
also
being
done
in
an
ada
acceptable
slope
as
well.
W
Yeah
it's
my
understanding.
It
is
okay.
F
Well,
this
says
just
near
the
end:
it
was
an
average
of
60
ami
correct.
Can
you
confirm
that
there
will
not
be
rents
above
80
ami?
Is
that
right.
F
We
don't
usually
see
the
word
average
in
there,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
people
understood
that
sure
I
mean
this
is
a
great
project.
We
love
affordable
housing.
We
desperately
need
it.
I
want
to
some
one
of
the
things
I
think
about,
as
I
worry
about
housing
in
our
community
is
that
we
add
an
extra
level
of
review
for
projects
that
may
just
be
great
and
don't
need
it.
So,
for
example,
we
allow
an
expedited
review
process
when
it's
affordable,
that's
great,
but
here
we
are
looking
at
a
project.
F
I
think
the
only
reason
this
project
is
coming
to
us
is
is
because
it's
more
than
50
units
correct,
that's
correct
right.
So,
as
we've
you
know
made
housing
and
affordable
and
stability
of
housing,
one
of
our
top
priorities.
One
of
the
things
I
hope
we'll
look
at
is
whether
or
not
that
49
unit
makes
sense.
So
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
that.
That's
really
all
that's
the
only
reason
we're
seeing
this
that
it
is
above
50.
W
That's
correct:
there
are
some
technical
modifications
like
the
sidewalks
and
tree
canopy
that
are
being
addressed
through
this
conditional
zoning
process
as
well.
But
the
main
driver
for
the
project
being
here
tonight
is
that
it's
about
50
units
so.
F
A
Yeah,
but
you
we
we
could
put
parameters
around.
I
mean
you
could
build
a
policy
that
says,
look
if
you've
got
100,
affordable,
housing
proposal
at
60
area,
immune
income,
an
average
of
that
I
mean.
If
you
meet
these
criteria,
then
you
get,
you
can
give
greater
discretionary
room
on
the
other
pieces
of
it
at
a
staff
level.
Theoretically,.
F
D
So
I
want
us
to
be
able
to
have
a
healthy
tree,
canopy
and
storm
water
mitigation,
and
I
don't
think
making
these
exceptions
for
the
tree.
Canopy
sets
these
neighbors
up
for
success,
but
a
benefits
table
could
look
at
where's
the
renewable
energy
plan
for
the
for
these
residential
units.
What
is
the
impact
of
stormwater?
Because
we
didn't
insist
on
the
tree?
Canopy
repair?
D
F
I'll
add
that
I
do
I
like
the
idea
of
looking
at
what
councilman
roronia
said:
we've
been
kind
of
shooting
this
back
and
forth
and
wondering
you
know
just
kind
of
planting
seeds
really
about
a
community
benefits
table
for
what
I
would
say
are
conditional
zoning
projects,
not
necessarily
all
commercial
or
residential
projects,
but
just
these
ones
that
we
force
to
go
through
extra
hurdles
and
any
adult
developer
will
tell
you
it's
costly
and
the
time
is
a
big
component
of
that
cost.
F
Whether
it
takes
you
to
take
six
months
to
get
through
now
some
people
say
it's
14.,
so
these
are
just
planting
seeds
for
future
and
one
of
the
things
I
did
notice
like
you
know
we
could
ourselves
be
a
little
better
about
how
we
understand
these
projects.
D
Additionally,
not
having
bike
lanes
means
we're,
assuming
that
everyone
who
lives
here
is
going
to
be
in
a
car
or
on
a
bus.
There's
a
transit
situation
here,
but
I
do
think
those
kinds
of
setups
for
future
the
future
not
just
what's
happening
now,
but
future
is
really
important
for
meeting
our
comp
plan
goals
for
these
neighbors,
even
if
it
is
a
complex
site.
D
W
We
didn't
really
discuss
that.
Essentially,
what
they're
proposing
on
site
is
basically,
basically
all
they
can
fit
on
site
and
that's
the
four
percent,
and
then
they
requested
the
project
condition
to
eliminate
the
fee
in
lieu.
So
we're
accommodating
that
request
and
it's
before
you
as
as
they
requested
it.
F
W
Correct
yeah,
they
asked
for
some
more
articulation
throughout
the
different
bays
of
the
building,
and
especially
on
like
the
eastern
elevation.
There
was
some
chance
for
some
informal
discussion
with
drc
members.
You
know
just
just
via
email
to
for
staff
to
kind
of
confirm
their
take
on
it,
and
there
was
a
couple
folks
that
were
able
to
get
their
perspective.
You
know,
and
still
the
change
is
enough.
W
I
think
visually
that
and
the
applicant
is
willing
to
go
back
to
the
design
review
committee
for
like
informal
review
and
they're
happy
to
work
with
them
to
improve
the
project
as
long
as
it
still
fits
within
the
parameters
of
the
conditional
zoning,
it
is
substantially
in
conformance
with
any
conditional
zoning
that
gets
approved.
F
Just
one
little
thing:
I
don't
think
this
is
part
of
it,
but
you
see
the
planters
in
that
bottom
right
picture.
I'm
trying
to
think
of
the
tree.
Canopy
production
ordinance-
and
I
know
that's
not
tree
canopy
they're
planting
there,
but
does
a
garden
play
into
any
of
that
at
all,
or
is
it
strictly
just
trees?.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
So
this
is
this
site
points
out
a
tricky
issue.
If
I'm
reading
this
right,
I
mean
they're
trying
to
build
deeply
affordable
housing
using
a
special
federal
program
that
for
housing
for
55
and
older
folks
and
they're,
offering
100
affordability
at
60
ami
average
for
a
period
of
30
years.
So
there's
no
structured
parking
because
that's
makes
it
more
expensive
and
it's
got
surface
parking
so
pretty
much.
A
Every
little
extra
space
on
this
site
plan
is
covered
with
a
tree,
but
that
only
gets
them
to
four
percent,
so
I
mean
I'm
just
this.
Is
me
also
just
talking
rhetorically,
I'm
just
noticing
the
challenge
with
this.
If
we
wanted
to
see
something
different,
you
know
I
mean
I
suppose
council
could
subsidize
the
project
to
create
structured
parking.
I
mean
that
would
make
it
a
much
more
expensive
project,
I'm
sure
and
was.
F
W
It
is
the
point
yeah
there
are
requirements
based
on
that.
It's
pretty
close
to
what's
required
by
code
yeah.
It
might
be
a
few
spaces
more
I'll.
Just
say
that
a
lot
of
projects
if
they
have
to
regrade
their
site
they
typically
typically
unless
they
have
a
lot
of
unusable
area
or
area
they're
not
going
to
build
on,
might
be
able
to
plant
back
some
percentage
of
the
tree
canopy
preservation,
but
do
end
up
paying
the
fee
in
lieu.
W
You
know
which
these
are
projects
that
maybe
have
like
10
affordability
or
that
kind
of
thing,
so
that's
not
uncommon
that
a
project
will
pay
back
instead
of
planting
on
site
a
significant
amount
of
fee
and
low.
Instead.
F
A
Okay,
any
other
questions
or
comments.
We
do
not
have
anyone's
time
to
speak
under
this
item.
D
D
A
L
Okay,
please,
I
moved
to
approve
the
conditional
zoning
request
for
the
property
located
at
21
governor's
view
road
from
river
to
residential
expansion
conditional
zone
and
find
that
the
request
is
reasonable
is
in
the
public.
Interest
is
consistent
with
the
city's
comprehensive
plan
and
meets
the
development
needs
of
the
community,
in
that
the
request.
One
prioritizes
greater
densities
of
development
overall
to
increases
the
supply
of
affordable
housing
and
proximity
to
transit,
schools
and
parks,
and
three
eliminates
gaps
in
the
city-wide
sidewalk
network
and
especially
where
sidewalks
tie
into
greenways.
F
O
A
Opposed
okay,
thank
you,
and
the
next
item
on
our
agenda
is
a
public
hearing
to
consider
conditional
zoning
of
275
diva
view
road
from
rm16
residential
multifamily,
high
density
district
to
residential
expansion,
district
slash
conditional
zone
and
will
is
here
again
to
present
this
item
will's
holding
up
the
planning
department.
Although
todd
our
director
is
here,
and
I
think
hurt
us
all
talk
about-
I'm
oh
sasha's,
sorry
all
right,
never
mind
I
miss,
but
anyway
yeah.
W
All
righty
good
evening
again,
this
is
a
conditional
zoning
for
a
request
regarding
the
deep
review
infill
apartments
on
this
was
before
you
at
the
last
city
council
meeting,
and
it
was
continue
to
address
some
of
the
conditions
of
the
project.
So
I
will
briefly
recap
the
the
project
and
the
regulatory
framework.
W
W
W
The
project
itself
consists
of
three
buildings
and
82
units
total
located
in
the
southeast
and
southwest
corners
of
the
site.
A
demolition
of
the
existing
community
center
and
playground
and
southeast
of
the
site
is
required.
A
new
driveway
is
proposed
on
deverview
road
near
building
number
two,
and
the
existing
driveway
on
north
bear.
Creek
road
is
proposed
to
shift
slightly
north.
There
are
98
parking
spaces.
W
Total
proposed
five
foot
wide
sidewalks
with
an
eight
foot
wide
planting
strip
are
proposed
along
the
review
road
in
front
of
the
two
building
portions
and
then
they
will
be
connected
in
a
future
phase
of
this
project,
also
along
bear
creek
road
to
the
new
driveway
location,
other
landscape
standards,
such
as
open
space
entry
preservation,
standard
supply
and
are
accommodated
on-site
buildings.
One
and
two
in
the
southwest
corner
are
each
three
stories
was
with
12
units
each
and
then
building
number
three
is
four
stories
with
58
units.
W
W
So,
regarding
the
project
and
its
compatibility
with
the
living
asheville
comprehensive
plan,
the
project
itself
is
consistent
with
the
future
land
use
map
by
providing
residential
uses
and
a
diversity
and
housing
type.
The
project
furthermore
addresses
some
of
the
other
goals
in
the
living
asheville
comprehensive
plan,
such
as
that
it
increases
the
supply
of
housing,
including
affordable
housing
in
proximity
to
employment,
transit
and
parks,
and
promotes
the
development
and
availability
availability
of
affordable
and
workforce
housing
by
redeveloping
the
public
housing
stock.
W
Two
technical
modifications,
one
of
which
is
the
sidewalks
proposed,
are
less
than
the
ten
feet
in
width
that
is
required
in
the
udo
and
also
that
the
98
total
parking
spaces
is
fewer
than
the
100
minimum
required
by
code,
and
then
the
other
conditions
of
the
project
are
that
all
82
units
will
be
designated
affordable
in
perpetuity,
which
is
a
change
from
the
previous
set
of
project
conditions
to
those
earning
an
average
of
60
ami
and
will
accept
housing,
choice,
vouchers
and
then
also
that
2
000
square
feet
of
community
amenity
space
will
be
provided
in
building
three
in
the
southeast
corner
of
the
site,
and
therefore,
staff
concurs
with
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
and
recommends
approval
of
the
proposed
conditional
zoning.
W
And
that
concludes
my
presentation
about
to
answer
any
questions.
I
believe
dave
nash
is
here
tonight,
director
of
hakka
and
can
also
provide
more
answers
and
any
more
information
about
the
project
itself.
D
This
is
kim
remembering
the
situation
with
lee
walker
heights
and
the
concern
community
concerns
around
displacement.
Can
we
just
speak
again
to
what
the
plan
is
to
make
sure
that
neighbors
are
not
displaced
during
this
project?.
W
Yes,
thank
you.
So
essentially
these
82
units
will
be
constructed
and
they
will
accommodate
approximately
half
of
the
existing
residents
at
the
review
today
and
therefore
reducing
the
displacement
when
the
rest
of
the
site
redevelops
in
either
another
one
or
two
phases,
and
I
think
david
mentioned
the
last
time
that
you
know
a
lot
of
care
has
been
taken
to
kind
of
match
the
existing
family
sizes
to
the
new
units
and
bedroom
counts
and
taking
in
consideration
the
proximity
of
those
existing
residents
to
either
the
two
buildings.
A
The
what
you're
saying
essentially
is
no
one
will
be
displaced
because
the
new
building
will
the
new
buildings
will
be
put
up
and
then
folks
moved
in
before
old
buildings
are
demolished,
and
I
had
an
opportunity
to
meet
with
some
folks
with
the
residency
council
of
the
housing
authority
last
week,
and
they
were
talking
about
how
this
was
a
much
better
approach
to
redevelopment,
because
folks
won't
have
to
move
twice.
They'll
just
move
one
time.
A
I'm
looking,
I
don't
think
we
have
anyone
to
sign
up
to
speak
under
this
and
counsel
the.
As
you
know,
the
funding
piece
of
this
is
later
in
our
agenda.
So
this
is
just
the
rezoning
so
I'll
open
the
public
hearing
I'll
close
the
public
hearing,
and
if
anyone
has
questions,
comments
or
emotion,.
L
I
just
really
appreciate
making
the
affordability
permanent
that
what
oh
I
thought.
L
I
I
just
really
appreciate
that
and
hope
that
other
developers
can
you
know,
look
at
this
as
a
as
a
as
a
goal,
if
not
and
actually
happen,
and
with
that
I'll
make
a
motion
if,
unless
someone
else
wants
to
okay,
so
I
make
a
motion
to
approve
the
conditional
zoning
request
for
the
property
located
at
275
diver
view
road
from
residential
multi-family,
high
density
to
residential
expansion
conditional
zone
and
find
that
the
request
is
reasonable
is
in
the
public
interest
is
consistent
with
the
city's
comprehensive
plan
and
meets
the
development
needs
of
the
community.
L
In
that
the
request,
one
prioritizes
greater
densities
of
development
overall
two
provides
housing
units
in
proximity
to
transit,
schools
and
parks.
Three
supports
city
goals
for
affordable
housing
and
four
promotes
the
development
and
availability
of
affordable
and
workforce
housing
by
redeveloping
the
public
housing
stock.
A
F
One
question:
I'm
sorry
a
little
discussion.
I
was
just
trying
to
read
through
the
2022
qap
real,
quick
to
find
the
parking
ratio.
Did
it
change
because
that
parking
number
would
not
have
passed
muster
in
a
previous?
I
don't
know
what
2022
qap
is
calling
for,
but
it
was
82
units
and
92
spaces
right.
F
W
The
city's
requirements
might
differ
from
from
the
qap.
We
just
want
to
make
sure
and
there's
more
parking
on
site
than
taking
in
total.
So,
but
we
want
to
make
sure
we
set
our
bases
covered.
It.
A
Okay,
we
have
a
motion
in
a
second
all,
those
in
favor.
Please
say
aye
aye
any
opposed.
Okay.
Thank
you.
I
would
just
note
that
the
last
two
projects
we
just
voted
for
will
now
be
competing
both
for
nine
percent
tax
credit
financing
through
the
tax
credit
financing
program
and
typically
buncombe
county
only
gets
one
award
of
those
every
year,
which
is
how
this
affordability
mix
is
even
possible,
but
we
have
reason
to
believe.
Maybe
maybe
this
year,
malcolm
county
will
get
two.
So
both
these
projects
might
be
a
reality.
A
X
And
I
know
it's
been
a
very
long
day
good
evening,
mayor
and
council
members
I'll
try
and
make
it
as
brief
as
I
can,
because
yes,
we've
been
through
this
a
lot
in
recent
times,
I'm
kim
marman
sachs,
I'm
the
arpa
project
manager.
X
I
wanted
to
start
by
saying
thank
you
to
all
the
applicants
for
their
patience
and
forbearance
as
we've
gone
through
this
process.
I
know
it's
taken
a
time,
but
it's
been
exciting
and
challenging
in
equal
measures.
I
think
as
we've
gone
through,
but
I
would
also
like
to
acknowledge
the
entire
team
that
worked
on
arpa
because
it
truly
takes
a
village
and
there's
many
many
moving
parts
in
this
process.
X
So
without
further
ado,
let's
move
on
to
the
details
so
key
takeaways,
the
american
rescue
plan
act.
Funding
is
a
unique
opportunity
to
make
significant
investments
in
addressing
the
disparate
impacts
of
covert
19.
We
know
that
and
the
treasury
instigated
that
we
build
future
resilience
for
all
our
communities
in
an
equitable
way.
X
At
every
stage
of
this
process,
the
city
of
asheville
has
focused
on
ensuring
successful
outcomes
from
the
initial
selection
of
categories,
which
I
know
you
were
all
involved
in
to
the
development
of
the
rfp
and
the
evaluation
process,
and
then
everything
that
has
led
to
this
resolution
tonight,
the
rfp
applicants
were
able
to
produce
high
quality,
highly
responsive
proposals,
and
this
has
already
made
a
tough
ask,
even
tougher,
because
trying
to
actually
pick
who
was
going
to
get
the
funding
of
all
the
eligibili
applications
has
been
a
huge
ask
on
everybody's
part.
X
The
applications
were
excellent
and
in
typical
examples
of
this
kind
of
submission
and
evaluation,
a
small
percentage
of
proposals
score
highly,
but
then
the
scores
normally
drop
pretty
steeply.
After
that,
in
this
instance,
there
was
no
significant
drop
off
from
all
the
applications.
X
X
So,
in
summary,
the
quality
of
the
submissions
were
high.
The
evaluation
process
was
robust
and
objective,
and
I've
got
to
give
a
huge
shout
out
to
eric
jackson
and
the
odap
team
for
helping
make
the
process
that
robust
and
objective
and
also
the
volunteers
for
the
evaluation
team,
because
they
were
all
volunteers.
They
did
a
lot
of
the
work
in
their
time
in
their
own
time
and
they
did
a
terrific
job.
X
X
So
on
a
timeline
I
know
you've
all
seen
this
a
lot
of
times
before,
but
we'll
go
through
the
timeline
again
just
briefly.
So
it's
a
year
since
this
process
started
so
and
this
first
slide
on
the
timeline
you
know
kind
of
gives
you
the
the
introductory
work.
I
wasn't
here
at
that
point,
but
I
know
a
lot
of
the
heavy
lift
went
on
at
the
beginning
through
other
people
and
the
whole
team
that
been
working
on
arpa.
X
We
posted
so
at
the
end
of
last
year,
the
end
of
2021,
we
posted
for
the
rfp
and
then
had
various
meetings
competing
community
investment
meetings
and
the
applications
closed
on
november.
The
15th,
the
latter
part
of
2021,
was
to
actually
get
the
process
of
reviewing
an
evaluation
done
and
then
updates
on
the
progress
to
the
city
at
the
various
council
meetings,
and
then
this
year,
2022,
which
is
the
end
of
this
timeline,
the
treasury
department,
released
the
final
rule.
We
had
been
operating
in
what
was
called
the
interim
final
rule.
X
In
the
meantime,
the
final
rule
was
not
so
final
and
we
found
that
it's
continued
to
develop
and
develop
as
people
have
given
feedback.
So
there
was
more
changes
that
came
out
significantly
on
april,
the
1st
april
fool's
day-
that's
probably
very
apt,
but
it
pushed
some
of
the
people
that
were
on
the
shortlist
off
of
the
shortlist,
because
the
new
treasury
requirements
on
risk
assessment
and
thresholds
meant
that
some
of
the
projects
that
we
had
originally
identified
on
the
shortlist
fell
away
because
of
those
risk
assessments.
X
So
it's
been
a
constant
changing
and
evolving
process.
As
we've
gone
through
the
new
rules
that
have
come
out
from
the
treasury
and
then
match
them
against
the
north
carolina
statutes
and
the
the
city
of
asheville
attorneys
team
has
been
enormously
helpful
in
that
whole
process,
but
it
did
change
some
of
the
the
items
that
all
the
applications
that
were
on
the
shortlist
so
now
for
the
resolution
for
tonight.
X
So
this
is
the
18
projects
that
we
have
on
this
resolution
tonight,
totaling
an
amount
of
11,
723
2257
the
process
to
get
to
this
juncture
has
been
detailed
and
thorough
and
due
to
those
ever
evolving
rules
and
guidelines
and
compliance.
X
X
Following
the
work
session
a
couple
of
weeks
ago,
we
made
some
changes
and
updates
to
the
projects,
and
one
extra
project
was
added
into
the
resolution,
which
was
the
pisco
legal
one.
That's
the
last
one
on
this
item,
so
a
total
of
18
projects
in
this
phase
in
this
resolution
to
the
tune
of
11
million
three
dollars,
two
hundred
and
fifty
seven
two
hundred
fifty
seven
dollars.
Sorry,
okay-
and
this
is
just
a
summary
of
the
proposed
and
approved
upper
budget.
To
this
point.
X
X
Some
that
stay
may
still
be
going
through
that
vetting
process
that
I
talked
about,
the
you
know
the
ever-evolving
vetting
process
and
some
that
have
just
got
general
considerations
that
are
still
going
on.
So,
if
I
just
go
back
to
that
summary,
we
have
184
384
dollars
from
this
allocation,
not
including
the
six
million
revenue
replacement,
hold
back
funds
for
upcoming
potential
projects.
X
So
the
next
steps
we
turn
our
attention
to
the
results
based
accountability,
so
the
rba,
as
it's
called
focus
tracking
process,
which
will
help
to
ensure
that
the
awardees
are
able
to
deliver
on
their
commitments.
X
The
rba
based
monitoring
and
tracking
allows
us
to
maintain
the
practice
of
seeking
successful
outcomes,
which
is
really
important.
The
sub-recipients
information
and
progress
will
be
monitored
and
added
to
the
city
of
asheville's,
quarterly
reporting
to
the
treasury.
The
exacting
reporting
standards
have
to
be
adhered
to,
and
that's
part
of
the
challenge
that
we
have
with
this,
because
this
is
not
a
normal
grant
process
in
a
lot
of
different
ways.
It's
unprecedented
because
of
the
amount
of
money,
but
also
we
are
the
sub-recipients.
The
city
of
asheville
are
the
sub-recipients
of
these
funds.
X
X
So
because
of
this
compliance
and
the
reporting,
I
think
the
opportunity
is
here
to
build
those
relationships
and
really
define
what
we're
going
to
do
going
forward,
and
we
have
to
define
the
success
as
we
go
forward
as
clearly
as
possible
to
ensure
that
everybody
is
aligned
as
closely
as
we
can
to
get
those
outcomes
and
to
be
able
to
report
and
follow
through
on
the
compliance
we're
in
great
shape.
We've
communicated,
we
communicated
very
clearly
throughout
as
to
how
we're
going
to
progress
through
this.
X
I
think
the
decisions
have
been
made
through
a
very
detailed
process
and
I
think
we're
in
great
shape
to
continue
forward
for
those
successful
outcomes.
I
would
like
to
thank
the
city
council
for
all
the
hours
that
you've
put
in
as
well
after
the
conversations,
deliberations
and
priorities.
I
know
that
it's
been
an
ever-evolving
process
and
I
appreciate
everything
that
you've
put
into
it
as
well.
X
And
I'd
like
to
say
as
well,
jamie
and
tony,
but
also
jamie
matthews
and
tony
mcdowell,
who've
put
up
with
some
of
the
crazy
ideas
that
I've
come
up
with
and
supported
me
throughout,
but
also,
I
would
like
to
thank
buncombe
county's
arpa
team
as
well,
because
they're
a
little
bit
ahead
of
us
in
the
process
and
they've
shared
with
us,
their
insights
and
their
challenges,
and
it's
helped
us
enormously
enormously
as
we've
gone
through
because
yeah
with
the
changes
in
rules
and
regulations
every
few
days.
X
I
think
it
because
the
way
the
treasury
works
is
that
they
get
feedback
from
everybody
every
time
they
bring
out
the
rules.
So
I
think
there
is
likely
to
be
rules
changing,
but
I
think
we
followed
the
final
rule
as
closely
as
we
can
and
then
these
new
ones
that
came
out
on
the
first
of
april,
so
I
think
we're
in
good
shape
and-
and
I
think,
with
with
the
help
of
brad
and
his
team,
I
think
we'll
be
able
to
accommodate
any
of
the
changes.
X
U
And
sage,
if
I
may,
the
treasury
and
the
budget
office
federally
has
already
given
allowances
for
local
governments
who
have
awarded
under
previous
rules
the
interim
final
rule
and
said,
even
though
we
know
there
will
be
changes
in
that
if
you
have
complied
with
the
initial
final
rule,
you're
going
to
be
fine
going
forward,
so
we
believe
that
compliance
with
the
rules
as
they
stand
today,
even
though
there
is
likely
to
be
some
additional
tweaks.
We
should
be
fine.
D
I
have
a
couple
questions,
one
in
case.
Anyone
wasn't
following
along
with
the
work
session
that
we
had.
Can
you
speak
to
how
we're
layering
in
our
non-discrimination
ordinance
into
our
contracting,
which
is
lgbtq
plus
inclusive,
as
well
as
protections
for
veteran
status
status,
pregnancy
status
and
natural
hair.
X
Yeah
within
the
within
the
rules
and
the
contracts
that
we
already
have
a
template,
for
there
is
already
some
specifications
about
inclusivity
and
equity,
but
we
are
going
to
add
additional
parts
of
the
contract
when
we
get
to
the
scope
of
work
and
the
appendix
e,
which
is
the
back
end
of
the
contract,
where
we
will
stipulate
particular
requirements
for
equity
and
inclusion.
D
And
then
the
second
question
that
I
had
during
the
work
session
was
what
happens
if
our
funds
end
up
tied
up
with
a
contractor
or
a
program
contract,
and
then
that
group
isn't
able
to
meet
the
obligations
because
of
staffing
issues?
What
can
we
do
to
ensure
that
those
funds
get
back
into
the
community
to
get
the
work
done?
That's
being
needed.
X
Is
this
partnership-
and
you
know,
instead
of
having
a
situation
where
you
know,
maybe
once
a
quarter
or
whatever
we
get
reports
to
do
maybe
withdrawals
against
the
money
or
whatever
we're
going
to
work
every
week
every
day
with
those
applicants
in
partnership
to
make
sure
that
we
head
things
off
at
the
past.
X
So
if
anything
comes
up,
that
is
showing
that
there
is
a
challenge
in
meeting
the
targets
or
obligations
or
whatever
that
we
are
ahead
of
the
game,
and
we
can
do
some
some
plans
and
some
actions
to
actually
accommodate
that.
D
And
then
the
last
thing
I'll
say,
starting
with
thank
you
to
our
staff.
Who've
worked
on
this.
Thank
you
to
my
colleagues
on
council
for
digging
in
on
this.
I'm
really
glad
that
we're
able
to
get
to
this
step
of
moving
the
money
into
the
community,
and
I
see
all
these
proposals
that
aren't
getting
funded
and
there's
still
really
important
work
to
do
in
our
community.
We
still
need
to
find
more
resources
to
get
this
important
work
done.
D
I
noticed
the
word
that
you
used
in
your
presentation
and
the
word
was
choose
and
I'm
assuming
that
you
chose
that
word,
because
this
is
a
staff
recommendation,
but
I
wanted
to
offer
this
on
the
public
record
that
there's
a
part
of
this.
This
process,
that's
missing
from
the
public
and
so
I'll
just
share
my
concern
that,
but
when
we
don't
tell
the
whole
story
the
process,
it
leaves
more
questions.
D
D
We
didn't
just
start
from
the
top
and
go
with
the
scores
running
down,
and
I
I'm
just
going
to
speak
for
myself.
I
had
to
question
why.
Why
did
I
not
choose
just
one
two,
three,
four:
the
top
scores
for
equitable
community
impact,
total
the
project
plan
and
evaluation
total
organizational
qualification
total.
D
Was
it
because
I
lacked
trust
in
the
process
or
you
know
it's
been
really
tough,
and
I
think
if
that
that
that
document
was
public
facing-
and
I
hope
that
it
will
be
soon,
then
our
community
can
use
that
as
a
as
a
point
of
accountability
yeah.
So
I
think
first
of
all,
I
think
that
those
documents
should
be
public
facing
also
when
I
was
looking
at
my
own
internal
process
of
participating
in
this,
this
missing
part
of
the
process.
D
If
we
keep
funding
the
same
organizations
that
get
funding
the
most,
will
we
get
equitable
outcomes,
because
this
was
an
opportunity
to
be
a
game
changer
for
folks
who
didn't
normally
have
access
to
funds?
So
I
just
wanted
to
be
honest
on
the
public
record
about
the
struggle
that
I've
had
and
that
I
would
hope
that
that
public
documents
with
paid
for
by
public
tax
dollars
about
this
very
important
public
decision
could
also
be
available
to
the
public
to
analyze
and
to
hold
us
accountable.
D
A
You
and
then
I
think,
you're
talking
about
the
staff
scoring.
D
The
the
the
recommendation,
the
all
the
decision
sheets,
that
we
made
I'm
looking
at
the
one
called
reduced
arpa
decision
support
master
this
document
about
how
we
voted
on
these
items
that
resulted
in
the
staff
recommendation
is
missing.
A
X
The
resolution,
I
think
we
have
published
the
evaluation
and
the
rubrics
for
the
evaluation
I
think
getting
to
this
scoring.
That's
the
next
best.
The
next
important
process
that
we
need
to
actually
publish
is
how
we
move
from
the
evaluation
and
scoring
and
the
rubrics
to
the
actual
decision
or
the
recommendation
from
the
staff
to
to
fund
these
projects.
One.
A
A
On
there
or
something
just
so
people
know
it
was
at
that
time.
You
know
you
were
using
the
best
information
yet
at
the
time,
because.
X
The
the
evaluation
and
scoring
happened
when
we
were
operating
under
the
interim
final
rule.
The
final
rule
came
out
in
january
and
we
had
already
gotten
to
the
point
of
starting
the
discussions
on
shortlisting
and
you
know
doing
the
decision
sheets.
A
Any
other
questions
or
comments
process-wise
since
we're
not
under
the
public
hearings
agenda.
What
we'll
need
first
is
a
motion
and
a
second
and
then
I
have
two
people
signed
up
to
speak
under
this
item.
Although
I
see
lots
of
applicants
in
the
audience,
but
you
didn't
sign
up
to
speak
you're
just
watching
us,
which
is
which
is
noted
and
that's
good,
but
so
do
I
have
a
motion.
Thank
you
kim.
Do
I
have
a
motion?
L
L
A
Okay,
so
so
because
we're
gonna
have
to
vote
on
these
separately,
what
I'll
do
is
I'll?
Do
the
public
comment
now
and
then
we'll
do
the
second
motion,
so
I
have
two
folks
signed
up
to
speak
under
this.
David
nash
is
the
first
person.
Y
As
you
know,
during
the
pandemic,
we
all
decided
that
we
would
do
what
we
can
just
by
saying
yes,
and
we
came
together
and
created
with
the
city
parks
and
recreation
department
with
the
county
to
some
extent
and
with
the
asheville
city,
schools
pods
that
were
safe
places
for
low-income
african-american
students
in
our
communities
to
to
be
able
to
access
their
school
classes,
and
it
was
very
successful.
Y
It's
it's
shown.
The
preliminary
indications
are
that
those
students
showed
growth
in
their
academic
achievement
and
they
had
fewer
disciplinary
referrals,
and
we
all
know
that
they
had
a
safe
place
to
be
in
in
that
situation,
we're
trying
to
expand
that
our
staff
is
through
various
grant
activities
to
be
an
ongoing
and
permanent
after-school
program
that
will
provide
real
equity
and
reparation
to
the
communities
that
that
experience
the
opportunity
gap
in
our
schools,
and
we
would
if
this
is
not
the
right
funding
source.
Y
Z
Hi,
my
name
is
jonathan
wayne,
scott.
I
don't
remember
what
the
context
was
when
the
vice
mayor
had
dropped
the
phrase
the
non-profit
industrial
complex.
I
know
it's
been
used
before
and
I
it
was
just
the
first
time,
I'd
kind
of
heard.
Z
It
said
that
way
and
our
concern
thereof-
and
I
see
that
three
very
popular
agencies
homeward
bound
helpmate
and
pisgah
legal-
are
getting
about
four
million
dollars
and
my
own
personal
experience
with
these
agencies,
as
a
citizen
of
asheville,
includes
the
fact
that
I
took
in
some
veterans
when
I
was
in
a
time
of
crisis
through
homeward
bound.
I
was,
I
received,
rent
checks
from
them
and
they
brokered
this
lease
agreement
to
some
veterans
who
turned
out
to
be
grifters.
Z
They
they
had
me
thrown
in
jail
on
false
assault
charges.
They
had
me
thrown
in
jail
and
breaking
and
entering
with
an
intent
to
terrorize
my
own
property,
a
crime
I
didn't
commit
and
one
that
doesn't
even
exist
a
criminal
trespass
on
my
own
property.
Z
They
even
managed
to
get
a
domestic
violence
protection
order
against
me
as
somehow
claiming
to
be
an
intimate
partners
of
me,
which
eventually
led
to
a
violation
of
this
domestic
violence,
protection
order
which
led
to
me
being
arrested
again
because
of
these
people
and
held
on
a
150
000
bond.
Z
Z
Monday
never
came
for
erica
smith,
because
maurice
gartner
killed
her
two
of
her
children
and
himself
at
the
end
of
the
driveway,
and
you
know
nothing
was
to
be
nothing
happened
to
you
know
with
the
judge
that
made
these
mistakes
she's
running
for
a
re-election
against
nobody
again,
as
all
of
the
judges
are
over
there.
Five
of
the
seven
judges
in
our
district
court
system
over
there
have
never
seen
an
opponent
in
their
elections,
yay
democracy,
so
I
don't
know
ma'am.
Z
I
know
that
I
was
damaged
by
these
agencies
unbelievably
damaged
by
these
agencies,
and
I
would
love
to
see
you
take
some
of
the
money
that
you're
going
to
give
to
them
and
give
it
to
whatever
he
just
said.
Whatever
he
just
said,
it
would
ever
cost
that
he
just
whatever
it
costs.
Hopefully,
four
million
dollars.
A
Okay,
we
don't
have
anyone
else
signed
up
to
speak
under
this
item.
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
yes.
P
May
I
break
with
the
quorum
just
a
moment
to
address
a
question
that
was
raised
about
the
pods
that
we
actually
covered
in
a
work
session
and
if
you
could
assist
me,
that
would
be
really
great.
My
understanding
is
that
pods
was
removed
from
our
list
of
options
based
on
subsequent
changes,
changes
to
requirements
from
hud.
X
AA
X
On
the
timelines,
from
from
the
pandemic,
the
close
of
the
lockdown
on
the
pandemic,
there
was
various
rules
that
came
in
about
things
that
were
responsive
during
the
pandemic,
but
it
had
moved
away
from
responsiveness
and
the
work.
The
structure
of
the
application
at
the
time
didn't
fall
into
the
guidelines
that
we
were
able
to
go
forward
with
that,
because
it
was
deemed
that
the
pods
had
been
very
successful
during
the
pandemic
and
and
the
way
that
it
was
structured.
A
L
L
Yet-
and
I
would
make
a
motion
to
adopt
a
budget
amendment
in
the
city's
special
revenue
fund
in
the
amount
of
11
million
723
250
from
america,
rescue
plan
act
fundings
to
set
up
budgets
for
the
awards
now.
Second,.
O
A
Opposed
all
right:
okay,
thanks
all
right!
Thanks
feels
like
an
understatement.
Listen
to
a
bouquet
of
flowers.
What's
the
arpa
mini
no
well,
there's
no
yeah,
no
there's
still
a
lot
of
work
to
be
done.
Okay.
The
next
item
is
consideration
of
a
request
by
the
housing
authority
of
the
city
of
asheville,
for
1.2
million
in
general
obligation,
affordable
housing
bond
funds
for
the
d
review
apartment
project
and
what's
wrong,
none
of
that.
A
A
AB
Good
at
good
evening,
council,
mayor
and
council
and
members
of
the
public,
I'm
here
to
present
I'm
sasha
vertinski
and
I'm
actually
here
in
for
community
and
economic
development
tonight,
presenting
a
request
for
funding.
AB
Just
some
key
takeaways,
the
housing
authority
originally
requested
1.2
million
for
reimagining
deep
review,
phase,
1
and
hcd
voted
in
support
of
those
funds.
Since
then,
the
idea
of
this
was
that
buncombe
county
would
would
hopefully
support
1.2
million.
The
city
would
do
the
same
and
the
housing
authority
1.2
million
from
their
reserve
funds.
Since
then,
buncombe
county
has
voted
to
grant
nine
nine
hundred
and
thirty
five
thousand
eight
hundred
and
twenty
six
dollars
towards
the
project.
AB
And
so
now
the
housing
authority
is
actually
requesting
an
increased
amount
to
1.465
million
to
fill
that
gap
in
funding
staff
decided
to
stay
with
our
recommendation
of
1.2
million.
That's
what
we
took
to
hcd
the
the
project
can
still
go
forward
and
doesn't
lose
points
basic
and
we
can
go
into
details
if
you
like.
AB
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
this
background
slide,
as
you
just
saw
this
project.
I
know
you're
all
very
familiar
with
this
project,
but
I
will
say
that
overall,
you
know,
the
total
cost
is
around
16.5
million
for
the
entire
project,
and-
and
it
is
a
combination
of
tax
credits,
nchfa
loan
funds,
permanent
loan
financing
and
then
those
other
sources
we've
already
discussed.
AB
And
so
just
lastly,
that's
our
recommendation.
Is
the
1.2
million
grant
and
happy
to
answer
any
questions?
Mr
nash
is
also
here,
and
this
just,
I
should
have
said
it
from
the
very
beginning.
This
is
coming
from
our
bond
funds,
affordable,
housing
bond
funds.
Currently
we
have
seven
point
milli,
7.4
million
left.
We
are
working
on
a
plan
to
how
to
allocate
those
funds
and
bringing
that
to
council
this
summer,
so
with
the
1.2
million
that
would
leave
us
6.2
million
kind
of
in
in
that
next
pot
of
money
we'll
be
planning
for.
F
AB
Y
We
we
have
agreed
with
them
with
the
residents
at
beaver
view
that
we'll
move
forward
as
quickly
as
possible
on
this
project
they've,
given
us
a
lot
of
their
time,
we've
been
planning
with
them
since
november
of
2000,
so
it's
been
2020..
I
did
that
the
other
day
and
I
just
can't
I'm
losing
20
years
somewhere,
I'm
not
sure
where
it
is
but
2020
18
months,
and
so
yes,
we.
We
appreciate
your
support
for
this
project
and
and
if
I
can
address
the
question
briefly
of
the
additional
funding.
AC
S
S
Language,
but
could
you
kind
of
give
us
the
an
idea
of
what
type
of
living
situation
these
folks
are
in?
The
review
was
built
back
when
and
you
know
what
are
some
of
the
structural
needs.
Y
The
units
are
antiquated
in
in
their
design
and
that
they're,
mostly
two
two-story
units
and
the
bathrooms
are
upstairs.
So
it's
not
possible
in
those
units
to
have
an
accessible
living
situation.
Y
S
And
none
of
our
housing
developments
have
central
air
right,
correct.
S
Y
Developments
have
central
air
to
one
of
council
member
roni's
questions
earlier.
Y
We
we
are
installing,
with
some
additional
funds
that
mountain
housing
secured
at
maple
crest,
we're
installing
174
kilowatt,
solar
installation
for
long-term
renewability
purposes,
and
what
I
would
say
is
that,
if,
if
we're
not
required
with
this
application
to
defer
a
quarter
of
our
developer
fee-
and
if
we
don't
need
to
use
the
developer
fee
for
for
a
contingency
during
the
project,
then
we
I
think
it
would
be
easy
for
us
to
commit
to
use
at
least
half
of
the
housing
authority's
portion.
Y
AC
F
To
tell
I
know
the
solar
installation:
that's
got
almost
like
your
little
miniature
community,
solar
right,
that's
not
on
your
rooftops
or
anything
right.
It's.
Y
On
the
rooftops,
it
is
on
the
rooftops,
yep
neat
and
it's
it's
pretty
big,
it's
the
it's.
The
biggest
ridge
thinks
it's
the
biggest
and,
as
far
as
I
know,
it's
the
biggest
in
the
in
a
residential
property
in
in
asheville.
At
this
point,.
A
F
I
don't
want
you
to
make
promotions.
No.
I
was
just
going
to
share
that
for
the
community's
sake
that
for
the
first
time
we
are
guaranteed
a
tax
credit
award
this
year
and
I
don't
think
that's
always
been
the
case,
but
there's
also
a
chance
that
we
might
get
a
second
award.
We're
hopeful,
there's
no
guarantee,
but
this
comes
on
the
heels
of
many
of
us
leaders
earlier
in
the
year
and
last
fall
writing
letters
to
the
nc
hfa,
this
tax
credit
award
organization.
F
A
But-
and
I
do
think
that
raises
a
good
point-
I
mean
lee
walker,
you
tried
for
the
nine
percent
application,
it
was
a
good
application
and
we
didn't
get
it
and
the
what
that
means
is
to
make
a
project
like
that
happen.
The
local
subsidy
needs
to
be
ratcheted
up
and
for
lee
walker's
redevelopment
into
maple
crest,
it
took
4.2
million
on
both
the
part
of
the
city
and
the
county,
so
an
8.4
million
dollar
subsidy
to
rebuild
all
the
existing
units
and
add
to
it.
I
think
the
total
is
214
12..
A
S
P
Go
ahead,
sorry,
second
antonin
and
then
vice
mayor
I
like
to
offer
an
amended
motion
to
increase
funding
from
1.2
million
to
1.465
million.
A
Oh
she's
made
a
motion
to
amend
your
motion
so
we'll
vote
on
the
amendment.
First,
if
we
have
a
second
to
the
amendment.
Second
is.
A
U
U
L
Voting
for
I'm
so
now
we
have
we're
going
to
vote
on
the.
A
U
Excuse
me
mayor,
I
think,
just
to
clarify
the
amount
is
1.465
million.
Yes,
okay,.
F
Okay,
thank
you
so
just
for
clarity,
because
that
probably
confused
a
lot
of
people,
so
this
project
has
also
an
ask
in
front
of
the
buncombe
county
commission
and
they
already
voted
and
allocated-
or
I
guess
not
allocated
yet
but
voted
last
week.
I
believe-
and
so
what
is
happening
here
is
there's
a
we're
talking
about
the
potential
for
deferred
development
fees,
because
this
tax
credit
application
process
is
very
elaborate,
complicated
complex,
but
there
are
pieces
within
it
that
improve
your
score
and
pieces
within
it.
F
That
can
decline
your
score
so
nationally.
Other
cities
have
more
of
these
tax
credit
developers.
We
don't
have
very
many,
and
one
of
our
goals
is
to
increase
more
of
these
developers
in
our
community,
which
we're
doing
and
hack
has
been
getting
involved
in,
but
so
buncombe
county
took
the
initiative
to
reduce
from
your
1.2
million
the
1.2
million
dollar.
Ask
of
them.
They
reduced
it
by
this
difference
of
265
000
or
so
because
they
felt
that
the
developer
fee
could
be
deferred
25.
F
I'm
just
sharing
this
for
clarity,
because
now
what's
happening
is
because
the
county
did
that
there's
a
suggestion
that
we
should
pick
up
that
265
an
additional
ask.
Now
there
isn't
an
impact
or
hit
to
your
points
necessarily
on
your
application
because
of
this.
But
what
I
heard
from
you
in
our
discussions
earlier
was
that
you
are
concerned
that
it
would
make
for
a
less
strong
application
in
some
way.
Could
you
speak
to
that?
A
little
bit.
Y
Sure
the
the
the
entire
amount
of
local
match
that
we
requested
was
3.6
million,
that's
1.2
million
from
the
housing
authority
1.2,
which
has
been
approved
by
our
board
1.2
million
from
the
city,
1.2
million
from
the
county,
the
county
reduced
their
share,
saying
that
we
could
take
a
25
deferred
developer
fee.
Y
If
we
go
into
their
initial
application
with
that
approach,
then
we
have
less
flexibility
and
we're
demonstrating
less
flexibility
down
the
road
for
cost
overruns
to
the
housing
finance
agency.
We're
also
tying
our
own
hands
to
some
extent
to
be
able
to
address
last-minute
contingencies
that
aren't
covered
by
the
project
contingency
already
in
the
budget.
Y
Y
We
certainly
there's
no
housing
authority
meeting
between
now
and
friday
to
to
address
our
contribution,
but
that's
certainly
something
that
we
can
look
to
equalize
over
time
as
we
move
with
this
project
and
there's
honestly
a
chance
with
interest
rates
going
up
and
costs
going
up
that,
after
after
we
get
a
full
design
and
costing
that
we're
going
to
have
to
ask
for
more
local
match,
and
we
can
commit
that
we
we
at
least
won't
come
to
the
city
first.
For
that
we
will.
We
will
you
know,
but
it.
F
And
this
is
kind
of
what
the
mayor
was
referring
to
earlier,
like
you,
don't
always
get
these
nine
percent
awards
on
your
first
ask
and
when
they
don't
happen
and
they
come
back
as
a
four
percent
like
maple
crest
did,
then
the
local
subsidy
has
to
ratchet
up
so
did
I
hear
you
say
that
you
actually
may
need
more
funding
and
more
subsidy
from
us
than
a
follow-up?
Ask
just
to
build
this
phase.
AC
L
I'm
very
supportive
of
the
project.
I
am
just
incredibly
frustrated
that
the
city
continues
to
be
asked
for
making
up
for
our
community
partners
out
there
that
are
not
willing
to
share
with
us,
and
I
guess
I
would
remind
citizens
that
I
think
buncombe
county's
property
taxes,
I
believe,
are
about
40
percent
come
from
city
of
asheville
properties.
L
L
That's
that's
really
like
60
percent
asheville
asheville
citizens,
property
taxes
that
go
into
these
projects,
and
I
just
get
really
frustrated
that
we
are
always
the
first
person
that
everyone
comes
to,
because
apparently
people
think
we
just
are
flush
with
money
when
in
fact,
that's
not
the
case.
So
I
cannot
be
supportive
of
the
additional
1.2.
Just
I
mean
265
265.
L
only
because
I'm
just
completely
frustrated
with
how
this
pl,
how
this
has
played
out
with
the
county
and
and
and
I'm
I'm
just
tired
of
always
being
the
first
people
that
people
come
to
for
the
extra
money
and.
D
I
gwen,
I
hear
your
concerns
and
I'm
also
curious
about
the
disproportionate
impact
of
our
property
tax
assessment
on
historic
black
neighborhoods.
D
The
reason
that
I'm
supporting
the
full
amount
today
that's
been
suggested
by
my
colleagues,
is
because
of
the
commitments
to
the
residents
of
diver
view
that
we
have
to
do
something
to
improve
the
living
conditions
of
this
neighborhood
and
the
commitments
that
are
made
today.
It
isn't.
It
is
inappropriate
that
we're
being
asked
to
fill
the
gap,
but
I'm
committed
to
doing
it
for
the
people
who
live
there.
F
I
I
had
concerns
about
this
and
talked
to
county
commissioners
about
it.
Just
for
my
colleague's
sake,
and
you
know,
I
think
we
have
to
keep
in
mind.
The
big
picture
of
the
county
often
deals
with
things
that
help
the
city
that
we
don't
invest
in,
which
is
like
health
like
when
we
talk
and
that's
what
I'm
saying,
I'm
just
saying
like
we
have
to
keep
in
mind
that
you
know
we
are
partners
in
many
ways.
I
do.
F
I
agree
with
miss
wisler
that
it's
a
little
frustrating,
but
I've
been
trying
to
process
like
what
can
we
do,
because
we
don't
want
to
hold
up
this
project.
Your
applications
do
in
three
days.
So,
what's
a
more
realistic,
long-term
way
to
look
at
this,
and
I
wonder
if
this
council,
in
a
future
day
month
year,
could
maybe
learn
a
little
bit
more
about
the
ncf
hfa
process
and
how
to
evaluate
these
projects
better
and
so
that
we
don't
have
these
last
minute
changes
or
know
what
might
be
a
risk
and
what
might
not?
F
And
maybe,
if
we
educate
ourselves
in
the
county
together,
we'll
be
stronger
partners
on
this
and
not
have
these
awkward
moments.
Because
I,
too
am
concerned
about
the
additional
ask,
and
I
really
support
this
project
and
I
feel
like
it
needs
to
go
forward
and
you
need
the
strongest
application
to
get
this
guaranteed
award.
A
And
I
don't
I
don't
you
know,
I
don't
think
I
think
there
are
things
the
city
does
there
are
things
the
county
does
they're
clearly
separate
functions.
Housing
is
one
of
those
areas
where
we're
kind
of
learning
how
we're
going
to
be
working
together.
The
city's
had
a
longer
developed,
affordable,
housing
program
and
the
county
is
you
know,
to
their
credit,
really
going
out
there
and
trying
to
build
out
a
robust,
affordable,
housing
program,
but
they're?
You
know
they're,
philosophically
approaching
it
a
little
different
than
we
have
historically.
A
So
I
I
will
say,
though
I
don't
think
that
there
is
an
agreement
among
all
the
parties
involved
as
to
what
ultimately
makes
the
strongest
application
to
the
housing
finance
agency.
I
mean
you're
the
expert,
probably
more
than
anybody
else
david,
but
you
know
it
it's,
and
it
is
kind
of
also
it's
sort
of
like
applying
to
college.
You
know,
sometimes
you
can't
figure
out
how
come
one
one
person
got
in
and
one
person
to
you
know
so.
I
know
I
realized
just
watching
it.
A
Over
the
years,
there's
been
some
kind
of
head
scratching
from
time
to
time
about
what
why
one
project
went
and
one
didn't,
but
anyway
I
I
think
it
would
and
and
any
it
doesn't
happen
that
often
so
it
doesn't
really
make
sense
for
the
city
to
hire
someone
who's.
An
expert
in
this
when
we're
only
really
evaluating,
maybe
one
or
two
nine
percent
applications
a
year
so
but
if
there
was
a
way
to
kind
of
get
to
a
base
level
knowledge
about
this,
that
would
be
helpful.
A
I
know
right
now
the
county's
actually
engaged
a
consultant
through
the
school
government.
That's
been
helping
them
and
they
did
a
foia
request
to
get
all
the
nine
percent
applications
to
look
at
them
and-
and
they
were
you
know
I
was
they
were
telling
me
what
they
found
in
terms
of
the
deferment
of
the
developer
fee,
and
I
said
well
how
many
of
those
were
successful
and
they
said.
Well,
we
don't
know,
we
just
know
what
the
applications
look
like
and
I
said
well,
it's
not
really
very
helpful.
A
Then,
if
we
don't
know
right
so
so
anyway,
I'm
just
I'm
just
pointing
out
that
this
is
it's
not
like.
This
is
crystal
clear.
I
see
kathy
ball.
F
A
A
Okay,
so
so,
where
are
we
we
have?
I
have
one
more.
Oh,
we
have
okay,
we
have
complicated
motions
and.
F
I
have
one
more
comment
because
I
think
it's
important
to
know
for
the
community's
sake,
so
the
housing
authority
is
putting
forth
1.2
million
dollars
of
its
own
dollars.
The
county
did
the
930,
whatever
it
was,
and
now
we'll
do
1.2
or
1.4,
but
so
the
whole
point
of
a
developer
fee
is
that,
like,
in
this
case,
you're
the
developer.
So
while
hakka
is
putting
forth
1.2
you'll,
actually,
then
take
back
600
000
and
on
the
other,
the
other
developers
mho
and-
and
these
are
obviously
organizations
we
all
support.
So
what
happens
here?
F
They
have
wonderful
programs
and
repair
and
emergency
home
repair
and
all
these
things
and
down
payment
assistance
and
some
of
this
developer
fee
goes
to
operating
their
organization
and
implementing
all
these
wonderful
programs,
but
where
it
gets
a
little
weird,
is
that,
like
maybe
the
more
transparent
way
would
be
if
there
was
an
ask
for
from
us
or
to
us
to
support
those
programs
instead
of
supporting
larger
development
fees
on
a
project
to
support
an
organization's
programs.
Does
that
make
sense?
F
So
I
just
wonder,
like,
as
we
look
at
these
things,
going
down
the
road
because
there's
more
phases
and
more
asks,
I
wonder
if
we
could
just
be
a
little
more
clear
and
transparent
in
what
money
is
going
to
and
how
it
could
be
asked
of
us.
Rather
than
it
be.
You
know,
cup
and
ball
for
operations.
It
really
be.
Projects
and
operations
asks
just
some
input
for
later.
F
Y
Education,
can
I
interpret
it
as
a
question.
Yes,
for
the
housing
authority
projects,
we
are
trying
to
follow
a
model
that
that
we
all
agreed
to
with
the
maple
crest
at
lee
walker
heights,
which
is
4.2
million
from
the
city
4.2
million
from
the
county,
and
in
the
end
of
the
day
it
was
4.5
million
from
the
housing
authority,
so
roughly
one-third
one-third
one-third,
and
that
is
still
our
goal
when
we
have
local
match
to
try
to
to
try
to
divide
things.
That
way.
Y
I
think
if
it
is
our
priority
to
redevelop
old
public
housing
communities,
they
are
more
expensive.
You
know
we
have
to
follow
davis
bacon.
We
have
to.
We
have
relocation
costs,
even
if
they're
lower.
In
this
case,
we
have
planning
costs
because
we're
and
we
have
demolition
costs
because
we're
not
talking
about
developing
a
vacant
parcel
of
land,
so
they
are
going
to.
There
is
going
to
be
more
local
match
required
in
our
projects,
and
I
I
hope
that
we
can.
Y
I
mean
I
I'm
deeply
appreciative
of
the
almost
one
million
dollars
that
the
county
appropriated
and
I
understand
your
frustration,
but
I'm
not
frustrated
with
the
county.
That
was
the
decision
that
they
made
and
I'm
not
saying
that
you
have
to
vote
this
way.
I'm
we're
requesting
that
you
help
us
make
this
the
strongest
application
possible
by
including
the
full
3.6
million
in
local
match.
A
Okay,
are
we
ready
for
some
voting
okay?
So
our
first
motion
is
actually
the
motion
to
amend
the
motion,
and
so
this
motion
would
amend
the
motion
to
make
the
funding
one
point:
four:
six:
five,
four,
six:
five
million,
so
everyone
clear.
So
all
those
in
favor,
please
say
I
I.
AC
A
L
A
I
A
U
AD
S
All
right
boards
and
commissions
committee
met
this
morning,
you're,
making
the
following
recommendations
for
appointment
for
affordable
housing
advisory
committee.
The
committee
is
recommending
the
appointment
of
emily
atzman
for
affordable
housing
advisory
committee.
Can
I
get
a
second
second
right?
I
don't
have
to
do
a
roll
call
vote
all
in
favor,
say
aye
aye
any
opposed
all
right
and
I
want
to
just
share
some
information
about
emily
axeman.
S
She
we
chose
her
very
intentionally
this
morning
because
of
the
low
income
tax
credit
projects
that
she's
seen
to
completion.
I
think
they're
about
five.
So
I'm
we're
glad
to
have
this
resource
on
our
advisory
committee
and
let
me
go
back
to.
M
O
S
O
S
S
All
right
motion
carries
for
the
historic
resources
commission.
There
were
no
applications,
so
if
anybody
out
there
knowing
of
anybody
who
wants
to
apply
for
the
historic
resource
commission,
let
them
apply
we'll
re-advertise
and
for
human
relations
commission.
The
committee
recommends
the
appointment
of
wayna
smith
and
ashley
wilberding.
S
D
Mayor
if
I
can
provide
some
update
before
the
neighborhood
advisory
committee
appointment
sure
we
talked
this
morning
at
boards
and
commissions
committee
about
the
hopefulness
that
we
would
find
in
neighborhood
advisory
committee
liaison
to
the
multimodal
transportation
commission
which
we
haven't
had
for
the
past
four
months
and
a
neighborhood
advisory
committee.
Member
elizabeth
lycus
wuerl
has
offered
to
step
up
and
do
that.
S
A
Okay,
we
have
reached
the
end
of
our
agenda
where
we
will
take
public
comment.
Folks,
you
will
have
three
minutes
to
speak
and
maggie
will
be
keeping
the
time,
and
it
looks
like
the
first
person
signed
up
to
speak
is
david
rogers.
AA
City
council
members
jones
park
playground
functioned
as
a
city
park
for
more
than
two
decades
built
as
a
collaboration
between
asheville
parks
and
recreation,
acs
and
community
volunteers
back
in
1999.
The
city
logo
is
on
the
sign
and
parks
and
recreation
initially
maintained
this
and
continued
to
maintain
the
baseball
field
at
jones.
Elementary.
AA
August
2021
acs
met
with
parks
and
rec
staff.
Peggy
rowe
was
part
of
this
discussion.
It
was
announced
the
next
day
that
the
playground
would
be
torn
down
with
the
intent
to
rebuild
when
funds
are
available.
Funds
have
been
available
since
october
through
generous
donations
of
the
community.
Your
staff
and
several
elected
officials
have
been
working
to
find
solutions
to
get
this
rebuilt
with
acs
since
september.
AA
I
apologize,
you
might
not
be
able
to
read
all
this
november
9th.
I
met
with
acs
and
coa
staff
and
board
members
about
a
dozen
folks,
all
at
the
meeting
supported
getting
jones
park.
Playground
rebuilt.
This
is
a
letter
from
acs
board
chairman
carter.
On
that
day
november
22nd
I
met
with
coa
parks
and
rec
staff
and
peggy
rowe.
This
the
plan
was
to
see
if
the
county
could
deed
the
land
to
the
city
of
asheville.
AA
What
is
the
delay
here?
We
can
lease
the
land
for
a
grand
total
of
one
dollar
per
year.
Here
is
a
map
of
all
the
playgrounds
listed
on
the
parks
and
recreation
website
with
red
flags.
There
are
two
playgrounds
above
I-240
about
a
dozen
below.
Clearly
we
all
benefit
from
getting
this
treasured
asset
rebuilt.
AA
AA
AA
I
appreciate
those
of
you
who
support
this
for
those
of
you
who
don't
what
is
the
resistance
to
getting
this
built
sincerely,
I've
asked
each
of
you
repeatedly
with
no
real
response
other
than
one
of
you
suggesting
that
I
find
a
way
to
fund
and
maintain
this
myself.
This
is
not
feasible
and
talking
with
acs
legal
about
the
barriers
to
private
individuals
operating
public
parks.
I'd
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
listen
to
any
concerns
that
you
may
have
and
to
see
if
we
can
overcome
any
resistance
here.
AA
Please
call
me
at
your
convenience
if
we
can
partner
with
a
private
school
in
the
county
to
use
their
soccer
facilities,
I
really
hope
we
can
do
the
same
with
our
public
school
actually
in
the
city
limits.
I
understand
that
the
cds
partnership
is
on
the
consent
agenda
next
meeting,
so
I
hope
that
you
can
also
do
the
same
with
jones
park,
which
is
actually
in
the
city
limits.
A
Popular
request:
we're
gonna,
take
a
quick,
ten
minute
break.
Okay,.
A
Thank
you
good
work
and
thank
you
for
waiting
for
this
whole
meeting
to
say
that
okay,
the
next
person
signed
up
to
speak,
is
claudia
mcgrath,.
AE
AE
AE
AE
I
remember
a
friend
telling
me
how
much
fun
pickleball
was
so
I
took
an
intro
class
and
I
was
hooked
over
the
course
of
the
year.
I
lost
weight,
gained
confidence,
a
new
zest
for
life
and
just
look
at
all
the
wonderful
new
friends
and
they're,
not
even
all
here
tonight.
I
think
I
made
a
good
decision.
AE
I
handed
out
to
you
the
the
benefits
of
the
mental
health
benefits
of
playing
pickleball
and
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
those
because
there
they
are,
you
can
read
them,
but
as
a
licensed
professional
mental
health,
counselor
and
trauma
specialist,
I
completely
endorse
the
health
benefits
of
pickleball
in
any
regular
physical
exercise
for
overall
well-being
and
quality
of
life.
I'm
still
seeing
clients-
and
I
tell
them
and
everyone
else,
just
go
play.
AE
AE
And
finally,
I
want
to
tell
you
about
a
family
trip.
I
took
to
nehalem
oregon
in
july
2021.
I
brought
my
paddle
on
this
trip
and
I
was
determined
to
find
a
court
as
a
visitor.
There
are
only
so
many
books
I
want
to
read
and
so
many
shops.
I
want
to
visit
this
little
town,
population,
355
and
county
population.
37
990
built
four
premier
permanent
pickleball
courts
in
an
impressive
private
public
collaboration
with
their
park
district.
AE
The
courts
were
open
to
anyone
who
wanted
to
play,
and
I
have
to
say
my
my
trip
wouldn't
have
nearly
been
as
memorable
or
enjoyable
had
I
not
had
this
experience,
so
visitors
will
come
to
asheville
expecting
to
play
pickleball
and
will
be
unable
to
play
without
a
permanent
netted
designated
court.
So
I'm
asking
your
support.
AF
You'll
see
me
and
that
you'll
get
the
hang
of
so
good
evening,
mayor
and
city
council
members.
Here
we
are
again
deep
appreciation,
also,
like
claudia
said,
for
the
work
that
you
do.
I'm
here
tonight
to
speak
on
a
couple
things
one.
I
really
want
to
say.
I
really
want
to
have
a
deep
appreciation
for
peg
row,
who
has
willingly
probably
met
with
me
on
several
occasions,
to
just
give
me
some
guidance
and
how
to
move
this
conversation
forward.
Also,
she
has
really
been
highly
encouraged.
AF
She's
highly
encouraged
the
recreation
staff
who
have
reached
out
to
me
dee
and
wayne,
and
they
have
committed
to
meet
with
us
on
a
monthly
basis.
So
you
know
all
those
little
steps
really
mean
a
lot
to
us,
and
I
really
I
really
want
to
publicly
thank
peg
for
just
her
dedication
and
commitment
to
to
help
us
and
it's
not
been
easy.
AF
So,
and
I
think
there's
another
thing:
we've
noticed
since
the
meeting
and
now,
if
anything
to
do
with
it,
is
that
the
parks
and
rec
department
has
been
coming
out
to
the
pickleball
courts
and
which
we
are
very
excited
about,
because
one
we
hope
that
it
will
validate
what
we
report
to
you
and
all
what
we
see,
because
I
think
it's
really
important
for
the
staff
themselves
to
see
it
not
just
hear
it
from
the
public.
It
provides
maybe
some
data
that
will
help
you
make
some
decisions
in
the
future.
AF
We
can
all
learn
together
how
to
move
this
message
and
this
vision
forward
for
dedicated
courts.
We
can
all
become
more
educated
about
the
challenges
on
the
course
which
are
still
occurring,
and
I'm
not
here
to
to
necessarily
talk
about
specific
incidences.
But
I
beg
you
again
to
realize
that
there
are
just
some
very
inappropriate.
Behaviors
citizens
are
doing
on
the
courts
that
I
think
all
of
you
care
about,
and
we
all
care
about.
AF
The
only
reason
I
bring
it
up
is
we're
not
sure
what
to
do
about
it,
but
to
act,
professional,
be
humane,
be
respectful
and
have
manners
and
be
professional
out
there.
So
our
mission,
as
you
know,
we're
going
to
be
relentless
about
is
to
have
dedicated
pickleball
courts.
In
the
meantime,
we
spoke
just
a
little
bit
about
it.
It
would
be
so
helpful
to
have
signage
in
these
courts.
A
simple
thing
that
just
number
one
says
these
are
multi-purpose
courts,
so
that
that
message
alone
sends
a
message
that
we
play.
Tennis
we
play
pickleball.
AF
We
do
lots
of
things
out
here.
It
also
would
be
very
helpful
on
that
signage
to
have
some
time
limitations
for
people,
because
there's
kind
of
a
history
of
rules
that
are
invisible
in
most
communities.
You
know
you
do
things,
you
know
things.
I
talk
to
people
who've
been
playing
on
the
courts
a
long
time.
AF
They
know
things,
but
it's
not
written
down
anywhere,
and
I
think
that
alone
would
help
bring
collaboration
on
the
courts
and
then,
of
course,
we
would
really
love
to
see
you
consider
for
the
pic
the
tennis
courts
that
don't
have
pickleball
lines.
If
you
would
consider
painting
those.
So
even
if
we
can't
get
dedicated
course
today,
even
if
you
don't
have
the
money
to
invest
in
something
big,
the
small
things
are
a
great
gesture
for
this
community
and
we
would
be
most
appreciative
also.
AF
I
would
just
end
that
we
are
really
looking
seriously
for
a
partner.
I
have
been
attending
webinars
for
the
tourist
product
development
fund
and
really
getting
to
learn
all
that
understand
what
the
application
process
is,
and
I
would
say
to
all
of
you
if
you
know
a
partner
who
would
like
to
talk
to
us.
Please
let
us
know.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
A
Oh,
my
gosh
dee
pierce.
AD
AD
Now,
I've
interacted
with
several
of
you
gwen
sandra
esther,
in
my
pre-retirement
role
as
director
of
group
sales
for
the
explore
asheville
convention
and
visitors
bureau,
and
most
often
it's
been
at
annual
meetings
or
at
sporting
events
like
usta's
fed
cup
southern
conference
wrestling
events.
So
we
know
sports
plays
a
significant
role
in
this
city
and
not
just
in
terms
of
bringing
big
events
here.
AD
One.
Tennis
court
can
accommodate
two
pickleball
courts
now.
Currently
there
are
10
mixed-use
outdoor
public
courts,
courts
that
are
striped
for
tennis
and
pickleball.
This
situation
really
is
conflict-laden
depending
on
who
gets
to
the
court.
First,
you
can
have
one
tennis
court
occupied
by
two
players.
While
you
can
have
more
than
12
pickleball
players,
jockeying
for
use
of
that
same
court,
eight
to
play
and
four
to
rotate
in
nobody
wins
in
that
situation.
AD
Having
dedicated
courts
would
eliminate
the
court
conflict
between
these
different
user
groups
and,
unlike
other
sports,
that
people
can't
play
before
or
after
a
certain
age,
pickleball
runs
the
gambit.
The
average
age
for
all
players
is
41
years
old
in
2020.
69
percent
of
the
players
were
between
six
years
and
54
years
of
age
and
39
percent
of
the
people
who
play
are
women.
These
are
all.
According
to
sports
and
fitness
industry
associations,
top
line
participation,
report
pickleball
is
accessible,
it's
low
cost
to
play.
AD
The
cost
of
taking
it
up
is
approximately
35
dollars
for
paddles
and
balls,
and
there's
no
official
dress
code.
Now
pickleball
is
expected
to
continue
to
grow
exponentially
and
as
a
community,
we
need
to
be
prepared,
so
we'd
like
to
sit
at
the
table
and
provide
input
as
the
community
talks
about
the
allocations
of
dollars
and
resources.
E
E
E
From
my
experience
in
the
private
sector,
when
an
organization
is
planning
to
reorganize
some
valued
segment
of
its
operations.
The
first
thing
that
they
do
is
a
360
survey
of
the
current
state
of
affairs,
and
that
means
interviewing
the
people
who
are
doing
the
work
to
find
out
where
the
friction
points
are.
E
E
I
know
that
there
is
a
better
way
to
organize
boards
and
commissions.
In
fact,
it
sort
of
hurts
my
feelings
that
you've
said
that
no
one
has
suggested
how
it
could
be
better,
because
in
fact,
I
have
suggested
it
not
only
in
this
room,
but
also
as
a
participant
in
that
workshop
that
we
had
last
thursday.
E
AG
Thanks
maggie
well
one
day
back
in
1999,
probably
was
some
prodding
from
susan
roderick
of
quality
forward,
which
has
now
become
greenworks.
AG
AG
I'd
like
to
see
that
rebuilt,
it's
an
asset
to
the
city.
It's
a
gift.
AG
I
was
listening
to
the
willie
nelson
89th
birthday,
album
the
other
day
and
there's
a
line
in
there
about
taking
the
gift.
AG
AH
Hi
city
council,
I
emailed
you
all
on
sunday
night,
because
the
city
manager's
report
was
not
available
to
review
when
the
agenda
was
posted
on
friday
and
as
I
shared
with
you,
this
concerned
me
because
the
city
manager's
report
has
a
history
of
false
information,
specifically
false
data
presented
by
apd
officer
mike
lam,
and
that
needs
to
be
fact
checked.
Unfortunately,
we
can
no
longer
trust
these
reports.
The
report
wasn't
posted
until
today
and
lo
and
behold
here
comes
mike
lamb
back
to
present
data.
AH
The
last
time
his
false
crime
data
was
presented.
He
linked
so-called
crime
to
our
over-policed
and
under-resourced
on
house
neighbors,
and
we
were
told
not
to
get
caught
up
in
that
data,
even
after
a
data
analyst
reviewed
it
and
determined
it
to
be
false
and
misleading,
and
yet
here
we
are
with
questionable
information
and
no
time
in
which
to
review
it.
He
is
also
the
ringleader
working
against
folks
who
are
actively
trying
to
fill
gaps,
that
our
city
is
missing:
hot
meals
on
the
weekends.
AH
These
same
folks
created
a
beautiful
art
display.
That
said,
everyone
deserves
a
place
to
sleep
and
we're
subsequently
charged
with
felony
littering
I'm
not
going
to
stop
talking
about
how
apd
has
been
actively
targeting
local
mutual
aid
and
our
unhoused
neighbors,
and
they
have
taken
it
to
a
level
of
reply.
Repression
that
is
honestly
just
absolutely
egregious.
AH
Our
unhoused
population,
as
we
learned
tonight,
has
increased
21
percent
and
we
all
need.
We
need
all
the
community
support
that
we
can
possibly
get,
and
yet
we
continue
to
exacerbate
the
insecurities
of
folks
who
don't
have
their
needs
met
with
one
destruction
after
another,
and
the
only
place
folks
have
to
sleep
is
under
attack
and
the
beautiful
heartening
network
of
community
care
that
has
sprung
up
in
the
face
of
a
global
pandemic
and
growing
economic
equality
is
being
attacked
as
well.
AH
The
amount
of
city
resources
that
we
pay
for
as
community
members
to
go
after
the
asian
park
defendants
is
absurd.
They
had
a
series
of
individual
meetings
which
included
mike
lam
the
parks
and
rec
director
legal
staff.
Just
to
tell
folks
they
are
supposed
to
defend
themselves
against
charges.
They
have
no
information
about,
because
police
have
provided.
AH
No
evidence
against
them
and
then
they
banned
them
all
from
city
parks
for
three
years
parks
and
rec
is
being
used
as
an
arm
of
asheville
police
department
for
extra
judicial
punishment,
and
you
have
taken
this
just
way
too
far.
You're
violating
folks.
First
amendment
rights,
you're
conducting
a
retaliation
spree
in
plain
sight,
and
I
personally
cannot
wait
for
you
to
get
sued
yet
again,
which
you
absolutely
deserve.
We
will
continue
to
shine
a
light
on
this
situation.
AH
AH
AI
Hey
y'all,
how
you
doing
good
okay,
cool
cool
hi,
my
name
is
katie.
Hudson,
I'm
a
local
lived
here
as
an
adult
working
constantly
for
11
years
was
a
kid
growing
up
here
to
see
grandma
my
whole
life
so
kind
of
much
as
much
of
asheville.
I
chose
to
live
here
as
much
of
my
life
as
I
could.
AI
I
believe
that
you
guys
didn't
intend
to,
but
I
want
to
inform
you
you've
accidentally
committed
extrajudicial
censorship,
because
a
park
facility
is
one
of
the
last
remaining
traditional
public
forum
designations
in
our
city,
where
I
would
legally
be
able
to
protest,
perform
art
exercise,
my
freedom
of
religion
or
press.
That
is
I
I
just
want
you
to
know.
I'm
not
saying
I'm
I'm
like.
I
don't
have
the
power
to
do
anything.
You
know
I
work
in
asheville.
I
can't
afford
that.
AI
But
like
there
you
eventually,
if
you
let
the
parks
department,
ban
people
simply
for
being
charged
of
a
crime
prior
to
presenting
evidence
that
there
is
any
basis
for
that
charge.
People
will
and
rightfully
can
construe
that
as
censorship,
so
unfortunately
for
y'all
now
that
I'm
banned
from
the
park,
I'm
going
to
be
here
a
lot
more,
and
I
know
you
just
want
to
go
home
by
the
time.
The
public
comment
happens,
but
you
know
with
my
therapist
also
being
priced
out
of
asheville
who's
to
say
I
won't
become
more
unhinged.
AI
I
mean
I
know
you
want
people
to
present
very
rational
and
and
level-headed
arguments,
but
my
therapist
just
had
her
rent
raised
300
and
she
can't
even
stay
here
anymore.
You
are
only
going
to
increase
the
homeless
population
and
people
going
through
crisis.
If
you
continue
to
price
out
people
who
provide
the
mental
health
care
and
non-profit
labor
that
we
are
depending
on
to
solve
the
homelessness
crisis,
I
understand
and
appreciate
and
value
the
managers
report
tonight.
AI
If
you
continue
to
price
out
everyone
that
would
be
working
on
these
projects,
you're
funding
with
arpa
and
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
protest
or
legally
peacefully
dissent
if
we
are
banned
from
public
forums,
we
being
anyone
who
wants
to
say
something
or
else
you're
gonna
have
to
listen
to
my
bad
stand-up
comedy.
AI
A
Z
Hey
it's
me
again,
another
person
who
comes
here
all
the
time
as
jonathan
wainscott
citizen
running
for
mayor
for
at
least
one
more
week
anyway,
as
the
mayor
mentioned
in
the
forum
the
other
day,
I
come
to
council
quite
a
lot
kind
of
a
regular
and,
as
miss
mosley
has
said,
I
hold
your
feet
to
the
fire
and
yeah.
I
do
that.
Z
I've
also
heard
one
time
from
miss
smith.
If
I
may,
she
thanked
me
for
coming
to
council
and
bringing
some
moments
of
levity,
which
I
found
to
be
odd,
because
I
usually
do
spill
a
lot
of
tea
and
you
know
try
to
disrupt
things
a
little
bit.
I
have
four
things
that
I
can
point
to
that
I've
actually
accomplished
by
coming
to
council.
Just
as
a
common
citizen,
there
was
the
riverside
drive
wet
spot
that
this
city
neglected
to
take
care
of.
Z
It
was
creek
on
on
city-owned
property
that
froze
one
day
and
caused
a
fatal
collision,
and
I
came
to
city
council
and
let
them
know
that
this
was
happening
and
12
hours
later,
the
city
was
working
on
it
24
hours,
something
I
did
coming
to
council.
Z
You
know
some
action
was
taken
and
then
you
know
the
black
wall
street
lease
when
black
wall
street
was
all
set
to
pay
18
000
a
year
on
their
lease,
and
I
emailed
you
guys
the
night
before
about
eight
o'clock
and
the
next
day
that
was
changed
and
saved
black
wall
street
160
thousand
dollars
put
gas
in
their
tank,
and
I
wrote
the
floyd
mckissick
senior
proclamation
and
I
changed
vj
kapoor's
mind
when
it
came
to
our
charter
election.
Z
So
I've
done
done
some
things
and
they're
small
and
I'm
not
real
interested
in
talking
about
that.
I'm
not
really
into
self-promotion.
That
way.
Z
The
best
thing
that
I've
accomplished
over
the
last
couple
of
years
is
making
some
friendships
and
coming
into
the
room
and
seeing
that
people
actually
are
interested
to
hear
what
I
have
to
say
and
leaving
the
room
and
being
thanked
for
it.
And
you
know
I'm
gonna
keep
doing
that
after
next
week
is
over.
Probably
the
next
time
that
I
see
you
I'll
just
be
citizen
wayne
scott
again
and
I'm
going
to
continue
to
come
here
and
challenge.
Z
I
appreciate
all
that
you
are
doing
as
serving
members
and
everyone
who's
running
as
a
candidate,
and
you
know
if
I
take
a
little
bit
of
a
break,
I'm
just
getting
a
little
bit
of
a
reset.
But
if
you
are
the
mayor
for
the
next
four
years
esther,
you
know
that
I'll
be
part
of
that.
Z
A
Okay,
that
was
the
last
person
signed
up
to
speak
and
our
groups
left,
but
peggy
or
pig.
I
guess
we're
calling
you
now
is.
A
A
I
don't
know
it's
just
a
quandary,
so
this
property
is
was
not
built
by
the
the
playground
was
not
built
by
the
city,
but
the
city
apparently
agreed
to
maintain
it
for
the
first
five
years
of
its
life.
It
was
built
20
years
ago
or
something
like
that
and
it's
on
now
a
city,
school
property.
A
The
city
school
system
sent
us
all
an
email
because
I'm
on
their
list
in
august,
saying
it
was
going
to
have
to
be
demolished
and
as
soon
as
the
funds
were
raised,
they
would
build
it
back
and
the
funds
have
been
raised.
But
now
they're
saying
and
we've
had
many
meetings
with
them
with
I've
had
personally
meetings
with
them
and
with
the
county
and
so
on
and
so
forth,
and
they
have
said
they
don't
feel
that
it
is
actually
a
school
park.
A
They
have
other
parks
that
surround
jones
elementary,
which
is
true
that
are
closer
to
the
school
and
that
this
really
turned
more.
It
was
more
used
as
a
neighborhood
park.
I
would
argue
it
was
probably
both
because
my
kids
all
went
to
jones
and
they
played
on
that
playground.
So,
but
in
any
event,
it's
gone
and
and
the
funds
have
been
raised
to
rebuild
it
the
so
I
had
a
conversation
with
the
county
manager.
A
In
this
odd
situation,
the
county
is
actually
responsible
for
the
capital
and
maintenance
for
the
city
school
system,
so
the
county
has
said
that
they
would
be
willing
to
step
in
and
basically
manage
the
rebuilding
of
the
project,
but
they
they.
They
too
do
not
want
to
take
it
on
to
their
books
and
have
the
long-term
maintenance
responsibility.
A
So
you
know
I
I
don't
know
enough
about
what
that
responsibility
would
mean.
I
know
what
folks
have
said
it
will
mean:
I
mean
they.
They
have
done
their
own
research
and
assured
us
that
it's
fifteen
hundred
dollars
a
year
to
maintain,
of
course,
it's
not
just
fifteen
hundred
dollars
a
year
to
maintain
because
there
is
going
to
be.
I
don't
know
if
that's
accurate
one
and
two
there's
a
replacement
that
will
eventually
be
a
replacement
cost
for
it
as
well.
A
So
what
I
would
ask
council
is:
are
you
willing
to
consider
putting
this
on
our
next
agenda
to
consider
whether
or
not
to
ask
staff
to
evaluate
this?
Ask
I'm
not
I'm
not
asking
for
the
item
to
be
like
vote
for
it
or
not.
I'm
asking
for
it
to
be
on
the
agenda
publicly
notice
that
folks
can
come
and
give
their
input
so
that
we
can
give
some
direction
because
at
this
point
we're
just
continuing
to
get
emails
and
there's
no.
You
know
response
mayor
tonight.
P
P
You
know
just
around
the
corner
off
of
beaver
dam
had
great
wonderful
experiences
in
that
area.
Great
childhood,
but
something
happened
in
2
2016
that
has
kind
of
altered
the
way
I
think
of
the
area,
and
some
may
remember
or
may
not
know
or
know
the
name
of
candace
pickens
candace
pickens
was
a
young
black
woman
in
her
early
20s
in
her
first
trimester
of
pregnancy,
who
was
in
jones
park
playing
with
her,
then
three-year-old
son.
P
She
did
not
live
by
the
grace
of
god.
He
did
he's
a
little
boy,
who's
now
maimed
and
he
suffered
obviously
traumatic
brain
injury.
P
So
it
seems
to
me
if
we're
going,
to
consider
doing
anything
to
that
park
at
this
time,
knowing
that
black
women
are
disproportionately
victims
of
domestic
violence,
I
think
we
cannot
move
forward
without
considering
some
way
to
honor
the
life
and
memory
of
candace
pickens.
I
haven't
had
the
opportunity
to
speak
to
a
parent
or
anything.
It
just
came
to
me
when
we're
on
break.
P
So
if
we
can
figure
out
and
pickens
is
a
common
asheville
name,
I
don't
know
the
family
personally,
but
I
know
I
probably
know
somebody
who
knows
if
we're
going
to
move
forward
just
to
amend
what
you
said,
I
would
also
encourage
staff
or
whomever
to
find
out
from
the
school,
the
county
or
whatever
entities
are
involved,
what
it
would
take
to
rename
that
park
after
candace
pickens
if
her
family
so
desired.
A
Yeah
I
I
I
actually
attended
a
like
a
vigil
after
her
death
and
her
family
was
there
some
of
her
father,
I
believe,
was
there,
so
I
think
I
think
we
could
locate
the
family
so
so
so
I'm
you
know
this
isn't
on
the
agenda
tonight.
So
again,
I
am
only
asking
that
it
be
put
on
our
agenda
for
consideration
about
whether
or
not
we
want
to
ask
staff
to
evaluate
it
because
they
have
not.
A
We
don't
have
anything
to
base
a
decision
on
yet,
in
other
words,
we'd
have
to
ask
staff
to
look
at
it
for
us
and
bring
back
some
information.
I
will
say
one
of
my
concerns
was
that
the
pricing
may
be
incorrect.
Their
estimates
may
be
wrong
and
we
get
a
double
the
number
and
all
of
a
sudden
it
turns
into
oh.
Can
you
make
up
the
difference?
A
That
is
not
a
road
I
want
to
go
down.
We
don't
have
that
budgeted.
We
are
doing
a
lot
of
park,
work
right
now
and
that's
not
in
the
budget.
What
what
the
county
manager
told
me
is
that
she
would.
She
would
look
at
a
process
where,
basically,
they
would
issue
an
rfp
saying
these
are
the
funds.
What
can
you
you
know?
What
can
you
build
for
these
funds
and
it
you
know
I
don't
we
don't
know
what
the
results
of
that
would
be.
A
It
may
not
be
what
the
vision
is
for
the
community,
so
this
is
some.
This
is
preliminary.
So
anyway,
that's
my
that's
my
ask
for.
D
You
guys
so
I
have
a
process
question
if
someone
were
to
do
the
same
thing
for
say,
walton,
street
pool
or
other
community
garden
efforts,
or
something
like
that,
we
would
be
able
to
ask
to
do
the
same
kind
of
maintenance
agreement.
What
would
the
process
be?
What
kinds
of
boards
and
commissions
would
we
expect
to
seek
advice
from
before
we
were
to
go
to
a
staff
recommendation
to
council.
A
So
we
we
totally
have
a
process
for
this
when
it's
city
property-
and
we
just
did
it
in
hawk
creek
accepted
funds
donated
funds
to
build
a
parking
lot
that
abutza
park.
I
mean
we
have
a
very
clear
process
and
that
community
groups
work
with
parks
and
rec
staff.
They
elevate
it
through
their
system
and
it
ends
up
coming
to
council
through
the
staff
through
a
staff
process.
A
D
Want
to
see
it
at
a
at
a
council
meeting,
and
I
want
to
see
what
it's
skipping
the
process
like.
What
is
what
is
in
the
what's
in
the
queue
so
that
we
know
what
what
we're
leaping
over.
Even
though
it's
a
partnership,
it's
still
becoming
a
city
park
officially,
so
our
maintained.
L
Park
well
and
yeah.
This,
for
me,
is
if
we
are
going
to
ask
staff
to
look
at
this.
I
would
like
to
see
it
was.
It
was
a
new
park
in
north
asheville.
Where
is
that
on
our
priority
list?
You
know
if
we,
if
it
is
on
the
priority
list,
would
it
look
like
jones
park,
which
is
there's
there's
very
few
it
it's
it's
hard
to
get
there
in
a
car
or
it's
hard
to
park
there.
L
It's
you
know,
there's
it's
really
really
a
neighborhood
situation,
I
mean,
and
you
know,
given
the
fact
that
we
are
having
a
very
difficult
time
funding
our
our
current
assets,
and
I
mean
you
know
we
had
a
big
long
explanation
during
the
retreat
about
how
we
are
behind
like
crazy
on
all
of
our
other
prop
on
all
of
our
other
properties
and
we're
not
maintaining
them.
Is
it
a
wise
thing
to
do
it?
Would
staff
recommend
that
we
add
this?
L
Add
this
asset,
including
all
the
related
expenses
associated
with
it
and
and
you
know,
and
and
is
it
equitable
frankly
I
mean
I,
I
think
it's
great.
I
think
it's
wonderful
that
the
community
has
come
forward
with
this
with
this,
this
funding,
but
in
a
less
wealthy
neighborhood,
they
probably
don't
have
friends
and
family
around
that
are
going
to
put
300
000
into
a
park,
and
so
is
this.
Is
this
the
kind
of
thing
that
we
should
be?
I
mean,
should
we
take
into
account
the
equity
of
this
decision.
F
F
A
Really,
no
other,
I
mean
other
than
calling
around
and
saying
hey.
Can
you
do?
Is
everyone
cool
if
we
put
it
on
the
agenda?
It
was
just,
I
think,
a
little
easier
to
just
have
this
discussion.
If
so,
yes,
it
would
just
be
on
the
agenda
to
say
dude.
F
F
A
A
Know
that
land,
so
the
land,
so
city
schools
are
their
capital
and
maintenance
is
paid
for
by
buncombe
county
commission
and
the
land
was
actually
until
recently
owned
by
buncombe
county
because
they
were
the
finance
they
were
held,
the
mortgage.
They
have
paid
off
the
mortgage
and
conveniently
just
deeded
this
property
back
to
the
school
system.
M
A
They
did
so
now,
it's
held
by
the
school
system
and
the
school
system
saying
we'd
be
glad
to
lease
it
to
you
for
a
dollar
and
we
support
this
project,
which
is
which
is
great.
I
mean
I,
you
know
I
that,
because
they're,
it's
not
going
to
cost
them
anything
to
do
that.
So
so
it's
pretty
clear
that
no
one
else
is
going
to
step
up,
which
is
a
theme
we're
hearing
tonight.
A
So
I
I'm
you
know
I
just
I
just
hate
that
the
challenge
we
have
with
the
different
governmental
entities
ends
up
resulting
in
this
park,
not
getting
rebuilt
when
the
funds
have
been
raised.
I
mean,
I
think
it's
a
little
bit
of
a
head
scratcher
for
the
community,
not
to
understand
why
that
is
so
challenging,
but
we
know
why
it's
challenging
I'm
not
denying
that
it
is,
and
I'm
I'm
I'm
anyway.
But
again.
If
this
were
city-owned
property,
we
wouldn't
even
be
having
this
discussion.
A
There
are
private
partnerships
that
happen
all
the
time
I
mean
the
rose
garden
in
north
asheville
was
just
completely
redone
in
partnership
with
the
city
did
not
even
come
to
this
city
council.
In
partnership
with
the
community
that
raised
private
funds
to
add
amenities
to
that
park,
I
mean
it.
It
happens.
It
happens
all
the
time.
It's
just.
This
property
is
not
owned
by
us.
So
there's
not
a
process
to
do
this.