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January 14, 2020
Asheville City Council Meeting
A
C
A
D
Thank
you,
Mary
thank
you.
City
Council,
Kimberly,
RT,
director
of
equity
and
inclusion
here,
the
city
of
Asheville
and
we're
very
excited
today
to
recognize
national
day
and
healing
again
our
second
year,
something
different
this
year
than
what
we
had
going
on
last
year's
that
we've
actually
stepped
a
toe
as
a
city
into
the
racial
healing
process
with
the
community
and
the
way
that
we've
done
that
this
year
is
that
we
used
some
of
our
general
funds
in
the
equity
in
the
office
of
equity
and
inclusion.
D
We
coupled
it
with
a
mini
grant
that
we
received
from
the
government
Alliance
on
raising
equity
and
we
were
able
to
put
RFQ
or
a
P
type
of
a
request
out
there.
We
received
35
I,
think
applications
all
together
for
some
mini
grant
funds
by
groups,
individuals,
people
that
are
considered
healing
emotional
healing
practitioners
in
the
Asheville
area
that
were
interested
in
these
mini
grant
funds.
D
A
Is
it
on
now?
It
is
I'm.
Gonna
read
the
proclamation,
whereas
we
understand
and
recognize
that
there
is
a
racial
divide
in
Asheville
and
this
country
that
we
must
all
work
earnestly
to
heal
the
wounds
created
by
racial,
ethnic
and
religious
bias
and
discrimination
and
build
an
equitable
and
just
society
so
that
all
people
can
thrive.
A
And
whereas
all
people
have
the
right
to
be
provided
every
opportunity
to
learn,
grow
and
thrive
in
nurturing
environments
and
people
of
color
experience,
unique
obstacles
that
prevent
their
access
to
opportunity
as
a
result
of
historical
and
current
systems,
policies
and
practices.
And
whereas
the
economies
of
Asheville
and
Asheville
communities
and
across
this
country
are
oppressed
by
racial
inequities
that
exist
across
systems
and
structures.
And
whereas
every
individual
has
the
capability
to
make
a
change
in
perspective.
That
can
have
a
profound
effect
on
their
neighbors
and
an
entire
society.
A
And
whereas,
if
we
all
activate
the
principles
of
truth,
racial
healing
and
transformation,
we
can
bring
about
the
necessary
changes
in
thinking
and
behavior.
That
will
propel
the
city
of
Asheville
forward
as
a
unified
community,
where
racial,
biases
and
racial
inequities
will
become
a
thing
of
the
past.
Whereas.
A
Funding.
Now,
therefore,
I
Oscar
manheimer,
mayor
of
the
city
of
Asheville,
do
hereby
proclaim
that
this
city
honors
and
recognizes
January
21st
2020
as
National
Day
of
racial
healing
and
in
Asheville,
and
urge
all
people
to
promote
racial
healing
and
transformation
in
the
ways
that
are
best
suited
to
them
individually
as
a
means
to
working
together
to
ensure
the
best
quality
of
life
for
every
person.
C
F
The
of
the
racial
healing
grant
was
fine
for
the
amount
of
money.
It
was
a
fuss
to
start
to
start
the
work,
but
in
order
for
us
to
be
recognized
as
doing
the
work
is
gonna
take
more
than
just.
You
know
us
proclaiming
that
this
certain
day
is
gonna,
be
a
day
racial
healing.
It
has
to
be
saying
it
has
to
be
really
address
and
has
to
be
addressed
up
intentionally.
I
I
brought
my
six
and
seven
year
old
here
today,
so
that
can
actually
see
how
the
process
works.
F
Then,
hopefully,
I
can
bring
the
more,
but
they
got
basketball
practice
in
a
few
minutes.
No
won't
be
here
that
long,
but
for
me
it's
not
is
I,
won't
see
the
fruits
of
the
labor,
but
I
want
my
six
and
simio
to
see
the
fruits
of
the
labor.
So
I
don't
want
this
to
be
just
okay.
We're
gonna
make
this
a
day.
That's
been
attention
about
the
actions
we're
gonna
take
in
order
to
make
this
day
will
it
mean
something?
Thank
you
for
your
time.
A
H
A
A
B
Okay,
Thank
You,
mayor
I,
think
you've
given
pretty
much
my
introduction
at
these
meetings,
I'm
going
to
try
to
provide
with
staff,
support
and
help
information
on
your
strategic
initiatives.
This
particular
update
is
going
to
be
on
transit
and
it
falls
in
your
focus
area
of
transportation
and
accessibility.
We
provided
some
of
this
information
at
an
earlier
meeting
at
your
work
session,
but
we
wanted
to
cover
it
again
in
a
little
bit
more
more
detail
so
now
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
Jessica
Morris
to
provide
that
update,
Thank,
You,
Jessica
good.
I
Evening
Jessica
Morris
assistant,
director
of
transportation
first
I
just
wanted
to
start
out
by
bringing
bringing
forward
and
reminding
everyone
that
this
is
the
trend.
Amending
the
transit
master
plan
is
one
of
the
primary
strategies
of
the
council.
Specifically,
it
is
strategy
e2
and
it
calls
for
implementing
the
first
year.
Recommendations
of
the
transit
master
plan
in
the
short
term
and
I
wanted
to.
You
know
note
that
we
did
successfully
launch
a
service
increase
on
January
5th.
I
It
was
not
all
of
the
recommendations
of
the
first
year
of
the
master
plan,
but
about
half
of
them
and
represented
about
a
25
percent
service
increase,
which
is
substantial,
and
we
work
diligently
on
that
from
the
moment.
Well,
before
the
moment,
you
pass
the
budget
to
January
5th
and
we
continue
to
work
on
that
and
I
would
like
to
report
that
we've
received
a
lot
of
positive
feedback.
So
far
we
had
some
good
media
attention.
I
There
were
a
lot
of
steps
involved
in
doing
this
increase,
not
you
know,
the
least
of
which
was
new
maps
and
schedules,
but
there
was
a
lot
of
attention
and
detail
paid
to
looking
at
our
existing
routes,
trying
to
make
sure
that
we
could
achieve
better
on-time
performance
and
implementing
new
routes
as
well.
We
have
added
frequency
on
some
routes,
and
so
you
know
I
want
to
make
it
clear
that
this
is
not
not
the
end.
This
is
just
the
just
the
beginning.
I
The
chart
at
the
bottom
of
this
slide
shows
how,
over
the
last
few
years
and
up
to
what
we're
projecting
for
this
coming
fiscal
year,
the
increases
that
we've
seen
to
paratransit,
much
of
which
is
related
to
the
number
of
users
and
the
miles
of
the
trips
of
those
users
and
just
to
remind
folks
a
little
bit
about
what
paratransit
is.
It
is
it's
a
contract
that
the
city
has
with
Buncombe
County
mountain
mobility
and
it
provides
door-to-door
transportation
service
for
eligible
riders
that
have
a
disability.
I
So
this
is
something
that
the
city
is
required
to
provide.
If,
if
you
have,
if
you
have
a
public
transit
agency
with
a
fixed
route
system
like
we
do,
then
we
also
have
to
provide
similar,
an
equal
service
to
folks
with
disabilities,
and
so
we've
seen
that
service
get
used
more,
which
is
a
good
thing.
But
with
that,
we
also
have
seen
increased
costs.
I
I
forgot
to
mention
that,
so
historically,
the
city
has
provided
more
than
the
minimum
federal
requirements,
so
the
federal
requirement
for
paratransit
is
to
provide
that
service
within
three-quarters
of
a
mile
of
your
fixed
route
service.
So,
if
you
imagine
our
transit
routes
and
you
draw
a
buffer
of
three-quarters
of
a
mile
around
those
routes,
that
would
be
where
you
would
to
require,
you
would
have
to
provide
paratransit
service.
However,
the
city
has
has
historically
gone
above
and
beyond
that
and
treated
kind
of
the
city
as
a
whole.
I
Back
in
October,
when
we
did
our
last
transit
update,
council
asked
us
to
continue
to
monitor
the
budget
for
this
current
fiscal
year
that
we're
in
to
see
if
there
would
be
an
opportunity
to
implement
the
last
portion
of
the
first
year
of
the
master
plan
and
that
consisted
of
extension
of
the
hours
of
operation.
And
so
after
October.
We
worked
diligently
to
come
up
with
a
cost
estimate
for
that
working
with
our
contractor
to
really
dial
in
on
what
would
be
necessary
to
extend
the
hours
of
operation.
I
We've
estimated
that
it
will
cost
approximately
1.1
million
dollars,
and
that
represents
a
full
year.
So
that
represents
a
12-month
cost
to
extend
the
hours
of
operation,
which
would
essentially
complete
your
strategy
II,
which
would
be
to
implement
the
first
year
recommendations
of
the
transit
master
plan.
I
I
The
first
one
is
what
I
just
talked
about
with
the
cost
estimate
for
the
completion
of
year,
one
of
the
master
plan,
which
it
will
be
about
1.1
million
dollars
embedded
in
that
number,
is
some
funding
for
operational
software
updates
and
purchase
of
new
software.
As
we
as
our
system
grows,
our
technology
needs
grow,
and
so
we
have
to
be
able
to.
I
You
know
continue
to
grow
that
resource
and
then
the
second,
the
second
enhancement
request,
is
to
do
the
second
year
of
the
transit
master
plan,
and
the
estimate
for
this
is
also
1.1
million
dollars.
I
would
like
to
say
that
that
is
a
looser
estimate,
because
we
have
not
sat
down
with
our
contractor
and
really
dialed
those
numbers
and
but
based
on
the
the
level
and
the
number
of
service
hours
that
it
represents.
I
So
in
summary,
we
successfully
launched
the
first
half
of
the
first
year
of
the
TMP
and
we
are
unfortunately
in
a
shortfall
right
now
in
this
current
fiscal
year
budget
for
transit,
so
we're
not
suggesting
that
it's
likely
to
be
able
to
implement
the
second
half
of
the
first
year
of
the
master
plan.
But
it
is
something
that
we
have
submitted
for
consideration
during
your
upcoming
budget
process
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
J
Question
Yee:
can
you
flip
back
to
the
previous
slide?
Okay,
so
the
1.14
in
the
second
set
of
things,
the
additional
service
is
that
so
you're
asking
for
1.1,
which
would
be
a
full
year
of
the
extended
hours?
Are
we
actually
thinking
that
we
could
get
to
implementation
of
that
by
July
1
or
are
we?
Are
we
really
talking
about
allocate
the
money
in
July
and
then
start
the
service
in
January
or
some
the.
I
I
wanted
to
show,
though
the
full
cost
case
can
ya
the
full
cost,
because
you
know
just
like
we
were
talking
about
in
the
budget
workshop.
What
you
commit
to
you
for
a
partial
year.
That's
right
is,
as
you
know,
keep
it
going
so
I
I
do
not
expect
that
we
would
start
July
1st.
It
would
be
logistically
very
challenging
for
for
not
only
for
us,
but
for
our
our
contractor,
so
I
think
the
start
time
of
October
1st
would
be
the
earliest
that
we
feel
comfortable
with
making
that
change.
Okay,.
K
K
I
Well,
it's
a
it's
a
combination
of
a
couple
things.
Well,
maybe
three
things.
First
of
all,
we've
seen
higher
ridership
and
longer
trips.
So
that's
part
of
the
increase.
The
the
second
thing
would
be
if
you
look
particularly
between
what
we've
estimated
for
this
current
fiscal
year,
so
the
second
to
last
column
versus
what
we're
estimating
for
next
fiscal
year.
That
jump
has
primarily
to
do
with
the
contractor
that
it
was
so
we
contract
to
the
county
and
then
the
county
contracts
to
an
operator
and
their
contract
between
the
county
and
the
operator.
I
It
ends
this
fiscal
year,
and
so
there
will
be
going
undergoing
a
negotiation
process
for
that
contract,
and
the
expectation
is
that
the
rates
that
we
have
had
locked
in
to
the
current
contract
will
go
up
based
on
what
we're
seeing
across
across
the
region
for
paratransit.
So
that
is
the
primary
reason
for
that
jump.
The
the
third
reason
has
to
do
with
our
contract
with
Buncombe
County.
I
K
I
K
So
we've
got
2.5
million
dollars
in
base
budget
again,
that
is,
that
is
simply
maintaining
the
same
level
of
service
for
the
full
year
next
year.
That's
gonna
cost
an
additional
2.5
million
in
terms
of
it.
So
that's
that's.
The
dollar
amount
in
terms
of
percentage-wise
of
budget.
What
is
what
is
that?
What
is
that?
Roughly?
Do
you
have
a
sense
of
what
that
is
operationally?
Would
that
that
percentage
term,
a
percentage
increase
would
be
from.
K
K
About
roughly-
and
we
can
find
that
number,
but
it's
not
like
three
percent
or
two
percent-
you
know
it's
a
it's
a
very
it's
it's
a
very
substantial
imbalance.
So
the
third
question
is-
and
this
is
repeating
a
lot
from
our
previous
work
session-
there's
some
folks
here
who
haven't
been
here,
but
there's
been
some
discussion
from
from
folks
about
instituting
fair,
free
transit
and,
and
that
perhaps
being
a
concept
that
we
could
think
about.
One.
E
K
Things
that
I
learned
from
the
budget
session
that
I
didn't
realize
I
just
wanted
you
to
confirm
is
that
if
we
move
to
fare
free
transit
for
regular
service,
we
would
also
have
to
move
by
law
to
fare
free
transit
for
paratransit,
which
in
all
likelihood
would
increase
our
costs
and
would
also
increase
usage,
because
those
folks
who
have
to
pay
a
little
bit
now
wouldn't
have
to
pay
anything
to
use
the
paratransit
system.
It's.
I
Exact,
that's
correct,
so
we
are
only
allowed
to
charge
for
paratransit
twice
as
much
that
we
took
that
we
charge
for
fixed
route,
and
so
our
fares
for
fixed
route
or
a
dollar
ride.
So
we
went
2-0
fare
then
zero
times.
B
was
0
and
I
think
that
it's
important
to
note
that
that
I
mean
ther
free
is
something
that
the
city's
been
interested
in
for
a
long
time.
I
I
think
it's
great,
but
we
also
have
to
be
careful
that
we
couple
that,
with
increased
frequency
on
our
routes,
because
you're
going
to
see
a
huge
demand
increase
that
happened
during
the
trial
that
you
guys
did
for
a
summer.
I
can't
remember
when
that
was
maybe
like
2006
or
2008,
but
there
was
a
very
large
service
demand
increase
and
that's
what
every
other
city
that's
done.
This
has
experienced,
and
so
you
don't
want
to
make
things,
make
it
free
increase
your
demand
substantially
and
then
not
have
the
service
to
make
it
worthwhile.
L
Since
we're
repeating
things
that
we
talked
about
at
the
budget
work
session,
some
members
of
the
community
have
suggested
that
our
buses
are
not
at
capacity
or
they're
they're,
not
full,
and
therefore
fare
free
really.
Wouldn't
then
that
would
fill
up
our
buses
as
opposed
to
cause
cause
an
overage.
L
C
L
L
Therefore,
the
idea
that
it's
just
a
loss
of
revenue
is
not
really
is
not
really
reflective
of
the
correct
situation.
It
would
act
there
to
also
be
not
only
the
loss
in
revenue
of
about
700
thousand,
possibly
more
with
the
paratransit,
but
also
we
would
almost
be
required
to
have
more
services,
so
it
could
be
a
significant
increase
to
the
budget,
and
that
is
not
contemplated
anywhere
on
this
slide.
No.
I
And
it's
not
contemplated
in
the
transit
master
plan,
either
yeah.
So
it's
it's
much
more
than
the
loss
of
the
fare
box
revenue.
It's
that
the
cost
is
a
lot
more
than
that,
because
we
would
need
to
add
service,
and
you
know,
obviously,
every
transportation
system,
whether
it's
cars
or
buses,
there's
a
peak
and
there's
a
not
peak.
So
there
are
times
of
the
day
when
it's
less
crowded,
but
one
of
the
differences
with
transit
and
roads
is
that
the
road
is
the
road
it's
there
and
with
transit.
I
J
You,
since
we're
repeating
things
from
the
budget
session,
I
will
point
out
that
you
know
I'm,
we
have.
None
of
us
have
been
in
the
conversations
that
you
all
have
been
having
with
the
county,
and
yes,
they've
been
very
generous
to
subsidize
us
for
this
period
of
time.
It's
unfortunate
that
they're
withdrawing
that
because,
as
as
we
all
know,
those
of
us
who
live
in
the
city
also
live
in
the
county
and
the
county
is
primarily,
if
not
exclusively
responsible
for
Health
and
Human
Services
services,
of
which
this
is
one
and
I.
J
I
would
hope
that
the
county
might
reconsider
this
in
the
course
of
their
budget
negotiations,
certainly
not
eliminating
the
existing
subsidy
and
and
perhaps
even
picking
up
additional
subsidy
so
that
we
can
do
what
we
are
uniquely
positioned
to
do,
which
is
to
expand
the
service.
The
county
cannot
expand
our
service,
but
the
more
money,
the
more
revenue
that
we
have
to
put
toward
covering
paratransit
the
less
we
the
potential
is,
the
less
we
get
to
expand
service.
We
know
our
people
need
expanded
service.
J
That
means
we
have
to
expand
paratransit
service
as
well
again.
I
think
the,
but,
between
the
the
two
things
that
the
city
and
the
county
can
do,
the
county
is
better
positioned,
particularly
if
they're
poised
to
make
additional
investment
in
transit
to
invest
in
paratransit
and
continuing
to
cover
the
subsidy
and
increase
that
so
that
we
don't
have
to
and
we
can
get
to
implementing
our
plan
and
improving
service
for
our
residents
as
fast
as
we
possibly
can
so
feel
free
to
take
that
message
back
to
them.
I'm.
C
A
Okay,
that
is
our
only
presentation
under
presentation
and
reports.
For
tonight
we
have
a
few
public
hearings,
see
if
we've
gotten
the
first
one
item
a
is
public
hearing
to
consider
an
amendment
to
a
previously
approved
conditional
zoning
approval
ordinance
number
four,
six
zero:
two
four:
the
rad
lofts
project
urban
place,
conditional
Zone
located
at
146
and
179
Roberts,
Street,
otherwise
known
as
the
old
Dave
Steele
site,
to
revise
conditions
related
to
affordability
and
just
got
your
here.
Thank.
M
You
mayor
members
of
the
council,
members
of
the
public,
this
is,
as
was
stated,
an
amendment
to
a
previously
approved
conditional
zoning.
We
have
counsel,
has
seen
this
project
a
number
of
times
and
I
provided
a
summary
of
the
very
brief
summary
of
those
different
reviews
in
the
staff
report.
The
project
as
a
whole
was
approved
initially
back
in
2013,
and
then
there's
been
a
shortage
of
amendments.
M
As
council
knows,
with
a
conditional
zoning,
we
have
that
list
of
conditions
that
are
specific
to
the
approval
and
we
don't
allow
for
much
deviation
at
all
administrative
leaf
from
the
way
that
those
conditions
are
spelled
out
and
that's
why,
when
there
is
a
change
proposed
by
the
applicant
in
the
course
of
their
pursuing
having
this
project
come
to,
life
will
often
have
to
come
back
for
these
amendments.
The
last
time
that
we
were
back
that
staff
was
back
before
you.
M
We
kind
of
put
a
range
into
the
conditions,
a
range,
a
minimum
and
maximum
for
a
number
of
units
for
a
number
of
parking
spaces
to
allow
for
some
of
that
fun
ability.
This
amendment
is
specifically
just
related
to
the
condition
that
is
prescribed
in
number,
eight,
that
related
to
the
amount
of
approve
of
affordability,
the
condition
that
was
in
that
last
approval
is
very
specific
and
provided
that
the
applicant
would
have
5%
of
the
units
designated
as
affordable,
with
the
remaining
95%
of
the
unit's
least
at
a
workforce,
housing
rate,
the
proposed
change.
M
The
only
change
that's
proposed
right
now
with
this
project,
is
detailed
on
the
screen
and
in
the
staff
report
to
revise
that
affordability
component,
so
that
the
applicant
would
provide
at
least
10%
of
the
overall
number
of
units
at
the
affordable
affordability
up
to
80%
ami
for
a
period
of
10
years.
So
it's
a
reduction
in
the
overall
amount
of
affordable
units.
They
were
all
designated
as
affordable
in
some
fashion,
and
this
proposal
is
is
for
that.
Just
10%
of
the
number
of
units
would
be
dedicated
as
affordable
to.
A
N
N
N
H
N
J
No
you,
you
actually
help
to
offer
some
clarity,
because
I
think
many
of
us
have
been
thinking
that
this
is
a.
It
looks
on
the
surface
like
a
big
step
back,
which,
which
is
you
know,
which
is
disappointing,
but
what
I?
What
I
think
I
hear
you
saying
that
it's
not
necessarily
because,
essentially
the
workforce
is
equivalent.
N
And
again,
HUDs
figures
that
we
get
published
once
a
year
are
always
a
little
bit
behind
and
why
100
percent
of
area
median
income
is
supposed
to
kind
of
fall
within
your
market
rates.
Usually
it's
behind
that
figure,
because,
right
now
our
market
rate
for
a
one-bedroom
might
come
in
at
$1,200
a
month.
So
just
depending
on,
where
am
I
rents,
are
it's
somewhat
similar,
but
so.
L
Yeah,
so
it
so
you're
right
in
the
sense
that
it
might
be
market
but
it,
but
we
also
had
a
limitation.
You
know,
because
you
know
he
theoretically,
if
he
goes
to
market
and
there's
no
definition
about
workforce
housing,
there
was
a
limitation
of
120
percent,
whereas
no
there's
not
that
limitation.
That's.
N
N
You
would
take
a
look
at
where
the
market
is
right
now
in
the
absorption
rate
and
exactly
what
the
markets
bearing
for
a
one
or
two
bedroom
apartment.
So,
even
though
the
ami
figures
from
HUD
might
say,
hey,
you're
doing
workforce
housing
and
the
limit
for
that
at
the
hundred
twenty
percent
ami
is
really
going
to
be
$1200
for
a
one-bedroom.
But
the
markets
saying
you
can
charge
thirteen
to
fourteen
hundred
dollars
for
a
one-bedroom,
then
in
the
market
and
if
there's
a
low
vacancy
rate,
they're
gonna
go
for
that
thirteen
to
fourteen
hundred
dollars.
N
J
N
You
did
to
find
it
back
then,
in
our
policies,
as
we've
moved
forward,
we've
really
focused
on
the
under
80
percent
area.
Median
income
I
believe
our
Housing
Trust
Fund
allows
for
some
funding
with
80
to
100
percent
of
AMI,
but
everything
we
got
everything
else
we
kept
at
80
percent
ami
are
below
right.
C
J
Change
right,
yeah,
can
you
maybe
one
or
both
of
you
talk
about
the
the
ten-year
period
of
affordability,
that
is,
that
is
less
than
we
normally
do
and
I
think
it's
less
than
we
understand
from
our
workshop
on
affordable
housing
last
year
that
that
typical
projects
can
absorb
I
mean
I,
think
what
we
normally
think
of
is
80%
ami
for
20
years.
So
can
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
sure
why
this
is
less
so.
N
peelers
wanted
to
stick
to
the
10-year
affordability
period
because
part
of
his
his
parcels
in
an
opportunity
zone
and
part
of
that
adjustment
to
the
tax
code
of
2017
is
there
is
a
kind
of
a
a
cash
out
period
after
ten
years
to
where
most
of
the
opportunities
and
investors
are
going
to
want
to
sell
that
investment
and
the
cap
is
10
years.
So,
if
you
kept
it
affordable
for
20
years
in
ten
years,
you'd
be
selling
something
with
restrictions
on
it.
J
O
M
E
L
M
C
P
J
J
You
did
and
and
I
appreciate
that,
and
you
know
you've
you've
come
back
with
something,
whereas
at
that
meeting
several
months
ago,
you
were
you
know
you
you
were
you
were
at
nothing,
so
something
is
better
than
nothing.
I
think
this
is
it's.
This
is
just
really
it's
really
hard
and
I
mean
I.
Understand
that
the
Luigi
is
20
is
20
years
is,
is
the
opportunity's
own
the.
P
Expensive
project
which
structured
parking-
you
know
this
is
not
a
garden
style
of
get
two
of
those
going
on
as
they're
easy.
The
fact
of
the
matter
is
this
is
a
very
expensive
project,
very
complicated
project
in
a
number
of
ways
and
the
95%
restricting
ninety-five
percent
of
the
income
stream
for
the
apartments
makes
it
or
it
cannot
be
financed
period.
Now
my
view
and
I,
you
know:
did
it
on
white
oak
and
West
Asheville
doing
10%
of
the
affordable
housing
component?
My
personal
view
is
the
cost
of
doing
business
in
Asheville.
J
L
J
P
The
incentives
don't
match
the
penalty
to
the
financing,
and
you
know,
and
five
years
ago,
when
we
we
worked
at
a
very,
very
specific
schedule.
I
think
the
mayor
was
probably
the
only
person
I
was
on
the
board
City
Council
at
that
time
very
meticulously
done
to
try
and
balance
private
sector
public
sector.
Okay,
would
the
Luigi-
and
there
was
a
window
of
time
in
which
that
made
perfect
economic
sense
in
the
subsequent
three
years.
It
makes
absolutely
no
economic
sense
at
all
and,
as
you
know,
put
put
us
in
a
we're
dead.
The
water.
P
P
P
It
needs
to
be
done
for
the
benefit
of
everyone
to
go,
stick
of
a
big
building
on
top
of
it,
with
it
being
as
old
as
92
years
old,
but
functioning
fine.
It's
an
infrastructure
issue
that
we
need
to
do
it
to
protect
our
own
property.
So
so
we
are
and
I
said,
that's
not
part
of
the
Luigi.
That's
a
separate
civil
improvement
issue.
Do.
A
P
No,
we
have
no
debt
yeah,
we've
got
five
million
dollars,
spent
cash,
no
debt,
okay,
so
we're
as
strong
as
anybody
in
the
marketplace
did
there's
so
many
variables
that
go
into
the
project
any
project,
it's
what
they
pay
for
the
land
at
the
time.
It's
what
the
site
improvement
of
a
retaining
walls
brownsfield,
as
you
mentioned
in
our
case,
we've
got
extra
million
bucks
to
do
a
storm
drain.
P
That
really
is
not
part
of
a
normal
scenario
for
other
developers
how
they
construct
it,
how
many
parking
spaces
in
the
garage,
whether
or
not
they
have
retail
and
frankly,
this
is
all
theoretical.
We
as
developers
take
risk.
We
use
these
third
parties,
spend
all
this
money
to
determine
whether
or
not
our
hypothesis
is
correct
or
not.
P
The
investment
market
is
telling
me
we're
not
going
to
invest
in
this
project
unless
we
have
the
potential
to
see
upside
on
the
income
stream
down
the
road
as
Asheville
grows
and
prospers
to
restrict
that
it's
not
worth
the
risk.
What
somebody
else's
project
is,
you
know
the
Devils
in
the
details,
Esther
I,
don't
know
what
they're
doing
right
and
maybe
what
I'm
doing
wrong.
But
having
said
that,
you
know
that
we
assigned
to
Jay
Jay
Adam
the
structure
development.
P
P
J
P
P
Sixty
seventy
percent
went
through
the
op
them
and
the
rest
were
just
direct
investors.
Obviously,
the
funds
that
have
been
advanced
so
far
on
the
project-
we're
not
opera,
seeing
these
own
because
they
predated
it.
The
IRS
conditions
on
ops
and
funds
were
pretty
much
up
of
speed.
I
would
suspect
that
half
or
maybe
a
little
more
than
half
of
your.
P
Yeah
investors,
who
are
professional
investors
that
would
have
an
interest
in
rad
loss
when
the
numbers
work
I
would
expect
most
of
them
to
come
out
of
the
option,
but
keep
in
mind
to
the
outside
was
a
ten-year
window
and
it
you
know
it.
It's
now,
nine
soon
to
be
eight,
so
the
attractiveness
abusing
that
diminishes
every
month
and.
P
It
was
my
suggestion
that
did
the
10%
I
didn't
turn
down
any
proposal
from
the
city
for
more
affordable
housing.
It's
it's
my
look,
my
view
as
a
local
who's
been
doing
projects
here
for
a
while
to
do.
10%
is
what
we
do
in
Asheville,
and
so,
when
I
walked
in
the
door
to
meet
with
city
staff,
it
was
I'll.
Do
the
10
percent,
but
I've
got
to
get
rid
of
the
95
percent
Luigi
workforce
housing
do.
N
So
when
we
met
with
Harrier
I
met
with
Harry
to
discuss
this
project
and
our
tools,
we
just
presented
all
the
possible
tools
we
had
to
offer.
The
Landis
incentive
grant
the
Housing
Trust
Fund
fee
rebates,
expedited
review
that
we
could
offer
Harry
to
be
a
part
of
this
project
and
we
had
a
good
discussion,
but
he
had
declined
that
he
would
want
to
use
any
of
our
tools
to
move
forward
except
outside
of
his
10%.
He
was
doing.
A
N
F
A
Right,
do
you
have
an
opinion
about
I
mean
you
know,
he's
saying
that
he
can't
use
these
tools
because
the
project
isn't
you
can't
finance
it
I
mean?
Do
you
have
any
opinion
about
that?
Are
you
I
mean
cuz?
You
know
we
have
had
to
change
our
policies
because
we've
had
trouble
getting
it
right
and
making
it
work
for
the
private
sector
to
take
advantage
of
the
tools
we
have
and
I'm
guess
I'm
concerned
we've
got
some
doing
it
I'm
not
doing
it
and
you
know
I
guess:
I
haven't.
N
Fully
looked
at
his
all
of
his
numbers
in
his
Performa
outside
of
our
discussion,
but
knowing
that
it's
in
an
opportunity
zone
I'd,
imagine
most
of
his
investors
were
a
partial
them,
are
gonna,
be
opportunities
on
investors,
so
they're
going
to
want
to
have
that
exit
strategy
at
the
end
of
that
adjustment
to
the
tax
code
for
those
ten
year
period,
which,
like
I
said,
is
now
down
to
nine
or
eight.
But
that's
what
I
would
imagine
is
not
to
speak
for
Harry
but
driving
a
part
of
that
I.
N
Think
in
in
general,
and
we've
talked
about
this
at
HUD.
Most
developers
can
come
to
the
table
to
do
10%
it's
at
80%
ami
for
20
years,
depending
on
the
type
of
bill
that
they're
bringing
forward
that
they
can
do
that
on
their
own
within
their
own
tools
to
again,
depending
on
the
build.
Our
tools
really
kick
in
when
you're
offering
more
affordability
is
what
we're
looking
to
do
with
the
Community
Development,
where
it
gets
up
to
20%,
deeper
ami
levels
longer
years.
So.
A
A
A
A
E
N
N
P
Providing
affordable
housing
and
taking
that
financial
hit
in
the
beginning
and
through
a
tenuous
10-year
period
say,
for
example,
excuse
me
it's
a
double
whammy:
that's
a
price
that,
frankly,
to
my
knowledge,
all
of
the
developers
in
Nashville
the
multifamily
have
been
willing
to
do
and
and
receive
some
incentives
which
we
do
not
want
when
you
go
beyond
10
years.
So
you
start
looking
at
exit
strategy.
P
It's
a
double
whammy:
you're,
taking
the
income
loss
during
the
whole
period,
but
you're
also
devaluing
that
particular
unit
that
you
built
ten
years
earlier
when
you
sell
it
and
that's
where
the
incentives
from
the
city
can
subsidize
and
help
take
that
double
whammy
burn
out
of
the
equation
that
10
to
20-year
program,
I,
think
from
a
private
sector
perspective.
That's
where
the
value
is.
A
Q
Madam
mayor
members
of
council,
my
name
is
Kristen
goldsmith
the
project
before
you
is
a
mediocre
project
at
best.
Yes,
it
includes
some
affordable
housing,
but
this
project
was
originally
supposed
to
be
100%,
affordable
at
varying
levels,
with
95%
of
units
rented
at
or
below
the
city's
baseline
for
workforce
housing.
Now
the
developer
is
asking
to
reduce
it
to
just
10%.
Q
The
city
has
said
that
our
standard
going
forward
for
affordable
housing
is
a
minimum
of
20%
at
planning,
and
zoning
staff
acknowledged
that
this
proposed
change
is
in
line
with
other
projects
that
we've
approved
in
the
past.
But
if
there's
one
thing
that
we've
learned,
it's
that
the
old
way
of
doing
things
isn't
working
I
was
at
the
meeting
when
the
developer
claimed
that
he
just
couldn't
make
the
numbers
work.
He
said
that
he's
already
spent
a
significant
amount
of
money
on
this
project
and
I
can
respect
that.
Q
But
he's
also
said
that
it's
a
difficult
site
with
significant
stormwater
issues.
As
we
said
tonight
that
need
to
be
addressed.
He
expects
this
project
will
undergo
significant
changes
through
the
value
engineering
process.
So
I
wonder
what
will
be
on
the
chopping
block
next.
For
me,
the
applicant
has
given
us
every
reason
to
turn
down
his
request.
This
project
does
not
meet
our
goals
for
affordability.
Q
I
want
affordable
housing,
I
want
as
many
units
as
we
can
get,
but
I
am
not
willing
to
trade
away
the
precious
little
land
we
have
available
for
a
mediocre
project
that
will
not
serve
the
needs
of
our
community.
If
this
developer
can't
make
the
math
work,
maybe
someone
else
can
I
have
stated
many
times
that
we
need
to
bring
our
policies
in
line
with
our
values
and
so
tonight,
I'm
asking
council
to
consider
the
goals
and
the
values
we've
staked
out
for
our
community
and
turn
down
this
applicants
request.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
A
A
A
J
We
adopted,
we
adopted
a
policy
on
Opportunity
Zones
a
year
and
a
half
ago.
I
can't
quite
remember
when
I've
been
looking
in
my
email,
because
I
think
we
were
passing
it
back
and
forth
at
some
point.
Paul
and
I
can't
find
it,
but
can
somebody
put
their
hands
on
it
in
the
next
before
we
take
a
vote?
What.
J
So
there's
the
time
here
so
there's
language
in
there.
That
basically
said
what
it
is
that
council
is
striving
for
for
projects
in
an
opportunity,
zone
and
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
to
know
helpful
to
have
that
language
in
front
of
us
so
that
we
can
make
a
determination
if
this
project
meets
that,
even
even
in
its
proposed
to
change
state
whether
it
meets
that
I.
N
N
N
A
O
O
In
our
council,
check-ins
I
had
a
couple
of
comments.
One
comment
was
the
ability
to
be
able
to
track
resolutions
as
they
pertain
to
what
is
coming
in
front
of
Council.
This
is
this
illustrates
that
I'll
leave
that
part
alone.
The
second
part
is
I'm
a
bit
disappointed
in
the
recommendation
from
staff
at
this
point,
considering
that
what
we
just
heard
does
not
align
with
what
we
want
the
opportunity
zone
right
down.
The
street
is
a
predominantly
african-american
neighborhood
and
this
sort
of
development
promotes
gentrification.
O
We
had
a
huge
budget,
not
budget
work
session,
a
work
session
in
September
of
last
year
about
affordable
housing
and
just
two
and
I've
actually
still
got
my
copies
of
stuff
from
that
work.
Session
and
I'll
just
go
through
some
of
the
information
that
we
were
presented,
greater
than
30
percent
or
44
them
from
the
bolan
report
of
2019
46
percent
of
renter's
our
cost
burden,
nearly
20%
of
renters,
are
severely
cost
burden.
O
Nowhere
in
the
United
States
can
a
worker
earning
minimum
wage
full-time
afford
a
two-bedroom
home
at
fair
market
rate
and
only
28
counties
in
the
entire
United
States
can
a
full-time
minimum-wage
worker
afford
a
one-bedroom
rental
home
in
for
a
fair
market
rate.
The
lowest
income
earners
are
the
most
cost
burden,
most
wages
and
salaries
and
incomes
we
produce
in
our
area,
don't
support
the
average
housing
cost
in
Asheville,
both
rental
and
on
a
ship.
Aside
from
that,
we
talked
about
funding
subsidy
investment
for
these
types
of
projects.
O
We've
got
all
these
different
tools
to
incentivize
affordability
and
it
looks
like
we
came
to
the
table
with
what
we
have,
because
we
sat
there
in
September
and
listened
to
a
developer.
Tell
us
exactly
how
hard
it
is
to
get
a
project
up
all
the
soft
cost
that
they
have
to
put
into
that.
So
it
bewildered
at
our
recommendation
here
tonight
to
approve
this
thing
even
after
we
have
this
big
budget
work.
O
Just
keep
saying
budget
work
session
because
we
had
one
area
today,
but
we
have
this
big
work
session
about
affordable
housing
and
based
on
the
analysis,
we
wanted
to
recommend
establishing
the
goal
of
creating
200
units
per
year,
direct
or
indirectly
and
I.
Don't
think
we
can
do
that
with
any
sort
of
reduction.
The
original
v1
conditions
of
this
project
stated
for
those
who
may
be
missed
it.
Earlier,
5%
of
the
units
will
be
designated
as
affordable
by
the
city
standards.
O
O
O
Adamant
I
am
personally
about
affordability
and
how
that
impacts,
people
and
so
I'll
vote
the
way
that
I'm
going
to
vote,
but
I'll
say
for
the
future.
We
just
Julie
mentioned
that
we
voted
on
the
project
last
month
that
I
stated
in
our
check-ins
that
I
don't
want
that
to
happen
again,
where
these
sorts
of
things
happen,
and
it's
happened
again
and
I
am
not
happy
with
the
recommendation
from
staff.
I
can't
fault
the
developer,
you're
doing
what
you're
supposed
to
do
you
want
to
make
money?
You
got
to
make
money.
That's
your
thing!
O
I
get
it!
We
made
a
commitment
to
affordable
housing,
not
the
developer,
and
so
whatever
the
recommendations
are
coming
from
staff,
they
need
to
be
accurate.
They
need
to
be
researched
with
what
resolutions
we've
done
previously,
so
that
we
have
our
information,
we're
not
full-time
workers.
We
don't
come
in
here
every
single
day
and
work
40
hours
a
week.
Some
of
us
have
full-time
jobs,
but
we
commit
ourselves
to
the
people
that
elected
us
to
do
the
work.
So
whatever
my
vote
is
going
to
be
it's
going
to
be,
but
I
am
not
happy.
A
L
E
A
Being
brought
to
us
without
a
subsidy
request,
so
so
I,
we
will
probably
have
to
be
clear
and
directing
staff
that,
in
if
a
private
developer
proposes
a
project
that
doesn't
use
our
incentive
policies
that
they
can
never
recommend
it
and
I,
don't
think.
We've
ever
said
that
that
staff
can
never
recommend
a
project
that
doesn't
use
a
used
one
of
the
tools
so
I
so
I
before
I
mean
I.
Can't
what
you're,
saying
and
I
want
it
to
be
clear.
A
So
this
actually
kind
of
falls
exactly
in
line
with
what
I
thought
we
would
be
saying
if,
if
a
developer
is
not
using
one
of
our
tools,
which
they're
not
required
now,
if,
if
council
wants
to
say
visually
I
mean
of
course,
I'm
never
going
to
support
a
project
that
doesn't
use
one
of
our
portable
housing
tools,
which
I
think
where's.
What
you're
saying
I.
A
O
I'm
throwing
him
under
the
bus
because
here's
the
thing
aside
from
that
it
doesn't
even
we
just
had
two
people
get
up
here
with
cell
phones
and
reads
and
things
that
we
passed
about
how
we
want
projects
done
and
opportunity
zones,
and
it
doesn't
even
align
with
that.
Aside
from
whatever
else
we're
talking
about,
and
we
don't
even
have
that
information
on
the
staff
report,
we
didn't
get
any
of
that
information
in
a
check-in,
so
yeah
I'm
throwing
them
under
the
bus.
O
C
F
K
I
guess
a
question
for
Brad
would
be
under
the
standards
that
we
need
to
approve
this,
because
this
is
not
just
something
that
would
count
so
once
we
have
got
to
follow
the
law
on
this.
To
what
extent
do
we
consider,
or
can
we
consider
the
fact
that
something
is
in
an
opportunity
zone
which
I
assume
is,
is
really
going
to
be
a
question
of
how
much
this
property
could
be
sold
for
at
the
end?
Is
that
something
we
can
even
consider
much
less
haven't?
Hang
our
decision.
H
For
for
a
conditional
purpose
requires
the
council
to
make
three
primary
determinations
number
one
that
it
is
consistent
with
the
approved
area
plans
that
are
relevant
to
that
particular
project,
two,
that
it
is
a
reasonable
project,
including
their
emissions,
and
that
it
is
in
the
public
interest
that
final
determination
being
in
the
public
interest
provides
a
certain
amount
of
legislative
discretion
to
this
body
to
make
determinations
along
those
lines.
It
is
important
to
to
note
that
the
city
does
not
currently
have
any
specific
inclusionary
zoning
language
in
our
ordinances
regarding
conditional
zoning.
K
K
Same
that
same
meeting,
which
which
had
a
pretty
big
impact
on
me
I
think,
was
really
helpful
to
talk
to
someone
who's
a
developer
in
this
area
and
to
understand
the
difficulty
of
that
which
which
to
be
honest
with
you,
I,
didn't
quite
appreciate
until
hearing
that
getting
2324,
affordable
units
even
for
ten
years
is
a
big
deal.
It
is
much
more
than
what
we
will
have
you
know
we
can.
We
can
argue
in
question
whether
or
not
you
know
one
could
receive
financing
and
the
ease
of
receiving
financing
I'm
not
available
a
developer.
K
But
what
was
pretty
clear
to
me
from
that
meeting
was
that
it's
not
easy
to
get
financing
here.
It's
not
something!
That's
a
slam!
Dunk!
Those
of
you
who
were
talking
about
the
the
project
we
just
approved
that
had
the
20%
at
20%
of
80%
and
talking
and
talking
about
kind
of
capping
the
Luigi
grant.
As
I
recall,
the
developer
actually
said:
look
I'll
try
to
make
it
work.
They
weren't
definitive
about
that
because
they
hadn't.
K
It
could
be
a
situation
where
they
they
may
be
coming
back
to
us.
I
hope
they
don't.
You
know
with
respect
to
staff
recommendations
you
know.
Obviously
the
more
information
is
is
better,
but
you
know
as
a
councilmember
III,
especially
with
with
those
of
you
who
are
presenting
on
this
I,
look
for
your
independent
judgment.
K
D
R
J
J
We
have
not
adopted
any
any
policies
around
opportunity
zones
we
have
I
have
been
in
conversations
about
that
and
kind
of
came
to
the
conclusion
that
the
resolution
that
we
adopted
would
give
us
the
leverage
to
kill,
really
terrible
projects
which
I
do
not
think
this
is
I.
Do
not
think
this
is
a
terrible
project
but
to
to
turn
away
projects
that
really
were
going
to
displace
and
and
and
not
be
a
benefit
to
the
community
that
they're
in
I.
J
P
We're
not
done
enough
working
with
staff
for
six
years
to
try
and
create
a
model,
if
that's
not
enough,
I'm
willing
to
spend
another
month
max
going
through
it
and
coming
back
and
I'm
telling
you
that
I
personally
believe
as
a
numbers
guy
that
the
conclusions
going
to
be
the
same.
But
fact
their
staffs
worked
in
good
faith
for
years
on
this
and
other
projects
and,
as
you
well
know,
I
do
whom
my
answer
to
workforce
housing
in
West
Asheville
without
any
incentive
and
I,
did
it
as
a
challenge
from
this
body
five
years
ago.
P
J
A
B
A
A
J
J
I
appreciate
that
I
I
actually
I
mean
I.
Remember
when
this
project
first
got
approved.
It
was
great,
it
was
a
great
project.
It
was
exact.
It
is
exactly
the
right
project
for
that
spot
and
and
I
appreciate
your
persistence
in
trying
to
make
it
happen
that
place
needs
mixed-use
residential.
It
needs
it.
P
P
A
A
L
J
Okay
can
I
just
say
one
more
thing
about
that
project.
I
know
he
left,
but
this
is.
This
is
really
not
it's
not
so
much
for
him,
as
it
is
one
of
the
other
key
things
we
learned
in
that
affordable
housing
workshop
and
that
we
know
well
from
HCD
is
that
the
city
cannot
do
this
alone.
We
cannot
meet
our
affordable
housing
needs
by
ourselves.
J
We
do
not
have
enough
money
and
we
need
private
developers
to
step
to
the
plate
and
and
I
realized
that
there
may
be
developers
who
don't
want
to
deal
with
the
hassle
of
our
tools.
I
get
that,
but
we,
but
we
need
help
and
and
I
would
I
hide.
This
is
an
encouragement
to
to
private
developers
to
take
a
serious
look
at
our
tools
and
figure
out
any
possible
way
to
use
them.
We
have
there.
There
are
so
many
there
are
so
many
there
is,
even
though
we
don't
have
a
ton
of
money.
J
We
have
a
lot
of
money
that
we
can
put
on
the
table
for
these
projects
to
make
them
go
at
at
the
very
least,
at
20%
of
the
units
at
80%
ami
for
20
years,
I
mean
and
and
I'm
an
HDD
I'm
a
proponent
of
in
perpetuity,
but
given
where
construction
costs
are
now
that
does
not
seem
to
be
feasible
in
anybody's
world.
So
I've
stepped
back
from
that,
but
we've
we've
just
got
to
keep
striving
to
meet
that
baseline
of
20
80/20.
We
just
have
to.
B
Marry
if
I
could
just
add
a
couple
of
things
since
staff
got
thrown
under
the
bus,
literally
I
would
like
to
clarify
a
couple
of
things,
because
the
the
affordable
housing
work
session
has
been
mentioned
a
number
of
times.
We
will
be
coming
back
to
you
and
February
so
that
we
can,
and-
and
this
attorney
may
say
this
is
too
strong
a
word
but
codify
the
direction.
We
we
really
want
to
be
clear
about
what
what
it
is
that
you
all
directed
us
to
do
particularly
related
to
when
we
are
using
public
resources.
B
If
you
want
us
to
think
about,
if
a
private
developer
comes
and
doesn't
want
any
of
our
resources,
do
we
apply
the
same
policy?
We
need
to
know
that
because
that's
that's
not
what
we
were
thinking
I
mean
we
can
negotiate,
because
the
conditional
rezoning
process
is
a
negotiated
process
and
we
can
negotiate
all
we
can,
but
I'm
gonna
be
honest
with
you
whenever
we
get
the
opportunity
to
get
one
affordable,
housing
unit,
we
take
that
seriously
and
for
ten
years
within
that
development,
with
access
to
those
services.
So
we
we
hear
you.
B
G
This
is
difficult,
but
as
it
pertains
to
Opportunity,
Zones
I
think
it
is
another
level
of
sensitivity
and
it
does
require
us
to
put
a
different
lens
on
it.
The
last
project
that
we
saw
in
December
is
in
a
community
that
was
that's
undergoing
a
lot
of
gentrification
the
same
as
the
project
over
here.
G
G
So
if
that
can
not
meaning
to
I
know,
I'm
councilman
young
was
not
meaning
to
just
totally
squash
you
in
this
situation,
with
his
recommendation,
but
I
would
appreciate,
and
the
community
would
appreciate
when
it
is
an
opportunity
zone,
until
we
figure
out
how
to
have
more
control
that
you
at
least
give
us
that
perspective.
So
we
can
make
a
way
decision.
L
I,
don't
need
it
and
I'm,
not
gonna
I'm,
not
gonna
pile
on,
but
I
think
I
do
think
that
we
need
to
be
sensitive
to
that
staff
is
not
in
a
position
to
to
second-guess
and
dig
down
into
how
people
are
getting
their
financing,
and
that
kind
of
thing
I
mean
we
don't
have
that
expertise
so
I
think
I
mean
I,
hear
I
hear
the
request,
but
you
know
because
they
haven't
thought
about
every
every
possible
option
on
the
table.
I
don't
think
it's
really
fair.
L
A
A
The
second
item
is
a
public
hearing
to
consider
amending
the
2019
2020
annual
action
plan
for
the
relocation
reallocation
of
an
estimated
seven
hundred
twenty-three
thousand
two
hundred
eight
dollars
in
federal
home
investment
partnership
program
funds,
which
is
in
the
form
of
a
resolution.
Regarding
the
same.
N
Please
just
know
that
these
home
phones
are
overseen
by
the
Asheville
Regional
Housing
consortium,
which
is
made
up
of
representatives
from
our
four
County
region:
Lumpkin
County,
Madison,
County,
Henderson,
County
and
Transylvania
County
home
funds
fund
a
wide
range
of
activities,
including
building
buying
and
rehabilitating
affordable
housing
for
grant
or
homeownership,
or
providing
direct
rental
assistance,
low-income
individuals
and
families,
and
was
the
largest
federal
block
grant
to
state
and
local
governments
designed
to
exclusively
create
affordable
housing
for
low-income
households.
And
you
have
the
staff
report
in
front
of
you
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
N
L
L
N
The
Asheville
regional
home
consortium
we
made
March
similar
to
the
CDBG
funding
where
we
do
the
allocations.
The
Asheville
Regional
Housing
consortium
is
looking
at
the
tab,
credit
applications
that
we
received
first
and
let
those
go
through
the
process
with
the
North
Carolina
Housing
Finance
Agency.
When
those
awards
are
announced
in
August,
we
come
back
with
the
other
applicants
who
are
doing
different
work
with
home
funds
and
then
that's
how
that
second
part
of
the
funding
happens.
N
J
N
A
A
S
N
No,
we
put
those
plans
up.
However,
in
the
transition
to
the
new
website
there
has
been
some
difficulty
in
that
transformation
so
or
transition,
so
some
things
may
have
been
missed.
It
was
up
on
the
previous
site.
All
that
information
was
moved
over,
but
we're
happy
to
check,
but
there
has
been
some
data
that
has
been
lost
news.
A
The
last
item
is
in
parts,
so
we're
gonna
hear
first,
actually
I
don't
have
who
we're
hearing
from
we're
hearing
from
Barbara
and
then
we're
gonna
open
the
public
hearing.
But
then
this
requires
two
different
votes
of
vote
under
number
two
c2
and
a
vote
under
number
c3.
Okay,
everybody
all
right,
Barbara,
please
say
Croatia
as
the
president.
Okay.
T
So
tonight
is
the
next
step
in
the
Geo
bonds
that
we
are
about
to
issue
so
I'm
gonna,
start
and
kind
of
give
a
little
history,
especially
for
all
the
people
here
who
haven't
been
through
this.
You
know
as
much
as
we
all
have
the
Geo
bond
referendum
in
2016.
We
actually
had
three
referendums
or
referenda
though
they
were
for
affordable
housing
parks
and
recreation
and
transportation
for
a
total
of
74
million
that
was
approved
by
the
voters
on
November
8
2016.
B
T
It's
about
a
twenty
three
million
dollar
total
issue:
it
refunds,
the
bond
anticipation,
note,
which
was
the
interim
financing
we're
issuing
some
taxable
bonds
for
affordable
housing,
which
gives
you
all
more
flexibility
with
any
property
that
we
might
purchase
using
affordable
housing
bonds.
The
the
what
you
choose
to
do
with
it
is
more
flexible
with
taxable
bonds,
and
then
we
will
issue
the
use,
the
usual
tax-exempt
to
municipal
bonds
for
the
parks
and
recreation
and
transportation
portion.
T
So
these
are
these.
Are
these
bonds
are
included
in
our
long-term
plan?
They
were
funded
through
a
tax
increase
in
2007
18,
so
there
is
no
additional
cost
to
the
taxpayers.
This
is
just
us
taking
what
was
a
short-term
debt
to
enable
us
to
get
projects
done,
refunding
it
refunding
it
with
long-term
debt
or
refinancing
and
it'll
be
20-year
debt,
which
is
what
we're
allowed
to
issue
in
the
state
of
North
Carolina.
So.
A
Q
A
B
L
L
J
J
R
G
L
H
H
H
K
A
L
U
U
A
O
A
L
Commission's
turning
it
over
okay,
so
we
thank
you,
so
the
boards
of
commissions,
I'm
gonna,
go
through
this
in
the
order
that
it's
on
the
agenda,
the
boards
and
commissions
recommends
that
we
reappoint
pratik
vodka
and
Daniel
Summerlin
I,
bets
motion
and
I
have
a
motion.
Second,
all
those
in
favor
aye,
any
opposed
for
the
Civic
Center
Commission
the
boards
and
boards
and
commissions
recommends
that
we
re
advertise
for
the
opening.
I.
Don't
think
that
needs
a
motion
downtown
Commission.
L
The
boards
and
commissions
recommends
that
the
that
we
appoint
Robin
Raines
for
the
opening
I
have
a
motion
in
a
second
all,
those
in
favor
any
opposed.
Okay,
the
firemen's
relief
fund.
We
would,
we
would
recommend
the
reappointment
of
rough
Raymond,
tweed
and
Barbara
white
horn.
I
have
a
motion
a
second
all,
those
in
favor
any
opposed
Human
Relations
Commission.
L
L
L
Any
opposed
that
was
joke
recreation
board.
The
committee
recommends
that
we
re
advertise
for
for
those
openings
for
the
Riverfront
Redevelopment
Commission.
The
boards
and
commissions
recommends
a
reappointment
for
a
two-year
term
for
Darren,
green
and
Tim
shalour,
and
to
reappoint
Carlton
Collins
for
one
additional
year.
I
have
a
motion
a
second
all,
those
in
favor
aye.
C
L
Opposed
for
the
sustainability
advisory
committee
on
energy
and
the
environment,
we
recommend
that
we
reappoint
and
keller
and
maggie
Gulick
and
recommends
the
appointment
of
allison.
Ormsby
I
have
a
motion
a
second
all,
those
in
favor
any
opposed.
Okay
for
the
urban
forestry
commission,
the
committee
recommends
that
we
reappoint
Edie
Macey
and
Patrick
Gilbert
and
re
advertise
for
the
third
vacant
seat.
L
That's
a
motion.
I'm
motion
a
second
all
those
in
favor
and
again
I
just
want
to
say
we
are
getting
some
amazing
applicants
and
it's
difficult
to
come
up
with
these
recommendations.
But
we
really
sincerely
appreciate
the
interest
in
being
involved
in
the
city
government
and
really
appreciate
all
the
work.
L
A
E
Thank
you
for
giving
me
the
time
to
speak
with
you.
My
name
is
Dan
Glidden
I'm
a
volunteer
with
a
group
called
citizens,
climate
Lobby,
which
is
focused
on
getting
national
legislation
passed
to
address
climate
change.
We
work
in
a
non
partisan,
respectful
way
to
develop
relationships
with
members
of
all
political
parties.
Our
approach
is
to
energize
citizens
to
use
their
political
power
to
create
the
political
will
to
get
Congress
to
act.
E
One
way
we
do
this
is
to
get
local
citizens,
businesses
and
governmental
bodies
to
endorse
our
approach
to
addressing
climate
change,
which
is
to
place
a
steadily
rising
price
on
carbon
emissions
and
that
take
the
money
that
is
collected
and
return
it
to
all
citizens
in
an
equal
monthly
dividend
in
April
2018.
All
of
you
voted
for
a
resolution
supporting
the
concept
of
carbon
fee
and
dividend.
A
bipartisan
bill
has
now
been
introduced
in
the
House
of
Representatives.
That
embodies
this
approach.
It
is
called
an
energy
innovation
in
carbon
dividend,
Act,
HR
763.
E
It
has
been
endorsed
by
many
local
businesses,
faith
organizations,
health
organizations,
they
see
the
city,
transit
committee,
etc.
Nationally,
it
has
75
co-sponsors
in
the
house
over
half
of
whom
also
support
the
green
New
Deal,
and
it
is
supported
by
the
Nature
Conservancy
environmental
Natural,
Resources,
Defense
Council,
dr.
James,
Hansen,
several
large
faith
groups,
etc.
E
Support
for
the
concept
of
carbon
pricing
is
much
broader
and
bipartisan,
including
President
Barack,
Obama,
Pope,
Francis,
Bill
McKibben
over
3,500
economists,
all
former
chairs
of
the
Federal
Reserve,
etc.
Even
Bernie
Sanders,
a
staunch
supporter
of
the
green
New
Deal,
has
said.
I
am
proud
that
we
introduced
the
first
piece
of
climate
change
legislation
which
called
for
a
tax
on
carbon.
Over
the
past
few
months,
we
worked
with
Stacey
to
gain
support
for
a
City
resolution
supporting
the
bill,
and
they
approved
that
unanimously.
E
We
were
very
disappointed
to
learn
that
the
resolution
was
pulled
from
the
consent
agenda
late
last
week
with
the
change
coming
in
district
11.
It
is
more
important
than
ever
to
send
a
strong
message
to
all
candidates
that
this
is
an
important
issue
for
our
community
and
their
future
constituents.
We
recognize
that
this
this
bill
alone
will
not
solve
climate
change,
and
we
support
the
efforts
of
Paul,
individual
and/or
individuals
and
organizations
that
are
working
to
pass
different
approaches
to
addressing
climate
change
and
climate
justice.
E
We
feel
strongly
that
we
need
we
all
need
to
work
together
to
address
the
many
aspects
of
climate
change.
We
and
many
others
on
both
sides
of
the
aisle
agree
that
the
energy,
innovation
and
carbon
dividend
Act
would
be
a
huge
step
in
reducing
carbon
emissions.
Far
exceeding
our
commits
our
commitments
in
the
Paris
Accord,
we
urge
you
to
place
this
resolution
on
the
agenda
and
vote
in
favor
of
it.
Your
support
in
our
efforts
to
act
are
critical.
E
V
I'd
like
to
thank
the
mayor
and
the
City
Council
this
opportunity,
my
friend
and
and
I
both
work
with
the
CCL
and
just
to
add
to
what
he's
talking
about
I'm,
a
biologist
and
environmentalist
type
person.
That
cares
a
lot
about
the
state
you
provide
environment,
locally
and
planet-wide,
and
it's
I've
been
looking
at
the
various
alternatives
that
have
been
proposed
over
the
recent
years.
This
energy
innovation,
carbon
dividend,
Act
ISM.
Is
it
a
real,
beautiful,
artful
piece
of
legislation
that
deserves
all
of
our
support?
In
my
opinion,
in
the
spirit
of
one
nation,
indivisible?
V
It's
a
compromise.
The
first
step
doesn't
solve
the
problem,
but
it's
intended
to
begin
a
process
of
curbing
carbon
emissions
without
burdening
the
population,
especially
the
less
fortunate
folks
that
are
living
paycheck
to
paycheck,
it's
much
more
of
a
problem
than
simply
warming
or
weather
variability
or
sea
level
rise,
loss
of
property
and
natural
resources.
Of
course,
the
problem,
if
you
take
it
as
a
whole,
amounts
to
a
planetary
extermination
that
we're
going
through
right
now,
we
really
do
need
to
begin
a
long.
Road
of
progress
begins
with
one
step.
V
This
would
be
a
local
thing
that
would
put
Asheville
in
a
position
of
leadership
on
this
topic,
where
we
deserve
to
be
as
we
care
that
much
starting
point,
only
a
lot
of
more
social
issues
and
things
to
address
along
the
way,
but
every
journey
begins
with
one
step
and
I'd
love
to
see
our
council
vote
on
supporting
that
piece
of
legislation.
Thank
you
very
much.
U
I'd
like
to
speak
with
you
mayor,
council,
I,
live
on
buzz
beep,
you
circle,
you
know
intersections
Rock,
Hill,
Road
and
I've.
Been
we've
been
trying
to
get
speed
breakers
on
the
road
three
or
four
people.
It's
got
killed
on
the
road.
They
do
kick
him
out
snare
out
the
road
and
someone's
got
slow
down.
U
C
A
A
R
I'm,
here
too,
for
the
record
Joe
Minicozzi,
62,
Cortland
Avenue
I've,
been
having
conversations
with
with
Brad
about
how
to
try
to
bring
some
solutions
forward
for
Maxwell,
Street
and
I'm
kind
of
in
a
between
a
rock
and
a
hard
place
on
this
one
in
2005.
This
is
the
email
that
Scott
Shuford
sent
me
that
basically
says
he's
concluded
that
Maxwell
Street
is
not
a
residential
street,
so
that
becomes
the
law.
At
that
point
we
appealed
it.
The
city
vigorously
defended
that
and
we
have
loading
in
the
street
because
of
it.
R
Don't
know
what
to
do
in
that
situation
because
there's
you,
when
you
have
commercial
activity,
that's
unbuffered
is
a
planner.
You
want
to
meet
commercial
with
commercial.
What's
frustrating
through
the
process
is
that
this
is
the
applicants
property
right
there,
that's
Maxwell
Street
and
it
was
colored
blue
which
allowed
for
commercial
activity.
While
my
plan
was
going
through
the
process
staff
amended
to
make
it
peach
peach
is
primarily
residential.
This
is
the
comp
plan.
R
I
can't
bring
forward
a
solution
if
the
overarching
guide
says
it
has
to
be
residential
now,
as
a
planner
I
can't
find
the
competency
in
that
decision.
I
can't
professionally
say
that
that's
a
wise
decision
when
you
have
an
open,
unbuffered,
active
commercial
use.
On
top
of
that,
it
violates
the
sub
area
plan
which
calls
for
mixed-use
development
the
Broadway
plan.
So
we
have
this
active
inconsistency.
R
When
I've
been
asking
your
staff
to
address
this
I've
asked
your
planning
department
to
address
this.
We
have
an
open
inconsistent
with
a
localized
plan.
Now,
if
staff
was
directed
to
do
this
by
somebody
outside
of
the
preview
or
professional
planner,
then
that
is
reprehensible
to
do
that
and
go
around
to
the
staff
to
make
that
makes
this
decision.
I've
written
I've
written
a
request
to
Todd
I
brought
the
stage
Ivers
attention.
I
will
continue
to
bring
this
to
your
attention,
but
we
have
to
take
the
high
road
and
find
better
solutions
here.
R
This
has
been
going
on
since
longer
than
the
Vietnam
War,
let
that
wash
over
you
for
a
second
that
war
started
and
ended
in
less
time.
This
has
been
going
on
twice
as
long
as
World
War
two.
Can
we
not
just
be
adults
and
work
with
the
citizens
to
find
a
solution
because
they
can't
live
in
a
commercial
activity?
We
can't
force
them
to
take
that
hardship,
we're
not
going
to
change
the
loading
bay
I
got
it
we're
not
going
to
get
rid
of
the
trucks.
R
R
It
only
takes
four
of
you.
If
we
could
do
that.
That
would
get
us
to
a
better
place.
I'm
out
of
options.
I
can't
bring
another
solution
to
to
Brad
on
this
one,
so
this
is
what
I'm
here
this
conflict
needs
to
be
dealt
with
and
we
need
to
deal
with
the
commercial
activity
and
just
realize
that's
not
going
to
go
away.
W
And
victory
the
director
of
just
economics
and
a
West
Asheville
resident
and
I
am
here
to
talk
about
transit
last
year,
when
we
were
advocating
to
fund
the
whole
first
year
of
the
transit
master
plan.
We
have
opposed
splitting
into
two
separate
pieces,
the
hours
and
the
routes.
We
opposed
this
for
a
couple
of
reasons.
One.
We
just
said
this
transit
master
plan
passed
and
we
thought,
let's
start
off
the
first
year
of
giving
this
thing
rolling.
We
have
posed
it
to
because
we
thought
we
had
the
money.
W
W
As
far
as
capacity
is
concerned,
you
all
did
the
heavy
lifting
with
capacity
in
the
route
changes
and
like
I'm,
hearing
good
things
about
the
route
changes
so
far,
so
I'm
excited
to
talk
to
you
about
that
once
we
get
these
evening
hours
so
so
so
yeah
that
contractor
the
RIT
dev,
whatever
is
gonna-
have
to
hire
more
drivers
and
change.
Do
some
scheduling
changes,
but
that's
what
we
paid
them
to
do?
W
The
city
staff
doesn't
have
a
whole
lot
to
do
in
terms
of,
or
maybe
I'm
like
misunderstanding
in
terms
of
the
the
capacity
so
to
hear.
Jessica
say
tonight
that
it
would
be
difficult
to
initiate
the
evening
hours
before
October
was
I,
don't
even
have
words
for
it
right
now.
I
am
asking
you
to
dig
into
this
and
ask
about
that,
because
I
think
we
do
have
the
capacity
I
think
that
you
know.
W
I
have
said
before
that
we
should
have
been
using
the
mission
money
to
fund
this
and
and
I
worked
with
Julie
and
to
bring
you
another
plan
for
funding
tonight
to
make
sure
that
it's
there
for
for
next
year,
when
I
talked
to
Debra
Campbell
in
October
I
asked
about
what
is
the
lead
time
that
we
need
from
the
time
that
you
allocate
funding
it's
at
the
time
of
implementation
and
Miss
Campbell
said
it
was
it
was.
It
was
not
a
long
time.
W
You
know
we
didn't
need
six
months
of
planning
in
order
to
like
once
you
guys
make
that
allocation
to
be
able
to
implement
that.
So
to
hear,
Jessica
say
that
is
really
frustrating
and
I
am
asking
you
to
dig
into
that
and
to
put
forth
a
budget
amendment
where
we
have
multiple
ways
to
pay
for
it
for
next
year.
It's
not
going
to
cost
a
lot
this
year,
so
let's
advance
evening
service
hours
and
not
get
behind
in
the
implementation
of
the
transit
master
plan
that
you
all
passed
in
July
of
2018.