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September 23, 2014
Asheville City Council Meeting, 2 of 2
A
C
B
On
that
strip
of
land,
which
is
I,
think
you're
aware
is,
is
right
behind
the
that
blank
wall
that
defines
the
Lexington
Avenue
facade
of
the
51
Biltmore
parking
garage.
They
are
really
really
ready
to
go
on
on
this,
and
but
there's
there's
an
obstacle,
and
that
obstacle
is
that,
because
of
the
location
of
the
powered
lines
located
along
Lexington,
the
construction,
because
the
narrowness
of
the
site,
which
is
30
feet
from
the
sidewalk
at
one
side
of
35
feet
on
the
other
to
the
wall,
actually
precludes
the
construction
of
according
to
OSHA
requirements.
B
So
what
they're
asking
for
is
the
assistance
of
the
city
to
take
on
and
bury
those
power
lines
to
take
care
of
that
infrastructure
issues,
so
they
can
move
forward
with
their
project.
They're
planning
an
investment
of
around
5
million
dollars
in
this
project
and
they're,
looking
at
or
and
I've
reviewed
pro
formas
and
they're.
Looking
at
a
red
structure
that
is
well
within
our
workforce,
housing
standards,
in
fact
approaching
on
one-bedroom
units
are
affordable,
housing
standards,
but
generally
within
our
workforce.
B
Housing
standards
for
for
a
rental
structure,
so
they
are
here
tonight
to
to
ask
for
your
assistance
and
staff
supports
this
to
enter
in
a
development
agreement.
This
development
agreement
is
pursuant
to
a
ncgs
160,
a
statute
that
authorizes
an
agreement
when
the
City
Council
finds
and
determines
that
the
project
is
likely
to
have
a
significant
effect
on
the
continued
revitalization
of
the
central
business
district
in
the
form
of
increasing
the
tax
property
tax
base
of
the
city,
which
this
would
significantly
do
and
serving
as
a
catalyst
for
further
development
in
downtown
area.
B
A
B
B
B
Is
correct,
whoever
that
doesn't
matter
what,
if
any,
construction
within
that
Carter
is
going
to
require
the
bearing
of
a
power
lines?
So,
in
the
worst-case
scenario,
the
Public
Interest
projects
was
not
building
this
project.
We
would
have
the
benefit
not
only
of
the
power
lives,
but
the
return
of
the
of
the
cost
of
that
to
enable
another
project
to
be
built
there.
So
the
buried
the
power
lines
is
going
to
be
a
condition
of
construction
on
that
particular
site.
I'm.
H
Madam
mayor
members
of
council,
it's
nice
to
be
back
here
again
in
a
few
years,
which
is
also
nice
me
at
least
I
hope
you
also.
Why
should
you
bury
these
power
lines?
Well,
I
appeared
before
you
a
few
years
ago
and
I
stated
that
I
was
our
intention
to
do
work,
force
housing
in
this
area,
and
we
have
spent
two
and
a
half
years
after
the
51
Biltmore
parking
garage
project
finally
got
the
go
and
was
being
constructed.
We
started
planning
to
do
more
force
housing
project.
H
We
tried
to
do
a
200
unit
project
on
this
site
and
other
nearby
sites.
He
went
to
HUD
we
got
an
initial
approval,
went
to
a
number
of
lenders.
We
had
an
agreement
with
one
lender.
We
had
our
plans
being
done
and
we
talked
to
a
number
of
contractors
trying
to
get
the
costs
to
a
point
where
that
project
would
work.
H
We
spent
two
and
a
half
years
doing
that
the
contractors
kept
telling
us
we
could
do
it,
we
could
do
it
and
every
time
they
come
back
with
the
prices
and
they'll
more
than
they
were
the
last
time.
So
finally,
we
had
to
give
up
on
the
large
project,
because
we
don't
we
don't
have
the
equity
we
couldn't.
We
couldn't
attract
the
equity
at
the
kind
of
returns
we're
getting
with
a
project
like
this.
We
cannot
get
conventional
equity
investors
because
the
return
is
too
low.
H
So
we
said:
okay,
we
will
drop
back
and
do
a
smaller
project
immediately
behind
the
garage.
This
project
also
doesn't
pencil
out.
We
have
a
significant
gap
compared
to
what
developers
normally
expect
and
doing
a
project,
but
we
want
to
do
work,
force
housing
and
we
believe
the
city
wants
us
to
do.
Work,
force,
housing
and
that's
why
we've
come
to
ask
you
to
bury
these
paralyzed?
Why
should
you
help
us?
H
Well,
we
have
this
great
walkable,
downtown
and
they're
a
bunch
of
wooden
utility
poles,
sticking
up
out
of
out
of
new
sidewalks
dangerous
for
pedestrians,
dangerous
for
handicapped
people
and
deterring
people
from
doing
better
development
on
the
sites
where
those
youths
holding
lines
are.
It
is
a
smart
investment
for
the
city
over
the
useful
life
of
this
project.
The
city's
share
the
property
taxes
and
the
wall
not
having
to
do
the
wall
project
to
cover
that
wall.
The
savings
will
generate
in
excess
of
five
to
six
times
the
sighs
the
city's
investment
I
know.
H
This
council
is
working
hard
to
make
varied
housing
options
available
within
the
city
limits.
You
will
be
enabling
us
to
do
a
workforce.
Housing
project
on
this
very
narrow
site
works.
Workforce
housing
is
the
biggest
need
to
maintain
our
downtown
as
a
welcoming
place
for
everybody.
We
have
three
to
four
times
as
many
luxury
units
in
downtown
as
we
have
workforce
housing
units
and
we
have
four
to
five
times
as
many
subsidized
affordable
units
in
downtown
the
real
gap
is
in
the
middle.
H
H
H
A
household
with
two
Priuses
out
in
the
county,
with
a
solar
array
on
their
green
house,
roof
we're
calling
this
workforce
housing,
but
for
downtown
workers
who
can
walk
to
work
and
get
rid
of
one
or
two
of
their
cars.
When
transportation
costs
are
rightly
considered
as
part
of
the
affordability
criteria,
these
apartments
will
be
more
affordable
than
conventionally
located
of
portable
housing.
Middle
income.
People
are
spending
well
over
thirty
percent
of
their
income
on
housing
and
often
as
much
or
more
on
transportation.
H
What's
our
track
record
on
doing
workforce
housing,
some
of
the
questions
I
was
hearing
ass,
bro
they're
really
going
to
do
it
over
the
last
23
years.
We've
done
a
large
number
of
projects
in
downtown.
Five
of
those
projects
were
apartment
buildings.
With
the
last
we
completed
during
the
recently
completed,
we
hope
Great
Recession.
In
those
five
downtown
buildings,
we
have
created
a
total
of
seventy
seven
apartments.
Ninety
five
of
those
apartments
have
been
in
remain
at
the
workforce.
H
H
The
city
has
been
unable
to
help
us
each
time
we'd
asked
in
the
past,
and
so
we
had
to
shoulder
those
costs,
in
addition
to
the
cost
of
doing
those
projects,
I'm
glad
to
go
into
the
details
on
all
those
projects,
if
you'd
like,
but
I
glad
could
go
forward.
Unless
somebody
raises
their
hand
on
this
narrow
site,
we
are
already
losing
fifteen
percent
of
our
first
and
second
floors,
because
the
city
wants
to
increase
the
size
and
sidewalk
by
five
feet,
but
we
only
have
30
feet.
H
So
that's
fifteen
percent
of
the
site
right
there.
We
no
longer
have
the
capital
necessary
to
shoulder
the
cost
of
correcting
the
public
space,
as
well
as
the
direct
cause
of
our
project.
To
do
this
as
a
workforce,
housing
project,
burying
your
lives
will
make
it
possible
to
do
the
housing
as
workforce
housing,
downtown's,
tremendous
success
and
vitality
is
helping
to
create
affordability,
challenges
all
over
the
community
for
people
trying
to
live
anywhere
inside
the
city
limits.
H
Many
are
being
forced
to
move
into
suburban
residences
and
trailers
out
in
the
county,
15
to
30
minutes
away
from
work.
There
has
been
much
talk
about
the
need
for
more
work
force
housing,
but
to
make
it
happen,
we
need
to
do
a
better
job
of
creating
public-private
partnerships
or
it
won't
get
done.
The
numbers
don't
work.
The
numbers
on
this
project
don't
work,
but
we
are
committed
to
doing
it.
You
can
give
us
the
help
of
burying
the
power
lines.
H
H
Me,
let
me
commit,
can
add
one
thing:
yes,
please,
I
do
I
have
been
in
conversation
with
Jeff
about
the
land
use
incentive
grant
program
and
in
looking
at
that,
I
think
there's.
Some
great
improvements
can
be
made
in
that
program
to
help
us
do
things
like
this,
and
I
would
also
to
commit
to
come
back
to
council
and
discuss
further
how
we
might
to
make
that
program
something
that
really
gets
used.
So
we
really
do
generate
sustainable
workforce
and
affordable
housing
in
the
community
because
it
has
not
been
used
very
much
today.
F
H
Oh
they're,
all
of
our
rents
are
actually
out
of
our
rents,
are
fairly
substantially
below
that
one
hundred
twenty
percent
cap
that
we
said
we're
not.
We
cannot,
frankly,
this
project
with
the
way
the
numbers
are
penciling
out.
Now
we
cannot
commit
to
a
fort
to
conventional,
affordable.
What
I
would
propose
to
you
all
is
to
look
at
the
reality.
The
situation
people
can
live
and
work
down.
Ty.
F
Away
from
that,
so
you're
saying
that
some
of
those
are
coming
in
under
eight
hundred
dollars,
exactly
okay,
yep,
that's
exciting!
These!
This
language
is
very
difficult
to
communicate
out.
David
Forbes
is
in
the
audience
he
did
recently
did
an
article
trying
to
explain
to
people.
What
do
we
mean
by
affordable
housing?
What
do
we
mean
by
workforce
housing?
So
everyone
first
of
all,
go
to
the
Asheville
blade
and
go
read
that
article
and
help
keep
David
afloat,
but
the
this
term
workforce
housing
plug
yeah.
It
was
totally
shameless.
F
This
workforce,
housing
Appalachian,
is
in
some
ways.
People
have
a
really
difficult
time
with
it
because
they
think
well
I
work,
I'm
workforce,
but
I
can't
afford
that.
So
just
to
be
clear.
This
workforce
name
that
we
use
indicates
that
the
rents
up
mean
that
people
who
are
making
between
eighty
percent
and
one
hundred
twenty
percent
of
the
area
median
income
we'll
spend
no
more
than
thirty
percent
of
their
income
on
housing.
That's
as
simple
as
I
know
how
to
say
it
and
even
that's
pretty
complicated.
F
So
that's
that's
the
window
we're
talking
about
when
we
say
workforce
and
that
comes
down
to
us
from
HUD,
which
is
it's
a
federal
term.
So
that's
how
we
kind
of
ended
up
with
it
sorry
to
go
off
on
that
tangent
Pat,
but
it's
kind
of
part
of
the
context.
I
had
two
other
questions.
One
was,
you
said:
we're
talking
about
the
housing
plus
transportation.
Do
these?
Are
these
folks
going
to
get
parking
spots
in
the
aloft
garage?
We.
H
Don't
frankly,
in
our
history,
we
do
not
typically
guarantee
people
parking.
We've
always
said
you
live
downtown.
We
did.
Our
first
project
was
the
Carolina
apartments
across
from
the
Indigo
people
passed
it
by
because
nobody,
it
had
no
parking
and
I
just
gotten
back
from
Washington
DC
ppl
park,
wherever
they
can
find
a
space,
and
we
thought
people
might
do
it
here
and
frankly,
we
haven't
had
any
trouble
with
that
excellent.
That's
really.
H
F
H
That
was
another
question
you
all
asked
and
that's
a
critical
question:
the
underground
not
having
the
lines
buried
has
been
the
biggest
impediment
to
us
being
able
to
go
forward
ever
since
we
drop
back
to
the
smaller
site.
We
can't
really
and
I,
didn't
find
out
about
the
OSHA
requirements.
That
said,
we
couldn't
I
thought
we
could
work
it
out
as
we
went
along,
but
apparently
the
OSHA
rules
are.
H
We
can't
even
start
construction
with
those
lines
like
they
are
and
frankly
you
have
your
city
lights
or
sticking
in
ten
feet
into
the
property
now
as
well,
so
we
have
to
have
the
lines
buried,
so
we
can
get
the
final
contractor
price,
and
so
we
get
the
bank
law
because,
right
now
it
keeps
being
something
that's
going
to
happen
sometime
in
the
future,
and
you
can't
get
pricing
that
way.
A.
G
Couple
of
questions
been,
first
of
all,
thanks
it,
you
know
public
interest
projects
has
had
a
great
commitment
in
this
community
a
lot
of
stuff.
It
is
great
about
this
community
wyndham
without
you
guys
so
much
appreciation
and
thanks
for
persevering
here,
the
parking
when
you
don't
provide
parking.
Is
it
been
your
experience
that
many
of
the
people
that
reside
in
the
in
place,
where
you
don't
provide
parking,
simply
don't
own
cars
deep?
Or
is
it
more
that
most
of
them
I?
Think.
H
They
find
ways
I
think
a
lot
of
them
do
own
cars.
Oh
no,
but
some
of
them
don't
ingest
some
don't.
But
it's
it's
I,
don't
know,
I've,
never.
Actually
a
wonderful
survey
for
us
and
do
but
I
think
we
have
a
significant
percentage.
You
do
not
own
a
car,
we
have
a
significant
percentage.
You
just
find
a
place
and
you.
E
H
Well,
the
time
period
is
the
little
bit
of
an
issue.
We
have
our
agreement.
If
we
don't
do
work
force
housing,
we
tow
you
back
the
$250,000
as
I
read
the
agreement.
The
draft
we've
done
I'm
asking
you
not
to
put
a
time
limit
on
I'm
telling
you
we've
done
77
units.
Ninety-Five
percent
of
them
have
been
workforce
housing
for
fifteen
ten
eight
years
without
us,
going
away
from
that
and
I'm
not
doing
it
because
I
don't
want
to
commit.
H
What
I'd
like
to
be
able
do
is
come
back
to
you
and
work
through
the
land,
use
improvement,
grant
process
and
hopefully
improve
that
process
at
the
same
time,
and
you
guys
can
put
the
requirement,
you
will
have
a
term
I'll
agree
to
a
term
at
that
point,
but
I
hate
to
agree,
because,
frankly,
frankly,
this
project
can't
be
done.
This
way
I
mean.
Is
that
we're
doing
it,
but
it
can't
be
done
and
so
we're
going
to
make
it
happen
and
we're
willing
to
do
that
will
make
the
commitment
to
do
that.
H
We
need
the
lines
buried.
I
really
would
like
to
see
the
land
use.
Improvement
grant
program
improved,
so
we
can
do
some
other
things
around
downtown.
That
I
think
would
be
helpful
because
there's
a
lot
of
potential
to
really
improve
that
program,
we
can
add
in
some
little
more
understanding
of
the
of
the
costs
and
the
benefits
of
people
living
right
in
downtown.
H
That's
what
we've
been
working
on
for
25
years
is
to
try
to
make
downtown
this
great
model
urban
livable
place
and
we
need
I
think
develop
to
get
other
developers
who
are
not
willing
to
take.
The
kind
of
returns
will
take
to
take
part
in
it.
We
need
to
improve
that
process
a
little
bit
so
I'm.
Sorry,
I'm,
answering
your
question.
Saying
no
I
do
not
want
to
make
a
commitment
in
time
right
now.
I
want
you
to
trust
me
based
on
our
history.
H
A
D
Why
didn't
they
know
then-
and
wouldn't
a
diligent
builder
have
known
then
that
you
couldn't
build
under
a
power
line,
so
they
left
themselves
this
parcel
and
and
now
tell
us
that
they
can't
build
on
it.
Unless
we
pay
for
burying
the
power
they
also
frankly,
I
mean
I
know
we
have
the
differences
opinion
here.
We
overpaid
for
the
property
that
we
put
the
Biltmore
parking
lot
on
by
maybe
two
million
dollars.
D
I
mean
that's
my
view
anyway,
and
I
may
be
wrong,
but
I
mean
it's
sort
of
like
they
took
us
to
the
bank
once
and
now,
they're
going
to
take
us
to
the
bank
again
to
build
a
project
they
promised
us.
They
would
build
in
this
description
here.
We're
saving
the
hundred
thousand
dollars
that
it
would
take
to
hide
the
ugly
block
wall.
Well,
we
weren't
going
to
have
to
hide
it.
They
were
told
us
from
the
beginning.
They
were
going
to
build
there.
D
A
I
Some
might
accuse
council
of
being
inconsistent
because
a
couple
weeks
ago
we
had
a
developer
proposing
to
do
apartments
on
sardis
road
who
asked
us
to
trust
him
as
well
about
maintaining
affordable
rates
in
the
future
and
when
he
would
not
commit
to
that.
We
well
they've
held
off
on
bringing
the
proposal
forward
here.
But
from
my
perspective,
Public
Interest
projects
has
a
terrific
track
record
of
serving
our
city
here,
and
this
is
entirely
different
circumstances.
It's
downtown
it
for
all
the
reasons
stated
here
tonight.
F
Like
to
make
a
motion,
okay,
first,
a
brief
comment:
this
is
$250,000.
We're
gonna
have
to
spend
whether
it's
public
interest
projects
or
somebody
who
wants
to
do
future
retail
or
somebody
that
wants
to
put
in
it
doesn't
matter
what
it
is.
This
is
an
infrastructure
piece
I
voted.
I
was
there
with
Cecil
back
when
we
both
voted
against
the
parking
garage
51
bill.
F
More
and
I
think
that
if
we
had
had
our
crystal
ball
out
and
seen
hey
here's
a
future
issue,
but
none
of
us
really
caught
this
I
think
this
is
just
something
that
I
mean
things.
We
miss
things
so
knowing
that,
no
matter
what
we
do,
no
matter
what
Public
Interest
project
does
we're
going
to
have
to
spend
this
money.
Also,
chris
is
right
that
the
the
track
record
is
there
they
build
this
stuff.
They
keep
it
affordable.
F
I've.
No
doubt
that
mr.
Whelan's
going
to
put
a
shoulder
to
the
wheel
on
this
thing
and
make
it
happen
as
far
as
future
land
use
incentive
grants.
Stuff
it'll
be
great
to
have
his
voice
in
on
that
we're
gonna
have
a
lot
of
voices
in
on
that
and
I
don't
want
that
to
get
tangled
up
with
what
we're
doing
tonight.
So
with
that
I'm
moved
to
approve
the
staff
recommendation
as
written
second.
I
J
Hello,
everybody,
my
name
is
Lauren
Baucus
and
I'm.
Just
confused
like
a
lot
of
folks
are
about
what
constitutes
workforce
in
Asheville.
It
was
stated
earlier
that
forty
percent
of
Asheville's
jobs
are
within
one
mile
of
downtown.
Well,
what
is
the
average
person
doing
at
one
of
those
jobs
most
likely
someone's
working
in
a
restaurant
or
a
retail
store?
That's
the
reality
of
a
lot
of
people's
situation.
J
You
know
and
part
of
me
it's
a
frustrating
situation,
so
I
don't
know,
that's
just
an
example
of
what
I
deal
with
as
a
single
person
and
I
worked
like
50
hours
a
week
between
those
three
jobs,
and
it
doesn't
seem
like
a
lot
of
average
working
people
would
be
able
to
afford
any
of
these
units.
Thank
you.
Thank.
K
Claire
Hanrahan
I
live
in
truly
affordable
housing.
Thirty
percent
of
my
minimal
social
security
income
I'm
grateful
I'm
very
grateful.
I
live
downtown.
I
know
that
there
probably
is
a
large
middle
of
working
people
who
cannot
live
and
enjoy
as
I
do
downtown
and
I,
don't
think
as
defined
work,
workforce
housing,
affordable
housing
isn't
truly
affordable
for
the
workers.
K
I
think
this
young
woman
spoke
to
it
quite
clearly
and
I
would
just
hope
that,
when
we
use
these
terms
that
we
defined
them
clearly
so
that
people
understand
so
that
we're
not
duped
by
something
that
sounds
affordable,
we
get
our
hopes
up
and
in
fact,
if
you
base
it
on
what
the
income
is,
the
median
income
when
you
have
multi
millionaires
in
that
equation,
something's
wrong.
Thank
you.
L
L
Don't
want
anybody
to
think
that
I'm
trying
to
be
a
smart,
alec
or
antagonize.
Anyone
right
I
want
to
be
friends
with
everybody
here,
but
what
I
don't
understand
is
why
everyone
finds
it
morally
appropriate
to
take
other
monies
other
people's
money
or
property
by
force
in
order
to
fund
these
projects.
I,
obviously
think
like
it
would
be
great
to
bury
the
power
lines.
It
would
be
great
to
to
accomplish
all
these
things,
but
I
think
it's
only
morally
right
if
you
accomplish
your
goals
voluntarily
on
without
force,
aggression
or
coercion.
F
We
know,
based
on
a
study
that
we
did
earlier
this
year,
that
forty
seven
percent
of
the
renters
in
the
city
of
Asheville
our
rent
burdened,
which
means
they're
paying
more
than
thirty
percent
of
their
income
for
their
housing.
We
know
that
when
we're
discussing
affordable
housing
that
what
we're
using
is
jargon
and
that
that
jargon
means
that
that's
at
eighty
percent
of
median
area
income
or
less
as
what's
defined
as
affordable,
there
are
subsets
of
that.
Sixty
percent
and
thirty
percent,
as
you
said,
Claire
also
median-
is
not
average.
F
We
r
do
not
saying
the
average
wage.
That's
not
what
we're
saying
we're
saying
the
median
wage,
the
middle
fifty
percent
are
making
more.
Fifty
percent
are
making
less
it's
a
really
important
distinction,
but
I
think
it
gets
lost
in
the
discussion
sometimes
and
next
month
october.
Fourteenth.
This
city
council
is
going
to
sit
down
to
a
comprehensive
work
session
around
affordable
housing
with
a
raft
of
affordable
housing
policies.
F
A
menu
that
this
council
is
going
to
be
addressing
because
we
know
that,
in
addition
to
getting
wages
up
in
this
town,
because
we
have
below
average
wages
and,
in
addition
to
providing
meaningful
transportation
options
like
you're,
seeing
down
on
the
river
district,
we
have
to
meaningfully
address
the
affordable
housing
issue
as
well.
Just
wanted
to
throw
out
there.
In
response
to
what
I
heard
and
I
appreciate
the
indulgence
of
council.
A
M
A
A
That's
it:
okay
regarding
the
Asheville
Regional
Airport,
and
to
transfer
property
and
operational
responsibility
for
the
airport,
to
the
greater
Asheville,
Regional,
Airport,
Authority
and
the-
and
I
am
the
presenter
on
this
because
bob
owes
who
prepared
the
attachment
to
your
agenda
is
not
able
to
be
here
with
us.
This
is
the
final
component
to
the
movement
toward
the
eventually
the
recognition
of
the
new
airport
authority
and
Bob
wanted
me
to
mention
that
the
FAA
has
already
approved
the
transfer
of
the
AG
center
property,
but
the.
A
D
A
A
O
It's
mayor,
councilmembers
I,
want
to
take
a
few
minutes
to
just
talk
about
Torrio
challenge
program
and
introduce
the
program
for
those
who
may
or
may
not
be
familiar
with
the
program.
Torrio
challenge
is
a
program.
It's
a
quasi-military
style
program
for
at-risk
kids,
16
17
18
year
olds,
who
have
either
dropped
out
of
high
school,
potentially
going
to
drop
out,
extend
expel
these
orchids
just
in
general
that
don't
forecast
graduation
in
their
future.
It's
a
17
month
program
broke
down
into
two
phases:
phase,
one
being
a
a
22-week
resident
phase.
O
They
come
to
live
with
us
for
22
weeks,
while
they're
at
the
academy.
We
offer
them
a
chance
to
get
a
GED.
We
teach
them
life.
Coping
skills
will
teach
them
military-style
drill.
On
ceremony
when
I
say
life,
coping
skills,
I'm,
talking,
stress
management,
anger,
management,
finance,
planning,
family
planning,
personal
hygiene,
resume.
Writing
teach
them
how
to
present
obsess
when
they're
going
for
a
job
interview
with
teach
military
style,
drill
and
ceremony
as
well,
because
a
lot
of
our
kids
around
rested
and
going
into
the
military
once
they
graduate
the
Academy
as
well.
O
They
have
24
7
supervision,
while
they're
at
the
academy.
We
have
full-time
staff
down
at
the
academy,
full-time
nursing
staff,
full
time,
kitchen
staff
full
time
Kadri.
We
have
male
female
characters
for
the
males
female
catteries
for
the
females.
Of
course,
they
live
in
separate
barracks
once
they
graduate
the
Academy
they're
assigned
a
train
mentor
for
12
months.
O
O
N
You
and
good
evening
again
I
have
completed
reading
agenda
and
I
am
in
a
funny
position:
I
want
to
make
application
for
submission
or
of
myself
to
board
and
commissioned
the
one
that
I
filled
out
was
one
that
I'm,
not
sure
exists,
oversight,
committee
or
board
or
Commission
for
graffiti
I.
Don't
think
you
have
that
oversight,
you
have
a
problem,
a
continuing
problem,
so
I
offer
myself
in
that
I
have
skills
I'm
reading
about
vacancy
homeless
initiative,
Advisory
Committee
and
Recreation
Board
I
am
homeless
vet
at
the
moment.
N
I
have
skills
that
could
be
used
on
for
that
and
also
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission
have
a
vacancy
I,
am
architect
not
licensed,
but
have
skills
in
that
area.
So
all
three
have
interest
to
me.
I
therefore
put
myself
at
the
mercy
of
whoever
making
decision
to
consider
me
for
all
three,
and
I
will
submit
my
name
in
effect.
To
that
extent,
wherever
I
can
be
used
best
in
that
person's
opinion.
Thank.
N
G
G
Q
Q
I'm,
a
taxpaying
citizen
of
the
resident
of
the
city
of
Asheville
on
october
22nd
of
just
this
past
year,
this
governing
body
minus
Councilwoman
Whistler,
because
you
weren't
on
the
council
at
that
time,
yet
ma'am
voted
unanimously
to
pass
what
has
been
referred
to
as
the
civil
liberties
resolution.
I
took
the
liberty
of
printing
out
a
copy
of
this
resolution
to
refresh
the
council's
memory.
Q
I
draw
your
attention
specifically
to
section
4
of
the
resolution,
which
reads:
city
of
Asheville
employees
do
not
and
shall
not
collect,
maintain
or
disseminate
information
of
any
individual
association
organization,
corporation
business
or
partnership
based
solely
on
political,
religious
or
social
views,
associations
or
activities.
Unless
said,
information
is
directly
related
to
investigation
of
criminal
conduct.
Now
pay
close
attention
to
that
word.
Q
Unless,
because
it's
going
to
figure
prominently,
it
so
happens
that
during
the
recent
moral
Monday
rally
held
at
pax
square
on
August,
the
fourth
one
Leigh
Thomas,
a
forensics
officer
with
the
APD,
was
observed
filming
this
peaceful
rally
in
direct
contradiction
into
this
for
mentioned
resolution.
This
gathering
was
political
in
nature.
Q
Unfortunately,
Chief
William
Anderson
has
stated
outright
that
APD,
indeed
filmed
war
Monday
that
they
are
keeping
the
tape
for
training
purposes.
So
it
was
my
belief
that
this
tape,
which
should
have
never
been
made
in
the
first
place
per
the
Civil
of
liberties
resolution,
should
now
be
destroyed.
I
felt
strongly
enough
about
this
issue
that
I
filed
a
complaint
with
APD
and
I
brought
the
concern
of
the
August
meeting
of
the
public
safety
committee
meeting
in
which
miss
Davis
mr.
Pelley
and
mr.
Bothwell
were
in
attendance.
Q
That
said
after
which
councilman
Bothwell
was
quoted
in
the
citizen
x
is
saying
that
the
taping
would
seem
to
be
at
odds
with
our
policy,
given
that
there
were
no
incidents,
I
don't
see
what
they
would
learn
about
control
if
there
had
been
some
kind
of
outburst
that
needed
to
be
controlled
and
using
a
video
to
show
how
they
attempted
to
control
it.
I
could
understand
that
better.
Since
nothing
happened.
Q
Q
You
know
I
mean
I
I,
don't
believe
there
was
criminal
activity,
oh
by
the
way
I'm
here
with
a
group
I
mention
that
to
the
city
attorney,
so
I
get
ten
minutes
with
my
three
other
people
break
their
hands
all
right.
So
thank
you.
So
I
additionally
filed
a
Freedom
of
Information
Act
request
to
gain
a
copy
of
this
tape.
You
know
considering
the
fact
that,
if
nothing
criminal
happened,
then
it
should
be
public
record.
Q
Well,
this
request
was
denied
denied
denied
by
the
City
Attorney's
Office,
and
the
statue
that
they
cited
was
132
dash,
1.4
Criminal,
Investigations
intelligence
information
records,
as
used
in
this
section,
which
is
subsection
B
dash,
two
records
of
criminal
intelligence
information
means
records
or
information
that
pertained
to
a
person
or
a
group
of
persons
that
is
compiled
by
public
law
enforcement
in
an
effort
to
anticipate,
prevent
or
monitor
possible
violations
of
the
law.
Now
I
was
stunned
to
hear
this.
Q
What
could
possibly
there
be
about
citizens
exercising
their
First
Amendment
rights
to
peacefully
assemble
that
would
warrant
a
criminal
investigation.
Now
I
personally
witnessed
several
members
of
council
in
attendance
at
more
money.
Mr.
Smith,
you
were
there
mayor
Mannheimer,
you
were
there
councilman
Bothwell,
you
were
there
now
I
want
to
know
how
y'all
feel
about
being
investigated
as
criminals
for
attending
a
political
event.
It's
not
a
rhetorical
question.
Q
The
reason
for
denying
this
foi
a
request
contradicts
the
reason
given
about
training.
Ok,
now
this
Sunday
asheville
citizen-times
did
a
huge
article
on
this
issue
of
videotaping
political
events,
only
to
learn
that
it's
been
going
on
for
over
a
decade
down
a
decade
now
I
know
that
proceeds
everyone's
tenure
on
this
council
except
mr.
Davis,
and
it
also
includes
chief
Anderson's
tenure
as
chief
of
police,
but
this
activity
runs
counter
to
your
civil
liberties
resolution.
Q
It
is
in
direct
contradiction
of
the
spirit
and
the
letter
of
what
y'all
past
as
City
Council,
okay
and
I
want
to
note
specifically
that
the
public
gatherings
that
have
been
detailed
so
far
as
having
been
taped,
Tea,
Party,
Tax
Day
occupy
Asheville
moral
Monday
I
mean
these
events,
cue,
the
left
or
right
spectrum,
but
they've
all
been
taped
by
APD
notice
that
we're
not
listening.
Hearing
about
APD
out
filming
shindig
on
the
green
or
moogfest
or
bele
chere.
Q
If
you
want
a
training
done,
wouldn't
you
go
after
some
of
the
largest
events
that
happen
in
Buncombe
County
and
not
three
and
a
half
thousand
people
in
front
of
the
clinic
County
Courthouse
standing
up
for
their
First
Amendment
rights.
Listen
I,
know
the
police
are
big
on
chain
of
command.
Okay.
So
let
me
tell
you
what
I've
done
on
chain
of
command?
Q
So
you
see
me
here
now
at
City
Council,
asking
that
all
of
you
who
voted
for
this,
who
believe
in
civil
liberties
in
this
city
stand
up
to
the
chief
of
police
and
tell
him
to
a
stop
filming
political
protests
and
be
destroy
this
ten
years
of
stuff
that
you
have
sitting
in
a
locker
somewhere
in
the
police
department.
I
mean
honestly,
like
there's
not
even
a
formal
retention
policy
in
place
for
these
materials
and
that's
against
state
law.
Q
So
you're
already
in
violation
of
state
law
and
the
bigger
thing
is:
the
police
have
gathered
no
actionable
criminal
intelligence
from
these
recordings.
So
if
it's
about
a
criminal
investigation,
obvi
the
citizens
of
this
great
community
know
how
to
peacefully
protest.
We've
been
doing
it
for
years.
You
know
we
redress
our
grievances
to
our
public
officials.
Now
the
chain
of
command
goes
further.
Q
If
y'all
can't
or
won't
accomplish
this,
then
my
only
next
resolution
is
to
use
the
ACLU
and
to
fire
file
a
federal
injunction
and
you've
been
sued
before
you're
being
sued
right
now,
because
you
didn't
stand
up
for
the
officer
who
went
against
the
Chief
of
Police
when
his
kid
was
out,
joyriding
and
recommended
stuff.
I
would
love
to
see
this
council
rain
in
a
PD
and
do
what's
necessary
to
protect
the
constitutional
rights
of
citizens
of
this
city.
Thank
you.
K
I
didn't
I
mean
I
appreciate
he
kind
of
set
it
up
a
little
bit,
but
I've
been
a
political
activist
in
this
town,
as
many
of
you
may
know,
for
a
well
over
a
decade,
maybe
even
two
I'm.
On
a
lot
of
those
films.
I've
stood
with
women
in
black
silent,
nonviolent
grieving
violence.
I've
stood
with
veterans
for
peace,
I've
recently
been
with
moral
Monday.
K
I
was
told
I
mean
there
were
hundreds
of
us
in
the
street,
mind
you,
but
12
of
us
were
selected
and
when
I
took
it
to
court.
I
said
why.
Why
me
we
were
told
the
officer
said
to
pick
out
people.
We
knew
people
we
recognized
well.
I
live
downtown,
have
for
some
time,
I
ride.
My
bike,
I,
walk
I,
take
the
bus,
I'm
visible,
well,
I
was
picked
out
and
selected
for
prosecution,
though
my
colleague
walking
right
beside
me
wearing
the
same
green
legal
observer
hat
was
not
I'm
saying
to
you.
K
Please
honor
this
resolution,
this
important
resolution
and
please
do
not
film
events.
It's
not
content
neutral
when
you're
filming
only
events
that
are
people
exercising
First,
Amendment,
Free,
Speech,
gathering
the
rights
who
are
expressing
dissent,
I,
don't
I,
don't
mark
on
your
walls.
I
do
stand
up
and
I
do
take
responsibility
for
when
I
do
choose
to
step
over
a
legal
line
and
I'll
stand
there
and
accept
the
consequences.
This
was
not
a
legal
consequences.
K
These
were
unsubstantiated,
three
charges
and
warrants
and
I
took
it
to
court
and
in
the
lower
court,
I
did
not
prevail,
but
another
one
who
did
take
it
to
the
higher
court
and
jury
trial
was
found
not
guilty.
Listen
to
that
something's
wrong.
If
we're
chilling
free
speech,
what
are
we
asking
people
to?
Do
it's
going
to
erupt,
somehow
we're
in
endless
war
folks
we're
bombing
as
we
speak.
People
are
going
to
rise
in
dissent.
Let's
not
make
it
a
crime
to
express
First,
Amendment
rights
and
not
have
this
illegal
surveillance.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
E
R
R
60
mile
walk
all
the
way
to
raleigh
with
this
plant
raising
cannabis
awareness
about
how
to
benefit
people.
I've
told
you
about
how
it's
benefited.
My
daughter
other
situations
like
that
there
was
a
thing
on
the
agenda
today
that
you
were
talking
about.
The
drugs
seized
your
money
that
you
were
going
to
put
it
towards
de
DWI
treatments
or
something
like
that.
I
saw
on
the
agenda
and
what
you
get
you
can
legally
get
that
money.
If
you
would
let
people
legally
buy
these
tax
stamps?
R
This
is
a
North
Carolina
marijuana
tax
stamp,
which,
how
is
how
you
get
your
drug
seizure
money
as
if
people
do
not
have
this
stamp
attached
to
their
controlled
substance,
but
what
I
was
doing
with
my
business
that
was
accepted
by
the
state
in
2011.
I
was
buying
these
stamps
for
my
plants
and
then
this
75%
of
that
money
goes
back
to
the
local
police
department.
Now
I
want
to
say
our
March.
It
took
us
the
18
days
to
get
there
sore
feet.
There
was
about
six
of
us
that
did
it.
R
Apodaca
had
a
seizure
20
years
ago,
and
if
there
was
anything
he
could
do
to
keep
a
parent
from
going
through
that
he
he
would
and
that's
when
he
asked
for
the
vote
and
the
CBD
bill
got
past.
But
they
really
didn't
know
exactly
what
they
tried
saying
that
it
came
from
a
hemp
extract.
And
if
you
look
at
the
definition
on
the
bill,
the
hemp
extract
comes
from
the
cannabis
plant,
which
is.
This
is
shiva.
It's
just
plastic,
so
we've
been
carrying
it
around
everywhere
and
what
it
does.
R
It's
so
sad
that
there's
people
out
there
that
can
benefit
from
this,
but
people
are
dying
almost
every
single
day
from
cancer
or
seizures
or
anything,
and
this
is
an
example
on
the
fourteenth
day
of
our
walk,
there
was
a
person
that
had
offered
us
a
place
to
stay.
Their
child
could
have
benefited
from
the
medicine,
but
didn't
have
access
to
the
medicine
that
child
drowned
into
the
swimming
pool
from
having
a
seizure.
So
just
in
that
18
day
period
there
was
a
person
lost
11
year
old
son,
where
my
daughter
is
15
years
old.
R
She
benefited
from
it
and
that's
where
I
I
appreciate
you
guys
the
last
time
accepting
the
you
would
back
the
hemp
bill
that
or
that
was
out
there,
the
industrial
bill,
but
I
never
heard
motions
on
it,
so
that
I
guess
that's
why
nothing
ever
became
of
it
but
I.
Thank
you
for
my
time
and
can't
thank
you.
S
My
name
is
rodney
jones
and
all
gone
and
respect
to
mayor
vice
mayor
and
council
members,
our
frequent
pritchard
park
lot
and
I'm
a
chess
player
and
the
park
warden
says
that
he
was
told
that
no
one
could
use
the
outlets
there
to
charge
their
cell
phones,
smartphones
or
whatever
I
actually
had
him.
Take
my
phone,
my
personal
property,
take
it
and
put
it
up
there
in
the
city
truck
because
I
had
went
to
the
store
while
it
was
charging
and
when
I
came
back,
I
swear,
it
was,
and
they
told
me
he
had
it.
S
Then
he
threatened
me
evil
for
247
dollar,
fine
for
still
in
city,
electricity,
I,
didn't
say
anything.
I
got
my
phone
back,
nothing
is
posted,
saying
people
can't
charge
the
selfless
I
mean
we
want
this
to
be
a
tourist
time.
We
want
this
to
be
people
friendly.
Surely
the
city
is
not
strapped
to
the
point
where
citizens
can't
charge
their
cell
phones.
I
saw
an
elderly
lady
you
one
of
those
power
wheelchairs.
She
needed
to
juice
up
her
battery
to
get
back
home.
He
wouldn't
let
her
do
it.
S
I
mean
something's
wrong,
something's
wrong
with
that
picture,
when
the
county
lets
citizens
of
the
city
use
electricity
to
charge
up
cell
phones
when
the
art
station
downtown
the
bus
depot,
let
citizens
charge
up
their
cell
phones,
I
can't
understand,
I,
don't
know
if
this
came
down
from
how
sauce
I
just
know
what
this
guy's
telling
people
and
that's
what
he's
telling
people
now
it
just
don't
seem
right.
It
doesn't
seem
right
why
else
the
fountain
in
the
park
kept
on
24
hours
a
day
when
the
park
closes
at
ten
o'clock.
S
If
we
worried
about
the
electricity
of
somebody
charge
their
cell
phone,
you
know
and
one
more
issue,
he
seems
to
have
a
problem
with
people
to
play
chess.
Whatever
reason
since
februari
a
march,
maybe
the
light
right
there
on
the
corner
in
the
park,
that's
right
there
over
the
chess
tables
has
been
out.
We've
done
we
supposed
to
next
to
them
to
report
it
for
it
to
be
fixed.
Other
lights
have
gone
out
and
been
fixed,
so
this
light
hasn't
been
fixed.
S
The
days
get
shorter
every
day
by
a
minute
or
so,
and
the
people
that
guys
like
to
play
chess
we're
going
out
I'm
going
to
be
cut,
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
keep
playing,
even
though
the
park
won't
close
to
ten
o'clock,
because
there's
no
light
there
and
obviously
he
hasn't
requested
that
it
be
fixed.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
P
I'm,
just
a
little
confused
and
I
hope
you
guys
can
straighten
this
out.
The
gentleman
that
spoke
tonight
about
building
the
house
I
mean
the
32
units,
the
$250,000
that
you
all
are
facilitating
to
help
him
do
that
will
be
supposedly
paid
off
in
about
10
to
12
years
because
of
the
tax
base.
That's
increasing!
P
It
was
going
to
be
costing
750
thousand
dollars
and
they
had
planned
on
it
being
much
less,
but
because
of
there's
only
one
Road
going
into
the
unit.
Now
so
he's
saying
that
the
fire
chief
said
that
if
there
were
two
entrances
to
the
place,
then
that
cost
would
be
gone.
So
I'm
asking
that's
one
point
I'm,
just
curious:
why
you're
possibly
going
to
have
a
hundred
and
eight
units
built
at
this
on
sardis,
road
and
you're,
going
to
it's
going
to
increase
the
tax
base
you're
going
to
help
people
who
want
to
get
ahead?
P
These
people
who
are
blind
will
be
able
to
walk
to
and
from
work
they.
Some
of
these
people
drive
more
than
an
hour,
have
to
pay
someone
to
drive
them
all
the
way
here.
So
that
was
one
question
that
I
had
and
I
just
throwing
that
out
to
you
as
a
concerned
citizen
that
I
think
we
need
to
help
them
just
as
much
as
we
help
anybody
else.
Ok,
the
other
thing
is
I'm
curious.
P
Why
the
art
museum
director
or
the
person
that
the
diana
wortham
theater
has
not
signed
the
lease
that
you
all
gave
them
to
be
a
participant
in
this
new
consortium
whatever
it
is
that
you,
you
call
it
that
you're
going
to
be
having
with
the
art
museum
the
Diana
organ
thing,
they're,
obviously
asking
for
something
more.
If
they
have
not
signed
it,
you're
telling
me
that
you're
going
to
pay
for
the
management
of
this
you're
going
to
hire
an
outside
agency
to
pay
to
manage
that
property
and
again.
So
what
are
you
doing
again?
P
You
are
submitting
costs
to
the
city
that
we
will
have
to
pay
as
taxpayers
and
you're
saying
that
it's
because
we
need
we
needed
you
all
to
take
pack
place
over
I.
Don't
think
that's
true!
The
pack
place
consortium
was
doing
just
fine.
The
art
museum
director
wanted
things
her
way.
It
didn't
go
her
way,
so
she
started
dealing
with
you
all
I,
don't
I
I
think
you're
asking
the
tax
play
at
payer
to
again
assume
a
cost
it
doesn't
have
to
have
to
have
and
you're
trying
to
become
managers
of
property.
A
Okay,
anyone
else,
sorry,
we
all
know
you've
already
spoken
one
time
and
I'm
not
I
can't
allow
everyone
to
continue
to
speak.
It's
a
one,
it's
one
time,
gig
at
the
at
this
portion
of
the
of
the
meeting,
but
thank
you
you're
welcome
to
attend
again.
Thank
you
all
right.
No,
I'm
gonna
I'm
going
to
close
this
out
unless
there's
anyone
who
hasn't
spoken
and
hasn't
yielded
their
time.
Who
would
like
to
speak
on
something
that
was
not
on
the
agenda?
Otherwise,
all
right,
we
are
still.
T
T
A
T
I
totally
understand
where
you
come
from
I
just
briefly:
I
can
I
can
address
just
generally,
not
specific
things
on
the
budget,
but
just
the
continued
throwing
of
money
at
law
enforcement
for
this
disastrous
epic
failure
that
we
call
the
war
on
drugs
and
right
now
around
the
country.
There
is
a
movement
to
legalize
cannabis,
not
just
for
medical
use,
but
also
for
recreational
use.
That's
boosting
economies
in
every
city
that
it's
being
put
in
to
so
we
are
behind
the
times.
I
really
want
to
really
urge
this
council
to
seriously
think
just
economically.
T
If,
if
nothing
else
and
what's
going
to
happen,
if
we
are
behind,
while
all
the
rest
of
these
places
are
taking
the
type
of
tourist
dollars
that
should
be
coming
to
our
town,
because
people
feel
oppressed
by
basically
I'd
say
it,
but
you
know
for
lack
of
a
better
word,
a
police
state.
So
as
long
as
we
continue
to
throw
money
in
these
huge
amounts
into
this
black
hole,
we're
just
going
to
continue
to
to
contribute
to
our
own
recessions
and
and
and
economic
viability.
T
And
really,
please
start
looking
at
this
because
it's
going
to
happen,
it's
inevitable.
So
let's
get
ahead
of
the
game
like
we
are
on
so
many
other
levels.
You
know
race,
politics,
socially,
so
many
environmentally.
Let's
get
ahead
of
this
game
now
and
and
really
start
looking
in
and
start
thinking
about
this
and
start
putting
some
things
into
place
because
city
at
the
city
of
Asheville
I've,
been
here
over
20
years,
is
the
bastion
of
free
thinking
and
progressiveness
it'll
very
large
area
around
that
I've
ever
been
don't.
T
You
know
I'll
do
what
I
can
bat
my
eyes
a
little
bit
more,
miss
Mayer,
but
so
thank
you.
So
much
I
do
appreciate
you
all,
but
please,
let
literally
start
thinking
about
this.
Logically,
you
know
there
are
better
things
for
our
officers
to
be
doing
they're
running
around
chasing
after
these
you
know
petty
criminals
and
and
and
let's
get
on
board
with,
what's
going
on,
not
just
in
this
country
but
around
the
world
and
and
and
look
at
economic
solutions
to
ending
this
drug
war.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
I
D
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like
to
insert
a
comment
at
this
moment
just
because
I,
it's
a
chance
to
address
an
issue
that
I
think
is
really
really
urgent.
I
spent
four
years,
my
first
four
years
on
council
attempting
to
give
a
civil
liberties
resolution
passed
by
this
council
I
met
with
a
group
of
clergy
across
the
city
with
civil
liberties
groups,
with
Latino
groups
with
the
end
n-double-a-cp,
a
number
of
groups
batted
around
in
Council
and
that
Public
Safety
Committee.
D
We
finally
agreed
to
that
resolution
and
I
am
personally
appalled
that
the
city
police
department
is
not
following
the
resolution
that
we
approved
well
to
me
it.
What
was
said
tonight
was
so
clear.
We
do
not
video
the
police,
apparently,
to
my
knowledge,
do
not
videotape
shindig
on
the
green.
They
don't
videotape
people
playing
in
splash
ville.
They
don't
videotape
as
far
as
I
know
moogfest,
but
a
videotaped,
a
political
gathering.
Now
I,
don't
know
what
other
things
they
videotape.
It
is
wrong.
D
I
intend
to
continue
to
push
on
this
I'm,
going
to
see
that
process
stopped
and
I'm,
certainly
in
the
interim,
going
to
find
a
way
to
have
a
definite
process
for
destroying
tapes.
If
there
is
no
criminal,
behavior
I
see
no
excuse
whatsoever
for
saying
that,
there's
going
to
be
some
kind
of
training
benefit
from
a
peaceful
gathering.
We
already
going
to
train
the
police
to
show.
Well,
nothing
happened,
you
know
I'm,
sorry,
I
am
pissed.
I
am
really
really
pissed
that
I
spent
my
fur
my
full
first
term.
That
was
my
main
issue.