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A
We'll
see
how
it
goes
just
a
few
housekeeping
items
before
we
get
started.
Please
mute
your
cell
phones.
A
Pardon
me
if
you
need
a
parking
sticker
to
park
for
free
in
the
civic
center
garage.
Please
get
one
at
the
desk
that
you
passed
on
your
way
in
also,
if
you
want
to
speak
on
any
item,
please
sign
in
at
the
desk,
where
you
that
you
passed
when
you
came
in.
A
We
just
just
for
first
timers,
we
have
a.
We
have
a
rule
that
we
take
public
comment
for
up
to
one
hour
per
item
on
our
agenda
and
if
we
don't
have
a
real
tight
agenda,
we've
got
we.
We
usually
waive
that
we
do
have
a
really
really
really
full
agenda
tonight.
A
In
fact,
we're
projecting
that
if
we
do
this
whole
agenda
with
all
anyway,
we
would
adjourn
after
midnight,
so
we're
yeah,
you
you
and
me
both
on
that
one,
so
we're
so
we're
gonna.
Try
not
to
do
that,
so
we're
gonna
try
to
move
things
along.
I
just
want
you
to
to
know
we'll.
We'll
probably
see
people
continue
to
come
in
throughout
the
evening
to
speak
on
other
items
on
the
agenda,
so
we
will
try
to
make
sure
we.
A
You
know
every
effort
to
get
to
everyone,
but
just
so
you
know
it's
a
a
very
full
agenda
and
speaking
of
a
long
meeting,
the
manager
of
harris
cherokee
here
chris
coral
says
that
there
is
a
snack
bar
open
downstairs
tonight,
because
reynolds
high
school
is
having
their
band
concert
here.
So
as
long
as
that's
going
on,
you
might
be
able
to
get
some
snacks
all
right.
We,
our
vice
mayor,
shanika
smith,
is
with
us
virtually
by
phone
or
by
voice.
A
Here
you
can
I'm
pointing
because
you're
gonna
hear
her
voice
come
from
above
so
she
is
participating
in
this
meeting.
She
she
for
health
reasons,
is
unable
to
attend
here
in
person
tonight.
So
first,
what
we're
going
to
need
a
motion
to
allow
her
to
participate
remotely,
but
first
we're
going
to
rise
for
the
pledge
of
allegiance.
A
Okay,
so
can
I
have
a
motion
to
allow
the
vice
mayor
to
participate
remotely
so.
B
A
Second,
second,
all
right:
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
and
because
of
her
remote
participation,
we
will
be
doing
roll
call
votes
once
again
so
yeah.
I
know
you're
all
excited
about
that.
So
I
will
go
over
here
and
councilwoman
mosley
aye,
councilwoman
turner,
aye
and
vice
mayor
aye,
okay,
myself,
I
councilwoman
whistler
aye
councilwoman
kilgore
aye
and
councilwoman
roni
aye,
okay,
we
we
now
the
vice
mayor
can
participate
remotely.
A
Next,
we
have
the
consent
agenda.
I
do
know
that
we
need
to
pull
item
d.
Is
there
any
other
item?
That
counsel
has
questions
comments
regarding
or
emotion,.
C
Item
make
sure
you're
yeah,
you
got
your
microphone
item
c.
I
just
want
to
make
comment,
so
this
is
around
the
aesthetics,
the
aesthetics
around
the
first
portion
of
I-26.
I
just
want
to
thank
the
and
I
think,
councilwoman
rony
would
back
me
up
on
this.
Thank
the
I-26
committee
that
has
been
working
for
several
years:
monthly
meetings,
making
diagrams
putting
things
together
to
come
up
with
very
thoughtful
good
ideas
around
these
aesthetics
and
and
and
being
very
thoughtful
about
how
much
money
this
might
cost
the
city.
A
A
Now,
second,
all
right,
we
have
a
motion
in
a
second.
We
do
not
have
anyone
signed
up
to
speak
under
the
consent
agenda
so
I'll
do
a
roll
call
vote,
councilwoman,
mosley,
aye,
councilwoman
turner,
aye.
Vice
mayor
hi
myself,
I
councilwoman
whistler
aye
councilwoman
kilgore
hi,
I'm
councilwoman
rooney
aye.
Okay,
so
we
have
adopted
the
consent
agenda.
Minus
item
d
on
item
d-
I
know
nicky
reed
is
here-
might
be
able
to
help
us
with
this
item.
But
did
you
want
to
go
ahead
and
say,
sir.
D
I'm
happy
to
speak
to
this,
so
this
is
a
project
with
a
substantial
amount
of
deep
affordability,
and
it
was
begun
some
time
ago
many
years
ago
and
because
of
the
duration,
has
seen
some
changes
in
policy
and
time
and
staff
working
on
it,
and
so
we've
been
able
to
hammer
out
most
of
the
issues.
But
one
last
item
of
particular
is
of
concern
to
me,
and
that
is,
if
you're
looking
at
the
document,
it
would
be
the
fifth
bullet
point
from
the
list
of
bullets.
D
Specifically,
it
says
the
city
intends
to
structure
this
term
as
an
initial
five-year
term,
with
the
option
to
extend
the
lease
for
another
two
five-year
periods
at
the
sole
discretion
of
the
city.
My
understanding
and
discussions
from
the
development
team
is
that
this
was
originally
a
15-year
term,
and
I
understand
that
I
don't
believe
we
have
any
even
any
correspondence
pointing
back
to
that,
but
in
good
faith.
D
E
C
You
sage,
I
would
just
like
to
make
a
friendly
amendment
that
the
five
year
be
both
yeah,
that
it's
both
to
the
lessor
and
the
lessee.
That's.
D
F
I
don't
believe
that
will
be
a
problem.
I
think
that
the
primary
change
here
will
be
an
allowance
for
a
duration
of
an
initial
10-year
period,
with
a
mutually
agreeable
option
of
an
additional
five
years
beyond
that,
and
the
remaining
terms
will
simply
be
corresponding
to
that
particular
duration.
D
H
A
Questions
or
comments
before
we
do
a
roll
call
vote;
okay,
I'll
try
to
rotate
this.
Let's
just
bear
with
me
here:
okay,
so
councilwoman
turner,
aye,
okay,
vice
mayor,
I
myself,
I
councilwoman
whistler
aye
councilwoman
kilgore
aye
and
councilwoman
roney
aye
and
councilwoman
mosley,
aye,
okay,
good
all
right.
A
Okay,
we
are
done
with
the
consent
agenda
and
there
is
not
a
mass
exodus
of
staff
because
next
we're
going
to
hear
the
manager's
budget-
and
let
me
just
say
from
a
process
standpoint
tonight-
is
the
night
where
we
hear
a
presentation
of
the
manager's
budget.
We've
had
many
many
work
sessions
which
I'm
sure
tony's
going
to
recap
for
us,
I'm
talking
about
all
the
pieces
of
this
budget
and
we
don't
take
public
comment
tonight.
I
Thank
you
good
evening,
mayor
and
city
council
members
staff
in
the
asheville
community
we've
reached
an
important
milestone
in
the
budget
process.
Tonight
staff
will
be
presenting
the
manager's
proposed
fiscal
year,
20
22
2023
budget,
but
before
we
dive
into
the
details
of
the
budget,
I
want
to
take
a
few
minutes
to
thank
our
incredibly
excuse
me,
hard
work
and
staff.
I
I
want
to
also
acknowledge
and
thank
staff
in
our
finance
department
for
the
patients
they
have
demonstrated
throughout
this
process,
but
especially
for
their
professionalism
and
technical
advice.
Specifically,
I
would
like
to
acknowledge
the
work
of
finance
director,
tony
mcdowell
and
the
staff
in
the
budget
division,
including
taylor,
floyd,
heather,
curry
and
abigail
riley.
I
I
I
J
Thank
you,
miss
campbell
and
good
evening,
mayor
and
city
council,
and
thank
you,
ms
campbell,
for
the
opening
and
the
kind
words
as
well.
It
truly
has
been
a
as
always
a
team
effort,
both
in
the
finance
department
and
throughout
the
city
with
department
directors
and
key
contacts
throughout
the
city
working
with
us
working
with
us
on
the
budget
over
the
last
six
months
or
so
so
it's
very
exciting
to
come
to
tonight.
J
It's
it's
not
quite
the
conclusion
of
a
journey
for
us,
but
it
is
a
very
important
milestone
each
year.
So
I'm
going
to
go
through
the
first
part
of
the
presentation
tonight
and
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
taylor
floyd
and
he's
going
to
cover
the
second
half
and
I
apologize.
I
have
some
allergy
issues
and
my
voice
gets
really
dry
and
and
feel
like
I'm
coughing
at
times.
J
So
I'm
going
to
start
by
covering
the
budget
process
and
give
you
all
a
quick
summary
of
the
budget.
So,
as
mrs
campbell
indicated,
we've
been
working
with
you
all
in
the
budget.
J
Now
for
several
months,
we
started
with
our
council
budget
work
sessions
back
in
february
of
this
year,
but,
as
I
indicated,
work
on
the
budget
really
started
many
months
before
that,
at
the
staff
level,
we
held
a
department
director
retreat
in
december,
which
really
was
kind
of
the
kickoff
for
the
budget
process
internally
for
us
and
gathered
a
lot
of
really
helpful
information
at
that
retreat
that
helped
guide
us
throughout
the
rest
of
the
process
this
year.
So
again,
this
is
the
timeline.
J
J
So
just
a
quick
summary-
and
I
won't
go
through
all
of
this,
but
this
is
kind
of
some
of
the
key
highlights
that
we
of
the
items
that
we
covered
at
some
of
the
earlier
work
sessions.
J
We
also
talked
to
you
all
about
our
capital
improvement
program
and
our
capital
improvement
planning
process,
and
we
also
gave
you
all
some
updates
on
some
of
our
existing
capital
projects,
and
you
all
heard
a
presentation
at
your
retreat
about
the
comprehensive
facility
assessment
that
we're
doing
as
well
right
now,
which
is
going
to
guide
our
future
capital
investments,
and
you
heard
about
the
pinto
and
and
and
those
kind
of
analogies
there,
so
I'm
still
hurting
over
the
applause
there.
But
anyway.
J
So
again,
I
won't
go
through
all
these.
All
the
presentations
from
these
work
sessions
are
available
on
our
website
and
also
you
could
view
these
sessions
on
youtube
as
well.
So
if
anyone
from
the
community
hasn't
been
following
along
in
the
budget
process,
so
far
this
year,
encourage
you
to
look
back
and
see
some
of
the
topics
we
covered
earlier
in
the
works
earlier
in
the
process.
J
J
And
you
know
we
talked
a
lot
about
the
internal
process,
the
work
we've
done
with
departments
and
our
attempt
to
focus
on
neighborhood
level,
information
and
data
informed
decision
making,
as
ms
campbell
indicated
we,
this
budget
process
also
reflects
a
lot
of
the
input
that
we've
gained
over
the
last
few
years
in
in
our
community
engagement
work
that
we've
done
specifically
the
work
that
started
around
reimagining
public
safety
and
then
the
work
that
mr
floyd
and
his
team
continued
last
year
during
the
budget
process
and,
of
course,
council
priorities
and
I'll
go
over
those
priorities
in
a
few
slides.
J
But
those
really
provided
the
blueprint
for
us
this
year
as
we
developed
the
budget
that
we're
bringing
you
all
tonight
and
then
finally,
the
the
last
piece
there,
the
financial
management
piece
and
again
that's
what
ms
campbell
alluded
to
as
well,
that
we
are
bringing
you
all
a
financially
sustainable
budget.
We
believe
it's
a
budget
that
balances
strategic
investments
with
our
with
with
financial
impact
on
the
community
and
and
has
us
living
within
our
own
resources.
J
So
it
wouldn't
be
a
budget
presentation
if
we
didn't
have
a
table
full
of
numbers,
so
this
is
the
the
first
of
those.
Hopefully
we
won't
have
too
many
of
those
for
for
you
all,
but
as
ms
campbell
indicated,
our
total
proposed
budget
for
next
year
is
216.9
million
dollars,
which
is
about
an
eight
percent
increase
over
the
current
year
budget.
The
presentation
on
this
slide
shows
the
budget
broken
down
by
fund.
J
As
you
all
know,
the
general
fund
is
our
main
operating
fund
for
the
city,
which
includes
many
of
the
traditional
government
services
such
as
police
and
fire,
and
garbage
collection,
street
maintenance,
and
then
we
have
six
enterprise
funds
which
function
more
like
businesses
that
are
supported
in
some
part
or
in
whole
by
fees,
and
so
again
you
can
see
the
overall
budget
is
2,
6,
216,
216
million.
I'm
sorry,
general
fund
budget
is
158
million.
It's
up
about
9
compared
to
the
current
year.
The
enterprise
funds.
J
If
you
look
across
those
the
water
fund,
is
up
about
ten
percent.
A
lot
of
that
has
to
do
with
indus
additional
investment
in
operating
costs
and
also
debt
service,
and
then
the
rest
of
our
enterprise
funds.
J
Well,
the
stormwater
harrah's
cherokee
center
terrace,
cherokee,
center
asheville
and
street
cut
are
pretty
much
flat
compared
to
the
current
year.
You
do
see
some
decreases
in
transit
and
parking
and
taylor
will
go
over
some
of
the
details
on
that.
During
his
section
of
the
presentation.
J
Taking
just
a
quick,
deeper
dive
into
the
general
fund
again,
this
is
our
main
operating
fund
for
the
for
the
city
just
wanted
to
highlight
again
some
of
the
major
areas
of
the
general
fund
budget
and
some
of
the
major
changes
from
last
fiscal
year.
So,
if
you
look
at
this
slide,
you
can
see
that
the
afd
actual
fire
department,
the
asheville
police
department,
make
up
about
66
million
of
the
total
general
fund
budget,
and
so
that's
approximately
40
of
our
overall
general
fund
budget.
J
And
then
you
can
see
on
the
right
a
table
again
showing
some
of
the
major
changes
compared
to
the
current
year
and
that
other
category
at
the
top
they're,
actually
just
primarily
just
reflecting
us
moving
some
adding
some
new
departments
and
moving
some
things
around
within
the
existing
budget.
For
example,
the
new
department,
the
community
community
and
regional
recreation
facility
department
is
in
that
group
that
group
was
that
department
was
mostly
moved
out
of
the
parks
and
recreation
department.
J
J
So
and
we've
shown
council
this
slide
before
so
before
we
kind
of
get
into
the
new
investments
that
we're
proposing
for
next
year.
We
wanted
to
kind
of
give
you
a
financial
snap
snapshot
of
how
much
money
we
had
available
to
fund
some
of
those
new
resources
and
kind
of
where
it
came
from.
J
J
We
also
have
some
have
some
additional
revenue
from
council
approved
fee
increases
and
again
that
total
was
about
11.4
million,
our
baseline
expense
growth
and
again
these
are
expenses
that
are
part
of
our
existing
budget.
It's
not
adding
anything
new,
it's
just
covering
things
like
inflation
and
items
like
that.
That
was
around
6.8
million.
J
So
when
we
began
to
finalize
the
budget
over
the
last
few
weeks,
we
were
looking
at
about
4.6
million
dollars
in
available
resources
to
fund
new
investments
for
fy23.
J
So
now
the
next
section
we're
going
to
cover
some
of
those
I'm
going
to
start
and
go
over
the
comp.
The
proposed
compensation
adjustments
and
then
taylor
will
follow
up
with
some
of
the
operating
adjustments
or
operating
investments,
as
well
as
talk
about
our
enterprise
funds
and
our
capital
improvement
program.
J
Before
we
kind
of
get
into
the
proposal
itself
for
compensation,
we
wanted
to
show
this
slide.
These
are
our
guiding
principles,
and
this
is
something
that,
when
ms
campbell
arrived
here
four
years
ago,
she
asked
us
to
develop
some
overall
overarching
guiding
principles
for
us
to
think
about
every
year
as
we
go
through
the
budget
process,
and
we
haven't
shown
this
slide.
J
I
don't
think
this
year
as
part
of
any
of
our
other
presentations,
but
we
highlighted
this
in
the
manager's
message
and
we
wanted
to
highlight
it
again
tonight
that
these
really
are
the
three
key
components
of
of
the
things
that
we
evaluate
and
look
at
and
think
about
is
we're
putting
together
the
manager's
proposed
budget
each
year.
J
And
then
the
other
key
blueprint,
if
you
will
for
the
budget-
and
I
mentioned
this
earlier-
are
the
council
priorities
and
these
reflect
the
priorities
that
you
all
established
and
updated
at
your
retreat
back
in
march,
and
I
won't
go
through
these.
But
again
as
we
go
through
the
presentation
over
the
next
few
slides
and
partic,
particularly
as
taylor
goes
through.
Some
of
our
new
investments
he's
going
to
highlight
how
those
new
investments
are
tied
to
each
of
these
council
priorities.
J
So
again,
I'm
going
to
cover
the
compensation
piece
and
so
I'll
jump
into
that.
So,
but
before
we
get
to
the
recommendation
for
next
fiscal
year,
we
did
just
want
to
take
a
moment
to
kind
of
look
back
at
the
compensation
adjustments
that
we've
made
over
the
last
several
fiscal
years
and
really
prior
to
prior
to
2020.
We
had
a
history
of
doing
a
2.5
across
the
board
increase
each
year,
then
in
may
of
2020.
J
J
We
did
mid-year
in
2020
in
december
2020
we
were
able
to
do
a
one-time
payment,
utilizing
some
salary
savings
and
some
cares
act,
money
for
our
on-site
and
front-line
employees
and
then,
finally,
in
july
of
last
fiscal
year,
council
voted
to
implement
the
archer,
implement
and
fund
the
archer
compensation
study
and
that
study
involved
some
fairly
significant
adjustments
to
our
public
safety
pay
plans.
J
It
also
brought
all
employees
up
to
either
the
archer
recommended
minimum
level
for
their
pay
grade
or
a
2.5
percent
increase,
whichever
was
greater
and
then
in
addition
to
that,
in
in
november
of
this
year,
we
made
some
additional
adjustments
in
the
in
afd
to
reflect
some
of
the
compression
that
that
arose
with
the
initial
adjustments
that
we
made
in
july
and
just
to
to
remind
council
and
everyone,
the
the
total
cop.
The
total
cost
of
those
adjustments
in
july
of
2021
was
about
7.9
million
dollars.
J
So
it
was
a
significant
investment
in
in
staff
and
in
pay
here
for
the
for
our
employees
and
about
4.4
million
of
that
7.9
went
for
the
adjustments
that
I
mentioned
in
the
public
safety
pay
plan.
J
So
our
recommendation
for
next
year,
so
it
really
has
four
key
components
to
it:
the
first
being
we're
recommending
salary
adjustments
that
will
bring
all
of
our
full-time
employees
up
to
a
an
annual
salary
of
at
least
thirty
five
thousand
three
hundred
and
sixty
dollars.
J
If
you
were
here
before
december,
31
of
2021
or
two
and
a
half
percent
increase,
if
you've
been
hired
in
calendar
year,
2022
and
then
finally
we're
also,
we
don't
have
any
specific
numbers
or
recommendations
for
you
all
to
consider
tonight.
But
we
are
continuing
to
review
some
additional
options
that
will
help
us
with
recruiting
and
retaining
our
employees.
J
So
again,
another
slide
with
some
numbers
on
it,
so
just
want
to
give
you
all
kind
of
a
snapshot
of
what
the
impact
of
the
change
I
was
talking
about
on.
The
previous
slide
looks
like
so
we
really
have
four
kind
of
major
pay
groups
here
at
the
city
we
have
hourly
employees
what
we
call
non-exempt.
J
We
have
salaried
employees,
we
have
employees
on
the
fire
pay
plan
and
we
have
employees
on
the
police
pay
plan
and
again
these
are
really
all
the
kind
of
the
four
major
full-time
pay
groups,
and
you
can
see
from
this
chart
that
we
currently
have
61
employees
out
of
our
employee
base
of
about
1
150
total
employees
that
earn
less
than
the
thirty
five
thousand
three
hundred
and
sixty
dollars
a
year
and
all
those
employees
are
in
the
hourly
group.
J
There
are
no
employees
in
either
the
salary
group
or
the
fire
or
on
the
fire
pay
plan
or
the
police
pay
plan.
They
currently
earn
less
than
35
000
360..
So
the
bulk
of
the
adjustments,
at
least
for
the
for
the
for
bringing
folks
up
to
35
360,
will
happen
in
that
hourly
pay
group
and
we'll
also
be
making
adjustments
there
for
compression
as
well.
J
Again,
there's
four
major
pay
groups
on
this
slide
and
you
can
see
the
cost
of
the
adjustments
that
we're
proposing
for
each
of
those
groups
in
the
general
fund,
and
we
shared
this
information
last
week
that
the
total
approximate
cost
of
the
adjustments
is
4.9
million
in
the
enterprise
funds.
It's
about
1.7
million
and
again
you
all
can
see
that
the
bulk
of
the
cost
and
the
bulk
of
the
change
is
happening
in
that
hourly
group,
the
non-exempt
group,
and
it
will
bring
everyone
up
to
35.
J
J
and
then
just
a
another
snapshot
in
terms
of
how
this
is
impacting
our
employees,
so
this
shows
how
that
investment
on
the
previous
slide
is
split
across
our
employee
base,
and
you
can
see
that
if
you
look
at
the
group,
the
top
three
rows
there
folks
earning
sixty
thousand
dollars
in
le
and
less
the
impact.
J
There
is
about
three
point:
six
million
dollars
out
of
the
total
of
about
six
point:
six
million
dollars,
so
significant
portion
of
the
investment
in
salaries
next
year
is
going
to
folks
who
currently
earn
less
than
60
000
a
year.
J
And
then
I
think
this
may
be
my
last
slide
before
I
turn
it
over
to
taylor.
I
did
want
to
mention
just
quickly
some
of
the
other
benefits
here
at
the
city
and-
and
I
wanted
to
mention
this
for
a
couple
reasons
one
is.
We
do
have
some
changes
in
in
additional
costs
arising
here,
but
also
just
kind
of
wanted
to
point
out
the
other.
The
additional
benefits
that
full-time
employees
here
at
the
city
receive
the
first
of
which
is
the
state
retirement
contribution.
J
The
city
itself
puts
in
a
contribution
equivalent
to
right
around
12
of
an
employee's
salary
every
year,
13
for
law
enforcement,
and
that
contribution
is
going
up
again.
The
state
has
mandated.
I
think
this
is
maybe
the
seventh
year
in
a
row
that
the
state
has
mandated
that
employers
increase
that
contribution,
and
that
is
having
about
a
one
million
dollar
increase
or
impact
on
our
budget
for
next
year,
and
then
the
only
other
thing
I
would
want
to
highlight
here
on
this
slide
is
health
and
dental
insurance,
and
we
are
very
fortunate
in
that.
J
We've
had
really
good
trends
with
our
health
and
dental
costs.
Over
the
last
few
years,
and
so
we
are
not
recommending
any
increases
to
either
the
employee
or
the
employer,
contributions
to
health
and
dental
next
year,
and
I
think
that'll
be
the
fifth
year
in
a
row
that
we've
been
able
to
keep
those
costs
flat
as
well.
D
I'm
sure,
okay,
we
were
debating
a
question.
I
have
a
question
I
had
been
hearing
around
the
living
wage
17
versus
1770.
is.
D
I
guess
I
heard
that
the
difference
to
move
from
17
to
1770
would
cost
us
around
600
000
a
year,
but
I
was
just
kind
of
doing
the
math
with
your
presentation
in
front
of
me
and
I
come
up
with
about
a
hundred
thousand
granted.
I
don't
know
the
benefit
cost
and
the
taxes
and
so
on.
So
even
if
it's
rounded
up,
why
is
there
additional
compression
issues
that
would
be
addressed?
That
would
move
it
to
600
000,
or
is
that
number
been
updated
from
600
000
to
something
else.
J
No,
it's
still
600
for
full
annual
cost
and
it's
a
combination
of
things.
It
is
a
combination
of
again
moving
folks
from
I
think
35
397
up
to
36..
It
is
some
additional
compression
adjustments,
as
you
mentioned,
it's
also
moving
our
temp
and
seasonal
folks
as
well
from
17
to
7
1770..
So
it's
really
those
three
components
that
add
up
to
that
additional
cost
of
about
600
000.
B
B
Additionally,
I
have
three
other,
but
I
wanted
to
start
with
the
gear
slide,
and
I
know
this
isn't
the
nitty-gritty,
but
the
process
summary.
In
the
past,
I've
I've
been
concerned
that
equity
was
like
on
the
far
side
and
now
it's
just
gone,
and
I
wondered
I
know
that
we're
talking
a
lot
in
this,
as
in
this
body
and
as
an
organization
about
how
equity
needs
to
be
woven
into
everything
that
we
do.
B
But
now
it's
not
even
in
our
process
summary
named,
and
so
I
wonder
what
we
could
do
before
we
vote
on
this.
To
really
look
at
how
equity
has
been
layered
into
our
process,
specifically
addressing
disparities
in
our
budget.
B
B
So
our
climate
justice
initiative,
we've
already
heard
initial
engagement
through
marisol
jimenez
of
tippett,
consulting
that
food
security
and
stormwater
issues
are
key
issues
for
neighborhood
resiliency
and
the
urban
forestry
master
plan,
as
repeatedly
recommended
by
the
urban
forestry
commission
is
one
of
our
best
chances
to
address
our
living
infrastructure
of
our
tree
canopy,
which
will
address
our
stormwater
issues.
So,
if
we're
not
going
to
fund
the
urban
forestry
master
plan
this
budget,
what
is
our
plan
to
get
it
funded
this
year?
Are
grant
programs
prepared
to
take
on
a
pursuit
of
funding.
A
So
some
of
this
is
going
to
come
up.
Do
we
want
to
finish
the
presentation
and
then
do
all
of
the?
I
just
ask,
because
I
assume
that
at
the
end
we'll
need
to
give
our
kind
of
collective
feedback
sure
we
can
wait.
Yeah
I
mean
you
make
good
points.
I
just
want
to
make
sure,
because
I
know
we're
going
to
now
move
through
each
of
the
topic
areas.
K
Good
evening
council
taylor,
floyd
budget
manager,
as
tony
said,
I'm
going
to
kind
of
walk
through
some
additional,
more
operating,
focused
investments
and
they're
kind
of
not
kind
of.
They
are
organized
around
your
council
priorities.
K
We
are
also
going
to
mention
some
ongoing
investments,
things
that
are
included
in
the
budget,
but
aren't
necessarily
new
for
this
proposed
budget
for
the
next
fiscal
year.
So
starting
with
equitable
and
affordable
housing
and
stability,
we
have
several
ongoing
investments
there,
our
partnership
with
buncombe
county
that
we
started
last
year
on
a
homeowner
grant
program,
our
continuing
work
on
the
affordable
housing
general
obligation,
bonds
on
ongoing
500
000
to
the
housing
trust
fund.
K
We
actually
did
increase
the
land
use
incentive
grants
based
on
previously
approved
grants.
This
year
we
have
development,
fee
rebates,
we
offer
to
affordable
housing,
and
then
we
also
manage
some
federal
money,
including
now
some
arpa
funds
that
goes
towards
affordable
housing
as
well.
The
the
notable
additional
investment
included
in
this
year's
proposed
budget
is
a
study
for
the
missing
middle,
so
that's
kind
of
that
middle
of
the
road
townhouses
duplexes
triplexes
things
that
we
we
think
are
missing
in.
K
In
our
housing
stock,
currently
so
on
houselessness
strategies,
again
on
several
ongoing
things
that
we've
been
working
on
from
leading
the
continuum
of
care
work
to
homelessness
outreach
that
we
partnership
with
homeward
bound
to
provide
new
investments,
include
a
homelessness
strategy,
project
specialist.
So
that's
a
new
staff
member
that
will
be
devoted
to
this
work.
K
In
addition,
we
have
funded
code
purple
sheltering
I
think,
over
the
last
two
winters
with
some
grant
funding,
but
we're,
including
that
in
our
operating
funding
for
next
year,
approving
improving
and
expanding
core
services,
this
one's
a
hard
one
to
kind
of
capture
the
totality
of
that
within
our
existing
operating
budget,
because
I
think
that
really
does
hit
on
almost
everything
that
we
do
from
public
safety
to
sanitation,
to
water,
maintaining
city
infrastructure,
and
then
we
also
did
include
some
things
that
specifically
were
fun.
K
You
all
recommended
for
funding
through
the
american
rescue
plan
that
includes
some
inclusive
and
accessible
government
work
that
our
cape
is
doing
some
contracted
litter
and
cleanliness
that
will
be
managed
by
our
sanitation
division
and
modernization
and
upgrades
for
downtown
restroom
facilities.
K
So
recommended
new
investments
in
our
core
services
include
some
support
for
gis
work
to
be
able
to
do
better
mapping
an
hr
information
system,
a
web-based
budget
document,
some
sanitation
and
waste
reduction
enhancements,
which
are
covered
by
a
fee
increase
that
you
ought
previously
approved,
and
then
we
also
have
an
excuse
me,
emergency
operations,
plan
and
continuity
of
operations
plan.
So
some
emergency
preparedness
planning
and
disparity
study
to
allow
us
to
continue
our
our
policy
around
contracting.
K
Neighborhood
resilience
again
is
a
is
another
one
that
I
think
touches
a
lot
of
the
work
that
we
do
in
the
city.
A
lot
of
that
work
happens
in
cape
and
in
our
equity
and
inclusion
office,
the
climate
justice
initiative,
another
example
of
that
and
then
also
some
some
of
our
kind
of
more
capital
related
stuff,
like
neighborhood
sidewalk
program
and
our
traffic
calming
work.
K
We
also
just
wanted
to
mention
an
expanded
evening
and
weekend
hours
at
our
recreation,
centers,
that's
something
that
was
funded
in
the
in
the
previous
or
in
the
current
budget.
I
guess
I
should
say-
and
you
know
continuing
with
some
of
that
expansion-
we
have
after-school
programming,
that's
being
expanded
over
this
summer.
We
also
are
including
additional
recommending
additional
increases
in
our
traffic
signs
and
pavement
markings,
and
we
are
hoping
to
be
able
to
relocate
our
parks
maintenance
facility,
which
is
currently
at
hunt
hill
in
the
east.
K
End
neighborhood,
we're
looking
to
lease
a
new
facility
and
move
move
that
out
of
that
neighborhood,
which
was
intended
to
be
a
temporary
location.
K
As
I
think
has
been
mentioned,
you
know
our
reimagining
public
safety
work
has
been
ongoing.
I
think,
for
the
last
couple
years,
probably
the
the
most
significant
change
over
the
last
year
was
the
consolidation
of
911
operations
with
the
county.
K
We
did
several
things
in
two
previous
budget
cycles,
including
some
additional
training
for
the
police
department,
shifting
noise,
ordinance
and
animal
control
enforcement
to
development
services,
expanding
our
office
of
data
and
performance,
and
we
are
also
again,
I
think,
has
previously
mentioned
working
on
a
new
public
safety
station
in
north
asheville.
A
K
Yeah,
so
we
do
currently
have
staff
in
the
fire
department
that
have
that
certification,
but
they
are
not
provided
anything
extra.
So
it's
really
just
a
way
for
us
to
try
to
incentivize
staff
to
have
those
that
capability
to
to
respond
to
those.
K
And
finally,
on
reparations,
I
think
there
was
earlier
this
week,
another
meeting
of
the
commission
we
initially
or
you
all
initially
reserved
2.1
million
dollars
right
at
the
end
of
last
fiscal
year
for
reparations,
and
we
are
you
know
awaiting
those
recommendations
from
the
commission.
We
have
proposed
an
additional
365
000
in
in
next
year's
budget
and
that
would
really
replenish
or
bring
that
2.1
back
to
that
number.
We
use
some
of
that
to
do
some
contracting
and
other
work
that
the
the
commission's
undertaking
to
fund
that
work.
K
So
with
that,
I
will
slide
back
into
some
of
the
the
numbers
again,
just
as
a
reminder
saw
this
slide
earlier.
K
Looking
at
how
we
fund
all
of
those
proposed
recommendations,
the
salary
recommendation
that
tony
discussed
is
about
4.9
million
and
then
the
total
of
all
of
those
additional
new
investments
is
1.7,
which
leaves
us
with
2
million
that
we
need
to
find
and
our
recommended
strategy
for
funding.
That
two
million
is
to
appropriate
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
fund
balance
and
utilize
1.6
million
dollars
in
american
rescue
plan
funding
again
to
to
fund
that
two
million
dollars.
K
So,
shifting
over
to
the
enterprise
funds,
tony
kind
of
mentioned,
I
think
most
of
the
changes
here
in
the
enterprise
funds
from
the
fund
level.
Again,
water
resources
and
storm
water
had
fee
increases.
K
So
that's
why
those
are
up
the
harris,
cherokee
center,
asheville
and
street
cut
utility
funds
are
more
or
less
business
as
usual,
and
then
we
actually
have
some
reductions
in
transit
and
parking,
which
I
will
go
into
now
and
again.
We
provided
this
information,
I
believe
at
your
last
work
session,
but
just
to
as
a
reminder
in
the
parking
fund,
we
have
an
overall
reduction
of
1.5
million
and
that's
really
primarily
due
to
lower
expected
garage
revenues.
We
have
really
high
uncertainty
on
the
trends
there.
K
We're
hoping
to
see
that
that
improve,
but
we're
trying
to
be
conservative
on
that
side
and,
as
a
result,
we've
had
to
reduce
their
operating
expenses,
including
and
capital,
and
their
support
of
the
transit
fund
just
to
balance
the
fund.
So
the
primary
places
where
those
reductions
are
are
again
that
parking
capital
going
down
from
500
000
in
the
current
year
to
150
000
and
then
the
transit
support
being
reduced
from
1.6
million
to
1
million.
K
And
again
hopefully
you
know
if
the
the
operations
and
the
revenue
in
the
parking
fund
do
improve
and
and
we
see
substantial
improvement,
we
can
make
adjustments
to
one
or
both
of
those
transfers
mid-year
next
year.
K
K
So,
to
kind
of
summarize
again
on
the
general
fund
side
needing
that
two
million
dollars
to
balance
using
fund
balance
and
arpa
to
do
that
and
then
on
the
transit
fund
side
needing
300
000
to
balance
that
fund
utilizing
an
additional
300
000
in
american
rescue
plan
funding
for
the
transit
fund,
which
would
bring
the
total
in
in
the
budget
of
american
rescue
plan
funding
to
1.9.
K
Council
only
adopts
the
next
year,
the
first
year,
which
is
fiscal
year
2022-23
in
our
plan,
but
we
do
have
a
five-year
plan.
So
we've
highlighted
that
that
first
column
in
green
there
is
a
slight
increase
from
our
previous
plan
and
we
just
wanted
to
hit
on.
This
is
not
an
exhaustive
list
of
all
of
the
changes
in
our
five-year
plan,
but
we
did
want
to
mention
these
some
funding
for
memorial
stadium,
some
additional
funding
or
significant
funding
for
repairs.
K
Excuse
me
to
the
municipal
building
a
we
had
a
landslide,
rather
on
vance
gap
road.
We
expect
that
that
project's
going
to
be
funded
through
fema,
but
that's
budgeted.
We
also
have
a
new
funding
for
the
municipal
golf
course
burton
street
park
and
in
out
years,
so
not
included
in
fy23,
but
in
the
five-year
plan.
Some
additional
funding
for
livingston
street.
K
And
just
mention
that
this
is
going
to
help
us
for
the
future.
K
And
just
wanted
to
end
on
the
key
takeaways
again
our
recommendations
being
based
on
all
the
work
that
we've
done.
Your
priorities,
information
we've
gathered
previously
needing
to
stay
competitive
in
the
labor
market
is
really
critical
for
us
and
we
have
limited
capacity
to
fund
significant,
newer,
expanded
services
without
that
fund
balance,
appropriation
or
arpa.
I
Mayor,
if
I
could
repeat
again
that
the
last
two
years
have
brought
many
challenges,
but
we've
continued
to
work
together
to
overcome
those
challenges
and
as
we
look
ahead
to
next
fiscal
year,
I'm
very
excited
about
the
opportunity
to
work
with
council
staff
in
the
community
to
move
ahead
with
the
key
initiatives
recommended
to
be
funded
in
this
budget.
That
we
believe
will
improve
internal
operations
but,
most
importantly,
enhance
the
lives
of
people
who
live,
work
play
and
do
business
in
the
city
of
asheville.
A
Thank
you,
steph,
thank
you
and
I
and
let
me
echo
the
thanks
for
all
the
hard
work,
we're
not
done,
obviously
with
this
process,
but
thank
you.
Thank
you
all
to
staff
and
the
management
team
to
for
putting
together
the
budget
and
council
for
all
the
work
so
far
and
all
the
work
sessions
we've
done.
So
here's
what
I
would
suggest
just
in
terms
of
this
part.
A
This
is
the
opportunity
for
council
to
give
feedback
to
the
manager
so
that,
if,
if
there
are
changes
that
we
want
to
see
in
the
final
budget,
we
can
make
those
you
know
questions
or
concerns
known
at
this
time.
If
there
are
questions
for
staff
for
tony
or
taylor,
let's
ask
those
and
then
otherwise
release
them
to
sit
down
and
cough
or
whatever
they
need
to
do.
While
we,
while
we
give
feedback
to
the
manager.
So
do
you
if
there
are
questions,
let's
go
ahead
and
yeah.
C
I
just
may
I
just
make
a
suggestion
that
if
council
members
are
want
to
make
changes
to
the
budget
to
the
proposed
budget,
that
they
give
the
offset
that,
if
there's
a
proposed
increase
in
expense,
I'd
like
to
hear
where
they
would
expect
a
resulting
decrease
in
expense
or
if
they
are
proposing
an
increase
in
taxes.
So
you
know
everybody
wants
you
know
we
all
want
to
do
more.
C
We
all
want
to
provide
more
services,
etc,
but
we
also
realize
that
it's,
the
revenue
side
of
it
is
taxes,
it's
basically
property
taxes.
So
I'm
not
trying
to
shut
down
conversation,
but
I
would
suggest
that
if,
if
council
members
are
questioning
or
wanting
increases
in
certain
expenses,
if
they
could
offer
suggestions
as
to
where
those
funds
would
come
from.
D
So
you
know
using
ms
swizzler's
example,
so
I
heard
that
the
300
000
from
arpa
general
can
offset
that
I
guess
is
eligible
for
transit
can
help
offset
some
of
the
transit
losses
that
the
parking
incomes
cannot
cover.
Are
there
additional?
D
K
A
A
The
issue,
I
think,
is
going
to
be
not
to
answer
for
you,
but
the
recurring
cost.
So
when
you
build
in
a
recurring
expense
into
the
budget
like
a
salary
as
opposed
to
a
one-time
allocation,
you
got
to
figure
out
how
you're
going
to
build
that
in
year
over
year-
and
I
I
know
we're
trying
to
be
conservative
about
our
projections
for
the
growth
over
the
course
of
the
next
year,
because
we
don't
know
what
the
economy
is
going
to
do.
But
do
you
all
I
mean
you
all
are
already
allocating
one
point.
A
D
Is
specific,
though,
to
this
enterprise
fund
and
this
parking
lot?
So
I'm
my
follow-up
question
I
guess
would
be:
have
we
stopped
the
bleeding,
because
I
know
we
had
equipment
failure.
I
know
we
had
covid
that
we
decided
as
a
body
to
not
charge
parking
and
to
allow
those
fees
to
slip.
But
then
we
had
equipment
failure
and
at
some
point
that
must
be
remedied,
and
that
is
a
direct
impact
to
this
large
law.
So
have
we
have
we
stopped
the
bleeding
or.
A
D
K
I
will
say
we
do
still
have
some
lingering
impacts
of
covid
and
that
really
is
specifically
on
the
monthly
parking.
I
I
think
we
don't
know
the
specifics
of
that,
but
the
assumption
is
that
we
have
a
lot
less
monthly
parkers
than
we
did
pre-pandemic
and
that's
a
result
of
you
know
people
continuing
to
to
work
remotely
or
or
that
kind
of
thing,
so
that
I
think
that
that
is
that
specifically,
is
certainly
continuing
to
impact
parking.
K
You
know
another
thing
that
again,
I
think,
has
started
to
come
back
in
in
a
much
stronger
way,
probably
even
over
the
last
few
months
is
events
here
at
the
civic
center.
You
know,
that's
the
special
event
parking,
I
think
is
is
impactful
as
well,
so
there's
a
variety
of
things
and
you
know
not
having
had
the
history
over
the
last,
you
know
really
couple
years
of
of
something
to
utilize
to
kind
of
base.
Some
estimates
on
we.
H
K
Certainly
trying
to
be
conservative
in
the
parking
fund,
which
is
why
we
you.
G
K
K
I
think
the
main
issues
have
been
resolved.
I
think
we
are
still
having
some
issues
where
there's
some
you
know
intermittent
inoperability,
but
that's
something
that
we're
continuing
to
work
through
with
the
with
the
contractor,
but.
B
So
I
think
the
part
that's
missing,
for
the
public
is
just
an
understanding
that
we're
ultimately
backing
out
of
last
year's
commitment
to
expand
service
to
10
pm
on
all
routes,
30
of
our
routes
end
at
or
before
7
30.,
and
we
raised
property
taxes
last
year
in
part
with
the
commitment
that
we
were
going
to
expand
service
to
south
asheville,
and
we
were
going
to
extend
transit
service
for
the
bus
to
all
routes,
till
10
pm,
which
means
making
it
easier
for
folks
not
to
just
get
to
work
but
to
get
home
from
work
and
we're
backing
out
of
that
commitment.
B
Even
though
the
the
impact
of
property
tax
has
disproportionately
impacted
historic,
black
neighborhoods,
working
class
and
renting
folks,
not
just
for
folks
who
are
renting
where
they
live,
but
also
where
they
work
or
where
they
run
a
business.
So
with
that,
I
just
want
to
point
out.
It
is
even
more
important
that
we
stay
busy
with
the
accountability
on
the
feasibility
study.
B
The
city
and
the
county
have
an
opportunity
to
work
together
to
find
a
dedicated
funding
stream
for
transit
and
all
of
that
funding
would
go
to
expanding
transit,
whether
it's
evening,
hours,
whether
it's
more
frequencies,
the
bus
is
coming
more
often
or
if
it's
expanding
into
the
county.
So
that
to
me
tells
me
that
we
have
an
opportunity
to
look
for
a
different
funding
stream,
but
that
we
absolutely
need
to
do
it.
B
One
of
the
curiosities
I
have
is
I'm
hearing
a
lot
of
input
from
the
public
about
reparations,
and
is
this
enough,
and
I
I
do
appreciate
that
we
have
a
line
item
because
it
shows
intent
when
we've
gathered
the
reparations
commission
that
we're
showing
that
good
faith
effort
that
we
are
going
to
show
up
with
funding
for
a
recommendation.
B
I
wonder
even
if
it
is
the
smallest
percent.
If
we
were
to
come
up
with
a
percent
of
our
budget
instead
of
a
dollar
amount,
then
we
would
show
the
intention
of
growing
the
reparations
fund
as
the
city's
budget
grows
over
the
years,
and
it
would
give
us
a
different
metric
to
look
at
over
time.
I
don't
know
if
there's
support
for
that
at
this
group.
G
I'm
certainly
inclined
to
agree
with
that
and,
in
addition,
I'm
wondering
if
we
could
consider
moving
when
it
when
it
comes
in
some
of
the
monies
that
are
in
the
reparations
fund
that
we
all
supported,
except
for
councilwoman
rony.
Is
it
possible
to
move
some
of
that
money
that
is
in
the
reparations
fund
over
to
reparations
for
housing.
I
Are
you
saying
the
benefits
table?
Yes,
yes,
absolutely,
and
that
that
that
was
our
intent
and
mayor.
If
I
could
just
make
a
comment
about
the
transit,
the
I
guess,
the
terminology
of
backing
out
is
not
our
intent.
I
Our
biggest
challenge
is
drivers
to
actually
implement
the
expansion
and
we're
working
with
our
vendor.
That's
why
we
have
recommended
an
increase
in
the
hourly
rate,
work
again
working
with
the
vendor
in
order
for
us
to
improve
opportunities
to
get
the
drivers
in
order
for
us
to
to
do
any
kind
of
well.
I
Actually,
before
we
do
expansion,
we
ought
to
do
maintenance,
we've
already
reduced
service
hours
and
service
frequency,
and
so
it
is
it's
a
tough
time
for
transit,
and
this
is
you
know,
I
hate
to
continue
to
say
this,
but
this
is
just
not
a
local
issue.
This
is
a
national
crisis
as
it
relates
to
transit.
I
We
are
committed
to
a
community
that
has
reliable
transit
services
and
choices
for
mobility.
We
as
staff
are
committed.
We
are
working
through
some
issues.
There
is
no
doubt,
but
I
I
just
don't,
want
the
community
to
think
we
are
backing
out
where
this
isn't
backing
out.
This
is
trying
to
adjust
to
national
trends.
B
I
also
think
it's
important
for
us
to
let
the
public
know
that
we
made
a
commitment
that
we
can
no
longer
meet
so
first,
we
have
to
secure
our
staffing
make
sure
that
we're
retaining
a
recruiting
driver
so
that
we
can
meet
our
current
obligations,
but
we
are
no
longer
committed
to
expanding
evening
service
until
we
do
that,
and
so
that
means
that
conversation
will
be
the
next
year
or
the
next
year
the
next
year,
but
if
anyone's
wondering
why
we
weren't
doing
what
we
said,
we
were
going
to
do
last
year.
H
K
The
general
fund
support
of
transit
is
the
same
so
so
we
have
not
reduced
the
general
fund
support
that
was
increased
last
year.
A
But
it
but
the
cost
of
providing
the
services
increasing.
Yes,
we
yeah,
I
would,
I
think
it's
important
to
note
I
mean
this
council
has
always
voted
unanimously
to
support
the
increase
and
expansion
of
transit
services
and
the
increased
costs
that
go
along
with
that.
A
A
I
think
money
would
help
deal
with
our
maintenance
and
bus
inventory,
but
but
in
terms
of
the
direct,
but
hopefully
you
know
I
I
would
be
curious
to
know
and
we're
providing
for
pay
increases
for
drivers,
but
I
it
would
be
helpful
to
me,
I
think,
in
the
future,
for
council
to
hear
from
the
management
company
a
little
bit
more
detail
about
how
they're
trying
to
attack
the
issue
and
shore
up
their
staffing
issues
and
what
else
we
could
do
to
help
them
in
that
effort.
A
Does
anyone
else
have
any
other
questions
or
or
maybe
I'm
not
sure
if.
B
I
had
one
remaining,
so
the
last
one
is
in
regards
to
public
safety,
so
I'm
again
repeating
the
request
to
freeze
10
vacancies
and
public
safety
departments,
which
we
know
that
we
can't
fill
with
our
current
strategies
so
that
we
can
meet
our
service
obligations
by
adapt
to
adaptation.
B
These
openings
could
make
space
to
join
the
buncombe
county.
Community
paramedicine
program
are
partnering
with
community-led
safety
efforts
to
address
the
safe,
the
disparities
in
public
safety
services,
around
homelessness,
the
opioid
crisis
and
violence,
interrupter
programs
for
our
youth
and
families
led
by
the
community.
B
C
A
J
Yeah,
just
just
just
quickly
on
that-
and
I
think
you're
talking
about
referring
to
staffing
council
member
whistler,
we're
not.
We
budgeted
this
fiscal
year
assuming
there'd
be
50
vacancies
all
year
long
next
year
we're
budgeting
assuming
there's
going
to
be
40
vacancies.
So
even
though
there
has
been
some
improvement,
they're
still
down
and
they're
not
going
to
be
back
to
the
level
that
they
were
at
historically
even
next
year.
I
know
the
department
is
planning
two
hirings.
J
I
C
B
I
I
did
not
know
that
we
had
someone
our
our
contractor,
our
vendor
for
transit
services,
and
I
know
the
mayor
had
said
you
really
wanted
to
hear
from
our
contractors.
So
we
have
someone
who
can
respond
to
some
of
the.
If
you
could
respond
to
some
of
the
concerns
and
issues
that
you
heard
that
council
raised,
I
appreciate
that
you're.
M
Thanks,
my
name
is
barry
reiling.
I
am
the
general
manager
for
the
vendor.
That
runs
the
art
operations
for
the
city
and
we
work
closely
with
the
city
on
all
the
things
that
are
done
with
the
transit
there
there.
There
is
a
huge
struggle
in
attracting
commercial
drivers
to
asheville,
and
we
have
somewhat
of
a
a
unique
situation
here
and
I
have
been
in
several
different
regions
of
the
country,
running
transit
and
all
of
us
are
struggling
to
attract
people
into
this
business.
M
M
A
year
ago,
year
and
a
half
ago,
we
wouldn't
hire
anybody
that
didn't
have
a
cdl.
We
had
that
kind
of
volume
of
people
coming
to
us.
You
can
barely
get
those
now,
so
we've
adjusted
all
of
the
training
process
to
certify
people
with
a
commercial
driver's
license.
So
that's
an
involved
process,
but
that's
what
we've
done.
We've
adjusted
training
rate
used
to
be
15
bucks
an
hour.
It's
now
18.78
an
hour.
M
All
those
things
we've
done
to
try
and
attract
and
keep
and
maintain
the
funding
that's
talked
about
here
in
this
next
budget
will
affect
not
it
isn't
just
drivers,
but
it
can
be
utility,
the
cleaners,
the
technicians,
the
supervisors,
the
dispatchers,
the
customer
service,
reps.
All
of
those
positions
can
be
impacted
by
this
funding.
That
you're
talking
about
doing.
Is
this
the
magic
bullet?
M
I
don't
think
any
of
us
can
answer
that.
It's
the
same
issues
you're
having
with
whether
you
go
17
bucks
an
hour
for
a
living
wage
with
the
city,
we're
sitting
at
17
or
1878
first
starting
wage,
so
it
hasn't
solved
all
those
issues.
I
will
also
say
that
in
the
trucking
industry,
because
there
is
such
a
a
mass
of
trucking
in
this
region
right
here-
that's
who
we're
competing
against
and
those
agencies
were
all
able
to
just
turn
around
and
jack
rates
for
employees
they're
still
short.
M
M
Next
week
I
got
15
people
coming
in
the
door
for
starting
in
mid-june
late
june,
but
I
ca,
I
can't
say
that
and
that's
different
been
at
it
for
quite
a
while,
and
none
of
our
operations
across
the
country
can
say
that,
because
it
just
isn't
just
about
the
dollar
anymore,
and
we
have.
We
have
a
tremendous
benefit
package,
but
that
our
objective
is
to
get
it
there.
I
have
never
told
a
client.
No,
I
can't
expand
your
service
in
my
30
years
in
this
industry.
M
I've
never
faced
anything
like
we've
faced
the
last
couple
of
years,
we're
all
going
through
that
we'll
come
through
it
we'll
get
through
it.
There's
a
lot
of
things
stares
in
the
face
in
the
very
short
term
as
well.
So
as
we
go
through
that
our
commitment
is
to
get
it
there
and
to
make
it
work,
make
it
work
right.
We're
short!
That's
why
we've
worked
with
the
city,
our
thought
process
in
working
with
city
transit?
M
Was
we
don't
want
whenever
possible,
you
don't
want
to
leave
people
stranded
with
no
notice,
so
do
the
cuts.
We
need
to
do
so,
we're
sure
to
cover
all
the
rest
of
it
as
we
possibly
can
and
there's
still
instances
where,
if
you
have
enough
call
outs,
you
don't
have
anybody
to
go.
Do
that
and
those
are
the
things
you
want
to
try
to
avoid
in
our
business.
That's
what
we
try
to
do.
D
Thank
you
so
much
for
being
here
to
share
that.
I
really
appreciate
that
additional
context.
Would
you
say
from
your
experience
that
this
trend
is
continuing
to
trend
downward,
that
we
might
actually
see
additional
shortages
and
face
cuts
to
other
routes?
I
mean,
I
know
it's
a
guess,
but.
M
It's
a
guess.
I
I
will
tell
you
that
in
the
last
four
weeks
we've
seen
a
little
well,
it
definitely
isn't
dropping
off.
So
I
hope
and
pray
it
keeps
going
this
this
way.
So
that's
kind
of
exciting.
You
know
we
have
a
weekly
weekly
call
about
recruitment
and
all
the
areas
that
we're
going
after
and
all
of
our
operations
across
the
country
and
specifically
for
us,
we
have
our.
We
have
a
we've
hired
a
full-time
recruiter
we've.
M
D
Thank
you
so
much.
It
really
makes
me
feel
better
to
know
that
our
vendor
is
also
just
in
full
support
and
recognizes
the
situation
for
what
it
is.
M
B
Thank
you
for
being
here.
Can
you
speak
to
not
just
to
the
drivers
and
support
staff
that
we
contract
with,
but
also
for
your
staff,
that
in
our
contract,
are
you
having
any
issues
with
keeping
that
rappy
dev
staff
so
that
they
have
the?
So
you
have
the
supervisors
and
the
management
team
to
support
our
drivers.
M
M
So
as
shortfalls
have
come
as
they
fill,
then
we'll
backfill
we've
got
a
couple
of
supervisors,
a
couple
of
dispatch
positions
that
we'll
pull
from
those
ranks
and
fill.
That's
where
you
hire
those
those
people.
You
find
the
right
ones,
you
train
them
up
and
you
bring
them
on
so
those
positions
are
affected.
Utility
short
a
couple
of
utility
we've
been
able
to
hire
an
outside
source
to
assist
with
that,
and
we
have
supervision
there
and
we
can
manage
that
group
and
keep
up
on
those
things
haven't
been
short
a
technician
in
the
three
years.
B
The
word
is:
you're
hiring.
N
N
I
agree
with
councilwoman
mosley
in
that
I
would
like
to
investigate
how
much
money
is
already
set
aside
in
our
reparations
fund,
and
I
also
like
what
councilwoman,
what
kim
was
saying
as
far
as
looking
at
percentages
instead
of
dollar
amounts,
and
the
reason
why
I
wanted
to
chime
in
is
because
last
night
there
was
a
meeting
held
by
the
commission
and
they
do
have
their
first
recommendation,
which
was
voted
on
unanimous
unanimously
by
the
commission
in
that
we
dedicate
perpetuity
an
amount
to
reparations
fund,
and
we
do
it
within
this
budget
cycle.
N
So
I
don't
know
if
that
information
has
been
passed
down,
but
I
do
believe
that
is
the
recommendation
that
will
be
an
action
that
they're
looking
for
us
to
look
into.
So
on
the
reparations
note
we
we
should
be
trying
to
figure
out
and
have
conversations
about
what
that
commitment
will
look
like
years
after
this
budget
cycle.
A
Okay,
are
there
other?
This
is.
This
is
a
the
opportunity
I
would.
I
would
offer
to
to
give
the
manager
some
feedback
on
the
budget.
I
I'm
just
gonna
offer
for
for
for
me,
and
we've
had
a
lot
of
discussion
about
this
about
the
threshold
wage,
whether
it
should
be
17
an
hour
17.70.
A
A
You
know
I
I
have
been
here
when
we've
gone
through
a
recession
and
the
managers
had
to
send
out
messages
to
all
the
departments
asking
for
10
cuts
across
the
board.
I
know
we
we,
when
you
build
up
a
budget
like
this
you've
got
to
figure
out
how
you're
going
to
pay
for
it
year
after
year
after
year.
A
I
you
know
what
I'm
struggling
with
is
I
I
don't
see
salaries,
relaxing
and
we're
hearing
that
inflation
is
likely,
it
may
stabilize,
but
prices
may
not
go
down,
and
you
know
I
I'm
I
feel
like
we,
we
we're
kind
of
at
a
point
where
we
don't
have
a
choice,
and
if
we
see
if
we
see
that
our
revenue
projections
are
not
as
strong
as
they
were,
you
know
I'm
not
sure
the
answer
is
ever
going
to
be
reducing
salaries.
It
may
be
reducing.
A
You
know
our
head
count,
which
we've
we've
been
through
that
before
in
a
recession,
so
you
know
I
don't
I
don't
I
don't.
I
hope
we
don't
get
to
that.
I
hope
that
we
can.
A
The
other
concern
I
have
is
around
the
urban
forester
and
the
study
in
top
and
talking
with
folks,
I
think
if
we
had
to
prioritize
something
it
would
be
the
study
before
the
the
position.
I
don't
know
what
what
the
cost
of
the
study
is
projected
to
be
so
I
you
know
I
would
if
there
was
a
way
to
build
that
in
obviously
I'm
not
meeting
the
requirement
of
finding.
A
I
Mayor,
if
I
could,
on
the
study,
we
did
have
bridget
look
into
what
other
communities
are
doing,
we'll
we'll
provide
you
all
with
that.
The
results
of
that
kind
of
quick
survey
that
was
done.
I
think
miss
rony
asked
us
to
do
that
and
we
did.
A
I
A
Include
it,
the
diagram
is
a
little
bizarre
looking
and
I
cannot
follow
it,
and
I
and
I
remember
you-
you
were
having
a
conversation
about
equity,
overlaying
everything
and
I
don't
know
how
how
that
should
be
represented
in
the
budget
document.
I'm
not
sure
we
capture
it
correctly
in
the
well,
at
least
in
the
illustration.
A
Let
me
just
put
it
that
way
in
the
budget
document,
but
I
I
did
see
that
and
I
thought
I'm
you
know
I
kind
of
understand
where,
where
what
we're
trying
to
get
at,
but
I'm
not
sure
it
was
accomplished
in
that
it.
My
other
question
on
the
disparity
study
that
we
have
to
have
in
order
to
do
the
minority
contracting
the
projected
cost
was
375.
Do
we
think
that's
accurate,
because
that
I
was
thinking
it
was
going
to
end
up
being
higher
than
that?
It
probably.
I
A
Okay
and
well
optimism.
A
And
on
the
reparations
line
item
just
a
question
here:
I
how
much
do
we?
How
much
is
our
recurring
allocation
for
the
affordable
housing
fund?
Five
hundred
thousand.
C
A
Hundred
thousand,
so
I
was
trying
to
think
if
we
ever
had
allocated
a
percentage
before
for
something
this
is
just
kind
of
me
sort
of.
But
I
do
remember
a
year
where
we
raised,
we
had
to
raise
taxes
and
I
think
we
earmarked
two
cents
for
deferred
maintenance,
and
I
don't
know
if
we
have
continually
adhered
to
that.
But
but
but
I
guess
just
a
question
about,
would
it
be
a
fixed
amount
or
would
it
be
a
percentage
or
would
it
be
a
pr?
A
You
know
a
penny
or
you
know
whatever
just
some
tied
to
I'm,
not
I'm
just
sort
of
rhetorically,
throwing
that
out
there.
I
don't.
Maybe
staff
has
a
suggestion
for
how
that
would
work,
but
just
if
the,
if,
if
there's
interest
in
moving
in
that
direction,
does.
A
I
think
they
are
waiting
for
a
recommendation.
They,
I
think
they.
I
think,
however,
well
at
least
preliminarily.
I
D
D
I
have
a
fun
balance.
Question
is
this:
I
don't
want
to
take
away
from
this.
This
part
of
the
conversation.
Okay,
I
heard
so
if
we
pull
the
point,
the
400
000,
what
percentage
do
we
suspect
that
leaves
our
fund
balance
at
and
for
those
listening?
We
need
to
keep
it
above.
15
percent.
J
Yeah,
so
we
would
assume
that
would
keep
us
right
around
the
15
level.
Obviously
even
this
late
in
the
fiscal
year,
we
still
don't
have
a
really
good
idea
where
we're
going
to
end
the
year.
You
know
some
of
our
sales
tax
revenue
is
three
months
behind,
so
we're
still
getting
that
in
and
everything.
D
This
is
really
interesting.
I
do
want
to
point
this
out.
So,
as
we've
progressed
through
this
budget
calendar
we've
seen,
you
know,
we
were
always
kind
of
trying
to
guess
at
what
our
sales
tax
revenue
would
be,
and
what
we've
seen
in
the
last
few
months
is
that
it's
been
more
than
we
thought
each
time
and
I
can't
help
but
relay
that
to
people
visiting
our
community
and
spending
money
in
our
community
on
items
that
increase
that
tax
revenue.
I
just
want
to
point
that
out.
D
I
just
have
a
couple
more
comments
related
to
the
budget
and
then
I'll
be
done
so
I'll
just
share
them
real,
quick.
While
I
have
the
mic,
I
just
want
to
express
that.
I'm
still,
I
heard
that
there
will
be
some
follow-up
on
whether
or
not
retention
bonuses
may
occur
or,
if
there's
a
plan
for
that-
and
I
just
want
to
share
that.
D
I
continue
to
be
concerned
about
our
low
numbers
in
the
police
department
and
we
do
this
wonderful
thing
where
we
pay
for
the
training
during
while
they're
being
trained
and
at
the
end.
Sometimes
we
lose
officers
to
surrounding
areas
with
this
excellent
training
and
I'm
just
hoping
that
we
will
look
into
some
kind
of
retention
bonus
for
the
end
of
that
blet
training
just
to
share,
and
then
I
think
no,
that's
all
I'm
going
to
say
that'll.
Be
my
last
comment.
Thank
you.
N
Since
we're
on
a
public
safety
note,
can
you
all
hear
me
we
can
hear
you
cool
since
on
a
public
safety
note,
I
really
want
to
understand
what
councilwoman
roney
is
explaining,
because
I
do
want
to
diversify
our
public
safety
response,
but
to
dovetail
what
gwen
said,
I
don't
want
to
have
shortages
around
control
or
investigation,
but
I
I
don't
I
don't.
I
can't
grasp
all
that
you're
saying
councilwoman
rony,
but
being
that
I
have
an
interest
there.
I
I
kind
of
want
you
to
explain
a
little
bit
more.
B
So
when
I
brought
this
up
last
time
and
the
last
budget
cycle,
what
we
I
think
we
need
to
ask
staff
to
do
and
potentially
would
bring
it
to
a
public
safety
committee
meeting
is
what
would
it
look
like?
What
would
our
projections
look
like
for
the
year
if
we
pulled
10
positions
worth
of
staffing
aside
from
all
over
or
from
both
of
our
public
safety
departments?
Just
to
look
at
like
what
it
would
look
like
to
bring
in
10
different
positions?
B
We
don't
even
we
don't
even
have
that
opportunity
right
now,
because
we're
only
earmarking
for
two
different
departments.
So
if
we
look
at
what
durham
is
doing
simply
giving
ourselves
the
room
to
adapt,
we
would
need
to
see
that
projection
from
staff.
I
don't
the
reason
we
don't
have
numbers
or
anything
specific
to
look
at
is
because
we
haven't
yet
had
a
staff
recommendation
or
the
council
support
to
ask
for
a
staff
recommendation
out
of
my,
except
for
my
own
request.
B
I'm
not
making
that
recommendation.
I
would
ask
staff
to
make
a
recommendation
about
what
it
would
look
like
to
pull
ten
vacancies,
whether
that
would
be
dollar
amount
levels
which
departments
could
pull
it.
I
wouldn't
get
into
the
details
of
that,
because
I
would
seek
a
staff
recommendation
on
what
that
would
look
like.
C
C
I
mean
that's
the
budget
for
40
vacancies
from
a
couple
years
ago
when
they
would
consider
themselves
fully
staffed.
I
guess
so
when
you
say
vacancies,
are
you
saying
current
vacancies
that
we're
planning
to
fill.
B
Of
us
just
budgeting
for
vacancies
and
police
and
fire
that
we
make
a
plan
to
add
10
different
positions
addressing
our
current
vacancies,
and
this
is
why
I've
asked
weeks
and
months
ago-
not
just
at
this
last
moment
and
I'm
glad
that
we're
having
this
conversation
now,
but
it
is
at
the
last
moment
so
at
this.
At
this
moment.
I
think
the
best
thing
that
we
could
ask
staff
to
do
is
press
pause
on
10
positions
and
not
plan
to
fill
those
vacancies.
B
N
N
I
think
the
best
thing
to
do
is
just
to
follow
up
with
this
conversation
during
the
next
public
safety
meeting,
because
I'm
confu
I'm
confused
about
what
you're
asking,
but
I
support
the
direction
you're
going,
but
but
I'm
not
sure
that
this
is
a
conversation
for
this
budget
discussion,
because
I
don't
know
if
you're
asking
for
10
vacancies
that
I
mean
10
spots
that
have
already
been
budgeted
for
or
we're
recreating
something
new.
It
sounds
like
you
don't
know
that
answer.
N
So
maybe
we
should
just
have
this
there's
a
follow-up
conversation
at
the
next
public
safety
so
that
we
can
kind
of
dig
a
little
deeper
and
get
your
full
mind
and
maybe
get
some
staff
recommendations.
That's
if
they
understand.
B
B
This
conversation
at
the
public
safety
committee
about
adding
a
violence
interrupter
program
do
we
have
a
full
understanding
of
how
that
violence,
interrupter
program
would
be
fleshed
out
or
staffed
or
funded,
not
necessarily,
but
there
is
a
staff
instruction
to
continue
forward
with
that.
We've
also
talked
about
youth,
mentorship
programs
and
partnering
within
the
community.
With
that
we
don't
yet
know
how
many
staff
that
will
require
how
many
staff
hours
that
would
require
how
many
dollar
amounts
that
would
be,
and
yet
the
work
continues.
N
C
A
C
C
While
we're
we're
all
debbie
downering
right
now,
there
was
one
positive.
We
went
to
a
legislative
breakfast
the
other
morning
and
the
senator
senator
edwards
said
that
the
possibility
that
the
reallocation
of
the
td
tda
funds,
the
current
proposal
to
move
it
from
67
percent
to
75
percent
and
or
just
I'm
75
to
60
67.
C
He
said
it
had
a
good
chance
of
passing,
so
that
will,
while
not
being
the
same
level
of
funding
that
we
would
love
to
see
from
tda.
It
would
be
more
than
we've
got
now
and
you
know
so
that
hopefully,
will
have
a
positive
effect.
C
D
A
A
Okay,
we're
going
to
move
into
the
public
hearings
portion
of
our
agenda
and
the
first
is
a
public
hearing,
okay,
a
public
and
again
for
anybody
who
joined
us
since,
since
we
started,
if
you
do
want
to
sign
up
for
one
of
these
items
to
speak
on
it,
please
just
make
your
way
to
the
table.
You
passed
on
your
way
in
and
be
sure
to
sign
up
to
speak
under
the
items.
A
O
Good
evening
it's
leslie
carrero,
I'm
the
assistant
director
and
the
way
you
can
remember
that
is
it
rhymes
with
camaro.
A
We
need
a
presentation:
okay,
yeah.
O
Anyways,
so
yes,
I'm
leslie
carrera,
I'm
the
assistant
director
for
water
resources.
I
come
to
you
today
just
to
give
you
a
little
bit
of
more
background
on
the
development
fees,
requirements
of
the
state
and
so
anyways
system.
Development
fees
are
a
one-time
charge
imposed
on
new
development
to
fund
costs
of
capital
improvements
necessitated
by
and
attributed
to
such
new
development
or
to
recoup
costs
from
existing
facilities
of
existing
facilities.
O
to
conform
to
the
north
carolina
general
statute.
162
a
209.
The
analysis
must
be
posted
on
the
city's
website
for
for
no
less
than
45
days
and
furnish
a
means
to
submit
written
comments
prior
to
considering
adoption.
The
analysis
was
posted
on
march
29
2022
and
met
the
45-day
requirement
on
may
16
2022..
O
There
were
no
comments
received,
so
it's
our
department's
recommendation
that
the
council
adopt
the
water
resources
department's,
updated
development
fees,
analysis
for
the
fiscal
year,
2022-23.
A
Is
is
this
what
what
what
we
might
have
once
called
a
tap
fee
or
just
a
one-time
fee
paid
upon
construction
when
you're
building
something
new?
Yes,
it's
not
it's
not
paid
by
regular
customers.
It's
paid
for
when
you're
building
something
new
and
you're
tapping
onto
the
system.
A
A
Okay
and
we,
we
did
open
and
close
the
public
hearing.
Okay,
and
I
will
do
a
roll
call
vote.
Vice
mayor,
I
myself,
I
councilwoman
whistler
aye
councilwoman
kilgore
aye,
councilwoman,
roney,
aye,
councilwoman,
mosley,
aye,
councilwoman
turner,
hi
all
right.
Thank
you
very
much.
Okay,
all
right!
Next,
we
have
the
reed
creek
project,
which
we
got
a
little
preview
of
when
we
talked
about
parking
earlier.
A
A
P
P
P
P
The
city
did
sell
two
of
the
five
six
seven
parcels
directly
to
the
developer
and
as
a
part
of
those
sales,
we
have
deed
restrictions
on
those
properties
that
20
of
the
units
would
be
affordable
at
60
ami
for
25
years
and
then
30
years.
So
the
first
restriction
for
one
piece
of
property
was
25
years.
We
sold
a
second
piece
of
property
directly
to
them
and
there's
a
deed
restriction
there
that
you
know
brought
both
of
them
to
30
years.
P
And
just
to
be
clear,
generally
speaking,
when
the
city
transfers
property
or
sells
property,
we
go
through
an
rfp
process
or
a
highest.
You
know
bidding
process
because
there
was
a
public
good
associated
with
these
properties
we
would
be
able
to.
We
were
able
to
do
a
direct
sale
negotiated
agreement
with
them.
P
Yes,
ma'am,
so
this
property
is
located
at
the
edge
of
montford.
It's
just
east
of
the
re
here.
It
reads
like
it's
north,
but
just
next
to
the
reed
creek
greenway,
the
total
site
is
1.5
acres
and
the
site.
The
part
of
this
property,
that's
going
to
be
affordable.
Housing
is
0.4
of
an
acre,
so
here's
a
site
plan
will
will
be
up
here
in
just
a
few
minutes
to
talk
about
their
conditional
zoning.
P
I've
actually
talked
about
all
of
these,
but
the
developer
we're
estimating
right
now.
The
cost
of
the
development
is
around
9
million.
I
expect
that
number
to
come
down
when
it
gets
basically
valued
by
the
buncombe
county
tax
department
at
co.
So
this
is
a
construction
cost.
It's
pretty
difficult
to
kind
of
to
figure
out
what
your
tax
value
is
going
to
be
in
the
future.
P
So,
just
briefly,
here's
a
summary
of
the
points
there
they've
put
on
their
application
and
they're
qualifying
for
20
of
the
units
in
the
30
years
in
the
in
the
luige
matrix
of
points.
The
30
years
gets
you
an
additional
10
points,
10
rental
assistance,
meaning
10
of
all
the
units
will
accept
vouchers
or
other
forms
of
rental
assistance.
That
gets
you
an
additional
10
points.
P
They
get
10
points
for
location,
there's
a
brown
field
as
a
part
of
this
development
and
they're
also
doing
energy
efficiency,
green
building,
certification,
solar
panels,
which
gets
them
to
30
points
and
then,
lastly,
universal
design
for
20
of
the
units
gets
you
10
points.
So
this
brings
us
to
105
points
which
is
really
the
maximum.
This
policy
allows
for
21
years
of
a
benefit,
so
I
apologize
for
all
the
words,
there's
a
lot
of
words
on
the
slide,
but
we
basically
take
the
current
day
tax
value
of
the
property
and
they're
paying.
P
Today
about
a
thousand
dollars
a
year
and
that's
really
for
vacant
land,
and
they
will
continue
to
pay
that,
throughout
the
grant
program
life
the
21
years,
using
that
9
million
dollar
construction
estimate,
the
property
tax
would
be
36
that
close
to
37
000
a
year.
We
subtract
the
1
000
and
the
difference
is
the
35
850..
So
that's
what
we
would
be
granting
back
so
how
this
works
is
the
the
project
pays
their
taxes
and
the
city
grants
them
back
and
we
do
monitoring
of
that
afford
those
affordable
units
throughout
the
project.
P
So
what
this
means
is
the
total
grant
would
be
100,
752,
000
close
to
753
000
total,
which
comes
to
about
60
close
to
three
thousand
dollars
per
unit
subsidy,
which
is
below
kind
of
our
eighty
thousand
dollar
unit
kind
of
cap
in
our
minds,
and
also
I
still
do
expect
this
to
be
lower
in
the
end.
By
the
time
we
get
to
the
value
valuation
by
buncombe,
county
and
then.
Lastly,
after
21
years,
the
city
will
receive
the
full
taxes
without
any
grants.
P
Hcd
saw
this
application
on
may
17th
and
voted
three
to
zero
to
recommend
this
today
at
the
finance
committee,
the
committee
voted
two
to
one
to
recommend
this,
and
I
guess
I
would
say
you
know
part
of
the
issue
that
came
up
today
at
finance.
Was
you
know
if
this,
the
deed
restriction
is
already
in
place
for
the
20
at
60
ami
for
30
years?
Are
we
granting?
Are
we
double
dipping
here
for
points,
and
I
guess
what
I
would
say
is
you
know
staff
did
discuss
this
with
them.
P
I
think
at
one
point
in
the
in
the
past
they
have
been
in
discussions
with
past
staff
over
the
years
with
this
you
know
intention
to
apply
for
this.
They
did
pay
market
value
for
the
land,
so
they
did
not
get
a
break
on
that
value
like
some
some
other
projects,
so.
A
So
that
I
was
going
to
ask
that
because
well
usually,
usually
we
don't
really
have
that
many
examples
yet,
but
we
hope
to
have
many
more
examples.
I
mean
to
to
agree
to
the
deed
restriction
on
affordability.
They
what
what
was
it
that
just
the
fact
that
they
got
the
land
was
it.
H
A
D
Yeah,
but
we
also
so,
interestingly,
because
I
was
in
the
finance
committee
meeting
today
and
I've
been
thinking
about
it
since
the
meeting-
and
you
know
we
don't
have
any
policies
that
you
know,
make
different
subsidies
like
mutually
exclusive
or
something
we
don't
have.
You
know
if
you
get
this
one,
you
can't
get
that
one
and
we
may
need
to
revisit
that
in
the
future
right,
but
right
now,
our
our
only
example
is
the
360
hillyard,
which
is
next
to
the
aston
tennis
courts.
D
If
you
recall,
and
they
we
gave
them
a
direct
sale
of
the
land
in
exchange
for
the
affordable
housing
component.
But
we
also
went
from
the
appraised
value
and
I
think
we
cut
it
to
50
percent,
and
then
we
also
layered
on
a
housing
trust
fund
loan.
So
we
did
multiple
subsidy
stacks
there
to
make
that
project
work.
So
in
my
mind,
this
is
similar.
A
I
think
it's
a
good,
I
mean
I
will
say
we
we
probably
do
need
to
get
well.
We
do
need
to
have
clarity.
This
is
exciting
because
we
have
more
people
willing
to
participate,
which
is
great
on
the
one
hand,
but
we
do
need
to
get
some
clarity
on.
Do
you
get
to
kind
of
venn
diagram,
all
the
different
programs
and
use
it
use
yeah
so
anyway,
and
with.
C
I
get
this.
I
love
this
project,
I'm
not,
but
I
do
feel
like
we're,
basically
incentivizing
a
developer
to
adhere
to
their
deed
restriction
that
they
agreed
to
now,
and
so
that
to
me
feels
a
little
not
right,
but
I
also
recognize
that
that,
under
the
weeds
program,
they're
not
getting
any
benefit
for
the
fact
that
they've
added
an
additional
five
percent
and
they've
said
that's
for
30
years,
recognizing
that
it's
80
affordable.
But
that's
still
great.
C
So
if
you
go
back
to
that
slide
where
we
allocated
points,
what
I
would
propose
is
that
that
instead
of
105
points-
because
I
think
I
think
the
first
line
in
effect
is
paying-
is
incentivizing
them
for
complying
with
their
own
deed
restriction.
Now
and,
however,
I
would
give
them
back
points
for
the
fact
that
the
95
I
I'm
sorry
for
the
extra
5
that's
affordable
and
that
it's
for
the
extended
30
years.
C
C
No,
I
I
don't
know
who
it
was,
but
that's
I
don't
know
that
was
the
conversation
that
I've
been
hearing.
What
I
would
propose
is
rather
than
105
points,
it'd
be
95
points
and
that
would
give
them
19
years
of
tax,
grant
benefits
and
just
more
closely
adhere
to
the
fact
of
the
of
the
deed
restriction.
How.
P
Exactly
one
year
and
I
and
yeah
so
basically,
I
think
staff
is
good
with
whatever
you
all
vote
on.
I
will
say
that
hans
dolegast
is
here
the
developer
and
so
is
damie
with
his
with
his
team.
It's.
B
My
ad
I've
been
asking
about
renewable
energy.
When
we
have
new
projects,
can
you
speak
to
the
details
confirming
what
the
energy
efficiency
green
building
and
solar
panels
entail
and
how
we
got
to
those
points
sure.
P
And
I
don't
have
a
slide
that
shows
the
matrix
I
wish
I
did
or
the
policy,
but
basically
the
policy
outlines.
I
have
the
policy
here
with
me
how
you
qualify
for
those
points
and
I've
had
a
conversation
with
jeff
dalton
their
architect
about
this,
and
we've
discussed
different
certifications.
P
And
you
know
the
policy
outlines
a
couple
specific
and
I'm
focusing
on
this,
because
it's
a
little
bit
less.
It's
maybe
the
less
least
clear.
P
Sure
so
I
guess
what
I
would
say
is:
I
don't
think
that
entire
system
has
been
designed
yet
and
what
would
happen
if
you
know
for
some
reason
they
couldn't
do
all
the
things
they've
promised
you,
you
kind
of
lose
point.
If
you,
if
they
lost
points,
the
grant
would
be
for
a
shorter
time,
but
I
think
jeff
seems
to
feel
seems
to
feel
fairly
confident
about
this.
So
in
our
policy,
it
references
green
built
home
certification
by
the
greenbelt
alliance
or
systems
vision
by
nchfa
there's
another
certification
process.
H
Q
My
name
is
damie
sisay,
I'm
an
attorney
with
allen,
stalin
kilbourne.
To
answer
your
question.
I
apologize
jeff
dalton
is
not
present
here
this
evening.
His
daughter
is
graduating
and
we
thought
that
it
was
important
that
he
be
there,
and
so
I'm
here
to
field
the
questions
that
you
would
ordinarily
ask
him.
Q
But
please
bear
with
me
that
I'm
not
an
engineer,
but
our
my
understanding
is
that
we
will
be
able
to
provide
solar
panels
for
all
of
the
common
amenities
in
the
building,
but
not
for
individual
units,
and
part
of
that
is
because
there
are
state
laws
that
prevent
us
from
offering
utilities
in
that
manner
outside
of
utility
companies.
B
Q
You
so
we're
limited
as
to
what
we
can
do,
and
would
you
like
me
to
address
some
of
your
other
questions
or
council
members
whistler's
proposal
now
or
would
you
like
me
to
speak
after
mr
palm
quistas?
Did
I
butcher
your
name?
Well,
okay,
great.
Q
Q
Okay,
perfect,
I
I
think
in
this
this
this
matter
is
similar
to
360
hilliard,
and
you
mentioned
councilwoman
turner,
some
of
the
benefits
that
they
received,
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
clear
that,
in
this
situation,
my
client
or
the
developer
here
has
only
received-
has
paid
market
value,
fair
market
value
for
the
land
that
they
purchased
from
the
city
as
well
as
d.o.t,
and
they
have
own
the
only
benefit.
Q
Truly
that
we're
receiving
is
this
luigi
in
exchange
for
all
of
those
consensus
concessions
that
we've
made.
I
also
want
to
remind
the
council
that
the
agreement
that
the
developer
entered
into
with
the
city
was
more
than
five
years
ago,
and
that
was
before
the
pandemic
occurred,
and
that
means
that
this
developer
came
into
this
agreement
with
you
know
the
desire
to
provide
affordable
housing
in
this
community,
and
we
know
now,
even
more
so
than
then
that's
a
truly
important
thing.
The
problem
now,
though,
is
that
covet
has
occurred
and
our
financial
situation
has
changed.
Q
Cost
of
construction
has
changed.
Cost
of
labor
has
significantly
increased.
I
heard
you
all
speaking
earlier
about
some
of
the
concerns
in
labor
and
I
heard
the
person
the
contractor
involved
with
transit
talking
about
the
cost
in
just
that
area
as
well,
and
so
that
significantly
impacted
this
development.
Q
That's
taken
five
years
to
get
to
you
today
and
the
problem
with
that
is
in
order
for
this
to
be
feasible
and
for
us
to
add
these
affordable
units
that
again,
we
truly
didn't
receive
any
benefit
for
we
are
now
being
it
would
be
substantially
difficult,
if
not
impossible,
for
us
to
do
what
you're
asking
for
councilwoman
whistler-
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
the
council
is
also
clear
that
not
only
are
we
adding
5
additional
affordability
at
30
years,
the
luigi
only
requires
20
affordability
at
80
ami
for
30
years
we
were
offering
25
affordability,
20
at
60
ami,
but
an
additional
5
at
80
ami
and
all
of
those
units
25
of
this
development
at
30
years.
Q
Affordability,
I
think
that's
significantly
more
than
the
luigi
is
asking
for
and
we're
not
only
and
in
addition,
initially
with
the
deed
restriction,
there
was
no
discussion
of
housing
choice
vouchers,
but
we're
offering
that
now
at
450
on
50
of
the
units.
So
that's
an
additional
concession
that
we're
making.
We
are
also
offering
to
accept
housing,
one
person
on
from
the
homeless
by
nameless,
I
have
represented
several
clients
at
this
point.
We've
never
used
that
and
we're
using
that
here.
Q
I
also
want
to
make
it
clear
that
this
development
will
be
one
mile
from
an
urban
or
job
center.
We
are
a
half
mile
from
trans
transit,
amenities
or
transport
amenities
and
we're
offering
the
energy
efficiency
options
that
we
don't
ordinarily
see
especially
the
soda
solar
panels,
even
if
it's
in
the
common
areas.
Q
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
all
of
this
is
being
considered
and
the
fact
that
the
two
additional
units
are
going
to
cost
550
000
to
construct
for
this
grant
that,
as
you've
heard,
is
only
about
753
000,
that's
a
significant
amount
and
it
does
make
a
difference.
But
I'd
like
you
to
consider
the
totality
of
what
this
developer
is
offering,
as
you
consider
this
luigi
application.
C
And
I
just-
and
I
I
love
this-
I'm
not
saying
that,
but
the
developer
is
getting
points
for
all
the
things
you
mentioned.
C
However,
you
know
when,
when
you
say
25,
I
guess
I
just
want
to
reiterate
that
the
20
percent,
affordable
at
60
ami
for
30
years
is
part
of
a
deed
restriction
that
was
that
was
committed
to
by
your
client
whenever,
for
whatever
reason-
and
there
was
no
luige
attached
to
that
deed
restriction,
that's
my
only
point
with
this.
It's
not
that
I
disagree
that
they're
doing
good
things,
and
it's
not
that
I
disagree
that
that
that
I,
that
I
don't
want
affordable
housing,
I
want
affordable
housing.
I
think
this
is
a
great
program.
Q
I
appreciate
that
clarification.
I
just
want
to
also
make
sure
that
we
understand
that
this
they
entered
into
this
agreement
with
city
staff,
with
the
understanding
that
this
would
be
an
option
down
the
line,
and
I
understand
that
staff
is
not
able
to
bind
city
council
members,
but
I
truly
hope
that
this
council
will
support
staff
and
developers
efforts
to
come
together
and
create
great
developments
for
this
community
as
a
whole.
Thank
you
thank.
R
You
thank
you.
Oh
did
you
have
a
question.
My
only
thing
I
was
going
to
say
was.
I
greatly
appreciate
your
explanation
with
the
project
and
I
think
what
people
really
don't
take
in
consideration
is,
like
you
said,
the
cost
of
services
and
the
cost
of
goods
they.
You
know
they're,
it's
extremely
five
years
that
that's
pretty
you
know
a
large
amount,
so
I'm
really
thankful
for
the
project.
R
I
I
greatly
appreciate
you
bending
over
backward
to
try
to
make
this
work
and
if
no
one
else
has
anything
to
say,
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion.
A
Okay,
so
hold
on
on
the
motion,
because
we
got
to
do
we've
got
to
do
the
other
part,
any
other
questions
before
we
do.
The
other
part.
A
D
I'll
share
just
one
last
comment
that
to
remind
us
that
we're
always
trying
nope
just
you
can
you're.
Thank
you,
damie,
just
we're
always
trying
to
attract
more
affordable
housing
developers
to
the
area
and
then,
when
we
get
them,
we
always
say
gosh.
I
wish
they
were
local,
so
we
have
a
local
developer
adventuring
into
affordable
housing
development,
and
I
just
wanted
to
point
that
out.
Thank.
A
Thank
you.
Okay
will
you're
on
to
do
the
to
the
presentation
regarding
the
zoning
and
then
we'll
vote
on
both
these
items.
S
Evening,
mayor
members
of
council
I'll
be
be
presenting
on
the
conditional
zoning
application
for
this
project,
so
just
to
reiterate
the
existing
zoning
neighborhood
corridor
district.
As
shown
on
the
left,
the
corner
of
broadway
and
kabul,
due
to
the
project
not
being
able
to
meet
some
of
the
technical
requirements
of
the
neighborhood
corridor
district,
they
are
seeking
a
rezoning
to
neighborhood
corridor
district
conditional
zone.
S
Here's
an
aerial
image
of
the
site.
You
can
see
located
on
the
corner
there
between
residential
neighborhoods
and
the
reed
creek
and
the
reed
creek
recreational
greenway.
That's
located
behind
it.
S
As
far
as
the
future
land
use
designation
in
the
asheville
comprehensive
plan,
the
site,
which
consists
of
the
six
parcels
highlighted
in
red,
is
designated
in
a
couple
different
categories.
The
first
is
traditional
corridor
shown
in
the
blue
and
then
two
of
the
parcels
or
two
and
a
half
or
so
are
still
designated
as
parks
and
open
space,
so
a
legacy
of
the
city
ownership
before
it
was
sold.
S
So
therefore,
as
part
of
this
conditional
zoning,
the
future
land
use
would
also
be
amended
to
just
make
all
six
parcels
traditional
corridor
in
the
future.
Land
use
map.
S
So
here's
an
overview
of
the
site
plan
for
the
project
I'll
zoom
in
on
this
in
a
second
just
point
out
some
features
of
the
site,
so
vehicular
access
will
be
from
a
new
or
kind
of
an
existing
slash,
improved
driveway
on
broadway
and
cobble
street
as
well.
S
You
can
see
reed
creek
behind
the
site
and
somewhat
on
the
parcel
itself,
and
also
the
reed
creek
greenway
that
flows
beneath
it,
or
that
goes
sorry
to
this
west
of
it.
S
So
here's
a
closer
in
view
of
the
the
site
plan
for
the
proposed
project
building
a
in
the
on
the
right
is
the
the
focus
of
this
rezoning
being
proposed
as
four
to
five
stories.
So
four
stories
facing
broadway
and
then
due
to
the
slope
five
stories
facing
reed
creek,
approximately
forty
five
thousand
square
feet,
forty
four
and
a
half
feet
tall,
as
mentioned
earlier
49
units
and
that
should
read
25,
affordable,
so
12
units
total
other
considerations
regarding
the
setback
and
and
buffer
reductions.
S
I'll
speak
to
in
a
little
bit
later,
there's
also
building
b,
which
is
the
existing
building
on
the
site
shown
in
the
middle.
That
is
just
going
to
be
a
renovation
for
commercial
use
and
then
expansion
of
the
deck
to
the
rear.
S
S
They
do
not
have
concrete
plans
for
this,
but
the
building
is
proposed
at
being
between
two
and
three
stories
located
at
the
corner
of
broadway
and
kabul,
max
height
of
40
feet
max
square
footage
of
77
400,
and
it's
proposed
at
this
point
as
a
office
use,
so
that,
though,
that
might
change
and
then
there
would
be
six
feet
wide
sidewalks
on
cobble
street,
so
that
project
would
come
back
for
a
review,
probably
at
a
staff
level,
as
long
as
it
meets
those
criteria.
S
If
this
gets
approved,
just
some
building
elevations
four
stories
facing
broadway
street
five
stories
at
the
rear
facing
the
greenway,
the
side,
elevations
and
then
a
couple
of
the
renderings
that
were
shown
earlier
of
the
front
that
faces
broadway
and
then
the
rear
that
faces
the
the
greenway.
S
As
far
as
the
project's
relation
to
the
living
asheville
comprehensive
plan
staff
finds
that
it
is
consistent
with
the
future
land
use
map
by
providing
high-density
residential
development
along
with
other
compatible
non-residential
uses.
S
Furthermore,
the
project
addresses
several
of
the
goals
in
the
living
asheville
comprehensive
plan,
including
that
it
encourages
responsible
growth
by
providing
infill
development
in
targeted
growth
areas.
It
increases
the
supply
of
housing
and
proximity
to
employment,
transit
and
parks
and
provides
affordable
housing
options.
S
S
So
then,
there
are
a
few
conditions
and
technical
modifications
to
to
speak
about,
one
of
which
just
going
on
the
list
is
a
a
side
yard
setback
on
the
southern
side
of
the
property,
which
would
average
between
16
and
23
feet.
Basically,
some
of
the
project,
considerations
and
bonuses
that
are
being
considered
are
predicated
on
a
40-foot
setback
which
does
exist
between
the
project
site
and
the
reed
creek
property
boundary.
S
The
idea
is
that
neighborhood
corridor
district
uses
would
would
be
kind
of
buffered
better
between
existing
single
family
uses,
since
those
properties
to
the
south
are
city
owned
and
used
for
parks
and
open
space
staff
agreed
that
providing
the
full
40-foot
setback
would
would
not
be
necessary
and
not
be
accomplishing
any
any
real
goal
in
that
regard.
S
Furthermore,
the
reducing
of
the
property
line
buffer
to
10
feet
without
a
fence,
the
reduction
to
10
feet
is,
is
allowed
in
the
neighborhood
corridor
district,
on
the
condition
that
a
fence
is
built.
However,
again,
staff
agreed
with
the
applicant
that
the
construction
offense
between
this
property
and
then
the
neighboring
parks
and
open
space
that
the
city
owns
would
kind
of
defeat
any
real
purpose
there
and
just
block
access
to
open
space.
S
Basically,
I
guess,
what's
being
considered
and
proposed,
is
there's
a
lot
going
on
in
that
buffer
area,
one
of
which
is
that
since
it's
in
a
stream
buffer
area
every
square
foot?
That's
disturbed
has
to
be
mitigated
by
an
enhancement
of
two
square
feet
and
there's
some
disturbance
going
on.
That
adds
up
pretty
quickly,
there's
also
the
tree
canopy
preservation,
standards
that
are
being
met
in
that
buffer
area
with
existing
tree
canopy
and
therefore
it's
just
not
technically
feasible
to
plant
all
that's
required
in
that
buffer
for
the
landscape
buffer.
S
So
something
to
consider.
We
have
consulted
with
the
city
attorney
on
this
and
basically
that
it
could
be
approved
with
that
condition
tonight.
S
Here
at
this
meeting,
staff
would
staff
would
recommend
that
it
goes
back
to
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
for
their
consideration.
As
this
was
not
known
or
discussed
at
the
back
of
the
march
march
meeting,
we
also
have
the
applicant
and
the
landscaper
landscape
architect,
who
can
speak
more
about
this
in
detail
with
us
tonight
as
well.
S
So
just
some
other
project
conditions
would
be
that
the
the
future
phase
two
of
the
project
would
be
consistent
with
the
density,
mass
and
scale
of
and
this
project,
as
well
of
the
neighborhood
corridor
district,
the
architectural
detailing
that
breaks
up
the
facade,
the
pedestrian
orientation
with
wide
sidewalks,
as
suggested
in
the
neighborhood
corridor.
S
Zoning
district,
the
preservation
of
the
stream
buffer
that
we
were
just
speaking
of,
and
also
the
requirements
for
the
affordable
housing
which
were
discussed
in
the
prior
presentations,
so
25
of
which
would
be
affordable,
10
at
60,
ami
and
2
at
80,
ami
and
then
five
of
those
units
would
accept
housing,
choice,
vouchers,
there's
also
a
community
and
co-working
space
proposed
in
the
new
multi-family
building,
as
well
as
an
indoor
bike,
room
and
storage
closets
for
residents.
S
So
staff
would
have
recommended
approval
for
the
project
concurring
with
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
with
this
new
project
modification.
That
would
be
required.
Staff
would
recommend
that
the
project
return
to
planning
and
zoning
commission
for
their
consideration
of
the
of
the
project.
With
this
new
condition
before
coming
back
to
council.
B
I'm
prepared
to
support
sanders
motion
without
the
condition
we
don't
want.
C
So
just
well,
it
got
a
little
confusing
sure.
So
tell
us
tell
us
again:
yeah.
T
C
Don't
tell
us
again
what
the
what
the
new
condition
is.
What
just
only
talk
about
that
yeah.
S
So
basically,
the
applicant
and
the
landscape
landscape
architects
have
been
working
through
some
of
the
stormwater
issues
with
the
site
and
so
essentially
there's
a
type
b
buffer.
It's
a
30
foot
wide
kind
of
planted
vegetated
buffer,
and
it
says
that
for
every
10
for
every
100
linear
feet
along
the
property
edge
that
borders,
the
residential
zoning
you
have
to
plant
six
evergreen
trees,
five
deciduous
trees,
small
five
deciduous
trees
that
are
large,
15,
small,
shrubs
and
15
large
shrubs.
S
S
But
it's
the
same
physical
area
along
the
site,
they're
disturbing
land
and
they
have
to
replant
land
by
a
factor
of
two
and
enhance
that
with
plantings
in
that
same
area,
it
just
becomes
infeasible
to
do
all
that
planting
and
counterproductive
to
a
healthy
buffer
they're,
asking
that
the
buffer
of
the
you
know,
prescribed,
trees,
evergreens
deciduous
and
shrubs
be
reduced,
and
that
would
look
like
an
elimination
of
the
requirement
for
the
evergreen
trees,
so
that
would
be
24
evergreen,
trees,
total
that
would
be
reduced
and
then
the
deciduous
trees
requirements
would
be
cut
in
half,
so
that
would
be
reduction
of
10,
small
trees
and
10
small
10,
large
deciduous
trees,
total
and
the
the
buffer
would
exist
essentially
because
of
all
the
other
plantings
and
the
tree
canopy
area.
S
So
there
would
definitely
be
a
buffer
along
that
as
well.
It
just
a
lot
of
these
requirements,
kind
of
stack
up
and
you
can't
double
count
them.
So
I
think
when
they've
gone
through
and
all
the
stream
buffer
disturbance
requirements,
that's
going
on
with
storm
water
happening
in
the
same
area,
the
the
this
other
buffer.
That's
a
zoning
buffer
is
just
not
really
able
to
be
done,
and
I
mean
the
landscape
architect
might
be
able
to
explain
that
a
little
better.
C
Than
I
could,
but
so
just
you
know,
yeah
you
got
the
weeds
there
for
which
is
which
is
great,
which
is
not
you
got
into
the
trees
I
mean
just
on
the
surface.
I
know
you
probably,
since
this
just
happened
today
in
general.
Do
you
think
staff
would
be
supportive
of
this
new
condition.
S
Yeah,
I
mean
steph,
I
think,
would
support
this
modification.
You
know
if
it
were
back
at
planning
and
zoning.
The
recommendation
I
I
feel
like
would
be
that
staff
would
recommend
approval
with
this
as
an
added
condition.
Okay,.
F
So
there
are
no
specific
requirements
or
triggers
that
something
automatically
go
back
to
the
planning
and
zoning
commission.
The
requirement
is
that
these
types
of
rezonings
do
seek
a
review
before
that
for
that
body
and
that
that
come
before
you,
it's
up
to
council,
to
determine
any
changes
that
happen
between
that
time
and
your
review.
Whether
or
not
it
warrants
an
additional
review
that
you
would
find
helpful
and.
F
I
I
don't
think
that
there
is
any
automatic
trigger.
I
think
that,
without
weighing
in
on
the
quantity
of
the
substance
of
the
change,
I
would
say
that
it
is
up
to
council
to
make
a
determination,
given
the
change,
if
you
feel
like
planning
at
zoning's,
additional
review
would
be
helpful
in
your
final
determination.
B
I'm
curious,
if
we
might,
can
we
sorry
well?
Is
it
possible
that
the
space
with
the
parking
area
could
be
used
to
help
meet
the
tree
requirements
instead
of
us
just
cutting
the
trees
like
that,
doesn't
sit
well
with
me.
We.
Q
U
Good
evening
mayor
members
of
council,
I'm
suzanne
godsey
with
sight
work
studios,
I'm
the
landscape
architect
on
the
project,
I'm
a
very
visual
person.
So
I
do
think
that
we
do
have
the
site
plan
will,
if
you
could
pull
up
the
site
plan
or
the
landscape
plan
just
to
discuss.
U
U
We're
buffering,
essentially
our
project
from
the
city-owned
greenway,
and
the
reason
for
that
buffer
is
strictly
zoning.
It
doesn't
have
to
do
with
the
use
of
the
project
versus
the
use
across
the
way
it
has
to
do
with
a
zoning
district
against
a
zoning
district.
So
it's
strictly
because
the
greenway
is
zoned
residential
and
we're
zoned
in
cd.
U
So
that's
that's
issue
number
one
number
two
is
we
have
a
30-foot
stream
buffer
and
in
that
30-foot
stream
buffer?
We
if
we
have
any
type
of
disturbance,
it
has
to
be
mitigated-
and
we
are
out
following
our
storm
water,
because
that's
what
you
do
and
I'm
not
a
civil
engineer,
but
that's
how
it
is
designed.
U
Those
areas
have
to
be
mitigated,
as
will
said
at
a
two
to
one
ratio,
so
we're
going
to
be
needing
to
replant
per
buffer
standard
replantings
about
6
000
square
feet
of
area.
So
we've
got
that
requirement
and
in
addition,
in
the
urban
areas,
where
we're
doing
urban
infill
and
we
have
tree
canopy
requirements,
the
only
thank
you.
The
only
place
that
you
can
really
put
any
plant
material
is
in
your
buffer
and
there
is
a
gap
in
the
tree.
Canopy
protection,
ordinance
that
says
that
landscape
buffers
do
not
count.
U
Trees
that
are
required
for
landscape
buffers
do
not
count
for
tree
canopy
plantings.
Now
I
was
told
four
years
ago
that
this
was
probably
going
to
change
at
some
point,
but
here
we
are
today
and
that
change
has
not
come
about.
So
this
morning
I
had
an
epiphany
which
has
caused
a
lot
of
problems
that
perhaps,
since
we
are
going
for
a
conditional
zoning,
that
we
come
before
you
and
request
this
modification
that
would
offset
the
tree
canopy,
the
stream
buffer,
plus
our
landscape
buffer
against
the
the
city-owned
greenway.
U
I
can
get
a
little
bit
more
pun
intended
weeds
on
like
the
plant
material
and
things
of
that
nature
we
do
have
to
as
part
of
the
stream
buffer
mitigation
is
remove
all
invasive
species.
So
what
we're
going
to
be
doing
is
working
with
that
entire
slope
and
a
lot
of
that
invasive
plant
material.
Once
you
start
to
dig
it
up
it
just
invigorates
it.
U
There's
a
lot
of
issues
around
over
foresting,
an
area
competition
you're,
going
to
lose
a
certain
amount
of
that
plant
material
anyway,
so
you're
kind
of
throwing.
You
know
good
money,
bad
money
after
good
or
whatever
the
saying
is.
I
don't
know
if
that
answered.
Any
of
your
questions
was
kind
of
giving
you
an
idea
of
where
I
came
up
with
the
modification
request.
C
So
if,
if,
if
you
just
took
out
the
zoning
piece
of
it,
that
you
know
says
that
we've
got
that
you're
supposed
to
buffer
between
two
different
zonings,
how
does
if
you
just
took
that
piece
out
of
it,
because
it
kind
of
doesn't
make
sense
when
it's
going
up
against
a
greenway,
because
it's
like
you
kind
of
want
people
to
go
to
the
greenway.
I
think
if
you
just
took
that
out,
how
does
that
stack
up
against
what
you're
proposing
if.
U
We
did
not
have
to
do
a
landscape
buffer,
we
would
have
to
plant
18
large,
deciduous
trees
and
then
do
the
6
000
square
foot
of
stream
buffer
mitigation,
so
with
the
landscape
buffer.
It's
an
additional
120
trees,
plus
the
24
evergreen
plus
the
20
large
deciduous
plus
the
20
small
deciduous
trees
and
that
so
the
significant
portion
of
the
landscape,
that's
required
and
shown
on
this
plan-
is
because
of
that
landscape
buffer
in
the
zoning
right.
So
if
you
just.
Q
To
answer
sure,
so
I
think
what
susanna's
miss
godfrey
is
saying
is
that,
if
not
for
the
zoning
requirements,
she
would
be
planting
significantly
less
trees.
The
zoning
requirement
that's
requiring
the
buffering
and
the
tree
canopy
is
almost
requiring
double
tree
planting.
That
is
unnecessary
in
her
professional
judgment
outside
of
the
zoning
requirements.
Does
that
clarify
it.
B
B
U
Q
And
so
for
that
reason,
we're
asking
that
you
include
the
condition
this
evening
without
sending
it
back
to
planning
and
zoning
and.
D
U
U
C
Know
I'm
so
sorry,
so
I
mean
let's,
let's
just
step
back
here
a
minute.
You
know
because
we
all
like
trees,
we
all
like
trees.
I'm.
C
What
I
thought
I
heard
you
saying
is:
if
we
were
to,
if,
if
you
were
required
to
do
this
planting,
you
don't
think
it
would
be
healthy
for
the
trees
and
the
shrubs,
and
so
what
you,
what
you're
proposing
is,
would
be
healthier
for
the
trees,
and
you
know
the
point
being.
We
want
the
trees
to
stay.
You
know
we
don't
want
to
come
back
five
years
from
now
and
oh
gosh.
Those
were
great
trees
but
they're
dead
because
they
they
crowded
each
other.
A
Okay,
okay
to
any
other
questions,
are
we
good?
Are
we
good?
Okay,
we
got
the
condition,
clarification
modification.
Okay,
we
don't
have
anyone
to
sign
up
to
speak
under
these
two
items,
so
we
are
opening
the
public
hearing
and
we
are
closing
the
public
hearing.
Now
we
need
two
separate
motions
and
I
think
the
staff
report
has
you're
looking.
It
looks
like
somebody's
ready
with
you've
got
zoning
she's
got
luigi.
A
C
Well,
my
my
no
vote
just
to
be
clear
is
only
it's
not
to
not
give
them
any
luige,
but
my
proposal
would
be
95
points
rather
than
105
points,
but
I
will
have
to
be
voting
no
because
of
that.
A
D
I've
got
a
motion
on
the
next
one
mayor,
I'm
going
to
try
and
amend
with
add
this
language
of
the
last
change
here,
but
I
may
need
mr
branham's
help.
I
move
to
approve
the
conditional
zoning
request
for
six
properties
located
at
421,
425
427
and
99999
broadway
street
from
neighborhood
corridor
district
to
neighborhood
corridor
district
conditional
zone,
along
with
a
change
in
the
future
land
use
map
for
two
parcels
from
parks
and
open
space
to
traditional
corridor
and
find
that
the
request
is
reasonable
is
in
the
public.
D
Interest
is
consistent
with
the
city's
comprehensive
plan
and
meets
the
development
needs
of
the
community.
In
that
the
request
one
supports
mixed-use
infill
development
and
a
strategically
located
area
targeted
for
growth.
Two
provides
housing
units
in
proximity
to
transit,
schools
and
parks,
three
support
city
goals
for
affordable
housing,
and
then
I
want
to
look
to
mr
branham
for
the
remainder.
F
The
in
within
the
western
buffer
that
the
zoning
requirement
be
reduced
by
a
total
of
24
evergreen
trees,
ten
large
deciduous
tweets
trees
and
ten
small
decisions.
Trees.
Thank
you,
mr
wells.
I
can
say
deciduous.
C
Do
not
accept
okay
and
I
I'll
second
miss
turner's
as
as
amended
by
what
brad
said.
It's
not.
A
Amended
but
modified
yes,
okay,
all
right.
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
any
other
questions
or
comments
before
we
do
a
roll
call
vote:
okay,
councilwoman,
whistler,
aye,
councilwoman,
kilgore,
aye,
councilwoman,
roney,.
H
A
Councilwoman
mosley
aye,
councilwoman
turner,
aye,
vice
mayor
I
and
myself,
I
okay,
we
have
concluded
the
reed
creek
project.
Thank
you
all
right.
We
have.
We
have
one
more
public
hearing
tonight.
It
is
7
26.
I'm
thinking
we're
gonna
need
to
take
a
five
minute.
I
need
a
five
minute
break.
Does
anybody
else
need?
Yes,
okay,
please
we're
gonna,
take
a
quick
break
and
come
right
back
and
begin
public
hearing
item
c,
which
is
1001
patent,
avenue,
aka,
ingles,
okay,.
A
V
S
Thank
you,
alrighty
conditional
zoning
petition
for
ingles
number
one,
two,
two
one:
zero
zero
one
patton
avenue
current
zoning
is
highway
business
and
due
to
the
size
of
the
proposed
project,
a
conditional
zoning
to
the
commercial
expansion
conditional
zone
district
is
required.
S
So,
as
far
as
this
project
goes,
it
would
involve
a
total
demolition
and
redevelopment
of
the
site
which,
with
a
total
of
about
150
000
square
feet
of
commercial
use,
this
would
include
an
ingles
grocery
store
at
the
top
center.
So,
at
the
back
of
the
site,
with
four
other
retail
spaces
and
also
a
gas
fueling
facility,
421
parking
spaces,
some
other
highlights
of
the
site
involve
the
new
sidewalks
that
would
be
constructed,
which
include
an
eight
foot
wide
sidewalk
with
a
five
foot
wide
planting
strip
along
patton
avenue.
S
There
would
also
be
a
new
sidewalk
constructed
on
the
west
side
of
hawkins
lane,
where
there
is
currently
no
sidewalk
and
and
that
would
basically
connect
all
the
way
from
patton
avenue
and
then
join
the
existing
sidewalk.
S
S
S
S
S
So
staff
finds
that
the
project
is
partly
consistent
with
the
the
future
land
use
map
and
the
designation
of
urban
core
urban
center.
It
doesn't
meet
the
full
intent
of
that
future
land
use
category,
but
it
does
create
a
node
of
use,
along
with
some
improved
transit
amenities.
S
Just
to
note
that
this
project,
this
site
was
originally
proposed
as
part
of
the
urban
place
rezoning
that
recently
passed.
But
there
was
a
lot
of
concern
and
and
discussion
with
the
the
emma
neighborhood
and
community
about
the
potential
you
know:
displacement
and
other
negative
side
effects
of
potentially
having
really
very
dense
mixed
use
development
in
this
area.
S
So,
therefore,
the
city
did
not
proceed
with
that
rezoning,
and
this
particular
project
you
know,
does
have
support
from
the
community
in
large
and
then
as
far
as
other
goals
in
the
plan,
the
project
supports
the
the
goal
of
redeveloping
sites
that
are
under
utilized
and
establishing
accessible
and
well-connected
commercial
nodes,
as
well
as
eliminating
gaps
in
the
city-wide
sidewalk
network,
while
prioritizing
construction
in
under-served
communities.
S
This
project
was
before
the
technical
review
committee
and
approved
with
conditions
in
january,
and
it
was
approved
by
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
at
its
may
4th
meeting
at
a
vote
5
to
1..
There
were
a
couple
conditions
of
that
approval,
the
first
one
that
the
bus
shelters
be
relocated
internally
to
the
site,
if
agreed
to
by
the
city's
transportation
department.
S
The
second
one
was
included
basically,
that
the
applicant
engaged
with
the
neighborhood
community
to
identify
businesses
that
meet
community
needs
and
could
be
located
within
the
new
development.
Basically,
the
community's
excited
with
the
prospect
that
you
know
something.
You
know
the
kmart
went
away
and
a
lot
of
the
the
needs
of
the
community's
retail
needs
were
not
being
met
any
longer.
S
So
if
the
applicant,
you
know
in
good
faith
efforts
and
agrees
to
which
they
do
work
with
the
community
to
try
to
find
businesses
that
would
you
know,
serve
the
service
community's
retail
needs
and
be
located
here.
S
Some
other
conditions
of
the
project.
Two
electrical
vehicle
charging
stations
will
be
installed.
I
mentioned
the
bus
stops
and
shelters,
as
well
as
working
with
the
community
to
identify
businesses
that
will
meet
their
needs
and
there
are
a
bunch
of
technical
modifications
being
requested,
some
of
which
are
relatively
minor.
S
They
involve
the
sidewalk
widths
that
are
being
proposed,
which
are
less
than
the
standard.
Ten
foot
requirement
in
the
commercial
expansion,
zoning
district,
the
location
of
the
parking
lots
in
front
of
the
building,
some
technical
changes
with
the
loading
and
the
driveways,
a
slight
reduction
in
required
parking
spaces,
as
well
as
a
number
of
entrances
to
the
store,
and
that
there's
no
bike
lanes
and
the
development
as
there
are
no
bike
lanes
on
patton
avenue.
Currently,
therefore,
staff
concurs
with
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
and
recommends
approval
of
the
proposed
conditional
zoning.
S
That
concludes
my
presentation.
I
can
answer
questions
and
we
also
have
the
projects
representative
here
tonight
with
us.
A
Any
questions:
okay,
we
we're
gonna,
go
ahead
and
open
the
public
hearing.
We
do
finally
have
somebody
signed
up.
D
S
Correct
yeah,
big
big
focus
of
the
urban
centers
was
the
mixed
use
residential
nature
of
the
of
the
area
which,
which
this
project
does
not
have.
C
Do
do
we
allow
any
new
highway
business
zoning?
Is
there
such
a
thing
anymore,
or
is
this
I
mean?
Is
this
idea
to
get
to
get
rid
of
highway
business
within
the
city.
S
I
can't
speak
to
that
necessarily.
It
certainly
speaks
to
an
older
model
of
commercial
development
that
you
know
overall,
is
is
kind
of
being
phased
out.
You
know
it's
still.
It's
still
a
zoning
district
within
the
the
city's
unified
development,
ordinance
and
applicants
and
property
owners
could
request
to
to
rezone
to
it.
The
city
has
no
plans
of
actively
rezoning
properties
to
that
classification.
Currently,
okay,.
C
And
just
in
your
professional
opinion,
all
the
modifications
that
this
development
is
asked
for
you
know
the
no
bike
lanes
the
building,
the
spacing
all
you
know.
Everything
in
the
last
bullet
is
that
typical,
given
that
the
additional
I
just
didn't
see
a
lot
of,
I
didn't
see
a
lot
of
things
that
were
additive
to
the
pro
prod
the
project.
C
I
saw
a
lot
that
were
negative
and
you
know
like,
for
example,
I
know
that
it's
considered
additive
to
have
two
electric
vehicle
charging,
but
I
would
suggest
that
that's
still
a
revenue
producer,
so
I
I
don't
really
view
that
as
a
public
benefit
per
se,
so
I
guess
you
know
is:
do
the
positives
outweigh
the
the
negatives
of
this
particular
project?
S
Said
yes,
it
does.
I
would
say
yes,
but
exactly
yeah
overall
I'd
say
yes
because
recommended
approval.
You
know
it's
not
a
a
tit-for-tat
analysis
that
we
do
but
more
of
an
overall
consideration
in
reference
to
the
comp
plan
and
the
community's
support
of
it.
I
guess
some
other
benefits
the
project
involved.
The
the
bus
stops
being
improved.
The
bus
shelters
which
are
not
required
to
do
you
know
sidewalks,
are
are
required,
but
if
not
for
this
project
they
wouldn't
be
built.
S
You
know
the
current
site
is
somewhat
of
a
as
you
learned
in
the
planning
zoning
commission
meeting
somewhat
of
a
concern
for
the
community
and
there's
been
some
unsavory
elements
that
are
in
that
area
which
are
perceived
to
be
stemming
from
that
vacant.
Underutilized
nature
of
the
site,
so
that's
been
discussed
as
far
as
the
technical
modifications
that
are
shown
here.
S
Some
of
them
are
pretty
standard,
so
you
know
a
lot
of
times.
The
the
expansion
districts
for
conditional
zonings
all
say
that
the
developments
should
have
should
have
bike
lanes
into
them,
but
a
lot
of
these
roads
don't
have
bike
lanes
on
them,
so
it
doesn't
make
sense
to
include
them.
You
know
fewer
parking
spaces
aren't
really
that
big
of
a
deal
in
this
context.
S
You
know
the
the
parking
lot
and
the
look
and
the
orientation
of
the
buildings
in
reference
to
the
parking
definitely
is
an
older
model
that
you
know
is
is
a
pretty
major
consideration
of
the
overall
site
layout
that
they
would
have
to
seek
a
modification
for
so
it's
kind
of
in
the
eye
of
the
beholder
somewhat.
What
each
one
is
worth.
D
Likewise,
can
you
do
me
a
favor,
the?
Oh,
I'm
sorry,
I
can't
see
all
the
lights
down
there
go
ahead.
Oh
sorry,
kim
the
ariel
in
the
presentation
is
too
blurry
for
me
to
read
any
of
the
details,
but
can
you
point
to
where
these
bus
stops
will
be?
I'm
curious
if.
O
S
S
That's
correct:
yeah,
yep
it'd
be
these
two
that
exist
on
either
side
of
louisiana.
A
Okay,
any
other
questions
before
we
move
on
to
the
public
hearing.
A
Okay,
so
for
our
public
hearings,
speakers
have
three
minutes
to
speak,
but
in
this
case
we
have
folks
yielding
their
time
to
one
speaker,
which
means
the
speaker
can
have
10
minutes
to
speak,
and
I
understand
it
might
be
right
right
around
that
mark,
maybe
a
little
bit
over
and
that
person
who
would
like
to
speak
is
rocio
alva
alvater.
Oh
thank
you.
W
W
W
X
The
site
is
adjacent
to
the
emma
community,
one
of
the
most
racially
and
linguistically
diverse
neighborhoods
of
asheville
and
buncombe
county.
It's
also
one
of
the
only
neighborhoods
that
continues
to
have
significant,
naturally
occurring
affordable
housing
in
the
form
of
mobile
home
parks,
where
nearly
40
percent
of
our
neighborhoods
reside
naturally
occurring.
Affordable
housing
is
an
essential
asset
in
asheville
and
buncombe
county,
and
we
believe
strongly
that
it
must
be
protected.
X
We
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
partner
with
the
city
and
the
county
in
the
creation
of
anti-displacement
policies
and
practices
that
will
allow
neighborhoods,
who
are
vulnerable
to
displacement
like
ours
to
be
to
become
housing
stable.
We
are
committed
to
continuing
to
collaborate
with
the
city
and
the
county
to
find
equity-based
solutions
together.
X
Furthermore,
our
community
is
supportive
of
the
ingols
as
a
welcome.
Neighbor
ingles
has
been
extremely
communicative
and
accessible
throughout
the
rezoning
process.
Their
services
as
a
grocery
store,
as
well
as
our
other
retail
businesses,
will
be
brought
to
our
area,
are
vital
to
our
community.
As
parents
we
have
watched
ingles,
provide
employment
to
our
youth
support
the
school
system
and,
overall,
the
community.
W
W
A
You
thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much
and
thank
you
so
much
for
bringing
a
translator.
The
city
does
offer
translation
services,
but
but
we
do
have
a
notification.
We
need
about
two
days
notice,
so
we
really
appreciate
you
bringing
a
translator.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
We
don't
have
anyone
else
signed
up
to
speak
under
this
item,
but
of
course
raise
your
hand
if
you're
here
on
this
item,
though,
if
this
is
the
thing
you
wanted
to
hear
about
tonight,
just
raise
your
hand
just
so
we
know.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
Okay.
So
we
are.
Unless
there
are
other
questions
or
comments,
we
I'm
ready
to
entertain
a
motion.
G
I'll
make
the
motion.
Okay,
I
moved
to
approve
the
conditional
zoning
request
for
the
property
located
at
1001
patent
avenue
from
highway
business
to
commercial
expansion
and
find
that
the
request
is
reasonable
is
in
the
public.
Interest
is
consistent
with
the
city's
comprehensive
plan
or
other
adopted
plans
and
meets
the
development
needs
of
the
community.
In
that
the
request
supports
the
development
redevelopment
of
sites
that
are
underutilized,
establishes
accessible
and
well-connected
commercial
nodes
and
eliminates
gaps
in
the
city-wide
sidewalk
network,
while
prioritizing
construction
in
under-served
communities.
B
A
C
I
I
just
want
to
say
again
that
I
I'm
gonna
be
voting
yes,
but
I'm
just
really
disappointed
in
the
fact
that
this
just
looks
like
an
old
grocery
store
with
very
little
very
little
creativity
and
very
little
response
to
the
city's
zoning
and
what
we
need.
I
mean
I'm
fine
with
the
grocery
store,
but
this
is
like
not
very
creative,
but
I
will
be
voting
yes.
A
D
Anyone
else
before
I
have
a
comment
I
see
sandra's
light
is
on,
so
I'm
not
sure
if
she's,
okay,
I
share
a
similar
sentiment,
but
at
this
moment-
and
I
applaud
and
appreciate
everyone
from
the
emma
community
coming
at
this
moment-
I'm
having
a
hard
conversation
in
my
head
around
how
it
is
that
we
have
community
members
that
feel
like
coming
in
and
updating
this
space
and
adding
more
retail
bays-
and
you
know,
jazzing
up
the
joint,
won't
gentrify,
but
somehow
adding
more
affordable
housing
to
the
site
would,
and
I
just
kind
of
struggle
a
little
bit,
but
I'm
I
am
going
to
be
supportive
if
only
because
the
emma
community
came
tonight
to
share
this
concern,
and
I
hope
that
what
these
developers
have
said
to
you
and
that
they
will
work
with
you
on
what
kind
of
tenants
and
stuff
might
go
in.
G
May
I
time
in
just
a
moment
to
your
question
about
how
adding
more
affordable
housing
may
serve
to
gentrify.
It
depends
on
what
the
ami
are.
So
if
we're
adding
affordable
housing
at
eighty
percent,
say
forty
two
thousand
dollars
a
year
close
by
a
community
where
the
average
income
is
32.
We
have
then
just
what
gentrified.
G
I'm
not
sure
if
folks
realize
that,
30
years
or
so
ago,
maybe
a
little
bit
more
than
that.
What
we
now
consider
the
bustling
west
asheville
community
was
largely
that's
where
our
latinx
neighbors
lived.
So
when
they
talk
about
being
displaced,
it's
not
some
notion.
They
have
lived
it.
They
used
to
be
there
now.
A
lot
of
folks
are
over
near
emma,
so
chances
are.
G
G
B
I
would
add
that
some
of
the
things
that
I've
heard
from
legacy
neighborhoods
around
anti-gentrification
or
anti-displacement
measures
are
opportunities
to
invest
in
long-term
safety
strategies,
which
includes
investment
in
pre-k,
investment
in
community
gardens,
investment
in
community
land
trust
and
investment,
and
equitable
public
services
like
public
safety.
That's
safe
for
up
for
all,
so
those
are
still
opportunities
that
we
have
to
invest
in
community
health
and
well-being
and
sustainability
and
resilience,
and
we
have
a
long
way
to
go
as
partners
in
the
region
that
means
coordinating
between
the
city
and
the
county.
H
A
A
motion
and
a
second
and
I'm
going
to
do
a
roll
call
vote
and
I
believe,
I'm
starting
with
right
over
here:
councilwoman
whistler
aye
councilwoman,
kilgore,
aye,
councilwoman,
rohney,
aye,
councilwoman,
moseley,
aye.
A
Turner
aye
vice
mayor
I
and
myself
I
okay.
That
concludes
that
matter,
and
that
concludes
our
public
hearings
agenda.
So
we're
gonna
move
on
to
the
I'll.
Just
let
you're
all
welcome
to
stay
for
the
whole.
The
whole
meeting,
but
we're
gonna
move
to
the
next
item
on
our
agenda,
which
is
a
resolution
authorizing
the
city
manager
to
apply
for
and
if
awarded,
receive,
grant
funds
from
the
buncombe
county
tourism
development
authority.
A
Y
Z
I
I
see
that,
and
I
appreciate
all
the
hard
work
that
you're
doing.
Thank
you,
mayor
and
city
council
for
spending
some
time
tonight
to
consider
authorizing
the
city
manager
to
apply
for
eight
hundred
and
sixty
seven
thousand
dollars
of
buncombe
county
tourism,
product
development
funds.
I
am
steph
munsen
dahl
from
planning
and
urban
design,
I'm
going
to
be
joined
tonight
by
chris
coral
who's,
the
director
of
community
and
regional
entertainment
facilities.
I
got
it
and
let's
see
well
in
order
to
provide
you
with
these
key
takeaways
that
are
listed
here
tonight.
Z
Z
So
it
is
six
percent
in
addition
to
these
seven
percent
sales
tax
and
it's
levied
on
any
lodging
that
is
visited
by
someone
in
buncombe
county.
So
this
includes
short-term
rentals
and
the
way
the
legislation
is
written,
and
this
is
actually
straight
from
a
tourism
product
development
fund
presentation
I
just
wanted
to
share.
That
is
that
the
three-fourths
of
the
funds
are
to
be
used
to
promote
tourism
not
locally,
and
that's
an
important
note,
but
state
national
and
international
promotions.
Z
So
the
tourism
product
development
fund
was
established
as
a
community
grant
fund
and
to
further
economic
development
in
the
county
and
right
now.
The
way
the
legislation
is
written
is
that
it
provides
financial
assistance
for
when
it
says
major
tourism
projects
what
it
means.
What
it
translates
to
in
the
guidelines
is
capital
projects
that
increase
room
nights
in
buncombe
county,
so
that
75
25
split
is
being
considered
for
a
change.
Z
What
we're
hearing
from
news,
media
and
also
staff
in
the
hospitality
and
lodging
industry
is
that
the
north
caro
north
carolina
legislature
is
considering
changing
the
split
from
75
25
to
66
percent
and
33..
That
means
an
increase
in
the
amount
of
funds
that
can
be
used
for
community
projects,
there's
about
15
million
dollars
anticipated
that
will
be
available
in
the
funding
cycle.
That
is
going
to
be
happening
right
now
or
that's
opened
right
now.
Z
So
one
other
note
about
that.
Potential
change
in
legislation
is
that
there
may
also
be
a
broadening
of
what
that
33
percent
can
be
used
for
in
the
tourism
product
development
fund.
That
broadening
may
include
the
ability
to
use
it
for
maintenance
of
projects
that
have
been
funded
by
tpdf
in
the
past
or
may
be
anticipated
to
be
funded
in
the
future.
Z
As
I
mentioned,
they
anticipated
pot
of
funds
is
15
million
right
now.
The
the
current
knowledge
base
of
what
is
definitely
available
is
11
million
and
we're
going
to
talk
about
the
the
timeline
so
we're
coming
to
you
tonight.
We
have
a
phase
one
application
due.
If
you
choose
to
authorize
the
city
manager
on
june
1st
and
on
june
29th,
the
bctda
will
notify
people
about
applying
for
their
phase
two.
The
phase
two
is
a
a
lengthier.
Application
requires
a
lot
of
information,
and
that
would
be
due
on
august.
Z
31St
we'd
have
site
visits
of
the
potential
projects
in
october
and
then
the
board
for
the
buncombe
county
tda
would
look
at
those
projects
at
the
end
of
october,
and
I
think
the
way
that
the
funds
work
generally
is
that
you're
going
to
be
signing
an
agreement
and
those
the
funds.
It's
not
it's
like
you
get
those
funds
right,
then
they're
reimbursed
so
core
criteria.
Z
I
mentioned
this
that
it's
used
for
capital
projects.
Only
that's
bricks
and
mortar
project
has
to
create
a
substantial,
new
and
incremental
overnight
lodging
in
buncombe
county
and
the
funds
are
not
available
to
private
entities
that
little
asterisk.
There
is
important
this
year
they
have
adopted
some
strategic
pillars
and
are
saying
that
they
may
be
able
to
look
at
projects
a
little
bit
differently
and
re-prioritize
them
if
you
align
with
that.
So
let's
take
a
look
at
those
strategic
pillars:
delivering
balance,
recovery
and
sustainable
growth.
Z
So
that's
a
response
to
the
pandemic,
encouraging
safe
and
responsible
travel,
engaging
and
inviting
more
diverse
audiences
and
promoting
and
supporting
asheville's
creative
spirit.
So,
as
you
can
see,
these
are
all
like
theme,
areas
that
are
very
broad
and
something
that
many
of
our
community
projects
will
align
with.
So
now
we're
going
to
talk
about
the
projects
that
are
going
to
be
proposed
for
gpdf
funding.
D
Ms
dahl,
may
I
ask
you
a
question
while
chris,
perhaps
so,
the
county
has
apparently
put
forth
a
request
to
see
if
the
tda
will
be
able
to
fund
affordable
housing
with
this,
and
I
know
that
it's
irrelevant
to
this
conversation.
Does
anyone
know
if
that
has
had
any
movement
that
that's.
D
AA
Good
evening
chris
coral
community
and
regional
entertainment
facilities
director-
that's
yeah,
I'm
still
getting
used
to
it
too.
So
city
proposed
projects.
We
had
our
own
internal
criteria
that
also
has
to
align
with
the
tourism
product
development
fund
criteria
that
stephanie
just
mentioned.
AA
So,
looking
at
all
the
projects
that
are
out
there
and
the
many
many
projects
that
we're
looking
forward
to
in
the
next
few
years,
the
top
four
that
came
up
to
us
in
priority
order
were
the
asheville
municipal
golf
course.
The
swannanoa
greenway
phase,
one
the
gateway
to
the
southern
appalachians
at
the
wnc
nature
center
and
the
cox
avenue
complete
street.
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Through
each
one
of
these
and
pass
it
back
to
steph
to
talk
about
cox
avenue,
so
the
municipal
golf
course
designed
by
world
golf
hall
of
fame
architect,
donald
ross
opened
in
1927..
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It
was
actually
the
first
public
golf
course
in
north
carolina
and
eventually
became
the
first
integrated
golf
course
in
the
southeast,
which
is
part
of
the
reason.
It's
a
single
floor
clubhouse.
Now
it
was
two
floors
and
it
was
burned
down
the
week
after
integration
there,
it's
home
to
the
longest-running
black-owned
and
operated
professional
golf
course
in
the
southeast,
which
is
the
skyview
golf
association
tournament
and
it's
the
last
remaining
affordable
public
fee.
Golf
course
in
the
asheville
area.
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AA
AA
20
percent
of
those
folks
were
in
the
neighborhood,
immediately
respond
or
immediately
around
the
golf
course.
55
total
live
in
the
city
and
about
a
50,
50
split
of
regular
golfers
versus
golf
casually
or
never
golf
at
all,
but
68
feel
the
course
is
in
terrible
or
poor
condition
at
the
moment,
but
they
feel
the
current
fees
are
fair,
based
on
the
condition
which
again,
we're
really
low
compared
to
most
golf
courses.
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They
all
support,
increases
in
fares.
If
and
when
improvements
are
made,
77
felt
the
city
should
invest
at
least
one
million
dollars,
and
surprisingly
enough,
90
of
those
respondents,
including
in
the
neighborhood
side,
supported
a
thinning
of
trees
at
the
discretion
of
a
design,
team
or
landscape
architect.
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Specifically,
the
total
project
request
for
the
municipal
golf
course,
one
million
from
the
city
of
asheville
up
to
another
million
from
a
potential
new
operator
that
we're
working
with
right
now
to
try
to
bring
into
the
course
the
current
lease
ends
at
the
end
of
september
of
this
year.
So
for
a
final
project
that
we
would
request
from
the
tda
somewhere
between
two
and
four
million,
depending
on
what
additional
third-party
monies
we
can
bring
in.
A
I
just
want
to
say
just
about
the
muni
golf
course
and
it,
and
you
know
to
just
to
recap
again:
you
know
these
funds
are,
they
have
to
be
matched
and
they
have
to
be
capital
projects
that
can
obviously
benefit
locals,
but
have
to
also
apply
to
you
know
the
venn
diagram
of
tourism
and
local
serving
locals.
A
The
this
golf
course
used
to
be
subsidized
by
the
city
many
years
ago
to
a
six-figure
annual
subsidy
and
we
transitioned
to
having
a
third
party
operator
operate
it
at
no
cost
to
the
to
the
city
on
an
annual
expense
subsidy,
but
we
did
unknow
at
the
time
that
capital
investments
were
going
to
be
needed,
the
water
system,
and
so
so
far,
and
so
it's
been
many
years
since
we've
done
that
and
I
understand
right
now
we
have
the
rfp.
A
Maybe
the
period
is
closed.
Looking
for
the
new
operator
and
so
asking
the
new
operator
to
invest
in
this
as
well
under
the
old
arrangement
or
current
arrangement,
the
city
actually
gets
some
percentage
of
the
profit
made
from
the
golf
course.
So
this
is.
A
This
is
a
very
important
evolution
and
rehabbing
and
repairing
the
golf
course
also
note
that
it
is
deed,
restricted
and
can
only
be
used
as
a
golf
course
and-
and
so
this
is
kind
of
our
gem
that
we're
stuck
with
so
and-
and
you
know,
there's
it
has
a
lot
of
important
history
and
a
lot
of
people
do
like
to
use
this
amenity
in
our
community.
B
B
AA
Yes,
it
is
so
there's
a
lot
of
benefits
of
collecting
the
water
before
it
hits
the
river.
It
slows
down
floods.
It
helps
build
more
village.
We
would
theoretically
have
the
ability,
if
it's
built,
like
similar
golf
course,
ponds
and
lakes
to
empty
it
prior
to
big
rain
events.
But
yes,
the
original
course
had
a
small
lake
designed
into
it
around
t
of
seven
whole
of
eight
and
there's
an
old
abandoned
stream
bed
that
goes
to
and
from
it.
So
there's
a
natural
low
point
that
pipes
can
be
diverted
to.
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B
AA
I'm
planning
to
look
to
the
operator
to
really
help
guide
us
and
how
to
do
it,
like
close
nine,
close
everything
close
one
or
two
holes
at
a
time
to
make
sure
that
there's
still
revenue
coming
in
so
that
they
can
operate
and
so
that
we
cannot
have
to
subsidize
it.
There
is
separately
a
small
group
coming
together.
It's
a
group,
maybe
10
people,
very
passionate
that
are
trying
to
create,
like
a
friends
of
muni
type
of
concept,
to
help
raise
money.
They've
been
working
with
the
preservation
society.
G
G
AA
So
when
we
were
looking
through,
we
were
able
to
find
one
million
dollars.
The
total
stormwater
assessment
was
roughly
2.3
in
2020.,
so
I
presume
that
what
she's
applying
is
that
if
we
have
1
million
and
we
get
it
matched
by
tda-
that's
2
million
and
the
assessment
was
2.3,
so
it's
less
than
the
total
amount,
if
you're
doing
the
full
stormwater,
but
again
it
can
be
phased.
The
assessment
was
designed
with,
I
think,
10
separate
smaller
capital
improvement
projects
so
that
we
could
do
one
or
two
or
three
holes
at
a
time.
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So
really
you
know
this.
As
with
any
city
project
right,
the
sky's,
the
limit,
you
could
give
us
50
million
and
we
could
totally
spend
it
at
the
golf
course
right
but
like,
but
don't
do
that,
but
so,
like
whatever
money
is
there
like
we'll
do
the
best
we
can
with
it
yeah?
So
it's
really,
you
know
we'll
take
advantage
of.
What's
there,
the
the
more
you
know,
it's
like
any
fundraising
campaign
for
something.
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That's
recreational
based
the
more
that
we
have
to
start
the
more
we'll
be
able
to
leverage
other
opportunities
for
funding
like
a
new
operator,
for
example
like
if
we
can
get
up
to
a
million
dollars
out
of
them.
We're
probably
talking
a
10
15
20
year
lease
because
they
need
that
roi
long
term,
and
if
the
city
is
coming
with
more
bang
for
the
buck,
they
know
they're
going
to
have
a
better
course.
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AA
Any
other
golf
course
questions
all
right,
I'll
go
on
to
our
priority
project
number
two,
which
is
the
swannanoa
river
greenway.
So
this
project
would
be
shovel
ready
by
october
of
2022,
which
is
around
the
same
time.
These
grants
would
be
awarded
getting
the
tpdf
funding
would
allow
to
maximize
cost
efficiencies,
minimize
environmental
impacts
to
the
area
and
minimize
impacts
to
the
businesses
in
the
projected
area.
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So
this
specific
project
starts
at
the
corner
of
thompson,
street
and
glendale
avenue,
and
moves
east
to
bleachery
road,
which
is
our
bleachery
boulevard,
which
is
right
there
at
the
east,
asheville
walmart,
the
total
greenway
corridor
on
the
swannanoa
river
is
7.5
miles,
connecting
all
the
way
to
the
city
limit
and
on
tunnel
road
in
east
asheville.
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AA
The
tourism
product
development
fund
requested
amounts,
2.3
million
city
already
currently
has
budgeted
a
little
over
3.8
million,
which
is
all
go
bond
funds
bringing
a
total
project
to
6.1.
If
the
product
development
fund
were
to
award
any
greenway
questions.
C
Yeah
yeah
well,
so
how?
How
is
this
affected,
if,
at
all,
with
dot's
plans
around
around
this
area,.
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I
might
have
to
steph
on.
Z
What's
important
to
know
about
this
section
is
that
it's
not
adjacent
to
the
ncdot
a
corridor,
so
it's
it
can
be
built
regardless
of
the
project
that
they
have
planned
on.
That's
why
we're
doing
it?
First,
okay,
okay,.
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All
right
so
moving
on
to
our
priority
project
number
three,
which
is
the
gateway
to
the
southern
appalachians
at
the
wnc
nature
center.
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So
for
this
project
picture,
when
you
go
to
like
the
north
carolina
state
view
zoo
or
any
other,
like
large
attraction,
you
go
through
the
ticketing
entrance
and
then
there's
normally
a
large
plaza
or
space,
where
you
kind
of
like
design
your
day
with
your
family
right,
so
that
doesn't
exist
at
the
wnc
nature
center.
At
the
moment,
you
get
your
ticket,
you
walk
in
and
you're
just
in
right.
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We
start
with
attendance
numbers,
because
attendance
is
important,
since
all
of
the
revenue
comes
from
gate
revenue
with
small
little
bits
from
food
and
beverage
and
merchandise
sales.
So
in
2015
the
friends
of
the
nature
center
applied
for
grant.
We
were
doing
121
000
people
per
year.
Roughly
that
grant
was
through
the
tourism
product
development
fund
for
the
new
entrance
space
that
is
at
the
nature
center.
If
you've
been
any
time
since
2018.
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it
opened
in
2018,
and
we
had
an
immediate
bump
in
attendance
of
31
percent,
which
is
significant
right
and
our
products.
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Red
pandas
right
well
that
had
something
to
do
with
it,
but
you
had
to
get
in
to
see
the
red
pandas,
so
per
caps
started
climbing
from
there
and
we're
up
to
almost
seven
dollars
ahead
per
cap
outside
of
the
pandemic
year.
Those
attendance
numbers
keep
growing
we're
anticipating
this
project
will
grow
attendance
by
about
nine
percent
within
the
first
three
years.
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So
your
current
situation
at
the
nature
center
drop-off
circle
is
that
main
entrance
area
ticking
area
is
part
of
that
td
t
pdf
project
a
few
years
ago.
What's
currently
listed
is
hay.
Storage
is
a
shell
of
a
building
that
was
created
for
a
phase
two
in
the
future,
which
is
this
project.
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What's
now
a
butter,
what
would
now
be
a
butterfly
exhibit
with
a
chrysalis
swing,
butterfly
garden
and
number
seven,
a
small
like
picture
like
a
small
glass
gazebo
where
in
season
chrysalises
can
be
in
there
and
you
can
actually
see
butterflies
hatching,
and
I
don't
know
if
hatching
is
the
right
word
but
coming
out
of
the
chrysalis
chris
gentile
is
here.
If
you
have
chrysalis
questions.
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So
also,
it
creates
an
open
guest
plaza
in
number
11,
which
would
be
designed
for
special
events
to
help
grow
like
the
brews
and
bears
and
other
fundraising
events
that
the
friends
of
the
nature
center
do
and
the
domestic
animal
space,
which
is
number
10,
12
and
6
here,
would
create
a
special
zone
for
the
donkey
which
hooved
animals
need.
A
specific
substrate
for
and
goats
are
the
majority
of
the
animals
in
the
domestic
space,
which
is
number
10
and
they
are
climbers
and
so
taking
out.
The
the
elephant.
AA
So
this
project's
already
funded
by
the
tune
of
480
000
from
the
city
of
asheville
and
150
000
from
the
friends
of
the
nature
center,
with
a
goal
of
asking
the
product
development
fund
for
567
000
for
a
roughly
1.2
million
dollar
project,
any
questions
in
the
nature
center
project
nope
all
right,
I'm
gonna
pass
it
back
to
steph
to
talk
about
the
cox
avenue
complete
street,
my
gift
to
you.
Thank
you.
Chris.
AB
Z
You
all
know
we
are
anticipating
coming
to
you
for
the
potential
adoption
of
the
south
slope
vision
plan
pretty
soon
and
part
of
that
vision
plan
was
the
conceptualization
of
cox
avenue
as
a
complete
and
green
street,
so
the
cox
avenue
complete
street
project
is
something
that
was
very
community
driven
before
we
went
into
the
pandemic.
Z
The
project
stretches
from
patton
avenue
right
in
the
heart
of
our
downtown,
all
the
way
to
southside
avenue.
We
have
money
for
design
and
we
anticipate
that.
The
funding
that
we're
looking
at
now
and
the
funding
that
we
would
be
asking
for
with
tpdf
would
help
us
understand
what
would
be
we
would
be
able
to
build,
and
what
I
mean
by
that
is
how
much
we
would
be
able
to
build.
That's
quite
a
a
large
swath.
Z
So
it
sounds
like
nothing
0.6
miles,
but
in
that
point
six
miles
there
are
more
property
owners,
business
owners
residents
and
what
have
you
by
far
than
what
we
dealt
with
in
two
miles
of
the
rad
tip.
So
it's
quite
a
complex
project
and
when
we
met
with
the
community,
we
heard
several
concerns
from
folks.
Of
course,
at
the
time
it
was
before
we
worked
with
asheville
on
bikes
and
the
street
tweaks
team
to
look
at
the
corridor
for
potential
bike
and
pedestrian
improvements.
We
have
some
of
those
in
in
a
more
tactical
urbanism
form.
Z
Z
A
really
big
concern
for
people
is
the
storm
water
that
is
just
very
visibly
turns
into
a
river
honestly.
If
you
look
at
cox
avenue
do
during
a
storm
event,
everything
from
downtown
is
going
right
down
there.
It's
actually
you
know
that
used
to
be
a
ravine.
It
was
filled
in
when
the
battery
park
apartments,
which
was
a
hotel,
was
built
and
underneath
that
are
either
the
tributaries
or
the
main
lines
of
what
ends
up
as
nasty
branch
in
the
south
side
community.
Z
Z
There's
also
some
climate
issues
people
are
concerned
about,
and
that
is
just
in
a
downtown
environment.
You
know
we
have
a
lot
of
carbon
emissions.
We
don't
have
enough
trees
to
act
as
sinks
the
the
storm
water
actually
within
increased
storm
events,
that
is
our
largest
climate
threat.
So
the
cox
avenue
complete
street
is
just
it's
a
response
to
that
and
we've
come.
We've
came
up
with
a
concept
that
provided
safer
places
for
pedestrians
places
for
us
to
support
arts
and
commerce
that
is
aligned
with
our
community,
more
expressions
of
history
and
culture.
Z
The
south
slope,
neighborhood
association,
has
worked
with
members
of
the
south
side
community
to
talk
about
how
the
african-american
heritage
trail
might
be
supported
in
the
area,
and
this
would
allow
us
to
build
more
space
for
something
like
that.
We'd
be
able
to
have
safer
and
more
permanent
bike
lanes,
get
that
storm
water
improvement,
and
then
we
were
talking
about
the
green
infrastructure.
Z
Z
We
already
have
over
11
or
11
million
dollars
in
the
the
budget,
so
the
overall
project
budget
would
be
just
over
14
million
dollars,
and
the
next
slide
is
just
talking
about
the
total
tpdf.
But
I'd
like
to
take
questions
about
cox
avenue.
If
you
have
them.
B
I
just
wanted
to
say
thank
you
to
not
just
asheville
and
bikes,
but
blue
ridge,
bicycle
club,
aarp
strive
open
streets,
asheville
and
all
the
volunteers,
because
the
tactical
urbanism
is
like
that
on
the
ground.
Real-Time
engagement
that
helped
to
inform
how
we
got
the
speeds
not
just
for
locals,
but
also
for
our
visitors
across
the
board,
down
making
the
streets
safer
and
that
helped
us
to
get
to
here.
So
for
the
record
just
wanted
to
say.
Thank
you.
Z
Absolutely
you're
100
correct.
They
were
a
big
part
of
our
process
so
for
the
tpdf
grant
amount
requested.
All
in
all
I
mentioned
at
the
very
beginning.
Z
It
is
seven
million
eight
hundred
and
sixty
seven
thousand
dollars,
and
hopefully,
during
this
presentation
we
provided
you
with
the
background
that
you
needed
and
that
the
community
needed
to
better
understand
parts
of
the
eligible
eligibility
requirements
for
this
funding
and
where
it
comes
from-
and
I
appreciate
the
mayor
underscoring
some
of
that
as
well-
that
we
forgot
to
put
in
here
that
it
is
a
match
and
that's
important.
D
I
have
a
question
going
back
to
what
I
mentioned
earlier
about
the
county's
ask
around
affordable
housing.
If
we
find
on
thursday
that
that's
a
suitable
ask,
will
we
amend
and
include
such
an
application
or
will.
AC
I
I
will,
I
will
come
back
to
council
and
we
can
or
cannot
reconsider.
A
I
think
the
I
think
the
practical
problem
is
that
this
funding
cycle
is
happening
right
now,
if
the
affordable
housing,
if
they
determine
that
they
can
do
it,
it
would
be
applicable
to
affordable
housing
that
somebody's
in
the
process
of
building
that
would
or
will
be
in
the
process
of
building.
That
will
be
for
folks
that
work
in
the
tourism
industry,
so
probably
to
get
that
on
deck,
is
not
going
to
happen
in
this
cycle.
A
There's
we're
going
to
need
that
clearance
to
know
that
that's
available
and
then
put
together
the
project
to
make
it
happen.
Just
but
we'll
know
more
thursday
when
we
have
a
meeting
with
them
to.
D
B
I'm
curious,
if,
if
we
were
to
have
a
motion
that
says
we're
instructing
the
city
manager
to
move
forward
with
this
and
to
pursue
affordable
housing
flexibility,
if
that
becomes
an
option,
does
that
give
you
more
leeway
to
make
a
move.
A
It's
applicable
just
to
add
a
layer
of
complexity
here,
so
the
tbdf
fund
is
available
to
city
county,
all
the
municipalities
in
buncombe,
county
and
non-profits.
There's
15
million
projected
to
be
in
this
pot
under
the
old
legislation
and
it
has
to
be
spent
per
the
whatever
the
legislation
is
in
place.
At
the
time
it's
collected,
we
have
been
trying
to
have
a
coordinated
effort
with
buncombe
county
to
understand
what
their
asks
are
going
to
be
so
we're
not
competing
with
each
other.
We're
complimenting
each
other
they're.
A
Also
looking
at
the
affordable
housing
piece
so-
and
I
know
woodfin
may
be
coming
in
with
the
wave
and
their
riverside
park,
so
we're
we
we
will,
we
will
be
out
of
money,
so
we
I
mean
so
I
think
I
mean
this
will
be
out
of
money
yeah.
So
I
don't.
I
don't
know
exactly
how
that
could
be
worded,
but
and
there.
I
I
don't
want
to
underscore
the
criteria
and
the
approach
that
staff
took.
We
took
shovel
ready,
we
need
to
do
I'm
telling
you
all.
There's
tons
of
needs
in
our
community
infrastructure
is
one
of
them.
I
mean
we
really
really
gotta
get
back
to
the
to
the
basics
of
maintaining
our
assets,
the
ones
that
we
have
now
and-
and
this
is
not
to
understate
the
need
for
affordable
housing.
A
So
we
need
so
we
do
yeah
the
and
again.
This
is
a
new
process
for
this.
A
A
lot
of
it's
new,
the
the
having
meetings
with
the
county
and
kind
of
working
together
with
the
tda
to
line
line
things
up
is
is
new
and
then
us,
as
a
council
formally
considering
the
list,
is
also
a
new
and
good.
I
think
good
change.
C
A
A
A
We
may
have
outlasted
scott
stevenson.
Okay,
all
right,
I
don't
have
anyone
else
signed
up
to
speak
under
this
item.
Okay,
I'm
going
to
do
a
roll
call
vote,
beginning
with
councilwoman
kilgore
aye
councilwoman
roney,
aye,
councilwoman,
mosley,
aye,
councilwoman
turner,
aye.
Vice
mayor,
I
myself,
I
councilwoman
whistler
aye!
Okay!
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
now,
on
to
the
next
item,
so
council,
we
we
do
have
a
closed
session
and
staff
is
estimating
that
it
will
take
between
30
minutes
and
an
hour
if
it
was
gonna.
Be
brief,
I
would
have
taken
a
break
and
done
that,
but
not
when
it's
like
that
long
and
all
these
folks
are
waiting.
A
AD
Good
evening,
mayor
and
city
council
members,
I'm
ken
putnam,
the
transportation
department
director
and
tonight,
I'm
going
to
introduce
you
to
the
subject
about
converting
merriman
avenue
from
four
lanes
to
three
lanes:
the
key
takeaways,
the
key
takeaways.
That
ncdot
has
programmed
a
project
to
resurface,
merriman
avenue
during
this
calendar
year
at
a
total
cost
of
about
two
and
a
half
million
dollars,
and
the
proposed
project
includes
converting
a
section
of
merriman
avenue
between
midland
road
and
wt
weber,
boulevard
from
four
lanes
to
three
lanes.
AD
AD
AD
AD
AD
Some
of
the
early
outcomes
from
the
charlotte
street
conversion
we
have
seen
the
crashes
have
decreased
by
as
much
as
59
and
the
speeds
have
decreased
by
3
percent
emergency
vehicle
response
times.
The
asheville
fire
department
does
not
anticipate
any
negative
impacts
to
the
response
times
based
on
research
and
what
they
have
experienced
on
charlotte
street.
AD
Now,
due
to
the
current
limited
resources,
the
asheville
police
department
initially
expressed
concerns
about
response
times
for
service
calls,
but
are
now
comfortable
with
the
proposed
proposed
project
due
to
the
potential
for
the
street
to
be
converted
back
to
four
lanes.
If
safety
issues
occurred
and
apd
will
closely
monitor
the
response
times
after
the
project
is
completed,
the
agreement
will
definitely
include
all
the
construction
and
maintenance
responsibilities.
AD
It
includes
a
removal
clause,
it
includes
the
project,
cost
and
cost
sharing
amounts,
and
we
will
also
the
ncdot
and
city
staff
will
meet
on
a
quarterly
basis
following
the
information
implementation
to
review
any
safety
and
operations
data,
including
the
response
time
data
that
will
be
provided
by
apd
to
assess
the
impacts
of
this
one.
This
for
three
lane
conversion.
C
Quick
question:
I
was
driving
up
merriman
the
other
day
and
I
noticed
that
there
are
three
midlands
that
run
into
run
into
merriman
intersect.
You
know
I
assume
they're
circular,
so
is
it
the
northernmost
midland?
It's.
AD
R
Okay,
I
have
a
few
questions.
Sure,
okay,
first
of
all,
I
I
noticed
that
you
said
that
the
cost
would
be
275
000..
Yet
in
the
report
it
actually
said
the
deposit
would
be
275,
000
and
any
other
cost
after
that
would
be
the
responsibility
of
the
city.
Did
I
not
read
that
right
in
the
actual.
AD
No,
the
when
we,
when
we
signed
the
agreement
and
send
it
to
the
d.o.t,
then
we
would
send
with
them
a
check
for
275
000.
That's
the
anticipated
cost
to
the
city
to
make
the
traffic
signal
changes.
Yes,
then,
after.
R
AD
R
Exactly
exactly
so,
we
don't
really
have
a
set
cost
on
that.
Okay
and
then
the
other
thing
that
you
said
when
you
said
that
the
actual
survey
that
you
did
basically
consisted
of
4
000
participants.
Yet
I
was
just
wondering:
do
you
actually
have
the
addresses
or
the
names
of
those
people?
So
we
can
tell
whether
or
not
those
participants
are
actually
local
participants
that
participate
in
that
survey,
because
if-
and
that's
that's
one
of
my
concerns,
do
you
know
if
you
have
that.
AD
Okay,
the
the
survey
itself
was
established
between
the
ncdlt
and
the
the
city,
and
I
don't
have
the
information
as
to
whether
or
not
we
have
actual
addresses
for
everyone
that
filled
out
the
survey.
R
Yes,
that
is
a
big
concern
for
me,
because
I
I
just
can't
imagine
I
was
actually
at
the
open
house
during
february
that
they
had,
and
I'm
just
very
I
I
just
very
suspicious
about
the
4
000
number.
I
I
think
that
the
majority
of
those
participants
were
not
local.
R
The
other
thing
I
have
a
concern
about
is
because
of
the
high
traffic
that
occurs
on
vermont
avenue.
I'm
concerned
that
it
is
a
public
safety
issue.
To
some
degree,
I
think,
to
introduce
bicycles
in
a
high
traffic
area.
Is
a
danger
not
only
to
the
the
the
people
in
the
community,
because,
basically
what
happens
is
if
you
basically
say
it's:
okay,
most
a
lot
of
the
bicyclists
are
professional.
R
They
can
pretty
much
ride
their
bikes
anywhere,
but
when
you
start
introducing
bicycle
lanes
in
a
high
traffic
area,
then
you're
pretty
much
inviting
anybody
to
come
down
to
use
these
bicycles.
I
mean
use
these
bicycle
lanes
and
to
me
to
encourage
the
use
of
bicycle
in
high
traffic
areas
to
me
is
irresponsible.
R
If
you
look
at
the
the
basically
the
the
amount
of
traffic
on
charlotte
street,
I
think
was
something
like,
maybe
what
eleven
thousand
fifteen
thousand
some
and
these
and
these
particulars
the
particular
data
that
you're
using,
was
actually
took
place
in
2016
in
2016
and
now
we're
in
2022,
which
is
basically
I
mean
what's
that
by
four
or
five
six
years
difference,
and
I'm
quite
sure
the
population
has
changed
as
well
as
the
traffic
patterns
have
changed.
R
Charlotte
street
basically
consists
of
a
lot
of
houses
on
on
their
street
residential
and
very
few
businesses.
But
yet-
and
still
if
you
look
at
merriman
you're
looking
at
over
180
businesses
located
with
different,
turns
lots
of
turns
to
actually
get
to
him
and
then
the
traffic,
I
think,
is
something
like.
Even
it
was
2016,
it
was
run
into
something
like
between
21
and
25
000,
automobiles,
a
day
which,
I'm
quite
sure,
that's
a
lot
higher.
R
And
then,
if
you
look
at
the
center
lane,
basically
you
look
at
you've,
got
about
six
bus
stops
going
down
merriman
and
if
you're
behind
a
bus
and
how
many
people
are
going
to
use
that
center
lane
to
get
around
that
bus
and
I
and
and
basically,
if
you're,
looking
at
and
not
only
that
it
increases
actual.
I
think
it
was
something
like
17
minutes.
It
adds
to
your
actual
time
to
get
to.
I
mean
getting
from
one
point
to
the
other
once
they
put
this
road
diet
in.
R
And
I
truly
believe
not
only
that,
because
you
do
have
so
many
turns
to
different
businesses,
because
you
have
so
many
businesses
aligned
on
merriman
avenue.
Then
you've
got
the
issue
with
cars
being
in
that
center
lane.
That's
turning
here
or
turning
there
and
then,
even
if
you've
got
these
lanes
and
you
have
an
emergency
vehicle
coming
up
the
street,
because
the
traffic
could
be
so
heavy.
How
do
those
cars
merge
back
into
the
other
lane
when
emergency
vehicles
coming
through?
R
So
I
think
that
we're
looking
at,
I
think
that,
basically,
until
it's
like
it
may
be
a
good
idea
in
reality
I
mean
you
know
in
the
long
run,
but
right
now
where
we're
looking
at,
I
think
until
we
get
I
I-26
completely
completed,
so
we
can
actually
be
able
to
judge
what
what
how
the
traffic
is
affected
and
then
not
only
that
we've
got
urban
village
up
on.
R
I
think
it's
right
there
across
from
on
merriman
avenue
across
from
ingles,
that's
designed
urban
village
so
and
then
you're
looking
at
charlotte
street
developments
that
are
actually
coming
down
the
pipeline,
so
you're,
looking
at
all
this
growth
here,
but
yet
and
still
we're
going
to
consider
moving
to
a
road
diet
which
basically
will
affect
all
all
these
things
will
be
affected,
and
the
one
thing
I'm
concerned
about
too
is
how
often
does
the
d.o.t
actually
put
a
clause
into
a
a
conversion
that
basically
say
if
this
doesn't
work
after
a
certain
period
of
time,
then
you're
going
to
have
to
pay
for
it
to
convert
it
back.
R
How
often
is
that
clause
used,
and,
and
and
and
also
if
you
look
at
the
amount
of
money,
basically
that
you're
looking
at
275
000,
maybe
more
and
300
000-
to
convert
back
we're
looking
at
in
the
long
run,
possibly
close
to
a
million
dollars
for
something
that
we
don't
even
know
it's
going
to
work.
So
I'm
saying
that
I
think
to
be
more
fiscally
responsible.
R
A
A
R
A
He's-
and
I
don't
know
if
ken,
if
you
want
to
address
any
of
of
what
councilwoman
kilgore
said,
I
think
I
heard
some
things
that
are
not
accurate
and
what
and
what
you
said,
although
I
know
I
know
you're,
not
supportive
of
it,
but
I
I
just
just
for
the
you
know
public
we
might
want
to.
We
might
want
to
clarify
some
of
the
some
of
the
yeah
I
mean
so,
for
I
mean
for
one
of
the
you
know.
For
my
own
and
ken
you
don't
have
to.
A
I
mean
yeah
from
from
my
understanding.
Is
that
we're
talking
about
the
section
from
where
weaver
tees
in
to
merrimen
north
and
that
section
actually
has
a
traffic
count
similar
to
charlotte
street?
The
the
area
from
weaver
to
town
is
heavier
and
does
have
more
traffic
and
would
not
be
eligible
for
a
road
diet.
However,
the
weaver
to
beaver
lake
section
it
is
similar
to
charlotte
street.
The
commute
time
is
not
expected
to
to
be
17
minutes
more
and
the
the
emergency
response.
A
My
understanding
is
that
actually,
the
emergency
response
vehicles
have
been
able
to
use
the
center
lane
on
charlotte
street,
and
that
is
what
the
federal
highway
administration
will
show
you
in
their
examples
of
road
diets
and
why
we're
hearing
that
the
fire
department
is
supportive
of
the
road
of
the
road
diet,
and
I-
and
I
don't
know
if
other
folks
have
questions
for
ken,
but
I
but
I
I
would
take
this
moment
to
say
some
things
and
you
can.
A
You
can
sit
down
if
you
want
to,
but
I
I've
I've
lived
up
in
north
asheville
since
1988
I've
lived
in
norwood
park,
I've
lived
off
of
kimberley
and
I
now
live
off
of
beaver
dam,
and
I
have
three
sons:
20
18
and
new,
almost
newly
permitted
driver
at
15.,
my
mother,
my
father,
my
family
all
live
in
north
asheville.
I
commute
into
downtown
to
my
to
either
to
city
hall
or
to
my
law
firm
every
day,
and
I
will
along
this
road
diet.
A
I
think
I
think
of
everybody
on
council,
I'm
probably
the
one
gwen
you're
up
on
kimberly,
but
I
definitely
have
to
use
this
quarter
every
day.
I
grocery
shop
on
it.
I
go
to
the
dry
cleaner.
I
go
to
the
post
office,
whatever
just
like.
Probably
some
people
who
are
here
that
are
going
to
speak
on
this.
A
To
me,
this
is
a
safety
issue.
I
understand
there's
a
lot
of
conversation
around
bikes
and
bike
usage
and
whether
it
should
be
supported,
because
of
that
I
I
I
you
know
if
bikers
are
able
to
use
this
corridor
safely.
That
is
a
great
benefit.
But
for
me
this
is
a
safety
issue.
The
the
number
of
accidents
on
this
section
of
merrimen
is
very
high
when
compared
to
similar
roads.
A
In
fact,
I've
heard
it's
the
highest
when
compared
to
similar
roads
in
north
carolina
and
I'm
seeing
one
of
our
guests
from
d.o.t
nodding
his
head
that
that's
unacceptable.
I
personally
have
written
letters
to
the
dot
asking
for
a
red
light
to
be
installed
after
a
pedestrian
is
killed
by
a
car.
I
have.
I
have
a
neighbor
whose
son
killed
a
pedestrian
accidentally
in
a
very
in
an
early
morning,
collision
right
in
front
of
avenue
m.
A
A
I
have
run
run
it
with
my
parent
walked
it
with
my
parents,
run
it
on
my
by
myself
crossed
every
which
way
possible
and
I'm
very
excited
that
the
department
of
transportation
in
north
carolina
has
adopted
a
complete
streets
policy
which
allows
for
the
potential
for
road
diets.
We've
done
many
road
diets.
Now
in
asheville,
we've
done
weaver
boulevard,
we've
done
college
street
downtown
we've
done
charlotte
street.
A
We
have
three
more
in
the
pipeline
behind
this,
and
this
is
a
trend
you're
seeing
in
cities
across
the
nation
to
reclaim
streets
that
were
once
two-lane
roads
and
that's
what
merriman
was.
It
was
a
two-lane
road
and
now
we,
you
know
the
for
many
many
years
in
america
we
just
widened
and
wide
and
widened,
and
we've
learned
that
just
continuing
to
widen
roads
is
not
compatible
with
a
livable
city.
A
What
I'm
not
hearing
is
a
lot
of
objection
from
business
owners
because
business
owners
know
this
is
good
for
business
and
and
it
is
good
for
business,
it's
absolutely
good
for
business
and
that
that
is
the
truth
and
all,
and
we
how
many
times
have
we
seen
a
car
plow
into
a
business
on
merriman
into
the
corner
where
cvs
pharmacy
is
I've,
seen
a
car
all
the
way
up
on
the
curb
and
the
former
asian
market
on
on
merriman
avenue
had
a
car
plow
right
into
it.
A
So
I
you
know
to
me
with
my
children,
driving
it
with
my
family
driving
with
my
friends
and
my
neighbors
driving
it.
I
think
it's
imperative
for
us
to
make
it
safer,
and
I
think
this
change
will
be
will
be
good.
I
think
you
know.
I
personally
have
spoken
with
our
department
of
transportation
representative
on
the
board
on
the
transportation
board
and-
and
we
have
worked
tried
to
work
very
closely
with
the
dot
on
this
project.
A
They,
their
engineers,
have
taken
a
very
close
look
at
it
and
feel
that
it
can
work
for
our
community.
There
is
an
out
clause,
and
that
is
because
this
is
a
change
that
is
is
significant
and
I
think
it
is
natural
for
people
to
sort
of
say
I'm
not
sure
I
don't
really
understand.
Is
this
definitely
going
to
work?
What
if
it
doesn't
work
and-
and
I
think
to
assure
folks
that
there
is
a
way
to
change
it
if
it's
needed
it's
there,
but
it
is
not
expected
that
it
will
be
needed
and.
C
Also,
I
mean
just
so
you
know
I
did
a
little
research
with
the
mpo
and
sit
and
ask.
C
Oh
I'm
sorry,
the
metropolitan
planning
organization
which
councilwoman
rony-
and
I
are
members
of
to
just
ask
about
this
out
clause
and
and
ask
are:
are
we
the
only
ones
who
have
been
asked
to
execute
the
outclass
and
actually
two
other
municipalities
were
identified
and
that
have
were
asked
to
have
this
outclause
and
neither
of
them
have
been
asked
to
use
it.
C
So
it's
not
it's
not
as
if
ncdot
has
selected
this
and
is
so
nervous
about
it
that
you
know
we're
the
first
and
only
ones
that
are
required
to
have
this
out
clause.
This
is
something
that
other
municipalities
have
agreed
to.
We're
not
being
just
singled
out
for
this.
Is
that
right?
Mark,
okay,
one
other
question:
one
other
thing.
R
Accidents
on
mayorman
avenue,
you
were
saying
that
now
tell
me:
were
those
accidents
that
you're
talking
about
between
weaver
and
midland,
or
did
it
take
in
consideration
the
whole
merriman
avenue
when
we
were
talking
about
the
high
accident
or
death.
AD
R
AD
That
result
was,
and
the
results
are,
the
the
crash
rates
were
high
on
every
scenario
that
they
did
on.
R
C
Ken
can
you
can
you
address,
or
or
if
d.o.t
wants,
to
the
projection
on
what
the
reduction
in
travel
time
as
a
result
of
the
road
diet
might
be,
because
I'm
I
remember
back
when
we
were
when
you
were
estimating
it
for
charlotte
street
you
estimated
substantially
higher
than
it
actually
turned
out
to
be
that
the
delay
was.
C
The
actual
delay
is
less
than
what
we
were
projecting
it
to
be.
But
I'm
wondering
for
this
for
this
proposal,
if
d.o.t
or
the
city
has
come
up
with
any
estimate
relative
to
an
increase
in
travel
time,
no.
C
AD
AE
Good
evening,
mayor
and
council
members,
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
come
speak
to
you
have
to
say
that
y'all
work
very
hard.
It's
almost
past
my
bedtime
so
I'll
be
standing
up
here
at
nine
o'clock,
but
certainly
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
come
before
you
and
you're
right.
I
can
address
that
here
in
just
a
moment
with
our
new
division
engineer
who's
here,
so
I'll
introduce
him
in
a
moment,
but
as
far
as
the
travel
time
expectations,
I
think,
based
off
of
what
my
staff
has
told
me
in
our
congestion
management
units.
AE
It's
about
17,
which
correlates
to
about
two
to
three
minutes
of
delay.
So
hopefully
that
clarifies
that
that
question
to
some
degree.
So,
okay.
D
Did
you
have
your
plate
on?
I
do
have
a
question,
however.
I
fear
that
it's
a
very
simple
question
in
light
of
this
very
serious
discussion
point
I'm
just
simply
curious.
There
were
three
points
made
on
a
slide
about
like
concern
from
the
community
and
so
on,
and
this
is
probably
a
question
for
ken.
I'm
sorry
is
it
not?
I
guess
I
might
be
breaking
a
local
rule
when
a
bus
is
stopped
on
the
side
of
the
road
picking
up
passengers.
D
AD
Yeah
yeah
we're
not
talking
about
having
to
stop
with
the
bus.
The
real
purpose
of
the
turn
lane
is
for
turning
movements
now
over
time,
especially
on
five
lane
kerbin
gutter
roads.
What
that
lane
has
defaulted
to
is
someone's
trying
to
get
out
from
a
side
street,
especially
making
a
left
turn
they'll
get
into
that
lane
either
sit
there
or
try
to
accelerate
almost
use
it
like
an
acceleration
lane,
which
is
not
good
at
all.
Oh.
R
AD
They're
looking
they're
looking
behind
them
to
see
if
it's
clear
to
move
over
there,
maybe
someone
ahead
of
them
is
trying
to
sit
in
there
to
make
a
left
turn
right.
So
to
answer
your
question,
the
real
purpose
of
the
turn
lane
is
only
four
turns
sure.
So,
but
if
you
were
to
do
that
maneuver
and
go
around
the
bus,
you
won't
get
a
ticket,
but
you
could
cause
a
crash.
AD
D
That
makes
me
feel
slightly
better.
I
think
thanks,
but.
AD
But
I
wouldn't
say
I
would
have
a
very
serious
portion.
I
would
add
if
this
were
indeed
a
a
project
that
would
meet
the
level
of
being
in
the
transportation
improvement
program,
then
a
road
diet
would
probably
include
the
possibility
of
providing
turnouts
for
the
bus
to
be
able
to
pull
off,
but
this
is
a
resurfacing
project
and
it
can't
accommodate
that
it
has
to
be
done
within
the
right
of
way.
Thank
you.
You're
welcome,.
R
I'd
like
may,
I
ask
mark
a
question
with
the
d.o.t
I
I
noticed
that
in
2018,
basically,
your
design
for
merriman
avenue
was
five
lanes
and
I'm
just
trying
to
figure
out
with
the
increase
in
population
increase
in
traffic
and
and
now
we're
down
to
three.
So
I'm
just
wondering
so
how
did
you
get
there?
There.
AE
Was
actually
two
projects
proposed
about
four
years
ago,
we
had
public
hearings
on
those
did
not
have
a
lot
of
support
from
the
city
of
asheville
on
those
projects
as
well
and
certainly
didn't
have
much
support
for
those
projects
from
the
community.
So
we
listened
and
went
back
to
the
npo
and
basically
those
projects
were
removed
from
the
from
the
step
from
the
program,
so
they
they
no
longer
exist.
AE
So
I
think
there
was.
There
was
an
indication
there
that
the
community
was
looking
at
something
other
than
widening,
as
the
mayor
pointed
out
a
little
while
ago,
so
I
think
going
to
a
three
lane.
I
I'll
just
say
you
know
from
dot's
perspective
that
this
is
not
an
end-all,
be-all,
fix-all
project.
If
it
were,
if
it
were
a
step
type
project,
then
we
would
be
incorporating
bus,
pull-outs,
transit,
pull-outs,
improved
sidewalks,
we
would,
you
know,
probably
have
a
separation
between
the
bike
lanes
and
the
travel
lanes.
AE
So
to
be
able
to
come
to
this
point
where
we
can
do
a
project
like
this
within
a
year
15
months
time
frame,
it's
just
if
you
know
dot,
that's
pretty
much
unheard
of
so
to
do
a
project
that
quickly
so
we're
utilizing
those
funds,
those
resurfacing
funds
to
as
a
low-cost
measure,
to
try
to
improve
the
safety
and
just
from
a
safety
standpoint.
Generally
speaking,
the
average
reduction
in
the
number
of
accidents
on
one
of
these
type
facilities
is
about
29.
AE
I
think
the
range
was
17
to
47
percent
or
something
like
that.
Now
charlotte
street
experienced
a
59
decrease
in
access.
We
don't
expect
that
I'll
just
say:
I'm
not
sure
we
would
even
experience
29
reduction
in
accidents
because
there's
some
factors
there
that
you
don't
have
on
on
charlotte
street,
so
you
have
more
driveways.
You
have
more
businesses
and
you
do
have
slightly
more
traffic
on
merriman
avenue
than
what
you
have
on
charlotte
street,
but
we
do
expect
that
this
will
be
a
safer
facility
as
a
result
of
this.
AE
Otherwise
we
wouldn't
we
wouldn't
be
here.
We
wouldn't
be
standing
before
you
advocating
for
this
project
working
with
the
city,
and
I
have
to
say
if
I
can
just
take
a
moment
to
say
that
ken
and
his
staff
have
been
tremendous
to
work
with
we've
debated,
we've
deliberated,
we've
fought
and
you
know
we've,
but
we've
come
to
a
consensus
on
what
we
think
will
work,
because.
R
AE
That's
correct:
we
were
approached.
I
deliberated
with
other
members
of
d.o.t
staff,
our
integrated
mobility
division,
our
congestion
management
unit,
our
state
traffic
engineer.
I've
talked
to
him
multiple
times,
I've.
You
know,
we've
not
made
this
decision
in
a
box.
It's
it's
been
a
collaborative
effort
with
multiple
units
within
the
department
of
transportation.
To
come
to
this
conclusion,
and
also
with
the
city
of
asheville
and
listening
to
the
public
as
well.
So
we've
we've
worked
hard
to
try
to
get
to
this
point.
AE
R
The
reason
I
do
is
because
I
actually
went
to
the
event
okay,
because
I
wanted
to
get
information
on
it
and
when
I
got
to
the
event
I
was
I
walked
around
and
basically
there
was
no
one
to
talk
to
basically,
except
for
people
giving
out
pamphlets
of
what
a
great
idea
this
was
and
and
the
pictures
on
the
walls
basically
all
supported
this
road
diet.
There
was
no
one.
R
I
said
yes,
he
said
how
can
you
be
against
it
where
your
city
is
promoting,
it
look
around
and
it
actually
did
so
and
and
and
that
to
me
was
very
upsetting
because
it
actually
did
not
give
the
other
side
of
it
or
give
an
option
for
it
and,
like
you
said,
you're
looking
at
this
four
thousand,
unless
I
could
sort
of
see
data
as
to
who
those
four
thousand
people
were,
I'm
not
seeing
it
because
I
have
talked
to
numerous
people,
I
mean
I
pretty
much
have
not.
I
ran
into
one
guy.
R
That
was
a
biker
who
told
me
he
said
you
know
he
says,
I'm
not
really
for
it
or
against
it.
He
said,
but
we've
got
enough
bicycle
trails
or
whatever
he
said.
We
don't
need
to
come
in
the
city
on
busy
streets
other
than
that
pretty
much.
Everyone
that
I
have
run
into
basically
are
against
the
road
diet.
So.
B
B
So
hearing
your
concerns,
I'll
just
name
that
for
me
I
do
see
another
option
and
the
other
option
is
that
we
keep
things
the
way
they
are
and
the
the
crash
ratio.
On
that.
When
I
look
at
our
role
on
the
mpo
with
gwen,
is
we
say
that
we're
going
to
get
serious
about
reducing
our
fatal
and
non-fatal
crashes?
B
And
this
is
exactly
an
opportunity
for
us
to
do
it,
even
if
it's
just
during
the
repave,
and
it
couldn't
be
to
the
fullness
that
we
would
hope
to
see
one
day
being
able
to
use
the
resources
that
we
have.
I
just
want
to
extend
gratitude
for
the
openness
and
flexibility
that
dots
brought
to
the
table
on
this
and
to
our
staff
to
use
a
simile
from
the
nature
center.
It
might
be
time
for
merriment
to
have
a
metamorphosis.
B
I
think
was
the
word
we
were
looking
for
earlier,
and
I
also
wanted
to
share
that.
The
bike,
pedestrian
task
force
and
the
multimodal
transportation
commission
made
a
recommendation
in
february
that
reads:
bike:
bicycle
and
pedestrian
facilities
are
essential
to
merriman
avenue
and
to
the
4-3
lane,
conversion,
which
should
extend
the
length
of
merriman
avenue
and
should
extend
a
chestnut
with
transitional
treatments
made
through
I-240
to
provide
safe
and
predictable
facilities
for
all
people
moving
by
a
variety
of
modes
that
passed
unanimously
and
was
maintained
at
the
may
meeting
of
the
multimodal
transportation
commission.
B
B
But
this
is
a
great
first
step
in
my
opinion,
and
I
also
want
to
say
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
extend
the
timeline
to
revisit
whether
or
not
we
would
need
to
revert
it,
because
it
will
take
time
for
folks
to
adapt
behaviors
and
for
us
to
assess
whether
or
not
we're
getting
the
outcomes
that
we
need
to
get
everybody
to
their
destination
safely.
Which
is
why
I'm
prepared
to
support.
B
I
think
I
have
it
here.
I
moved
to
approve
a
resolution
authorizing
the
city
manager
to
enter
into
and
execute
a
construction
and
maintenance
agreement
with
the
ncdot
in
order
to
implement
a
4-3
lane,
conversion
along
us-25
merriman
avenue
from
midland
road
to
wt
weber
boulevard
as
part
of
a
resurfacing
project
that
will
be
completed
by
the
ncdot
during
calendar
year.
2022..
B
A
Okay,
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
and
we
council-
we
do
have
opportunity
to
discuss
this
a
little
more
if
we
want
to,
but
we
we
do
have
a
bunch
of
people
signed
up
to
speak,
and
I
don't
know
about
you.
Are
you
getting
your
like
blood
sugar
doing?
Okay,
but
so
is
it
all
right?
I'm
gonna
move
into
the
public
comment.
A
Okay,
we
have
this
many
signed
up.
Okay,
so
folks,
you
have
three
minutes
to
speak
in
our
clerk.
Maggie
burleson
will
keep
the
time
you
don't
have
to
use
all
three
minutes,
but
you
can
and
I'm
just
gonna
go
in
order
of
the
sign
up.
So
the
first
to
sign
up
is
cynthia
frazier.
AF
AF
I
am
a
business
owner
as
well.
I've
had
a
business
on
merriman
avenue
since
1986.,
I
own
a
apartment,
building
there
as
well
with
three
apartments
in
it,
and
I
am
dead
set
against
this.
I
have
seen
everything
known
to
man
on
merriman
avenue.
Since
the
80s
I
had
a
woman
killed
on
the
corner
of
merriman
and
coleman
on
my
birthday
a
few
years
ago.
AF
AF
AF
What's
going
to
happen,
is
some
guy
that
or
woman
in
another
lane?
That's
going
the
opposite
direction.
Who
decides
to
be
the
nice
one
and
actually
stop
and
give
you
a
chance
to
turn
where
you're
trying
to
turn
into
a
business
they're
going
to
go,
come
on
and
you're
gonna
hit
it
to
make
that
turn,
and
that
cyclist
that
was
three
cars
back
suddenly
was
right
there
and
bam.
You
just
put
that
cyclist
to
the
ground.
AF
Here
in
your
own
paperwork
here
it
says
there
will
be
motorists
delays
at
intersections,
expected
transit
vehicles
will
cause
congestion
peak
hour
congestion.
These
are
all
in
your
own
words.
What
they
hadn't
even
talked
about
was
what
happens
on
trash
day.
We
got
trash
men,
they're,
stopping
everybody's.
Thank
you
piled
up
recycling
trucks.
A
You,
the
next
person
signed
up
to
speak,
is
clark
mackey.
L
Council
staff
d.o.t
my
name's
clark,
mackey,
I'm
the
current
board,
chair
of
ashland
bikes
and
we
support
this
project.
Many
of
y'all
are
familiar
with
mike
sewell,
our
executive
director.
He
regrets
that
he
can't
be
here.
He
actually
texted
me
a
minute
ago
and
said
he
feels
like
he's
missing
prom
but
he's
home
with
a
family
problem
and
could
not
come
so,
but
I
am
here
to
speak
as
asheville
on
bikes
and
before
I
get
into
the
rest
of
my
remarks.
L
I
wanted
to
say
thank
you,
because
it's
not
easy
to
advance
a
project
that
is
asking
our
world
to
change.
L
L
I
live
on
this
corridor.
I
I
see
these
accidents
happen
every
day
they
have
involved
my
neighbors,
and
I
want
to
point
out
a
few
things.
Each
of
you
received
a
letter
from
asheville
on
bikes
this
week
and
I'm
just
gonna
hit
the
high
points,
but
the
road
is
failing.
The
city
now
and
it's
failing
all
users
of
the
road
these
collisions
are
car
to
car
they're
car
to
pedestrian.
There
are
a
few
cycling
accidents
on
it,
even
though
pedestrians
and
cyclists
avoid
this
street
like
the
plague.
L
So
this
is
not
a
situation
where
we're
making
a
change.
That
is
completely
aspirational.
We
have
a
malfunctioning
shared
asset
of
the
community
and
there
is.
There
is
good
research
that
indicates
why
a
three-lane
traffic
pattern
can
help
solve
these
problems,
and
you'll
have
already
talked
about
some
of
those
things,
but
the
stats
on
merriman
are
true
that
you're
150
more
likely
to
be
involved
in
a
collision
on
this
road
when
compared
with
any
similar
road
in
north
carolina.
L
I
also
note
a
number
of
vacant
properties
on
merriman
and
for
years
as
I've
driven
up
and
down.
I
wonder
why
are
there
so
many
pieces
of
real
estate
in
some
state
of
disrepair
or
left
vacant
when
a
road
like
haywood
road
just
fills
in
and
fills
in?
It
fills
in
and
fills
in
so
in
a
city
where
properties
being
shoehorned
in
next
to
each
other?
L
This
project
is
not
primarily
about
cycling.
It's
about
these
safety
and
health
benefits
for
the
community
and
the
bike.
Lane
is
the
best
use
of
that
extra
space.
Once
we
go
from
a
four
lane
pattern
to
a
three
lane,
but
even
asheville
on
bikes
recognizes
that
the
main
benefit
here
is
for
all
of
us
to
go
down
the
road
more
safely
and
get
to
the
places
we
need
to
go
now
that
bike
lane
provides
a
place
for
all
of
the
multimodal
access
that
needs
to
happen
in
the
future.
L
A
The
next
person
I
have
signed
up
to
speak
is
george
and
george.
I
can't
quite
read
the
handwriting,
but
I
think
it's
lycan
yeah,
oh
he's
not
here,
okay,
jerry
kitsch.
I
think
it's
jerry.
Yes,
thank
you.
V
V
The
council
has
accepted
it
the
city's
accepted
it
has
had
the
people
from
the
department
of
the
d.o.t,
the
city
planning,
but
if
you
recall
how
this
began
to
be
explained
to
the
public
like
myself,
who
are
against
it,
it
started
with
the
28th
meeting
when
which
300
people
attended,
and
it
was
as
as
I
think
it
was
depicted
earlier,
not
a
discussion
meeting.
It
was
a
meeting
to
sell
the
concept
and
the
road
itself.
V
V
I
believe
that
we
we
we
have
a
lot
of
traffic
problems,
but
we
began
by
saying
the
number
of
traffic
accidents
from
woodfin
to
the
end
of
the
or
the
beginning
of
the
road
to
weaverville
had
847
accidents.
V
I
think
someone
said
yes,
we
did
a
survey
of
whether
or
not
they
were
all
on
that
stretch
and
whether
they
were
in
that
final
stretch,
which
we
are
not
touching,
which
has
a
higher
traffic
accident
rate,
I
believe,
but
not
not
stated,
in
other
words,
we're
attributing
saving
lives
and
reducing
traffic
accidents
on
a
part
of
the
largest
part
and
the
least
traveled
part
or
the
least
traffic
affected
part
of
the
whole
merriman
avenue.
So
I
think
we
we
need
to
think
in
terms
of.
Is
this
really
what's
necessary?
V
W
V
To
a
standard,
good
road-
and
it
hasn't
been
for
a
good
number
of
years
that
causes
accidents,
we
have
potholes
traffic
lights.
Permit
left
turns
when
oncoming
traffic
may
not
be
visible.
That
causes
accidents.
I
think
that
if
you
look
at
the
accidents
from
turning
left,
the
bulk
of
them
will
be
because
someone
got
tired
of
waiting
and
decided.
I've
got
to
make
that
trip
across
the
left-hand
lane
and
what
happened
there
was
a
car
coming
that
she
she
or
he
could
not
see.
V
AG
Hello,
everyone
thank
you
for
being
here
and
allowing
us
the
time
to
comment
on
this.
AG
Cynthia
and
I
my
wife
just
spoke,
we
own
a
business
on
marin
avenue,
so
I'm
up
and
down
marin
avenue
all
day
every
day
several
times
and
I
know
all
the
potholes
and
the
places
to
dodge.
So
I
know
a
lot
about
merriman
avenue
and
over
the
years
I've
realized
that
the
main
problem
with
maryland
avenue
is
not
the
road
itself.
It's
the
people
that
drive
on
it.
AG
So
that's
the
main
problem
with
maryland
and
I
don't
think
that
changing
this
road
and
and
doing
the
traffic
flows
is
going
to
do
nothing
but
cause
more
congestion,
and
I
don't
feel
like
it's
going
to
change
anything
because
you
can't
legislate
good
driving
behavior.
AG
As
far
as
the
survey,
I
agree
with
council
kilgore.
We
were
at
that
february
meeting
too
and
I
felt
like
we
was
going
here
and
get
a
chance
because
we
haven't
done
this
meeting
council
thing
before
and
we
walked
in
to
think.
Oh,
let's
see
what
they
have
to
say
and
it's
like
it
wasn't
what
you
got
to
say.
It's
like
look
what
we're
getting
ready
to
do
for
you
feels
like
he's
already
then
decided
like.
Why
are
we
even
here?
AG
It's
already
decided
for
crying
out
loud,
let's
go
home
and
also
the
59,
as
you
mentioned,
I've
wlos
citizen
times,
every
every
place,
I've
seen
where
you
could
put
in
public
comment.
My
thought
was:
it's
probably
70
to
80
percent
negative.
So
I
don't
know
where
this
59
came
from,
but
you
know
so
council,
lady
campbell
speaking
earlier
talking
about
he's.
AG
This
lady
right
here
talking
about
she
was
saying
the
infrastructure
and
what
we
spend
money
on
and
blah
blah,
and
I
was
like
okay
well.
That
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
I
really
like
the
way
she's
talking
so
to
me.
It
seems
like,
with
all
the
issues
that
asheville
and
the
city
council
and
everybody
has
to
deal
with,
that
at
an
expensive
experiment
on
marin.
Avenue
doesn't
seem
to
be
like
that
should
be
one
of
them.
That's
all.
I
have.
A
Thank
you,
cindy
hamilton,.
AC
Okay
good
evening,
madam
mayor
council,
members
and
staff,
my
name
is
cindy
hamilton
and
I've
lived
off
merriman
avenue
for
the
last
20
years,
I'm
speaking
against
the
merriman
avenue
road
diet.
This
was
supposed
to
address
safety
for
all
users.
However
overlaying
the
data
from
the
charlotte
street
road
diet
onto
merriman
is
fundamentally
flawed
and
unsafe,
they're
actually
incomparable.
AC
I
have
the
same
quote
that
was
mentioned
earlier,
so
I'm
not
going
to
read
it,
but
ken
agrees
that
they're
not
comparable.
There
have
been
no
road
diet.
Examples
actually
that
have
been
brought
forward
that
contain
the
material
conditions
that
we
have
on
merriman
avenue.
The
safety
benefits
being
discussed
for
marathon
are
therefore
not
comparable.
AC
It
should
be
noted
that
accidents,
while
taking
a
right-hand
turn
on
charlotte
street,
have
actually
gone
up,
not
as
it
was
incorrect
incorrectly
labeled
on
the
charlotte
street
analysis
report,
they've
gone
up
by
300
percent.
These
are
actually
the
very
turns
that
will
take
the
vehicles
straight
into
the
cycling
lane.
AC
AC
AC
AC
AC
The
reason
why
is
even
if
it
were
free,
it's
illegal
to
pass
in
the
turn
lane
in
north
carolina,
there's
a
great
risk
that
there
will
be
more
cars
and
bike
accidents.
First
responders
have
already
spoken
out
previously
and
know
their
response.
Time
will
increase
if
council
proceeds
and
these
warnings
bear
out,
it
will
be
a
liability
for
the
city
and
its
taxpayers.
AC
AC
AC
AH
Yeah,
frank
dozier:
can
you
hear
me.
AH
AH
AH
They
don't
even
show
the
ramp
down
for
hand,
trucks
to
haul
stuff
in,
and
I
was
told
by
planning
and
zoning
at
that
meeting
that
they
could
park
in
the
middle
in
the
turn
lane
and
hand
truck
it
across
to
the
business.
Now
that's
really
safe.
Now
we
have
really
created
safety.
I've
got
this
big
hand,
truck
and
I'm
hand
trucking
merchandise
across
the
one
lane
that
handles
22
000
cars
a
day
into
a
business.
That's
ridiculous.
AH
And
I
have
seen
this
over
and
over
you
got
to
follow
trash
trucks.
You've
got
recycle
trucks,
you've
got
school,
buses,
you've
got
city
buses,
all
those
stop,
go,
stop
go
and
shut
down
the
only
lane,
that's
going
north
or
south.
I
travel
this
every
day
and
I
don't
even
travel
it
during
the
busy
middle
of
the
day
because
I
got
to
work.
AH
I
changed
all
my
notes
because
every
ms
kilgore
covered
everything
from
the
get-go
as
if
I
had
written
it
for
this
is
this:
is
life
anybody
that
thinks
we
should
adapt
the
new
life.
This
is
the
new
world
you're
wrong.
The
traffic
is
what
it
is.
You
can
get
the
cars
off
of
there,
but
the
cars
when
they're
there
they've
got
to
have
some
place
to
go
and
if
they're
backed
up
they're
going
to
be
backed
up
to
the
previous
traffic
light.
AH
The
I
was
very
disappointed
at
the
meeting
in
february.
My
degree
in
in
school
in
college
was
in
political
science,
and
that
was
a
perfect
case
for
manipulating
a
topic
or
a
project.
It
couldn't
have
been
any
better.
There
wasn't
everybody
there
was
running
around.
It
was
chaos
running
around
trying
to
find
somebody
to
talk
to,
and
I
knew
the
people
to
ask-
and
I
got
answers
that
are
different
than
what
you
guys
were
getting
even
from
the
ncdot
ncdot
was
telling
me.
AH
AI
Thank
you,
madam
mayor
and
members
of
the
city
council,
I'm
randy
warren,
I'm
a
small
business
owner,
I'm
a
vice
chair
of
the
multimodal
transportation
commission,
both
asheville
and
the
state
of
north
carolina
endorse
vision,
zero
and
we
hardly
ever
talk
about
it,
but
it's
a
worldwide
thing,
but
it's
also
a
statewide
thing
and
it's
a
city-wide
thing
and
it's
a
strategy
to
eliminate
all
traffic
fatalities
and
severe
injuries
while
increasing
safe,
healthy
and
equitable
mobility
for
all
research
shows
us
that
communities
are
happiest
when
we're
active,
but
this
really
doesn't
even
have
to
do
with
that.
AI
AI
This
street
we
know,
is
dangerous
and
even
though
some
people
feel
like
it
will
be
more
dangerous
with
the
4-3
conversion,
that's
a
feeling.
Research
backs
up
that
it
won't
be
more
dangerous
and
it's
not
just
saying
that
it's
different
than
charlotte
there's
situations
all
over
the
state
that
the
state
dot
looks
at,
and
it's
not
even
just
the
state
too,
but
the
nation
and
the
world
that
shows
this
type
of
configuration
is
safer.
AI
A
Thank
you,
jennifer
thompson.
Y
Hi
there,
thanks
for
being
here
so
late
tonight.
My
name
is
jen
thompson
and
I've
lived
here
in
nashville
since
2005..
Y
I
am
a
mom
of
two
daughters,
8
and
11,
and
I
am
a
supporter
for
the
maryman
avenue
project.
Y
Safe
transportation
is
a
value
to
me
and
my
family
we're
avid
cyclists
both
on
the
road
and
in
the
mountains,
and
I
often
use
my
ebook
e-bike
cargo
bike
to
get
around
to
get
schools
to
get
to
businesses
to
run
errands
and
in
the
past
two
years
of
e-biking,
with
my
kids
as
much
as
I
can,
even
in
the
rain,
it's
far
more
efficient
time-wise
and
I
do
help
reduce
the
demand
on
city
parking
in
asheville.
Y
So
as
the
merriman
avenue
street
is
currently
configured
I'm
unable
to
safely
ride
to
restaurants,
businesses,
schools,
in
fact,
my
dear
friend,
I
know
it's
been
brought
up
a
lot,
but
my
dear
friend
and
his
family
were
nearly
killed
several
times
crossing
the
charlotte
street
prior
to
the
road
diet
being
put
in
place,
and
now
their
neighborhood
is
vibrant
and
safer,
and
I
just
feel
like
merriman
neighbors
deserve
the
same.
So
your
vote
tonight
has
future
implications
and
please
continue
the
momentum
towards
safer
streets
in
our
city.
Thank
you.
So
much
thank.
AJ
Hi,
I'm
brad
carpenter,
my
family
and
I
live
about
150
feet
off
of
merriman.
We
have
so
for
seven
years
and
we
moved
there
because
it
was
relatively
walkable
and
bikeable.
AJ
So
my
daughter
and
I
have
been
biking
to
her
bike
and
her
school
for
about
six
years
now,
since
she
was,
I
think,
three
pretty
much
every
day
that
we
can
possibly
do
it
except
for
rain,
and
you
know
we
just
love
to
do
that
because
that's
it's
healthier,
it's
fun
and
I
just
prefer
not
to
drive,
but
there's
really
no
easy
way
to
get
her
to
school
without
biking
on
merriman.
So
because
of
that-
and
everyone
knows,
the
sidewalks
need
repairing
and
that
there's
really
no
infrastructure
for
biking
on
merriman.
AJ
We're
asking
you
to
support
this,
this
road
diet.
So,
instead
of
being
fearful
of
change
and
afraid
of
things,
you
know
not
working
out
perfectly.
I
trust
the
dot
and
the
city
to
work.
These
details
out
that
people
have
concerns
with
I.
I
trust
that
we'll
have
slower
cars
and
we'll
have
a
more
a
safer
way
soon,
with
bike
lanes
and
more
slower
cars
to
get
to
where
we're
going
thanks.
A
H
E
AJ
A
Okay,
that
was
the
last
speaker
we
had
signed
up
to
speak
under
this
item.
Questions
comments.
We
already
have
a
motion.
Are
we
ready
to
vote?
Okay?
Are
we
you
guys
are
like
whatever
we
have
to
vote
on
we're
voting.
R
Only
thing
I
can
say
is
this:
I
just
want
to
say
this.
I
just
would
hate
to
be
the
person
to
go
to
a
mother
or
father
or
family
member
to
say
that
they
were
injured
or
killed
on
their
bike
on
merriman.
A
Okay,
we're
gonna,
I'm
councilman
rooney
we're
starting
with
you,
councilwoman
roney
aye
councilwoman,
mosley,
aye,
councilwoman
turner,
aye
vice
mayor.
A
AE
I
guess
thank
you,
I
apologize,
but
the
new
division
engineer
will
be
tim
anderson
he's
over
here,
and
I
also
have
our
senior
planning
engineer
hannah
cook
so
glad
to
have
them
here.
Thank.
AE
A
A
Appreciate
that,
thank
you
all
for
coming
this
evening.
Okay,
council.
This
this
last
item
on
here
is
the
first
step
in
a
process
of
just
asking
the
city
manager
to
review
a
proposal
to
to
rebuild
jones
park,
and
here's
and
based
on,
I
was
talking
with
the
vice
mayor
earlier
and
I
think
a
little
bit
of
clarification
just
once
again
this.
This
is
an
unusual
situation.
The
asheville
city
schools
last
summer
tore
down
jones
park.
A
I
believe
it
was
in
august
and
sent
a
letter
to
to
all
the
parents
saying
that
they
had
to
tear
it
down
because
it
was
dilapidated
and
that
when
they
had
the
funds,
they
would
rebuild
it,
and
we
have
community
members
that
have
raised
the
funds
privately
to
rebuild
the
park.
A
But
the
school
system
has
declined
to
allow
the
park
to
be
rebuilt
and
they
had
a
long
meeting
about
it
and
stated
their
various
reasons
why
they
don't
want
that,
but
they
have
graciously
offered
the
city
the
opportunity
to
to
take
this
park
onto
its
roles.
So
I
have
also
in
this
strange
arrangement
that
we
have
in
buncombe,
county
or
unique.
A
I
will
say:
buncombe
county
is
actually
responsible
for
the
capital
and
maintenance
for
city
facilities,
so
this
school
facilities,
man,
if
it
was
a
city
facility
that
would
be
great
yeah
yeah,
I'm
sorry
for
the
school
facilities
for
the
asheville
city
school
facilities.
So
I
had
a
conversation
with
the
county
manager.
A
She
said
that
they
would
project
manage
the
rebuilding
of
the
park,
so
our
staff
time
would
not
need
to
be
dedicated
to
that
other
than
the
fact
that
it
will
be
constructed
in
the
city
so
permitting
and
those
sorts
of
things
they
would
project
manage
it
work
with
the
private
donors
to
to
project
manage
it
and
once
it's
complete
they,
the
city
school
system,
would
either
deed
or
lease
the
land
to
us.
That
is
the
proposal.
A
It
would
then
become
the
city's
obligation
to
maintain
it,
and
eventually,
you
know
like
with
any
park,
maintain
it
and
then
eventually
replace
it.
So
that
is
the
proposal
we
do
not
have,
as
we
talked
at
our
last
meeting
any
particular
process
for
this,
because
it
is
not
city
land
and
it
wasn't
a
city
park
when
this
park
was
originally
built.
20
years
ago,
the
city
did
agree
to
maintain
it
for
the
first
five
years,
but
that
was
long
ago
and
it
so
you
know
we
obviously
have.
A
A
You
know
we
have
different
scenarios,
but
all
that
we're
talking
about
here
tonight
is
whether
or
not
to
direct
staff
to
review
the
proposal,
not
not
an
up
or
down
do
we
want
to
do
it
or
not,
but
but
asking
staff
to
review
the
proposal
and,
of
course,
that'll
involve
talking
with
the
donors
talking
with
the
county
and
sort
of
coming
back
to
us
with
their
review
of
it
and
recommendations,
we
don't
have
to
have
a
motion
in
a
boat.
We
don't
it
doesn't
have
to
be
a
formal
thing
tonight.
A
D
D
G
A
G
G
A
I
will
say
I
mean
to
your
point,
even
when
there's
been
some
overture
of
willingness
on
the
part
of
the
school
board
when
they
finally
did
have
a
meeting
and
a
discussion
about
it.
Basically,
this
this
school
attorney
came
in
and
gave
them
like
50
reasons
why
they
shouldn't
do
this
and
it
sort
of
spiraled
into
a
death
spiral.
C
You
know
I'm
not
gonna
oppose
staff
looking
into
it,
but
I
guess
if,
if
you
do
I'd
like
to
understand,
you
know
these,
these
other
deals
that
we
have
where
we
maintain
or
we
do
any
work
on
non-city
owned
property
and
what
the
you
know
why
we
have
chosen
to
do
that
and
what
kind
of
programs
and
and
compare
and
contrast
that
to
to
this
situation,
I've
gotten
a
lot
of
emails.
Basically
saying
north
asheville
doesn't
have
any
green
space,
there's
no
place
for
children
to
go.
That's
not
true.
C
I
mean
that
is
not
true.
That
is
my
neighborhood.
There
is
a
lot
of
green
space.
There
may
not
be.
There
may
not
be
playgrounds,
but
there's
a
lot
of
green
space,
and
you
know
what
I'd
also.
So,
if
we
are
going
to
you
know,
do
this
study
or
you
know,
look
at
it.
I'd
like
to
understand
what
the
demographics
of
that
neighborhood
is.
How
do
you?
Where
do
you
go
to
park,
who's,
going
to
use
it
and
then
compare
that
to
our
other
playgrounds
in
the
city
that
have
facilities
etc?
C
C
We
need
to
worry
about
the
things
we
own
now
we're
not
keeping
up.
We,
you
know
our
every
building.
We
have
every
facility
we
have
needs,
help
and
and
adding
new
is,
is
not
a
priority
of
the
cities
and
that's
you
know.
Although
this
is
a
great
opportunity
and
and
then
one
other
thing
I
would,
what
I
would
love
to
see
is
a
way
that
we
could
use
these
funds,
but
also
figure
out
a
way
that
the
maintenance
can
be
paid.
For
I
mean
this
is
these?
C
Are
I
hate
to
give
up?
The
idea
of
you
know
these
private
donors
being
so
generous,
but
is
there
do
we
have
any
sort
of
mechanism
where
the
maintenance
could
also
be
paid
and
maybe
managed
by
the
city?
But
you
know
like
a
I
don't
know.
They're
used
to
there
used
to
be
like
a
parks
and
recreation,
I'm
not
coming
up
with
a
word
for
it,
but
a
foundation
kind
of
to
that
could
hold
it
and
could
pay
for
projects
like
this,
and
I
don't
know
what
ever
happened
to
that
foundation.
C
But
if
we
could
give
these
generous
donors
that
kind
of
an
opportunity,
I
think
that
could
end
up
being
a
win-win.
A
B
Well,
I
just
as
far
as
a
process
path,
I
think,
in
this
situation
we
have
neighbors
who've
already
come
up
with
a
funding
source
right
and
they
they've
identified
some
solutions.
But
while
we're
working
this
out,
I
have
two
examples
that
I'm
familiar
with.
One
is
a
sculpture
garden,
and
one
was
a
community
garden
that
have,
over
the
years,
asked
about
a
similar
process
and
ran
into
brick
walls,
and
so
this
was
opportunities
for
non-profits
for
public
space
for
place
making.
B
So,
while
we're
doing
this
process,
can
we
just
outline
what
those
steps
are,
because
we
have
neighborhood
resiliency
scores
from
the
climate
justice
initiative
if
we're
addressing
those
along
with
our
food
deserts
like
there's
a
lot
of
solutions
that
we
could
get
to
if
we,
if
we
came
up
with
a
path
instead
of
a
wall,
to
get
to
some
of
our
goals-
and
I
would
just
plead
to
the
neighbors
who
are
pushing
so
hard
for
this
to
help
us
outline
that
process
too,
to
join
in
with
other
neighborhood
groups
that
have
similar
needs
to
advocate
with
them
as
well.
G
And
as
far
as
the
renaming
issue
goes,
apparently
I
have
a
mutual
acquaintance
with
the
pickens
family,
so
I
have
a
contact
information
for
you
and
this
family
member
at
least
expressed
an
interest
in
renaming
and
I'm
just
curious.
This
is
just
a
legal
question
for
some
reason.
G
When
I
saw
this
perpetual
lease,
I
thought
about
rule
against
perpetuities,
and
I'm
like
this
probably
does
not
apply
here,
because
how
favorably
or
how
favorably
do
courts,
look
upon
perpetual
leases
in
north
carolina
and
is
it
possible
to
quit,
claim
or
just
take
over
the
deed
and
in
the
conversation
that
I
had
in
the
coffee
shop
school
system,
employee
mentioned
the
possibility
of
in
the
interim
allowing
other
children
to
use
the
playground-
that's
already
there.
So
can
you
look
into
that
too?.
A
F
C
F
A
Okay,
so
I
so
we
just
sort
of
informally
nodded
our
heads
to
please
advance
this
to
a
staff
level
to
evaluate
the
proposal
that
that
and
we'll
bring
it
back
to
council
for
for
information.
A
A
Okay,
so
that
concludes
our
printed
agenda,
but
we
do
have
a
number
of
folks
signed
up
to
speak.
We
do
have
a
closed
session,
as
I
mentioned,
that
is
estimated
to
take
between
30
minutes
to
an
hour,
and
we
have
a
really
cold
dinner
and
another
room
in
this
building.
But
I
don't
I
don't
know
where
it
is
so
I'm
gonna
work
through
the
public
comment
again.
You'll
have
three
minutes
to
speak
and
I
will
and
maggie
will
keep
the
time.
The
first
person
signed
up
to
speak
is
grace.
Baron,
martinez.
AB
Good
evening,
everyone
I'd
like
to
start
by
naming.
There
are
many
folks
that
couldn't
attend
this
meeting,
which
continues
to
be
deeply
inaccessible,
particularly
for
working
people
and
in
the
face
of
an
ongoing
global
pandemic,
and
we
should
all
be
allowed
to
participate
remotely,
as
councilwoman
smith
is
permitted
to
do
tonight.
AB
I
also
really
appreciate
the
emma
community
brought
a
translator,
but
that
should
be
automatically
provided
and
included
in
the
youtube
stream
along
with
closed
captioning.
For
folks,
with
different
hearing
abilities.
Tomorrow
is
the
two-year
anniversary
of
george
floyd's.
State-Sponsored
murder,
and
a
week
from
today
will
be
two
years
since
your
police
force
gassed
peaceful
protesters
on
a
sunday
afternoon,
including
children
who
are
standing
up
to
demand
that
we
move
away
from
policing
which
is
as
violent
as
it
is
ineffective
in
solving
the
root
causes
of
our
community's
problems.
AB
You
are
gaslighting
us
by
continuing
to
say
that
you
are
reimagining
public
safety.
The
only
reimagining
you're
doing
is
ways
to
uphold
the
same
system
that
blinded
one
protester
and
fractured
a
skull
of
another
in
the
summer
of
2020.
The
same
system
that
hired
cole
pro
media
to
create
a
pr
response
to
a
critical
incident,
video
of
police,
destroying
a
medic,
tent
and
stabbing
water
bottles.
The
same
system
that
allows
mayor
mannheimer
to
sob
her
crocodile
tears
when
she's,
not
sorry,
it
happened
or
that
she
called
in
the
military
on
her
own
citizens.
AB
AB
So
I
am
here
to
reject
your
unimagined
reimagining.
This
city
is
run
by
police
and
even
you
are
afraid
of
them.
I've
watched
you
sit
here
and
get
yelled
at
by
people
who
tell
you
you've,
defunded
the
police
and
ruined
our
city.
Well,
not
a
single
cent
has
been
taken
out
of
their
budget
and
you've
just
added
1.6
million
dollars
more
along
with
your
increasingly
brutal
strategies
that
uphold
our
growing
to
uphold
the
growing
economic
inequality
in
our
town.
Thank.
A
AB
A
AK
My
name
is
kim
hughes.
I
work
for
a
a
non-profit
here
in
asheville.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak.
Thank
you
for
all
your
work.
Budgets
are
an
x-ray
of
a
government's
priorities.
The
city
of
asheville
has
chosen
to
spend
a
lot
of
money
on
criminalizing
mutual
aid
volunteers
who
fed
and
made
an
art
fair
for
the
homeless.
In
december,
the
city
of
asheville
has
charged
16
mutual
aid
volunteers
with
felonies
and
banned
them
all
from
city
parks
for
three
years
before
being
convicted
of
anything.
AK
The
city
has
spent
on
appeals
for
the
park
bands
alone,
which
have
all
been
denied
about
three
thousand
dollars
just
for
that.
What?
If
the
city
stopped
criminalizing
mutual
aid
volunteers
and
devoted
a
fraction
of
what
they've
spent
so
far
to
create
sanctuary
camping
for
the
homeless,
it
is
being
done
in
austin,
denver,
eugene
and
missoula.
AK
AK
AK
AL
I'm
I'm
exhausted.
I'm
sure
that
you
are
all
too
mayor
council
members.
Thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
speak.
AL
My
name
is
david
kelly
and
as
you've
kind
of
guessed,
I'm
here
to
advocate
for
pickleball
about
seven
years
years
ago,
while
at
the
downtown
ymca
I
wandered
into
the
old
gym
and
found
pickleball
since
then
I
have
I
play
organize,
compete
and
I've
even
been
known
to
instruct
a
little
bit.
AL
AL
The
weekend
before
last,
I
was
in
hickory
for
a
small
competitive
tournament
put
on
by
their
parks
and
rec
department.
There
was
a
cash
prize,
so
it
brought
players
from
the
charlotte
area,
but
their
largest
contingency
was
from
buncombe
county,
the
tournaments,
the
tournament
signaled,
the
opening
of
six
new
pickleball
courts
repurposed
from
two
former
tennis
courts.
The
town
has
a
total
of
13
dedicated
courts.
AL
The
oldest
were
built
five
or
six
years
ago
and
are
being
resurfaced
as
well,
not
knowing
much
about
hickory.
I
did
a
little
research
into
the
demographics
and
statistics.
The
population
is
43
000.,
the
the
demographics
breaks
down,
70
white
12,
african
american
black
12
percent
hispanic.
AL
The
median
income
is
considerably
lower
than
asheville
upon
leaving
hickory
drove
drove
on
I-40
past
morganton
population,
17
000..
It
has
two
dedicated
pickleball
courts
with
plans.
To
add
to
that
south
of
there
is
shelby
population,
20
000..
It
has
at
least
ten
courts
which
were
public
private
arrangement
closer
to
home.
AL
Weaverville
government
recently
approved
plans
to
build
three
dedicated
courts
within
a
park.
Project
woodside
is
beginning
the
process
of
including
courts
in
its
future
plans.
Haywood
county
is
using
some
of
its
american
rescue
plan.
Funds
to
build
an
ambitious
rec
center
in
waynesville
and
dedicated
courts
are
part
of
the
design.
I
believe
it's
eight
courts.
AL
AM
Hello,
so
today,
initially,
I
was
going
to
say
something
similar
to
what
grace
said,
but
instead,
as
I
was
listening
to
the
budget,
I
started
writing
notes,
and
so
this
is
what
I
came
up
with.
I
would
like
to
say
that
it
was
really
great
to
see
a
discussion
of
reparations.
That's
very
important,
thank
you
for
that
and
thank
you
kim
for
the
proposition
about
the
vacancies
and
public
safety
and
trying
to
repurpose
those
look
for
better
ways
to
handle
that
and
look
to
the
community
for
direction,
because
that
is
what
we
should
be
doing.
AM
For
example,
why
are
we
hiring
someone
to
analyze
homelessness
issues
when
we
really
honestly
know
exactly
what
needs
to
be
done,
and
you
are
just
not
willing
to
do
it?
We
need
sanctuary
camping.
We
need
support
for
the
unhoused
people
in
this
area
and
we've
seen
like
kim
mentioned
cities
that
are
doing
a
great
job.
So
why
don't
we
look
at
the
data
and
do
what
we
need
to
do
and
it
has
been
proven
moving
on
to
policing,
it
has
been
proving
that
additional
training
for
police
extra
training
does
nothing.
AM
AM
AM
AM
AM
We
could
bring
people
to
a
higher
standard
of
living
if
we
created
a
better
public
transit
department
and
if
you're
worried
about
finding
money,
why
don't
we
take
it
from
all
the
money
we
use
to
attract
hotels
to
this
area?
We
have
enough
hotels,
so
I
would
really
hope
that
you
reimagine
this
budget.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
wow
all
right,
tony
brubacher.
T
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak.
I
was
a
late
addition,
so
I
didn't
have
a
chance
to
produce
a
song.
As
I
know
is
you
know
the
trend,
the
growing
trend,
but
I
wanted
to
speak
on
behalf
of
the
pickleball
community
we'd
like
some
dedicated
pickleball
courts.
As
as
david
mentioned,
you
know,
there's
a
there's
a
lot
of
people
coming
in
I'm
a
new
addition
to
asheville.
T
I
came
a
year
ago
and
I
knew
two
families
I
I
never
played
pickleball
before
I
started
up
pickleball
and
I
got
to
know
all
these
great
people
they're
a
great
community.
They
they're,
really
welcoming
and
so
I've
I've
enjoyed
playing
it.
I
I
also
know
that
you
know
the
I
went
and
played
a
in
a
tournament
in
charlotte.
T
You
know
he
played
in
hickory
there's
there's
a
ton
of
people
that
come
together
right
come
into
the
community.
If
we
had
dedicated
pickleball
courts
could
add
to
the
sales
tax
revenues
and
then
so.
Oh
so,
I'd
like
to
entertain
a
motion
for
tbp
tbt
funding
right
for
yeah
right
right
for
for
pickleball
courts.
So
that's
it
thanks.
A
The
next
person
signed
up
to
speak
is
natalie
gray,
wait,
no
nope,
sorry
natalie's
a
jones
park
person
and
so
does
jonathan.
Oh,
we
just
got
to
the
end
of
our
oh,
my
god,
maggie,
maybe
one
day
I'll,
learn
how
to
read
these
new
sign-in
sheets,
but
we
have
reached
the
end.
Thank
you
all
pickleball.
You
once
again
have
gone
the
distance
yeah.
A
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
I'm
going
to
do:
a
roll
call
vote,
councilwoman,
mosley,
aye,
aye
and
councilwoman
turner
aye.
Vice
mayor
aye
myself,
I
councilwoman
wesler
aye
councilman
kilgore,
aye,
councilwoman
rooney.