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A
Good
evening
and
welcome
to
the
asheville
city
council,
this
is
may
11th
and
my
name
is
esther
mannheimer
and
I'm
the
mayor
of
the
city
of
asheville.
Before
we
begin,
I
want
to
let
everyone
know
that
we
have
continued
public
hearing
item
a
which
is
a
consideration
of
an
amendment
to
articles
2
and
16
of
the
unified
development
ordinance
to
update
definitions
of
regulations
related
to
homestays.
A
So
again,
public
hearing
item
a
which
relates
to
homestays
will
not
be
heard
tonight
and
we
will
not
take
public
comment
on
it
tonight.
It
will
be
heard
on
the
may
25th
council
agenda.
So
again.
The
homestay
item
on
public
under
public
hearings
tonight
will
not
be
heard
tonight.
It
will
be
heard
on
may
25th.
A
All
the
callers
who
have
signed
up
for
this
item
will
have
the
opportunity
to
sign
up
to
speak
on
this
item.
At
the
may,
25th
council
meeting.
Okay,
all
council
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually
for
those
of
you
out
there
with
us
today
welcome
to
help
our
audience
follow
along
I'll
state.
Each
section
of
the
agenda
aloud
we're
streaming
live
on
our
virtual
engagement
hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city's
website.
A
855-925-2801
and
entering
the
code
8345
we're
also
broadcasting
live
on
the
city's
youtube
channel
for
public
comment.
We
ask
callers
to
sign
up
in
advance
to
join
the
live
speaker.
Queue
we'll
only
be
taking
live
comments
for
those
who
signed
up
prior
to
tonight's
meeting.
Those
callers
have
been:
writing
have
been
provided
instructions
on
how
to
participate.
Each
caller
is
allotted
three
minutes
to
speak
for
each
agenda
item.
We
will
hear
live
comments
for
up
to
one
hour
for
each
agenda
item
a
reminder
to
callers.
A
You
will
first
hear
staff
inform
counsel
that
you
are
next
to
speak.
Then
you
will
hear
an
automated
message,
letting
you
know
that
you
are
unmuted
and
live
in
the
meeting.
You
may
begin
speaking
after
the
automated
message
to
best
ensure
staff
can
support
you
in
case
of
technical
difficulties.
We
ask
that
you
join
the
queue
no
later
than
the
beginning
of
the
agenda
item
before
the
agenda
item
on
which
you
have
signed
up
to
speak.
A
Additionally,
if
you
have
joined
the
speaker
queue
and
need
to
disconnect
before
your
time
to
speak,
please
hit
star
4
before
hanging
up.
You
can
then
call
back
in
using
the
same
directions
I
just
shared
and
staff
will
enter
you
back
in
the
speaker
queue
of
your
agenda
item.
I
would
like
to
ask
all
those
participating
in
tonight's
public
comment
to
follow
council's
rules
of
decorum.
The
rules
include.
A
The
following
speakers
are
only
allowed
to
speak
one
time
during
the
public
comment
period
for
each
agenda
item
a
person
may
speak
only
if
they
have
signed
up
to
speak
in
accordance
with
the
city's
procedures.
Speakers
substitutions
at
the
meeting
are
not
allowed.
Each
speaker
is
allotted
three
minutes
to
speak
on
an
agenda
item
in
general.
Each
agenda
item
will
have
up
to
a
total
of
one
hour
for
public
comment.
A
speaker
may
not
share
or
relinquish
any
remaining
time.
They
have
not
used
to
another
speaker.
A
Speakers
should
not
expect
council
members
or
city
staff
to
comment
on
or
respond
to
the
speaker's
comments
during
their
three
minutes.
I'll
now
go
through
and
introduce
all
council
members
and
staff,
leadership,
council
and
staff.
As
I
call
your
name,
please
say
a
quick
hello.
Vice
mayor
smith,
hello,
councilwoman,
kilgore
good
evening,
councilwoman
mosley,
hello,
councilwoman,
roni
good
evening,
councilwoman
turner,
hello,
councilwoman,
whistler,
hello,
our
city
manager,
deborah
campbell,
hello
city
attorney,
brad
branham
good
evening.
Everyone
and
our
city
clerk,
maggie
burleson.
B
A
A
A
B
B
A
B
Sure
and
there's
more
of
a
comment:
I'm
the
liaison
to
the
sports
commission
and
the
sports
commission
met
a
couple
weeks
ago
and
discussed
this
and
put
forth
a
request,
and
then,
additionally,
we
heard
from
other
user
groups
other
sports
leagues.
So
I
think
you
know
with
all
that's
going
on.
This
might
have
just
been
a
simple.
We
thought
we
were
doing
something
great
and
permanently
striping,
but
there
are
some
outcomes
that
we
may
not
be
great.
B
So
the
one
example
is
the
soccer
club
has
grown
in
wild
support
in
recent
years
and
if
they
notch
up
to
the
next
league,
which
they
may
they're
required
to
use
a
field
that
is
striped
for
soccer
a
permanently
striped
football
field
would
not
be
able
to
be
used,
so
they
will
kind
of
be
without
a
home.
We
heard
from
six
or
seven
other
groups
that
had
a
similar
experience
and
my
understanding
is,
each
user
has
been.
We
had
a
no
permanent
striped
turf.
The
turf
is
worn
out.
It's
great
that
we're
replacing
it.
B
The
question
is
whether
or
not
it
should
be
permanently
striped
for
one
sport
that
disrupts
all
the
other
sports
and
apparently
there
had
been
some
kind
of,
maybe
if
it
was
difficulty
or
the
one
group
that
had
the
football
stripes
wasn't
always
able
to
stripe.
It
and
the
other
groups
have
risen
to
the
challenge
and
volunteered
to
help
with
that
striping.
So
it
may
be.
You
know
good
way
for
the
community
groups
to
work
together
and
solve
their
own
issue.
A
Let
me
ask
the
city
manager
if
we
have
any
staff
on
this.
That's
able
to
address
that
question.
My
understanding
is
that
the
item
tonight
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
striping
at
all
and
that
this
turf
has
already
been
ordered.
So
there's
no.
C
D
Thank
you
deborah.
This
is
kathy
ball
assistant
city
manager.
I
guess
I
want
to
respond
to
a
couple
of
things.
One
of
them
is
that
this
contract
does
not
include
the
purchase
of
the
astroturf.
D
The
order
has
been
put
in
with
the
striping
that
I
think
a
lot
of
folks
have
seen
the
markings
that
include
football
field,
as
well
as
fifa,
our
regular
regulation
field.
The
reason
that
we
do,
that
is
because
it
does
decrease
the
cost
and
on
the
having
to
place
those
lines
in
particularly
for
sporting
events
that
are
sponsored
by
parks
and
recreation.
D
So
football
is
a
league
that
the
city
has
and
works
with
in
different
ways
through
camps
or
through
little
league
football
throughout
the
whole
year.
D
I
think
the
concern
that
we
had
would
have
in
stopping
the
production
and
making
it
just
a
blank
turf
is
that
there
would
be
the
perception
that
during
soccer,
no
one
else
would
be
able
to
use
it
because
coming
in
during
the
soccer
season
and
putting
football
markings
on
that,
could
create
a
problem
of
thinking
that
it's
it's
only
for
the
the
it's
for
the
exclusion
of
everyone
and
only
allows
soccer
to
be
played
on
that
field
during
that
season.
D
Up
I
see
that
council
member
roni
has
her
hand
up.
E
Yes,
so
I'm
I'm
not
feeling
like,
I
can
support
the
whole
move
forward
without
a
pause
to
address
these
concerns
around
the
turf,
and
part
of
that
is
my
familiarity
with
the
multicultural
and
multilingual
space
that
is
happening
throughout
the
week
throughout
the
year
around
soccer,
but
also
the
intergenerational
leadership,
with
folks
like
principal
cush
and
coach
connor,
and
the
students
that
are
addressing
lacrosse
as
an
inclusive
sport
that
harkens
and
acknowledges
the
history
of
the
sport
and
its
indigenous
roots,
and
it's
changing
the
face
of
lacrosse
in
our
city.
E
C
C
C
We
said
that
we
would,
I
thought,
communicate
back
to
the
manufacturer
and
further
discuss
the
whatever.
The
next
step
should
be
in
terms
of
the
actual
turf
itself
and
how
it
would
be
striped
or
not
striped
or
figure
out
where
we
are,
how
much
would
it
cost
if
we
made
any
adjustments,
I
thought
that
that
was
the
path
for
it
kathy
richard
j,
rodrick.
D
So
I
think
we
have,
and
we
have
our
understanding
is
that
it
will
cost
about
twenty
five
thousand
dollars
because
of
the
change
in
the
timing
of
when
we
place
the
order
and
the
cost
of
materials
to
do
that.
So
if,
if
we
call
the
manufacturer
of
the
the
turf
and
the
striping
and
say
we
want
to
put
a
hold
on
it,
that
would
be
a
cost
of
approximately
25
000.
D
And
if
council
wants
to
do
that-
and
I
think
we
could
go
ahead
with
the
contract
today.
If
you
wanted
to
direct
staff,
if
if
there
was
enough
members
of
council
that
wanted
the
direct
staff
to
do
that,
we
still
think
there's
enough
work
in
the
drainage,
storm
drainage,
underneath
the
turf,
as
well
as
getting
the
the
bedding
and
everything
ready
for
the
turf
that
it
wouldn't
hold
up
the
contract.
D
So
if
council
wants
to
approve
the
contract,
but
then
ask
staff
to
go
back
and
look
at
the
striping
of
the
turf,
I
think
we
we
would
be
open
to
doing
that
for
a
certain
limit.
In
time
till
we
can
make
sure
we
get
the
turf
the
turf
in
time
for
the
contractor,
to
put
it
in
without.
B
This
cost
there's
probably
some
time
constraints
right
to
make
it
for
the
season,
so
I
can
appreciate
that
option
kathy
and
I
would
certainly
like
that
you
know
part
of
this
is
just
the
groups
I'm
hearing
from
didn't
feel
like
they
were
part
of
the
process
and
they
would
have
weighed
in
differently,
and
I
think,
there's
another
email
that
came
in
since
our
budget
session
from
the
soccer
group.
That
said,
they
certainly
would
have
appreciated
it
too.
They
chose.
B
D
So
mayor,
I'm
wondering
if
you
could
help
stuff
out
here
a
little
bit
by
asking
for
head
nods
around
the
turf
issue.
D
So
I
would,
I
would
ask
for
head
nods
around
us,
pausing
and
calling
the
contractors
putting
the
turf
together
to
do
more
engagement
around
the
striping,
but
then
as
a
separate
vote
on
the
item.
That's
on
the
agenda,
so
that
would
be
my
ask,
but
I
would
I
would
ask
for
head
nods
or
because
we
can't
see
everybody
on
the
screen.
Maybe
what.
A
Okay,
so
council,
then
what
we
would
be
looking
at
is
a
motion
to
approve
the
full
consent
agenda,
including
the
turf
item
and
then
a
second
indication
of
your
desire
to
see
staff
re-engage
around
the
striping
for
the
turf
and
somebody's
making.
Some
phone
call
to
the
turf
company
and
saying
hold
the
presses
or
whatever
the
equivalent
is
of.
F
A
No,
no
so
the
contract
that
the
the
item
on
our
consent
agenda
actually
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
striping
itself.
It
has
to
do
with
the
installation,
so
we'd
be
voting
to
move
forward
the
installation,
but
then
we
will
subsequently
indicate
our
desire
to
ask
staff
to
re-engage
the
community
about
what
the
striping
should
look
like
on
the
turf
that's
currently
being
manufactured,
but
hasn't
been
striped.
Yet.
F
A
No,
no,
I
I
think,
there's
I
think
what
the
opposition
is
from
some
of
these
groups
is
that
they
didn't
want
it
to
be
football
striped
they
want
and-
and
maybe
you
I'm
having
a
little
bit
of
wi-fi
funniness.
So
some
of
your
screens
are
freezing
up
on
me,
but
I
think
that's
what
the
issue
is
that
that
they
don't
like
the
current
striping
proposal,
because
it's
too
football
oriented
and
not
flexible
enough
for
other
sports,
like
lacrosse
or
ultimate
frisbee
or
whatever.
E
This
is
kim.
There
seems
like
a
variety
of
issues
here.
One
is
the
community
engagement
part,
making
sure
that
the
folks
who
use
the
field
were
heard
and
had
input.
So
we
didn't
end
up
with
the
outcome
where
we
have
at
this
additional
cost.
The
second
part
is-
and
I
meant
to
mention
this
earlier-
though
it
may
be
a
25
000
cost.
E
At
this
point,
we
will
have
long
term
costs
by
weaving
in
the
stripes
that
would
come
up
in
the
future
versus
the
third
option
is
right
now,
there's
a
participatory
offering
for
the
clubs
to
stripe
temporarily
the
field
for
each
other.
A
Now
I
and
I
kim
I
hear
you
I
will
say
we-
we
have
done
a
lot
of
community
input
around
memorial
stadium
and
there.
This
is
a
really
difficult
piece
of
property
to
get
consensus
on,
and
we've
been
hearing
from
these
groups.
That
are
writing
us
now
for
a
long
time,
but
I
don't
I
I
don't.
I
don't
know
exactly
how
we
landed
right,
where
we
are
because
I
think
that
happened
internally.
A
So
all
I'm
saying
is,
I
I
think
the
community
engagement
piece,
of
course
is
necessary
and
important.
I
don't
know
that
it
will
get
us
to
like
a
beautiful
kumbaya.
Everyone
agrees
about
striping.
B
This
is
sage,
I
have
a
follow-up,
I
mean,
I
guess
we
didn't
really
to
your
point.
Esther.
A
lot
of
work
has
been
done
to
make
sure
lots
of
groups
can
continue
to
use
it.
There
was
a
talk
of
reducing
the
stadium
size,
which
would
have
made
it
unusable
for
some
groups
so
that
it's
true
there
has
been
a
lot
of
work
around
this
on
staff
side.
I
appreciate
that.
I
think
there
wasn't
a
problem
with
the
striping.
B
We
had
a
problem
with
worn
out
turf,
so
I
didn't
hear
that
you
know
this
group
couldn't
play
because
this
group
striped
and
stuff
that
wasn't
the
problem
we
were
trying
to
solve.
We
just
happened
to
be
replacing
the
turf
because
it
was
worn
out.
So
I
don't
unless
I'm
wrong
in
this.
I
don't
sense.
Sorry,
I
feel
the
background
noise.
I
don't
sense
that
there's
a
problem
in
the
groups
communicating
and
using
and
doing
the
different
sports
on
the
field
that
we
could
just
continue
to
doing.
A
B
E
D
I'm
going
to
ask
jade
if
he
can
tell
us
if
there
will
be
an
impact
on
how
soon
we
have
to
vote
on
this
bid
in
order
to
avoid
a
change
in
the
cost.
H
Good
good
evening,
mayor
council,
jay
dundas
capital
projects
director.
No,
there
there's
we've
already
went
past
the
time
where
the
material
has
increased.
It
was
an
eight
percent
materials
increase
in
april,
and
so
we've
already
experienced
that
we
ordered
pre-materials
increased
and
so
that
25
000
that
was
mentioned
will
apply
to
any
any
reorder
that
we
do
at
this
point.
A
H
Sorry
I
misunderstood
we
it's
hard
to
say
because
we
don't
know
when
we'll
have
a
decision
and
if
we
have
to
re-bid.
If
this
succeeds,
what
the
you
know,
they're
we're
seeing
materials
costs
on
everything
go
up,
we
can
we
could
we
could
initiate
the
contract
and
have
them
start.
H
I
don't
know
if
enough
about
turf
installation
to
note
that
if
you
put
the
base
down,
if
there's
concern
about
having
that
base
open-
and
I
would
assume
it
would
be
because
you're
accumulating
dust
and
debris
and
potentially
you're
reflecting
the
drainage
of
that
of
that
base-
and
so
you
need
to
have
that
turf
available
pretty
much
as
the
base
is
being
you
know
as
soon
as
the
base
is
built,
so
the
timing
of
getting
that
decision
made
is
is,
is
pretty
important
without
that
decision
I
don't
know
we
there
would
be
a
limit
on
how
far
we
could.
D
So
j,
can
I
ask
a
clarifying
question.
I
think
that
the
question
is:
if
they
wait
two
weeks
is:
are
the
bids
still
good
that
we
currently
have
for
the
installation?
That's
on
council
tonight.
C
And
I
think
again,
the
key
is
the
relationship
between
these
different
kind
of
decision
points
and
and
miss
ronnie.
I
understand
what
you're
you're
saying
in
terms
of
participation
and
collaboration
and
as
the
mayor
said,
we
have
had
a
lot
of
community
dialogue
around
this,
particularly
focusing
in
on
the
user
groups
but
jay.
The
question
is
the
item
on
the
agenda.
Tonight
is
about
installation.
We
have
to
have
a
contract
to
install
whatever
the
turf
is
we're.
H
Yes,
ma'am,
yes
and
and
there's
site
work
associated
with
it
as
well.
There's
the
this
base
is
not
doesn't
doesn't
drain.
Well,
so
we're
having
to
rebuild
the
base
and
relocate
stormwater
infrastructure.
That's
under
there.
So
there's
a
lot.
I
H
Work
but
yes,
it
is
about
turf
installation,
and
I
had
staff
text
me
and
confirmed
that
the
two
week
delay
is
is
something
that
we
can
accommodate
and
if
we,
if
that
was
council's
choice,.
J
Thank
you
for
that
last
clarification,
city
manager,
campbell,
because
if
the
public
is
as
confused
as
I
am
about
this
conversation,
I
don't
really
underst,
I'm
not
tracking,
but
I
think
I
have
it
now
and
I
think
that
we
can
just
move
forward
with
the
agenda
item
and
then
determine
what
the
turf
design
would
be
later.
Is
that
okay
with
everybody
just
because,
as
you
all
like,
come
different
angles,
it
is
confusing
me
even
more
so
thank
you.
A
Well,
so
if
that
sounds
good,
which
is
just
me,
we
we
could
entertain
a
motion
to
approve
the
consent
agenda
and
then
we'll
do
the
second
step
of
that,
which
is
not
our
heads
and
our
staff
to
engage
with
the
community
around
the
striping.
A
Shanika
we
have
a
motion
a
second.
Do
you
have
questions
about
anything
else
on
the
consent
agenda
before
we
open
it
up
for
comment,
I
think
we
have
one.
If
I
recall
we
have
one
person
signed
up
to
speak
under
this
item
right
maggie.
Nobody,
we
have
no
one
signed
up
to
speak,
okay,
never
mind,
okay,
any
other
questions.
A
Okay,
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
do
a
roll
call
vote
for
the
motion
to
adopt
the
consent
agenda:
councilwoman
turner,
aye,
councilwoman,
whistler,
aye
and
myself.
I
vice
mayor
smith,
aye
councilwoman,
kilgore,
hi,
councilwoman,
mosley,
hi
and
councilwoman
roni
hi.
A
Okay,
thank
you
all
right
now.
Next,
please
everyone
indicate
your
request
to
staff
to
engage
with
the
community
regarding
the
proposed
striping
for
the
replacement
turf
for
memorial
stadium.
Everyone
want
staff
to
go
ahead
and
do
that.
I.
F
Would
like
to
get
some
clarification,
it's
still
a
little
fuzzy.
You
know,
because
when
sage
first
started
out,
she
was
saying
something
about:
they
didn't
want
any.
You
know
just
a
clear
field,
so
everybody
could
stripe
it
for
themselves
and
then
I
felt
like
they
were
going
back
and
forth
with
this
team.
Wants
this,
this
team
wants
that
or
whatever,
so
it's
is
it
either.
We
just
want
to
blank
our
field
that
they
can
all
just
strike
when
they
get
ready.
Is
that
what
we're
doing
is
that
what
we
headed
for.
A
So,
okay
and
it
may
be
now-
I
will
tell
you
one
of
the
things
that
makes
parks
and
rec
completely
crazy
and
very
similar
to
the
show
itself
is
when
people
ask
to
be
able
to
stripe
our
facilities
themselves.
We
do
not
like
that
when
they
do
that.
Mostly
this
comes
up
in
the
context
of
pickleball,
which
would
like
to
restripe
all
of
our
tennis
courts
with
pickleball
stripes
if
they
could,
but
anyway,
that's
generally
not
a
great
practice
to
let
everyone
run
out
there
with
their
own
bucket
of
paint.
A
But
but
thank
you
for.
F
The
offer
but
good
but
good,
I'm
glad
you
explained
that
esther,
because
we
do
not.
You
know
a
lot
of
us
do
not
understand
what
it
really
takes
and
you
know
and
the
problem
issue
or
the
cause.
So
it's
good
that
you
said
that
parts
and
rec
would
prefer
not
to
because
of
a
lot
of
you
know,
reasons
that.
J
F
J
I
feel
that
parks
and
rec
will
come
back
with
a
few
scenarios
and
cause
associations
with
each.
C
K
L
K
E
D
B
K
And
unfortunately,
not
to
get
into
weeds,
which
apparently
we're
going
to
anyway,
but
you
know
what
you
have
to
do
is
require
that
people
use
only
certain
products.
K
I
know
this
because
a
group
I
was
associated
with
made
the
mistake
of
striping
a
bicycle
and
we
ended
up
paying
ten
thousand
dollars
to
because
it
stuck
on
the
church's
pavement.
So
that's
the
issue
is
like
you
know,
somebody
comes
and
they
use
permanent
paint.
You
can't
fix
it
on
astroturf
and
that's
why?
That's
probably
why
parks
and
rec
doesn't
want
people
coming
out
there
with
their
own
product.
F
D
Let's
learn
if
I
could
also
add
that,
for
some
of
our
user
groups
that
are
the
most
diverse
and
the
most
economically
impacted
who
need
to
use
the
field,
they
do
not
have
the
resources
to
be
able
to
do
this
as
either
so,
if
you're
talking
about
football
and
the
league,
the
football.
Those
are
the
most
diverse
groups
that
use
those
fields
on
a
regular
basis
that
we
program
for
and
we
have
camps
for,
and
so
they
don't
have
that
same
opportunity
of
having
volunteers
that
go
out
and
do
this.
B
To
be
clear,
that
is
what
the
volunteers
are
saying.
They
would
do
right.
The
group
that
the
different
user
groups
are
saying
will
help
with
the
football
striping
we
didn't
realize
so
we'll
stripe
our
own
and
we'll
strike.
Theirs
too,
is
what
they're
saying
I
mean
I'm
trying
to
advocate
for
these
sports
groups,
guys
I'm
the
sports
liaison.
B
This
is
the
most
I've
ever
learned
about
turf
two,
but
they
feel
pretty
strongly
that
they're
not
gonna
be
able
to
use
it,
as
is
in
all
the
groups,
and
they
didn't
see
a
problem
with
the
lack
of
striping
in
the
beginning.
So
I
guess
I
don't
want
to
hold
up
this
whole
agenda,
so
I'm
a
nod
in
support.
A
Okay,
all
right
did
we
did
it.
We
did
it
all
right,
uh-oh,
maggie's,
already
redoing
her
end
time
here.
Okay,
moving
on,
we
had
one
public
hearing
item
tonight
but,
as
I
mentioned
at
the
top
of
the
meeting,
we
are
not
going
to
hear
the
item
regarding
homestays
tonight.
We
are
going
to
hear
it
on
may
25th,
so
I
do
need
a
motion
to
continue
the
public
hearing
to
consider
an
amendment
to
articles
2
and
16
of
the
udo
to
update
definitions
of
regulations
related
to
homestays
until
may
25th.
2021.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
I'm
gonna
do
a
roll
call
vote.
Councilwoman
whistler,
I
myself.
I
vice
mayor
smith,
hi
councilwoman,
kilgore,
aye,
councilwoman,
mosley,
aye,
councilwoman,
roney,
aye,
councilwoman,
turner,
aye,
okay,
thank
you.
We
have
one
item
of
unfinished
business.
This
is
a
vote
on
a
resolution
authorizing
submission
of
the
city's
annual
action
plan
for
the
2021
20
2022
to
the
u.s
department
of
housing
and
urban
development
and
authorizing
the
city
manager
to
sign
all
contracts
or
agreements
required
for
the
implementation
of
the
2021-2022
annual
action
plan.
A
A
If
not,
can
I
get
a
motion
and
a
second
to
adopt
a
resolution
authorizing
submission
of
the
city,
city's
annual
action
plan
for
2021
2022
to
the
u.s
department
of
housing
and
urban
development
and
authorizing
the
city
manager
to
sign
all
contracts
or
agreements
required
for
the
implementation
of
the
2021
2022
annual
action
plan?
I'll.
A
A
First,
we
have
under
new
business
item
a
three
items
regarding
fiscal
year:
2021
2022
fees
and
charges
and
our
new
finance
director.
Tony
mcdowell
is
here
to
present
this
item.
M
Good
evening,
mayor
and
council
members,
tony
mcdowell
finance
director
taylor
floyd.
Our
budget
manager
is
also
with
me
this
evening
and
we're
gonna
much
like
we
do
with
the
budget
work
session
presentations
that
we
share
with
you
all
we're
gonna
tag
team,
this
one
as
well,
so
I
think
we
have
some
slides
if
we
could
pull
those
out.
That
would
be
great.
M
All
right
so,
as
mayor
mentioned,
the
item
before
you
all
tonight
is
the
proposed
fees
and
charges
for
fiscal
year
2122
and
before
I
get
into
the
presentation.
I'll
just
mention
that
these
proposals
were
presented
to
the
finance
committee.
M
A
few
weeks
ago
in
april,
the
finance
committee
endorsed
staff's
recommendations
with
some
slight
changes
to
the
to
the
original
parking
fee
proposals,
and
so
those
revised
parking
fee
proposals
are
part
of
what
we
have
before
you
tonight
and
taylor.
We'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
a
little
bit
more
about
that,
but
I'm
going
to
kick
off
and
I'm
going
to
spend
the
first
part
of
the
presentation
talking
about
the
water
rate,
realignment
we're
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
capital
improvement
fee.
M
Some
history
on
that
fee,
the
fee
that
that
went
away
in
july
of
2020
we're
going
to
talk
about
the
rate
realignment
plan
that
our
consultants
at
raphtalus
have
put
together
for
us
and
is
before
you
all
tonight
for
consideration
and
they're
also
going
to
share
some
additional
information
on
customer
classes,
great
history
and
comparison
to
other
cities,
and
some
of
that
was
information
that
you
all
had
requested
at
one
of
our
budget
work
sessions
earlier
and
then,
after
that,
I'll
turn
it
over
to
taylor
and
he'll
run
through
the
other
fee.
M
Changes
cover
the
ones
we're
recommending
for
adoption
and
also
go
over
the
ones
we're
recommending
for
review
midway
through
next
fiscal
year.
I
will
add
quickly
before
we
move
on.
There
was
an
item.
M
On
tonight's
agenda,
for
you
all
to
prove
related
to
non-profit
fee
waivers
that
that
was
not
reviewed
by
the
finance
committees.
I
just
wanted
to
to
make
you
all
aware
of
that,
but
we
can
go
to
the
next
slide,
so
our
rate
realignment
plan
so
just
quickly
some
information
about
our
water
fund
outside
of
our
general
fund.
It's
our
largest
operation
in
our
city
budget.
M
The
budget
range
is
somewhere
between
30
to
40
million
dollars
every
year,
because
it
is
a
standalone
enterprise
system
that
charges
a
rate
to
its
customer
and
because
it
is
a
large
system,
it
receives
a
separate
debt
rating
than
the
rest
of
our
operations.
So
separate
debt
rating
from
the
general
fund
that
current
debt
rating
is
is
aa1,
which
is
a
really
good
debt
rating
for
a
water
system
of
our
size.
M
And
one
of
the
reasons
that
we
have
a
high
debt
rating
is
that
we
do
rely
on
consultants
to
develop
a
rate
model
for
us
and
we
look
at
it
a
multi-year
perspective
when
we
develop
that
rate
model
and
make
sure
that
we
have
enough
money
not
only
available
to
cover
our
capital
and
operating
needs
in
the
water
fund,
but
also
meet
some
of
the
debt
coverage
ratios
that
our
rating
agencies
at
standard
and
poor's
and
moody's
like
to
see
for
an
enterprise
our
size.
M
So
just
some
additional
information
on
this
page.
Like
I
said
it's
a
substantial
operation,
we
have
about
11
million
dollars
that
we
spend
annually
out
of
the
water
fund
to
maintain
our
capital
infrastructure
and
we
fund
that
with
a
mixture
of
pay,
as
you
go
money
and
debt,
and
we
have
about
five
million
dollars
that
we
spend
annually
in
debt
right
now,
we're
actually
getting
ready
to
go
out
and
issue
some
additional
debt
for
the
norfolk
dam
project.
M
That's
nearing
completion,
that's
a
40
million
dollar
project
and
we're
anticipating
issue
issuing
the
debt
for
that
project
in
late
summer
or
early
fall.
We
also
have
another
large
project,
that's
coming
up
in
the
next
few
years,
and
that's
replacing
some
of
our
meters
and
that's
approximately
a
20
million
dollar
project
that
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
in
the
upcoming
cip.
M
M
And
so
when
the
city
took
over
full
control
of
the
system
in
the
early
2000s,
we
faced
some
fairly
significant
capital
needs
in
the
water
fund,
and
so
in
early
or
in
december
of
2007.
M
M
Next
slide,
please
so
that
water
or
that
cip
fee
was
in
place
from
2007
until
approximately
2020
and
what
happened
during
that
time
was
in
2018.
M
There
was
a
supreme
court
opinion
issued
related
to
a
case
that
was
brought
before
them
related
to
water
and
sewer
impact
fees,
and
that
case,
and
that
ruling
triggered
a
number
of
lawsuits
across
the
state
of
north
carolina
against
water
utilities
and
the
fees
that
they
were
charging
and
the
city
of
asheville
was
was
not
immune
to
that.
We
we
were
one
of
the
lawsuit
was
filed
against
us.
A
few.
M
Settlement
for
that
lawsuit,
we
agreed
to
discontinue
start
charging
the
capital
improvement
fee,
so
in
july,
1
2020
we
discontinued
that
fee
and
what
that
meant
was
a
lost
revenue
for
us
of
about
7.5
million
dollars
to
support
our
capital
infrastructure.
M
So,
given
given
the
timing
of
that
lawsuit
and
the
settlement
and
the
fact
that
it
was
coincided
with
the
start
of
the
pandemic,
we
decided
to
not
seek
a
rate
increase
last
year
to
begin
recouping
that
fee.
But
instead
we
began
working
with
our
financial
consultants
at
dec
that
you
all
heard
from
during
the
budget
work
sessions,
as
well
as
our
rate
consultants
at
raftalus,
to
develop
a
plan
to
begin
recovering
that
capital
revenue
over
time.
M
So
the
the
proposal
before
you
all
tonight,
like
I
said,
begins
to
recover
the
rate
or
the
revenue
over
time,
we're
not
trying
to
recover
the
full
7.5
million
in
the
first
year
this
first
year.
The
revenue
that
we'll
get
back
will
be
about
three
and
a
half
million
dollars.
M
It's
in
in
the
rate
structure,
which
was
attached
to
the
staff
report
that
we
sent
out
to
you
all
recovers
that
revenue
through
a
combination
of
adjustments
to
the
base
fee,
as
well
as
the
volume
metric
or
user
charge
and
and
the
base
fee
is.
The
structure
is
set
up
such
that
customers
with
larger
leaders
will
pay
a
higher
fee
and
then
the
volumetric
fees,
the
the
user.
N
M
Will
go
up
approximately
six
percent
for
all
customers,
except
for
our
wholesale
customers?
M
Next
slide,
so
just
a
little
information
before
we
finish
off
on
the
on
the
water
piece,
you
all
had
requested
some
information
about
our
water
customers
and
and
how
many
were
in
residential
versus
commercial.
You
can
see
that
our
our
registrar,
our
customer
classes,
are,
are
heavily
weighted
towards
residential,
and
so
when
we
look
at
beginning
to
recover
some
of
this
lost
res
this
lost
revenue.
N
M
M
Such
a
large
part
of
our
overall
customer
class,
so
it's
hard
to
recover
that
that
much
money
unless
the
bulk
of
that
comes
from
our
residential
customers
next
slide
and
then
just
a
little
history.
You
all
had
asked
some
questions
about
the
rate
adjustments
that
we
had
made
in
prior
years.
M
We
actually
began
in
fy12
so
about
nine
years
ago,
making
annual
increases
to
the
water
rates
and
increasing
rates
on
the
non-single
family
users
at
higher
percentage
than
we
were
on
single
family
users
to
begin
to,
try
and
more
equitably
equitably
reflect
the
cost
of
service,
and
so
you
can
see
for
that
most
recent
year
prior
to
the
pandemic.
M
When
we
made
adjustments,
we
made
higher
adjustments
to
irrigation,
multi-family
residential
large
commercial
users
and
tried
to
keep
the
single
family
manufacturing
and
small
commercial
rates
increases
lower
again
to
try
and
reflect
the
cost
of
service
and
make
that
more
equitable
next
slide.
M
M
Going
to
pause
here
and
let
david
melton,
our
water
resources
director
talk
us
through
this
slide.
O
As
a
part
of
this,
this
project
and
redoing
this
the
rate
structure,
is
we
wanted
to
see
how
we
compared
to
other
cities,
so
I
reached
out
to
the
unc
school
of
government
environmental
finance
center
to
get
this
information,
so
the
first
survey
we
did
was
looking
for
what
how
are
water
rates
compared
to
similar
median
household
incomes
with
us,
and
we
were
slightly
below
average
in
that
class.
M
Thanks
david,
we
can
go
on
to
the
next
slide,
so
getting
near
the
end
here,
just
to
kind
of
summarize.
So,
with
the
changes
that
are
proposed
for
next
year,
single-family
residential
users,
the
average
single-family
residential
user,
would
see
their
bill
increase
from
56.86
up
to
63-42.
M
M
Tonight
is
some
information
on
other
other
user
classes
such
as
commercial,
and
you
all
can
see
how
the
new
rate
structure
would
impact
those
classes
as
well
next
slide,
so
just
to
kind
of
wrap
up
on
the
water
rates
and
then
I'll
turn
it
over
to
taylor.
What
we're
proposing
tonight
it
meets
the
legal
requirements
of
the
lawsuit
settlement,
which
is,
of
course
important.
It
minimizes
the
burden
on
customers
by
spreading
the
revenue
recovery
over
time
and
and
we're
also
committed
to
going
back
and
continuing
to
work
with
rap
talis.
M
To
refine
the
the
recommendations
that
we
have
from
them
for
the
future
years
and
trying
to
make
sure
we
minimize
the
rate
increases
as
best
we
can
in
future
years,
but
still
make
those
rate
increases
as
necessary
to
meet
the
operating
and
capital
needs
of
the
system.
M
Our
debt
ratings
from
from
the
rating
agencies
so,
like
I
said
into
the
next
slide,
I
think
that's
at
the
end
of
my
part
and
I'll
turn
it
over
to
taylor,
to
talk
about
the
other
fees.
I
Thanks
tony
good
evening,
mayor
and
council,
so
we
have
quite
a
few
changes
that
I'll
run
through
quickly
but
again
feel
free
to
stop
me
if
you
have
any
questions.
I
So
this
is
a
summary
of
fees
that
were
new
fees
that
we're
recommending
for
adoption.
The
historic
district
subdivision
review.
That's
basically
just
aligning
that
fee
with
a
new
process
change
that
was
implemented
in
the
udo
requiring
review
by
the
historic
resources
commission.
Obviously,
that
takes
more
staff
time,
so
we're
just
kind
of
trying
to
align
the
fee
with
that
these
design
review
areas.
I
We
stopped
temporarily
due
to
some
lack
of
clarity
in
state
law,
but
that's
been
cleared
up
with
some
recent
changes,
so
the
staff
recommendation
is
to
reinstate
the
fees
as
they're
outlined
there
in
alignment
with
state
law
and
a
zoning
text,
amendment
that
was
recently
passed
by
council.
E
E
So
from
my
understanding
with
the
fee
and
lou
there's
two
parts
of
this
one.
We
don't
want
folks
to
opt
out
of
building
sidewalks
because
it's
cheaper
to
just
pay
a
fee,
and
the
other
thing
was
that
if
it's
just
going
to
be
like
the
sidewalk
that
goes
to
nowhere,
that
the
fee
should
be
enough,
that
we
could
build
a
sidewalk
to
fill
in
a
gap
somewhere
else.
I
That
is
a
question
that
I
believe
we
have
todd,
o'clochini
or
shannon
tuck,
perhaps
from
the
planning
department
that
they
could
maybe
answer.
E
And
then,
while
we
have
other
folks
on
the
call
if
we
could
apply
the
same
thinking
to
the
ada
curb
ramp,
because
we
have
a
lot
of
ada
issues
in
our
city
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
can
at
least
meet
the
need
that
we
have
and
not
just
have
folks
paying
a
fee
to
get
out
of
building
it.
E
P
She's
so
mute
though
here
I
am
sorry
about
that.
I
can
answer
your
question
in
general,
so
there
are
a
few
months
back.
P
Shannon
tuck
brought
forward
some
amendments
to
the
u-d-o
that
spoke
to
sidewalks
ian
liu
and
part
of
that
included,
adding
some
additional
criteria
to
make
it
much
less
or
I
should
say
much
more
difficult,
I
would
say
for
developers
to
opt
out
of
building
sidewalks,
so
this
was
sort
of
a
dual
thing
where
we
wanted
to
make
it
more
difficult
for
them
to
opt
out,
so
we
included
additional
criteria
that
they
would
have
to
meet
in
order
to
qualify
and
then,
if
they
do
qualify,
we
also
raised
the
fees.
P
So
these
are
not
the
same
fees
that
we
used
to
use.
We've
raised
them
to
be
commensurate
with
what
we
would
pay
now
in
general,
in
in
terms
of
a
sidewalk
square
footage.
That
was
another
thing
that
we
changed.
So
it
used
to
be
per
linear
foot.
But,
as
you
know
it
just
the
width
of
a
sidewalk.
E
Thank
you,
and
do
we
have
an
idea
on
if
that's
the
same
application
for
the
ada
curb
ramp?
I
said
there's
so
many
places
where
we
end
up
needing
retaining
walls,
for
example,
and
so
I
know
the
cost
of
building
is
always
going
up.
I
Thanks
for
jumping
in
there
jessica
any
other
questions
on
these
new.
B
Feeds
I
have
one
real
quick.
This
may
be
a
brad
question,
so
these
design
review
areas
could
catch,
didn't
think
about
the
fees
the
major
works.
Can
we
further
delineate
by
use?
Could
we
allow?
Could
we
charge
a
hotel
that
say,
has
125
bathrooms
a
higher
fee
than
a
apartment
complex
that
maybe
has
25
but
they're
same
square
footage
I
mean:
is
there
something
we
can
do
there?
I
just
wonder
the
way
that
hotels
go.
Q
Thank
you
for
the
question,
councilwoman
turner.
I
would
say
that
this
would
require
a
little
bit
of
additional
review
and
research
to
make
sure
that
we
were
fully
prepared
and
authorized
to
make
such
a
additional
level
of
delineation.
What
I
can
say
is
that,
generally
speaking,
we
are
allowed
to
charge
these
types
of
fees,
and
I
think
that
the
level
of
the
fee
has
to
be
based
on
the
logical
nexus
of
the
project's
impacts
on
the
surrounding
area
as
well
as
being
reasonably
proportional,
and
it's
that
proportionality
requirement.
Q
That
could,
I
think,
address
your
concern,
which
is,
if
we
have
a
certain
project
that
is
going
to
have
a
greater
degree
of
impact,
including
on
the
existing
infrastructure
or
the
like.
Q
Then
the
possibility
to
charge
a
larger
fee,
I
think,
is
possible
and
that's
something
we
would
need
to
review
from
multiple
levels
before
we
could
immediately
say
yes
to
that
question,
but,
generally
speaking,
I
would
probably
steer
away
from
simply
saying
that
we
would
do
it
based
upon
a
specific,
generalized
use
category
and
focus
more
on
the
actual
impact
of
particular
projects
which
could
be
described
further,
based
upon
the
size
and
complexity.
B
Okay,
that
makes
sense-
and
I
don't
want
to
hold
us
up
on
this
particular
review
and
set
of
fees.
I
know
we're
getting
down
to
the
deadline,
but
I
do
think
we
should
something
we
should
look
at
in
the
future,
one
building's
going
to
have
hundreds
of
bathrooms
and
one's
not
they're,
different
impacts,
sewer
line,
sizes
etc.
I
I
think
we
can
move
to
the
next
slide
then,
so
these
are
changes
to
fees.
The
first
set.
There
is
increasing
the
rates
for
advertisements
on
transit
buses.
Those
haven't
changed
since
2008,
and
the
new
rate
is
based
on
staff
research
on
sim
release.
Similarly
sized
systems
and
just
to
make
a
note,
we
do
offer
a
discount
for
nonprofits
and
city
sponsored
events
that
utilize
that
advertising
opportunity,
the
second
one,
the
nature
center
admission.
I
It's
a
two
dollar
increase
for
city
residents
and
and
the
actual
admission
fee
varies
based
on
age,
and
it
is
also
a
three
dollar
increase
for
non-city
residents.
Just
a
little
more
detail
on
that.
Based
on
a
previous
study,
current,
the
current
emission
fees
are
low
compared
to
similar
venues
nationwide,
and
this
will
also
offset
the
loss
of
operational
contribution
from
the
friends
of
the
nature
center
that
that
group
has
provided
over
the
last
few
years.
H
I
So
these
are,
we
call
them
other
the
fire
safety
inspections.
Those
are
actually
required
for
every
structure
in
the
city
other
than
single
family
homes,
and
it
is
truly
a
restructuring
of
those
fees
with
the
intent
being
that
to
make
it
easier
for
businesses,
property
owners
and
even
our
own
staff,
to
to
estimate
what
those
fees
are
going
to
be
apply.
Those
fees
equitably
and
fairly,
it
actually
ends
up
with
some.
I
Some
folks
will
have
increases
some
will
see
decreases,
but
it
does
better
align
those
fees
with
the
complexity
of
the
inspection,
it
will
also
offset
the
cost
of
a
third-party
billing
system
that
should
improve
our
collections
and
and
offer
some
more
flexibility
for
for
folks
to
pay
these
fees.
I
The
second
piece
outdoor
special
offense
b
discounts,
as
tony
mentioned.
This
did
not
go
to
finance
committee,
but
it
is
really
not
a
change
but
just
to
continue
providing
a
75
percent
discount
on
use
and
permanent
fees
for
outdoor
special
events
that
have
historically
been
provided
to
nonprofits.
I
That
is
a
ques
again,
I
think
we
might
have
nikki
reed
or
john
philman
from
community
economic
development
that
might
be
able
to
speak
to
that.
Specifically,
I
certainly
do
not
know
the
answer.
R
Good
evening,
this
is
john
fulman
community
event
manager
with
canadian
economic
development,
yes
councilman,
which
is
where
this
is
available
for
all
non-profit
organizations.
All
501,
seeing
non-profit
organizations,
including
churches
that
are
registered
in
the
state
of
north
carolina.
R
This
is,
this
is
not
the
strategic
event
partnership
program,
but
this
is
a
piece
that
has
been
included
as
part
of
the
program
for
well.
Since
mayor
bellamy
was
in
office
and
because
we
don't
currently
have
a
strategic
event
partnership
program
for
the
2020
through
2022
calendar
cycle,
we
are
wanting
to
continue
at
least
offering
the
75
discount
to
the
organizations
that
have
received.
B
That
hi
john,
this
is
sage
and
I'll.
Just
you
know,
I've
been
involved
in
the
downtown
event
scene
through
other
boards
that
I'm
on
for
a
long
time
and
john
has
done
a
really
great
job
in
recent
years
and
coming
to
us
and
saying
we're
being
there's
so
many
events,
there's
so
many
events
everybody's
trying
to
have
events.
How
do
we
prioritize
the
nonprofits
and
the
agencies
that
we
really
want
to
support
in
our
minority-owned
businesses
and
all
these
agencies
coming
together?
And
I
thought
this
was
a
really
helpful
thing.
B
I
So
several
changes
related
to
parking
services
and
one
thing
before
I
get
into
those
I
want
to
make
a
note.
We
did
notice
that
there
was
a
pretty
significant
error
in
the
staff
report
on
page
12,
which
overviews
the
changes,
there's
a
bullet
that
says,
remove
existing
discounted
monthly
rate
for
vanderbilt
and
battery
park,
and
it
should
say
review,
so
that's
a
pretty
notable
error
on
our
part.
So,
yes,
that
is
not
removing
that
discount!
It
is
reviewing
that
discount.
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
clear.
I
Before
I
got
into
the
details
on
this
one,
the
the
primary
change
in
the
parking
fund
is
taking
the
hourly
rates
in
in
the
garages
from
125
to
two
dollars
an
hour
and
at
the
recommendation
of
finance
committee,
the
first
hour
will
be
provided
free
to
all
hourly
parkers.
That
change
reduces
our
expected.
I
Revenue
increase
additional
revenue
from
that
from
the
the
two
dollar
an
hour
by
about
170
000,
and
one
more
note,
this
change
is
planned
to
take
effect
in
conjunction
with
the
replacement
of
gating
equipment
in
the
parking
garages.
That
is,
I
think,
well,
past,
end
of
life.
I
So
that's
one
piece:
we're
also
providing
some
additional
monthly
parking
options
to
try
to
provide
some
flexibility,
especially
for
folks
that
work
downtown.
That
includes
a
half
day,
a
12-hour
rate
and
an
overnight
and
weekend
monthly
parking
options.
We're
also
reducing
some
monthly
parking
fees
in
off
street
lots
again
to
try
to
help
provide
a
variety
of
options
for
for
folks
to
utilize.
J
Yes,
well,
I
have
a
question:
we're
also
eliminating
the
use
of
cash
for
our
garage
parking
fee.
Are
we
gonna
give
notice
to
the
community
or
provide
signage
for
folks
who
don't
carry
plastic.
I
Yeah,
I
think
we've
we've
been
working
with
with
cape
on
how
to
roll
this
out
and
make
sure
that
folks
are
aware.
That
is
certainly
a
significant
change,
and
I
know
it's
in
large
part,
driven
by
the
the
just
lack
of
vendors
that
provide
this
type
of
equipment
that
take
change.
I
don't
know
if
ken
putnam
or
or
garrett
male
want
to
add
on
to
that
at
all.
G
This
is
ken
putnam
director
of
the
transportation
department.
Yes,
that's
a
very
good
question
and
I
want
to
clarify
is
only
eliminating.
Coins.
Currency
is
still
will
still
be
accepted
by
the
machine,
so
it's
just
coins.
In
addition
to
that,
we
are
going
to
add
equipment
for
those
people
that
want
to
pay
for
their
parking
experience
before
they
get
to
their
car.
G
They
can
go
up
to
a
walk,
a
pay
machine
and
they'll
be
able
to
use
currency
and
coins
there,
as
well
as
the
credit
and
debit
cards.
Thank.
I
You
so
go
ahead.
B
I
was
just
going
to
speak
up
and
really
support
for
all
this,
and
I
appreciate
you
all
taking
the
input
from
ped,
I
chaired
the
parking
committee
for
a
long
time.
We
talked
about
this
downtown.
All
the
time.
Parking
has
been
a
huge
thing.
There
are
some
really
great
wins
here.
The
12
hour
parking
for
workforce
is
a
huge
win.
The
picking
up
the
first
hour
free
and
putting
that
back,
especially
coming
out
of
the
cove
pandemic,
is
a
is
a
big
win.
I
appreciate
everyone's
effort
on
this.
I
Thank
you
appreciate
that,
and
that's
definitely
been
the
the
work
of
the
the
staff
at
parking
services
coming
up
with
a
lot
of
different
scenarios,
trying
to
figure
out
what
would
work
best
for
their
customers
and
on
that
they're.
I
You
know
really
sort
of
a
lot
of
the
intent
around
this
too
is
is
trying
to
push
some
of
this
more
short-term
parking
to
the
on-street
and
and
longer-term
parking
to
the
garages
and
and
hopefully
through
some
additional
enforcement
in
in
the
on-street
time
time
limits
that
will
turn
over
some
of
those
spots
more
than
they
are
currently
so
when
you're
driving
through
downtown
you
just
want
to
pop
in
somewhere,
then
there
there's
more
likely
to
be
a
spot
available
closer
to
where
you're
going,
if
you're
just
going
again
for
for
a
short
period
of
time.
I
I
All
right
next
slide,
so
this
is
a
little
unique.
These
are
not
not
recommended
fee
changes,
so
we
had.
We
are
not
recommending
increases
to
either
the
solid
waste
or
storm
water
fees,
but
we
are
going
to
recommend
or
review
a
mid-year
review
during
the
next
fiscal
year
and
really
the
reasons
behind
that
are
primarily
that
we
wanted
to
limit
the
impact
of
free
fee
increases
that
are
kind
of
city-wide.
I
We
knew
that
we
were
going
to
have
to
do
the
water
one
to
start
that
that
recovery
of
that
cip
revenue.
So
we
wanted
to
be
mindful
of
that,
but
I
do
want
to
make
note
that
there
are.
There
are
significant
needs
in
in
both
sanitation
and
stormwater
services,
and
we'd
really
like
to
take
an
opportunity
to
talk
to
you
all
and
about
those
services
and
the
needs
associated
with
them
and
how
we.
P
I
Address
them
and
and
what
the
impact
on
the
fees
would
be
through
that
and
and
perhaps
get
a
little
more
focus
on
that
outside
of
you
know
our
normal
budget
process,
so
that
so
that
it
doesn't
kind
of
get
you
know
overshadowed
we
got
a
lot
going
on
as
every
year
as
part
of
the
budget
process,
so
we're
hoping
that
mid-year
review
again
we
can.
We
can
really
focus
in
on
those
two
services.
I
All
right,
I
think,
we're
on
to
the
last
slide
so
yeah.
In
summary,
the
recommended
changes,
the
water
rate
realignment
begins
to
recover
the
loss
of
that
capital
fee,
while
still
maintaining
rates
below
the
fy
20
amounts.
We
have
some
minor
adjustments
to
other
fees
that
help
offset
the
cost
of
services
and
some
improvements
to
those
services
and
then
again
that
video
review
of
sanitation
and
stormwater
fees
will
hopefully
reduce
the
impact
of
fee
increases
citywide,
while
still
providing
us
that
opportunity
to
have
that
discussion
with
you
all.
E
This
is
kim.
I
have
two
questions
lingering
going
back
to
the
sidewalk
fee
and
lou.
Now
that
it's
per
square
foot,
what
was
do
we
know
what
our
previous
linear
foot
sidewalk
fee
and
lou
was.
E
Okay,
thank
you
and
then
the
second
thing-
I'm
just
gonna-
refer
to
this,
so
that
when
folks
are
trying
to
follow
along
on
our
city
council
agenda,
the
document
attached
to
this,
which
is
the
water
resources,
fees
and
charges
at
the
bottom,
has
a
water
rate
model
details
list
linked.
E
C
O
Sure,
thanks
for
this
question
kim,
I
think
it's
a
little
bit
of
both
the
differentials
that
we
had
in
place
previously
are
still
there
plus
you've
got
the
base
fee.
So
if
you've
got
the
larger
meter
or
the
more
you're
able
to
get
more
capacity
of
water
you're
going
to
pay
a
higher
base
fee,
does
that
answer
your
question.
E
A
And
that
is
true
so,
but
ever
since
the
water
authority
ceased
to
exist
in
2005,
I
believe
it
was,
and
after
a
lot
of
litigation,
we
now
have
a
really
robust
capital
maintenance
program
in
place
for
and
it's
a
multi-million
dollar
program
in
place
for
our
water
resources
and
infrastructure,
and
I
would
note
this:
last
year
we
completed
the
norfolk
dam
project.
Right
I
mean
this
is
a
little
difficult,
because
people
don't
see
these
massive
projects,
but
so
vital
to
maintaining
our
system
we're
a
lucky
city.
A
A
Folks
we're
we
do
any
you
of
you,
have
any
more
questions
of
staff
about
the
fees
and
charges.
We've
got
this
slightly
complicated
motion
system.
We
got
to
do
here
with
these,
where
I'm
gonna
need
three
motions,
and
then
we
have,
I
believe
at
least
one
person
signed
up
to
speak
under
this
item.
A
K
A
Ii,
okay
and
then
I
need
a
motion
for
us
to
adopt
an
ordinance
establishing
fiscal
year:
2021
2022
water
resources,
fees
and
charges.
This
is
antoinette.
A
Okay
and
then
finally,
can
I
get
a
motion,
a
second
to
adopt
an
ordinance
amending
the
fiscal
year,
2021
2022
fees
and
charges
manual
to
include
a
special
event
fee
discount.
This
is
kim
motion.
J
A
N
T
Yeah,
I'm
I'm
here.
Thank
you
very
much.
Please
excuse
me,
I
might
seem
a
little
rusty,
but
this
is
the
first
time
I've
been
involved
in
a
public
setting
or
forum
for
quite
some
time.
I
have
been
like
a
bear.
I
guess
hibernating
amid
the
pandemic,
like
everybody
and
now
ready
to
come
out
of
my
den
and
get
on
with
life.
T
So
before
I
come
out
of
into
the
light,
though
I
just
want
to
say
that
I,
like
the
black
bear,
would
need
to
make
sure
that
it
was
safe
for
me
to
emerge
from
my
safe
haven
and
in
the
realm
of
asheville.
I
feel
very
safe
and
comfortable
here.
T
My
name
is
scott
vance
and
since
you
cannot
see
me,
I
have
a
long
white
hair
and
a
beard
and
I
would
make
santa
proud-
I
guess
with
my
beard
right
now.
It's
really
growing
with
that
and
all
my
wrinkles
and
blemishes
I'm
a
little
hesitant
to
come.
Expose
myself
where
you
know
people
might
apply
a
value
judgment.
That
is
not
quite
true.
Let's
be
honest,
willie
nelson
would
laugh
and
how
I
look
and
probably
the
reason
I
was
told
not
to
go
into
television
and
stay
with
radio,
but
seriously.
T
But
and-
and
my
you
know,.
T
T
I've
been
under
the
weather
health-wise
and
I
need
a
little
time
to
try
to
see
what
I
can
do
to
help
the
city
of
asheville,
especially
since
I'm
going
to
be
living
there
very
soon.
T
So
I
was
just
wondering
not
to
keep
rambling,
but
would
I
be
given
the
opportunity
to
kind
of
table
table
the
issue.
A
All
right:
well,
we
didn't
get
to
what
it
was
that
the
request
was
to
table.
So
I'm
sorry
for
that,
but
I
don't
think
we
have
any
other
folks
signed
up
to
speak
under
this
item.
So
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
move
ahead
with
the
vote.
Unless
there's
any
other
questions
or
comments.
A
Okay,
the
first
okay,
we're
gonna,
have
to
do
three
of
these
votes,
so
the
first
is
on
establishing
the
fiscal
year:
2021
2022
water
resources
fees
and
no
the
first
one
should
be
the
motion
to
adopt
an
ordinance
establishing
the
fees
and
charges
manual
for
fiscal
year.
2021
2022.,
all
right,
I'm
going
to
do
a
role
called
the
vice
mayor
smith,
hi,
councilwoman,
kilgore,.
A
Councilwoman
kilgore
will
be
there.
Are
you
do
we
lose
her?
Oh,
I
don't
see
her.
Do
you
guys
hear
no.
K
A
A
Councilman
kilgore
you're
you're
you're
back.
I
assume
you
had
a
little
technical
difficulty.
We
just
did
our
first
vote
on
the
adoption
of
the
ordinance
establishing
the
fees
and
charges
manual
for
fiscal
year.
2021-2022.
A
Do
you
vote
I
or
nay
aye?
Okay!
Thank
you.
Okay,
we'll
do
the
next
one.
This
is
the
vote
on
the
motion
to
adopt
an
ordinance
establishing
fiscal
year:
2021
2022
water
resources,
fees
and
charges
all
right,
we'll
start
with
you:
councilwoman
kilgore
aye,
councilwoman,
mosley,
aye,
councilwoman,
roni,
no
councilwoman
turner,
aye,
councilwoman,
whistler,.
K
A
Vice
mayor
smith,
I
and
myself
I
and
then
finally,
our
motion
in
second
to
adopt
an
ordinance
amending
the
fiscal
year,
2021-2022
fees
and
charges
manual
to
include
a
special
event
fee
discount
councilwoman
mosley,
aye,
councilwoman,
roni,
aye,
councilwoman
turner,
hi,
councilwoman,
whistler
aye,
vice
mayor
smith,
I
and
myself
I
and
councilwoman
kilgore
hi.
A
J
Okay,
boards
and
commissions
committee
met
this
morning
and
we
made
the
following
recommendations
for
the
affordable
housing
committee:
the
board
the
board
recommends
the
appointment
of
randy
woodard
to
the
housing
authority,
staff
seat
and
jet
with
and
chris
day
and
sakia
bell
rogers
for
the
general
housing
experience
seats.
That
is
a
motion.
Can
I
get
a
second.
J
All
right,
the
motion
in
a
second
I'll
do
a
roll
call
vote
mayor,
main
heiler,
hi,
councilwoman,
kilgore,
aye
mosley.
I.
J
A
K
J
J
J
K
J
And
myself
I
motion
carries
the
last.
The
last
recommendation
is
for
the
newly
formed
design
review
committee
and
the
boards
and
commissions
committee.
We
did
our
due
diligence,
we
have
a
recommendation
for
the
downtown
commission
and
also
the
riverfront
redevelopment
commission,
but
because
this
is
a
newly
formed
committee
and
it's
some
ongoing
discussion
there
be.
There
may
be
an
alternative
to
our
motion
on
tonight,
so
especially
concerning
the
downtown
commission.
J
So
before
I
make
my
recommendation
I'll
just
instead
of
making
my
recommendation
I'll
just
open
this
up
for
a
small
discussion
in
case
someone
has
an
alternative
motion.
B
Vice
mayor,
this
is
sage.
Thank
you.
I
just
have
a
couple
comments
that
may
alter.
I
think
all
of
these
applicants
are
incredible
applicants
and
you're
right,
since
this
is
new
and
newly
forming.
We
may
have
kind
of
overlooked
something
we
have
an
applicant
with
five
from
the
downtown
commission
and
four
need
to
be
chosen.
One
of
the
applicants
is
already
seated
on
two
very
large
boards,
the
downtown
commission
and
the
planning
and
zoning
board,
and
this
would
be
a
third
seat
for
them,
which
is
something
we
try
to
avoid
in
general.
B
I
have
reached
out
to
that
person
and
they
have
that
presents
guillermo
rodriguez.
Who
is
wonderful
and
he
has
said
he
would
stay
on
with
his
main
two
and
reapply
for
this
next
year.
If
that
was
better
for
everyone,
and
the
other
part
of
this
is
that
when
we
were
talking
about
these
boards
coming
together,
I
don't
know
if
we
maybe
assumed
and
didn't
write
it,
but
we
we're
kind
of
thinking.
B
The
chairs
of
the
boards
would
be
one
of
the
seats,
so
one
of
the
folks
that
wasn't
selective
as
brian
moffatt,
who
is
a
considerable
leader
and
has
run
our
design
board
for
a
long
time,
and
I
would
really
love
having
spoken
with
all
them.
I
would
put
forth
a
motion
to
replace
guillermo
with
brian
moffitt
under
knowing
that
I
have
spoken
with
mr
rodriguez
and
he
would
return
next
year.
J
Okay,
would
you
make
a
motion
for
your
recommendation
for
the
downtown
commission.
B
J
All
right,
there's
a
motion:
is
there
a.
K
Smith,
may
I
ask
a
quick
question?
Yes
ma'am
when
I
looked
at
the
when
when
I'm
looking
at
the
details
here,
there's
a
question.
It
says
brian
moffatt
candler
with
a
question
mark.
Does
he
not
live
in
the
city.
B
And
we
have
a
couple
of
those
I
will
say.
I
think
we
have
three
members
that
are
not
city,
and
I
wasn't
I
re
inquired
about
that,
because
I
wasn't
really
sure
he's
a
county
appointee.
Each
of
these,
the
riverfront
has
many
appointees
that
are
outside
the
city,
and
the
downtown
commission
has
two
county
appointees
and
a
saved
seat
for
a
business
association.
B
J
Kind
of
been
an
ongoing
conversation
with
the
committee
that
we
only
appoint
a
person
that
lives
in
the
county
if
they
have
some
special
expertise.
That
is
not
that
we
cannot
find
in
our
regular
pool
of
applicants.
Would
you
say
that
this
is
the
case
here,
or
are
we
making
an
exception
against
the
committee's
advice.
B
I
would
think
that
brian
is
an
exception.
The
other
thing
is
that
we're
trying
to
build
a
kind
of
a
diverse
pool
of
professionals
and
community
advocates-
and
we
have
several
landscape
architects,
of
which
we
could
maybe
reduce
and
feel
strongly
about,
would
be
my
input.
E
This
is
kim
so
that
kind
of
gets
it
where
my
concern
is
when
we
have
like
the
overlap,
but
also
when
we
have
an
opportunity
to
have
someone
who
is
on
planning
and
zoning
as
well.
I
think
that
we
may
need
this
on
our
early
version
of
this
new
commission,
also
that
being
on
the
downtown
commission
and
riverfront
commission
are
required
for
the
majority
of
these
seats.
So
I
would
personally
like
to
see
guillermo
help
to
lead
us
off
in
the
start
of
this
commission,
so
I
would
suggest
guillermo
kimberly
hunter.
J
J
Okay,
in
that
case,
it
seems
like
I'll
just
do
a
roll
call
vote.
Yes,
mayor
mannheimer,
aye,
councilman,
kill
war,
aye,
councilwoman,
mosley,
no
councilwoman,
rony,
no
councilwoman
turner,
hi
and
myself.
I,
that
is
a
five
to
low
promotion,
carries
I.
J
J
It
carries
and
for
the
the
other
part
of
that
design
review
committee,
we
have
a
recommendation
and
again
we
are
charged
to
seat
four
members,
but
we
didn't
have
a
great
application
pool.
The
committee
went
on
and
just
appointed
the
three
who
put
in
the
applications,
but
I
think
there
is
going
to
be
some
ongoing
outreach.
J
So
with
that
being
said,
we
recommend
jane
matthews
ben
williamson
and
jeremy
goldstein.
Can
I
get
a
second
second
all
right
with
the
motion?
A
second
I'll.
Do
the
last
roll
called
vote
mayor,
manheimer,
aye,
councilman,
kilbourne,
aye,
councilwoman,
mosley,
aye,
councilwoman,
rony,
hi,
councilwoman,
turner,
aye,
councilwoman,
whistler,
hi
and
myself.
I
that
motion
carries
that's
all.
A
Okay,
thank
you
all
right.
So
now
we're
to
the
informal
discussion
of
public
comment
and
council.
Don't
forget.
We
have
a
closed
session,
so
don't
go
anywhere.
We're
going
to
hear
informal
discussion
and
public
comment.
Staff
will
now
connect
connect,
live
calls
from
our
speaker,
q
for
informal
discussion
of
public
comment
again
we're
only
taking
callers
who
signed
up
in
advance
callers.
You
will
first
hear
staff
and
forum
counsel
that
you're
next
to
speak.
Then
you
will
hear
an
automated
message,
letting
you
know
you
are
unmuted
and
live
in
the
meeting.
A
You
may
begin
speaking
after
the
automated
message,
if
you
accidentally
drop
out
of
the
speaker,
queue
just
redial
the
number
and
meeting
code
press
star
three
to
rejoin
the
speaker.
Queue
you'll
have
three
minutes
to
comment
and
at
the
end
of
the
three
minutes
you
will
hear
a
bell
and
staff
will
ask
you
to
wrap
up
your
comment,
so
staff.
N
U
First,
like
under
the
fees
and
new
business
the
ada
came
up,
this
is
again
where
the
disables
fit
in.
I
don't
have
a
job.
I
don't
have
a
non-profit
job
that
that
deals
with
the
disabled.
I
just
notice
how
you
all
deal
with
the
disabled
and
you
have
an
ada
coordinator,
he's
the
city
risk
manager,
brad
stein.
He
should
be
speaking
on
anything
he
should
be.
U
He
should
have
been
one
of
the
staff
that
spoke
during
that
fees
section
and
talked
about
this
idea
of
developers
and
fees
and
not
doing
their
what
they're
supposed
to
be
doing
with
ada
compliance,
but
we
don't
know
how
how
ada
compliance
works
in
in
city
of
asheville.
That's.
The
problem
is
with
closing
the
gap
they're
talking
about
ada
compliance,
but
I
see
very
little
happening
there,
but
that's
something
new.
U
I
just
noticed-
and
I
just
wanted
to
say
about
last
your
last
council
meeting
when
the
high-intensity
drug
trafficking
area
funds
came
up,
275
000
from
the
dea
and
office
of
national
drug
control
policy.
That
was
one
of
the
most
mysterious
conversations.
I've
ever
heard.
A
group
of
politicians
have
you
spent
a
lot
of
time
talking
about
astroturf
and
fees,
but
that
conversation
was
so
short
about.
U
U
That's
a
time
for
particularly
kim
and
shamika
the
chair
to
show
us
what
you've
got
with
dealing
with
crime.
U
I'm
attempting
to
get
on
the
bunkum,
macarthur
foundation,
safety
and
justice
challenge
engagement,
work
group
and
we'll
attempt
to
talk
about
a
street
slash
illicit
fentanyl
solutions
report
to
start
making
this.
It's
both
reinventing
law
enforcement
and
traditional
crime.
Fighting
that,
like
just
like
that
hit
the
money,
the
high
intensity,
drug
trafficking,
very
money.
U
S
12
1931
that
the
citizens
of
asheville
elected
our
very
first
asheville
city
council,
under
our
council
manager,
form
of
government-
and
I
just
wanted
to
give
you
a
little
flashback
as
to
what
happened
the
year.
You
were
born,
okay,
so
a
whole
bunch
of
people
in
asheville
and
a
whole
lot
of
organizations
wanted
a
whole
lot
of
changes
here
in
asheville
and
buncombe
county,
and
they
started
to
petition
our
new
senator
silas
bernard
to
bring
a
bunch
of
changes,
including
a
charter
change
for
asheville
for
a
new
form
of
government
and
the
electoral
system.
S
That
would
accompany
that
and
senator
bernard
said
that
he
would
do
that.
Only
if
we
held
a
referendum
and
the
people
of
asheville
supported
such
a
change.
Now
we
then
had
to
create
a
municipal
board
of
elections
to
oversee
our
referendum
and
all
the
elections.
That
would
follow
that
and
the
people
who
were
selected
there
was
three
men.
It
was
owen,
gudger,
joe
siever
and
william
coleman.
S
Now,
william
coleman,
his
name
would
show
up
in
1937
on
the
redlining
maps
and
forms
as
he
was,
the
loan
services
field
supervisor
for
the
home
owners
loan
corporation.
Not
a
real
great
guy
in
terms
of
you
know
his
redlining
history
here
in
asheville.
Anyway,
he
was
the
guy
who
was
on
our
board
of
elections.
S
We
then
the
same
group
of
people,
the
same
civic
activists
who
wanted
all
of
these
changes,
petitioned
senator
bernard
to
have
a
selective
repeal
of
north
carolina
state
statute,
which
provided
for
absentee
balloting,
and
this
repeal
removed
absentee
balloting
from
municipal
elections
in
buncombe
county,
so
the
referendum
that
we
then
had
had
no
absentee
balloting
going
on
in
it.
S
These
activists
also
wanted
to
eliminate
public
schools
as
polling
places
and
made
sure
that
there
were
really
tight
restrictions
on
poll
markers
to
assist
illiterate
voters
at
the
poll.
So
that's
just
a
little
bit
of
what
was
going
on
in
1931
and
and
that's
a
little
bit
about
how
asheville
city
council
was
born,
and
I
would
like
to
have
more
discussions
about
the
history
of
our
electoral
system
here
in
asheville,
but
anyway,
happy
birthday,
asheville
city,
council,
you're,
90
years
old
and
you're.
Looking
fantastic,
have
a
great
night.
Take
care.
N
A
Okay,
well,
this
is
good
because
my
dog
sees
a
bunny
on
the
yard
and
he
wants
to
go
crazy
so
and
anyway,
I'll
need
to
give
him
a
break,
but
not
to
go.
Get
that
money.
You
stop
it
all
right!
Folks,
we
have
a
closed
session
tonight
and
so
I
believe,
we're
going
to
have
the
closed
session
motion
by
councilman
roney.
A
Okay,
we
have
a
motion,
drive
a
second
I'll.
Second,
thank
you
and
before
we
vote
I
know
gwen
had
a
comment
on
the
closed
session
motion.
K
K
This
is
making
a
significant
strategic
shift
in
the
role
of
the
city
in
the
past.
The
city
has
spent
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars
participating
with
other
agencies
in
addressing
the
homelessness
issue.
By
even
discussing
this
purchase,
we
are
fundamentally
changing
the
city's
role.
We
will
lead
the
effort.
Let
me
be
clear:
this
is
not
just
a
real
estate.
Transaction
homelessness
is
a
huge
issue.
K
K
K
However,
the
city
has
no
or
very
little
expertise
with
running
a
shelter
or
providing
wrap-around
services.
Several
regional
non-profits
have
run
or
are
running
shelters.
The
county
has
not
only
the
expertise
in
providing
wraparound
services,
but
it
has
the
obligation
to
provide
health
and
human
services
under
north
carolina
law.
K
We
cannot
take
this
role
without
regional
non-profits,
our
business
communities,
our
residential
communities,
our
faith,
communities
and
the
county
government
partnering
with
us.
We
need
their
long-term
commitments
if
we
are
going
to
take
on
this
role
following
cdc
guidelines
during
the
pandemic
has
required
the
city
to
provide
alternatives
for
shelter
if
homeless
camps
are
being
eliminated.
K
The
city
has
done
that
and
paid
for
that
using
federal
funds.
However,
those
federal
funds
will
be
exhausted
within
two
years.
After
those
two
years,
the
city
will
still
own
a
shelter.
The
city
will
still
own
its
lead
role
as
the
solver
of
the
regional
homelessness
issue.
The
city
will
still
have
the
primary
responsibility
for
providing
shelter
and
health
and
human
services
for
the
homeless
population.
K
K
By
discussing
this
acquisition
of
property,
we
will
be
authorizing
staff
to
approach
other
people
and
make
offers
to
purchase
property
in
good
faith.
Those
other
people
should
be
able
to
trust
that
the
city
staff
has
authority
to
complete
a
transaction.
I
don't
want
to
pull
the
rug
out
from
anyone
who,
in
good
faith,
negotiates
with
the
city.
K
So
if
council
authorizes
the
staff
to
go
ahead
with
this
transaction
effectively,
council
has
authorized
a
major
shift
in
the
city's
role
around
householdness.
Rather
than
discussing
this
publicly,
we
will
go
into
closed
session
and
make
this
decision
once
staff
is
authorized
to
negotiate.
The
horse
has
left
the
barn
so
to
speak.
K
K
A
Oh,
that's
good!
You
didn't
all
hear
me
sneeze
all
right.
So
unless
there's
any
other
questions
or
comments,
I'm
going
to
do
a
roll
call
vote
regarding
the
closed
session
motion:
okay,
councilwoman
rony,
hi,
councilwoman
turner,
hi,
councilman
whistler,
no
vice
mayor
smith,
hi
myself,
I
councilwoman
kilgore
hi
and
councilwoman
mosley,
no,
okay,
we're
adjourning
to
our
closed
session,
which
means
we
gotta
log
out
of
this
meeting
and
log
into
our
closed
session
meeting.
So
we
will
adjourn
from
the
closed
session
and
we,
I
will
see
you
over
there
in
just
a
minute.