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A
Okay,
good
evening,
everyone
welcome
to
the
asheville
city
council
meeting
back
once
again
live
and
in
person.
Hopefully,
this
time
it'll
stick
and
if
you
could
all
begin
by
rising
for
the
pledge
of
allegiance.
A
A
few
items:
first,
the
item
concerning
the
appointments
to
the
reparations
commission
will
be
moved
to
our
next
council
meeting.
We
are
working
with,
as
you
may
or
may
not
know.
There
are
several
seats
on
the
commission
that
are
actually
appointed
directly
by
neighborhoods
themselves
and
we
are
working
with
the
neighborhoods
to
get
some
additional
information
that
needed
to
be
completed
and
submitted
to
us
for
the
final
nominations.
A
So
at
our
next
meeting,
we'll
be
able
to
complete
the
neighborhood
appointments
along
with
the
city
council,
appointments
and
the
county
commissioners
have
their
own
process
for
their
appointment.
So
that
item
at
the
end
of
the
agenda-
and
I
will
try
to
announce
that
later
in
the
meeting
as
well-
will
not
be
heard
today.
A
Under
good
news,
we
have
some
well
first,
let
me
remind
you
to
mute
your
cell
phones
and
also,
if
you
need
a
parking
sticker,
because
you
parked
in
the
civic
center
parking
garage
and
if
the
machines
are
working
which
they
may
not
be
working
anyway,
but
if
they
are
working
and
you
need
a
sticker,
you
can
get
one
at
the
sign
in
table
where
you
came
in
earlier
this
evening,
and
if
you
want
to
speak
on
any
item
on
our
agenda,
you
are
absolutely
welcome
to
do
so
and
you
we
just
ask
that
you
sign
in
at
the
table
which
will
be
open
throughout
the
meeting.
A
So
you
can
go
back
there.
If
you
decide
you
wanted
to
sign
up
something,
you
forgot
to
sign
up
for
it
or
you
just
change
your
mind,
feel
free
to
go
back
there
and
sign
up
and
they
will
continue
to
bring
me
sign
up
sheets
as
we
move
along
okay.
To
begin
with,
I
would
like
to
recognize
our
own
councilwoman
antoinette
mosley.
A
A
Councilwoman
osley
has
been
a
force
in
the
community
for
improving,
affordable
housing,
supporting
black
businesses
and
eliminating
racial
opportunity
gaps
in
local
schools.
So
thank
you
and
I
would
like
to
note.
There
were
three
other
women
who
were
recognized:
kathy
avery,
the
founder
and
owner
of
avery
health
education
and
consulting
sophie
dixon,
a
leader
in
the
shiloh
community
and
dr
thais
ruffin,
the
director
of
africana
studies
and
professor
of
africana
studies
and
education
at
unc.
Asheville.
A
Okay,
if
I
didn't
forget
any
of
my
other
things,
I
was
supposed
to
remember.
I'm
looking
at
our
clerk
make
sure
we'll
move
into
the
consent
agenda
and
we
have
a
request
by
councilwoman
rooney
to
remove
item
h
so
that
we
can
discuss
it
a
little
bit
before
we
vote
on
it.
Do
I
have
a
motion
to
approve
the
consent
agenda?
Excluding
item
h,
I'll
move?
Okay,
we
have
a
motion
of
a
second.
C
Good
evening,
council
members,
it's
a
pleasure
to
be
back
with
you
in
person.
My
comment
is
brief.
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
noted
item
b
on
the
consent
agenda,
which
is
the
kind
of
renewal
of
the
ground
lease
for
the
oakley
library,
and
I
want
to
say
that
that's
a
testament
to
the
community
that
rallied
around
the
oakley
library
to
save
it
from
consolidation
with
libraries
that
were
going
to
be
not
easily
accessible
to
the
local
public.
C
One
thought
that
arises
from
me
around
this
is
about
the
use
of
consultants
who
might
have
learned
about
the
strong
regard
in
which
the
whole
oakley
library
is
held
before
making
the
recommendation
to
consolidate
it
with
library
on
divided
from
that
community
by
large
highways
and
roads.
So
I
would
urge
you,
if
you're
hiring
outside
consultants,
please,
as
part
of
your
due
diligence,
require
that
they
contact
community
organizations
in
order
to
gather
their
input
before
making
their
recommendations.
A
Thank
you.
Okay,
we
don't
have
anyone
else
signed
up
to
speak
under
the
consent
agenda,
all
those
in
favor
of
the
motion
to
approve
the
consent
agenda
except
item
h.
Please
say
I
I
any
opposed
all
right.
Do
I
have
a
motion
to
approve
item
h
before
we
discuss
it.
A
So
we
have
a
motion
in
a
second:
do
we
have
a
staff
person
who
could
just
explain
a
little
bit
about
item
h?
This
is
the
one
million
dollars
to
be
allocated
to
a
fund
step
up
on
second
street,
absolutely.
D
A
Question
I
was
just
going
to
elaborate
a
little
bit
more.
If
so
folks
know,
this
is
concerning
the
ramada
inn
and
the
assignment
of
the
purchase
contract
for
the
ramada
inn
to
the
entity
out
of
california
called
shangri-la
who's
going
to
convert
it
to
permanent
supportive
housing
and
step
up
on.
Second
street
is
actually
the
entity
that
provides
the
supportive
piece
of
the
supportive
housing,
and
this
is
housing
that
is
specifically
targeted
to
help
folks
who
are
experiencing
homelessness,
move
into
supportive
housing,
correct
and
homeless.
E
E
D
Absolutely
I
think
the
the
bond
funds
were
not
available
for
this
use,
because
this
is
a
service
contract
in
its
form,
so
those
bond
funds
are
restricted
through
the
bond
through
the
bond
language
to
be
used
for
construction.
So,
in
this
case,
with
this
particular
agreement,
all
of
the
capital
improvements
associated
with
the
conversion
of
the
romana
into
permanent
support
of
housing
are
funded
privately.
So
really
it's
the
support
of
services
that
needed
to
be
funded
and
looking
at
our
array
of
funding,
this
was
the
best
possible
fit.
F
And
just
to
explain
my
upcoming
no
vote,
you
recall
that
I
voted
against
the
assignment
of
the
real
estate
contract
to
the
for-profit
entity
and
in
keeping
with
that
objection,
I'll
be
voting
no
on
this
again
this
evening,.
A
A
Okay
tonight
we
do
not
have
any
presentations
and
reports
on
our
agenda,
but
we
do
have
two
public
hearing
items.
A
And
again,
if
you
change
your
mind
and
you
decide,
you
want
to
speak
on
this
and
you
didn't
sign
up.
Please
just
go
back
to
the
table
and
sign
up
and
we
will
get
you
in
here
and
introducing
our
brand
new
planner
will
palmquist.
Did
I
say
it
right?
You
said
it
perfectly.
G
G
Thank
you
so
much
miss
mayor
so
happy
to
be
here.
My
name
is:
will
pompos
with
the
planning
and
urban
design
department
and
I'll
be
giving
the
presentation
for
this
request
to
conditionally
rezone
nine
parcels
at
the
address
of
6363
hilliard
avenue?
G
G
G
And
here
on
the
site
plan,
you
can
see
some
more
details
about
the
project
and
how
it's
broken
out
between
two
separate
structures
between
the
two.
There
will
be
proposed:
a
187
residential
dwelling
units,
as
well
as
commercial
and
amenity
and
leasing
space
building,
one
which
is
on
the
left.
The
larger
of
the
buildings
is
proposed
to
be
five
stories
and
it
will
have
the
commercial
and
amenity
leasing
space
on
hilliard
avenue.
G
Building
two
is
three
stories
and
residential
only
with
28
units
proposed
of
those
187
residential
units.
Five
percent
are
proposed
to
be
affordable
at
80
percent
ami
there's
also
about
200
off
street
parking
spaces
proposed,
67
of
which
are
going
to
be
covered
under
under
the
building
kind
of
tucked,
tucked
under
the
building,
so
they're
not
visible
from
clingman
avenue.
G
Also,
there
will
be
10
foot
wide
sidewalks
and
bike
lanes
on
hilliard
avenue
as
part
of
this
project.
Vehicular
access
to
this
parking
area
behind
the
buildings
will
be
via
hilliard
avenue
and
pearl
street,
and
the
project
is
proposing
to
close
one
public
alley,
which
is
known
as
clingman
avenue
rear
just
to
the
north.
Between
this
proposed
project
and
the
u.s
postal
service
property-
and
here
are
just
some
building
elevations.
G
Also,
as
envisioned
in
the
2000,
we
can
neighbor
weekend.
Citizens
master
plan
which
envisioned
that
clingman
avenue
between
hilliard
and
patton
avenues
would
be
a
mixed
use,
residential
and
commercial
street,
which
this
project
will
will
help
to
realize.
With
the
mixed
use
and
commercial
uses
being
proposed
on
the
ground
floor,
and
this
project's
been
reviewed
quite
a
bit,
I
won't
go
through
each
one
of
these,
but
essentially
had
a
lot
of
feedback
in
either
informal
or
formal
review
by
both
the
design
review
committee
and
the
downtown
commission.
G
G
And
there
are
a
number
of
conditions
associated
with
this
project.
This
highlights
some
of
the
more
significant
ones.
There
is
one
technical
modification
being
requested
as
part
of
this
conditional
rezoning,
which
regards
the
street
level
facade
openings
along
clingman
avenue
for
building
number
one
and
pearl
street
for
building
number.
Two
there's
also
conditions
that
five
percent
of
the
units
or
nine
units
total
will
be
affordable
at
or
below,
80
percent
ami
for
20
years.
G
Five
of
these
affordable
units
will
accept
housing,
choice,
hud
vouchers.
The
project
will
provide
10
foot
wide
sidewalks
along
clingman
avenue,
hilliard
avenue
and
pearl
street.
They
will
also
re-stripe
hillard
avenue
to
provide
bike
lanes
running
both
east
and
west,
as
well
as
the
left
turn
lane
on
hillard
avenue,
eastbound
onto
pearl
street,
to
help
with
any
queuing
issues
with
vehicles.
G
Therefore,
staff
cons
staff
concurs
with
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
and
recommends
approval
of
the
proposed
conditional
zoning
and
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
I
know
we
also
have
representatives
from
the
development
team
with
us
tonight.
That
could
be
glad
to
answer
questions,
I'm
sure
as
well.
A
And
did
you
have
a
question?
No,
okay,
no
questions
do
we
does
the
applicant
want
to
address
counsel.
G
You
can
go
right
to
the
desktop.
Is
it
already
on
there.
H
Madam
mayor
members
of
council,
it's
a
real
privilege
to
be
with
you
tonight
in
person.
We
appreciate
this
opportunity,
I'm
wyatt
stevens.
I
represent
delray
ventures
the
developer
of
this
project
and
we're
here
today
about
what
what
I
consider
to
be
one
of
the
more
exciting
projects
that
have
come
before
the
city
of
asheville
in
recent
years.
This
is
a
project
that
will
anchor
new
development
on
the
western
edge
of
downtown,
an
area
that
we
know
we're
having
problems
with
vagrancy
and
homelessness,
and
we
will
bring
people
that
live
there.
H
The
weekend
neighborhood
supports
this
project,
they're
right
down
the
road
from
us,
and
this
is
sort
of
the
capstone
to
all
the
redevelopment
efforts,
if
you
think
about
it
that
have
happened
in
that
neighborhood
over
the
last
20
years
before
2015
my
client,
a
family-owned
developer,
came
up
here
from
charlotte
and
partnered,
with
the
sheila
family,
a
local
family,
to
buy
what
was
then
just
a
an
empty
parking
lot
that
had
been
used
for
a
used
car
dealership
and
built
the
patent
apartments,
117
brand
new
units
and
a
part
of
town
that
a
lot
of
people
questioned.
H
Why
would
anybody
put
an
apartment
there,
but
they
did
and
it's
been
very
successful.
They
saw
an
opportunity
and
that's
a
picture
of
the
patent.
They
saw
an
opportunity
to
develop
the
rest
of
the
site
that
required
a
couple
of
things.
One
was
acquiring
all
of
those
parcels
and
you
see
that
in
red
and
the
other
was
fixing
a
city
storm
drain
that
had
been
backing
up
now.
H
That
was
something
they
had
to
do
for
the
the
patent
as
well,
but
it
it
had
to
be
done
to
develop
that
part
of
the
property,
and
this
section
that
goes
right
through
where
the
two
new
buildings
would
be
that's
where
this
brand
new
city
storm
drain
is
the
city
partnered
with
my
client
to
make
that
happen.
H
The
city
put
in
six
hundred
thousand
dollars
and
delray
spent
a
million
dollars
and
yeah
that's
money
already
spent,
but
it's
it's
evidence
of
my
client's
commitment
to
the
city
and
willingness
to
partner
with
the
city
to
solve
a
public
problem
which
was
a
failing
storm
drain
there
on
patton
avenue
the
the
project
is
expensive
to
build
on,
because
there
is
a
lot
of
fill
on
the
property.
A
lot
of
that
fill
actually
came
when
the
wall
street
parking
deck
was
built.
H
This
is
an
email
from
the
seller
of
one
of
the
parcels
to
my
client
20
feet
of
fill
in
some
locations
will
have
to
be
removed.
The
estimate
is
500
000,
it's
a
brownfield
site.
That
means
that
it's
contaminated
and
they
will
have
to
go
through
a
number
of
mitigation
measures.
They've
already
spent
about
a
hundred
thousand
dollars,
they're
estimating
an
additional
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
mitigate
that
site
and
make
it
safe
for
people
to
live
on
now.
H
It
is
true
that
they
they
will
get
a
tax
abatement
for
a
period
of
five
years
on
their
property
taxes,
but
they
have
to
front
that
cost
to
make
that
happen
and
and
it's
uncertain,
but
it
will
never
be
redeveloped
if
they
don't
they're
going
to
bury
power
lines.
These
are
the
ones
you're
looking
south
on
clingman.
That's
the
360
hilliard,
which
is
a
another
public-private
partnership
that
the
city
did
with
the
passenger
group.
H
That's
now
open
and
and
renting,
with
40,
affordable,
but
they're
at
a
cost
of
500
000
they're
gonna
bury
those
power
lines,
so
this
project
started
as
as
a
big
idea
and
it
got
better
as
it
went
along
and
it
got
better
through
working
with
city
staff
through
working
with
the
volunteer
design
review
committee
board
and
the
volunteer
planning
and
zoning
committee
to
make
it
as
good
as
it
possibly
could
they
activated
it
along.
H
This
is
clingman
avenue
with
these
these
stoops
that
will
open
out
and
make
it
very
approachable
and
walkable
they're
going
to
do
ground
level,
retail
8,
000
square
feet
of
ground
level,
retail.
It
will
just
bring
pedestrians
here.
It
will
be
good
for
the
neighborhood
and
it
will
be
good
for
the
entire
block
del
rey
ventures
happens
to
be
a
qualified
minority
contractor
daniel
jimenez
who's
with
me
tonight
is
a
second
generation
hispanic.
H
Delray
has
been
involved
for
years
with
a
really
a
great
initiative
that
the
city
of
charlotte
has
called
the
charlotte
business
inclusion
program
where
they
make
they
strive
to
find
minority
contractors
and
minority
workers
for
their
projects.
It's
it's
something
I
I
would
love
to
see
our
city
do
with
our
dei
program
here,
where
you
can
go
to
a
website.
H
H
H
That's
nine
units
that
we
don't
have
in
the
city
out
of
187
total
units
that
we
know
we
need
in
the
city
and
and
the
cost
of
that
affordable
housing
to
the
city
is,
is
zero.
H
Right
across
the
street,
the
city
selling
360
hillyard
at
below
market
value,
to
the
passenger
group,
as
well
as
making
a
1.4
million
dollar
50-year
loan
at
2
interest
and
giving
a
luigi
grant
that
totaled
560
thousand
dollars.
This
is
off
the
city's
website.
H
They
made
that
happen
and
we
created
we
as
a
city.
You,
together
with
passenger
group,
created
34
units,
but
that
costs
money
to
do
and
the
city
partnered
with
them
to
make
that
happen.
What
will
come
up
before
you
right
after
this
project?
Is
the
haywood
street
community
development
45
units
of
much
needed,
affordable
housing?
That
I
strongly
urge
you
to
support
a
wonderful
agency
is
involved,
but
it
would
not
happen
without
this
city's
support
to
the
tune
of
300
000
you've
already
spent
1.3
million
dollars.
H
You
will
hopefully
commit
to
spend
tonight
a
nine
hundred
thousand
dollar
loan,
similar
to
the
loan
that
you
gave
to
the
passenger
group
they're
going
to
require
two
million
dollars
from
dogwood
health
trust
and
at
least
750
000
from
the
county.
That's
how
you
make
affordable
housing
happen.
Is
you
work
together?
You
bring
community
partners
together,
like
dogwood,
like
the
county
and
you
partner
with
private
developers,
in
this
case
haywood
in
our
case
delray
ventures.
H
What
we
can't
do
is
commit
to
20
percent
with
a
luigi
grant,
because
the
numbers
don't
work,
so
what
we
are
doing
is
committing
to
five
percent,
because
it's
the
right
thing
to
do,
and
it
will
make
for
a
great
project
that
we
know
we
need,
according
to
the
bowen
report
in
buncombe
county
alone,
we're
short
5400
residential
units.
H
If
you
turn
this
down
tonight,
you
will
be
saying
you
know
goodbye
to
187
units,
nine
of
which
are
affordable,
because
chances
are
good
with
interest
rates
going
up
and
the
cost
of
construction
going
up
that
that
this
project
or
something
like
it,
will
not
get
built
for
the
foreseeable
future.
The
time
is
now,
and
I
would
urge
you
to
support
this
project,
even
if
you
do
so
on
the
condition
that
I
proposed.
E
Why
this
is
kim?
I
have
a
question
when
I
look
at
this
level
of
surface
parking,
I'm
concerned
about
the
contribution
to
our
urban
heat
island.
So
can
you
speak
to,
for
example,
what's
being
done
to
mitigate
stormwater.
H
Yeah
absolutely-
and
I
have
warren
sugg
here
warren-
do
you
want
to
speak
to
that
warren
sugg
of
civil
design
concepts?
Many
of
you
know
him
as
our
civil
engineer
on
the
project
and
and
he
can
talk
about
the
things
that
we're
doing,
to
try
to
address
that.
I
Good
evening
warren
sucks
civil
design
concepts.
Your
question
is
around
heat,
idling
effect
and
storm
water.
So,
as
part
of
the
reviews
with
the
the
volunteer
groups,
there
was
a
lot
of
push
in
asking
for
it
above
and
beyond
stormwater.
So
obviously,
within
the
city
of
asheville,
we'd
have
to
do
stormwater
controls,
specifically
on
this
site.
We
we
added
some
flumes.
We
added
some
stormwater
measures
that
were
actually
in
the
islands
themselves
as
well
as
looking
at
some
storm
water,
integra,
innovative
type
things
along
hillyard
as
well.
B
I
think
you
can
help
with
this
one.
I
note
that
in
the
application
there
was,
you
were
addressing
the
tree
tree
ordinance.
No,
that's
wrong.
I
can't
I
don't
have
the
right
word.
B
Yes,
but
you
were
so
in
order
to
be
to
conform,
you
were
planting
trees
but
you're
also
paying
into
the
fee
in
lieu,
and
I
guess
my
question
is:
is
I
mean
right
now
we're
having
a
hard
time
spending
the
fee
in
lieu
money
because
of
some
litigation
issues
etc?
So
my
question
is:
is
you
know
why
why
not
fulfill
the
requirement
with
trees.
I
So,
specifically,
along
street
trees,
along
hilliard
and
along
clingman
clingman
is
a
ncdot
roadway.
There's,
always
an
ongoing
discussion
on
how
where
you
can
place
the
actual
street
tree
with
their
safe
recovery
zone,
so
that
sort
of
dictated
and
we've
had
some
earlier
discussions
a
years
ago,
when
we
looked
at
this
site
to
push
those
trees
away
from
clingman,
specifically
on
hilliard,
there's
a
number
of
different
right-of-way
widths
there,
and
with
that
and
the
the
act,
the
need
to
activate
that
frontage.
I
We
wanted
to
have
the
street
trees
in
places
where
going
back
to
the
storm
water
discussion,
where
we
could
have
some
innovative
storm
water
and
we
could
make
up
some
great
difference.
Hilliard
has
quite
a
bit
of
of
slope
and
a
low
point
where
that
storm
drain
comes
through
and
with
these
buildings,
it's
nice
to
have
them
where
they
don't
have
such
a
step
going
left
to
right.
I
H
I
J
Warren,
if
I
may,
if
I
understand
correctly,
if
it's
an
ncdot
street
and
the
speed
limit,
is
35
or
higher
the
impediments
in
this
case,
a
living
tree
must
be
with
at
least
10
feet
from
the
roadway,
and
the
only
exception
is
a
dead
tree
in
the
form
of
a
telephone
pole.
Right
so
is
that
the
situation
is
that
is
that
accurate,
so
in
this
particular
drawing
which
I
can't
quite
zoom
in
enough,
you
were
able
to
get
them
10
feet
off
the
road.
That's.
I
H
H
You
know
plenty
of
projects
would
have
come
to
you
and
said
well,
the
d.o.t
won't
let
us
put
trees
and
so
we're
not
going
to
put
trees
there
I
mean
you,
I
mean
you
saw
the
renderings.
We
want
this
to
be
green
and
lush
and
beautiful,
and
then
on
the
inside.
This
is
what
warren
was
talking
about
earlier.
All
of
these
measures-
stephen
lee
and
others
on
the
design
review
committee-
said
what
what
can
you
guys
do
to
make
it
more
green?
H
J
J
H
B
And
why
can
you
answer
esther,
and
I
are
asking
some
questions
remind
me:
is
there
public
parking
here
at
all.
H
H
You
know
you,
you
have
to
have
enough
parking
for
your
retail,
so
yes,
there
I
mean
the
public
will
be
allowed
to
do
it
now,
how
they
figure
out
exactly
how
you
mark
those-
and
you
know
if
you
have
unit
number
50,
do
you
have
a
space
that
detail
has
yet
to
be
worked
out,
but
clearly
there
will
be
some
public
parking
in
this.
There
has
to
be
okay
to
get
any
retail
tenants.
Oh.
B
So
the
other
I
mean
you
know
just
thinking
about
that.
Thinking
about
that
neighborhood,
the
aston
park,
tennis
community
is
constantly
you
know.
Sort
of
discussing
lack
of
parking
is
any
of
this
space
I
mean.
Is
that
can
right
now
being
informally
used
for
the
aston
park
or.
D
B
H
Yeah,
I
I
don't
know
I
I
I
I
would
I'll
have
to
ask
my
client
whether
they're,
whether
people
are
just
parking
you
know
like
they
did
down
in
the
river
arch
district
for
a
long
time.
I
I
don't
know
I
I
would.
I
would
suggest
that
you
know
between
our
site
and
360
hillyard
right
across
the
street.
Surely
there's
an
opportunity
to
dedicate
some
public
parking
that
folks
could
use,
but
that
would
be
you
know
a
dialogue
we'd
have
to
have,
but
we
have
not
heard
until
you
mention
it.
H
We
have
not
heard
any
concerns
expressed
by
users
of
that
tennis
facility
that
oh
you're,
taking
away
our
parking
we
haven't.
We
haven't
heard
that
I
wouldn't
know
we
also
haven't
heard
any
concerns
from
the
cyclists
and
we
have
added.
H
I
didn't
mention
this,
but
if
you
look
down
on
the
corner
here,
my
client
has
given
up,
I
think
three
feet
of
their
property
to
move
inward
and
create
this
bike
lane
that
will
really
make
it
much
safer
than
what
we
have
right
now
and,
and
then
also-
and
we
didn't
really
talk
about
this-
but
this
left-hand
turn
lane
onto
pearl
will
sort
of
help
with
some
of
the
traffic
flow
issues
we
did.
We
do
have
a
traffic
impact
analysis
that
was
done.
H
It's
been
submitted
to
dot
and
as
a
condition
of
approval
anything
the
dot
wants
us
to
do.
Of
course,
we
will
do
that'll,
go
through
trc,
jeff,
moore,
a
former
city
traffic
engineer.
Did
that
he's
not
available
to
be
here
tonight?
But
but
you
know,
I
could
call
him
if
any
of
you
guys
had
any
questions
or
concerns
about
the
traffic.
H
But
his
report
speaks
for
itself,
but
there's
yeah
there's
a
lot
of
traffic
goes
through
there,
but
this
does
not
materially
make
it
any
worse
and
what
we've
done
with
the
right
in
and
right
out
from
this
entrance
and
exit,
you
know
addresses
some
of
that
and
then
this
left-hand
turn
onto
pearl
you
know
does
that
as
well.
I.
J
Have
a
question
along
that
vein?
We
know
that,
and
we've
heard
from
residents
that
the
traffic
that
backs
up
along
hilliard,
particularly
in
the
afternoon
starting
at
three
o'clock,
is
already
quite
complicated,
and
is
there
a
reason
that
you
did
not
create
an
ingress
egress
on
the
clingman
avenue.
I
So
klingman
a
lot
like
hilliard
is
a
key
pedestrian
way,
and
not
only
that
part
which
is
in
and
of
itself
a
discussion
if
you
were
to
look
at
where
the
existing
right-of-way
is
to
the
north.
That
begins
to
be
the
area
where
you
start
to
see
the
dedicated
right
and
left
turn
lane.
That
goes
down
onto
240
and
also
is
your
major
movement
onto
patton.
I
So
there
was
some
discussion
in
one
of
the
drc's
about
doing
that,
and
I
think
not
only
at
a
staff
level,
but
also
the
design
group
just
didn't
think
that
was
the
best
use
of
access
into
it.
H
And
I
would
say
also
you
know
remember
this:
this
project
also
has
access
on
hilliard.
I
mean
excuse
me
on
pearl
street,
so
you
know
plenty
of
folks
who
who
will
reside
there.
You
know,
will
drive
all
the
way
up
to
patton,
come
down
and
then
take
a
right
on
pearl
and
then
enter
through
the
backside
and
then,
of
course,
exit
out
from
pearl
street
or
come
come
up
around.
That
way,
folks
tend
to
find
their
way
around
the
traffic
jams
and
again,
according
to
jeff
moore.
H
J
I
do
have
one
last
comment:
we've
mentioned
the
design
review
committee
several
times
in
this,
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
those
of
you
listening
at
home
understand
this
is
the
design
review
committee.
That's
only
recently
been
started,
it's
six
or
eight
months
old,
I'm
not
even
sure,
but
they
did
a
tremendous
job
and
they
did
this
community
a
tremendous
service
in
their
volunteering.
J
It
went
back
to
this
committee
four
times
and
design
dramatically
changed,
and
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
thank
our
volunteers
for
taking
on
this
new
initiative
and
and
also
expressed
my
appreciation
to
staff
for
bringing
that
initiative,
because
this
design
review
committee,
I
used
to
sit
on
the
downtown
commission
where
we
reviewed
all
these,
and
this
committee
has
an
expertise
that
has
been
able
to
bring
us
a
much
more
attractive
and
functional
project,
and
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
thank
them.
Yeah.
H
I
would
commend
my
client
for
not
coming
in
and
doing
what
he
could
have
done,
which
was
build
a
building
three
times
this
tall
would
have
been
allowed
in
in
the
downtown
district.
He
wanted
to
build
something
they
wanted
to
build,
something
that
was
of
scale
and
then,
when
they
went
through
the
design
review
committee,
they
said
okay,
but
we
still
need
to
break
up
the
massing
and
that's
what
you
see
right
there
in
that
image
and
you
see
it
on
hilliard
as
well.
You
see
this
very
approach.
A
We
we
do
on
council
get
every
so
often
folks
say
you
know.
Why
can't
you,
you
know
you
more
tightly
regulate
what
the
look
and
appearances
of
every
building
that's
constructed,
and
that
is
a
challenge,
because
there
are
limitations
in
north
carolina
around
how
much
control
there
is,
but
but
the
design
review
committee
may
be
our
our
solution.
So
that
is
helpful
and
you
know
in
terms
of
the
height,
why
you
mentioned
your
last
comment.
I
mean
it
seems
to
me
that
apartment
construction
in
north
carolina
is
very
much
driven
by
the
building
code.
A
More
than
anything
because
once
you
get
higher
taller
buildings,
you're
looking
at
a
great
deal,
more
expense
to
comply
with
the
requirements
of
the
building
code,
and
so
I
under
I
see
why
developers
are
motivated
to
build
within
certain
height
limitations.
I
mean
you
go
to
any
city
now
you
kind
of
see
very
similar
construction,
and
that's
I
mean,
as
far
as
I
can
tell
driven
a
lot
by
the
cost
and
the
and
the
interplay
with
the
building
code.
A
I'm
just
trying
that
out
there,
because
I
remember
way
back
in
the
day
when,
when
the
downtown
master
plan
was
adopted,
there
was
a
whole
discussion
around
height
and
and
and
incentivizing
urban
infill,
and
it
seems
like
the
only
a
developer
who
can
afford
a
return
on
a
higher
building
as
a
hotelier,
apparently
in
in
this
economy.
So
that's
what
we're
seeing
council
we
have.
One
person
signed
up
to
speak
under
this
item.
Is
there
anyone
have
any
questions
or
comments
before
we
we
hear
from
the
public.
J
J
A
H
I
am
not
an
expert
on
that,
but
I
I
talked
to
my
partner
this
morning.
Billy
clark
as
I
understand
it,
it
it
and
the
law
is
what
it
is,
but
it
actually
is
mandated
by
the
state
to
incentivize
this.
The
brownfields,
you
know
restoration
if
you
will
and
and
so
it
affects
the
ad
valorem
local
taxes.
So
it's
not
money
coming
from
the
state.
It's
it's
money
that
the
the
city
of
the
county
won't
get
a
full
amount
on
the
increased
value
for
that
period
of
five
years
on
a
declining
basis.
B
So
far
so
for
five
years
the
city
doesn't
get
500,
no.
B
H
H
K
May
be
yeah
yeah,
I
I
don't
think
I
have
anything
to
add
to
that.
I
think
that
is
generally
how
the
program
works,
and
I
won't
pretend
to
be
an
expert
completely
on
the
state
tax
system
around
brownfields,
but
generally
it
is
local.
I
have
to
alarm
taxes
or
property
taxes,
that's
obviously
part
of
our
local
revenue
stream,
and
it
is
a
tiered
system
so
that
most
of
that
tax
benefit
is
in
your
first
year,
and
then
that
comes
down
such
that
there
is
no
benefit
after
five
years.
H
Don't
quote
me
on
that:
it'll
be
what
it
is
right.
So
you
take
this
existing
piece
of
property
that
has
a
value
these
collective
parcels,
and
then
you
add,
you
know
a
lot
of
investment
and
you've
increased
the
value
and
other
than
this.
This
property
tax
abatement
because
of
the
brownfields
restoration
other
than
that
you've
got
an
ongoing
income
stream
to
the
city
of
asheville
to
the
tune
of
millions
of
dollars.
J
H
H
You
know
I
first
learned
about
that.
Just
yesterday,
no,
the
the
luigi
grant.
We
had
act,
an
active
dialogue
with
paul
d'angelo
about
that,
and
you
know
a
luigi
grant
for
this
project
would
go
longer
way
longer
than
five
years
I
mean
it
would.
It
could
be,
I
think,
on
the
tribute
project,
17
or
18
years,
and
so
it's
many
magnitudes
larger
than
than
just
this.
This
abatement
no
way
he
was.
H
We
were
very
open
to
a
luigi
grant
under
the
former
rules,
which
would
be
10
percent,
and
I
would
encourage
the
city
to
you
know,
take
a
a
close
look
at
that
program
to
make
it.
You
know
a
little
more
flexible,
depending
on
the
the
cost
of
construction,
the
cost
of
the
site
where
you're
building
it.
What
you're
trying
to
incentivize
to
enable
more
partnership,
opportunities
for
affordable
housing,
like
you
did
across
the
street
and
like
you're,
getting
hopefully
getting
ready
to
do
with
haywood.
A
And
I
think
we've
now
amended
it
three
or
four
three
or
four
times,
but
still
looking
for
that
that
workable
model,
okay
counsel,
any
other
questions
before
we
good.
Okay.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
We
have
one
person
signed
up
to
speak
under
this
item
and
that
actually
I'm
sorry,
we
have
two
people
signed
up.
Well,
no,
okay,
why
you
signed
the
sign
up
sheet
all
right,
so.
M
A
We
have
one
person
signed
up
to
sign
to
speak
under
this,
which
is
jonathan
wayne.
Scott.
M
N
It's
nice
to
see
everybody.
I
just
drove
up
klingman
to
get
here
and
was
jammed
up.
You
know
as
like
the
number
one
person
at
the
green
light
to
get
across
hillyard
to
wait
and
the
whole
cycle.
I
was
first,
I
was
last
person,
but
I
was
the
first
because
it's
completely
jammed
up
and
there's
no
room
there
and
we
need
another
lane
or
something
to
happen
to
take
the
left-hand
traffic
that
needs
to
get
to
the
highway
and
all
this
kind
of
stuff.
N
N
I
mean
why
can't
the
building
be
pushed
back
a
little
more,
because
the
building
is
as
big
as
it
could
possibly
be
already,
and
the
reason
that
it's
not
six
stories
is
because
you
wouldn't
have
enough
parking
if
you
made
it
six
stories,
so
I
don't
see
the
generosity
of
oh.
We
didn't
make
it
as
big
as
you
as
we
needed
to
now.
N
You
made
it
as
absolutely
big,
as
you
could
possibly
squeeze
that
thing
in
there
and
we
don't
have
any
room,
and
we
wonder
why
I
don't
know
why
we
don't
have
the
traffic
situation
kind
of
figured
out
first
before
we
put
the
building
on.
I
don't
know
if
you've
also
seen
the
new
phenomenon
of
the
uber
and
lyft
drivers
who
have
to
stop
right
there
right
there,
I'm
stopping
right
there
and
you
don't
know
who
they
are.
N
You
know
it's
not
a
taxi
cab
and
they're
jamming
up
all
the
the
road,
and
I
got
a
rickshaw
and
a
pub
cycle
and
trees
in
a
turn
in
a
in
a
bike
lane
in
the
middle
of
the
road.
You
know,
which
I
don't
know
if
anybody
else
is
familiar.
You're
all
familiar
with
my
recent
criticism
of
our
road
experimentation
over
there
in
my
lup
beloved
hall,
fletcher
precinct,
you
know
it's
like.
N
Weird-
and
it's
obvious
what's
going
on
here-
you
know
it's
like
why
can't
you
give
10
feet
and
plant
those
trees
further
away,
I
mean
the
one.
The
little
circles
that
represent
the
trees
are
half
cut
because
they're
growing
up
against
the
building
itself.
You
know
I
mean
I
know
that
we
want
trees,
but
you
know
it's
like
planting
your
herb
garden
right
next
to
the
spot
that
you
get
out
of
your
truck
and
just
you
know,
because
it's
a
dumb
place
to
put
it
it's
not
real
special
architecture.
N
I
mean,
I
guess
it's
as
good
as
you
get
these
days,
but
it
looks
like
everything
out
of
dwell
magazine
for
the
last
decade.
I
do
like
the
name,
it's
the
it's,
the
name
of
one
of
my
sons,
avery
so
yay
that,
but
I
don't
know
man,
it's
like.
I
think
my
kid's
more
special
in
that
building
for
sure.
Anyway,
that's
what
I
got
to
say
thanks
thank.
A
A
Okay,
that
that
was
the
only
person
we
had
signed
up
to
speak
under
this
item
counsel.
Any
questions,
comments,
discussion
or
emotion,
I'll
make.
F
A
motion:
a
move
to
approve
the
conditional
zoning
request
for
the
property
located
at
363
hilliard
avenue
from
central
business
district
to
central
business
district
expansion
conditional
zone
and
find
that
the
request
is
reasonable
is
in
the
public.
Interest
is
consistent
with
the
city's
comprehensive
plan
and
other
adopted
plans
and
meets
the
development
needs
of
the
community.
In
that
the
request
one
encourages
responsible
growth
by
prioritizing
development
in
areas
targeted
for
growth,
too
increases
and
diversifies
the
housing
supply
by
providing
more
affordable
housing
options.
A
All
right,
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
any
other
comments
from
council
before
we
vote.
A
Okay,
I
you
know,
I
know
no
one's
saying
anything,
we're
we're
learning,
how
to
be
a
non-coveted
counsel
out
here
in
public
in
front
of
everybody.
A
I
you
know,
I
think
we
do
desperately
need
more
housing
in
in
the
city
and
and
we
are
challenged
with
a
robust
discussion
around
what
level
of
development
is
appropriate
for
our
growing
city,
and
you
know
I
think
there
there
is
a
temptation
to
say
yes
to
every
project
that
comes
before
us,
because
we
know
this
housing
need
exists,
but
but
I
don't
think
that
means
that
we
have
to
take
every
project
in
every
form
it's
presented
in.
I
I
do
want
to
see
this
site
developed.
A
J
If
I
may,
for
those
listening
at
home,
that
may
not
be
familiar
with
this
process,
perhaps
we
could
hear
from
our
attorney
mr
branham
about
what
this
means.
J
K
Absolutely
councilwoman
turner
there.
The
no
vote
tonight
obviously
means
that
the
conditional
zoning
is
not
granted,
which
means
the
project
has
proposed,
cannot
proceed.
The
rights
on
the
property
under
the
current
zoning
are
still
available.
If
any
future
proposal
were
to
come
forward,
particularly
from
the
current
owner
and
developer,
they
would
have
to
wait
a
full
year
under
our
code
before
they
could
present
a
similar
project.
J
Thank
you.
Is
there
some
kind
of
change
if
they
made
a
substantial
change
to
the
project,
they
could
come
back
before
the
12
months.
K
A
Okay,
thank
you.
That
concludes
that
matter.
We
have
one
other
item
of
one
other
public
hearing
item
that
has
two
parts.
This
is
the
343
and
357
west
haywood
street
project
and
we're
going
to
hear
from
nikki
reed,
but
I
mentioned
it
has
two
parts.
So
the
first
part
is
the
funding
piece
of
it
and
the
second
part
is
the
zoning
piece
of
it.
A
D
Great,
thank
you.
My
name
is
nikki
reed,
I'm
the
director
of
community
economic
development
and
I'm
here
to
present
on
both
the
land
acquisition
request
and
the
housing
trust
fund
request
associated
with
this
project,
so
key
takeaways
for
tonight.
So
staff
believes
this
is
a
strategic
opportunity
to
invest
in
a
partner
who
is
offering
deep
affordability
and
a
community
of
care
in
connection
with
the
core
services
of
the
haywood
street
community.
D
D
A
little
bit
of
background
here,
the
hayward
street
congregation
has
formed
a
501c3
nonprofit,
that's
haywood
street
community
development.
That's
our
applicant
here
tonight
and
their
intention
is
to
provide
permanent,
supportive
or
permanent,
affordable
housing
to
the
most
vulnerable
members
of
our
asheville
community.
D
This
will
be
haywood
street's.
First
effort
towards
developing
permanent
residential
apartments
here
in
asheville
and
city
council
had
previously
authorized
a
grant
in
the
amount
of
296
000
for
due
diligence
and
associated
pursuit
costs
to
haywood
street.
For
this
particular
project
at
this
location
was
that
my
timer?
Okay,
I
have
more,
if
that's
all
right,
so
the
concept
and
location.
So
it's
0.857
acres
and
the
parcel
that
location
addressed
343
and
357
west
haywood
within
that
45,
affordable
units.
D
They
have
designated
approximately
23
units
at
our
deepest
level
of
affordability,
that's
30,
ami
and
below
so
very
deep
affordability
there
for
23
units
and
then
nine
units
at
60,
ami
below
and
13
units
at
80
and
below
so
really
rounding
out
a
mix
of
incomes
at
this
location,
and
it
also
includes
about
5
550
square
feet
of
community
space
as
well,
and
I
think
we'll
hear
more
about
that
later
on,
there's
some
property
concept,
location
that
certainly
will
be
covered
through
the
conditional
zoning
portion
of
the
discussion
as
well
as
looking
at
the
floor
layout.
D
I
wanted
to
really
highlight
this,
because
what
we're
seeing
in
this
particular
application
is
not
just
single
family
or
single
uni
single
bedroom
units,
but
also
a
mix
of
two
and
three
bedrooms,
so
it
allows
for
families
as
well
at
this
location
and
so
here's
our
budget
and
funding.
So
with
the
total
project
budget
of
being
10
million,
you
can
see
the
funding
breakdown
here
of
how
they
make
this
project
pencil,
and
so
the
first
commitment
that
was
garnered
through
the
buncombe
county
commissioners
was
a
grant
of
749
thousand
dollars.
D
As
I
said
earlier
in
march,
they'll
be
going
before
the
dogwood
health
trust
for
a
2
million
grant
to
support
construction,
and
then
they
have
a
private
loan
commitment,
just
over
4
million
in
a
private
loan
and
then
also
equity
from
haywood
street
will
be
committed
in
the
amount
of
809
000..
So
the
city's
portion
of
funding
is
the
296
000
previously
committed
through
that
grant,
as
well
as
1.3
of
an
affordable
housing
bond
for
the
land
acquisition
and
then
904
000
for
the
housing
trust
fund
loan.
So
we'll
get
into
that
in
more
detail.
D
So
here's
the
funding
terms
for
the
loan,
so
904
000.
The
way
that
breaks
down
is
no
interest
and
deferred
payment
for
the
first
10
years.
What
we
understand
from
the
applicant
is
that
first
10-year
period
is,
is
really
important
to
really
stabilize
the
project
stabilize
the
occupancy
there
at
the
project,
then
thereafter
they
will
begin
paying
interest
at
a
rate
of
one
percent
for
the
next
10
years
and
then
at
year,
20.
The
loan
will
either
convert
to
an
amortizing
loan.
D
Therefore,
paying
principal
and
interest
for
30
years
at
a
one
percent
interest
rate
or
if
they
choose
to
refinance
the
entire
stack
at
that
time,
then
they
would
pay
off
their
debt
to
the
city.
So
really
looking
at
a
total
loan
term
of
potentially
50
years,
but
it
could
be
shortened
if
they
choose
to
pay
it
off
at
year.
20.
D
And
then,
in
terms
of
the
grant
for
the
purchase
of
the
land,
that
is
a
1.3
million
dollar
purchase
price
on
that
piece
of
property
there,
and
that
land
will
be
secured
by
a
deed
restriction
to
ensure
that
that
that
site
is
deed,
restricted
for
permanent
affordability,
permanent,
affordable
housing
at
that
site,
and
so
the
way
we
have
structured
this
land
agreement
is
that,
should
the
project
not
come
to
fruition,
then
haywood
street
would
sell
the
site
and
repay
the
city
for
this
grant
amount,
and
I
want
to
just
go
back
just
for
a
second.
D
D
I
think
that's
really
what
makes
this
project
unique
and
also
having
those
the
ability
to
restrict
the
project
for
permanent
affordability,
to
ensure
that
long-term
supply
of
affordable
housing
is
very
important
to
our
overall
portfolio
of
affordability,
and
with
that
I
believe
we
were
going
to
ask
for
a
motion.
I
can
answer
questions
or
we
also
we're
going
to
invite
the
applicant
to
speak
on
their
funding
request.
B
Thank
you
nikki.
I
appreciate
it.
If,
let's
can
you
go
back
to
funding
sure
cheat,
I
guess
what's
what's
let
me
just
say:
I'm
really
disappointed
that
the
county's
in
for
750
000
only
749
right,
not
even
750.
and,
and
you
know,
sort
of
what's
the
model
here
I
mean
you
know.
Is
it
always
going
to
be
that
the
city
has
to
jump
in
and
commit
to
half
the
project?
B
I
know
it's
not
half,
I'm
exaggerating
you
know,
and
then
the
county
we
thank
them
gratefully
for
a
third
of
our
investment.
I
mean,
what's
you
know,
what's
the
model
here,
it
was
my
understanding.
They
were
completely
all
in
on
affordable
housing
and
this
is
permanently
affordable,
housing,
deeply,
affordable,
etc,
and
so
what
sort
of
stopped
them
from
being
in
to
the
same
level
that
we're
in
and
then
therefore
not
requiring.
B
D
And
I
think
I
can
talk
perhaps
in
specifics,
but
then
just
look
at
our
overarching
relationship
with
the
county,
because
I
think
when
we
look
at
look
back
at
other
partnerships
that
we've
done
with
the
county.
Lee
walker
heights
is
a
great
example
where
we
were
both
in
equal
footing
on
funding
that
gap
and
now
that
was
of
course,
a
low-income
tax
credit
project
right
where
the
gap
was
well
known.
It
had
a
number
of
units
that
was
supported
by
that.
So
we
went
in
on
equal
footing
with
the
county.
D
I
honestly
think
we
are
still
working
on
what
partnership
looks
like
with
the
county
long
term,
I'm
in
conversation
with
their
affordable
housing
point
person
there
to
really
start
thinking
through
how
we
partner
in
a
major
way
with
the
county.
I
don't
know
if
I
can
speak
directly
on
why
they
chose
to
fund
this
amount,
but
I
think
that
that
conversation
is
ongoing
and
it's
something
that
we
certainly
want
to
continue
having
those
discussions
with
the
county.
A
So
you
know
we
we
various
ones
of
us,
including
me,
talked
to
county
commissioners
and
the
chairman
periodically
and
have
had
a
lot
of
conversation
around
this
project
and
other
housing
projects,
and
you
know-
and
I
think
it's
no
secret-
that
the
county
has
stated
through
their
subcommittee
that
concentrates
on
housing,
that
they're
focused
on
tax
credit
financed
housing,
and
this
is
not
a
tax
credit
finance
project
and
where
they're
at
and
that's
a
very
valid
point
is
that
tax
credit
financed
housing
there's
a
lot
more
bang
for
your
buck.
A
If
you
will,
in
terms
of
the
government
subsidy
of
of
affordable
housing,
that
is
supported
by
tax
credit
financing,
because
you're
just
able
to
leverage
a
lot
more
funds
and
produce
more
units,
you
know
this
project
is
probably
too
small
to
be
supported
by
tax
credit
financing.
It's
very
complicated
to
do
this
developer.
A
This
partnership
is
a
first
timer,
so
you
know
so
we're
seeing
something
a
little
bit
different
here,
but
the
county
is,
you
know,
I
don't
know
if
they've
adopted
it
as
a
formal
policy,
but
I
think
they're
going
to
be
focused
on
at
least
four
percent
tax
credit
finance,
affordable
housing,
which
is
something
we
also
fund
as
a
city
as
well.
We've
done
many
many
we've
funded
many
many
projects
that
are
four
and
nine
percent
projects,
but.
O
Now,
yeah,
because
I
thought
I
felt
like
we
were
all
in
at
the
beginning
as
funding
partners
and
then
it
we
get
to
this
part
the
11th
hour
and
they
give
us
the
7
50..
So
again,
what's
the
well,
I
don't
think
so
what
changed?
Because
if
it
never
if
it
was
never
a
tax
credit
project-
and
we
come
this
far
along
then
maybe
we
need
some
feedback.
So
we
can
strengthen
our
partnership
and
be
very
clear
about
what
projects
they
would
like
to
partner
fully
on
a
match.
A
And
I
agree,
and
hopefully
I
mean
I
think,
that
position
around
the
tax
credit
financing
being
a
piece
of
their
decision
to
fund
projects
was
an
evolving
idea.
That
is
just
gelled
up,
unfortunately,
sort
of
right
as
this
was
happening,
and
this
was
sort
of
a-
and
maybe
you
I
don't
know
if
you
can
speak
to
it
more,
but
this
was
kind
of
all
right.
We'll
do
this
one,
but
this
is
the
last
one
kind
of
a
that's
sort
of
what
I
was
hearing
hearing
from
them.
A
So
and
I
and
I
don't
know
that
there
was
you
know,
I
think
the
commission
sort
of
internally
had
to
kind
of
wrestle
with
each
other
and
I'll.
L
Share
this
with
you
ask
a
question
when
you
were
saying
that
basically,
they
were
sort
of
on
equal
footing
with
buncombe
county
and
lee
walker
heights.
How
much
was
the
cost
per
unit
of
the
leewalka
heights
as
opposed
to
the
cost
per
unit
of
what
we're
doing
with
haywood.
D
I'm
afraid
I
don't
know
that
off
the
top
of
my
head.
I
know
it
was
a
total
212
units.
The
city
contributing
4.2
million
alongside
buncombe
county
for
4.2
million
housing
authority,
also
contributed
amount,
and
I
don't
have
that
number
off
the
top
of
my
head
and
then
they
leveraged
the
tax
credit
financing
to
secure
the
remainder
of
the
fund.
L
J
I
have
to
give
them
props
I
mean
they
haven't,
always
had
affordable
housing
goals
or
plans,
or
even
a
committee
until
the
last
two
or
three
years,
and
I've
been
involved
in
our
affordable
housing
committees
for
a
long
time,
and
I
think
when
I
got
involved
seven
or
eight
years
ago,
the
we
were
looking
at
20
000
per
unit
subsidy.
That
was
our
policy.
That
was
our
standard.
We
didn't
go
over
it
and
since
then,
as
prices
have
gone
up,
the
value
of
land
has
gone
up.
J
Construction
costs
have
gone
up,
we
have
adopted
a
larger
amount
and
we
did
our
own
study
with
the
high
impact
sites
that
showed
us.
It
would
be
80
to
100
dollars
per
unit
to
bring
it
down
to
affordable.
So
I
think
to
this
conversation
you
know
we're
used
to
for
us.
This
is
a
forty
five
thousand
per
unit,
ask
of
which
a
large
portion
is
a
young
alone,
but
for
the
county
they
were
pretty
clear.
J
You
know
they're,
looking
at
tax
credit
projects,
they're
looking
for
that
20
per
and
they're
used
to
having
county
land
that
is
less
expensive,
so
I
think,
as
they
mature,
I
think,
is
actually
part
of
this
process.
What
they
did
was
went
back
to
their
affordable
housing
committee
and
amended
their
goals
to
remove
three
or
400
units
from
that
broad
goal
for
these
kinds
of
situations,
understanding
that
not
every
project
they
face
will
be
a
tax
credit
project.
A
Every
eager
beaver
motion
people
we're
we're
going
to
hear
about
the
zoning
part
first
and
then
we'll
do
both
and
also
we
got
to
open
the
public
hearing
before
emotion
is
made
anyway
on
the
zoning
piece.
So
I
am
appreciative
of
your
eagerness,
but
let's
and.
D
P
What
we
are
not
proposing
on
343
and
357
west
haywood
street
is
permanent,
supportive
housing
nor
a
direct
service
agency
to
the
wider
community,
nor
a
low
barrier
shelter.
What
we
are
proposing,
however,
is
45
one
two
and
three
bedroom
apartments
on
the
edge
of
downtown.
As
nikki
said,
these
are
100
affordable
in
perpetuity,
and
we've
asked
that
the
land
be
deed,
restricted.
P
Accordingly,
of
all,
the
statistics
that
are
most
glaring
in
the
bowen
report
that
one
that
stands
out
most
to
me
is
the
need
for
twenty
four
thousand
six
hundred
and
sixty
units,
regionally,
half
of
which
need
to
be
at
thirty
percent
ami
following
the
need.
A
majority
of
our
apartments
are
for
folks
making
upwards
of
fifteen
thousand
dollars
a
year
annually,
who
will
be
voucher
holders
and
as
an
interesting
note,
among
voucher
holders
currently
in
public
housing.
87
percent
are
extremely
low
income,
64
percent
are
people
of
color.
P
39
percent
are
single
mothers
wanting
to
be
good.
Neighbors
haywood
street
has
attempted
to
be
exhaustive
in
our
outreach,
and
we
can
we've
made
nearly
200
contacts
via
phone
email
and
text.
We've
also
had
four
voluntary
meetings
on
site
open
to
the
public,
in
addition
to
our
trc
required
meeting
and
we've
created
a
transparency
tracker
online
so
that
folks
can
follow
all
the
dates
all
the
drawings
and
all
the
decisions.
P
We
know
that
this
is
our
first
deal
and
we
have
tried
to
grow
our
capacity
in
a
number
of
ways.
Most
importantly,
we
are
finalizing
a
contract
with
givens
estates
to
our
property
management.
They
are
here
with
us
tonight.
They
have
over
1500
residents
across
asheville
and
waynesville,
some
of
whom
are
low
income
and
they've
got
40
years
of
experience,
managing
and
developing
properties.
P
Eight
years
ago,
we
partnered
with
ward
griffin
of
grace
construction
he's
a
contractor
and
a
consultant
he's
got
20
years
of
experience
and
done
over
500
transactions.
He
personally
has
welcomed
voucher
holders
and
his
properties
and
built
multi-family
and
then
finally,
at
haywood
street,
on
the
congregation
side,
we
have
slept
overnight
in
shelters.
We
have
visited
in
camps,
we
have
blessed
keys
to
single
wide
trailers.
P
We
have
been
there
for
moving
day
in
aston
towers.
We've
also
lived
with
people
in
poverty
24
hours
a
day
every
day
of
the
week
in
our
respite
center,
and
we
have
spent
12
years
on
the
street
loitering
on
the
corner
of
poverty,
listening
to
people
who
need
housing,
the
most
to
inform
tonight's
proposal
and
then
finally,
equity
is
not
something.
That's
just
an
important
issue
to
us.
It's
an
essential
one
painfully
aware,
especially
after
our
experience
on
ashland
avenue,
of
how
white
supremacy
is
entrenched
in
our
nation's
housing
policy.
P
P
We
invite
those
of
you
who
feel
so
committed
to
this
issue
to
take
a
stack
of
applications
yourself
and
hand
them
out
to
folks
who
need
housing
the
most
so
on
behalf
of
the
haywood
street
team,
many
of
whom
are
here
tonight
the
weekend
neighbors,
who
have
been
so
supportive
all
along
and
most
significantly
the
neighbors
that
need
this
housing
the
most.
We
are
grateful
for
your
consideration.
A
L
P
L
Public
are
you
talking
about
public
housing?
Yeah
public
housing
actually
have
a
tier
program
where,
basically,
if
once
your
income
increase,
then
your
rent
increase.
I've
actually
had
clients
there
that
I've
actually
been
able
to
put
them
up
condos
for
the
same
price
that
they're
planning
in
housing,
because
their
income
went
up.
P
L
Yeah,
I
was
just
hoping
that
you
could
maybe
give
me
some
highlights
for
that
particular
company.
How
they've
looked
at
what
public
housing
is
doing
and
that
you've
improved
on
it
and
given
us
a
better
model.
J
L
No,
no!
No!
No.
I
don't
expect
that,
but
I'm
as
far
as
the
actual
product
and
what
it
offers
it's
very
similar
to
the
same
thing,
and
I
was
just
trying
to
sort
of
get
it
like.
A
lot
of
people
are
really
concerned
with
what's
going
on
in
public
housing
and
the
reason
I
say
that
is
because
it
actually,
it
doesn't
really
do
what
it's
supposed
to
do.
I
look
at
public
housing.
L
It
should
have
been
an
interim
sort
of
in
between
someone
just
starting
out
and
moving
them
to
a
permanent
housing,
but
basically
it's
become
a
place
where
people
just
stay
and
the
business
model.
There
does
not
work
and
I
think
that's
a
big
issue
with
public
housing.
So
I
was
hoping
that
this
particular
project
that
you
were
doing
was
going
to
offer
us
different
options
as
to
where
you
would
go
with
that
lower
ami
income
qualifications
and
how
you
would
move
forward.
I
was
just
hoping
for
a
new
different
model.
I'm.
F
L
A
A
Typically,
though,
with
tax
credit
financing
which
you're
struggling
with
you,
don't
have
that
so
you're
having
to
reach
out
to
more
resources
to
help
finance
it
and
a
lot
of
communities
have
non-profit,
affordable
housing.
Builders
in
them
are
our
primary,
so
I
would
I
I
would
disagree
that
this
isn't
this
public
housing
is
very
different.
It's
it's
hud,
I
mean
the
only
thing
similar
might
be
the
the
vouchers
allowable
by
some
residents.
I
mean
well.
L
I
was
looking
for
a
model
that
would
basically
his
model
would
be
more
or
less
helping
assisting
people
for
it
and
moving
them
through
the
system,
as
opposed
to
being
a
place
where
people
just
yeah
more
or
less
a
transitional
housing.
That's
what
I
was
hoping
for
and
because
people
will
get
stuck
in
a
certain
place
and
then
we've
just
got
45
units
rented,
for
you
know
same
type
of
thing,
with
housing.
L
F
L
J
Mean
I'm
not
sure
what
kind
of
different
model
you're
looking
for
if
this
project
will
be
the
new
model
goal
or
something,
but
I
think
there
are
some
differences
in
that
there
are
higher
amis
here
than
public
housing
allows,
and
there
are,
there
is
community
space
and
perhaps
more
services
readily
available
to
folks.
Is
that
helping
you
at
all
or.
L
J
Do
want
to
share
one
thing
about
the
vouchers
that
is
interesting
and
hasn't,
isn't
necessarily
transparent
in
all
of
these
projects,
when
we
approve
projects
that
include
the
housing
choice
voucher
what
that
means.
There
are
really
two
types
of
vouchers
you
can
live
in
within
a
public
housing
community
or
you
can
get
what
we
call
these
housing
choice,
vouchers
where
you
can
take
them
out
into
the
community
and
use
them
in
other
rentals
and
what
happens
here
so
I
think
the
figure
is
2107.
J
People
are
on
the
wait
list
for
these
housing
choice
vouchers
and,
in
this
case
23
units,
I
believe,
is
that
right,
23
units
will
accept
them,
but
what
it
really
means
is
46.
Families
will
be
helped
because
those
in
the
public
housing
community
will
be
able
to
use
their
housing
choice,
voucher
and
their
space
will
open
up
for
the
next
23.,
and
I
think
that's
something
we
also
see
with
the
thrive
program.
If
you
all
are
familiar
with
that-
and
this
is
this-
is
a
similar
situation.
E
This
is
kim.
I
just
want
to
name
a
young
person
that
I
interacted
with
recently
who
works
full-time
in
a
restaurant
and
they
can't
afford
an
apartment,
and
so
they
were
staying
in
in
with
their
family
and
their
family's
lease
was
threatened
because
there
were
too
many
people
in
the
building.
E
So
then,
this
young
person,
who's
working
full-time,
will
never
get
inside
a
shelter
that
has
a
curfew
in
time
because
they
don't
get
off
work
until
10,
30
or
11.,
and
so
this
family
plays
a
cycle
of
helping
this
young
person
camp
and
have
access
to
their
family.
Some
might
say:
hey
it's
too
expensive.
You
have
to
leave,
which
means
leaving
their
entire
community
of
resources.
E
E
L
J
Sandra
I
actually
appreciate
your
thoughts
on
this
and
would
love
for
the
housing
commissions
to
talk
about
this,
because
to
your
point
of,
was
it
meant
to
be
a
forever
housing
situation?
Was
it
it's
a
discussion
that
needs
to
be
had
probably
not
in
light
of
this
project
or
before
us,
but
I
do
understand
your
what.
A
You're
getting
at
well
and
if
you
have
those
questions,
then
probably
a
lot
of
people
have
those
questions
I
mean
you
know
we
sit
here
and
look
at
housing
all
the
time
and
we
are
deeply
now
educated
about
all
the
different
types
of
housing,
all
the
different
ways
to
fund
the
construction
of
housing,
all
the
different
ways
to
rent
and
own
housing.
But
that's
not
something
everybody
spends
all
their
time
looking
at.
So
I
think
the
question
is
important.
You
know,
because
probably
a
lot
of
people
in
the
community
have
the
same
question.
E
And
sandra,
thank
you
also
for
naming
that
our
housing
authority
neighborhoods,
are
mixed
income
because
folks
are
getting
in
a
place,
and
sometimes
what
I'm
hearing
is
folks
desire
to
stay
close
to
community
developed
in
that
place
too.
So
there's
beauty
and
joy
and
community
being
built
in
a
neighborhood,
and
I
don't
want
to
disregard
that
that
that
is
happening
in
our
housing
authority.
Neighborhoods.
A
Well,
pastor
comes
thank
you
for
indulging
us
in
our
conversation.
While
you
stood
there
do
do
you
have
anything
he's
like
he's
like
okay?
So
if
there's
not,
unless
you
have
something
more
to
add.
R
The
the
item
that
I'm
going
to
be
presenting
on
is
the
rezoning
application
or
the
conditional
zoning
application
for
the
property
located
at
343
and
357
west
haywood
street.
These
are
the
properties
that
are
on
the
north
side
of
west
haywood
street,
directly
adjacent
to
the
I-240
controlled
access
right-of-way.
R
R
R
In
this
particular
case,
the
subject
properties
are
designated
downtown,
which
calls
for
high
density
residential,
mixed
use
in
areas
that
are
are
walkable
and
will
complement
other
downtown
uses
and
surrounding
neighborhoods,
because
the
prose
plan
is
consistent
with
this
designation.
A
change
in
the
future
land
use
map
will
not
be
required.
R
Looking
at
the
exhibit
b
aerial
image,
you
can
see
that
the
property
today
is
currently
undeveloped,
as
are
the
property
to
the
east,
west
and
north,
and
you
see
that
controlled
access
right
of
way
for
interstate
240.,
the
property
on
the
on
the
west,
as
well
as
the
north,
that
is
the
right-of-way
property
to
the
east,
is
some
additional
commercially
zoned
property
and
to
the
south.
R
R
Moving
on
to
the
site
plan,
the
area
highlighted
in
gray
is
represents
the
building
footprint.
As
you
heard
earlier,
the
proposal
is
to
build
a
single
multi-family
four-story,
building
totaling
approximately
49
000
square
feet.
The
building
will
be
just
under
42
feet,
tall,
providing
45
residential
units
all
affordable.
R
So
you
would
access
the
site
from
the
the
driveway
that's
located
here
in
the
south
west
corner
and
you
drop
down
that
driveway
around
to
the
back
of
the
building
and
you
can
park
under
the
building,
and
you
can
see
there's
also
a
small
bit
of
surface
parking.
There
also
included
is
a
10
foot
wide.
It's
a
minimum,
10
foot
wide
sidewalk
and
parts
it'll
be
a
little
bit
wider
than
that
with
street
trees,
as
well
as
some
indoor
and
outdoor
community
space.
R
The
something
also
that
is
included
in
the
site
plan.
That's
not
represented
on
the
plan
itself,
is
the
applicant
has
agreed
to
provide
a
pedestrian
crossing
across
west
haywood
street.
We
think
this
is
really
important
because
it
not
only
helps
connect
this
project
to
the
rest
of
the
neighborhood,
but
it
connects
to
the
existing
sidewalk
on
the
south
side
of
west
haywood,
which
then
connects
to
transit
stops
and
onto
the
downtown.
R
Looking
at
the
building
elevation,
you
can
see
the
four
stories
and
the
residential
character
of
the
building.
There
is
the
primary
front
entrance
located.
It
looks
kind
of
small
in
scale,
but
there's
your
front
entrance
as
well
as
some
balconies,
so
the
you
can
see
the
project
is
residential
and
character,
and
the
materials
are
also
typically
what
we
find
in
our
residential
communities.
R
The
elevation
at
the
rear
adds
that
structured
parking,
underneath
it's
that
same
four
stories
with
the
with
that
additional
structure
kind
of
tucked
below
it
looks
a
little
bit
different.
It's
a
different
software
program
that
created
this
rendering,
but
you
can
see
it's
got
some
color
to
kind
of
help
represent
a
conceptual
color
palette,
as
well
as
a
mix
of
materials.
R
The
building
floor
plan
nikki
showed
this
to
you
earlier.
You
enter
from
the
street
into
a
long
hallway,
and
the
units
are
arranged
off
of
that
long.
Hallway.
I'd
also
like
to
point
out
on
the
on
the
east
end
here
is
that
community
space,
so
this
this
project
includes
two
multi-purpose
or
community
rooms
that
could
be
used
to
support
a
variety
of
activities.
R
All
of
our
conditional
zonings
are
examined
for
alignment
with
the
city's
comprehensive
plan
and
other
plans,
as
it
relates
to
the
living
asheville
comprehensive
plan
I
mentioned
earlier.
This
project
is
consistent
with
the
future
land
use
designation
of
downtown
it
encourages,
or
it
includes,
or
represents,
responsible
growth
by
providing
infill
development
in
our
targeted
growth
areas
and,
in
this
case
they're
providing
housing.
R
All
of
our
conditional
zonings
also
include
a
list
of
project
conditions
that
become
part
of
the
approval
of
the
project.
These
conditions
basically
describe
the
project
and
all
of
the
features
and
positive
aspects
that
will
be
included.
It
will
also
identify
any
technical
modifications
that
are
requested
by
the
application.
R
In
this
particular
case,
we
have
three
technical
modifications:
we're
seeing
a
small
increase
in
the
density
building,
height
and
structure
size
that
represents
anywhere
from
five
to
nine
percent
increase,
depending
on
which
of
those
standards
you're.
Looking
at
when
we
look
at
technical
conditions,
we
also
look
at
what
are
the
features
included
in
the
project
that
might
help
mitigate
or
offset
any
impacts
from
this
project.
R
Some
of
these
mitigating
conditions
are
endemic
or
they're
kind
of
built
in
to
the
context
of
the
site.
Others
might
be
things
that
we
require
as
part
of
the
application
in
this
particular
case,
the
property.
The
subject
properties
are
located
directly
adjacent
to
the
I-240
interstate.
So
we're
not
as
concerned
about
its
compatibility
against
that
property,
as
we
would
be
say.
If
it
were,
you
know
next
to
a
single-family
home,
it's
also
within
scale.
R
R
The
project
is
also
consistent
with
the
mass
and
scale
of
other
projects
in
our
in
that
downtown
future
land
use
area
that
I
mentioned
earlier,
and
these
are
the
so
those
are
the
the
kind
of
contextual,
mitigating
factors
that
are
included
in
this
application.
R
We
also
have
those
things
that
the
applicant
has
committed
to
through
their
proposal,
so
the
architecture
that
takes
cues
from
the
existing
community,
the
pedestrian
orientation
of
the
building,
with
the
wider
sidewalks
structured
parking
with
minimal
surface
parking
and
the
new
pedestrian
street
crossing
that
isn't
there
today
and
then,
of
course,
we
also
look
at
conditions
that
help
represent
or
support
the
city's
comprehensive
goal.
In
this
particular
case,
we
have
the
great
public
benefit
of
those
45,
affordable
housing
units
and,
what's
not
typical,
that
we
see
in
development
applications.
R
R
So,
in
conclusion,
staff
agrees
with
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
and
recommends
approval
of
the
proposed
conditional
zoning.
That's
before
you
and
with
that
I'll
conclude,
my
presentation
be
happy
to
take
any
questions
any.
J
J
A
Right,
yes,
first,
we
need
a
motion
on
yeah
item
b1
the
funding
portion
of
it
so.
L
J
A
All
right
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
and
before
we
vote
I'd
just
like
to
say
I
mean
I
don't
remember
when
we
first
met
about
met
about
this,
but
I
I
did
when
it
was
a
seed
and
it
looked
like
a
long
road,
and
I
wasn't,
I
wasn't
sure
so.
Congratulations
to
asheville
that
you're
at
this
point
because
we're
we
will
win
all
of
us
from
from
you
making
the
incredible
effort
you've
made
to
get
to,
and
now
your
next
one
should
be
like
half
the
time.
E
Politics
problem
right:
I
did
have
one
quote
comment
before
we
vote.
If
that's
okay,
there
is
one
thing
that
would
just
make
this
so
much
more
joyful
in
projects
like
this
in
general.
A
M
J
I
will
motion
to
approve
the
conditional
zoning
request
for
the
property
located
at
343.
I'm
a
little
excited
sorry
34357
west
haywood
street
from
community
business
cb,
one
to
see
community
business.
Two
conditional
zoning,
all
these
letters
and
find
that
the
request
is
reasonable
is
in
the
public
interest
is
consistent
with
the
city's
comprehensive
plan
and
meets
the
development
needs
of
the
community.
In
that
it,
the
request.
J
A
We
have
a,
we
have
a
motion
in
a
second
questions,
comments,
anyone
all
right,
all
those
in
favor.
Please
say
I.
B
A
Opposed
all
right,
congratulations.
We
have
passed
the
project
all
right,
folks,
we're
going
to
take
a
break
yeah
and
we're
going
to
come
back
at
seven
o'clock.
It
is
6
40..
We
will
come
back
at
7,
00.
A
Okay,
we
are
resuming
the
city
council
meeting,
we
have
one
item
of
unfinished
business
and
this
is
actually
the
second
reading,
meaning
the
second
vote
on
an
item
we
already
voted
on
at
the
last
meeting
and
for
really
complicated
and
slightly
boring
reasons
you
have
to
vote
on
it
twice
at
two
different
meetings
and
this
would
be
an
ordinance
granting
a
franchise
agreement
to
blue
ridge
rickshaw
to
operate
a
pedal
bicycle
taxi
service
within
the
city
of
asheville,
and
we
staff's
already
made
a
presentation
on
this
item.
A
So
I
don't
think
we
need
to
hear
that
again.
We
don't
actually
have
anyone
signed
up
to
speak
on
it
and
unless
the
applicant
wants
to
add
anything,
I
will
entertain
a
motion
on
this
item.
S
E
O
E
Not
going
to
remember
that
all
off
the
top
of
my
head,
so
can
I
how
about
this
I'll
read
the
motion
here?
If
you
want
to
amend
it,
then
I
will
accept
the
friendly
amendment.
E
A
Okay,
so
it
was
great
okay,
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
unless
there's
anything
further
we're
all
clear
in
this
all
those
in
favor.
Please
say
I
I
all
those
opposed.
Please
say
I.
I
now
show
your
hands
so
megan
count
you
all
those
in
favor.
Please
raise
your
hand
all
those
opposed.
Please
raise
your
hand.
J
A
A
That
that
is
our
last
item
of
unfinished
business.
A
Are
we
good
any
questions
about
that?
Okay,
I'm
just
turning
off
mike
okay!
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
So,
as
I
mentioned
before,
we
are
not
making
the
appointments
to
the
reparation
commission
tonight
we
are
going
to
move
those
to
the
next
council
meeting
and
we
have
a
number
of
people
that
have
signed
up
for
informal
discussion
and
public
comment,
but
before
we
get
to
that,
I
would
like
to
bring
up
a
couple
of
things
that
I'm
hoping
we
can
get
a
little
direction
around.
A
If
we
want
to
see
things
come
forward
to
council
and
one
of
the
concerns
that
I
have
and
that
we
discussed
that
I've
talked
to
some
of
you
all
about,
and
some
of
you
have
discussed
with
each
other.
As
I
I
may
be
aware,
concern
the
following:
one
is
the
general
state
of
cleanliness
in
the
city,
not
just
in
the
downtown,
but
in
the
surrounding
area.
We
have
now
been
through
covid
for
two
years.
A
We
have
a
whole
lot
of
different
issues
going
on
around
cleanliness,
and
I
know
a
lot
of
it
is.
You
know
a
lack
of
staffing
and
everybody's
down
on
staffing
and
we
don't
have
positions
filled.
I
know
we
have
a
lack
of
contractors
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
I
know
d.o.t
for
a
long
time
was
not
keeping
up
with
their
normal
routine,
but
we
do
have
at
a
later
date,
we'll
be
making
our
arpa
funding
decisions
and
we
do
have
a
city
application.
A
Actually
in
that
would
address
increasing
city-wide
cleanliness,
so
I
I
bring
that
up.
I'm
hopeful
that
we
can
incorporate
something
in
in
that
application,
which
was
removed
because
it
didn't
rise
to
the
top
three
of
the
list.
So
I'm
hoping
this
council
can
consider
that
and
then,
if
staff
takes
a
look
at
that
application
and
feels
that
it
will
really
address
citywide
cleanliness
and
again
I
don't.
I
am
not
a
strong
mayor.
I
can't
just
make
these
decisions.
These
would
have
to
be
council,
supported
funding
decisions
and
direction
decisions,
safety
community-wide
safety.
A
We
we
have
been
hearing
from
our
police
department.
I've
personally
met
with
the
chief
and
command
staff,
so
as
the
vice
mayor
and
possibly
other
members
of
council,
and
they
are
working
hard
to
increase
their
staffing
they're
still
down.
I
believe
it's
44
percent.
Am
I
right,
I'm
looking
in
the
back?
Yes
and
we
have
increased
police
salaries
and
police
hiring
salaries,
levels
of
hiring,
but
I
personally
would
like
to
know
if
there
are
other
things
that
we
as
a
council
can
do
to
support
the
police
in
trying
to
restaff
the
police
department.
A
A
I
would
like
to
be
made
aware
of
them
and
I'm
thinking
along
the
lines
of
you
know,
is
every
other
jurisdiction
paying
a
signing
bonus
and
we're
not
or
is
every
other
jurisdiction
paying
their
captains
at
some
level
and
we're
not
you
know
so
I
I
would
be
interested
in
that,
and
I
do.
I
do
recognize
that
we,
while
we
strive
to
what
we
call
reimagine
public
safety,
by
doing
a
lot
of
work
with
our
city
and
with
our
partners
around
different
ways
to
provide
community
safety.
A
You
know
if
there's
a
burglary
or
whatever
the
whatever
happens,
and
you
need
to
call
911
that
we're
not
we're
not
able
to
respond
to
all
those
calls
in
a
way
we
used
to
be
able
to
so
we
need.
We
need
to
be
able
to
continue
to
provide
community
safety
in
a
way
that,
at
the
levels
we
were
once
able
to
provide,
you
know
I
I
think
we
are
finding
that
as
we
struggle
through
covid,
it
is
highlighted
for
us.
The
crisis
around
homelessness
is
incredibly
exacerbated.
Several
things
happened
all
at
once.
A
It
was
a
perfect
storm.
We
had
shelters
that
weren't
taking
people
in
because
of
covid.
We
had
the
county
lost
funding
for
be
huck,
their
behavioral
health
emergency
services
unit
on
biltmore
avenue.
We
saw
a
number
of
things
happen
that
really
pushed
to
the
fore.
Our
awareness
around
the
crisis
that
is
homelessness
in
our
community
and
you'll,
hear
this
council.
We've
talked
a
lot
about
long-term
solutions,
but
I
think
you
know
we're
we're
we're
getting.
You
know
we're
learning
a
lot
more
about
this
than
we
ever
did.
A
I
mean,
if
you
know,
cities
in
north
carolina,
don't
directly
have
services
to
address
homelessness,
they
don't
run
shelters,
we
don't
have
health
departments,
we
don't
provide
behavioral
health
or
substance
abuse
counseling.
We
don't.
Even
we
don't
directly
provide
you
know,
workforce
training,
we
don't.
We
don't
do
that.
We
have
to
coordinate
all
the
providers
that
provide
those
services
and
what
we
have
learned
through
this
crisis
is
that
that
is
not
very
well
coordinated.
A
It
is
not
established
in
a
coordinated
way,
so
I
personally
have
been
touring
every
facility
I
can
find
and
talking
to
every
provider.
I
could
talk
to
to
learn
more
about
what
needs
to
be
done,
and
I
know
you
know
john
boyle
and
I
like
to
spar
in
the
paper.
There
is
a
lot
of
eye
roll
around
consultants,
and
I
you
know
I
that's
warranted,
but
I
do
think
that
we
are
learning
that
it's
not
just
a
matter
of.
Do
you
have
a
homeless
shelter,
you
know.
A
Are
you
able
to
feed
someone
who's
homeless,
we're
learning
that
it's
a
lot
more
complicated
than
that
it's
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
help
someone
get
into
services.
How
to
help
someone
who's
experiencing
a
mental
health
crisis?
Do
you
need
temporary
shelter?
Do
you
need
long-term
housing?
Do
you
need
all
those
things?
Where
are
your
gaps,
so
we're
gonna?
A
You
know
we're
partnering
with
dogwood
endowment
and
the
county
to
do
a
long-term
study
around
these
challenges,
but
we
need
some
short-term
solutions
to
better
address
the
situation
we're
facing
right
now,
so
I
you
know.
I
personally
would
like
to
look
when
we're
at
our
retreat
next
month,
and
I
would
personally
like
to
look
at
thinking
about
those
short-term
solutions.
For
what
can
we
do
right
now,
while
we're
planning
for
the
long
term
to
help
to
help
our
community
and
to
help
those
experiencing
homelessness.
A
A
We
provide
them
with
a
lot
of
funding
to
provide
services
to
our
community,
but
the
day
center,
which
is
a
very
necessary
service
in
asheville,
is
creating
incredible
challenges
on
ann
street
that
are
kind
of
pouring
out
into
that
area
of
town,
and
so
we
have
met
with
the
folks
at
homeward
bound.
They
just
yesterday
released
a
90-day
plan
to
try
to
address
some
safety
issues
around
there.
I
met
with
jan
davis
yesterday
to
talk
about
that.
A
I
think
there's
some
serious
questions
about
whether
or
not
it
will
be
enough,
and
we
need
to
continue
that
conversation
again.
A
strong
partner
of
the
cities
providing
an
incredibly
needed
service
to
help
folks
get
housed
in
our
community,
and
so,
but
we
need
to
also
remember
we.
We've
got
to
keep
all
of
our
communities
safe
and
an
unfortunate
result
of
of
what's
happened
with
a
hope
which
has
been
in
existence
for
many
many
years.
A
Is
that
we're
now
seeing
the
neighboring
historically
african-american
church
being
pushed
out,
and
that
has
really
brought
this
issue
to
a
critical
head
kind
of
the
straw
that
broke
the
camel's
back.
If
you
will
so
we're
continuing
to
work
on
that
and
and
glad
to
see,
homeward
bound,
really
stepping
up
and
looking
for
some
solutions
at
this
point.
A
So
those
are
some
things
that
are
on
my
mind
that
are
not
necessarily
on
our
agenda
and-
and
I
don't
know
if
anyone
else
has
anything
to
add
to
that-
but
just
sort
of
a
precursor
for
where
you
know,
we
might
have
a
more
robust
discussion
around
that
at
the
upcoming
retreat,
but
some
some
areas
that
are
coming
that
are
kind
of
snapping
into
focus.
As
we
exit
covet.
I
hope
and
see
the
introduction
of
spring,
and
you
know
looking
at
the
future
vibrancy
of
our
city.
B
So
I
think
these
are
all
great
things
to
be
talking
about,
and
I'm
assuming
that
you
know
this
will
be
a
topic
at
at
the
retreat,
or
these
will
be
topics
at
the
retreat
around
the
cleanliness
issue.
You
know,
as
I've
talked
to
some
other
council
members
and
and
you
deborah,
you
know,
I'm
not
sure,
just
a
an
influx
of
you
know
we're
just
going
to
pressure
wash
more
often
or
something
I
mean.
I
really
think
we
have
to
look
at
root
cause
like
why.
B
Why
has
this
issue?
You
know
when
you
look
at
the
city
four
years
ago
or
you
cut
came
downtown
four
years
ago
and
you
look
at
the
city
now.
Why
is
it
so
much?
You
know.
Why
are
we
having
the
issues
and
you
know,
and
again
it's
not
just
downtown
it's
all
over
the
place.
B
I
mean
there's
just
litter
all
over,
and
so,
if
it's
I'd
like
to
see
if
we
can
and-
and
I
don't
know
that
anybody
really
knows-
but
you
know
see
if
we
can
come
up
with
not
just
throwing
resources
at
it,
that
will
have
to
be
forever
and
ever
and
ever
versus
root
cause
like
what
what's
going
on
and
can
we
do
something
to
to
address
some
of
those
issues?
B
You
know
as
a
as
opposed
to
I
mean
esther,
threw
out
arpa
funding,
which
is
great,
but
you
know
three
years
down
the
road.
There's
not
going
to
be
any
arpa
funding,
so
you
know,
are
we
just
going
to
commit
to
that
forever
and
ever
so?
That's
the
only
extra
comment.
I
would
have.
L
And
the
comment
I'd
like
to
make
is:
this
is
first
of
all
I
I
do
sort
of
would
like
to
advise
counsel
that
we
need
to
do
a
complete
cleanup
of
the
city.
It's
almost
like
you
have
to
clean
the
canvas
before
you
can
actually
start
making
suggestions
as
to
what
direction
we
will
go
to
to
ensure
this.
The
city
stays
up
to
par
or
clean,
and
that
was
the
reason.
L
I
was
very
much
very
much
on
board
to
use
opera
funds
to
do
this
basically
and
with
that
type
of
campaign
that
we're
letting
the
city
know
that
we
are
invested
in
keeping
our
city
clean
and
get
out
and
start
with
a
clean
slate,
and
then
we
can
ask
the
community
to
come
up
with
ideas
of
how
we
can
work
together
to
ensure
that
we
keep
our
city
clean.
L
F
And
mayor,
I
want
to
thank
you
for
bringing
up
the
historically
black
church
that
sits
on
ann
street
beside
a
hope.
I
too
am
grateful
to
homer
bound
for
the
service
they've
done
and
I'm
glad
that
they
now
have
decided
to
institute
security.
I
appreciate
the
90-day
plan.
I
would
ask
that
we
see
data
in
30
days
to
see
what,
if
any,
if,
if
it's
helped,
if
it's
hurt
and
also
and.
F
Calls
for
service
also
in
our
meeting
with
mr
davis
yesterday.
I
won't
go
into
great
detail,
but
he
did
mention
that
another
organization
that
works
with
the
unhoused
I'll
go.
I
see
amy
here
now.
I
believe,
that's
amy.
I
can
tell
okay.
I
love
that
her
organization.
F
They
actually
have
community
cleanup
opportunities,
and
I
think
that
would
also
be
another
great
thing
for
any
organization,
because
the
cleanliness
issue-
let's
be
clear,
it's
not
totally
the
unhoused
I
for
one,
have
been
downtown
and
seeing
a
couple
of
young,
ladies
or
at
least
one
lady
on
her
on
her
wedding
weekend,.
T
F
It
downtown
and
making
a
mess,
but
you
know
I
too
agree
with
the
cleanness
and
thank
you
for
lifting
sycamore
temple
in
your
comments.
J
I'll
share.
I
just
want
to
echo
that
I
appreciate
you
mayor
for
bringing
this
up.
I
know
I've
been
talking
with
particularly
to
downtown
and
west
asheville,
some
of
our
larger
business
corridors
for
months
about
ongoing
issues
and
concerns
around
safety
around
cleanliness,
around
mental
health,
around
addiction,
around
crime.
I
mean
I'm
hearing
it
from
all
sides
and
I
think
it's
risen
to
the
point
where
we
can't
not
have
the
conversation.
We
can't
not
lean
in
on
what
is
happening
and
figure
out
how
we're
going
to
do
better.
J
I
don't
know
what
that
looks
like,
but
I
think
some
of
the
things
we
need
are,
for
example,
like
councilwoman
mosley,
said
data
on
how
changes
on
a-hope
go.
I
think
it's
probably
time
I
don't
know
where,
in
the
schedule
of
updates,
we
are
expecting
to
hear
an
update
from
apd,
but
it
would
be
nice
to
hear
from
the
chief
and
you
know
if
there
is.
J
I
don't
think
any
one
of
us
would
support
some
of
the
awful
things
that
have
happened
across
the
nation
or
in
the
history
on
biltmore
avenue,
but
it
doesn't
mean
that
our
police
department
is
a
bad
thing
or
a
bad
entity,
and
they
do
believe
they
do
deserve
our
respect
and
appreciation.
In
many
regards,
I
think
the
cleanliness
issue
is
interesting.
You
know
I've
been
involved
in
downtown
a
long
time.
The
boards,
the
volunteer
agencies
we
used
to
do
regular,
cleanups
cigarette
butt
cleanups.
J
Some
of
this
stuff
has
fallen
by
the
wayside
because
of
the
pandemic
and
the
fear
around
cleaning
up
debris
simply
because
of
contamination.
So
I
get
that
you
know.
We
have
average
do-gooders
that
clean
up
trash
as
they
walk
around
downtown.
Even
those
folks
have
stopped.
So
you
know
I
agree
with
sandra
and
that
we
do
need
like
a
infusion
of
cleanup
to
kind
of
clean
the
slate
and
then
a
better
maintenance
program.
J
Perhaps,
but,
as
I
expect,
I
understand,
the
public
works
department
is
down
40
percent
transportation,
down
60
percent,
our
own
police
department
44.
So
we
have
a
major
staffing
crisis
much
like
other
cities.
I
just
think
we
need
to
be
more
proactive
at
this
point
and
to
the
way
that
the
mayor
has
brought
this
up.
I
think
coming
out
of
the
pandemic
moving
into
spring,
realizing
that
we
need
to
kind
of
get
our
act
together
is
probably
an
appropriate
way
to
do
this.
J
E
S
E
While
we're
having
this
conversation
about
what
was
going
to
lead
forward
to
the
retreat,
I
just
want
to
remind
that
there
are
sharps
containers
that
are
small
enough.
They
can
fit
on
our
city,
trash
and
recycling
facilities
when
we're
doing
community
neighborhood
cleanups,
for
example,
I've
participated
in
my
neighborhood.
If
you
don't
have
somewhere
to
put
the
waste,
then
it
will
not
have
a
place
to
be
so.
It
would
be
great
if
we
had
an
infrastructure
that
is
doable
and
that
we
intend
to
maintain.
E
So
I
would
like
to
consider
more
sharps
containers
and
a
plan
to
maintain
them.
Additionally,
if
we
had
a
place
for
legal
camping
to
get
from
where
we
are
to,
where
we're
going,
that
would
be
temporary
with
staff
and
infrastructure
to
support
it,
then
we
could
diversify
our
public
safety
response
for
the
benefit
of
all
of
our
staff
residents
and
visitors,
and
the
last
thing
well,
missoula
montana
is
doing
that.
E
So
I
just
searched
city
of
asheville
job
opening
the
highest
search
engine
optimization
pulls
up
the
city's
hr
website
and
I
noticed
that
it
still
had
language
around
a
hiring
freeze
that
we
had
up
since
january
of
2020
as
of
a
couple
weeks
ago.
So
I
let
our
staff
know
and
it
has
been
updated.
So
evidently
we
are
now
hiring
all
positions.
E
So
that
may
be
what
one
of
the
contributors
to
us
looking
like
we're
not
available
and
hiring-
and
I
think
that's
a
positive
thing,
because
now
people
look,
then
they
would
have
a
reason
to
submit
an
application.
A
We
do
we
do
have
some
antiquated
things
on
our
website
that
are
not
current,
especially
around
some
of
our
budgeting
items.
I
didn't
realize
we
had
that
one,
that's
pretty
critical,
so
that
yeah
someone
needs
to
do
a
scrub
for
our
website.
J
Ms
ernie,
are
you
done
yep?
Okay,
sorry,
your
light's
still
on.
I
just
wanted
to
add
one
more
thing
for
the
public
and
those
listening
at
home.
If
you
have
not
yet
downloaded
the
asheville
app,
that's
what
it's
called
the
asheville
app.
Please
get
it.
There
is
a
list
of
things
that
you
can
report
and
share
and
inform
the
city
staff
of
one
of
which
is
litter.
J
Now,
please,
don't
you
know,
use
the
app
to
report
a
piece
of
gum
wrapper,
but
if
you
see
an
area
that
is
covered
in
litter
and
needs
addressed
in
a
bigger
way,
please
use
the
app.
We
don't
have
active
workers
scouring
the
city
looking
for
messes
necessarily,
and
if
you
can
help
us
identify
some
locations,
we
can
get
to
them
quicker.
So
please
download
the
app
and
use
litter
or
trash
pickup.
A
Okay,
I
see
the
problem.
If
you
hit
the
mute
button
enough,
it
doesn't
actually
go
on
so
do
you
manager
campbell?
Do
you
feel,
like
you,
have
enough
direction
from
a
majority
of
council
on
the
items
that
we
just
discussed?
Or
do
you
need
clarity
around
those
issues?
No
man!
I
think
I've
got
enough
direction.
Thank
you,
okay.
I
you
know
I
and
I
heard
councilwoman
rony's
call
around
a
managed
campsite.
A
I
am
not
supportive
of
that
concept
at
this
time.
For
the
city
we
we.
What
I
understand
from
our
partners
is
that
we
do
have
adequate
shelter
space,
and
I
know
that
there
are
cities
that
have
explored,
managed
campsites
denver's
another
one
san
francisco
is
another
one.
A
My
understanding
was
that
that
was
really
more
of
a
situation
where
there
wasn't
enough
shelter,
space,
the
and
I
have
actually
studied
those
models
in
those
cities,
because
I
I
mean
it's
an
interesting
concept.
A
The
key
difference
is
that
they
have
non-profit
providers
that
are
willing
to
contract
with
the
city
to
run
those
campsites,
because
you
cannot,
you
have
to
staff
them
or
they
become
unsafe
immediately
and
you
have
to
provide
services
for
them,
and
so
we
do
we.
As
far
as
I
know,
we
do
not
have
a
provider
in
our
community
that
wants
to
step
into
that
role.
A
E
I
wonder
if
we
have
the
capacity
to
meaningfully
address
trespassing
charges.
Instead,
I
think
we're
not
providing
an
answer
other
than
chasing
people
around
with
the
limited
resources
we
have
means
we're
not
answering
the
public
safety
calls
for
other
issues
around
the
city,
so
I
think
there
is
going
to
be
a
cost
analysis
of
the
pros
and
cons,
and
that's
why
I
would
ask
that
we
see
what
other
cities
are
doing,
what
outcomes
they're
getting.
J
J
I
mean
at
some
point
we
have
to
talk
about
what
our
community
can
achieve
and
I
think
that's
partly,
I
know
there's
some
frustration
around
us
hiring
a
consultant,
but
let's
face
it,
we
haven't
fixed
the
issues,
we
haven't
solved
homelessness
and
we
have
a
wonderful
array
of
amazing
partners
achieving
success
within
their
own
programs
that
don't
always
communicate
to
each
other,
that
don't
that
sometimes
overlap
in
services,
but
don't
help
the
same
people
there's
a
lot
to
learn.
J
I've
been
doing
a
deep
dive
meeting
with
everyone
I
can
and
we
do
need
a
coalescing
of
the
existing
organizations
and
how
we're
how
we're
helping
people
and
if
we
need
a
high
access
shelter
if
we
need
four,
if
we
need
small
ones,
big
ones
where
they
should
be.
There's
a
lot
to
learn
here
and
I
support
this
consulting
that
we're
taking
on
and
in
partnership
with
the
county
and
dogwood
health,
trust
and
learning
some
of
this,
so
that
we
can
be
better
prepared
and
help
people
more
appropriately.
J
A
All
right
anyone
else
in
this
impromptu
conversation
that
I
started:
okay,
okay,
we
we're
now
to
the
public
comment
portion
of
our
agenda
because
we're
back
to
being
live
and
in
person
we
are
allowing
folks
to
waive
their
time
to
a
single
speaker,
and
so
we
have
one
of
those
on
our
agendas
and
that
allows
that
speaker
to
speak
for
10
minutes.
Otherwise,
if
you're,
just
speaking
solely
as
an
individual
you'll,
have
up
to
three
minutes
and
are
you
keeping
the
timer
tonight?
A
T
T
Why
are
city
leaders
refusing
to
protect
the
citizens
of
asheville
city
leaders
have
failed
the
citizens
of
asheville?
If
you
can't
protect
the
citizens
of
asheville
each
of
you
all,
you
all
need
to
resign.
Our
city
is
a
big
trash
dump
trash
all
over
this
city.
Why
are
you
all
protecting
these
people?
Trashing
the
city,
terrorizing
people
throwing
trash
needles,
blankets
and
sleeping
bags
all
over
downtown
and
throughout
the
city?
T
We
need
a
solution
which
ceiling
leaders
refuse
to
come
up
with
I'm
a
native
and
take
pride
in
my
hometown.
Unlike
city
leaders
who
choose
to
destroy
asheville,
we
are
now
the
worst
city
in
the
entire
state
of
north
carolina.
Can
you
all
explain
why
this
city
turned
into
a
big
trash
dump
your
so-called
leadership
caused?
All
this
I
have
some
slides
and
I
have
no
idea
what
I'm
doing
here.
T
T
Pritchard
park
finally
got
cleaned
up
and
it
took
a
lot
of
people
to
have
concerns
to
clean
that
park
up
and
that
part's
gonna.
Well,
I'm
downtown
asheville
that
part's
gonna
stay
clean.
I
assure
you
I
mean
this
is
unacceptable.
This
is
left
all
day
long.
This
is
throughout
all
downtown
look.
This
is
the
weekend.
This
was
just
taken
this
weekend.
What's
going
to
happen
when
we
have
socom
in
town
over
the
weekends
in
billie
jean
king
tournament,
you
want
them
to
see
this
dump
all
over
the
place.
This
is
this
is
unacceptable.
T
Look
at
that!
You
think
this
is
acceptable
this.
This
is
not
even
my
bad
photos.
Some
of
them
were
too
bad
to
show
think
this
looks
nice
though
this
was
at
pritchett
park.
Two
weeks
ago,
police
officers
got
called
about
drug
activity
and
I
happened
to
walk
by
so
the
guy
shot
up
at
on
the
bench
and
just
threw
the
needle
underneath
the
bench
at
pritchard
park,
but
the
police
officer
did
pick
it
up.
T
T
T
So
I'd
just
like
to
know,
if
you
all
do
support
the
police,
why
did
you
defund
the
police
to
begin
with
that?
Don't
make
any
sense.
If
you
don't
support
them,
I
mean
we
need
more
police
patrolling
downtown.
What
are
you
going
to
do
when
billie
jean
king
comes
here
and
those
women
and
and
the
tennis
tournament
you
want
them
to
see
the
trash
found
up
outside
the
civic
center?
You
think
that's
going
to
look
good
for
asheville.
U
City,
councilwomen
and
city
staff
and
neighbors,
it's
good
to
see
you
all
and
first
I
want
to
thank
you
for
leading
in
a
very
difficult
time.
This
has
been
a
very
difficult
time
for
humanity
and
it's
very
hard
to
make
decisions
in
a
time
that
we
can't
even
imagine
what
we
were
all
going
to
be
living
through.
U
U
So
I
want
to
speak
really
clearly
about
that.
We
can
make
a
decision
that
can
help
a
whole
community
to
thrive,
and
we
need
to
do
that.
It's
the
right
thing
to
do.
We
have
to
stop
doing
harm
and
in
order
to
create
and
healing
and
reparations,
and
so
let's
do
that.
Let's
do
the
right
thing.
The
other
thing
I
want
to
talk
about
is
this
public
policy
around
24-hour
notice
around
eviction.
U
U
U
U
N
N
All
right
ready,
it's
been
only
one
year
since
the
asheville
citizen
times
reported
that
our
first
black
alderman
here
in
asheville
was
newton
shepherd.
He
was
elected
in
1882
and
served
one
year
through
1883
and
coincidentally,
that
is
the
year
that
23
year
old,
lock
craig
moved
to
asheville.
He
was
a
lawyer
and
became
a
heavy
hitter
in
the
democratic
political
party.
N
He
served
as
the
asheville
city
attorney
and
the
buncombe
county
council.
So
he
would
have
been
here
when
asheville
had
its
first
and
only
black
alderman
when
we
had
a
district
election
system,
and
that
is
what
he
looked
like
and
he
would
have
been
here
in
january
of
1888
when
the
asheville
city
school
system
was
founded,
and
we
had
isaac
dixon
as
a
on
the
board
of
that
first
black
person
to
serve
on
that
agency.
N
He
was
here
in
july
of
1888
when
john
humphries
was
lynched
and
he
served
as
council
for
the
mobsters
that
lynched
hezekiah
rankin
in
1891.
N
back
up
august
of
1897,
bob
bratchett
was
lynched
being
ripped
out
of
the
jail
or
ripped
off
a
train
from
in
swannanoa,
but
a
jail
break
there.
N
N
You
know
praising
zebulon
vance
and
just
two
days
later,
a
lot
craig
and
charles
aycock
were
down
in
laurenburg
north
carolina,
announcing
their
intentions
to
restore
north
carolina
with
white
supremacy
and
redeem
north
carolina
to
its
pre-confederate
values,
with
a
grand
democratic
rally
extolling
the
virtues
of
white
men
and
white
metal,
meaning
silver
asked
white
men
of
all
political
faiths
to
join
in
the
cause
to
redeem
north
carolina
and
that's
what
happened
apparently
in
the
election
of
1898.
N
This
is
the
front
page
of
the
asheville
citizen.
Time
says:
north
carolina
is
redeemed
democracy,
triumphant
white
men
will
rule
democracy,
triumphant
white
men
will
rule
asheville
and
buncombe
county
in
line
further
down
from
that
article,
democratic
party,
chairman
j.d
murphy
and
president
dm
luther
of
the
zeb
vance
democratic
club
were
the
recipients
of
many
congratulations
for
the
splendid
success
attending
their
management
of
the
campaign.
President
luther
said
to
the
citizen.
I
never
felt
so
good
about
anything.
N
A
A
Thank
you
maggie.
Do
we
have
to
do
you
have
to
go
back
over
there
to
oh
sarah,
sarah,
with
the
coming
in
all
right,
hot
good,
okay.
Next
I
have
signed
up
to
speak
is
doug
brown,
and
I
see
that
cliff
feingold
alex
cobb
and
pepper
paris
have
seeded
their
time.
If
you
three
could
just
raise
your
hands.
Thank
you
very
much
and
welcome
mr
brown.
You
have
10
minutes.
Thank
you.
V
A
You,
you
know,
sorry,
there's
a
camera
and
you're,
not
they're,
not
going
to
be
able
to
see
you
in
the
streams.
Thank
you.
Our.
V
City
council,
our
our
city's
budget,
has
increased
over
nine
percent.
The
word
on
the
street
is
that
our
taxes
are
about
to
go
up.
Also,
I'm
here
to
tell
you
that
it
doesn't
have
to
be
that
way.
We
have
to
make
good
decisions,
one
of
the
elephants,
one
of
the
biggest
things
and
we've
been
talking
about
it.
All
night
tonight
has
been
the
cost
of
homelessness.
V
V
V
When
I
look
at
what
is
available
and
what
we
can
do,
our
city
council,
as
many
other
cities
have
done,
has
accepted
the
housing
first
model.
V
V
What
that
means
is
that
and
and
then
and
then
at
some
point
or
the
obama
administration
approved,
like
I
think,
because
2009
that
fudd
hunt,
hud
funded
money,
would
be
allotted
to
cities
that
accepted
this
model.
A
lot
of
money
flowed
in
a
lot
of
cities
accepted
that,
but
like
any
federal
funds,
there's
always
a
condition
or
strings
attached.
V
V
V
Well,
I've
read
that
75
percent
and
90
of
the
homeless
people
have
a
disability,
because
a
disability
includes
drug
addiction.
It
includes
alcoholism,
it
includes
mental
health.
So
once
you
can
qualify
for
that,
then
you
can
get
your
disability
checked.
Once
you
get
your
disability
check,
you
can
qualify
for
housing
first
living,
but
let's
take
it
a
little
bit
further.
V
V
Let's
say
that
that
homeless
person
who's
living
in
that
facility
wants
cable
tv,
a
cell
phone,
a
new
pair
of
tennis
shoes,
were
they
going
to
get
the
money
to
do
that?
Ultimately,
they
would
like
to
get
a
job
perhaps
or
they
their
job
would
be
where
they
go.
But
under
this
program
you
cannot
get
a
job
or
you're
going
to
lose
your.
What's.
We
call
the
you're
going
to
lose
your
eligibility
for
being
disability
being
a
disabled
person.
V
When
you
lose
that,
then
of
course
you
lose
your
housing.
So
how
is
a
person
who
doesn't
have
enough
money
going
to
provide
him
for
himself
for
some
of
these
things,
and
perhaps
it's
drugs
or
alcohol,
because
after
all,
the
program
does
not
require
that
they
are
obligated
to
to
those
programs
for
recovery?
V
V
So
what
what
can
we
do
about
this?
We
have.
We
have
some
organizations
in
our
city
in
our
backyard.
It
sounds
like
you've
even
talked
to
them.
V
I've
also
talked
to
abccm.
They
have
two
of
the
largest
housing
homeless,
shelters
in
the
city,
perhaps
the
whole
state.
They
have
a
model
that
has
been
hugely
successful.
In
fact,
forty
percent
of
the
homeless
are
supposed
to
be
in
their
facilities.
That's
the
veterinary
veterans.
V
V
We
would
have
a
great
solution
here
and
they
are
completely
self-sustainable.
They
do
not
require
any
money
from
the
city
or
from
the
taxpayer,
and
yet
we're
paying
10.
We've
got
10.2
million
dollars
allocated
towards
this
homeless
situation.
It's
like
we're
in
the
hotel
acquisition
and
renovation
business
and
the
model
is
broken.
V
Then
they
are
they're
not
treated
for
the
trauma
unless
they
want
to
it's
on
your
own,
because
there's
so
many
people
concentrated
in
one
area.
We
found
that
the
drug
dealers
came
in
the
prostitution
we
found
it.
It
took
a
lot
of.
We
had
stolen
cars
recovered.
We
had
deaths
there.
V
Other
cities
we
can
look
at
with
this
housing
first
model
are
los
angeles,
san
francisco,
they're
a
disaster
and
they're
extremely
expensive.
V
V
Avccm
has
a
program
where
the
first
thing
they
do
is
they
stabilize
the
person,
take
care
of
their
traumas.
Next
they
take
care
of
their
addictions,
whatever
it
is.
Next,
they
get
them
training
because
they're
connected
with
abv
avc,
a
b
tech,
and
then
they
get
them
out
on
on
their
own,
and
generally,
this
takes
less
than
six
months.
V
When
we
talk
about
printable
permanent,
sustainable
living,
which
is
the
housing
first
model
boy,
if
they
could
keep
their
permanent
sustainable
housing
to
down
to
six
months,
that
would
be
a
boon.
But
why
aren't
we
talking
to
them
they're,
not
taking
any
covet
money?
They
don't
need
any
city
money.
They
don't
need
any
taxpayer
money.
V
They
would
save
us
a
lot
of
money
and
they're
very
successful
and
in
fact
people
from
around
the
nation
come
to
abc
abccm
and
to
the
rescue
mission
to
find
out
why
they're
so
successful,
and
yet
the
city
council
is
hiring
a
consulting
firm
to
come
in
how
many
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars
is
that
gonna
cost
quarter
of
a
million.
If
I
half
a
million
this.
A
V
You
so
the
consulting
fee
is
being
paid
by
somebody
else
right
by
dogwood
endowment,
but
regardless,
who
are
they
going
to
talk
to
they're
going
to
talk
to
the
people
that
are
successful
in
treating
the
homeless?
V
V
V
A
Okay,
we
struggle
a
little
bit
because
we're
not
supposed
to
you
know
we.
This
is
a
time
for
public
comment
and
we're
not
going
to
respond
to
each
and
every
speaker,
but
I
will
assure
you
that
we
are
working
with
all
those
providers.
There
is
open
communication,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that's
clear
just
so.
A
Anyone
listening
to
this
doesn't
think
otherwise
and
we
do
have
arpa
ass
actually
from
some
of
the
organizations
you
mentioned
so
I've
just
to
clarify
that
point
as
well,
but
we
we
I
have
another
person
signed
up
to
speak,
I'm
not
sure
she's
still
here
is
rachel
bliss
still
here,
oh
you
are
I'm
sorry.
Thank
you.
W
Good
evening,
I've
come
here
tonight
because
I'm
concerned
the
way
journalists
are
treated
in
our
community,
I'm
referring
to
the
aston
park
episode
where
two
journalists,
working
with
the
asheville
blade,
were
arrested
before
anyone
else
was
arrested
that
night,
it's
like
the
they
were
victims
of
the
the
you
know,
the
guy
that
came
on
christmas,
the
good
and
great.
W
W
This
is
no
way
to
treat
the
press
in
our
city.
I
know
that
we
have
different
different
viewpoints
from
all
our
newspapers.
You
have
maybe
the
tribune
paper
on
one
side,
you
have
the
mountain
express
on
the
other
side.
Both
of
these
are
journalists
and
they
have
different
viewpoints,
but
you
don't
treat
one
differently
than
you
treat
the
other,
so
I
I
suggest
that
these
charges
be
dropped
immediately.
W
This
is
very
unfair
to
our
press.
It
does
not
show
asheville
in
a
clean
lie.
We're
talking
about
cleaning
up
our
city,
let's
clean
up
the
way
we
treat
our
journalists,
you
don't
have
to
agree
with
the
viewpoints
of
that
particular
media,
but
you
do
need
to
give
them
respect
and
that's
all
I
have
to
say
thank
you.
X
Hey
good
evening,
everyone
a
couple
of
things
I
I
want
to
pair
a
little
bit
of
what
amy
cantrell
said,
and
I
support
the
use
of
the
arpa
funds
to
help
build
the
track
at
the
east
end
valley,
street
memorial
stadium.
X
X
X
I
feel
like
the
mentality
of
seeing
unhoused
folks
on
house
folks
at
this
time
as
like
an
issue
instead
of
the
circumstances
that
lead
to
houselessness
as
a
issue
as
the
problem
or
the
situation
of
houselessness
as
the
problem,
it
feels
like
a
lot
of
that
mentality
is
what
drives
like
the
city's
policies
and
the
new
apd
policy
feels
like
a
really
good
new
example
of
that
mentality.
X
X
Y
Good
evening,
council,
firstly,
just
thank
you
all
for
your
work.
I
know
that
there
is
a
lot
of
care
and
thought
and
deep
concern
for
our
city
that
goes
into
how
y'all
each
show
up,
and
so
thank
you
for
that
energy,
even
though
I
likely
don't
agree
with
some
of
y'all
on
various
different
things.
I
appreciate
your
energy
and
commitment.
Y
I
am
a
long
time
resident
of
asheville
I've
grown
up
here,
my
entire
life,
and
I
want
to
echo
some
of
the
other
comments
this
evening
and
just
a
general
concern
for
the
ways
that
I
feel
like
our
policy
and
the
movement
of
our
city
is
oriented
increasingly
towards
tourism,
oriented
increasingly
towards
whatever
facade
that
we're
putting
up
for
the
outside
folks
who
are
coming
here
and
neglecting
the
residents
or
de-prioritizing
the
folks
who
live
here,
and
I
would
just
like
to
urge
y'all
one
way
that
we
can
move
against.
Y
That
is
to
support
our
funds
to
support
the
track
being
built
at
easton
community
in
memorial
stadium,
a
six
lane
track.
That
is
something
that
has
been
in
the
works
for
a
really
long
time,
and
so
I
would
like
to
voice
my
support
for
that
investment
and
demonstration
of
actual
commitment
towards
reparations
demonstration
towards
actual
commitment
and
care
for
people
who
live
here.
Y
Another
way
that
I
think
we
can
show
care
for.
The
people
who
live
here
is
to
move
towards
more
compassionate
responses
to
our
neighbors
who
are
experiencing
houselessness.
I
know
there's
been
a
lot
of
conversation
about
that
tonight.
We're
still
seeing
recommendations
from
the
cdc
that,
when
folks
are
camping
somewhere,
we
let
them
camp
there
that
pushing
them
from
place
to
place
to
place
is
just
going
to
aggravate
our
pandemic
harm
people,
and
so
it
was
kind
of
heartbreaking
to
see
that
we're
devoting
more
police
resources
to
moving
folks
constantly
with
a
24-hour
notice.
Y
From
what
I
understand
was
a
seven
day
notice
of
movement,
I'm
not
entirely
sure
like
how
one
would
have
like
how
do
you
respond
if
you're
told
that
you
need
to
move
you're
told
you
need
to
take
everything
that
you
own
and
shift
it
again
and
again
and
again,
when
there
aren't
resources
that
our
officers
can
tell
folks
to
go
to,
like
my
understanding
is
that
there
is
insufficient
shelter
for
folks
to
go
to,
and
so,
if
we're,
just
pushing
people
again
and
again
and
again
that
leads
to
even
less
stability
leads
to
even
less
ability
to
build
relationships
and
stability.
Q
Good
evening
council,
I
came
here
tonight
to
talk
about
this
infamous
slide
from
the
january
11th
city
council
meeting,
which
went
on
to
be
publicized
in
our
local
news
organizations,
including
asheville
citizen
times,
wlos
and
mountain
express,
because
they
trusted
the
information
given
by
captain
mike
lam's
portion
of
the
city
manager's
report.
Q
When
I
first
saw
this
slide,
I
remembered
a
lesson
I
learned
at
asheville
high
in
mr
burke's
statistics
class.
My
senior
year
correlation
does
not
equal
causation,
but
I
needed
someone
with
actual
expertise,
so
I
enlisted
the
help
of
data
science
consultant
nicholas
pearson
to
dive
into
the
claims
that
officer
lam
made.
With
this
slide,
you
can
follow
along
by
going
to
linktree
backslash
asheville
data.
That's
l,
I
n
k,
t
r
dot
e
e
backslash
asheville
data.
Q
He
first
found
definitively
that
the
supposed
crime
hot
spots
nearby
unhoused
encampments,
could
just
as
easily
be
replicated
by
any
number
of
asheville
businesses
as
locations
for
a
crime
radius
by
the
same
methodology
the
police
used
here
it
could
be
said
that
businesses
like
chick-fil-a
tupelo,
honey
and
high-five
coffee
were
the
cause
of
crime
two.
In
other
words,
these
numbers
are
just
plain
wrong.
Q
Additionally,
these
numbers
represented
anywhere
from
duplicate
to
hex,
tuple,
counts
of
arrest
due
to
overlapping
radiuses,
resulting
in
an
estimated
25
percent
over
count
in
the
500
foot
radius
and
a
whopping
107
percent
over
count
of
the
1000
foot
data.
What
resulted
is
a
completely
inaccurate,
fear-mongering
slide
that
was
widely
distributed
throughout
our
community.
As
fact,
can
you
imagine
the
headline?
Asheville
businesses
account
for
27
of
local
arrests
that
would
be
libelous
and
yet
asheville
police
captain
mike
lamb
was
permitted
to
present
blatant
misinformation
in
front
of
council,
our
community
and
our
local
press.
Q
The
police
have
started
with
the
narrative
they
were
trying
to
support
and
quite
literally
put
data
around
it.
This
presentation
came
after,
as
we
recall,
multiple
people
being
arrested
on
christmas
day,
including
two
journalists.
The
police
made
a
policy
change
that
they
then
began
enforcing
before
it
even
existed
to
change
the
seven
day
camp
removal
policy
to
anywhere
between
immediately
to
24
hours.
Q
Q
A
A
Carrie
I
mean
nina
you're
up
sorry,
I
I
will.
I
better
understand
the
form
next
time.
C
However,
a
significant
portion
of
people
who
care
about
what
happens
at
city
council
simply
can't
attend
for
one
reason
or
another.
During
the
time
when
we
were
holding
meetings
virtually
it
was
because
of
covid.
Well,
you
know,
for
many
of
us.
Covid
may
still
be
a
consideration
for
folks
whose
schedules
don't
line
up
easily
with
transportation
to
get
here
in
person.
C
Councils
should
be
facilitating
people's
participation.
We
have
the
technology
for
this.
Yes,
it'll,
be
a
pain
to
make
it
work,
but
companies
all
over
the
country
in
the
world
are
hosting
hybrid
meetings
all
the
time
where
people
can
sign
in
and
participate
on
short
notice
where
the
agenda
is
available
and
the
technology
is
available
for
them
to
participate
remotely.
A
Thank
you,
okay.
We
don't
have
anyone
else
signed
up
to
speak,
so
we
are
concluded
unless
there's
any
other
announcements,
any
other
okay.
We
are
adjourned.