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From YouTube: City Council Meeting – January 22, 2019
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January 22, 2019
Asheville City Council Meeting
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A
B
A
And
whereas
all
children
have
the
right
to
be
provided,
every
opportunity
to
learn,
grow
and
thrive
in
nurturing
environments
and
children
of
color
face
unique
obstacles
that
prevent
their
access
to
opportunity
as
a
result
of
historical
and
current
systems,
policies
and
practices.
And
whereas,
if
we
all
dedicate
ourselves
to
the
principles
of
truth,
racial
healing
and
transformation,
we
can
all
bring
about
the
necessary
changes
in
thinking
and
behavior.
That
will
propel
the
city
of
Asheville
forward
as
a
unified
force.
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So,
thank
you
mayor.
We
know
that
racial
trauma
is
very
real
and
we
must
also
acknowledge
government's
role
in
traumatising
its
residents
to
begin
the
healing
process
and
to
build
relationships
for
trust.
To
increase.
Tonight's
proclamation
is
a
first
step
in
the
arts
for
our
city
government
and
here
to
receive
tonight's.
A
proclamation
is
Phyllis
Utley
with
Kofi.
E
F
C
So
last
June
city
council
adopted
the
equity
action
plan
and
the
2018-19
budget,
which
included
three
full-time
new
positions
for
the
office
of
equity
and
inclusion.
As
of
today,
our
team
is
now
complete,
I'd
like
to
introduce
first
I'd
like
to
thank
City
Council
for
their
commitment
to
advance
advancing
racial
equity
and
I'd
like
to
introduce
our
team
to
the
rest
of
the
to
the
council,
as
well
as
to
the
rest
of
the
city.
We
have
Yashica
Smith,
who
is
our
inclusive
engagement
and
leadership
manager
who
began
in
October
of
2018.
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A
So,
although
Nia
officially
started
her
work
today,
being
the
fourth
member
of
the
equity
inclusion
team,
the
whole
team
was
in
Charlotte
last
week
for
the
gare
training
and
all
stands
for,
but
it's
a
racial
equity
training
that
that
is
geared
toward
cities
to
help
them
institutionalize
equity
in
their
cities.
Very
pragmatic,
helpful
workshop.
We
spent
two
days
there
and
I've
found
out
a
lot
of
information
to
bring
back
to
our
city
and
Kimberly.
Our
director
was
instrumental
in
organizing
that
event
and
planning
it
as
well
all
right.
Thank
you.
The
changing
gears
here.
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G
As
these
folks
are
coming
out,
the
purpose
of
this
Proclamation
is
because
it
is
proclaiming
the
week
before
the
Fed
Cup
to
be
tennis
week
as
I
hope.
Everybody
knows
at
this
point.
The
Fed
Cup
is
coming
back
to
Asheville.
This
is
the
first
time
in
somebody
tell
me
how
many
years,
but
the
14
years,
that
the
Fed
Cup
has
returned
to
a
host
city.
G
So
we
treated
them
really
well
last
year,
and
that
is
due
in
large
part
to
oh,
pretty
much
everybody
here
and
lots
of
other
people,
but
they
loved
it
and
they
are
coming
back
and
I,
don't
know
if
we
can
sort
of
create
a
continuing
repeat
situation,
but
the
Fed
Cup
was
great
for
the
city
last
year.
Let
me
see
if
I
can
just
do
a
couple
of
these.
Tell
you
a
little
bit
about
it
before
I
get
into
the
proclamation
so
from
a
sort
of
sort
of
hard
dollars.
G
Standpoint
Fed
Cup
run
at
about
3.5
million
dollars
in
spending
to
the
city.
Over
that
the
course
of
that
weekend.
That's
a
two-day
just
a
two-day
event
about
forty
five
percent
of
the
ticket
ticket
holders
were
local
Asheville
people
and
about
55
percent
came
from
outside
of
Nashville,
so
that
tells
you
we've
got
a
huge
tennis
fan
base
here
in
the
city
as
well
as,
of
course,
Ashley
being
a
regional
draw
for
come
from
far
away.
Fedka.
G
Catalyzed,
a
lot
of
energy,
new
energy,
around
tennis
and
Asheville
and
I
just
want
to
read
you
a
couple
of
a
couple
of
stats
about
what
it's
done.
So
hopefully
everybody
knows
Aston
Park,
which
is
our
kind
of
our
premier,
tennis
city,
Tennessee
or
clay
courts,
pass
holders
at
Aston
or
up
30
percent
over
the
year
before,
at
least
in
part,
due
to
Fed
Cup,
the
participants
in
the
Asheville
Open,
which
is
our
big
tournament.
It
is
the
where
it
is
the
oldest,
the
oldest.
G
Tennis
in
the
South
88
years
been
going
on
88
years
quite
a
legacy
there
and
participation
increased
62%
for
juniors
and
34%
for
adults.
That's
just
not
an
accident.
The
number
of
juniors
playing
at
Aston
Park
more
than
doubled
last
summer.
Again,
not
an
accident
and
Aston
has
started
all
kinds
of
new
programs
to
get
people
involved
in
playing
tennis
to
get
existing
players
playing
different
kinds
of
tennis,
I
think
our
assistant
city
manager,
Cathy
ball,
was
in
one
of
the
new
programs.
There,
the
track
tennis
program
and
I
think
actually.
G
G
Also
forgot
to
mention
last
year,
the
USTA
actually
granted
the
city
of
Asheville
$35,000
to
make
improvements
at
Aston
Park.
Those
improvements
are
underway,
I
believe
and
if
we,
if
we
play
those
cards
right,
I
think
the
hope
is
that
they'll
make
another
investment
and
legacy
gift
for
us
this
year
when
they
come
in.
G
Therefore,
I
Esther,
manheimer
mayor
city
of
Asheville,
North
Carolina,
do
hereby
proclaim
that
this
city
honors
and
recognizes
the
week
of
February
4
through
10
2019
as
celebrate
tennis
week
in
Asheville,
and
commend
the
incredible
community
collaboration
and
support
of
the
Fed
Cup
2019.
The
International
Women's
first
round
tie
in
Asheville.
F
I
Leadership,
so
we're
looking
forward
to
hosting
again
I
think
all
of
the
accolades
that
we've
received
from
last
year,
including
the
award
last
weekend
this
past
weekend
in
Atlanta
and
going
to
Pinehurst
this
weekend,
are
just
indicative
of
our
local
organizing
community
committee
and
all
of
the
volunteers
and
I.
Think
probably
we've
talked
about.
I
Gift
but
the
most
important
thing
that
this
event
brought
to
Asheville
last
year
was
for
over
500
children
participated
in
outreach
clinics,
and
that
includes
all
our
school.
You
know
different
schools
and
our
tennis
community
and
our
minority
communities
with
the
JTL
program.
But
the
most
incredible
thing
is
this
year:
over
1,000
children
will
be
impacted
by
the
outreach
events
and
I.
Think
that's
what
the
most
important
thing
that
this
is
going
to
bring,
no
matter
which
player
comes
we're
going
to
embrace
this
event.
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A
K
So
I
guess
it
was
about
a
week
or
so
ago
we
were
able
to
kind
of
recognize
some
of
the
work
and
partnership
that
that
we've
been
doing
over
the
last
few
years
together
and
it
was
real,
exciting,
but
Duke
Energy
is
delighted
to
present
the
city
of
Asheville
in
Buncombe
County,
jointly
one
of
its
power
partner
awards.
The
power
partner
award
dates
back
25
years
to
1992
is
a
really
competitive
award.
K
In
2018,
only
six
customers
out
of
over
4,000
were
selected
for
their
excellence
in
some
some
part
of
their
priority
for
Asheville
in
Buncombe
County.
It
was
an
excellence
in
sustainability
award.
It
was
a
recognition
through
the
innovation,
the
commitment,
the
kind
of
stick-to-itiveness
we'll
call
it
of
the
spirit
of
this
community
that
we
were
thrilled
to
recognize
both
the
city
in
the
county
for
its
excellence
in
innovation
and
sustainability.
So,
if
you
think
about
it
in
2016,
we
started.
K
We
started
this
party
and
with
the
creation
of
the
energy
innovation
task
force
with
three
very
basic
goals.
One
was
to
avoid
or
delay
building
anymore
natural
gas
or
specifically,
a
natural
gas
Iker
planned
to
fuel
our
community
to
help
promote
and
increase
adoption
of
energy
efficiency
and
demand-side
management
programs
and
to
create
a
culture
of
of
community
engagement
around
this
type
of
work
and
today,
through
these
efforts
and
others
is
exciting
to
see
that
the
peaker
plant
that
was
forecasted
in
2023,
is
now
pushed
out
far
beyond
the
15
year.
K
Well
start
as
the
energy
innovation
task
force
has
actually
turned
into
a
a
growing
reputable
brand
locally.
The
Blue
Horizons
project,
which
creates
that
platform
for
customers
across
our
community
and
really
across
the
region
to
connect
with
Duke
Energy,
as
well
as
this
movement
in
energy
innovation
directly
without
having
to
connect
with
either
the
company,
the
city
or
the
county,
and
it's
also
making
a
big
difference.
We're
seeing
significant
increases
already
in
adoption
of
demand-side
management
programs,
which
are
the
only
programs
that
actually
reduce
your
need
to
build
peak
power
plants.
K
We're
seeing
increases
in
both
residential
and
business,
energy
efficiency
products
and
services.
And
it's
just
an
exciting
time
to
be
a
part
of
this
community,
we're
seeing
more
and
more
investments
in
solar
and
battery
storage
and
we've
already
announced
19
megawatts,
which
exceeds
our
original
five
megawatt
target.
Don't
worry
about
the
word
megawatts!
K
That's
a
great
deaky
engineering
word
just
a
point
in
some
almost
four
times
as
much
as
we
originally
committed
to,
as
well
as
solar
I
had
the
opportunity
to
be
in
Hot
Springs
today,
which
is
part
of
the
electric
system
that
serves
Western
North
Carolina,
where
we
will
be
building
the
state's
first
micro
grid
with
connected
with
solar
and
battery
storage,
pending
approval
of
the
North
Carolina
Utilities
Commission.
So
without
any
further
ado,
I'm
delighted
to
%
to
present
city
really
I'll
present
this
to
city
council.
G
It
will
essentially
Duke
will
now
be
funding
this
work,
that
is,
that
is
largely
supported
now
by
nonprofits
and
local
governments
and
federal
dollars.
So
this
this
is
a
huge.
This
is
a
this.
Is
a
sea
change
for
our
lower-income
residents
across
the
state
that
will
really
expand
the
ability
for
them
to
have
safer,
healthier
and
less
expensive
homes.
G
I
just
want
to
share
a
quick
story
about
the
micro
grid
project
that
Jason
mentioned
so
Duke
applied
for
approval
from
the
Utilities
Commission
for
this
micro
grid
and
for
folks
who
don't
know
that
that
is
a
combination
of
solar
energy
and
battery
storage.
That
helps
then
sustain
in
this
case.
Hot
springs
when
the
power
goes
out
for
some
period
of
time,
and
this
is
this
is
truly
the
the
way
that
we
are
going
to
be
moving
in
the
future.
G
Just
last
week
they
cancelled
that
hearing,
because
all
they
heard
out
of
Asheville,
if
you
can
believe
it
or
not,
was
support
for
Duke
Energy
in
this
application
for
a
micro
grid,
and
that
was
from
groups
as
diverse
as
the
energy
innovation
task
force
to
the
Sierra
Club
and
everybody
in
between.
So
this
is,
this
shows
the
power
of
when
we
can
come
together
and
do
good
things.
We
we
are
pushing
Duke
Energy
to
do
things
differently.
G
We
have
Duke
Energy
staff
people
here
who
are
pushing
their
company
to
do
things
differently
and
the
company
is
noticing-
and
this
award
is
just
one
example
of
the
way
in
which
they
are
noticing
that
we
do
things
differently
here
in
Asheville
and
sometimes
they're
really
really
good.
So
thank
you
again.
Jason.
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A
L
N
Mayor
members
of
council,
thank
you
very
much.
I'm
Barbara
white
burn,
as
you
said,
a
chief
financial
officer
for
the
city
of
Asheville
and
I'm,
just
gonna,
give
you
an
overview
of
what
we
did
for
some
additional
community
outreach
on
the
on
the
budget
process
and
what
we
learned
from
that,
what
we
gained
from
it
and
how
we'd
like
to
move
forward.
N
So
we're
gonna
go
over
a
few
things.
The
goal
of
the
project
process
benefits
lesson,
learns
potential
improvements
and
next
steps.
So
the
goal
of
the
project
was
to
improve
community
access
to
the
budget
process,
improve
staff,
understanding
of
the
community
priorities
and
provide
input
for
you
all
in
your
decision-making
processes
around
the
budget.
N
N
Additionally,
we
did
the
council
education
sessions,
which
you
all
obviously
went
through
and
that
was
monthly
budget
discussions
of
the
department
budgets
in
a
more
detailed
way
and
then,
in
addition
to
that,
because
we
knew
that
our
four
community
meetings
wouldn't
hit
everybody.
We
did
an
online
open,
City
Hall,
so
next
I'm
going
to
just
review
our
citizens
survey
results
a
little.
So
we
have
a
place
to
start
and
you'll
know
where
we
started
with
the
people
that
we
engaged.
N
So
there's
our
my
little
word:
art
public
safety
in
the
environment
were
the
top
citizen
survey
responses,
and
this
was
the
statistically
significant
survey.
The
National
citizen
survey,
so
Public
Safety
was
the
highest
concern
with
Environmental
Protection's
second,
and
we
just
kind
of
go
down
the
line
with
really
the
things
that
align
with
a
lot
of
y'all's
goals
and
that
we've
seen
over
the
years.
So
our
budget
Open
City
Hall.
We
had
79
respondents
so
not
statistically
significant,
but
what
we
wanted
to
see
was.
N
Would
we
get
different
input
from
the
people
that
wanted
to
speak
to
the
budget
that
we
did
in
a
general
citizen
survey?
So
we
took
the
priorities
from
the
citizen
survey
and
asked
do
these
priorities.
Do
these
budget
priorities
reflect
your
thoughts
on
what
we
should
be
focusing
on
and
we
had
79
responses
about
eight
hours
of
public
comment
and
we
left
the
response
open-ended.
N
We
ended
up
with
very
similar
responses.
Environment
beat
out
public
safety
slightly,
but
it
was
just
about
the
same
as
the
citizen
survey
and
then
public
transit,
sidewalks,
bikeways,
greenways
infrastructure
on
down
the
line.
It
was
very.
It
was
an
interesting
way
to
survey
because
it
was
open-ended
I
think
that's
something
we
may
change
going
forward,
but
we
did
get
a
significant
input
on
other
priorities,
including
homelessness,
mitigating
the
impact
of
tourism
and
development,
rideshare
and
alternative
transit
options.
N
City
employee
pay,
better
paying
jobs
in
the
community,
improving
downtown
parking
and
traffic
congestion,
and
then
we
had
a
few
people
who
talked
about
things
they
didn't
like
kind
of
the
same
stuff.
Just
don't
prioritize
these.
It
was
kind
of
it
was.
It
was
really
interesting.
The
community
input
it's
been
very
valuable
to
staff
and
developing
recommendations.
Hopefully,
it
will
be
valuable
to
you.
N
So
our
feedback
at
public
meetings
needs
some
more
structure
so
that
we're
saying
here's
a
council
priority
it
does.
This
reflect
what
you
want
a
little
more
specific,
because
we
think
that
would
be
easier
to
compile
and
come
up
with
priorities.
We
want
to
include
some
community
education
on
the
city's
roles
and
limitations.
We
had
quite
a
few
people
talk
about
the
the
gap
in
performance
at
schools,
lots
of
Health
and
Human
Service
comments
that
really
apply
more
to
the
county.
N
So
we
felt
like
we
need
to
really
educate
people
about
what
the
city
is
supposed
to
do
and
what
we're
allowed
to
do
by
statute,
and
we
really
need
to
meet
people
where
they
are,
and
we
feel
that
we
could
have
done
a
better
job
at
that
and
we
can
certainly
going
forward
so
our
potential
strategies
as
we
move
into
and
I
know.
This
sounds
we're
half
way
through
fiscal
year
19
and
we're
already
working
on
planning
for
2021
budget.
But
that's
you
know
how
it
works.
N
Certainly
in
my
role
is
to
continue
education
and
have
more
meaningful
engagement.
We
want
a
more
effective
way
of
collecting
input.
We
want
to
outreach
to
community
leaders
to
try
to
really
reach
those
parts
of
our
community
that
aren't
normally
heard,
create
additional
meeting
locations
in
particular
locations
where
we
don't
normally
have
meetings
piggyback
on
existing
community
meetings
and
the
reason
we're
saying
we
want
to
do
that.
Now
is
because
for
us
to
make
that
happen,
we
have
to
start
planning
now
and
that's
really.
N
N
A
A
A
H
P
Has
been
a
work
in
progress
for
quite
an
extended
period
of
time
and
at
this
point,
I
think
we're
probably
going
on
about
close
to
two
years
that
we
have
been
discussing
the
substation
at
this
site,
but
this
has
been
well
spent
because
it
has
culminated
in
a
community-supported
plan
for
this
electric
utility
substation,
so
that
might
not
sound
very
dramatic
but
I'm
gonna.
Let
that
soak
in
for
a
minute.
This
is
a
Community
Supported
plan
for
an
electric
utility
substation.
P
So
in
the
planning
world
we
always
strive
for
success
and
a
successful
public
engagement
process.
But
this
successful
collaboration,
I
think,
is
largely
thanks
to
the
willingness
of
both
the
Duke
Energy
and
the
community
members
who
are
most
significantly
impacted
by
this
proposal
to
sit
down
and
identify
first
common
goals
and
then
to
work
through
a
variety
of
design
options
that
has
resulted
in
the
plans
that
are
before
you
this
evening.
So
to
begin,
I
will
orient
you
to
the
site.
The
property
is
located
on
the
corner
of
Klingman
and
Patton
Avenue.
P
P
It
is,
however,
only
a
portion
of
those
two
lives
and
the
recombination
plat
that
was
included
in
your
packets,
probably
better
illustrates
the
subject
property
and,
as
you
can
see,
it's
just
a
portion
of
the
larger
commercial
property
located
at
252,
as
well
as
just
a
little
piece
of
that
residential
parcel
off
of
Louisville
place
the
property,
the
subject
property
has
frontage
on
both
West,
hey,
whit,
place
and
Knoxville.
Excuse
me,
West,
Haywood,
Street
and
Knoxville
place.
However,
access
to
the
substation
will
come
through
this
private
drive
located
off
of
pigment
Avenue
to
the
east.
P
For
a
little
additional
context,
you
can
see
from
the
aerial
the
site
is
the
former
hunter
volvo
property
and,
as
part
of
this
proposal,
the
applicant
has
already
secured
a
demolition
permit
to
remove
the
building
and
the
surface
parking
that
surrounds
the
site.
So,
in
addition
to
preparing
the
substation
property,
the
applicant,
who
also
knows
these
three
additional
residential
properties
off
of
Knoxville,
well
prepare
the
entire
property
for
future
redevelopment,
and
that
would
be
for
private
development
in
the
downtown.
P
And
you
can
see
here
on
the
site
plan
the
those
that
additional
property
are
identified
as
Lots
two
and
three
and
the
recombination
plat,
and
so
you
can
see
that
a
majority
of
the
site
will
be
held
in
abeyance
for
that
future
development.
That
is
not
part
of
the
conditional
zoning
that's
being
considered
this
evening.
However,
it's
important
because
when
that
future
property
gets
developed,
it
will
help
screen
and
minimize
the
impact
of
the
substation
property,
and
that's
particularly
important,
because
this
is
a
key
property.
P
It's
one
of
our
gateway
properties
into
our
downtown,
so
minimizing
the
impact
of
that
substation
is
very
valuable.
The
plan
includes
so
you
can
see
here.
The
area
outlined
in
red
is
the
subject
of
the
conditional
zoning,
and
this
is
the
substation
itself.
So
the
plan
is
for
a
single-story,
5200
square
foot,
building
that
will
enclose
the
switch
gear
for
the
substation
and
then
there's
an
additional
outdoor
area
that
will
be
screened
on
all
sides,
except
for
the
roof.
P
The
roof
will
be
open
to
allow
for
some
additional
air
movement
around
the
substation
will
be
a
clear
area
and
the
entire
site
will
be
enclosed
with
the
security
fence
between
the
subs
or
between
the
security
fence
and
the
road
frontages
will
just
be
sort
of
open
grass
area
and
there
will
be
street
trees
both
along
west
Haywood,
Street
and
Knoxville
place.
Also
along
west
Heywood,
we
will
have
a
new
12
foot
wide
sidewalk
as
part
of
this
project
and
street
trees
and
street
grapes.
P
Place
and
I
should
probably
back
up
for
just
a
moment
and
explain
that
the
purpose
of
the
conditional
zoning
tonight
is
essentially
necessitated
because
Duke
has
agreed
to
do
a
gas
insulated,
switchgear
substation,
so
that
gets
enclosed
inside
a
building
and
due
to
the
operational
needs
of
a
substation,
it
is
impractical
to
apply
all
of
the
same
development
standards
that
we
would
apply
to
normal
downtown
construction.
So
the
conditional
zoning
process
allows
us
to
modify
some
of
those
downtown
design
requirements.
P
So,
in
addition
to
those
modifications
you
can
see
here
too,
from
the
building
elevations
the
one-story
height,
however,
the
building
does
have
some
height
to
it.
There
is
a
basement
level
and
so,
depending
on
the
perspective
view
into
the
property,
the
building
has
sort
of
an
appearance
of
a
one
and
a
half
story,
maybe
two
story
building,
depending
on
your
view.
P
The
proposal
also
modifies
some
of
the
fenestration
and
glazing
requirements,
although
the
design
does
incorporate
a
fair
amount
of
openings
and
between
the
design
elements,
along
with
the
materials
that
are
being
proposed,
the
brick,
the
metal,
the
translucent
panels,
it
kind
of
give
provides
character
of
a
public
service
or
public
utility
building,
which
is
appropriate.
Given
the
the
proposed
use.
P
They
give
you
a
better
idea
of
the
character
of
the
building
and
the
design
of
the
building,
but
in
addition
to
the
building
itself,
there
is
some
external
electrical
infrastructure
that
will
be
included
in
this
proposal
and
the
elevations
kind
of
help
illustrate
some
of
what
you
might
expect
to
see.
So
you've
got
some
very
tall
poles
on
the
outside
of
the
building.
You
can
see
the
streetscape
along
the
west
Heywood
here
and
you
can
see,
particularly
in
this
view,
the
balance
of
that
property.
P
That's
going
to
be
left
open
and
that
will
be
developed
at
some
point
in
the
future
after
the
substation
becomes
operational.
So
again,
as
this
property
gets
developed,
the
view
into
that
substation
property
is
going
to
be
further
eclipsed
another
view.
The
West
Haywood
Street
side
is
going
to
be
the
most
visible
side.
So
this
is
one
perspective
view
kind
of
looking
towards
the
downtown.
And
again
you
can
see
some
of
that
additional
polls,
some
of
that
additional
infrastructure
that
will
be
part
of
the
substation.
P
Looking
the
other
direction
from
Haywood
street,
again,
that's
going
to
be
the
most
visible
view
in
the
substation
property
and
again
you
see
just
the
scale
of
some
of
that
infrastructure
as
and
again
some
elevations
to
better
illustrate
that
additional
infrastructure
compared
to
the
building.
This
is
West
elevation
and
then
the
East
our
there,
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission
reviewed
this
proposal
at
their
December
fifth
meeting
and
prior
to
that,
the
downtown
Commission
reviewed
it
as
well,
both
Commission's
fitted
in
unanimous
support
of
the
project.
That
concludes
my
introduction.
P
A
K
Essentially,
the
air
serves
as
the
insulation.
So
when
you
have
a
lot
of
electrical
components,
you
don't
want
them
to
arc
between
themselves.
So
the
air
insulated
substations
have
to
be
a
lot
further
apart,
so
that
no
arcing
occurs.
The
gas
insulation
is
is
actually
insulated
by
a
gas
and
it's
enclosed,
so
it's
it
doesn't
require
as
much
space.
So
a
gas
insulated
substation
was
appropriate
here
because
we
were
able
to
go
from
a
really
large
need
for
a
really
large
property
to
a
relatively
small
property.
But
it's
about
the
insulation.
A
K
You
know
we're
still
kind
of
going
through
a
lot
of
that
budgeting
stuff,
so
we
don't
know
the
cost
difference.
We
do
know
that
the
site
is
large
enough
to
where
I'm
leveraging.
Those
two
kind
of
out
parcels
will
allow
us
to
sell
that
back
into
the
market
to
help
our
fully
cover,
but
help
certainly
offset
the
cost
of
the
increased
cost
of
technology
and.
K
So
there
are
there's
a
gas
insulated
substation
in
Chapel
Hill
that
was
put
in
place
a
long
time
ago,
which
is
a
kind
of
a
kind
of
a
partnership
between
Chapel
Hill
and
Duke
Energy.
That
was
done
a
long
time
ago.
This
will
really
be
the
first
one
in
the
state
that
Duke
Energy
progress
has
has
built
and
installed
in
their
system.
R
K
A
K
S
A
That
choice
so
to
work
with
the
community
to
redirect
the
direction
and
to
become
so
innovative
is
an
incredible
testament
to
your
company's
willingness
to
work
with
us
on
this
one
and
the
community
to
stick
in
there
and
I
know
I
see
a
lot
of
people
here
and
I
know.
You've
been
to
a
million
meetings,
so
I
really
I
really
appreciate
all
the
effort.
That's
gone
into
this
yeah.
H
A
P
A
H
To
a
to
approve
the
conditional
zoning
request
from
central
business
district
in
residential
multifamily,
medium
density
to
central
business
district
conditional
zone
to
allow
for
the
construction
of
a
5200
square
foot,
one-story
gas
insulated
substation
and
find
that
the
request
is
reasonable,
is
in
the
public
interest
and
is
consistent
with
the
comprehensive
plan
in
that.
The
project.
1
minimizes
land
use,
impacts
through
innovative
design
to
utilize.
The
thorough
public
input
and
community
engagement
process
and
3
provides
a
critical
service
need
in
an
area
targeted
for
a
significant
growth.
A
D
A
That
concludes
our
public
hearings
agenda
for
the
evening,
but
we
have
one
item
of
unfinished
business.
That
is
a
never
ending
piece
of
unfinished
business
consideration
to
support
option
1
as
the
next
steps
in
the
Heywood
page
redevelopment,
planning
and
I
have
here
that
Tod
there
is
Todd
Oakland
Cheney.
Our
planning
director
is
going
to
speak
on
this
item.
D
T
Good
evening,
mayor
and
councilmembers
in
March
2017
Council
approved
a
vision
report
for
city-owned
properties
located
on
Haywood,
Street
and
page
Avenue
in
downtown
Asheville.
The
visioning
process
was
facilitated
by
the
Asheville
Design
Center,
who
worked
with
an
advisory
team,
many
of
whom
are
in
the
audience
tonight
consisting
of
representatives
from
various
organizations
and
other
stakeholders.
T
The
subject
properties
comprise
approximately
3/4
of
an
acre
they're
highlighted
in
yellow
on
this
map,
and
the
surrounding
study
area
also
included
another
approximately
one
and
a
half
acres
in
September
of
2017
City
Council
directed
staff
to
pursue
an
RFQ
for
professional
services
for
conceptual
design
options
and
a
preferred
plan
for
these
properties
and
surrounding
area.
Based
on
that
visioning
report
staff
issued
the
RFQ
and
worked
with
representatives
from
the
advisory
team
to
review
qualifications
submitted
by
consultant
groups
from
around
the
country.
T
Planning
and
urban
design
staff
had
been
in
negotiations
with
the
highest-ranked
consultant
team,
led
by
Nelson
and
Byrd
well,
Nelson
Burt,
waltz
landscape,
architects
for
design
services
and
other
work
intended
to
inform
the
long
term
use
of
these
properties.
The
proposed
scope
of
work
included
design
options
supported
by
programming
economic
feasibility
in
a
maintenance
regime
for
the
long-term
success
of
those
properties,
as
well
as
cost
estimates
for
the
design
options,
Community,
Engagement
and
engineering
and
transportation
analyses.
T
After
an
initial
round
of
negotiations
with
the
top-ranked
team,
the
proposed
scope
of
work
told
approximately
three
hundred
and
twenty
four
thousand
dollars
with
an
additional
sixteen
thousand
dollars
anticipated
for
a
new
survey
of
the
properties
and
to
date,
no
funding
has
been
identified
in
December
of
2018
staff,
presented
four
options
to
the
planning
and
economic
development
committee
to
move
the
project
forward.
The
preferred
option
by
staff
in
the
committee
called
option.
T
1
includes
a
multi-year
funding
request
to
hire
the
Nelson
Bird
volts
team
and
that
money
to
be
spread
over
the
current
and
next
fiscal
years.
The
PD
committee
then
recommended
that
the
siding
come
before
the
full
council
tonight
to
consider
a
resolution
to
authorize
the
city
manager
to
pursue
a
multi-year
funding
strategy
for
this
project.
G
Just
want
to
I
said
there
and
I
just
want
to
say
here
that
if,
if
that
money
doesn't
have
to
go
into
that
pot,
where
we
already
have
designated
monies
for
affordable
housing,
a
lot
right
now
that
that
that
the
city
staff
consider
using
that
those
proceeds
to
at
least
fund
a
portion
of
this.
So
just
flagging.
A
A
I
have
a
number
of
people
that
signed
up
to
speak
for
that
this,
so
I
can
call
people
who
signed
up
in
the
order
they
signed
up.
Is
that
Alright
all
right?
So
if
everyone
I'll
sit
down
before
our
firefighters,
take
you
out
of
the
aisle
I'll,
just
call
those
who
have
signed
up
and
then
we'll
get
it.
If
you
haven't
signed
up
them.
Well,
then,
we'll
call
you
after
that,
should.
U
Mayor
council
and
city
manager,
my
name
is
Dave
Nutter
I'm,
a
local
citizen
committed
to
this
project
and
a
city
planner
of
half
a
century's
experience.
I
ask
you
to
support
the
hard-fought
progress
of
a
wooden
page
project
by
adoption
by
adopting
option
number
one
recommended
by
the
Department
of
planning
and
urban
design.
This
will
fund
a
master
plan
for
a
key
city
property
in
the
center
of
Asheville's
68
Haywood
had
a
turbulent
beginning,
but
we
have
made
remarkable
progress.
U
This
revitalization
is
important
for
our
city,
for
its
amazing
set
of
create
a
creative
neighboring
uses
for
citizens
and
residents
to
the
four
corners
of
Asheville
and
for
civic
engagement
within
our
community
for
10
years.
I
have
studied
this
prominent
site
with
the
Asheville
Design
Center,
the
Haywood
Street
visioning
team.
As
a.
U
The
st.
Lawrence
Basilica
and
as
a
member
of
the
city's
consultant
selection
committee,
which
selected
the
Nelson
Byrd
waltz
team,
that
team
is
working
with
River
link
to
plan
the
care
and
crag
Nolan
Burke
on
the
French
Broad
River.
Their
work
is
excellent
and
of
inclusive
public
engagement
is
exceptional.
Their
selection
and
contract
negotiation
requires
340
thousand
dollars
for
the
work.
The
staff
report
recommends
splitting
that
sum.
Between
two
fiscal
years,
the
Planning
and
Economic
Development
Committee,
approved
this
option
unanimously.
U
We
strongly
support
the
visionary
idea
of
a
prominent
open
space
at
this
location,
one
that
will
be
a
matter
of
community
pride,
create
goodwill,
increase
the
public
trust,
serve
all
neighbors
citizens
and
visitors
and
include
supporting
educational
and
economic
uses
as
a
just
and
inclusive
place
for
all
68
Haywood
is
a
city,
property
and
I.
Ask
you
to
approve
anyone.
Thank
you.
Thank.
D
D
A
D
D
V
The
people
who
worked
on
making
this
a
green
spot
in
the
city
and
coming
home,
okay
and
I,
was
the
gatekeeper.
You
know.
I
opened
the
garden
every
morning,
I'm
a
photographer,
so
I
took
pictures
which
will
be
coming
up,
but
these
are
all
the
people
that
you
know
worked
on.
The
garden
made
the
garden
happen
and
I
have
a
book
here
that
signed
from
people
this
summer
of
this
season,
who
visited
our
garden
from
all
over
the
world,
and
everybody
says
the
same
thing
that
they
loved
it.
V
They
thought
it
was
a
great
from
Paris,
but
you
know
Italy
all
over
different
states.
People,
you
know,
worked
real
hard,
you
know
bringing
stuff
in
bringing
dirt
in,
and
you
know
making
this
a
wonderful.
You
know
green
spa
in
the
middle
of
downtown
and
I
can
pass
this
book
around.
If
you'd
like
to
see
some
of
the
quotes.
V
And
this
these
are
some
of
the
people
that
worked.
You
know
growing
herbs
and
putting
water
in
because
we
did
not
have
running
water
the
first
year.
They
did
this,
but
we
did
get
water
put
in
this
year
for,
like
a
you,
know,
a
pump,
so
we
couldn't
water.
Everything
and,
like
my
pictures,
are
coming
up.
So
this
is
taken
by
Clara.
V
And
it's
it's
just
been
great,
we
have
a
handy.
We
have
part
of
the
garden
that
is
just
for
people
in
wheelchairs
that
have
been
able
to
garden
and
and
grow.
You
know
things
and
it
made
them
happy
because
people
in
wheelchairs
to
get
to
garden
and
put
their
hands
in
the
soil
again.
It
was
really
good
for
their
their
psyche
and
their
overall
well-being
and.
V
V
V
Q
S
V
S
D
S
S
These
are
the
most
lovely
pictures,
we're
the
bee
city,
and
you
know
the
the
hum
of
the
bees
is
the
voice
of
the
garden
they
say
and
the
faces
of
the
people
who
put
their
labor
in
love,
the
thousands
of
volunteer
hours
that
have
come
our
way
and
we
can
let
this
run
while
others
of
our
gardeners
speak.
But
this
is
our
great
photographer,
Wanda,
Lovejoy
and,
and
she
has
created
all
of
these
were
grown
in
our
garden
on
the
gravel
lot.
It
used
to
be
the
building
on
33,
page
Avenue.
S
And
this
is
the
beauty
that
can
be
created
when
the
city
sort
of
opens
the
gates
and
lets
the
neighbors
show
what
we
can
do
on
a
wing
and
a
prayer
with
determination
and
love,
and
thank
you
to
Asheville
for
waiving
the
spiggot
fee
so
that
we
now
have
water.
We
were
carrying
our
water
by
hand.
Now
we
can
spray
it
with
a
hose
and
the
donations
that
come
in
usually
pay
for
the
water.
S
S
V
The
herb
garden
was
really
a
labor
of
love.
A
lot
of
people
you're
able
to
pick
fresh
herbs
that
you
need
to
cook
with
wonderful
and
I
would
sometimes
when
the
tour's
would
come
they're
in
their
hotels,
I
would
pick
them
chamomile
or
mint
to
have
with
their
part
of
Asheville
with
well
their
truck.
You
don't
visit
in
here
and
that's
the
whole
game.
D
D
W
You
very
much
shirt
commitment
prepared
permitting
me
to
speak
tonight.
My
name
is
David
Johnson
I'm,
a
retired
planner
and
professor
emeritus
of
the
University
of
Tennessee
I'm.
Also
a
fellow
of
the
American
Institute
of
Certified
planners
I
was
director
of
the
school
of
planning
at
UT
for
seven
years
and
I
served
on
a
design
team
for
the
Tennessee
Bicentennial
ball
at
the
State
Capitol
in
Nashville,
I
have
seen
firsthand
the
power
of
well-designed
public
open
spaces
to
revitalize
a
city.
W
I
first
came
to
Asheville
fifty
five
years
ago
and
have
been
a
resident
here
for
the
last
20
years.
I
have
watched,
Nashville
change
mostly,
but
not
always
for
the
better
I'm
speaking
today,
as
a
private
citizen
who
has
children
and
grandchildren
who
live
here.
One
of
my
two
children
is
in
the
audience
I'd
like.
J
W
Make
two
points:
first,
don't
miss
this
incredible
opportunity
to
create
a
new
public
space
in
this
strategic
site,
bordered
by
the
glorious
st.
Lawrence
Basilica,
the
Grove
arcade
and
the
Civic
Center
and
our
main
library.
These
opportunities
don't
come
along
every
day
for
every
city
and
there
are
precedents
here
in
Asheville.
W
We
all
know
Prichard
Park
as
a
park
space,
but
it
wasn't
always
so
it
was
the
site
of
the
old
post
office
which
went
develop
demolished
a
hundred
years
ago
was
wisely
converted
by
the
city
into
a
vest
pocket
park
who
can
now
imagine
downtown
without
Richard
park?
My
second
point
is
this:
get
the
best
design
talent
you
can
to
create
a
public
open
space
for
all
the
people
of
Asheville.
W
We
know
this
is
a
difficult
site
to
plan
for,
but
a
good
design
team
can
turn
obstacles
into
assets
and
knows
how
to
connect
the
site
to
surrounding
uses.
There
are
a
handful
of
firms
that
can
do
as
well
Nelson
boy,
a
bird
waltz
is
one
of
those
firms.
I
know
their
work
to
be
thoughtful
and
professional.
Their
recently
released
designs
of
the
future
keren
Craig
Nolan
Riverfront
Park,
is
an
example.
It
is
sensitive
to
the
site
and
surroundings
and
is
cost
conscious
in
its
design.
To
sum
up,
don't
miss
this
opportunity.
W
X
X
X
He
wanted
to
be
an
actual
looked
on
them
for
actually
oh
but
they're
so
tall,
but
we
couldn't
find
the
space
John
McKenna
said
you
can
take
the
lobby
of
the
BB&T
building,
but
it
was
too
low,
so
I
took
it
to
Black
Mountain
to
a
tiny
Museum
and
black.
We
attracted
10,000
visitors
from
Asheville
and
all
around
the
state
and
foreign
countries
and
took
in
about
$10,000
worth
of
donations
for
the
sake
of
the
little
Museum
the
Swannanoa
Valley
Museum.
So
I
still
would
like
to
consider.
X
We
would
like
to
consider
a
place
in
Asheville
and
the
most
obvious
place
would
be
across
the
street
from
his
last
project.
I
visited
his
first
project
in
Barcelona
and
talked
to
the
people
who
restored
the
theater
that
he
built
as
his
first
project,
and
he
said
we
are
the
first
and
you
honored
the
last,
because
his
last
project
was
the
Basilica.
He
was
brought
here
by
Vanderbilt
to
work
on
tiling
and
to
create
vaulting
and
create
domes.
The
dome
across
across
from
this
property
we're
discussing
is
the
largest
elliptical
dome
in
in
eastern
America.
Y
Y
Z
The
advisory
team
members
dedicated
over
a
thousand
volunteer
hours
to
build
consensus
around
a
vision
for
60
Haywood
and
in
addition,
ADC
volunteers
volunteered
are
dedicated
another
thousand
hours
of
their
time
to
the
effort
and,
as
we
know,
visions
have
a
shelf
life.
So
I
fear
that
if
we
delay
any
longer
that
vision
that
the
Advisory
team
developed
will
begin
to
grow,
stale
and
I
can
promise
you.
Nobody
wants
to
do
this
all
over
again
early
sidenote.
So
so,
let's
develop,
arrange.
Z
Z
A
A
M
Good
good
evening,
mayor
manheimer
manager,
Campbell
and
council
members,
my
name
is
Mary
Everest
and
I
am
president
of
the
board
of
the
Basilica
preservation
fund.
We
are
a
501c3
tasked
with
developing
and
implementing
a
comprehensive
restoration
and
preservation
plan
for
Raphael
Guastavino
is
greater
greatest
and
final
masterpiece.
The
Basilica
of
st.
M
Lawrence,
as
you
may
know,
in
addition
to
being
a
diverse
and
thriving
faith
community
and
an
active
social
welfare
presence
down,
the
basilica
is
one
of
Asheville's,
most
popular
tourist
attractions
and
one
of
the
largest
landowners
owners
in
the
north
end
of
downtown
as
we
explore
the
optimum
use
of
church
property.
The
Basilica
welcomes
dialogue
with
the
city,
local
businesses
and
our
fellow
landowners.
We
encourage
and
support
a
decision
by
City
Council
this
evening
to
assemble
the
funds
necessary
to
hire
Nelson
Byrd
waltz
and
move
forward
with
the
master
plan.
M
We
are
willing
and
able
to
enter
into
discussions
with
Nelson
Byrd
waltz
on
how
best
to
incorporate
the
church
campus
into
the
overall
master
plan,
and
we
look
forward
to
substantive,
comprehensive
communication
and
collaboration
with
all
parties
involved.
We
ask
city
leadership
this
evening
to
capitalize
on
the
incredibly
unique
opportunity
before
us,
because
with
proper
creativity,
cooperation
and
collaboration
between
the
church,
the
city
and
our
fellow
landowners
together,
we
can
renovate
and
transform
the
area
around
68,
Haywood
Street
and
the
Basilica
into
a
vibrant,
economically
thriving
visually
stunning
focal
point.
M
AA
Thank
you
all
of
the
City
Council
for
the
opportunity
that
I
may
speak
in
favor
securing
funding
for
the
next
steps
in
the
Haywood
Page
redevelopment
project.
My
name
is
Craig
Klein
I'm,
a
retired
architect
at
an
HRC
commissioner,
on
the
advisory
panel
for
the
Thomas
Wolfe
cabin
project.
The
wolf
project
is
similar
in
scope
and
the
need
for
lanius
analysis
to
the
Hayward
page
project
for
the
wolf
project.
The
city
is
now
contracted
with
a
very
capable
architectural
firm,
Lord
acts.
Argent
I'm
happy
to
report.
AA
The
wolf
project
has
had
its
kickoff
meeting
is
off
to
a
wonderful
organized
beginning
by
commissioning
the
services
of
Nelson
bird
waltz
landscape,
architects.
The
city
will
have
the
opportunity
to
fully
optimize
every
applicable
element
recommended
by
Asheville's
design,
centers
Haywood
and
page
visioning
project.
Good
design
benefits
all
citizens,
as
its
aim
is
directed
towards
the
common
good.
Thus,
it
must
be
inclusive
to
each
person
that
experiences
the
revitalized
Haywood
site
nearby
residents
daily
workers
and
tourists
should
all
discover
an
accommodating
sight
in
their
own
unique
way.
AA
Everyone
should
be
delighted
to
find
a
unified,
well
conceived,
use
of
space
and
enjoy
the
pleasure
and
convenience
of
a
safe
passage
through
this
gateway
site.
Consider
the
pedestrian
that
may
stroll
from
Charles
Parker's
neo-gothic
Grove
arcade
past
the
dignified
in
historic,
Basilica,
st.
Lawrence
past
the
event
arenas
with
as
tendis
spilling
out
and
down
Heywood
street
lined
it
with
shops.
We
all
know.
Currently
there
is
much
room
for
multimodal
traffic
circulation
improvement
at
this
site.
AA
To
close,
it
is
in
the
spirit
of
preserving
the
Uniting
Asheville's
heritage
of
good
architectural
design,
as
seen
in
the
works
of
Richard
Morris
hunt,
Frederick
Law
Olmstead
Richard
Sharpe,
Smith,
Raphael,
gustavinho,
grand
masters
of
their
trades
and
I
petitioned
at
the
city
of
Asheville
to
seek
funding
for
plants
by
Nelson
Byrd
waltz
for
this
important
public
space.
Thank
you.
AB
AB
AB
African
American
side,
and
so
maybe
somewhere
in
this
site,
we
can
do
it.
It's
opening
I
go
up
and
down
the
street
all
the
time-
and
this
is
one
of
my
favorite
corners
in
Asheville
I
support
the
elder,
the
sage
garden
there
and
if
that
disappeared,
I
would
be
highly
upset
because
I
spent
a
lot
of
time
just
in
that
garden
and
also
supporting
what
happens
in
that
garden.
AB
AB
Maybe
an
african-american
monument
or
maybe
an
African
Americans
part
in
there
keep
the
garden
there's
always
gonna
be
a
garden
there,
some
kind
of
way,
because
I
believe
in
the
individuals
that
elder
the
sage,
they're
gonna
figure
out
a
way
to
do
it.
I,
don't
know
how,
but
they
will
figure
out
a
way
to
good,
even
if
you
good
things
in
this
site
here
that
are
the
same,
that
elder
sages
could
not
be
the
people
that
take
care
of
all
them
places
around
there.
That
has
vegetation
and
those
kinds
of
things.
AB
AC
AC
So,
to
paraphrase
the
mistaken
quote,
I
say
without
parks,
without
gardens
and
quiet
green
spaces,
without
a
touch
of
nature
and
artistically
designed
public
spaces.
What
is
it
that
we're
planning
for
there
is
located
in
the
southwest
corner
of
the
property
under
consideration,
the
elder
and
sage
community
garden.
This
garden,
which
operates
with
the
city's
blessings
and
the
good
work
of
several
dedicated
volunteers,
is
a
rare
jewel,
a
diamond
in
the
rough
as
they
say,
and
a
must-visit
space
within
our
city's
downtown
area.
AC
I've
spent
more
than
a
few
hours
there
soaking
up
the
sunshine,
surrounded
by
the
beautiful
vegetable
plants,
flowers
and
interesting
pieces
of
homemade
folk
art
that
have
been
carefully
installed
on
the
site
by
many
fine
and
interesting
people.
I
would
like
to
acknowledge
those
volunteers
who
gave
time
money
and
energy
from
the
heart
in
creating
this
magical
little
piece
of
ground,
known
as
the
elder
and
sage
community
garden.
AC
Having
been
a
professional
gardener
for
much
of
my
life,
I've
had
the
pleasure
of
traveling
to
and
working
in,
many
beautiful
and
amazing
gardens
for
all
that,
I've
seen
from
the
tropical
gardens
of
Hawaii
to
the
grounds
of
the
Biltmore
Estate,
the
elder
and
sage
community
garden
stands
out
for
its
creative
spirit
and
its
grassroots
community
efforts.
It
has
evolved
from
a
graveled
eyesore
to
become
a
space
filled
with
peace,
beauty
and
light.
AC
The
opportunity
for
interacting
with
both
locals
and
tourists
alike,
as
they
pass
through.
The
garden
has
been
most
pleasing
and
very
rewarding
I
hope
that
each
of
you
has
taken
the
time
to
visit
the
garden,
perhaps
on
a
cool
summer
morning
or
on
some
fine
autumn
afternoon,
when
the
golden
light
brings
out
the
best
in
the
greenery,
the
colorful
flowers
and
the
comforting
views
to
the
north
and
to
the
east.
AC
This
is
a
wonderful
place
for
enjoying
life,
while
striking
up
conversations
with
the
locals
who
live
nearby
or
occasionally,
with
the
more
adventurous
tourists
that
have
stepped
off
the
well-used
trail
for
a
slice
of
natural
beauty.
I'm.
Sorry
I,
don't
get
to
finish
my
thing
here,
but
anyway
I
hope
you
will
support
the
gardens.
Oh
I'm,
sorry,
my
name
is
Scott
Oh.
AD
My
name
is
Rachel,
bliss
and
I
hope
all
of
you
got
the
letter
I
sent
you
earlier
this
week
about
my
my
being
in
favor
of
option
1
and
funding
it
over
the
two-year
period
that
we
were
talking
about.
I'm
also
feel
honored
tonight
to
have
been
here
as
racial
healing
came
up
because
I
believe
in
our
garden,
the
elder
and
sage
community
garden.
We
have
healing
there.
We
have
people
of
different
races
involved
people
of
different
ages.
It's
not
all
elders,
but
there
are
people
across
the
gamut
of
work
that
is
going
on.
There.
AD
I
come
as
a
member
of
the
visioning
committee.
I
come
as
the
founder
and
director
of
what
WIC
for
peace
I'm
a
volunteer
I
have
a
little
garden
space
there
and
feel
a
great
crop
of
peas
last
year
and
onions-
and
you
know
this
is
also
a
component
of
food
security.
We
know
that
we
have
a
Food
Policy
Council
here
in
Asheville
and
a
lot
of
the
people
at
Vanderbilt
and
battery.
We
have
a
threat
of
food
insecurity.
AD
AD
I
want
that
peace
pole
to
signify
that
we
are
international
city
of
peace.
We
were
declared
won
in
2016
by
the
international
cities
of
Peace
Committee,
and
that
would
be
a
great
way
to
show
that
we
want
to
be
Pete
at
peace
with
one
another
peace
in
our
soul
and
peace
in
the
outer
world,
because
we
have
so
made
tours.
We
want
to
show
them
that
when
they
come
to
Asheville,
this
is
a
time
when
they
can
be
at
peace.
Thank
you.
AE
D
AE
Is
Andrew
Fletcher
I
was
the
chair
of
the
Haywood
page
team
that
put
together
the
vision
report
that
got
us
here.
I
was
then
on
the
scoring
team
that
helps
score
for
the
RFQ
process
that
led
to
Nelson
Burt
waltz
being
chosen
during
my
time
as
chair
I.
Wasn't
trying
to
imagine
that
future
that
a
design
firm
was
going
to
come
in
here
and
that
we
were
going
to
get
an
excellent
top-notch
design
firm
when
I
saw
Nelson,
Byrd,
Waltz's
submission
and
their
previous
work,
their
approach
to
the
work.
AE
I
said:
that's
those
are
the
people.
I
said
I
said
they're,
gonna,
win,
I
mean
and,
and
they
sure
did
everyone.
Everyone
was
convinced
that
they
do
a
great
job,
and
so
I
really
want
to
say
that
this
moment
is
this
strange
convergence,
where
everyone
has
asked
you
to
do
the
same
thing
on
this
topic
and
for
perhaps
the
first
time,
hopefully
not
the
only
time
but
from
all
the
sides
of
the
argument
have
been
funneled
to
this
point.
A
Okay,
we
we
have
an
opportunity
here
for
a
motion
and
I
do
I
do
want
to
say
that
I
appreciate
the
celebration
of
this
rare
synergy.
This
moment,
I
think
just
interestingly,
we
have
two
items
tonight
that
we've
been
considering
that
really
started
in
a
super
contentious
place,
not
to
say
that
this
might
again,
but
but
but
I
I,
don't
think
it's
often
reported
when
we
do
finally,
through
through
a
community
collaborative
process,
come
to
a
place
where
we
can
have
pretty
close
to
unanimity
around
something.
A
H
A
H
D
A
D
F
A
AF
You
mayor
members
of
council,
I'm
semi
named
John
Maddox
assistant
city
attorney
before
you
tonight,
is
a
amendment
to
the
city's
noise
ordinances.
It's
a
actually
a
number
of
regulations,
not
single
ordinance
but
number
of
ordinances.
First,
a
little
bit
of
background
on
our
noise
ordinance.
This
has
been
a
round
in
this
forum
since
roughly
1998
2000
was
some
very
significant
changes
to
the
city's
noise
ordinance,
the
city
that
has
a
fairly
subjective
standard
when
it
comes
to
what
constitutes
a
noise
disturbance.
That
right
now
is
probably
a
noise
disturbance
in
the
hallway
subjectively.
AF
So,
under
the
city's
noise
ordinance,
someone
commits
creating
noise
on
their
property.
They're
not
allowed
to
create
a
noise
disturbance
which
is
defined
by
our
code
is
action
with
them.
Noise
which
endangers
or
injures
the
health
safety
of
humans
are
animals
and
dangers
or
injures
personal
or
real
property,
or
disturbs
a
reasonable
person
of
normal
sensitivity.
It's
a
it's
a
pretty
subjective
standard
in
order
to
determine
whether
certain
noise
rises
to
the
level
of
violation.
The
noise
has
to
be
evaluated
by
whoever
is
doing
the
listening,
the
typically
in
sash.
AF
If
an
officer
called
the
same
determines
that
a
violation
noise
ordinance
has
occurred,
they
can
issue
a
ticket
for
$50,
civil
citations,
the
civil
penalty
and
it's
collected
by
the
city.
In
a
nature
of
a
debt,
police
enforcement
is
one
way
that
the
noise
ordinance
can
be
enforced.
The
other
way
is
that
a
complaint
can
be
brought
to
the
city's
noise.
AF
K
AF
K
AF
So
that's
sort
of
the
broad
background
on
our
how
we
regulate
noise,
currently
so
switching
gears
a
little
bit
talk
about
the
revisions
that
are
proposing
here
and
I've
been
the
legal
advisor
for
the
noise
Hornets
Appeals
Board
since
I
came
to
work
here
four
and
a
half
years
ago,
and
it
took
a
few
months
of
hearing
going
these
hearings
and
realizing
that
nobody
was
coming
out
of
the
hearings
for
this
noise
or
ins,
appeals
board
very
happy
and
I
start
thinking.
That
was
the
case.
AF
It
seems
that
a
lot
of
folks
were
showing
up
for
these
hearings
with
certain
expectations
about
what
the
board
could
do
to
help
them
alleviate
noise
problems
they
well,
the
dog
is
part,
can
make
them
get
rid
of
the
dog
or
make
me
keep
the
dog
inside.
Make
them
turn
the
air
conditioner
off.
Make
them
stop
yelling
make
the
bar
close
down
that
sort
of
thing,
but
that
board
as
it
stands
under
our
ordinances
does
not
have
that
authority.
AF
They
have
the
authority
to
issue
a
fifty
dollar
civil
penalty,
which
can
then
be
appealed
to
the
city
manager
from
there.
It
doesn't
have
the
power
to
issue
injunctions
or
do
any
of
these
other
things
so
folks
were
showing
up
in.
So
if
you
got
fined
$50
okay,
but
you
weren't
happy
about
it.
But
if
you
show
up
and
the
board
even
if
they
ruled
in
your
favor
well,
they
got
a
$50
citation.
They
would
still
then
do
a
lot
to
alleviate
their
problems.
AF
We
kept
seeing
people
coming
back
and
again
and
again
about
the
same
barking
dogs
about
the
same
bar,
and
it's
been
that
way
for
years
now
so
I
because
I
realized.
This
was
the
case.
I
asked
the
city's
police,
the
police
administrative
assistant,
who
was
the
secretary
for
the
board
to
direct
all
noise,
calls
to
me.
AF
Everybody
who
called
the
police
department
to
talk
about
the
noise
board
got
directed
to
me
so
over
the
last
four
and
a
half
years,
I've
heard
about
every
barking
dog
muffler
that
isn't
on
properly
neighbor
mowing
their
lawn
yelling,
kids,
the
gamut.
If
you
can
imagine
a
noise
problem,
it's
come
to
my
desk,
and
so
it's
given
me
a
little
bit
of
insight
to
how
the
noise
regulation
is
working
in
Nashville
and
I've
identified
some
areas
where
it
could
be
better
and
so
I've
come
forward
with
these
proposals
and
I.
AF
Think
of
what
I'm
proposing
here
this
is
akin
to
you.
Bring
your
car
to
the
mechanic.
Mechanic
looks
under
the
hood
says
what
you
need.
New
spark
plugs
your
alternators
going
bad,
your
timing
belts
out
of
sync,
so
you
might
want
to
change
these
things
if
he
says
buy
a
new
car
you're,
not
going
to
say,
buy
the
cars
Kanak
tells
you
of.
I
visit
the
city.
AF
AF
Right,
I
don't
want
to
oversell
this
I
because
I
do
not
have
solutions
for
some
of
our
most
pervasive
noise
problems.
I
would
say
in
the
last
few
years
that
shifted
away
from
even
the
bar
being
loud
to
well.
If
the
bars
are
still
up,
it's
it's
shifting
more
away
from
the
barking
dogs
and
my
neighbors
radio
is
too
loud,
too
commercial
establishments,
businesses
operating
places
where
they
are
zoned
to
operate,
but
the
noise
is
starting
to
intrude
on
other
people's
private
lives
and
the
best
way
to
regulate
that
I.
AF
Don't
know,
that's
something
the
city
needs
to
decide
and
Miss.
Campbell
has
said
that.
That's
if
you'd
like
to
make
that
next
step
in
this
evaluating
our
noise,
when
it's
much
more
holistically,
so
I
want
to
keep
that
in
mind
as
we
go
into
this.
This
is
not
a
a
cure-all.
This
is
like
so
the
spark
plug.
So
that
said,
let's
give
the
spark
plugs
a
little
bit
of
what
I'm
proposing
the
first
one
would
be
there.
Currently,
as
I
said,
violations
are
punished
as
a
civil
penalty.
AF
Unfortunately,
years
bent
when
this
would
first
came
into
effect
years
ago,
the
city
could
file
over
in
court
for
free.
We
had
didn't
have
to
pay
filing
fees
to
collect
on
on
our
debts
like
this
General
Assembly
took
that
away
a
few
years
ago.
So
now
we
have
to
pay
filing
fees
just
like
anybody
else.
So
the
result
is
if
we
want
to
go,
try
to
collect
on
some
of
these
fees,
follow
suit
to
enforce
our
debt.
We're
gonna
actually
pay
more
than
we
would
end
up
collecting
in
in
filing
fees.
AF
So
the
proposal
here
is
that
to
change
the
ordinance,
so
it
is
punishable
as
a
infraction
rather
than
a
civil
penalty,
rather
than
a
civil
penalty,
not
a
misdemeanor,
but
a
fraction.
It's
a
non
criminal,
but
it's
still
administered
through
the
criminal
courts
in
the
nature
of
a
criminal
violation
that
would
take
some
of
the
enforcement
responsibilities
or
the
administration
responsibly
off
the
city
and
plus
make
these
things
actually
enforceable.
A
number
of
these
tickets
over
the
past
few
years
have
not
been
paid,
and
this
would
do
a
lot
to
it
seems
more
serious,
so.
A
AF
That's
correct
and
be
right
here:
I've
proposed
$100,
it
seems
to
be
in
line
with
it
actually
be
an
increase
in
the
first
time
penalty.
Wait
because
we
can't
step
it
up
to
say
$200
$300
per
offense.
It
seemed
natural
to
increase
it
at
least
as
much
as
$100,
but
then
there
would
be
court
fees
on
top
of
that
if,
unless
they
are
waived
by
the
court,
it
also
means
that
a
citizen-
so
let's
say
the
police
show
up.
AF
They
just
don't
agree
that
the
noise
rises
to
the
level
of
a
violation
of
the
noise
ordinance
citizen
can
always
go
and
try
to
convince
the
magistrate's
office
to
issue
a
criminal
summons
or
an
infraction
of
something's,
wouldn't
be
criminal
for
an
infraction
of
the
city's
noise
on
us.
They
would
still
have
an
avenue
outside
of
relying
on
the
police
department
to
enforce
that
motion,
so
that
sort
of
the
first
level
of
this,
the
second
one
would
be
to
disband
the
noise
ordinance.
AF
Appeals,
Board
and
I
recognize
that
there's
a
lot
of
folks
who
might
feel
that
this
is.
This
is
not
a
good
move.
There
are
people
who
currently
have
some
matters
pending
before
that
noise,
weren't,
spore
and
I,
don't
want
to
dismiss
their
concerns
or
the
complacent.
You
might
they're
not
suit,
not
serious.
However,
if
we
do
change
to
enforcing
as
a
as
an
infraction
a
or
it's
such
a
like,
constitute
as
such
cannot
issue
a
citation
for
infraction
they
can
issue
a
Priscilla
penalty,
but
not
for
an
infraction
I
might,
as
I
said.
AF
I
don't
feel
like.
The
board
has
been
particularly
effective
at
dealing
with
claims
over
past
years,
not
to
say
that
the
members
of
the
board
have
not
tried
have
not
done
done
excellent
work.
They
have
done
their
best,
but
sitting
there
in
a
conference
room
at
the
police
department.
Listening
to
people
talk
about
noise
when
they're,
not
on
the
site,
you
know,
are
not
the
best
position
to
evaluate
the
noise
or
to
weigh
the
weigh
the
evidence.
AF
It's
not
a
particularly
conducive
forum
for
adjudicating
those
those
complaints,
so
I
would
I
would
say
that
the
noise
support
should
be
disbanded.
The
third
proposal
would
be
to
do
something
about
construction
noise.
As
I
said,
over
the
years
I've
been
hearing,
all
these
noise
complaints
come
in
one
issue
where
it's
just
we
haven't
got
the
tools
to
deal
with.
It
currently
is
construction
voice
and,
as
we
all
know,
there's
cranes
everywhere
in
this
town.
AF
So
it's
the
police
called
the
sites.
The
people
are
building
oftentimes
under
city
issued
permits
in
locations
where
they've
been
approved,
to
build
and
they're
going
to
be
noisy
doing
that
the
police
officer
do
not
often
feel
like
they
are
in
a
good
position
to
issue
a
citation
for
a
construction
related
noise,
even
where
someone
is
acting
unreasonably
noisy.
So
what
I'm
proposing
here
to
regulate
much
like
other
cities,
do
with
construction
with
Raleigh,
especially
this.
AF
This
language
is
very
close
to
how
they
do
it
is
that
we
issue
after-hours
permits
so
from
7:00
to
7:30
you're
free
to
engage
in
construction
on
your
site,
where
you're
permitted
Monday
through
Saturday
on
Sunday,
and
when
do
work
on
Sundays
or
past
that
7:30
timeframe,
you're
gonna
need
to
get
an
after-hours
permit
issued
by
the
sealing
cities.
Building
inspector
cease
building
inspector
can
determine
whether
it's
reasonable
or
not,
and
can
issue
a
permit.
AF
He
can
also
revoke
the
permit
or
modify
the
permit
set
conditions
on
the
permit
to
help
mitigate
any
of
the
noise
problems,
and
there
has
been
a
provision
in
our
noise
words
confusingly
where
it
appeared
to
give
the
building
inspector
the
ability
to
issue
these
permits,
but
it
actually
didn't
have
that
much
effect.
This
actually
puts
some
teeth
behind
it.
They
can
issue
a
stop
work
order.
They
can
pull
permits
if,
if
people
are
not
complying
with
the
permits
also,
this
does
not
have
any
kind
of
restriction
on
distance.
AF
AF
Those
are
the
major
changes.
The
note
that
I'm
proposing
here
the
other
ones,
are
more
minor
but
and
still
important
barking
dogs,
which
I
was
reading
back
through
all
the
city's
ordinances.
This
was
the
issue
back
in
I,
think
of
1994
boy.
If
people
were
all
over
the
barking
dogs
like
currently
the
we
have
authority
to
cite
people
for
violation
of
our
noise
ordinance
for
their
dog
barking,
but
also
in
our
animal
ordinance.
AF
Now,
if
we
were
to
change
this
so
that
it's
enforceable
as
an
infraction
animal
control,
officers
are
not
sworn
law
enforcement
officers,
they
would
not
be
able
to
issue
citations
that
are
infractions.
However,
they
still
would
have
their
authority
to
issue
civil
citation
civil
penalties
through
the
animal
ordinance
in
Chapter.
Three.
AF
All
this
would
do
is
create
an
exemption
from
the
noise
ordinance
so
long
as
the
noise
is
regulated
through
Chapter,
three,
our
animal
ordinances,
that's
more
of
a
structural
kind
of
a
technical
change
and
the
last
one
is
to
there's
a
lot
of
redundant
hard
to
read
language
in
our
noise
ones.
I
think
a
lot
of
the
confusion
that
I
was
getting
from
people
calling
or
from
people
go
into
the
noise
port.
The
things
hard
to
read.
AF
It
contains
a
whole
bunch
of
a
really
large
section
of
things
that
tend
to
be
a
noise
disturbance,
but
aren't
annoys
disturbs,
and
it
depends
on
how
you're
doing
it
I
cut
that
section
out
in
this
proposal,
just
to
make
it
easier
to
read
streamlined
a
little
bit
more
efficient.
So
that's
a
lot
of
words,
but
it's.
AF
AF
They'll
either
do
it
as
a
civil
penalty
or
they
will
go
to
class
three
misdemeanor
okay,
so
this
would
be
something
below.
This
is
something
bulletin
that
was,
and
that's
certainly
an
option
that's
available
to
us,
but
I'm.
Judging
how
speaking
to
there
was
a
community
member
city
council
didn't
seem
like.
That
was
something
we
want
to
explore
and.
O
When
you
get
an
infraction,
it
is
completely
up
to
the
determination
of
an
assistant
district
attorney
at
a
district
attorney's
office,
whether
or
not
they
want
to
dismiss
the
charge.
Rarely
do
infractions
have
reduced
cost.
The
actual
court
cost
for
an
infraction
is
188
dollars.
If
you
add
that
on
top
of.
O
We're
talking
about
it
becomes
very
expensive,
and
if
someone
misses
a
court
date,
they
could
get
another
penalty.
That's
called
a
failure
to
appear,
which
is
an
additional
two
hundred
dollars
and
if
they
fail
to
pay
that
and
take
care
of
their
court
case
by
a
certain
amount
of
time,
their
license
could
be
suspended
once
their
license
is
suspended.
We
start
entering
down
a
slippery
slope
where
this
could
become
very.
O
A
AF
G
A
If
they
show
up
to
court,
they're
gonna
pay,
they're
gonna
have
to
resolve
it.
They'll
pay
they'll
either
contestants
right
like
you
would
or
if
they
want
to
plead
guilty,
so
to
speak.
They're
gonna
have
to
pay
the
penalty
and
the
court
costs
unless
it's
dismissed
and
if
it's
dismissed
than
they
don't
know
right.
AF
H
AF
My
understanding
that
I'm,
not
the
authority
on
this
but
Buncombe
County
for
years,
was
getting
lots
of
barking
dog
complaints,
and
so
they
now
give
I
think
about
a
sheriff's
office
will
give
folks
of
a
tour.
They
call
it
bark
packet.
It's
like
you
fill
out
like
a
log
and
you
document
what's
going
on
and
they
require
referral
to
their
mediation
center.
AF
AF
Applies
applies
the
same
way.
Typically,
what
we've
seen
the
saying,
for
instance,
a
bar
you're,
going
to
cite
the
person
who
is
in
control
of
the
premises,
which
would
be
usually
the
manager
on
site.
Maybe
the
DJ,
who
stuck
is
two
speakers
in
the
window.
Somebody
who
is
responsible
for
the
noise
is
going
to
receive
would.
A
AB
H
AG
Ma'am,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
weigh
in
on
this
think.
You
heard
mr.
Maddox
talk
about
that
this.
These
changes
that
are
being
recommended
this
evening
are
more
structural.
It
does
not
address
the
what
I
feel
are
substantive
issues
related
to
noise,
particularly
those
that
that
impact
residential
areas
and,
in
particular,
noise
from
commercial
establishments
like
nightclub
bars
rest
even
restaurants.
AG
Don't
know
that
you
know
I,
think
you
use
the
term.
We
want
people
to
be
happy.
You
know
with
this
particular
issue.
What
we
want
is
a
sense
of
reasonableness.
We
want
clear
lines
of.
If
you
do
these
things,
these
infractions
there
will
be
consequences
in
terms
of
penalties
or
or
whatever
we're
we're
trying
to
clarify
what
those
steps
are.
AG
As
much
as
possible,
so
this
next
phase
will
be
related
to
clarity
of
the
artists
language,
a
balance
in
terms
of
actually,
how
do
you
assess
and
measure
noise
and
the
intensity
of
that
noise,
and
whether
someone
has
been
impacted
to
the
extent
that
it
is
not
peaceful
or
or
whatever?
So
that
was
a
long
answer
and
I
apologize
going
too.
H
AG
We
are,
we
are
we're
talking
with
with
staff,
to
get
this
monster
and
I.
Think
it's
really
important,
particularly
during
the
summer
months
and
I,
think
that
that's
probably
when
there's
a
lot
of
noise
being
generated
just
by
the
sheer
amount
of
activities
that
can
occur
outside
we.
We
would
like
to
launch
it
very
soon
in
terms
of
the
next
phase
and
in
all
honesty,
I'm,
not
sure
how
long
it
is
going
to
take,
because
it's
such
a
such.
G
AF
G
Not
an
insignificant,
nothing
and
and
John.
What
is
your
so
I
think
you
know
we
tend
to
hear
from
people
who
call
the
police
and
feel
like
the
police.
Don't
respond
appropriately
and
don't
issue
violations
of
the
noise
ordinance.
Do
you
anticipate
that
these
changes
will
increase
the
likelihood
of
the
police
issuing
citations
of
infractions,
or
do
you
have
any
sense
of
that?
It's.
AF
Been
a
little
bit
hard
to
to
estimate
the
police
there
they're
going
to
then
some
situations,
they're
very
well,
suited
to
assess
the
noise
and
say
that
this
isn't
it.
This
is
a
violation
of
the
noise
ordinance.
They
it's
a
loud
party
in
a
residential
neighborhood.
It's
2:00
in
the
morning
you're
going
you're
getting
excited.
I
will
say
that
there's,
there's
I,
believe
police
officers
have
a
little
bit
more
comfort
around
issuing,
infraction
writing
a
citation.
AF
They
do
that
every
day
they're
used
to
doing
that,
whereas
civil
penalties
are
something
that
they
encounter
a
little
less
frequently
and
they
might
have
a
high
level
of
comfort
there.
But
I
really
do
feel
like
it's.
It
has
to
do
with
more
of
the
nature
of
the
noise
producing
activity
that
they're
encountering
and
how
they're
able
to
perform
that
assessment.
Okay,.
R
R
If
that
individual
goes
to
court,
that
officer
or
the
evidence
is
gonna
have
to
show
that
that
a
reasonable
person
that
this
would
have
offended
the
sensibilities
of
a
reasonable
person
and
so
to
miss
Campbells
point
I,
think,
is
what
she
was
saying
is
as
you're
gonna
look
at
it
more
is
you
know,
other
cities
will
have
kind
of
a
more
specific
decibel
level.
You
know
where
it's
a
bit
more
objective,
as
opposed
to
being
able
to
say
what
is
a
reasonable
person.
R
R
We
understand
that
we
are
going
to
be
looking
at
a
comprehensively,
but
for
the
moment
right
now,
in
order
to
kind
of
deal
with
the
issues
we
have
right
now
we're
going
to
allow
there
the
current
complaints
to
continue
through
the
ordinance
through
their
current
process,
but
recognizing
that
it's
not
working
for
anybody.
We're
gonna
take
these
steps
right
now,
let's
deal
with
the
structural
issues
and
then
we're
going
to
move
to
the
substantive
issues
later
this
year,
which
will
have
a
much
more
significant
community
engagement
piece.
Is
that
a
fair
kind
of
character.
AF
Is
that
that's
a
very
fair,
characterization
step?
One
is
a
good
way
of
thinking
about
this.
These
like
so.
This
is
the
sparkplugs
changing
the
whole
standard,
how
you
evaluate
noise
as
far
as
decibel
meters
I
understand,
some
cities
have
a
standard
on
kind
of
life
which
is
audible
at
a
certain
distance
for
certain
noise
activity.
Some
a
car
is
violating
the
noise
ordinance
if
they
can
be
heard,
50
feet
away.
If
radio
can
be
heard,
50
feet
away
from
the
car.
AF
Just
kinda
I
should
only
a
noise
meter,
but
you
still
have
some
kind
of
an
objective
standard
there.
This
is
definitely
a
first
step,
though,
and
when
some
miss
can't
we're
talking
scan
was
talking
about
a
second
step
getting
into
those
more.
What's
the
new
car
going
to
look
like
as
far
as
the
existing
complaints,
there
are
not
many
there,
one
kind
of
worth
community
in
there
there's
a
few
downtown
with
various
bars.
Those
would
be
allowed
to
continue
for
90
days,
we'll
get
those
resolved
within
90
days.
AF
I've
heard
some
in
response
to
this
proposal
coming
out
some
folks
who
said
well,
why
can't
they
just
kick
the
getting
the
people
who
are
being
complained
of
the
entities
that
are
being
complained
enough?
Kicked
they
can't
pass
the
90
days?
That's
not
going
to
happen.
We
will
schedule
the
hearings
if
they
can,
if
they
complained
off,
parties,
do
not
want
to
show
up
and
have
their
evidence
heard.
Well
then,
just
the
complainant
parties
will
can't
show
up
and
give
their
evidence,
so
they
they
would
be
scheduled
and
heard
within
90
days.
G
AF
O
Ma'am,
okay,
my
dad
and
the
only
additional
penalty
that
you
can
infer
for
people
who
are
wondering
like
why
keep
chiming,
and
this
is
what
I've
made
an
airbase
and
I
appreciate
it.
So
the
only
additional
penalty
that
someone
can
get
from
the
infraction
is
if
they
do
not
come
to
court
and
they
are
charged
with
a
failure
to
appear,
and
then
that
adds
200
extra
dollars
to
the
cost
of
the
total
ticket.
And
then
they
get
a
letter
from
the
DMV
saying
that
your
license
is
gonna,
be
suspended
in
the
next
amount
of
days.
G
AF
G
A
B
There's
no
way
we
can
issue
individuals,
a
warning
that
spells
out
the
financial
responsibility
if
they
continue
the
noise,
because
I
mean
two
hundred.
Eighty
eight
dollars
might
not
seem
a
lot
of
money
for
a
lot
of
people
here,
but
for
some
people
that
might
actually
shake
them
into
compliance
from.
AF
A
A
AE
Good
evening
again,
my
name
is
Andrew
Fletcher
and
now
I'm
gonna
speak
a
base
for
my
experiences
of
downtown
commission
member,
as
well
as
a
busker
and
someone
who's,
throwing
my
share
of
loud
parties
when
I
first
showed
up
in
the
city
and
I
had
to
deal
and
was
on
the
other
side
of
some
of
the
police.
Calls
for
noise.
AE
AE
As
far
as
you
know,
of
all
the
information
that
you
need
to
to
act
to
move
forward,
so
I'm
gonna
ask
you
not
to
I'm
gonna.
Ask
you
not
to
accept
this
because
I,
unfortunately
I
couldn't
make
it
to
the
the
the
one
other
time
that
this
has
been
in
front
of
the
public,
which
was
at
Public
Safety
Committee,
which
Brian
Haines
was
not
here
from
the
transcripts.
You
know
even
seem
to
think
that
there
had
not
been
enough
public
input
in
it.
AE
I
don't
mean
to
speak
for
him,
but
if
you
that
was
my
recollection
of
that,
so
I
feel
there's
been
some
serious
lack
of
a
public
engagement
on
this,
and
the
consequences
of
this
are
really
huge
because
I
mean,
as
a
musician
I
mean.
Sometimes
one
person's
noise
is
another
person's
economic
livelihood.
AE
It's
a
very
tricky
thing
and
I,
don't
envy
any
of
you
in
trying
to
decide
so
I'm,
not
saying
that
I
have
the
answers
either,
but
what
I
do
know
is
that
you
don't
have
the
benefit
of
public
engagement
that
should
have
beaten
this
thing
up
on
its
way
to
you
and
prove
it
before
it
got
to
you
to
vote
on,
and
that
didn't
happen,
and
so
I'm
very
skeptical
that
this
is
the
way
we
started
this
process
to
discuss.
Our
noise,
ordinance
and
I
am
gonna
leave
it
at
that.
Thank
you
all.
F
Good
evening,
mayor
Mannheimer,
council
and
city
manager,
Campbell,
my
name
is
Peter
Landis
I'm,
a
downtown
resident
and
a
member.
The
issues
committee
of
downtown
Asheville,
residential
neighbors,
known
as
darn
I,
believe
you
all
received
a
letter
sent
by
Susan
Robins
regarding
this
issue
sees
our
chair.
She
could
not
be
here
this
evening.
F
We
appreciate
the
city's
willingness
to
revisit
and
refine
the
noise
ordinance.
Well,
we're
disappointed
that
more
substantive
action
regarding
commercial
noise
will
be
delayed.
We
are
encouraged
that
city
manager
Campbell
is
interested
in
pursuing
more
complete
solutions.
We
welcome
that
and
we'd
be
very
willing
to
take
part
and
help
out
we're
also
very
encouraged
that
mr.
Maddox
recognized
the
growing
problem
that
this
is
as
Asheville
grows.
The
solutions
become
more
and
more
necessary.
F
AJ
A
AJ
You
for
the
opportunity
to
address
you
this
evening
about
this
issue.
I
am
Martha,
salyers
I
live
in
the
Kenilworth
neighborhood
and
have
lived
there
for
thirty
five
and
a
half
years,
I'm
a
retired
family
physician
and
a
practicing
public
health.
Professional
now
I've
also
been
a
member
of
the
kennel
with
noise
committee
for
a
little
over
two
years.
I
am
here
to
comment
on
and
raise
questions
on
the
proposed
changes
in
the
noise
ordinance
and
how
the
city
deals
with
noise
issues
and
I'm.
AJ
Speaking
on
behalf
of
our
Kenilworth
noise
committee,
we
represent
residents
living
in
Kenilworth
who
are
affected
by
the
ongoing
continuous
noise
originating
in
Mission
Hospital.
We've
had
about
two-and-a-half
years
of
ongoing
negotiations
with
Mission
on
mitigation,
and
it's
been
a
long
slog
with
no
end
in
sight.
Most
recently,
we
have
come
before
the
noise
board
and
we
are
one
of
those
pending
cases
that
mr.
Maddox
mentioned,
and
let
me
pause
and
thank
mr.
Maddox
as
well
for
his
efforts
on
the
noise
issue,
we're
highly
amenable
to
mediation
as
a
group.
AJ
But
as
a
reminder,
this
is
an
example
of
a
very
small
neighborhood
group.
In
a
dispute
with
one
of
the
most
powerful
soon-to-be
private
entities
in
the
community,
thus
there's
an
enormous
power
differential
when
we're
talking
about
our
issue,
how
can
council
assure
that
such
disputes
are
fairly
dealt
with
and
arrive,
as
Miss
Campbell
said
at
a
balance
between
community
needs
and
growth?
I
want
to
say
what
our
issue
is.
Not,
it
is
not
construction
noise
and
it
does
not
helicopter
ambulance
or
other
vehicular
or
episodic
noise.
AJ
But
our
issue
is
something
that
is
not
dealt
with
in
the
current
or
the
proposed
noise.
Ordinance
and
I
appreciate
the
need
to
create
something
that
is
akin
to
changing
the
spark
plugs,
but
we
would
really
like
to
urge
you
to
replace
the
whole
engine,
or
maybe
the
electrical
system
and,
while
you're
at
it,
instead
of
having
a
very
slow,
stepwise
process.
Our
issue
is
continuous
24/7
operating
noise
of
a
large
institution
that
affects
our
neighborhood,
our
neighborhood.
AJ
This
is
an
issue
for
the
entire
city
as
Asheville
grows
and
commercial
development
encroaches
on
communities,
you've
just
heard
from
the
darn
representative,
and
there
every
neighborhood
is
going
to
have
to
face
this.
At
some
point,
we've
spoken
with
numerous
other
community
representatives
on
the
noise
issues
in
their
neighborhood
hoods
as
well.
AJ
This
is
an
issue
that
also
addresses
multiple
areas
of
the
Asheville
20:36
strategic
plan,
equity,
vivid
livability,
clean
and
healthy
environment
and
air
quality
and
quality,
affordable
housing,
because
quality
should
include
the
freedom
from
to
not
be
polluted
by
noise
or
other
environmental
pollutants.
So
I'd
like
to
briefly
address
two
issues
with
the
proposed
changes.
The
first
is
the
dissolution
of
the
noise
board.
We
agree
on
the
basis
of
our
October
experience
in
the
noise
board.
That
is
not
necessarily
a
terribly
effective
means
of
addressing
noise
issues.
AJ
We
received
no
communication
and
advance
to
us
of
how
the
board
worked
and
the
quasi-judicial
process
was
treated
as
a
straight
judicial
process.
The
extended
questioning
of
one
of
our
members
made
it
impossible
for
the
rest
of
us
to
be
heard.
Also,
there
did
not
seem
to
be
any
de
facto
scientific
expertise
on
the
board
in
the
form
of
a
sound
scientist
or
public
health
or
medical
input,
and
we
were
not
notified
that
the
city
was
considering
dissolution,
even
though
we
have
a
pending
issue.
When
were
we
going
to
be
told
for
our
purposes?
AJ
The
proposed
90-day
limit
on
resolving
our
issue
may
be
inadequate,
so
we'd
like
you
to
consider
either
not
doing
that
or
extending
it,
considering
the
pace
of
the
last
hearing
and
having
already
invested
over
two
years
in
our
process.
But
the
board
has
two
missions,
not
just
hearing
disputes,
but
also
advising
Council
on
noise
issues.
So
if
it's
disbanded,
how
will
council
continue
to
get
these
if
this
advice
on
noise
issues?
AJ
Moving
on
to
the
proposed
ordinance
I'll
limit
these
comments
to
questions
raised,
rather
than
answered
by
the
proposed
ordinance,
the
first
being
whether
this
proposal
is
actually
that
much
of
an
improvement
over
the
existing
proposal?
I
think
I
am
persuaded
that
the
construction
issue
is
significant
enough
to
cause
a
fairly
immediate
change,
but
again,
we'd
really
like
to
push
for
a
comprehensive
noise
ordinance
along
the
lines
of
what
misses
miss.
Campbell
was
talking
about
it
for
to
start
with,
there
are
inadequate
definitions
in
in
the
proposed
noise
ordinance.
AJ
AJ
Maybe
the
fault
is
not
with
the
noise
board,
but
there
is
more
to
the
process
that
needs
to
be
evaluated.
Also,
the
proposed
ordinance
does
not
address
at
all
commercial
noise,
but
that's
self-confessed
and
I
know
that
that
will
be
part
of
the
future
process,
but
chronic
noise,
polluters,
repeat
offenders
and
most
print
to
us
that
does
not
define
our
address
constant
or
continuous
noise
pollution
measurement
standards
are
not
addressed
and
there
was
a
mention
of
using
decibel
measures
versus
auditory
measurements.
There
are
many
examples
of
communities
that
do
both
that
could
be
researched.
Also.
AJ
AJ
Speaking
as
a
public
health,
physician,
professional
and
a
physician,
there
doesn't
seem
to
be
any
evidence
base
scientific
consideration
addressed
in
the
proposed
ordinance,
we're
not
just
talking
about
noise
disturbance,
but
potential
damage
to
developmental
physiological
and
psychological
health
across
the
life
cycle.
This
has
been
exhaustively
documented
by
the
Environmental
Protection
Agency,
the
World
Health
Organization,
and
multiple
sound
scientists,
medical
and
public
health
professionals.
What
is
the
evidence
base
for
the
proposed
change
in
wording
to
come
from?
Also
who
are
the
subject
matter,
experts
who
were
consulted
on
these
changes?
AJ
What
research
has
been
done
on
model
noise,
ordinances
and
comparable
municipalities?
There
are
many
available
and
Studies
on
the
effectiveness
of
those
ordinances.
So
we
wonder
why
the
rush
to
change
this
ordinance
is
there
a
way
that
we
can,
as
previous
speakers
have
talked
about,
have
much
more
public
involvement,
as
well
as
scientific
involvement
and
the
crafting
of
a
comprehensive
noise
ordinance
that
the
city
deserves.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
address
you
on
behalf
of
our
committee.
AJ
AK
I
fear
that
these
kinds
of
complaints
might
be
directed
towards
minority
families,
people
that
are
already
getting
an
undue
amount
of
attention
from
law
enforcement
in
town.
The
second
concern
that
I
have
is
that
any
flat
fee
and
I
mean
that
doesn't
just
go
for
this
ordinance,
but
all
the
fees
in
the
city,
but
we
can
start
with
this
one,
because
we've
got
to
start
somewhere.
Any
flat
rate
fee
is
by
its
definition.
AK
So
anytime,
you
you
know,
say
you
apply
a
fee
like
this
to
a
family
that
just
had
a
family
gathering
that
got
a
little
bit
rowdy
and
noisy
280
to
8
dollars
to
be
devastating
to
them
and,
at
the
same
time,
you're
not
going
to
do
anything
to
stop
noise
from
these
larger
private
firms.
That
are,
you
know,
building
and
expanding
in
the
neighborhoods.
Thank
you.
A
Q
Q
Diana
Davidson
I
am
a
member
of
darn
downtown
resident,
but
also
of
can
the
Coalition
of
Asheville
neighborhoods
and
I
just
came
from
a
meeting
actually
from
canceled
I
was
late
and
I
missed
all
of
the
comments
on
the
Haywood
Street
project
and
I
have
to
say
that
was
a
wonderful
experience.
I
was
out
of
a
volunteer
staff
with
Chris
Joelle
on
that
project
and
it
was
quite
an
adventure.
Q
Q
The
ordinance
is
a
really
good
first
step
and
I
think
we
should
continue
and
take
the
momentum
and
engage
the
community
and
a
place
like
kin
coalition
of
Asheville,
neighborhoods
and
darn,
as
well
as
a
smaller
neighborhood,
as
many
others
would
be
happy
to
participate
and
I
think
it
would
be
a
really
good
good
thing.
Thank
you.
AL
I'm
Filipino
'its
I'm,
the
chair
of
the
neighborhood
Advisory
Committee
and
just
last
month,
sat
here
and
gave
a
presentation,
and
noise
was
one
of
the
issues
that
we
heard
so
commendation
to
miss
Campbell
in
her
short
time
for
taking
on
this
issue.
It
needs
to
be
addressed
and
comprehensively.
A
concern,
though,
is
the
issue
of
community
involvement.
Before
this
ordinance
came
forward,
the
members
of
council
had
questions
a
lot
of
questions
about
it.
The
people
in
the
community
haven't
had
an
opportunity
to
give
some
input.
AL
J
Hi,
my
name
is
Jonathan
Wainscott.
It
was
kind
of
a
busy
week
for
crime.
This
past
weekend
in
Nashville
there
was
a
murder
and
in
West
Asheville
there
was
a
really
unfortunate
horrific
incident
going
on
at
the
mall,
which
then
you
know
elucidated
the
fact
that
there's
a
tremendous
amount
of
police
calls
going
to
the
to
the
mall,
and
you
know
the
heavy-handed
nature
of
making
this
a
criminal
situation
and
putting
a
further
burden
on
the
police
is
just
not
accessible,
and
it's
I
just
don't
think
that
it's
going
to
do
anything
for
that.
J
A
You
know
I
was
thinking
about
Jonathan's
comment.
I
think
there
probably
would
be
a
slight
additional
involvement
of
police,
though,
because
when
you
prosecute
an
infraction
they
would
they
would
be
testifying.
So
there
would
be
some
additional
work
other
than
I
mean
they
already
are
the
first
responders
to
these
types
of
calls,
but
there
would
be
some
additional
anybody
else.
A
Okay,
okay
counsel.
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second,
we
have
a
lot
of
we've
heard
a
lot
of
comments
tonight.
This
is
our
first
brush
with
the
noise
ordinance
I'm,
trying
to
think.
If
we,
when
the
last
time
was
that
we
had
it
before
us,
you
know
this
is
a
struggle
for
me,
because
this
noise
ordinances
are
inherently
problematic
because
they
attempt
to
be
a
one-size-fits-all,
and
that
is
not
how
we
deal
with
noise
in
our
community
and
I.
A
Think
councils
been
pretty
eager
to
do
something
because,
frankly,
we
get
a
lot
of
complaints
emailed
to
us,
but
they
tend
really
to
be
mostly
around
commercial
activity.
We
occasionally
get
a
construction
activity
claiming
a
complaint
and
half
the
time.
The
the
contractor
is
in
violation
of
the
rule
around
construction,
and
they
are
told
that
and
they
stop
doing
it
and
other
times
it's
some
odd
exception.
Where
apparently,
you
have
to
pour
concrete
at
four
in
the
morning.
So
but
it's
a
temporary
inconvenience
I
guess
is
how
I
characterize
it.
A
So
you
know
we're
we're
so
to
answer
the
question
of
why
the
rush,
why
now
I
mean
in
from
my
seat?
It
doesn't
feel
quite
that
rush,
because
we've
been
hearing
consistent
complaints,
particularly
around
Mission
Hospital
in
the
Kenilworth
neighborhood
and
the
salvage
station
and
the
mulch
yard,
to
the
Montford
neighborhood,
but
but
this
obviously
the
proposal
tonight
addresses
really
more
the
individual
complaints
and
and
does
somewhat
address
the
commercial
complaints,
but
but
recognizing
that
we're
going
to
have
to
do
something
more
comprehensive
to
try
to
get
at
that.
A
You
know:
I
I
would
be
comfortable
with
with
continuing
this
process.
If,
if
there
is,
if,
if
we
need
to
go
back
to
to
going
ahead
and
looking
at
a
comprehensive
rewrite,
rather
than
doing
one
piece
now
and
looking
at
that
comprehensive
rewrite,
we
have
lots
of
committees
that
could
could
look
at
this,
and
one
was
the
downtown
Commission
was
mentioned.
I
think
this
was
handled
in
public
safety.
A
There
are
other
committees
that
could
take
a
look
at
it,
I'm
not
going
to
use
the
dreaded
blue
ribbon
task
force
because
I
know
I'll
just
get
a
community
I
roll
for
that,
but
but
it,
but
it
may
call
for
some.
Some
more
concentrated
look.
Look
at
it.
It's
a
complicated
issue.
I've
only
dipped
my
toe
into
it
and
tried
to
look
at
some
of
the
ways
that
different
cities
have
dealt
with
it
and
it
is,
it's
definitely
challenging
to
say
the
least.
A
H
I
have
been
liaison
for
the
board
for
the
noise
ordinance
committee
since
I've
been
on
City
Council
and
have
pretty
much
gone
to
every
one
of
the
meetings
and
I
do
think
it's
important
that
we
we
look
at
some
of
these
sort
of
comprehensive
plans.
I
mean
look
at
it
more
holistically,
but
I,
but
I
am
fully
supportive
of
making
the
changes.
The
these
changes.
That
John
has
suggested
immediately.
H
Staff
resources
and
frustrations
to
me
way
out
way
out
and
I
think
these
are
well
thought
through
adjustments
that
I
would
I
would
like
to
see
immediately
impact
immediately
instituted
and
with
the
with
the
idea
that
we
will,
with
all
due
speed,
address
the
other.
The
other
issues
comprehensively
so
I
would
ask
that
we
have
a
vote.
F
A
A
I
did
have
a
moment
that,
of
course
that
is
ideal,
but
we
are
limited
in
terms
of
staff
resources
we
have
so
we
have
so
many
wonderful
plans
and
projects
that
in
the
pipeline,
that
staff
has
worked
on
and
we've
had
consultants
help
us
work
on
already,
and
we
have
that
many
more
projects
that
need
attention
and
that
we
we
also
need
to
work
on.
So
while
I
agree
it's,
it
would
be
ideal
to
be
able
to
to
approach
it
this
way,
and
maybe
that
is
possible.
A
We
do
we
do
you
know
we
don't
have
a
noise
scientist
or
specialists
on
staff.
We
don't
have
medical,
you
know
the
city
doesn't
doesn't
deal
with
health
like
the
county
does,
for
example,
so
I.
You
know
I
just
think
to
myself
I'm
looking
at
this
project
in
terms
of
a
staffing
issue
and
it's
quite
a
heavy
resource,
lift
is
all
I.
Just
the
point
I'd
like
to
make
can.
G
Q
AF
A
G
So
we
can
just
sort
of
start
clean
and
fresh
on
addressing
the
commercial
noise
problems
are
I.
Think
that's
fine
this
this
none
of
this
seems
to
be.
It
all
seems
to
be
in
the
positive
direction
and
I
I
do
appreciate.
John
you
taken
this
first
step.
I
think
it
was
my
last
meeting
on
Public
Safety.
Over
a
year
ago,
I
asked
that
we
start
looking
at
at
the
noise
ordinance
and
so
I'm
glad
that
that's
happened
and
and
I
really
I.
Do.
G
O
What
I
do
have
a
problem
with
is,
or
one
I'm
glad
I'm
here
at
this
very
moment,
because
that's
why
I
believe
I'm
supposed
to
be
here
within
moments
like
this?
This
hasn't
even
been
looked
at
through
an
equity
lens
and
what
I
do
on
a
a
basis
directly
intersects
with
this,
when
you
start
talking
about
charging
people
with
an
infraction
there
are
also
well.
Let
me
back
up.
We
look
at
our
lives
in
a
bubble.
O
We
all
live
in
our
own
silos
in
our
own
bubbles,
and
we
see
our
lives
day
to
day
our
friends
that
are
around
us,
our
neighbors,
that
are
around
us
things
that
affect
our
lives
on
a
day-to-day
basis.
There
is
a
potential
for
this
ordinance
with
the
charging
of
an
infraction
to
open
up
unintended
consequences
for
other
members
of
our
society,
and
I
am
not
comfortable
at
all.
Opening
up
opening
up
new
pathways
into
the
criminal
justice
system
because
you
may
think
a
dog
is
barking
too
loud.
F
O
Affect
other
people's
lives
in
a
very
adverse
way,
I'm
on
a
day-to-day
week-to-week
basis,
enter
failure
to
appears
for
thousands
of
every
Buncombe
County
resident
in
the
county
of
bunkum.
That
misses
a
court
date
I
see
on
a
day-to-day
basis.
How,
regardless
of
whether?
What
is
subjective
into
writing
and
infraction
how
it
affects
people's
lives.
O
Councilwoman
Smith
made
a
good
point.
I
see
that
188
dollars,
plus
$100
fine,
might
not
be
a
lot
to
some
people,
but
to
others.
It
may
affect
their
lives
in
a
detrimental
way.
In
a
sense
of
you
may
think.
This
ordinance
is
just
addressing
the
noise
from
the
club
down
the
street
or
the
loud
neighbors.
O
This
could
be
used
to
be
subjective
in
other
ways
to
other
other
other
folks
in
our
society,
and
when
you
get
folks
come
into
court,
you
don't
think
that
everybody's
gonna
pay
what
they're
supposed
to
pay,
because
when
I
say
I
entered
thousands
on
a
weekly
basis
of
failure
to
appears
of
people
who
don't
pay
their
infractions,
it
snowballs
into
something
different:
they
don't
come
back
to
court.
Maybe
they
got
a
dead
tag.
They
get
the
failure
to
appear.
O
The
DMV
says
your
license
is
going
to
be
suspended,
their
license
is
suspended,
they
get
pulled
over
for
driving
while
license
is
revoked,
then
they
have
to
come
to
court
again
for
some
reason
or
another.
Maybe
people
don't
show
up.
It
sounds
like
a
lot,
but
it
happens
everyday
to
thousands
of
people
in
Buncombe
County
alone,
and
then
you
don't
show
up
to
court
for
your
driving
while
license
revoked
charge.
Then
you
get
an
order
for
arrest,
then
you
picked
up
somewhere
else.
O
This
is
not
just
a
battle
when
you
start
talking
about
opening
up
pathways
into
the
criminal
justice
systems,
there
are
unintended
consequences
and
ramifications
that
don't
just
affect
you
on
your
front,
porch,
listening
to
somebody
next
door
with
their
music
or
the
dog
barking
too
loud
or
somebody
having
a
civil
dispute,
it
can
end
up
being
somebody
driving
up
at
a
stoplight
and
their
music
might
be
too
loud
for
an
individual,
it's
subjective.
How
do
you
have
the
police
officers
make
that
subjective
determination?
O
O
My
dissent
is
not
your
dissent,
I'm,
not
saying
I,
agree
to
disagree
with
you
I'm
just
saying
that
what
what
I
see
on
a
day
to
day
basis
affects
people's
lives
in
a
very
detrimental
way
and
opening
up
new
pathways
and
to
our
criminal
justice
system
is
not
equitable.
I
heard
a
lot
of
people
use
the
word,
equity
or
they're,
saying
equitable,
and
it
might
not
be
because
of
what
you
think.
O
It's
equitable
for
so
I'm
definitely
not
going
to
support
this,
and
if
you
move
forward
to
this,
you
are
making
a
it's
not
just
about
the
north.
It
is
bigger
than
that.
I'm
completely
happy.
With
moving
on
to
a
next
meeting,
letting
other
boards
of
commissions
look
at
it
or
whatever
it
may
be,
maybe
HR
CA,
maybe
they
could
look
at
I,
don't
know!
Maybe
our
equity
department
can't
be
a
large
heart.
O
You
can
look
at
it,
I
don't
know,
but
I
know
when
I
see
on
a
day-to-day
basis
with
everyday
people
that
I
deal
with
where
this
small
infraction
becomes
a
very
big
thing,
and
don't
just
think
that
it's
gonna
be
somebody
calling
on
the
phone
about
a
bar
down
the
street
or
their
neighbor
next
door.
This
can
now
be
used
as
a
tool
to
give
people
infractions
to
to
walk.
D
O
People
we've
talked
about
all
sorts
of
things,
it's
written
consent
and
all
this
other
stuff.
This
opens
up
a
a
larger
door
and
the
criminal
justice
I
am
totally
not
comfortable.
Opening
up
a
new
pathway
into
our
criminal
justice
system.
I
am
just
not
gonna,
be
a
part
of
that.
Y'all
can
be
a
part
of
it
if
you
want,
but
keep
young
will
not
so
I'm,
not
gonna
vote
for
so.
R
D
A
AF
AF
O
Are
four
for
a
motor
vehicle
infractions
now
which
one
this
would
apply
to
I?
Don't
know
I
can't
say
that
we
haven't
done
it
yet
I
don't
know,
but
what
I
am
saying
is
very
true.
As
far
as
failure
to
appears
in
leading
there
are
certain
ones
to
be
corrected
that
do
lead
to
license
suspensions.
Others
are
not
reported
to
the
DMV,
which
one
this
is
I
can't
tell
you,
I
have
no
idea,
we
haven't
done
it
yet
so.
G
AF
G
D
E
U
D
A
A
I'm,
just
commenting
that,
in
my
opinion,
I
think,
there's
I
really
appreciate
the
hard
work
that's
gone
into
this
I
know
it's
been
difficult.
We
are
not
fully
staffed
in
the
legal
department.
We
are
down
a
full-time
city,
attorney,
sabrina
is
doing
her
best
as
our
interim
city
attorney.
We
also
don't
have
an
official
deputy
city
attorney
either,
so
so
there's
very
difficult
undertaking,
especially
since
this
is
kind
of
a
specialized
area
of
law.
A
I
would
offer
so
personally
I'm
gonna
vote
against
this
tonight,
not
because
I
don't
think
we
need
to
do
some
serious
work
on
our
noise
ordinance
and
not
because
I
don't
think.
Ultimately,
some
of
these
changes
are
going
to
be
incorporated
into
a
final
product,
but
I,
don't
quite
think.
We're
ready
and
I
and
I
need
a
little
more
time
to
consider
the
shift
from
moving
this
civilly
to
criminally
yeah.
A
Although
I
realize
an
infection
is
not
criminal,
although
handled
by
the
criminal
justice
system,
so
I'm
looking
at
an
important
defense
attorney
back,
there
smiling
at
me
for
making
that
he
could
probably
educate
us
all
on
this,
so
that
that's
where
I'm
landing
tonight,
I'm
hopeful
that
it
that
I
do
know.
This
is
gonna.
Take
a
while.
This
isn't
gonna
happen
tomorrow,
I'm
looking
at
our
city
manager
because
I
know
it'll
be
quite
an
undertaking
right.
So.
R
I
will
I
know
it.
I
will
withdraw
the
motion
to
do
this.
I
mean
I
will
say
you
know
as
we
go
through
this
and
staff
spends
a
lot
of
time
with
us
trying
to
explain
it.
I
understand
how
we
have
questions
here
as
well,
and-
and
that's
good
I
mean
we're.
This
is
part
of
our
deliberation,
but
you
know
having
some
of
these
discussions
earlier
on
before
we
spend
you
know
an
hour
or
so
doing
this.
R
If
we
have
concerns
like
this,
that
we
need
some
more
time
just
as
a
as
a
council
member,
it
would
be
healthy
earlier.
We
know
about
that,
the
better
it
is
so
we
don't
gin.
Everybody
else
up
and
and
kind
of
go
through
go
through.
This
particular
process
will
be
helpful
as
well,
but
I
will
withdraw
the
motion.
A
Okay,
well
good
discussion.
Thank
you
all
for
participating
in
that.
That
concludes
the
printed
agenda.
I
do
have
some
folks
that
are
signed
up
to
speak,
so
I'm
going
to
call
those
out.
This
is
an
opportunity
to
speak
on
any
topic
that
was
not
on
the
agenda
again.
You
need
to
state
your
name
and
you
will
have
three
minutes.
The
first
person
I
have
signed
up
to
speak
is
Rochelle
Cox,
who
I
think
I
saw
believe
she
left.
Yes,
okay,
Jonathan
I.
Have
you
next.
A
J
2019
should
be
a
better
year
Nashville.
We
can
breathe
a
little
bit
because
we
don't
have
an
election
happening
for
the
first
time.
This
is,
of
course,
by
way
of
Senate
bill,
eight
one
three
being
passed,
which
is
the
city
district
bill
and
that
bill
was
essentially
made
to
come
to
fruition
by
the
efforts
of
Terry
Van
Dyne,
who
authored
the
what
we'll
call
the
even
year
amendment
which,
in
addition
to
the
districts,
shifts
our
election
cycle
to
the
even-numbered
years.
J
J
Supposedly
in
return
for
the
bill,
agreeing
to
move
the
city
elections
to
even-numbered
years,
a
change
that
neither
Ashe
villians
or
their
representatives
had
sought
and
I
find
it
hard
to
believe
that
Terry
Van
Dyne
did
this
just
on
her
own
volition.
So
I
know
that
you're
not
obliged
to
answer
me
here,
but
could
you
possibly
add
some
clarification
to
anybody
on
city
council?
Ask
Terry
Van
Dyne
to
make
this
amendment
so.
J
J
Thank
you
for
that,
because
I'm
in
favor
of
the
even
eard
cycle
that
was
part
of
what
I
ran
on
in
my
epic
last
place
finish
in
2013,
so
I'm
I'm,
really
stoked
that
I
can
agree
with
you
on
this
issue.
2019
should
bring
some
great
change
from
current,
maybe
come
here
and
find
different
ways
that
we
can
agree
with
one
another.
So
thank
you
for
responding
to
me
personally
about
it
and
great
hope.
2019
continues
to
improve
appreciate
it.
AI
So,
looking
at
the
fact
that
overwhelming
numbers
of
a
civilians
voted
against
these
districts,
we
don't
want
it,
and
yet
that
was
a
while
ago.
Why
are
we
still?
Why
are
we
still
not
filing
action
on
this?
Is
it
because
there's
something
that
the
public's
not
aware
of
here?
Is
it
because
there's
a
there's,
a
shift,
that's
intentionally
being
put
into
place
to
deny
the
public's
opinion
on
this?
Is
there
as
ears
or
a
middle
road,
where
we'd
rather
keep
certain
candidates
here
and
still
have
an
election
this
year,
but
disadvantage
new
candidates?
AI
L
Members
of
the
council
I
stand
before
you
yet
again
to
advocate
for
both
low-income
renters
and
this
time.
Also
low-income
earning
landlords
I
understand
your
favor,
where
you
favor
people
using
honey
to
garner
your
attention.
But
when
folks
are
needlessly
placed
through
a
pressure
cooker,
they
are
not
going
to
be
putting
out
sweet
tea,
so
distracted
are
the
big
dollar
develop.
Are
the
bait
so
distracting?
L
Are
the
big
dollar
developers
and
loopholes
seeking
investment
piranhas
that
are
burdening
our
town
that
an
entire
micro,
economically
connected
group
of
your
constituents
is
being
raked
over
by
your
planning
development
office?
I
believe
I've
emailed
all
of
you
about
some
of
the
issues
that
I've
faced.
L
If
you'd
like
to
maintain
a
diverse
economic
population
in
our
town,
cohousing
and
creative
repurposing
of
existing
homes
is
necessary.
It's
beyond
time.
I
wrote
this
right
before
I
walked
in
it's
beyond
time
to
rein
in
your
paralyzing
development
code
departments,
which
enable
real
estate
and
development
pilfering.
L
All
while
being
forced
to
jump
through
arbitrary
decisions
by
code,
development
enforcement
officers
who
have
thrown
out
record-keeping
and
are
only
assessing
situations
as
if
everything
was
newly
built
I'm
dressed
the
way
that
I
am
because
it
just
came
out
from
underneath
the
basement
at
my
house,
because
the
zoning
code
enforcement
officer
this
week
has
decided
to
cite
me
for
not
latching
a
coal
hatch
on
my
1915
house.
He
doesn't
know
what
a
coal
hatch
is.
L
Same
officer
also
told
me
today
that
certificate
of
occupancy
x'
we're
thrown
out
by
the
state,
so
they're
not
enforceable,
but
and
they're
not
applicable,
applicable.
However,
they
are
because
they
prove
if
the
condition
was
previously
existing
I
have
two
things
that
I
really
just
want
to
share:
make
permitting
fees
in
the
department
sliding
scale
based
on
income
and
not
project
cost.
Second,
regarding
the
multiple
kitchens
just
allow
the
grandfathered
ones
to
exist
and
stop
allowing
permits
for
second
kitchens.
Thank
you.
Thanks.
AK
Thank
you
I'm
back
again
today
to
urge
you
strenuously
as
possible
to
fight
the
Senate
bill
to
district
Asheville's
City
elections,
we're
nearing
February
and
we
don't
know
whether
we're
having
elections
again
this
year.
The
assumption
is
that
we're
not,
but
if
you
act,
we
could
do
something
about
this.
These
kinds
of
laws
have
been
overturned
in
other
cities.
You
all
have
expressed.
Most
of
you
have
expressed.
You
know
dissent
with
this
law,
70%
of
Asheville's
voters,
70%
I've
never
witnessed
a
referendum
that
had
such
a
strong
turnout
in
one
direction.
AK
70%
of
Asheville's
voters
do
not
want
these
districts.
We
do
not
want
the
state
government,
particularly
this
current
state
government,
drawing
districts
in
Nashville.
They
are
not
necessary.
There's
nothing
wrong
with
our
current
system
and
we
have
not
heard
anything
from
you
all
about
this
and
we
need
to
know
what's
happening.
We
need
to
know
where
you
stand.
We
need
to
know
whether
you
are
going
to
choose
to
act
on
this.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
I!
Don't.
AH
AH
A
A
A
The
the
bill,
interestingly,
does
not
take
away
Asheville's
right
of
referendum,
which
previous
districting
bills
in
others.
These
did
so
you
know,
one
question
is:
is
that
option
open
rather
than
a
lawsuit,
if
it,
if
it
is,
is
that
a
better
option?
If
it
is?
How
do
you
do
that?
When
does
it
happen,
and
if
there,
and
if
there,
if
one
of
the
options
is
to
file
a
legal
claim
which
obviously
it
is,
what
is
the
strength
or
weakness
of
that
legal
claim?
A
The
most
recent
case
that
you
might
hear
about
is
the
Greensboro
case,
which
was
decided
in
federal
court.
Two
things
of
note
in
that
case
is
that
the
decision
turned
on
the
fact
that
the
legislature
took
away
Greensboro's
right
of
referendum,
and
that
was
the
basis
of
the
judge's
decision
striking
it
down.
We
don't
have
that
situation
here.
A
We
are
in
an
unprecedented,
so
I'm
sure
there
are
many
lawyers
who
are
here
at
the
opportunity
to
make
me
walk
on
this
issue,
but
we
we
really
need
some
expert
advice
to
make
a
decision
about
how
we
go
forward.
The
other
thing
to
note
is
that
the
the
amendment
that
moved
our
elections
to
even
years
was
not
part
as
I
understand.
It
was
not
part
of
the
a
change
to
our
Charter
and
therefore
there
there
really
wasn't
any
discussion.
A
I
heard
around
illegal,
even
a
potential
legal
challenge
to
that
piece
of
it
because
it
wasn't
it
wasn't
it
changed
our
Charter,
unlike
the
districts
which
is
a
change
to
our
Charter
as
I.
If
I'm
capturing
that
correctly,
that's
what
I
heard
in
terms
of
that
and
I
you
know
I
will
add
that
I
did.
Support
and
I
do
support
the
move
to
an
even
year
election
and
I'll.
Tell
you
why
I
had
many
conversations
with
Senator
Edwards
about
the
district
bill.
Many
and.
D
A
She
she
she
was
acting
on,
at
least
on
my
behalf
in
that
request
to
to
move
the
election
to
an
even
year.
If
we
had
to
have
the
district
bill
now,
I
could
not
speak
to
the
vote
on
the
district
bill
itself,
but
as
to
the
amendment,
I
did
favor
that
if
we
had
to
have
the
district
bill
so
and
and
actually
since
then
I
understand
that
at
least
three
more
municipalities
in
Buncombe
County
are
going
to
request
the
same
change
this
next
legislative
cycle.
G
AH
A
I
mean
it's
obviously
a
challenging
situation
for
us,
because
we
we
are
managing
this
in
a
closed
session
format
because
we're
receiving
legal
advice
about
it.
So
we,
but
we
haven't,
been
able
to
continue
that
process
because
we've
been
working
through
an
interim
City
Attorney's
situation
now,
realizing
that
we
are
going
to
be
reopening
the
advertising
for
a
city
attorney,
so
realizing
that
process
is
longer
than
we
were.
Anticipating
we've
asked
Sabrina
to
go
ahead
and
help
find
helps,
get
us
some
legal
advice
on
this
and
continue
that
conversation.