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A
All
right
welcome
to
the
asheville
city
council
meeting
just
a
few
housekeeping
items
before
we
begin
here.
Please
mute
your
cell
phones
and
if
you
need
a
parking
sticker
because
you
parked
in
the
civic
center
deck,
please
see
the
front
table
and
get
yourself
a
parking
sticker,
and
if
you
wish
to
sign
up
to
speak
this
evening,
whether
it's
on
an
item
on
the
agenda
or
at
the
end
of
our
meeting
under
just
a
any
item,
any
topic
you
want
that
wasn't
on
the
agenda.
Please
sign
up
at
the
table.
A
You
passed
on
your
way
into
the
chamber
tonight
we're
going
to
begin
as
usual
with
the
pledge
of
allegiance
and
I'm
just
checking
to
make
sure
we
still
have
the
flag
there
tonight.
So
please
rise
for
the
pledge
of.
A
Tonight
we
actually
have
a
proclamation.
This
is
a
new
postcode
re-emergence
of
the
proclamation,
so
we're
gonna
celebrate
that
it
is
building
safety
month
and
I
think
mark
methaney,
who
is
one
of
our
other
chiefs,
but
he
is
the
chief
building
official
is
here
to
receive
this
proclamation
and
I
will
meet
you
down
there
at
the
microphone.
B
Thank
you
so
much
mayor
and
and
council
members.
We
do
this.
It
really
is
an
honor
to
be
up
here
and
and
to
hear
the
proclamation
and
all
the
items
that
are
that
are
part
of
that.
It
really
is
an
honor
to
to
take
this
with
you
with
your
support
right.
So
so
we
really
throughout
the
year.
I
know
this
is
one
month.
This
is
one
statement,
but
throughout
the
year
the
support
that
we
get
through
our
department
in
the
construction
industry
is
really
an
honor.
B
That
also
extends
off
to
energy
efficiency,
much
greater
energy
efficiency,
as
well
as
resiliency
for
individual
buildings
and
throughout
the
community,
and
I
would
just
like
to
say
we
do
have
a
couple
people
from
the
construction
industry.
We've
got
representatives
from
homebuilders
association.
We've
got
design
professionals
here
with
us
and
and
also
we've
got
some
representatives
from
the
development
services
staff.
So
thank
you
again.
Much
appreciated.
A
A
Okay,
the
next
item
on
our
agenda
is
the
consent
agenda.
Do
I
have
questions
comments
or
a
motion
to
adopt
the
consent
agenda.
C
A
D
I
have
a
question
about
item
e.
If
we
could
just
have
a
a
note
about
what
council
responsibilities
will
happen,
moving
forward.
E
E
What
we
have
tried
to
do
in
this
resolution
is
to
provide
some
clarity
in
a
situation
where
we're
lacking
it.
There
has
been
a
long-standing
history
of
changes
to
our
personnel
policies
throughout
the
city.
Some
of
those
have
been
made
at
the
council
level.
Some
of
those
have
been
made
through
the
civil
service
board
process
and
some
of
those
have
been
made
by
the
city
manager.
E
We
are
attempting
now
to
up
to
update
our
city
policies,
much
of
which
are
somewhat
drastically
out
of
date,
some
of
which
are
now
confusing,
because
there
is
a
difference
between
some
policies
that
have
been
adopted
as
part
of
a
council
resolution
from
the
early
90s
and
several
actions
that
have
been
taken
to
update
those
policies
throughout
the
years
by
the
city
managers.
E
What
we're
asking
now
is
for
an
affirmation
by
city
council
to
put
us
on
the
right
track
for
the
records
purpose
showing
which
body
is
responsible
for
what
either
the
city
council
or
the
city
manager's
office.
All
of
this
is
actually
defined
under
your
city
charter
in
multiple
provisions,
as
well
as
in
the
north
carolina
state
statutes.
We
are
not
asking
for
any
change
in
the
delegation
of
authority
that
already
exists,
but
we
are
trying
to
make
sure
that
our
record
now
reflects
going
forward.
Who
has
the
responsibility?
E
D
And
council
would
still
retain
the
authority
to
pass,
say
a
living
wage,
ordinance
or
non-discrimination,
ordinance,
correct.
E
Yeah,
thank
you
for
asking
that
question.
One
important
statute
that
I
would
call
council
and
the
public's
attention
to
is
north
carolina
general
statute,
168-164.
E
And
it
specifically
discusses
those
powers
that
are
inherent
to
city
councils.
I
would
describe
those
as
general
policy
matters
that
don't
involve
the
day-to-day
operations
of
individual
employees
and
their
personnel
actions.
Council,
for
example,
has
the
ability
to
adopt
pay
plans
through
the
budget
process,
non-discrimination,
ordinances,
which
you
have
holiday
schedules
and
living
wage
policies.
Those
are
still
within
council's
authority,
and
the
action
we're
asking
you
to
take
tonight
has
absolutely
no
effect
on
those
powers
or
authorities.
E
A
Maggie
just
to
we
don't
have
anyone
signed
up
to
speak
under
the
consent
agenda?
Okay,
do
I
I
just
turn
myself
off.
Are
there
if
there
aren't
any
other
questions?
Do
I
have
a
motion
to
adopt
the
consent
agenda.
A
We
have
a
motion
in
a
second
all,
those
in
favor
say
aye
aye,.
A
H
Good
evening
council
jessica,
morris
assistant,
director
of
the
transportation
department
we
have
for
you
this
evening,
a
proposed
right-of-way
closure,
that
is
for
an
alley
that
is
known
as
rear
clingman
alley.
It
connects
to
clingman
avenue
between
patton
and
hilliard.
H
H
This
is
an
ariel
of
the
avery
project,
boundary
proposal
and
the
orange
line
represents
the
alley
that
is
sought
to
be
closed.
A
H
Both
sides
of
the
of
the
alley
correct,
so
the
white
roof,
building
and
kind
of
in
the
middle
top
middle
is
the
patent
one,
which
was
also
completed
by
the
same
developer.
H
H
H
One
of
the
things
that's
sort
of
connected
to
this
right-of-way
closure
request
is
a
bicycle
lane
that
is
part
of
the
conditions
of
approval
for
the
avery
project.
We
discussed
this
with
the
applicant
as
something
that
we
thought
would
be
a
great
benefit
to
the
city
and
to
transportation
and
connectivity.
H
H
H
So
trc
recommended
approval
of
the
right-of-way
closure
request,
and
this
was
based
on
the
avery
project's
proposed
site
plan,
the
provision
of
the
new
bike
lane
and
additional
proposed
pedestrian
amenities
in
a
multimodal
commission.
We
took
this
the
day
after
the
project
was
initially
brought
to
council
and
in
which
case
it
was
denied
on
february
22nd.
So
the
day
after
that,
the
multimodal
commission
declined
to
make
a
recommendation
at
that
point,
and
so
after
the
applicant
returned
to
council
and
got
council
approval
for
the
project.
H
Given
the
time
constraints
we
had,
we
didn't
take
it
back
to
the
multimodal
commission
for
their
recommendation,
but
at
the
meeting
they
didn't
have
any
any
real
issues
or
concerns
with
it.
They
just
didn't
want
to
make
a
recommendation
on
something
that
the
council
had
just
denied
the
night
before.
D
A
Right
and
I
will
close
the
public
hearing
on
this
item
because
no
one
signed
up
to
speak
on
it,
any
other
questions,
comments
or
emotion.
Oh.
D
This
is
kim,
so
I
just
want
to
name
that
as
the
liaison
to
the
multimodal
transportation
commission.
I
do
hear
a
thread
of
concerns
that
we
have
right-of-ways
throughout
the
city,
and
these
are
leveraging
points
for
us
to
ensure
benefits
in
the
public
right-of-way.
So
there's
still
lingering
questions
in
general
about
the
right-of-ways
in
the
city,
responsibility
for
maintaining,
but
also
what
is
the
public
benefit
of
that
land.
D
A
A
A
A
Oh,
my
I'm
just
gonna
leave
this
on.
Thank
you
jessica.
So
the
next
item
we
have
is
a
public
hearing
to
consider
conditional
zoning
of
275
dv
road
from
rm
16,
residential
multi-family,
high
density
district
to
residential
expansion,
district
conditional
zone,
and
we
have
not
scared
off,
will
palmquist.
Yet
he
is
back
for
more
so
planner
will
palm
quiz
is
here
to
present
this
item
to
us.
J
So,
as
you
can
see
here,
the
current
zoning
of
this
property
is
rm16
multi-family,
residential
high
density
at
a
20.7
acre
site
currently
owned
by
the
asheville
housing
authority
and
due
to
the
size
of
the
proposed
project,
a
rezoning
to
residential
expansion.
Conditional
zone
is
required.
J
The
future
land
use
for
this
property
is
residential
neighborhood,
which
is
described
as
a
mix
of
residential
uses
such
as
mostly
single-family
and
a
suburban
style,
but
also
duplexes
and
some
multi-family,
and
it
is
noted
that
you
know
these.
These
areas
of
the
city
that
are
designated
residential
neighborhood
could
be
could
improve
with
the
addition
of
more
types
of
residential
uses.
J
So
this
project,
as
shown
here,
which
is
zoomed
in
on
the
southern
portion
of
the
site
and
I'll
get
some
more
detailed
views
of
both
of
those
areas,
are,
are
concentrated
at
the
northwest.
I'm
sorry
the
southwest
and
the
southeast
of
the
parcel
in
three
different
buildings
in
total
82
new
units
are
proposed
at
the
southeast
of
the
property.
J
Just
to
note
that
the
sidewalk,
the
extent
of
the
sidewalk
will
basically
be
along
the
review
road
in
front
of
each
of
the
building
areas,
but
they
will
not
connect
as
currently
proposed,
but
a
future
phase
of
the
project
would
connect
them
at
bear.
Creek
road,
the
sidewalk
would
end
at
the
proposed
driveway
location
and
other
requirements
such
as
open
space
and
tree
preservation.
J
Standards,
as
well
as
landscaping
apply
and
will
be
complied
with,
and
just
to
note,
this
project
would
be
what's
proposed
as
like
a
first
phase
of
at
least
first
of
maybe
two
or
three
phases
to
renovate
the
buildings
at
this
site.
This
first
phase
would
basically
allow
for
about
half
the
residents
at
the
apartments
to
move
into
these
two
new
buildings,
while
the
remainder
of
the
site
or
portions
thereof,
are
redeveloped.
J
So
this
is
the
site
plan
zoomed
in
on
the
southwest
corner
of
the
proposed
project
buildings
one
and
two
on
the
prior
sheet.
J
J
J
Maximum
height
is
42
feet,
eight
inches,
and
in
this
building
there
will
be
at
least
2
000
square
feet
of
community
amenity
space
provided.
J
And
then,
as
far
as
the
design
of
the
buildings,
this,
these
are
elevations
of
building
number
one
done
in
a
fairly
common
residential
style.
J
J
J
Here's
building
three
a
bit
larger.
The
top
elevation
shows
the
south
elevation,
which
is
the
view
from
diva
view
road,
and
this
is
the
north
elevation,
so
kind
of
looking
south
down
bear
creek
road
or
from
the
interior
of
the
property.
J
This
is
the
north
elevation
in
more
detail
and
then
the
west
elevation,
partial
and
perspective
views
as
well,
and
then
east
elevation
and
again
you
can
see
this
corner
element.
So
this
would
be
the
view
along
bear,
creek
road,
where
the
the
land
slopes
and
the
building
accommodates
it.
As
shown,
there
is
an
area
for
some
signage
for
the
project
located
here
and
this
overhang
corner
element
to
kind
of
anchor
the
development.
J
J
So,
as
far
as
the
review
process,
the
project's
been
on
already
it's
not
located
in
a
design
review
area.
So
it
only
had
to
go
to
the
technical
review
committee,
which
is
a
staff
level
review
which
was
approved
with
conditions
at
the
march
meeting
earlier
this
year
and
also
review
by
the
planning
and
zoning
commission,
which
unanimously
recommended
approval
of
the
project
at
its
meeting
in
april
earlier
in
april,.
J
And
then,
as
far
as
any
conditions
on
the
project,
the
project
is
seeking
two
technical
modifications
from
the
standards
in
the
unified
development
ordinance,
one
of
which
is
that
the
proposed
sidewalks
are
going
are
proposed
to
be
less
than
10
feet
in
width
and
also
that
the
total
number
of
parking
spaces
is
98,
which
is
less
than
the
required
100
minimum
per
the
number
of
bedrooms
and
residential
units.
J
A
So
can
I
know,
dave
nash,
the
director
of
the
housing
authority
is
here
hiding
behind
you
dave.
Can
you
come
well,
thank
you
and
we
will,
if
somebody
else
probably
has
more
questions
for
you,
but
that
was
excellent
dave.
Can
you
talk
to
us
a
little
bit?
I
mean
this
is
the
redevelopment
of
public
housing?
Can
you
I'd
like
you
to
talk
to
us
about
two
things?
One
is
the
current
residence
and
how
you're
going
to
manage
the
transition,
so
folks
move
from
one.
A
So
I
know
that
you're
you're
phasing
this
one
you're
trying
to
phase
this
one
so
that
folks
aren't
displaced.
That
was
one
question
and
the
second
the
30-year
minimum
affordability.
I
mean
that
kind
of
looks
like
tax
credit
requirements.
A
K
I'll
start
with
the
last
one:
yes,
the
the
plan
is
that
it
would
be
in
perpetuity
on
our
books,
eventually
it
for
the
tax
credit
purposes.
It
goes
into
the
ownership
of
an
llc
for
a
period
of
time
and
at
the
end
of
15
years,
the
housing
authority
would
have
a
right
of
first
refusal
to
purchase
back
the
interest
of
the
of
the
tax
credit
investor.
K
If
we're
able
to
model
this
on
the
maple
crest
project,
the
housing
authority
will
have
a
long-term
secondary
mortgage
that
will
essentially
fend
off
any
any
other
developers
who
might
want
to
purchase
that
asset
and
convert
it
to
some
other
use.
So
it'll
be
a
perpetual
affordability
at
a
range
of
incomes,
hopefully
up
to
80
percent
of
median.
But
right
now,
based
on
some
irs
guidance,
we
can.
A
K
As
a
condition
to
the
grant,
then
we'd
be
glad.
K
Okay,
the
the
other
question
was
plan
for
relocation.
You
know
when
we
did
maple
crest.
We
we
were
very
careful
with
the
relocation.
We
moved
about.
85
families.
K
Some
of
them
most
of
them,
moved
into
our
other
developments,
and
it
was
you
know
it
was
a
disruption
for
everybody,
some
moved
with,
with
tenant-based
vouchers,
into
the
into
private
developments
or
other
tax
credit
properties,
and
when
the
time
came
to
move
back
about
half
of
the
ones
who
could
move
back,
decided
to
move
back
because
they've
got
settled
where
they
were,
some
of
them
moved
out
of
state
and
they,
and
some
of
them
thought
that
the
new
development
was
too
big.
So
they
were
more
comfortable
staying
where
they
were.
So.
K
There
were
many
reasons
for
that,
but
but
the
fundamental
reality
was
that
they
had
to
move
twice
and
that
made
a
difference
in
terms
of
retention
of
the
residents.
So
in
this
case,
we'd
like
to
build
first
and
then
relocate
the
first
families
once
into
the
new
into
the
new
units,
then
tear
down
those
buildings
and
start
with
the
second
phase
and
the
unit
sizes
have
been
designed
to
fit
the
families
who
currently
live
in
the
first
15
buildings
of
deeper
view
apartments.
K
So
those
are
the
ones
that
are
they're
closest
to
the
new
buildings
and
that's
the
plan
and
our
hope
and
and
we'd
like
to
try
to
we'd
like
for
that
to
be
our
new
model.
If,
whenever
possible,.
F
Ask
a
question:
okay,
now,
just
to
just
sort
of
give
me
an
example.
So
basically
how
many
units
are
there
in
deep
view
presently
and.
F
K
They
they
meet
the
or
exceed
the
housing
finance
agency.
Minimum
square
footage
so
they'll
be
larger
than
the
old
units.
K
And
they
they'll,
all
all
the
units
will
be
on
a
single
level,
so
there
won't
be
any
stairs
internal
to
the
to
the
apartments.
Most
of
the
apartments
at
beaver
view
have
a
living
space
downstairs,
stairwell
going
up
and
the
bathrooms
upstairs
along
with
all
the
bedrooms,
so
the
new
development
will
make
the
unit
within
it
fully
accessible
to
everyone
and
the
whole
with
the
elevator
building
on
the
south
west
corner.
You
know
the
all
of
the
units
will
be
accessible
to
anybody
in
the
in
a
wheelchair,
but
it'll
it'll
be
a
lot
more.
K
A
lot
easier
for
the
families
to
maneuver
within
the
units.
They'll
be
more
spacious,
they'll,
be
designed
with
wide
doorways
so
that
people
with
mobility
issues
can
can
easily
access
all
all
parts
of
the
development.
F
Okay
and
one
this
one
last
question,
I
sort
of
didn't
hear
it
earlier.
I
know
you
answered
it,
but
we
were
talking
about
the
30-year.
Basically,
the
limit
on
that,
and
you
said
you
could
possibly
buy
it
back
from
the
developer.
Are
there
any
guarantees
or
any
deed
restrictions
they're
going
to
put
in
there
to
make
sure
that
is
a
possibility
or.
K
Yes,
there
is,
there
are
three
things
that
that
we
did
at
maple.
Crest
that
we
want
to
do
here.
One
is
we're:
leasing
the
land
to
the
to
the
new
llc,
we're
not
selling
it
number
two
there's
an
irs
statutory
right
of
first
refusal
for
the
developer
for
the
managing
entity.
K
To
purchase
back
the
the
the
equity
interest
of
the
tax
credit
investor
after
15
years,
and
that
will
definitely
be
in
there
and
that
will
be
in
the
name
of
the
housing
authority.
Okay
and
then
the
third
thing
is
with
secondary
financing
there.
There
is,
there
are
some
scenarios
where
it
could
be
sold,
but
with
the
secondary
financing,
if
it,
if
it
were
sold
to
it
to
an
outside
entity,
then
that
debt
to
the
housing
authority,
where
we
accumulate
the
money
and
loan
it
into
the
project
would
have
to
be
paid
off.
K
And
zoning
there's
no
deed,
like
there's
the
lease,
and
we
can
put
that
in
the
lease
I
guess
with
the
lease
of
the
land.
I
can't
remember
if
we
did
that
in.
C
Oh,
can
david?
Can
you
help
so
I
know
this
is
only
tell
me
how
many
units
we
have
right
now
and
then
you
know
with
this
whole
thing,
how
many
units
will
there
be
because.
G
C
My
impression
that
you
are
looking
to
maximize
the
density
on
this
property,
and
so
are
we
will
this
get
more
units
or
more
people,
and
and
what
are
those
numbers.
K
C
M
C
G
K
Just
understand
that
and
what
we're
saying
earlier
is
with
with
the
structured
financing
we
can.
We
can
really
tie
that
down
and
I
I
guess
I
don't
care
where
you
put
it
but
we'll,
but
we're
going
to
need
the
financing
one
way
or
another.
C
I
would
like
that
to
be
in
this
conditional
zoning,
and
so
I
know
that
one
of
the
conditions
is
is
that
the
sidewalks
aren't
going
to
be
10
feet,
so
are
they
are
some
of
them
going
to
be
10
feet?
Where
does
you
know
where's
the
sidewalk
with
right
now
and
what
what
were
the
constraints
to
not
allow
with
10
feet,
sidewalks.
K
The
constraints
are
trying
to
fit
as
many
units
as
possible
into
that
existing
undeveloped
space
with
only
tearing
down
the
office
building.
There
are
no
sidewalks
right
now.
People
walk
on
the
grass
or
on
the
street,
so
this
there's
a-
and
I
think
part
of
the
intent
was
instead
of
having
concrete
all
the
way
up
to
the
street.
We
wanted
also
to
have
an
eight-foot
planting
strip,
so
it's
13
feet
of
space,
an
eight-foot
planting
strip
and
a
five-foot
sidewalk
instead
of
a
ten-foot
sidewalk.
That
goes
straight
to
the
road.
K
C
I
E
None
that
I'm
aware
of
in
terms
of
of
your
process-
and
certainly
this
could
be
tied
to
a
future
funding
request.
I
think
that
there's
a
difference
in
the
remedy
for
those
things.
If
it's
tied
to
the
funding,
then
the
remedy
would
be
limited
to
recouping
the
funding
where
certainly
funding
can
come
from
multiple
sources.
Only
land
entitlements
can
come
from
this
body,
so
I
would
say
that
the
remedy
is
superior
for
the
city.
If
it
is
tied
to
the
zoning
request.
K
We're
doing
a
rezoning
for
the
whole
20.7
acres
we'd
like
to
include
more
mixed
income
in
the
whole
20
acre
project,
not
just
60,
of
very
medium
and
below.
So
if
there
can
be
some
flexibility
in
that
regard,
it
should
still
be
affordable
within
a
range
I
mean.
Our
range
is
80
of
area
median
income,
but
I
mean
with
this
understanding
that
there
may
need
to
be
some
flexibility
as
we
plan
out
the
future
phases.
I
A
A
About
our
ability
to
wordsmith
it
on
the
spot,
so
how
should
we.
I
When
we
see
these
conditional
rezonings,
we
we
do
get
a
condition
listed
for
the
term
of
affordability.
I
think
that's
what
you're
experiencing
up
here
we're
used
to
seeing
that.
So
this
is
a
little
different
than
what
we're
used
to
and
you
being
the
housing
authority
and
knowing
that
your
mission
is
to
provide
affordable
housing,
it
seems
like
a
simple
fix,
but
we
don't
want
to
complicate
your
nchfa
application
or
future
plans
for
home
ownership.
I
think
that's
also
something
we
value.
N
C
So
I
don't
know
brad,
if
you
you
know,
can
on
the
spot
finagle,
but
I
would
like
to
see.
I
would
like
to
see
the
the
affordability
in
perpetuity
with
in
the
aggregate,
not
in
not
every
individual
unit
to
be
60,
but
in
the
aggregate
to
be
60,
which
is,
I
think,
the
intention.
E
I
I
think
we
could
council,
member
whistler,
propose
some
language
that
would
mirror
very
similarly
to
to
the
language
that
we
use
usually
use
typically
for
affordable
housing,
land
entitlements
and
essentially
what
I'm
hearing.
I
believe-
and
I
will
ask
mr
nass
to
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong-
is
that
the
proposed
condition
would
essentially
be
that
all
of
the
units
within
the
property
would
be
maintained,
affordable
at
80
ami,
with
the
aggregate
of
all
units
being
no
more
than
60
ami
into
eternity,
basically
for
an
infinite
date.
D
I
have
some
other
questions,
so
I
was
in
the
council
chambers
when
the
residents
of
lee
walker
heights
expressed
concerns
about
the
redevelopment
of
their
neighborhood
and
the
concerns
they
expressed
around
displacement
and
forced
migration.
That
became
a
reality.
I
heard
some
of
the
same
promises
tonight
that
I
heard
then
and
some
of
the
same
realities-
and
I
appreciate
owning
those
on
things
like
folks,
not
wanting
to
move
their
families
twice
right
so,
and
I
get
the
phasing
to
address
some
of
that.
D
I
I
it
still
feels
like
an
incredible
missed
opportunity
to
build
a
whole
neighborhood
with
all
the
amenities
that
are
needed.
That
could
have
been
possible
with
more
collaboration
benefits
like
minority
women,
owned
business,
contracting
renewable
energy,
environmental
impacts
like
community
garden
infrastructure-
and
I
could
probably
imagine,
having
more
support
for
this
and
for
these
neighbors.
If
it
looked
like
there
was
an
intention
to
transfer
ownership.
K
O
I
think
what
kim
is
also
saying
and
when
there
was
a
failed
or
missed
opportunity
to
collaborate,
we
kind
of
missed
the
purpose-built
elements.
But
in
conversations
with
you,
personal
conversations,
you
said
that
you
would
like
to
maintain
some
of
those
pillars.
So
could
you
express
how
you're
going
to
try
to
maintain
that.
K
Well,
that's
one
reason
why
I'm
struggling
a
little
bit
with
this
sort
of
rigid
affordability
across
the
entire
property,
because
you
know
if,
if
we
and
we're
open
to
working
with
the
city
or
oh
I'm
open
to
working
with
the
city,
I
need
to
get
my
board
support
and
and
whatever
developer
the
city
selects
for
the
ford
street
property
to
see
how
that
could
be
done.
P
K
Market
rate
residents,
who
you
know,
pay
a
standard
rent,
so
I
don't
I,
I
think,
from
the
housing
authority's
perspective
and
our
mission,
you
know,
limiting
the
income
levels
on
our
property
to
80
percent
is
is
perfectly
reasonable,
but
it's
probably
not
consistent
with
not
strictly
consistent
with
purpose-built
with
their
model,
and
I'm
again,
I'm
happy
to
to
agree
to
it
in
some
form,
but
I
think
trying
to
negotiate
it
on
the
spot
is
a
little
bit
difficult.
I
K
The
the
full
application
is
due
to
nchfa
on
may
13th,
so
we
need
right.
Zoning
approval
funding
approval
of
all
local
gaap
funds
by
that
date
by
a
few
days
before
that,
so
that
we
can
actually
finalize
the
application
and
submit
it
in
a
timely
manner.
I
So
the
funding
request
will
come
to
us
may
10th
our
next
meeting.
What
is
what
would
be
less
stressful
for
you
for
us
to
try
and
do
this
on
the
fly
or
for
us
to
come
back
at
the
may
10th
with
language,
for
both
the
zoning
and
deal
with
the
funding,
then.
I
I
K
K
I
K
I
don't
know
I
I
would
my
preference
would
be
if,
if,
if
you
really
want
to
have
some
language
in
the
zoning
that
says,
affordability
at
a
certain
level
in
perpetuity
that
that
we
have
you
bring
that
back
on
the
10th
for
for
final
approval,
so
that
we
can
work
out
that
language
and
talk.
A
A
Are
we
officially
continuing
it
to?
Is
it
new
business.
Q
K
K
Okay,
we're
going
to
continue
the
public
hearing.
Excuse
me
for
asking
questions,
but
or
just
continue
the
vote
on
the
final.
A
A
C
A
A
This
was
a
big
one,
so
it
was
kind
of
a
good
chance
to
discuss
it
first
before
we
actually
vote
on
it,
and
will
you
did
a
great
job
so
we'll
see
you
back
on
may
10th.
A
The
next
hearing
public
hearing
item
c
has
been
withdrawn
permanently,
so
we
don't
have
any
action
to
take
on
that
item
again
if
anybody
knew
joined
us
since
we
started.
If
you
do
want
to
speak
at
the
end
of
the
meeting
or
under
one
of
these
items,
a
new
business,
please
sign
up
at
the
front
desk.
A
The
next
item
is
we're
moving
to
our
new
business
agenda,
an
ordinance
adopting
the
fiscal
year,
2022
2023
fees
and
charges
manual,
and
I
have
here
that
it's
either
tony
or
taylor.
It's
taylor,
all
right,
so
taylor
floyd
will
be
presenting
this
item.
M
M
All
right
good
evening,
mayor
and
council
back
again
to
talk
a
little
more
budget
here
today,
I'm
going
to
go
over
the
proposed
views
and
charges
overview
of
our
presentation
here,
we'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
water
rate
adjustment,
the
storm
water
utility
fee,
solid
waste
fee
and
then
some
other
smaller
changes
that
are
proposed.
M
So
you're,
probably
tired
of
seeing
this
slide
today,
but
one
more
time
we're
here
on
the
26th
at
the
adopting
fees
and
charges
again.
The
next
time
you
all
will
see
us
to
talk
about
budget
will
be
the
manager's
proposed
budget
on
may
24th.
M
Just
as
a
reminder,
the
fees
and
charges
most
of
the
fees
and
charges
were
recommended
by
the
finance
and
human
resources
committee
at
their
march
22nd
meeting
on
a
3-0
vote
that
included
the
water,
storm
water
and
solid
waste
fees,
as
well
as
the
again
several
other
minor
changes,
changes
to
event,
application
and
pack
square
park.
Rental
fees
were
recommended
with
a
two
to
one
vote
of
the
committee.
M
We
tried
to
minimize
the
burden
on
customers
by
spreading
that
recovery
across
several
fiscal
years
and
we're
recommending
an
increase
to
both
the
volumetric
charges,
as
well
as
the
base
charges
for
most
customers,
and
that
is
a
very
long
list
of
things.
So
that
is
why
there
is
not
a
slide,
but
it
is
in
the
staff
report.
M
On
the
storm
water,
our
storm
water
system
has
significant
maintenance
and
capacity
needs.
We
have
not
increased
that
fee
since
fiscal
year
1920
and
the
additional
funding
generated
from
this
revenue
is
needed
to
address
existing
needs,
meet
service,
delivery
expectations
and
achieve
our
stated
goals.
M
Moving
on
to
sanitation,
we
have
not
invested
in
this
core
service
in
several
years.
The
last
time
a
fee
increase
was
approved
was
fy
17.,
we're
really
struggling
currently
to
maintain
just
our
existing
service
level.
Without
some
additional
resources,
the
staff
is
recommending
a
two
dollar
per
month
increase
to
the
solid
waste
fee.
M
So
again,
those
three
of
these,
the
all
the
fee
changes
that
we're
proposing
are
the
ones
that
impact
the
the
most
of
our
residents
or
our
community
here
in
the
city
of
asheville.
So
we
wanted
to
give
you
a
sense
of
what
that
would
look
like
on
the
bi-monthly
utility
bill
that
goes
out
to
property
owners
or
residents.
It's
a
10.45
increase
on
that
bi-monthly
bill
and
then
a
for
a
62.70
increase.
M
Overall
and
again,
that's
making
an
assumption
on
what
we
we
think
is
the
the
average
or
user
in
the
in
the
city.
C
Just
to
clarify
just
so
that
people
understand
that
they
water
when
they
get
their
bill,
they
get
both
water
and
sewerage.
So,
according
to
what
msd
does
with
fees
in
the
coming
year,
the
potential
is
bigger
than
that
for
just
because
I'm
not
sure
people
fully
get
that
they
pay
two
different
fees
on
the
same
bill.
A
M
Yeah
yeah,
so
yes,
any
increase
that
msd
approves
will
will
be
reflected
on
that
bill
and
is.
B
M
In
in
that,
10.45
increase
for
the
average
user.
D
I
have
a
question:
it
looks
to
me
as
when
we're
looking
at
single-family,
residential
and
multi-family
residential
versus
commercial
and
manufacture,
I'm
just
I'm
curious.
Why
we're
raising
the
rates
more
for
for
residents.
D
Yes,
yeah
okay,
volumetric
charge
per
ccf.
R
A
So
I
thought
part
of
this
was
a
recovery
of
of
you
know
having
to
figure
out
how
to
manage
that
loss
and
restructure
it
and
our
rate
actually
dropped
and
we're
now
kind
of
bringing
it
back
up.
So
it's
I
don't
know
that
we
have
right
now
and
for
that
particular
in
the
weeds
information
to
show
folks,
but
it
might
be
helpful
to
see
the
context
of
the
history
of
the
water
rate.
D
It
does
I'm
still
concerned
that,
if
we're
looking
to
cover
a
gap,
why
why
it
appears
that
we're
sharing
the
burden
with
when
I
don't
know
how
we
justify
increasing
water
rates
on
residents
right
now,.
I
D
Oh
I'm,
looking
at
the
I'm
looking
at
the
the
reports
on
this,
they
are
all
going
up.
It's
just
that
residential
is
going
up
more
than
commercial.
D
The
way
that
I'm
reading
it
unless
I'm
reading
it
differently,
which
is
why
I
asked
to
clarify
why
residential
would
go
up.
It
says
current
fee
is
447
proposed
fee
and
then
the
change,
and
so
the
change
is
30
cents
for
single
family
residential
for
a
thousand
ccf
monthly
for
multi-family
residential,
it's
16
compared
to
30..
So
if
I'm
reading
the
changes
wrong,
then
I'm
happy
to
gain
some
more
understanding
around
that,
but
manufacturer
rates
are
lower
than
residential
at
every
level.
R
D
Does
make
sense
and
we
have
a
lot
of
industry
that
uses
a
lot
of
our
delicious
water
resources
both
for
exporting
as
a
manufactured
good
and
also
for
cleaning
and
doing
laundry
for
our
tourism
industry.
And
so
that's
why
I'm
surprised
that
we're
not
putting
the
burden
more
on
our
commercial
use.
A
M
M
A
Because
we
dropped
out
the
capital
correct,
so
you
know
to
the
actual
rate
payer
I
get
you
know
I
I
know
we
did
have
this
information
because
I
saw
a
chart
that
showed
our
dr
our
whole
overall
rate
dropping
and
we're
actually
just
sort
of
recovering
it
and
then
a
bit
more.
So
it
would
be
helpful
to
have
that
information.
M
We
could
certainly
provide
that
not
at
on
the
fly.
Unfortunately,.
M
We
have
a
variety
of
recommended
changes,
event,
application
and
facility
usage,
including
pec
square
park.
Some
development
related
changes,
including
to
some
of
our
storm
water,
development
fees,
noise,
ordnance
enforcement,
traffic
control,
some
right-of-way
closure
adjustments,
adding
a
few
opportunities
to
charge
hourly
or
flat
rates
in
parking
lots
where
those
those
aren't
currently
don't
currently
exist,
and
then
a
some
fees
for
daily
use
of
meter
parking.
So
that's
like,
if
you're
closing
a
metered
space
for
an
an
entire
day
or
longer.
M
One
other
thing
I
did
want
to
mention
is:
we
did
have
a
few
changes
since
it
went
to
the
committee
one
is
we
had
some
water
system,
development
fees
that
were
included?
Initially,
we
had
to
take
those
out
primarily
because
they
have
some
statutorily
required
steps
that
we
have
to
go
through
so
that
they
didn't
really
align
with
the
timeline
for
the
rest
of
our
fees.
M
We
also
removed
some
fee
changes
that
were
proposed
to
homestay
permits,
and
that's
really
due
to
a
recent
court
decision
out
of
wilmington,
that
if
you
have
any
questions,
I'll,
probably
direct
to
the
city
attorney
and
we
we
also
added
some
changes
to
parks
and
recreation
facility.
Rentals.
Those
are
primarily
a
reduction
in
fees
to
make
it
a
little
more
affordable
to
rent
community
spaces
and
then
a
small
addition
for
gym
floor
covering
and
extending
rental
hours.
So
very
minor
changes
there.
M
So,
in
summary,
any
additional
revenues
from
adopted
fee
changes.
We
will
incorporate
into
the
proposed
budget
that
again
will
the
manager
will
present
on
may
24th
and
those
changes
will
be
effective
july.
1St
2022.
C
Taylor,
since
you
didn't
we,
we
did
not
have
a
unanimous
decision
at
the
finance
committee
meeting
on
the
one
particular
fee.
Can
you
give
us
just
a
little
bit
more
depth
on
that
fee
like
when
the
last
time
was
we
increased
it,
etc,
etc?
Because
I
think
that
it
might
give
a
little
bit
more.
B
S
C
On
the,
I
think
it
was
the
downtown
event
fees
that
did
not
that
we
didn't
get
unanimity
at
the
finance
and
hr
committee
meeting.
Can
you
just
go
into
a
little
bit
more
depth
as
to
what
those
fees
were?
Since
you
know
it
wasn't
sure
across
the
board
sure.
S
So
the
reason
that
our
office
is
proposing
a
fee
increase
for
pac
square
park
is
that
we're
recommending
to
move
all
special
event
fees
for
public
space
under
our
new
department.
S
Prior
to
that
parks
and
recreation,
was
the
department
responsible
for
setting
the
fees
for
parks
and-
and
I
was
part
of
that
department
at
the
time
that
that
fee
for
pack
square
park
was
originally
established
back
in
2007.,
and
so
in
being
that
this
is
our
first
year
to
have
the
opportunity
to
recommend
an
increase.
S
We
did
some
research
with
comparable
cities
and
found
that
the
pax
square
park
property
was
was
underpriced
as
far
as
our
our
comparables,
and
so
that's
why
we
recommended
the
fee
at
this
time
rather
than
a
previous
year,
as
this
is
our
first
opportunity
to
do
that.
S
I
also
wanted
to
point
out
that,
while
these
increases
are
ranging
from
in
rates
that
exceed
100
percent,
in
some
cases,
council
adopted
a
75
discount
to
all
nonprofit
organizations
on
city
fees,
for
property
use
and
permitting
earlier
this
year,
and
that
was
a
part
of
a
program
previously.
S
That
is
not
currently
being
the
75
discount
was
part
of
a
program
that
we
don't
currently
have,
in
effect,
so
by
adding
that
75
to
fees
and
charges,
it
makes
it
a
standard
fee
that
can
be
applied
until
it's
removed,
and
that
makes
the
increase
in
facility
use
fees
fairly
palatable
for
most
of
the
users
of
the
park.
S
Roger
mcguire,
green
for
non-profit
would
see
an
increase
of
75
dollars
for
the
first
three
hours
and
25
dollars
each
additional
hour
and
the
other
sections
of
the
park,
the
terrace
and
the
square
would
see
an
increase
in
25
dollars
for
three
hours
and
six
dollars
and
25
cents
each
additional
hour
for
for
the
non-profit
organizations
that
use
it.
Currently,
those
rates
are
25
for
the
first
three
hours
as
a
standard
rate.
S
So
then
most
people
renting
the
square
and
the
terrace
are
paying
six
dollars
and
some
cents
per
hour
for
that
use
as
a
non-profit,
and
so
that
does
double
their
fees,
but
it
it
only
really
brings
that
up
to
about
12
or
13
dollars
per
hour
for
those
spaces,
and
it
only
brings
the
park.
The
roger
mcguire
green
section
to
50
per
hour
instead
of
25
per
hour.
C
And
thank
you
for
that,
and
also
I
I
don't
know
when
you
gave
this
presentation
but
or
someone
gave
this
presentation
a
couple
years
ago,
talking
about
how
how
popular
our
parks
are
and
you
know
be
cut,
and-
and
you
know
we
we
really.
C
We
want
people
to
use
the
parks,
but
maybe
we
want
a
little
bit
more
used
by
just
people
kind
of
walking
through
and
you
just
a
little
bit
less
formal
use
of
the
parks
and
more
and
and
so
that
it's
they're
more
available
to
our
residents
just
on
a
daily
basis,
and
I
thought
one
of
the
reasons
one
of
the
thinking
part
of
the
thinking
around
raising
these
fees
is.
We
don't
want
this
to
be
like
the
absolute
cheapest
opportunity
for
anybody
within
50
miles
and
that's
some
of
your.
S
That's
that's
correct.
Fee
increases
are
a
common
demand
management
strategy
and
that's
why
we're
proposing
those
fees.
I
I
was
the
lone
vote
when
we're
talking
about
event,
fees
and
I'll
share
that
I
that
comes
from
a
position
of
having
heard
from
the
nonprofits
in
downtown
and
much
like.
We
froze
some
initiatives
during
the
pandemic
and
said
you
know
like
parking.
For
example,
you
know
this
just
isn't
the
time
I
was
it's
a
similar
sentiment
as
the
events
come
back
and
then,
if
you
were,
you
know
paying
attention
to
the
news
and
stuff
you
saw
like
the
the
city
market
downtown,
face
some
other
issues
and
then
the
what
was
it.
I
Last
week,
the
hemp
fest
faced
some
other
issues.
So
what
we're
seeing
here
is
that
it's
just
a
challenge
to
get
the
events
back
online.
It's
a
staffing
thing.
It's
an
apd
resource
thing.
It's
a
ballard's
thing.
It's
a
bike,
racks
thing,
it's
all
over
the
place,
so
this
was
just
one
more
layer
that
hurt
so
I
wanted
to
speak
up
for
them,
but
I
understand
that
I
may
be
the
only
one
concerned.
S
A
Any
other
questions.
Thank
you.
Okay.
I
found
the
water
information
thanks
to
sage,
so
it
looks
like
the
the
bi-monthly
charge.
A
A
Is
the
way
I
I
calculate
over
where
we
were
but
where
we
once
were
where
we
once
were
with
the
capital
fee.
So
I
mean
that's
a
little
bit
hard
to
explain
to
folks
because
they're
going
to
get
an
increase
in
their
and
they're
going
to
get
somewhat
of
an
increase
in
their
water
bill,
but
they
they
got
a
curie
so
yeah.
So
that's
that's
a
little
bit
challenging.
I
And
I
do
want
to
correlate
you
know:
fees
and
water,
work
and
north
fork
dam
and
all
these
things
and
how
we
don't
have
any
brown
water
calls
anymore.
If
you
remember
wasn't
that
long
ago
that
we
were
really
struggling
with
that.
So
what
you're
seeing
is
us,
I'm
sorry
knock
on
wood,
everybody?
No,
but
but
I'm
just
reminding
us
of
the
crisis.
We
were
in
right,
and
this
is
somewhat.
A
Well,
we've
finished,
you
know
the
massive
project
with
the
north
fork
dam
and
a
lot
of
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
water
line
work
to
do,
but
that
was
significant.
The
cost
was
something
like
50
million
dollars,
so
so
we've
done
a
lot
of
improvement
to
the
water
system
and
yeah,
and
then
you
know.
M
And
I
will
say
are
are
planning
some
additional
improvements
with
the
advanced
metering
project.
You
know
that's
going
to
be
a
really
large
project,
basically
touching
every
single
meter
in
the
city
and
will
probably
take
some
time
to
complete,
but
once
that's
done,
I
think
that
will
also
provide
some
really
significant
benefits
both
to
customers
and
operationally.
As
david
discussed.
I
think
that
was
at
the
budget
retreat.
A
I
Pulling
it
up,
I'm
happy
to
okay,
a
motion
to
approve
an
ordinance
amending
the
fees
and
charges
manual
for
the
fiscal
year.
2022
2023.
A
A
All
right,
the
next
item
under
new
business
is
a
resolution
to
approve
the
city
of
asheville,
2022
legislative
short
session
agenda
and
direction
of
city
attorney
to
provide
this
to
our
local
delegation,
and
this
is
a
this-
is
the
annually
mass
exodus
all
right?
Thank
you,
peace
and
charges.
Folks,
this
is
the
city
council's
legislative
legislation
agenda.
A
If
you
will
kind
of
our
request
list
to
the
legislature
of
legislation
that
we
would
like
to
see
passed
that
supports
our
city,
specifically
and-
and
sometimes
some
of
this
legislation
affects
lots
of
other
cities.
I
do
have,
and
brad
can
go
through
each
item
here
in
just
a
minute.
I
do
have
a
request
from
councilwoman
kilgore
to
consider
one
of
the
items
separately
so
that
that
may
possib
be
a
possibility.
Well,
that
is
a
possibility
to
to
do
that.
A
We
were
planning
on
voting
on
it
all
as
one
slate,
but
we
can
pull
an
item
out
that
just
sort
of
like
we
do
our
consent
agenda,
so
brad
take
it
away
in
terms
of
talking
about
these
items.
Thank.
E
You
mayor
and
good
evening
to
all
of
the
council.
As
you
said
mayor,
this
is
our
chance
as
we
approach
the
upcoming
short
session
of
the
north
carolina
general
assembly
to
essentially
provide
to
our
local
delegation
those
items
of
legislative
wish
list
material
that
we
would
like
for
them
to
either
support
or
those
items
which
we
would
request.
Opposition
to.
E
Generally
speaking,
the
city
council
has
not
always
adopted
this,
but
we
have
and
prior
to
the
previous
long
session,
some
of
the
items
that
are
on
the
short
session
proposed
legislative
agenda
are
holdovers
that
were
approved
by
the
council
during
the
long
session
legislative
agenda,
which
have
not
reached
a
full
conclusion,
so
they
remain
on
the
list
today.
The
upcoming
short
short
session
is
supposed
to
begin
taking
effect
on
may
18th.
E
So
this
will
be
our
last
opportunity
to
provide
input
prior
to
a
may
9
deadline
for
any
specific
sort
of
local
legislation.
That
we'd,
like,
after
speaking
with
council
and
providing
information
and
getting
feedback
from
the
governance
committee.
We've
put
together
a
proposed
seven
items
on
the
legislative
agenda
and
I'm
going
to
briefly
go
over
those
quickly
with
council
now
and
I'll.
Do
it
by
number
so
that
if
any
individual
member
of
council
would
like
to
have
an
item
pulled
off,
they
can
refer
to
it
by
that
number
number.
E
The
second
item
on
the
agenda
on
the
proposed
agenda,
I
should
say,
is
a
request
to
oppose
legislation
that
would
place
any
limits
reasonable
on
reasonable
regulation
locally
for
short-term
rental
use
of
residential
property.
We
have
seen
a
few
of
those
bills
in
the
past
session
and,
as
rents
continue
to
rise
at
an
all-time
high.
We
believe
this
is
absolutely
necessary
for
local
governments
to
maintain
some
ability
to
regulate
those
effects.
Locally.
Item
number
three
is
a
request
to
support
state
and
local
reparations
efforts.
E
As
council
may
remember,
on
july,
14th
of
2020,
this
council
passed
a
resolution
in
support
of
reparations
and
a
request
was
included
in
that
for
both
state
and
federal
cooperative
efforts.
So
we
have
asked,
as
part
of
this
legislative
agenda
for
state
level,
support
either
through
legislation
or
funding
efforts.
E
Item
number
four
is
a
request
to
support
new
legislation
and
specific
state-level
funding
to
encourage
and
support
the
development
of
affordable
housing,
as
have
most
municipalities
been
utilizing
their
arpa
funds.
The
state
has
also
received
arpa
funds.
That
is
one,
but
not
the
only
potential
funding
source
which
could
be
applied
to
this
particular
item.
So
we'd
request
that
the
state
give
consideration
to
its
arpa
funding
to
address
this
increasingly
important
problem.
E
Item
number
five
on
the
proposed
agenda
would
be
a
request
to
give
authority
to
local
governments
to
conduct
a
referendum
for
a
one-quarter
cent
sales
tax
specific
to
transit,
as
I
think
has
already
been
mentioned
in
our
previous
budget
work
session,
the
county
of
buncombe,
as
does
many
counties,
already,
have
the
ability
to
impose
such
a
referendum
to
determine
whether
or
not
this
tax
would
be
levied.
This
is
the
extremely
common
and
most
common
way
that
transit
systems
are
funded
throughout
the
state.
E
We
would
ask
that
the
state
give
consideration
to
providing
some
additional
funding
in
order
to
effectuate
that,
finally,.
E
The
final
item
on
the
agenda
would
be
a
request
to
give
authority
to
conduct
electronic
or
virtual
meetings.
This
is
something
that
has
never
been
specifically
provided
to
north
carolina,
local
governments
until
the
pandemic
and
during
the
state
of
emergency.
The
legislature
did
allow
for
cities
to
conduct
virtual
meetings.
Only
during
the
state
declared
state
of
emergency.
E
We
would
request
that
that
authority
be
given
permanently
to
municipalities
so
that
local
decisions
could
be
made
about
when
those
circumstances
would
arise
where
it
would
be
beneficial
for
the
body
or
the
community
as
a
whole
to
have
such
a
virtual
meeting.
That
is
the
totality
of
our
proposed
agenda.
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
about
any
individual
items
that
you
have.
F
Well,
I
would
like
to
request
that
item
five
be
removed
from
the
the.
F
I
feel
that
basically
buncombe
county
already
has
the
referendum
to
do
it.
I
think
that
to
put
that
burden
on
justice
city
of
asheville
municipality,
I
think
we
really
should
look
at
alternative
measures
for
this
particular
cost
or
expense.
Thank
you.
D
And
on
that
one
on
that
note,
we
didn't
add
language
about
this,
but
we
could,
instead
of
property
taxes
being
the
go-to
for
funding
transit
sales.
Taxes
can
capture
revenue
from
our
visitors
and
we
can
exclude
groceries
gas
and
prescription
medication.
D
F
T
E
That
is
correct.
The
way
that
the
county
specific
statute
is
written
is
that
it
gives
the
governing
body
the
ability
to
place
a
referendum
on
the
ballot
for
whether
or
not
to
levy
the
sales
tax.
A
There's
very
few
things
in
north
carolina
that
you
can
hold
a
referendum
on
and
not
every
county,
I
believe,
can
even
have
a
referendum
on
it
on
a
sales
tax
for
transit.
D
I
have
a
curiosity
around
this
because
I
hadn't
considered
it
yet
is
that
if
we
got
permission
to
do
it
specifically
within
the
city
limits,
could
we
then
put
it
on
a
ballot
or
does
it.
D
A
F
And
I
was
thinking-
and
I
actually
was
thinking
that-
because
we
do
need
to
expand
transit
to
buncombe
county,
to
make
it
effective,
because
it's
just
not
really
effective
locally
and
since
buncombe
county
already
have
this
right
to
do
this,
I
think
we
could
probably,
if,
if
anyone's
going
to
be
paying
this
type
of
tax,
I
think
we
could
do
a
lot
better
with
it's
the
taxes
charge
for
to
all
buncombe
county,
as
opposed
to
asheville,
just
bearing
a
burden
for
this
transit
system
locally.
A
What
we
can
do
is
we
can
just
vote
on
the
rest
of
the
slate
without
that
item
and
vote
on
that
item
separately.
If
that
would
help,
and
so.
I
A
No
they're
watching
right
now,
yeah.
Well,
look.
We
have
incrementally
ticked
away
at
some
of
our
ass,
for
example,
an
elected
school
board
did
happen
this
last
session.
So
but
it
is,
I
think,
you
point
out.
You
make
a
good
point.
The
the
legislature,
this
session
is
voicing
very
loudly
that
they
plan
to
meet
for
20
days
and
so
they're
not
going
to
do
too
much
work,
and
but
we
do
have
one
item
that
is
pending
in
addition
to
the
sales
tax
item.
A
We
do
have
an
item
pending
in
the
legislature
right
now,
which
is
the
well
we
I
say
we
it's
the
tourism
development
authorities
enabling
legislation
to
be
amended
to
change
the
percentage
from
25
to
33
of
the
room.
Tax
funds,
which
is
now
projected
33,
is
projected
to
be
about
13
million
to
be
able
to
be
used
not
just
for
capital
but
for
other
other
uses,
provide
more
flexibility
with
that
spending.
But
you'll
notice
that
our
ask
talks
about
50
percent
because,
as
a
committee,
the
governance
committee
discussed.
A
We
we
feel
like
at
that
point,
given
how
much
money
the
room
taxes
projected
to
be
this
year,
which
is
40
million
dollars
that
that
that
is
more
than
enough
money
for
the
tourism
development
authority
to
use
for
marketing
and
tourism,
and
we
would
like
to
see
at
least
half
of
that
money
used
on
projects
that
serve
the
whole
community.
So
we
have
that
ask
in
here.
D
And
to
add
to
that
we're
so
far
behind
in
our
infrastructure
needs,
and
I
would
just
remind
folks
that
the
members
of
the
tda
are
our
neighbors
and
they
see
those
infrastructure
deficits
as
well.
So
I
would
appeal
to
not
just
have
council
support
for
a
50
split,
but
among
our
partners
that
could
help
to
advance
this
decision.
A
Okay,
so
why
don't
do
I
have
a
motion
to
adopt
the
legislative
agenda
without
the
sales
tax
item
so
moved?
Okay,
do
I
have
a
second
second?
Okay?
Now
I
don't
have
anyone
signed
up
to
speak
under
this
item,
so
I'm
gonna
move
to
a
vote,
all
those
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
aye
aye
any
opposed,
okay
and
then
do.
I
have
a
motion
to
adopt
specifically
the
sales
tax
for
transit
item.
E
Mayor
would
that
include
councilwoman
roney's
edition
regarding
the
exclusion
of
the
grocery
association.
A
A
Okay,
we
have
adopted
the
legislative
agenda
and
finally,
under
new
business
we
have
a
resolution
amending
the
assignment
of
the
real
estate
contracts
for
property
on
148
150,
riverford
parkway
to
shangri-la
industries
inc
by
waiving
the
reimbursement
of
79
500
in
due
diligence
costs
for
the
purposes
of
creating
permanent
supportive
housing
and
nikki.
Reed
is
here
great
talk
to
us
about
it.
Thank
you.
L
So
last
year
the
city
had
entered
into
a
contract
to
purchase
the
real
estate
mission
there
at
the
time,
and
we
were
under
contract
the
city
expended
funds,
including
some
due
diligence
fees
that
include
the
appraisal
phase.
One
survey
as
well
as
option
fees
to
the
seller.
Those
were
costs
incurred
as
part
of
our
our
real
estate
process
on
december
14th.
The
decision
was
made
that,
rather
than
the
city
pursue
that
real
estate
transaction
and
actually
purchase
the
real
estate.
Instead,
the
city
opted
to
assign
its
real
estate
contract
to
shangri-la
and
shangri-la's.
L
Explicit
purpose
was
to
redevelop
the
property
in
partnership
with
step
up
for
a
hundred
plus
units
of
permanent
supportive
housing.
Now,
in
that
real
estate
assignment,
we
negotiated
a
reimbursement
of
costs,
so
a
reimbursement
of
those
initial
due
diligence
costs
that
was
included
in
that
assignment
as
part
of
that
transaction.
L
So
that
was
where
we
have
been
where
we
are
currently
is.
We
had
hoped
to
see
that
closing
happen
on
march
31st,
but
instead
we've
been
working
in
partnership
with
shangri-la
the
seller
and
with
step-up
to
really
oversee
this
transaction,
because
we
have
such
a
vested
interest
in
seeing
this
permanent
supportive
housing
in
our
community.
But
we
have
learned
that
a
full
environmental
assessment
is
needed.
This
is
often
called
a
nepa.
L
We
look
to
do
a
categorical
exclusion,
but
instead
we
received
guidance
from
hud
that
a
full
environmental
assessment
was
needed,
and
so
that
information
came
in
march
as
we
were
looking
to
close,
and
so
with
that
a
delay
in
the
timeline
was
noted
just
really
to
respond
to
the
need
to
provide
hud
with
a
full
environmental
assessment.
L
So
that
being
the
case,
the
buyer
and
seller
were
negotiating
on
what
that
real
estate
extension
would
look
like
that,
ultimately
translated
into
more
costs
for
the
buyer
shangri-la.
So
and
that
being
the
case,
they
have
come
to
the
city
seeking
the
ability
to
waive
those
reimbursement
costs
as
a
way
to
assuage
some
of
those
additional
fees
that
are
incurred
because
of
the
real
estate
delay.
L
So
with
that
staff
wanted
to
present
this
tonight
as
an
option
for
council
to
consider
to
waive
those
reimbursement
costs
as
a
way
to
continually
support
this
project
to
achieve
the
permanent
supportive
units.
So
with
that
I'll
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions,
otherwise
turn
it
over
to
mayor
this.
D
L
I'm
hearing
correctly,
the
initial
reimbursement
costs
were
paid
for
out
of
the
affordable
housing,
cip
funds,
and
so
we
were
expecting
to
get
reimbursed
in
that
in
that
line
item.
So.
D
U
C
Nikki,
do
you
see
any
others?
I
mean
this
is
a
pretty
big
stumbling
block.
I
get
it,
but
do
you
see
any
other
stumbling
blocks
for
this
deal
to
go
through
and
you
know,
are
they
going
to
be
able
to
deal
with
the
additional
potential
200
to
the.
C
L
Every
all
the
feedback
that
we're
getting
from
shangri-la
is
that
they
are
very
committed
to
seeing
this
through,
and
so
the
good
news,
too,
is
that,
because
we
had
already
performed
some
of
the
environmental
work
when
we
were
pursuing
the
categorical
exclusion,
it
seems
as
if
the
environmental
assessment
is
going
to
come
back
without
any
issues.
So
we
are
working
on
that
assumption
that
the
environmental
assessment
will
be
successful
and
that
hud
will
approve
it.
It's
really
just
a
matter
of
this
timing
and
how
long
it's
actually
taking
to
get
it
through.
I
I
just
want
to
voice
one
concern
and
that
is
to
look
back
on
what
it
was
the
community
was
concerned
about
when
we
were
voting
on
this
and
one
of
the
concerns
that
was
frequently
in
my
inbox
was
what
happens
if
shangri-la
or
this
buyer
whomever
it
may
be,
comes
back
for
additional
monies
because
they
can't
do
what
they're
saying
they're
doing,
and
here
we
are.
We
haven't
even
closed
and
they're
asking
for
money.
It's
a
little
alarming,
because
these
processes
should
be
known
by
experienced
developers.
I
A
Well,
you
know
one
of
the
things
maybe
you're
not
explaining
to
us
is
in
the
context
of
a
commercial
real
estate
deal
I
thought
in
in
within
an
assignment
that
these
sort
of
costs
would
have
been
maybe
taken
care
of
and
assigned.
I
I'm
not
really
sure
tell
us
why
this
would
be
an
appropriate
ask
in
this
context,
so.
L
When
we
pursued
the
acquisition
of
the
ramada
in
the
first
place,
these
were
sunk
costs,
so
we
were
not
expecting
to
receive
these
back
at
all.
So
I
think
the
fact
that
we
were
able
to
negotiate
that
initially
was
a
good
thing,
but
I
think
where
we
are
now,
the
ability
to
wave
is
just
another
signal
of
partnership
with
this
organization
because
of
the
need
to
have
permanent
supportive
units
in
the
community.
I
I
I
don't
know
if
they're
gonna
be
able
to
get
anything
done
in
normal
time,
but
so
the
what
I'm
reading
here
is
that
the
extension
means
that
the
seller
of
the
hotel
is
going
to
charge
a
per
rate
fee
to
the
buyer,
because
they
can
no
longer
host
hotel
visitors
to
me,
that's
just
a
buy
or
seller
issue,
I'm
not
unsympathetic,
because
we
do
want
this
permanent,
supportive
housing
in
our
community.
L
T
F
Because
we're
not
getting
it
at
all,
well
any
commercial
deal
I
mean
which
nikki
knows
there
are
so
many
unknowns
and-
and
this
was
something
that
they
did
not
expect
and
and
unfortunately,
commercial
extensions
or
sometimes
contracts
go
for
years.
So
this
is
not
unusual.
I
F
F
A
I
have
a
question
for
you
about
process
and
timing.
Would
it
be
possible
for
us
to
shelve
this
request
pending
closing
on
the
property,
so
that
this?
The
concern
about
you
know
well,
are
they
going
to
be
further
asked?
Are
there
going
to
be
further
issues?
I
mean
you
know.
I
I
want
to
work
in
partnership
with
this.
I
really
think
it's
important
for
our
community
to
see
additional
permanent
supportive
housing
units
brought
online
in
our
community.
I
mean,
if
we're
going
to
work,
to
address
homelessness
and
bring
an
end
to
homelessness.
A
We've
got
to
bring
online
permanent,
supportive
housing
that
allows
this
is
designed
specifically
for
people
to
transition
out
of
homelessness.
So
I
I
to
me
it's
a
valued
project
and
I
really
want
to
see
it
go
forward,
but
I
hear
the
concerns
about
well
we're
they
haven't
closed,
yet
we're
still
kind
of
in
this.
Maybe
it's
going
to
take
this
long.
Maybe
it's
not.
I
mean.
Is
there
a
way
to
sort
of
signal
to
them
that
we
would
like
to
see
it
finished,
see
it
closed
and
then
hear
the
totality
of
the
request.
A
Hopefully
it's
nothing
more
than
this,
but
but
then
we
would
know
that
for
sure.
L
And
that's
what
I'm
trying
to
think
through
is
that
we
are
at
somewhat
at
a
very
pivotal
point
in
this
project.
So
I
don't
know
what
would
happen
if
we
don't,
if
we
don't
have
support
tonight.
So
it's
a
little
a
little
difficult.
A
G
A
But
if
you,
but
if
you
do
want
it
to
happen,
this
would
be
an
important
step
yeah.
I
agree.
Okay,
I
understood
okay,
so.
D
I
L
No,
and
so
I'm
not
sure
if
I
understand
why
the
delay
would
be
important.
I
P
And
that's
what
I
asked
nikki
before
we
put
this
on
this
agenda
nikki.
They
can't
be
coming
back
asking
for
anything
else,
and
this
isn't
an
addition.
It's
essentially
waiving
the
reimbursement
of
our
sunk
costs,
yeah
that
that
we
did
our
own
due
diligence
exactly
because
we
were
going
to
be
the
buyer
of
that
particular
hotel.
F
Sort
of
confused
with
because
people
keep
saying,
are
they
coming
back?
Are
they
coming
back?
We
don't
know
if
they're
coming
back
and
if
they
came
back
then
of
course,
then
you
know
baby.
Our
decision
would
be
different,
but
you've
got
to
understand
too
that
these
investors
actually
have
probably
spent
more
money
in
doing
a
lot
of
other
due
diligence,
things
that
the
expenses
that
they've
incurred,
so
if
they
could
sort
of
I
mean
I
can
understand
why
they
would
ask
for
this,
because
it
was
something
that
we
would
have
paid
anyway.
L
But
I
think
to
underscore
the
city
manager's
point
right:
we
were
not
intending
to
bring
any
further
funding
requests
back.
This
was
it
right,
so
either
the
we
would
proceed,
knowing
that
the
ea
was
the
final
hurdle
to
clear
or
the
project
would
fall
through
and
we
would
move
on
accordingly.
In
that
regard,
as
well.
T
L
I
don't
want
to
confuse
things,
but
we
were
explicitly
asked
if
the
city
could
participate
in
these
costs,
and
this
was
the
way
when
we
discussed
the
ability
for
the
city
to
participate.
This
was
the
way
that
we
found
we
could
and
given
the
fact
that
it
was
some
cost,
it
seemed
something
that
was
worthwhile
considering.
So
I
do
want
to
be
clear
that
that
was
the
app.
I
It's
money
that
would
not
return
to
us
that
we
expected
in
our
it's,
not
our
trust
fund,
as
close
as
our
cip
for
housing,
but
nikki,
I'm
gonna,
I'm
coming
around
on
this
because
I
can
hear
you
say,
and
I
know
I
trust
your
experience
that
this
deal
may
not
happen.
If
we
don't
do
this,
so
what
I
want
to
move
my
thinking
into
is
how
can
we
if
we
do
support
this,
can
we
add
some
language
that
clarifies
we
don't
want
to
see
asks
again
and
that's
maybe
a
brad
question.
L
She'll
be
happy
to
take
that
back
for
sure,
because
it's
very
clear
to
me
that
this
is
not.
This
is
we're.
We're
ready
to
see
this
happen
is
what
the
message
has
been,
and
this
was
the
again.
I
am
I'm
doing
the
work
of
saying
well
if
it
doesn't
close
we're
not
getting
these
funds
back.
You
know,
prior
to
december,
when
we
had
even
contemplated
assigning
this
to
shangri-la,
these
were
sunk
costs
that
we
would
never
have
gotten
back.
So
for
me,
it
was
worth
it
to
bring
it
forward
for
consideration.
F
And
also
thank
you
to
the
idea
of
losing
this
product,
this
project
right
because
pretty
much
the
community.
I
actually
have
sort
of
settled
in
on
this,
and
I
think
if
this
particular
deal,
you
know
we
lose
it
behind.
Not
trying
to
you
know
be
supportive
in
some
way,
then
the
chances
of
that
ever
being
affordable,
supportive
housing
will
never
happen
again.
So.
L
Who's
to
say
right,
I
don't,
I
don't
believe
without
the
city's
support
through
this,
the
supportive
services
element,
which
is
the
1.5
million
in
funding.
I
don't
think
we
would
see
that
as
permanent
supportive
housing
there.
A
A
Okay,
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
we
we
do
have
one
person
signed
up
to
speak
jonathan
wainscott.
Q
Thanks,
I'm
glad
that
this
has
given
me
the
opportunity
to
just
talk
about
what
a
sloppy
deal.
This
was
from
the
very
beginning,
and
I
do
think
that
it
is
a
greedy
ask
for
them
to
comb
through
the
costs.
Now,
after
the
fact,
there
should
have
been
something
they
should
have
thought
about
in
the
first
place.
Q
I
think
that
what
they've
been
given,
as
ms
mosley
said,
what
this
happened
in
six
to
ten
days
of
just
some
quick
phone
calls
it's
hard
for
me
to
see
a
whole
lot
of
due
diligence
in
the
process
in
the
first
place,
and
I'm
sure
that,
because
this
happened
so
fast
for
shangri-la,
this
is
just
sort
of
a
you
know
a
bonus
fee
that
they
should
be
paying
because
it
got
fast
tracked
through
the
process.
Q
To
begin
with,
and
to
as
you're
saying
you
know,
basically
we're
gonna
take
this
out
of
our
treasured,
affordable
housing
fund
and
pay.
These
guys
back
is
I
mean
it
is
the
model
of
their
their
profitability.
They
have
to
get
money
from
us,
the
government
or
somewhere
else,
they're,
not
getting
it
from
their
clients.
Q
This
is
such
a
horrible
model
of
how
we
can
do
things,
it's
obviously
ripe
for
corruption.
It's
been
sloppy
from
the
very
beginning
and
I
think
it's
yeah
sending
a
message
is
important
that
we're
not
gonna.
Do
this
we're
not
going
to
negotiate
in
these
ways
and.
G
Q
I
hope
that
obviously
miss
mosley.
I
can
see
that
you're
going
to
be
consistent
on
not
supporting
this
this
project,
the
way
that
it
went
down
and
continue
to
do
that,
and
I
hope
that
some
other
people
might
consider
that
the
the
way
that
this
went
down
originally,
you
know
that
to
support
this
is
just
a
continuation
of
a
bad
process
to
begin
with,
and
that
this
is
your
opportunity
to
maybe
be
contrite
and
back
away
from
this
horrible
decision
in
the
first
place.
A
G
A
I
A
A
Maybe
this
council
will
need
to
have
a
more
in-depth
discussion
about
what
we
think
is
our
lane
in
terms
of
that
work,
because
if
it's
not
supporting
permanent
supportive
housing,
that
needs
to
be
clear
because
to
me
I
I
thought
that
was
a
direction.
O
T
This
is
a
bad
deal.
I
don't
think
it
would
come
to
an
end.
If
we
didn't
go
this
way,
we
don't
have
to
bend
over
every
time.
Someone
asked
just
because
we
appreciate
the
broader
concerns,
so
I
don't
want
to
be
painted
in
a
corner
for
not
supporting
permanent
supportive
housing.
I
don't
like
the
way
this
came
up.
We
did
it
too
quickly.
In
my
opinion,
we
looked
sloppy
in
my
opinion.
A
Ebola
I
appreciate
that
I
mean
I
I
have
found
that,
unfortunately,
with
these
land
deals,
I
mean
a
nicki
can
confirm
this.
We've
had
several
instances
where
unexpected
issues
come
up
and
we're
asked
to
address
them.
I
I
guess
I
heard
staff
saying
tonight
that
this
project
was
in
jeopardy.
If
we
didn't
support
this,
ask
we're
talking
about
money.
We've
already
spent
we'll
lose
if
this
deal
doesn't
go
through.
A
So
I
you
know,
I
I
you
know,
I
don't
know
what
to
say
about
it.
This
is
this
is
our
first
other
than
days
in
which
is
you
know
days
in
is
an
interesting
situation
with
homeward
bound
the
level
of
subsidy
needed
to
support
homeward
bound
in
that
effort
is
a
magnitude
greater
than
this.
So
so
I
guess
for
me
to
find
an
entity
that
knows
how
to
do
this.
Work
makes
investments
in
properties
and
offers
voucher-based
permanent,
supportive
housing
seems
like
something
we
don't.
We
don't.
A
You
know,
as
far
as
I
know,
in
my
research
of
properties
that
are
voucher-based
housing
privately
on
voucher-based
housing
in
asheville,
they
are
not
necessarily
locally
owned.
They
are
these
national
entities
and
that's
the
business
they're
in
so
I
I
I
guess
I
get.
This
is
a
little
bit
disappointing
because
I
think
it's
a
specialty
area
we're
asking
our
staff
to
kind
of
be
experts
in
all
things
and
advise
us
appropriately
and-
and
so
you
know,
I
want
to
make
the
smartest
decision.
A
I
don't
want
to
blow
up
this
opportunity
if
we
lose
it,
but
maybe
you
know,
I
guess.
Maybe
this
is
our
negotiating
style
or
something
we
all.
We
all
sounds
like.
There's
sounds
like
there's
collective
agreement
about
the
need
for
permanent
supportive
housing,
but
to
what
extent
we
we
make
an
effort
in
that
direction
is
is
of
disagreement.
I
I
I
don't
I
don't
want
us
to
leave
here
feeling,
like
we've
done
a
horrible
job,
because
we
are,
I
mean
this
is
an
ongoing,
changing
environment,
we're
doing
what
we
can.
I
think
we
all
very
much
are
concerned
about
the
unhoused
and
are
doing
as
much
as
we
can
across
all
fronts,
so
I'm
not
going
to
beat
ourselves
up
over
this.
I
think
I'll
be
curious
to
see
where
this
lands
the
deal
and
I
do
hope
it
continues.
A
Okay,
yep
all
right.
Those
were
post
unusual
post-voting
comments
there.
Thank
you.
Sorry.
I
was
trying
to
figure
out
what
happens
next.
Okay,
thank
you
nikki
all
right,
so
we
have
reached
the
end
of
our
agenda
and
now
is
the
time
for
public
comment.
We
do
council
have
a
closed
session
after
this.
So
folks,
if
you're
signed
up
to
speak,
you'll
have
three
minutes
to
speak.
A
Our
city
clerk
maggie
will
be
keeping
the
time
she
has
a
high-tech
cell
phone
that
she
uses
that
will
ding
when
it's
time's
up.
So
I
will
begin
in
order
of
folks
who
are
signed
up.
The
first
person
signed
up
to
speak
is
david
rogers.
V
Hello
council,
I'm
david
rogers
from
the
grace
community,
I'm
here
to
talk
with
you
about
jones
park.
The
jones
park.
Playground
was
a
treasure
to
asset
built
as
a
public
private
collaboration
with
donated
money
and
resources
in
1999.,
the
city
of
asheville
helped
with
the
construction
of
the
playground
and
provided
maintenance
for
the
first
five
years.
V
We
have
quotes
to
rebuild
the
jones
park
playground
with
similar
equip
equipment
as
tempe
avery
park
in
montford
for
around
300
thousand
dollars.
The
city
of
asheville
has
a
relationship
with
this
vendor
and
the
budgeted
maintenance
of
tempe
avery
in
years.
One
through
ten
per
year
is
fifteen
hundred
dollars
in
years
eleven
through
twenty,
maybe
thirty.
Five
hundred
to
five
thousand
maintenance
costs
are
low,
with
the
materials
and
warranties
that
they
have.
We
have
pledges
of
more
than
311
thousand
dollars
to
build
a
new
playground.
V
The
asheville
city
schools
foundation
has
agreed
to
provide
fiscal
agency
once
approval
to
rebuild
and
long-term
maintenance
is
set.
Asheville
city
schools,
leaders
that
I
met
with
last
week
support
getting
the
playground
rebuilt
with
donated
funds
if
asheville
parks
and
rec
will
commit
to
maintaining
the
playground.
V
The
acs
leaders
I
met
with
were
the
superintendent
board
chair
vice
chair,
attorney
and
executive
director
of
finance.
All
support
getting
this
done.
They
don't
have
the
finances
to
take
care
of
it.
The
coalition
of
asheville
neighborhoods
has
sent
you
a
letter
of
support,
urging
you
to
commit
to
providing
long-term
maintenance
of
what
is
essentially
a
city
park
in
an
email
from
one
of
you
all.
You
told
me
how,
when
a
city
gets
programming
time
on
facilities,
that
they
do
not
own,
it's
customary
that
the
city
provides
maintenance.
V
V
It's
a
huge
win
for
the
city
and
all
of
us
that
have
used
this
playground
for
decades.
No
tax
dollars
will
be
needed
to
be
spent
to
rebuild
the
playground.
The
school
is
offering
to
sign
a
long-term
lease
with
the
city
for
possibly
just
a
dollar
a
year.
Where
else
can
the
city
get
land
like
this?
For
a
dollar
this
there
was
a
sign
on
the
jones
park.
V
Playground
that
said
quote.
There
is
a
unique
partnership
between
asheville
city
schools
and
the
city
of
asheville.
End
quote:
we
really
need
this
partnership
to
continue,
there's
no
way
that
a
private
entity
can
maintain
a
playground
if
asheville
the
city
of
asheville
is
spending
a
million
and
a
half
to
partner
with
a
private
school.
I
hope
that
you
can
do
this
with
our
public
school.
That's
actually
in
the
city
limits.
W
W
We're
all
crazy
about
this
sport
and
it's
the
fastest
growing
sport
in
the
nation.
Our
community
of
players
is
growing
very
fast
as
more
people
move
to
asheville,
not
to
mention
the
visitors
who
query
us
on
all,
even
as
recently
as
today
about
where
they
can
go
to
play.
Pickleball
our
sport
is
easy
to
learn
it's
socially
engaging.
We
have
people
from
all
walks
of
life,
all
different
ages,
racially
diverse
and
it's
great
exercise.
I
typically
typically
clock
two
and
a
half
miles
on
my
apple
watch
in
a
two-hour
session.
That's
good
exercise!
W
Many
of
us
come
from
other
sports
tennis
table
tennis,
other
sports.
Many
of
us
come
from
no
sport
and
the
addiction
is
the
same
across
the
board.
I'll
tell
you
it's
it's
our
crack.
Our
sessions
tend
to
consist
of
12
to
50
players
at
a
time.
Most
days
when
I
play
at
oakley
and
montford,
which
are
the
main
courts
that
we
play
at
we
have.
W
And
yet
there's
a
court
that
sits
vacant
at
oakley,
the
majority
of
the
time
or
sometimes
there's
two
tennis
players
on
it.
Well,
we
meanwhile,
we've
got
many
dozens
of
players
for
your
information.
One
tennis
court
affords
two
pickleball
courts
so
and-
and
we
have
four
players
per
pickleball
court,
so
that's
eight
players
per
tennis
court.
Sixteen
players
going
at
one
in
one
session.
Well,
there's
many
more
than
that
waiting
on
the
sidelines.
W
What
has
become
obvious
for
us
is
who
play
numerous
days
a
week.
Is
that
that
adjacent
unmarked
court
is
unused
the
majority
of
the
time?
Sometimes
it's
only
two
players
on
it.
As
I
said,
and
yet
tennis
players
have
far
more
court
options
in
the
city
than
we
do
and
when
visitors
come
to
asheville.
Like
I
said
just
this
morning,
a
woman
came,
we
were
playing,
she
came
from
florida
and
said:
how
do
I
play?
How
do
I
find
out?
So
we
told
her
that
here
in
asheville
we
have
the
play
time.
W
Scheduler
website
go
to
that
and
sign
up
for
games,
and
she
said
you
mean
you
don't
have
dedicated
courts
here.
We
said
no.
Most
cities
now
do
and
towns
towns
much
smaller
than
us.
We
hear
it
a
lot.
I
am
here
to
support
both
pickleball
and
tennis
players.
We
both
have
the
right
to
be
part
of
the
city,
parks
and
recreation.
W
G
A
We
want
to
know:
do
we
get
to
keep
the
ball?
Okay,
all
right,
okay,
okay,
the
next
person
signed
up
to
speak
is
sexton.
X
Yeah
we
should
have
given
you
an
orange
one.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mayor
and
city
council.
My
name
is
sexton
and
I
am
living
at
34
seater
summit
pickleball
is
the
fastest
growing
sport
in
america,
as
in
the
end
of
2021,
over
4.8
million
people
enjoyed
pickleball,
it's
consistently
grown
in
the
last
three
years.
X
X
X
Susan
mentioned
playtime
scheduler.
We
are
fourth
in
the
nation
of
how
many
people
are
using
this
app
to
organize
and
get
together
to
play
games.
What
this
says
is
is
there
are
a
lot
and
a
lot
of
people
looking
to
play
pickleball
in
asheville
we're
seeing
a
large
number
of
citizens
waiting
on
the
sideline.
Like
susan
said,
there's
just
not
enough
courts.
X
X
I
get
concerned
when
I
hear
like
I
was
on
the
court
today
and
the
woman
from
florida
said.
What
do
you
mean?
I
have
to
bring
my
own
net.
Can
you
imagine
if
you
were
a
tennis
player
and
you
walked
around
carrying
your
net?
My
net
is
43
pounds
that
I
carry
to
the
court
every
day,
we're
asking
for
your
help
in
getting
dedicated,
pickleball
courts
so
that
we're
no
longer
having
to
lug
those
nets
or
tell
citizens
sort
of
an
unwelcoming
thing
or
tourist
an
unwelcoming
thing
of
we're
not
prepared
for
you.
X
X
A
You
guys
are
new,
so
I'll
we
have
a
no
clapping
rule,
but
forget
it
all
right
all
right.
I
know
so.
My
next
person
signed
up
to
speak
is
christina
dupuck,
dupuck,
okay,
do
push.
I
meant
I
was
way
off
there.
Okay,.
Y
So
good
evening,
mayor
and
council,
as
you
can
tell
all
of
us
in
orange,
are
your
pickle
representing
your
pickleball
community
tonight.
My
name
is
christina
and
I'm
a
local
resident,
and
you
know
I
would
just
I
want
to
say
on
behalf
of
the
pickleball
community.
Y
It
is
heart-wrenching
to
really
take
note
of
your
meeting
tonight
to
really
listen
to
the
issues
this
city
and
county
and
world
faces,
and
I
will
tell
you,
as
a
group
of
people
that
has
been
gathering
to
try
to
get
organized
and
to
build
a
relationship
I'll
talk
about
in
just
a
moment.
I
think
at
our
respect
to
all
of
you
and
to
the
citizens
of
need.
Y
We
want
to
be
very
respectful
to
come
to
this
room
and
to
talk
about
pickleball,
because
in
talking
to
dee
who
I've
had
a
chance
to
meet
and
talk
with
a
couple
times
and
we're
very
excited
for
your
new
leadership
in
the
parks
and
rec
department.
Here
in
asheville
and
wayne
who
has
also
joined
you,
and
we
see
a
great
potential
there
for
relationship
and
growth
and
to
build
a
vision
with
you.
But
I
think
we
do
really
want
to
take
a
moment
and
just
really
be
humbled
by
you
know.
Y
Many
of
us
who
are
part
of
this
process
myself
include
I'm
a
42-year
government.
Employee
government
takes
time,
there's
always
more
need,
and
people
than
there
will
ever
be
money
ever
be
enough
money
to
take
care
of
what
you
were
challenged
with
every
single
day
in
your
jobs
and
what
we're
trying
to
figure
out
and
tonight's.
Our
first
night
you'll
see
us
more
and
we'll
try
to
be
nice
and
insensitive
of
your
time,
but
but
to
really
bring
a
voice
to
this
community,
but
to
really
try
to
figure
out.
Y
How
do
we
not
get
lost,
and
I
know
that
as
I've
taught
with
peg
row-
and
you
know
getting
to
build
relationships
with
people
that
we're
in
it
for
the
long
haul,
with
you
to
figure
out
either
through
a
future
bond
referendum
or
whatever
it
would
take
to
consider
really
making
pickleball
a
signature?
I
had
a
great
conversation
recently
with
a
leader
of
this
community
and
they
said
you
know
christina
we're
doing
really
good
on
tourists
we're
doing
really
good.
Y
We
got
more
tourists
and
probably
we
can
handle
in
this
community
on
most
weekends
or
even
any
day
of
the
week,
because
when
we
first
started
this
conversation
of
how
we
would
come
talk
to
you,
we
talked
about
the
tourists
and
the
dollar
and
being
a
destination
and
on
all
the
stats
that
sexton
just
recently
shared
and
and
all
that's
true.
So
I
don't
know
to
play
the
tourist
card
or
not
to
be
really
honest
as
an
advocate
for
this
sport.
Y
But
what
I
know
is
is
that
when
people
come
here
as
you've
heard
from
several
people,
they're
looking
for
something
to
do,
but
I
think
the
other
thing
too
is
to
take
notes.
You
have
citizens
that
are
800.
People
is
a
lot
and
we're
not
even
exaggerating
and
what
your
courts
look
like,
and
I
would
just
hope
that
in
the
future
you
were
really
considering.
Y
I
have
all
the
faith
in
d
and
I'll
be
a
booger
and
relentless
with
him
to
stay
close
to
the
recreation
department,
but
to
also
hope
that
we
understand
your
budgets
in
the
future.
We
understand
your
expenditures
and
we
can
see
some
way
or
another
that
we
can
be
part
of
your
future
vision
and
really
having.
A
A
And
I
know
you,
someone
has
recently
met
with
peggy
rowe
who's,
who
wasn't
able
to
be
with
us
at
this
meeting
tonight.
But
thank
you
for
reaching
out
to
us
and
if
you
could
maybe
email
us
and
establish
a
point
of
contact
that
would
be
great
to
to
continue
conversations
around
this.
So
thank
you
all
for
coming
and
sitting
through
the
long
meeting
tonight.
G
A
With
orange
okay,
we-
and
we
have
three
other
people
that
have
patiently
sat
through
this
meeting
as
well,
who
also
signed
up
to
speak.
Actually,
four,
we
have
four
more
folks,
so
the
next
person
signed
up
to
speak
tonight
is
vicky
meath.
U
Hello,
I'm
vicky
meath.
I
live
in
west
asheville
and
I'm
the
director
of
just
economics.
I
was
actually
not
planning
on
coming
to
council
tonight
and
watched
some
of
your
budget
work
session
today,
and
it
was
the
first
time
in
the
last
15
years
that
I
know
of
that.
I
saw
a
proposal
by
your
staff
to
not
keep
up
with
the
living
wage
rate
as
defined
by
just
economics.
U
U
This
was
the
first
time
that
I
heard
that
this
wasn't
a
policy,
so
I
have
some
confusion
on
that.
I
might
need
to
talk
to
brad
about
that,
but
I
also
wanted
to,
but
I
wanted
to
say
that
we
haven't
had
to
have
this
discussion,
because
every
year,
up
until
the
pandemic,
the
city
has
kept
up
with
our
living
wage
rates.
So
whether
that
adjustment
is
in
an
official
policy
or
not,
the
city
was
keeping
up
with
that.
U
This
is
what
we
consider
a
bare
minimum:
a
starting
place
for
a
full-time
employee
to
be
able
to
afford
a
one-bedroom
apartment
somewhere
in
the
asheville
metro
area,
as
defined
by
hud,
which
also
includes
haywood
and
henderson
county
okay,
to
be
able
to
afford
it
at
three
times.
If
you
were
working
full-time
to
be
able
to
afford
a
one-bedroom
apartment
and
be
able
to
afford
three
times
the
rent,
which
is
a
common
standard,
that
landlords
ask
you
to
to
prove
that
that
you
do
in
order
to
obtain
a
lease.
U
This
our
living
wage
rate
is
again
a
bare
minimum.
It
is
also
in
line
with
mit's
living
wage
calculator
for
a
single
individual
in
this
region.
It
is
a
it
is
a
bare
minimum
again,
it's
it's,
not
a
wage
that
you
can
buy
a
house
on.
It
is
not
a
wage
for
a
single
parent;
it
is
not
a
wage
even
to
live
in
the
city,
because
rent
is
higher
in
the
city.
U
So
I
truly
applaud
you
for
your
your
remarkable
benefits.
They
are
great
and
I
want
to
applaud
that,
but
I
also
want
to
say
that
landlords
don't
take
benefits
into
account
when
they're
asking
you
to
prove
that
you
make
three
times
the
rent
in
order
to
qualify
a
lease.
U
A
I
didn't
have
a
lot
of
time
for
that
yep.
Thank
you
please
do.
Next,
we
have
signed
up
to
speak,
is
jonathan
wayne,
scott.
Q
All
right
I'll
wait
for
maggie
to
start
her
time
right
now,
I'm
good
hey!
My
name
is
jonathan
wayne
scott,
and
I
just
wanted
to
talk
about
something
less
interesting
than
pickleball
man.
I
wish
there
were
so
many
people
to
be
interested
in
our
creation
of
our
council
form
of
government.
Was
it
interesting
that
you
brought
that
up
tonight
and
the
possibility
of
a
referendum
kind
of
some
auspicious
terms?
Q
This
is
the
1937
homeowners
loan
corporation
redlining
map
of
the
neighborhoods
in
asheville
rated
on
a
mortgage
security
system,
an
abcd
rating,
and
you
can
see
the
large
magenta
colored
area
right
there.
That's
a
d1
and
it's
really
difficult
to
see,
but
there
are
two
other
or
there
are
three
other
d-rated
neighborhoods,
two
of
them
in
west
asheville,
and
one
right
above
where
the
normal
school
used
to
be-
and
this
is
the
area
description
of
d2.
Q
Remarks,
north
and
western
side,
almost
mountainous
southern
side,
contains
railroad
depot,
big
negro,
business,
district,
cheap
houses,
eastern
side,
very
rolling
and
whatnot.
This
was
produced
by
william
coleman
loan
services
field
representative,
who
was
a
prominent
real
estate
agent
back
in
the
day,
and
his
house
is
actually
where
the
chamber
of
commerce
is
located
right
now
at
36
montford
avenue
again.
This
is
the
redlining
map
and
see
if
it
works.
Q
Oh,
my
god,
it's
working,
I
did
it
and
if
you
transpose
it
over
the
2018
senate
bill
813
city
of
asheville
district
elections,
map
that
was
created,
you'll
see
that
all
of
the
redlined
neighborhoods
all
existed,
even
the
ones
on
west
in
west
asheville
in
the
central
district,
except
for
that
one
little
tiny
part
above
in
the
normal
school
in
the
kennel
worth
area.
Let's
do
that
just
again,
so
you
can
see.
Q
All
of
that
you
know
this
just
pertains
to
the
history
of
our
district
elections.
The
information
available
on
hand
how
it
wasn't
adequately
discussed
back
in
2019
and
leadership
of
this
town
led
us
over
a
cliff
in
renewing
a
jim
crow
policy
that
we
still
use
today.
Q
N
N
I
pay
a
thousand
dollar
over
a
thousand
dollars
now
than
I
did
when
I
got
here.
So
how
can
this
be
that
taxes
haven't
been
raised,
but
I'm
paying
more
and
I've
learned
that
it
is
because
we
have
county
taxes,
we
have
city
taxes
or
raises
or,
and
then
we
also
have
maybe
city
asheville
school
property
taxes.
N
N
What
are
they
for
and
where
does
the
city
council
stand
on
those?
Do
you
support
them
or
not
support
them
because
you're
our
representatives-
and
we
want
to
know
where
you
stand,
for
example,
the
quarter
of
a
quarter
cent
sales
tax
going
on?
I
think
that's
the
same
as
what
julie
mayfield's
proposing
for
businesses
or
is
it
in
addition,
anyhow,
I've
read
that
julie,
mayfield
is
proposing
a
quarter
percent
sales
tax
for
bike
lanes.
This
one
is
for
transportation,
so
maybe
it
is
the
same
tax,
but
that
kind
of
clarification
is
good.
N
We'd
like
to
know
also
at
last
week's
buncombe
county
commission's
office
or
commissions
meeting,
a
70
million
dollar
bond
was
floated
on
property
taxes
to
pay,
for,
I
believe
30
million
dollars
is
for
conservation
and
equity,
whatever
that
means,
and
the
other
40
million
thousand
or
40
million
dollars
is
for
affordable
housing.
A
And
our
last
speaker
asked
to
be
withdrawn,
so
I
don't
have
any
further
speakers
signed
up
for
this
evening,
but
we
do
have
a
closed
session
motion.
D
The
statutory
authorization
is
contained
in
north
carolina
general
statute,
section
143-318.11
a1,
the
laws
that
make
that
information
privileged
and
confidential,
or
north
carolina
general
statute,
section
143-318-10
e
and
north
carolina
general
statute,
section
160,
a
168
and
two
to
consult
with
an
attorney
employed
by
the
city
about
matters
with
respect
to
which
the
attorney-client
privilege
between
the
city
and
its
attorney
must
be
preserved,
including,
but
not
limited
to
the
handling
of
the
following
matters.
Fidel
esopica
versus
city
of
asheville,
the
statutory
authorization
is
contained
in
north
carolina
general
statute,
section
143-318.11,
a
three.
A
Okay,
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
all
those
in
paper.
Please
say:
aye.