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A
A
C
C
I
am
going
to
read
some
information
that
I
need
to
read
because
we're
doing
these
meetings
virtually,
and
so
they
require
some
a
little
more
specific
detail
in
how
we're
running
the
meeting
first
of
all
good
afternoon.
My
name
is
esther
mannheimer.
I
am
the
mayor
and
I'd
like
to
welcome
you.
C
All
council,
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually,
and
we
appreciate
your
patience
as
we
work
through
holding
these
council
meetings
a
little
bit
differently
to
help
our
audience
follow
along
I'll
state.
Each
section
of
the
agenda
out
loud
we
are
streaming,
live
on
our
virtual
engagement
hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
engagement
virtual
engagement
hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city's
website.
C
So
for
those
of
you
who
are
out
there
already
with
us,
welcome
tonight
we're
going
to
take
two
short
recesses,
one
at
7,
30
and
another
at
9,
30.,
okay,
so
for
tonight
for
public
comment,
we
ask
callers
to
sign
up
in
advance
to
join
the
live
speaker
queue.
We
will
only
be
taking
live
comments
from
those
who
signed
up
prior
to
tonight's
meeting.
C
Each
caller
is
allotted
three
minutes
to
speak
for
each
agenda
item
except
public
hearing
item
e
regarding
the
annual
budget
speakers
for
this
public
hearing
will
have
two
minutes
to
speak
in
order
to
hear
from
everyone
who
signed
up
to
speak
for
that
item.
For
the
budget
item
we
will
hear
live
comments
for
up
to
one
hour
for
the
other
agenda
items
and
for
the
budget
hearing
item.
There
is
not
a
time
limit
to
a
reminder
to
callers
you.
C
When
you
call
in
you
will
first
hear
staff
and
form
counsel
that
you're
next
to
speak,
then
you
will
hear
an
automated
message,
letting
you
know
you
are
unmuted
and
live
in
the
meeting.
You
may
begin
speaking
after
the
automated
message,
if
you
accidentally
drop
out
of
the
speaker,
queue
just
redial
the
number
and
meeting
code
and
press
star
3
to
rejoin
the
speaker
queue.
C
I
would
like
to
ask
all
those
participating
in
tonight's
public
comment
to
follow
council's
rules
of
decorum.
These
are
rules
of
deform
that
we've
had
for
a
long
time
that
were
adopted
by
council
a
long
time
ago.
These
rules
include
the
following:
speakers
are
only
allowed
to
speak
one
time
for
each
agenda
item
we've
had
some
trouble
with
that
and
it's
very
difficult
to
manage
that
virtually
a.
A
C
May
speak
only
if
they
have
signed
up
to
speak
in
accordance
with
the
city's
procedures
and
the
speaker
is
sub-
are
not
allowed
to
be
substituted
again.
Each
speaker
is
allotted
three
minutes
with
the
exception
of
the
budget
public
hearing
item,
wherein
we're
allowing
up
to
two
minutes
to
speak
in
order
to
accommodate
all
those
who
have
signed
up
for
that
item
and
speakers
cannot
relinquish
any
of
their
remaining
time
to
other
speakers.
C
I
sometimes
get
that
question
speakers
also
don't
expect
councils
or
staff
to
be
able
to
answer
comment
or
questions
while
you're
providing
your
comments,
but
at
the
end,
council
can
request
that
the
manager
provide
a
response
or
other
staff
members
to
provide
a
response.
C
Sometimes
we
get
questions
during
the
public
comment
period
and
the
the
format
is
that
we
don't
answer
those,
but
we
can
talk
about
them
at
the
end
of
the
public
comment
period
and,
finally,
you
you
may
be
asked
to
stop
speaking
if
you
do
not
follow
the
rules
of
decorum.
C
I
will
go
through
and
introduce
the
council
members
and
staff
who
are
participating
this
evening
virtually
and
council
members,
I'm
going
to
call
on
you
one
at
a
time.
Please
unmute
your
microphones
when
I
do
and
remember
to
mute
them
when
when
you're,
not
speaking,
so
I
will
begin
with
vice
mayor
whistler
good
evening.
D
H
C
C
C
Okay,
this
evening
we
have
one
proclamation
and
that
proclamation
is
a
resolution
of
appreciation
to
councilman
bj
kapoor.
This
is
councilman
kapoor's
last
meeting
with
the
city
council
and
he
is
moving
away
with
his
family.
We
will
miss
you
having
served
two
years
almost
two
years,
yeah
in
your
council
seat,
so
whenever
a
council
person's
term
ends
or
they
are
moving
on
for
whatever
reason,
we
always
have
a
resolution
of
appreciation.
C
C
That's
what
we're
doing
tonight
and
I'm
going
to
read
the
resolution
of
appreciation
to
councilman
vijay
kapoor,
whereas
vijay
kapoor
served
as
a
member
of
the
asheville
city
council
since
december
5th,
2017
and
whereas
vijay
unsturringly
devoted
over
three
years
to
the
city
of
asheville
during
a
period
of
time
that
numerous
projects
were
initiated
through
his
leadership,
which
will
continue
to
have
a
revitalizing
and
growing
impact
on
the
city
of
asheville.
C
Far
beyond
his
term
of
office,
in
particular
his
commitment
to
asheville's
economic
stability
and
his
commitment
to
funding
basic
government
services
and
whereas
vijay
served
as
a
member
of
the
city,
council,
finance
and
human
resources.
Committee
city,
council
planning
and
economic
development
committee.
Fireman's
relief
fund,
an
alternate
member
of
the
french
fraud,
river
metropolitan
planning
organization
and
the
land
of
sky,
regional
council
and
whereas
vijay
also
served
as
liaison
to
the
greater
asheville
area,
regional
airport,
civic
center
commission
neighborhood
advisory
committee
and
the
wnc
regional
air
quality
board.
C
And
whereas
vijay
has
been
a
powerful
influence
for
good
in
the
growth
and
progress
of
the
community.
And
whereas
bj
was
unique
in
his
sensitivity
for
doing
what
was
best
for
the
entire
community.
And
he
had
courage
in
expressing
his
convictions
in
a
special
way
in
dealing
with
complex
issues.
And
whereas
bj
has
demonstrated
in
many
practical
ways.
His
deep
and
genuine
love
for
the
city
and
the
surrounding
area.
C
I
It
right
here,
thank
you
for
that
in
the
sort
of
I
know,
this
is
gonna
be
a
long
meeting
in
the
interest
of
time.
I
will,
I
got
a
few
things
to
say,
but
I'll
save
them
until
thursday.
If
you
all
don't
mind.
C
J
C
Next,
we
have
the
consent
agenda
moving
to
the
consent
agenda,
I'm
going
to
ask
council
members
if
they
have
any
questions
or
comments
on
the
consent
agenda.
I
will
tell
you,
I
believe,
on
the
consent
agenda
is
the
timeline
for
appointing
the
council
vacancy
created
by
councilman
kapoor's
departure
and
that.
C
E
Not
a
question
just
a
comment
and
want
to
draw
everybody's
attention
to
the
to
item.
E
Let's
see
it
is
item
b,
which
is
the
author
authorizing
the
city
manager
to
enter
into
a
contract
with
nb
haynes
corporation
for
the
installation
of
on-site
solar,
pv
systems
at
five
city
facilities,
just
just
a
reminder
that
we
continue
to
march
forward
on
our
clean
energy
goals
and
our
100
renewable
energy
goals,
even
in
the
midst
of
everything
else,
that's
happening
so
a
bit
of
good
news
and
thanks
very
much
to
the
staff
for
their
work
on
that
and
continuing
to
keep
that
keep
that
work
moving
forward.
I
appreciate
it.
K
I
just
want
to
call
item
g
to
the
attention
of
the
public
we
had
over.
This
is
the
resolution
appointing
members
to
the
advanced
monument
task
force
very
difficult
decision.
We
had,
I
believe
it
was
110
or
something
along
those
lines
applications
we
were
limited
to
six
and
two
with
two
alternates,
and
I
just
wanted
to
say
we
appreciate
all
the
interest
in
this
and
and
good
luck
and
we,
we
hope
to
hear
great
things
from
that
committee.
C
And
maggie
are
the
appointments
for
the
vance
monument
now
virtually
linked
on
the
agenda.
H
No,
I'm
sorry
they're,
not.
I
believe,
mayor
that
you
are
going
to
make
that
announcement.
C
Oh,
I
see.
Okay.
Okay,
sorry,
all
right,
a
lot
of
paperwork
here,
sitting
in
front
of
me,
I've
got
it.
I
I
have
the
list
all
right.
Let
me
read
the
list
of
appointments
for
the
advanced
monument
task
force.
It's
antoinette
mosley,
deborah
miles,
bernard
oliphant,
savannah,
gibson,
orlean,
simmons
and
shirley
whitesides.
Again,
that's
antoinette
mosley,
deborah
miles
bernard
oliphant,
savannah,
gibson,
orlean,
simmons
and
shirley
whitesides
and
the
two
alternates
are
ben
scales
and
lawrence
gilliam.
So
alternates
are
ben
scales
and
lawrence
gilliam.
E
C
Often,
okay,
so
we
to
to
select
the
members
of
the
vance
task
force,
advanced
monument
task
force.
We
had
a
call
for
applications
and,
as
gwen
already
mentioned,
we
had
110
or
so
folks
apply
and
they
provided
their
basic
information,
but
also
answered
some
questions
that
were
included
in
the
application
council
was
provided.
All
of
the
applications
and
council
was
to
select
eight
well,
I
think
we
had.
C
We
had
to
select
eight,
because
we
technically
have
two
alternates
and
submit
our
selection,
each
of
us
individually
to
the
city,
clerk
and
the
city
clerk
tallied
up
all
of
the
votes,
if
you
will
for
for
the
members
and
then
took
the
top
eight
and
determined
who
the
six
members
will
be
and
the
two
alternates,
and
so
that's
how
that's
how
we
did
it.
C
C
Okay,
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second-
and
now
is
the
time
for
folks
who
have
signed
up
to
speak
on
the
consent
agenda.
We
have
a
number
of
people
that
have
signed
up
to
speak
under
the
consent
agenda,
so
callers
in
the
queue
again.
You
will
first
hear
staff
inform
the
council
that
you're
next
to
speak,
then
you
will
hear
an
automated
message,
letting
you
know
you
are
unmuted
and
live
in
the
meeting.
C
You
may
begin
speaking
after
the
automated
message
and
again,
if
you
accidentally
drop
out,
call
back
and
hit
star
3
to
rejoin
the
speaker
queue.
You
will
have
three
minutes
to
speak
and
maggie
burleson.
Our
city
clerk
is
the
time
keeper
for
speakers.
So
if
you
hear
her
time,
buzzer
dinging,
which
is
her
phone,
that
means
that
you've
reached
your
three
more
minutes.
L
Hi
there
during
this
consent
agenda
item,
I
would
like
to
point
out
that
these
changes
in
the
actual
procedures
of
how
to
call
in
and
make
public
comment
changing,
wasn't
discussed
in
the
council
meeting.
Previously
I
reviewed
the.
L
Up
by
emotion,
so
I'm
curious
how
you
arrived
at
changing
these
things.
It
seems
to
me,
like
another
direct
attempt
to
kind
of
stifle
dissent.
You
will
understand
my
concern
based
on.
L
And
with
the
buncombe
county
meeting,
where
they
condensed
all
the
comments
into
a
very
small
amount
of
time,
so
perhaps
I
am
wrong.
Perhaps
you
did
approve
this
new
measure,
in
which
case
shame
on
you.
Otherwise,
shame
on
you
that
you
did
not
follow
any
sort
of
due
process
to
get
this
change
to
occur.
I
would
also
like
to
draw
attention
during
this
comment
to
the
rules.
L
To
an
ordinance
or
code
actually
making
those
valid
on
unicode
again,
I
could
be
wrong,
but
that's
something
I
would
love
for
the
city
manager
or
attorney
to
get
back
to
me
on
now
that
you've
got
all
my
contact
information
on
where
exactly
and
when
and
what
code
cites
those
rules
of
decorum
that
you
all
are
enacting
here.
Thank
you
very
much.
P
Hi
there,
thank
you,
I'm
wanting.
N
I
also
want
to
lift
up
the
consent
item
c,
where
there's
the
donation
of
land
from
riverlink.
While
I
understand
that
this
is
a
small
parcel
that
can't
be
built
on,
I
just
really
hope
that
anytime,
there
is
any
land
moving.
There
is
any
land
being
donated.
C
Okay,
council,
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
adopt
the
consent
agenda
again,
because
this
we
are
doing
a
virtual
meeting
under
the
legislature's
rules
for
virtual
meetings
that
they
adopted.
Recently
we
have
to
do
a
roll
call
vote
for
all
of
our
votes.
So
we
have
a
motion
in
a
second
and
I
will
begin
by
calling
vice
mayor,
whistler,
hi,
okay,
councilman
haynes.
R
C
G
C
C
Okay,
great!
Thank
you!
Okay!
Folks.
We
have
a
couple
of
presentations
and
reports.
The
first
is
the.
B
Thank
you
and
good
evening
again,
I'm
going
to
wait
to
have
my
presentation
pulled
up
next
slide,
please
mayor,
as
you
know,
and
the
rest
of
council
staff
and
the
general
public.
B
We
created
a
30
60
90
day
work
plan
that
we
have
been
providing
updates
to
you
all
for
the
past.
Probably
two
council
meetings
we're
going
to
again
continue
that
process
of
updating
you
on
our
work
around
demands
that
we
have
gotten
from
the
black
asheville
demands
coalition
to
address
some
specific
racial
and
economic
justice
issues.
B
We
created
this
30
60
90
day
plan
really
to
help
us
prioritize
and
track
the
work,
because
we
want
it
to
be
extremely
intentional
about
our
response
and
we
want
it
to
not
only
be
intentional,
but
we
want
it
to
be
also
timely.
So
tonight
I
want
to
focus
principally
the
update
on
one
of
the
most.
I
think
I
won't
say
necessarily
important,
but
it
really
has
gotten
a
lot
of.
B
A
B
B
So
what
I
want
to
go
on
record
of
saying
is
that
city
staff
and
I'm
sure,
elected
officials,
have
heard
the
concerns
around
the
current
search,
delivery
models
related
to
law
enforcement
and
policing,
and
that
I
think,
a
lot
of
people
in
our
community
and
possibly
even
nationally
feel
that
some
of
these
approaches
do
more
harm
than
good,
especially
in
black,
indigenous
and
latinx
communities.
B
So
we
think
our
goal
when
we
hear
conversations
around
defund
divest
and
invest,
is
that
people
want
our
communities
to
feel
safer,
not
with
additional
law
enforcement,
but
with
holistic
health,
economic
education
and
other
human
services
that
nourish
and
stabilize
people
in
their
communities.
Next
slide,
please,
and
so
again,
I
want
to
go
on
record
to
say
that
city
staff
supports
the
divest
and
invest
strategy.
B
However,
racism
is
a
systemic
problem,
it's
bigger
than
police
and
the
city.
In
fact,
we
cannot
solve
this
issue
alone.
Nor
can
we
solve
it
within
90
days,
but
we
can
make
some
progress
and
that's
what
I
hope
to
describe
to
you
over
the
next
several
weeks,
the
attention
that
we're
going
to
pay
to
this
issue.
B
We
think
the
response
needs
to
be
strategic,
attainable
and
collaborative
next
slide.
Please,
and
so
our
next
steps,
around
defund
divest
and
invest,
will
be
to
determine
how
we
really
reimagine
public
safety
in
asheville,
and
by
that
really
I
mean
how
do
we
deliver
these
types
of
services
in
our
community?
B
We
want
to
work
with
the
community
to
find
the
roles
and
responsibilities
of
police
and
other
city
departments,
and,
as
I
said,
this
is
a
community-wide
issue,
so
we
will
need
assistance
from
other
community
partners
next
slide,
please,
and
so,
as
we
think
about
reimagining
public
safety
in
asheville,
we're
looking
at
a
goal
to
determine
how
the
city
of
asheville
structures,
department,
responsibilities
and
community
partnerships
in
a
way
that
promotes
racial
equity
and
economic
inclusion.
Next
slide,
please,
and
so
we
are
creating
a
public
engagement
process
and
that
process
actually
has
already
been
underway.
B
I
said
in
our
our
last
meeting
for
the
council
meeting
that
our
step,
one,
that
we
were
going
to
get
feedback
on
an
approach
to
having
this
community
engagement
process
and
the
approach
that
we
would
use
to
engage
the
community
in
this
very
vitally
important
conversation
that
we
were
going
to
convene
three
groups
of
what
we
are
calling
focus
groups.
They
consisted
of
facilitators,
internal
staff
and
community
representatives,
and
now
I'm
going
to
kind
of
give
you
the
results
of
those
conversations.
Next
slide.
B
Please,
and
so
first
I'd
like
to
thank
those
people
who
gave
up
their
time
to
have
this
conversation
with
us
kind
of
the
the
guinea
pig
the
the
test
group
that
we
asked
questions
about
our
approach.
Are
we
asking
the
right
questions?
Are
we
approaching
this
from
the
right
perspective
to
get
the
kind
of
feedback
and
interest
in
the
conversation
of
reimagining
how
public
safety
and
public
safety
services
are
delivered
in
our
community?
B
I
must
say
that
the
input
was
invaluable
and
in
some
instances
it
was
extremely
revealing
in
terms
of
a
lot
of
work
that
local
government
has
to
do
around
this
issue.
You
can
see
the
number
of
people,
I'm
I'm
not
going
to
to
name
them
but
again
to
thank
them
for
their
time
and
for
their
insight.
Next
slide,
please!
B
So
what
did
we
learn
a
lot
and,
as
I
said,
it
was
extremely
revealing-
I'm
not
going
to
read
all
of
this,
but
I
will
just
take
a
couple
of
those
that
I
think
that
are
are
extremely
enlightening
to
us
and
informative
in
terms
of
our
our
next
steps.
B
The
first
one
was
something
that
I
kind
of
sensed,
but
I
was
very
I'm
disappointed
and
that
is
that
community
trust
in
city
government
has
been
eroded
and
it
may
be
difficult
for
us
to
regain
it.
I
hope
that's
not
the
case.
B
The
second
one,
the
city
is
good
at
stretching
out
processes
indefinitely
with
little
or
no
tangible
results.
That
is
not
the
intent
of
this
process,
and
I
guess.
Lastly,
we
need
to
have
authentic
conversations
about
the
types
of
of
change.
That's
really
possible
and
figure
out
what's
broken
and
commit
to
making
changes.
That's
definitely
what
we
want
to
do
next
slide.
B
We
need
to,
I
guess,
use
lots
of
types
of
mediums
for
these
meetings
and
in
terms
of
gathering
input
like
questionnaires
blogs,
face-to-face
meetings,
etc.
If
we
are
allowed
to
do
so,
based
on
where
we
are
in
terms
of
our
public
health
pandemic
next
slide,
and
so
now
I'm
going
to
talk
about
we've
completed
step,
one
of
this
process
and
now
step
two
hosting
community
meetings.
B
We
want
to
have
our
facilitators
identified
and
those
facilitators,
we
think,
definitely
have
to
come
from
the
community.
It
will
not
be
staffed.
Standing
up,
facilitating
these
conversations,
we
will
have
facilitators,
that'll,
lead
this
process,
and
hopefully
that
will
enable
us
to
have
a
more
open
conversation
around
this
important
issue
for
our
community.
B
Our
meetings
will
last
from
about
mid
middle
of
august,
we're
trying
to
finalize
the
facilitators
list
by
next
week
and
start
our
meetings
immediately
and
they
will
last
until
mid-september.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we
understand
the
problem.
We're
trying
to
solve
not
only
again
divesting
but
also
investing
and
reinvesting
provide
the
context.
So
we
can
make
those
smart
decisions
and
then
we
want
to
begin
to
make
those
strategic
organizational
and
budgeted
budgetary.
B
How
will
you
engage
the
the
community
first
we'd
like
to
just
share
some
information
about
the
services
provided
now
by
the
city
and
especially
the
asheville
police
department.
Get
statistical
information
about
service
calls
a
number
of
things
that
we'd
like
to
share,
but
that
would
be
the
minority
part
of
the
meeting.
B
B
What
do
you
think
is
needed
for
you
to
feel
safer
in
your
community
of
these
things,
which
things
do
you
think
apd
needs
to
continue
to
provide
what
things
should
be
done
by
other
agencies
or
organizations
and
then
more
broadly,
what
other
types
of
investments
are
needed
in
your
community
to
improve
your
and
others?
In
your
community
quality
of
life
next
slide,
please.
B
So
step
three
will
be
after
we
have
had
these
meetings
to
report
decide
on
the
recommendations
in
a
time
frame
for
implementation.
We
want
to
continue
to
update
this
council
in
this
community
about
our
community
engagement
process.
We
will
do
that
in
a
number
of
ways,
not
just
at
council
meetings
but
on
our
website
and
through
all
kinds
of
of
media
opportunities
as
well
as
social
media.
B
You
want
to
develop
some
preliminary
recommendations
between
august
and
september,
but
I
again
hasten
and
to
remind
you
that
we
cannot
solve
this
between
august
and
september,
so
this
will
be
an
ongoing
conversation,
but
we
do
want
to
make
some
significant
headway
and
steps
toward
those
conversations,
as
well
as
developing
a
divesting
and
an
investing
strategy.
B
Next
slide,
please,
and
so
with
that
council.
If
you
all
have
any
questions
anything
I
need
to
clarify-
or
you
want
me
to
embellish
at
this
time,
I'll.
I
Thank
you
for
that
presentation.
The
one
question
I
would
have
for
you
all
in
terms
of
as
as
you're
going
through
this,
especially
as
you
get
to
the
implementation
part.
You
know
one
one,
one
piece
of
information
or
a
bit
of
data
that
may
be
helpful
to
include
is
you
know
the
types
of
calls
that
our
police
officers
are
sort
of
required
to
do
so.
I
If
you're,
you
know-
and
I
think
there
was
some
analysis
done
by
by
by
a
media
group
and
again,
I'm
not
sure
to
the
extent
the
city
agrees
with
that
or
not.
But
you
know
a
lot
of
the
work
that
sometimes
the
officers
have
to
do
are
things
that
are
either
state
mandated
or
otherwise
and
again
things
may
change
on
that.
But
but
I
think
it
may
also
be
helpful
and
if
folks.
R
I
I
I
If
your
goal
is
to
reduce
the
size
of
the
budget,
you're
going
to
need
to
reduce
the
size
of
personnel
and
if,
if,
if
that's,
what's
going
on,
you
know
they're
they're
they're
not
going
to
be
able
to
have
to
they're
they're
they're
they're
gonna
have
to
stop
doing
things
that
they're
currently
doing
and
having
a
public
lease
understand
that,
I
think
could
be,
could
be
helpful
in
terms
of
understanding
what
what
is
possible
and
what
may
not
be
possible
with
respect
to
the
budget.
B
Thank
you.
That
is
exactly
the
kind
of
information
that
we
want
to
share
with
the
public
in
order
for
them
to
make.
You
know
some
good
decisions
and
pragmatic
decisions.
E
I've
got
I've
got
some
comments
I
want
to
make,
but
I'll
ask
a
couple
of
questions.
First,
my
my
comments
were,
I
didn't
know
whether
it
was
going
to
make
more
sense
to
make
them
now
or
in
the
context
of
the
budget
conversation,
but
I
think,
given
that
presentation,
it
makes
more
sense
to
make
them
now.
But
let
me
just
ask
a
couple
questions.
E
First,
so
first
deborah
kind
of
following
up
a
little
bit
on
bj's
question:
can
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
role
that
apd
is
going
to
play
in
these
conversations
I
mean:
are
they
going
to
be
in
the
room
as
people
are
talking
about,
shifting
responsibility
off
of
them
or
is,
or
is
their
involvement
going
to
happen
in
a
different
way.
B
Their
involvement
will
happen
in
a
a
little
bit
of
a
different
way.
A
lot
of
their
involvement
will
be
data
gathering
that
is
providing
us
with
with
information
about
service
calls
and
actually
having
a
conversation,
a
facilitated
conversation
with
them
about
you
know
what
are
the
things
you
all
feel
you're
not
qualified
to
do,
because
we
hear
a
lot
of
that
that
that
a
lot
of
the
things
and
roles
that
police
have
assumed
are
almost
unfunded
mandates.
There
are
things
that
they
never
were
trained
to.
B
Do
they
actually
don't
want
to
do
them,
so
we
we,
we
will
have
those
kinds
of
conversations
with
with
them
about
those
kinds
of
issues
but
julie.
I
I
don't
think
this
is
my
feeling
of
the
chief
and
and
and
even
the
facilitators
may
feel
differently,
but
I
would
prefer
that
they
not
be
in
the
room
when
we're
having
these
these
conversations,
and
if
there
are
questions
or
clarifications
they'll
be
on
standby.
Not
you
know,
staff
can
relay
that
information.
E
Yeah,
I
don't.
I
don't
disagree
with
that.
I
I
do
think
it
could
be
helpful
to
bring
to
those
meetings
the
information
that
that
you're
going
to
gather
from
them
about
the
things
that
they
do,
that
they
don't
feel
qualified
to
do
or
don't
want
to
do
or
feel
like
drains
their
time
and
resources
from
doing
things
that
they
are
trained
to
do.
That.
Could,
I
think,
be
really
my
guess.
E
Is
it's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
the
same
stuff
that
the
community
doesn't
want
them
to
do
so
it
could
be
a
nice
way
to
actually
try
to
build
some
build
some
trust
there.
My
second
question
is
it.
It
seems
like
this
process
actually
is
going
to
start
diving
in
a
little
bit
into
the
question
of
reparations,
because
one
of
the
conversations
is
where,
if
we're
going
to
make
new
investments,
where
can
we
make
new
investments?
E
Is
the
commission,
but
that
resolution
really
gets
at
you
know
it's
very
clear
that
it
says
the
city
can't
do
this
alone,
and
so
the
commission
is
going
to
be
making
broader
recommendations
to
the
to
the
larger
community
and
corporate
community,
and
all
of
that
do
you
anticipate
getting
into
any
of
that
in
this
process,
or
is
this
process
really
going
to
be
focused
on?
This
is
what
the
city
needs
to
be
doing
right
now,.
B
It's
so
so,
yes,
I
will.
I
think
that
this
process
needs
to
certainly
focus
on
the
role
of
the
city
organization,
including
police,
but
there
may
be
things
that
police
are
doing,
that
other
city
and
departments
should
take
up
and
be
and
be
doing,
and
so
that's
why
we're
looking
at
it
from
a
broader
organizational
perspective
in
terms
of
the
the
reparations
I
had
a
conversation
earlier
with
the
group
around
the
concept
of
reparations
in
is
this
different?
Is
it
separate,
I
really
think
it
falls
under
the
umbrella
of
reparations
it.
B
It
may
be
one
of
those
those
efforts
that
is
again
within
the
context
of
the
conversation
that
I
I
think
you
all
had
in
mind
when
you
were
talking
about
reparations.
You
were
talking
about
generational
wealth
and
I
believe
that
this
effort
people
feeling
secure
in
their
communities
being
able
to
have
the
services
delivered
to
them
appropriately,
as
well
as
opportunities
for
economic
mobility.
All
of
that
is
around
the
the
concept
of
of
reparations
as
well.
E
It
seems
like
this
is
really
the
first
step
that
you're
taking
in
that
requested
you
to
start
developing
along
the
short
long
and
medium
term.
That's.
E
H
K
Item
that
required
that
require,
like
traffic,
I
know,
requires
under
state
law
that
police
officers
uniformed
or
sworn
officers
have
to
do,
which
I
really
like
in
north
carolina
is
different
than
other
states,
but
also
can
we
address
sort
of
what
cities
are
allowed
to
do
in
north
carolina
versus
what
counties
must
or
should
do,
because
I
think
that
also
is
gonna
be
come
into
the
conversation
about
the
fact
that
really
counties
in
north
carolina
take
care
of
health
and
human
services,
and
so
you
know
how
is
that
just
because
because
or
is
it
mandated
so
some
of
those
conversations
I
think
the
community
I
mean
north
carolina
is
just
such
a
unique
little
something
to
our
legislation
and-
and
some
of
these
fixes
may
have
to
be
much
longer
term,
and
you
know
we're
going
to
need
to
lobby
our
our
legislators
in
raleigh
for
not
only
for
several
of
these
changes.
K
But
maybe
if
we
could,
you
know
as
you're
gathering
that
information,
if
you
can
kind
of
think
of,
I
mean
especially
the
separation
between
what
counties
do
and
what
municipalities
do
in
north
carolina.
B
Absolutely
and-
and
I
think
that
that's
why
we
wanted
to
start
the
process
with
us,
providing
some
information
contextually,
so
that
we
can
not
create
expectations
that
we
are
not
going
to
be
able
to
fulfill
that.
We
clearly
document
that
these
are
the
things
that
are
actually
required,
that
a
sworn
police
officer
do
and
differentiate
that
from
these
other
services
that
the
city
most
cities
deliver
as
it
relates
to
human
services.
B
But
that's
I
don't
want
people
to
think
that,
because
we
are
providing
information
doesn't
mean
that
in
the
future,
as
you
were
saying
gwen
that
we
may
want
to
do
something
different,
we
may
want
to
ask
the
county
or
the
state
for
us
to
have
a
different
role.
We're
not
saying
that
these
are
unachievable,
obstacles,
we're
just
saying:
here's
where
we
are
today
and
then
let's
make
a
conscious
decision
as
to
whether
we
want
to
do
something
differently.
F
F
I
think
that
is
again
a
very
complex
issue
and
being
able
to
hear
the
concerns
like
you've
mentioned
before
and
come
up
with
certain
delivery
models
of
how
to
make
this
happen
and
again,
an
intentional
way
with
the
community
and
not
ruling.
Anything
out
is
where
we
need
to
be
so.
I
appreciate
that
I'm
in
support
of
this
very
intentional
move.
I
believe
that
this
issue
is
a.
F
It
revolves
around
a
spider
web
of
all
all
sorts
of
systemic
issues,
as
mentioned
before,
for
the
reparations
and
and
so
on
and
so
forth,
and
you
and
I
have
had
elevated
conversations
on
what
comes
next
and
and
what
are
the
steps
that
we
will
need
to
take,
and
I
think
we
are
visioning
out
to
see
that
and
again
I
can
appreciate
that.
So
I
am
looking
forward
to
moving
moving
this
process
through
with
the
help
of
the
community
and
everyone
else
being
on
board
to
work
together
to
make
this
happen.
F
So
thank
you
and
I'm
I'm
still
going
to
be
in
talks
with
you
and
other
council
members
about
future
steps,
as
well
as
individuals
in
the
community.
So
I
appreciate
this.
E
I
think
I'd
like
I
think,
I'd
like
to
do
it
now.
It
fits
a
lot
with
I
mean
it
is
it
could
be
budget,
or
this
I
mean
it
relates
to
both,
but
but
so
thanks
and
I'll
try
to
make
these.
E
As
short
as
I
can,
this
is
my
only
soliloquy
for
the
evening,
so
we
have
heard
a
lot
over
the
last
week
or
so
about
things
that
have
not
been
clear
to
the
public
and-
and
I
just
want
to
apologize
for
that-
I
think
we,
you
know,
as
I've
been
talking
to
people
what
I've
been
saying
to
them.
Well,
of
course,
it's
clear
we've
been
saying
it,
but
we
we
obviously
don't
always
say
it
the
right
way
or
we
don't
say
it
clearly
enough
or
we're
we
just.
E
We
forget
that
we're
in
meetings
and
conversations
that
the
public
is
not
so
so
I
I
think
deborah
has
just
made
it
clear,
but
I
want
to
put
a
real
fine
point
on
it
that
this
process
that
she
has
laid
out
is
about
getting
to
the
place
where
we
are
going
to
be
shifting
money
and
resources
and
responsibilities
from
the
police
to
other
city
departments,
other
community
partners,
and
things
like
that,
it's
you
know
we're
we're
and
that
relates
to
the
budget.
E
This
is
the
other
piece
that
there
has
been
some
confusion
about.
We've
been
getting
asked
a
lot
for
a
detailed
budget,
and
why
don't
we
have
a
detailed
budget
and
the
reason
we
don't
have
a
detailed
budget
is
because
what
we're
doing
tonight
is
just
adopting
a
continuation
budget,
which
is
the
same.
It's
essentially
the
same
that
we've
been
spending
and
there
is
a
presentation.
There
are
some
differences
and
those
will
become
clear,
but
you
know
there's
no,
there's
no
major
shift
right.
E
The
major
shift
is
going
to
come
when
we're
finished,
with
the
process
that
deborah
just
that
deborah
just
outlined
so,
and
that
is
where
I
think
in
our
minds.
The
detail
is
important
and,
and,
and
you
will
the
public
will
get
that
detail.
There's
no,
I
think,
there's
no
question
about
that.
We're
going
to
need
to
see
it,
the
public
is
going
to
need
to
see
it,
but
but
we're
just
not
there
yet
I
do.
I
do
hope.
E
My
fingers
are
crossed
that
this
process
that
that
debra
has
laid
out
can
happen
in
three
months.
That
is
an
extraordinarily
aggressive
time
frame.
I
I
think,
but
you
know
it's
what
we're
committing
to
and
and
it's
what
is
what
I
hope
we
we
can.
We
can
in
fact
do,
and
so
I
also
just
want
to
say,
I
understand
the
frustration
that
that
people
are
expressing
to
us
about
the
pace
of
change
and
to
some
degree.
I
do
share
that
frustration.
E
You
know,
y'all
may
or
may
not
know
this
about
me,
but
until
I
was
elected
in
2015,
I
had
spent
my
entire
adult
career
as
an
advocate
outside
of
government
advocating
inside
government,
and
that
is
still
mostly
what
I
do
in
my
day.
Job
is
advocate
to
government
from
outside
of
government.
So
I
get
the
frustration
when
when
government
doesn't
do
what
you
want
it
to
do,
when
you
want
it
to
do
it
and
how
you
want
it
to
do
it,
you
know
you're
the
advocates
on
the
outside
I'm
the
advocate
on
the
outside.
E
I
know
exactly
what
needs
to
happen,
and
I
they
just
the
government
just
needs
to
listen
to
me
and
do
it
and
and
again.
I
also
understand
the
assumption
that
if
government
isn't
doing
that,
that
there
must
be
some
nefarious
deep,
dark
secret
reason
for
why
that's
not
happening
either
that
or
they're
just
idiots
and
for
sure
you
can't
trust
them
at
all,
and
I
think
there
are
probably
a
lot
of
people
out
there
right
now.
E
Saying
yes,
exactly,
and
I
appreciate
the
trust
in
government
and
in
us
as
a
council
and
in
the
police
is,
is
possibly
at
an
all-time
low.
It
certainly
feels
that
way
to
me
in
the
time
that
I've
been
on
council.
E
And,
as
deborah
said,
we
can't
undo
the
systems
that
people
are
calling
on
us
to
undo
with
one
or
two
quick
decisions.
We
cutting
the
police
budget
by
50
today,
which
is
not
on
our
agenda
to
do,
or
even
probably
in
three
months,
isn't
going
to
change
the
police.
It
will
just
mean
that
everybody
waits
longer
for
the
police
when
they
really
need
help
it'll
meet.
E
You
know
everybody
will
wait
longer
when
your
house
is
being
broken
into
when
your
house
is
being
shot
at
when
there
are
drug
addicts
who
need
narcan
when
you
get
into
a
car
accident
when
there's
a
mentally
ill
person
who
needs
to
get
picked
up
and
taken
to
a
hospital
or
a
safe
place
when
a
woman
needs
protective
protection
from
her
abusive
partner,
and
you
know
if
we
just
say
we're
taking
50
from
the
police.
E
That
is
what
we
would
have
here
if
we
do
that
without
any
thoughtful,
thoughtful
analysis
and
planning.
Likewise,
we've
been
getting
a
lot
of
criticism
about.
Well.
Why
don't
you
just
ban
tear
gas?
We
don't
understand
why
you're
just
not
going
to
ban
tear
gas
and
again
I
would
say
that
banning
tear
gas
isn't
going
to
change
the
culture
of
policing.
E
It's
one,
it's
one
tool
and
it
won't
change
the
culture
that
that
resulted
in
the
police
using
that
tool.
The
police
will
simply
find
another
tool
that
we
may
or
may
not
like,
more
or
less.
That
may,
in
fact,
be
even
more
harmful.
So
again,
this
process
is
very
important
and
we
don't
want
to
make
quick
change.
E
What
we
need
to
make
is
lasting
change
as
again
keith
and
others
have
said,
we're
talking
about
undoing
literally
decades
of
standard
practice.
Decades
of
the
way
things
have
been
happening
and
that's
not
going
to
change
overnight
so
and,
as
I've
said
before
one
of
my
big
drivers
in
this
about
why
we
can't
just
do
this,
is
you
know
we
as
debra
said
in
her
presentation?
We
need
to
be
and
believe
it
or
not.
I
didn't
look
at
that
before.
I
wrote
these
comments,
but
you
know
we
need
to
be.
E
We
can't
just
take
things
away
from
police.
They
have
to
have
a
place
to
go
and
we
don't
have
places
for
them
to
go
yet,
and
so,
if
we
don't
have
places
for
these
things
to
go
these
responsibilities,
these
obligations,
these
services,
that
the
police
currently
provide
to
our
community.
If
we
don't
have
places
for
those
things
to
go,
that
ultimately
is
going
to
hurt
the
people
in
our
community
who
are
the
most
vulnerable,
the
mentally
ill,
the
people
with
drug
and
alcohol
addiction,
people
who
are
suffering
abuse
people
who
are
victims
of
crime.
E
So
we
also
know
that
the
public
is
demanding
a
lot
more
transparency
and
a
lot
more
involvement.
That
also
doesn't
go
hand
in
hand
with
doing
things
quickly.
E
If
we
were
to
have
made
these
decisions
all
by
ourselves
in
closed
doors,
behind
closed
doors
and
just
presented
it
out,
we
would
be
getting
an
earful
about
how
we
didn't
involve
the
community
in
this
conversation,
and
so
we're
gonna
involve
the
community
in
the
conversation.
But
that
takes
time
it
doesn't
just
happen
overnight.
E
I'm
reminded
in
all
of
this
of
the
the
proverb
that,
if
you
want
to
go
fast,
go
alone,
if
you
want
to
go
far,
go
together
and
my
view
is
right
now
we
need
to
go
far.
We,
which
means
we
need
to
go
together,
and
that
means
we
need
you
as
members
of
the
public.
It
means
you
need
us
to
do
to
make
these
changes
and,
if
we're
going
to
walk
forward
together.
E
I
I'd
like
to
suggest
that
we
that
we
all
around
need
to
change
the
tone
and
the
shape
of
the
conversation
that
we're
having
on
our
side.
We
need
to
be
more
transparent
about
our
processes
about
our
thinking.
We
need
to
be
clearer
about
our
intentions,
about
where
we're
going.
We
need
to
share
more
information,
and
I
will
certainly
endeavor
to
try
to
make
that
happen,
and,
if
we're
not
doing
it,
please
just
ask
us.
Please
just
ask
us
on
your
side
the
public
side.
E
That's
not
what
we're
trying
to
do
here.
So
I
would
ask
that
you
know
you
try
to
find
out
what's
behind
the
decision
and
that
that
could
actually
be
a
good
step
in
creating
some
better
dialogue
going
forward.
Now
I
realize
that
asking
people
to
stop
and
think
and
ask
questions
in
the
days
of
facebook,
twitter
and
easy
email
is
that
may
just
be.
You
know
I
may
just
be
shouting
in
the
wind,
but
I'm
just
gonna
ask
it
anyway,
it's
going
to
be
better
for
all
of
us
going
forward.
E
E
Honestly,
just
yelling
at
us
saying
do
this
now
or
don't
do
this
ever
is
not
very
helpful
and
that's
mostly
the
kinds
of
emails
that
we've
been
getting
please
meet
us
where
we
are
in
these
discussions
in
the
processes
that
we
have
created
and
and
and
be
you
know,
offer
us
solutions,
and
instead
of
offer
solutions
that
can
be
implemented.
E
You
know
instead
of
you
know,
frankly,
just
yelling
at
us.
It's
our
job
to
get
yelled
at
we
get
yelled
at
a
lot.
I
get
that
I'm
not
saying
we
shouldn't
get
yelled
at
I'm
just
saying
we
need
to
transition.
E
I
hope
we
can
transition
into
a
more
constructive
dialogue
and
third-
and
this
is
probably
the
hardest-
I
just
want
to
ask
for
your
patience,
each
of
these
issues,
the
advanced
monument,
the
police
and
the
budget
and
reparations
these
are
big
lists.
These
are
really
big
lists
and
we're
essentially
asking
our
city
staff
to
manage
these
three
processes
essentially
at
the
same
time,
and
if
we're
gonna
do
it
thoughtfully?
E
E
Nothing
that
we're
being
asked
to
do
is
easy
and
nothing
that
we're
being
asked
to
do
is
non-controversial.
We
do
get.
You
know,
maybe
more
emails
on
one
side
of
an
issue
than
other
than
the
other,
but
we're
hearing
from
everybody
on
both
sides
on
all
sides
of
all
of
these
issues,
and
that
is
part
of
our
job
as
elected
officials,
is
to
hear
all
of
that
and
find
a
way
to
move
forward,
and
even
when
we
know
where
we
want
to
go,
things
can
take
time.
E
So,
just
in
closing
I'll
just
say
we're
in
this
moment
of
great
change,
and
I
sense
that
everybody
on
council
is
aware
of
that
and
embraces
that
and
wants
to
move
forward.
So
let's
go
far
and
let's
go
together
and
let's
use
these
processes
that
are
in
front
of
us
to
try
to
rebuild
the
trust
that
needs
to
be
there
if
there
is
ever
going
to
be
peace
in
this
community
and
if
we
are
ever
going
to
move
forward
I'll
stop
there.
Thank
you.
C
C
The
idea
of
changing
around
how
we're
doing
policing
and
engaging
community
partners
to
maybe
peel
off
some
of
the
things
that
police
are
having
to
do
now.
That
might
be
more
appropriate
to
be
done
in
other
ways.
You
know
expanding
on
things
like
our
engagement
with
homeward
bound
around
homelessness
services
and
and
exploring
other
partnerships
like
that
that
we're
we've
already
somewhat
embarked
on,
but
but
will
you
know,
I'm
I
think
we'll
probably
want
to
expand
on
in
the
reimagining
policing
concept?
C
I
think
the
point
you're
making
is
a
good
one,
which
is
you
know
we.
We
have
gotten
a
lot
of
emails
which
have
said
something
like
it's
been
two
months.
Why
didn't
you
change
everything
and
defund
the
police
and
slash
the
budget
by
50,
and
you
know
I
think
the
challenge
here,
of
course,
is
that
you
know
our
police
department
is
about
250
people.
Our
police
department
is
currently
managing
hundreds
of
calls
for
service
every
month
and
to
to
we
don't
have
a
plan.
C
C
I
think
what
you
were
saying
is:
how
would
we
manage
all
those
calls
for
service,
whether
it's
domestic
violence
or
or
break-ins
or
whatever
it
is
that
are
those
calls
for
service,
and
it
would
be,
I
mean
frankly,
in
my
opinion,
you're
responsible,
if
we
didn't
have
a
plan
for
how
to
to
otherwise
respond
to
all
those
calls
for
service.
So
I
sure
you
don't
need
more
than
two
months
to
slash
a
budget
by
50.
C
That's
something
you
can
do,
but
you
certainly
need
more
than
two
months
to
bring
on
other
folks
that
can
provide
those
services
in
a
non-policing
manner,
and
that's
the
part
to
me
that
is
going
to
take
time
to
figure
out
what
are
those
services
that
we
already
know
some
of
them,
because
we've
been
doing
some
of
it
already,
but
but
what
are
those?
C
What
are
those
calls
that
that
we
can
handle
in
other
ways
and
then
hiring
those
people
or
or
engaging
with
non-profits
that
provide
those
services
and
moving
into
that
structure
that
that,
obviously
I
mean
anyone
who's
had
to
work
with
hiring
and
growing
employees
and
training
people
and
bringing
people
online
that
that
takes
a
lot
longer
than
two
months.
C
So
what
what
I'm
hopeful
that
we'll
get
out
of
this
process
that
the
city
managers
is
taking
us
through
around
reimagining
policing,
is
something
of
a
road
map
for
for
how
what
we're
going
to
do
and
how
we're
going
to
get
there,
and
possibly
even
some
timelines,
for
how?
How
that's
going
to
work
and,
as
you
mentioned,
julie,
the
key
ingredient
here
being
transparency,
so
that
the
public
can
engage
in
this
process
and
can
understand
how
how
it's
going
to
work
so
that
you
know.
That's!
C
We're
still
under
presentations,
we
haven't
even
gotten
to
the
budget.
Yet
so
does
anybody
else
have
any
comments
or
questions
at
this
stage
before
we
move
to
the
next
presentation.
C
Okay,
the
the
only
other
presentation
we
have
tonight
is
appointing
the
vacancy
created
by
councilman
kapoor's
resignation,
and
we
have
had
a
flurry
of
confusion
about
this
today.
So
our
I'm
gonna
ask
our
city
attorney
to
address
this,
but
first
I
believe
maggie.
Are
you
gonna
put
up
the
timeline?
Is
there
someone
gonna.
H
The
production
staff
will
put
your
timeline
up.
Okay,.
C
So
the
council
will
be
appointing
the
vacancy
created
by
councilman
kapoor's
resignation
and
the
staff-
hopefully
here
in
just
a
minute,
we'll
put
up
the
timeline
for
that
appointment
process.
C
The
full
council
appoints
this
vacancy
and
right
now
we
are
under
the
first
phase
of
this,
which
is
to
advertise
for
applications.
So
you
can
apply
for
this
vacancy
and
under
state
law.
I
believe
the
requirements
are
that
you're,
a
resident
of
the
city
and
that
you're
registered
to
vote.
C
Those
are
the
state
law
requirements
for,
for
who
is
eligible
to
apply
for
the
vacancy
and
the
deadline.
As
you
can
see,
there
is
going
to
be
noon
on
august
20th
and
then
the
council
will
be
given
all
the
applications
and
the
questions
that
people
provided
responses
to,
so
that
we
can
review
those
and
determine
who
should
be
interviewed
for
this
position
and
then,
finally,
on
september
8th,
the
council
will
interview
the
finalists.
C
That
is
a
public
process,
so
those
interviews
of
course
in
this
case,
will
be
conducted
virtually,
but
the
public
will
be
able
to
watch
them
and
then,
on
september
22nd
the
new
council
member
will
be
sworn
in.
Of
course
again
that
will
happen
virtually
only
that
would
happen
in
person,
but
that
will
happen
virtually
so
we
we
have
gotten.
C
We
we
had
some
confusing
confusion
around
the
issue
of
how
a
vacancy
is
filled
when
one
is
created
on
the
city
council,
vacancies
that
occur
at
a
state
level,
congressional
level,
city,
county,
judicial,
you
name,
it
happen
all
the
time
and
they
all
have
a
totally
different
process
that
governs
how
it
works.
C
We
are
even
more
complicated
than
every
than
most
other
cities
in
the
state,
and
that
is
because
we
we
have
even
year
elections
and
we're
only
one
of
I
think
five
cities
in
the
state
that
have
even
year
elections,
so
so
our
city
attorney
did
provide
the
city
council
a
memo
back
in
march
with
his
opinion
about
how
the
vacancy
should
be
filled
but
has
been
able
to
get
some
further
clarity.
On
this.
C
C
G
Certainly-
and
thank
you,
madam
mayor,
for
that,
I
understand
and
have
fully
seen
the
confusion
that
has
permeated
this
issue
in
the
public
recently
and
quite
frankly,
I
have
to
take
a
fair
amount
of
responsibility
for
that.
Given
the
original
memo
that
I
prepared
for
council
regarding
what
some
of
the
possible
options
for
feeling
the
vacancy
on
city
council
would
be,
I
must
admit
that
at
that
point,
that
memo
was
prepared.
G
We
had
not
fully
vetted
the
intricacies
between
the
interplay
of
state
and
local
charter
law,
but
we
have
had
a
chance
to
do
that
now,
as
the
question
has
clearly
arisen,
and
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
could
provide
the
council
with
a
full,
definitive
opinion
on
this.
What
is,
understandably,
as
the
mayor
said,
a
complex
area
of
law
and
and
here's
what
we
can
say-
state
law,
north
carolina
law
provides
a
very
specific
procedure
for
feeling
a
council
vacancy,
and
there
are
timing
issues
involved.
G
It
is
somewhat
complex,
but
the
city
of
asheville's
charter
also
lays
out
a
procedure
for
filling
the
vacancy
and
those
two
rules
are
different.
So
there
is
a
very
clear
difference
between
what
the
state
law
prescribes
and
what
our
charter
prescribes
when
those
things
occur,
when
conflicts
between
local
charter
and
state
statute
occur
north
carolina
law,
general
statute,
168-3
tells
us
that
you
must
follow
the
rules
laid
out
in
the
charter.
The
charter
controls
when
there
is
an
inconsistency
or
a
conflict
between
those
two
things.
G
So
in
our
case,
because
the
conflict
exists
and
the
laws
are
different,
we
must
follow
the
law
set
out
in
our
city
charter.
So
what
does
that
tell
us?
It's
very
straightforward
and
short
section
7
of
the
city
charter
says,
and
I
quote,
any
vacancy
in
the
office
of
mayor
or
council
shall
be
filled
by
the
council
for
the
remainder
of
the
unexpired
term
from
the
qualified
electors
of
the
city
of
asheville.
So
what
that
means
is
that
you
are
required
obligated
by
our
city
charter,
to
fill
any
vacancy
by
appointment.
G
You
have
no
option
under
the
charter
to
have
a
special
election,
and
also
of
importance
is
the
fact
that
the
charter
has
the
same
rule
regardless
of
the
timing
of
the
vacancy.
Although
state
law
does
create
a
difference
between
the
process
prior
to
90
days
before
an
election
and
less
than
90
days
before
an
election
as.
G
Required
to
follow
our
local
charter
and
the
charter
makes
no
such
distinction.
Therefore,
it
is
my
opinion
at
this
point.
The
council
is
required
to
fill
the
vacancy
by
appointment
when
the
actual
vacancy
occurs
has
no
bearing
on
this
and
will
not
change
based
upon
the
language
of
the
charter,
and
this
all
again
stems
from
the
north
carolina
general
statute,
168-3,
specifically
section
b,
which
says
in
times
of
conflict
between
these
two
sets
of
laws.
G
You
shall
follow
the
charter,
so
the
vacancy
that
will
exist
when
council
member
kapoor
ends
his
term.
Irregardless
of
the
timing
of
that
will
require
this
council
to
fill
it
by
appointment
and
you
do
not
have
the
option
to
take
another
approach.
G
I
again
apologize
for
the
initial
confusion
that
my
original
unfully
developed
memo
created
both
for
council
or
for
any
members
of
the
public.
But
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
now
and
I
will
add
that
we
have,
in
my
office
myself
personally
spoken
just
within
the
past
24
hours
to
some
election
law
experts
with
the
north
carolina
school
government
on
the
issue,
as
well
as
the
local
chair
of
the
county
board
of
elections,
and
we
all
have
confirmed
the
same
understanding
regarding
the
applicability
of
this
law.
R
Brad
I
have.
I
have
one
question.
I
certainly
don't
understand
all
the
legalese
around
this,
but
when
I
spoke
with
you
earlier,
I
did
not
get
the
impression
from
you
that
it
was
that
cut
and
dry
as
you
are
putting
it
today,
and
I
don't
know
if
you
recall
exactly
how
you
explained
it
to
me,
but
there
were
some
possible
options
there
when
we
talked
where
there
now
seem
to
be
none.
G
I
I
agree
with
you,
council,
deborah
haynes,
when
we
discussed
the
matter
yesterday.
I
forget
exactly
what
time
I
was
still
in
the
process
of
fully
researching
the
issue
to
make
sure
that
we
had
at
least
as
clear
of
a
path
as
possible
to
explain
the
issue
to
the
council,
and
I
will
say
that
again,
north
carolina
election
law
is
somewhat
complex.
G
What
we
do
know
is
that
we
have
a
very
clear
statute
that
tells
us
what
you
do
when
there
is
the
there
are
conflicts,
and
there
are
in
that
statute
some
allowances
in
certain
cases
where,
for
instance,
the
council
may
be
able
to
elect
to
choose
either
the
state
statute
or
the
local
ordinance.
G
The
more
that
we
looked
into
the
issue
and
examined
that
and
discussed
it
with
some
of
the
other
experts,
the
more
it
became
very
clear
that
in
this
case,
the
inconsistency
between
the
two
was
clear
enough
to
where
we
were
able
to
determine
that
the
portion
of
the
statute
directing
us
to
follow
the
charter
is
what
seems
to
be
the
applicable
law,
and
I
do
apologize.
We
weren't
able
to
get
that
clarity
until
we
completed
our
research
later
in
the
day
yesterday,.
K
Brad
this
is
gwen,
so
I
sent
you
an
email
that
mountain
express
has
just
quoted:
katelyn
love
the
general
counsel
from
the
north
carolina
state
board
of
elections,
and
it
quotes
her
as
saying
I
assume
it's
a
her
from
what
I
can
tell
it
appears
the
city
may
be
able
to
choose
whether
they
follow
the
charter
or
the
general
statute.
K
Have
you
spoken
to
miss
love
like
how
does
she
get
to
that
conclusion
versus
yours?
I
just
I'm
not
I'm
not
questioning
you
as
an
attorney,
and
I
certainly
wouldn't
want
to
be
you,
but.
K
G
G
G
For
instance,
this
might
come
up
if
perhaps
the
local
charter
said
that
we
could
have
a
special
election
or
while
the
state
statute
said,
you
must
do
an
appointment
for
a
certain
amount
of
time.
Those
are
two
completely
different
procedures.
To
achieve
the
same
thing,
however,
I
believe
that,
in
my
opinion,
part
b
of
the
statute
is
actually
more
applicable
and
without
reading
the
whole
thing
I'll
read
just
one
line,
and
it
says
in
case
of
conflict
or
inconsistency
between
two
procedures:
the
charter
procedure,
shell
control.
G
Now
I
did
get
an
email
today
that
was
forwarded
to
me
from
that
was
originally
from
miss
love,
and
I
will
not
put
words
in
her
mouth,
but
I
I
will
note
that
she
specifically
noted
the
conflict
between
the
charter
and
the
state
statute,
our
local,
the
statute
that
we
have
both
sided
says
when
you
have
a
conflict,
it
is
the
charter.
I
think
the
difference
here
is
with
section
a
which
I
believe
is
what
she's
referring
to.
G
That
is
when
you
have
two
totally
different
procedures,
two
totally
different
paths
and
not
just
an
inconsistency
or
a
conflict.
What
we
have
here
is
two
laws
that
tell
you
you
must
do
the
same
thing.
The
city
council
must
appoint
someone.
It
says
that
in
the
state
law-
and
it
says
that
in
our
charter-
but
how
you
do
it
within
the
appointment
is
inconsistent
and
because
of
that,
I
believe
it's
section
b
because
of
the
clear
inconsistency
or
the
conflict
between
those
two
things
that
control
these
are
not
two
separate
processes.
G
It
is
the
same
process
with
an
inconsistency.
G
And
I
know
that
is
complex
and
I
I
can
say
again
I
do
plan
on
talking
to
miss
love
about
this
in
the
near
future.
We've
had
excellent
talks
about
election
law
issues
in
the
past,
but
but
I
did
want
to
again
mention
that
I
I
have
spoken
to
other
attorneys
throughout
the
state
who
are
experts
in
this
field,
as
well
as
our
county
chair
to
the
board
of
elections,
and
we
all
feel
very
comfortable
that
the
applicable
law
requires
this
council
to
follow
the
charter.
In
this
case,.
C
C
No
we're
not
we're
going
to
do
our
unconnected
business.
I'm
sorry.
We
have
one
item
of
unfinished
business.
This
is
a
public
hearing
that
we
heard
last
meeting,
but
we
have
to
vote
on
at
this
meeting.
So
this
is
a
vote
on
the
rezoning
of
property
located
at
99999,
cortland
avenue
and
999
woodside
place
at
99999
gudger.
S
E
I
moved
to
approve
the
rezoning
request
from
urban
village
to
residential
single
family
high
density
rs8,
thereby
assigning
a
zoning
designation
that
is
more
compatible
with
the
surrounding
properties
and
find
that
the
rest
is
reasonable,
is
in
the
public
interest
and
is
consistent
with
the
comprehensive
plan
and
other
adopted
plans
in
the
following
ways
assign
a
zoning
designation
that
is
consistent
with
the
future
land
use.
Designation.
R
C
Councilman
kapoor
hi
councilwoman,
mayfield,
hi,
councilwoman
smith,
I'm
councilman
young
and
myself
hi.
Okay,
thank
you.
We
have
five
public
hearings
on
the
agenda
tonight.
The
first
is
a
public
hearing
to
consider
an
amendment
to
a
previously
approved
conditional
zoning
at
137,
broad
street,
from
community
business,
one
to
community
business.
C
U
The
request
is
to
change
the
zoning
from
community
business,
one
conditional
zone
and
community
business
one
individually.
Those
are
two
separate
parcels
with
two
separate
zoning
designations
and
to
rezone
them
community
business.
One
conditional
zone
collectively
and
I'll
explain
that
a
little
bit
more
in
some
detail
in
just
a
moment.
U
U
This
also
requires
a
shift
in
the
property
line
that
intervening
property
line
between
the
two
parcels,
so
the
intervening
property
line
is
going
to
shift
a
little
bit
to
the
west.
The
two
properties
are
going
to
share
that
driveway
entrance
to
the
back
of
the
properties,
but
that
is
where
the
impact
on
135
broad
street
ends.
So
there
is
no
additional
construction,
no
changes
to
the
property
at
135,
broad
street.
The
new
construction
project
is
located
entirely
on
the
parcel
to
the
east
137
broad
street.
U
We
had
a
photo
ashley.
Is
there
a
photo
in
the
next?
So
this
is
not
the
presentation.
This
is
I'm
sorry,
maybe
just
cycle
through
it
and
see.
If
we
can
find
the
photo
there
we
go.
That
photo
is
the
existing
conditions
that
are
there
today.
You
can
see
the
135
broad
street
property
located
on
the
right.
That's
the
newer
mixed
use,
building
that
was
constructed
that
has
office
in
the
lower
level
and
three
residential
units
in
the
upper
level.
U
The
the
small
structure
to
the
left
is
the
pro
is
the
one
story:
commercial
building
located
at
137.
The
plan
would
be
to
demolish
that
structure
and
construct
that
new
three-story
mixed-use
building
on
that
site.
U
There
you
go
so
here
is
the
site
plan
for
the
property,
and
you
can
see
135
broad
street
that
you
can
see
the
outline
for
that
existing
building
and
the
surface
parking
at
the
rear.
The
new
construction
again
is
located
on
the
eastern
parcel
and
you
can
see
the
the
footprint
of
that
new
structure
which
takes
up
the
majority
of
the
property.
U
The
the
elevations
are
very
helpful
in
kind
of
getting
a
better
sense
of
the
character
and
scale
of
the
new
proposed
building.
If
you
look
at
the
the
image
in
the
middle
at
the
top
middle,
the
building
on
the
right
again
is
the
existing
two-story
mixed-use.
Building
the
building
on
the
left
is
the
new
proposed
three-story
building
the
ground
level
is
that
parking
structure
that
will
be
screened
from
the
street
or
any
passengers
by
on
the
street
would
not
really
see
the
parking.
U
Next
slide,
and
is
there
one
more
and
there
we
go
that
one
in
looking
at
all
rezoning
proposals,
we
reviewed
the
any
kind
of
any
resigning
proposal
for
consistency
with
the
city's
comprehensive
plan
and
we
always
refer
to
the
future
land
use
map.
So
in
this
particular
instance,
the
property
at
137
broad
street,
is
already
designated
traditional
corridor
and
in
the
comprehensive
plan
traditional
corridor
describes
a
compact
mixed-use
development
in
a
walkable
locationally,
efficient
area
and
with
this
property
being
just
blocks
from
downtown
and
a
well-established
neighborhood
that
has
easy
access
to
goods
services.
U
Employment,
transportation
connections
really
makes
it
a
prime
candidate
for
mixed
use
and
field
development,
and
let's
go
back
one
more
slide.
Please,
oh
sorry,
one
more,
and
this
is
the
list
of
b1
conditions.
That
is,
with
the
ordinance
that's
proposed
for
this
project
and
if
you
look
at
the
condition
number
four
it
the
applicant
also
is
committing
some
affordability
to
support
the
comprehensive
plan's
goals.
U
C
Okay,
if
not
we
do
have,
I
think
my
sheet
indicates.
We
do
have
some
people
that
are
signed
up
to
speak,
so
I
will
open
the
public
hearing
on
this
item.
Callers.
Just
to
remind
you,
you
will
first
hear
staff
inform
counsel
that
you're
next
to
speak.
Then
you'll
hear
an
automated
message,
letting
you
know
you
are
unmuted
and
live
in
the
meeting,
and
you
may
begin
speaking
after
the
automated
message
again,
if
you
accidentally
drop
out
of
the
speaker
queue.
C
T
T
I
feel
that
what
they're
trying
to
do
I
mean
I
feel
this
is
going
to
definitely
affect
our
homes,
our
property
values
of
our
homes
I
mean
lord
knows:
we
have
enough
traffic
running
through,
especially
with
with
madison
avenue
and
the
surrounding
area,
and
I
mean
we
have
enough
buildings
and
I'm
really
not
in
support
of
this
expansion.
T
I
really
I
am
not
because
I
have
a
grandchild,
and
you
know
it
is
bad
enough
when
they
start
doing
certain
constructions,
and
then
you
see
all
this
traffic
routing
through
your
neighborhood,
and
I
don't
feel
that
that's
that's
culpable
especially
for
those
of
us
that
have
small
children.
There
are
schools.
I
mean,
even
though
we're
in
a
situation
with
comet
19
and
understand
that,
but
and
then
you
have
flood
wreckers
who
just
recently
shut
down
completely.
A
N
Hi
there,
council
members,
I
just
want
to
acknowledge
some
things
that
y'all
released
last
last
council
meeting
that
whereas
black
people
have
been
systemically
excluded
from
historic
and
present
private
economic
development
and
community
investments
and
therefore
black
owned
businesses.
N
When
I
research
on
your
city's
website,
it
talks
about
black
laborers,
who
have
built
a
lot
of
these
homes,
and
so
again,
I'm
just
wondering
as
you're,
making
these
decisions
about
new
houses
being
brought
in
new
expansion,
disrupting
neighborhoods,
as
we
just
heard
from
the
previous
caller.
How
are
you
bringing
this
lens
of
reparations
that
you
don't
just
have
to
wait?
It's
wonderful
that
there's
going
to
be
a
commission
that
can
think
about
things
more
thoughtfully
and
y'all.
N
Don't
just
have
to
wait
to
be
making
choices,
to
be
aware
of
how
are
the
in
what
is
the
historical
impact
of
actions
that
people
in
your
seats
have
taken
in
the
past
and
how
is
that
playing
out
and
when
we
allow
new
development
to
come
in
and
we're
not
being
attentive
to
who's
going
to
be
living
and
not
living
in
that
new
development
and
whose
neighborhoods
are
going
to
be
disrupted,
that's
just
causing
more
harm.
Thank
you.
N
N
I
know
I
think
it's
a
little
disingenuous,
that
we
weren't
shown
the
residential
neighborhood
that
a
bus,
this
project
that
runs
west
on
broad
street,
because
it's
full
of
very,
very
small
bungalow
houses,
so
a
giant
three-story
building,
isn't
nothing,
and
I
think
that's
important
to
note.
N
N
But
I
don't
believe
that
the
project
can
be
approved
unless
they
are
actually
forced
to
rent
those
properties,
and
I
spoke
to
folks
at
development
and
they
didn't
seem
to
think
that
was
something
we
could
ask
to
do.
L
The
fact
that
you
aren't
considering
that
as
you're
adding
new
dwelling
units
and
yet
have
acknowledged
that
it
is
urban
renewal
and
development
that
has
contributed
to
the
current
situation
is
disingenuous.
I
think,
in
addition
to
that,
I
would
like
to
comment
on
some
of
mayor
esther's
previous
statements.
Earlier
this
evening.
You
indicated
mayor
that
there
needs
to
be
more
community
involvement.
We
need
to
not
demand,
but
to
ask
questions.
L
I
would
like
to
point
out
that
at
several
of
these
previous
council
members,
you
have
had
callers
who
have
asked
very
direct
questions.
You
have
indicated
that
they
would
be
answered
at
the
end
of
the
meeting
or
at
the
end
of
that
item,
and
yet
none
of
those
callers
questions
have
ever
been
answered.
L
I
support
you
taking
action
in
regards
to
your
all
of
your
future
construction
approvals,
to
demand
that
the
reparations
resolution
is
immediately
implemented.
Put
your
money
and
your
approvals
where
your
mouth
is.
Thank
you.
C
U
The
developers
architect,
mr
derrick,
I
believe,
is
available
to
and
would
like
to
address,
counsel.
Okay.
N
Okay,
well,
I
am
on
the
phone,
so
I'm
assuming
you
can
hear
me.
N
It
seemed
like
the
first
person
ruth
smith,
she
had
concerned
with
the
the
traffic
and
the
congestion,
and
I
know
that
the
developer
plans
to
lease
parking
space
so
there's
no
on-street
parking
plan
for
the
project,
so
there
wouldn't
be
any
additional
traffic
or
cars
parking
on
the
street.
D
And
and
you
can
in
the
135
building,
that's
already.
N
Has
minimized
any
any
parking
impact
on
the
site,
so
therefore,
people
aren't
driving
up
to
the
park
in
the
back
parking
lot
right
now,
at
least
the
employees
that
are
working
there.
As
far
as
the.
N
D
N
That
you
had
to
essentially
have
the
residential
for
this
to
get
approved.
It
was
just
that
the
originally
the
owner
wanted
to
develop.
D
E
This
is
julie,
I
have
a
question
for
you:
can
you
perhaps
get
in
touch
with
the
owner
or
the
building
manager
or
whoever
you
would
get
in
touch
with
right
now
and
ask
if
those
rent
units
in
the
existing
building
are
rented
the
residential
units?
If
those
are
written
and
while
you're
doing
that,
I
I'll
ask
you.
I've
got
a
couple
questions
for
brad.
I
don't
want
to
jump
the
gun
on
if
there's
anybody
else
to
present,
but
I
do
have
some
questions
related
to
that.
G
Thank
you,
councilwoman
mayfield.
It
is
an
interesting
question
and
what
we
always
have
to
remember
in
these
cases
is
that,
with
regard
to
zoning,
we
are
allowed
to
place
zoning
restrictions
on
the
use
of
property,
but
we
cannot
go
so
far
as
to
zone
the
ownership
of
property
and
oftentimes.
We
start
run
very.
We
run
very
close
with
these
types
of
restrictions
to
that
particular
aspect.
G
Now,
what
I
can
say
is
that
certainly
we
have
had
several
situations
in
front
of
this
council
where
a
proposed
development
had
a
part
of
its
conditions
or
its
approved
plan
that
the
unit
would
be
rental,
but
I
do
not
believe
that
in
most
cases
the
council
would
have
the
authority
to
limit
the
homes
without
agreement
of
the
applicant
to
rental
only
in
a
way
that
would
not
be
able
to
change
in
the
future.
E
K
Brad,
this
is
gwen
so
to
the
question
of
that,
I
think
miss
fisher
asked.
K
When
you
have
this
multi-use,
where
you
you
know
from
a
zoning
perspective,
you've
asked
you
know
they
want
commercial
and
residential.
Can
you
force
them
to
use
the
residential
or
is
it?
Is
it
really
just
you
couldn't
use
the
whole
thing
for
commercial
or
you
couldn't
use
the
whole
thing
for
residential?
K
I
I
I'm
trying
to
understand,
miss
fisher's
question
and
I
think
that's
what
she
was
asking.
G
Yes,
thank
you
vice
mayor.
I
think
the
answer
to
that
is
that
we
are
able
to
delineate
the
percentage
to
a
certain
extent
of
a
mixed
use.
If
someone
were
to
say
that
there
was
going
to
be
both
residential
and
commercial
component,
I
don't
think
it
would
be
enough
to
turn
the
entire
thing
into
commercial
and
then
have
someone
living
in
a
small
corner
somewhere.
G
For
instance,
I
believe
that
we
do
have
the
capacity
so
long
as
it's
consistent
with
our
approved
area
plans
to
prescribe,
to
a
certain
extent,
the
percentage
requirements
or
limitations
on
on
those
individual
elements.
K
G
An
easier
question
to
answer-
and
I
think
the
answer
is,
we
can't
force
someone
to
live
there,
but
we
can
preclude
the
residential
space
from
being
used
as
a
different
type
of
use.
E
Well,
I
would
phrase
it
a
little
bit
differently.
Not
can
we
force
somebody
to
live
there,
which
makes
me
feel
like
we
pull
somebody
off
the
street
and
shove
them
in
there
and
say
hey
you
must
live
here.
I
I
think
what
we're
saying
is:
can
we
force
the
owner,
put
those
units
up
for
rent
and
ensure
that
they're
filled,
and
you
know
all
of
that?
Can
we
force
the
owner
to
actually
rent
them
as
residential
units.
E
G
G
They
would
not
have
the
right
to
use
those
as
commercial,
but
they
would
not
be
in
zoning
violation
if
those
units
weren't
occupied
residentially.
E
Okay,
I
have
another
question:
if
we're
done
with
that
particular
topic
that
that
gets
to
the
urban
renewal
question
so
stan.
This
is
probably
a
question
for
you.
This
I'm
not
aware
that
the
city
actually
ever
owned.
This
parcel
of
land
is
that
is
that
right?
So
if
we
didn't
the
city
never
acquired,
this
through
urban
renewal
is
that
is
that.
O
U
To
the
best
of
my
knowledge,
this
has
been
feast
simple,
privately
owned
property
for
a
long
time.
I
I
don't
believe
the
city
has
ever
owned
this
property.
E
Okay,
all
right
so
we're
not.
We
don't
have
a
situation
directly
here
where
we
took
property
from
communities
of
color
people
of
color,
and
this
is
an
opportunity
for
us
to
make
that
property
available,
as
I
think
we're,
as
I
think
we
want
to
do
so
now.
My
question
is-
and
you
may
not
be
able
to
answer
this,
but
how
you
know
to
the
questions
that
that
get
asked
as
we're
looking
at
private
development
around
the
city.
E
What
what
does
a
reparation
lens
look
like
for
us
in
terms
of
reasoning
in
terms
of
just
approving
developments,
things
like
that
and
again.
Maybe
this
is
very
new.
This
reparations
thing.
Maybe
we
don't
know
the
answer
to
that
yet.
But
but
what
do
you
have
any
thoughts
about
that.
C
What
does
that
look
like
is
gonna
have
to
be
developed
by
I
mean,
I
think
what
the
resolution
calls
for
is
the
creation
of
a
commission
to
look
at
that,
and
I
would
imagine
one
of
the
steps
in
that
is
going
to
be.
You
know,
cataloging
all
the
property
in
the
city
and
determining
whether
it
was
once
property
that
that
was
seized
under
urban
renewal
or
some
other
kind
of
project.
So
I'm
not
sure
I
mean
I
don't
know
it's
terribly
fair
to
ask
that
I
mean
it
seems
like
I'm
not.
E
I'm
asking
a
different
question,
which
is
that,
when
we're
dealing
with
totally
private
development
land
that
has
never
been
owned
by
the
city
land,
that
has
never
been
condemned
by
the
city
that
where
the
city
has
had
no
ownership,
it
has
no
connection
to
urban
rural
at
all
is
do
do
we
is
there
even
any
leeway
to
apply
a
reparations
lens
to
private
development?
That's
happening
on
private
property
that
the
city
has
no
never
has
never
had
any
ownership.
That's
kind
of
my
question
I
mean
you
could
easily.
E
C
That's
somewhat
subject
to
you
know
in
what
do
you
consider
to
be
reparations
in
the
context
of
zoning,
because
that
would
be
the
city's
tool
right?
That's
what
we
have
authority,
and
so
we
already
have
standards
around
affordable,
housing
and,
and
we
have
imposed
other
standards,
minimum
wage
for
commercial
developments
and
a
living
wage.
We
have
done
other
things
so
to
me
that
would
be
for
us
to
develop
in
terms
of
what
we
think
that
looks
like
with
the
reparations
lens
placed
on
private
development
of
private
land
that
that
isn't.
D
C
U
I
can
just
offer
that
our
planning
and
zoning
commission
has
raised
the
same
question
and
has
asked
to
have
a
conversation,
and
that
is
tentatively
scheduled
for
the
september,
their
regular
meeting
in
september,
and
so
staff
is
currently
trying
to
put
together
some
information
for
for
a
discussion
on
this
exact
subject
in
september.
So
I
think
you'll
be
seeing
more
information
coming
from
our
department
in
the
relatively
near
future,
with
some
ideas.
E
And
I
just
will
remind
us
all
and
or
tell
folks
who
weren't
here
when
this
came
up
months
ago.
For
the
first
time,
the
original
proposal
did
not
have
any
affordable
units
in
in
the
development
and
at
at
council's
request,
one
was
added
at
no
cost
to
the
city,
no,
no
housing
trust
fund,
no,
no,
no
luigi
tax
credit,
no
nothing.
R
D
N
Done
some
additional
finishing
on
the
interior
of
the
units-
and
this
is
at
135
broad
street
and
had
planned
to
print
those
as
finished
furnace
units
and
had
them
all
furnished
and
ready
to
go.
And
then
at
the
time
that
he
was.
N
About
and
it
became
an
issue
as
to
showing
the
units
just
having
the
personal
contact
and
then
subsequently
just
hasn't,
pursued
showing
them
just
due
to
kind
of
the
trendy
up
and
down
trend
right
now
with
the
virus.
But
the
owner
does
plan
to.
C
Okay,
council,
if
there
aren't
any
other
questions
or
comments
again
due
to
the
emergency
requirements
for
virtual
meetings
that
the
legislature
has
imposed,
we
can't
actually
vote
on
this
item
tonight.
But
what
we
do
have
to
vote
on
is
a
motion
to
recess
the
public
hearing,
to
consider
an
amendment
to
a
previously
approved
conditional
zoning
at
137,
broad
street,
from
community
business,
one
to
community
business.
One
slash
conditional
zone
to
include
an
adjacent
parcel
for
the
construction
of
a
new
mixed-use
building
until
july
30th.
So
can
I
have
a
motion
to
do
just
that.
R
C
Councilman
kapoor
aye
councilwoman,
mayfield,
aye,
councilwoman
smith,
aye,
councilman,
young
and
myself
hi.
Okay.
The
next
item
on
the
public
hearing
agenda
is
to
be
continued
to
august
25th.
Do
I
have
a
motion
to
continue
this
item
to
august
25th
and
this
is
the
amendment
to
the
udo
to
update
open
space
requirements.
This.
C
D
C
Councilman
kapoor
aye
councilwoman
mayfield
aye,
with
the
woman
smith
I
councilman
young
and
myself,
okay.
The
next
is
a
public
hearing
to
solicit
comments
for
the
community
development
block,
grant
and
home
investment
partnership
act,
funds,
annual
action
plan
for
fiscal
year,
20
20,
20,
21
and
community
development
director
paul
d'angelo
is
here
to
present
this
item.
W
A
little
background.
Community
development
staff,
in
coordination
with
housing
and
community
development
has
about
1.1
million
dollars
in
community
development,
block
grant
funds
and
about
1.4
million
dollars
in
home
funds
available
for
fiscal
year,
beginning
july,
1st
2021
working
with
housing
and
community
development
committee
and
city
staff,
we've
met
made
recommendations
for
the
use
of
these
cdbg
dollars,
which
must
be
used
for
housing.
C
Okay,
if
not
we'll
open
the
public
hearing
again
callers,
you
will
first
hear
the
staff
informed
counsel
that
you're
next
to
speak,
then
you'll
hear
an
automated
message,
letting
you
know
you're
unmuted
and
live
in
the
meeting.
You
may
begin
speaking
after
the
automated
message,
if
you
accidentally
drop
out
of
the
speaker,
queue
just
redial
the
number
and
meeting
code,
please
press
star
three
to
rejoin
the
speaker.
Queue
and
you'll
have
three
minutes
to
speak.
N
However,
the
pressure
around
the
cbd
decision
isn't
new,
because
every
year
we
have
less
funding
in
this
pool
than
the
request
made.
This
is
a
time
for
council
to
move
towards
investing
in
community
to
address
the
demands
of
intergenerational
leadership,
including
black
asheville
demands
collective.
N
Our
community
could
be
immediately
and
directly
getting
real
about
reparations
about
what
keeps
communities
safe
like
investing
in
the
black
business
community
that
lacked
full
funding
in
this
process
and
by
keeping
our
community
health
and
well
with
the
decision
before
you
today.
Please
consider
funding
the
gap
of
requests
once
following
up
to
ensure
all
funding
opportunities
aren't
otherwise
available.
For
these
partners,
and
thank
you
for
your
consideration.
A
C
A
C
E
E
Many
programs
on
this
list,
perhaps
even
most
that
do
get
at
exactly
that,
and
particularly,
I
would
point
out
in
terms
of
black
owned
businesses,
the
mountain
biz
works,
carolina,
small
business
development
fund
and
the
eagle
market
street
development
corporation
ida
are
all
aimed
at
helping
to
create
and
well
helping
to
create
and
and
fund
and
get
going
small
businesses
particularly
owned
by
people
of
color.
E
So
there
is
a
lot
here
that
you
don't
have
the
detail
of
these
applications,
but
this
is
in
my
mind,
this
is
a
lot
of
what
reparations
look
like.
This
is
all
federal
money.
We
need
to
start
putting
some
of
our
own
money
toward
it,
but
this
is
this
is
what
it
looks
like.
So
I
make
that
motion.
C
H
C
Myself:
hi;
okay,
thank
you!
Paul.
Okay.
Moving
on
to
public
hearing
item
d,
a
public
hearing
to
consider
conditionally
resenting
property
located
at
61
innovation
derived
from
commercial
industrial
district,
2
institutional
district
conditional
zone,
along
with
a
change
in
the
future
plan,
future
land
use
map
from
industrial
manufacturing
to
employment,
anchor
institution
center
and
again
planner.
Shannon
tuck
is
here
to
present
on
this
item.
U
Thank
you
again,
mayor
members
of
council.
The
request
before
you
is
a
conditional
zoning
request
for
the
property
located
at
61
innovation
drive
and
the
request
is
to
change
the
zoning
designation
of
the
property
highlighted
on
your
screen
from
commercial
industrial,
which
is
the
area
that
is
colored
in
light
blue
to
institutional
conditional
zone.
U
Students
and
the
property
has
been
developed
in
phases
initially
with
a
level
one
that
established
the
school
using
temporary
classroom
buildings
and
then,
more
recently
in
2018,
the
school
submitted
a
level
two
application
that
would
be
constructed
in
two
phases
and
the
first
phase
was
completed
and
included
the
construction
of
the
permanent
school
building,
which
you
see,
sort
of
in
the
middle
of
your
screen.
U
Next
slide,
please,
you
may
recall
my
earlier
slide
with
the
zoning
map
and
that
the
property
on
the
north
side
of
sardis
road
was
is
all
zoned
commercial,
industrial,
the
majority
of
the
property
on
the
south
side
of
hardest
road
is
zoned
industrial,
so
the
future
land
use
map.
I
think
just
combined
those
two
designations
and
created
a
new
land
use
designation
known
as
industrial
slash
manufacturing.
U
U
This
is
one
of
the
site
plans
that
was
included
in
your
packet
and
it
basically
shows
the
existing
conditions
on
the
property
today,
so
you
can
see
the
the
circulation
patterns,
the
new
permanent
school
facility
and
the
temporary
structures
that
are
located
between
the
permanent
building
and
the
road.
Now
not
all
of
those
are
classroom
buildings.
Just
a
few
are
classroom
buildings
and
the
others
are
other
temporary
structures
used
for
other
purposes
next
slide.
U
This
is
the
site
plan
showing
the
full
build
out
for
the
property,
and
you
can
see
those
additions
that
would
be
added
to
the
building.
The
permanent
school
building
to
the
north
and
full
build
out
would
be
78
000
square
feet,
the
other
site
improvements,
including
the
off
street
parking,
some
additional
circulation
and
for
buses,
etc,
would
be
completed
and,
most
importantly,
the
removal
of
those
temporary
classroom
buildings
would
be
also
part
of
full
build
out
with
the
new
additions.
U
Next
slide,
so
included
in
the
b1
conditions
is
condition
number
seven.
The
school
has
voluntarily
agreed
to
offer
a
greenway
easement
along
harmony,
creek,
and
this
helps
support
the
comprehensive
or
the
consistency
with
the
comprehensive
plan
and
that
it
provides
for
future
transportation
connections
and
helps
connect
schools
to
to
our
greenway
system
to
be
able
to
provide
safe
routes
to
schools.
So
it's
another
another
goal
in
our
comprehensive
plan.
U
A
C
Mr
moffat,
I
see
in
the
corner.
Okay,
would
you
like
to
say
anything
before
we
open
the
public
comment.
C
Okay,
thank
you
folks.
Unless
there's
any
questions
or
comments
again
following
our
procedures,
I'll
need
a
motion
and
a
second
to
recess.
The
public
hearing
to
consider
conditionally
rezoning
property
located
at
61
innovation
drive
from
commercial
industrial
district
to
institutional
district
conditional
zone,
along
with
the
change
in
the
future
land
use
map
from
industrial
manufacturing
to
employment,
anchor
institution
center
until
july,
30th
2020..
Do
I
have
a
motion.
K
R
C
C
Council
we
are
scheduled
to
have
a
break
at
7
30..
The
next
item
on
our
agenda
is
to
begin
the
hearing
on
the
budget.
Do
do
you
want
to
take
a
quick
break
right
now
before
we
start
that
or
do
you
want
to
get
that
underway
and
then
break?
C
Why
don't
we
do
a
quick,
quick
break
before
we
start
that?
How
about
10
minutes
is
that
good,
so
back
at
7,
20
or
so
7
20?
Actually
I
shouldn't
say-
or
so
this
is
virtual,
so.
C
Oh,
what
do
we
do
during
the?
I
don't
think
we
hang
up.
I
think
I
think
dan
just
takes
it,
takes
it
and
says:
there's
a
break.
So,
okay,
thanks:
okay,
okay,
thanks.
C
Okay,
welcome
back
from
the
break
council
and
viewers
out
there
tonight
we
are
to
our
last
public
hearing
item,
which
is
a
hearing
on
the
fiscal
year,
2021
annual
operating
budget,
and
we
are
going
to
hear
a
presentation
first
from
the
assistant
finance
director,
tony
mcdowell,.
S
Okay,
good
evening,
mayor
and
city
council,
tony
mcdowell
assistant
finance
director,
we
do
have
a
few
slides.
We
want
to
go
over
with
you
all
this
evening
before
we
turn
it
back
over
over
to
you
all
to
kick
off
the
public
hearing,
just
a
quick
overview.
What
we're
going
to
cover
in
the
slides
we're
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
where
we've
been
with
the
budget
process,
where
we're
at
tonight
and
where
we're
going
over
the
next
few
months,
we're
going
to
provide
you
all
with
some
detail
in
the
three-month
budget.
S
That's
proposed
for
adoption
this
this
coming
thursday
on
july
30th
and
then
talk
a
little
bit
about
what
the
next
steps
are
after
july
30th
regarding
the
community
engagement
that
the
city
manager
has
already
talked
about
earlier
tonight
and
tying
that
into
the
budget
next
slide.
S
So
as
we
always
like
to
do
with
these
budget
presentations,
we're
going
to
start
with
some
key
takeaways,
and
so
there's
really
three
things
tonight.
We
want
to
focus
on.
One
is
reminding
everyone
that
we're
operating
in
a
time
of
unprecedented
uncertainty,
not
only
financially
because
of
covet
19,
but
organizational
organizationally
and
community
wide
as
well.
S
S
It
will
be
an
annual
budget,
that's
adopted,
but
again
only
only
three
months
of
funding
will
be
provided
to
each
department
and
then
finally,
on
september
22nd,
we
will
come
back
to
you
all
with
a
budget
amendment
based
on
the
community
input
that
the
city
manager
receives
over
the
next
few
months,
that
will
fund
that
will
fully
fund
departments
for
the
remainder
of
fiscal
year.
2021
next
slide.
So
before
we
get
into
the
where
we've
been
and
where
we're
at
slides.
S
We
want
to
take
just
a
moment
to
talk
about,
to
give
you
all
a
brief
financial
update.
It's
been
a
few
months
since
we've
talked
to
you
all
about
where
we're
at
financially
and
not
a
whole
lot's
changed.
We
we're
we're
still
dealing
with
a
lot
of
uncertainty,
around
covert,
coveted
19
and
how
it's
going
to
impact
our
finances
moving
forward.
S
We
have
gotten
a
couple
more
months
of
sales
tax
information,
since
we
last
talked
to
you
all
and
sales
taxes
were
down
at
an
unprecedented
rate.
We
did
do
slightly
better
than
we
had
forecasted,
so
that
was
that
was
good
news,
but
we
still
believe
that
we
will
need
to
tap
into
our
fund
balance
to
cover
operating
costs,
both
in
the
year
that
just
ended
fy20,
as
well
as
the
fiscal
year
that
we're
just
starting
fy21
and
that's
not
ideal.
S
S
S
We
continued
to
talk
about
those
additional
investments,
all
the
way
up
until
the
the
march
13th
council
retreat,
and
it
was
really
in
the
week
after
that
that
we
that
we
began
to
see
the
impact
of
covet
19
and
the
and
the
tremendous
impact
it's
going
to
have
on
our
finances,
not
only
for
the
year
that
just
ended,
but
for
the
year
that
we're
planning
for
as
well.
So
we
came
back
to
you
all
on
april
14th,
with
a
revised
financial
plan.
S
One
was
to
approve
an
interim
budget
and
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
that
on
the
next
slide.
It
was
a
one-month
interim
budget
that
got
us
from
july
1st
until
the
end
of
this
month
july,
31st
and
council.
Also
at
that
june
23rd
meeting
directed
staff
to
prepare
an
annual
budget
that
would
provide
departments
with
three
months
worth
of
funding,
as
the
community
engagement
process
went
on
so
that
june,
23rd
action
to
adopt
an
interim
budget
interim
budgets
are
allowed
under
under
north
carolina
general
statutes.
S
It
only
allows
us
to
adopt
a
budget
basically
to
keep
the
lights
on,
to
pay
salaries,
to
pay
debt
service
expenses
and
to
pay
to
pay
usual
ordinary
operating
expenses,
the
key
provision
in
the
interim
budgets,
or
that
they
do
they
do
not
allow
us
to
addre
to
adopt
a
property
tax
rate.
The
property
tax
rate
can
only
be
adopted
as
a
part
of
the
annual
budget
ordinance
and
there's
a
separate
state
state
statute
that
requires
that
that
tax
rate
be
adopted
by
august
1st.
S
So
that
brings
us
to
where
we're
at
tonight,
which
is
essentially,
there
is
no
alternative
provision
for
adopting
a
tax
rate,
a
property
tax
rate
with
an
interim
budget,
and
so
we're
planning
to
move
ahead
with
adoption
of
a
full
annual
budget.
On
june
30th
on
july
30th,
I'm
sorry
so
tonight
it's
a
public
hearing,
as
I
mentioned,
you
all
will
receive
public
comment
on
the
budget
and
then
on
this
coming
thursday
july
30th.
S
You
will
adopt
the
annual
budget
and
each
department
will
again
only
receive
three
months
worth
of
funding
through
the
end
of
september.
S
So
what
does
that
three-month
budget
look
like?
It
essentially
includes
funding
for
departments
to
meet
their
spending
and
contractual
obligations
through
the
through
the
month
of
september
and
in
general.
That
means
each
department's
receiving
about
25
of
their
budgeted
expenses,
since
the
three-month
period
will
cover
about
one-fourth
of
our
fiscal
year.
So
for
things
like
salary
and
wages,
fringe
benefits
supplies,
fuel
fleet
maintenance,
those
kinds
of
things
departments
are
getting
25
of
their
budgets.
S
If
you
all
look
at
the
budget
ordinance,
that's
attached
to
the
staff
report
tonight,
you'll
see
that
the
transit
budget
is
much
more
than
25
and
that's
because
we
have
to
go
ahead
and
fully
enter
into
the
contract,
with
ratb
ratp
dev
to
provide
transit
services
for
the
entire
for
the
entire
year.
So
we
need
that
entire
budget
available
to
enter
into
that
contract
next
slide.
S
So
here's
a
quick
look
at
the
numbers
to
give
you
all
a
sense
of
what
the
three-month
budgets
look
like.
So
in
the
general
fund,
the
total
budget
that's
adopted
for
the
year
is
about
134.7
million
departments
are
getting
during
this
three-month
period
about
29.9
million
dollars
to
operate.
So
that's
about
22
percent
of
the
overall
general
fund
budget,
which
is
similar
to
the
25
percent.
That
was
on
the
previous
slide,
as
you'll
see.
S
Like
I
pointed
out
in
transit,
we
do
have
to
go
ahead
and
adopt
a
significant
part
of
that
fund
budget
to
allow
us
to
go
ahead
and
enter
into
the
contract
for
operations,
and
so,
if
you
notice
that
we're
at
91
on
that
budget
and
then
some
of
the
other
enterprise
funds
underneath
the
general
fund
we're
also
slightly
above
25
and
finally
I'll
point
out
on
this
slide.
S
We
are
moving
ahead
with
adopting
the
full
capital
budget
for
the
year,
so
the
general
capital
project
fund,
as
well
as
all
the
enterprise
capital
project
funds,
will
be
adopted
at
100
in
the
ordinance
that
you
all
be
approving
on
thursday.
S
So
where
are
we
going
from
here?
So
after
the
budget's
adopted
on
july
30th,
as
the
city
manager
mentioned,
we
will
be
continuing
with
the
community
engagement
during
the
july
to
september
period
and
gathering
input.
That
then
will
be
used
to
come
back
on
september,
22nd
22nd
with
a
budget
amendment
that
will
fully
fund
all
department
budgets
for
the
entire
fiscal
year.
S
Okay,
so
back
to
the
key
takeaways
again
just
a
reminder
that
we
again
are
operating
in
a
time
of
unprecedented
uncertainty
that
the
the
budget
that's
before
council
on
july,
30th
will
only
provide
three
months
worth
of
funding,
even
though
it's
an
annual
budget
ordinance
that
allows
us
to
move
ahead
with
setting
the
property
tax
rate
departments
will
only
see
receive
three
months
worth
of
funding
during
that
time
and
that
we
will
be
back
to
you
all
at
the
end
of
september
with
the
with
the
budget
amendment.
S
So
with
that
those
are
all
the
slides.
We
have
happy
to
answer
any
questions
or
turn
it
back
to
you
all
to
proceed
with
the
public
hearing.
C
The
council,
anybody
have
any
questions.
Tony
yeah.
I
Yeah
mayor
I've
got
two
for
tony
tony
first
question
is
in
terms
of
council's
ability
to
amend
the
budget
at
any
time
during
the
year.
Is
there
is
there
any
restrictions
in
terms
of
like
amending
the
budget?
Once
a
budget
is
passed.
I
S
That's
a
great
question:
I
think
you
know
we're
operating
in
kind
of
an
unprecedented
territory
here
I
I
would
assume
that
if
we
hit
the
end
of
september
and
and
there's
not
a
an
agreement
on
funding
for
a
full
year's
budget-
that
we
probably
would
extend
it
for
another
month
or
three
months
and
do
an
amendment
that
would
give
departments
enough
funding
to
continue
on
if
we
needed
additional
time.
Y
S
That
departments
have
departments
would
begin
to
overspend
the
budget,
which
would
be
a
violation
of
the
budget
ordinance,
and
so
we
would
have
to
come
back
at
some
point
and,
like
I
said
again,
amend
the
budget
to
provide
departments
more
funding
to
operate,
whether
it
be
a
one
month,
amendment
or
three
month
or
six
month
or
whatever.
Council
was
comfortable
with.
K
And,
and
to
follow
up
on
that,
if
we
didn't
have
consensus
to
to
move
forward
on
a
month-to-month
basis,
what
would
happen?
Would
it
be
like
the
federal
the
federal
situation
where,
in
effect,
you
have
to
stop
operating
or
you
furlough
people.
S
That's
yeah,
that's
a
great
question
and
I
said:
we've
never
operated
in
this
kind
of
environment
before
I
think
we
would
have
to
evaluate
that
when
we
got
to
that
point
and
consult
with
folks
at
the
school
of
government
and
see
what
our
options
were.
E
A
couple
questions
tony:
let's
see
so
we're
adopting
a
full
year
budget,
but
we're
only
allocating
out
three
year,
three
months
worth
of
funding
to
departments.
Where
is
all
the
rest
of
that
money
going?
Is
it?
Is
it
like
getting
put
into
the
pencil
budget
for
the
planning
department
or
something
or
where?
Where
is
it
going.
S
Yeah,
that's
a
great
question,
so
we
have
in
the
general
fund
at
least
we
have
something
called
non-departmental,
which
is
a
collection
of
accounts
where
we
pay
certain
things
that
aren't
related
to
any
specific
departmental
budget,
and
so
we
have
all
the
the
money.
I
think
it's.
S
I
can't
remember
on
that
slide
somewhere
in
the
neighborhood
of
100
million
dollars,
that's
sitting
in
that
account
right
now,
and
so,
when
you
all,
when
we
come
back
in
september
to
do
the
budget
amendment,
we
would
take
the
money
out
of
that
account
and
allocate
it
out
to
all
the
departments
similar
thing
in
all
the
enterprise
funds.
We
have
an
account
that
we
have
basically
three-fourths
of
the
budget
sitting
in
those
accounts
waiting
to
be
allocated
out
once
you
all
approve
that.
E
E
We
could
extend
the
the
budget,
we
could
sort
of
allocate
another
month
or
two
or
more
funding,
maybe
if,
if
again,
we
weren't
able
to
do
that
for
whatever
reason-
and
I
think
that
the
key
thing
here
is-
and
somebody
remind
me
of
these
dates,
so
this
budget
ordinance
is
coming
back
to
us
on
what
what
date
september
20
something.
E
E
Theoretically,
we
might
not
be
able
to
agree
on
a
budget
if,
if
for
whatever
reason
that
were
to
happen,
sounds
like
maybe
it's
not,
but
if
that
were
to
happen,
tony
would
would
sort
of
limping
along
at
that
point
either
doing
you
know
like
month
by
month
or
not
allocating
money
out.
Would
that
impact
things
like
our
bond
rating
or
our?
Would
that
impact
kind
of
bigger
things
that
we
care
about
as
a
city.
S
I
I
think
potentially
yes,
I
think
it
could,
I
think,
organizationally
internally.
I
think
it
begins
to
create
some
challenges
for
us
doing
contracts
and
things
like
that.
We've
seen
that
with
the
interim
budget
here
just
for
the
month
of
july
and
some
of
the
challenges
we've
had
working
with
departments
to
make
sure
they
have
enough
money
to
to
get
through
july.
So
it
definitely
would
create
some
challenges.
It
might
potentially
impact
bond
rating
there's
a
lot
of
factors
that
go
into
the
bond
rating,
and
so
how
rating
agencies
would
look
at
this
particular
factor.
C
Just
to
it
sounds
to
me,
like
you
know,
we
this.
This
is
unprecedented.
We
have
never
done
this
before
with
the
budget
process.
We've
always
adopted
a
budget
by
the
end
of
june,
because
our
fiscal
year
starts
july,
1,
like
every
city
in
north
carolina,
and
we,
as
I
think
tony
just
explained.
What
we're
running
into
here
is
our
statutory
obligation
to
technically
adopt
a
property
tax
rate
which
isn't
changing
and
a
provide.
C
You
know
that
was
an
interesting
chart.
You
showed
about
the
percentages
of
what
we
are
having
to
fund
already
and
we
do
have
debt
obligations
on
capital
projects
and
other
things
that
just
can't
stop
so
well.
Obviously,
a
lot
of
things
can't
stop,
but
so
we're
so
to
so.
What
we
have
on
the
agenda
tonight
to
be
clear
is
the
adoption
of
a
full
year
budget.
This
is
the
this
is
the
full
budget,
but
the
what
the
nuance
is
is
that
we're
only
allocating
the
funds
from
that
adoption
for
the
first
quarter.
C
And
I
think
the
question
that
I'm
hearing
is
what
happens
if
we're
not
able
to
come
to
a
decision
in
late
september
about
allocating
more
money
from
the
annual
budget
that
we've
already
adopted.
And
I
think
that's
a
good
question,
because
you
know
I
I'm
I.
C
I
am
concerned
that
we're
creating
a
community
expectation
that
it
will
be
possible
to
to
radically
change
how
how
and
what
we're
doing
in
terms
of
funding
with
the
police
department
by
the
end
of
september
and
I'm
what
I'm
hearing
from
the
city
manager's
timeline
is
that
it
may
be
possible
to
come
up
with
a
road
map
or
some
concepts
or
some
movement
in
that
direction,
but
that
it's
not
likely
that
we're
going
to
be
cut.
C
I'm
curious,
I
I
and
I'm
just
throwing
this
out
there,
because
we're
going
to
hear
from
a
whole
bunch
of
folks
that
have
signed
up
to
speak
tonight.
So
I
look
forward
to
hearing
hearing
from
them
but
other
than
within
the
police
department.
I'm
not
hearing
any
concerns
about
a
full
year,
our
full
funding
for
the
year
across
the
board
in
terms
of
transit
and
public
works
and
planning,
and
all
the
other
operations
that
the
city,
the
city
does.
K
And
can
I
just
point
another
thing
out:
you
know
when
we
were
talking
about
it.
We
may
have
an
e
number
of
council
members.
You
know
we
haven't.
K
We
also
may
not
get
to
a
consensus
by
september
22nd
on
vj's
replacement,
so
there's
no
guarantee
that
we
could
that
we
will
have
our
replace
the
vj's
replacement
by
that
timeline,
because
the
timeline
itself
is
a
little
tight
and
I
would
hope
that
all
the
council
members
would
agree
that
it
would
be
nice
if
we
weren't
terribly
split
on
who
that
replacement
was.
So.
K
I
think
you
know
we
as
a
council
are
going
to
have
a
lot
of
work
to
come
up
with
a
candidate
that
not
just
the
majority,
but
you
know
a
lot
of
people
can
work
with
coming
up.
So
I
I
don't
want
to
rest
on
the
fact
that
we
may
we
may
have
seven
members
by
then
I
I'm
I'm
a
little
anxious
that
we
won't.
So
I
I
think
to
count
on
that.
Now
and
again
I
I
guess
I
just
wanna-
I
mean
I
guess
I've
been
concerned
about
this
whole
issue.
K
I
you
know
when
the
federal
government
you
know
stopped
working
and
all
sorts
of
departments
had
to
furlough,
etc.
K
I
don't
think
any
of
us
were
proud
of
our
legislators
in
what
what
they
were
doing,
and
I
certainly
wouldn't
want
this
group
of
legislators
to
do
the
same
kind
of
thing
so
and
so
that
just
make
him
that
point.
E
And
again,
just
so
everybody
again,
the
public
is
clear.
The
proposal
is
to
do
this
three-month
thing
to
let
the
process
around
the
police
department
conversations
work
so
that
then
we
get
to
a
budget
that
does
the
divest
invest
thing
just
want
to
make
sure
that
that's
everybody
understands
that's.
Why
that's?
Why
we're
doing
this?
R
D
B
We
just
think
that
we
have
critical
positions,
that,
from
a
community
safety
perspective,
that
we
need
to
make
sure
that
until
we
decide
that
those
positions
are
no
longer
needed
that
we
we
need
to
replace
those
employees.
I
just
want
to
clarify.
We
are
not
adding
to
the
position,
count
we're
utilizing
the
number
of
employees
that
we
have
currently,
for
example,
we
have
some
trainees
that
are
in
training
right
now
that
will
be
graduating.
B
B
For
example,
if
there's
a
position
that
we
feel
is
not
essential
in
terms
of
providing
community
safety
response
time
or
are
addressing
those
kinds
of
things
we
would
consider
not
filling
those,
but
with
over
the
next
three
months.
That
is
until
we
have
our
dialogue
and
discussion
around
the
police's
budget.
I
hope
that
helps
giuliana.
K
C
C
The
public
hearing
for
those
who
may
be
coming
into
the
meeting
now
please
you're,
going
to
if
you're
signed
up
to
speak
already.
You
can
call
into
the
speaker
cube
for
the
instructions
that
were
already
provided
to
you
tonight
in
order
to
accommodate
everyone
who
signed
up
to
speak
on
the
budget.
C
We
are
allowing
each
speaker
to
speak
for
two
minutes
rather
than
the
usual
three,
and
that's
because
we're
not
limiting
public
comment
on
this
item
to
one
hour
we're
going
to
try
to
get
everybody
in.
C
And
just
as
a
reminder,
if
you
get
dropped
off
the
call,
please
call
back
and
pl
press
star
3
so
that
you
can
get
back
into
the
queue
and
once
again
we
are
taking
live
comments
tonight
from
those
who
signed
up
in
advance
and
the
staff
will
now
connect
those
callers
from
our
speaker
queue
callers.
You
will
hear
first-year
staff
informed
counsel
that
you're
next
to
speak,
then
you'll
hear
an
automated
message,
letting
you
know
that
you
are
unmuted
and
live
in
the
meeting,
and
you
may
begin
speaking
after
the
automated
message.
P
Hey
y'all,
as
I
said,
this
is
kate
wheeler
from
west
asheville,
and
I'm
just
calling
to
speak
on
what
you
all
been
talking
about
this
meeting,
which
is
a
lot
of
reinvesting
and
divesting.
I've
heard
you
use
that
language
quite
a
bit,
but
not
once
have
you
talked
about
defunding
by
50,
which
is
what
black
asheville
has
demanded
since
months
ago,
and
you've
only
talked
about
in
the
context
of
specifically
not
wanting
to
do.
That
is
what
I'm
hearing.
That's
really
confusing
for
you
to
be
using
this
language
of
divesting
and
reinvesting
to
me.
P
It
just
seems
very
obvious
that,
with
this
recent
reparations
idea
that
you
all
have,
which
is
just
an
idea
right
now,
there's
no
direct
action
that
seems
to
be
lined
up
that
you
would
be
using
money
from
the
police
department
to
reinvest
into
the
community.
That
just
seems
like
a
no-brainer
to
me,
and
I
think
it's
pretty
clear
that
you're
kind
of
skirting
around
that
issue
when
you're
having
these
conversations,
you.
Z
AA
P
P
I
don't
appreciate
you
policing
the
way
that
we
are
expressing
our
outrage
and
in
addition
to
that,
when
you're
saying
that
you
know
we
can't
just
defund
the
police,
I
don't
think
anyone
was
ever
saying.
Let's
just
do
this
one
thing:
let's
just
ban,
tear
gas.
We
all
understand
that
these
issues
are
systemic
and
have
so
much
more
work
that
needs
to
go
into
them
than
these
particular
topics.
But
these
are
topics
that
y'all
are
refusing
to
engage
in
already,
and
so
that
just
leaves
us.
L
Hi
there
I'm
going
to
assume
you
can
hear
me
and
start
talking
now
you
councilman
hayes.
I
congratulate
you
on
your
support
for
the
hiring
freeze.
I
think
it's
pretty
disingenuous
to
say
that
you're
just
funding
the
department,
if
you
look
at
the
general
fund
as
a
percentage
of
spending
and
actually
just
do
a
little
bit
of
simple
math
on
that.
L
N
As
a
percentage
of
the
general
fund
there,
it's
gone
from
22
point
something
percent
to
over
26
percent,
making
it
over
a
quarter
of
our
general.
L
N
L
That
you
would
increase
the
percentage
of
police
spending
at
the
same
time
as
having
these
conversations,
you
need
to
take
action
now
cut
the
budget
by
50.
I
want
to
hear
commitment
from
all
of
you
to
be
doing
that
at
the
next
budget.
It's
it's
pretty
absurd
here.
Additionally,
shortening
the
comment
period
to
two
minutes
with
no
warning,
that's
ridiculous.
There
was
definitely.
M
J
AA
Be
defunded
by
at
least
50
percent
in
the
2021
budget.
These
funds
should
be
redirected
into
the
community,
including
affordable
housing,
health
care,
education
and
reparations
for
the
black
community.
The
sentiment
behind
the
reparations
resolution
is
meaningless
without
financial
investment.
I
would
just
like
to
say
her.
N
N
Z
N
AA
AA
AB
AB
X
This
is
david
s.
I
live
in
north
asheville,
the
robocaller
still
says
we
have
three
minutes,
which
is
funny.
I'm
calling
to
implore
city
council
to
defund
the
asheville
police
department
immediately
by
50
percent.
X
I
believe
it
was
councilwoman
julian
mayfield,
who
stated
that
we
can't
do
that
without
a
substitute
plan
for
that
money,
but
in
actuality
we
can
that's
what
we've
done
for
a
whole
budget.
This
far,
we
are
allocating
money
for
three
months:
we've
not
allocated
money
for
the
full
year,
reallocate
that
money
set
it
aside
in
a
separate
fund
deny
that
funding
to
the
police
department.
I
believe
what
ben
spencer
said
was
super
pertinent.
X
If
the
percentage
of
the
budget
that
we
are
paying
to
the
asheville
police
department
is
increasing,
that
means
you
are
not
listening
and,
like
kate
said,
you
are
waiting
for
us
to
get
tired
of
pressuring
you
so
that
you
can
do
nothing
except
maintain
the
status
quo
thanks
brian
haynes.
I
know
that
you're
doing
this,
partly
because
you
don't
have
to
worry
about
re-election,
but
it's
still
awesome.
X
X
What
brian
haynes
suggested,
which
was
to
only
fill
vacant
positions
internally,
is
what
the
city
should
be
doing
until
you've
decided
how
much
of
the
police
budget
you're
going
to
cut,
and
in
case
you
didn't
know
how
much
of
the
police
budget
you
were
going
to
cut
this
year
starting
september
22nd,
it's
50
of
the
budget,
because
that's
what
the
unanimous
demands
of
black
organizers
in
asheville
are.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
I
look
forward
to
all
of
you.
Voting
to
defund
the
asheville
police
department
by
50
on
september.
AC
Good
evening
from
tony
mcdowell
earlier
this
evening,
you
just
heard
the
gospel
according
to
saint
anthony
and
his
dire
warning
that
we
are
now
in
a
state
of
unprecedented
uncertainty
at
this
time.
It's
all
about
the
fact
that
you
really
can't
feed
a
champagne
appetite
on
a
beer
budget.
AC
AC
Unfortunately,
under
current
conditions,
a
budget
deficit
that
could
approach
20
million
dollars,
20
million
dollars-
is
not,
I
repeat,
not
at
this
time.
Beyond
the
realm
of
possibility
for
the
city
of
asheville
has
already
indicated,
with
the
35
loss
in
sales
tax,
the
proposed
general
fund
spending
as.
AC
AB
N
Hi,
this
is
a
menard
I'm
in
west
asheville.
I
have
two
requests,
both
of
which
are
with
respect
to
the
revised
budget
process
and
up
top
I'd
like
to
request
a
response
from
the
city
manager
or
another
member
of
the
city
council.
At
the
conclusion
of
the
meeting
as
to
the
viability
of
these
following
proposals,
you
have
my
contact
phone
number
and
email.
N
The
first
request
is
to
reopen
the
department
request
process
within
the
city
of
asheville
prior
to
the
adoption
of
a
new
revised
budget
signaling
that
there
are
available
funds
to
be
redistributed
to
other
departments
within
the
city
up
to
the
amount
of
15
million
dollars
within
the
framework
of
divesting
from
the
police
and
investing
in
more
effective
and
just
social
services,
specifically
providing
for
more
affordable
housing
initiatives.
Funding
for
the
advancement
of
generational
wealth
for
the
black
community
in
asheville
funding,
our
public
schools
and
specifically
the
hiring
and
training
of
social
workers
and.
N
N
N
Of
a
revised
budget,
but
actually
to
disperse
the
means
of
creating
budget
proposals
to
the
citizenry
of
asheville.
I'm
asking
that
you
create
an
open
portal
to
solicit,
collect
and
advertise
a
multitude
of
budget
proposals
from
any
members
or
coalitions
from
the
city
of
asheville
to
be
made
available
to
the
public
prior
to
the
september
22nd
budget.
Hearing.
If
the
city
isn't
ready
to
propose
a
budget
that.
N
N
AB
N
First
off,
I
would
like
to
say
that
I
am
in
support
of
the
black
asheville
demands
of
divesting
into
funding
by
50,
and
I
believe
you.
N
And
I
want
to
see
you
do
it,
I
want
to
see
you
help
us
have
an
actual,
safer
community,
a
community
that
works
better
for
everybody
who
lives
in
it
by
diverting
those
funds
into
things
that
help
not
only
the
black
community
in
in
direct
ways,
but
also
in
all
the
different
things
we
can
do
that
even
some
of
you
have
spoke
to
tonight
about
how
you
have
different
kinds
of
responders
to
different
kind
of
situations,
be
they
mental
health
situations
different
things
that
don't
need
the
police
department
to
come.
N
I
think
you
understand
that
already
and
I'm
wholeheartedly
in
support
of
that,
and
I
also
urge
you
all-
you
may
already
know
about
this.
So
forgive
me
if,
if
that's
the
case
or
but
I'd
just
like
to
urge
you
to
look
at
things
like,
I
believe
it
was
1967
to
68
in
pittsburgh
pennsylvania
when
what
we.
N
So
part
of
the
road
map
can
be
things
like
that
and
it
can
be
done
and
it
should
be
done,
and
I
trust
that
you'll
do
it
and
you'll
do
it
expediently,
as
people
are
obviously
asking
for-
and
I
know
it's
a
lot-
a
lot
of
work
and
it's
a
gargantuan
task,
but
I
believe
you
can
do
it
and
we
can
do
it.
So
thank
you,
bye,
oh
and
let's
also
keep
funding
transit.
Thank
you.
N
Hello
there,
as
I
said
this
is
sarah
terry.
I
live
in
north
asheville.
I've
been
following
this
trajectory
of
the
budget
as
it
continues
to
be
delayed.
I
understand
it
seems.
P
Like
an
overwhelming
task,
that
really
requires.
N
Us
to
reimagine
how
our
society
works
and
that
can
seem
daunting
and
it
can
seem
like
something
you
can
just
push
off
and
push
off
until
we
lose
our
steam.
I
wonder,
council,
if
you
know
what
it
feels
like
to
be
one
of
your
constituents.
N
Voters
cries
for
change,
especially
for
things
that
are
accessible.
You
mentioned
that
you
can't
look
at
defunding
the.
P
P
I
really
urge
you
to
consider
what
side
of
history
you'd
like
to
fall
on
on
this,
and
I
do
believe
you
have
the
people's
interest
at
heart,
despite
your
actions,
so
I
really
urge
you
to
consider
these
requests
they're
not
going
away,
and
I
think
they
are
attainable,
as
the
caller
before
me
said,
just
consider
how
this
has
looked
to
us
this
entire
time.
You
continue
to
push
our
demands
away
instead
of,
for
instance,
getting
rid
of
vance
monument.
You
push
it.
P
Creating
a
task
force,
I'm
sure
a
lot
of
us
feel
disheartened,
myself
included.
I
urge
you
to
make
the
correct
decision
and
listen.
P
L
Hello,
I'm
upset
considering
councilwoman
mayfield
and
mayor
manheimer's
earlier
comment
in
the
manager's
budget
presentation
where
they
were
tone
policing
the
justifiable
rage
of
the
black
community,
and
I
think
it's
incredibly
discouraging
that,
during
a
time
that
black
people
nationally
are
asking
for
change
in
urgent
action,
you
feel
the
need
to
center
yourselves
and
your
feelings
over
the
needs
of
black
people,
both
nationally
and
in
asheville.
L
You
lack
the
moral
and
philosophical
priorities
to
do
what
the
community
thinks
is
right
and
until
that
work
is
done,
I'm
going
to
be
here
repeating
black
asheville's
demands
so
that
you'll
aggressively
and
urgently
act.
Defund
apd
by
50
and
reinvest
in
the
black
community
they've
been
hurting
for
400
years
and
counting,
and
we
want
you
to
act
urgently
because
their
lives
matter
and
their
demands
and
priorities
are
urgent.
L
Secondly,
I
want
to
challenge
specifically
the
comments
councilwoman
mayfield
made
regarding
tear
gas.
If
you
think
the
observed
notion
that
it's
somehow
ineffective
or
unhelpful
to
take
dangerous
and
internationally
condemned
weapons
away
from
the
police,
when
they've
been
used
to
perm,
do
permanent
harm
to
your
black
residents
during
a
deadly
pandemic
that
disproportionately
affects
them.
You
absolutely
are
deserving
of
vitriol
from
your
constituents
and
you
should
be
writing
your
apology
right
now.
L
Those
comments
really
show
how
much
you
are
a
part
of
the
systemic
aspect
of
systemic
racism.
Simple
demands
get
cast
to
the
side.
Complex
demands
are
put
off
and
white
council
members.
Feelings
are
centered
in
the
whole
process,
stop
putting
up
barriers
to
public
comment
just
because
the
public
thinks
you're
doing
a
terrible
job.
If
you
wanted
to
be
congratulated
for
doing
nothing
of
value
for
your
community,
you
should
have
become
police
officers.
Thank
you.
Bye.
AB
Yes
hi,
I
just.
N
Want
to
first
acknowledge
and
appreciate
the
bravery
of
councilman
haynes.
It's
really
deeply
refreshing
to
feel
that
there's
a
bit
of
representation
of
our
community's
desire
on
city
council,
and
it
was.
It
was
really
great
to
hear
your
comments
just
now.
N
N
I
also
really
hope
that
you
don't
let
us
down
going
forward.
You
know,
I
think,
we're
all
really
coming
to
realize
that
future
generations
will
look
back.
AC
N
I've
also,
you
know
I've
heard
from
family
and
friends
around
the
country
who
saw
that
asheville
passed
a
resolution
to
start
thinking
about
reparations,
and
they
got
very
excited
about
that.
But
I
have
kind
of
tempered
that
excitement
and
told
them
that
it
you
have
to
pay
closer
attention.
We
have
to
make
sure
that
city
council
actually
does
what's
needed
right
now
and
specifically
what
black
asheville
demands
has
put
out,
but
just
before
that,
I
just
want
to
share
a
quick
just
anecdote
from
my
life.
N
You
know
when
I,
when
I
walk
through
the
streets
as
a
white
person,
I
don't
feel
fear
I'm
able
to
just
walk
and
feel
like
I'm
free,
but
then
I
very
quickly
realize
that
I
don't
live
in
a
free
society.
L
N
Hi
there,
council
members,
so
I
just.
N
Years
prior
to
that,
to
please
divest
in
the
funding
from
the
asheville
police
department
and
instead
your
response
or
for
those
of
you
who
weren't
sitting
there
yet
was
to
not
only
continuing
investing
in
the
police
department
but
increasing
the
amount,
and
so
while
I
hear
the
calls
to
be
patient
and
that
this
is
going
to
take
time-
and
I
actually
really
appreciate
that
you
didn't
just
go
ahead
and
make
a
new
plan
without
community
engagement.
I
agree
with
that.
N
It's
also
we've
been
patient
for
a
really
long
time
and
nothing
has
happened,
and
so,
when
you
are
confused
about
why
there's
not
trust
that
there's
been
no
demonstration
that
you're
willing
to
take
these
risks.
I
wish
that
right
now
what
you
were
voting
on
actually
had
some
sort
of
a
commitment,
even
in
these
three
months
that
you
were
going
to
be
putting
money
aside,
that
you
were
going
to
be
divesting
immediately
for
some
amount
to
show
that
you're
actually
serious
this
time.
N
Also
by
continuing
a
lot
of
the
motion
has
been
that
you
have
to
keep
investing
in
apd
because
of
violent
crime.
That's
always
what
pointed
to
are
these
communities
where
violent
crime
is
happening
safer?
The
data
says
no.
The
data
says
that
crime
is
increasing,
the
violence
is
increasing
and
apd
is
not
the
solution.
It's
not
doing
the
anything
to
fix
it.
N
So,
in
addition,
like
you're
talking
about
how
money
can
be
divested
and
then
just
invest
in
something
else,
to
do
the
same
thing,
but
how
can
we
actually
take
steps
to
reduce
the
need
for
the
services?
How
can
we
tend
to
the
healing?
How
can
we
give
attention
to
young
people
there's
so
many
places
where
our
community
is
devoid
of
investment
for
people
to
actually
thrive,
and
then
we
have
the
back
end
of
law,
enforcement
and
punishment,
because
people
are
suffering.
So
I
just
hope
that.
AE
Q
N
Hi,
my
name
is
elsa
entstrom
and
I'm
from
arden
just
outside
of
south
asheville,
and
I
just
wanted
to
echo
the
sentiment
of
many
of
the
count
callers
ahead
of
me
in
saying
that
we
really
need
to
consider
divesting
50
of
the
police
budget.
N
I'm
standing
out
here
with
hundreds
of
people
who
agree
with
me,
and
you
really
need
to
start
listening
to
your
constituents
because
we
will
remove
you
from
office.
If
you
do
not
listen
to
us,
we
will
not
stop
pushing
for
change,
and
you
really
need
to
consider
what
that
is
going
to
do
to
this
town.
N
N
Hi
everyone,
although
I
understand
the
urgency
of
passing
an
interim
budget
during
this
typical
time
for
all
it's
really
important,
to
keep
in
mind
the
budget
process
at
large,
as
this
decision
is
being
made.
This
budget
does
not
reflect
the
council's
commitment
to
and
support
of
reparations
efforts,
as
they
have
been
called
for
the
money
attention,
time
and
power
that
we
have
promised
to
our
black
and
brown
community
through
our
city's
commitments
to
reparations
needs
to
start
now.
N
Actually,
it
needed
to
start
400
years
ago,
but
now
we
must
defend
defund
bash
vote,
pd
budget
by
at
least
50
percent
and
invest
in
our
communities
of
color.
The
interim
budget
must
reflect
this
decrease
and
it
does
not
if
there
is
any
concern
at
all
which
there
should
be
about
the
reality
of
funding
our
promises
for
reparation.
Here's
a
nice
chunk
of
money
to
use
just
for
that
purpose.
N
Divesting
from
the
police
department,
doubles
down
on
the
promise,
not
only
by
holding
the
department
accountable
to
reasonable
operating
expenses
set
by
the
public,
but
also
using
their
grossly
inflated
budget
for
purposes
that
the
community
feels
are
more
necessary
for
creating
a
more
equitable
asheville.
Divesting
also
acknowledges
that,
with
the
investment
in
community,
we
will
not
need
to
invest
in
our
police,
as
we
will
be
addressing
the
causes
of
crime
at
their
source,
as
opposed
to
punitive
justice,
which
has
been
proven
to
be
ineffective
and
inequitable
at
best.
J
A
N
Y
I
D
Y
National
embarrassment
as
a
police
force,
the
largest
per
capita
department
of
any
city
in
the
state
and
doesn't,
and
so
I'm
demanding
an
immediate
massively
overdue
defunding
of
the
asheville
police
department.
We
cannot
let
this
deeply
anti-black
institution
continue
to
terrorize
our
community,
our
neighbors.
We
cannot
continue
to
fund
any
more
state,
state-sanctioned
murder.
The
memory
and
legacy
of
jerry
williams
may.
S
Y
In
power
should
be
reason
enough,
one
life
lost
at
the
hands
of
our
police
department
is
one
too
many.
I
demand
that
city
council
defunds
the
adlpd
by
at
least
50
percent
immediately.
Those
funds
need
to
be
under
direct
community
control
to
address
the
city's
long-standing
oppression
of
black
communities.
I
am
tired.
Your
community
is
tired
of
the
council's
refusal
to
act
and
attempts
to
seek
out
surface
level
solutions
to
a
deeply
rooted
problem.
Y
Q
Q
Time
for
a
shift
in
the
conversation
to
take
place
from
divest
to
reinvest
and
the
only
way
for
that
shift
to
occur
is
if
the
city
council
makes
strong,
specific
and
binding
commitments
during
this
appropriations
process.
As
my
time
will
quickly
expire.
I
would
like
to
stress
that
more
police
does
not
equal
safer
communities.
Policing
is
a
reactionary
strategy
and
does
not
address.
Q
To
make
a
firm
commitment
today
to
reduce
the
apd
budget
over
this
next
year,
if
there
is
any
hope
for
meaningful
discussions
to
take
place,
I
shudder
to
think
of
the
community
outcry
that
will
follow
if,
after
all
of
this
community
engagement
we
get
to
september
and
the
funding
for
apd
remains
flat
or
the
discussion
is
prolonged
as
it's
being
speculated.
Please
not
postpone
this
any
longer.
Please
make
a
binding
commitment
to
reduce
the
apd
budget.
Thank
you.
N
Hello,
I
want
to
say
the
point
of
the
call
to
defund
the.
N
N
N
While
we
don't
expect
perfection
overnight,
we
do
want
immediate
action
to
reduce
harm
and
that
we
don't
want
delays
or
committees
formed
by
cops
or
you
know.
First,
first
steps.
N
Personally,
I
recently
have
filed
a
police
report
in
a
human
trafficking
case,
and
you
know,
while
I
was
able
to
work
with
our
voice
with
some
very
knowledgeable
people
who
were
doing
you
know
good
work
when
I
got
time
to
work
with
the
police
department,
they
were
really
inept.
Really
unable
to
you
know
be
informed
about
the
situation,
did
not
listen
to
experts
and
made
matters
more
dangerous
for
me
and
some
victims.
N
Q
Hi
y'all,
I'm
just
calling
to
second
a
lot
of
what
other
folks
have
been
saying.
Due
to
the
ongoing
cases
of
police
brutality
in
our
community
and
across
the
entire
country.
I'm
just
reaching
out
to
urge
that
the
city
of
asheville,
defunds
and
demilitarizes
the
police
department
and
instead
invests.
AF
AD
Hi,
I'm
guardedly
optimistic
about
the
budget
process
and
engagement
plan.
Mrs
campbell
laid
out
we're
all
going
to
be
watching
to
see
what
actually
happens.
I
want
to
address
a
couple
things
that
came
up
the
city
manager
and
various
council
members
were
talking
about
how
several
policy
ideas
could
now
be
considered
reparations.
I
I
think
it's
really
important
that
we
clarify
that
any
policy
that
might
positively
impact
black
people
doesn't
make
it
reparations.
AD
Improving
transportation
is
a
really
good
idea.
It's
not
necessarily
reparations,
affordable
housing
is
a
good
idea.
It's
not
necessarily
reparations
if
we
were
to
amend
the
city
charter,
which
we
learned
tonight
supersedes
state
law
which
is
very
exciting,
so
that
black
ash
billions
no
longer
have
to
pay
property
taxes
in
asheville.
That
could
be
one
form
of
reparations,
reparations
need
to
address
historical
as
well
as
current
harms.
They
need
to
guarantee
that
those
harms
won't
continue.
They
need
to
remedy
the
harm
that's
been
caused.
AD
I
also
want
to
talk
about
some
of
the
council
members
saying
what
can't
happen
in
the
next
two
months.
I
just
think
it's
important
to
think
about
what
can
here's
something
that
you
all
can
do?
You
can
acknowledge
that
the
asheville
police
department
is
a
racist
institution
and
the
process
of
community
engagement
is
not
going
to
be
about
whether
we
need
to
defund
and
replace
the
functions
of
that
department,
but
about
how
we're
going
to
do
that.
It's
abundantly
clear
that
bad
apples
aren't
our
problem.
AD
We
have
a
tree,
that's
diseased
and
you
can
commit
to
chopping
down
a
diseased
tree
before
you
know
exactly.
What's
going
to
replace
it,
we
can
use
this
community
engagement
process
to
really
envision
how
we're
going
to
replace
most
of
what
apd
does
with
new
institutions
that
will
keep
all
of
our
people
safe
and
begin
to
remedy
and
repair
centuries
of
harm.
N
Hi
there
as
a
lifelong
public
school
student
in
north
carolina,
I'm
well
aware
that
you
can
just
line
item,
cut
a
budget
and
leave
teachers
to
scramble
on
the
first
day
of
school.
Why
can't
we
just
do
that
with
police
officers.
I
know
it's
not
a
just
and
people
have
been
working
on
ways
to
keep
us
safe.
We
keep
us
safe
for
years
and
to
insinuate
that
us,
the
constituents
are
uneducated
in
the
processes
of
community
safety
and
improvement
is
really
insulting.
N
Please
also
don't
use
mentally
ill
people
as
your
excuse.
The
police
do
not
help
us
in
crisis.
That's
the
last
thing.
That's
helpful.
Remember
that
we
still
expect
50
funding
reduction
in
this
year-long
budget
and
the
three-month
budget
here
uses
26
percent.
If
we're
wanting
a
50,
that
only
leaves
24
for
you
to
use
for
the
rest
of
the
nine
months
in
the
year.
So
just
consider
that
when
you're
going
over
this
budget
proposal
also
will
the
september
22nd
budget
amendment
allow
apd.
Y
Funds
to
be
rio
allocated
or
will
we
have
to
just
function
at
a
will,
this
kind
of
lock
us
into
an
amount
that
is
a
fraction
so.
N
We
have
to
complete
the
whole
finally
ignoring
the
million
dollars
for
the
people
campaign
years
ago.
Didn't
silence
us.
It
just
sent
people
underground
to
try
to
establish
networks,
because
we
know
we
won't
be
able
to
rely
on
public
services.
N
Just
listen
just
pay
attention.
It's
been
happening,
everybody
ignores
the
police,
like
you,
don't
have
to
look
very
hard
to
realize
that
no
one's
ever
been
kept
safe.
That
way,
that's
an
exaggeration,
but
it's
an
exaggeration.
You
need
to
hear
again
thank
you
for
your
effort,
but
I
can
definitely
tell
that
y'all
are
just
trying
to
find
ways
not
to
make
a
change.
So
thanks
for
that.
Q
AF
N
Q
Q
N
Q
Z
N
Hi
good
evening,
everybody.
N
Which
I
echo
but
we'll
try
not
to
repeat
so
thoroughly.
I
would
ask
that
we
defund
the
epd
by
50.
P
And
I
heard
over
this
last
meeting
a
lot
of
kind
of
hemming
and
hawing
and
a
lot
of
hand-wringing
about
why
it
is
not.
You
know
why
it's
going
to
be
hard
to
do
that.
Why
it's
going
to
be
complicated
to
do
that,
but
there
have
been
plenty
of
organizations.
N
P
AB
Yeah
hi
appreciate
the
chance
to
speak.
I'd
like
to
express
my
support
for
black
asheville's
demands
to
reallocate
apd's
budget
towards
supporting
black
asheville.
AB
I
understand
and
appreciate
the
challenges
and
nuance
involved
in
revisioning
the
city
budget,
and
I
look
forward
to
that
work
being
done
in
honest
and
in
the
context
of
a
clear
vision
and
goals
for
both
the
allocations
and
impact.
There's
a
lot
of
great
examples
from
other
cities
about
how
you
can
create
a
long-term
plan
to
make
those
changes.
Even
if
you
can't
do
every
single
thing
right
now,
asheville
is
certainly
a
place
where
this
is
accessible
and
asheville
certainly
owes
reparations
to
the
black
population.
Considering
the
long
and
significant
history
of
injustice
against
asheville's.
AB
The
problem
of
police,
militarization
and
oppression
of
black
and
brown
people
throughout
the
quote-unquote
justice
system
is,
in
fact
a
national
issue
and
asheville
has
an
opportunity
to
be
a
part
of
local
solutions
to
this
national
problem.
It's
true
that
it
won't
all
be
fixed
by
asheville
alone,
and
it's
a
large
and
perhaps
overwhelming
problem
for
asheville
city
to
take
on.
However,
again
asheville
is
well
positioned
to
make
these
changes
on
the
local
scale.
It's
clear
that
the
current
national
government
is
not
equipped
ready
or
likely
willing
to
make
these
changes.
AB
Therefore,
the
change
must
come
from
the
ground
up.
So
after
our
neighborhoods
and
communities,
the
city
is
really
the
next
place
to
start.
So,
let's
see
it
happen,
I
would
love
to
see
clear
and
specific,
immediate
and
short-term
action
and
specific
long-term
plans
and
commitments
towards
real
change
and
repair
of
these
systemic.
N
Hi,
my
name
is
daniella.
I
am
going
to
be
reading
a
statement
from
a
community
member
who
couldn't
call
in
because
of
work,
so
in
nursing
school
I
was
taught.
The
most
important
rule
is
that
of
an
advocate
for
my
patients.
Because
of
this,
it
is
time
for
me
to
name
police
brutality
as
a
threat
to
the
lives
of
an
already
marginalized
group
of
my
patients.
N
The
world
health
organization
describes
public
health
crises
as
occurrences
of
extensive
injury
or
loss
of
life
resulting
from
a
natural
phenomenon
or
human
act,
which
have
significant
impacts
on
community
health
and
the
economy.
Giving
us
an
abundant
evidence
to
suggest
violence
and
death
perpetrated
by
the
police
against
black
and
brown
bodies
is
indeed
a
crisis
of
public
health.
N
Registered
nurses
are
constantly
ranked
as
one
of
the
most
trusted
professions
in
america
in
america
seeking
us
firmly
in
a
position
to
be
seen,
heard
and
taken
seriously
by
city
council
such
as
this,
and
tonight
I
am
here
to
be
heard.
I
am
here
to
shift
the
narrative
about
health
and
public
safety
away
from
the
patriarchal
capitalist
standards
and
towards
the
health
that
listens
to
the
needs
of
marginalized
people
and
honors
their
dignity.
N
That
starts
with
calling
me
that
starts
with
me,
calling
out
the
continuous
murders
of
black
folks
at
the
hands
of
the
state
and
naming
it
as
a
pressing
matter
of
public
health.
I
am
just
one
nurse
with
one
voice
and
the
understanding
that
the
profession
of
nursing
can
be
considered
a
radical
occupation.
N
V
V
I've
been
a
working
musician
and
also
someone
who's
worked
in
environmental
nonprofits.
N
In
the
area
and
after
the
protest.
V
N
V
The
proposed
budget
for
apd
is
in
the
next
fiscal
year,
needs
to
be
revised
to
demonstrate
a
genuine
effort
that
the
community
has
been
heard.
Given
the
economic
and
public
health
crisis
we
are
facing,
it
is
not
prudent
and
in
bad
case
to
increase
apd's
budget
next
year,
while
pulling
back
funding
in
so
many.
N
N
Z
N
N
Police
brutality
shows
an
utter
disregard
for
the
demands
of
the
people.
Instead
of
reducing
our
budget
in
areas
that
could
benefit
community
members,
we
need
to
reallocate
50
of
the
asheville
police
department's
budget
to
address
the
city's
long
oppression
of
black
communities
and
to
increase
funding
for
education,
housing
and
public
health.
N
That
are
better
suited
to
handle
non-violent
emergencies
and
to
provide
resources
that
prevent
crime
is
just
common
sense,
julie,
mayfield.
I
wholeheartedly
disagree
with
your
statement
that
reducing
the
budget
by
50
will
only
result
in
longer
wait
times.
There
are
already
organizations
supporting
causes,
such
as
addiction,
homelessness
and
domestic
violence,
some
of
which
are
even
already
listed
on
the.
N
To
take
the
responsibility
is
frankly
not
true
and
as
your
statements
about
tear
gas
being
just
one
tool
and
a
systemic
problem,
tear
gas
was
outlawed
by
the
in
war
by
the
geneva
protocol
in
1925
95
years
ago,
you
said
that
an
alternative
may
cause
more
harm
to
the
community.
Are
you
truly
suggesting
that
the
only
alternative
to
this
so-called
tool
would
would
be
more
harmful
than
a
war
crime?
V
Wonderful,
thank
you.
So
I
know
it's
been
a
long
day,
so
I
kind
of
want
to
use
my
time
actually
to
let
you
guys,
the
council
members
just
kind
of
gather
your
thoughts
and
just
reflect
on
what.
V
So
you
want
to
know
the
facts.
You
know.
I
want
to
know
how
the
public
feels
about
the
police
department.
We
are
literally
the
largest
per
capita
department
of
any
city
in
this
state.
The
effect
is
investing
in
black
communities,
black
businesses,
black
mothers
and
children
and
the
cause
is
defunding
the
police.
We
don't
want
defending
the
police
to
be
the
focus
here.
We
want
the
black
communities
and
the
black
businesses
and
the
black
mothers
and
children
to
be
the
focus,
cops,
don't
reduce
crime,
they
police
crime.
N
V
V
V
N
N
I
also
do
understand
and
recognize
that
these
issues
are
not
easy
and
navigating
these
changes
requires
all
of
us
to
get
out
of
our
comfort
zones
and
to
reimagine
our
city's
future,
but
it's
time
for
innovation,
creativity
and
intentional
change
as
a
business
owner
and
member
of
this
community.
I
believe
we
must
rethink
our
approach
to
many
things
in
our
budget
and
I've
spoken
out
about
this
over
the
last
few
years.
We
can
no
longer
continue
on
the
path
that
we're
on
it's,
not
sustainable.
N
It's
not
building
resiliency,
it's
not
equitable.
So
the
way
that
we've
been
doing
things
it
hasn't
led
us
to
a
better
place
in
the
20
years
that
I
have
been
here.
It
has
led
us
to
the
place
that
we
are
now
so
I
want
to
encourage
all
of
you
to
please
don't
shy
away
from
pushing
the
boundaries
and
don't
shy
away
from
clearly
and
boldly
declaring
the
city's
commitment
to
real,
tangible
change,
even
though
we
understand
none
of
this
can
happen
right
away.
N
It's
so
important
that
where
we're
headed
is
clearly
stated,
and
even
if
we
can't
enact
something
in
the
moment
that
we
clearly
say
to
the
community
that
we
are
going
in
that
direction,
I
really
feel
in
my
heart
that
all
of
you
today
have
shared
that
in
some
ways
you
want
to
go
in
that
new
direction,
but
I
think,
as
you
can
tell
from
everybody
who's
spoken
before
me,
it
has
to
be
stronger.
It
has
to
be
bolder.
N
It
has
to
be
a
commitment
and
right
now
I
think,
for
most
of
us
we
don't
see
that
commitment
in
action
and
for
me
personally,
living
here
in
asheville,
I
will
just
say
about
the
apd
right
now:
they're
already
not
doing
what
they
should
be
doing,
people
I
love,
have
had
crimes
committed
and
nothing's
being
done.
So
we
have
to
solve
this
problem
and
we
have
to
figure
out
how
to
make
change.
N
Hi
city,
council,
members
and
other
city
officials-
I
am
here
to
say
that
I
believe
you
do
not
actually
want
this
thing
that
we're
asking
for.
If
you
wanted
it,
you
would
make
a
way
we
can
do
hard
things
when
we
want
to.
I
am
an
educator.
N
If
they
can
do
it,
you
can
do
it.
Social
workers,
healthcare
workers,
mental
health
workers.
These
are
the
people
who
are
going
to
bring
the
change
to
our
communities
that
you
are
asking
of
the
apd.
If
the
apd
save
one
care
in
the
world
about
our
community,
then
they
wouldn't
need
these
budget
increases.
They
would
be
finding
creative
ways
to
meet
the
needs
of
the
people.
N
I
have
not
heard
any
suggestion
even
moving
in
that
direction,
let
alone
trying
to
meet
that
demand,
and
I
believe
all
of
us
who
are
here
speaking-
and
I
wonder
if
you've
noticed-
that
every
person
who
has
called
in
is
calling
to
ask
for
this
change.
Your
constituents
want
this
and
I
believe
that,
if
you
don't
listen
to
us-
and
you
don't
make
these
changes,
you
are
not
going
to
be
able
to
hold
your
office.
N
Someone
else
is
going
to
step
in
who
cares
about
our
community
and
they
are
going
to
make
the
change
that
the
people
are
asking
for,
because
we
can
do
it
without
the
money.
The
communities
come
together
and
they
make
the
changes
that
are
necessary
from
the
grassroots
up.
If
you
want
to
engage
in
true
human
experience,
I
ask
that
you
make
these
decisions,
that
you
have
the
power
right
now
in
your
hands
to
make.
L
Is
dan
gingras?
I
am
currently
marching
downtown.
I
am
in
support
of
black
asheville
demands
to
deepen
the
fleets
by
50,
and
I
think
the
while
we
guiding
that
you
two
are
doing
are
is
totally
unacceptable.
N
Unacceptable,
we
are
the
most
policed
per
capita
city,
300
police-
and
you
all
are
finding
it
radical
to
just
not
even
rehire
or
to
consider
stopping
the
hiring
process.
D
I'm
a
little
out
of
words
right
now.
AE
Hi,
council
and
city
manager
campbell
tonight
spoken
or
presentation
of
the
community
concerns
surrounding
stretching
out
processes
and
doing
nothing.
I
think
when
we
see
this
type
of
budget
extension
it
makes
these
concerns
even
greater.
We
know
that
this
is
how
the
community
feels,
and
yet
this
meeting
feels
like
a
repeat
of
the
incredible
community
members
who
continue
to
push
you
to
adopt
black
asheville's
demands
of
defunding,
the
ashford
police
by
at
least
50
percent
esco
police
continue
to
hire
new
staff
at
a
minimum.
We
could
be
having
a
hiring
freeze.
AE
I
understand
we
can't
abolish
this
police
tomorrow
without
another
plan
in
place.
However,
I
haven't
heard
a
commitment
to
the
dismantling
of
the
system
and
the
recreation
of
a
model
with
public
safety
in
mind.
I
believe
that
we
can
move
in
two
directions
at
once.
This
budget
continuation
signal
is
more
of
the
same
when
very
clear
demands
have
been
made.
It's
disingenuous
to
talk
about
our
movement
as
just
yelling
at
you.
AE
We
have
multiple
groups
who
are
wet,
ready,
willing
and
able
to
guide
you
through
this
process,
and
we
have
had
our
ability
to
access
engagement
with
you
limited
over
time.
We
continue
to
talk
about
building
trust,
but
we
have
not
seen
any
actions
that
are
building
trust.
We
cannot
continue
these
delays.
AE
I
understand
that
budgeting
takes
time
and
we
have
given
you
that
time
now
we're
being
told
that
there
will
be
more
waiting,
we
are
being
told
we
could
very
well
be
sitting
here
three
months
from
now
with
yet
another
budget
extension
10
out
of
30
million
dollars
allocated
to
the
asheville
police
has
already
been
given
to
them.
According
to
our
demands,
this
leaves
only
5
million
more
for
the
remainder
of
the
fiscal
year.
The
only
time
to
address
this
is
right.
AE
Now
incarceration
and
violence
from
police
is
not
the
appropriate
response
to
the
issues
of
our
community.
I'm
concerned
that
we
are
more
interested
in
protecting
the
assets
of
asheville's
elite
than
caring
for
the
members
of
our
community.
We
need
a
firm
timeline.
We
need
to
access
and
fold
transparency
to
the
budgeting
process.
AE
We
need
to
ban
these
non-lethal
weapons
weapons
which
injured
peaceful
protesters,
including
fracturing
a
protest
or
skull.
We
have
more
police
than
we
need
as
it
is,
and
they're
not
effective
at
keeping
us
safe,
julie's
statement
reminded
me
a
lot
of
the
commercial
that
the
current
occupant
of
the
white
house
is
using
for
his
re-election
campaign
to
put
fear
in
the
hearts
of
white
americans
that
we
would
call
9-1-1
and
have
no
response
to
our
needs.
Nobody
is
suggesting
we
are
asking
for.
O
N
Hi,
I'm
vanjanik.
I
support
immediately
defunding
the
apd
by
at
least
50,
and
investing
that
money
in
community
support
and
reparations
for
our
communities
of
color.
These
conversations
do
need
to
happen
without
the
chief
of
police
police
present,
the
ap
apd
caused
so
much
more
harm
than
any
protection,
y'all
and
other
people
may
imagine
they
actually
provide.
Z
Hi
this
is
this,
is
a
l.
N
From
north
asheville,
I'm
going
to
repeat
some
of
what
folks
have
said
earlier,
but
not
because
I
think
it
is
a
waste
of
time,
because
I
think
it's
really
important
as.
N
N
N
We
will
forget
about
this
issue.
This
is
not
how
local
government
is
supposed
to
work.
Listen
to
your
constituents.
The
community,
especially
the
black
community,
is
besting
you
to
reinvest
in
community
funds
and
community
services.
The
apd
as
it
currently
operates,
is
not
a
community
service,
but
a
racist
institution.
N
It
is
devastating
to
see
the
allocation
of
police
funds
in
comparison
to
other
public
services.
Why
is
transportation,
for
instance,
receiving
only
a
quarter
of
the
amount
of
money
that
apd
is?
You
need
to
listen
to
the
folks
who
have
spoken
on
this
call
and
redistribute
these
funds
in
order
to
prioritize
public
housing.
I
am
in
support
of
the
black
asheville
demands
to
reduce
apd
funds
by
50
and
divert
these
funds
into
the
community.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
N
Hi,
I'm
calling
in
support
of
the
black
asheville
demands
that
were
presented
in
june
defunding
apd
by
at
least
50
and
investing
in
asheville's
black
community
has
been
the
demand
since
june,
and
you
say:
you've
heard
it,
but
you
haven't
been
straightforward
about
what
you
intend.
Your
language
is
vague
and
you
even
tried
to
suppress
public
input
for
this
meeting
by
requiring
people
to
register
for
live
comment
and
shortening
the
comment
time
in
order
to
follow
through
on
all
the
promises
for
reparations.
N
N
Apd
is
just
like
the
last
caller
set
a
racist
institution
that
endangers
the
people
you
represent,
so
you'll
excuse
folks,
if
they're
justifiably
angry
one
caller
mentioned
reimagining
public
safety
and
how
that
can
seem
like
a
daunting
task,
but
you
have
a
whole
community
of
people
here
wanting
to
imagine
with
you,
it's
not
too
much
to
expect.
We
can
do
hard
things
you
can
commit
to
making
changes
without
knowing
exactly
how
we
can't
continue
to
invest
in
this
department.
So
please
digest
50
from
the
police
department.
Thank
you.
B
X
AC
X
N
Hello,
this
is
angel
olsen.
I
want
to
make
this
brief.
I
just
wanted
to
talk
about
the
term
defunding.
The
police.
N
I
think
that
that
term
is
confusing
to
a
lot
of
people.
N
N
Of
working
in
government
and
business
requires
constant,
edification
and
creative
rethinking
anything
less
is
sedentary.
If
you're
not
prepared
to
brainstorm,
then
I
think
it's
important
to
reconsider
your
place
in
office
and
we
absolutely
have
a
non-police
protocol
that
we
should
be
focusing
on.
That
includes
informing
the
community
and
promoting.
N
N
N
N
People
are
angry.
Black
people
have
been
waiting
hundreds
of
years
for
true
equality.
The
hearing
that
their
demand
is
entrenched
in
a
swamp
of
bureaucracy
and
red
tape
is
unimaginably
frustrating.
They
should
not
be
reprimanded
for
showing
passion,
even
if
that
is
in
the
form
of
anger
or
impatience.
N
Aristotle
said
that
the
law
is
reason
free
from
passion,
but
frankly
he
is
wrong.
Passing
policies
and
laws
are
fueled
by
the
passion
of
the
people.
We
would
not
even
be
talking
about
this
at
all
right
now,
without
the
passion
of
our
black
community
and
allies.
Decisions
to
show
up
in
this
critical
time
change
like
this
is
often
framed
by
crises,
and
we
are
in
the
middle
of
several
it's
time
to
recognize
that
fire.
So
while
this
fire
cannot
be
put
out
overnight,
you
can
commit
to
a
timeline.
N
N
I
don't
want
to
have
to
do
your
job
for
you,
but
in
the
span
of
an
hour
I
found
several
local
and
broader
examples
and
evidence
of
successful
major
law
enforcement
change,
including
the
issue
of
what
to
do
in
the
interim.
While
defunding
is
occurring,
the
local
resources
on
this
come
from
racial
justice
coalition
and
the
non-profit
called
beloved
asheville.
I
suggest
you
do
some
research
and
also
speak
with
them.
If
you
haven't
already,
you
also
have
my
contact
information
now
so
feel
free
to
reach
out
for
those
articles
and
academic
papers
that
I
found.
N
N
All
right,
hello,
it
is
crucial
that
the
asheville
police
be
defunded
by
50,
and
this
reallocated
into
the
community.
The
police
have
shown
that
they
are
forced
to
be
feared
in
order
to
oppress
the
right
of
freedom
of
speech
by
using
militarized,
violent
tactics
to
silence
peaceful
community
members.
The
police
must
be
demilitarized
in
order
to
ensure
protection
of
the
right
to
freedom
of
speech
and
to
end
violence
against
peaceful
community
members.
Communities
of
color
and
those
who
are
unhoused
are
disproportionately
surveillance
and
targeted
by
police.
N
If
police
surveillance
stops,
then
this
will
reduce
spending
allowing
for
the
police
to
use
their
funds
elsewhere.
Surveillance
does
not
reduce
harm
or
crime.
Investing
in
communities
allows
for
those
who
need
support
in
meeting
basic
needs.
Mental
health
care
and
economic
needs
to
have
access
to
competent
services
that
support
well-being.
N
Therefore,
reducing
need
for
unqualified
police
to
intervene
with
harmful
tactics.
Funds
should
also
be
reallocated
to
affordable
housing,
restorative
justice,
programs
and
economic
job
opportunities
and
free
public
transportation,
invest
in
black
communities
and
businesses,
and
support
community
safety
and
well-being
by
defunding
asheville
police
department
by
50.
AA
AA
As
for
divesting
from
the
police,
I
don't
know
what's
best
for
my
black
neighbors
as
a
white
woman,
I
can't
know
when
I
walk
down
a
sidewalk
or
drive
my
car.
I
can
be
almost
100
positive.
If
I
see
a
police
officer,
they
will
trust
me
and
not.
Give
me
a
second
glance
when
my
daughter
and
I
are
out
walking
the
streets,
we
feel
confident
that
police
officers
will
come
to
our
aid
if
necessary.
AA
AA
AA
I
applaud
the
city
council
for
making
the
right
first
step
by
announcing
that
you
would
be
moving
forward
with
reparations,
which
is
necessary
and
long
overdue,
but
by
making
this
process
to
make
comments
so
much
more
difficult,
especially
for
those
who
don't
have
easy
access
to
the
internet.
It
seems
to
some
that
you
could
be
trying
to
suppress
community
voices
and
by
not
making
your
process
transparent.
AA
N
N
Apology
and
recognition
reparations
require
the
reallocation
of
capital.
I
look
forward
to
the
outcome
of
the
community
efforts
to
determine
broad
avenues
toward
the
re-accumulation
of
generational
wealth
within
the
black
citizenry
of
asheville,
I'm
requesting
that
city
council
and
the
city
manager
deliver
a
transparent
and
viable
mode
of
community
input
in
the
budget
process.
Beyond
these
council
hearing.
V
N
From
apd
is
overly
daunting,
but
deeply
rooted
community
involvement
will
make
this
process
possible.
Divesting
from
apd
is
time,
sensitive
and
essential,
and
the
complacency
and
indecisiveness
throughout
this
process
so
far
has
not
cut
it.
So
please
take
action
by
listening
to
the
experience
requested
needs
of
the
community.
V
That
you
represent
involving
community
members
in
the
process.
Lastly,
I
wanted
to
share
all
respect
and
love
to
keith
young
shanika
smith
and
brian
haynes
who've,
continually
acknowledged
inequity
and
worked
with
creativity
and
compassion
and
humility
to
support
the
people
of
asheville
to
the
rest
of
city
council.
Please
follow
this
lead.
Your
jobs
are
hard,
but
effacing.
The
impassioned
concerns
of
your
constituency
is
too
great
a
personal
challenge.
Please
reflect
critically
upon
why
you
are
serving
as
representatives
of
that
constituency.
V
N
National
news
coverage
missed
from
our
last
city
council,
call
like
the
fact
that
this
reparations
bill
is
not
what
it
seems
like
the
fact
that
our
city
council
tabled
a
call
to
man
the
use
of
tear
gas
by
the
apd
that
our
city
council
once
again,
dodged
relentless
calls
to
defund
police
that
our
city
council
needs
an
external
evaluator
to
tell
them
what
they
already
know
about.
Apd's
response
to
the
blm
protests.
N
Asheville
needs
to
make
the
national
news
again
by
defunding
apd
by
at
least
50,
show
your
city
and
country
that
you
value
the
demands
of
your
constituents,
the
well-being
of
your
citizens
and
the
lives
of
your
black
community
members.
And
if
you
don't,
we
will
hold
you
accountable
by
making
sure
your
decisions
follow
you.
We
will
call
for
your
resignation,
we
will
run
for
office
and
we
will
vote
accordingly.
Julie,
mayfield,
your
senate
seat
isn't
happening
after
your
show
tonight.
Lastly,
councilman
kapoor's
seat
needs
to
be
put
up
for
election.
N
V
First
off,
I
want
to
express
my
appreciation
for
city
manager,
campbell's
presentation
on
defund
divest,
invest
as
well
as
council
person,
hayes
strong
stance
on
the
budget.
We
have
not
seen
accountability
for
the
asheville
police
department's
brutality
against
protesters
and
illegal
targeting
of
medics.
This
falls
in
line
with
what
we
have
seen
in
police
departments
nationwide:
a
lack
of
accountability,
even
in
communities
like
minneapolis,
where
they
made
drastic
changes
to
the
department,
implicit
bias,
training,
de-escalation,
training,
etc.
Police
brutality
did
not
go
down.
V
The
only
effective
solution
has
been
defunding
police,
which
the
city
of
minneapolis
has
already
done.
I
appreciate
council
person
mayfield's
comments
about
making
sure
we
create
lasting
change
and
don't
wind
up
missing
the
services
we
need,
but
the
police
are
already
frustrated,
frustratingly
ineffective
when
dealing
with
domestic
abuse
theft
and
other
issues
you
mentioned,
and
there
is
no
excuse
not
to
ban
tear
gas.
The
bad
press
from
apd's
actions
cannot
be
smoothed
over
by
a
so
far
toothless
resolution
about
reparations.
V
The
people
have
given
you
our
demands
for
months
now,
and
you
have
not
taken
real
action
when
council
person
mayfield
talks
about
faith
in
counsel
being
at
an
all-time
low.
Have
you
thought
that
the
council
is
itself
to
blame?
You
can't
provide
public
safety
effectively
and
safely
without
the
public
trust.
When
we
see
things
like
the
mayor
working
with
the
legislature,
to
give
you
all
an
unelected
year
when
vj
and
council
conceals
that,
he
wants
three
more
days
that
denies
the
people
in
election
and
accountability.
V
You
undermine
the
number
one
public
safety
tool
you
have
and
that's
trust
you
need
the
trust
of
the
community
to
keep
the
community
safe
and
making
me
sign
up
over
24
hours
in
advance
to
make
this
comment,
isn't
helping
either
listen
to
black
asheville
demands.
Demilitarize
the
police,
defund
apd
by
50,
make
the
commitment.
Thank
you.
M
Hi,
my
name
is
grant.
My
name
is
grant
millen
long
time,
asheville
resident
my
church,
saint
mark's,
lutheran
church
has
a
track
record
of
working
at
racial
healing
issues.
I
actually
regret
not
speaking
on
racial
healing
myself
enough,
my
denomination,
the
evangelical,
lutheran
church
of
america,
ministers,
the
needs
of
the
disabled
and
to
people
of
color.
M
And
by
the
way
the
disabled
are
get
hit
with
crime
victimization,
it
is
not
rational
to
talk
about
cutting
apd
budget
without
having
asheville's
persons
with
disabilities
at
the
table,
and
city
of
asheville
has
no
record
of
doing
that.
Haynes,
young
and
smith
are
among
the
least
interested
in
the
disabled.
M
L
Hi
thanks
for
sitting
through
this,
I
really
want
to
see
you
help
us
seeking
praise
for
any
steps
toward
reparations,
while
increasing
or
even
maintaining
the
police
budget
are
fundamentally
at
odds
with
one
another.
However,
and
I'm
really
concerned,
the
problem
we're
facing
is
police
culture
in
general,
combined
with
a
bloated
and
unchecked
budget.
We
really
need
to
ask
ourselves
at
this
time
what
are
the
psychological
characteristics
of
individuals
who
are
willing
to
deploy
chemical
weapons
upon
a
crowd
of
peaceful
protesters,
including
children,
on
a
bridge?
L
These
cycles
of
violence
are
a
systemic
problem
in
the
us
and
are
a
result
of
surface-level
policies
and
budgeting
practices
that
enable
and
even
encourage
police
violence.
Public
safety
and
well-being
achieves
a
maximum
efficiency
when
it
is
structured
as
a
democratic
practice,
when
the
public
is
empowered,
with
the
capacity
to
exercise
voting
power
over
the
role,
resources
and
organizational
structure
of
their
own
safety.
The.
M
L
L
Of
military
armor,
they
should
earn
their
salaries
and
our
trust
and
this
city
should
earn
its
title
as
a
progressive
and
inclusive
city,
who
is
championing
a
flat
reparations
bill
that
we
can
build
up
through
this?
If
you
really
don't
want
to
allow
your
own
citizens
to
vote
to
replace
kapoor's
seat
fine,
there
are
many
other
things
your
citizens
are
calling
for.
We
can
divest
from
the
police
budget
and
reinvest
in
the
trained
professionals
and
the
black
and
indigenous
communities.
This
city
brushes
under
the
welcome
mat
that
it
lays
out
for
tourists.
J
Thank
you
maggie,
and
we
have
our
final
caller
marissa
from
barnardsville.
C
C
C
We
we
are
going
to
have
another
meeting
in
two
days
because
to
vote
on
all
the
items
that
are
on
our
public
hearing
agenda.
The
reason
for
that
is
because,
under
the
special,
the
legislation
for
that
applies
for
virtual
meetings
does
not
allow
us
to
vote
on
any
item
on
the
public
hearing
agenda
at
the
actual
council
meeting
where
the
public
hearing
takes
place.
We
are
not
exactly
sure
why
that
is
so.
C
We
will
have
to
vote
to
recess
this
and
come
back
in
two
days
to
actually
vote
on
all
of
these
items,
including
the
budget,
but
before
we
move
before
we
go
before.
I
invite
someone
to
make
a
motion
now
that
we've
heard
the
public
comment
on
the
budget
item
the
council.
C
I
I
Okay,
well
mayor
appreciate,
appreciate
the
time
and
I
should
also
say
thank
you
for
the
thank
you
to
everybody
for
the
for
the
kind
resolution
you
all
provided
to
me
early
on.
I
I'm
sorry,
we
couldn't
sorry
we
couldn't
be
together
in
person,
although
we,
I
think
we've
spent
a
lot
of
quality
time
via
via
google
here,
but
you
know
I
I
I
wanted
to
talk
specifically
kind
of
like
on
my
thoughts
about
the
budget
and
I
think,
as
you
all
could
tell
kind
of
starting
with
this
meeting
and
even
during
the
check-ins
I
I've
been
really
nervous
about
doing
an
allocation,
a
three-month
allocation,
as
opposed
to
doing
a
full-year
allocation
for
the
budget.
I
I
think,
in
terms
of
of
wanting
to
you,
know,
look
hard
at
the
police
budget.
I
I
absolutely
support
that.
I
think,
given
this
time
given,
what's
going
on
financially
given
what's
going
on
in
the
city,
you
know
looking
at
at
what
our
police
officers
do
and
how
they
do
it
and
and
we're
frankly,
looking
across
the
entire
organization.
I
I
think
it
is
a
perfectly
appropriate
thing
to
do,
but
I
I
think
you
all
are
putting
yourselves.
I
think
we
would
be
putting
ourselves
and
staff.
I
You
know
really
an
unnecessary
risk
if
we
do
not
allocate
for
the
entire
year
as
as
opposed
to
doing
this
three
months,
and
it's
for
a
couple
of
reasons.
I
think
first
off,
you
all
have
the
ability
tony
made
that
clear
as
a
council
at
any
time
to
amend
the
budget
once
it's
passed,
whether
it's
the
next
council
meeting
and
the
council
meeting
after
that,
whenever
you
all
want
to
address
the
issue
of
you
know
what.
I
Want
to
make
in
the
police
budget,
or
otherwise
you
have
that
authority,
whether
that's
in
september
or
whether
that's
later
in
the
year,
whether
you
do
it
incrementally
or,
however
you
want
to
do
it.
You
have
that
authority.
I
think
the
reality
is,
you
are
not.
We
are
not
going
to
be
able-
and
I
guess
you
since
I'm
not
going
to
be
here,
are
going
to
are
not
going
to
be
able
to
make
significant
cuts
operationally
to
the
police
budget.
I
In
three
months
I
mean
it's
frankly
not
going
to
happen
and-
and
I
heard
a
lot
of
people
tonight-
you
know
calling
for
a
50
reduction,
but
but
there's
no
plan
behind
that
and-
and
I
don't
think
any
even
if
folks
would
like
to
view
that
as
an
aspirational
goal
in
terms
of
actually
implementing
that,
I
I
don't
think
any
responsible
manager
would
do
it,
and
I
I
don't
think
any
overall
council
would
would
want
to
do
that
again,
because
there's
no
plan
behind
you
to
figure
out
what's
going
to
come
next,
I
think
the
other
thing
that's
going
to
be
happening.
I
That
tony
talked
about
is
just
the
difficulty
that
staff
is
going
to
have
in
order
to
stagger
and
make
a
three-month
allocation,
as
opposed
to
a
year
allocation
work.
There's
a
lot
of
stuff
that
goes
on
behind
the
scenes
that
they
that
they
have
to
do
that.
That
is,
that
is
gonna.
You
know
it's
gonna
cause
them
to
spend
a
lot
of
staff
time
doing
it.
It's
gonna
be
a
lot
of
headaches
and,
and
the
big
problem
about
that
is,
they
have
a
lot
to
do,
and
you
have
a
lot
to
do.
I
You've
got
reparations
on
your
plate.
You've
got
the
vance
monument
on
your
plate.
You
got
a
fiscal
crisis.
You
got
a
pandemic.
You
got
to
deal
with
my
replacement.
You've
got
you've,
got
the
hotel
moratorium.
There's
a
lot
of
things
that
you
all
are
going
to
be
working
on.
I
You
know
without
having
the
need
to
to
have
a
budget
pass,
a
budget.
You
know
for
the
full
year
over
your
head
and
again
you
have
the
authority
and
you
have
the
ability
to
be
able
to
make
that
adjustment
at
any
point
in
time.
So
you
know
what
I
would
be
suggesting
to
you
all
and
what
I
would
be
in
support
of
is
to
actually
do
the
full
year
allocation
as
part
of
this
budget,
and
for
you
all.
I
You
know
to
still
do
the
you
know
the
the
the
deep
dive
into
the
police.
I
You
know
the
police
budget
as
deborah
laid
out
and
then
come
back
in
september
and
amend
the
budget,
then,
because
that
way,
you're
still
going
to
be
amending
the
budget,
you're
still
going
to
be
opening
it
up,
but
what
you
don't
have
there
is
that
risk
and
that
that
basically,
the
the
the
entire,
the
the
fear
and
the
possibility,
because
it's
been
a
crazy
year-
it's
been
a
crazy
two
and
a
half
years
since
I've
been
on
council.
I
You
don't
have
that
possibility
of
actually
having
asheville
city
government
shut
down
or
the
potential
for
a
deadlock
during
a
fiscal
crisis
and
during
a
pandemic.
So
I
I
don't
think
anybody
loses
anything
by
doing
a
full
year
allocation.
You
know,
I
think,
there's
a
commitment
here
on
this
council
from
every
one
of
you
to
seriously
look
at
the
police
department
budget
and
to
to
approach
this
in
good
faith.
But
you
know
I
I'm
not
comfortable
supporting
a
three-month
allocation.
I
I'm
not
councilman
haynes
said
he's
going
to
vote
against
this.
I
would
also
vote
against
this
for
different
reasons.
I
would
vote
for
a
full
year
allocation.
I
That's
that's
a
continuation
budget
with
with
again
the
expectation
that
you
all
will
be
taking
a
deep
dive
in
the
police
department
budget,
but
but
I
I
strongly
recommend
you
know
for
the
reasons
you
know
I've
laid
out
here
that
we
do
a
full
year
allocation
this
year
for
the
budget
as
opposed
to
doing
a
three-month
allocation.
R
Esther
I
could
interrupt
for
one
second,
I
just
received
a
text
from
someone
saying
that
they
were
still
waiting
in
the
queue
to
make
public
comment
on
the
budget.
I
don't
know
if
this
is.
C
R
C
I
you
know
I,
this
has
been
a
you
know,
a
process
we've
never
used
before
I
and
this
year,
as
I
mentioned
earlier
in
the
meeting
you
know
we
always
have
to
have
our
budget
adopted
before
before
the
july
1
fiscal
year
that
our
government
operates
on,
and
this
is
such
an
unusual
situation
where
I
think
we
really
really
wanted
to
be
responsive
to
the
community.
I
mean
we
were.
We
were
moving
along
with
our
budgeting
process,
which
takes
us
several
months.
C
As
you
all
know,
and
we
heard
a
presentation
in
march
where
we
were
all
together,
it's
kind
of
our
final
time
being
all
together
at
our
full
day,
retreat.
We
did
a
lot
of
work
and,
and
then
you
know
the
world,
the
things
have
obviously
changed
and
I
think
we,
as
a
council
and
deborah
campbell
as
a
manager,
is
trying
hard
to
figure
out
how
to
be
responsive
and
engaging
with
the
community
to
meet
these
demands
that
we're
hearing
now
and
we're
kind
of
fumbling
in
the
process
category.
C
I
don't
think
I
don't
think
there.
There
is
any
change
in
intention.
I
think
everyone
has,
you
know.
We
know
the
direction
we
need
to
move
in.
We
know
the
issues
around
transparency.
We
know
what
we'd
like
to
see.
I
think
there's
some
consensus
around
what
we
think
our
reimagining
of
the
police
department
should
look
like.
C
I
think
we
don't
know
what
the
timing
will
be
and
how
hard
and
how
long
that
will
take
to
implement
whether
it
will
happen
in
you
know,
phases.
You
know,
I
assume
it
will,
but
I
think
in
grasping
how
to
bring
along
the
staff
in
the
logistics
of
the
budgeting
process.
While
we
try
to
respond
to
the
community
has
tangled
us
up.
C
C
We
have
to
do
various
things
that
tony
explained
earlier
in
his
presentation
that
are
just
required
by
law
to
operate
a
city,
but
then
we're
trying
to
do
this
in
this
thing,
where
we
only
allocate
the
first
quarter
of
those
funds
which
will
require
further
council
action
to
fund
the
rest
of
the
departments
of
the
city,
I
mean
including
transit
and
planning
and
picking
up
the
garbage,
and
you
know
things
that
are
not
controversial
at
all.
C
C
So
I
I
I
you
know,
I
have
given
this
a
lot
of
thought.
I've
really
struggled
through
this
quite
a
bit.
C
It
may
be
an
increase
in
funding
in
other
areas
in
the
city
to
to
reallocate
those
services.
I
don't
know
exactly
what
that
will
look
like,
but
we
we
have
made
budget
amendments
in
the
past,
all
all
the
time
as
as
things
change
so
I
I
know
we
know
how
to
do
that.
So
I
I
feel
more
comfortable
with
that
process.
C
If
you
will,
you
know,
I
want
to
make
it
clear,
though,
that
I
mean
I
I'm
hearing
from
this
council
that
you're
100
committed
to
to
moving
in
a
new
direction
when
it
comes
to
traditional
policing-
and
you
know
this-
this
would
be
a
hard
thing
to
do
normally
in
any
way,
but
under
covid
and
the
restrictions
on
trying
to
meet
with
people
in
person
they're
incredibly
challenging.
C
I
mean
tomorrow,
I'm
meeting
with
some
pastors
and
we're
going
to
be
standing
around
in
a
parking
lot
to
try
to
have
a
conversation
with
maths
on
about
their
input
around
this
process.
So
I
mean
that
is
you
know
that
is
somewhat
hamstringing
us
for
sure.
So
anyway,.
AF
K
Yeah,
I
I
am
going
to
be
supportive
of
vj's
vj's
proposal
here
I
do.
I
will
I'm
completely
supportive
of
reimagining
public
safety
in
nashville
and-
and
I
do
believe
that
there
is
work
that
the
police
department's
doing
that
either.
Other
agencies
should
be
doing,
or
maybe
nobody
should
be
doing,
but
I
don't
know
what
that
is.
I
don't
know
the
extent
of
that,
and
I
don't
know
the
agencies
that
might
replace
that.
K
I
don't
know
the
legislative
hurdles
around
any
of
this
and
what
I
don't
want
to
do
is
get
to
the
end
of
september
and
not
have
these
answers
and
then
not
be
able
to
come
up
with
a
consensus
around
the
budget,
whereas
if
we
kind
of
do
it,
the
other
way
where
we
allocate,
we
allocate
the
funds,
but
we
continue
to.
We
continue
to
maintain
the
timeline
that
deborah
laid
out
in
her
30
90
30
60
90
day
plan
that
we
continue
to
be
committed
to
that
timeline.
K
We
can
continue
to
be
committed
to
the
community
engagement
piece
and
all
the
work
around
it
and
commit
to
as
soon
as
we
find
areas
that
make
sense
for
us
to
adjust
the
budget.
We
do
it,
we
do
and
we
do
it
in
pieces,
but
as
as
soon
as
we
come
up
with
those
ideas,
and
we
have
a
real
plan,
then
we
make
we
make
the
budget
changes,
but
I
just
don't
want
to
get
to
the
end
of
september
and
hit
a
cliff
with
all
the
other
things
that
we
have
on
our
plate.
R
I
C
I
D
K
Well,
I
do
feel
like
we,
we
did
speak
of
it
at
the
beginning
before
a
public
comment.
You
know
I
talked
about
this
idea
of
hitting
the
end
of
the
budget
cycle
and
we're
not
having
any
funding.
You
know
we
did
raise
the
question,
so
I
don't
feel
like.
C
Anybody
else
again
we're
not
voting
on
this
tonight.
We're
going
to
be
voting
to
recess
the
public
hearing
and
to
july
30.
F
Thank
you.
I
hear
the
concerns
of
the
other
crown
school
members.
I
do
not
share
those
same
concerns.
The
budget
that
has
been
laid
out
before
us
by
the
city
manager
states
how
the
allocations
will
be
done.
This
isn't
a
foregone
conclusion.
You
do
have
the
ability
to
vote
on
the
budget
in
two
days
from
now,
so
you
can
either
vote
up
or
down
on
that.
I
think
the
budget,
as
presented
by
the
city
manager,
is
what
we
will
be
voting
on.
F
F
The
concerns
are
real.
I
see
that,
but
also
we
are
in
unprecedented
times
and
what's
being
asked
of,
us
is
monumental
in
a
sense,
and
I
don't
believe
that
it
is
folly
going
into
this.
I
believe
it
is
courageous
of
us
to
take
on
this
matter.
I
believe
it's
courageous
of
us
to
show
that
we
have
the
ability
to
do
so.
I
put
faith
in
our
city
manager
to
be
able
to
handle
the
task
as
well
as
us
to
come
to
a
consensus
when
the
time
is
is
is
is
noted
to
do
so.
F
I
don't
believe
that
any
council
member
will
falter
or
lay
down
their
duty
to
do
what's
right
to
the
public
and
do
what's
right
for
the
operations
of
the
city.
I
myself
will
be
supporting
this
measure
in
two
days
from
now
and
believe
that
the
allocations
is
made
by
the
city
manager
can
move
forward.
I
believe
that
there
is
a
high
expectation
of
the
public
for
us
to
come
back
and
be
on
the
extreme
side.
F
However,
I
am
looking
at
this
with
a
pragmatic
view
that
we
can
come
to
a
consensus
on
how
to
move
forward
again.
I
appreciate
everybody's
concerns,
but
I'm
not
gonna
run
at
the
first
sign
of
of
of
danger,
and
I
don't
think
that's
what
this
is.
I
think
this
is
a
moment
for
us
to
stand
true
and
what
we
believe
in
and
to
show
that
we
are
resource
resourceful
and
that
each
and
every
one
of
us
brings
something
to
the
table.
F
That
shows
the
professionalism
that
each
of
each
each
and
every
one
of
us
are
here
for
a
reason.
There
are
many
people
on
this
council
who
have
extensive
backgrounds
and
all
sorts
of
things,
and
we
can
use
those
backgrounds
and
the
courage
that
it
took
to
get
here
to
press
forward.
So
I
will
be
supporting
this
and
I
have
faith
in
each
and
every
one
of
you
that
we
can
get
this
done.
C
C
While
we're
waiting
for
oh
julia,
okay,
can
you
hear
us?
I
can.
E
Is
that
better?
Yes,
sorry
about
that,
I
don't
know
why
that
happens.
So
I
hear
the
pragmatic
arguments
I
I
think
getting
to
that
point
in
september.
E
You
know
if
we're,
if
we
end
up
being
sort
of
deadlocked
on
a
candidate
to
replace
vj,
which
then
would
leave
us
potentially
deadlocked
on
on
on
a
budget.
That's
a
that's
a
terrible
place
to
be
you
know
I
would.
I
would
hope
that
we
would
be
able
to
keith,
as
you
suggest,
you
know,
sort
of
be
rational
at
that
point
and
and
allocate
out
a
little
bit
more.
So
I
hear
those
arguments
the
the
thing
that
gives
me
pause
is
you
know
somebody
gwen?
E
Maybe
you
described
it
as
a
cliff
I
mean
we
have
created
a
cliff
for
ourselves
and
and
cliffs
can
be
enormous
motivators
to
get
things
done,
and
I
I
I
do
worry
a
little
bit
that
removing
removing
that
cliff
would
would
at
least
give
the
impression
that
we're
not
serious
about
moving
forward
with
change
that
we're
not
we're
not
committed
to
that,
and
I
and
I
agree
with
everybody
else
here.
I
do
think
we
are
committed
to
doing
that.
E
We
don't
know
how
long
it
will
take.
We
do
know
there
are
lots
of
partners
out
there
in
the
community
that
will
help
us
but
again
sort
of
logistically
putting
all
of
those
things
in
place
in
this
short
period
of
time.
E
It's
going
to
be
challenging
for
sure.
So
I
yeah-
I
don't
know.
I
don't
know
where
I
come
down
on
this
right
now.
F
C
F
F
F
I
know
what
that
feels
like,
and
I
get
that
this
is
a
lot
of
pressure
for
a
lot
of
individuals,
but
I've
also
understood
that
throughout
my
life,
that
pressure
builds
diamonds,
pressure
makes
diamonds
pressure.
Tremendous
pressure
can
push
you
to
do
great
things
again
in
2015
before
I
got
here,
I
wasn't
expected
to
be
here
and
a
tremendous
amount
of
pressure
was
that
there
needed
to
be
a
voice
at
the
table,
and
I
understood
what
failure
was.
F
I
think
that
we
need
to
put
our
heads
down
press
through
the
work
rally
around
each
other
in
our
community
and
at
the
end
of
it,
come
out
with
a
product
that
you
you
got
to
understand
that,
no
matter
what
you
do,
no
matter
what
it
is,
you're
not
going
to
make
everybody
happy.
I
get
everybody
that
made
these
calls
tonight.
F
I
get
the
people
that
stop
me
and
talk
to
me
and
make
phone
calls
to
me
and
email
me
and
as
they
do,
every
other
council,
member
and
people
people
will
press
upon
you
the
importance
of
what
they
want
as
they
should
because
we
work
for
them.
But
at
the
same
time
you
have
to
also
understand
that,
in
a
role
of
leadership
which
we
all
are
in,
we
owe
it
to
them
to
put
our
best
effort
forward
and
not
turn
back
on.
F
F
I
am
absolutely
going
into
this
with
the
understanding
that
I
am
going
to
try
my
best
to
fulfill
my
commitment
to
this
community
with
the
absolute
understanding
that
I'm
not
going
to
make
100
of
the
people
happy
and
that's
just
something
that
I
have
to
live
with,
but
I
am
going
to
press
forward
and
try
to
do
it.
I
hope
that
each
and
every
one
of
you
will,
but
I
do
understand
if
you
have
some
reservations-
that's
it
for
me.
AG
So
I'm
kind
of
listening
to
the
comments
and
you
know
tonight
I
was
just
going
to
say
that
I
was
going
to
place
my
vote
in
favor
of
in
favor
of
this
contingency
budget.
AG
I
think
about
the
people
that
we're
doing
it
for
we're
doing
it,
for
people
who
have
had
insurmountable
odds
against
them
and
no
pathway
out-
and
it's
often
said
by
the
sea
of
allies,
who
are
probably
watching
right
now,
and
the
allies
who
are
occupying
these
elected
seats
that
we
will
never
know
the
experience
of
people
of
color
as
we
sit
here
in
this
decision
to
understand
that
things
don't
look
promising,
but
we
still
have
to
harness
hope
and
if
we
don't
have
anything
that
even
give
gives
us
a
glimmer
of
that
hope.
AG
We
have
to
really
dig
deep
and
be
determined
to
to
really
lean
into
this
moment,
because
we
may
never
ever
get
this
moment
again
and
it's
not
because
of
the
protest
and
it's
not
because
of
the
the
demands
it's
because
of
it.
It's
a
higher
calling
it's
it's
beyond
this
moment,
it's
beyond
now,
it's
honestly
beyond
us.
We
have
to
do
it
for
the
generation
for
the
generations
to
come,
and
we
have
to.
AG
We
have
to
stand
in
every
power
that
we
have
if
our
city
manager
is
going
out
on
a
limb
and
and
she's
still
new
to
us
and
probably
very
afraid,
to
step
out
and
take
on
this
challenge,
but
something
is
good
has
given
her
the
will
to
step
out.
So
I
think
we
should
follow
suit
with
that
same
mind
and
determination
again
to
do
it
for,
for
for
a
a
a
culture
of
people,
who've
never
had
anything
laid
out
for
them.
That's
why
we're
here?
That's
why?
That's
that's!
AG
Why
we're
here,
having
a
conversation
now
and
those
demands-
are
real,
they're,
literally
life
or
death.
AG
So
as
we
sit
here
in
our
ally
ship
or
we
sit
here
in
our
lived
experience,
this
is
a
time
that
we
have
to
work
in
harmony
to
really
make
it
happen,
and-
and
I
do
think
that
you
know
we'll
overcome-
I
don't
think
this
is
the
end
for
asheville.
I
don't
think
this
will
be
detrimental
to
our
future.
I
think
it'll
make
us
better.
I
Yeah
and
mayor
thanks
and
and
and
and
let
me
be
clear
here-
I
don't
think
anything
that
that
I'm
suggesting
here
takes
away
from
anything
that
either
councilman
young
said
or
councilwoman
smith
said.
I
think
the
intention
here
is
is
exactly
to
do
those
things.
What
I
am
saying
to
you
as
someone
who
has
worked-
and
I
know
it
sounds
pragmatic
right
and
it
sounds
kind
of
like
all
right.
Well,
you
know
you
know
it's.
It's.
S
I
You
will
allow
your
staff,
you
will
free
your
staff
to
be
able
to
focus
on
those
things
to
implement
them,
so
that
the
folks
that
you
want
to
get
that
relief
and
to
get
that
benefit
we'll
get
it
faster
right,
they'll
be
able
to
focus
on
this.
I
I
do
not
want
to
underestimate,
and
maybe
you
know
I
don't
want
to
bring
the
city
manager
into
this.
I
This
is
a
council
discussion,
but
maybe
it
would
be
helpful
to
hear
what
this
has
been
like
for
the
first
month
just
trying
the
amount
of
time
staff
has
had
to
spend-
and
I
know
that
sounds
kind
of
boring
to
us
right.
You
know
but
they're
the
ones
that
got
to
operationalize
it
right,
they're,
the
ones
that
have
got
to
set
the
budgets
and
if
their
heads
are
spent
over
there,
every
minute
they're
spent
trying
to
figure
out.
I
This
is
one
minute
less:
they
can
spend
on
reparations
right,
it's
one
minute,
less
that
they
can
spend
on.
You
know,
affordable
housing,
that
time
is
real
and
and
it
creates
an
enormous
burden
on
them
in
order
again,
with
the
goal
being
to
implement
the
very
things
that
you
want
to
do
so
so
again
I
mean
that
is
my.
I
K
Yeah
I
mean
I,
as
I
said
before,
am
fully
with
reimagining
the
public
safety
in
this
city
and
I'm
fully
committed
to
deborah's
plan
with
public
engagement
and
decision
making
around
around
that
work
around
the
police
department.
Absolutely.
But
I
I
believe
that
I
believe
that
that
work
can
be
done
more
efficiently.
K
If
we
do
if
we
are
operate,
if
all
the
other
departments
are
operating
normally
and
then
we
look
strictly
at,
we
really
focus
our
efforts
on
the
police
department
and
we,
we
aren't
spending
time
figuring
out
whether
we
can
spend
another
nickel
this
month,
because
we
we
do
or
do
not
have
the
budget.
I
mean
it's,
it's
just
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
time.
I
mean
to
put
a
budget
together.
K
Any
budget,
even
a
three-month
budget
is
mon,
is
a
lot
of
time
spent
and
it's
not
just
the
budget
department,
it's
it's
every
department
and
what
I
want
them
to
be
focusing
on,
rather
than
figuring
out
whether
this
ten
dollars
goes
in
the
month
of
september
or
august.
I
want
them
spending
it
on.
How
can
we
reimagine
the
police
department
and
bringing
all
those
other
departments
into
the
discussion
so
that
we
can
get
that
work
done
faster
and
more
effectively.
C
F
I
think
there's
a
there's,
a
clear
pathway
that
you
know
you
have
a
few
council
members
that
want
to
go
one
direction
with
the
allocation
of
the
budget
and
you
have
a
budget
that's
been
laid
out
before
us.
I
think
that's
not
gonna
what
the
budget
that's
before
us
isn't
gonna
change
between
now
when
we
actually
vote
on
it
two
days
from
now
on
thursday.
So
if
council
members
have
a
certain
way,
they
want
to
go
with
the
allocation.
F
I
Or
we
just
give
four
nods
today
because
we
do
have
a
continuation
budget.
If
there's
four
nods
here
that
say
we
want
to
change
it.
I
think
staff
could
do
that
in
two
days
I
mean
we've
changed
our
minds.
We've
we've
had
things
that
have
come
before
us.
God
knows
about
a
few
of
them
right
that
were
supposed
to
happen
and
that
we
changed
our
mind
on
the
dais.
I
K
I
mean
you
know,
I
think
what
you'd
go
back
to
is
the
the
city
manager's
budget
that
was
presented.
The
continuation
budget
that
was
presented
to
us
at
the
end
of
may
is
what
I
would
be
proposing.
C
K
It
is
the
issue
of
the
allocation,
but
it's
a
question
of
the
you
know
what
keith
is.
I
believe
what
he's
saying
I'm
not
trying
to
speak
for
him
is
that,
rather
than
the
unallocated
pot
of
money
being
just
placed
in
as
a
placeholder,
what
I
would
be
proposing
is
we
we
go
back
to
the.
C
Right,
that's
yeah!
That's
what
I
understood
is
the
it's
the
same
budget
and
that
we
saw
in
may,
as
we
see
right
now.
Isn't
that
correct
we're
all
we're
talking
about
is
the
difference
in
the
allocation?
Okay.
So
because
gwen,
I
think
it's
a
little
confusing
to
say
we
go
back
to
this
budget
like
somehow
it's
a
different
budget,
we're
just
talking
about
a
difference
in
allocation.
E
So
I
have
a
question
that
maybe
gets
at
a
middle
ground
that
could
try
to
address
both
both
sides
of
this
concern.
E
That
is,
that
is
all
the
work
that
we're
going
to
be
doing
between
now
and
september,
to
try
to
figure
out
what
can
what
can
be
divested
and
from
the
police
and
reinvested
somewhere
else
and
so
kind
of
to
gwen's
point
I
mean
do
we
need
do
we
need
to
hold
all
of
the
other
departments
hostage
for
that
budget,
or
can
we
would
it
be
possible
to
allocate
out
everybody
else's
budget
except
the
police
budget,
and
I
just
I'm
again,
I'm
reluctant
to
I'm
reluctant
to
to
to
completely
get
ourselves
off
of
this
cliff,
because
I
think
that
pressure.
E
I
think
that
pressure
is
important.
I
think
it's,
I
think
I
think
it's
important
for
us.
I
think
it's,
it's
extremely
important
for
the
public
to
to
know
that
we're
still
holding
ourselves
to
that.
So
that's
my
question
is:
can
we
can
we
do?
Can
we
do
both.
B
Our
art,
this
is
deborah,
miss
michael,
are
you
asking
to
have
all
of
the
other
departments
allocated
for
the
entire
fiscal
year
and
only
have
police
budgeted
for
three
months,
because.
E
E
Yes,
yes,
yes
of
course,
of
course,
yes,
that
that
is,
that
is
my
question
is
whether
whether
we
can
do
that,
because
you
know
again,
we
the
clip
is
important,
but
you
know
it's
not.
E
B
B
Yeah
and
with
that
clarity
out
that
tony
I
I
will
just
go
on
the
limb
and
say
yes,
we
could
but
go
ahead.
S
E
All
right
so
then,
let
me
ask
if
it's
legally
possible
to
do
that.
Let
me
ask
the
opinion
of
whoever
would
like
to
answer
this
tony
deborah
e.j
gwen,
esther
keith.
Anybody
is
that
a
good
idea
is
that
a
good
is
that
a
is
that
a
a
middle
ground
that
anybody
finds
attractive
yeah,
that's
my
question.
F
I
would
come
in
and
say
I
wouldn't
answer
anything
without
you
know
we're
going
to
do
a
total
180
without
the
comments
of
the
public.
I
don't
think
it
would
be
genuine
for
us
to
have
this
conversation
after
we've
cut
off
public
comment
on
something
that
they
weren't,
even
aware
of
and
to
make
that
change
without
having
their
input
would
be
extremely
disingenuous.
So
I
wouldn't
even
fail
to
even
answer
that.
I
I
That's
what
I
think
you're
doing
and
and
respectfully
I
mean
I
look
guys-
I'm
not
going
to
be
here
on
this,
but
I
I
think
all
you
guys
are
doing
is
you're
setting
yourself
up
for
the
same
thing
over
again,
you're
gonna,
you're
gonna,
completely
you're
gonna
completely
put
staff
in
a
terrible
spot.
If
I
were
deborah,
you
know
she's
an
excellent
manager
over
here
and
she's
she's
held
her
composure
here.
I'd
be
on
my
way
out.
I
honestly
would
be,
and
so
I
mean
that's
me
saying
it.
I
That's
just
me
me
being
blunt
about
this,
but
I
want
you
guys
to
know
how
difficult
that
is
going
to
be
for
staff
and
how
how
how
how
much
you
are
going
to
lose
with
all
the
other
things
that
you
want
to
get
done.
I'm
sorry
to
say
it
that
bluntly,
but,
but
I
mean
all
you're
gonna
be
doing,
is,
is
kicking.
This
can
down
the
road
instead
of
implementing
the
stuff.
You
need
to
be
implementing
sorry
to
be
so
blunt
about
it.
C
C
C
Yes,
yeah,
I'm
asking
so
you
know
you're
hearing
tonight,
you're
hearing,
okay,
what
we
have
on
the
table
as
proposed
is
a
full
year
budget
with
an
allocation
of
the
first
three
months.
What
if
we
do,
what
if
we
do,
the
annual
budget
with
a
full
up
with
a
12-month
allocation?
What
if
we
do
an
annual
budget
with
a
12-month
allocation
for
all
departments
but
apd?
C
I
guess
I'm
asking
you
if,
if
we
don't
have
consensus
around
that,
the
second,
if
we
have
consensus
around
one
of
those
options
in
two
days,
then
is
there
any
technical
reason?
Why
whatever
option
garners
four
votes,
or
at
least
four
votes
could
couldn't
be
adopted
from
it?
I'm
asking
from
a
technical
standpoint
like
from
a.
B
B
I'm
sorry,
I
muted
myself
to
provide
us
with
the
direction
to
provide
you
with
the
action
that
you
will
take
and
we
do
need
a
budget
ordinance
and,
most
importantly
again,
we
have
to
have
a
budget
adopted
by
august
1st
in
order
for
us
to
sit
at
a
tax
rate
that
is
legally
required,
that's
the
biggest
obstacle
and
hurdle
right
now
in
terms
of
a
timeline
and
a
deadline.
B
B
S
I
think
so
yeah
one
is
a
what's
on
the
what
was
in
the
ordinance
tonight.
One
is
a
slightly
different
ordinance
that
would
just
be
police
for
three
months
and
all
the
other
departments
for
a
full
year
and
then
a
third
one
would
be
a
full-year
funding
for
all
departments,
including
police.
B
C
Motion
in
a
second
all
right,
I'm
gonna
do
a
roll
call
vote.
Vice
mayor,
whistler,.
H
H
C
Councilwoman
smith,
aye
councilman,
young
and
myself
as
mayor
hi,
we
have
no
new
business
items
and
we
are
to
the
informal
discussion
in
public
comment
moment
of
the
agenda.
C
Okay
staff
will
now
connect
us
to
live
callers
from
our
speaker,
q,
for
informal
discussion
and
public
comment.
Again,
we
are
only
taking
callers
who
signed
up
in
advance
callers.
You
will
first
hear
staff
informed
counsel
that
you
are
next
to
speak.
Then
you
will
hear
an
automated
message,
letting
you
know
you
are
unmuted
and
live
in
the
meeting.
You
may
begin
speaking
after
the
automated
message,
if
you
accidentally
drop
out
of
the
speaker,
queue
just
redial
the
number
and
meeting
code
and
press
star
3
to
rejoin
the
speaker
queue
folks.
C
N
I
think
I
lived
in
nashville
for
seven
years
and
I
just
wanted
a
comment
that
you
all
had
talked
about
or
other
callers
that
talked
about
like
when
this
had
started.
So
the
defending
of
police
did
not
start
june
30th
when
you
all
had
when
largely
the
public
had
requested.
For
that
to
happen,
it
actually
started
way
before
then.
I
just
want
to
pause
for
a
moment
to
see
you
all
asking
in
your
own
head
city,
council,
members
and
mayor
when
this
did
happen.
N
N
It
was
before
that
when
there
was
when
people
started
to
ask
like
I
just,
I
can't
express
enough
that
this
isn't
new
and
you
did
not
understand
how
angry
people
are
in
asheville
because
of
this
julie
mayfield.
I
cannot
believe
the
words
that
you
spoke.
They
were
literally
unbelievable
to
me
condescending
completely
inappropriate
about
the
police.
This
has
been
happening
in
asheville
for
a
long
time,
a
long,
long
time,
so
violence
against
people
of
color
and
poor
people
in
general.
N
So
I
just
want
to
note
that
this
is
nothing
new
and
we're
in
an
emergency.
The
emergency
has
been
the
inappropriate
use
of
force
by
police
who,
as
a
federal
institute
like
across
the
america,
are
institutionally
racist.
There's
no
question
about
it
and
there's
no
question
that
the
asheville
police
is
the
same
thing.
It
was
founded
on
the
same
principle.
A
police
department
is
there
to
support
white
supremacy
period.
N
That
is
the
foundation
of
it.
Do
they
do
other
things?
Yes
and
that's
optics?
It
can
be
used
as
obvious.
It
has
been
used
as
optics,
so
I
just
want
to
express
that
we
have
been
in
an
emergency
as
a
nation
for
a
long
time
around
the
oppression
and
the
violence
against
black
people,
and
do
you
have
to
hear
you
say
things
like
just
all
of
the
pushback
against
defunding
the
police?
N
It's
it
is
an
emergency
and
that's
what
you're
hearing
from
the
people.
So
please
treat
it
as
that,
and
I
don't
know
how
consciously
you
could
do
any
anything.
Otherwise
I'll
say
personally,
my
experience
with
the
police
has
been
open.
N
It's
been
almost
60
days
since
the
proposition
was
raised,
and
none
of
you
have
spoken
on
what
it
amended
budget
would
even
look
like
if
you
were
to
make
the
cuts
we're
asking
for
every
time
you
mention
your
30
60
90
day
plan.
It
conveniently
leaves
out
the
defunding
of
the
apd
even
tonight
on
the
budget
movement.
You
left
out
the
demand
on
my
first
city
council
call.
I
heard
the
mayor
say
that
she
was
thrilled
by
the
amount
of
community
engagement
she
was
seeing
and
that
she
hoped
it
would
continue.
Well,
it
has
continued.
N
The
community
is
speaking
and
you're,
quite
frankly,
ignoring
us
and
on
top
of
that,
making
it
harder
for
people
to
call
in
to
speak
on
these
meetings.
The
move
to
make
people
have
to
register
in
advance
is
a
suppression
tactic
that
is
in
line
with
the
voter
suppression
that
we've
seen
throughout
america's
history.
N
I
look
forward
to
the
day
that
we
can
convene
in
person
again
at
these
meetings,
because
it'll
be
harder
for
you
to
ignore
us.
We
know
that
you're
hoping
that
we'll
give
up,
but
I
can
assure
you
we
will
not
we're
going
to
keep
calling
keep
organizing
keep
protesting
and
keep
taking
care
of
each
other
where
you
lack
the
ability
to
do
so.
N
I've
been
invigorated
watching
our
community
become
radicalized
and
invested
in
politics,
and
you
should
be
too
we've
been
hosting
and
engaging
in
budgeting
workshops,
hosting
meetings
between
the
police
and
leaders
in
our
community,
such
as
the
members
of
the
rjc
and
the
blue
ridge,
public
radio
we've
been
making
art
and
holding
rallies,
feeding
each
other
and
standing
and
dancing
in
solidarity
with
each
other.
Our
community
is
not
going
to
back
down
anytime
soon.
N
But
I
think
the
least
you
can
do
in
an
inter-rim
budget.
If
that's,
what
you're
going
to
do
is
go
ahead
and
make
the
cuts
that
we
are
asking
for
what
is
the
worst?
That
can
happen.
The
worst
that
can
happen
is
that
you
see
that
defunding,
the
police
is
the
answer
and
you
start
to
see
the
community
grow
stronger,
because
we
trust
you
and
because
we
are
then
putting
forth
these
these
places
that
need
that
funding.
M
I
I
have
some
serious
problems
with
the
the
entire
processes
that
have
been.
L
L
Amounts
to
censorship.
It's
it's
pretty
damning
that
you
can
just
decide
at
the
drop
of
a
hat
that
that
is
what's
gonna.
Do
what
you're
gonna
do
without
consulting
what
appears
to
be
the
rest
of
the
council,
definitely
without
consulting
the
public.
L
At
this
point,
I
have
heard
no
motions
to
change
the
procedures
there,
so
I
would
like
a
direct
answer
as
to
where
those
are
coming
from.
Additionally,
the
appointment
to
the
seat
of
the
resigning
council
person
is
is.
M
Pretty
disgusting,
I
understand
that
that
is
what
is
in
the
charter
at
the
moment.
I
would
like
you
all
to
look
into
ways
to
amend
that
charter,
because
the
idea
of
having
an
unelected
representative
has
a
large
percentage
of
city
council.
L
For
about
two
years
is
pretty
undemocratic.
N
It
is,
we
do
have
provisions.
L
In
order
to
recall
our
elected
officials,
I
think
if
we
end
up
with
an
appointment
for
that
position,
that
is
undemocratically
decided.
That
is
something
we
need
to
look
into.
Additionally,
if
we
don't
see
action
taking
to
defund
the
police,
to
invest
in
our
communities
and,
quite
frankly,
to
do
some
sort
of
relief
regarding
our
eminent
housing
crisis,
I
would
suggest
that
we
look.
L
It's
pretty
damning
that
I
haven't
heard
anything
from
you
all
in
the
larger
council
meeting
about
your
coming
plans.
Your
plans
for
a
coming
housing
crisis.
You
talk
about.
Well,
we
need
to
keep
these
people
on
the
police
force.
Take
that
money
out
of
there
we're
going
to
need
it
in
a
month.
I
guarantee
you
if
you're
curious
about
where
you
can
cut
things,
you
can
decriminalize
drugs,
you
can
decriminalize
poverty
crimes
effects
work.
We
really
do
not
need
that
in
our
community.
L
D
L
L
L
Is
sitting
on
that
council
at
this
point,
so
I
think
in
the
future,
if
you're
going
to
amend
these
processes,
we
need
some
transparency
with
that
mayor
esther.
You
spoke
about
the
need
for
transparency.
Earlier,
that's
a
very
easy
place
to
start
when
you
announce.
M
L
N
Council,
I'm
very
without
words
of
what
just
happened.
I
completely
cannot
comprehend
why
you
chose
to
have
this
conversation
after
the
public
hearing
about
this
completely
separate
idea.
Councilman
kapoor,
you
said
you
would
be
on
your
way
out.
You
are
on
your
way
out
so
to
toss
this
ball
at
the
end
of
public
hearing
and
then
council
person
whistler
to
hear
you
say
what
we
do
is
just
go
back
to
the
may.
N
The
may
budget,
so
the
message
you're
giving
is
that
this
entire
june
two
months
has
just
been
a
show,
and
so
what
I
was
planning
to
talk
about
and
what
I'm
feeling
in
my
body
right
now
from
this
show
that
just
happened
is
astounding.
To
me.
The
way
that
public
comment
has
been
changing
is
also
like.
We
ended
very
late
at
night,
the
last
meeting
with
that
we
were
going
to
be
in
person
for
this
meeting,
and
then
you
switch
back.
N
Thank
you
to
us
being
able
to
interact
virtually,
and
I
would
actually
hope
that
you're
learning
that
the
caller
said
earlier,
they're,
looking
forward
to
being
in
person
there
together
and
also.
I
know
that
there's
families
that
are
able
to
participate
because
they
can
put
their
kids
to
bed
and
they're
not
sitting
in
the
chamber,
so
they
can
actually
still
call
in.
N
So
I
would
hope
we're
learning
some
things
about
how
democracy
works,
to
practice
them,
but
but
again,
to
see
that
move
that,
after
the
I
just
okay,
I'm
going
to
stay
focused
the
changing.
I
I
also
I
do
want
to
really
appreciate
the
extra
detail
that
was
given
around
how
the
community
engagement
process
is
working.
N
The
giving
showing
names
of
who's
involved,
showing
the
comments
that
are
coming
out
of
it
gives
us
a
lot
more
understanding
of
what
you're
actually
doing.
Besides
just
saying
that
we're
doing
this
behind
these
doors
and
to
trust
us
y'all,
we
don't
trust
you,
no
matter
how
good
in
your
hearts
and
you
feel
like
you're
doing
and
you're
directing
in
the
direction
that
folks
are
asking
you
to
and
you're.
I
appreciate
that
you're
being
thoughtful
about
this,
and
if
we
don't
see
the
specifics,
we
can't
know
so.
N
I
I
appreciate
that
some
of
the
specifics
were
given,
but
I'm
really
struggling
with
this
idea
that,
like
just
like
that
you're
gonna
change
things
and
and
not
make
space
for
what
the
public
has
to
say
and
yeah.
N
Because
if,
if
things
can
change
this
quickly
and
this
dramatically,
what
is
motivating
you
to
stay
in
the
fire
to
actually
make
some
concrete?
I
hear
people
that
we've
been
again
asking
for
years
for
this
defunding
of
the
police
in
some
way
to
happen,
and
so
that
there's
potentially
some
actual
movement
and
then
the
back
step
is
is
the
way
things
are
done
as
business
as
usual,
and
so
I
really
pray
that
y'all
are
not
going
to
move
forward
with
business
as
usual.
This
time,
thanks.
AB
Is
josh
katz.
D
N
A
lifelong
resident
of
asheville
north
carolina
tonight
it
kind
of
made
clear
that
you
guys-
or
at
least
the
majority
of
people
on
council,
don't
really
care
that
much
about
your
constituents,
and
this
became
apparent
to
me
really
when
I
was
taking
the
survey
over
the
hotel
moratorium
that
you
guys
provide
the
public
to
take
which,
if
you
haven't
taken,
I
highly
suggest
you
give
your
input.
But
basically
you
know
I've
been
driving
around
the
city
and.
N
The
city
really
desperately
wants
to
keep
this
beautiful
facade
that
were
a
progressive,
beautiful,
welcoming
city.
I
think
that
was
apparent
with
you
know
your
comments
in
the
last
meeting
regarding
reparations,
but
you
know
I
was
noticing
you
know
roads
and
infrastructure
and
residential
neighborhoods,
or
you
know,
they're
full
potholes
and
a
lot
of
them
in
disrepair.
N
Why?
Because
the
tourists
don't
venture
into
these
areas.
So
why
should
the
city
care?
But
you
know
without
your
residence
and
the
service
and
hospitality
industry,
the
city
of
asheville,
would
would
crumble.
N
You
know,
I,
I
think
it's
clear
and
obvious
that
all
of
you
need
to
listen.
When
we
tell
you
what
we
want.
You
keep
saying
that
oh
well,
this
takes
time
to
plan
this
and
that
you
know
we
don't
know
exactly
how
we're
gonna
go
about
doing
this.
We've
been
giving
you
guys,
suggestions
and
ideas
for
the
past
three
months
and
to
me
this
entire
meeting
just
came
off
as
oh
well,
we
haven't
really
been
working
on
our
end
to
do
any
research
or
figure
out
how
we
can
approach
approach
the
budget.
N
Z
Hi
there,
this.
N
AA
N
Hi,
I
am
a
lifetime
citizen
of
asheville,
I'm
a
small
business
owner
and
like
pretty
much
everyone
else
calling
today,
I'm
calling
in
full
support
of
black
asheville
demand
and
the
demand
to
define
the
police
department
by
at
least
50
percent.
Listening
to
this
meeting
has
been
really
disappointing.
It
seems
that
the
mayor
and
much
of
the
council
are
not
actually
committed
to
financially
supporting
the
black
community,
but
just
making
empty
gestures
while
continuing
with
gentrification
projects
and
over
policing,
rather
than
making
tangible
changes.
N
N
It
it
wasn't
even
new
when
this
started
and
the
demand
is.
N
I
keep
hearing
terms
like
community
outreach
and
reimagining
and
transforming
policing,
but
that
is
just
rebranding
policing
under
a
different
name.
Policing
is
a
racist
institution
and
it
is
beyond
reform.
Policing
does
not
equal
public
safety,
it
causes
more
harm,
causes,
intimidation
and
violence
and
incarceration,
especially
the
black
communities.
The
police
didn't
keep
johnny
rush.
Q
N
There
are
so
many
social
programs
there's
the
rjc,
there's
beloved,
there's
so
many
programs
that
could
do
amazing
things
with
the
level
of
funding
that
we
pour
into
the
police
department.
So
when
you
say
you
don't
know
what
I
hear
is
that
you're
not
looking
that
hard
and
additionally,
that
money
needs
to
go
directly
to
the
black
community
in
the
form
of
monetary
reparations
to
black
citizens,
not
just
social
programs.
V
Police
department
would
be
a
sign
of
good
faith
that
y'all
are
serious
about
making
the
changes
to
defunding
and
reinvent
reinvesting
in
you.
N
Than
you
think
you
are
that
you
say
that
you
are
and
would
be
a
good
step
in
you
know
proven
that
you're
serious
about
changing
the
actual
police
department's
budget.
I
don't
want
to
speak
for
everybody,
but
that's
what
I'm
thinking
and
I
want
to
also
then,
thank
you
all
for
these
virtual
meetings.
I
think
it
makes
us
much
more
accessible
and
thank
you
for
allowing
two
hours
of
talk,
two
hours,
plus
a
talk
on
the
budget
hearing,
so
thank
you
all
for
I
think
that's
a
good
good
thing.
N
I
wish
that
vijay's
resignation
and
replacement
was
on
the
published
agenda.
It
was
discussed
during
the
it
was
just
discussed
during
the
consent
agenda,
but
if
it,
if
I
had
known
about
it,
we
could
have
made
comments
during
that
section,
urging
you
all
to
make
the
democrat
make
a
democratic
choice
and
hold
an
election.
N
N
N
I
want
to
know
what
what
happened
to
the
the
proposed
ban
on
tear
gas
or
crowd
suppression
techniques,
and
I
think
now
more
than
ever,
it
would
be
powerful
to
make
a
statement
to
say
that
we
do
not
allow
military
in
asheville
to
attack
our
citizens.
So
if
statement
and
a
ban
from
y'all
would,
I
think,
be
very
powerful
and
timely.
Z
Hi
hello,
my
name
is
vanessa
noeck
and
I'm
an
asheville
city,
local,
calling
today
to
make
a
general
comment
on
how,
although
the
intentions
of
shrouding
and
ultimately,
hopefully
tearing
down
the
vance
monument,
are
good,
I
simply
don't
understand
what
is
taking
so
long
to
actually
tear
it
down.
I
understand
that
the
vans
monument
task
force
is
in
progress,
which
I
respect
the
idea
behind
it,
but
let's
just
take
the
eyesore.
Z
That
is
the
advanced
monument
down
already
the
murals
around
it
are
beautiful,
but
to
have
it
still
standing
and
casting
a
shadow
over
black
lives
matter
is
a
shame
and
downright
disrespectful.
Also,
I'm
very
pleased
to
hear
that
the
council
voted
on
reparations
for
the
black
communities
in
asheville.
Again,
the
intention
is
nice
and
all,
but
until
we
have
actual
change-
and
there
is
complete
transparency
on
how
these
funds
will
be
distributed
for
the
betterment
of
black
and
people
of
color
communities,
we
will
not
be
appeased
and
we
will
not
back
down
next.
Z
I
want
to
bring
attention
to
the
fact
that,
even
if
the
vance
monument
gets
removed
removed
and
even
if
the
reparations
actually
come
into
fruition,
I
am
not
asking,
but
rather
demanding
that
the
asheville
police
department
be
defunded
and
that
the
officers
attack
protesters
with
tear
gas
may
31st
2020
to
june
3rd
2020
and
destroy
the
protester
run
medical
triage
station
on
june
3rd
2020.
They
be
held
accountable.
Z
I
want
the
apb
defunded
and
have
the
excess
of
funds
that
the
police
department
wastes
on
things
like
tear,
gassing
their
neighbors
and
new
cars
and
assault
weapons.
Instead,
I
want
that
money
to
be
reallocated
into
the
community,
particularly
in
the
equity
and
inclusion,
inclusion
department
and
the
non-departmental
community
and
resident
services,
and
just
definitely
back
into
the
black
communities
and
person
of
color
communities
the
comments
that
were
made
by
councilwoman
mayfield.
AB
Hello,
I
would
like
to
open
with
the
acknowledgement
that
we
are
on
the
stolen
unseated
and
traditional
lands
of
the
cherokee
people
named
tokyo
or
the
place
where
they
race,
before
being
called
asheville
by
colonizers.
First
off.
I
would
like
to
respectfully
disagree
with
the
notion
that
issues
regarding
racial
injustice
are
quote
unquote.
Complicated
the
power
giant
power
dynamics
between
racialized
communities
are
very
clear.
AB
When
discussing
and
answering
questions
regarding
operations
and
what
operations
should
look
like
black
community
members
should
be
the
only
quote-unquote
sides
considered
in
such
a
conversation
with.
That
said,
I
weigh
in
with
the
full
support
of
actual
black
demands
and
reiterate
and
request
that
the
apd
is
demilitarized
as
well
as
defunded
by
at
least
50
percent,
and
that
the
funds
be
reallocated
towards
housing
and
education.
Transportation,
reparations
for
for
asheville's
black
community
members
that'll
be
a
meaningful
first
step
towards
reconciliation,
rather
than
the
performative
rhetoric
being
consistently
repeated
back
by
the
council
members.
AB
N
N
So
you
can
take
my
comments
with
that
perspective
in
mind.
My
first
question
is
that
it's
not
entirely
clear
to
me
and
perhaps
the
city
attorney.
N
I
understand
the
desire
to
have
someone
available
to
break
a
tie
or
a
deadlock,
but
in
the
interests
of
democratic
representation,
I
think
there's
an
argument
to
be
made
for
the
opportunity
to
wait
for
an
upcoming
election.
We
have
when
we
will
have
a
runner-up,
the
fourth
place
vote
getter
in
that
upcoming
election
and
that
that
might
make
the
single
most
acceptable
appointment
for
the
vacancy
that's
forthcoming.
N
With
that
in
mind,
I
would
like
to
offer
the
suggestion
to
others
who
may
also
be
applying
for
this
vacancy,
and
I'm
prepared
to
should
should
council
agree
that
it
would
be
a
good
idea
to
appoint
whoever
the
fourth
vote.
Getter
is
in
november,
and
if
the
city
attorney
believes
that
we
need
to
move
in
an
expeditious
fashion
to
have
someone
sooner,
I
would
be
happy
to
take
an
oath
saying
that,
should
I
be
appointed
to
that
feat,
I
would
resign
in
and
if
council
would
commit
to
appointing
whoever
is
the
full
fourth
vote.
N
N
Kimroni
here
calling
in
solidarity
with
intergenerational
black
leadership
and
black
abl
demands
coalition,
I'm
concerned
that
we're
watching
a
budget
process
for
maintenance
of
status
quo,
while
we
have
emergencies
at
hand,
coveted
19,
pandemic,
systemic
racism,
economic
instability
and
climate
change.
Speaking
from
experience,
after
six
years
of
budget
advocacy
in
these
council
meetings
with
a
growing
chorus
of
neighbors,
the
request
to
divest
from
apd
and
systemic
racism,
so
we
can
invest
in
community
are
not
new
this
year,
since
the
city
is
again
requesting
free
work
through
volunteer
efforts
on
the
commission
that
can
be
ignored.
N
I
ask
you
to
consider
two
supports
for
the
commission
on
reparations.
One
consider
structuring
an
rfp
to
hire
consultants
for
an
equity
audit
of
our
entire
city
budget
seeking
consultants
with
lived
and
professional
experience
on
local
equity
issues,
such
as
the
state
of
black
asheville
report,
the
impact
of
urban
renewal
and
redlining
racial
disparities
in
our
schools
and
investment
in
black
business
and
historic
black
neighborhood
plans
like
shiloh
and
burton
street,
and
two.
N
If
we're
going
to
be
serious
about
equity
in
our
budget,
planning
and
policies
are
reminded,
empowering
the
office
of
equity
and
inclusion
looks
like
having
the
office
report
directly
to
council
to
allow
oversight
of
city
managers
to
the
attorney
and
city
clerk
offices.
We're
asking
you
to
stop
creating
this
cliff
you're
on
to
stop
grasping
at
power
and
instead
empower
the
resourceful
people
of
asheville's
public
engagement,
including
protecting
ability
for
voters
to
let
representatives
hosting
massive
community
outreach
on
transforming
public
safety
and
destroy
budgeting
for
deferred
community
dreams
and
solutions.
N
Lastly,
as
a
matter
of
procedure,
I
am
disappointed
that
we
see
more
barriers
for
public
engagement,
including
advanced
sign
up
for
calls
and
further
limiting
time
to
speak
in
public
comment.
I
know
these
meetings
are
wrong.
I
have
faith
in
you.
Asheville
can
and
should
be
better,
so
keep
pushing
keep
learning
and
keep
listening
to
what
is
possible.
Thank
you.
P
N
Solidarity
with
the
black
asheville
demand.
I
was
just
out
in
the
streets
marching
with
people
who
are
extremely
frustrated
because
they're
not
being
heard.
As
many
people
have
said,
we
can
see
that
public
comment
is
becoming
less
accessible.
In
fact,
I
registered
for
making
public
comment
on
the
budget
and.
P
P
I
remember
to
have
deborah
say
that
she
doesn't
understand
why
people
don't
trust
you
all.
It's
so
clear.
Why
there's?
No
trust,
because
you
don't
deserve
trust,
and
I
would
also
just
like
to
reiterate
what
so
many
people
have
said
about
julian
mayfield's
comment
telling
us
that
we
don't
understand
what
we're
asking
for.
Of
course,
we
understand
what
we're
asking
for
it's,
not
that
we're
not
smart
enough
to
understand
this.
P
P
P
Yes,
we
can
hear
you
all
right.
I'm
calling
about
banning
the
use
of
tear
gas
in
the
apd
using
chemical
weapons
on
citizens,
including
peaceful
protesters,
is
a
disgusting
abuse
of
power
and
banning
tear
gas
is
a
lasting
change.
I
know
that
was
said
earlier,
that
it
wasn't,
but
if
police
do
cr
create
other
ways
to
hurt
people
after
this,
then
they
can
be
held
accountable
for
that
as
well.
P
P
Okay,
thank
you,
hi,
council,
I'm
calling
again,
I
was
going
to
finish
my
comments
that
were
cut
off
earlier,
but
I
want
to
shift
in
a
different
direction
because
I'm
just
very
concerned
about
the
comments
that
I
heard
in
regards
to
possibly
just
going
back
to
the
original
budget.
You
know
we
haven't
been
doing
this
work
just
to
have
more
of
the
same.
We've
already
been
delayed
as
it
is,
and,
first
of
all,
I
definitely
think
that
we
need
to
have
a
special
election
for
vijay's
feet.
P
I
think
it's
ridiculous
for
him
to
say
that
that
we're
taking
time
away
from
reparations
by
spending
time
on
reducing
asheville
police's
budget,
which
is
actually
like
the
reparation
that
the
community
is
demanding.
I
also
know
that
a
budgeting
process
as
a
former
accountant
takes
about
three
months
of
time,
so
this
is
absolutely
feasible.
P
I
I'm
highly
concerned
about
the
words
you
spoke
tonight
as
well
as
just
well
you're,
saying
you're
unsure
at
this
point,
but
you
know
I
you
were
somebody
that
I
used
to
trust
as
part
of
my
community,
and
I
just
want
you
to
know
that,
because
you
worked
in
the
burton
street
community
and
I
and
I've
spent
time
with
you
in
terms
of
the
I-26
connector
project,
and
I
I
really
would
love
to
talk
with
you
further
about
what
was
so
problematic
about
your
comments
earlier,
and
I
also
hope
that
you
can
shift
your
support
in
this
direction
because
we
can
defund
the
police
and
the
truth
is
change.
P
P
You
had
hundreds
of
people
outside,
I'm
not
sure
if
you're
in
your
office
tonight
esther,
but
there
were
hundreds
of
people
outside
marching
and
we
are
not
letting
up,
and
so
you
guys
can
choose
to
make
these
changes
now
or
you
can
continue
to
deal
with
the
pressure
from
your
community
that
you're
absolutely
going
to
continue
to
see,
because
this
is
crucial
and
we
are
not
going
to
allow
violent
policing
that
supports
white
supremacy
to
continue
in
our
communities
and
that's
the
end
of
it.
P
P
P
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
say
what
she
said,
I'm
into
all
of
that.
Second,
I
think
vijay,
you
should
probably
just
leave
now
same
for
you
esther.
I
think
that
you
are
both
not
here
for
us,
the
people
at
least
you
know
this
subject
of
the
people.
I
don't.
I
don't
think
that
you
are.
You
stand
for
change,
positive
change
and
immediate
change.
P
P
P
P
P
P
Y'all
could
do
that
for
me,
no,
no,
okay!
All
right
there
we
go.
Thank
you
so
much
all
right,
great
so
gotta
say
so
these
past
few
months,
I've
been
really
disappointed
in
what
I
see
is
the
repeated
inaction
of
the
city
of
asheville,
the
city's
gotten
very
good
at
saying
all
the
right
things,
making
big
promises
and
then
not
following
through
with
those
promises.
P
I've
seen
a
lot
of
prescriptions,
apologies
and
plans
from
the
city
on
what
they'll
do
to
remedy
racial
injustice
in
nashville,
but
I've
seen
very
few
tangible
and
material
changes
made.
People
of
asheville,
particularly
black
asheville,
have
been
very
clear
and
straightforward
about
what
they
want
when
we
ask
for
some
repercussions
after
astral
pd
tear
gas
protesters
and
destroyed
a
medic
tent
the
mayor
and
police
jave
pretty
much
said.
Oh
sorry,
about
that
city.
P
Council
members
cried
and
then
thanked
the
police,
and
then
nothing
happened
when
we
asked
you
to
take
down
vance
monument,
you
put
a
giant
trash
bag
over
it
and
made
a
committee
to
take
several
months
to
figure
out
what
to
do
with
it.
P
When
we
asked
for
reparations
for
black
asheville,
you
said
you'd
do
it,
but
looking
at
that
bill,
all
you
really
did
was
say
sorry
for
slavery
and
then
make
a
committee
that
will
get
back
to
us
in
a
year
and
now,
when
we've
been
screaming
at
you
to
defund
and
divest
from
the
police,
you've
repeatedly
delayed
the
budget
vote
for
months.
P
Well,
I
understand
that
there's
a
complicated
bureaucratic
process
and
radical
changes
don't
happen
overnight,
like
I
really.
I
do
understand
that.
But
while
a
small
progressive
city
like
asheville,
has
been
dragging
their
feet,
delaying
votes
and
referring
everything
to
the
committee
los
angeles
defunded,
their
police
by
150
million
dollars,
new
york
by
one
billion
dollars
seattle
by
76
million
and
berkeley,
which
is
very
similar
to
the
size
of
asheville.
P
Last
thing
I
gotta
say
that
speech
that
council
member
mayfield
made
about
all
of
this
tonight
was
the
most
condescending
and
insulting
thing
that
I've
seen
since
councilmember
mayfield
sobbed
about
racism
during
a
meeting
two
months
ago.
I
don't
think
that
there's
a
nefarious
conspiracy
going
on
here.
I
just
think
that
city
council
collectively
has
been
slow,
has
been
weak
and
has
been
full
of
excuses
and
inaction.
P
The
one
exception
to
this
is
council
member
kapoor,
I'm
very
confused
why
you
have
such
strong
feelings
about
what
happens
in
a
city
that
you
are
about
to
leave
to
me.
This
is
akin
to
your
roommate,
picking
the
movie
and
then
going
to
bed
10
minutes
later,
and
I
think
that
the
most
honorable
thing
for
you
to
do
here
would
be
to
resign
before
the
vote
takes
place.
Thank
you.
P
P
Currently,
as
I
see
it,
the
only
department
at
risk
for
cuts
is
the
actual
police
department,
so
in
actuality,
even
if
allocations
aren't
made
for
other
departments,
the
expectation
it
does
is
that
those
departments
will
still
receive
funding
and
that
in
the
event
that
we've
come
to
an
impasse
on
voting
to
defund
the
asheville
police
department,
then
the
expectation
that
we
could
have
is
that
all
the
departments
will
still
receive
full
allocations.
P
P
If
it
feels
really
important
to
not
have
an
even
number
of
people
on
city
council
before
then
dj
kapoor
could
still
participate
in
distance
capacity.
I've
heard
rumors
that
he's
already
in
philadelphia.
Those
are
probably
false,
but
or
someone
could
be
appointed
in
an
interim
capacity
until
the
november
elections
and
his
vacancy
is
filled
for
a
two-year
term.
P
I
also
want
to
echo
the
concerns
of
other
callers
that
the
conversation
about
banning
tear
gas
has
been
so
completely
tabled,
regardless
of
what
the
police
department's
internal
investigations
reveal.
It
seems
pretty
apparent
that
rubber
bullets
and
tear
gas
should
not
be
used
on
citizens
of
the
city
under
any
circumstances.
P
Okay,
thank
you,
council.
That
concludes
the
public
comment
portion
of
our
agenda
and
that
concludes
our
agenda.
We
do
not
have
a
closed
session
this
evening.
P
We
will
not
be
technically
adjourning
the
meeting
this
evening,
but
only
recessing
it
until
after
or
until
july,
30th
at
5
00
pm,
so
that
the
budget
vote
can
occur
before
the
august
1st
deadline
and
I
believe
we're
also
at
that
time
voting
on
the
other
items
that
were
recessed
until
july
30th
as
well,
that
were
on
the
public
hearings
agenda
again.
P
That
is
a
meeting
that
will
take
place
in
two
days,
and
this
is
due
to
this
logistical
requirement
in
place
right
now
during
when
we
use
the
virtual
meeting
format
and
there
will
be
no
further
public
comment
taken
at
that
meeting
in
two
days,
just
council
action.
P
P
I
I
do
appreciate
people's
engagement
in
government.
I
run
a
grassroots
organization,
it's
my
job
to
get
people
engaged
in
government
and-
and
I
appreciate
it
so
I
I
I
do
not
mean
to
dismiss
you.
I
do
not
mean
to
denigrate
you.
I
absolutely
do
not
mean
to
to
say
that
that
you
don't
understand.
I
will
also
say
I
don't
support
the
use
of
tear
gas
and
and
rubber
bullets.
I
I
did
not
say
that
I
did
again.
P
I
started
my
career
with
amnesty
international
and
have
zero
patients
for
governments
and
particularly
police
and
military
abusing
their
people.
So
just
to
be
clear
where
I
stand
on
some
of
those
things
for
everything
else
again,
I
obviously
chose
the
wrong
words
and
I
apologize
for
that
and
I
will
try
to
do
better
next
time.
P
Okay
counsel,
I
I
need
a
motion
to
recess
this
formal
meeting
until
july
30th
at
five
o'clock.
Do
I
have
a
motion
yeah.
This
is
v
dre,
so
moved.
This
is
gwen
ii,
okay
and
I'm
gonna
need
to
do
a
roll
call
vote.
Vice
mayor,
whistler,
hi,
councilman,
haynes,
aye,
councilman,
kapoor,
aye,
councilwoman,
mayfield,
aye,
councilwoman
smith,
aye,
councilman,
young
and
myself,
I
okay,
we
are
recessed
until
july,
30th
at
5
p.m,
where
we
will
meet
back
here
in
this
virtual
platform.