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From YouTube: City Council Meeting – March 28, 2023
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Regular meeting of the Asheville City Council.
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A
Okay,
good
evening,
everyone
welcome
to
the
March
28
2023
Asheville
city
council
meeting.
If
you
could
just
take
a
moment
to
silence
your
cell
phones,
we
have
a
table
out
in
the
hall
to
sign
up
to
speak.
If
you,
if
you
decide,
you
would
like
to
speak
at
the
meeting,
please
just
sign
up
out
there.
If
you
haven't
already-
and
someone
will
send
me
the
list
of
speakers-
hopefully
Maggie,
can
you
it's
already
in
there
somewhere.
A
A
Okay,
we
have
a
motion
in
a
second.
We
have
two
people
signed
up
to
speak
under
the
consent
agenda
for
folks
who
speak
tonight.
You'll
have
three
minutes
to
speak
and
please
just
watch
the
lights
on
the
lectern
green
means
go
orange
means
you
are
getting
close
to
the
end
and
the
red
and
the
beep
means
stop,
and
the
first
person
signed
up
to
speak
under
the
consent.
Agenda
is
Paul
Tay.
C
Yes,
ma'am,
the
my
street
name
is
blockman
Bob
I
prefer
to
go
by
blunt
man,
but
before
because
of
legal
reasons
and
for
core
document
purposes,
it
is
what
it
is,
what
it
says:
I'm
not
I'm
a
new
resident
of
Asheville
right
here
and
I'm
I'm
unsheltered
here
and
homeless,
and
I
want
to
speak
on
the
homeless
issue
and
the
consent
item
that
I
I
signed
up
for
is,
is
I.
Guess
number
L
is
that
right.
C
Speed
limit
yes,
ma'am
well,
I
I
want
to
say
Jermaine
to
that
particular
topic:
I'll
speak
about
the
homeless
issue
on
on
the
public
hearing.
So
just
so
you
don't
kick
me
out
because
it
ain't
your
main,
so
I'll
be
Jermaine
about
it.
Well,
here's
the
deal
about
speed
limits,
American,
Traffic,
Engineers,
purposely
design,
roadways
to
kill
anybody
who
went
in
massive
hunks
of
rubber
and
metal
is
this.
The
roadway
is
really
designed
to
kill
pedestrians
and
bicycles.
C
C
It's
kind
of
like
this
we're
in
here
in
this
fine
room
with
all
the
Fine
Furniture
and
like
this
and
looking
like
the
classic
City
Hall.
But
if
you
were
lucky
enough,
a
different
kind
of
City
Hall,
that's
on
a
real
modern,
like
you're,
probably
got
a
little
bit
differently.
Wouldn't
you
like
I,
was
I
had
a
chance
to
to
come
out
here
last
couple
days
and
met
with
some
of
the
staff
and
and.
C
City
Halls
and
whatnot,
and
the
Sierra
City
Hall
is
like
real
real
homie.
It's
like
real
up
close
and
personal
for
my
from
being
probably
a
little
bit
too
sometimes
a
little
bit
way
too
up
close
and
personal
for
my
types.
But
then,
when
you
get
to
a
different
city
hall
like
maybe
from
LA
or
you
know,
Dallas
or
whatever,
and
you
go
see,
the
city
hall
is
designed
differently
in
Mall.
Modern
you're
gonna
act
differently.
C
E
E
Initiatives
that
I
see
our
community
running
with
right
now
is
the
sustainable,
clean
energy,
Economic
Development
piece,
as
well
as
the
reparations
movement
and
the
reparations
process.
That's
undergoing
and
I
see
this
Synergy
of
those
two
aspects
because,
as
we
continued,
you
know
if
you
you're
driving
down
West
Asheville,
you
see
the
reparations
mural.
What
does
it
say,
cut
the
check?
What
do
you
need
to
cut
the
check?
You
need
money,
you
need
Revenue.
How
can
we
get
that
we
can
can
get
that
by
creating
another
economic
driver
in
Asheville?
E
Aside
from
tourism
and
I,
see
that
as
the
multi-trillion
dollar
clean
energy
industry,
that's
going
to
continue
to
transition
the
fossil
fuel
industry,
which
is
what
every
three
every
single
Dollar
in
our
economy
has
been
going
through,
and
it's
going
to
change
that
and
it's
going
to
bring
it
through
the
clean
energy
industry
which
Asheville
is
and
continue
to
be
a
leader
on
and
I,
see
Climate
City
as
this
amazing
opportunity.
This
is
a
term
that
was
coined
in
2018.
E
That
means
clean
energy
development,
actual
construction
jobs
in
our
community,
developing
rooftop,
solar,
but
like
what
I
do
you
I
work
on
projects
all
over
the
country
but
I'm
developing
here
in
Asheville?
My
company,
pinegate
Renewables,
is
headquartered
here
in
Asheville
and
we're
a
national
company
that
can
happen
in
Asheville.
So
as
the
vice
chair
of
the
blue
Horizons
project,
Council
or
blue
Horizons
project,
Community
Council,
we
might
be
working
on
the
name,
but
at
any
rate,
I'm
I'm,
a
leader
now
and
I
want
to
continue
to
be
working
with
you.
E
All
I
want
to
be
answering
any
of
your
questions.
I've
been
working
in
clean
energy
since
2017
when
I
spoke
to
you
the
first
time
about
the
100
clean
energy
resolution
when
I
was
starting
the
group
or
new
AVL
that
I
did
with
my
fellow
students
at
UNCA.
Thank
you
for
trusting
us
and
passing
that
resolution.
Now,
let's
take
it
to
the
next
level
and
really
be
build
the
clean
energy
industry
in
Asheville
as
something
that
can
be
an
economic
driver
on
par
with
tourism
in
our
community.
Thank
you.
So
much.
G
G
And
just
wondering
if
either
of
those
projects
went
to
a
black
owned
contractor,
if,
if
not,
why
and
also
really
appreciated
what
Ben
had
to
say,
like
I
thought
that
the
pairing
of
renewable
energy
and
reparations
is
a
great
idea,
there
are
something
called
esops
and
some
money
available
spoke
with
Clark
Duncan
about
this,
and
there
might
be
some
way
of
kind
of
figuring
something
out
around
that,
but
Duke
might
not
be
too
happy
about
it.
So
thank
you
for
your
time.
A
Thank
you.
That's
the
last
person
signed
up
to
speak
under
consent
and
I.
Don't
know
Deborah.
If
anybody
is
here
who
can
speak
to
the
contract
regarding
Stevens
Lee,
Recreation,
Center,
item
J
and
K,
those
are
both
regarding
Stevens
Lee
and
the
contract
to
J
Bartholomew
construction.
I,
don't
know
if
anybody
is
aware
of
the.
D
F
H
I
I
On
it,
Outreach
was
done.
We
only
received
one
bid.
We
had
to
open
that
bid
twice
actually
have
a
successful.
A
J
We
move
forward
with
the
vote.
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
I
really
appreciated
in
item
o.
J
J
But
this
first
came
up
the
first
time
I
heard
it
was
from
Sabrina
Raven,
who
is
a
Transit
Rider
who
served
on
our
Transit
committee,
and
it's
just
a
reminder
to
me
that
having
people
that
are
impacted
by
our
services,
it's
so
important
to
have
them
at
the
table
in
the
initiation
and
the
implementation.
So
thank
you
to
Sabra
and
all
of
our
impacted
folks
who
bring
their
subject
matter.
Experience
to
our
advisory
boards.
A
Okay,
thank
you
all
right,
all
those
in
favor,
please
say
aye
aye
aye
any
opposed
all
right
and
then
do
I.
Have
a
motion
to
approve
item
I
on
the
consent
agenda.
J
Yeah
I'll
just
add
some
clarity,
so
just
to
be
really
consistent
that
the
part
of
this
that
is
funded
through
civil
asset
forfeiture
funds,
which
we've
had
lengthy
conversations
on
at
the
previous
Public
Safety
Committee
I,
still
haven't
seen,
which
neighborhoods
the
funds
were
acquired
from,
but
I
can
expect
that
they
came
from
neighborhoods
where
they
were
extracted
from
neighborhoods
that
are
really
vulnerable
to
violent
crime
and
who
need
investment
in
the
targeted
root
causes
to
address
that
violent
crime.
So
to
be
consistent,
I
am
voting
no
on
item
I.
D
A
A
Okay,
all
right
folks
we're
going
to
move
on
to
presentations
and
reports.
First,
we
have
the
manager's
report
and
I'll
turn
it
over
to
Deborah
Campbell.
Thank.
H
You
and
good
evening,
everyone
mayor,
we
need
to
First
apologize
to
environment
and
Safety
Committee,
because
for
the
most
part,
this
presentation
is
going
to
be
a
repeat.
It's
so
good,
though
appreciate
it.
What
you
saw
and
heard
at
your
committee
meeting-
and
it
is
going
to
be
an
update
on
crime
data
and
chief
Zach-
is
going
to
present
that
and
then
we
will
have
a
little
bit
more
explanation
on
the
community
responder
program
and
I
guess.
L
Thank
you
good
evening.
This
presentation
will
cover
our
end-of-year
crime.
Data
for
2022
I
will
also
highlight
some
operations
that
we
performed
throughout
the
year.
That
proved
to
be
very
successful
and
we
aren't
Ms.
L
Effort,
although
violent
crime
Trends
have
been
discouraging
APD
is
committed
to
ensuring
Asheville
continues
to
be
a
safe
place.
To
live,
do
business
shop
recreate
and
visit.
We
did
see
a
historic
once
again,
a
historic
rise
in
violent
crime
in
22,
but
again,
that's
also
consistent
with
what
we're
seeing
a
lot
nationally.
L
Our
crime
or
high
violent
crime
rate
is
primarily
driven
by
a
17
and
a
half
percent
increase
in
aggravated
assaults.
In
spite
of
the
serious
deficit
of
resources,
we
are
aggressively
deploying
officers
to
respond
to
various
types
of
crimes,
especially
violent
crime,
to
effectively
address
increasing
crime
in
our
community.
We
must
continue
to
strengthen
Public
Safety
as
a
responsibility
of
every
sector
of
our
community.
L
We
thought
that
was
more
covet
related,
but
it
appears
some
of
our
efforts
are
being
successful
and
for
the
fourth
straight
year
or
for
the
third
straight
Year
we're
seeing
a
drop
in
property
crime
and
that's
a
five
percent
decrease
from
a
year
ago
and
our
property
crime
would
be
your
burglaries,
your
larceny's
motor
vehicle
theft
and
arson
and
that's
according
to
FBI's
Uniform
Crime
reporting
program.
L
Now
for
the
bad
news,
we
did
see
another
increase
in
violent
crime
from
21
to
22
17
and
a
half
percent,
roughly
rise
and
again
that's
historically
high.
You
can
see
where
we've
been
trending
since
2013,
so
the
problem
didn't
just
appear
overnight.
We've
been
on
kind
of
a
10-year
run
here
where
we
have
seen
an
occasional
dip,
but
overall
just
a
rise
in
violent
crime,
violent
crime
being
defined
as
homicide,
rape,
robbery,
armed
robbery,
aggravated
assault
again
according
to
the
Uniform
Crime
Report
program
by
the
FBI.
L
So
what
have
we
even
able
to
do?
I
mean
I,
think
our
our
staffing
concerns
are
well
documented.
I,
don't
think
I
need
to
go
into
that
at
this
point
so
where
we
were
often
relying
our
proactive
efforts
had
a
lot
to
do
with
just
presence
and
remaining
visible
and
creating
a
physical
deterrence
just
by
our
mere
presence.
We
haven't
been
able
to
do
that.
So
what
we've
had
to
do
is
really
rely
heavily
on
data
and
try
and
find
and
put
our
resources
where
we
know
that
they're
going
to
be
most
effective.
L
So
when
we
talk
about
where
some
property
crime
has
come
down
last
just
a
month
or
two
ago,
we
as
a
result
of
the
the
break-ins
that
were
occurring
downtown
the
Smashing
of
several
storefronts.
We
deployed
significant
resources
in
the
early
morning
hours
in
the
evening
hours
to
combat
that
that
resulted
in
two
arrests,
where
we
tied
those
individuals
to
a
number
of
those
break-ins.
There
were
also
12
other
arrests
made.
We
also
issued
12
citations.
L
There
were
48
verbal
warnings
and
we
actually
conducted
checks
on
658,
individual
businesses
and
actually
found
some
security
concerns.
With
some
of
those
businesses.
We
were
able
to
go
back
and
make
some
recommendations
for
improved
security
plans.
For
some
of
those
businesses,
we
had
a
several
Target
operations
where
we
target
chronic
shoplifting.
We
were
getting
a
lot
of
complaints
from
some
of
our
big
box
stores
that
they
were
getting
hit
particularly
hard.
L
So
we
were
able
to
organize,
put
several
operations
together
and
Fox
doors
on
South
Tunnel,
Road,
Swannanoa,
River,
Road,
Brevard,
Road
and
Smokey
Park
Highway
and
out
of
those
operations,
73
arrests
were
made,
there
were
127,
total
charges,
33
of
which
were
felonies,
but
we
also
recovered
some
meth
fentanyl,
ecstasy
and
along
with
a
firearm,
so
those
operations
very
successful
and
really
were
targeting
The
Chronic
shoplifting
in
some
of
those
locations.
L
L
So
in
September
from
September
to
October
of
last
year,
we
ran
a
month-long
operation
where
we
just
were
highly
visible.
There
was
Heavy
enforcement
action
even
for
some
minor
violations
and
that
resulted
in
60,
arrests,
172,
citations
and
277
verbal
warnings,
but
what
we
also
saw
was
a
dramatic
decrease
in
aggravated
assault
in
the
downtown
area.
Some
of
these
other
operations,
particularly
the
p
e
operation,
that
we
ran
a
few
months
ago
that
is
now
carried
over
into
January,
February
and
March
of
this
year,
and
what
I
can
tell
you
is
once
again.
L
While
we
were
running
these
operations,
we
were
seeing
again
a
dramatic
drop
in
aggravated
assault.
So
we
know
our
data
is
reliable,
we're
using
it
to
the
best
of
our
ability
to
put
our
resources
in
place
where
they're
needed
most,
and
we
see
that
when
we
are
there
and
when
we
have
the
ability
to
be
proactive,
we're
also
very
effective.
So
we're
hoping
as
this
continues
in
this
these
deployments
continue.
These
operations
continue.
L
L
Homicides
really,
since
2014
it
played
fairly
steady.
There
have
been
dips
in
in
some
instances
risers.
Unfortunately,
in
2022
we
did
see
11
homicides
in
our
city,
but
again
the
rise.
There
is
not
statistically
significant
to
what
the
overall
trend
is
over
the
past
decade.
So
again,
unfortunately,
it's
an
increase
from
2021,
but
and
obviously
all
losses
are
terrible,
but
the
numbers
have
not
significantly
risen,
nor
have
they
significantly
declined.
L
Over
the
past
five
years,
there's
52
homicides
that
have
been
reported
in
Asheville.
We
are
down
currently
55
percent
of
our
investigators
and
our
detectives.
However,
despite
those
losses,
our
clearance
rate
is
63
percent.
In
those
cases
which
I
think
is
is
pretty
darn
good,
considering
the
national
average
in
20
and
21
is
about
50
clearance
rate
on
homicides.
Obviously
we
wish
we
could
solve
every
single
one
of
them,
that's
impossible,
but
we
are
trending
ahead
of
the
national
average.
I
can
also
tell
you
in
2023
already,
we've
had
three
homicides
in
all
three.
L
Shots
fired
when
I
arrived
here
in
2020,
we
were
at
652
calls
of
shots
fired
per
year.
This
is
an
effort.
That's
been
ongoing
for
three
years
is
to
get
these
numbers
down.
The
number
of
shots
fired
in
the
sea
is
completely
unacceptable.
We
have
been
targeting
and
working
with
our
partners,
both
federally
and
locally
and
with
the
county
to
get
these
numbers
down,
and
you
get
these
numbers
down
by
taking
the
most
violent
criminals
in
the
city
off
the
street
and,
as
we've
been
able
to
do
that,
we've
seen
the
shots.
L
L
The
bad
news
is,
unfortunately,
when
we
talk
about
victims
of
gunfire,
we
saw
we
did
see
a
rise
this
year
from
31
to
36,
but
again
we're
much
lower
than
where
we
were
in
2020.
So
a
little
bit
of
good
news,
bad
news
there,
the
shots,
fired,
calls
are
down,
but,
unfortunately
the
number
of
people
hit
has
risen
over
a
year
ago.
L
As
I've
stated
numerous
times,
what's
driving
our
violent
crime
rate,
more
than
any
other
factor
is
aggravated
assault
and
again
we
saw
another
big
jump
from
21
to
22.
21.8
percent
increase
in
those
aggravated
assaults
and
those
aggravated
assets
are
basically
assault
with
a
weapon.
L
When
we
get
into
our
sex
offense
cases,
particularly
rape,
there's
very
little
proactive
work
that
can
be
done
there.
You
can
see
these
numbers
across
the
decade
have
been.
You
know,
for
the
most
part
that
that
has
stayed
level.
But
again
it's
it's
a
very
difficult
crime
to
to
be
proactive
with
it's
more
about
solving
those
cases
when
they
do
unfortunately
occur
robbery,
we've
saw
years
where
it's
been
much
worse
last
year.
I
would
call
that
an
average
year
if
we
could,
if
we
could
use
that.
L
L
L
B
You,
yes,
I,
just
have
a
couple
quick
questions:
if
I
am
a
downtown
business
and
my
window
is
smashed
in
and
my
goods
are
stolen,
am
I
a
property
crime
or
a
robbery
that.
B
L
P
L
Know
they
just
don't
make
the
call
yeah
and
I
think
you're
right
but
I
think
two,
that's
always
my
problem
where
that's
going
underreported
so
again,
yeah,
it's
it's
difficult.
All
we
can
do
is
rely
on
our
CAD
data,
the
stuff
that
comes
in
where
people
are
actually
reporting
are.
We
is
it
all
being
reported,
of
course
not.
No,
it
isn't
the.
B
L
A
I
mean
when
we
look
at
it
heat
map
of
the
property
crime.
Like
this,
it's
like
the
mall.
It's
you
know
it's.
L
A
L
Has
to
yeah
and
again
when
you
talk
about
Under
reporting,
different
corporations
have
different
corporate
policies
on
what
they
pursue,
because
we've
been
with
certain
big
box
retailers.
We
have
actually
told
them
if
you
know
where
they
would
like
to
report,
but
then
be
reluctant
to
prosecute
with
our
resources
being
what
they
are.
If
you're
not
going
to
prosecute
we're,
not
sending
someone
out
to
take
returns.
A
And
do
you
know
this
is
another
one
of
these
areas
where
I
wonder
you
know
just
with
the
traffic
ticket
concept,
where
there's
legislation
pending
right
now
to
allow
non-sworn
officers
to
handle
traffic
incidents
that
don't
involve
a
bodily
injury.
I
mean?
Is
this
the
kind
of
thing
where,
if
it
could
be
outsourced
to
non-sworn
Personnel
to
handle
the
write-up
of
these
incidents,
I
mean
unless
they
need
it
investigated
or
if
they're
just
doing
it
to
report
for
insurance
or
something
I'm,
not
exactly
sure.
L
L
B
I
get
a
lot
of
frustration
from
those
really
those
those
storefronts
actually
I
hear
that
a
lot
and
I
mean
I've,
been
at
Lowe's
a
number
of
times
when
I've
seen
just
cart,
schools
of
people,
just
they
just
walk
out
the
door
and
the
policy
and
the
stories
don't
follow
them.
It's
dangerous.
So
but
I
guess
my
so!
This
property
crime
can
I
go
on
the
dashboard
and
drill
down
to
some
of
this,
so
I
can
like,
for
my
own
knowledge,
exclude
the
Walmarts
and
so
on
and
get
a
better
review
of
I.
L
B
L
B
D
L
But
what
we
see
is
again,
whether
it's
just
somewhere
in
technology
Savvy,
some
don't
have
the
access
to
technology.
B
L
Oh
yeah,
we
have
we
and
it's
frustratingly
low.
Okay,.
L
B
K
Also
just
share
before
we
move
on
to
the
next
one
that
in
the
environment
and
safety
committee
meeting
we
talked,
we
had
this
presentation
and
witnessed
some
depth,
and
particularly,
we
all
expressed
a
lot
of
concern
about
the
trend
with
aggravated
assault.
That's
scary,
that's
scary,
for
a
lot
of
people,
I
hear
from
people
who
are
who
are
nervous
and
we
asked
staff
to
come
to
us
and
we're
going
to
talk
next
month
about
what's
the
12-month
plan.
What
what
strategies
are
we
going
to
be
doing?
L
K
L
Again,
what
we
do
see-
and
we
saw
through
some
of
the
operations
that
we
ran,
even
though
we
weren't
running
an
operation
to
curb
aggravated
assault.
We
were
running
operations
to
deter
break-ins
downtown,
but
just
that
physical
presence
in
that
particular
District
aggravated
assaults
came
way
down.
So
we
know
what
we
do
know
is
presence
or
the
sense
of
omnipresence
does
work.
It
doesn't
solve
all
crimes,
it
doesn't
deter
all
crimes,
but
there
is
definitely
a
correlation
to
if
we
are
in
the
area
that
aggravated
assault
number
seems
to
go
down.
H
And
I
I
wanted
to
touch
on
the
the
last
bullet
in
the
key
takeaways
that
the
chief
talked
about
is
that
Public
Safety
is
our
responsibility
in
terms
of
the
collective,
the
community's
responsibility
and,
in
particular,
related
to
what
you
were
just
talking
about
in
terms
of
aggravated
assault,
and
one
in
four
is
domestic
violence.
I
mean
we
need
all
of
those
other
providers
to
help
us
in
terms
of
preventing
crime,
because
that's
what
we
want
to
do.
We
don't
always
want
to
be
reacting.
H
K
Some
of
those
other
areas-
part
of
the
conversation
today,
just
because
it's
so
important,
I
think
for
us
all
to
be
kind
of
clued
in
is
you
know
we
we
had
a
presentation
from
the
parks
director
about
our
Parks
master
plan.
We
heard
from
the
police
chief
we
heard
from
the
fire
chief.
We
looked
at
all
these
and
said
when
we're
doing
a
really
amazing
job
with
our
community
centers.
K
Saying
Deborah,
this
isn't
just
one
Department
there's
a
lot
of
services
when
we
have
our
street
lights
bright,
that
can
be
a
crime
deterrent.
So
we
really
want
to
be
looking
across
the
entire
organization
and
to
Our
Community
Partners
to
make
sure
that
this
time
next
year
we
see
these
bar
charts
going
in
the
other
direction.
Despite
the
struggle
that
we
have
with
Staffing.
A
A
Contribute
to
lowering
crime
rates
and
the
street
light
we've
been
talking
about
street
lights.
I
feel
like
for
a
while
it'd
be
nice
not
now,
but
to
hear
how
we're
going
to
comprehensively
deal
with
street
lights,
because
we
do
know
that
that
is
really
important
in
in
our
downtown
and
in
our
out
in
our
community
as
well
and
I
I
mean
chief,
you
kind
of
touched
on
this.
A
little
bit
I
mean
you
basically
said
when
we,
when
we
have
an
opera
operation,
not
in
operation.
A
L
Again,
crime
moves.
It
doesn't
stay
stationary
where
we
provide
a
heavier
presence
where
we'll
not
where
we
are
not.
L
We
also
see
crime
tend
to
go
up
if
we
ignore
an
area
and
we
did
identify
like
six
or
seven
really
hot
spots
in
town,
and
certainly
we
can't
you
know,
we
don't
want
to
just
focus
on
one.
You
know
we.
We
have
to
move
those
resources
around,
so
our
problem
always
is
how
long
can
we
sustain
a
single
operation
in
a
single
area
of
town,
and
we
certainly
don't
want
to
neglect
other
areas
that
are
suffering
the
same
issues,
especially
when
it's
related
to
viable
crime.
L
So
we
wanna,
we
can't
be
everywhere,
but
we're
again
trying
to
just
strategically
deploy.
But
when
we
move
we're
moving
to
another
area,
that's
also
affected
and
again
A
lot
of
times
these.
These
plans
are
developed,
we're
ready
to
go,
we're
ready
to
move
on
something
and
then
something
bigger
will
come
up,
and
then
our
attention
gets
diverted
away.
L
J
Committed
staff
speaking
was
one
that
was
hard
to
get
to
the
the
root
cause
of
the
crime
and
get
to
prevention,
but
I
also
heard
a
conversation
around.
Could
we
look
at
what
the
plan
is?
I,
don't
want
to
see
any
intimate
partner,
violence
but
and
no
amount
of
it
is
like
I'm
not
going
to
go
to
a
neighbor.
That's
that's
suffering
through
healing
and
say
well,
you're,
on
a
number
on
a
screen.
J
There's
data
around
this,
like
I,
think
the
community
expects
us
to
have
a
plan,
so
I
think
that
what
I
was
hearing
is
like.
Could
we
look
at
a
strategy
for
addressing
the
root
causes
and
prevention
around
some
of
these
issues?
Instead
of
just
the
numbers
and
I
think
that
would
reflect
what
the
community
is
asking.
K
For
us,
yeah
I
think
that's
what
we're
saying
and
staff
is
going
to
start
bringing
to
us.
The
first
step
of
that
is
to
look
at
the
the
goals
that
we
co-created
at
our
Council
Retreat.
So
we
came
up
with
a
list
and
that
was
kind
of
in
brainstorm
mode,
so
staff
is
going
to
be
synthesizing.
Those
goals
which
shows
things
like
crime
prevention
root
cause
as
well
as
crime
reduction,
because
we
need
we
need
all
of
those
strategies
to
be
addressed
and
then
look
over.
K
J
L
F
L
Find
everything
and
break
it
down?
I
know:
we've
got
victim
information
and
we've
been
building
that
portion
of
it
out,
but
again
it
takes
time
and
it
takes
resources
to.
D
L
J
Some
of
it
is
designed
right.
We
heard
today
about
safe
Street
designs.
We
just
had
a
cyclist
that
lost
their
life
due
to
interaction
with
someone
driving
a
vehicle
and
our
we
have
the
second
highest
bike:
pedestrian
accident
ratio
in
the
state.
It's
not
good
for
business.
It's
not
good
for
people
who
live
here
or
visit,
and
poor
people
and
vulnerable
people
are
more.
F
J
L
J
Also
heard
you
mentioned
poverty
and
I
think
that's
really
important,
because
when
I'm
looking
at
the
trends
up
and
then
I'm
matching
that
with
what
I'm
hearing
about
the
trend
is
up
in
tourism,
up
in
housing
costs
we're
struggling
to
keep
up
with
living
wages
for
our
own
staff,
we're
working
on
a
place
of
belonging
for
our
young
people,
but
we're
lacking
solutions
that
are
we're
competing
with
the
attraction
of
illegal
trade
and
I.
A
Q
Sorry
for
those
that
had
to
hear
this
earlier
and
we'll
try
to
make
this
painless
to
give
again,
but
in
in
disclosure
of
what
we're
doing
in
transparency
of
what
we're
trying
to
do
with
working
with
staff
within
our
executive
team,
as
well
as
within
Council,
to
try
to
be
competitive
in
the
market
that
was
kind
of
the
the
main
piece
of
what
we
you
need
to
hear
from
us.
Q
We've
been
tracking
this
from
my
office
for
quite
some
time
and
where
we're
at
that's,
where
most
of
that
data
comes
from,
is
what
other
cities
are
doing,
what
municipalities
are
doing
within
the
state
and
within
the
nation
and
so
we're
working
to
try
to
find
where
we
fit
in
there.
Unfortunately,
folks
are
watching
us
do
that
too.
Q
Chief
and
I
just
attended
a
job
fair
that
we'll
talk
about
shortly,
where
several
other
entities
of
police
departments
came
to
him
and
thanked
him
for
the
work
he's
doing
with
the
city,
because
that's
getting
attention
and
that's
going
to
drive
up
their
wages
too.
So
with
that,
we
thank
you
for
that.
But
we
ask
that
you
know
you
continue
to
to
work
towards
what
what
we've
put
out
there
and
what
we're
seeing
and
we'll
continue
to
give
you
that
feedback.
So
right
now,
we've
had
10
officers
that
are
in
their
field.
Q
Q
This
is
one
of
the
realities
that
we
have
shared
of
what
has
happened,
but
I
also
think
it's
a
good
opportunity
to
just
show
that
it
is
not
a
reduction
in
standard
in
who
we're
hiring
the
state
still
has
a
minimum
and
they
must
pass
that
and
unfortunately,
we
had
one
that
failed
and
we
will
move
on
and
attempt
to
try
to
recoup
the
loss
as
we
push
forward,
but
we
still
have
four
those
are
slated
to
graduate
in
July.
They
would
then
get
to
their
field.
Q
Training
in
November
a
week
are
processing
eight
applications
for
that
July.
We
have
held
off
somewhat
for
that
Canton
job,
fair
that
we
were
able
to
get
into.
We
also
attended
one
at
the
AG
Center
and
when
we're
there
we're
competing
not
just
with
other
police
departments.
We,
as
we
discussed
in
committee
today,
we're
competing
against
private
business
and,
quite
frankly,
a
trend
Across
the
Nation
for
people
not
looking
to
get
into
this
profession.
Q
Epic
is
a
big
piece
of
what
we
kind
of
asked
for
early
on
when
it
came
to
seeing
what
we
saw
in
the
early
stages
of
2020
and
2021
about
what
we
needed
to
do
to
get
more
visible.
How
do
we
attract
people
not
only
just
to
the
city
but
to
want
to
work
within
this
city,
police
department?
Epic,
was
obviously
selected
to
help
drive
people
to
the
website
to
see
us
and
then
to
get
them
to
apply
when
they
were
launched
in
September.
Q
We
then
launched
that
digital
campaign
and
we
use
social,
organic
content
with
these
ads
and
we've
we've
reported
on
that
before
too,
and
what
those
ads
do
or
to
drive
the
city
police
department
in
front
of
as
many
people
as
we
possibly
can.
Our
goal
is
to
use
all
of
those
social
media
platforms
to
just
get
out
in
front
and
and
that's
what
the
hope
is
you'll
hear
see
in
a
slide
in
a
second
just
what
that
looks
like
from
them.
Q
Q
Obviously
we
want
that
to
grab
their
attention
to
get
them
to
seek
out
more
information.
That's
getting
clicks
on
those
ads.
We
want
them
to
take
a
deeper
dive.
We
want
them
to
look
at
what
else
can
I
get
out
of
the
city
do
I
fit?
There
is
this
for
me,
and
so
that's
why?
Epic?
What's
so
important
is
to
tell
the
story
of
what
it's
like
to
be
an
officer
within
the
city,
to
give
a
little
insight
into
what
the
city
looks
like,
we
want
those
to
turn
into
conversions.
Q
As
you
can
see,
it's
to
really
show
an
action.
How
interested
are
they?
Will
they
fill
out
a
form?
Will
they
go
to
another
page?
Will
they
want
to
seek
out
what
our
benefits
look
like?
We
want
to
know
all
of
that
data.
We
also
want
to
know
if
they're
looking
at
these
videos
is
this
working.
Do
we
need
to
continue
as
we've
discussed
with
the
committee
at
length?
Do
we
continue
seeking
advertising
dollars
in
this
area?
Q
So
do
they
want
to
know
about
the
job?
Do
they
have
a
specific
question
surrounding
one
of
the
benefits?
Do
they
want
to
know
what
our
hours
of
work
looks
like?
That's,
that's
where
they
get
that
information
and
that's
what
we're
seeing
and
then,
when
we
try
to
Target
a
certain
specific
audience,
that's
really
what's
happening
to
every
one
of
us
every
time
we
click
on
buying
something
from
Amazon
and
we
leave
it
in
our
cart.
You
get
five
more
of
those
popping
up
on
your
screen.
Q
The
next
time
Amazon
pays
for
that
they
want
to
be
back
in
front
of
you,
and
so
that's
a
part
of
that
digital
marketing.
They
want
to
get
you
back
flashed
in
front
of
your
screen
and
we're
trying
to
do
that
too.
If
there's
a
police
department,
that's
going
to
pop
up,
that's
hiring.
We
want
it
to
be
us.
Q
So
from
an
analytical
standpoint.
This
is
just
kind
of
giving
you
a
very
quick
down
and
dirty
look
at
what
epic
gives
us
that
streams
through
when
they
get
clicks.
So
you
got
search
campaigns
to
display
campaigns.
This
is
all
of
those
side
boxes
on
your
web
pages
to
those
that
are
on
social
media
and,
if
they're,
getting
to
our
page
from
there.
The
events
that
you're
seeing
and
those
total
numbers
of
views
on
our
website
plus
who's
actually
staying
there.
How
long
they
stay
on
the
page.
Q
Do
they
get
up
to
the
top
and
actually
click
that
I
want
a
job
or
what
does
pay
look
like
and
then
we
have
those
form
starts.
We
also
track
how
many
people
started
to
ask
us
a
question,
but
actually
didn't
get
around
to
sending
it
to
us,
and
so
probably
more
data
than
you
wanted
to
see,
but
we're
getting
all
of
this
from
epic,
and
it
really
gives
us
a
true
picture
of
what
that
piece
looks
like
so.
R
Only
thing
I'd
like
to
say
you
did
a
great
job
explaining
you
know
how
you're
going
about
with
the
recruiting
and
I
was
just
thinking
of
something
that,
when
you're
talking
about
the
slides
and
the
videos
that
you
that
you
use
for
recruiting,
I
was
just
wondering.
Do
they
use
any
advertisement
just
showing
the
beautiful
mountains
and
and
it's
kayaking
and
tubing
and
all
the
activities
it
does
have
all
that.
That's
what
I'm
saying
okay
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
it
did
include
that
I.
D
Q
A
I
I
will
say:
I
think
I
can't
remember,
which
graduating
class
it
was
but
I
was
struck
by
how
many
folks
came
here
from
around
the
nation,
and
one
of
the
drivers
was
you
know
this
place
is
great.
It's
awesome,
I
want
to
be
here,
I
know
it's
hard
to
then
retain
you
know
once
they
go
through
training
and
start
for
them
to
stay,
so
we
gotta
help
help
you
help
them
be
able
to
to
stay
in
our
community.
Q
Q
Is
that
we
are
down,
we
kind
of
want
to
move
past
and
look
at
what
you've
spoken
about,
and
we
even
talked
about
in
the
committee
and
that's
the
greater
look
of
what
the
officers
we
have
that
are
here:
they're
our
recruiting
driver
and
then
what
we
do
on
top
of
that,
how
we
can
Aid
them
on
our
end
from
an
executive
team
to
council
and
giving
them
the
tools
that
hook
what
makes
them
want
this
place.
Then
we
have
that
at
our
disposal.
We
have
a
beautiful
city.
Q
S
H
T
T
T
Our
unsheltered
community.
They
they
are
experiencing
a
lot
of
overlapping
challenges
and
the
unsheltered
problem
in
our
community
affects
everyone
in
our
community
and
so
as
big
as
the
problem
is
as
big
as
the
challenges
are.
We
really
need
to
have
that
multi-disciplinary
effort
in
order
to
to
move
the
needle,
and
so
we
want
to
make
sure
that
it
is
a
multi-disciplinary
program
and
not
just
the
focus
of
one
entity
or
one.
One
area
of
expertise.
T
Reason
that
I
want
to
highlight
that
is
I've
been
asked.
A
number
of
times
is:
how
is
this
program
different
from
Buncombe
County's,
Community
Paramedic
program,
or
how
will
it
add
to
Buncombe
County's,
Community
Paramedic
program
and
a
a
good?
A
good
example
is
any
any
very
complex
problem
that
that
affects
everyone
in
the
community
always
requires
a
multi-disciplinary
approach,
especially
when
it
comes
to
public
safety,
especially
when
it
comes
to
community
safety.
T
T
So
what
we
have
been
doing
as
we
we
put
together
this
plan
for
this
pilot,
is
we've
been
gathering
information,
consistent
check-ins
with
internal
city
of
Ashford
apartments
and
external
Partners
throughout
our
community
Buncombe
County.
T
G
T
F
T
T
We
have
the
ability
to
to
shift
and
adapt
to
what
the
actual
needs
are,
but
we,
we
hope
to
have
two
person
teams
that
work
12-hour
shifts
seven
days
a
week
and
we
we
initially
will
match
what
Buncombe
County's
Outreach
team
is
doing
their
community
outreach
team,
which
is
9
A.M
to
9
p.m.
We.
T
Ability
to
if
the
need
needs
to
be
earlier
or
later
or
even
more
resources
on
a
certain
day.
We
have
that
ability
by
adding
resources
to
this
Outreach
effort,
so
these
afd
Community
responders,
they
will
be
focused
on
Outreach
education
and
engagement
and
that's
within
our
own
sheltered
Community
within
our
business
Community
within
our
neighborhoods,
and
so
they
will
be
on
the
street
in
neighborhoods
doing
that
Outreach
in
our
communities,
that
of
unsheltered
people
in
our
business
communities.
Listening
educating
engaging
finding
out
what
do
we
need
to
do
to
help
move
the
needle?
T
What
are
your
needs?
What
are
your
needs
when
you're
unsheltered?
What
are
your
needs
when
you're,
a
business
and
you're
impacted
by
our
unsheltered
issue
and
same
with
our
neighborhoods?
What
what
can
we
do?
What
needs
to
be
done?
How
can
we
assist
and
move
the
needle
with
this
issue
and
the
education
being
a
huge
huge
part
of
that
prevention?
I
think
helps
highlight
why
the
multi
multi-disciplinary
approach
is
so
important.
So
over
the
last
three
years,
the
number
of
outdoor
fires
in
the
city
of
Asheville
have
more
than
doubled.
D
T
That
increase
is
due
to
fires
that
occur
within
our
unsheltered
population
and
fires
are
very
cruel
for
anyone
they're
particularly
cruel
for
someone
who
is
unsheltered,
and
so
we
we
have
that
subject
matter
expertise
as
an
example
on
how
to
keep
yourself
warm
safely.
How
to
to
prepare
your
food
safely,
and
what
these
folks
will
be
doing
is
is
helping
to
address
that
significant
issue.
That's
that's
more
than
doubled
in
the
last
last
several
years
and
reducing
those
number
of
fires,
particularly
in
our
sheltered
Community,
same
thing
with
with
illness.
T
F
T
M
T
With
our
unsheltered
population,
trespassing
clearly
is
an
issue
that
we
hope
to
do
some
prevention
work
with
and
if
we
have
a
relationship
with
somebody
and
they're
in
a
place
on
somebody's
property
that
that
person
doesn't
want
them
to
be.
If
we
have
that
relationship
and
we
can
find
somewhere
safe
that
they
can
go
to,
then
it
doesn't
escalate
into
a
trespassing
issue
that
the
police
department
obviously
would
need
to
deal
with.
So
those
are
the
types
of
prevention
activities
that
we
hope
to
to
perform
can
a
connection
and
coordination.
T
So
the
next
steps,
where
of
those
18
folks,
that
said
their
initial,
we're
going
to
select
four
or
five
folks
to
staff
the
pilot
program.
They're
going
to
be
reassigned.
They
won't
have
any
other
duties.
They
will
be
completely
dedicated
to
this
program
during
the
duration
of
the
pilot
program,
we're
going
to
finalize
the
plan
and
schedule
and
we're
doing
training
with
the
Buncombe
County
programs
to
make
sure
that
there's
there's
enough
consistency
as
possible
and
then
we're
going
to
launch
that
pilot
program.
T
So
the
talent,
the
tentative
timeline,
is
we're
going
to
have
that
outline
of
the
plan
complete
by
the
end
of
this
month.
Just
in
a
couple
of
days
implement
it
May
1st,
compiling
evaluation
data
from
the
the
first
60
days
of
the
pilot
at
the
end
of
June
and
the
report
back
out
to
environment
safety
and
full
Council,
if
necessary
by
the
end
of
August.
T
D
R
I
have
a
question:
could
you
give
us
an
example
of
what
the
position
actually
looks
like
like?
How
do
you,
when
you're
out
there
in
a
community,
can
people
actually
reach
out
to
you
or,
if
so,
how
would
they
contact
you?
R
Would
you
be
getting
any
leads
from
I
mean
calls
from
9-1-1
that
basically
reach
out
to
you,
or
will
you
be
having
radios
or
just
want
to
sort
of
get
an
idea,
because,
if
someone's
having
an
issue
where
they
don't
really
think
it
needs
to
be
a
police
issue,
just
someone
needing
help?
How
would
they
reach
you?
What.
T
How
is
the
question?
That's
the
question,
and
the
answer
is
all
the
above
and
So.
Currently,
those
calls
are
coming
in
in
a
lot
of
different
ways.
We
get
we
get
Facebook
messages,
saying
hey
there's
this
issue
that
needs
to
be
addressed
obviously
calls
go
into
9-1-1.
We
get
phone
calls
on
our
business
line.
The
police
department
gets
phone
calls
on
on
their
business
line.
T
A
This
is
for
the
more
the
emergency
response
and
how
they're
delegating
the
resources,
because
if
your
team's
out
there,
too
and
Community
paramedics
are
out
there
I'm
sure
there's
going
to
be
a
learning
curve
of
figuring
out.
Do
we
both
need
to
be
at
this
call?
Are
you
guys
at
this
call?
Are
we
at
this
call
as
how
is
this
call
different
and
then
what
are
the
you
know
they're
doing
proactive
work
as
well.
A
They've
got
you
know
they
come
on
shift
and
they
already
know
they're
going
to
go,
see
this
guy
at
six
o'clock
because
he
needs
they
already
had
a
predetermined
appointment
with
them.
So
they
have
that
mixed
in
with
the
emergency
response,
so
I'm
sure
it'll
be
well
with
any
of
these
new
programs.
It's
it's
much
more
complicated
when
you
watch
the
actual
administration
of
it
on
the
ground,
I
think.
A
Ideally,
it
would
be
great
if
we
work
toward
a
system
where
residents
and
Shop
owners
and
folks
like
that,
did,
did
know
kind
of
exactly
if
there
were
going
to
be
non-emergency
numbers
that
were
available
for
different
resources,
what
that
list
was
and
what
which
one
they're
supposed
to
call
and
when
and
I
think
for
right
now,
it's
just
been
determined.
It's
too
difficult.
A
Just
call
9-1-1
and
they'll
figure
out
who
who
needs
to
be
there
and
and
this
isn't
so
much
for
you,
but
but
but
your
team
will
encounter
it
and
I'm
sure
already
has.
But
we
have
a
lot
of
questions
in
our
community
around
mental
health
crises.
We
are
seeing
it
happen
in
our
community.
We
are
watching
folks
experiencing
a
mental
health
crisis
in
real
time,
and
there
are
a
lot
of
questions
about
who
do
you
call
what
happens?
What
is
and
so
I'm
not
expecting
you
to
answer
this.
A
The
city
doesn't
have
a
direct
role
necessarily
in
mental
health
crises,
unless
it's
an
emergency
or
someone's
physically
in
danger
and
I've
only
been
able
to
understand
the
tip
of
the
iceberg
about
everything,
from
involuntary
commitment
to
the
counties.
B
Huck
facility,
which
they've
now
funded
to
get
up
and
running
24
7
again,
but
it
isn't
yet
and
so
at
some
point.
A
I'm
kind
of
looking
at
you
Deborah,
but
I
I
think
it's
important
for
us
to
at
least
get
a
really
good
understanding
of
how
that
system
works
in
our
community,
because
people
are
reaching
out
to
us
for
about
those
questions.
They're
not
reaching
out
to
the
direct
providers
of
those
services,
and
we
need
to
have
a
better
level
of
understanding
of
how
that
works
so
that
we
can
a
explain
it
to
people
and
B
understand
what
our
role
in
is
is
in
it
and
what
we
can
do
better
to
support
that
system
and.
H
And
a
lot
of
the
work
that
afd
staff
has
been
doing
is
actually
working
with
those
providers.
So,
as
you
just
said
mayor,
we
can
get
an
understanding
of
number
one
who
are
the
service
providers
and,
quite
frankly,
who
should
we
call
right,
as
as
our
employees
are
out
in
the
field,
and
we
notice
and
come
upon
someone
who
is
having
a
crisis?
And
so
yes
ma'am
we
will.
We
will
provide
that
information,
possibly
as
part
of
the
analysis
of
our
when
we
launch.
H
We
want
to
have
a
lot
of
specificity
about
what
our
role
is
going
to
be
and
when
and
who
do
you
call
and
all
of
that
information
we
got
about
30
more
days
in
order
to
get
all
of
that
information
compiled
before
we
launch,
but
we
we
definitely
know
that
it's
a
need.
Absolutely.
F
F
T
F
T
Unfamiliar
with
trying
to
triage
and
navigate
those
things,
but
you're
exactly
right.
Well,
this!
This
is
a
path
to
a
better
route
for
people
to
get
that
that
care.
J
I
just
wanted
to
say
thank
you
to
you
and
your
team
for
exploring
this
new.
It's
not
so
new
response
right,
because
the
counties
do
an
episode
is
Durham,
so
I
had
like
after
I
watched
the
environment
and
Safety
Committee
today,
I
had
a
series
of
five
questions
that
I
think
are
linked
and
some
of
them
might
be
able
to
answer
today.
J
T
Yeah,
so
what
we're
hearing
so
you
know,
Buncombe
County
has
the
two
that
are
on
duty
that
do
Outreach
and
they
need
they
need
capacity.
What
we
continuously
hear
from
from
Buncombe
County
is
their
their
efforts
are
on
response.
They,
they
don't
have
much
capacity
right
now
to
do
any
of
the
engagement
or
Outreach,
and
so,
but
what
we're
hearing
from
them
is
is
what
is
working
best
right
now,
for
them
is
9
A.M
until
9
pm,
and
so
we're
going
to
start
with
that
with
that
ability
to
be
very
flexible
and.
T
That
hey
there
is,
there
is
a
greater
need
and
now
that
we
have
additional
capacity
we
we
can
overlap
one
another
and
and
have
that
early
morning
have
that
late
evening
and
when
you
know
unfortunately,
the
the
weather
is
is
getting
warm
or
once
it
gets
cold
again.
Those
late
evenings
will
be
even
more
important
to
make
sure
code
purple.
We
get
people
to
shelters
and
stuff
like
that,
and
so
I.
D
J
I
appreciate
that
it
sounded
like
Outreach
to
identify
needs
as
the
primary
objective,
but
I
also
heard
specifically
from
you
Deborah
objectives
around
literally
quote
surveillance
and
boots
on
the
ground.
So
can
we
speak
a
little
bit
about
the
position,
we're
putting
our
staff
in
to
do
that
when
there's,
let's
be
honest,
we're
like
kind
of
missing
the
network
of
where
we
would
send
people
if
there's
not
in
the
right
place
to
be.
T
H
Well,
I
think
that
the
terminology
of
surveillance
is,
we
are
going
to
be
out
on
the
streets
looking
and
an
environmental
scan
right,
an
environmental
scan
or
surveying
conditions,
particularly
within
our
downtown,
but
also
potentially
in
other
parts
of
the
community,
to
see
if
there
is
someone
in
crisis-
and
we
again
are
trying
to
do
this
prior
to
those
situations
escalating
to
the
point
where
a
business
owner
or
an
employee
can't
get
into
the
place
that
they
need
to
get
into
or
access
to
are,
and
more
importantly,
is
for
that
individual
to
be
able
to
be
connected
to
to
help
if
there
is
if
there
are
any
people
within
our
employment.
H
J
Well,
that
kind
of
is
connected,
so
with
those
being
the
primary
objectives,
it
sounded
like
the
primary
difference.
What
I
heard
today
earlier
today
was
that
our
pilot
versus
bunkums
is
they're,
incorporating
homeless,
Outreach
and
opioid
or
substance
response,
and
that
we
don't
necessarily
tend
to
focus
on
those
issues
in
this
pilot
yeah.
T
Do
that,
as
you
know,
and
so
we
will
absolutely
continue
to
focus
on
that,
I
think
what
we
bring
to
the
table
with
that
multi-disciplinary
approach
is
very
similar
to
our
Emergency,
Medical,
Services,
System
right
now,
and
so
cities
that
are
inside
a
county.
So
a
county
has
a
a
level
of
good
service
that
it
provides
to
All,
County
residents
and,
and
then
cities
that
have
densely
populated
areas
will
add
services.
On
top
of
that
to
to
be
a
force
multiplier
not
to
be
additive,
and
so
that
that's
exactly
what
it
is
here.
T
So
as
an
example,
Buncombe
County
by
General
statute
provides
Emergency,
Medical
Services
to
County
All,
County
residences.
We
provide
also
Emergency
Medical
Services,
not
not
just
a
duplicator,
just
to
even
be
additive
to
what
Buncombe
County
does,
but
to
be
a
forced
multiplier.
They
literally
could
not
get
folks
to
the
hospital
without
the
fire
department's
role.
We
also
could
not
so
similarly
where,
where
the
multi-disciplinary
approach
would
focus
their
their
employees
that
are
doing
the
street
Outreach,
not
the
community
paramedics
that
are.
T
As
you
know,
you've
done
ride-ons
with
them
with
the
on
the
post,
overdose
response
and
the
medication
assisted
treatment.
We.
T
J
Guess,
flyer
understand
toolbox
and
that's
awesome.
J
Want
us
to
do
is
not
imagine
that
we
might
see
that
we're
actually
not
able
to
meet
the
Gap,
and
we
actually
should,
after
this
pilot,
expand
the
community.
Paramedicine
programs
with
the
county,
but
also
I,
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
the
right
tools
and
training
and
I
know
that
you're
going
to
do
that.
For
our.
H
J
Trust
that
I
just
I
think
it
would
be
unfortunate
if
our
community
is
like.
We
see
serious
crisis
around
mental
health,
behavioral
health
and
substance
use,
and
then
we
have
this
opportunity
to
meet
people
where
they
are,
but
we
we
have
to
make
sure
we
provide
the
critical
training,
so
I
think
that's
really
important.
There
was
something
the
last
thing
that
showed
up
in
the
slide
and
it
was
around
commercial
and
residential
areas,
and-
and
this
is
just
me
sharing
where
I'm
at
and
also
maybe
the
public
can
follow
along.
J
There
are
people
who
live
in
our
commercial
areas.
Downtown
is
a
neighborhood
right
and
we
know
that,
and
so
I
was
thinking
about
that
all
of
our
city
there's
all
kinds
of
people
with
different
abilities,
different
levels
of
Access
to
Health,
Care
and
housing,
who
have
safety,
needs
and
I.
Just
wonder
when
I
think
about
the
National,
Alliance
and
homelessness.
It's
just.
J
It
was
a
reminder
to
me
that
we
have
to
do
all
the
parts,
because
if
we
send
our
staff,
who
are
new
and
they've,
got
this
new
training
and
we're
going
to
send
them
on
this
pilot.
And
then
we
don't
have
an
emergency
shelter.
Then
we're
really
just
asking
you
all
to
move
people
around
and
that
adds
to
sleep
deprivation
and
creates
more
crisis
and
more
stress,
so
I
haven't
forgotten
that
this
is
just
one
part
of
the
puzzle
and
thank
you
for
helping
me
understand
it
better.
A
And
the
Hayek
subcommittee
on
shelter
space
continues
its
work
and
I'll
share
with
you.
Yesterday
we
toured
the
Salvation
Army
facility
downtown
and
they
have
rooms
filled
with
ready
beds
that
are
not
filled
because
they
don't
have
the
Staffing
capacity
and
the
funding
for
Staffing
so
definitely
been
a
really
educational
process
and
I
think
we'll
have
some
good
recommendations
coming
from
the
subcommittee
on
that
point.
H
Okay.
Well,
this
concludes
our
our
presentation.
In
just
one
comment:
at
the
environment
and
safety
committee
meeting
and
Deputy
fire
chief
Patrick
did
the
presentation.
Unfortunately,
he
had
a
conflict,
so
he
was
not
able
to
come
tonight
and
the
chief
filled
in
form
so.
A
D
B
Going
to
share
just
one
broad
observation
and
you
can
sit
down
I'm
not
going
to
ask
anything.
Thank
you
for
your
time
and
really
maybe
it's
a
Kudos
and
appreciation
for
the
city
manager,
but
I
know
I've
only
been
on
this
Council
for
two
years,
and
many
of
us
that
ran
were
running
on
this
idea
that
the
city
and
the
county
needed
to
partner
on
more
initiatives
we
needed
to
work
together
together.
Better
and
I
was
just
thinking
throughout
these
presentations
that
we're
doing
so
much
with
the
county,
whether
it's
housing
community
responders
reparations.
B
All
these
things
and
I
I
think
we
just
lost
Chief
Zach,
but
I
was
wondering
just
kind
of
an
out
loud
thought.
If
perhaps
there
is
room
for
greater
partnership
in
policing
in
that
way,
if
the
county
and
the
sheriff's
department
might
be
able
to
help
support
our
policing
and
I
was
just
going
to
put
it
out
there
I
know
we
lost
the
chief
and
I,
don't
need
a
response,
but
if
we're
doing
so
many
great
Partnerships-
and
we
have
this
shortage-
I
wonder
if
that's
an
opportunity
funny.
You
should
mention
that.
A
D
A
We
do
have
a
meeting
coming
up
to
explore
those
opportunities.
This
week,
I'm.
R
B
I
Good
evening,
again,
for
the
third
time,
mayor
and
Council,
Jay
Dundas
capital
projects
director
and
in
this
capacity
today,
serving
as
the
administrative
liaison
for
the
independent
Review
Committee.
I
Today
will
report
out
on
the
activities
today
and.
I
For
this
presentation
are
the
Committees
making
good
progress.
It
should
be
on
track
to
meet
the
30-day
timeline
for
delivery
of
the
final
report.
The
committee
is
principally
working
in
three
areas
which
include
communication,
water
system
and
then
emergency
response
and
operations,
and
then
delivery
and
final
report
tentatively
scheduled
for
the
end
of
May,
with
Council
presentations
in
June
I.
I
I
D
I
That
took
place
over
between
Christmas
and
New
Year's
and
past
New,
Year's
and
so
are
very
involved
and
and
interested
in
and
providing
the
the
findings
of
recommendations
that
are
of
the
expectation
for
the
final
report
subcommittees,
as
I
mentioned
in
the
key
takeaways
include
communication,
Focus
areas
being
internal
and
external
Communications,
Water
Systems
they're,
focusing
in
two
areas
with
related
to
water
system.
That
would
be
the
treatment
plant
operations
and
then
also
the
transmission
and
distribution
system
operations
and.
I
So
30
days
you
know
again,
this
goes
back
to
January
10th,
the
council's
appointments,
but
from
February
20th
the
committee
kicked
off
had
a
a
meeting
where
almost
all
members
were
able
to
attend
in
person.
We
had
a
couple
that
had
participate
remotely,
but
it
was
that
it
was
intended
to
be
a
kickoff
meeting
to
get.
H
I
And
kind
of
establish
a
path
forward
since
then,
the
committee
and
the
subcommittee's
subcommittees
have
been
again
addressing
those
Focus
areas
have
been
working
to
collect
information
via
individual
interviews
or
data
requests
to
be
able
to
provide
a
a
basis
for
moving
forward
in
their
investigations
and
and
then
also
trying
to
create
those
paths
forward.
So
they
can
be
efficient
in
trying
to
achieve
that.
90-Day
debt
March
1st,
we
had
a
roles
of
responsibilities,
meeting
to
kind
of
just
really
clarify
all
of
the.
I
What
all
the
participants
in
the
activities
and
you'll
see
that
there
are
others,
the
the
Committees,
the
the
focus
and
there
are
the
group
do
performing
the
work.
There
is
support
services
for
them.
I'll
go
through
that
a
little
bit
in
a
minute.
The
committee
had
a
check-in
meeting
prior
to
this
prior.
You
know
to
check
in
to
make
sure
that
they
were
comfortable
with
the
90
days
to
address
any
ideas
of
leading
to
make
any
requests
for
additional
time.
I
That
was
not
the
case
and
and
certainly
feel,
like
they're
capable
of
achieving
this
expectation
in
the
90-day
deadline.
So
looking
forward.
Obviously,
today
is
an
update
to
council
and
May
30th
would
be
the
tentative
delivery
day
for
the
final
presentation.
I
Additional
support
staff,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
include
myself
and
Beth
bikel
who's,
the
afd
business
manager.
We
have
been
hoping
to
Pride
connections
with
the
between
the
committee
and
and
any
kind
of
resources
they
need
in
internally,
and
that's
also
and
then
also
the
we
have
several
Consultants
that
we
are
currently
working
with
or
are
planning
to.
Work
with.
Kto
strategies
is
providing
a
coordination
of
facilitation
for
the
group
report
generation
and
the
technical
assistance
is
being
provided
by
McGill
Associates
and
again.
H
I
Recently
processed
the
model,
so
the
committee
asked
if
they
could
run
some
scenarios
with
regard
to
the
conditions
at
the
time
of
the
event
and
and
try
to
help
the
support
there
and
Alice
90-day
reporting
deadline.
Target
again
is
May,
30th
and
there'll
be
an
in-person
presentation.
The
findings
recommendation
by
city
council
at
the
first
available
meeting
in
June.
So
if,
if
that's
in
the
early
June,
sometimes
we
only
have
one
meeting
during
summer,
so
it
may
be
at
the
end
of
June.
That.
I
J
For
Brad,
I
think
I'm
hearing
a
lot
of
concern
about
these,
not
being
public
meetings
and
I
and
I
want
to
own
that,
like
during
the
water
outage.
That
was
also
the
Public's
concern,
so
matching
lack
of
public
information
with
lack
of
public
information,
I
think
has
given
folks
some
heartburn,
including
me.
If
we
are,
if
they're
dealing
with
like
really
sensitive
information
like
Personnel
information,
wouldn't
they
just
be
able
to
use
a
closed
session
and
I'm
honestly,
really
surprised
that
not
having
public
meetings
isn't
more
of
a
liability.
M
M
As
we
went
through
and
determined
the
scope
of
the
work
that
this
particular
commission
was
going
to
undertake,
it
became
quickly
apparent
to
City
staff
that,
in
order
for
them
to
effectively
review
what
happened,
they
needed
to
have
full
and
complete
access
to
all
of
the
records
Associated,
not
just
with
the
event,
but
the
city's
water
system
as
a
whole.
Currently
North
Carolina
law
actually
prevents
some
a
lot
of
the
information
around
our
water
system
due
to
its
existence
as
a
critical
piece
of
infrastructure.
There
is
federal
law
state
law
around
this.
M
That
essentially
says
You
must
keep
that
out
of
the
public
eye
in
order
to
maintain
the
security
of
those
particular
systems
in
order
for
us
to
navigate
around
that
limitation.
In
other
words,
if
we
had
a
public
meeting,
we
would
not
be
able,
in
each
of
those
meetings
to
give
access
to
the
commission
members.
All
of
this
material
that
we
felt
was
absolutely
essential
for
them
to
have
so.
M
But
given
this
body
publicly
in
an
open
meeting,
we
understand
certainly
that
there
is
more
than
a
little
public
interest
in
this,
and
we
wanted
to
ensure
the
public
that
any
final
opinions
coming
out
of
that
body
would
not
just
be
presented
at
an
update
like
this,
but
more
comprehensively
to
this
commission,
both
in
written
and
oral
form.
But
we
truly
believe
that,
due
to
the
current
laws,
limiting
the
public
access
to
many
of
the
materials
of
this
body
needed
the
only
way
for
them
to
have
full
and
complete
access
and
comprehensive
ability
to
analyze.
J
Hear
that
and
we
also
voted
to
appoint
their
members,
so
we
can
call
it
a
task
force
or
a
committee
which
we
do
in
this
presentation
and
I
think
that
it's
ultimately
a
missed
opportunity.
Even
if
we
just
provided
the
protection
of
every
single
meeting
being
a
closed
meeting,
it
would
still
be
noticed
and
it
would
have
some
legal
protection,
but
also
some
documentation
that
their
meetings
happened
and
some
basics
of
what
happens
if
those
meetings
could
be
reviewed
later.
So
once
again,
I'm
still
surprised
that
we're
like
risking
that
potential
liability.
M
Thank
you
for
that.
We
do
and
your
sentiments
are
well
taken
and
and
I
would
point
out
in
North
Carolina.
The
ability
to
go
into
closed
sessions
would
include
the
ability
to
discuss
these
particular
sensitive
information,
but
it
it
must
be
somewhat
surgically
applied
and
one
second.
They
could
be
talking
about
that
and
the
next
minute
talking
about
something
that
is
not
a
viable
closed
session.
M
So
we
felt
unless
they
were
constantly
staffed
with
legal
counsel,
that
it
would
be
highly
difficult
for
them
to
navigate
those
conversations
to
be
able
to
come
in
and
out
of
closed
session,
necessary
to
not
violate
those
restrictions
on
the
opposite
end,
where
they're
in
closed
session.
It's
something
that
again,
we've
gave
quite
a
bit
of
thought
to
and
tried
to
err
on
the
side
of
giving
the
commission
as
much
information
as
possible.
J
H
K
K
A
A
Hearing
our
first
public
hearing
is
a
public
hearing
to
consider
the
conditional
zoning
of
283
Merriman
Avenue
from
institutional
district
and
RMA
residential
multi-family,
medium
density,
District
to
institutional
District,
slash
conditional
Zone
to
allow
the
existing
surface
parking
to
be
used
for
office
and
other
uses
that
are
allowed
by
right
in
the
institutional
district
will.
Palmquest
is
going
to
tell
us
about
that.
U
Thank
you
mayor
good
evening,
members
of
council
will
Palmquist
with
planning
Urban
Design
I'll,
be
presenting
this
conditional
zoning
petition
for
the
property
known
as
283
Merriman
Avenue
the
site
of
the
former
Brookstone
Baptist
Church.
This
aerial
imagery
gives
you
an
idea
of
the
site
layout
of
the
property
located
at
the
corner
of
Merriman
Avenue
and
Annandale
Avenue,
and
backing
up
against
Henrietta
Street.
You
can
see
the
church
buildings
in
the
southwestern
Corner
parking
lots
to
the
North
and
the
East,
and
a
very
small
one-story
former
Residential
Building
in
the
Southeast
corner
of
the
site.
U
The
existing
zoning
is
a
combination
of
institutional
and
residential
multi-family,
medium
density,
rm8,
that's
kind
of
a
legacy
of
the
church,
buying
property
along
Henrietta,
Street
and
demolishing
single
family
houses,
which
then
retain
the
RMA
zoning.
So
that's
the
existing
zoning
what's
being
proposed
in
this
conditional
zoning
is
that
the
existing
institutional
zoning
would
remain
and
the
rear
of
the
site
would
be
ReSound
to
institutional
conditional
and
that
would
have
some
conditions
about
the
types
of
uses
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
U
The
future
land
use
of
the
site
is
as
well
split
between
a
combination
of
traditional
Corridor
on
the
front
and
then
traditional
neighborhood
in
the
rear.
No
change
is
recommended
at
this
time.
I'll
get
into
some
of
that
Nuance
a
little
bit
later
in
this
presentation,
the
proposed
site
plan
is
relatively
basic.
It
doesn't
really
have
any
Full
Construction
drawings,
as
that's
not
really.
U
The
intent
of
this
conditional
zoning
essentially
what's
being
proposed
is
that
the
existing
Church
buildings
would
remain,
and,
and
whatever
would
happen
in
that
building
would
happen
by
right
in
the
existing
institutional
zoning
district
there,
the
surface
parking,
that's
currently
zoned
rm8
would
be
rezoned,
with
the
condition
that
it
would
stay
surface
parking-
it's
not
currently
on
allowed
use
in
the
rm8
district.
The
fact
that
the
site
is
split,
Zone
kind
of
adds
more
ambiguity
to
that.
U
It's
not
handled
very
well
in
our
zoning
ordinance,
so
the
rezoning
would
kind
of
clean
up
that
potential
conflicts
in
that
zoning
and
then
that
very
small
one-story
single-family
house
structure
on
Annandale
Avenue
would
be
permitted
for
some
uses
within
the
institutional
zoning
District,
but
not
all
of
them.
Necessarily
so
this
is
kind
of
that
condition.
That's
worked
into
the
exhibitory
project
conditions
document
about
limiting
the
surface
parking
lot
to
remain
to
serve
the
uses
other
uses
on
the
property.
U
So
the
recommendation
here
you
know
oftentimes
with
when
there
is
a
mismatch
between
the
proposed
zoning
and
the
future
land
use.
We
could
amend
the
future
land
use
map
to
be
more
compatible
in
the
future
staff
feels
like
you
know,
keeping
it.
The
way
it
is
is
beneficial
for
a
couple
reasons,
one
of
which
is
that
it
kind
of
adds
some
protection
in
a
long-term
buffering
between
the
the
uses
along
Merriman
Avenue
and
the
residential
neighborhoods.
U
So,
while
this
rezoning
is
being
recommended
for
approval
by
staff
in
the
future,
if
another
rezoning
came
forward
and
there'd
be
changed,
the
future
land
use
at
this
stage
in
the
game
that
incompatibility
could
be
present
and
something
that
maybe
is
not
appropriate,
could
be
allowed
in
the
future.
U
So
staff
feels
there
is
some
compatibility
around
that
aspect
of
the
rezoning,
the
resulting
Supports
number
of
goals
in
the
city's
comprehensive
plan,
including
to
encourage
responsible
growth
by
prioritizing
growth
and
development
within
designated
growth
areas,
to
promote
great
architecture
and
Urban
Design,
to
enhance
Place
making
by
promoting
adaptive
reuse
as
a
means
of
conserving
materials,
history
and
embodied
energy
and
buildings,
and
to
enhance
parking
management
strategies
by
considering
zoning
strategies
that
locate
surface
parking
areas
to
the
rear
of
buildings
and
identified
Innovation
districts
and
along
Transit
supportive
corridors.
J
U
A
part
of
it
so
yeah
for
a
traditional
conditional
zoning
application
we'd
have
full
full
plans
for
the
conceptual
review.
This
was
more
of
a
way
to
have
the
applicant
insurer
to
the
public
that
you
know
as
opposed
to
a
straight
resorting
to
institutional,
which
could
you
know
open
open
the
possibilities
wider
than
what
would
be
appropriate.
U
In
this
case,
the
fact
that,
what's
being
proposed
or
considered
in
the
future
at
the
church
building
would
be
a
lab
by
right
in
the
institutional
Zone,
which
is
what
part
of
the
property
is
already
zoned
kind
of
is,
is
the
reason
that
this
is
a
little
bit
of
a
different
kind
of
conditional
zoning
in
that
regard,.
J
That
is
one
of
the
things
that
came
up
in
our
budget
preview
on
Thursday
is
the
potential
for
adaptive
reuse.
What
is
the
trend
going
to
be
as
folks
look
to
repurpose
some
of
these
buildings
that
have
historically
been
used
for
Faith
communities
to
gather
and
is
it
precedent,
setting
I
am
a
little
bit
concerned
that
we
would
have
precedent
setting
for
not
having
a
plan
and
supporting
something
that
didn't
get
through
pnz?
J
Can
you
tell
me
if,
when
I'm
looking
at,
like
the
community
benefits
of
doing
this,
with
kind
of
moving
into
a
murky
area,
what
would
be
the
impact
on
tree
canopy?
Would
we
see
it?
Would
it
stay
the
same?
Would
it
be
less?
Would
it
be
more
trees?
At
the
end
of
the
day,.
U
I
think
ultimately,
we'd
probably
have
more
trees
on
site.
At
the
end
of
the
day,
what's
probably
going
to
happen,
assuming
either
the
rezoning
is
approved
or
there's
another
way
forward
for
some
use
of
that
property
in
the
future
is
that
the
site
will
have
to
come
into
full
compliance
with
the
Udo.
If
the
building
value
is
increased
is
the.
If
the
proposed
work
increases,
the
building's
value
by
over
75
percent
and
or
other
criteria
are
met.
Then
the
Udo
requires
things
like
Street
trees,
parking
lot,
Landscaping
a
lot
of
yeah.
U
The
existing
conditions
is
is
from
older
zoning
codes
that
had
very
minimal
like
parking
lot.
Canopy
requirements
so
they'd
have
to
bring
up
the
code
in
that
regard.
They'd
have
to
meet
the
tree,
canopy
preservation
standards,
either
through
retention,
vmlu
plantings.
So,
ultimately,
if
the
project
happens
later
down
the
road
as
a
buy
right
development,
then
they'd
have
to
come
into
compliance
with
the
with
the
Udo.
J
So
I'm
hearing
the
other
thing
that's
giving
folks
pause
is
that
we
would
be
considering
moving
from
residential
zoning
to
non-residential
zoning
and
I.
Get
that
I'm
going
to
ask
this
for
because
it's
a
conditional
zoning
and
I
ask
every
time.
Is
there
a
plan
to
install
solar
to
help
us
partner
towards
our
carbon
reduction
goals?
I.
D
U
No,
we
do
not
discuss
that;
it's
only
something
that
could
be
considered
as
as
the
project
moves
forward.
Let
the
Afghan
speak
that
more.
If
they'd
like
as
well.
B
U
B
A
clarifying
question
or
comment:
it's
probably
Brad
here,
because
I
think
it's
a
little
concerning
that.
P
and
Z
also
thinks
this.
But
I've
heard
this
several
times,
but
my
understanding
is
legally
conditional.
Zoning
requests
are
not
required
to
submit
designs,
I
know
in
the
past.
It
has
appeared
this
way
because
we
often
get
them
and
then
we
have
situations
where
we
have
not
been
provided
them
and
we
tend
to
say
what's
wrong
here,
but
it's
actually
not
a
requirement.
Correct.
M
Yes,
that's
absolutely
correct
and
it's
it's
in
many
ways
very
similar
to
a
straight
rezoning
where
you
are
simply
taking
one
particular
zoning
category
and
changing
it
to
another
without
any
definitive
side
plan
or
use,
that's
actually,
historically
a
much
more
common
way
to
resume
but
oftentimes.
If
a
sap
plan
is
known,
you
will
see
that
fully
developed
plan.
But
it
is
not
a
legal
requirement.
A
D
A
J
A
I
I,
but
if
we
did
do
this
conditional
rezoning
for
this
just
this
piece,
if
in
the
future,
someone
said
we
wanna,
you
know
level
the
existing
building
on
the
rest
of
the
parcel,
which
is
a
church
and
offices.
If
and
we
want
to
just
propose
a
a
new
development
that
complies
with
the
existing
zoning,
which
is
institutional,
would
they
be
able
to
use
the
entire
site
include,
including
the
blue
area
and
just
meet
the
buy
right
requirements
for
institutional.
U
No,
they
would
have
to
retain
the
surface
parking
that's
shown
in
blue
here.
So
basically,
the
this
condition
is
going
to
kind
of
lock
in
that
rear
section
of
the
properties
only
being
parking
and
then
that
one
smaller
building,
essentially,
they
could
do
anything
by
right
in
the
institutional
in
the
other
portion.
But.
U
So,
regarding
there's
kind
of
two
reasons,
the
first
is
that
you
know
surface
parking
is
not
a
allowed
permanent
principal
use
in
the
RMA
District,
which
is
what
that
blue
area
is
currently
zoned.
Now
it
wouldn't
be
the
Principal
use
of
that
site,
but
the
fact
that
it's
not
allowed
and
by
itself
traditionally,
and
also
that
the
property
is
split,
zoned
kind
of
makes
the
determination
whether
it's
you
know
an
allowed
use
within
that
site,
a
little
bit
murky.
I
think.
U
A
So
So
currently
I
mean
that
property
has
been
used
in
that
way
for
I,
don't
know
how
many
years
right
since
80,
whatever
yeah,
and
so
it's
non-conforming
right
right
now.
So
so
it's
going
to
transfer
to
a
new
owner
who's
going
to
use
the
church
building,
but
they're
not
going
to
use
it
as
a
church,
but
a
church
or
an
office
would
comply
with
institutional
zoning
right
correct.
So
why?
Why,
since
they're
not
substantially
changing
the
property,
can
the
non-conforming
use
not
just
continue?
Why
is
it
necessary?
I
mean
am
I.
O
A
U
That's
probably
why
the
resulting
never
happened
in
the
past
is
because
it
wasn't
necessary.
I
will
try
to
clarify
and
I
think
if
I
understand
what
you're
asking
that
that
small
existing
building
on
Annandale
is
Zone
rm8
and
it
was
used
as
a
church
function
and
that
might
may
or
may
not
be
within
the
RMA
zoning.
It's
not
conforming.
But
if
an
office
or
other
kind
of
smaller
retail.
U
Properly
yeah,
so
let's
say
office
or
a
veterinarian
or
a
spa
or
a
dentist
want
to
be
located
there.
They
could
not
do
that
under
the
existing
zoning,
so
that
would
allow
for
a
very
limited
number
of
uses
from
institutional
to
happen
in
that
small
building.
J
A
Here
and
certainly
add
to
my
understanding
so
so,
but
just
to
summarize
here,
this
whole
exercise
is
required
because
the
property
will
not
be
a
church
and
they
might
want
to
do
something
with
that
house
thing
that
I'm
calling
a
house
thing,
because
the
church
is
using
it
not
as
a
house.
But
it
looks
like
a
house
correct
because
they
will
be
on
the
new
owners
are
not
going
to
be
a
church
and
they
might
want
to
use
that
small
building
in
a
way.
That
would
not
be
a
house
correct.
A
A
Up
I
know
they
are
but
I
I,
just
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
from
staff
exactly
why
we
have
to
go
through
this
exercise.
If
the
idea
is
that
this
property
is
just
gonna,
stay
like
it
is
and
be
operated
by
a
new
owner
they're
not
even
going
to
change
the
footprint
of
the
main
building,
they're
gonna,
it's
gonna
be
a
new
owner,
that's
not
a
church
and
but
for
I
think
what
I
hear
you
saying
will
is,
but
for
the
little
house
that's
not
a
house,
it
wouldn't
be
necessary.
U
Yeah,
that's
a
fair
statement:
I,
don't
think
staff
really
got
full
resolution
regarding
the
non-conforming
parking
lot
parking
lot
issue
and
the
ability
of
that
to
serve
a
future
use
in
the
institutional
building.
Reply
would
have
spent
more
time
getting
at
a
very
final
answer
on
that,
if
not
for
that
small
building
which
needed
a
conditional
zoning
anyway.
So
we
recommended
the
applicant
that
this
condition.
A
So
you
guys
were
going
to
have
to
figure
out
whether
or
not
you
were
going
to
allow
the
non-conforming
parking
lot
to
support
the
use
of
the
existing
Church
for
an
office
use.
But
you
hadn't
decided,
but
they
said
whatever.
Let's
do
this
conditional
zoning
because
we
got
the
little
house,
not
house.
R
I
just
want
to
ask
a
quick
question:
okay,
so
if
I
can
by
changing
it
to
a
conditional
zoning,
the
chances
of
them
being
able
to
sort
of
make
that
one
whole
lot,
rather
than
the
separate
lot,
which
would
make
it
more
conducive.
If
the
developer
is
going
to
do
a
cost,
I
mean
the
loans
of
whatever
to
do
different
things
to
the
building.
So
would
that
be
a
reason
to
make
sure
you
can
get
it
zoned
into
one
lot
with
a
conditional
zoning?
R
It's
a
split
Zone!
That's
what
I'm
saying,
but
if
you've
got
a
residential
split
Zone
with
a
commercial
and
you're
trying
to
actually
get
financing
in
order
to
support
a
project
that
has
to
have
the
parking
you're
going
to
have
just
still
going
to
need
that
you're
not
going
to
be
able
to
do
it
with
the
residential
partial.
U
K
R
A
A
We
had
a
lot
of
questions
if
you
think
you
can
shed
any
more
light
on
it.
Please
feel
free.
N
Hi,
my
name
is
Brian
Moffett
with
ARCA
design,
so
the
Udo
actually
allows
a
church
to
park
in
any
Zone,
so
they
can
park.
So
it's
not
a
non-conforming
use.
It
is
a
conforming
use
within
the
Udo
for
the
church
to
park
on
that
zone.
Oh,
but
it
is
not,
would
be
a
non-conforming
use
for
an
Institutional
use
on
that
zone,
and
this
is
where
it
gets
weird,
because
it's
a
split
Zone
parcel
right.
N
So
it's
a
single
parcel,
but
it
is
if
it
was
if
the
existing
church
building
was
converted
to
another,
an
office
use
or
something
like
that,
then
it
is
unclear
in
the
Udo
if
they
would
be
able
to
park
on
that
rma8
piece
of
the
parcel.
So.
N
We
did-
and
this
is
the
part
this
is
the
process
that
that
that
led
us
to
hear
which
was:
let's
just,
do
a
CZ
on
that
piece.
It
can
only
it
can
only
be
parking,
it
can
only
be
parking
that
coincides
with
that.
Existing
institutional
use.
A
N
A
N
N
Again,
we're
we're
looking
at
multiple
uses
for
both
for
both
structures,
both
the
well
the
existing
main
church
building
and
that
building,
but
the
conditions
for
the
CZ
limit.
What
the
house
can
be
used
for,
even
within
the
institutional
structures
which
are
in
the
exhibit.
N
I,
don't
since
this
CZ
specifically
mentions
that
existing
one-story
structure
I,
think
that
would
well
that.
M
If
I
may,
I
may
be
able
to
add
some
clarity
to
this,
so
it
is
a
split
Zone
parcel,
as
you
mentioned
right
now,
with
the
primary
parcel
being
already
zoned
institutional,
where
the
church
in
its
previous
use
sets
and
that
building
still
sits.
The
other
one
will
just
call
the
second
law,
which
is
owned
residential
currently,
including
large
parking
lot
in
the
small
building.
In
order
for
that
building
that
small
building
to
be
used
as
one
of
these
potential
uses,
it.
M
In
some
way,
so
it
could
have
been
a
straight
rezoning,
but
the
straight
rezoning
would
have
given
much
less
Clarity
going
forward
to
what
you're
seeing
now,
in
other
words,
because
of
the
CZ
element
to
it,
you
are
able
to
limit
the
use
of
that
particular
building
to
these
items.
Instead
of
anything
that
could
have
existed
within
CZ,
you.
F
M
Are
limiting
the
parking
to
stay
the
same
as
opposed
to
being
completely
redeveloped
without
any
additional
input
from
staff,
so
a
zoning
of
some
type
would
be
required
in
order
to
correct
what
is
the
split
zoning?
The
CZ
adds
the
limiting
factors
to
both
the
use
of
that
existing
small
structure
and
the
parking
in
its
current
form
without
any
future
zonings
to
change
that
and.
A
M
J
Well,
it's
that
and
okay
I,
don't
see
a
restaurant
on
here,
for
example,
and
I-
don't
see
short-term
rental
on
here,
for
example,
so
I'm
intrigued
by
the
idea
that
folks
would
push
back
that
we
don't
want
to
change
from
residential
use
to
commercial
use.
However,
resilient
neighborhoods
aren't
just
housing,
they
include
child
care
offices,
doctors,
so
I
am
curious
about.
If
we
can
address
the
neighborhood
concerns
on,
are
there
plans
to
keep
the
trees
on
Henrietta
Street,
and
can
we
get
some
partnership
work
done
around
renewable
energy.
W
Addressing
the
trees,
I,
don't
think,
there's
any
plan
to
take
the
trees
out
and
and
I
wanted
to
follow
up
on
a
couple
of
questions
and
kind
of
tie.
Those
up
when
we
run
into
this.
This
issue
with
the
non-conforming
uses
in
this
kind
of
split
Zone
piece,
and
we
ask
questions
of
Staff,
both
legal
and
planning
staff,
and
they
come
up
with
a
solution.
W
If
there's
a
solution
like
this,
that
cleans
up
some
uncertainty
for
them,
we're
happy
to
do
that
and
that's
you
know
how
you
end
up
in
a
situation
like
this
with
a
very
discreet
parcel
here.
You
know
the
project
says
3.4
Acres,
but
it's
really
0.785
Acres
that
we're
really
talking
about,
because
the
front
part
isn't
part
of
the
rezoning
request.
It's
just
that
and
you
will
not
see
many
if
any
conditions
tighter
than
the
conditions
here.
The
proposal
for
this
project,
this
parcel
is
to
do
nothing.
W
Leave
the
parking
leave
the
building
where
it
is
and
allow
these
uses
that
are
institutional
uses.
Just
like
that,
the
front
of
the
parcel,
the
Adaptive
reuse
piece,
we
are
seeing
more
of
that.
W
I
think
those
are
great
questions
I,
along
with
some
folks
at
Beverly,
Grant
and
Central
United,
Methodist
Church
or
in
this
Duke
Divinity
program
across
the
state
and
we're
looking
at
this
exact
issue
with
churches
and
how
they
can
meet
their
mission,
raise
money
to
do
things
that
they
want
to
do
with
the
church
and
use
these
buildings
that
are
already
there
in
these
parking
lots
that
are
already
there.
W
This
is
the
perfect
example
I'm
going
to
take
it
back
when
I
go
back
down
to
Durham
as
a
real
world
example
of
how
this
works
and
how
it
succeeds.
W
Then
do
golf
courses
then,
to
golf
courses
in
terms
of
working
with
staff
on
doing
things
like
addressing
neighborhood
business
concerns
and
sustainability
of
those
pieces.
I
know
the
developer
has
committed
to
doing
those
things.
There
are
questions
about
site
plan,
compliance
for
the
site.
The
change
in
use
is
going
to
dictate
that,
and
so
we
expect
full
code
ordinance
level.
One
site
plan
compliance
as
we
go
forward
with
this,
so
those
concerns
will
be
met
across
the
entirety
of
the
site.
B
B
W
Well,
our
Lupa,
which
is
in
the
same
thing,
the
religious
land
institution,
use.
W
Act
says
you
can't
apply
zoning
ordinance
to
churches
and
there
are
a
whole
bunch
of
reasons
why?
But
you
end
up
with
these
pieces
and
these
questions
about
what's
a
church
use
parking
as
a
church
use,
and
so
that's
how
you
end
up
with
this
and
you
end
up
with
houses
that
I
don't
know
why
they
were
turned
down.
I.
W
K
You
guys
have
more
I'll,
say
one
thing
just
of
and
I
don't
know
that.
There's
an
answer,
but
I
hear
that
we
got
to
like
a
technical
reason
of
the.
Why
and
as
a
split
Zone,
it's
just
really
hard
for
me
to
look
at
half
of
it
without
understanding
the
context
of
the
other
half,
which
is
three
quarters
already
parking
so
I.
K
Just
it
just
feels
kind
of
like
an
incomplete
request
for
me
that
I
don't
know
how
to
say
it
in
in
Udo
speak,
but
it
just
seems
like
I'm,
not
really
understanding
Why,
without
seeing
the
big
picture
of
the
vision
for
the
site
and
I
understand
that
the
pretenses,
in
order
to
invest
in
this
site
that
you
want
this
CZ,
but
I
just
don't
have
a
lot
of
clarity
on
it,
which
makes
me
I,
don't
know
to
move
something
from
this
is
my
neighborhood
right
so,
like
I
know
that
parcel
I
know
those
trees
I've
been
through
that
parking
lot
a
bajillion
times
on
my
way
to
Del
Vecchios
to
get
pizza
pick
up,
there's
just
like
a
lot
of
parking
there
already,
and
some
of
the
initial
conversation
was
like
well
to
do
what
we're
going
to
do
on
the
other
parcel.
K
B
I'm
kind
of
just
like
what
is
this
network
the
developer
briefly
and
asked
about?
If
we
had
an
image
up,
you
would
see
Merriman
Avenue
and
our
bike
lanes
are
nearby,
but
you
wouldn't
see
any
kind
of
Frontage
on
Merriman
just
parking
spaces
which,
for
a
corridor
is
never
great
right.
So
what
I
originally
said?
Well,
what
about
this
Merriman
Avenue
Frontage?
Are
you
ever
going
to
do
anything
there,
and
the
answer
was
the
same
like
we
need
the
parking,
but
in
the
future
we
will
not
need
all
of
this
parking.
K
B
Think
in
the
future
of
this,
we
might
have
need
less
parking,
but
when
I
met
with
him,
it
sounded
like
they
wanted
to
do.
Some
medical
facilities
bring
some
more
small
business
to
the
area
and
the
parking
was
needed,
but
my
concern
was
that
losing
that
RMA
RMA
structure
the
vacuum.
My
concern
was
no
Frontage
along
Merriman
Avenue,
but
we
can't
make
them
do
that
in
these
conditional
zoning
processes
are
meant
for
us
to
come
to
agreement
like
we
can't
tell
them
to
do
something
they
have
to
be
willing
to
do
it.
B
B
W
This
one
you've
got
certainty
on
the
front
piece
that
you're
gonna
have
level
one
compliance
and
so
you're
gonna
have
Street
trees
and
parking
lot
trees
and
all
kinds
of
the
stuff
that
go
with
that
level.
One
compliance
on
the
back
you
know
kind
of
the
options
are
right
now,
circling
back
to
something
that
I
thought
we'd
put
to
bed,
but
just
to
put
it
out
there.
If
you
have
this
parking
lot,
that's
a
non-conforming
use,
but
it's
already
built.
W
How
are
you
going
to
stop
people
from
parking
and,
if
that's
a
facility
for
their
offices,
we're
going
to
send
our
planning
folks
out
there
to
deal
with
that?
No,
that's!
Not
really
a
good
solution,
so
I
think
this
really
cleans
it
up
from
a
planning
enforcement
standpoint
and
one
thing
I
wanted
to
bring
up
to
council
councilman
Roney.
We
can't
commit
to
a
condition
to
keep
those
trees
along
Henrietta.
W
So
if
we
can
add
that
in
and
while
we're
adding
things
in
or
admitting
that
ordinance
I
think
we
need
to
insert
the
word
for
a
portion
of
the
property
in
the
title
of
it.
That
might
be
more
clear.
Even
though
it's
refers
to
that
exhibit
A1
and.
W
W
D
A
A
X
This
doesn't
make
any
sense
to
me.
I
I
went
over
to
looked
at
the
giant,
asphalt
parking
lot
by
Brookstone
and
account
150
parking
places
plus
15
on
Annandale,
so
165
parking
places
the
building
is,
they
say:
they're
not
going
to
tear
the
building
down
they're
just
going
to
use
the
existing
footprint,
but
mayor
I
think
you
were
on
to
the
right
track,
because
I
couldn't
understand
why
you
wouldn't
want
a
million
dollars
of
residential
lots.
X
Why
would
you
just
keep
a
parking
lot
and
then
I
realized
that
if
you
there's
also
this
conditional
zoning
I
just
think
it's?
If
you
give
them
that
and
then
they
choose
to
do
whatever
they
want
with
the
institutional
zoning
on
Brookstone,
then
the
parking
lot.
This
extra
parking
lot
will
have
to
always
be
a
parking
lot,
because
it'll
all
be
developed.
They'll
have
to
have
it,
but
back
to
the
square
footage.
This
the
church
is
29
000
square
feet.
You
take
75
percent
of
that
get
rid
of
hallways
bathrooms.
X
Mechanical
you
get
21
000
square
feet.
If
everyone
drove
one
car
and
parked
there,
165
people
worked
there.
It's
130
square
feet
per
person.
That's
without
this
extra
parking
lot,
so
it
doesn't
make
any
sense.
I
think
that
there
is
a
plan
to
do
something
on
the
lot
and
that's
why
they
want
this
parking
in
the
back.
Brookstone
did
a
big
destruction
to
Asheville.
X
X
A
We
do
not
have
anyone
else
signed
up
to
speak
under
this
item.
I
will
close
the
public
hearing
per.
T
A
A
That
was
that,
so
do
do
anybody
want
to
make
a
motion?
What
do
you
want
to
do
here.
V
O
A
move
to
approve
the
conditional
zoning
request
for
the
property
located
at
283,
Merriman
Avenue
from
institutional
and
residential
multi-family,
medium
density
to
institutional
and
institutional,
consist
conditional,
Zone
and
find
that
the
request
is
reasonable
is
in
the
public.
Interest
is
consistent
with
the
city's
comprehensive
plan
and
meets
the
development
needs
of
the
community.
In
that
the
request
one
provides
infill
development
and
targeted
growth.
B
My
mind
I
would.
M
I
would
suggest
council
member
Mosley
that
the
two
offered
amendments
be
included
if
you're
willing
into
the
motion
the
first
one
being
that
the
conditional
zoning
only
refers
to
the
what
I'm
calling
the
Eastern
portion
of
the
property.
That
is
approximately
0.75
Acres
I,
believe
and
then
the
second
that
the
condition
be
included.
Preserve
the
trees
currently
existing
on
Marietta
Street.
K
A
B
A
Know
I,
you
know
my
biggest
concern.
We
don't
know
what
the
use
of
the
church
property
is,
and
I
still
have
like
PTSD
from
the
rezoning
of
the
church
on
Charlotte
Street
to
be
used
for
a
dog
therapy
which
brought
hundreds
of
people
out,
and
there
was
an
opportunity
to
weigh
in
on
that
decision.
We
would
be
releasing
our
if
I
understand
this
correctly.
The
way
this
is
working,
we
would
be
releasing
our
opportunity
to.
J
K
B
B
B
W
Well,
I
want
to
address
a
couple
things:
one.
The
existing
structure,
that
is
there,
takes
up
a
portion
of
that
0.785
Acres.
So
we're
really
talking
about
something,
that's
more
like
a
half
an
acre
in
terms
of
the
rm8.
That's
out
there,
if
it,
if
it
matters
on
this
request,
I
think
that
we
could
add
in
the
condition
that,
in
addition
to
parking
on
the
entirety
of
that
that
it
could
the
entirety
of
it
could
be
used
for
residential,
in
addition
to
those
uses
that
are
outlined
for
that
specific
building.
K
What
would
that
so
that
it
would
allow
RMA
to
stay.
W
J
A
M
H
O
M
I
think
what
what
you
would
want
to
do
is
with
the
applicants.
Agreement
is
amend
the
condition
that
preserves
the
parking
area
within
the
affected
portion
of
the
property
to
remove
the
parking
preservation
requirement
and
allow
all
the
available
mutually
agreed
upon
uses
previously
listed,
plus
residential.
W
I
think
if
we
take
the
condition
and
simply
take
out
the
with
the
exception
part,
and
so
the
condition
would
read
the
use
of
the
portion
of
the
property
Zone
institutional
conditional
zone
is
limited
to
surface
parking
to
serve
other
uses
on
the
property
and
the
following
principal
uses
which
are
allowed
in
the
institutional
zoning
District,
and
then
those
lists
that
are
already
there
yeah
I
think
that
gets
us
home.
Yep
I
would
agree.
D
B
O
D
M
T
O
W
W
Yeah
and
I
think
that's
how
that
condition
should
read.
I
would
say
for
so
long
as
the
property
is
not
developed
as
a
residential
property.
Those
trees
along
Henrietta.
So.
M
M
O
U
After
Jack
for
a
second
here,
but
just
want
to,
you
know,
make
clear
that
adding
those
additional
uses
to
the
parking
lot
area
you
know,
would
raise
the
potential
for
other
uses
in
a
larger
capacity
than
what's
currently
there
or
would
be
allowed
under
the
existing
rm8
zoning.
So
just
to
kind
of
so.
U
Saying
that
the
existing
parking
lot
at
the
rear
can
be
other
uses.
In
addition,
the
residential
could
add
some
more
intensity
of
use
above
and
what
above
and
beyond,
what's
currently
allowed.
F
B
A
Okay,
we
got
a
motion.
A
second
we've
already
had.
Is
everybody
good
all
right,
all
those
in
favor,
please
say
aye
aye
any
opposed
wow.
B
A
A
Y
Y
Plan
is
really
striving
to
build
on
existing
assets,
guiding
future
growth
and
connecting
and
serving
the
neighborhoods
around
it,
and
the
vision
is
here:
I'm
not
going
to
read
that
entire
thing
for
you,
but
really
building
on
assets
is
kind
of
what
we're
is
the
key
Point
here.
It's
not
a
big
sexy
plan
with
lots
of
fancy
drawings,
we're
really
trying
to
make
it
a
sustainable
place,
good
place
for
businesses
and
and
all
other
great
things
so
really
quickly.
Some
background
this
plan
was
started
before
the
pandemic.
Y
We
had
numerous
meetings,
we
had
a
charette.
We
also
had
a
pop-up
Studio
on
Cox
avenue.
We
were
in
a
building
there.
For
a
couple
months,
we
had
an
advisory
committee
that
gave
feedback
on
drafts
and
helped
develop
the
concepts
and
the
plan
we
released
it
last
year
and
collected
a
lot
of
comments
and
additional
comment
was
received
later
in
the
year
and
I'll
I'll
go
into
that
later
on
near
the
end
of
the
slideshow.
So
here's
just
some
pictures
from
our
public
input
sessions
and
that
pop-up
Studio.
Y
It
was
a
lot
of
fun
doing
that.
This
is
the
vicinity
map
that
has
changed
over
time
after
consultation
with
neighborhoods
over
the
last
couple
months.
Basically,
this
the
boundaries.
This
is
a
study
area
boundary.
It
is
not
saying
that
everything
in
this
boundary
is
the
South
slope.
This
neighborhood
we're
trying
to
make
clear
that
neighborhoods
are
an
integral
integral
and
we're
not
trying
to
harm
any
Integrity
of
the
neighborhoods
the
plan.
It
seeks
to
kind
of
make
these
neighborhoods
more
connected
to
the
business
district.
Y
So
here's
a
little
bit
of
a
kind
of
a
closer
up.
Look
on
this
as
I
said.
There's
five
main
themes
and
I
will
go
through
them,
hopefully
quickly,
the
first
one
and
then
there's
ten
key
initiatives
we'll
come
to
that.
The
first
one
is
quality
built
environment,
so
we're
trying
to
celebrate
the
the
great
parts
that
are
already
there,
but
at
the
same
time
reinforce
Urban
form.
Parts
of
this
District
were
subject
to
urban
renewal,
and
so
we
have
along
Ashland
and
McDowell.
Y
We
have
a
very
Suburban
form
and
that
comes
from
urban
renewal.
So,
instead
of
and
a
lot
of
those
were
single-family
houses,
I
think
most
of
us
know
many
of
us
know,
but
so
instead
we
have
a
lot
of
parking
lots
on
Ashland
and
McDowell
with
with
buildings,
so
we're
trying
to
make
that
a
little
bit
more
urban.
So
it's
more
walkable,
safe
and
and
works
for
everyone.
Y
Y
The
plan
mentions
a
you
know:
a
business
incubator
or
bipoff
owned
businesses,
and
also
creating
some
physical
infrastructure
to
support
those
businesses.
Housing
is
also
a
part
of
a
local
economy,
and-
and
so
there
are
some
strategies
in
here
for
supporting,
affordable
housing,
multimodal
transportation,
safe
and
accessible
pedestrian
friendly
streets.
Y
And
there's
alleys
in
this
area
also,
that
could
also
be
a
really
great
livable
piece
of
the
area:
strategic
infrastructure
and
natural
environments,
green
infrastructure
to
mitigate
flooding
and
improve
water
quality.
One
thing
you
may
not
know
about
this
area
is
that
most
downtown
excuse
me
drains
through
this
this
area,
so
it
drains
kind
of
down
Cox,
Avenue
and
then
are
in
the
Town
East
on
the
old
Maps.
Y
It's
called
Town,
ditch
or
nasty
branch,
and
then
it
feeds
into
the
South
Side,
neighborhood
and
South
Side
neighborhood
is
also
very
concerned
about
flooding,
so
the
more
that
we
can
slow
down
water
capture
it
improve
the
water
quality.
We
also
can
help
our
neighbors
in
in
the
South
Side
neighborhood.
Y
There
are
also
10
key
initiatives,
so
these
are
all
built
on
those
five
themes:
they're
more
specific
ideas:
I
am
not
going
through
all
10
of
these,
but
just
a
few
highlights
the
plan
calls
for
updating
design
guidelines
and
Zoning
to
achieve
Community
goals
and
the
one
this
is
was
a
night.
This
was
one
thing.
We
really
spent
a
lot
of
time
talking
with
the
Oakhurst
neighborhood
in
South
French
Broad
neighborhood
in
East,
End
Valley,
Street
neighborhoods
will
be
included
on
the
front
end
of
any
of
these
initiatives.
Y
So
the
plan
does
not
call
for
specific
districts
and
it
has
a
range
of
heights
being
proposed,
but
again,
neighborhoods
and
property
owners
in
the
area
have
to
be
at
the
table
at
the
very
beginning
of
those
processes.
Y
One
thing
I
will
say
is
that
Neighbors
on
both
sides
of
this
area
are
concerned
about
noise
traffic
parking
and
uses.
So
those
some
of
we've
got
a
number
of
tools.
We
can
help
with
that
transition
areas.
High
transitions,
landscape,
buffers
which
the
CBD
doesn't
have
right
now
those
kinds
of
things
honoring,
African-American
history.
You
know
parts
of
this
District
really
were
part
of
the
African-American
Community.
This
is
the
picture
on.
Y
The
bottom
is
the
Bailey
Street
School,
which
was
on
Ashland
Avenue,
and
it
was
torn
down
in
the
early
50s
and
above
is
oats
Park,
which
was
just
outside
the
boundary
of
this
plan,
but
it
was
where
the
African-American
baseball
team
Asheville
had
a
professional
African-American
team
that
played
there
there's
a
number
of
initiatives
going
on
around
African-American
history,
but
it's
great
to
weave
it
into
what's
already
happening
in
this
area,
developing
city-owned
property
for
affordable
housing
and
job
creation.
You
all
know
about
these.
Y
This
is
kind
of
a
model
of
what
319
Biltmore
could
look
like
on
the
bottom
right
and
on
the
upper
left.
This
is
outside
of
our
district
but
or
outside
of
the
study
area,
but
along
South
Charlotte
Street.
We
have
City
on
land,
319
just
turned
in
their
plan,
so
they
will
be
heading
towards
you
in
the
next
couple
of
months,
enacting
Equitable
development
to
benefit
the
larger
Community.
Y
Y
Development
happens
and
we
know
money
is
coming
into
our
community.
So
how
can
we
make
it
benefit
people
who
are
already
here
and
lastly,
making
Cox
avenue
a
green
Main
Street?
We
actually
already
have
funding
for
the
design
of
this,
and
that
project
is
starting
again.
This
is
part
of
that
we're
hoping
to
treat
and
slow
down
storm
water
in
this
area.
It
also
calls
for
wider
sidewalks
a
lot
more
trees.
Y
Y
The
initial
round
of
public
comment.
We
got
close
to
5
000
comments
on
the
plan
from
276
people.
Many
of
those
folks
lived
in
or
near
the
study
area
and
generally
people
liked
a
lot
of
the
strategies
in
the
plan.
There's
a
desire
for
a
local
grocery
store,
supporting
local
businesses
and
not
surprisingly,
there
are
concerns
about
growth
and
tourism
and
the
impacts
on
the
surrounding
neighborhoods.
Y
So
our
second
round
of
public
comment
where
we
really
worked
with
the
neighborhoods
I,
probably
said
some
of
this
already,
but
we
worked
with
the
three
neighborhood
South
French
Broad,
East,
End,
Valley,
Street
and
Oakhurst
in
the
fall
and
over
the
winter.
We
changed
some
of
the
language
clarifying
why
the
plan
boundaries
are
there
and
that
it's
not
meant
to
Rebrand
anybody's
neighborhood.
Y
C
D
B
D
J
Y
At
their
association
meeting
and
talk
to
them
about
the
plan,
but
they
weren't
engaged
in
the
same
way
as
the
other
three
neighborhoods,
the
other
three
and
I'm
going
by
the
boundaries
these
neighborhoods
have
turned
into
this
city.
You
know
the
other.
Their
boundaries
don't
overlap
at
all,
and
you
know
when
we
started
this
plan.
Y
I
know
you
knew
this.
When
we
started
this
plan,
they
were
still
kind
of
forming
their
organizations
right.
D
A
J
Y
Well,
I
think
the
pictures
there,
because
there's
a
night
some
of
the
ideas
we
heard
from
people.
Then
there
were
some
folks
in
South
Side
who
participated
in
the
original
engagement.
It
wasn't
as
an
organization,
it
was
as
individuals
and
some
of
the
ideas.
I
remember
very
clearly
were
about
Community
Gardens
and
so
that
that
picture
is
more
of
an
example
of
what
the
plan
is
suggesting.
It's
not.
P
Y
P
P
I
don't
have
the
time
to
show
up
to
interject,
but
I
got
a
message
this
week
about
from
some
non-residential
community
members.
The
information
is
kind
of
overwhelming.
To
me
they
did
say
that
some
of
the
plan
would
not
affect
the
residential
spaces,
but
the
commercial
spaces
would
be
effect,
impacted
should.
Y
Y
Y
F
Y
Sorry,
when
I
went
and
talked
to
them,
I
discussed
with
them.
How
East
End
Valley
Street
asked
us
to
change.
D
Y
This
is
what
the
boundary
is,
so
we
have
official
quote:
unquote:
City
boundaries
that
people
have
turned
into
the
city,
Neighborhood
Services
Program,
but
then
there's
also
What
the
residents
think
of
as
their
boundaries.
So
what
we
heard
from
East
End
Valley
Street
was
like
Hey.
The
block
is
actually
a
part
of
East
End
like
to
them.
That's
always
been
true,
and
the
people
on
the
Block
know
that
and
they
acknowledge
that
and
it's
in
there
I
think
I.
P
Ashland
Avenue
and
I
know
Sandra
might
have
a
little
closer
history
to
the
original
thoughts
of
what
the
boundaries
are.
Y
I'm
getting
there
okay,
so
I
explained
all
of
this
to
South
Side
United.
When
I
was
there
and
I
said
you
know
part
of
the
reason
we
called
it.
South
slope,
a
South
Side
neighborhood
is
because
we
know
that
a
big
portion
of
this
area
was
considered
or
is
considered
by
some
people
to
be
South
Side.
To
call
this
plan,
a
South
Side
plan
would
be
very
confusing
to
people,
and
so
we
didn't
want
to
go
down
that
road,
because.
F
Y
It
is
commercial
areas
only
now,
so
we
are
north
of
Choctaw,
which
is
their
you
know,
I
think
we
could
have
whole
discussions
around
the
South,
French
Broad
and
South
Side
boundary
and
part
of
that
Lee,
Walker
Heights.
You
know,
I
think
this
map
this
map
and
this
plan
is
not
trying
to
forever
stamp
what
neighborhoods
are.
A
R
Broad,
expansion
is
what
because
that's
what
I
was
looking
at,
because,
where
the
like
Ashland
and
south
side,
and
all
that
that
was
all
part
of
South
side
but
I'm.
Looking
here
and
it's
become
part
of
the
Southbridge
Broad.
Y
R
Y
Yes,
it's
not
it's
not
me
so
I
will
say
when
I
Met
originally
years
ago,
with
a
couple
leaders
when
it
was
Southside,
Rising
and
I
said
you
know,
because
they
are
planning
on
doing
a
plan
at
some
point
in
the
future
and
I
said
to
them.
You
know
if
your
boundaries
come
over
part
of
this
area.
That's
completely
fine,
like
it
doesn't
stop
you.
This
plan
will
not
stop
you
from
making
a
plan
for
areas
to
me
like
I.
Y
R
H
P
Terms
of
no
I
don't
think
we
talked
about
geographical
boundaries,
I.
Think
from
what
I'm
interpreting
her
message
to
be
is
there
are
some
commercial
spaces
right
on
the
border
that
might
be
impacted
by
the
plan
and
these
commercial
owners
the
the
owners,
the
business
owners
are
a
part
of
South
Side
anointed,
and
they
were
not
represented
the
day
that
you
came
and
gave
your
presentation.
O
K
K
This
is
a
vision
plan,
that's
about
as
like
far
range
of
a
plan
that
we
have
and
moving
at
the
speed
of
trust
is
pretty
powerful,
especially
when
you're
thinking
about
vision.
It
seems
like
you
know
this.
This
has
been
in
the
making
for
quite
some
time,
and
you
know,
I
just
joined
this
dice
recently
and
so
I
feel
a
sense
of
folks
being
really
excited
to
move
forward
and
it's
not
like.
We
have
like
a
bunch
of
budget
ready
to
go
tomorrow.
S
K
D
B
But
I
don't
want
to
not
acknowledge
this
concern,
I'm,
not
sure
if
it's
something
that
could
be
handled
after
a
vote.
Yeah.
P
Yeah
I
just
don't
want
to
undermine
our
intention
to
honor
the
South
Side
Community,
their
history
and
the
members
who
were
still
Stakes
of
that
history.
Sure
they
are
a
part
of
the
now
and
the
past.
So
I
think
if
we
take
a
few
moments
to
hear
their
opinions
about
where
we're
going,
I
think
I
think
that's
the
most
honorable
thing
to
do.
O
D
R
R
Yeah,
that's
what
it
was
yeah
and
and
basically
and
what
had
happened
there
would
say:
there's
been
different
groups.
This
there's
a
South
Side
Advisory
board
when
I
moved
here
in
2012,
which
basically
was
the
actual
board
and
I
was
a
member
of
that
long
for
Priscilla,
nyez
or
whatever,
but
anyway
make
a
long
story
short.
The
membership
has
since
changed
hands
from
two
other
groups,
since
we
were
actually
there
and
I
think
the
confusion
is
coming
from.
It's
just.
P
And
I
hear
your
I
hear
your
explanation,
but
I
really
believe
that
they
were
developing
their
own
plan.
While
you
were
at
the
meat
of
your
engagement
process
and
they
just
could
not
do
both
at
the
same
time,
so
they
were
kind
of
like
late
in
the
process
and
I
think
they
did
have
an
understanding
at
the
time.
But
just
like
any
point
of
Engagement,
you
go
out
to
your
community
and
you
tell
them
exactly
what
you
heard
and
they
might
give
you
different
feedbacks.
One.
The
true
impacts
are
how
they
interpret
it.
P
P
Yeah,
when
you
came
the
first
time,
I
agree,
I
thought
that
there
was
a
clear
understanding.
Well
number
one.
They
appreciated
you
coming
and
they
didn't
have
any
immediate
concerns
at
the
time,
but
once
they
started
to
speak
with
other
people
about
what
they
heard
then
stuff
started
to
come
up
and
she
stated
that
she
was
overwhelmed.
So
I
don't
want
any
person
who
is
a
leader
of
an
organized
part
of
the
community
life's
outside
United
to
be
overwhelmed
with
the
direction
that
we're
going.
Let's
just
get
clear:
that's.
A
B
A
A
A
A
B
X
V
Evening,
Council
Mickey
Reed
I'm,
the
director
of
the
community
Economic
Development
Department
I'm
here
tonight,
seeking
council's
action
on
submitting
the
homework
allocation
plan
to
HUD
for
approval
so
set
forth
from
HUD
there's
a
specific
framework
for
the
expenditure
of
homework
funds.
The
city
has
now
completed
all
of
the
necessary
HUD
requirements
with
respect
to
the
development
of
the
homework
plan.
That
process
included
stakeholder
consultations,
a
community
survey,
data
collection
analysis,
a
public
comment
period
and,
most
recently
the
public
hearing
that
was
held
at
council
at
your
last
meeting.
V
B
M
B
B
Roll
hey,
I'll,
make
a
motion
authorized
motion
authorizing
the
city
manager
to
submit
the
home
our
allocation
plan
as
an
amendment
to
fiscal
year,
2021
2022
annual
action
plan
to
the
US
Department
of
Housing
and
Urban
Development.
Second,.
A
A
Z
So
the
key
takeaways
that
I
want
to
leave
you
with
are
that
the
purpose
of
this
project
was
to
update
the
2009
sustainability
management
plan,
with
all
the
additional
resolutions
and
sustainability
goals
that
Council
has
adopted.
Since
that
time,
the
scope
of
this
plan
is
focused
on
Municipal
operations,
where
I
believe
there's
still
significant
opportunity
to
impact
climate
adaptation
and
mitigation.
Z
This
document
establishes
a
road
map,
so
we
can
make
continued
progress
on
council's
adopted
goals
and
what
I'm
really
excited
about
is
that
it
suggests
an
implementation
sequence
so
that
we
can
try
and
make
the
most
out
of
our
limited
priorities
and
has
been
reviewed
and
recommended
by
the
environment,
Safety
Committee,
as
well
as
the
sustainability
advisory
committee
before
that
so
again,
delving
into
the
purpose.
This
isn't
an
exhaustive
list
of
the
all
the
resolutions
and
policies
that
Council
has
adopted
since
2009,
but
hits
the
high
notes.
Z
So
all
of
the
policies
that
you
see
listed
on
the
timeline
are
included
in
the
municipal
climate
action
plan
so
including
the
update
to
the
carbon
reduction
goal,
the
food
policy
action
plan,
which
was
also
updated
in
2017
as
well.
It
incorporates
the
waste
reduction
goal,
the
100
renewable
energy
goal
and
all
the
action
items
that
were
included
in
the
climate
emergency
declaration.
Z
So
this
is
quite
a
bit
of
goals,
just
from
2009
much
less
the
previous
goals
that
were
adopted.
So
this
allows
us
to
prioritize
and
figure
out
how
to
drive
the
most
impact
and
progress
on
all
these
goals.
So
I
know
this
graph
is
a
little
fuzzy.
So
anyone
who
wants
some
clarity,
it's
on
page
five
of
the
document,
I
believe
but
basically
shows
you
how
we
got
from
point
A
to
point
B.
So
we
weren't
looking
at
any
new
policies.
Z
So
it
took
the
input
that
was
received
when
those
policies
were
adopted,
consulted
with
the
sustainability
advisory
committee
and
City
staff
to
really
figure
out
what
the
laundry
list
of
opportunities
were.
And
then
the
sustainability
advisory
committee
took
the
time
to
figure
out
what
was
really
important
and
how
we
should
identify
what
was
ultimately
recommended
to
be
in
this
document,
and
they
chose
three
prioritization
factors:
one
being
impact,
two
being
feasibility
and
three
being
opportunities
to
advance
Equity.
Z
So
we
took
the
laundry
list
that
we
had
looked
at
those
prioritization
factors
and
ended
up
with
two
or
22
recommended
activities
that
are
in
the
final
document.
As
I
mentioned,
this
got
a
unanimous
recommendation
from
the
sustainability
advisory
committee
for
Council
to
adopt,
as
well
as
environment
and
safety.
Z
So,
as
I
mentioned,
the
scope
of
the
plan
is
Municipal
operations
and
it
has
22
activities
that
are
all
lumped
into
three
goals.
So
I
know
you
can
read.
What's
on
the
screen,
the
way
I
like
to
think
about
it
is
goal.
One
is
the
physical
things
that
the
city
owns
operates
and
maintains,
and
we
want
those
things
to
be
resilient,
sustainable
and
efficient.
Z
When
I
think
about
goal,
two
I
think
about
our
decision
making
how
we
use
our
public
resources,
so
how
we're
embedding
sustainability
decisions
and
budget
in
our
policies
and
decision
making
and
goal
three?
How
do
we
use
the
city
as
an
organization
our
place
in
the
community,
the
assets
that
we
have
to
help
enable
our
residents
and
our
businesses
to
lead
sustainable
and
resilient
lives?
Z
So
the
final
result
is
22
recommended
activities.
They
each
have
a
number
of
descriptors
and
the
icons
on
the
right
kind
of
show
you,
when
you
look
at
the
document,
the
things
that
are
included
with
each
activity.
But
as
I
mentioned,
it
includes
an
implementation
sequence
that
looks
at
things
that
are
short-term
medium
term
and
long
term,
and
the
way
that
we
came
up
with
that
sequence
was
looking
at
overall
impact.
Z
So
again,
this
is
a
slide
I'm
going
to
show
you
three
more
slides
that
have
each
of
the
recommended
activities
in
each
goal.
It's
a
little
overwhelming
it's
a
lot
of
text,
but
we
don't
have
time
to
dive
into
each
one,
but
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
the
audience
had
an
opportunity
to
see
the
list,
and
you
can
again
go
into
the
document.
That's
Linked
In
the
staff
report
to
get
more
on
which
each
one
is
just
to
orient.
Z
You
items
that
are
listed
in
bold
are
existing
ongoing
activities
that
we
recommend
that
we
continue
and
things
that
have
an
asterisk
are
something
that
is
maybe
under
consideration
to
be
implemented,
beginning
in
the
next
fiscal
year
so
again
goal
one
is
a
lot
because
it's
our
physical
stuff
right.
So
there's
a
lot
of
opportunity
in
that
space
goal
two
a
little
less
items,
but
again
talking
about
really
those
policies
and
those
decision-making
levers
to
make
sure
that
we're
embedding
this
in
our
everyday
work
and
goal
three.
Z
So
that's
really
a
quick
snapshot
of
where
we're
at
and
again
the
key
takeaways.
The
purpose
was
to
really
update
the
2009
plan
with
all
the
additional
policies
that
Council
has
adopted
since
that
time,
we're
really
focused
on
Municipal
operations.
I
think
we
have
significant
impact
to
advance
climate
adaptation
mitigation,
especially
for
how
our
community
experiences
that
it
establishes
a
road
map
for
continued
progress
on
the
council.
Z
J
One
of
the
biggest
things
I've
heard
from
community
members
that
participated
in
engagement
around
the
climate
Justice
initiative.
Was
you
better
back
this
up
with
a
meaningful
response
and
when
I
see
this
I
think
how
important
it
is,
and
I'm
really
thankful,
but
I
also
think
about
the
aim
plan,
natural
emotion
plan
and
the
close,
the
gap
plan
that
had
those
really
long
list
of
like
missing
ADA
compliance
infrastructure
and
what
that
means
to
the
most
vulnerable
people
that
are
impacted
by
that.
So
considering
those
things
it
seems
like
this.
J
The
only
way
we
get
to
these
goals
is
partnership,
as
we
go
so
I
was
wondering,
and
maybe
this
is
something
that
we
look
forward
to
with
a
public
safety
Bond
when
we
consider
the
existential
threat
of
climate
emergency
I.
Just
wish
I
saw
more
we're
going
to
have
to
grow
the
sustainability,
not
just
like
manage
the
department,
but
like
really.
J
Grow
it
to
meet
this
in
a
really
meaningful
way
and
I
think
just
like
I'm,
not
sure
what
support
looks
like
for
that.
But
I
want
to
Champion
you
having
everything
that
you
need
to
get
these
goals
done
with
with
some
serious
funding
to
back
it
up,
because
when
we're
thinking
about
like
storm.
J
J
Going
to
be
holding
this
in
mind
as
we
have
planning
decisions
moving
forward,
whether
it's
meeting
our
carbon
reduction
goals,
securing
our
water
quality
when
I
see
like
Philadelphia
not
being
able
to
drink
the
water
because
of
spills
in
the
Delaware
River
like
these
are
the
kinds
of
crises
we're
going
to
see
in
our
community.
I
want
us
to
be
better
prepared
than
we
have
been
in
the
past.
So
I
guess.
J
Z
Yeah
and
I
think
that's
definitely
something
we
should
look
at
and
as
as
mentioned
in
the
staff
report,
all
of
that
will
come
through
the
budget
process.
What
was
really
important
for
me
in
this
first
phase
was
to
make
sure
that
we
had
a
lot
of
buy-in
and
collaboration
from
our
departments
because
I'm,
not
a
storm
water
expert.
Right
like
we
need
a
good
stormwater
manager
to
be
able
to
implement.
D
H
I
just
want
to
Echo.
What
would
you
just
said
in
terms
of
sustainability?
Now
is
a
value
of
an
organization,
and
it's
not
just
housed
in
one
Department,
it's
kind
of
like
equity.
It's
not
housed
in
just
one
Department,
it
is
all
has
to
be
throughout
our
organization,
and
and
luckily
we
we
have
the
leadership
of
a
sustainability
department,
but
implementation
has
to
happen
across
our
organization
in
the
community.
K
I'll
chime
in
with
a
thought-
and
this
is
more
just
a
thought
of
the
stuff
that
we're
doing
on
Council
we're
doing
in
our
community-
takes
takes
so
long,
sometimes
longer
than
I
want
it
to,
and
we
don't
have
a
ton
of
time
with
a
lot
of
the
challenges
we're
having
with
climate
change,
but
I
have
a
really
unique
and
intimate
vantage
point
of
where
we
started
in
2008
having
LED
that
the
fact
that
this
is
an
organizational
value.
K
The
team
of
us
that
started
this
in
2008
like
could
could
barely
even
dream
of
that
being
real
and
the
fact
that
now
councils
before
us
have
set
these
fantastic
policies
with
real
Vision
over
the
last
couple
years,
and
now
we
have
a
plan
to
pull
it
all
together,
so
that
we
have
focused
and
targeted
implementation.
It's
just
so
dang
exciting,
like
we're
we're
off
for
our
next
decade
of
serious
climate
impact
and
I
can't
be
more
excited
to
be
part
of
it,
and
we
need
to
beef
up
all
the
resources
to
do
it.
K
And
it's
not
just
one
person.
If
it's
one
person
leading
sustainability
or
one
person
leading
Equity,
we're
going
to
fail
it,
it's
institutional,
it's
cultural
and
I'm.
Just
couldn't
be
prouder,
so
thankful
that
you're
leading
us
through
that
I
think
you're
doing
you're
one
of
the
best
I've
seen
in
our
country
for
sure
I'm.
Just
really
excited
I
can't
wait
to
vote
for
this.
K
K
K
I
make
a
motion
to
adopt
the
municipal
climate
action
plan
for
municipal
sustainability
goals
and
initiatives.
Second,
all.
R
AA
I
really
believe,
as
you've
already
said,
that
this
is
a
great
Municipal
action
plan
for
addressing
the
climate,
but
I
think
there
are
a
few
things
you
might
want
to
consider
in
implementation
and
maybe
even
amend
the
plan
to
mention
them.
Let
me
give
examples
in
goal.
One.
The
activities,
particularly
around
energy,
have
lots
of
emphasis
that
would
be
helped
by
what's
called
a
micro
grid
and
a
micro
Grid
in
a
very
simple
sense,
is
production
of
electricity
or
production
of
power,
the
storage
of
Power,
Batteries
and
controls
to
control.
AA
What's
going
on
in
the
buildings
that
the
power
is
being
provided
to
and
to
be
able
to
isolate
it
when
there's
power
failure,
resiliency
problem,
As,
We,
Know,
the
Grid's
gone
down
due
to
storms,
vandalism
other
reasons
so
they're,
almost
all
of
the
13
activities
under
goal.
One
could
be
related
to
this
in
some
way,
but
let
me
highlight
a
couple:
renewable
energy
installation
and
on-site
solar
alternatives.
AA
H
AA
D
AA
K
Say
there
thank
you
yeah
and
thanks
for
your
work
with
the
micro
good
group,
I
participate
in
a
couple
of
those
meetings.
I
know
you
meet
weekly,
you've
been
doing
really
technical,
volunteer,
work
and
I.
Think
there's
a
lot
of
potential
for
where
we're
going
the
next
decade.
With
this
work
with
that
type
of
thinking.
AA
A
You
thank
you.
We
did
have
one
other
person
signed
up
to
speak
Tim,
Sadler.
G
And
city
council,
one
tip
congratulate
Maggie
on
your
winning
I.
Actually,
the
first
public
meeting
that
I
ever
attended
for
Asheville
was
the
sustainability
meeting
and
Maggie
is
always
just
awesome.
So
I'm
glad
to
see
you
up
here.
Thank
you.
I
wanted
to
mention
a
couple
of
kind
of
outside
of
the
box,
things
that
are
going
on.
You
know
solar
panels
and
wind.
G
G
It's
the
first
North
American
hydrothermal
carbonization
facility,
so
I
have
contacts
there.
That's
actually
where
I'm
from
that
area,
that
same
county,
so
I'm
familiar
with
this
project-
and
you
know
I
also
wanted
to
mention.
Maybe
you
know
this
might
not
be
right
for
our
community,
but
if
anyone's
familiar
with
Oak
Ridge
in
Tennessee,
they
have
thorium
nuclear
plant,
which
is
almost
no
waste
or
you
know
it's
it's
something
that
they're
developing
better
nuclear.
G
You
know
strategies
and
you
know
they
have
that
one
plant
in
in
Oak
Ridge,
it's
not
too
far,
so
yeah
I
just
really
am
thrilled.
You
know
with
the
leadership
on
this
topic
and
if
anyone
would
like
more
information
about
PV
I'm,
sorry
pxv
Neo,
you
guys
know
where
to.
A
A
All
right,
last
but
not
least,
we
are
going
to
hear
an
ordinance
adopting
the
fiscal
year,
2024
fees
and
charges
manual,
and
this
is
part
of
our
budgeting
process,
where
we
always
look
at
the
fees
and
charges
portion
of
our
budget
this
stage,
so
that
staff
can
build
it
into
what
will
ultimately
be
a
final
budget
that
we
vote
on.
AB
Thank
you,
mayor
and
Council
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
look
into
your
work
today,
so
I'm
going
to
try
to
move
through
this
quickly.
But
please
stop
me
with
any
questions.
Let's
kind
of
start,
with
a
broad
overview,
we'll
go
over,
the
three
I
would
say
most
significant
fees
that
most
of
the
folks
in
our
community
pay
and
then
a
few
others
where
we
have
changes.
AB
So
overall,
you
know,
as
the
mayor
said,
we
staff
reviews
fees
and
charges
as
part
of
the
budget
process.
Every
year
we
bring
forward
recommendations
early
in
the
process.
AB
For
the
reasons
mentioned,
those
do
represent
a
relatively
small
portion
of
the
general
fund
revenues,
but
are
really
significant
for
our
Enterprise
funds,
including
water
and
storm
water,
where
we
have
recommended
increases
this
evening
again,
we
are
recommending
increases
there,
as
well
as
for
solid
waste,
those
impact
most
of
the
households
in
Asheville,
and
we
are
not
recommending
any
changes
for
Transit
parking
or
special
event
fees
at
this
time.
AB
So
why
do
we
charge
for
service?
One
reason
is
that
customer
versus
Community
benefit
when
there's
kind
of
a
specific
individual
benefit.
We
usually
will
charge
folks,
whereas
a
broader
Community
benefit
we
we
may
not.
We
also,
sometimes
that
allows
us
to
ensure
access
through
charging,
and
then
we
also
have
statutory
requirements
like
with
our
development
services,
where
we
charge
a
fee
related
to
providing
those
Services
required
by
the
state
when
we're
looking
at
how
much
to
set
the
fees
at
it
is
a
cost
of
service
is
a
key
component.
Of
course.
AB
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
recouping
the
cost
or
some
portion
of
the
cost
in
in
most
instances
who
benefits
again.
That
gets
back
to
that
customer
versus
Community
benefit,
and
then
we
do
have
some
fee
studies
that
we've
undertaken
over
the
last
several
years,
including
for
development
fees
and
Parks
and
Recreation
fees.
AB
So
again
in
the
general
fund.
The
portion
that
we're
talking
about
from
the
revenue
side-
and
this
is
our
current
year-
general
fund
budget-
makes
up
about
12
percent
of
the
overall
Budget
on
the
revenue
side,
whereas
on
the
Enterprise
funds-
and
this
is
all
of
our
Enterprise
funds
together-
it's
about
73
so
again
a
significant
portion
of
the
funding
on
the
Enterprise
side.
AB
We
want
to
try
to
minimize
this
while
making
sure
that
we're
investing
in
these
Services
to
to
continue
to
provide
and
expand
where
we
can,
you
can
see
that
overall
increase
for
those
three
for
an
average
household
or
a
typical
household
I
guess
I
should
say,
is
around
10.89
a
or
for
the
bi-monthly
Bill
and
with
an
annual
increase
of
just
over
65
dollars
so
moving
into
water
at
a
high
level.
Waters
budget,
interestingly,
is
kind
of
split
evenly
in
thirds
between
capital
and
debt
personnel
and
operating
costs.
AB
You
can
see
that
our
single
family
residential
customer
class
excuse
me
is
both
the
majority
of
the
number
of
accounts
in
the
that
the
water
fund
has
and
also
make
up
a
significant
portion
of
the
water
consumption
as
well.
AB
We
did
provide
some
information
at
the
council
breeding
briefing.
Excuse
me
last
week,
I
wanted
to
mention
a
little
bit
of
that.
We
reviewed
the
rate
structures
for
12
other
systems
in
mostly
in
North
Carolina,
but
South
Carolina
as
well.
Just
a
few
things.
A
few
takeaways
there
most
places
that
we
looked
at
of
those
12,
do
have
tiered
residential
consumption
rates,
so
essentially,
as
you
consume
more
water,
that
water
gets
more
expensive
different
rates
for
non-residential
users,
again
commercial
industrial
users
having
different
rates
from
from
residential
and
then
and
I.
AB
Think
this
is
an
important
note.
Most
places
also
have
different
rates
for
customers
that
are
outside
of
a
geographical
limit.
So,
for
example,
much
like
you
know,
the
city
of
Asheville
provides
service
out
water
service
outside
of
the
city
limits.
Many
other
municipalities
and
and
counties
do
the
same,
and
they
charge
folks
outside
of
that
geographical
boundary
that
political
boundary
a
higher
fee
than
they
do
inside.
We
are
prevented
from
doing
that
by
the
Sullivan
X
and
lastly,
our
our
customer
costs
are
pretty
competitive
and
affordable
compared
to
systems
that
are
similar
to
our.
AB
So
what
we're
recommending
with
water
fee
changes
is
an
increase
in
the
base
base
fees
charged
to
customers
and
those
vary
according
to
meter
size.
We
are
also
looking
at
an
increase
in
consumption
fees,
the
volumetric
fees
that
are
charged
to
customers
and
again,
that's
based
on
the
volume
of
water
used,
and
then
we
have
a
an
increase
in
our
hydrant
meter
rentals
and
that's
really
related
to
development
uses.
AB
One
note
to
make
we
do
have
a
cost
of
service
study
underway
with
our
reptiles,
the
folks
that
help
us
with
our
water
rate
model
and
that's
going
to
assess
the
rate
structure
and
any
recommended
changes
to
that
structure
will
be
considered
in
the
next
budget
process
of
the
fy25
process
did
want
to
mention.
We
did
see
rates
go
down
when
we
lost
the
ability
to
charge
that
Capital
fee
in
FY
20
and
we're
still
trying
to
recover
from
that.
AB
That's
did
impact
our
our
Capital
funding
for
water,
so
we
are
trying
to
again
slowly
kind
of
build
that
back
up
as
you
can
see.
So
what
we're
looking
to
do
with
the
additional
funding
that
this
will
provide
is
add.
AB
AC
A
AC
H
AC
J
J
So
that
means
the
full-time
residents
of
Asheville,
with
the
bulk
discount
for
commercial
that
we
have
is
cheaper
than
the
other
piercities
are
bearing
the
burden
for
the
most
infrastructure.
Now
I
will
say,
then
Thursday
happened
and
you
brought
us
this
water
system,
rape
structure
with
other
cities.
That
was
really
helpful
and
it's
not
in
these
slides.
J
So
for
folks
who
want
to
see
them,
it
was
part
of
our
agenda
briefing
on
Thursday,
but
what
it
showed
me
is
that
our
jump
and
non-residential
Commercial
leaps
at
tier
one
from
404
to
251
and
there's
no
other
of
the
pure
cities
that
jumped
that
low.
So
it's
like
my
concerns
about
the
deep
discounts
for
bulk
commercial
is
like
gosh,
it's
worse
than
any
other
piercity
and
I.
Don't
know
if
we
have
to
wait
to
do
something
about
that.
So
the.
F
J
Thing
I
could
come
up
with
after
the
bazillion
phone
calls
and
conversations
between
Thursday
and
today
is
this
I
know
we
want
to
give
people
a
heads
up.
Can
we
bring
this
back
at
our
next
meeting
and
just
look
at
a
higher
base
rate
and
or
just
keep
the
residential
it's
477?
While
we
wait
for
the
study
and
bump
up
the
non-residential
commercial
from
404
to
441
as
suggested
and
then
change
the
second
tier
to
be
match,
the
next
lowest,
which
is
High
Point
at
three
dollars,
keeping
in
mind
Hendersonville
is
428..
Z
H
A
So
I
I
will
Echo
the
general
sentiment
that
the
rate
comparison
made
it
very
clear
that
so
a
lot
of
these
cities
have
like
Charlotte
and
other
places.
They
have
a
tiered
system.
So
if
you
are
a
low
residential
user,
your
first,
however
many
gallons
you
pay
I'm
making
this
a
dollar
fifty
and
then,
as
you
become
an
increased
water
user,
your
next
150,
whatever
gallons,
is
250
a
gallon.
So
so
it
incentivizes
you
to
and
also
makes
it
more
affordable
for
families
who
aren't
using
the.
A
The
the
lower
rate
you
experience,
actually
not
doing
that
we
have
this
one
size
fits
all
residential
rate
right
now.
This
is
on
the
usage
side.
What
the
chart
didn't
show
us
was
the
full,
the
full
water
rate
that
customers
actually
pay,
because
it
didn't
include
the
base
rate.
It
did
include
all
the
things
that
you
would
get
in
your
water
bill
for
comparable
cities.
A
A
little
bit
blind
in
terms
of
an
Apples
to
Apples
comparison,
but
what
we
did
see
was
based
on
the
usage
in
it.
There's
it
seemed
pretty
out
of
whack,
so
one
one
concern
I
have
is
how
do
we
tweak
this
so
that
we
create
greater
affordability
for
residential
users
and
not
put
off
kilter
the
water
budget?
Because
I
mean
we
have?
A
We
have
a
lot
of
capital
and
projects
we're
doing
in
the
water
budget,
but
it's
very
clear
that
we
need
to
make
a
transition
to
relieving
the
the
fees
charged
to
residential
customers
and
that's
going
to
mean
ex
base
rate
is
one
way
to
address
it,
but
but
ex,
but
increasing
those
rates
for
our
industrial,
commercial
users
and
looking
at
our
multi-family
housing
units
which
are
getting
a
deep
discount.
Even
though
there
are
people
using
the
shower
just
like
people
who
live
in
a
house
or
using
a
shower
unless.
J
J
Came
up
which
I
thought
was
interesting,
I
hope
this
person
would
be
here
today
is.
It
was
brought
to
me.
We've
created
sort
of
like
a
moral
pothole
where
the
the
discount
is
so
steep
that
you're
actually
incentivized.
If
you
get
close
enough
to
just
run
the
water
and
then,
if
you
do
that,
you're
saying
we'll
just
go
ahead
and
turn
on
the
faucet
and
it's
it's
worth
it
because
I'm
going
to
pay
less
at
the
end
of
the
day
and.
J
A
So
you
know
I
wonder
if
there,
if,
if
there
is
a
way
to
pull
out
the
water
piece
from
the
what
the
presentation
you're
giving
us
to
and
the
fees
and
rates
were
being
asked
to
vote
on
today
and
to
take
a
deeper
look
at
that
and
bring
it
back
to
us
in
a
couple
of
weeks,
the
only.
H
Thing
that
we
would
request,
though,
in
terms
of
our
ability
staff
time
that
it's
going
to
take
for
us
to
do
this
when
we
are
almost
duplicating
the
work
that
the
Consultants
are
trying
to
do
for
us,
and
we
want
to
do
this,
be
very
intentional.
We
want
to
have
lots
of
data
we're
talking
about
running
some
additional
modeling,
so
we
can
get
to
the
answers
that
you
all
want,
but
we
just
don't
want
to
yeah.
A
And
I
I
get
that
I
mean
they're
not
going
to
look
at
other
jurisdictions
and
do
a
rate
comparison
they're
going
to
do
a
rate
analysis
within
our
own.
A
So
one
one
way
to
to
do
this
for
now
might
be
that
we
hold
the
residential
rate,
don't
increase.
It
only
increase
the
other
categories
to
make
up
the
differential,
and
that
might
mean
a
more
aggressive
increase
than
what
you're
presenting
to
us
tonight
to
get
to
those
numbers
that
you
need.
J
A
J
A
You're
you're
probably
going
to
frown
because
the
bulk
of
our
customers
are.
A
Yeah
yeah
the
the
foreign.
A
AB
Would
suggest
that
we,
if
you
all,
are
not
comfortable
with
where
we're
at
on
the
overall
water
system
Water
fee
changes
that
you
give
us
an
opportunity
to
look
at
them
holistically
and
not
approve
some
of
them,
because
it
is
kind
of
all
connected.
K
A
K
J
F
B
AB
A
joke
I
mean
I
think
we
may
be
challenged
to
get
that
prepared
for
the
April
11th
work
session.
Honestly
and.
B
A
A
A
E
A
I
and
I,
don't
know
if
you
could
figure
out
like
this
is
affordable
housing.
V
AC
Just
and
understand,
but
the
study
that's
underway
now
is
looking
at
that
and
there's
several
different
scenarios,
and
we
know
that
our
commercial
and
Industrial
customers
are
getting
great
deal
right
now
that
that's
got
to
come
up.
I
just
don't
know
that
we
would
have
time
to
really
do
a
good
job
at
it.
Even
before
July
and.
A
AC
K
And
we
expect
them
so
the
type
of
thing
what
I'm
actually
hearing
is
like
we're
all
actually,
on
the
same
page,
we're
starting
to
see
this
potential
for
shifts.
Y'all
have
already
been
seeing
it
too
in
your
scoping,
someone's
kind
of
crunching.
Those
numbers
now
and
they'll
give
us
an
assessment
in
August.
AC
F
K
Any
way
we
can
like
just
not
do.
A
K
Then
we
look
at
like
a
January
1
start
date,
which
something
that
I
mean
we're
also
about
to
hear
from
the
90-day
study
from
this
big
water
Interruption.
We
had
that
probably
has
some
dollar
figures
with
it
that
I
don't
know
to
me.
If,
if
we
Revisited
and
had
like
a
water
rate,
conversation
in
the
fall
and
financially,
the
utility
could
feel
confident
in
a
potential
rate,
change
happening
six
months
later,
January
1
instead
of
July
1.
That
would
be
an
interesting
thing
to
brainstorm
about.
K
D
H
A
You
know,
I
know
that
it's
work,
but
the
and
the
chart
that
we
got
in
finance
was
helpful
in
the
sense
that
it
showed
us
what
the
user,
the
the
rates
were
for
usage,
but
it
did
not
provide
the
flat
fees
that
are
included
in
Billing.
It
didn't
give
us
a
you
know,
cross-section
of
well.
Maybe
the
flat
fee
in
Charlotte
is
three
times
as
high
as
I
wanted
is
in
Asheville
and
they
actually
have
the
same
size,
water
bill.
A
You
know
it
didn't
give
us
that
kind
of
information,
so
that
eventually
I
want
to
see
the
whole
picture
and-
and
some
you
know,
really
drilling
down
on
the
different
options
for
dealing
with
multi-family
housing
and
some
of
these,
because
you
know
you
were
saying
in
some
cities
it's
lumped
into
this
category
in
some
cities,
and
it
makes
a
big
difference
and
Commercial
tiers.
Also.
K
D
H
A
Next
meeting
council
is
there
consensus
around
doing
that
kind
of
broader
examination
of
with
these
water
rates
and
not
just
moving
locks
up
with
the
recommendation.
That's
being
I'm
on
board.
I
just
want
to
make
sure.
T
AB
A
D
A
A
J
AB
D
J
Thing
in
the
world
it
has
been
brought
to
my
attention
by
neighbors.
This
is
why
Community
engagement
is
so
important.
I've,
just
like
was
having
these
phone
conversations
on
the
way
to
the
bus.
Stop
include
Boone
Boone
has
tourism.
Boone
has
a
differential
rate
like
maybe
put
that
alongside
here.
If
it's
not
the
biggest
deal,
if
it
is
whatever
there's
other
higher
priorities,
but
this
this
rate
structure
was
really
helpful.
So
thank
you
and
also.
A
I
mean
I'm,
sorry,
I
think
what
I
hear
you
saying
is:
there's
not
time
to
go.
Do
this
big
study
and
look
at
all
these
different
municipalities
in
this
study?
That's
underway!
It's
not
going
to
do
that,
so
so
I
don't
know
when
and
where
we
consider
these
other.
Unless
it's
just
updating
this
table
and
adding
Boone
to
it,
which
you.
H
H
We
do
animals
and
so
I
I
think
that
we
will
come
back,
provide
you
all
with
some
additional
information
and
again
I
think
we
hear
what
the
goal
is
yeah
and
that's
the
lesson.
The
impact
on
our.
H
AB
Good
yeah
all
right,
moving
on
to
storm
water.
Think
probably
most
of
you
all
have
seen
this
before
so
I'll
move
quickly,
but
really
our
main
challenge
with
our
stormwater
system
is
deferred
maintenance
and
what
that
creates?
Our
you
know
our
folks
in
spending
time
and
resources
being
reactive
to
address
those
emergency
repairs
that
are
needed,
limiting
our
capacity
to
do.
AB
You
know
the
projects
that
we've
identified
and
strategically
invest
in
the
system
which
overall
makes
for
a
system
that
is
not
in
the
design
our
desired
state,
which
again
kind
of
leads
back
to
that
deferred
maintenance.
So
that's
really
the
the
Trap.
If
you
will
that
we're
trying
to
get
out
of
with
stormwater
we,
we
also
have
a
consultant
review
that
is
underway
with
our
storm
water
system.
They've
already
provided
some
information
for
us
on
the
both
capital
and
operating
resources
that
they
think
we
need
to
help
maintain
our
system.
AB
That's
part
of
what
part
of
the
that
work
is
incorporated
into
this
recommendation.
They
are
also
looking
at
the
the
fees
and
fee
structure
and
doing
a
comparison
again
similar
to
what
we
were
just
discussing
with
water.
We
expect
that
to
be
completed
later
this
summer,
so
what
we're
recommending
is
15
increase
in
those
fees.
Again,
these
are
the
the
tiers
stormwater
tiers,
most
folks
fall
into
that
2001
square
feet
to
4
000
square
feet.
AB
That's
where
the
bulk
of
our
residential
folks
are
some
service
enhancement
was
we
are
hoping
to
fund
with
those
additional
fees,
include
a
maintenance
crew
to
to
do
that.
Repair
work,
some
additional
staff
to
enhance
inspections
for
constructed
stormwater
devices.
So
that's
like
new
construction,
private
property,
commercial
property
system
mapping.
This
is
a
really
really
big
point
for
us
is
making
sure
we
understand
the
state
of
our
system
so
that
we
can
again
make
those
strategic
Investments
and
then
some
vehicle
and
Equipment
purchases
for
storm
water.
AB
Similar
you
know
we
have
some
need
for
additional
positions
just
to
keep
up
with
an
increasing
number
of
collection
points,
as,
as
we
add
those
as
people
move
into
the
city,
continued
cost
increases
to
dispose
of
our
waste,
whether
that's
recycling
through
the
contract
or
landfill.
Tipping
fees.
Excuse
me,
and
then
we
are
also
looking
to
review
operations,
financing
and
ordinances
to
really
address
some
of
the
challenges
and
help
us
improve
our
service
delivery.
AB
So,
just
again
a
little
bit
of
History.
Prior
to
the
current
fiscal
year,
the
last
fee
increase
was
approved
for
sanitation
was
in
FY
17,
which
was
a
while
ago.
The
current
current
year
increase
was
two
dollars
per
month.
We're
recommending
one
dollar
per
month
for
next
year
and
we
would
look
to
use
that
to
fund
the
solid
waste
master
plan,
as
well
as
some
additional
sapping
Staffing
to
support
those
added
collection
points.
AB
Any
questions
on
that
piece,
all
right
so
quickly,
some
other
changes.
We
did
want
to
note
some
of
the
Parks
and
Recreation
fees.
We
have
a
moderate
increase
to
the
fees
at
Riverside
Cemetery
that
helps
support
the
maintenance
of
that
facility.
We
actually
have
some
reductions
and
usage
fees
for
recreational
athletic
facilities,
multi-purpose
fields,
reductions
to
fees
for
weight
rooms
and
a
increase
to
the
swimming
pool
fee
again
to
help
support
maintenance
and
operations
of
that
those
facilities.
AB
I
should
say
specifically
for
after
school
and
summer
programming,
there
is
an
increase
to
the
fun
day
out
inclement
weather
programming,
from
five
to
ten
dollars
a
day,
but
did
want
to
make
a
note
that
that's
not
paid
for
Youth
and
teens
that
are
enrolled
in
after
school
programs.
AB
Some
other
changes
that
are
recommended
the
changing
the
way.
Essentially,
the
tournament
fees
are
charged
for
a
specific
tournament
at
Essen
Park,
providing
some
flexibility
for
the
Nature
Center,
really
to
help
them
with
development
of
new
programming
through
the
year
and
then
some
storm
water
development
fees
just
based
on
the
cost
to
deliver
that
those
services
so
wrapping
up
again,
we
look
at
these
every
year
and
bring
forward
recommendations,
they're
a
small
but
not
insignificant
portion
of
the
general
fund,
a
very
significant
portion
for
our
Enterprise
funds.
B
A
This
does
bring
up
one
of
our
ever
evolving
issues,
which
is
the
agenda
work
session,
and
there
were
only
three
of
us
there,
the
last
one
when
we
covered
this,
so
we
got
to
figure
out
a
solution
to
the
the
work
session
so
that
everyone
can
attend
and
we
can
kind
of
give
staff
a
little
bit
of
a
preview
of
concerns
around
things
like
this,
so
that
we're
not
you
know
we're
doing
it
rehearsal
rather
than
prime
time
here.
B
D
A
A
Any
other
questions
or
comments
before
we
take
a
public
comment
on
this
item.
Okay,
again
folks,
who
signed
up
to
speak
you'll,
have
three
minutes
to
speak.
Watch
the
lights
on
the
lectern
and
red
means:
stop
Nina
tovish.
F
I'm
going
to
make
this
as
quick
as
possible
hello
good
evening,
thanks
for
hearing
me,
why
aren't
we
charging
higher
rates
to
businesses
that
consume
more
water?
That
was
addressed
already
incentivized
conservation
to
prepare
for
failure?
If
we
prioritize
using
less
water
at
every
level
of
consumer,
then
we
will
be
able
to
withstand
a
shortage
or
average
better
in
the
future,
because
our
equipment
will
be
able
to
withstand
it
better.
F
Also,
if
we
prioritize
delivering
water
to
more
people,
rather
than
one
central
location,
our
infrastructure
will
be
able
to
withstand
climate
change
better
because
it's
the
smaller
pipes
that
break
faster
and
you
have
to
scale.
Okay,
let's
skip
that
in
attachment
B
table
a
Asheville
is
the
only
one
charging
more
to
Residential
Water
customers
than
to
commercial
users
that
is
across
the
board.
Nowhere
else,
it's
not
like
that
anywhere
else.
High
Point
is
the
only
where
that's
comparable
and
they
charge
a
flat
rate
across
bottom
line.
F
We
need
a
a
flat
rate
for
our
full
system,
full
stop
and
that
should
include,
like
you
guys,
have
mentioned
gratefully
the
other
fees
that
are
included
because
a
service
user
like
me,
who
may
or
may
not
have
housing
the
entire
year
and
has
constantly
had
to
pay
water
turn
on
services
with
bad
credit.
I
have
bad
credit,
not
scared
to
admit
it.
F
I've
had
to
pay
155
dollars
every
new
time,
I
turn
on
water,
and
when
you
are
a
renter
in
a
single
family
home
which
is
sometimes
cheaper
than
Apartments,
you
often
are
the
one
that
pays
the
water
turn
on
fee,
not
the
landlord,
because
they
have
no
responsibility
to
that.
Okay
and
then
finally,
for
storm
water
fees.
I
know
where
that's
pretty
good,
but
I
just
want
to
throw
out
there
in
the
future.
Maybe
we
could
scale
them
by
surface
permeability
like
as
in
okay.
Thank
you
and
runoff
production.
F
B
F
That
case
I
will
say
that
I
do
think
that
the
multi-family
versus
single
family
use
is
potentially
a
geographic
conflict
of
interest
that
we
need
to
examine
closer
with
regard
to
the
Sullivan
act,
because,
as
we
scale
to
more
renting,
that
is
not
really
regulated,
we
don't
have
the
facilities
to
regulate
the
way
that
short-term
and
long-term
renting
is
happening.
We
need
to
be
aware
of
the
ways
that
that
might
actually
be
a
geographical
tier
in
disagreement
to
what
our
laws
are
supposed
to
say.
Okay,
that's
it.
V
A
Wonder
if
that
would
be
a
way
to
do
it
and
the
storm
water
is
based
on
the
surface
area,
impermeable
surface
area,
right
I
got
it
correct.
Yes,
like,
for
example,
the
mall
has
to
pay
a
big
fee,
because
okay.
B
A
A
AD
A
AD
When
that
tier
was
created,
which
I
believe
was
2013,
and
that
was
all
done,
the
the
one
for
the
manufacturer
over
2
000
ccfs
was
created
for
New
Belgium
when
they
came.
U
AD
And
so
in
our
beer,
City
and
all
of
that
and
the
water
usage
that
needs
to
be
looked
at
because
their
usage
of
water
is
a
tax
write-off.
You
know
and
then
like
we
just
bent
over
for
them
when
they
got
here
and
we're
giving
away
all
of
this
press
precious
resource.
So
just
a
little
impromptu
and
I
won't
take
any
more
time,
and
thank
you
for
your.
A
When
I
first
came
on,
Council
I
never
heard
the
end
of
Gerber
Gerber
used
to
be
in
Asheville
and
they
used
water,
and
that
was
what
I
was
told,
was
the
basis
basis
structure,
and
then
we
lost
Gerber
and
it
was
like
a
big
thing.
They
made
baby
food
anyway.
Another.
A
Okay,
so
we
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
any
other
questions
or
comments
all
those
in
favor,
please
say
aye
aye
any
opposed.
Thank
you.
We
have
reached
the
end
of
urgent
that
we
are
blowing
Maggie's
timeline,
Maggie,
the
clerk's.
A
That's
incredible:
she
said
835
okay,
so
we
have
a
few
people
signed
up
under
general
public
comment.
The
first
is
Nina
tovich.
S
Good
evening
mayor
vice
mayor
and
council
members,
I
will
try
not
to
take
any
more
than
absolutely
necessary
of
your
time.
Congratulations
on
passing
on
adopting
the
municipal
climate
action
plan.
That's
wonderful!
It's
a
great
step
toward
our
future
and
I
was
pleasantly
surprised
to
enter
the
council
chamber
with
Ben
Stockdale
who's.
A
friend,
I
didn't
expect
to
see
him
here,
but
I
would
like
to
take
an
opportunity,
as
I
had
planned,
to
talk
about
this
myself
to
am
Echo
and
amplify
some
of
his
sentiments.
S
I
think
what
we
can
learn
from
the
first
step
of
a
municipal
climate
action
plan,
which
is
directed
at
City
operations,
only
is
that
it's
important
to
zoom
out
and
think
about
the
bigger
responsibilities
of
city
government
towards
our
community,
our
city
and
even
Beyond
in
the
county
and
the
importance
of
wielding
the
influence
of
the
municipality
wherever
possible.
That
includes
in
zoning.
S
It
includes
new
new
construction
projects,
both
residential
and
Commercial,
and
perhaps
considering
new
incentives
for
building
in
a
sustainable
fashion.
It
also
means
actively
making
Outreach
to
renewable
energy
sector
jobs
manufacturing,
setting
an
example
in
your
own
budget
commitments,
which
makes
it
easy
for
those
kinds
of
entities
to
do
business
in
our
city.
S
We've
got
resources
here,
we've
got
people
here,
we've
got
not-for-profits
here.
We've
got
Enterprise
here
all
moving
into
this
sector,
but
we
can
do
more
and
better
drawing
attention
to
Asheville
as
a
promising
Locus
for
this
important
economic
driver
and
a
critical
foundation
for
the
thriving
future
of
our
community.
S
AD
Asheville
held
a
referendum
to
change
our
our
city,
Charter,
to
establish
an
entirely
new
city,
Charter
and
an
election
system
and
a
form
of
government.
The
council
Forum
that
we
have
now
manage
your
form,
but
just
10
weeks
before
that,
the
North
Carolina
legislature
passed
the
Howell
read
bill
and
that
was
to
specifically
repeal
absentee
balloting
from
Municipal
elections
here
in
Buncombe
County,
and
it
was
a
six-year
effort
for
the
people
of
this
area
to
get
that
done.
I'll
just
read
what
the
Asheville
citizen
said.
AD
Then
the
the
Senate
this
afternoon
passed
the
Hal
Reed
Bill
to
repeal
the
absentee
ballot
law
for
local
elections
in
Buncombe
County
on
the
second
and
third
readings,
despite
opposition
that
grew
to
formidable
proportions
near
the
end
of
the
20-minute
debate.
The
vote
on
the
final
reading
stood
at
25
to
19
and
as
Senator
Bernard,
who
is
our
Senator
here,
had
delayed
five
seconds
in
demanding
a
standing
vote.
The
bill
would
have
been
killed
on.
AD
The
Senate's
presiding
officer,
lieutenant
governor
Richard
T
Fountain,
ruled
the
nose
seemed
to
have
it
before
he
said
the
clinching
words
the
nose
have
it.
Senator
Bernard
jumped
to
his
feet,
demanding
a
division
on
the
standing
vote,
Senator,
Bernard's
friends
rallied
to
his
a
25
Senator
standing
in
favor
of
the
measure.
It
was
a
tribute
to
the
Senator's
personal
popularity,
because
many
of
the
Senate
leaders
were
inclined
to
junk
it.
AD
The
bill
will
be
ratified
tomorrow,
which
becomes
law,
Mrs,
E.L
McKee.
First
female
senator
in
North
Carolina
from
Jackson
County
voted
for
the
measure
and
Senator
k.e
Bennett
of
Bryson
City
was
absent
from
the
floor.
The
Republican
minority
leader
voted
against
it
before
passing
the
Buncombe
Bill.
The
Senate
voted
down
amendments
that
would
also
exempt
the
entire
State
and
several
individual
counties,
including
Sampson
and
Polk,
from
provisions
of
the
absentee
ballot
law.
AD
In
his
speech
in
support
of
the
amendment
for
Polk
County
Senator
McLean
criticized
the
senate
for
its
action
in
extending
privileges
to
Buncombe
County
that
it
denied
other
counties
of
the
state.
Buncombe
County
doesn't
need
it
any
more
than
Polk
or
any
other
county
in
the
state.
He
declared
the
only
difference
between
Polk
and
Buncombe
is
that
it
is
that
a
women's
league
in
Buncombe
County
is
able
to
holler
louder.
AD
Have
money
to
send
telegrams
to
us?
The
same
conditions
exist
in
Polk,
County
and
I
demand
the
same
privileges.
The
senator
paid
his
respects
to
the
group
of
Buncombe
County
persons
who
had
sent
him
the
telegrams
declaring
they
were
anti-ring
Democrats
and
had
deserted
their
party
failing
in
his
Amendment
Senator
McLean
sought
to
have
the
bill
labeled
special
privilege
to
Buncombe
County,
but
was
ruled
out
of
order
by
the
presiding
officer
anyway,
there's
a
lot
more
around
the
Hal
Reed
act,
but
it
was
the
Buncombe
women's
league
who
were
most
Ardent
in
disenfranchising,
Black
voters.
G
Gosh
I
just
can't
get
enough.
You
guys
I
I,
just
I
wanted
to
kind
of
follow
up
on
something
that
was
mentioned
earlier
with
you
know
the
whole
South
slope
conversation
as
you.
G
To
being
historically
black
neighborhood
and
and
having
such
historic
elements
of
the
city,
I
mean
most
notably
the
the
baseball
team,
and
what
a
great
moment
it
is
for
the
tourists
to
potentially
step
up
and
and
help
in
doing
something
to
memorialize
something
in
that
area.
I,
don't
know
if
that's
really
something
that
the
community
wants
I'm
kind
of
speaking
out
there
in
a
way,
because
I
haven't
been
here
for
some
time
two
years,
but
I
do
know
that
there
was
always
a
lot
of
Pride.
G
You
know
in
in
you
know,
specifically
that
team
and
it's
just
a
great
attraction
potentially
to
you
know.
Hopefully
the
TDA
could
potentially
Pony
up
and
and
help
with
some
kind
of
an
effort,
but
I
mean
more
than
anything
in
that
whole
South
slope
conversation
to
have
to
make
sure
that
there's
more
inclusion
yeah
there
might
not
be
a
lot
of
black
people
living
there
now.
G
But
you
know,
if
that's
the
history,
then
they
should
really
be
integrated
in
the
going
forward,
because
it
really
is
a
a
a
high-end
Paradise
over
there
and
it's
not
inclusive
at
all.
It's
from
what
I've
gathered,
but
yeah
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
offer
that
I
know
the
tourists
have
gotten
a
or
I,
don't
know
if
that's
coming,
but
they're
they're
going
to
be
having
some
benefits.
You
know
coming
their
way,
potentially
with
the
city,
so
hopefully
there
could
be
some
care
from
from
their
side
too
thanks.