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A
Welcome
to
the
asheville
city
council
meeting,
if
you
could
just
take
a
moment
and
mute
your
cell
phones.
A
If
you
want
to
speak
on
tonight's
agenda,
please
sign
up.
There
was
a
there's,
a
sign
up
table
up
front
that'll
keep
on
going
during
the
meeting.
So
if
you're
suddenly
decided
you
want
to
talk
about
something
that
you
didn't
already
sign
up
for.
You
can
run
out
there
and
sign
up
for
that
and
we'll
constantly
get
the
sheets
up
here
for
me
to
be
able
to
call
on
folks
who
sign
up
to
speak,
we're
going
to
first
rise
and
do
the
pledge
of
allegiance.
Please
stand.
A
Okay,
I
need
a
motion
to
allow
councilwoman
rony
to
participate
remotely.
This.
C
A
I'll
move,
second,
all
right:
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
and
maggie.
You
said
you
gave
me:
that's
we
got
to
do
a
roll
call
vote
for
our
votes
tonight,
because
we
have
one
person
attending
remotely.
That
is
the
process,
so
I'm
gonna
call
a
boat
and
try
to
rotate
through
this
vice
mayor
smith,
aye
councilwoman,
whistler,
hi,
councilwoman,
brony,.
A
All
right
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second.
We
don't
have
anyone
signed
up
to
speak
under
the
consent
agenda,
so
I
will
call
the
vote.
Councilwoman
whistler,
aye,
councilwoman,
roni,.
A
A
Okay
under
presentations
and
reports,
we're
going
to
hear
from
sasha
vertinsky
for
item
a
which
is
a
221,
long
shoals
road.
We
have
a
items,
one
and
two
we'll
hear
the
presentation
for
both
and
take
public
comment
for
both
and
then
we
will
vote
on
those
items
separately.
F
D
D
D
So
this
project
is
consists
of
186
units
and
you'll,
hear
me
say
up
to
because
I
talked
with
the
developer
since
our
committee
meetings
and
basically
they're
saying
that's
their
max.
That
could
be
a
little
bit
less,
but
they
would
provide
20
percent
of
units,
so
it's
just
kind
of
a
caveat
there.
So
we're
all.
On
the
same
page.
D
D
Five
points
for
housing,
a
person
on
the
homeless
by
name
list,
10
points
for
their
location,
20
points
for
energy
efficiency
in
solar
panels,
10
points
for
universal
design
and
10
points
for
building
in
a
non-qualified
census
tract.
So
that's
a
total
of
85
points
or
17
years
of
taxes
paid
so
I'll.
Just
talk
a
little
bit
about
vouchers.
In
case
folks,
don't
know.
D
Our
area
currently
has
about
100
vouchers
that
are
going
unused
every
month.
We
get
monthly
updates
from
the
housing
authority
for
the
most
part,
because
there's
a
lack
of
units
that
accept
them,
so
people
have
them
they're
looking
for
housing
and
they
can't
find
a
unit.
So
when
someone
finds
a
unit,
they
leave
public
housing
and
it
opens
up
another
unit
behind
them,
so
we're
really
helping
two
households
at
once.
D
D
G
D
So
this
project
has
gone
to
the
housing
and
community
development
committee
and
they
reviewed
that
request
in
the
finance
committee.
Both
committees
voted
3-0
in
favor
and
I
believe
at
both
committees.
There
were
comments
about
the
unit
mix
and
concerns
about
wanting
to
have
more
bedrooms
and
that
especially
given
the
location
it's
across
the
street
from
we've
got
four
different
schools
right
there,
elementary
intermediate
middle
and
high
school
ahack,
the
affordable
housing
advisory
committee.
I
gave
them
an
update
and
they
also
made
similar
comments
to
the
other
committees
as
well.
D
So
and
I
did
request,
I
did
discuss
these
requests
with
the
developer
and
I
will
let
them
update
you
on
that
and
talk
up
their
situation
with
that.
So
overall
staff
is
still
recommending
approval
of
this
luige
request.
I'm
happy
to
take
any
questions
and
the
developer,
and
their
attorney
is
here
as
well.
C
A
But
the
rent
differential
is
more
than
that
for
the
affordable
unit.
Actually,
I
asked
the
applicant
about
what
the
difference
would
be
between
the
market
rate
and
the.
A
And
it's
significant
yeah
it's
well.
I
can't
recall
the
exact
number.
I
think
it
was
four
or
five
hundred
dollars
per
unit
per
unit
right.
So
so
our
level
of
subsidy
per
unit
you
know,
is
there's
there's
they
add
to
that.
B
Number-
and
I
think
I've
asked
this
before,
but
I
would
ask
staff
to
consider
consider
re-talking
about
this
idea.
You
know
we
say
37
units
at
80
ami,
but
then
19
of
those
would
accept
housing
choice
vouchers.
So
I
think
we
should
restate
that
to
basically
say
there's
going
to
be
10
of
them
that
are
at
80
percent,
ami
and
10
of
them
that
are
going
to
be
50
ami,
because
that's
pretty
much
what
the
housing
choice
vouchers
do.
B
To
right,
but
just
to
be
clear
right-
and
maybe
you
know
you
could
say,
accept
that
which
is
generally
50.
It's
just.
I
think
that
people
don't
fully
grasp
how
important
it
is
when
folks
will
accept
vouchers
that
who,
who
that
is
affecting-
and
you
know
that's
a
pretty
big
difference
between
80
and
50
percent.
So
just.
C
Yeah,
do
you
have
that
slide?
That
slide
is
really
great,
the
one
you
were
talking
about
with
the
50
percent.
It's
just
really
helpful.
I
appreciate
the
effort
that,
because
there
is
a
some
additional
into
gwen's
point,
there
is
some
extra
information.
It
could
even
be
more,
but
it's
really
helpful
to
see
this.
We
don't
always
share
it
that
way
and
the
helping
to
households
yeah.
Thank
you
great
explanation.
A
So
you
want
to
go
ahead
and
do
the
zoning
I
mean
was
that
all
on
one
or
do?
Is
there
any
further
pieces
for
the
zoning
piece
of
it?.
A
F
C
C
I
Good
after
mayor
and
members
of
council
will
palm
close
with
planning
and
urban
design
I'll
be
presenting
the
conditional
zoning
petition
for
this
project
at
221
launch
holes.
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
The
second
is
that
five
foot
wide
sidewalks
will
be
installed
internal
to
the
site,
as
opposed
to
the
required
ten
foot
wide
standard
and
that
no
bike
lane
will
be
installed
into
the
development
or
through
it.
Given
that
there's
no
bike
infrastructure
on
long
shoals,
road
currently.
I
A
Any
questions:
okay:
we
don't
have
anyone
signed
up
to
speak
under
this
item
unless
there's
been
any.
J
So
this
location,
I'm
just
gonna,
name,
location,
affordability
for
those
with
limit
or
no
access
to
a
personal
vehicle.
J
J
C
A
C
A
All
right,
we
have
a
motion
in
a
second
and
we'll
do
a
roll
call
vote
I'll
start
with
councilwoman
rony
hi
councilwoman,
mosley,
aye,
councilwoman
turner,
aye,
councilwoman,
kilgore,
aye
myself.
I
vice
mayor
smith,
aye,
councilman,
whistler,
aye,
okay
and
then
the
next
motion,
I
think,
had
a
has
a
there's,
a
piece
of
paper
there,
because
no,
this.
A
B
I'll
make
a
motion
to
approve
the
conditional
zoning
request
for
the
properties
located
at
221,
217
and
99999
longshoals
roll
road
from
community
business
to
residential
expansion
conditional
zone
and
find
that
the
request
is
reasonable
is
in
the
public.
Interest
is
consistent
with
the
city's
comprehensive
plan
and
meets
the
development
needs
of
the
community.
A
All
right
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
I'll
do
a
roll
call
vote,
councilwoman,
mosley,
councilman
turner,
hi,
councilman,
kilgore,
hi
myself.
I
vice
mayor
smith,
aye
councilwoman,
whistler,
aye,
councilwoman
roni,
all
right!
Thank
you.
Okay.
That
completes
item
item
a
one
and
two.
So
if
you
were
here
for
that-
and
this
is
your
time
to
flee
for
item
b,
we
need
a
motion
to
continue
this
item
to
august
23rd.
Do
I
have
a
motion
so
moved
all
right?
Do
I
have
a
second?
Second?
All
right?
F
A
Okay,
I'm
gonna
do
a
roll
call
vote,
councilwoman,
turner,
hi,
councilwoman,
kilgore,
hi
myself.
I
vice.
F
A
Smith,
aye
councilwoman
whistler,
aye,
councilwoman,
rony,
hi,
councilwoman,
mosley.
A
Okay
and
I
started
turning
them
right
all
right.
The
next
item
is
a
public
hearing
to
consider
closing
an
unopened
right
of
way
west
of
pearl
street
between
patton
avenue
and
hilliard
avenue
and
jessica
morris
is
going
to
talk
to
us
about
this.
One.
L
Good
evening,
council,
jessica,
morris
assistant,
director
of
the
transportation
department,
this
is
a
closure
request
for
an
unopened
right-of-way
that
is
west
of
pearl
street
between
patton
avenue
and
hilliard
avenue.
Delray
ventures
has
petitioned
for
this
closure
and
it
is
associated
with
the
previously
approved
avery
project.
L
L
This
is
a
view
of
the
project
site.
The
green
line
is
the
rear,
clingman
avenue
right
away
that
was
previously
closed
and
the
yellow
shows
the
right
of
way
that
is
being
proposed
to
be
closed.
This
evening
here
is
a
site
plan
of
the
avery
project
and
the
red
hashed
areas
are
the
right
of
ways
proposed
to
be
closed.
L
The
technical
review
committee
did
not
go
back
and
specifically
review
this
request.
However,
the
overall
project
had
been
reviewed
by
trc
multiple
times.
There
is
an
msd
sewer
line
that
exists
within
this
right-of-way.
Therefore,
an
easement
will
remain
in
place
and
no
structures
will
be
built
within
it,
and
dsd
and
transportation
staff
see
no
issues
with
the
requested
closure.
B
Good
I'll
make
a
motion
to
adopt
a
resolution
to
permanently
close
an
unopened,
right-of-way
west
of
pearl
street
between
patton
avenue
and
hilliard
avenue
associated
with
the
avery
project.
A
Have
anyone
signed
up
to
speak
under
this
item?
I'm
going
to
start
with
councilwoman
kilgore
myself.
I
vice
mayor
smith,
aye
councilwoman,
wessler,
aye,
councilwoman,
roney,
councilwoman,
mosley,
all
right,
councilwoman,
turner,
hi,
okay,
that
dispenses
with
item
c
on
the
public
hearings
agenda.
Moving
on
to
public
hearing
item
d,
a
public
hearing
relative
to
amending
the
unified
development
ordinance
to
update
open
space
requirements
and
related
amendments
and
vadilla
topica.
M
A
F
A
O
Good
afternoon,
members
of
council
city
staff,
members
of
the
public
we've
been
working
on
this
ordinance
for
about
three
years
and
we're
happy
to
be
here
tonight
and
to
talk
about
this
important
ordinance
and
the
community
conversation.
That's
been
going
around
I'll
go
through
first,
some
key
takeaways
to
just
get
you
situated.
This
is
a
proposed
zoning
text,
amendment
to
the
unified
development
ordinance
to
what
we're
seeing
here
is
mostly
private,
open
space,
zoning
regulations.
O
In
some
cases
city,
the
city
develops
property,
and
so,
in
this
case
those
cases
they
would
be
public
projects,
but
for
the
most
part,
this
is
about
private
development.
O
The
draft
regulations
seek
to
balance
city
goals
related
to
housing
and
the
environment,
so
the
proposed
benefits
include
significantly
removing
barriers
to
infill
housing
and
improving
the
quality
and
accessibility
of
open
spaces,
which
we
don't
really
have
in
our
current
open
space,
language
and,
finally,
the
open
space
ordinance.
It
complements
the
tree
canopy
efforts
and
we'll
talk
about
how
that
happens.
O
So
what
is
open
space?
This
is
the
definition
from
our
code
and
we're
not
proposing
to
change
this
open
space
means
an
area
that
is
intended
to
provide
light
and
air
and
is
designed
to
either
designed
for
either
environmental
scenic
or
recreational
purposes.
Open
spaces
may
include,
but
is
not
limited
to
lawns,
decorative
planting
walkways
active
and
passive
recreation
areas,
playgrounds,
fountains,
swimming
pools,
wooded
areas
and
water
courses,
and
then
we
say
that
they
shall
not
be
included
for
driveways
parking,
lots
and
other
services
for
vehicular
use.
O
So
I
just
want
to
be
clear
that
open
spaces
can
be
wooded.
They
can
be
grass,
they
can
be
a
hardscape
of
urban
plaza.
We
want
to
provide
the
variability
to
allow
design
flexibility
a
little
bit
about
the
process.
As
I
mentioned,
we
started
in
2019
moving
through
2020.
We
realized
there
was
some
community
concern
about
this,
so
we
slowed
down
and
we're
encouraged
to
create
a
task
force.
We
created
this
task
force
of
members
from
these
different
boards
and
commissions
that
you
can
see
here.
O
The
riverfront
commission,
affordable
housing,
advisory
commission
developers,
group
downtown
commission,
the
neighborhood
advisory
committee
planning
and
zoning
sustainability
and
the
urban
forestry
group,
so
it
was
very
much
diverse
and
we
used
a
consensus
based
decision-making
process.
Every
decision
we
we
came
to
with
full
consensus
it
made
for
a
lot
more
work,
but
we
came
to
some
better
results.
O
O
This
is
a
significant,
significant
problem
with
the
current
ordinance
and
we'll
talk
about
how
open
space
undermines
housing
in
asheville.
We
want
to
improve
the
quality
and
accessibility
of
open
spaces.
Today,
they're,
not
very
accessible.
You
can
place
them
on
a
very
slow
piece
of
property
that
very
few
people
will
be
able
to
get
to.
We
want
to
simplify
and
clarify
the
regulations
so
that
city
staff
and
the
public
can
better
understand
how
these
rules
work
and
how
they
can
be
applied.
O
O
O
The
city
is
investing
a
lot
of
money
in
the
parks
they
have
six
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
year
for
deferred
maintenance,
which
is
about
ten
thousand
dollars
per
part,
not
tons
of
money,
but
it's
something
and
they've
been
going
through
a
17
million
dollar
bond
referendum
for
parks
over
the
last
five
years
with
one
year
remaining,
so
we're
looking
we're
trying
to
improve
our
parks,
but
this
open
space
zoning
is
primarily
about
private
development,
and
here
are
some
examples
of
what
those
spaces
look
like
in
the
community.
O
If
you
go
around
playgrounds
in
in
areas
with
residential
development,
residential
development
or
commercial
along
rivers,
you
might
see
seeding
near
the
rivers
behind
development.
There
may
be
wetland,
that's
incorporated
with
grass
and
then
these
more
urban
type
layouts
with
courtyards
or
outdoor
dining
and
again.
What
you
can
see
here
is
that
in
some
cases,
they're
just
about
the
grass
and
the
hardscape
that
trees
aren't
required,
but
we
love
trees
and
we
want
trees.
O
O
O
Shortly
after
that,
and
and
through
that,
we
developed
the
tree.
Canopy
preservation,
ordinance
that
was
established
at
the
end
of
2020
and
basically
what
it
requires
is
that
every
commercial
property
that's
applicable
to
it
must
provide
between
five
and
thirty
percent
of
tree
canopy.
That
can
be
it's
a
mixture
of
preservation
or
you
can
cut
it
all
down
and
have
to
replant
it,
and
it
depends
on
where
you
are
in
the
city
and
what
the
type
of
land
use
is.
O
We
have
shrubs
to
block
planting
areas,
trees
within
parking
areas,
so
a
significant
number
of
trees
through
those
two
mechanisms,
but
not
required
in
open
space.
It
can
work
together
if
you
want
to
put
trees
in
open
spaces,
but
it's
not
required
so
which
properties
are
required
to
provide
open
space.
O
O
This
chart
provides
a
an
overview
of
the
current
situation
with
open
space
and
the
proposed
so
I'll
kind
of
walk
through
these
relatively
quickly.
I
think
you
unders
you've
all
seen
this,
but
the
public
hasn't,
maybe
so,
for
residential
on
the
left,
which
is
home
homes
or
lots.
The
current
regulation
is
that
you
must
provide
500
square
feet
per
unit
of
housing
or
15
of
your
parcel,
whichever
is
greater
so
about
15.
O
On
the
proposed
side,
you
see
that
we
we
vary
today,
what
we're
proposing
between
five
and
ten
percent
on
the
smaller
side.
The
thinking
is
that
for
smaller
sites,
we
need
to
be
more
flexible
because
it's
hard
to
fit
everything
in
and
then
for
larger
sites,
there's
more
room
allowing
for
more
more
open
space.
The.
O
That
says,
500
square
feet
per
unit,
whichever
is
greater,
which,
which
leads
to
incredible
numbers
of
open
space
in
subdivisions
we're
suggesting
that
we
reduce
the
open
space
a
little
bit.
Some
of
this
thinking
is
that
if
you
have
a
home
with
a
front
yard
in
the
backyard,
maybe
open
space
isn't
that
necessary
and
so
we're
suggesting
that
we
bring
that
down
a
little
bit
for
commercial
property.
Likewise,
we're
suggesting
that
it
come
down
a
little
bit
because
for
most
commercial
property,
it's
maybe
arguable
that
open
space
isn't
as
required.
F
O
Know
do
you
really
need
a
seating
area
for
people
to
socialize
outside?
We?
We
think
it's
important,
because
if
you're
employing
people
they
might
want
to
go
outside
and
have
their
lunch
outside
someplace
rather
than
in
the
parking
lot.
So
that
makes
sense
for
storm
water.
Current
regulations
don't
require
managed
storm
water
mitigation
for
infill
projects.
We're
suggesting
that
for
large
large
sites
it
is,
it
should
be
incentivized.
O
There
is
no
relationship
to
incent,
affordable
housing
with
the
current
ordinance
and
we
are
proposing
that
large
sites
would
have
a
less
restrictive,
open
space
standard
the
fee
in
lieu
which
is
paying
for
for
properties
that
choose
instead
of
providing
the
open
space
to
pay,
for
it
is
going
to
stay
the
same,
and
it's
only
allowed
for
small
projects,
because
we
think
it's
important
that
larger
projects
that
have
the
space
should
provide
the
open
space
and
two
changes
proposed
for
the
river
arts
district
in,
what's
called
the
open
space
and
public
facilities,
part
of
the
code
we're
suggesting
that
the
maximum
building
coverage
is
reduced,
which
is
to
say
that
buildings
can't
be
as
as
large
and
that
there's
more
of
an
impervious
surface
reduction.
O
That
was
a
lot.
Thank
you
for
being
patient.
So,
let's
look
at
residential
development.
This
chart
compares
asheville
with
other
cities
on
the
far
left.
We
you
see
the
percent
of
open
space
required
and
on
the
bottom,
you
see
different
colors
for
the
the
cities
that
we're
looking
at
the
blue
is
the
lower
end
of
their
typical
thresholds
and
the
red
is
a
high,
and
what
you
see
that's
very
clear,
is
that
asheville
is
high
is
incredibly
high.
O
You
know
two
to
three
or
four
stories
that
they're
suggesting
that
we
get
rid
of
open
space
standards.
We're
not
going
that
far.
We
think
it
has
a
role
we're
just.
We
think
it
needs
to
be
more
in
balance.
O
So
a
few
examples.
This
is
a
building
that
we
actually
lived
in.
My
son
was
one
when
we
were
working
on
our
home
and
you
can
see
it's
a
1920s
building
of
three
stories
and
20
units.
It
has
a
nice
room
for
trees
in
the
front
and
around
around
the
sides.
Let's
look
at
what
would
be
required
if
we
applied
our.
If
this
building
wanted
to
be
built
today
and
would
have
to
meet
our
our
current
standards
under
the
current
requirement,
they
would
only
be
able
to
build
three
units
on
this
property.
O
So
to
me
just
to
have
that
amount
of
open
space,
this
three-story
building
would
be
three
three
floors
of
one
unit,
large
luxury
apartments.
Obviously
you
know
people
wouldn't
do
that
today,
but.
O
What
this
ordinance
leads
to
under
the
proposed
requirement,
we're
allowing
for
what
was
built
so
we're
allowing
for
this
historic
what
our
historic
code
in
the
20s
allowed
to
build
another
example.
This
is
one
that's
actually
being
proposed
in
the
city
and
on
the
left.
You
can
see
that
under
the
current
requirements,
just
to
have
that
amount
of
open
space,
there
would
only
be
permitted
to
have
eight
units
in
total.
These
are
two
buildings.
The
blue,
blue
squares
are
individual.
O
And
each
one
is,
I
think,
it's
four
stories,
so
we
we
could
get.
We
could
get
eight
units
under
the
proposed
because
of
the
way
we
change
it
and
allow
for
greater
flexibility
in
smaller
projects.
We
would
get
22
units,
so
the
projects
from
the
outside
would
look
exactly
the
same.
You
might
not
know
if
you
weren't
paying
attention
that
the
same
four-story
buildings
were
cut
up
into
eleven
unit
buildings
or
four
uni.
You
know
buildings
they
would,
they
would
have
to
meet
the
city's
tree.
O
Canopy
preservation,
ordinance
they'd,
have
the
same
amount
of
trees.
The
open
space
may
be
grass,
it
may
have
trees
in
it.
We
don't
know
it
would
depend
on
them.
You
would
have
the
same
number
of
parking,
but
we
would
lose
a
significant
number
of
housing
units
if
we
don't
implement
this
change
now
we're
looking
at
subdivisions.
So
this
is
the
carving
up
of
lots.
When
we
want
to
build
homes,
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
free
land,
so
we
don't
see
a
lot
of
subdivisions,
but
they
still
happen
under
current
regulations.
O
We
require
20
percent
of
the
property
to
be
set
aside
as
open
space
and
what
we
see.
This
is
a
real
life
example.
You,
the
blue,
little
shapes,
are
homes
and
the
yellow
are
the
proposed
open
spaces.
They
typically
are
tucked
in
behind
properties
where
the
land
isn't
as
easily
accessible
and
isn't
as
good
isn't
easy
to
develop.
O
However,
through
some
feedback
from
the
public
and
more
interest
in
trees,
we've
added
a
clause
that
says
as
an
all
alternative
approach
in
a
subdivision.
O
You
can
instead
choose
to
provide
10
more
tree,
canopy
preservation
and
that
allows
you
to
not
have
to
provide
open
space
in
the
subdivision
and
the
the
community
wins
by
getting
more
trees
and
potentially,
in
a
case
like
this,
the
developer
might
get
another
housing
unit
which
they
would
want
to
see
and
we
see
to
provide
more
housing
supply.
O
So
it
really
seems
like
a
real
positive
win
that
we
came
up
with
we're
getting
close
to
the
end.
So
for
commercial
development,
this
is
a
similar
chart,
and
what
you
see
here
is
that
many
cities
don't
require
open
space
for
commercial
properties.
We
do
on
the
right.
There
are
two
bars
for
asheville
under
the
condition
under
today
and
proposed
now
under
the
proposed
people
might
think.
Why
are
we
proposing
an
enormous
amount
of
open
space?
A
F
The
councilman
are
you.
A
Oh
okay,
okay,
good.
We
heard
it,
but
we
weren't
sure
what
was
going
on
vadilla
to
be
clear.
This
part's
very
confusing
the
stormwater
part
is
confusing
state
law
preempts
us
from
requiring
stormwater
mitigation
for
projects
over
an
acre.
O
A
State
law
again
I
mean
I
just
want
to
make
it
clear.
This
is
another
one
of
these
areas
where
we're
stuck
with
the
option
to
incentivize
rather
than
mandate,
because
we
don't
have
a
mandate
option
because
we're
preempted
under
state
law,
so
there's
many
areas
that
work
like
that,
like
affordable
housing
requirements
and
projects.
You
just
heard
one.
We
can
incentivize
through
the
luige
program,
but
we
can't
require
it.
O
G
G
O
Few
more
slides
we
have
an
incentive
for
good
design.
What
we're
saying
is
that
if
you
provide
seating,
if
you
provide
a
flatter
surface
that
is
accessible
to
the
public,
especially
people
who
have
disabilities
and
a
hard
time
getting
around.
If
you
provide
a
space
that
is
more
cohesive
rather
than
broken
up
open
spaces
and
that's
regular
in
shape,
we
will
allow
you
to
reduce
your
open
space
by
five
percent,
and
the
goal
is
that
we
achieve
something
more
like
this.
O
We
recreate
social
spaces
where
people
can
enjoy
themselves
and
their
friends
and
their
families
versus
on
the
bottom
right.
This
is
a
real
example
from
one
of
our
open
spaces
in
in
a
part
of
asheville
that
just
sort
of
falls
off
from
behind
some
parking,
and
most
people
wouldn't
know
that
it's
not
just
a
large
setback,
so
we're
trying
to
do
better
for
our
open
spaces
for
people.
O
I
won't
go
through
this
again,
but
this
is
just
a
summary
in
case
you
have
any
questions
or
thoughts.
This
is
the
the
proposed
the
current
versus
the
proposed.
O
O
Kind
of
a
seesaw
trying
to
provide
both
and,
most
importantly,
we're
trying
to
remove
the
barriers
to
infill
housing,
while
balancing
and
creating
more
high
high
quality
and
accessible
open
spaces,
and
to
remind
everybody-
because
I've
heard
a
lot
about
this.
This
concern
that
we're,
through
this
ordinance
denuding
the
trees
of
asheville
that
open
space
is
separate
from
the
tree.
Canopy
efforts
we're
making.
We
measure
open
space
on
the
ground
plane
looking
at
the
the
ground
and
the
tree.
Canopy
standards
are
measured
by
canopy,
which
is
above
so
in
many
ways
they
can
overlap.
O
They
can
be
in
the
same
places
they
can
be
next
to
each
other,
and
so
they
they
work
together.
O
So
we
are,
we
are
requesting,
that's
letting
you
know
that
staff
recommends
approval
of
this
amendment,
because
we
believe
it's
reasonable
in
the
public
interest
and
consistent
with
the
city's
goals,
in
that
the
changes
improve
open
space
regulations
by
creating
more
usable,
open
spaces,
removing
conflicts
that
inhibit
a
greater
production
of
infill
housing,
incentivize,
better
stormwater
management
for
larger
parcels
and
supporting
walkable
transit,
supported
neighborhoods
by
encouraging
more
efficient
land
use
without
increasing
the
cost
of
development.
E
I
have
a
question
and
I
could
have
missed
it
or
whatever,
but
I
I
know
this
basically
more
or
less
take
some
consideration
private
developers.
So
I'm
just
wondering:
do
you
offer
any
types
of
incentives
if
the
private
developers
actually
open
this
open
space
for
public
use
is.
O
We
we
do
that
for
greenways.
What
we
say
is
that
if,
if
a
parcel
is
developed-
and
it's
part
on
the
parcel,
it's
part
of
the
greenway
master
plan,
so
we
want
some
land
to
be
dedicated
to
the
city
that
we
we
allow
them
to
meet
their
open
space
standards
by
gifting
that
piece
the
parcel
to
the
city.
E
H
H
B
But
we
have
on
our.
F
B
This
motion
to.
B
O
Can
start
if
you
want
just
to
give
you
a
brief
overview
so
in
in
the
code?
Let
me
I
have
it
here
just
to
make
sure
I'm
reading
the
right
thing.
We
have
a
special
section
that
says
that
if
you're
part
of
one
of
these
large
parcels
that
you're
required
to
meet
the
city's
stormwater
mitigation,
if
you
want
to
have
the
the
amount
of
open
space
reduced-
and
there
are
the
the
first
one-
is
that
you
meet
the
stormwater.
If
you
meet
stormwater,
you
can
reduce
your
open
space.
O
The
second
clause
says
that
if
you're,
affordable,
housing
that
and
the
project
is
predominantly
and
we're
saying
at
least
50
residential
and
that
over
30
percent
of
the
units
are
affordable,
that
essentially,
what
we're
trying
to
say
is
that
you
don't
have
to
meet
this
stronger,
open
space
standards,
and
I
think
the
suggestion
here,
rather
than
specifically
calling
out
that
that
they
must
meet
affordability
at
this
80
percent
area,
median
income
to
be
more
flexible.
O
What
we're
proposing
is
that
that
could
instead
say
shall
be
at
or
below
those
meeting
the
aryan
median
area
income,
as
stated
in
the
luige
program.
That
way
in
case,
if
we
adjust
that
grant
yeah.
B
G
R
J
B
Just
making
making
it
thai
tie
in
together,
so
we
don't
have
to
mend
again
except.
O
Idea
was
that
we
wanted
to
to
make
sure
that
these
were
really
affordable
projects.
So
if
we
want
to
be
less,
I
guess
if
we
want
to
be
more
in
line
with
luige
and
consistent,
we
can
do
that.
The
thinking
here
was
that
we
were
kind
of
pushing
and
trying
to
get
more
affordability.
O
So
yeah,
in
summary,
what
this
is
trying
to
do:
there
has
been
a
community
conversation
about
what
is
open
space,
doing
with
affordability
in
this
clause
and
knowing
that
there
may
be
updates
with
the
luige
grant.
O
What
we're
suggesting
is,
let's
just
relate
this
to
luige,
and
then
the
community
can
continue
to
have
its
conversation,
and
if
that
changes,
this
will
be.
It
will
affect
this.
At
the
same
time,
okay,.
B
J
The
stormwater
incentives
are
obviously
sorely
needed,
but
I
wonder
if,
before
loosening
the
development
standards
for
open
space,
we
could
one
incentivize
deeper
affordability
at
60
percent
of
the
area
needed
income,
not
80.,
get
the
luige
in
alignment
with
this
instead
of
the
other
way
around
and
then
consider
pausing
approval
until
the
new
urban
forester
is
higher.
So
we
can
review
for
tree
canopy
impact.
J
I
would
hate
for
us
to
bring
a
new
staff
member
on
board
and
have
this
policy
and
that
staff
members
work
be
in
conflict
when
we
have
an
opportunity
to
get
it
right.
We've
already
been
batting
this
around
for
a
while.
C
Okay,
any
other.
I
just
wanted
to
thank
you
vadilla
for
such
a
thorough
explanation.
I
know
my
inbox
today
has
had
some
confusing
emails
and
as
if
some
of
the
folks
sending
them
weren't
quite
understanding
what
was
before
us
today,
and
I
think
that
your
presentation
explained
it
very
well
and
hopefully,
maybe
I'll-
send
it
to
some
of
those
emails
later,
but
really
thorough
job
and
and
also
wow,
on
strict
consensus
along
the
way.
B
And
sticking
with
it
for
three
years.
A
A
And
the
first
person
signed
up
to
speak.
Oh
folks,
this
only
our
second
time,
the
council
chamber
since
before
covet
so
to
review.
You'll
have
three
minutes
to
speak.
There's
lights
on
the
lectern
green
means
go
orange
means
your
time's.
Almost
up
and
red
means
stop
and
it'll
it'll
beep.
A
We
have
two
groups
that
have
seeded
time
to
a
single
speaker,
so
that
single
speaker
will
be
allotted
ten
minutes,
and
so
with
that
I'm
gonna
I'm
gonna
begin.
So
the
first
person
signed
up
to
speak
is
sharon
summerhall.
F
F
F
A
F
A
Is
it
victoria,
yes,
okay,
and
then
we
also
have
lynn
hurley?
Okay,
thank
you
all
right.
So
10
minutes.
Thank
you.
G
Mayor
council,
member
city
manager,
my
name
is
sharon
sumrall.
I
am
currently
a
member
of
the
urban
forestry
commission,
neighborhood
advisory
committee
and
the
coalition
of
asheville
neighborhoods.
I
was
also
a
member
of
two
subcommittees
that
worked
with
vadilla
on
the
open
space,
ordinance
revisions
and
contrary
to
what
vadilla
stated,
there
was
not
a
consensus.
G
I
am
representing
myself
in
the
opposition
of
open
space
but
ufc
nack
and
can
have
officially
submitted
their
opposition
to
the
new
ordinance.
This
is
what
I
see
as
major
issues
of
the
current
open
space.
Ordinance
first
neighborhoods
were
not
consulted,
nor
asked
for
any
input.
There
was
no
direct
outreach,
for
instance,
I'm
a
member
of
east
end
valley,
neighborhood
association,
and
they
are
concerned.
G
G
There
is
extreme
concern-
and
rightly
so,
with
the
past
history
of
redlining,
that
our
original
families
experienced
and
current
families
live
without
knowledge.
Speculators
knock
on
our
doors,
hound
us
on
the
phone
to
sell
our
property.
We
see
predator
buying
and
selling,
and
we
destined
valley
are
trying
to
reach
out
to
our
older
population,
devises
the
true
value
of
their
homes.
What
does
this
have
to
do
with
open
space
reduction
trust?
G
The
preservation
society
stepped
in
for
eastern
valley
and
purchased
cappadocia
church
in
the
house
next
door,
as
developers
are
wanting
to
tear
down
the
church
and
the
house,
and
also
purchase
the
two
empty
lots
in
between
and
build
town
homes
or
condos
that
no
one
in
our
neighborhood
or
most
of
the
other
neighborhoods
could
afford
to
move
into
so
with
the
preservation
society's
help.
They
bought
cappadocia
in
the
house
and
with
a
whole
lot
of
communities.
G
G
Why
do
I
bring
up
this
example
because
in
the
city
council,
work
session,
handout?
There's
a
bullet
point
saying
severe
housing
supply
shortage
shortage
as
one
of
the
reasons
to
decrease
the
amount
of
open
space?
Another
bullet
point
states,
alleviating
supply
constraints
would
have
significant
impact
on
the
racial
wealth
gap.
G
Now
we
all
know
that
we
cannot
build
our
way
out
of
the
housing
shortage
to
supply
housing
to
our
citizens,
of
families
that
established
nashville
and
that
live
and
work
in
nashville
requires
housing
that
is
commensurate
with
our
income.
I've
been
in
construction,
trade.
All
my
career
and
the
cost
of
construction
never
goes
down
and
never
will
and
to
assume
that
building
condos
town
homes
are
homes
that
the
average
cost
is
350
000
and
up
will
help
alleviate.
The
racial
wealth
gap
is
short-sighted.
G
We
talk
about
the
missing
middle,
also
stated
in
the
work
session
handout.
In
my
neighborhood,
the
missing
middle
are
all
the
short-term
rentals
that
are
single-family
whole
house
illegal,
rentals
that
the
city
of
asheville
cannot
control,
because
we
lack
the
zoning
enforcement
personnel
to
get
these
homes,
houses
rented
to
families
or
sold
to
families.
G
I
realize
that
we
cannot
mandate,
but
we
can
certainly
require
area
medium
income
ami
to
be
realistic
to
the
neighborhood
that
the
new
units
will
reside
60
to
40
percent,
a
percentage
of
housing
vouchers.
Perhaps
I
sit
on
the
technical
review
committee
and
I've
seen
very
few
developers
opt
for
any
area,
medium
income
reductions
unless
they
are
exceeding
their
density
requirements
or
opting
for
a
land
use
incentive
grant,
and
then
the
standard
ask
for
ami
is
80.
G
How
does
that
alleviate
the
racial
wealth
gap?
Last
week
I
attended
the
south
side
united
neighborhood
association
meeting,
there's
so
much
mistrust
on
what
the
city
plans
to
do
regarding
housing.
Has
the
city
asked
them?
How
they'd
like
to
see
their
neighborhood
in
the
future
plans
on
a
page
and
vision
plans
are
not
binding
and
the
comp
plan
is
just
an
ideal.
I
heard
at
the
meeting
with
people
want.
G
G
I
do
not
do
social
media,
but
I
received
a
lot
of
questions
regarding
an
example
project
that
made
its
way
through
social
media
as
it
is
used
as
an
example
project
in
the
council
open
space
works
session.
It
is
the
project
between
chestnut
monroe
120
units
with
5200
square
foot
footprint
and
currently
open
space
stated
at
77
percent.
G
Mr
de
jong
and
myself
sent
an
email
to
mr
o'clocheny
planning
an
urban
development
asking
for
an
explanation,
and
he
stated
that
this
was
meant
to
demonstrate
that
the
current
open
space
is
very
high,
but
he
also
stated
that
they
are
not
aware
of
any
project
moving
forward
with
this
percentage.
This
project
was
built
before
the
current
open
space
and
does
not
reflect
parking
requirements.
G
Her
complaint
was:
do
they
have
to
make
it
so
big,
and
can
we
save
the
tree
to
make
things
easier
for
the
city
and
for
developers
we
tend
to
make
ordinances?
One
size
fits
all.
We
need
to
seriously
think
about
our
neighborhoods.
As
once
this
organism
ordinance
is
implemented.
It
is
almost
impossible
to
turn
back
true.
Affordable
housing
is
what
we
need,
not
more
high-end,
speculative
building,
crammed
together
without
proper
buffering
or
space.
G
I
would
like
to
touch
on
the
open
space
reduction
in
the
tree.
Canopy
protection
ordinance.
This
ordinance
has
gone
a
long
way
into
preserving
older,
established
trees,
but
we
do
not
have
the
statistics
yet
as
to
what
total
percentage
of
trees
and
green
infrastructure
we
are
losing
as
opposed
to
what
we
are
saving
reduced,
open
space
should
reduce
green
infrastructure,
plain
and
simple
sitting
on
the
technical
review
committee.
A
common
conditional
zoning
request
is
to
reduce
property
line
buffer
widths
or
ask
for
removal
of
buffers
altogether
and
with
the
already
reduced
space.
G
This
is
an
excellent
incentive,
but
to
add
hardscape,
which
will
occur
with
the
reduction
of
open
space
means
more
runoff,
green
infrastructure
such
as
trees
and
shrubs
and
soil
did
the
best
in
the
filtering
of
storm
water.
This
is
scientifically
known,
neighborhood
character
is
at
stake.
Climate
change
is
a
reality.
New
housing
in
asheville
has
not
been
for
the
people
that
live
here.
G
A
You,
the
next
person,
signed
up
to
speak.
T
Mayer,
city
manager
and
council-
thank
you
for
letting
me
speak
this
evening
on
the
open,
open
space.
I
am
a
the
vice
chair
of
the
affordable
housing
advisory
council
board.
I
also
work
in
the
construction
industry
for
affordable
housing
and
I
spent
eight
to
ten
months
on
the
open
space
committee
three
to
five
hours
every
month,
every
other
every
two
weeks
and
it
was
it
was
a
challenge.
It
was
very
interesting.
T
I
want
to
talk
to
you
about
density,
I'm
coming
at
this
from
a
very
practical
standpoint,
because
I'm
in
the
construction,
industry,
density
and
efficiency
is
what
you
have
to
have
today
to
make
the
numbers
work.
It
doesn't
matter
the
developers
are
not
out
to
rob
everybody.
Construction
companies
are
not
out
to
rob
everybody
and
we're
there
to
do
something
good
for
the
community.
T
When
you're
looking
at
building
in
asheville
or
western
north
carolina,
you
have
rock
and
soil
issues,
there's
so
little
space
that
is
actually
good
to
be
able
to
build
on.
You
have
to
have
flexibility,
I
understand
having
open
space
and
I'm
not
saying
that
it
should
not
be
considered
very
valuable,
but
the
ability
to
be
flexible
to
have
less
so
we
can
get
more
density.
That's
the
way
we're
going
to
solve
our
affordable
housing
problem.
Our
housing
problem
in
general
is
that
we
need
density,
and
I
can
give
you
some
examples,
such
as
319
biltmore.
T
We
need
density
there.
That
is,
I
I
look
at
what
happened
at
lee
walker
heights,
maple
crest,
that's
212
units.
We
need
to
be
able
to
have
400
units
right
next
to
it.
There
are
other
places
that
we
should
be
able
to
get
400
apartment
units
for
affordable
housing,
and
we
can
use
all
of
our
luigi
guidelines
to
do
that,
but
we
have
to
have
the
flexibility
to
with
the
architects
to
be
able
to
make
this
work.
T
I
hope
that
you
understand
that
I'm
coming
from
it
from
a
cost
perspective,
with
the
cost
increases
that
everyone
is
ex
having
to
accept
today
from
the
amount
of
material
cost
escalation.
The
cost
of
land
here
in
asheville
and
western
north
carolina
is
astronomical.
T
Other
places
like
winston-salem
greensboro,
durham
raleigh,
they
are
not
facing,
they
don't
have
the
same
issues
that
we
do
in
trying
to
put
up
affordable
housing.
They're
going
for
it
durham
is
an
excellent
benchmark
for
us
to
look
at
so
that
we
can
see
how
they're
addressing
affordable,
housing
and
density
and
not
having
the
same
issues
that
we
are
today.
U
When
we
heard
about
the
proposed
for
open
space
amendment,
we
talked
about
it
among
ourselves
and
sort
of
looked
at
what
they.
What
the
amendment
was
saying.
We
realized
that
this
would
cause
high
density
in
our
neighborhood,
which
is
a
factor
I
guess
in
some
of
the
other
neighborhoods.
Also
we
talked
about
the
design
of
what
would
the
design
be?
Would
it
be
tall
or
would
it
the
houses
be
shorter,
or
what
would
the
structure
be?
What
would
the
setbacks
be?
U
So
this
is
all
concerning
to
our
to
the
our
neighborhood
and
the
people
in
our
neighborhood.
Is
it
environmental
friendly?
Do
you
have
green
spaces?
You
know
we
are
very
happy
about
our
shallow
garden.
If
you
haven't
seen
it,
we
invite
you
to
come
out
on
hampton
street
and
look
at
our
shallow
garden
and
our
legacy.
Art
trail
where
we
have
green
spaces,
but
one
of
the
things
in
looking
at
the
proposed
open
space
amendment.
U
U
Okay,
I'm
sorry
about
the
color,
because
my
printer
was
not
working
too
well,
as
you
see
that
one,
that's
a
house
on
booker
street,
and
then
you
see
them
trying
to
do
another
house,
then
this
is
where
they
built
the
other
house
and
that's
our
church
rocky
missionary
baptist
church
that
they
put
the
back
of
it
there.
So
the.
F
U
U
N
Good
evening
mayor
vice
mayor
council,
hello,
my
name
is
chris
joyell
and
I'm
the
director
of
the
asheville
design
center
and
the
healthy
communities
program
at
mountain.
True,
on
behalf
of
mountain
true,
I'm
speaking
in
support
of
the
city
of
asheville's
amendments
to
the
open
space
ordinance
as
an
environmental
advocacy
organization.
N
My
country
recognizes
the
undeniable
connection
between
housing
and
the
integrity
of
our
natural
environment.
Our
community
currently
faces
two
mounting
crises,
affordable
housing
and
climate
change,
and
these
two
issues
must
be
addressed
in
concert.
We
can
do
this
by
providing
a
wider
range
of
housing
options
within
our
city,
while
not
contributing
to
the
sprawling
development
patterns
that
clear
forested
land,
feed
gridlock
and
increase.
N
We
need
to
direct
that
development
to
the
places
that
are
most
well
equipped
to
absorb
new
residents
places
like
asheville,
the
development
of
modest
sized
compactly
built
energy.
Efficient
housing
within
walking
distance
of
jobs
and
services
is
one
of
the
best
antidotes
to
climate
change.
The
open
space
amendments
get
us
close
closer
to
this
goal.
Five
years
ago,
council
adopted
middle
housing
policies
to
address
our
housing
crisis,
but
missing
middle
development
continues
to
hit
roadblocks.
N
N
While
we
have
serious
concerns
about
the
city's
urban
tree
canopy,
we
are
confident
that
the
asheville
city
council
can
use
the
existing
tree
ordinance
to
protect
our
city's
trees.
These
two
ordinances
can
work
together
too,
by
consolidating
open
space
while
protecting
existing
trees
within
we
can
maximize
our
ability
to
protect
our
urban
canopy.
N
A
You,
the
next
person
signed
up
to
speak,
is
core
jack.
V
V
I
have
been
watching
this
council
work
for
a
long
time
and
been
involved
in
lobbying,
trying
going
door
to
door
trying
to
get
people
elected
trying
to
get
represented
as
a
resident.
More.
V
All
right,
let
me
let
me
back
that
up
and
say
there
might
be
a
way
of
looking
at
this
gig
for
y'all
as
city
council
members
as
like.
Well,
I
came
here
with
a
certain
skill
set
like
a
lot
of
y'all
might
have
like
skill
sets
in
realty,
and
you
know
development
and
stuff,
but
really
what
we
need
for
city
council
representing
this
town
is
somebody
represent
the
rep,
the
the
residents,
the
working
folk
people
who
got
to
pay
rent
people
who
love
this
place
and
are
from
north
carolina.
V
You
know
and
not
like
I
hear
development
community
thrown
around
like
a
turn
as
a
term
like
that's,
that's
some
underrepresented,
marginalized
group.
That
needs
to
be
heard
the
same
way
as,
like
other.
You
know,
groups
of
residents,
but
other
groups
of
residents,
don't
try
to
like
squeeze
every
dollar
they
can
out
of
the
resources
of
our
community.
You
know
like
this
development
community
is
getting
catered
to
as
if
they
are
like
an
equal
voice,
really
not
an
equal
voice,
a
much
more
important
voice
than
the
residents
of
this
area
and
well.
V
I
want
y'all
to
look
at
this
job
as
an
opportunity
to
be
stewards
of
a
completely
unique
place,
a
beautiful
landscape,
but
incredibly
valuable
resources.
The
the
water
that's
produced
in
this
part
of
the
mountains
is
possibly
the
most
valuable
thing
in
future
years
that
there
will
will
exist
in
this
area.
You
know
this
landscape
needs
to
be
protected.
V
The
idea
that
the
way
people
throw
around
like
oh,
but
we
need
affordable
housing.
We
don't
need
more,
affordable
housing
for
wealthy
white
people
from
florida
and
new
york
and
california
to
keep
coming
in
and
taking
over
the
place
until
you
can't
recognize
it
and
there's
hardly
anybody
who's
from
here
around
anymore,
because
everybody's
been
priced
out.
V
A
The
next
person
signed
up
to
speak
is
parented
john,
and
we
have
a
number
of
people
that
are
seeding
their
time
carol
carter
here,
thank
you
and
alan
excavats.
Thank
you
and
karen
mcneill.
W
Good
evening
my
name
is
young,
and
I
am
not
here
to
speak
on
behalf
of
the
urban
forestry
commission
or
the
center
for
biological
diversity.
I'm
just
here
to
speak
on
my
own
behalf
as
a
12-year
resident
of
asheville
and
as
an
activist
with
a
tremendous
amount
of
experience
on
this
particular
topic,
and
I'm
here
to
ask
you
to
vote
no
on
the
open
space
amendment
tonight
and
the
first
point
I
would
like
to
make
about
the
open
space
amendment
is
that
it
is
a
deregulatory
initiative.
W
That's
aimed
at
removing
the
open
space
protections
we
currently
have
and
opens.
Opposition
to
this
amendment
does
not
create
barriers
to
new
housing
construction
and
the
reason
we
know
that
is
because,
under
the
current
open
space
requirements
of
the
city
of
asheville,
as
you
can
see
here,
asheville
is
building
the
most
homes
is
among
the
cities.
Building
the
most
homes
in
america,
also
by
the
way
asheville
buncombe
county
and
the
nation,
are
now
entering
a
housing
recession.
W
Can
I
get
20
more
seconds
please
if
current
ordinances
are
not
a
barrier
to
new
housing,
then
what
is
the
open
space
amendment
for?
Is
it
for
increasing
affordability
of
housing,
improving
stormwater
runoff
in
the
city
of
asheville
fighting
sprawl?
Let's
look
at
each
of
these
rationales.
In
turn,
the
open
space
amendment
would
not
improve
housing.
Affordability
in
asheville
on
balance.
First
of
all,
the
quote-unquote
affordable,
housing
incentive
is
optional.
W
We
don't
know
that
any
developers
will
actually
take
it,
but
if
any
developers
do
take
the
incentive,
it
would
not
produce
any
housing
which
is
in
fact
affordable
to
the
working
class
teachers,
nurses,
servers,
artists,
bartenders,
firemen
and
police
who
keep
this
town
running
every
day.
W
Thirdly,
any
quote-unquote,
affordable
housing
that
would
be
produced
as
a
result
of
this
incentive
would
be
temporary.
So
this
is
not
a
long-term
fix
for
affordability
in
the
city
of
asheville
and
perhaps,
most
importantly,
accelerated
development
resulting
from
the
open
space
amendment,
which
is
what,
by
design
this
would
deregulate.
W
Secondly,
if
it's
not
about
affordability,
is
it
about
improving
stormwater
runoff
again,
this
is
the
stormwater
mitigation.
Incentive
is
simply
an
incentive.
It's
optional.
We
don't
know
that
any
developers
will
actually
take
it,
but
what
we
do
know
is
that,
on
balance,
accelerating
status
quo,
development
and
gentrification
in
asheville
will
accelerate
the
trend
of
urban
deforestation,
resulting
in
less
trees
more
pavement,
and
that
is
the
recipe
for
exacerbating
flooding
in
the
city
of
asheville,
which,
by
the
way,
is
the
number
one
threat
to
the
city
of
asheville
from
climate
change.
W
According
to
climate
models,
an
open
space
amendment
is
showing
up
just
in
time
to
make
that
even
worse,
even
faster.
So
what
about
preventing
sprawl
outside
of
asheville?
This
is
another
common
popular
refrain
about
the
amendment.
First
of
all,
asheville
is
powerless
to
regulate
development
outside
of
the
city
of
asheville
in
the
county.
So
obviously
the
amendment
will
do
nothing
to
limit
development
in
buncombe
county,
but
maybe,
more
importantly,
the
city
and
county
are
both
being
swarmed
by
developers
eager
to
sell
expensive
housing
to
the
rich.
W
So
if
it's
not
about
affordability,
preventing
flooding
or
or
fighting
sprawl,
what,
then,
is
the
open
space
amendment
for
it's,
a
deregulatory
gift
basket
of
wish
list
items
for
developers
dressed
up?
In
pretty
words,
I've
already
spoken
about
those
pretty
words
and
how
false
they
are
tonight.
But
what's
in
the
gift
basket,
the
first
thing
in
the
gift
basket
is
cut
general
deregulation
of
open
space
requirements
across
the
board
for
most
big
developments
in
the
city.
This
isn't
just
about
deregulating,
affordable
housing.
W
This
is
about
deregulating
development
and,
as
you
can
see,
these
cuts
are
quite
significant,
they're
quite
extreme
to
the
baseline,
open
space
requirements,
but
that
wasn't
enough
for
the
authors
of
the
open
space
amendment.
They
wanted
to
provide
loopholes
too
for
allowing
developers
to
dodge
even
these
meager
new
reduced,
open
space
requirements
and
the
so,
for
example,
they
can
get
eight
and
eighty
percent
cut
in
exchange
for
quote-unquote,
affordable
housing,
that's
not
affordable,
as
we
discussed
another
80
cut
for
complying
with
mandatory
stormwater
requirements.
W
W
There's
also
a
10
cut
for
pedestrian
accessible
seating.
I
don't
know
why
we're
talking
about
trading
away
valuable,
open
space,
which
even
we
heard
the
developer
representative
speak
tonight
about
how
developers
recognize
the
value
of
open
space.
I
don't
know
why
we're
trading
that
away
for
pedestrian
seating
that
should
be
mandatory
for
bigger
residential
commercial
industrial
developments,
so
in
total
they
can
get
a
90
reduction
by
combining
these
loopholes
and
that
wasn't
enough.
W
They
can
count
half
of
their
building
setbacks
as
open
space,
eliminating
half
of
their
obligations.
They
can
eliminate
80
percent
of
their
open
space
requirements
under
the
new
baseline
by
complying
with
mandatory
stormwater
provisions
at
712
286..
W
This
is
just
a
naked
giveaway
to
developers
where
the
public
pays.
The
price
and
the
developers
reap
all
the
benefits
and
that's
no
good.
It's
a
rip-off
for
local
residents
and
as
a
final
slap
in
the
face,
private
balconies
are
allowed
to
count
as
open
space,
ensuring
that
private
developers
and
private
parties
get
all
the
benefits
of
open
space
and
the
public
is
robbed
of
any
opportunity
to
get
those
benefits.
You
can't
plant
a
tree
in
a
concrete
balcony
and
fourth
fee
in
lieu
provisions.
W
Also,
we
heard
about
consensus,
strict
consensus
tonight
over
the
object.
The
repeated
objections
of
multiple
open
space
task
force,
members
planning
and
urban
development
staff
refused
to
address
how?
Why
and
when
open
space
being
loot,
funds
may
be
used
to
purchase
new
city
park
lands
and
offset
losses
of
open
space,
thus
ensuring
that
the
city
will
lose
the
race
to
purchase
desirable
new
park
lands
to
developers
who
will
gobble
it
up
while
the
city
voluntarily
and
knowingly
sits
on
its
hands?
W
F
W
W
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
F
Name
is
bear
bellick.
X
I
didn't
know
I
was
coming
here
to
talk
about
receiving
a
gift
gift
basket,
but
you
know
sometimes
sometimes
we
talk
about
a
lot.
We've
talked
about
a
lot
of
stuff
over
the
years.
You
know
about
affordable
housing
and
about
building,
and
we
press
pause
a
lot.
We
stall
a
lot,
and
sometimes
we
need
to
look
at
good
enough
and
we
need
to
look
at
perfection
and
we
need
to
accept
good
enough
for
the
time
we
can
change
things.
X
X
Four
houses
for
people
that
are
in
this
room
right
now
so
and
and
I'm
I
focus
on
a
missing
middle
developer.
I
focus
on
built
on
figuring
out
how
to
build
dents
to
allow
more
homes
to
fit
on
smaller
pieces
of
parcels,
and
I
try
to
do
it
realistically.
I've
actually
never
built
anything
tighter
than
a
duplex,
so
I
built
a
lot
of
standalone
homes
on
small
footprint,
lots
and
then
duplexes,
but
so
I'm
a
missing
metal
developer.
X
X
X
I
could.
I
went
to
45
where
I
could
have
gone.
I
did
not
want
to
come
to
city
council,
I
knew
if
I
went
over
49,
I
would
have
had
to
do
that.
So
I
stuck
it.
We
designed
a
project
stayed
at
45
and
the
reason
here.
The
reason
I
did
45
instead
of
49
is
because
of
my
open
space
requirements.
X
So,
let's
look
at
this.
This
site
was
80
774
square
feet.
The
difference
we're
talking
about
here
is
five
percent
open
space.
Five
percent
open
space
on
my
project
was
4038
square
feet.
I
would
have
gotten
four
more
units
on
my
development,
former
units
of
missing
middle
housing
that
that
again
that
have
created
housing
with
no
city,
subsidy,
no
funding,
we've
got
a
mix
of
home
and
it's
a
true
mixed
income
community.
It's
what
we
want.
There's
homeowners,
there's
rentals
both
at
market
rate
and
at
least
the
for
accepting
vouchers.
M
M
M
The
proposed
standard
proposes
a
minimum
width
of
10
feet,
so
that's
inherently
just
a
more
flexible
spatial
proposition
in
terms
of
design
flexibility
again.
The
current
standard,
even
if
you're,
building
between
8
and
19
units,
requires
500
square
feet
of
open
space
per
residential
unit
or
15,
whichever
is
greater
500
square
feet,
could
be
a
studio
apartment
or
a
small
one.
Bedroom
apartment,
it's
about
this
corner
of
this
room.
M
Lastly,
I
want
to
speak
to
design
fairness
and
that's
both
to
the
individual
and
the
larger
community.
The
current
standards
do
not
allow
any
essentially
partial
or
whole
use
of
things
like
setbacks,
landscape
uppers
or
aquatic
buffers.
These
can
require
significant
amounts
of
space,
particularly
on
small
urban
sites,
which
are
mostly
what's
left
within
our
city
limits.
M
F
M
This
is
not
you
know,
a
wholesale
elimination
of
the
existing
standards,
it's
a
modification
of
the
existing
standards
and
in
many
ways
it's
trying
to
right-size
and
make
proportional
the
requirements
for
sites
depending
on
their
size.
So
again,
thank
you
for
listening.
I
encourage
you
to
vote
in
favor
of
this.
K
Thank
you,
mayor
and
council.
I
am
sometimes
feel
like
I'm
at
a
line
dance
in
the
pitch
black,
because
there
are
things
that
happen
in
one
direction
and
then
it
veers
off
in
another
direction-
and
I
know
you
all
signed
a
carbon
free
by
2030,
which
everybody
got
national
attention
for
all
excited
about
it
and
the
one
thing
that
trees
do
is
it
sequesters
carbon,
and
one
thing
that
has
really
happened
in
the
last
five
years?
K
Is
900
acres
of
trees
have
been
demolished
in
our
downtown
if
this
gets
past,
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
more
heat
island
index
and
a
lot
fewer
trees?
That
is
just
an
inevitable
reality
and
I
think
when
it
comes
to
affordability,
as
parent
mentioned
and
in
studies
that
I
have
read
like
austin
texas
bend
oregon,
those
were
cities
that
used
to
be
like
asheville
was
maybe
five
years
ago,
is
changing
very
quickly
and
the
affordability
that
people
were
there.
Artists.
Like
me,
people
who
worked
in
the
city
they
aren't
living
in
the
city
anymore.
K
Those
cities
changed
so
much
and
so
drastically
that
they
can't
afford
to
live
there
anymore.
We
had
people
who
were
living
affordably
in
old
houses.
If
we
had
a
deconstruction
ordinance,
which
is
another
topic,
we
could
keep
the
people
in
the
houses
and
provide
infill
around
them
in
the
spirit
of
the
neighborhoods
keeping
and
honoring
the
tree
canopies.
That
are
there
because
tourists
have
said
to
me.
They
don't
want
to
come
here
anymore,
because
it
is
so
hot
downtown
and
there's
so
much
fewer
trees
and
trees
really
make
everybody
happier.
K
So
I
know
esther
you're
going
to
be
there
on
monday
night
to
fight
to
save
pisgah
forest.
The
trees
and
pisgah
forest
are
connected
to
our
urban
trees.
They
are
all
connected.
We
are
all
connected
and
the
more
we
realize
that
and
honor
that
and
find
solutions
that
are
actually
not
going
to
completely
destroy
the
rest
of
the
beauty
of
downtown
and
infill
it
so
that
we
become
austin
texas
in
the
next
five
years.
K
We
can
do
it
in
creative
ways,
and
I
just
want
to
encourage
that.
You
wait
on
this.
Having
approved
an
urban
forester,
let
the
urban
forester
give
it
a
year
and
let
the
urban
forester
assess
the
tree
canopy.
That
is
there
and
then
come
back
a
year
from
now
where
we
as
a
community,
can
be
involved
in
this,
because
the
affordable
housing
at
80
ami
is
not
affordable,
and
we
all
know
that,
so
that
is
not
going
to
change
the
more
people
who
move
here
and
buy
their
second
homes.
Third
homes.
K
Fourth
home
sixth
homes
makes
it
less
possible
for
these
things
to
happen,
and
I
just
urge
you
to
take
a
step
back
and
not
approve
this
now
wait
until
we
have
a
year
with
the
urban
forester
in
the
position
that
he's
in
and
then
we
can
look
at
how
well
we
can
accommodate
and
use
the
good
things
about
this
earth
about
this
open
space
amendment
and
combine
it
with
the
work
that
the
urban
forester
does.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
that
is
the
last
person
who
signed
up
to
speak
under
this
item.
You
know
we
heard
some
lengthy
presentations
and
some
information
that
I'm
wondering
if
staff
could
address
any
of
the
if
there
any
of
the
things
that
we
might
have
heard
just
to
get
some
make
sure
we're
all
operating
with
the
same
information.
I
think
this
is
a
really
confusing
ordinance.
We've
actually
done
a
full
work
session
on
it
and
it's
still
to
understand
the
interplay
between
all
the
different
parts
of
the
udo.
A
Miss
bain
showed
us
a
picture
that
looked
like
it
had
to
do
with
setback
requirements
really
more
than
anything.
So
I
think
just
I
just
would
helpful
be
helpful
to
me.
I
see
them
conferring
I'll
give.
C
Them
a
moment,
additionally,
I
opened
up
the
the
city
has
a
open
kind
of
map
portal
and
we
were
looking
here
at
some
of
the
neighborhoods
mentioned,
specifically
shiloh,
which
is
predominantly
single-family
zones,
so
maybe
not
even
as
applicable
right.
A
O
Yes,
I
want
to
remind
everybody
that
the
applicability
for
this
standard
is
eight
units
or
more
to
begin
with.
So
if
there
was
a
proposal,
it
would
have
to
be
either
a
subdivision
in
a
single
family
district,
because
we
don't
allow
multi-family,
so
you
can't
have
an
apartment,
building
with
eight
units
that
would
be
the
trigger,
so
apartment
buildings
are
not
permitted
in
single
family,
which
shiloh
is
mostly
that
so
is
their
property.
Big
enough
to
have
a
subdivision
of
eight
parcels
would
be.
O
F
O
A
And
I
think
we
are
seeing
a
lot
of
infill
in
west
asheville
and
then
shiloh,
where
you're,
seeing
a
single
family
home
placed
on
a
lot,
and
so
just
to
be.
A
B
And
then
ms
tovish
brought
up
you
use
the
word
mostly,
and
can
you
clarify
that.
F
B
Relative
to
it
would
mostly
be
private.
O
It
mostly
affects
private
development
right
because
the
standards
that
we
create
the
city
is
held
to
them
as
well,
and
the
city
has
its
own
property.
So
if
we
are
to
develop
property
and
create
affordable
housing,
we
are
required
to
abide
by
udo
and
we
would
be
required
to
provide
open
space,
and
so,
in
those
cases,
that's
city,
property
and
most
likely
it
would
be
more
accessible
and
it
might
might
still
be
relatively
limited
to
the
residence
of
a
development.
O
But
in
some
cases
they
may
be
more
open,
and
I
mentioned
in
the
beginning
the
greenway
example.
That's
that
would
be
specifically
a
public
part
of
a
project
that
would
be
public.
O
Like
that's
right,
this
does
not
apply
to
public
parks
right
if
we
choose
to
take
one
of
our
parks
and
develop
it.
A
O
That's
right,
including.
O
Wooded
areas
are
open
space,
and
so
a
project
could
include
open
space
and
choose
to
put
their
tree
preservation
in
the
open
space.
They
could
choose
to
make
it
somewhere
else
because
they
may
want,
through
the
design,
flexibility
to
have
a
sunny
spot
for
their
residents.
Who,
like
the
sun
I
want
to
highlight.
There
was
a
couple
of
conversation
mentions
about
the
tree.
Canopy
preservation
ordinance,
and
I
wanted
you
to
know
that
as
part
of
our
open
space
task
force,
they
recommended
that
we
update
the
landscaping
standards
to.
O
Landscaping
requirements
and
we
have
been
doing
that.
We
created
a
sub
working
group
for
landscaping
updates
that
is
actually
met
already
25
times
and
we're
preparing
in
time
to
bring
something
to
city
council.
That
is
very
exciting
and
I
believe,
will
have
more
implications
for
asheville
in
a
very
positive
way
than
we
can.
O
E
I
just
have
one
question:
could
you
maybe
I
noticed
that
the
two
two
major
concerns
that
people
had
are
basically
their
concern
about
the
tree
canopy
and
their
concern.
E
O
From
this
product
project,
so
I
I
guess
I
would
in
my
mind,
think
of
how
affordability
can
come
about
by
this
ordinance.
Update
is
one
of
two
ways
we
are
specifically
allowing
for
affordable
projects
to
not
require
as
much
open
space,
so
we're
just
trying
to
to
to
make
it
easier
to
build
affordability,
because
we
always
hear
this
concern
that
if
you
require
more
for
affordable
projects,
it
makes
them
less
affordable.
So
that's
one
and
the
second
one
is,
is
really
behind
this
theory
of
allowing
for
more
supply
helps
affordability
across
the
board.
O
You
know
being
part
of
this.
For
years,
I've
heard
the
debate,
and-
and
you
know
we
can
find
plenty
of
articles
stating
that
that's
not
true
and
there's
a
lot
of
research
showing
that
allowing
more
market
rate
housing
supply
for
supply
to
increase,
helps
to
allow
for
a
more
affordable
housing
at
the
middle
and
low
low
income
ranges.
O
J
I
just
wanted
to
note
that
we've
addressed
some
of
the
concerns
of
some
of
the
comments
around
historic
black
and
legacy
neighborhoods,
which
we
know
have
potential
for
multi-family
development,
and
we
also
know
the
vulnerability
index
scores
for
those
neighborhoods,
the
need
for
tree
canopy,
repair
and
restoration
and
the
importance
of
stormwater
mitigation.
So
I
just
wanted
to
name
that
I
hear
those
concerns
and
that
they
are
valid.
I
think
we
all
do.
O
And
if
I
can
just
respond,
councilman
rooney
to
that
specific
point,
I
guess
the
way
I'm
looking
at
this
and
I'm
not
infallible
so,
is
that
a
large
part
of
this
ordinance
is
looking
to
rebalance
what
we
have
found
to
be
a
significant
hurdle
for
infill
housing.
So
really,
what
this
is
doing
is
providing
more
opportunities
for
neighborhoods
to
develop
housing
and
more
housing
choices,
and
do
we
want
more
affordable,
more
opportunities
for
housing
and
more
opportunities
for
housing
choices
in
different
neighborhoods?
I
think
that's
really
the
question.
C
Mr
soprano,
do
you
know
I'm
sorry
kim?
Were
you
done?
Oh,
go
ahead
so
somewhat
so
much
of
this
tree.
Canopy
preservation
is
coming
from
this
study
that
the
young
nasa,
I
believe
they
might
have
been
interns.
Gis
students
had
done,
and
that
was
was
that
four
or
five
years
ago
now,
I'm
wondering.
Are
there
any
cued
updates?
Because
I
know
from
that
study
that
we
saw,
I
remember,
being
a
b
tech
and
learning
about
it
in
the
six
percent,
but
it
wasn't.
C
O
Good
question
I
I
should
have
mentioned
this
earlier.
We
are
actively
working
to
update
the
tree.
Canopy
preservation
ordinance
at
the
same
time
that
we
are
actively
working
with
this
landscaping
subcommittee
that
I
mentioned
to
you
to
update
the
landscaping
standards,
because
the
two
interact
and
I
think
we're
making
some
very
exciting
changes
and
those
are
forthcoming.
O
But
the
the
short
answer
is:
yes,
some
changes.
It's
been
a
couple
years:
we've
realized
staff
as
well
as
the
public
have
realized
that
we
need
to
make
changes.
We're
in
the
process
of
doing
that
and
open
space
does
not
conflict
with
that.
We
can
have
tree
canopy
in
open
spaces
or
we
can
have
them
in
other
places.
You
know
for
where,
where
developers
want
to
be
efficient
with
land,
it
would
make
sense
to
overlap
them.
F
O
Certainly,
thank
you
well,
first
of
all,
the
urban
forester
will
have
little
to
do
with
open
space
regulations.
So
you
know
everybody
can
provide
input,
but
they're
really
separate
issues.
O
Forester
has
more
clout
will
would
be
in
updating
the
tree,
canopy
preservation
or
landscape
standards.
O
I
posed
a
specific
question
to
our
landscaping
subcommittee,
whether
we
should
wait,
because
we
know
that
we're
going
to
be
hiring
someone
soon
and
they
said
no,
because
we
all
know
that
any
new
staff
will
take
six
months
to
a
year
to
get
going
to
understand
the
situation.
The
conditions
and
they're
not.
O
The
the
people
who
are
here
working
the
fighting,
the
good
fight
sort
of
so
to
speak.
So
that
was
their
perspective
and
so
we're
moving
this
forward
and
hoping
to
come
to
to
to
you
all
with
the
updates
the
tree,
canopy
preservation
and
landscape
standards
within
a
reasonable
time.
So.
A
This
is
we're
now
at
the
point.
I'm
sorry
can't
believe
this
we're
we're.
Finally,
at
the
point
of
where
we
would
vote
on
this
matter,
it's
been
a
long
time.
We've
had
had
this
show
up
on
our
proposed
agenda
many
times
to
have
it
moved
out.
So.
Y
The
motion
that
you
see
that's
been
provided
to
you
is
the
result
of
a
change
in
some
of
the
wording
in
the
proposed
ordinance
that
came
to
us
at
staff
level
from
some
of
the
comments
from
council.
Just
to
reiterate
what
vadilla
had
mentioned
earlier,
the
proposed
well,
the
original
language
tied
the
affordability
trigger
to
80
ami,
which
is
where
our
luigi
currently
sits.
The
request
from
certain
council
members
was
that,
if
luigi
changes,
then
this
would
be
out
of
sync
with
that,
so,
instead
of
simply
leaving
it
at
80.
S
Y
Therefore,
if
luige
moves
to
some
addition
to
new
ami,
this
will
move
as
well,
so
right
now,
it's
still
exactly
where
the
luige
program
is,
but
it
would
change
if
louise
changed.
So
that
is
the
change.
If
someone
would
like
to
make
a
motion,
including
that
right
now
they
can
as
the
original
motion,
but
because
that
language
was
not
included
in
the
original
materials
provided
and
publicly.
C
A
C
C
Happy
to
make
a
motion-
okay.
This
is
sage
on
motion
to
approve
the
proposed
wording,
amendments
to
chapter
seven
of
the
udo
and
find
that
the
proposed
amendments
are
reasonable
in
the
pub
are
in
the
public.
Interest
are
consistent
with
the
city's
comprehensive
plan
and
that
the
changes
one
improve
open
space
regulations
by
creating
more
usable,
open
spaces,
too
removes
conflicts
that
inhibit
a
greater
production
of
infill
housing.
Three
incentivize,
better
stormwater
management
for
larger
parcels
and
four
support.
Walkable
transit
supported
neighborhoods
by
encouraging
more
efficient
land
use
without
increasing
the
cost
of
development.
C
And
then
we
need
to
potentially
amend
with
this
language.
No.
A
C
Read
it
for
the
sake
of
those
listening,
so
it's
less
confusing
the
motion
to
amend
the
affordable
housing
language
in
section
7,
11,
4,
f,
1b,
to
read
as
follows:
the
project
is
predominantly
at
least
50
percent
residential
and
over
30
percent
of
units
meet
the
city's
affordable
housing
standard
of
being
affordable
to
those
at
or
below
the
percentage
of
area.
Median
income
specified
in
the
city's
land
use
incentive
grant
known
as
luigi
policy
with
half
of
the
affordable
units,
accepting
rental
assistance
and
housing
choice
vouchers.
C
C
I
just
want
to
say
I
do
appreciate
that
this
talk
of
the
urban
forester
and
you
know
we
did
budget
to
fire
to
hire
this
person.
So
maybe
we
can
just
as
we
always
do
check
back
in
with
their
input,
but
I
think
those
were
that's
a
valid
point.
So.
A
A
That
concludes
our
public
hearing
agenda.
We
have
one
item
of
new
business
and
then
we
have
public
comment.
Do
you
all
want
a
quick
break
or
no.
A
Folks,
as
you
exit
we're
going
to
keep
going
so
all
right,
we
have
our
assistant
city
manager,
rachel
wood
who's
here,
to
talk
to
us
about
a
resolution
approving
the
recommendations
of
allocations
of
strategic
partnership,
pilot
program
funding
and
authorizing
the
city
manager
to
execute
the
grant
agreements.
Z
Good
evening,
mayor
and
city
council
and
thank
you
so
as
the
mayor
stated
this
evening,
we're
going
to
be
discussing
the
recommendations
from
the
housing
and
community
development
committee
to
fund
a
pilot
program
using
strategic
partnership
funds.
So
between
june
22nd
and
july
12th,
the
city
opened
applications
for
a
pilot
grant
program
that
specifically
addressed
the
opportunity
gap
for
low
to
moderate
income,
school-aged
youth
with
a
simplified
application
process
and
reporting
requirements.
F
Z
We've
heard
feedback
from
previous
iterations
of
the
strategic
partnership
program
that
there
were
some
administrative
barriers
to
agencies,
so
we
had
a
much
simpler
application
form
as
a
part
of
this
process
and
we'll
be
working
with
agencies
on
an
individual
basis
to
simplify
reporting
requirements,
since
no
federal
funding
is
involved.
So,
as
a
quick
reminder,
strategic
partnership
funds
are
general
fund
dollars
that
are
set
aside
each
year.
Z
We
also
increased
the
award
minimum
to
twenty
thousand
dollars
per
program
and
the
intent
of
that
really
was
to
maximize
the
community
benefit
of
the
programming,
since
the
intent
is
to
address
the
opportunity
gap.
So,
as
I
mentioned,
strategic
partnership
dollars
are
general
fund
dollars.
We
currently
have
711
000
available
because
there
has
been
a
pause
over
the
last
two
years,
as
staff
has
been
working
on
retooling
this
program.
Z
So
the
proposal
that
was
approved
by
the
housing
and
community
development
committee
on
the
19th
recommends
funding
roughly
half
of
that
available
fund
balance
for
the
pilot
program,
leaving
about
three
hundred
and
thirty
five
thousand
dollars
available
for
the
longer
term.
Overhaul
of
the
program
itself
really
quick
overview
of
the
timeline
on
june
13th
agencies
were
notified
that
the
application
would
be
coming
and
we
used
several
different
distribution
lists
just
to
ensure
that
we
had
as
wide
of
a
reach
in
the
community
as
possible.
Z
On
june
21st,
I
made
a
presentation
to
the
housing
and
community
development
committee
regarding
our
proposal
for
the
pilot
grant
program
using
the
feedback
we
received
at
that
meeting.
The
application
was
advertised
on
june
22nd
on
june
27th.
We
had
a
question
and
answer
session
with
potential
applicant
agencies
and
then
july
12
was
the
application
deadline
and
again
we
were
pleased
to
receive
31
different
applications
and
the
agencies
did
a
really
thorough
job
in
the
submittals
that
they
provided
on
july
14th.
Z
We
heard
presentations
from
all
31
agencies
and
the
evaluation
committee,
which
consisted
of
six
different
members.
One
representative
from
asheville
city,
schools
and
five
city
staff
members
made
our
recommendations,
which
were
then
presented
to
the
housing
and
community
development
committee
on
july
19th,
and
then
this
evening,
we're
asking
city
council
to
consider
those
recommendations
that
were
approved
by
hcd,
so
that
we
can
then
begin
negotiations
and
work
on
the
contract
awards
with
the
individual
agencies
receiving
funding.
Z
So
just
to
reiterate,
we
did
receive
31
applications.
Those
applications
were
reviewed
based
on
each
program's,
demonstrated
ability
to
address
the
opportunity
gap
for
school-aged
youth,
their
ability
to
track
and
measure
results,
the
available
resources
and
capacity
to
carry
out
the
project
and
a
workable
budget
to
support
the
program.
So
I'll
really
briefly
walk
through
those
nine
agencies
that
are
being
recommended
for
funding,
and
this
again
is
the
recommendation
that
was
approved
by
the
housing
and
community
development
committee.
Z
At
their
july,
19th
meeting
aspire,
youth
and
family
was
recommended
to
receive
funding
at
a
level
of
twenty
thousand
dollars
for
their
vocational
skills
program.
Umojo
was
recommended
at
twenty
thousand
dollars
for
their
hope.
For
the
future
program.
The
christine
avery
learning
center
was
recommended
for
funding
at
twenty
five
thousand
dollars
for
their
village
program.
Z
One
youth
at
a
time
was
recommended
for
thirty
five
thousand
dollars
in
spf
funding.
Literacy
together
was
recommended
for
thirty
six
thousand
dollars
for
their
igniting.
Superheroes
readers
program,
ytl's
training
program,
was
recommended
at
fifty
thousand
dollars.
Five
hundred
serve
to
lead
was
recommended
at
and
seventy
dollars
read
to
succeed.
Z
Asheville
buncombe
was
recommended
at
56
125
for
their
community
literacy
support
program
at
eddington
and
western
carolina
rescue
mission,
who
is
serving
as
the
fiscal
agent
is
being
recommended
at
80
000
for
the
chosen
positive
opportunities
development
success
program,
often
known
as
pods,
so
that
total
that
I
just
read
out,
totals
up
to
375
500
dollars
of
the
available
seven
hundred
and
eleven
thousand
dollars
that
we
have
in
strategic
partnership
funds.
Z
Z
Z
That
program
will
be
further
developed
and
we'll
make
regular
status
reports
to
the
housing
and
community
development
committee.
This
winter
we're
hoping
to
have
formal
program
recommendations
implemented
with
an
early
spring
advertisement
of
that
strategic
partnership
program
and
then
we're
hopeful
that
by
april
we
will
actually
be
able
to
announce
the
award
of
those
agencies.
So
anyone
not
selected
for
funding
today
would
have
an
opportunity
in
just
a
few
months,
to
apply
again
once
we've
completed
that
longer
term,
more
comprehensive
overhaul
to
the
strategic
strategic
partnership
program.
Z
So
just
a
quick
reminder
that
the
scope
was
narrowed
to
focus
on
school-aged
youth
and
address
the
opportunity
gap,
we
did
receive
31
applications.
We
heard
presentations
from
those
applicant
agencies
on
july
14th.
The
presentations
were
made
to
both
the
evaluation
committee,
as
well
as
the
housing
and
community
development
committee
july
19th.
Z
The
funding
recommendations
that
I
previously
went
through
were
unanimously
approved
by
the
housing
and
community
development
committee
to
fund
nine
agencies
at
a
total
of
three
hundred
and
seventy
five
thousand
five
hundred
dollars.
This
evening,
the
city
council
is
being
asked
to
review
and
consider
approval
of
hcd's
recommendations
and
then
we'll
take
feedback
and
lessons
learned
from
this
process
to
inform
that
longer
term.
Overhaul
of
the
strategic
partnership
program,
and
with
that
I
will
answer
any
questions
that
you
might
have.
Z
Have
a
number
I
can
read
for
you,
I
did
have
it
totaled
and
I
don't
I
have
it
on
a
spreadsheet,
but
I
don't
have
it
handy.
So
I
know
for
the
asheville
buncombe
program
read
to
succeed.
That's
about!
Oh,
I
don't.
I
can
get
that
number
for
you.
S
S
While
you
look
for
that,
I
would
like
to
take
a
moment
to
thank
staff
for
the
incredibly
hard
and
fast
work
that
was
done,
and
I'd
also
love
to
thank
the
vice
mayor
for
getting
the
ball
rolling.
I
will
say
I,
as
someone
grew
up
here,
I'm
especially
proud,
because
I
in
our
last
meeting,
I
believe
that
budget
that
we
passed
was
the
most
racially
equitable
budget
in
asheville
history
and
to
follow
up
the
very
next
meeting
with
this
type
of
targeted
work
is
very
pleasing
to
me.
A
P
A
A
AA
G
AA
My
family
goes
back
six
generations
now
my
grandmother
also
lived
and
worked
in
asheville.
According
to
my
family,
she
was
affiliated
with
the
biltmore
estate
and
dr
grove
of
the
grove
park
inn
my
father's
closest
associate
was
norman
vilsack
farnheim,
an
internationally
renowned,
pianist
and
old
enough
to
be
his
father.
My
father
stated
mr
norman's
wife's
family
owned
castles
in
france
which
they
visited
together.
Is
he
referring
to
the
biltmore
castle?
AA
Prior
to
18
years
old,
my
local
law
enforcement
told
me
I
was
in
danger
and
being
targeted
while
pregnant
with
my
firstborn.
We
were
assaulted
twice.
Turning
me
into
the
equivalent
of
a
surrogate
mother
that
adopted
son
became
a
lawyer
in
political
science
degree
working
in
the
nation's
capital
for
senator
edward
kennedy.
There
have
been
numerous
documented
irregularities
regarding
me
and
my
family,
ranging
from
misinformation,
acts
of
intimidation,
assault
and
unlawful
arrest.
AA
The
week
of
october
last
week
of
october
2015,
I
put
on
my
calendar
to
research
my
family
records
at
the
local
courthouse
and
genealogical
society.
The
end
result
was:
I
suffered
a
home
invasion
that
last
week
by
two
men
in
law
enforcement
uniforms,
attempts
to
file
criminal
and
civil
charges
were
ignored,
most
likely
because
the
assailants
were
employed
by
other
special
interest
groups
such
as
land
developers.
I
could
give
other
very
serious
examples,
but
I
won't
waste
your
time.
AA
I'm
going
to
fast
forward
to
in
closing,
the
motivation
here
seems
to
be
my
family
is
classified
under
national
security.
I
filed
the
chain
of
command
and
then
asked
for
the
politicians
to
sit
down
with
me
and
the
fbi
or
cia
officials
to
discuss
these
matters
and
have
gotten
nowhere.
My
last
request
was
to
separate
out
my
grandmothers
and
father's
generation
for
mine.
There
should
be
declassified
by
now.
Thank
you.
I
have
no
questions
I'll
be
taking
at
this
time.
You
can,
if
you
have
any
direct
them
to
the
head
of
my
family
household.
Thank.
A
You
next
person
signed
up
to
speak,
is
tanner,
will
hoyt.
AB
So
thank
you
again
for
your
time
this
evening
my
name
is
tanner
wilhoyt
and
I've
been
living
in
the
asheville
area
for
about
10
years
now,
I'm
here
representing
the
numerous
pickleball
players
that
are
in
need
of
public
dedicated
courts
in
and
around
asheville,
and
I
know
what
you're
thinking.
What
is
this
young
athletic
guy
doing
here
to
talk
about
pickleball?
Well,.
F
AB
I
am
so
grateful
to
the
asheville
pickleball
community,
which
helped
me
grow,
develop
and
learn
the
sport.
It
is
a
beautiful
and
diverse
group
of
people.
They
are
extremely
welcoming
and
friendly.
The
asheville
pickleball
community
allows
people
from
various
backgrounds,
cultures,
race,
religions,
ages,
genders
social
status,
athletic
background
or
no
athletic
background.
AB
You
may
ask
yourself:
why
should
dedicated
pickleball
courts
be
one
of
your
top
priorities
with
all
the
other
incredibly
important
issues
and
opportunities
that
you're
currently
working
to
help
address,
I
believe,
is
because
of
this
sports
ability
to
bring
people
with
different
viewpoints
and
backgrounds
together.
That
is
what
asheville
and,
quite
frankly,
the
united
states
needs
more
of
people
coming
together
to
share
experiences
and
have
fun.
This
is
also
one
of
the
same
reasons
that
asheville
is
so
special.
We
all
love
this
city,
regardless
of
our
differences.
AB
I
implore
you
not
only
to
consider,
but
please
prioritize,
adding
dedicated
public
pickleball
facilities
in
asheville,
while
having
shared
lines
on
tennis,
courts
may
seem
like
a
win-win
and
can
actually
cause
issues
for
both
groups,
as
tennis
players
and
pickleball
players
try
to
find
corpse
space
to
play.
I
neglected
to
share
that.
I
also
played
college
tennis
at
montreal
college
and
I'm
a
huge
tennis
fan.
I
think
many
tennis
players
in
the
asheville
community
would
also
agree
that
having
a
separate
dedicated
space
just
for
pickleball
would
help
both
groups.
A
Since
we
last
met
pickleball
people,
the
tda
bill
passed,
and
so
now
there
is
more
more
room
tax
money
available
for
projects
that
cater
to
both
locals
and
visitors.
So
I
think
there's
some
opportunity
there.
That
needs
to
be
realized.
AC
Good
evening,
mayor
council,
members,
city
manager
and
staff,
it's
always
a
great
pleasure
to
be
here.
Thank
you.
So
much
and
again
it's
always
humbling
to
see
your
work.
Every
evening
we
come
so
good
news
about
pickleball.
We
are
very,
very
serious
in
moving
toward
becoming
a
non-profit.
It
is
not
finalized.
Yet,
but
when
you
talk
about
the
money,
the
tourist
money,
we
are
anxious
to
get
organized,
get
this
official
get
this
business
done
and
be
a
great
partner
with
you
and
some
other,
hopefully,
agencies
and
leaders
in
the
community.
AC
So
we're
very
excited-
and
I
think
I
wanted
to
just
personally
say
on
behalf
of
the
pickleball
community,
we
took
your
consultation
to
really
pursue
considering
being
formalized,
and
so
we
really
appreciate
that
and
I
think
it's
important
for
us
to
let
you
know
we
listened,
and
we
appreciate
your
advice.
So
thank
you
very
much.
I'm
also
here
tonight,
on
behalf
of
the
pickleball
community,
to
thank
the
wonderful
staff
for
the
city
of
the
recreation
department.
AC
Here
in
asheville
we
have
been
talking
about
having
a
pickleball
league
that
will
start,
hopefully
tomorrow,
if
we
don't
have
afternoon
thunderstorms
at
five
o'clock.
But
several
of
the
staff
have
been
a
partner
with
us
and
setting
up.
There
is
going
to
be
a
pickleball
league,
starting
tomorrow
on
wednesdays,
at
five
o'clock
at
oakley,
and
we
would
love
to
have
some
of
your
beautiful
faces
there
to
come
and
be
with
us,
but
also
the
recreation
department
offered
to
buy
and
they
did
buy
the
balls
and
the
nets
for
the
league.
AC
These
little
things
just
give
us
the
hopefulness
of
a
of
a
future
of
what
the
previous
gentleman
talked
about
of
the
pickleball
community.
The
other
thing
that
we
had
spoke
about
with
you
and
been
working
with
the
recreation
department
here
in
the
city
is
some
signs
about
rules
about
just
really
people
learning
to
be
cooperative
and
in
partnership
on
these
sports
courts.
I
believe,
is
how
the
signs
say.
The
signs
are
up-
and
I
am
just
so
grateful
the
recreational
staff.
AC
A
little
group
of
us
meet
on
a
very
regular
basis
to
move
this
vision
forward
and
two
of
your
staff
came.
They
vetted
the
rules
with
us.
They
asked
for
our
information
and
our
feedback.
We
are
just
one
group
that
plays
on
those
courts,
but
we
were
so
grateful
and
we
really
feel
a
real
kindred
partnership
with
the
staff
and
this
from
the
recreation
department.
So
we
are
very,
very
excited,
so
just
a
couple
of
other
things
in
regard
to
pickleball,
because
this
is
like
you
know
our
little
world
that
we
talk
about.
AC
We've
had
two
business
owners
that
have
taken
a
great
interest
in
pickleball
based
on
our
league
and
when
the
league
ends
later
on
in
august,
rabbit
rabbit
who's
gotten
to
be
quite
a
name
here
in
asheville
is
going
to
sort
of
host
our
party
for
us
and
our
celebration
and
we're
going
to
y'all
going
to
all
receive
an
invitation
and
maybe
can
come
out
and
play
pickleball.
Also.
AC
They
are
looking
to
establish
everyday
play
course
of
pickleball
on
their
property,
and
so
that
would
be
a
real
big
commitment
and
I
think
especially
for
our
tourists
and
our
visitors,
as
well
as
the
local
folks.
Also,
the
asheville
sport
club
on
cox.
Avenue,
of
course,
has
gotten
the
the
energy
of
pickleball
and
they
are
very
interested
and
you
will
be
seeing
some
pickleball
playing
at
that
facility
also.
So
I
think
we
just
wanted
to
just
sometimes
come
and
just
say.
Thank
you.
We
appreciate
you
and
that's
it
we're
grateful.
AD
Q
AD
With
the
word
debunk,
I
came
across
this
definition
the
other
day
to
expose
the
pretensions
or
falseness
of
especially
by
ridicule.
It
just
warmed
my
heart,
I
almost
wept
when
I
saw
this
definition
because
I
consider
myself
to
be
quite
a
debunker.
You
know,
and
the
origin
of
the
word
comes
from
the
root
word
of
bunking
right
and
that's
buncombe,
it's
an
old
word
and
it
means
meaningless
political
claptrap,
and
I
don't
think
I've
ever
heard
three
words
more
beautifully
arranged
than
that
meaningless
political
claptrap
or.
AD
Lot
like
our
own
county,
because
the
derivation
of
the
word
is
actually
from
here.
AD
House
representative,
felix
walker,
representing
buncombe
county
north
carolina
prattled
on
in
a
long-winded
speech
before
the
united
states
congress,
supporting
the
state
of
missouri's
right
to
be
a
slave
state.
He
assured
his
colleagues
that
his
speech
was
for
his
constituency
that
he
was
in
fact
speaking
to
buncombe,
and
his
fellow
congressman
then
picked
up
the
phrase
and
made
it
speaking
bunkum
when
one
of
their
fellow
ding
dongs
yapped.
AD
About
meaningless
bs
bs
stands
for
buncombe
speaking.
AD
AD
Right,
it's
in
the
dictionary,
so
you
can't
deny
it,
and
you
know
that
I
love
coming
to
city
council
and
just
master
debunking.
AD
Of
everybody
here
in
the
camera-
and
you
know.
AD
C
Q
I
took
note
in
the
documentation
for
this
evening's
hearings
on
the
amendment
that
you've
just
passed,
and
I
know
that
the
end
of
the
presentation
or
the
documentation
provided
there
was
a
series
of
pros
and
cons,
fiscal
impact,
a
number
of
expected
or
likely
outcomes
or
concerns,
and
what
I
would
love
to
see
the
city
do
is
actually
have
a
systemized
process
for
tracking
the
outcomes
of
these
really
vital
decisions
that
city
council
makes
and
that
city
staff
are
charged
with
implementing,
in
other
words,
a
year
from
now.
Q
Once
this,
this
ordinance
is
now
in
place,
it's
been
changed.
I
assume
that
people
who
are
builders
are
going
to
be
making
decisions
based
on
this
new
zoning
requirement,
and
I
would
love
to
see
some
data
that
tracks
the
outcomes.
Do
we
in
fact
get
more
affordable
housing?
Do
we
in
fact
have
better
stormwater
mitigation
because
those
were
the
pros
that
were
listed
in
this
ordinance?
Q
This
applies
to
virtually
everything.
I
think
that
the
city
would
do
a
huge
service
to
its
residents
that
every
time
we
pass
a
new
regulation,
a
new
ordinance
that
we
identify
up
front.
What
the
purpose
of
it
is
and
what
elements
we're
going
to
track
to
see
whether
it
fulfills
the
goals
that
have
been
established
for
it?
Q
This
does
a
bunch
of
great
things.
It
helps
us
keep
track
of
what
works
and
what
doesn't
it
gives
the
residents
of
the
city
the
opportunity
to
see
whether
the
decision
making
resulted
in
the
outcome
that
that
was
intended
and
it
allows
us
to
iterate
and
make
modifications
early
in
the
process
if
we
see
that
something
is
not
having
the
kinds
of
results
that
we
hope
for.
R
First
thing:
I'd
like
to
say
is:
asheville
police
department
has
been
absolutely
wonderful
in
assisting
me
in
trying
to
alleviate
that
problem.
I
was
able
to
speak
to
other
ihop
people
and
removed
a
lot
of
vegetation
to
stop
them
from
dealing
drugs
to
defense,
and
these
are
serious,
hard
problem
drugs.
This
is
fentanyl
meth,
I'm
a
27-year
veteran
healthcare
provider
17
years
in
this
community.
R
Most
of
my
care
has
been
with
substance
abusers.
What's
happening
here
is
not
helping
them
at
all.
Homeward
bound
is
trying
to
build
their
facility
there
to
help
them
and
literally
right
behind
it.
At
25,
white
pine
is
an
apartment
complex
that
fentanyl
and
meth,
and
other
substances
are
being
dealt
out
of
daily.
At
one
point,
the
traffic
was
so
bad
going
across
the
clearing
there
that
looked
like
they
were
doing
more
business
than
the
cookout
window.
R
Asheville
pd
has
been
made
aware
of
this.
I've
brought
them
there
multiple
times
they
feel
their
hands
are
sort
of
tied.
Even
though
we've
put
in
notices
for
trespassing,
none
of
these
people
are
arrested,
they're
not
taken
downtown.
They
are
not
forced
into
a
situation
where
they
have
to
choose
other
options
like
treatment.
R
This
is
a
mental
health
issue.
This
is
a
substance
abuse
issue,
but
allowing
them
to
constantly
keep
doing
the
same
thing
over
again
without
any
kind
of
consequences
is
not
helping
them.
It
is
not
therapeutic
in
any
way
and
in
the
meantime,
our
community
is
being
devastated
by
it.
R
R
A
friend
of
mine
who
is
walking
on
tunnel
road
was
actually
asked
to
get
off
the
property
or
brakes
for
less
because
of
the
homeless
problem,
because
they
thought
that
he
might
be
one
when
he
explained
to
him
he's
just
walking
there
with
his
wife.
They
were
apologetic
and
realized
that,
but
this
is
the
kind
of
problem
that's
happening
in
there.
R
My
wife
sees
a
professional
and
she
will
not
come
into
asheville,
because
when
she
went
to
the
red
lobster
there
was
a
knife
fight
in
the
parking
lot.
So
you
know
we're
trying
to
do
all
these
things,
to
bring
tourists
in
and
to
make
things
nice
for
it,
hopefully
preserve
our
green
spaces.
In
our
canopy
I
mean
I'm
lucky
enough
to
live
in
biltmore
forest,
it's
so
unique
because
they
kept
all
the
trees
and
that's
what
makes
it
different
than
the
regular
kennel
worth.
But
I
know
my
time
is
out.
R
P
I
have
something
I
would
like
to
acknowledge
in
front
of
full
council.
It's
been
heavy
on
my
heart,
but
not
commonly
spoken
of
during
a
full
council
meeting.
It
is
that
we
have
suffered
our
11th
homicide
and
our
community
is
in
a
repeated
cycle
of
grief
and
I
think
we
need
to
as
a
council
have
serious
conversations
beyond
public
safety
committee
about
what
violence
interruption
looks
like
during
our
last
meeting
public
safety
meeting.
P
P
But
in
the
process
I
mean
our
young
people
are
suffering
a
lot.
So
marcus
just
left
a
few
minutes
ago,
but
we
did
have
a
discussion
during
the
last
public
safety
safety
meeting
about
utilizing
the
equity
department
to
try
to
figure
out
what
a
process
to
that
end
would
look
like
autonomy,
but
alignment
with
apd
so
that
we
can
get
the
ball
rolling.
P
There
are
community
groups,
organizing
primarily
mothers,
who
have
suffered
the
loss
of
their
sons
and
they're
planning,
marches
and
they're
planning
to
have
grief
sessions,
but
I
I
feel
like
it's
our
responsibility,
especially
the
mothers
on
council,
to
help
organize
a
violence
interruption
program.
P
The
county
is
already
doing
some
work,
putting
some
money
into
that
area,
but
I
think
it
would
mean
a
lot
for
us
to
aid
an
effort
towards
violence
within
the
city
limits
and
work
collaboratively
with
housing
authority
to
see
what
extra
measures
they
can
go
about
to
provide
safety
for
their
residents.
P
On
another
note:
that's
that
piece
on
another
note:
there
was
a
conversation
had
not
too
long
ago
with
one
of
the
principals
of
asheville
city
schools
and
like
every
city
and
county
they're
suffering
from
a
massive
bus
shortage,
and
I
wanted
to
I
remember
in
my
youth
catching
a
city
bus
to
school.
So
I
wonder
what
that
partnership
looks
like
and
if
that
can
be
a
stop
gap,
while
they
find
bus
drivers
yeah
and
that's
the
thing.
I
know
there
was
a
plan
in
place.
I
know
there
were
bus
tickets
given
out.
P
B
H
P
H
Yeah,
I
I
just
definitely
will
look
into
it.
I
guess
my
biggest
concern
is
the
consistency
of
the
timing
of
our
routes.
You
know
when
pick
up
and
when
kids
need
to
be
back
home,
but
we'll
we'll
certainly
look
at
that.
A
A
To
your
first
point-
and
I
was
actually
talking
with
the
city
manager
before
the
council
meeting
about
the
same
thing
in
terms
of
there's.
A
Discussion
happening
and
a
lot
of
work
at
public
safety,
but
we
haven't
elevated
that
to
council
and
I
think,
that's
very
important
for
us
to
bring
it
on
a
community
level
to
have
that
conversation.
You
know
what
is
the
role,
the
city?
What
is
the
city
doing?
What
can
the
community
do
what
you
know
what
approach
and
also
the
partnership
with
housing
authority
they're
struggling
they,
you
know
apparently
they're
looking
for
their
own
independent
security
and
they're,
not
able
to
do
that.
A
So
you
know
we
have
a
lot
of
moving
parts
to
it,
but
we
don't
meet
again
until
the
the
fourth
tuesday
in
august,
but
miss
campbell.
Maybe
we
can
bring
something
forward
to
council
that
to
talk
about.
P
And
we're
talking
about
it
amongst
ourselves
and
we're
having
meetings
about
it.
So
it's
not
that
I
mean
we
don't
care
and
we're
not
all
so
impacted,
but
when
we
don't
make
it
public,
when
we
don't
discuss
it
here,
it
feels
as
if
either
we're
desensitized.
C
And
I
know
personally,
I'm
not
able
to
always
catch
the
public
safety
meetings
because
of
conflicts
and
I'm
trying
to
go
back
and
watch
and
stuff
but
I've.
I
don't
find
that
I'm
as
informed
and
it
concerns
me
so
anything
that
we
could
do
to
bring
it
to
a
council
level.
I
think,
would
be
appreciated
absolutely.