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From YouTube: City Council Reparations Commission Interviews
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February 15, 2022
A
Good
afternoon
my
name
is
esther
manheimer,
I'm
the
mayor
of
the
city
of
asheville,
and
I'd
like
to
welcome
you
to
the
city
council
interviews
for
the
reparations
commission.
All
council
committee,
members
and
interviewees
are
participating.
Virtually
we
are
streaming
live
on
our
virtual
engagement
hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city's
website.
A
A
Just
as
a
reminder
to
folks,
we
ask
that
applicants
designate
impact
areas
and
those
five
impact
areas
are
criminal,
justice,
economic
development,
education,
health
care
and
housing.
In
other
words,
we
asked
applicants
to
tell
us
what
area
impact
area
they
think
their
application
falls
under
the
reparation
commission's
commission
will
be
empowered
to
make
short
medium
and
long-term
recommendations
that
will
make
significant
progress
toward
repairing
the
damage
caused
by
public
and
private
systemic
racism.
A
So
with
that,
we
are
going
to
begin
with
our
first
candidate,
karen
teal
and
karen.
If
you
could
look
around
my
screen,
I
think
you're
there
somewhere.
If
you
could
just
begin
by
telling
us
a
little
bit
about
yourself,
why
you'd
like
to
serve
on
the
reparations
commission
and
what
impact
area
are
you
designated
in
your
application?
Thank
you.
B
B
B
I
went
back
into
the
classroom
and
I
found
that
I
was
struggling
with
my
mostly
all
african-american
students,
so
I
invited
a
a
colleague,
a
fellow
student
who
was
in
the
same
doctoral
program
at
uc,
berkeley,
jennifer
obida,
to
come
into
my
classroom
to
coach
me.
She
is
black
woman.
I
grew
up
in
barbados
and
I
had
a
masters
in
african-american
studies
from
yale
and
anyway
we
worked
together.
B
She
came
in
my
classroom
to
coach
me
worked
together
for
three
years
and
ended
up
writing
a
couple
of
books
about
ever
out
about
our
experience.
It
was
an
incredibly
eye-opening
ex
and
transformative
experience.
For
me,
because
of
having
to
face
my
own
racism
and
that
that
explained
partly
explained
why
I
was
struggling
with
my
students
to
support
them
and
encourage
them
and
to
have
a
really
good
relationship
with
them.
B
B
Oh,
I
meant
I
meant
to
say
that
after
I
was
working
in
the
in
my
classroom,
the
7th
and
8th
graders.
I
started
working
as
a
professor
at
a
university
in
oakland
california,
working
with
graduate
students
who
are
becoming
teachers
and
masters
and
doctoral
students,
and
we
are
preparing
them
to
work
with
students
in
the
inner
city
oakland.
B
B
C
B
So
I
reached
out
to
the
assistant
superintendent
of
schools.
At
that
time,
dr
dick
dickerson
wrote
a
letter
asking
if
we
could
get
together
and
talk
about
my
experience,
and
you
know
what
what
I
had
done
in
california
as
an
educator
and
some
ideas
I
had
about
addressing
the
achievement
gap.
I
also
reached
out
to
april
april
dockery.
I
believe
her
name
is
the
principal
of
asheville
middle
school
about
somehow
getting
involved
there,
but
soon
after
that,
the
covid
came
along
and,
of
course,
shut
everything
down.
B
B
B
So
my
my
goal
was
to
try
to
become
more
familiar
with
what
was
going
on
here,
try
to
get
involved
with
the
ash,
the
black
community
here
and
to
see
what
I
could
do
to
make
any
kind
of
difference
in
my
own
individual
way
as
a
white
ally
really
and
along
with
the
racial
equity
institute.
I
was
involved
with
the
racial
justice
coalition,
different
programs
that
they
had
all
of
this
was,
of
course,
online
and
zooming.
B
I
joined
a
a
group
called
aware
la
the
alliance
of
white
anti-racist
everywhere,
the
keep
it
moving
coalition.
That
was
a
it's
a
spin-off
from
the
building
to
you,
know,
building
bridges
and
racial
equity
institute
workshops,
and
I
have
been
very
involved
now
in
the
with
the
asheville
community
theater,
where
we're
undergoing
some
diversity,
equity
and
inclusion
work.
F
F
I
think
we're
all
aware
that
there
is
a
opportunity.
Sometimes
we
call
it
an
achievement
gap
in
asheville
city
schools.
Have
you
given
thought
to
how
you,
as
an
educator,
could
play
an
active
role
in
working
with
white
women,
in
particular,
to
decrease
or
to
cause
less
harm
to
african
american
students.
B
Yeah
well-
and
I
learned
that
about
myself
as
I
worked
with
jennifer
obi-da
in
my
classroom,
and
then
we
turned
that
went
around
the
country
talking
about
the
work
we'd
done
together,
we
even
went
to
south
africa,
which
was
amazing,
and
I
talked
to
talk
to
large
groups
of
white
teachers
who
we
were
meeting
with
it
was.
It
was
pretty
sobering
and
upsetting,
because
there
was
a
lot
of
resistance.
I
got
hate
letters.
G
B
Not
talking
about
anybody
else,
but
myself-
and
this
has
been
my
experience-
and
this
is
what
I'm
I'm
sharing
with
you
in
case.
You
resonate
with
it,
and
so
that
would
be
what
I
would.
I
would
jump
at
the
opportunity
of
doing
that,
working
with
white
teachers
if
they
were
willing,
ready
and
willing
to
go
through
that
same
journey
that
I
went
through
and
I'm
still
going
through
and
will
for
my
entire
life
to
look
at
their
own
racism
and
how
it
can
be
contributing
to
the
the
lack
of
achievement.
A
Okay,
thank
you
so
much.
Thank
you.
Okay,
we're
over
our
time
we're
gonna
move
on
to
the
next.
Thank
you
very
much
for
joining
us.
Ms
steele
we're
gonna
move
on
to
our
next
interviewee
cece
weston,
and
I
guess
again
I
guess
I
should
have
made
this
a
little
bit
clearer.
There
may
be
questions
that
council
members
would
like
to
ask
so
give
us
a
chance.
If
you
know,
of
course,
we
want
to
hear
from
you
but
give
us
a
chance
to
ask
you
some
questions
and
miss
weston.
H
I
have
been
working
with
education
since
I've
been
back
so
that's
been
30
plus
years
and
the
impact
the
impact
and
there's
an
echo.
So
it's
kind
of
distracting
me,
I'm
sorry,
but
the
impact
that
I
have
experienced
has
been
around
education,
workforce
development
and
economic
development,
and
I'm
going
to
explain
how
that
has
tied
into
it.
H
I
currently
own
a
learning
center,
which
is
the
christine
avery
learning
center
and
we
serve
students,
ages,
2
to
15
years
old,
and
so
we're
catching
them
at
the
preschool
age,
working
with
them
in
the
elementary
age
and
also
working
with
the
students
in
the
middle
school
age.
And
what
I've
seen
over
the
years
is
that
students
who
are
in
elementary
and
middle
schools
have
a
really
difficult
time
in
the
school
system.
H
So
we
start
that
at
the
ages,
two
to
five,
the
preschool
age
we
start
implanting
in
our
students
who
they
are,
how
important
they
are
they're
beautiful.
They
can
learn,
and
those
are
things
that
we
include
in
our
curriculum.
How
does
that?
How
does
our
impact
tie
into
workforce
development
again
with
our
program?
We
have
natives
of
asheville
african
americans,
mostly
on
our
staff,
who
have
been
pretty
much
shut
out.
H
So
the
economic
was
not
there
for
her,
and
so
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
take
those
people
who
have
been
impacted
by
economics
and
not
having
what
they
need
to
better
themselves
and
create
an
environment
so
that
they
can
better
themselves
in
other
programs.
I
don't
think
that
she
would
have
been
able
to
do
that,
because
again,
the
requirements
are
there
that
they
should.
I
H
Another
thing
that
I
look
at
in
running
this
program
that
we
have
is
that
we
don't
have
the
resources
that
some
of
our
counterparts
have,
and
I
have
to
do
a
comparison,
because
there
are
other
preschool
programs
in
the
city
that
are
able
to
build
these
fantastic
buildings.
Have
these
wonderful
resources
have
this
great
technology
and
we
struggle
every
day
to
try
to
make
those
ends
meet.
H
We
struggle
to
try
to
provide
the
the
best
supplies
for
our
students
to
learn
for
our
teachers
to
work,
so
we
don't
have
those
same
opportunities
that
our
co-workers
have
or
I'll
say.
I
would
say,
our
counterparts
have
in
the
same
field,
so
that
has
been
a
great
pat
great
impact
on
the
african-american
community,
particularly
those
of
us
who
have
small
businesses.
H
J
Okay,
hi
hi,
christy
hi,
oh
cece.
First
of
all,
I'd
like
to
actually
commend
you
for
what
you're
doing,
because
that
is
the
most
important
thing
you're
doing
there
you're
building
up
a
foundation
for
these
kids
to
build
on,
and
that
is
the
problem
we
can't
our
kids
do
not
have
that
foundation
and
that's
what
you're
doing
here
and
I
I
applaud
you
with
that.
I
I
think
that,
basically,
you
are
on
the
track
that
we
actually
need,
and
I
I
I
can't
I
was
listening
to
you
and
I'm
like.
J
J
That's
impacted
you're
around
it
every
day
and
when
you
talked
about
the
small
business
people
and
how
difficult
it
is
for
them
and
that's
exactly
right,
it
is
so
challenging,
and
so
just
having
that
knowledge
and
having
that
experience
and
knowing
what
it
takes,
I
really
appreciate
you
applying
and-
and
I
I
look
forward
to
hopefully
you
being
on
the
committee.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
D
H
Sure-
and
I'm
glad
you
asked
thank
you.
One
of
the
things
that
I
see
taking
place
in
our
city
and
I'm
going
to
talk
really
fast
here-
is
that
when
our
students
graduate
from
high
school,
if
they
get
that
far,
and
they
don't
have
the
opportunity
to
go
to
college
and
they
may
not
go
to
the
military,
then
what's
left
for
them
to
do,
and
so
there's
a
lot
of
lag.
There.
H
There's
a
lot
of
lack
there
and-
and
I
was
thinking
that
building
a
project,
a
program,
something
some
type
of
resource
to
create
training,
opportunities,
skill
building,
even
offering
jobs
that
provide
internships
so
that
they
can
learn
and
become
productive
citizens
and
walk
into
better
jobs
and
paying
positions.
Because
right
now,
when
they
leave
high
school,
they
don't
have
that
opportunity
and
so
they're
left
in
the
streets
which
increases
the
crime
in
the
community.
D
K
H
I
would
love
for
the
city
of
asheville
to
create
an
opportunity
for
small
african
american
owned
businesses
to
buy
land
buy
buildings,
but
just
create
a
space
for
us
to
be
able
to
operate
our
businesses
so
that
we
won't
have
to
struggle
for
those
spaces.
You
may
find
that
many
of
the
african-american
businesses
end
up
not
operating
or
have
to
close,
because
again
spacing
is
an
issue
a
place
to
operate.
A
Thank
you
so
much
for
joining
us
here
today.
Miss
weston,
we're
gonna
have
to
move
on
quickly
to
our
next.
Thank
you.
What's
going
on
with
this,
oh,
the
beeping
is
the
end
of
the
okay.
All
right.
Thank
you
for
the
countdown
staff,
all
right,
we're
now
gonna
welcome
asandu
mcpeeters
and
I'm
looking
on
my
screen.
I
believe
I
see
mr
mcpheeters,
if
you
could
hello
there,
if
you
could
just
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
yourself
and
why
you
are
interested
in
serving
on
the
commission.
L
C
F
A
A
L
L
As
far
as
why
I
want
to
serve
on
this
commission,
my
previous
employment
was
youth
and
young,
adult
ministry
for
the
episcopal
churches
in
north
carolina
and
during
that
time
is
when
I
began
to
actually
kind
of
see
the
disparities
involved
within
the
community
and
across
the
state.
You
know
for
people
of
color,
and
so
my
reasoning
for
wanting
to
serve
on
this
commission
is
for
a,
I
guess,
a
youth
and
young
adult
perspective.
L
I
look
at
the
future
of
of
asheville
and
the
surrounding
you
know,
city
and
county,
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
the
the
youth
and
young
adults
that
are
growing
up
understand
first
off.
You
know
where
the
cities
come
from.
As
far
as
these
discussions
of
reparations
and
the
root
causes
of
of
how
they
happened,
how
they
are
now
in
ways
that
we
can.
You
know
work
together
and
come
about
so
that
everybody
has
an
equal
opportunity
for
circumstances.
L
F
L
Yes,
ma'am,
so
my
very
first
job
I
worked
for
interim
healthcare
and
I
served
with
people
basically
helping
supply
cnas
nurses
for
home
health
care
around
the
community,
so
that
was
essentially
my
first
job
in
and
I
met
some
connections
on
people
within
the
healthcare
industry
and
you
know
helping
us
to
to
serve
the
needs
of
you
know
both
people
in
facilities
and
also
for
in
their
homes.
As
far
as
that
care.
E
This
is
gwen
whistler
thanks
for
thanks
for
applying,
so
what
the
of
the
five
impact
areas?
What
would
you
where
would
you
see
your
biggest
impact?
And
secondly,
if
you
weren't,
if
you
weren't,
appointed
to
this
commission,
what
would
you
see
your
role
out,
not
being
a
member
of
the
commission,
but
how
would
you
try
to
impact
or
be
involved
with
the
reparations
process.
L
Oh
good
question,
so
my
current
job
is,
I
work
in
financials,
and
so
I
think
my
biggest
impact
could
be
in
in
helping
everyone,
both
youth,
young
adults
and
people
within
the
community,
on
on
how
to
grow
their
finance,
how
to
how
to
have
financial
wealth?
How
to
save
you
know
the
the
pros
and
cons
of
of
your
finances
and
how
it
impacts
your
your
your
day-to-day
activity,
and
so
I
enjoy
that.
L
One
of
my
favorite
things
to
do
at
my
current
job
is
to
actually
lead
programs
to
discuss
the
importance
of
of
your
financial
wealth.
So
I
think
that
that
would
be
my
my
number
one
two
is.
I
have
extensive
background
knowledge
for
anti-racism,
and
I
I
love
that
I'm
able
to
share
the
language
so
that
these
discussions
can
actually
happen.
L
You
know
to
build
relationships
and
actually
start
the
process
of
the
work
that
the
commission
is
looking
to
do
so
I
enjoy
getting
people
together
and
you
know
addressing
these
root
causes
by
first
growing,
together
as
people
growing
our
relationships
together
and
building.
You
know
building
the
verbiage
so
that
we
can
actually
be
on
the
same
ground
to
talk
about
these.
L
These
tough
topics-
and
I
think
third-
I
I
answered
that
before,
but
I
I
still
tutor
and
mentor
with
youth,
not
just
in
buncombe
county,
because
I
actually
work
in
henderson
county,
but
through
all
western
north
carolina.
So
my
third
thing
would
be
helping
this
commission
reach
out
to
the
youth
so
that
you
know
we
get
there.
M
F
J
J
L
So
I
think
that
providing
support
for
actually
what
they're
wanting
to
do,
whether
it's
art,
whether
it's
music,
whether
it
is
business,
I
think,
being
supportive
and
and
being
there.
We
we're
in
a
tough
time-
and
I
I
think
a
lot
of
people
just
like
all
of
us
do-
is
that
they
look
forward
to
someone
to
talk
to.
So
that's
that's
the
first
thing.
The
second
thing
is
that
we
have
to
provide
real,
realistic
expectations.
L
Making
those
kind
of
dreams
and
insights
come
true,
because
you
know,
as
we
all
know,
that
that
ground
can
sometimes
be
unequal
for
for
people
of
of
all
colors
to
attain.
So
the
support
the
mentorship,
but
also
to
help
people
build
those
goals
so
that
they
can
make
it
in
life
is
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
that
is
missing.
For
you
know,
minority
and
and
people
of
color
children.
L
D
L
Yeah,
so
when
I
worked
for
the
episcopal
church,
that
was
my
job
is
to
actually
develop
trainings
weekends
overnight
courses,
programs
tutorials,
all
of
that
just
to
help
with
faith.
So
for
seven
years
I
was
in
that
role
and
even
here
with
my
job
at
financials,
I
I
still
help
with
you
know,
building
building
foundations
here
for
us
to
continue
to
grow
in.
L
So
I
love
that
I
love
working
with
people
to
to
to
come
across
programs
and
activities
or
information
that
that's
needed
so
that
we
can
address
these
topics
and,
if
I
didn't
mention
it
before,
like
I'm,
I'm
very
involved
with
root
cause,
and
so
this
is
a
very
root
cause
topic
and
so
essentially
that
that's
my
priority
is
to
get
to
the
root
causes
of
what
this
is
done.
What
this
is
created
and
essentially
how
we
can
overcome
to
help
broaden,
not
only
the
conversation
but
to
help
people
of
color
minorities
have
equal
footing.
A
Well,
thank
you
very
much
for
joining
us
today.
That
is
our
time
we're
going
to
move
on
to
dr
mullins
next.
Thank
you
again,
dr
mullen
welcome
to
the
asheville
city
council
interviews
for
the
reparations
commission.
If
you
could
just
begin
by
telling
us
a
little
bit
about
yourself
and
why
you'd
like
to
serve
on
the
commission.
F
So
I'm
happy
to
jump
in
right
now.
Dr
bolan
is
antoinette
good
to
see
you
and,
of
course,
I
think
everyone
knows
that
my
claim
to
fame
has
been
being
your
neighbor
for
at
least
the
past
35
years.
So
today
and
looking
at
your
application,
it's
clear
to
me
that,
frankly,
you
can
fit
into
any
of
the
impact
fields,
but
I'd
like
to
ask
you
questions
related
to
two:
those
are
education
and
housing.
F
First,
I'm
gonna
throw
you
in
quicksand
and
ask
you
at
from
an
educational
standpoint,
point
your
thought
of
your
thoughts
concerning
the
opportunity
and
achievement
gap,
specifically
your
thoughts
on
actual
city
schools,
recent
decision
to
close
asheville,
primary
and
montessori
keeping
in
mind,
and
I'm
sure,
you've
heard
of
the
book
nice
racism
and
also
nice
fight.
Ladies,
that's
the
first,
the
second
as
it
relates
to
housing.
F
I
Oh,
thank
you.
Thank
you
with
education.
It's
it's
problematic
because
we
we
we've
assumed
that
education
is
colorblind
and
that's
been
the
assumption.
Since
the
desegregation
in
the
late
60s
early
70s
that
if
we
put
the
children
in
one
classroom,
then
the
same
education
will
come
out
equally
for
all
the
children.
I
But
data
indicates
that
that's
just
not
true
and
and
and
so
we've
resigned
it
asheville
city
schools
as
a
responded
over
the
years
by
creating
different
scenarios
and
programs
designed
to
address
the
different
outcomes
that
students
were
having
by
race
and
by
gender
and
the
school
campuses
kind
of
reflect
that
what
we
thought
we
began
as
a
magnet
system
that
we
would
begin
addressing
the
needs
of
these
students,
more
specifically
through
that
system.
But
that's
not
what's
happened.
I
Is
that
the
social
determinants,
the
things
like
employment
and
health
care
and
the
condition
of
your
house
in
the
neighborhood
you're
in
and
the
idea
that
people
who
are
closest
to
you
are
educated,
not
educated
or
various
stages
of
education,
those
things
all
interact.
They
can't
be
isolated
and
treated
sequentially
as
though
they're
independent
silos,
and
because
of
that
black
schools
that
I
have
seen
addressed.
Success.
I
Opportunities
are
also
internally
addressing
each
of
those
social
determinants,
and
so
if
those
schools
are
going
to
be
closed,
it
seems
to
me
the
next
question
becomes
what
gets
opened
in
their
place.
Are
they
really
addressing
the
needs
of
these
children,
or
are
we
again
going
through
programmatic
changes
that
delay
ultimate
responsibility
in
terms
of
housing?
You
know
and
in
terms
of
also
education,
you've
got
to
look
at
median
income
and
then
median
income.
I
I
We
were
looking
at
median
income
for
a
family
of
four
being
right
around
thirty
three
thirty,
two
to
thirty
four
thousand
dollars.
The
american
community
survey
updated
that,
but
it
didn't
update
it
too
much
beyond
what
the
current
federal
poverty
level
is.
In
other
words,
the
median
income
for
black
families
is
just
slightly
above
what
the
federal
poverty
level
is
for
black
families.
I
I
I
think
that
that's
skewed
and
I'm
I'm
checking
the
data
and
I've
found
several
sources
that
are
also
questioning
those
those
numbers
and
that,
I
doubt
seriously,
if
african-american
media
family
income
is
at
forty
five
thousand
dollars
for
a
family
of
four,
but
even
if
it
is
we're
talking
about
the
effects
of
gentrification
on
the
african-american
community.
In
that
it
appears
to
me
that
the
explanation
are
migrate.
I
Migration
patterns,
people
are
leaving
the
city
leaving
the
county
in
order
to
find
affordable
housing
and
leaving
in
their
wake
those
who
can
stay
because
they
can't
afford
it.
That's
the
only
explanation
I
can
think
of
for
why
there
would
be
such
a
dramatic
change
in
what
the
data
indicator
of
the
family
incomes
of
black
families
living
here
in
the
city,
but
that
doesn't
address
even
making
40
45
000
a
year.
Let
loan
34
000
that
doesn't
address
the
housing's
challenges
regarding
the
median
selling
price
of
a
house.
I
I
mean
we're
talking
three
hundred
and
forty
thousand
dollars.
You
know,
and
three
hundred
forty
thousand
dollars,
if
you're
making
forty
thousand
dollars
you
are
not
qualifying
for
a
mortgage
and
so
that
that
type
of
crisis
in
housing
to
me
is
really
indicative
of
something
that
I
think
reparations
process
is,
is
bringing
to
the
forefront
in
that
most
of
most
of
our.
I
My
experiences
are
that
it's
not
that
black
families
and
black
people
are
separate,
and
apart
and
unique,
even
though
we've
been
peripheralized
and
segregated
and
incarcerated
and
enslaved,
all
those
types
of
histories
do
apply
specifically
and
harshly
to
us.
It's
not
that
our
outcomes
are
so
unique
that
they
can't
be
related
to.
What
I
find
instead
is
that
we
are
much
more
likely
to
be
like.
I
I
It's
a
direct
line,
not
just
here
in
asheville
from
every
area
in
met
that
was
affected
by
urban
renewal.
We
can
find
the
same.
I
just
did
some
work
also
in
oklahoma,
and
it
was
the
same
thing
there
the
same
thing
there
direct
line
between
the
destruction
of
the
communities
and
the
unfair
portability
of
communities.
Today
you
know
I'm
looking
at
this
clock
tick.
So
that's
why
I
talk
so
fast.
G
N
You
so
much
for
considering
this
application
and
joining
us
in
this
endeavor.
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
the
housing
numbers
and
the
median
income
you're
talking
about.
You
were
talking
about
local
data.
I
first
I
thought
you
were
talking
about
regional
or
like
the
acs
in
a
larger
way,
but
you're
actually
talking
about
asheville.
I
A
A
A
M
Can
you
hear
me
okay,
great
yeah?
Thank
you
for
letting
me
join
and
be
a
part
of
this.
My
name
is
jessica,
and
I
think
I
just
want
to
start
by
stressing
that
I
definitely
want
to
be
a
part
of
this
that
helps
lift
the
black
voices
that
are
part
of
this
kind
of
community
outreach,
and
I
think
that
I
have
a
background
that
kind
of
puts
me
at
you
know
in
a
well-suited
position
to
help
in
any
way.
I
can
my
educational
background.
I
have
a
master's
in
sociology
my
professional
background.
F
M
M
It
wasn't
a
thing,
but
everything
that
I
studied.
I
would
just
find
that
that
black
americans
were
disproportionately
affected
by
everything
from
you
know:
they're
more
of
them
affected
by
poverty
and
in
jail,
and
basically
any
and
every
criminal
justice
topic
that
I
stumbled
across.
I
just
kept
coming
up
with
these
inequalities
and
wanting
to
do
something
about
it
and
learning
that
you
know
a
financial
priority
really
is
essential
in
order
to
get
well-rounded
impact
into
other
social
areas.
So
you
know
I
personally
am
a
big
fan
of
operations.
M
J
M
M
J
K
K
M
M
Talking
about
this
issue,
and
so
honestly,
like
I,
I
was
torn
whether
or
not
I
should
even
show
up
as
a
white
woman
because
like
why
would
you
want
me
on
your
committee?
But
I
don't
I'm
not.
I
don't
not
coming
at
it
from
like
a
white
savior
perspective
at
all,
but
more
of
one.
I
think
I
understand
why
these
inequalities
exist.
M
A
P
P
So
I've
lived
in
asheville.
I
moved
here
in
2009
and
I
raised
I've
raised
my
kids
here.
My
youngest
son
is
a
senior
at
ahs
right
now
and
he
started
it.
Isaac
dixon
actually
started
asheville
primary,
so
I
am
invested
in
this
community
and
I've
seen
it
grow
and
change,
and
I
love
asheville.
I
think,
despite
all
of
our
little
issues
and
things
like
that,
it's
a
pretty
darn
good
community
and
I
love
the
heart
of
it.
P
P
Things
like
that
so
as
I
was
learning
that
so
that
was
a
few
years
after
moving
here,
I
got
more
and
more
involved
in
the
community
and
had
more
and
more
friends
of
color
and
of
different
backgrounds,
and
then
I
started
working
for
mana
food
bank
and
I
really
got
to
know
the
community
more.
I
worked
there
about
six
years.
P
As
a
white
woman,
you
know,
I
thought
I
was
pretty
informed
and
educated
and
things
like
that,
but
just
living
and
knowing
the
community
and
the
things
that
they're
dealing
with
on
a
daily
basis
is
different
and
so
and
then
even
I
am
sorry
to
say,
within
the
you
know,
the
food
system
that
I
was
working
in,
I
could
see
disparities,
and
it
isn't
necessarily
that
everybody
in
the
line
was
wanting
to
be
racist
or
something
like
that.
But
systemic
racism
happens.
P
It's
embedded
in
a
lot
of
our
a
lot
of
our
systems,
even
our
charitable
systems,
and
I
I
really
grew
to
feel
kind
of
resentful
about
it,
because
I
just
saw
a
lot
of
certain
religions
and
white
established
churches
get
in
control
of
a
lot
of
food
and
it
bothered
me
a
lot
and
I
tried
to
work
with
that
from
inside
that
system.
Until.
P
Finally,
I
just
decided
that
model
wasn't
really
something
I
wanted
to
work
with,
and
so
since
that
time
and
and
during
that
time
I
would
say
I
was
pushed
back
from
inside
of
mana
food
bank.
I
was
trying
to
push
a
philosophy
that
wasn't
about
helping
the
poor
kind
of
thing.
It
was
more
about
listening
to
communities
and
seeing
where
they're
at
and
the
and
the
issues
that
they
were
dealing
with
and
then
not
making
barriers
for
simple
food.
P
You
know
just
feeding
just
getting
fed
and
there
is
no
human
that
doesn't
deserve
to
be
fed,
and
so,
whenever
you
can
see
one
you
know
some
people
in
need:
getting
lots
of
food
and
other
people
who
need
scrapping
over
food.
It's
upsetting
it.
It
hits
you
at
a
visceral
level
and
I
got
more
involved
and
then
some
of
my
other
community.
P
I
was
involved
in
a
church
and
other
community
organizations
and
got
involved
in
some
racial
equity
work
and
even
as
I
got
involved
in
that,
I
blundered
along
with
a
lot
of
other
white
people
trying
to
do
it
right
and
did
it
wrong
several
times
and
so
would
have
to
go
back
and
make
amends
and
apologies
and
say:
yeah.
We
didn't
know
what
we
were
doing
and
we
need
to
listen
more
and
hand
over
more
power.
P
And
so
that's
I
don't
know
if
I'm
talking
too
long
right
now,
but
that's
kind
of
my
background
and
as
I
saw,
I
was
so
thrilled
when
the
reparations
got
passed.
Keith
young-
I
just
think
he's
awesome
for
authoring
this
and
pushing
it
into
the
forefront,
and
I
know
city
of
asheville
gets
a
lot
of
guff
and
and
naysayers.
But
I
think
this
is
awesome
and
you
just
have
to
try.
You
just
have
to
start
and
you
are
going
to
make
the
mistakes.
P
J
P
Well,
I
think
that
our
charitable
systems
have
a
lot
of
gatekeeping
going
on
and
so
the
people
you
know
I
have
my
masters
in
public
affairs
from
western
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
learned
there
is
the
the
the
bureaucracy
has
a
lot
of
power.
I
mean
whether
or
not
you
have
a
title
like
a
mayor
or
a
governor
or
something
like
that.
The
reality
is
the
person
on
the
receiving
end
like
if
someone
needs
help
or
you
know,
there's
help.
P
P
Maybe
some
older
church
basement,
ladies,
is
a
very
typical
thing
in
the
food
banking
system
that
get
to
decide
what
kind
of
food
you
deserve
and
how
much
now
there
are
some
rules.
So
if
you're
involved
in
a
federal
tfap
food
distribution
system,
there
are
some
very
strict
rules
that
you
cannot
it's
not
up
to
them,
but
it
still
is
up
to
them
to
enforce
those
rules,
and
so
what
you
can
end
up
with
is
having.
P
D
P
Okay,
so
my
interest
in
the
reparations
commission
honestly
when
I
first
heard
it
I
was
like
well,
I
know
there's
a
ton
of
smart
people
of
color
in
this
town
and
black
folks
in
this
town,
and
I
want
to
leave
it
to
them
to
decide,
and
then
I
saw
that
you
all
had
another
around
of
asking
for
applications,
and
then
I
saw
some
people
you
know
given
gov
saying
like.
Oh,
nobody
wants
to
sign
up
and
I'm,
like
you
know,
that's
not
true
at
all.
I
know
people
are
busy.
P
Not
everybody
has
time
for
this
or
whatever
reason,
and
I
just
I
was
seeing
people
kind
of
trashing
it.
I
was
like.
Oh
that's
not
not
on
my
watch,
I'm
gonna
try
and
step
up
and
do
my
part,
and
so
I'm
happy
to
give
this
position.
Allow
everybody
that
want
you
know.
Any
person
of
color
that
wants
to
be
on
reparations.
Commission
already
has
a
more
experience
than
I
do.
P
They
have
more
lived
experience
than
I
do,
and
I
recognize
that
and
my
wish
would
be
that
black
ashvilians
get
to
make
up
this
commission,
but
that
might
not
be
possible,
and
so
you
know
I
can
use
my
formal
education
to
research.
I
might
be
able
to
research,
other
towns
or
other
policy
to
see
how
we
could
apply
that
I
might
be
able
to
do
some
interviews.
P
Housing
is
near
and
dear
to
my
heart,
because
I
am
struggling
with
housing
right
now
in
this
town
I
am
a
renter.
I
am
a
single
mom.
I
am
feeling
the
pressure
I
might
have
to
move
out
of
town,
so
I
know
what
that's
like
and
for
me
it's
it's
devastating.
I
might
have
to
move
away
from
my
children-
and
here
I
am
you-
know,
a
middle-aged
white
woman-
that
this
is
the
first
time.
Something
like
that.
P
Devastating
has
ever
happened
to
me
and
it
helps
me
understand
a
little
better,
what's
already
been
happening
to
people
of
color
for
decades
and
decades
and
over
a
century
you
know,
and
so
that's
how
I'm
connected
to
housing.
I
also
know
if
some
of
those
black
families
still
had
those
houses
around
charlotte
street
they'd
they'd
be
set
right
now,
they'd
be
set.
If
they
wanted
to
sell
that
property
or
sell
that
house,
they
would
be
maybe
a
millionaire.
P
A
P
A
R
Yeah
hi
everyone,
I'm
chantelle
simpson.
Thank
you
for
the
time
today
I
am
the
chief
executive
officer
of
appalachian
mountain
community
health
centers,
I'm
new
here
to
asheville.
I've
been
here
for
about
six
months,
actually
from
louisville
kentucky.
So
thank
you
for
allowing
me
the
opportunity
to
interview
today.
R
Sure,
well,
you
know
I'm
new
to
asheville
and
at
first
I
had
apprehensions
because
I
thought
well.
Maybe
this
should
be
a
position
that
someone
who's
been
born
and
raised
here
should
should
participate
in.
However,
one
of
the
things
that
I
noticed
when
I
first
relocated
to
asheville
from
louisville
kentucky
was
that
the
diversity
there
doesn't
appear
to
be
much
diversity.
R
I
asked
them
some
of
the
things
that
they
like
to
do
in
town
and
just
their
communication
was
very
poor.
Eye
contact
looking
down
at
the
ground
told
me
that
they
like
to
stay
pretty
much,
separated
and
stay
to
their
end
of
town,
and
that
really
sparked
an
interest
to
me
to
better
understand
some
of
the
dynamics
of
asheville.
Knowing
that
you
all
are
a
pretty
liberal
city.
R
Actually,
that's
really
warm
and
welcoming
of
of
diversity,
and
when
I
learned
about
the
agreement
that
the
city
made
to
for
reparations,
I
was
I
was
surprised.
It
was
like
the
first
city
that
I've
ever
heard
to
do
that,
and
so
I
thought
this
is
a
great
opportunity
for
me
to
apply
and
see
what
skill
sets
and
experiences.
I
have
to
lend
to
to
lend
to
the
calls.
A
R
D
In
a
lot
of
ongoing
reparations
conversations,
I
heard
the
saying
black
health
is
blackwell
and
black
wealth
leads
to
black
health,
and
I
want
to
read
you
something
and
get
your
thoughts
on
it.
Okay
hold
on
for
a
moment
sure:
okay,
it
says
that,
through
closing
the
racial
wealth
gap,
reparations
will
also
improve
health
outcomes,
health
and
wealth
work
bi-directionally
as
two
of
the
greatest
wealth
race
disparities
in
the
united
states,
poverty
drives
poor
health,
which
in
turn
impedes
wealth
accumulation.
I
want
to
get
your
thoughts
on
that
statement.
R
Yeah,
I
totally
agree,
and
not
only
can
I
I'm
in
my
history.
I
come
from
a
very
humble
beginnings
right,
so
we
didn't
go
to
the
doctor.
We
didn't
go
to
the
dentist
or
any
of
those
things
coming
up
and
it's
not
because
we
didn't
find
it
important.
It
was
that
when
you
are
growing
up
in
poverty,
you
are
competing
against
the
things
that
are
necessary
just
to
be
alive
every
day
you
know
food
just
to
eat
for
that
day,
shelter
at
least
just
for
that
day.
R
R
I
see
the
struggle
with
trying
to
become
healthier
in
making
time
for
understanding
what
it
what
it
means
to
be
a
healthier
person.
For
example,
you
know
just
today
my
mom
called
me
and
and
she's
on
aspirin,
and
she
doesn't
understand
how
to
take
that
aspirin
every
day,
but
she
also
doesn't
feel
like
she
has
a
right
to
ask
her
doctor
for
instructions,
because
I
feel
like
african-american
people
due
to
systemic
racism
have
have
not
been
taught
to
be
owners
of
their
of
their
health
and
well-being.
R
You
know
they
still
put
it
in
other
people's
hands,
because
other
people
have
controlled
the
distribution
of
health
resources
for
so
long,
and
so
I
definitely
agree
with
that.
With
that
scene,
I
think
by
improving
the
health
of
asheville
residents,
we're
definitely
going
to
improve
their
whole
life.
You
know
they
feel
better
they're
prouder
and
they
can
go
out
and
contribute
back
to
society.
F
Yes,
yes
sure
I'll
put
it
in.
I,
I
wasn't
because
I
loved
shanika's
question
so
much
so
there's
this
book
I
know.
Apparently
I
read
a
lot
called
cast
it's
by
isabel
wickerson,
okay,
and
it
discusses
how
race,
really
in
our
country
and
in
india,
is
the
basis
for
cast
not
as
it
is
in
europe
right,
and
one
thing
that
was
really
surprising
to
me
was
the
discussion
that
revealed
essentially
thinking
of
racism
or
race
as
a
social
determinant
of
health.
F
So
in
this
book
it
points
out
that,
unlike
other
cohorts,
black
folks,
actually
as
wealth
increases
to
a
certain
point,
once
we
get
to
a
mid-level,
our
health
outcomes
actually
decrease,
and
the
thought
behind
that
is
because
once
we
get
to
a
certain
level
of
education,
we're
more
likely
to
work
in
environments
and
racism
smacks
us
in
the
face
at
the
workplace.
In
your
experience
as
a
nurse,
have
you
encountered
that
that
to
be
the
case?
And
what
suggestions
do
you
have
to
improve
that
trend?.
R
Well,
that
is
an
excellent
question
and
I
would
have
to
agree
with
that.
I'm
actually
working
on
my
doctorates
right
now
and
my
thesis
is
dissertation-
will
be
on
african
american
women
and
leadership,
and
one
of
the
components
of
that
is
looking
at
the
mental
health
stress.
So
I
think
the
higher
more
education
we
get,
the
higher
positions
we
get,
the
the
worse
our
mental
health
can
become.
I
mean
when
I
look
at
myself.
R
For
example,
I'm
one
of
maybe
we
have
five
african-american
people
that
work
within
this
organization
and
in
pretty
much
every
meeting
that
I'm
in
I'm
typically
the
only
black
person,
let
alone
maybe
one
of
few
women,
and
so,
if
you're,
actually
putting
on
you
feel
like
you're
having
to
put
on
a
mask
all
day
and
and
and
react
a
certain
way.
But
I
think,
what's
helpful
to
that
is
a
book
that
I've
read
called
knowledge
of
the
knowledge
in
the
blood
and
it
talks
a
lot
about
the
apartheid
in
africa.
R
It's
very
great
because
it
gives
grace
to
me.
It
is
what
mandela
they
talk.
A
lot
about
mandela
and
how
he
was
able
to
be
so
successful
is
that
he
gave
grace
even
in
the
face
of
systemic
racism.
So
I
think
what
helps
me
and
what
could
help
others
is
to
realize
that
it's
all
some
of
it
is
blatant
racism.
K
R
Wow
great
I
would
want.
I
think
this
will
be
new
for
me,
of
course,
so
of
course,
having
colleagues
around
me
to
help
support
and
come
up
with
plans
and
move
things
forward,
but
as
it
relates
just
to
the
healthcare
component
to
have
support
and
understanding
that
healthcare
is
crucial
in
putting
dollars
behind
decreasing
some
of
that
offset
for
those
underprivileged
people
who
don't
get
the
healthcare
resources
and
working
with
people
who
have
passion
who
are
not
really
doing
this.
R
D
Yeah,
thank
you.
The
healthcare
leader,
chantelle
who's,
not
a
native
and
and
doesn't
have
a
long
stint
in
asheville.
How
would
you
work
collaboratively
with
other
folks
in
the
healthcare
industry
of
african
american
descent
or
those
who
have
health
care
interest?
How
would
you
work
collaboratively
with
them
if
chosen
as
a
leader
in
the
voice
on
this
commission.
R
Well,
I
think
I'm
a
pretty
open
person
and
one
of
the
biggest
task
that
I've
that
I've
been
tasked
with
since
moving
here
is,
unfortunately,
my
predecessor
didn't
really
get
along
with
a
lot
of
people,
I'm
learning
in
asheville,
and
so,
as
I'm
meeting
other
healthcare
leaders
and
state
leaders,
county
managers,
I
mean
we
really
just
kind
of
rub
people
the
wrong
way,
all
the
way
around
and
so
being
new.
On
the
block.
R
I
had
two
last
week
where
I
learned
about
how
we
didn't
we
rubbed
someone
the
wrong
way
and
they're,
giving
me
that
that
grace
and
that
chance
to
create
a
new
face,
I'm
a
social
butterfly.
I
was.
I
was
a
little
nervous
about
applying
for
this
because
I
didn't
know
if
it
would
put
a
political
stamp
on
my
forehead.
Like
are
people
happy
about
this?
R
A
A
All
right,
we've
got
what
thank
you
very
much
for
joining
us.
We've
got
one
interview
before
we're:
gonna
take
a
break
folks,
so
we're
gonna
we're
going
to
say
hello
to
marla
west,
who
is
joining
us
and
marla.
If
you
could
just
begin
by
telling
us
a
little
bit
about
yourself
and
why
you'd
like
to
serve
on
the
reparations
commission.
F
S
Well,
I
am
a
member
of
the
innocence
project.
I
just
think
there's
so
much
inequity
in
the
criminal
justice
system
in
this
country
and,
as
evidenced
by
the
highly
disproportionate
number
of
african
americans
that
are
imprisoned,
I've
actually
been
focusing
more
on
looking
at
housing,
though
housing
and
equity.
Since
I
applied
and
wrote
that,
but.
S
I
just
think
that
you
know
farmers
have
lost
90
percent
of
their
land
in
the
last
100
years.
Black
farmers
there's,
I
think,
asheville
needs
to
look
at
its
historically
look
at
its
history
of
where
they
displaced
black
people
and
where
they
took
housing
and
land
and
businesses
from
them
and
how
they've
been
displaced.
S
I
moved
from
albuquerque
new
mexico
originally
and
to
here
and
nine
years
ago,
and
I
just
didn't
understand
thinking
moving
to
the
south-
that
I
would
see
a
lot
more
african-american
people
present
in
the
streets
and
the
neighborhoods,
and
I
didn't
see
that-
and
I
saw
that
as
I
didn't
understand
it
until
I
did
a
research
and
read
about
it,
and
there
was
another
project
also
that
I
read
about
that.
Corey,
booker
and
ayanna
presley
have
been
interested
in
and
I
think
they've
introduced
this
federally.
S
It's
called
the
american
cities
act,
and
that
is
another
thing
that
I
think
could
work
with
reparations
money
where
they
give
one
thousand
dollars
to
add
birth
to
a
child
and
then
deposit.
I
believe
it's
2
000
annually
dependent
on
income
and
there's
it's
an
interest
bearing
account,
and
I
then
the
child
gets
it
when
they
turn
18..
S
S
A
A
Okay,
now
we
are
back,
we
are
the
city
council.
Here
is
interviewing
candidates
for
the
reparations
commission
and
the
next
person.
We're
going
to
interview
is
kelsey.
Simmons
welcome,
miss
simmons,
and
if
you
could,
please
just
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
yourself
and
why
you're
interested
in
serving
on
the
reparations
commission.
T
T
I
went
to
high
school
in
silsa
and
I
left
for
a
few
years
to
go
to
college
and
go
and
see
charlotte,
and
I
got
a
my
degree
in
political
science,
and
so
essentially
you
know
I
came
back
to
asheville
and
I
ended
up
getting
into
the
non-profit
space
and
the
nonprofit
space
really
showed
me
the
different.
You
know,
disparities
or
not-
that
are
not
only
in
the
world,
but
just
within
your
own
community
as
well,
and
the
the
work
that
needs
to
be
done
in.
T
And
I
think
one
of
those
biggest
disparities
is
affordable,
housing
and
knowledge
around
even
accessing
housing.
Knowledge
around
the
resources
that
are
even
out
here
in
order
to
you
know
get
to
a
different
level
when
it
comes
to
building
generational
wealth
when
it
comes
to
building
a
better
future
for
your
children
when
it
comes
to
building
a
better
future
for
yourself,
and
so
you
know
coming
back
to
asheville,
you
know.
T
T
You
know,
hey
like
you
know,
and
be
able
to
navigate
what
that
looks
like,
and
so
you
know
just
learning
from
my
grandmother
and
and
unfortunately
she's
not
here
with
us
today.
I
lost
her
a
month
ago
to
covet,
but
she
really
wanted
me
to
be
here
today
and
really
all
the
things
that
I've
learned
from
her
about
the
rich
history
that
you
know
black
people
had
in
asheville.
T
Just
that
one
thing,
but
also
encourage
other
cities
to
do
so
as
well,
and
I
think
that's
really
why
I
want
to
be
on
the
reparations
committee,
because
I
come
from.
You
know
people
that
were
affected
by
decisions
like
urban
rural
and
things
like
that.
My
grandma
worked
in
and
out
just
to
keep
her
house
with
the
increasing
property
taxes
and
being
a
single
mother,
and
all
of
these
things.
So
I
know
the
trials
and
tribulations
and
my
my
and
I
myself
am
a
realtor.
T
F
F
F
So,
and
I
imagine
the
next
time
we
come
out
with
a
comparison
between
white
and
black,
the
gap
will
close
a
little
bit.
Help
me
brainstorm
on
what
opportunities
or
what
educational
opportunities
we
could
bring
forward
to
folks
who
have
been
disproportionately
affected,
but
can
we
get
them
into
a
position
economically
so
that
their
homes,
which
are
more
valuable
now,
can
help
them
spread
and
pass
along
that
generational
will.
T
So
you're
exactly
right
about
the
property
assessments,
because
I
was
actually
fortunate
to
purchase
a
home
here
in
asheville
in
august,
and
I
got
the
bill
back.
I
was
like
what
is
this.
This
is
not
what
I
thought
it
would
be
so
and
that-
and
that
is
definitely
you
know
going
to
affect
a
lot
more
people.
T
You
know
such
as
myself
and
disproportionately
affect
the
black
community,
and
I
think
one
of
the
simplest
ways
to
put
it
is
just
spreading
knowledge
about
the
resources
that
are
already
out
there
in
order
to
help
close
that
gap,
because
what
I've
seen
working
in
a
non-profit
space
is
that
there's
a
lot
of
you
know
grants
or
non-profits
already
doing
the
work.
It's
just
that
nobody
is.
You
know
pushing
this
information
to.
I
would,
I
would
say,
the
black
community,
specifically
so
they're
aware
of
what's
going
on,
you
know
what
I
mean.
F
T
Yes
and
and
that
that
gap
can
definitely
be
bridged
and
there's
a
lot
of
different
options
that
are
out
there
in
terms
of
rentals
and
keeping
it
in
the
family
through
a
long-term
rental,
or
something
like
that.
So
I
think
just
the
longer
you
hold
on
to
it
is
really
what
you
want
to
do
and
as
long
as
you
have
that
knowledge,
as
this
is
an
asset-
and
you
know
yeah,
I
could
sell
it
tomorrow
and
make
this
amount.
T
But
if
I
hold
on
to
it,
then
it's
going
to
be
a
lot
more
in
the
long
run,
and
I
think
that's
the
challenge
as
well
when
it
comes
to
black
community
and
home
ownership,
because
you
know
if
they
don't
even
want
to
live
in
the
area.
What
what
makes
you
think
they're
just
going
to
you
know,
want
to
keep
the
house
as
well
so
being
able
to
keep
that
house
might
also.
You
know,
build
you
that
wealth
and
you
might
want
to
stay
in
the
area
just
because
of
the
wealth
that
is
bringing
you.
C
T
D
T
Yeah,
so
I
think
that
they
just
need
to
know
what
other
options
are
out
there
and
it's
tricky
with
asheville,
because
we
do
have.
You
know
our
regulations
on
airbnb,
but
I
do
think,
like
we've
seen
how
lucrative
airbnb
has
really
been,
and
so
what
you
know
if
there
was
a
way
that
you
know,
we
could
push
that
more
out
into
you
know
the
black
community,
like
hey,
there's,
options
to
do
short-term,
rentals
or
even
corporate
housing,
because
there's
money
in
corporate
housing
as
well,
but
showing
them
other
options.
G
T
J
E
T
People
that
need
help.
What
would
you
do?
Well?
Trust
is
a
big
thing,
and
you
know
that
is
the
thing
out
here
in
the
community.
Some
some
people
might
trust
one
non-profit
over
the
other
and
that's
why
it's
not
connecting
or
it
could
be
any
type
of
situation,
but
I
think
you
know
trust
really
comes
down
to
you
know
either
building
that
relationship
and
it
takes
a
while
to
build
relationships,
but
if
y'all
kind
of
come
from
the
same
background
or
if
you
can
just
show
them
the
facts,
sometimes
people.
C
T
So
I
would
say
just
basically
being
a
true
genuine
advocate
for
my
community,
like
that
sounds
like
a
very
basic
answer.
I
would
say,
but
just
really
show
the
passion
that
I
have,
and
you
know
talk
to
these
different
non-profits
and
convince
them
of
why
they
need
to
work
together
or
even
just
analyze,
where
the
gaps
are
and
then
be
like
hey.
These
are
where
the
gaps
are.
This
is
how
we
can
all
work
together
in
order
to
close
down,
because
sometimes
it's
not
even
about
the
resources.
T
T
A
U
U
U
You
know
that
failure
to
pay
means
that
the
student
can
enroll
until
the
balance
is
paid,
which
in
most
cases,
students
opt
not
to
return
so
a
lot
of
times.
You
know
we're,
you
know
we
aren't
talking
20
or
50,
we're
talking
thousands
of
dollars
or
more,
so
this
in
turn
could
have
a
massive
effect
on
you
know
the
person's
livelihood.
U
So
what
I
would
like
to
see
in
you
know
possibly
serving
on
the
community
reparations
committee,
is
you
know
you
know?
As
far
as
in
terms
of
economic
growth,
you
know
to
restore
the
dignity
of
blacks
by
you
know:
providing
affordable
housing
via
ownership
and
bridging
the
education
and
an
equity
gap.
You
know
rebuilding
communities
by
replacing
black
residents,
you
know
restoring
homeowners,
and
you
know
black
businesses,
particularly
those
those
startup
businesses
within
the
communities.
C
U
U
U
You
know,
I
know
that
you
know
with
my
experiences.
You
know
I
have
friends
who
I
graduated
with,
who
have
left
the
area
and
come
back
and
when
they
come
back,
you
know
they
ask
them.
You
know.
Where
are
the
black
people
where
the
black
businesses
you
know,
and
so
for
me
you
know
I
want
them
to
you
know
when
they're
coming
back
into
the
community.
I
want
them.
You
know
to
see
these
businesses,
you
know
and
not
ask
that
question.
C
J
Lebron
I'd
like
to
ask
you
a
question
when
you
came
on
earlier.
You
said
something
about
the
the
education
gap.
You
know
that
between
the
black
and
and
whites
or
whatever,
and
then
you
mentioned
the
financial
economic
part,
how
much
could
that
gap
be
brought
closer
if
the
economic
factor
was
not
there
for
the
minority
of
black
students.
J
Like
you
were
talking
about
the
educational
gap,
you
know
between
the
black
and
white
students
as
far
as
success,
and
then
you
mentioned
the
financial
economic
part
of
it,
and
I
was
saying
how
much
could
we
actually
reduce
that
gap
between
the
students
actually
the
black
and
white
students?
If
they
didn't
have
the
financial
component,
if
they
were
able
to
supplement
that
financial
part.
J
U
Gap,
you
mean,
as
far
as
through
reparations,
funding
the
funding
the
funding.
Well,
I
think
a
lot
of
the
students
on
when,
when
you
look
at
the
the
community
college
level,
a
lot
of
the
students
don't
have
access
to
those
particular
funds.
So
I
think
that
providing
them
you
know
a
lot
of
them.
Have
you
know
balances
they
have
balances
that
need
to
be
paid.
J
K
We
do
have
you
know
education
gaps
and
wealth
gaps
that
are
going
to
need
to
be
addressed,
but
as
you
considered
being
that
native
of
asheville,
who
went
to
school
here,
who's
working
with
our
students
here,
what
would
it
look
like
for
our
community
and
what
would
it
look
like
for
the
city
of
asheville
to
support
you?
If
you
were
appointed
to
this
commission.
K
U
Well,
I
mean
I,
I
think
I
think
it
takes
support
from
you
know
it
takes
a
village,
and
so
I
think
that
you
know
being
able
to
provide
the
resources.
You
know
not
just
monetarily,
but
just
you
know,
having
people
at
the
table
that
could
provide
the
you
know
those
resources
that
would
you
know
that
would
help.
D
U
U
You
know,
and
I
think
that
you
know
having
that
partnership
with
the
city
of
asheville
and
providing
funds
with
you
know,
possibly
with
the
small
business
center
in
providing
funds
for
those
minority
business
owners,
particularly
the
startup
businesses,
I
think,
would
be,
would
be
wonderful.
You
know
to
use
those
funds
and
partnerships
with
initiatives.
U
A
V
V
First,
you
know
I
want
to
represent
education
regarding
equal
and
fair
opportunities
for
our
students
in
access,
and
second,
I
want
to
represent,
as
far
as
black
women
in
community
and
just
being
able
to
bring
my
voice
to
a
space
that
and
most
often
times,
they're
male
dominated
and
third,
I
just
want
to
be
able
to
represent
history,
so
being
intentional.
Regarding
what
does
tomorrow
look
like
and
how
we
can
lean
in
to
that
today.
F
V
V
Throughout
that
time
I
it
was
amazing
to
see
and
work
with
children
of
color,
but
all
children
together
within
the
space
and
capacity
in
which
you
know
I
was
involved
in
that
was
through
after
school,
but
the
pandemic
really
just
brought
a
lot
of
changes
to
our
educational
system,
just
all
across
the
country.
Specifically
here
in
asheville,
you
know
working
as
an
after-school
director,
but
then
working
with
teachers
and
connecting
with
parents.
It
was
just
such
a
great
need
for
for
youth
interaction
and
engagement
before
they
were
able
to
do
any
type
of
engagement.
V
It
was
just
a
lot
of
people
coming
to
the
table
and
eventually
the
piece
started
with
at-home
learning,
but
the
major
factor
that
the
pods
brought
up
was
making
those
connections
through
community
partners
to
see
what
parents
in
neighborhoods
like
housing,
neighborhoods
or
neighborhoods,
that
is
ravished
with
poverty.
Those
parents
were
in
dire
need
of
some
type
of
in-person
engagement,
and
it
was
just
amazing
to
see
that
you
know
the
pods.
V
They
were
created
by
a
group
of
black
led
organizations,
our
black
leaders
and
staff
working
with
actual
city
schools
to
come
together
to
create
a
space
where
children
could
see
other
children
that
look
like
them
during
a
hard
time,
but
also
work
with
adults
that
look
like
them.
So,
for
example,
the
school
system
invested
that
time
and
money
to
have
the
majority
of
staff
of
color
working
in
the
pods.
V
So
that
was
a
success
and
even
just
looking
back
at
just
some
of
the
data
and
the
news
reports,
it
was
even
after
the
first
week
when
the
pods
started,
which
was
in
august
of
20
2020
2019.
Excuse
me
2020
to
be
correct:
those
those
students,
the
children
there
well
for
one.
There
wasn't.
You
know
no
reports
of
bullying,
so
that's
a
plus,
but
the
children
in
one
month
started
showing
significant
difference.
V
Just
within
wanting
to
be
there
taking
ownership,
the
staff
which
were
like
mentor
leaders
they
experienced
and
showed
more
confidence
in
their
role.
So
it
was
just
a
great
experience
to
start
off
with,
but
of
course
there
were
some
challenges
and
the
challenges
were
for
one
capacity.
So
how
could
we
or
how
could
they
and
I'm
sorry
for
the
background
I'm
at
grind?
I
usually
work
here
just
in
this
space
and
I
didn't
realize
they
were
closest.
V
But
yeah
so
just
fast
forward
and
keeping
on
pace.
So
in
the
beginning,
the
pods
had
a
lofty
goal
right
to
service
about
200
students
with
23
different
sites,
so
the
capacity
wasn't
there
for
staff.
Another
great
incentive
came
up
through
that.
So
now
it
was
the
investment
in
people
of
color
to
now
scale
them
up.
T
E
Good,
oh
so
tiffany,
following
up
on
what
you
just
said
around
you
know,
there's
been
conversation
at
acs
about
trying
to
eliminate
the
desegregation
order,
based
on
your
experience
with
the
pods
etc.
Are
you
supportive
of
that
initiative
or
or
not,
and
can
you
just
I
mean
I
just
wondered
if
that
would
be
something
that
would
be
something
that
maybe
the
reparations
commission
would
pick
up
just
whether
or
not
they
should
acs
and
the
city
should
support
that
kind
of
initiative
or
to
just
keep
the
the
segregation
order
in
place.
V
So
that's
a
great
question
and
to
be
to
be
totally
honest
at
this
time,
I'm
just
working
with
some
key
stakeholders.
That's
a
part
of
my
team
to
kind
of
unpack
what
this
is
all
about,
because
it
seems
like
it's
an
age-old
policy.
That's
now
coming
up
to
be
reviewed
and
I
have
mixed
mixed
feelings
pertaining
to
that
that
I
would
love
to
kind
of
share
later.
E
K
V
These
are
all
great
questions
and
I
do
appreciate
it
for
me
when
I
think
of
the
wealth
gap.
It's
not
just
asheville,
but
it's
more
than
that.
It's
just
it's
overtime,
resource
hoarding
and
all
families
need
wealth
and
to
be
able
to
be
economically
secure
and
just
to
be
able
to
create
opportunities
for
the
for
the
next
generation
and
looking
at
asheville,
and
even
I'm
originally
from
new
york
and
understanding
the
ravages
of
urban
renewal
that
took
place
there.
V
V
I
understand
that
having
that
lot
is
more
than
just
because
their
family
is
wealthy,
but
it's
because
that
wealth
has
been
passed
down
and
in
order
to
move
forward
like
some
resources
that
I
believe
is
necessary
is
to
be
able
to
bring
again
like
key
holders,
key
players
to
the
table
that
really,
whether
they've
been
gatekeeping
or
whether
they
feel
like
they.
They
have
a
stake
in
it.
Bring
them
to
the
table
with
some
full,
for
example,
like
asheville
black
demands.
V
A
W
Well,
I'm
interested
in
serving
on
the
reparations
commission,
because
I
am
a
fourth
generation
native
of
asheville
and
I
have
felt
and
seen
definitely
the
impacts
of
of
urban
renewal
on
the
community,
especially
within
my
family,
and
so
I
really
try
like.
I
want
to
present
my
skills
and
my
talents
and
be
an
asset
to
this
commission
as
it
moves
forward,
and
so
I
really
want
to
be
a
part
of
the
process.
F
W
And
so
my
grand
my
great
grandparents
lived
here
and
they
owned
several
houses
across
the
community.
They
actually
were
pretty
well
off
initially
and
so
the
impasse
the
urban
renewal
on
them
that
I
got
to
got
to
hear
about
and
learn
about
from
their
stories
is
them
losing
access
to
their
land
and
losing
houses
in
the
south
side
area
and
how
most
of
my
family,
who
once
owned
homes,
were
now
in
public
housing
developments,
at
least
three
generations
of
my
family.
W
And
so
it's
crazy,
because
I
think
about
me
and
and
everybody
one
day.
I
like
what
made
me
different
and
it
was
nothing
that
made
me
different.
I
just
had
the
focus
you
know
what
I
mean
I
had
to
focus
in
the
drive
and
I
got
the
opportunity
to
leave
asheville
to
really
develop
myself
and
and
have
opportunities
that
other
people
I
wouldn't
have
had.
W
If
I
stayed
and
that's
the
that,
like
that's
the
harsh
reality,
leaving
asheville
opened
up
doors
for
me
and
opened
up
opportunities
for
me
and
skills
that
I
wouldn't
have
been
able
to
access
living
here,
and
so
I
was
able
to
go
away
and
gain
skills
and
come
back
and
so
that
into
my
community
and
so
that's
and
help
my
family
to
overcome
some
of
their
barriers
to
be
able
to
be
in
position
better
positions.
Now.
N
Hi
dwana,
this
is
sage.
Thank
you
for
applying
it's
nice
to
see
you
I'm.
You
play
a
key
role
in
the
ymi
and
that
area
of
downtown
and
I'm
curious
and
you've
listed
economic
development.
As
your
you
know,
leader
of
the
five
buckets
we're
looking
into,
and
I'm
curious
what
you
think
via
the
reparations
process.
That
could
mean
for
economic
development
or
particularly
the
block
area
where
you're
already
involved,
or
if
you
have
any
ideas
around
that
you
could
share.
W
Yeah,
it
means
the
presence
of
black
businesses.
One
thing
is
like
I
grew
up
seeing
the
block
and
participating
in
programs
at
the
ymi
and
to
see
all
the
black
business.
I
got
that
opportunity,
and
now
I'm
a
parent
and
my
kids
don't
have
access
to
it,
and
this
is
hard
to
find
black
business.
Thriving
black
businesses
in
downtown
man,
my
family
and
friends,
used
to
walk
through
downtown
all
the
time
as
a
kid
and
it
had
safe
space.
The
block
was
our
safe
space,
that's
the
reality.
W
It
was
a
space
where
we
knew
we
could
go
and
see
people
that
looked
like
us
for
whatever
good
or
bad
reason.
You
know
what
I
mean
and
be
a
part
of
our
community.
You
know
what
I
mean:
it
was
a
place
where
we
came
together.
It
wasn't
about
just
goombay
coming
to
the
block
we
like
it
was
almost
every
weekend.
You
know
what
I
mean.
W
In
the
back
offices,
but
visibly
on
the
streets
where
you
can
walk
down
and
drop
down
any
street
in
downtown
asheville,
it's
not
limited
to
the
block.
In
my
vision,
it's
limited
to
industry
and
recognize
black
businesses
and
see
a
black
presence
that
is
almost
non-existent.
You
know
what
I
mean
and
I
like
the
way
the
block
is
growing,
and
I
like
that.
W
D
This
is
shanika.
Clearly
you
have
a
lot
of
lived
experience.
You
have
great
work,
experience
and
leadership
experience,
and
I
know
you
to
be
a
solution.
Focused
lady.
You
have
a
lot
of
programs
already
in
the
pipeline
through
the
ymi
and
other
initiatives
that
you
have.
One
in
particular,
is
the
how
you're
seating
the
community
with
black
real
estate
agents.
Do
you
have
any
other
businesses?
W
I
think
definitely
the
real
estate
apprenticeship
program
is
super
big
and
it's
super
important.
You
know
what
I
mean
and
we
developed
that
program,
because
we
seen
the
lack
of
black
people
in
that
area
when
it
came
to
accessing
home
ownership
or
looking
into
the
purchase
of
property
or
business,
and
so
we
really
wanted
to
bring
that
opportunity,
and
then
it
was
so
many
people
who
had
an
interest
in
that
field.
W
That
just
could
not
afford
to
be
a
part
of
that,
and
so,
when
I
think
about
other
programs
that
we
have,
we
have
the
business
incubation
program
that
we
we
have
been
doing.
We
have
six
businesses
through
our
business
incubation
program
that
have
been
alive
and
thrived
through
2020
and
still
functioning
in
their
black
businesses.
W
Also,
we
have,
I
have
in
my
other
head,
a
positive
changes
program
and
so
through
positive
changes,
we're
seeing
our
youth
with
the
knowledge
and
the
experience
to
be
able
to
determine
and
define
their
future
and
and
as
we
tell
them
all
the
time,
it's
not
about
your
social,
economical
status.
Right
now.
It's
about
what
you
want
to
be
and
how
you
can
tip
the
skills.
W
And
this
summer
we
took
26
high
school
students
who
would
not
have
otherwise
had
the
opportunity
to
afford
that
type
of
experience,
and
it's
always
a
seven,
a
seven
night,
eight
day
trip,
but
they
get
to
also
work
on
projects
on
if
you
go
run
your
own
country.
What
would
that
look
like?
And
if
you
could
build
your
own
school?
What
would
that
look
like,
and
then
we
take
that
back
to
the
schools
and
different
people
to
to
really
try
to
support
their
vision
and
action?
W
You
know
what
I
mean
put
that
vision
and
action
based
on
the
vision
of
our
kids,
because
they
are
our
future
and
so
we're
always
finding
ways
to
invest,
and
I'm
always
looking
for
ways
to
invest
and
really
support
the
initiatives
of
my
community
and
and
showing
people
other
options.
And
so
that
would
be
a
program
that
I
think
would
be
something
that
is
scalable,
because
not
only
do
we
do
that
through
that
program,
we
also
support
youth
and
exploring
their
business
and
future
career
paths
as
well
as
internships
and
apprenticeships.
D
W
W
Historically
and
currently,
land
is
the
one
thing
that
doesn't
lose
value,
and
so
I
always
want
to
promote
the
access
to
people
being
able
to
afford
that
and
through
our
down
payment
assistance
program,
we
have
been
definitely
able
to
get
people
of
color
into
homes
and
home
ownership.
I'm
actually
closing
today
on
the
house
with
one
of
our
participants,
and
so
I'm
excited
about
all
the
opportunity
and
helping
people
to
reach
that
goal,
because
through
that
program
we
also
work
with
them
on
filling
those
gaps
of.
W
J
Is
it
sandra-
and
I
want
to
thank
you
so
very
much
for
sharing
your
story
about
getting
away
from
here
and
then
being
able
to
learn
and
come
back
and
share
that
with
the
community,
because
that
resonates
with
me
and
I
greatly
appreciate
all
the
work
and
hard
work
you've
done
there
at
the
ymi
and
the
programs
that
you
put
in
place
that
have
benefited
the
community
tremendously
and-
and
I
thank
you
so
very
much
for
being
here
today.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
Because
thank
you
dawana
for
being
with
us
today.
We
appreciate
it.
Thank
you.
Okay
and
we've
got
one
more
interview
before
we
take
another
break,
and
that
is
jackie,
laytek
and
jackie.
I'm
looking
around,
I
think
you've
joined
us.
If
you
would
just
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
yourself
and
why
you'd
like
to
serve
on
the
commission.
G
G
G
F
So
jackie,
when
I
look
at
your
application,
I
would
have
thought
your
first
choice
for
the
impact
area
would
have
been
somewhere
around
healthcare,
but
you
listed
criminal
justice.
Isn't
one
number
two
was
economic
development?
So
can
you
tell
me
why
you
chose
those
two
and
in
that
order
and
why
not
health
related.
G
You
know,
honestly,
all
of
all
of
them
there's
so
much
intersection
with
all
of
them,
the
criminal
justice
side.
I
I
think,
as
I
was
saying,
that
there's
really
a
lot
of
knowledge
that
I
have
learned
just
through
those
services
and
that
that
felt
like
that
felt
like
the
right
fit
and
even
in
some
of
the
directions,
we're
continuing
to
go
in
the
community
on
that
side
of
things,
continuing
to
do
the
research
and
understand
those
challenges
and
potential
solutions,
so
criminal
justice
felt
felt
like
the
initial
good
fit.
G
I
mean
health
care.
It
also
is
we
provide
services
in
the
mental
health
world?
We
work
with
families
involved
with
social
services
and
do
some
family
systems
work
with
families
who
are
separated,
kids,
going
into
foster
care
or
residential
care
and
try
to
reunite
them
and
bring
them
back
a
lot
of
those
families
experiencing
substance
abuse.
So
we
have
a
recovery
component
as
well,
so
I
do
certainly
see
health
care
as
as
another
pocket
of
work
that
that
we're
into
I
think
economic
development.
G
So
I
feel
like
that's
an
area
that
we
really
want
to
be
able
to
focus
on
as
a
community
if
we're
really
going
to
make
a
difference
that
economic
piece
is
so
very
critical.
So
I
think
that's
probably
that's
really
why
I
selected
that
as
a
second
one,
it's
just
sort
of
what
I
believe
is
such
an
important
factor.
If
we're
really
going
to
make
a
difference.
D
G
You
can
go
through
this
process
of
expungement.
Now,
there's
going
to
be
limitations
on
what
can
be
expunged,
but
here's
the
here's,
the
thing
that
our
world
today
makes
this
very
difficult.
So
we've
got
this
online
world
that
we
have
access
to
all
this
information
right,
and
so,
if
I
am
convicted
it's
like
boom,
all
my
conviction
goes
out
into
the
the
internet
world
right.
So
it's
out
there
in
all
these
different
sites,
where
anybody
can
access
that
information.
G
Now
I
can
go
get
an
expungement,
but
my
expungement
does
not
go
out
to
all
of
those
sources
that
already
have
my
information
that
I've
had
that
conviction.
So
it
can
be
really
challenging.
You
go
through
that
process
and
you
believe
that
that
has
now
been
taken
care
of
for
you
and
then
you
go
apply
for
a
job
and
somewhere
in
your
process.
Oh,
no,
actually,
that
still
is
coming
up
for
you,
because
some
system
out
there
still
has
that
listed.
So
it's
it
is
still
a
challenge.
So
it's
not
it's
not
a
foolproof
system.
G
I
think
we
have
in
asheville
with
the
inclusive
hiring
partners
project.
I
mean
that's
been
a
great
connection
with
companies
that
need
people
and
want
to
hire
people
at
living
wages
connecting
them
with
individuals
who
are
hard
to
employ
whether
it
is
that
criminal
background,
whether
it
is
something
else
so
we've
had
some
movement
in
this
town
with
being
able
to
employ
people
who
have
those
backgrounds.
G
That's
now
not
sort
of
the
major
barrier
for
somebody
returning
from
incarceration,
but
you
certainly
feel
like
when
you're
working
with
those
individuals.
Nobody
really
wants
you
to
re-enter
society,
because
the
barriers
are
so
tremendous.
You
come
out
and
you
know
you
probably
don't
have
a
driver's
license.
You
can't
get
your
driver's
license
until
you
pay
off
your
court
fees,
but
you
can't
pay
off
your
court
fees
until
you
get
a
job,
but
you
can't
get
a
job
because
you
don't
have
a
driver's
license.
So
it's
that
round
and
around
just
about
in
every
area.
D
G
So
man
there's
so
much
in
there
one
of
the
things
that
we're
looking
at
that.
I
think
our
community
really
needs
is
more
direct
intervention
for
those
who
are
committing
the
violence
or
who
are
most
at
risk
of
violence
being
committed
against
them.
There
are
programs
that
we
are
looking
at
and
that's
that
is
one
piece
of
the
puzzle,
more
direct
intervention
with
those
individuals.
G
You
know
when
we
look
at
what
what
are
the
root
causes
of
violence?
I
mean
that's
where
all
of
our
community
programming.
We
need
to
beef
up
all
of
that
community
programming
to
address
the
poverty
to
address
the
disparities
in
education.
You
know
all
the
opportunities,
the
feelings
of
hopelessness
I
mean
there
there
is.
There
is
so
much
of
that
as
well
when
you've
been
living
in
oppression
that
you
don't
believe
you
deserve
the
job
that
my
folks
tell
you
that
you
can
actually
get.
G
I
can
teach
you
how
to
fill
out
an
application,
but
if
you
don't
have
the
hope
and
the
belief
that
you
can
actually
get
that
job,
because,
frankly,
life
has
taught
you
you've
never
deserved
that
anyway,
you
can't
move
past
to
that
next
step.
So
there's
there's
this
broad.
We've
got
to
understand
human
nature.
We
have
to
understand
how
to
help
people
recover
emotionally
from
what
they've
experienced
and
give
them
the
skills.
G
There
there
are
several
miles
that
we've
looked
at,
one
is
called
cure.
Violence
started
in
chicago
in
early
2000,
there's
one
that
started
in
north
carolina,
it's
called
chasm,
so
those
are
the
two
we're
looking
at.
They
use
a
public
health
model
approach
so
seeing
violence
similar
to
a
virus
which
we
understand,
spreads
really
quickly
so
using
what
they
would
call
community
health
workers.
G
Those
are
trusted
individuals
in
the
community,
people
who
already
are
from
those
communities
live
there
have
the
relationships
to
do
mediation
of
conflict
to
respond
when
a
violent
event
has
occurred
and
to
begin
to
change
sort
of
that
community
piece
about
this
is
the
this
is
the
direction
that
we
want
to
be
able
to
go
in
with
this.
Is
we
want
to
change
the
idea
that
violence
is
the
answer
for
that?
So
is
using
individuals
in
the
community
to
have
those
conversations
with
those
that
are
committing
the
violence.
G
N
N
A
X
Absolutely
thank
you,
mayor
and
city
council
appreciate
y'all's
time
and
yeah
you're
in
the
home
stretch.
So
hopefully
you
have
energy
for
this
last
round.
So
again
my
name
is
tamari
makin
and
I
am
a
faculty
member
through
unc,
chapel
hill
gillings,
school
of
global
public
health,
and
I
am
based
here
in
asheville.
X
X
A
master's
in
psychology-
and
I
feel
that
I
am
able
to
see
things
from
a
systems
view
which
is,
would
be
really
important
in
this
work
and
also
have
some
experience
with
several
of
the
impact
areas
which
are
named
in
the
resolution
and
in
the
application.
So
I
feel
like
I
am
able
to
bring
a
perspective
and
able
to
ask
incisive
questions.
C
F
As
I
mentioned
to
dr
mullen
earlier,
based
on
your
application
and
just
what
I
know
of
you
on
a
personal
basis,
I
think,
quite
frankly,
you
could
fit
within
any
of
the
impact
areas.
So
I
won't
ask
you
which
one
you
prefer
I
want
to
home
in
on
something
that
is
probably
potentially
too
specific,
but
I
think
you
would
be
the
person
to
ask
this
so
keeping
in
mind
professor
dardy
and
mullins
framework
for
what
reparations
what
that
process
should
entail.
X
X
K
K
X
So
that's
one
small
way
that
maybe
each
member
of
the
commission
could
be
connected
to
individual
individuals
or
group
groups,
and
obviously
there
are
more
black
people
in
asheville
and
people
in
general
who
we'd
want
to
keep
informed
of
the
process.
So
I
think
you
know
connecting
with
the
city's
engagement
office
and
other
groups
that
are
already
on
the
ground.
Connecting
with
people
will
be
important,
and
I
think
it's
useful
that
dr
mullen
and
others
on
this
being
interviewed,
have
connections
with
community
already.
J
Hello,
okay,
hi,
good,
okay,
I'd
like
to
ask
you
from
your,
like
you
have
a
degree
in
psychology,
and
I
would
just
like
to
see
your
perspective.
I
hear
your
perspective
on
the
impact,
the
mental
impact
that
has
and
the
damage
that's
been
done
to
the
community
and
how
would
you
address
or
come
up
with
something
that
could
actually
sort
of
help
remediate
that
to
some
degree
I
mean
you
can't
eliminate
it.
Okay,.
X
So
I'm
thinking
about
ways
to
support
our
mental
health
that
are
not
only
clinical
knowing
that
for
some
people
those
resources
are
useful
for
some
people,
maybe
less
so,
let
alone
having
access
to
them.
I
think
that
you
know
one
way
that
another
scholar
has
talked
about
this
about
the
the
trauma
and
the
harms
being
really
perpetual
and
unending
the
the
reparations,
the
resolutions
to
counteract
that
also
need
to
be
perpetual
and
unending.
X
And
oh
my
gosh,
I'm
out
of
time
I'll,
say
one
last
sentence
that
I
I
hope
that
we
bring
to
this
process
really
creative
solutions
that
are
also
potentially
perpetual
things
like
differential
property
taxes
and
access
to
no-cost
education
and
those
sorts
of
things
that
are
not
just
time-limited
programs.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Okay,
we're
gonna
move
on
to
the
next
person,
and
that
is
dwayne
richardson
and
mr
richardson.
If
you're
there.
If
you
could
just
tell
us
a
little
bit
hi
welcome.
If
you
could
just
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
yourself
and
why
you're
interested
in
serving
on
the
reparations
commission.
Y
Absolutely
thank
you
for
having
me
today.
I
will
begin
by
saying
I
am
recovering
from
covet,
and
so
you
I
may
be
stricken
with
a
brief
cough
or
two
here
there.
Please
bear
with
me
having
said
that,
my
interest
in
in
joining
the
reparations
commission
as
a
as
a
lifelong
resident,
I
was
actually
born
in
los
angeles,
but
moved
nearly
immediately
to
north
carolina
as
a
child
to
asheville
as
a
child,
but
having
been
a
part
of
the
the
city
and
the
community
and
the
in
the
community
of
shiloh
proper.
Y
So
when
you
talk
about
the
subject
of
reparations
it
it,
it
evokes
tremendous
emotion,
but
I
do.
I
do
not
believe
that
the
solutions
that
will
be
successful
for
addressing
it
will
be
emotional.
They
will
have
to
be
intellectually
based.
They
will
have
to
be
formulaic
in
in
the
economic
sense
and
and
try
and
make
sense
of
the
economics
that
were
denied
to
citizens
across
time.
I
think
that
I
have
an
approach
for
that
in
mind.
Y
So
it
is
something
that
I
have
had
time
to
think
about,
obviously
a
very
long
time
to
think
about,
but
something
that
I
have
been
interested
in
for
a
very
long
time
and
and
again,
I
reiterate,
I
believe
that
the
solutions
that
will
that
will
work
will
will
there.
There
is
no
way
to
address
the
emotional
impact,
the
emotional
scars
that
took
place
during
the
time
of
slavery.
However,
there
is
in
a
capitalist
society
there.
F
F
Y
Absolutely
I
I
think
that,
certainly
it
is
personal
to
me
and
has
special
meaning.
However,
I
do
believe
that
the
situation
that
transpired
with
my
grandparents
grocery
store
was
symbolic
of
what
was
happening
all
over
asheville
in
the
time
of
urban
renewal.
At
the
time
they
owned
a
grocery
store
at
the
corner
of
pfeiffer
and
blanton
street
in
downtown.
Y
Excuse
me
please,
but
brown
temple
church
is
across
the
street
from
the
lot
where
my
grandparents
store
was,
and
the
city
of
asheville
during
the
urban
renewal
program
came
to
my
grandparents
and
said
we
really
need
your
property.
We
need
to
make
some
changes
here
and
it's
important
that
we
have
this
particular
piece
of
property.
Y
Excuse
me
that
we
have
this
particular
piece
of
property
to
to
to
go
forward
with,
and
the
development
plans
that
we
have
for
the
city
and
they
they
made
an
offer
to
my
grandparents.
They
were
reluctant
because
they
were
at
that
time.
The
last
black
owned
business
in
in
in
the
south
french,
broad,
the
french
broad
area
of
town,
if
you
will-
and
they
were
the
last
business
there
and
reluctantly
they
ultimately
sold,
and
we
were
fortunate.
Let
me
be
clear
about
that.
We
were
fortunate.
Y
My
family
bought
another
piece
of
property
that
was
already
housing,
a
small
mom-and-pop's
grocery
store
in
the
shiloh
community
at
the
intersection
of
london,
road
and
west
chapel.
So
they
from
they
went
in
this.
This
transpired
in
1974
and
they
ultimately
stayed
there
another
20
years
at
the
shiloh
location
and
sold
their
business
in
1994..
Y
Nothing
has
ever
been
built
in
that
place
so
for
something
that
was
so
important
and
so
vital
to
their
plans.
It
seems
ironic
that
nothing
was
ever
built
there
and
nothing
ever
developed
there.
Excuse
me
and
my
grandfather
rested.
Soul
was
a
very
wise
man
and
he
told
me
in
1974
and
believe
it
or
not.
He
said
there
will
never
be
anything
built
upon
this
land.
This
is
just
their
way
of
removing
the
final
black
business
from
the
black
community.
Y
Y
That
is
no
longer
the
case,
and
and
obviously
we
don't
have
time
to
to
to
talk
about
all
of
the
factors
that
have
impacted
the
black
community
and
why
home
ownership
and
all
those
things
have
diminished
across
asheville.
But
nevertheless
this
was
one
of
the
things.
This
was
a
time
period
in
which
that
all
became
the
genesis
of.
Y
And
so,
as
I
said,
we
were
fortunate
to
to
relocate
and
to
find
another
spot.
However,
that
definitely,
whether
or
not
we
were
fortunate
to
find
another
spot,
the
dynamic
of
the
downtown
community
in
which
their
grocery
store
served
was
never
never
really
recovered.
And
so
yes,
we
have
seen
my
family.
We
saw
firsthand
the
the
deception
if
you
will
of
of
of
urban
renewal.
Y
So
I
don't
know
if
that's
a
thorough
enough
answer,
but
that's
that's.
That's
how
I
see
it
and
how
it
impacted
my
family
personally,
but
on
a
larger
scale,
what
it
did
for
the
for
the
community
when
that
small
black
business,
where
sometimes
my
grandparents
offered
credit
to
to
individuals
in
the
community
and
and
angles
and
larger
markets,
just
not
not
in
a
position
to
do
those
types
of
things,
and
so,
when
you
take
those
types
of
businesses
out
of
middle
size
or
small
communities,
it
makes
a
major
impact.
J
Y
Y
He
had
I
I
may
be
biased,
forgive
me
if
so,
but
he
had,
he
had
the
best
candy
counter
that
I've
ever
seen
anywhere
and
I've
been
forced
to
travel
a
large
part
of
the
united
states,
but
the
candy
a
lot
of
people
called
it
the
candy
store,
because
he
had
a
very
prominent
candy
counter
and
and
it
had
you
know
it
was.
It
was
like
a
a
a
parent's
nightmare
because
all
I'm
sure
they
saw
all
the
sugar
and
and
pumped
up
children.
Y
You
know,
but
from
the
child's
perspective
it
was
a
little
slice
of
heaven.
I
mean
from
candy
bars
to
hard
candy
to
bubble
gum
it
it
it
it
had
it
all,
but
he
also
had
staples
that
that,
as
miss
miss
kilgore
was
saying
that
that
the
community
needed
your
your
basic
grocery
store.
That
would
fulfill
your
your
grocery
order
for
your
pantry
at
home,
so
but
but
it
was
known
in
many
ways
in
many
circles
as
the
candies.
D
Thank
you,
mr
richardson,
and
I
just
like
to
say
in
closing,
because
your
time
is
up
that
the
removal
of
that
food
resource
from
the
pfeiffer
area
is
the
reason
why
that
census
tract
is
called
a
food
desert
designated
as
a
food
desert
today.
So
thank
you
for
all
your
wealth
of
information.
It's
been
enlightening
and
enjoyable.
A
All
right
next
we're
going
to
interview
dee
williams,
miss
williams,
if
you're
there
with
us
there,
you
are,
if
you
could
just
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
yourself,
which
is
really
more
for
the
community,
because
we
know
you
quite
well
and
and
a
little
bit.
Why
you
about
why
you'd
like
to
serve
on
the
reparations
commission.
Z
Z
We
moved
to
buttrick
street
at
the
corner
of
where
haywood
street
congregation
is
right
now
and
then
we
were
forced
to
move
with
the
policy
decision
of
the
interstate
highway
that
came
through
and
pretty
much
decimated
and
cut
that
black
community
in
half.
I
was
listening
to
mr
richardson
and
I
just
want
to
say
that
every
black
community
in
asheville
had
its
own
neighborhood
store
and
none
here
the
hanes
store
was
prolific
and
it
brought
to
my
mind
that
my
client
bought
haynes
store
in
1994
and
he
was
bruce
gaskin
who
owns
asphalt
unlimited.
Z
I
was
detailed
here
to
work
specifically
to
help
him
contract
with
the
city
of
asheville
through
aipac
and
other
highway
roadway
contractors.
That
was
my
specialty,
but
bruce
did
buy
that
building
and
was
the
last
black
owner
and
we
were
engaged
in
conversations
about
making
that
into
a
business
incubator
and
some
other
things.
Z
So
that's
some
more
history,
but
there
was
no
store
more
prolific
than
porter's
grocery
store
in
east
end
and
paterson's
over
in
west
end,
and
so
there
were
stores
everywhere,
including
the
pearsons,
who
were
all
guardians
owned
by
a
lot
of
garveyites.
That's
a
term.
You
don't
even
hear
anymore,
you
see
it
and
you
think
about
northern
people,
but
asheville
had
its
own
good
population
of
garveyites
and
jv
miller
was
a
garveyite
and
e.w
pearson
was
a
garveyite,
so
we
can
talk.
You
know
I've
been
here
seen
it
all.
Z
His
staff
called
me
up,
and
it's
just
like
a
nightmare.
This
man
was
81
years
old
and
he'd
been
handcuffed
and
taken
to
jail,
and
you
know
it's
a
matter
of
public
record,
so
the
police
authority
of
the
city
has
been
just
overwhelming
and
that
just
sticks
in
my
mind.
But
about
me
I
have
degrees
in
accounting,
political
econ
economics
and
another
one
in
business
administration.
Z
I'm
currently
the
president,
ceo
and
a
member
of
the
board
emeritus
of
eagles
wings
community
development
corporation,
which
is
the
largest
black
economic
development
organization
that
is
blackley
in
western
north
carolina
and
the
largest.
It's
ever
been
that's
70
over
70
churches
and
thousands
of
individuals
that
we
represent,
so
it
helps
me
be
able
to
raise
a
crowd
when
I
need
to
and
to
get
them
from
all
sectors.
So
I'm
blessed
in
that
aspect.
Z
I
also
worked
on
written
consent
to
search.
I
work,
I'm
a
data
analyst
by
training
as
well,
and
we
work
to
get
written
consent
to
search
past
by
the
asheville
through
asheville
city
council,
as
it
pertained
to
reducing
traffic
stops
for
african
americans,
and
we
also
collected
data
and
got
mance
from
the
southern
coalition
for
social
justice
to
implement,
along
with
other
folks
from
down.
Z
There
banned
the
box
where
we
got
the
city
to
remove
and
we
provided
intellectual
data
and
other
information
to,
I
believe,
councilman
keith
young
and
we
got
gave
a
model
ordinance
for
him
to
turn
in
the
city.
And
then
we
went
to
kurt
euler
at
bunken,
county
and
instituted
at
buncombe,
county
and
also
mission.
Health
was
our
biggest
success,
the
largest
employer
in
western
north
carolina,
and
we
got
that
so.
We've
worked
in
many
capacities
to
bring
economic
opportunities.
Z
You
can't
complain,
folks
did
what
they
knew.
Probably
thought
was
right,
but
there's
a
way
not
to
divide
the
community
up
and
forestall
anything
positive,
because
the
resources
that
are
being
expended
could
have
been
expended
on
bettering
or
helping
the
cause
of
the
black
community.
Most
of
that
is
symbolic,
and
I
understand
what
symbolism
is,
but
I'm
a
pragmatist,
and
I
know
how
to
get
a
deal
done
and
I
deal
with
money,
and
our
problem
in
asheville
is
one
of
economics.
Z
I
don't
want
to
get
altruistic,
nor
scholastic
sandy
darity
I've
met
him.
I've
studied
under
him,
as
well
as
some
other
economists
who
were
very
prominent
black
ones,
including
dr
david
swinton,
who
was
the
chair
of
the
business
department
of
harvard
man
who
was
at
jackson,
state
and
others
who
declare
that
reparations
is
a
process
that
no
city
has
the
bandwidth
to
adequately
carry
out.
So
you're
going
to
need
to
think
about
rebranding
your
terminology,
because
you
do
not
want
to
put
a
process
of
reconciliation
together
without
telling
the
truth.
Z
First
of
all
that
you
don't
have
the
economic
bandwidth,
it
may
be
a
violation
of
the
14th
amendment,
the
equal
protection
clause
of
the
constitution
and
the
sitting
chief
justice.
John
roberts
has
also
written
and
ruled
against
school
districts
who
employed
the
same
tactics.
I'm
saying
a
lot,
but
all
I'm
saying
to
you
is
black
folks
need
money.
That
is
all
this
process
is
all
about.
It
is
about
a
wealth
gap.
Z
It
is
not
about
altruism
philosophies
and
being
argumentative
to
the
point
that
folks
drag
you
into
court
and
you
expand
resources
unless
you're
going
to
do
it
to
derail
the
process
and
set
it
up
to
fail,
and
I
I
hopefully
that
is
not
the
case.
We
first
have
to
tell
the
truth.
There
can
be
no
reconciliation
without
truth-telling,
so
the
city
does
not
have
the
bandwidth
to
do
proper
reparations.
Z
The
only
thing
that
it
can
do
is
reinvest
in
our
community.
That's
been
previously
disinvested
and
I'll.
Take
any
questions
from
you,
but
that's
the
real
reason
why
I
want
to
bring
sensibility
back.
I
want
to
deliver
results
and
I
know
how
to
make
money.
No
other
candidate
has
signed
as
many
paychecks
as
I
have,
and
I
ran
construction
crews
in
north
and
south
carolina.
So
I
know
how
to
get
a
deal
done
and
I
know
how
to
bring
the
resources
to
better.
Do
it
so.
J
J
Basically,
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
put
the
best
way
to
get
resources
in
the
community
to
help
the
black
community,
and
I
don't
care
what
is
named
or
whatever,
but
that,
like
you,
said
it's
a
deterrent.
It's
going
to
hurt
us
in
the
long
run
attorneys
who
basically
said
we're
looking
for
a
lawsuit.
We
actually
need
to
start
addressing
this
and
dealing
with
it
for
what
it
is.
So
thank
you,
assistant.
F
Z
Okay,
these
were
people
who
were
the
most
prominent
business
leaders
and
let
me
just
say
that
I've
had
the
pleasure
of
doing
oral
histories
with
some
of
these
very
prominent
people's
families.
Like
the
jv
miller
family,
his
daughter
was
over
101.
it's
in
the
black
hollander
collection
at
unc,
ashland,
north
carolina
collection.
At
back
that
interview
that
oral
interview
that
we
had
transcribed,
they
confessed
that
their
her
father
was
a
garveyite.
Z
The
e.w
pearson
family
confessed
that
he
was
to
a
garviac.
These
were
some
things
that
could
not
be
put
out
into
the
public
domain,
but
we
followed
every
one
of
them
through
their
families
and
they
were
devout
garveyites
who
believed
in
the
economic
destiny
of
the
black
community
and
they
carried
it
out
and
did
it
well.
Jv
miller
was
probably
the
first
black
millionaire
in
western
north
carolina
and
the
property
that
the
hispanics
sit
on
right
now
in
west
asheville
on
emma
on
emma
road
belonged
to
jv
miller.
It
was
the
family
farm.
A
A
Thank
you.
Okay.
Next
we
have
renetta
waters
joining
us
and
if
you
could
I'm
looking
all
right
great
there,
you
are,
if
you
could
just
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
yourself
and
why
you
would
like
to
serve
on
the
reparations
commission
good
afternoon
mayor
members
of
hold
on
I'm
so
sorry,
I'm
so
sorry,
I
am
being
told
by
staff.
We
have
to
do
something
with
technology
hold
on
we're
reconnecting
the
bridge.
I
never
really
know
what
that
means.
O
Q
Okay,
my
name
is
randy
the
waters,
and
I
was
born
and
raised
here
in
nashville.
I
have
left
one
time
and
then
I
relocated
back
to
asheville,
my
mom
took
ill,
and
so,
like
my
application
states,
I
would
like
to
work
with
the
economic
development.
One
of
the
one
of
those
impact
areas,
because
I
feel
like
with
my
experience
in
education,
is
being
a
business
owner
that
has
provided
me
the
knowledge
that
would
be
helpful
by
serving
on
the
commission.
J
Q
Little
background
was
once
I
returned
back
to
asheville.
I
did
work
off
with
houston
housing
authority
city
of
asheville.
For
about
a
year,
then
I
moved
on
and
was
at
wachovia.
Then
it
changed
to
wells
fargo.
So
I
have
the
financial
background
and
then
in
2009
I
changed
from
going
into
banking
going
into
rest,
restaurant
and
I
was
blessed
to
have
a
to
be
able
to
purchase
a
subway
franchise
and
I
had
two
locations
out
in
the
fairview
area.
J
F
Hey
ranita,
it's
good
to
see
you.
I
know
you've
had
quite
a
bit
of
experience
with
the
housing
authority
and
in
your
application,
of
course,
economic
development
is
listed
as
number
one,
but
can
you
delve
in
more
deeply
with
affordable
housing
and
housing
in
general
in
asheville
and
any
ideas
you
have
about
what
that
might
look
like
from
a
reparations
standpoint.
Q
Q
Working
with
that,
it
also
provides
you
the
opportunity
to
put
yourself
where
the
residents
on
how
opportunities
are
given
to
assist,
and
that
was
one
of
the
things
that
we
tried
to
do
was
assist
them
in
how
they
could
move
out
of
housing,
but
moving
out
of
housing
also
required
some
time
income
that
they
did
not
have
to
rent
or
to
obtain
the
housing.
So
we
tried
to
provide
programs
that
would
assist
them
in
saving
to
purchase
their
first
home,
so
affordable
housing
is
needed.
K
Q
I
think
the
support
is
there
being
raised
and
being
born
here
in
asheville.
I
am
familiar
with
the
community
and
the
different
members
individuals
who
stay
in
the
different
minority
communities.
The
support
is
out
there.
I
personally
got
involved
in
my
communities
the
south
side,
association
and
matter
of
fact.
J
I'd
like
to
ask
you
another
question:
when
you
were
saying
you've
been
you're
on
the
housing,
you
know
board
for
so
long
during
all
that
time,
have
you
do
you
think
it's
the
housing
situation?
It's
gotten
a
lot
worse
or
have
you
seen
times
when
you
were
on
the
housing
board,
where
it
wasn't
that
bad
or
we
had
a
balanced
housing
inventory
where
it
was
more
or
less
a
period
of
time
where
it
was
more
balanced.
Q
To
me
personally,
I
feel
like
housing
has
got
worse
as
far
as
affordable
housing,
and
I
know
we
dealt
with
the
challenge
when
I
served
on
the
board
of
having
a
waiting
list
of
trying
to
house
so
to
me
that
shows
by
having
a
having
community
members,
wait
one
year,
two
years
on
a
waiting
list
that
there
is
not
affordable,
housing
out
there.
So
we
did
try
to
work
on
reducing
the
time
limit,
but
we
just
didn't
have
the
housing
available
as
far
as
standing
housing.
J
J
A
All
right,
thank
you,
ms
waters,
for
joining
us
today.
Thank
you.
Okay,
all
right.
We
have
one
final
candidate,
we're
interviewing
today
and
that's
joyce
harrison.
Can
you
hear
us?
Okay,
I
got
you
okay,
perfect!
All
right.
Could
you
please
yeah
sorry
that
was
you
worked
with
us?
That
was
good.
Could
you
please
just
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
yourself
and
why
you'd
like
to
serve
on
the
reparations
commission.
AA
AA
AA
AA
I
was
born
and
raised
here
in
the
south
side
I
lived
on
hibernia.
We
only
moved
because
our
house
caught
on
fire
and
we
had
to
move
there
were
10
of
us.
My
mother
refused
to
separate
us
so
against
all
things
that
she
believed
in
she
moved
us
to
hillcrest,
which
was
an
experience
that
we
never
had
because
we
lived
in
a
house
for
years,
but
it
was
an
experience
I'll
never
give
up.
AA
AA
AA
J
J
AA
That
is
the
area
of
my
expertise.
I
did
loans
in
ranging
anywhere
from
five
hundred
dollars
to
million
dollars.
I
heard
dee
say
that
you
know
money
is
what
the
community
needs.
She
is
absolutely
right.
The
banks,
just
don't
do
the
loans
to
the
communities
that
they
should
and
I'm
not
going
to
call
it
redlining,
but
I'm
going
to
call
it
like
it
is.
AA
When
I
was
creating
the
loan
pools
for
the
communities,
there
was
fresh
special
regulations
that
were
put
out
there
and
the
banks,
just
just
can't
do
it
because
of
the
regulations
somehow
somewhere
there
has
to
be
a
special
funding
set
up
for
small
minority
businesses
to
have
access
and
the
reason
I
say
that
is
a
lot
of
small
businesses.
Just
don't
understand
how
to
maintain
books,
which
is
what
the
banks
look
at.
AA
They
look
at
the
financials
small
businesses,
don't
have
the
north
all
or
whatever
to
do
all
the
things
that
they
need
to
do
to
make
that
work.
Somehow
the
other
we've
got
to
have
the
training
for
that.
We've
got
to
have
the
funding
for
that,
and
we
have
to
have
the
follow-up
for
that.
It
can't
be
just
as
you
plot
money
down
and
say
this
is
it.
It
has
to
be
followed
through
long
term.
J
And
you're
right
and
the
accountability
piece
needs
to
be
in
there
and
and
what
you
said,
which
we
knew
with
the
mortgage
industry:
banks
lend
to
people
that
don't
need
money.
So,
okay,
that's
what
things
are
for.
So
as
far
as
it's
dealing
with
my
since
I
I
don't
usually
use
face,
I
I
use
alternative
advancing
but
anyway,
but
thank
you
so
very
much
appreciate
it.
J
N
N
And
children
and
your
poor
mother,
my
goodness,
I'm
I'm
just
I'm
a
little
in
awe
of
the
story.
Thank
you
for
sharing
it.
You
seem
to
have
a
little
bit
of
an
interesting
edge
that
I
haven't
seen
in
other
applicants,
which
is
this
history
of
commercial
lending.
At
a
time
when
we
are
looking
for
this
resource
exactly
what
you're
pointing
to
how
have
we
failed
in
the
past?
How
has
the
environment
of
lending
failed
in
the
past
and
what
have
we
been
missing?
AA
Certainly,
yeah
that
this
is
exactly
what
I
did
when
we
put
together
the
loan
pools.
We
had
a
loan
pool
here
in
asheville.
We
had
loan
pools
in
the
western
part
of
the
state.
I
did
it
with
western
carolina
university
and
we
put
together
a
whole
lending
program
with
the
education
before
the
education
afterwards
to
make
sure
that
the
business
was
seated
and
it
continued
to
secede.
AA
Yeah,
our
organization
did
yes,
we
had
a
pool
of
money
that
we
used
for
down
payment
assistance.
We
had
special
programs
for
people
who
had
credit
issues.
We
didn't
always
use
freddie,
mac
or
fannie
mae.
We
had
all
the
book
loans
so
that
we
weren't
take.
We
were
taking
the
full
risk,
but
the
risk
wasn't
going
out
to
someone
else
and
we
did
riskier
loans
at
that
point
and
we
still
do
so.
AA
N
AA
AA
Let's
see
through
the
years
gosh
the
housing
trust
fund,
along
with
the
sleepout
asheville,
to
make
sure
to
put
the
awareness
out
there
of
where
we
had
the
major
snowstorm
that
came
in
the
blizzard
of
93..
We
did
that
full
sleep
out
the.
I
guess
the
lone
pools
that
I
put
together
were
they
were
like.
I
said
it
wasn't
just
for
asheville.
They
were
for
other
counties,
mcdowell,
silva
haywood,
county.
D
AA
AA
A
You
we
appreciate
it
and
sorry
for
the
technical
challenges
there
at
the
beginning,
thanks
for
hanging
in
there
with
us
all
right.
That
concludes
our
interviews
of
all
the
candidates
for
council's
appointment.
Thank
you
for
council's
appointment
to
the
reparations
commission.
Again,
council
will
be
appointing
five
folks
to
the
reparations
commission
this
coming
tuesday
or
this
coming
council
meeting,
which
I
believe
is
tuesday.
N
O
Yes,
this
is
brenda
mills
we
they
do.
They
are
due
today,
so
neighborhoods
were
to
prepare
to
send
back
to
the
project
manager,
their
two
representatives.
We
know
project
housing
had
public
housing
has
three
representatives,
so
we
should
receive
those
this
evening.
I've
actually
had
some
calls
from
a
couple
of
them
just
trying
to
make
sure
they
got
the
right
information
in,
but
we
have.
We
should
have
all
those
today
tomorrow.
D
Oh
really
quickly
really
quickly
something's
coming
up
for
me
after
we
select
our
folks
and
then
the
county
selects
their
group
of
people,
I'm
just
wondering
if
we
have
the
option
of
choosing
alternates
in
case,
for
you
know
an
unforeseen
reason,
a
person
cannot
serve
out.
You
know
the
the
entire
term.
You
guessed
it.
E
You
know
I'm
trying
to
envision
that
you
know
if
somebody
can
only
do
it
in
the
mornings,
and
you
know
they
can't
make
that
work.
For
everybody
is
that
gonna
I
mean
what
will
that
do
so.
It
might
be
a
good
idea
to
think
about
all
alternates
and
then
the
other
question
I
had
on
adding
on
to
that
is,
I
think,
the
county's
doing
kind
of
the
same
thing.
We
are
in
the
sense
that
we're
trying
to
find
people
with
expertise
or
input
in
the
various
areas.
E
N
A
And
if
the
county
does
that
as
well,
I
mean
that's
sort
of
a
massive
that
will
be
a
large.
I
mean
it's
already,
it's
already,
probably
our
largest
commission,
so
that'll
be
kind
of
challenging
just
logistically,
but,
and
I
would
want
I
would
want
the
alternates
to
attend,
so
they
don't
miss
out
right,
so
they
would
need
to
be
paid
for
their
time
as
well.
We
need
to
think
about
the
budget
implications
anyway,
brenda's.