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From YouTube: City Council Meeting – January 24, 2023
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Regular meeting of the Asheville City Council.
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A
Welcome
to
the
Asheville
city
council
meeting
if
you'll
just
take
one
moment
to
silence
your
cell
phones
and
also,
if
you
want
to
speak
at
this
evening's
meeting,
we
have
someone
out
in
the
hall
who
will
take
your
name
and
sign
you
up
and
then
you'll
be
added
to
the
list.
I
see
on
my
screen.
So
if,
at
any
time
during
the
meeting
you
realize
you
haven't
signed
up
and
you
want
to
just
go
on
out
in
the
hall
and
sign
up
and
it'll
show
up
on.
A
Of
speakers
we
have
two
council
members
absent
up
here,
although
Sage
Turner
is
actually
on
the
phone
and
I'm
looking
at
I'm,
looking
at
a
high-tech
speakerphone
there
connected
to
that
microphone.
So
she
is
in
attendance
by
phone
and
with
that
please
rise
for
the
Pledge
of
Allegiance.
A
A
And
before
we
begin
our
agenda
this
evening,
I
I
just
wanted
to
remember
someone
who
just
passed
away
a
a
volunteer
civil
servant,
Guillermo
Rodriguez,
who
was
a
member
of
our
community
for
a
long
time.
He
I
just
want
a
list
for
you:
the
cities
committees
that
he
volunteered
his
time
to
the
Haywood
page
Community
advisory
committee,
the
Haywood
page
Vision
implementation
committee,
Planning
and
Zoning,
commission,
the
public
art
and
cultural
Commission.
A
He
served
as
the
public
art
and
cultural
commission's
representative
to
the
Broadway
cultural
Gateway
study.
He
was
a
member
of
the
downtown
commission,
downtown
public
Space
Management
committee.
The
open
space
task
force
the
Landscaping
standard
subcommittee.
He
was
also
on
the
Bell
Share
Board
and
the
tree
commission.
He
passed
away
this
last
week
after
having
just
resigned
due
to
his
illness
from
the
downtown
commission,
so
we
posthumously
thank
Guillermo
Rodriguez
for
all
his
service
to
the
committee,
to
the
committee,
to
many
committees
and
to
our
city.
A
So
thank
you.
For
that
moment
tonight
we
have
two
proclamations.
The
first
Proclamation
is
Black
History
and
Legacy
month,
and
my
notes
say
that
we
have
Andrea
Clark
and
Dr
Joseph
Fox
here
and
I
see
Dr
Fox,
but
Andrea
Clark
I'm,
not
sure,
okay,
if
all
right
well,
if
there's
anyone
here
for
that
item,
please
meet
me
up
here.
A
All
right,
I'm
going
to
read
this
Proclamation,
whereas
the
month
of
February
is
nationally
designated
as
Black
History,
Month
and
whereas
Black
History
Month
is
a
time
of
acknowledgment
and
celebration
for
all
Americans
to
honor
and
recognize
those
who
have
Advance
the
causes
of
civil
rights.
Human
rights
strengthened
our
nation,
our
communities,
our
families
and
who
were
instrumental
in
building
a
legacy
of
Excellence,
for
which
we
are
inspired.
Along
with
building
a
nation
of
freedom
and
equality
for
all
people.
A
And
whereas
in
black
history
month,
we
as
Citizens
Community
and
a
nation,
acknowledge
the
historically
painful
past
of
chattel
slavery,
Jim
Crow
and
the
atrocities
taken
against
African
Americans.
The
lives
lost
the
harms
committed
and
the
present-day
ramifications
that
are
still
impacting
our
African-American
communities,
for
which
we
as
a
city,
are
committed
to
addressing,
through
our
reparations
efforts,
policies,
practices
and
visioning
to
make
Asheville
a
more
diverse,
Equitable
and
inclusive
community.
C
Thank
you
and
on
behalf
of
the
Dr
Martin
Luther
King
Jr
Association
of
Asheville
County.
We
want
to
thank
you
for
your
continued
support
and
we
do
want
to
recognize
a
code
program
that
we're
having
on
February
25th.
It's
the
John
Lewis
Awards,
where
we
will
be
recognizing
and
honoring
male
Community
leaders
in
Asheville
and
welcome
County
and
that
time
and
place
will
be
announced
on
the
website.
A
Okay,
we
have
a
second
Proclamation
that
councilwoman
Maggie
Ullman
is
going
to
read.
Rosa
Parks
Transit
Equity
day
and
I
have
here
that
Jan,
Whiteman
and
Kathy
Woods
might
be
here
or
anyone
else
who's
here
for
this
Proclamation.
Please
come
forward.
E
E
Whereas
Rosa
Parks
was
an
iconic
figure
in
the
movements
for
social
justice
and
Racial
equality
and
played
a
major
role
in
the
Inception
of
the
civil
rights
movement
that
ended
legal
segregation
in
the
United
States
and
whereas
the
immediate
focus
of
the
Rosa
Parks
historic
protest
was
the
unequal
access
of
African
Americans
to
public
transit
and
whereas
unequal
access
to
public
transit
based
on
race
income.
Disability
have
persisted
to
this
day
and
have,
to
a
degree,
become
worse,
with
cuts
and
Public
Funding
for
Transit
and
consequent
fare
increases
in
many
transit
systems.
E
And
whereas
humanity
is
faced
with
a
growing
crisis
of
climate
change.
With
record-breaking
temperatures
with
consequences,
including
sea
level,
rise,
prolonged
drought,
more
frequent,
wildfires,
more
severe
storms
and
flooding
and
spread
of
diseases,
and
whereas
the
effects
of
climate
change
disproportionately
hurt
workers,
people
of
color
and
poor
people
and
constitute
a
civil
rights
crisis
of
our
time,
as
seen
so
vividly
in
many
areas
of
our
United
States
and
world.
And
it
is
essential
to
drastically
cut
emissions
of
greenhouse
gases
and
convert
our
economy
to
renewable
non-emitting
energy
sources.
G
E
H
A
Okay,
we're
going
to
move
to
the
consent
agenda.
First
item
G,
which
is
the
item
concerning
buses.
Actually,
bus
purchases
is
going
to
be
moved
to
February,
14th
and
then
item
e.
We
will
pull
off
and
discuss
separately.
So
do
I,
have
a
motion
to
adopt
items:
A,
B,
C,
D
and
F
of
the
consent
agenda,
so
I
moved
I'll.
Second,
okay,
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
I
do
have
some
folks
signed
up
to
speak
on
the
consent
agenda,
the
first?
A
A
A
K
My
concern
really
was
more
police
present
when
the
children
are
getting
on
and
off
those
school
buses
and
just
a
little
more
patrolling
over
there
in
our
community,
because
there's
been
a
lot
of
shootings
people
shooting
inside
occupied
apartments
and
vehicles,
but
I
can't
say
since
we
met
they
have
showed
up,
but
we
need
a
little
more
security
over
there
and
we
have
a
lot
of
cameras
and
it
seemed
like
when
something
happened
in
our
community.
B
K
A
And
so
I'm
going
to
take
all
the
public
comment
under
our
consent
agenda.
Although
the
camera
item
is
we're
going
to
do
separately,
but
because
of
our
funny
way
of
signing
up
so
feel
free
to,
of
course,
to
speak
about
it,
David
Nash
is
the
next
person
signed
up
to
speak.
L
L
The
important
thing
from
our
perspective,
in
addition
to
ongoing
camera
surveillance,
when
there's
an
issue
going
on,
we
think
that's
very
important.
We
think
that
police
presence
is
very
important
and
we
want
to
begin
to
make
sure
that
the
voices
of
our
residents
are
being
heard
instead
of
just
statements
in
the
community
that
that
our
our
properties
are
over
policed
I
think
they
are
in
fact
under
police
in
some
in
some
ways,
because
they
are
places
where
people
feel
safe
to
go
and
and
use
their
weapons
to
shoot.
L
L
The
residents
in
that
meeting
specifically
asked
for
police
presence
when
kids
are
getting
on
and
off
the
bus
and
police
presence
late
at
night
on
the
weekends
after
after
bars
and
clubs
close
because
that's
a
time
when
people
tend
to
gather,
particularly
in
the
warmer
months
so
and
they're
they're,
not
asking
for
Rough
and
Tumble
police
activities.
They're
not
asking
for
a
lot
of
tail
light
enforcement
or
misdemeanors
they're,
just
asking
for
a
safe
police
presence
to
deter
that
kind
of
activity.
L
So,
thanks
again,
look
forward
to
ongoing
discussions
about
Reinventing
Public
Safety
in
our
communities.
M
M
It's
come
to
my
attention
recently
that
the
electric
buses
that
we
May
crave
here
in
the
city
comes
with
a
very
high
slavery,
fingerprint
and
what
I'm
talking
about
is
the
mining
and
extraction
of
the
minerals
necessary
for
Lithium-ion
batteries
and
all
of
this,
the
minerals
that
are
needed
for
this
production
is
coming
out
of
the
Democratic
Republic
of
Congo
Congo,
and
it's
a
tremendous
rape
of
that
country's
resources
and
people
in
order
to
get
the
Cobalt
necessary
to
make
these
batteries
or
strip
mines
that
are
essentially
pits
filled
with
tens
of
thousands
of
human
beings,
men
essentially
breaking
the
Earth
with
hammers.
M
They
don't
even
have
backhoes
to
make
this
happen.
Women
and
children
then
sift
through
piles
of
debris
and
Industrial
mines
breathing
in
toxic
fumes,
without
a
mask
at
all.
To
bring
this
so
that
we
here
can
use
cell
phones,
earbuds
laptops,
electric
vehicles,
the
bigger
the
battery,
the
more
slavery
there
is
in
it,
the
bigger
the
vehicle,
the
bigger
the
battery,
so
I
just
would
like
you
to
consider
this
as
I
know
that
there's
some
consternation
perhaps
about
the
use
of
old-fashioned
diesel
buses,
but
that
might
be
a
better
way
to
go.
M
You
know,
I
mean
we
could
probably
even
make
them
eco-friendly
by
making
them
peanut
powered
and
get
some
Jimmy
Carter
peanuts
and
use
some
George
Washington
Carver,
peanut
science
and
making
biodiesel,
and
and
do
it
right
by
the
world
here
in
Asheville,
as
we
think
globally
and
act
locally.
So
keep
that
in
mind,
as
this
comes
up
on
the
next
agenda.
Thank
you.
N
N
Foreign,
so
I'm
here
to
let
you
know
about
my
experience
with
an
introduction
to
the
camera
system
that
is
proposed
to
be
a
joint
effort
between
the
city
and
the
county.
I
was
fortunate
enough
on
a
visit
to
the
county
courthouse
to
come
across
Sheriff
Miller,
and
he
invited
me
up
to
see
the
coordination
Center
for
this
network
of
cameras
that
are
already
in
place
on
the
county
level,
including
Public,
Schools,
private
businesses
and
other
locations
around
the
county,
and
it's
a
very
impressive
system
at
that.
N
N
However,
I
feel
that
the
implementation
of
a
network
of
this
sort,
extending
into
city
of
Asheville
properties
and
cameras
all
around
the
city
needs
more
public
input.
It
needs
public
discussion
of
how
and
when
it
will
be
used
just
because
someone
tells
you
one
time
that
a
package
will
not
be
implemented
doesn't
mean
that
there
might
not
be
a
change
of
personnel
at
the
top
and
a
decision
made
differently
later.
N
I
think
we
need
in
place
some
guidelines
that
the
public
understands
about
how
this
system
is
going
to
be
used,
what
it
will
be
used
for
who
will
participate
in
it?
Who
will
benefit
from
it?
How
it
will
help
our
city
and
an
opportunity
to
hear
from
those
who
feel
that
potentially
they
might
be
harmed
by
it?
N
Can
it
help
reduce
crime
or
at
least
bring
perpetrators
to
Justice?
Maybe
so
can
it
also
be
used
in
ways
that
are
harmful
to
our
Civic
prop
fabric?
Yes,
possibly
also
I.
Think
before
you
make
a
decision
about
this
item,
we
need
to
have
a
broader
discussion
in
our
community
about
how
it
will
be
implemented.
What
guidelines
will
be
put
in
place?
N
O
Good
evening,
the
fisa
system
is
the
latest
in
a
push
to
increase
surveillance
on
private
citizens
and
gives
police
real-time
access
to
a
network
of
both
private
and
public
cameras
located
throughout
the
city.
It
is
able
to
use
artificial
intelligence
technology
for
object,
identification,
I,
don't
know
about
you,
but
I'm,
certainly
not
a
subject.
Matter.
Expert
on
AI
and
I
feel
that
with
this
we
are
opening
a
Pandora's
Box
that
we
will
not
be
able
to
reel
back
in,
and
so
it
is
essential
that
we
place
policy
before
implementation.
O
I
brought
you
all
a
copy
of
a
draft
ordinance,
courtesy
of
our
friends
at
the
ACLU
that
aptly
points
out
the
key
areas
that
should
be
addressed
with
a
major
change
like
this
in
our
community.
This
software
has
the
potential
to
violate
our
first
fourth
and
14th
Amendment
rights
as
We
Know
city
of
Asheville,
Parks
and
Rec,
and
Asheville
Police
received
a
letter
just
last
week
about
violating
demonstrators
First
Amendment
rights
when
they
were
extrajudicially
banned
from
All
City
Parks.
They
also
conducted
intense
surveillance
on
Mutual
Aid
volunteers.
O
A
policy
like
this
would
enhance
our
risk
mitigation
for
future
violations
of
constitutional
rights.
It
includes
things
such
as
a
surveillance
use
policy,
something
that
was
mentioned
to
exist,
but
was
not
provided
in
any
documents
for
these
meetings,
which
would
cover
authorized
uses
like
prohibiting
warrantless,
surveillance
of
public
gatherings,
data
collection,
data
protection,
data
retention
and
as
well
as
how
this
data
could
be
shared,
it
would
also
put
in
place
auditing
and
oversight
with
public
inclusion
and
a
mechanism
for
complaints.
This
ordinance
also
includes
enforcement
mechanisms
for
potential
violations
and
whistleblower
protections.
O
We
do
not
want
to
be
like
the
police
shooting
first
and
asking
questions
later.
When
Columbia
Missouri
city
council
considered
fuses
implementation,
they
brought
discussion
to
the
full
Council
for
public
hearing
and
actually
had
a
fuses
representative
present
answer
questions
here.
We
haven't
been
given
so
much
as
a
presentation
and
have
more
information
about
how
we're
going
to
address
feeding
bears
that
today's
environment
and
safety
committee
meeting
then
we
were
given
about
this
invasive
surveillance.
Software
I
have
attempted
to
comment
at
today's
committee.
O
Meeting
I
was
prevented
from
doing
show
which
gives
an
appearance
of
suppression
of
dissenting
voices.
This
item
was
only
made
public
knowledge
after
release
of
the
agenda
on
Friday
and
was
put
on
the
consent
agenda
before
even
making
it
through
committee.
We
have
already
seen
how
previous
surveillance
technologies
have
played
out
after
implementation.
I
would
point
you
to
body
cameras
which
were
sold
to
us
as
a
mechanism
for
police
accountability.
Yet
somehow,
as
police
gassed
and
shot
at
us
with
pepper
balls
in
the
summer
of
2020,
their
cameras
were
turned
off.
O
We
saw
this
again
just
last
week
when
Police
murdered
a
forest
defender
in
Atlanta,
where
they
have
implemented
fuses
and
where
it
is
funded
by
the
Atlanta
police
foundation,
whose
corporate
pact
board
is
funding.
Cop
City,
my
privacy
rights
are
already
being
violated,
as
I
am
constantly
being
monitored
by
a
drone
without
a
warrant,
while
I
peacefully
Gather
in
support
of
my
community.
Finally,
we
must
Center
equity
in
everything
we
do
in
our
city
and
I
continue
to
be
disturbed
by
our
well-documented
racial
disparities
in
policing.
O
I
have
no
reason
to
believe
that
this
new
system
will
continue
to
perpetuate
disparate
harm
on
communities
of
color,
as
well
as
for
poor
and
low-wage
people.
It
is
important
to
note
that
there
is
no
data
to
suggest
that
this
system
results
in
crime
reduction
even
from
fuses
themselves.
I
implore
you
to
vote
no
on
this
item,
implement
the
community
control
over
police
surveillance
Bill
and
revisit
this
under
the
guidelines
at
a
later
date
with
a
public
hearing.
Thank
you.
A
G
A
Opposed
okay
on
item
e
is
a
resolution
authorizing
the
city
manager
to
execute
an
interlocal
agreement
with
the
Buncombe
County
Sheriff's
Office
for
the
use
of
the
fuses
real-time
criminal
intelligence
camera
system
do
I
have
a
motion
to
to
approve
that
item
in
a
second
and
then
we'll
hear
from
we
have
folks
from
the
sheriff's
office
here
in
our
assistant
city
manager,
to
speak
about
it.
Do
I
have
a
motion.
A
I'm
still
moved.
Okay
do
I
have
a
second
I'll.
Second,
okay,
we
have
a
motion
on
a
second
all
right,
I.
Think
Ben.
Did
you
want
to
start
with
this
item?
So
our
assistant
city
manager,
Ben
Woody,
will
speak
a
little
bit
about
this
item
and
then
our
folks
from
the
sheriff's
department,
who
are
hiding
in
the
back
and
come
come
forward
to
these
seats
up
front
to
be
able
to
answer
any
questions.
P
P
That
may
be
able
to
answer
questions
that
are
more
specific
towards
the
fuses
program.
Fusis
is
a
system
of
real-time
surveillance
cameras.
It
is
a
system
that
is
operated
and
maintained
by
the
Buncombe
County
Sheriff's
Office.
What
this
interlocal
agreement
does
is.
It
would
provide
permission
for
the
city
manager
to
move
forward
and
enter
into
that
agreement
with
the
Buncombe.
P
Does
two
things
number
one?
It
provides
a
mechanism
by
which
the
Sheriff's
Office
can
request
permission
to
put
cameras
on
city
property.
So
again,
this
would
detail
how
that
would
happen,
how
it
would
occur.
The
installation
of
those
cameras
on
city
property
would
require
the
approval
of
the
city
manager's
office
as
well
as,
of
course,
the
request
would
have
to
come.
P
The
other
thing
that
this
agreement
does
this
interlocal
agreement
is:
it
provides
limited
access
for
the
Asheville
Police
Department
to
the
fuses
system,
so
the
Asheville
Police
Department
would
have
access
to
fuses
to
that
Network.
That
access
would
exist
underneath
the
already
in
place,
policies
that
the
Buncombe
County
Sheriff's
office
has
put
forward.
So
in
terms
of
the
Sheriff's
Office
and
the
policies
they
have
that
dictate
the
use
the
operation,
the
auditing,
the
reporting,
how
the
data
is
managed,
all
that's
maintained
by
the
Sheriff's
Office
and,
of
course,
the
city
of
Asheville's.
P
Last
piece
on
this
is
the
agreement
is
annual
in
nature,
so
it
does.
The
access
for
the
city
requires
a
thirty
thousand
dollar
payment
to
the
Buncombe
County
Sheriff's
Office
that'll
be
spelled
out
in
their
in
a
local
agreement
and
again
the
the
agreement
can
be
canceled
with
30
days,
written
noticed
by
either
party,
but
it
is
an
annual
agreement
in
duration
and
with
that
I
can
answer
any
questions
that
Council
has
about
the
details
of
the
interlock
agreement.
Q
After
watching
today's
new
environment,
Safety
Committee
I
requested
three
things
for
the
full
Council
one
is
the
full
interlocal
agreement
which
thank
you
for
sending
that
to
us.
We
got
it
at
3
35
today.
So
that's
a
really
tight
turnaround.
Our
internal
policy
for
accessing
fuchsia's
footage
was
my
second
question.
If
we
don't
have
a
policy
for
how
we're
going
to
access
it,
what
are
our
internal
checks
and
balances
to
ensure
a
quality,
Equitable
service
outcomes
when
staff
are
using
this
equipment.
P
P
Yeah
I'm
not
able
to
answer
that
right
now.
That
would
be
a
policy
that
the
APD
would
put
together
and
again.
That
request
would
then
go
to
the
Buncombe
County
Sheriff's
Office
I.
E
E
P
I
mean
our
if
the
APD
initiated
a
request
to
view
footage,
for
example,
again,
it
would
have
to
be
consistent
with
the
policy
that
Buncombe
County
has
in
place.
So,
yes,
that
that
does
it
has.
It
has
rank
requirements
of
the
officials
that
are
requesting
access
to
the
to
the
data.
It
has
information
about
how
and
when
that
can
occur.
Q
Okay
and
then
the
third
one
was,
if
fuchsia's
footage
can
or
can't
be
made
public
due
to
State
legislation.
So
I
know
there
are
some
limitations,
for
example,
around
body
camera
footage
being
restricted
what
policies
are
in
place
for
our
staff,
electeds
of
the
public
to
view
I
did
get
a
partial
answer
this
afternoon
from
the
city's
attorney's
office
regarding
North
Carolina
General
statute,
132-1.4
Brad.
Maybe
you
can
speak
a
little
bit
to
that.
R
Absolutely
council,
member
Roney
the
the
state
law
around
what
the
state
statutes
refer
to
as
recordings
law
enforcement
recordings,
makes
no
distinction
in
this
capacity
between
the
kind
of
footage
that
would
be
gained
through
fuses
and
what
we'll
call
commonly
called
body
cam
footage.
All
of
that
is
lumped
together
in
the
same
category.
It
is
specifically
excluded
as
a
public
record
and
placed
under
a
different
protocol
generally.
What
I
will
call
law
enforcement
information?
Q
Q
In
addition
to
surveillance
now,
I
have
toward
the
fuchsia
system,
with
the
sheriff
when
they
were
first
installing
it
I
have
followed
up
with
a
second
request,
so
we're
scheduling
a
second
one
now
with
the
sheriff's
office,
but
I
was
under
the
impression
that
the
sheriff
would
be
at
our
environment,
Safety
Committee,
because
it
was
on
the
agenda
and
I
think
a
lot
of
the
calls
I
might
be
getting
asking
for
more
questions
and
more
conversation
more
time.
A
And
councilman
Monroe,
we
have
a
couple
folks
from
the
sheriff's
office
here.
If
there
are
questions
that
they
might
be
able
to
answer
and
I,
don't
know
which
one
of
you
or
both
of
you,
if
you
want
to
be
able
to
provide
information,
I
think
I'm,
not
sure
if
ever
I
think
everybody
up
here
has
had
a
chance
to
visit
with
the
sheriff
and
see
the
system
and
I
know
our
city
manager
has
more
than
once
viewed
the
viewed
the
system
and
just
for
clarification.
The
sheriff's
office
is
already
operating
this
program.
A
There
are
cameras
and
schools,
we've
heard
about
whether
it's
cameras
and
public
housing.
There
are
cameras
and
lots
of
places.
Already
all
of
our
community.
The
sheriff's
office
is
able
to
see
this
would
just
allow
for
the
placement
of
cameras
on
City
owned.
Three
cameras
contemplated
right
now
and
sitting
on
property
I
believe
this
building
is
one
of
them
and
and
allowing
it
to
connect
to
the
thesis
system
that
the
sheriff's
office
is
working
with.
A
In
addition
to
that,
you
have
a
whole
bunch
of
folks
in
the
community
have
their
own
private
cameras
that
have
opted
in
to
allow
allow
the
fusa
system
to
view
them
and
that's
a
private
property
owner's
decision,
whether
or
not
they
want
to
do
that.
That's
something
that
they've
decided
to
do,
but
if,
if
you
want
to
speak
any
more
about
the,
how
long
have
you
been
doing
this
and
kind
of
how
it
works?
That
would
be
great
yeah.
So
my.
S
B
Good
evening
folks,
Don
Everhart
major
Burlington
County
Sheriff's
office
currently
assigned
to
support
operations
I'm
just
kind
of
here
more
so
to
support
detective
Meadows
I
know,
there's
a
lot
of
questions,
concerns
and
probably
some
additional
follow-up
that
needs
to
happen
with
this
fuchsia
system.
I
would
respectfully
defer
questions
as
far
as
standard
operating
procedures
and
internal
policies
to
sheriff
Miller
or
chief
Blake
detective
Meadows
can
certainly
answer
some
of
the
the
technical
I.T
parts
of
how
the
program
works,
but
I
think
it's
important
that
we
were
accurate
with
what
we
share.
Thank.
G
Q
And
then
my
last
question
would
not
be
for
you,
but
I
do
appreciate
your
being
here.
Is
that
when
we're
looking
at
a
budget
allocation
ongoing
of
thirty
thousand
dollars,
that
once
again
implies
that
we
have
a
budget
surplus,
that
we
don't
know
what
it
is
or
what?
How
we're
going
to
use
it
and
that's
another
part
of
the
community
conversation
I,
think
we
need
to
talk
about
so.
D
I,
don't
know
if
it's,
if,
if
it's
a
surplus,
it
is
a
it
is
a
budget
request
to
maintain
this.
The
maintenance
of
the
of
the
of
the
cameras
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
talking
right
now
about
three
locations:
City
Hall,
Richard,
Park,
Lexington
and
Hiawassee,
and
generally
these
locations
were
identified
because
of
visibility
and
crime
that
has
been
occurred
in
the
locations,
and
this
is
definitely
we
hope.
D
D
A
Can
you
can
you
speak
to
I
know
it's
been
clarified.
This
isn't
used
that
facial
recognition.
Software
is
not
you're,
not
using
anything
you're,
not
using
that,
but
on
the
data
retention,
how
I
know
it's
real
time
and
in
theory
it
could
help
a
responding
officer,
someone
able
to
tell
them
what
they're,
seeing
as
they're
you
know
approaching
and
and
help
assist
them.
But
how
long
is
the
footage
stored.
S
Yes,
so
the
footage
stored
is
depending
on
whatever
agreement
we
come
to
with
businesses
or
private
entities,
and
we
let
we
leave
that
decision
to
you
guys
on
the
facial
recognition.
Our
platform
currently
does
not
do
facial
recognition.
The
sheriff
is
not
an
advocate
for
facial
recognition
and
from
my
understanding
we
will
never
go
to
facial
recognition.
A
E
And
part
of
what
I
was
understanding
when
I
toured
with
you
yesterday
and
got
to
ask
a
million
questions.
Is
that
generally
it's
a
72-hour
window
where
the
information
is
stored
and
then
in
an
auto
delete
cycle.
T
E
The
company
that
we
contract
with
that
fuses
itself
has
zero
access
to
this
information,
but
for
when
the
sheriff's
department
says
hey,
there
was
an
incident
at
this
time
at
this
camera.
Can
you
please
download
that
to
go
into
an
Evidence
file,
so
that
was
something
I
was
concerned
about
was
just
whose
access
to
this
data,
who.
G
E
Another
thing
that
came
up
that
I
was
curious
about
you
mentioned
the
facial
recognition
technology
and
I
just
want
to
tease
that
one
out
a
little
bit
further.
If
that
were
on
the
table,
I'd
be
extremely
concerned.
We
know
that
that
has
connections
to
racial
profiling.
That's
just
not
acceptable
and
I'm.
This
I'm
very
assured
that
that
is
not
part
of
the
conversation
and
I.
Don't
think
it
would
be
appropriate
for
us
to
pursue
that.
So
that
was
a
big
concern.
Question
I
had
the
other.
E
What
was
the
other
one
that
was
just
coming
up
so
this
protocol?
What
do
they
call
it?
The
Buncombe,
County
Sheriff's
fuses
program,
protocol
and
policy
is
pretty
detailed.
12-Page
document
I
would
have
loved
to
have
looked
at
it
sooner
because
there
are
a
bunch
of
these
questions
about
what
is
the
approved
process
to
request
the
information
that
you're
inquiring
about
and
what
is
the
process
to
review
information
that
has
been
received
so,
for
example,
maybe
over
the
course
of
the
quarter,
10
files
will
be
pulled,
I,
don't
know.
E
It
was
definitely
a
quick
turnaround
for
me
to
like
process
that,
and
you
know
that's
not
on
you
I'm
just
saying
as
we
learn
about
this
I
think
also
having
a
Public
Safety
Committee
meet
or
environment
and
Safety
Committee
on
the
same
day
as
a
decision-making
conversation.
Just
as
given
a
big
time
crunch
I
mean
a
lot
of
us
have
been
focused
on
this
the
last
couple
days,
and
so
that's
been
a
little
bit
tricky.
E
So
I
wanted
to
share
that
bit
too.
I'll
stop
there
without
to
see.
If
anyone
else
has
any
questions
or
thoughts.
G
I
Other
well
I
appreciate
the
desire
to
think
down
the
road
and
what
could
go
wrong
and
what
might
go
right,
but
I'd
like
to
draw
us
back
and
pull
us
back
in
really
to
a
comment
that
Tiffany
made
about
what's
happening
right
now
to
a
vulnerable
part
of
our
community.
I
There
was
not
a
single
person
in
that
meeting.
Who
spoke
against
this
a
backup
just
a
little
bit
the
Housing
Authority
every
year
issues
an
annual
report.
They
issued
an
annual
report
and
I
guess
will
be
you'll,
be
sending
that
to
everybody
and
I
want
to
take
a
moment
to
read
their
top
policy
recommendation.
I
A
couple
of
things
came
up,
but
there
was
a
clear
desire
that
they
wanted
to
express
that
it
is
not
uncommon
for
folks
who
live
outside
their
communities
to
show
up
before
us
to
tell
us
what
they
need
in
their
communities
and
often
what
the
folks
who
show
up
tell
us
that
they
need
in
their
communities.
That's
not
what
they
themselves
believe
they
need
in
their
communities.
I
Specifically
with
regards
to
the
cameras,
as
Tiffany
mentioned,
the
county
already
has
cameras
there.
The
concern
is
about
who's.
Looking
at
these
cameras,
what
this
inter-local
agreement
would
allow
would
be
for
APD
who
has
jurisdiction
over
the
issues
of
which
she
spoke
to
have
to
to
have
access
more
red
readily
available
to
them.
So
again,
when
we're
thinking
about
this,
please
please,
please
think
about
the
people
who,
at
this
point,
are
the
most
harm
by
crime
in
our
community.
Q
Hearing
that
and
going
back
to
what
Deborah
said,
are
we
really
talking
about
just
the
three
locations,
or
are
we
going
to
talk
about
the
very
real
needs
of
neighborhoods
and
Community
safety
and
expand?
Because
if
we
are
going
to
expand
and
have
that
conversation
that
needs
to
be
had,
as
we
heard
from
our
neighbors,
then
I
think
this
runs
a
deeper
discussion
than
the
consent
agenda.
I
I
I
E
I'll
chime
in
too
you
know,
I've
been
bringing
up
the
things.
I
was
worried
about
that.
I've
asked
a
lot
of
questions
about
and
gotten
information
about,
but
I
want
to
chime
in
with
the
parts
that
I'm
excited
about
for
this
I
think
that
with
the
low
Staffing
that
we
have
in
the
police
department,
the
impact
to
our
response
time.
E
E
And
a
this
is
the
license
plate
so
that
in
that
say,
four
minutes
before
we
get
an
actual
officer
on
the
scene.
We
have
the
chance
at
looking
at
video
information,
so
that
officer
can
show
up
with
a
little
bit
more
information
than
they
had
before
and
I
think
at
a
time
where
we
don't
have
nearly
as
many
staff
as
we
did
at
one
point,
and
we
need
to
be
figuring
out
how
to
test
out
new
ways
to
police
that
are
moving
things
forward.
E
I
think
also
video
information
adds
a
level
of
clarity
once
crimes
are
being
prosecuted.
That
I
think
has
a
lot
of
value.
So
you
know
I
started
a
place
of
really
being
cautiously
optimistic
about
this
being
a
tool
that
will
improve
our
ability,
not
necessarily
to
prevent
crime.
E
We
need
to
do
that
and
we
need
to
pursue
a
lot
of
stuff
for
that
as
well,
but
to
when
crimes
are
committed,
our
ability
to
to
pursue
those
cases
and
to
really
pursue
increasing
those
arrests
so
that
the
justice
is
served
and
we've
talked
about
a
lot
of
the
concerns.
And
you
know
with
anything
new
I
think
that
you
got
to
weigh
both.
But
I
wanted
to
make
sure
in
our
conversation
that
I
brought
up
the
parts
of
this.
U
And
the
only
thing
I
would
like
to
say
I
just
like
to
reiterate
what
Ben
Woody
said
about.
Basically
looking
at
what
the
agreement
looks
like
this
agreement
is
renewable
every
year.
So
of
course,
if
there's
any
issues,
we
can
sort
of
get
that
worked
out
and
also
it's
on
a
month-to-month
basis,
which
means
that
either
party
has
a
right
to
cancel
or
terminate
if
every
30
days
or
whatever
so,
but
it
gives
us
a
chance
to
go
ahead
and
put
something
in
place
that
we
need
right
away.
U
L
Q
D
Once
I
believe
the
Housing
Authority
will
be
a
part
of
the
fuses
system,
so.
S
D
So
that's
that's
the
beauty
of
this
and
with
our
buildings
being
a
part
of
it
being
Sheriff
whomever
whatever
intergovernmental
entity
law
enforcement
will
have
also
have
access.
So
our
party,
our
partnership,
then
has
access
to
additional
information.
Correct,
Citywide,
county-wide,
actually
great.
E
So
a
request
that
I
have
too
is
I
really
feel
like
this
information
that
then
what
he
was
able
to
gather
up
after
the
environment
and
Safety
Committee
was
really
helpful
for
me
to
answer
any
final
questions.
I
had
and
I
would
like
us
to
be
able
to
have
that
information
available
to
the
public,
so
I
don't
know
what
the
method
to
do.
That
is.
It's.
D
E
U
I
think
something
too
concern
at
Tiffany
like
give
me
I'm
just
a
question,
because
basically
it's
Tiffany's
like
said
that
they
have
cameras
there
and
she
talks
about
all
the
shootings
and
things
that
are
happening.
But
yet
he
still,
they
hear
nothing.
So
I'm
just
wondering
will,
as
far
as
Buncombe
County's
cameras
that
just
well
our
Police
Department
have
access
to
that
information
too,
because
they
now
become
Partners.
Yes,.
Q
P
And
one
thing
real,
quick
just
to
add
so
this
this
is
this
is
a
resolution
tonight
that
authorizes
the
city
manager
to
enter
into
an
agreement
with
the
Buncombe
County
Sheriff
Office,
so
typically
our
interlocal
agreements.
What
you
normally
see
is
a
staff
report
and
a
resolution
and
then
you're
you're
empowering
your
city
manager
to
go
forward
from
an
operational
perspective
and
to
put
these
things
into
place.
P
So
the
information,
that's
really
the
Buncombe
County
policy
and
those
items
if
their
public
records-
and
it
sounds
like
we
are-
we
can
certainly
work
with
that
agency
to
make
those
available,
but
I
just
want
to
make
clear
that
you.
G
P
A
Q
Our
staff,
without
an
internal
policy
and
I,
think
this
is
a
really
important
tool
that
our
community
may
need
for.
Community
safety
I
am
curious,
why
it's
not
going
to
go
back
to
have
that
kind
of
conversation
at
environment
and
Safety
Committee,
because
we
had
no
public
comment,
but
there
were
concerns
that
there
were
public
comment
that
were
excluded
today.
What
is
the?
What
is
the
difference
in
having
a
community
conversation
about
this?
Instead
of
a
consent,
agenda
I.
E
Do
feel,
like
you
know,
after
as
the
environment
and
Safety
Committee
finished,
we
had
two
options:
opportunities
in
the
agenda
for
public
comment.
It
appeared
that
we
didn't
have
any
and
then
after
we
hung
up,
it
became
clear
that
two
folks
were
waiting
to
discuss
some
information.
That
really
helped
me
was
available
to
us
this
afternoon,
but
not
necessarily
to
the
public
I'd,
be
comfortable
in
bringing
this
back
to
environment
safety
next
next
month,
so
that
this
information
can
be
shared
and
discussed.
E
A
E
A
Think
what
I
would
I
think
what
I
would
do
is
I
think
I
think
we've
got
everybody
here,
I
really
hate
that
we
would
have
to
make
them
go
through
this
again,
but
I
do
I.
Do
think
that
on
the
we
have
a
policy
that
operates
under
the
shares,
we
don't
have
control
over
that.
That's
we
have
control
over
this
interlocal
agreement,
I.
A
Think
of
Public
Safety
environmental
Public
Safety
wants
to
take
up
the
issue
of
whether
or
not
the
police
department
should
have
an
additional
policy
about
how
this
footage
is
managed
on
our
side
or
or
whether
or
not,
there's
even
a
need
for
that.
I
think
go
ahead
and
have
that
conversation,
but
that
doesn't
I
mean
I
think
we
can
move
ahead
with
this
and
you
all
can
continue
to
have
that
conversation
I
think
so.
V
A
Okay,
so
all
those
in
favor,
please
say
aye
aye,
any
opposed.
No.
Okay
do
all
those
in
favor.
Please
raise
your
hand
and
all
those
opposed.
Please
raise
your
hand,
did
you
get
it
Maggie?
Thank
you.
Okay,.
G
A
You
all
for
coming
to
our
council
meeting
tonight
on
this
issue,
but.
U
A
U
A
U
V
V
Vesta
Miller,
which
I
created
with
the
help
of
some
very
fine
people
and
now
I,
wanted
to
be
able
to
continue
with
so
many
more
buildings
that
he's
built,
but
I
wanted
to
bring
it
and
put
it
perhaps
on
the
city
agenda
that
there
is
a
walking
trail,
Master
Mason
from
slave
to
Master,
Mason,
and
actually
some
of
his
sons
did
the
the
work
up
in
the
dome
here.
Ssib
was,
you
know
they
created
it.
V
So
so
it's
taking
take
a
walking
tour
of
buildings,
crafted
by
James
brick,
Jane
Master,
Brick,
Mason,
James,
Vester,
Miller,.
G
A
V
A
self-guided
you
just
exactly
exactly
and
what
I'm
up
to
now
is
trying
to
get
the
churches
to
open,
perhaps
one
day
in
a
month,
so
that
folks
can
see
inside
the
Glorious
building
that
that
churches,
the
absolutely
beautiful
and
so
many
people
haven't
seen
them
well.
A
V
V
This
is
the
Equal
justice
map,
a
Padme
calendar
for
2023.,
and
you
can
get
it
in
Alabama
and
equal
justice
initiative
and
I
would
think
it's
people
that
I've
given
them
to
for
New
Year's
gift
and
it's
a
wonderful
map
with
beautiful
pictures,
and
you
can
order
it
yourself,
there's
no
way
that
I
could
have
them
sold
anyway.
So
you
just
go
through
Equal
justice.
It's
a
beautiful,
very
beautiful
map
with
wonderful
pictures
inside
that's
it.
Thank
you.
A
A
We
we
have
a
little
add-on
here
on
our
agenda
of
a
brief
manager's
report.
I'm
going
to
ask
Deborah
Campbell
to
I,
knew
there's
something
up
here.
When
I
didn't
see
a
managers
report
that.
D
Sounds
good
and
I
deeply
apologize
for
this
last
minute
Edition,
but
it
will
promise
you
it
won't
take
long
and
it
is
going
to
cover
a
really
really
important
initiative.
That's
going
to
be
undertaken
in
our
community
and
it's
the
point
in
time
count
of
regarding
unsheltered
people
in
our
community
and
it's
very
timely,
because
tomorrow
we
will
be
having
a
community
meeting
in
session
around
a
study
that
has
been
done
recommending
and
assessing
some
of
our
strengths
and
challenges
and
and
a
path
forward
for
us.
D
W
Away
from
your
lips
to
God's
ears,
thank
you
so
much
Emily
ball
and
the
homeless
strategy
division
here
at
the
city
and
the
community
and
economic
development
department.
As
you
know,
the
point
in
time
count
is
coming
up
next
week,
and
that
is
an
annual
event
for
us.
I
know
you
all
know
this,
but
just
to
to
recap:
that's
an
annual
event
for
our
community
and
communities
across
the
country
to
really
understand
on
a
single
night
single
point
in
time.
W
Our
goal,
you
know.
Obviously
there
are
limitations
to
that
count,
but
our
goal
is
to
be
as
comprehensive
as
possible
and
I
would
tell
you
it's.
It
is
our
best
data
source
in
the
community.
At
this
point,
we
certainly
intend
to
change
that.
We
want
to
work
hard
to
increase
the
data
available
on
homelessness,
but
for
the
time
being,
the
point
in
time
count
is
our
best
snapshot
of
homelessness
in
our
community
and
by
our
community.
I
mean
Buncombe
County,
so
we
we
include
folks
across
Buncombe
County,
not
only
in
the
city
of
Asheville.
W
W
The
count
is
only
as
good
as
the
counters,
and
so
it's
really
important
that
we
have
a
really
strong,
volunteer
effort
in
this,
and
so
far
we've
had
a
really
tremendous
Community
response.
When
we
have
reached
out
to
ask
folks
to
volunteer,
including
a
number
of
people
in
this
room,
including
some
of
you,
all,
we're
really
grateful
to
have
your
participation
in
that
count.
This
year,
we
also
have
team
leads
for
all
of
the
teams
that
are
going
to
be
going
out
into
the
community
who
are
homeless
service
staff.
W
So
there
are
folks
who
are
professionals
who
are
familiar
with
people
who
are
without
housing.
In
our
community
and
can
really
support
that
effort
to
ensure
that
we
get
the
best
data
possible,
we
certainly
welcome
additional
Community
participation
would
be
glad
to
have
additional
community
volunteers
and
I
also
want
to
mention.
We've
discussed
this
in
this
group.
Before
that
we
are
looking
at
the
possibility
of
doing
an
additional
account.
W
In
the
summer,
we've
had
a
long
Community
conversation
that
it
seems
that
the
nature
of
folks
who
are
homeless,
the
scale
of
the
homeless
population
changes
over
the
course
of
the
year,
and
so
we'll
be
talking
with
the
homeless
initiative
advisory
committee,
which
is
our
Continuum
of
Care
board
about
the
possibility
of
conducting
an
additional
account
in
the
summer
again
important
data
for
our
community
good
event
coming
up
next
week.
I
think
we
have
a
good
methodology
in
place,
good
volunteer
effort
and
so
we'll
be
looking
forward
to
getting
those
results.
W
The
the
best
I'm
sorry
this
is
not,
as
this
is
not
super
clear,
the
best
option
is
to
just
contact
me
directly.
My
contact
information
is
all
over
our
website
on
the
homeless
strategy.
Division
Pages
at
ashevillemc.gov.
D
G
A
Me
I
am
freezing,
though
so
I
don't
know.
What's
going
on,
usually
it's
hot.
So
we
have
one
item
under
our
public
hearings
agenda.
That's
a
public
hearing
to
consider
amending
a
previously
approved
conditional
zoning
approval
for
property
located
at
264,
Inca,
Heritage
Parkway,
to
make
site
plan
and
layout
changes
and
will
Palmquist
is
here
to
talk
to
us
about
this
issue.
He's
wearing
a
sweater.
Smart
guy
came.
J
The
existing
zoning
through
the
previously
adopted
ordinance
number
4853
in
January
of
2021
is
already
commercial
expansion
that
prior
rezoning
allowed
for
a
one,
a
one
one-story
warehouse
distribution
building
with
a
lot
of
parking,
including
van
Fleet
parking
spaces,
a
number
of
technical
modifications
and
conditions
for
the
retention
of
the
historic
Clock
Tower
in
Greenway
easement.
So
that's
the
existing
zoning
on
the
site.
J
J
So
the
proposed
site
plan
and
project
consists
of
three
one-story
light:
industrial
and
distribution
buildings
totaling.
Approximately
585
000
square
feet
so
about
almost
three
times
larger
than
the
previously
approved
project
off
street
parking,
totaling
463
spaces,
a
new
roadway
connection
and
storm
water,
Retention
Ponds,
similar
conditions
to
the
prior
rezoning.
J
It's
basically
loading
with
loading
bays
at
the
rear
of
each
of
the
buildings
and
then
kind
of
the
front-facing
facade
towards
the
parking
lot
areas
with
pedestrian
entrances
on
the
front.
J
As
mentioned,
the
two
conditions
of
the
project
include
the
easement
for
the
Anka
Heritage
Greenway,
which
is
a
county
proposed
Greenway
project,
the
retention
of
the
historic
Clock
Tower,
as
well
as
having
amended
seating
areas
and
a
historic
marker
on
site,
and
there
are
a
total
of
four
technical
modifications
that
are
being
addressed
through
this
conditional
zoning
process.
The
first
is
having
building
entrance
spacing
and
access
to
the
required
75
foot,
maximum
distance
parking
lot
tree
islands
with
a
minimum
width
of
nine
feet.
J
However,
without
any
kind
of
allowance
for
any
additional
dispersion
off-site,
so
the
light
will
still
be
required
to
be
maintained
on
site
and
then
the
backlight
up,
late
glare
rating
would
still
allow
for
the
light
to
be
directed
downward
instead
of
upwards
into
the
sky
and
then,
finally,
that
no
bike
lanes
are
provided
into
the
development
project
was
approved
with
conditions
at
the
technical
Review
Committee
on
July
11th.
It
was
continued
a
number
of
times
that
the
applicants
request
and
then
approved
at
the
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
hearing
on
January
4th.
J
The
project
is
consistent
with
the
Asheville's
living
comprehend
living
Asheville
comprehensive
plan,
including
the
future
land
use
of
employment
and
anchor
institution,
which
is
described
as
important
employment
clusters
and
are
often
substantial
anchors
for
The
Wider
Community.
The
project
also
Supports
number
of
goals
in
the
plan,
including
to
encourage
responsible
growth
to
promote
great
architecture
and
Urban
Design,
to
enhance
Place,
making
to
make
streets
more
walkable,
comfortable
and
connected,
and
to
facilitate
real
estate
development
that
maximizes
public
benefit.
J
I
J
J
J
So
it's
still
a
decent
amount
of
lands,
but
that
would
be
the
approximate
fee
required
to
pay
at
the
time
of
issuance
of
a
certificate
of
occupancy.
So.
Q
X
Q
Even
though
it's
smaller
amount
have
we
identified
any
restrictions
to
ensuring
the
results
of
tree
canopy
can
be
repaired
or
maintained
of
a
similar
amount
with
like.
Are
there
any
restrictions
to
using
the
feed
Tree
in
lieu
or
they
can?
Can
they
be
used
immediately?.
J
L
R
I'm
able
there
are
some
restrictions
in
place
currently
with
the
fee
and
Lou
that
we
charge
for
open
space,
but
for
the
fee
and
Lou
with
regard
to
tree
canopy.
Those
same
restrictions
and
limitations
are
not
there.
So
legally,
we
are
able
to
collect
that
money
and
spend
that
money
immediately
and
there
does
not
exist
under
state
law.
The
geographical
limitations
as
there
are
with
open
space,
but
it
is
pursuance
our
our
ordinances,
as
adopted
by
Council,
how
we
would
go
about
spending
that
and
I
do
think.
R
There
is
some
intent
there
to
reinvest
the
money
into
tree,
canopy,
preservation
or
creation.
Within
the
same.
What
I
think
we
call
districts
within
the
city
where
it
came
from.
Q
Okay,
so
I've
tried
to
collect
some
thoughts
in
advance,
because
this
is
the
third
time
since
my
time
on
Council
that
we're
looking
at
the
same
location,
so
I
appreciate
the
commitments
to
maintain
the
clock
tower
for
the
future
Greenway
connection,
some
multimodal
infrastructure,
though
it
was
noted,
not
bike
Lanes.
Those
are
simultaneously
both
important
to
our
community
and
very
basic.
Q
My
concern
is
I'm
not
inclined
to
toss
aside
our
Collective
leveraging
at
this
point
when
we
have
so
few
locations
to
leverage
for
living,
wage
jobs
and,
additionally,
adults
see
the
kind
of
community
benefits
that
go
beyond
this,
like
the
kind
of
Partnerships
for
renewable
energy.
At
a
location
like
this
that
are
going
to
help
us
meet
our
goals
so
understand
that
we're
trying
to
get
ahead
ahead
of
this
one
I,
don't
think
this
goes
up
far
enough
in
getting
ahead
without
leveraging.
What
we
need.
A
A
Any
other
zoning
questions
all
right.
Thanks
will
I
think
to
councilwoman
roney's
point
about
not
to
conflate
the
two
issues,
but
if
we
are
approached
for
an
incentive
Grant
around
Economic
Development,
which
is
what
happened
last
time,
we
do
have
income
requirements
before
they'd
qualify,
so
not
not
to
conflate
the
zoning.
What
we're!
What
we're
being
asked
to
do
here
is
vote
on
zoning
I.
Think
I.
Think
I
think.
A
Are
you
saying
to
the
extent
it
could
be
tied
to
an
approval
of
a
zoning
with
the
with
the
I
mean
because
I
guess
what
I'm
saying
is
what
if
we
were
to
prove
this
and
then
go
ahead
and
build
so
that
it's
a
site
ready?
It
makes
us
more
competitive
and
recruiting
employers
and,
if
they're,
employers
that
want
to
take
advantage
of
our
incentives,
they're
going
to
have
to
pay
wages
that
meet
our
requirements.
A
Clark,
Duncan
you're,
the
only
person
signed
up
speaking
of
this
item,
so
I'm
going
to
open
the
public
hearing
and
you're
going
to
say:
oh
what
I
said
much
better
and
clearly
than
I
just
did
so
welcome.
Clark
Duncan,
who
is
our
senior
vice
president
of
Economic
Development,
with
the
economic
development
commission
for
or
Coalition
for,
Ashland
Buncombe
County,
we'll.
Y
Put
prepared
remarks
aside,
I'll
lead
with
it's
great
to
be
with
you.
Thank
you.
I
do
represent
our
EDC
board
our
30-year
partnership
with
City,
County
and
chamber.
What
we
have
in
front
of
us
is
a
really
unique
opportunity
for
Buncombe,
County,
I
would
say
unique,
probably
across
the
practices
that
I've
seen
in
Western
North
Carolina
the
same
way
that
we
invest
in
the
skills
and
talents
of
our
Workforce
to
drive
economic
growth
communities,
invest
in
or
can
encourage
investment
in
buildings.
Y
Just
like
this
I
would
point
out
a
few
key
differences
in
the
site
plan
that
you
noted
councilwoman,
which
really
start
with
this
site
plan,
is
focusing
on
dense
buildings.
Buildings,
not
parking,
lots
and
buildings
are
where
we
can
attract
the
higher
technology.
Higher
wage
uses.
That
I
know
are
our
Common
Ground
between
the
economic
development
Coalition
and
the
Strategic
vision
of
this
Council,
squeezing
as
much
high
value
investment
in
a
building
means.
We
are
also
attracting
the
high
value
jobs.
Y
High-Wage
jobs
required
to
operate
as
capital
intensive
processes
and
to
have
a
building
come
out
of
the
ground
speculatively
with
private
sector
investment.
Not
ours
is
a
tremendous
asset
that
makes
us
far
more
competitive
in
the
market.
We
do
continue
to
pursue
that
strategy
and
have
a
number
of
those
leads
actively
looking
at
the
site
plan.
As
we
speak,
so
I
can
tell
you
in
terms
of
the
tools
of
government
available
to
this
Council.
Y
Q
You
for
being
here,
can
you
give
some
examples
for
those
who
are
following
this
conversation
on
when
an
action
like
this
would
have
resulted
in
leveraging
living
wage
or
better
jobs
like
manufacturing,
jobs.
G
Y
In
decades,
it
is
a
it's
a
common
practice
in
economic
development
in
other
communities,
where
you
often
build
a
speculative
building
or
shell
building
to
help
detract
a
user
that
has
not
been
a
practice
that
we've
had
public
leadership
on
in
in
Buncombe,
County
or
really
across
the
West,
for
a
variety
of
reasons.
But
financial
and
practical
and.
A
A
This
is
private
sector
investment,
trying
to
attract
an
employer
that
could
potentially
come
be
competitive
or
of
equality
that
might
even
qualify
for
us
to
be
able
to
provide
incentive
tune,
and
the
fact
that
you're
here
makes
me
think
that
that's
what
would
happen
or
that's
the
intention,
because,
when
you're
working
on
a
project,
it
is
of
the
caliber
that
that
we're
going
to
be
interested
in
from
that
standpoint,
meaning
they're
paying
competitive
wages
above
living
wage
wages.
Yes,.
Y
Thank
you,
mayor
and
I
would
say
we.
We
are
very
much
continuing
to
pursue
that
strategy
with
this
site.
If
you
all
are
familiar
with
the
availability
of
industrial
product
in
the
city,
this
is
likely
the
last
opportunity,
as
you
correctly
point
out,
but
even
if
you
look
further
out
in
the
county
for
a
variety
of
reasons,
but
topographical
or
lack
of
utility
service.
Y
This
is
a
particularly
exciting
opportunity
and
historical
practice,
and
very
recent
history
that
this
council
is
familiar
with.
Speed
is
often
the
determining
Factor.
We
might
check
all
the
boxes
from
our
talented
Workforce
to
our
quality
of
life,
to
our
our
tax
incentives,
but
without
a
building
to
facilitate
meeting
their
business
plans,
which
are
often
accelerated
in
today's
economy.
We
lose
out
on
opportunities,
as
we
did
as
recently
as
last
summer,.
U
I'm
in
total
agreement
with
you
talking
because
I
realize
that
a
lot
of
tenants,
basically
when
they
come
here,
they
cannot
find
this
caliber
of
buildings
and
especially
not
within
the
city
limits,
like
you,
said
further
out
in
the
buckling
County.
So
it's
a
definite
need
for
it.
So
I
can
definitely
think
it's
a
great
project
and
hopefully
we
can
all
support
it.
Y
I
can
assure
you
our
challenge
in
Economic,
Development
and
Asheville,
and
Buncombe
County
is
squeezing
the
maximum
investment
in
every
acre
and
every
square
footage
of
the
of
the
buildings
that
we
do
have,
and
that
is
also
true
of
squeezing
the
most
value
out
of
the
employment.
We're
able
to
create
out
of
that
square
footage.
Q
We,
if
this,
if
today
and
we
we
do-
have
an
opportunity
to
join
in
partnership
with
using
taxpayer
dollars.
What
does
that
look
like
from
our
end?
What
what
levers
can
we
then
use
to
make
sure
that
the
incentives
match
our
community
values,
because
there
are
questions
in
our
community
about
whether
or
not
the
jobs
that
we
attract
match
our
Community
Values
sure.
Y
Y
The
taxable
Revenue
to
the
jurisdiction
into
Employment
Practices,
tying
accelerator
bonuses,
for
example,
for
inclusive
hiring
practices
or
for
sustainability
practices,
and
really
putting
incentives
where
they
mean
the
most
to
this
community
and
encouraging
those
behaviors,
whether
they're
social
and
employment,
Behavior
or
sustainability.
Investments.
A
I
think
we
could
absolutely
I
see
Nikki,
read
here
listening
to
that
intently,
so
so
I,
you
know
that
seems
like
something,
especially
if
they've
already
invented
the
wheel
in
that
regard.
That
would
be
helpful.
It's.
Y
A
Okay,
we
don't
have
anyone
else
signed
up
for
public
comment
under
this,
so
I
will
close
the
public
hearing.
Are
there
questions,
comments
or
emotion,
and
there
should
be
a
suggested
motion.
They're
attached
to
your
agenda.
I
I
moved
to
approve
the
conditional
zoning
Amendment
request
for
the
property
located
at
264
anchor
hit
Inca
Heritage,
Parkway
Zone
commercial
expansion,
conditional
zone
for
the
modification
of
the
site
plan
and
find
that
the
request
is
reasonable
is
in
the
public.
Interest
is
consistent
with
the
city's
comprehensive
plan
and
meets
the
development
needs
of
the
community.
In
that
the
request
one
encourages
responsible
growth
by
directing
growth
in
designated
growth,
areas
that
provide
access
to
employment
opportunities
to
promote
great
agriculture.
I
Excuse
me,
architecture
and
Urban
Design
to
enhance
Place
making
by
encouraging
the
preservation
of
the
historic
Inca.
Community
Clock
Tower
three
make
streets
more
walkable,
comfortable
and
connected
by
preserving
the
opportunity
for
future
Greenway
construction
and
for
facilitates
real
estate
development
that
maximize
a
public
benefit
by
locating
an
employment
opportunity
in
areas
slated
for
future
growth.
This.
A
Okay,
a
very
long
motion
and
a
second
all,
those
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
aye
any
opposed.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
That
concludes
our
public
hearings
agenda.
We
have
a
couple
items
under
new
business.
The
first
is
a
resolution
authorizing
the
city
manager
to
develop
a
scope
of
work
for
an
official
audit
in
response
to
the
community
reparations
commission's
immediate
recommendation
to
cease
harm
impacting
the
African-American
community
and
Brenda
Mills
is
here
to
present
this
item
to
us.
Welcome
Brenda.
X
Thank
you
mayor
and
our
fellow
council
members
I,
hope
you're
doing
well
this
evening
and
happy
New
Year.
It's
been
almost
a
year
since
I
saw
you
Maggie.
Thank
you
for
helping
me
out
so
I'm
just
here
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
how
we
got
to
this
point
with
the
immediate
recommendation.
So
we're
going
to
start
with
some
key
takeaways
in
December
is
when
the
community
reparations
commission
passed
the
immediate
recommendation.
This
was
to
end
further
harm
by
ceasing
repetition
of
institutional
processes
that
led
to
racially
disparate
outcomes.
X
This
included
a
call
for
the
city
and
county
both
to
conduct
an
official
audit
to
ensure
compliance
with
all
of
our
local
state
and
federal
laws.
Regulatory
bodies,
codes
of
conduct,
just
consent;
decrees,
confirming
that
further
harm
to
the
African-American
Community
had
ended.
The
city,
council
and
County
Commission
are
being
asked
to
consider
the
adoption
of
this
resolution
authorizing
the
staff
to
develop
a
scope
of
work
which
will
lead
to
the
selection
of
a
firm
to
do
the
requested
audit.
When
the
resolution
is
is
approved.
X
City
County
staff
will
work
with
the
community
reparations
commission
to
develop
a
scope
of
work
for
the
audit,
select
the
firm
and
then
review
and
prioritize
mediation
opportunities.
The
scope
of
work,
audit,
firm
selection
process
and
review
and
prioritization
of
opportunities
will
be
discussed
at
their
monthly
reparations
commission
meeting.
X
This
audit
would
demonstrate
the
secession
of
harm
has
occurred
and
prevent
further
harm
and
threats
to
the
African-American
Community
recommended
that
the
city
and
county
promote
and
enforce
codes
of
conduct
and
ethical
Norms
to
include
the
following
confidence:
building
between
government
and
African-Americans.
True
seeking
mechanisms
and
processes,
timely
accountability
of
the
dispensation
of
recommendations.
X
Our
draft
resolution
overview
is
as
follows.
It
describes
what
the
community
reparations
commission
vote
was
taken.
December
5th
of
2022
commits
and
provides
assurances
that
the
city
will
take
necessary
and
reasonable
action
to
address
harm
due
to
intentional
and
unintentional
policies
in
the
areas
of
Education,
Health,
Care,
housing,
Economic,
Development
and
Justice.
It
summarizes
the
call
to
conduct
an
official
audit
to
ensure
compliance.
It
directs
city
and
county
staff
to
collaborate
with
the
community
reparations
commission,
develop
a
scope
of
work
and
formal
solicitation
to
select
the
firm
and
then
upon
the
audit
completion.
X
We
will
be
reviewing
and
prioritizing
the
audit
findings
and
to
remediate
perpetuation
of
further
harm.
A
bit
of
a
timeline
like
we
said,
December
5,
was
the
adoption
of
the
immediate
recommendation.
We
took
time
from
that
point
to
around
January
6.
for
staff
to
develop
this
resolution
and
drafted
it.
Actually,
it
was
Rachel
Wood
she
loved
doing
this
January
9
we
met
with
the
community
reparations
commission
to
go
over
the
draft
resolution
in
the
17th
County
Commission
and
city
council
equity
and
engagement
committee
received
a
briefing
about
this
resolution.
X
January
24th
I'm
here
today.
Talking
to
you,
February
7th
County,
Commission
commission
will
look
at
and
adopt
this
draft
resolution.
We
go
back
to
the
community
reparations
Commission
on
the
February,
20th
and
March
20th
to
review
the
scope
and
what
we
are
proposing
in
terms
of
reviewing
the
scope
is
that
we
have
a
representative
from
each
of
the
impact
focused
areas
to
work
with
the
city
staff
and
the
county
staff
in
the
preparing
of
the
scope
of
work.
So
we're
really
excited
about
that.
We
will
let
them
choose
who
those
representatives
are
spring
of.
X
2023
will
finalize
an
advertising
solicitation
summer
late
summer,
2023
finalize
the
audit
and
review
and
prioritize
recommendations
and
then
we'll
have
ongoing
feedback
sessions
to
the
community
reparations
commission
and
we'll
coordinate
it
with
their
impact
Focus
areas
so
just
to
go
over
quickly.
Our
key
takeaways
December.
They
passed
this
immediate
recommendation.
X
It
included
a
call
for
City
and
County
to
conduct
an
audit
city
council
and
County.
Commission
are
being
asked
to
consider
an
adoption
of
this
resolution
and
when
the
resolution
is
approved,
we'll
get
to
work
on
the
scope
of
work,
selecting
the
firm
and
then
the
scope
of
work
and
the
audit
of
audit
firm
selection
process
will
all
be
done
in
conjunction
with
the
community.
Reparation
Commission
and
that's
my
presentation.
I
won't
answer
any
questions
you
may
have.
X
E
X
A
X
X
Q
Leadership
of
the
community
reparations
commission
I
know
between
their
last
meeting
and
our
equity
and
engagement
meeting.
There
are
some
questions
and
I
see
that
there's
in
our
attached
documents,
both
the
original
recommendation
and
the
updated
recommendation,
which
seems
to
reflect
what.
Q
X
And
speaking
to
them,
either
on
the
phone
or
through
video
to
get
their
feedback,
I
went
over
the
initial
immediate
recommendation.
What
changes
were
made
with
that
and
then
looked
at
what
was
added
or
changed
or
readjusted
for
this
resolution?
No
one
seemed
to
have
any
major
concerns.
The
few
people
that
gave
feedback
those
are
included
in
the
red
line
in
the
green
line.
Dot
documents.
I
Z
So
we
will
confirm
Brenda
the
diligence
and
contacting
us
as
well
as
working
with
us
and
the
staff
and
commission
to
get
everything
done.
The
way
we
requested
it
be
so
look
at
that
in.
AA
In
addition,
I'd
like
to
point
out
that
the
resolution
has
passed
by
the
reparations
commission
has
soft
areas
in
it
and
it's
both
qualitative
and
quantitative
and
it's
request
and
those
soft
areas
we
were
promised.
We
operationalized,
as
we
worked
with
putting
the
the
actual
resolution
in
practice,
I'm
really
happy
about
this.
There
seems
to
be
a
Harmony
and
I.
Don't
know
if
you
know
between
what
you
all
are
doing
a
city
council
and
what
bunking
county
is
doing
through
the
commissioners.
I
AA
X
I
just
want
to
respond
to
councilwoman
Mosley
in
your
resolution
at
the
bottom
under
the
wherevers.
It
includes
gender.
Okay.
If
you
look
at
the
bottom
of
the
resolution,.
I
A
M
Hi,
my
name
is
Jonathan
Wayne
Scott.
Another
timeline
that
we
could
refer
to
is
back
in
2017
this
body,
not
you
obviously,
but
the
Asheville
city
council
passed
a
resolution
to
have
a
referendum
about
our
voting
system,
whether
or
not
we
should
adopt
a
district
system
or
an
at
large
system
and
six
days
after
that
resolution,
that
was
the
very
first
day
of
the
Department
of
equities
existence
in
the
very
first
day
on
the
job.
M
For
then
director
Kimberly
Archie,
and
here
we
had
this
huge
issue
at
hand
and
it
never
piqued
her
interest
to
examine
that
in
a
couple
years.
I
guess,
the
very
next
year
we
changed
our
Charter
and
I
was
even
asking
for
the
Department
of
equity
to
be
included
in
that
conversation,
and
it
never
happened.
M
So
this
is
a
roster
of
all
the
elected
officials
going
all
the
way
back
to
1849
back
then
we
had
a
board
of
aldermen
and
in
1883
the
city
of
Asheville
was
incorporated
and
in
see
1950
we
abolished
the
board
of
aldermen
and
established
the
Board
of
Commissioners,
and
then
in
1931
we
established
the
body
that
we
have
today.
M
Council
manager
form
of
government
at
large
election
system,
which
was
designed
then
in
the
heart
of
Jim
Crow
years
to
disenfranchise
the
black
community,
and
it
did-
and
this
is
a
huge
list
of
all
the
council
members
and
Mayors
since
1931
and
I
doubt
you
could
account
them
that
fast.
Since
the
creation
of
the
Asheville
City
Council
in
1931,
a
total
of
653
years
of
service
has
been
given
by
all
of
our
Mayors
and
Council
Members
Only
56
of
those
years
have
been
served
by
African.
M
Americans
This
constitutes
an
8.6
percent
representation
of
the
black
community
for
the
entire
history
of
the
Asheville
city
council.
So
for
every
year
that
has
been
served
by
the
city
council
since
1930
one
there's
only
been
8.6
percent
African-American
representation
every
single
year
going
back,
then
one
quarter
of
African-American
service
was
accomplished
by
only
one
councilwoman
and
mayor,
and
that
was
mayor.
AB
Hey
Council
and
staff
I'm
I'm,
mostly
up
here,
to
say
how
how
thrilling
this
is
and
to
just
offer
appreciation
for
the
work
of
staff
to
to
move
this
process
forward
so
so
quickly.
AB
You
know
sometimes
for
those
of
us
on
the
outside
I'm
sure,
for
some
of
you
on
the
inside,
you
know,
government
can
seem
to
move
slowly
and
and
I
really
just
I'm
excited
at
how
how
quickly
this
is.
This
is
Advanced.
You
know
from
coming
before
the
Commission
in
December
to
to
now
so
just
wanted
to
share
that
appreciation.
AB
I
did
want
to
say
that
that
one
little
thing
I
would
add
to
the
to
the
report
that
Brenda
gave
and
and
big
thanks
to
Brenda
for
the
work
that
that
she
did
and
calling
everybody
that's
just
above
and
beyond,
but
one
thing
that
you
all
probably
all
are
aware
of
is
that
the
actually,
the
the
resolution
was
introduced
back
in
November,
so
the
reparations
commission,
some
people
may
not
know
has,
is
a
pretty
deep
process
of
of
making
sure
of
vetting
these
these
things,
anything
that's
going
to
be
voted
on
by
the
commission
has
to
be
introduced
a
full
month
before,
so
everyone
has
a
chance
to
dig
into
it
make
feedback
for
before
it
gets
finally
voted
on
recommendations
that
are
coming
down.
AB
The
pike
have
also
been
thoroughly
discussed
vetted
in
these
impact
Focus
area
groups.
So
there's
just
a
lot
of
process,
that's
happening
before
it
comes
to
to
to
the
resolution
being
passed.
So
my
concern
going
forward
is
that
we
we
continue
to
streamline
this
process
and
so
I
think
that,
with
all
of
that
in-depth
vetting,
that's
happening
before
the
commission
even
brings
it
to
you
all.
It
doesn't
necessarily
need
to
also
then
go
through
a
whole
committee
process
as
well.
Just
it's.
AB
Obviously,
there
are
situations
like
with
the
Water
Crisis,
where
you
all
just
immediately
begin,
taking
it
up
together
as
a
as
a
body
to
vote
on
it
and
I
think
the
issues
that
are
coming
before
you
all
from
the
reparations
commission
should
be
treated
as
similarly
sort
of
important,
and
we
don't
need
to
have
an
extra
layer
of
of
bureaucracy
here,
I'd
love
to
see
things
move
as
quickly
as
they
did
here.
So
that
would
be
my
one
suggestion.
AB
A
And
that's
appreciated:
it's
a
little
bit
tricky,
sometimes
trying
to
figure
out
what
needs
to
run
through
our
subcommittees
and
what
doesn't
I
will
say
this
didn't
slow
it
down,
because
because
we
got
it
right
to
the
next
council
meeting
regardless,
but
still
with
our
new
committee
structure,
we're
we're
figuring
out
what
needs
to
go
and
what
doesn't
need
to
go
okay.
So
those
were
the
two
folks
that
were
signed
up
to
speak
on
this.
We
already
have
a
motion
and
a
second.
G
A
We
have
a
rule
against
clapping,
but
okay.
The
last
item
on
our
printed
agenda
is
new
business,
Item,
B
and
affirmation
of
independent
Review
Committee
membership,
which
will
analyze
events
and
circumstances
related
to
the
recent
water
outage
Ben
Woody's
going
to
speak
on
this
Council.
This
is,
as
you
all
know,
the
what
we
discussed
at
our
last
meeting
that
tonight
we
would
appoint
a
seven
of
the
nine
members
to
the
water,
Review
Committee
or
whatever
we're
calling
it
and
next
week
the
County
Commission
will
make
their
two
appointments
to
complete.
P
You
mayor
and
Council
I,
actually
don't
have
a
presentation
I'm
just
going
to
speak
briefly
on
this
item
at
your
January
10th
meeting
Council
voted
to
establish
an
independent,
Review
Committee.
That
committee
is
made
up.
It's
a
multi-disciplinary
committee
made
up
of
non-members
among
a
number
of
things.
P
One
of
their
primary
goals
is
to
take
a
look
at
the
prolonged
water
outage
that
just
occurred
and
through
that
process
and
their
assessment
of
it
provide
recommendations
back
to
to
the
city
council
in
terms
of
emergency
response,
communication
efforts
and
operations
and
and
information
as
it
relates
to
the
water
system
infrastructure.
So
what
we've
done
since
that
January
10th
meeting
is
we
have
put
together
a
list
of
potential
candidates
that
is
in
your
agenda
materials?
We
have
confirmed
with
these
candidates
that
they
are
in
fact
interested
in
serving
I'll
remind
Council
in
the
community.
P
P
As
you
mentioned
mayor,
the
city
will
appoint
seven
of
the
seats
and
then
at
their
first
meeting
in
February,
the
County
Commissioners
will
appoint
the
remaining
two
seats
and
with
that
I'm
going
to
stop
and
see,
if
Council
has
any
questions
about
any
of
the
candidates,
I'll
note
one
more
thing:
staff
did
provide
a
set
of
recommendations
for
your
consideration.
But
again
this
independent
Review
Committee
is
formed
at
the
creation
of
the
council
and
it
will
be
your
duty
tonight
to
appoint
its
seven
members.
Q
I
have
a
process
question
so
when
I
was
revisiting,
we
had
a.
We
did
finally
have
a
full
list
of
all
the
applicants
and
I
noticed
the
process
was
unfamiliar.
So
normally,
when
I'm
looking
for
information
on
how
folks
might
self-select
demographic
information
about
whether
or
not
they're
a
homeowner
or
renter
or
maybe
there's
information
about
their
lived
experience,
we
did
something
I
hadn't
seen
before.
Can
you
speak
a
little
bit
about
the
process
and
how
it
was
published
so
that
folks
might
have
applied.
P
Yes,
so
this
this
isn't
an
Advisory
board,
so
it's
not
a
typical
process
where
the
city
would
have
an
application,
and
people
would
submit
and
we'd
review
that
and
send
it
through
the
boards
and
commissions
subcommittee.
Since
this
was
a
independent,
Review
Committee,
the
candidates
really
primarily
just
reached
out
to
the
city,
so
they
they
self-selected
their
interest
in
this
process.
P
Anybody
that
we
received
an
email
from
we
followed
up
with
them
to
again
number
one,
make
sure
that
they
were
in
fact
interested
to
make
sure
we
understand
their
qualifications
for
the
committee
and
that's
how
we
were
able
to
get
the
resumes
and
statement
of
interest
for
your
consideration.
However,
since
this
is
a
largely
technical
committee,
that's
providing
specific
feedback
on
the
water
outage
and
we
need
people
that
have
certain
skill
sets.
We
did
not
have
an
application
process.
So
again,
these
candidates,
Came
To
Us,
by
expressing
interest
directly.
P
D
G
I
So
if
I
can
piggyback
for
a
second
and
I
suppose
my
question
isn't
for
you,
because
it's
not
related
to
the
individuals,
while
this
is
I.
Suppose
a
first
for
us
I
can't
imagine
that
something
like
this
hasn't
happened
somewhere
else,
I'm
wondering
if
the
school
of
government
ever
offers
guidance
or
gets
involved
with
independent
reviews,
and
if
that
is
so,
is
there
still
an
opportunity
after
we
approve
these
folks
because
I'm
wondering
if
they
can
help
us.
P
Tell
you
about
it
yeah
it
is.
We
did
reach
out
to
the
school
of
government
and
they
they
declined.
Participation
in
this
process.
P
Do
that's
right,
they
do
it.
They
do
sometimes,
but
in
this
particular
instance,
they
they
did
decline.
We
we
have
reached
out
to
a
facilitator,
however,
who
is
an
adjunct
faculty
member
at
the
school
of
government
who
is
willing
to
come
in
and
facilitate
this
process
to
help
lead
this
independent.
A
Review
so
that'll
be
the
support
for
the
body.
Okay,
so
I
I
thought
that
was
I
I
agree
with
you,
I
think
you
got
to
have
somebody
who
knows
how
to
how
to
do
that.
P
Think
yeah
I
think
that
the
timelines
we're
doing
this
entire
thing
in
90
days,
so
I
think
that
was
of
a
concern
to
a
lot
of
professionals,
actually
there's
a
number
of
of
professionals
that
were
that
I
was
asked
to
reach
out
to,
and
I
did
and
oftentimes
I
think
the
timeline
is
concerned.
It's
a
lot
of
information
to
to
work
through
it
really
a
short
amount
of
short
period.
P
Yeah
I
mean
there
may
be,
there
may
be
some
some
after
action
analysis
again,
I
will
say
the
facilitator
that
we
have
identity.
We
ask
a
number
of
facilitators
too,
but
the
one
we've
identified
is
an
Adjunct
professor.
It
has
a
relationship
with
the
school
of
government,
so
I
do
think.
There's
some
opportunity
for
some
kind
of
post-independent
review
conversation
about.
Maybe
what
went
well
and
perhaps
what
what
could
have
went
better
of.
A
The
other
challenge
around
a
facilitator,
who
knows
the
topic
is
that
a
lot
of
them
are
with
engineering
firms
that
contract
with
the
city.
So
right
it's
it's
a
little.
You
know
a
little
tricky
because
you
know
maybe
that
some
would
say
well.
They've
got
a
conflict
because
they
contracted
with
the
city
to
perform
these
services
in
this
other
Arena.
So
I
mean
that
was
a
little
bit
from
what
I
understand
kind
of
challenging
to
navigate.
Q
One
of
the
things
I
appreciated
because
it
is
a
volunteer
effort,
is
that
we
were
able
to
find
an
applicant
that
is
a
renter
I.
Think
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
concern
around
what
happens
with
Communications
when
people
aren't
the
primary
contact.
One
of
the
other
things
that
came
up
in
our
last
meeting
was,
if
we
miss
the
opportunity
to
not
just
look
at
what
we
did,
because
staff
were
really
plugged
in
at
Max
Capacity,
but
how
we
could
have
prevented
it
from
happening
and
also
future
emergency
response.
Q
A
E
Other
questions
I'll
just
add
that
you
know
another
item
that
came
to
the
environment.
Safety
Committee
today
was
moving
staff
moving
forward
on
the
Emergency
Management
plan
and
the
continuity
of
operations
plan.
So
we
talked
about
that
last
time.
This
is
the
type
of
detailed
protocols
that
I
think
will
help
us
with
that
future.
Looking
based
on
the
experiences
we've
had
so
I
think
that
we
have
that
in
the
queue
as
well
as
as
what
will
be
happening
with
this
task
force.
A
A
Of
long
motions,
there's
a
motion
there
with
the
list
of
names.
If
anybody
wants
to
make
them.
Q
I'm
happy
to
read
it
I
moved
to
from
the
following
seven
members
to
the
water
outage:
independent
Review,
Committee
Residential
Water
customer
Michelle,
Ashley
commercial,
water,
customer
Carolyn,
Roy,
Communications,
professional
Mike,
McGill,
Communications,
professional
Rob,
brisley
public
water
system
subject
matter
expert
John,
McLaughlin
public
water
system
subject
matter
expert
Ted,
Tyree
and
public
water
system
subject
matter
expert
Michael,
Holcomb.
A
Just
I
have
one
person
signed
up
under
this
item
and
it's
Katie
Hudson.
F
I'll,
try
to
talk
fast.
I
am
a
little
bit
concerned
about
the
exclusion
of
a
great
applicant,
Kim,
Murphy
I,
don't
know
her
personally,
but
she's
a
residential
and
Commercial
customer
and
is
a
water
scientist
and
a
farmer
and
would
be
a
good
compliment
to
the
rest
of
the
board.
I'm
also
concerned
that
there's
only
two
women
nominated
or
and
they're,
both
the
customers
and
I'm
a
little
bit
concerned
about
the
demographic
makeup
of
the
rest
of
the
board
being
men
who
are
probably
going
to
think
of
themselves
as
having
more
okay.
F
Let
me
not
make
an
assumption
men
who
have
lots
of
titles,
so
I'm
a
little
concerned
about
the
power
dynamic
between
just
two
women,
representing
the
entirety
of
customer
side
against
the
rest
of
the
board,
being
men
who
think
of
themselves
as
the
official
and
I
also
want
to
emphasize
that
we
should
have
much
more
than
just
the
two
customers
on
this
board
for
the
same
power
Dynamic
reasons
but
like
especially
I
love
that
Michelle
Ashley
is
a
renter
here
and
on
as
our
residential
customer,
but
I
think
also
Kim.
F
Murphy
really
needs
to
be
on
this
board
because
of
the
overlap
between
being
a
resident
experience
and
being
an
expert
in
like
customer
side.
Water
supply,
basically
I
believe
that
you
need
to
give
your
residents
a
little
more
credit
and
think
about
people
who
really
want
their
voices
heard
as
opposed
to
people
who
were
contacted
by
Ben.
F
No
offense
I,
just
like
I,
think
there
there's
a
missed
opportunity
if
we
ignore
people
who
had
a
primary
qualification
that
would
meet
Water
Management
qualifications
but
like
primarily
put
resident
I
guess
we're
speaking
to
the
self-identification
of
classifications
of
like
some
people
would
be
qualified
for
the
expert
positions
but
signed
up
as
a
resident.
So
I
want
us
to
not
Overlook
the
fact
that
we
could
probably
consider
some
locals
before
we
go
outside
of
town
yeah.
That
was
it.
A
And
just
in
terms
of
the
process,
the
county
will
be
appointing
to
additional
folks.
So
so
there
will
be
opportunity
to
add
a
couple
more
people
to
this
committee
and
that
will
be
at
their
next
meeting
next
week.
Okay,
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
all
right,
all
those
in
favor,
please
say.
A
Opposed,
thank
you
all
right.
That
concludes
the
printed
agenda.
We
have
some
folks
signed
up
for
public
general
public
comment
for
items
that
were
not
already
covered
on
the
agenda
and
we
also
have
a
closed
session
after
after
this.
A
A
I
do
have
some
folks
that
are
signed
up
and
yielding
their
time
to
one
person,
so
I
assume
that
that
person
is
planning
on
speaking
for
10
minutes,
because
we've
got
three
people
yielding
their
time,
but
those
three
people
will
just
need
to
raise
their
hand
when
we
get
to
that
part.
So
the
first
person
signed
up
to
speak
is
Jonathan
Wainscott
with
another
presentation
right.
M
So
now
we're
going
to
jump
back
to
1883.
this
guy,
it's
a
birthday
for
Asheville
in
a
way
because
1883
was
the
year
that
Asheville
was
incorporated
in
the
city
and
it's
2023,
so
happy
140
birthday,
the
city
of
Asheville
and
the
date
is
so
important.
It's
on
the
adornment
above
our
entryway
to
this
fabulous,
beautiful
building.
It's
right!
There
I'm
looking
right
at
it!
It's
right
in
front
of
you
guys
all
right!
So
the
highlights
of
1883
as
many
people
know,.
G
M
Town
of
Asheville
gets
all
growns
up
and
incorporates,
as
a
city,
Asheville
celebrates
its
big
city
status.
With
the
arrival
of
the
railroad,
lesser
known
and
lesser
celebrated
fact
is.
This
was
the
arrival
of
Locke
Craig,
who
was
a
valid
white
supremacist
and
was
a
City
attorney
and
over
there,
and
not
at
all
and
a
couple
years
ago
we
just
learned
that
Newton
Shepherd
was
actually
the
first
elected
official
here
in
Asheville
and
sat
on
the
board
of
aldermen.
M
It
was
reported
that
he
only
served
one
year
was
elected
in
1882
and
I
was
looking
at
the
year
1887,
because
I
thought
that
that
might
be
where
we
started
our
Ward
system
and
I
went
down
to
the
the
vaults
at
my
main,
Maggie
was
kind
enough
to
let
me
in-
and
this
is
one
of
the
fancy
books
that's
down
there,
and
this
is
the
fancy
book
that
has
the
accomplishments
of
1883.
M
M
That's
his
1882
minutes
for
the
swearing
in
and
also
in
1883,
so
he
he
serves
three
times:
Newton
Shepherd's
first
and
only
African-American
commissioner,
on
the
board
of
aldermen,
believe
it
or
not
was
first
elected
in
1881
when
A.T
Sami
won
his
fourth
consecutive
term
as
a
mayor
and
in
1882
Newton
Shepherd
was
re-elected
and
joined
on
the
board
by
newly
elected
mayor,
v.s,
Lusk
and
and
then
in
1883.
M
He
managed
the
three-peat
and
served
eventually
with
two
Mayors
and
eight
fellow
Commissioners
during
his
years
of
service
on
his
third
meeting
in
his
third
term
of
office.
This
is
what
the
minute
said
on
a
motion.
It
was
ordered
that
the
police
force
for
the
ensuing
year
shall
consist
of
one
Marshal
who
shall
be
ex-officio:
tax,
collector
and
one
chief
of
police
and
two
policemen,
one
of
whom
may
be
a
colored
man.
The
following
named
officers,
were
then
duly
elected
by
ballot.
M
A.H
Baird
was
elected
as
a
marshall,
h.s,
Harkins
elected
chief
of
police,
with
a
salary
of
500
per
annum
and
fees
John
a
Brookshire
and
Henry
Saxon
elected
policemen,
with
salaries
of
450
each
per
annum
and
fees.
So
this
shows
that
both
the
officers,
black
and
white
were
paid
equally
at
this
time.
This
all
happened
in
1883
that
year,
that's
emblazoned
on
our
building
and
that
seal
in
front
of
you
and
it
kind
of
I
think
definitively
marks
the
high
water
mark
of
black
political
achievement
in
the
19th
century.
M
It's
a
little
bit
Bittersweet
to
bring
this
to
your
attention.
I'm
glad
that
we
can
celebrate
three
years
of
Newton
Shepherd's
service
rather
than
one,
but
if
this
was
the
high
water
mark,
then
what
happened
after
that
and
50
years
later
in
the
early
30s
there's
an
exodus,
the
black
population
here,
so
why
that
happened
can
be
found
in
those
50
years
and
I.
Look
forward
to
telling
you
more
about
that
over
the
years,
I
was
all
prepared
to
talk
about
the
Reed
Howell
Act
of
1931..
M
Don't
worry
again
it's
on
its
way
and
thank
you
so
much
Maggie
for
letting
us
take
a
look
at
that
this
evening
and
I'll
see
you
guys
next
time.
A
T
T
Two:
these
concerts
have
caused
physical
and
aesthetic
damage
to
residents
living
close
to
the
theater,
including
trash
debris,
parking
abuse,
fire
and
emergency
access
issues,
an
obtrusive
crowd
arrival
and
departure
Behavior
three,
if
plugged
in
Productions,
is
authorized
to
commercially
exploit
Hazel
Robinson.
Will
it
set
a
precedent
in
allowing
this
to
happen
anywhere
within
the
city
property?
T
V
AC
AC
What's
going
to
happen,
I'm
on
a
reparation
committee,
so
I
will
have
some
influence
on
what
happens
there
and
everything
my
two
daughters,
graduated
from
Asheville
high
and
has
done
well
I'm,
very
proud
of
him
and,
of
course,
I.
Don't
think
they're
coming
back
home,
but
they've
done
well.
So
as
we
go
forward,
I
would
like
to
say
be
careful
who
you
put
on
boards.
AC
One
of
my
mentors
was
a
formal
city
council
person.
We
call
them
eventually
what
Daddy
Herbert
Watts
Herbert
Watts
gave
me
a
call
one
day
and
he
said,
would
you
consider
being
on
the
Water
Authority
like?
What's
the
Water
Authority?
He
said
you
come
to
meetings
you
go
to
that.
So
so
I
was
elected
to
the
word
of
the
being
on
the
Water
Authority
and
I'm
like
oh.
AC
That
subject
is
coming
back
up
again
the
origin
and
everything,
and
in
fact
I
saw
Mr
Melton
today
and
I
said,
did
I
do
something
wrong
back
then,
but
he
said
no.
So
thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
serve
this
community
and
when
I
came
and
started
to
serve
this
community
I
came
up
off
the
streets,
so
I
noticed
the
person
was
talking
a
few
minutes
ago.
How
we
put
people
on
boards
and
everything
put
everybody
consider
everybody,
because
everybody
has
a
voice
in
it.
AC
I
hope
to
be
able
to
have
recommendations
for
the
reparation
committee.
I
hope
too,
that
we
improve
the
Asheville
City
School
System,
even
though
it
did
well
for
me.
I
hope
that
those
kinds
of
things,
oh
by
the
way
I
in
the
process
of
remodeling
my
house
and
it's
going
to
cost
me
probably
as
much
as
it
originally
caused
to
remodeling
and
where
I
live
at
I'm
debating
now
I
live
between
the
river
right
District
and
the
South
slope
I'm,
trying
to
figure
out
whether
my
house
is
moving,
which
way.
So.
Thank
you
very
much.
N
N
We
have
just
initiated
a
process
of
reaching
out
one
last
time
to
people
who
have
served
on
boards
and
commissions
over
the
last
decade
to
ask
them
to
please
take
our
survey
I'd
like
to
say
the
outset
that
our
survey
with
a
group
effort,
it
could
undoubtedly
be
improved
and
no
doubt
future
iterations
will
be
better
instrument
but
I.
Think,
despite
the
flaws
that
it
may
have,
it
will
provide
useful
information
for
the
consideration
of
our
working
group,
but
also
after
some
analysis
and
consideration.
N
N
You
should
have
at
least
some
preliminary
analysis
to
bring
to
you
to
City
staff
and
to
the
public
in
February
just
wanted
to
let
you
know
that
that's
an
ongoing
process
we're
grateful
for
the
cooperation
and
support
we've
had
from
the
city.
We
look
forward
to
further
collaboration
and
to
the
development
of
constructive
next
steps.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
Thank
you.
A
A
Okay,
have
then
yielded
their
time
to
David
Moritz,
who
will
Who
can
have
up
to
10
minutes.
AD
City
council,
thank
you
very
much
for
this
time
to
speak,
and
my
name
is
David
Moritz
I'm,
an
advocate
for
denser
housing
in
the
city
of
Asheville
and
I'm
here
to
talk
about
homelessness
as
it
relates
to
housing.
A
book
has
had
a
big
impact
on
me
on
my
thinking.
It's
called
homelessness
is
a
housing
problem
and
what
this
book
does.
The
report
is
great.
I
applaud
you
for
having
this
done.
I
think
it's
amazing
that
we're
working
on
this
effort
on
homelessness,
both
for
the
people
that
have
suffer
homelessness
as
well.
AD
As
you
know,
the
city
itself,
and
it
one
thing
it
doesn't
address
is:
why
do
some
cities
have
more
homeless
than
others,
and
that's
something
this
book
covers
before
I
start
with
the
book
I'd
like
to
say
that,
for
example,
some
of
the
data
in
here
it
says
that
Asheville
has
one
third
unsheltered
homeless,
according
to
the
point
in
time
count
last
year,
and
it
says
that
it's
dissimilar
to
the
national
average.
AD
AD
So
there's
a
huge
variance,
because
in
this
presentation
it
makes
it
seem
like
we're
we're
sort
of
average,
but
there's
a
huge
difference,
and
the
reason
is
this
is
that
New
York
City
has
a
hundred
and
eleven
thousand
shelter
beds.
Los
Angeles
only
has
11
000
shelter
beds
and
they
have
roughly
similar
number
of
homeless,
and
this
is
consistent
throughout
the
east
coast
and
Midwest,
where
the
response
to
homelessness
is
a
robust
shelter
system,
whereas
on
the
West
Coast
they
have
not
built
a
robust
shelter
system.
AD
That's
why
we
see
so
many
unsheltered
homeless,
San,
Francisco,
Seattle,
Portland,
Los
Angeles
I
mean
Los.
Angeles
only
has
11
000
shelter
beds.
So
I
think
that
data
is
important
when
we
review
this
document,
because
I
think
adding
shelters
is
very
important,
especially
I.
Don't
think
sweeps
are
are
something
we
should
do
if
there's
nowhere
for
people
to
go,
and
so
the
first
thing
we
need
to
do
is
is
provide,
provide.
AD
People
to
go,
secondly,
in
this
report
very
important,
but
it's
sort
of
buried
on
page
43.
It
says
the
alliance
recommends
significant
increases
in
the
investment
of
permanent
Housing
Solutions,
including
continued
Housing
Development
and
Rental
subsidies,
significant
increases,
and
so
that's
what
I'm
here
for
to
talk
about
this
book?
Housing
homelessness
is
a
housing
problem.
AD
It's
written
by
a
professor
from
the
University
of
Washington
and
he's.
He
focuses
on
homelessness
and
obviously
Seattle
is
a
big
homeless
area
and
he
wrote
this
with
the
data
scientist
called
Clayton
aldern.
So
it's
very
data
driven.
The
conclusion
is
obviously
that
homelessness
is
a
housing
problem
and
it
attempts
to
explain
the
variance
and
homelessness
between
cities,
so
San,
Francisco
and
Seattle
have
10
homeless.
AD
Per
thousand
Charlotte
only
has
1.4
per
thousand,
but
in
fact,
Charlotte
has
grown
by
29
from
2007
to
2019,
while
Seattle's
only
grown
21,
so
Charlotte
has
actually
grown
faster
than
Seattle,
but
Charlotte
because
of
a
relatively
robust
housing.
Supply
response,
the
city
has
not
faced
the
housing
shortages
that
plague
many
coastal
cities
so
take.
Let's
take
a
step
back.
What
are
the
factors
that
cause
homelessness,
which
this
report
doesn't
really
cover?
So
the
first
one
people
really
talk
about
a
lot
of
personal
factors.
AD
Well,
it
turns
out,
based
on
the
data.
Personal
factors
are
not
correlated
with
differences
in
homelessness
from
different
cities
and
I
quote.
We
investigate
numerous
and
popular
individual
explanations
for
homelessness
in
a
strikingly
consistent
fashion.
None
of
these
explanations-
poverty,
unemployment,
mental
illness,
drug
use
and
race
explains
Regional
variations
in
homelessness.
AD
In
fact,
regions
with
high
rates
of
poverty
and
unemployment
like
Detroit,
Cleveland
and
Baltimore,
have
some
of
the
lowest
per
capita
homelessness
in
the
country
so
into
that
they,
the
individual
factors
can't
precipitate
homelessness,
but
it's
more
the
the
city
itself
that
contributes
to
the
environment
that
causes
homelessness.
So
what
two
factors
make
a
big
difference
between
cities
and
homelessness
turns
out.
They
can
see,
raped
and
rental.
AD
Cost
are
the
only
two
variables
that
explain:
differences
in
homelessness
between
cities
regarding
vacancy
rates,
Scholars
have
repeatedly
identify
a
natural
vacancy
for
rental
housing
between
four
and
five
percent.
Below
that
it's
an
incredible
stress
on
the
market.
San
Francisco
has
three
and
a
half
percent
Market
Market
rental
vacancy,
and
they
indicate
in
the
book
it's
in
dire
need
of
additional
rental
units.
So
what
causes
low
rent
vacancy?
AD
AD
Local
jurisdictions
tend
to
be
eager
to
bring
new
jobs
to
a
community
like
we're
trying
to
do,
but
they
take
a
less
than
a
fair
approach
to
housing
these
employees
in
this
manner
the
homelessness
can
Thrive
amid
affluence.
Population
growth,
High
wages
and
robust
economy
are
generally
considered
markers
of
a
successful
City
cities
are
incentivized
politically
to
pursue
an
economic
agenda
that
without
a
significant
response
in
housing,
Supply,
Spurs,
housing,
instability
and
homelessness.
AD
So
high
growth
on
its
own
doesn't
cause
homelessness.
However,
it
can
Boston,
Seattle
and
San.
Francisco
are
marked
by
high
population
growth
and
low
Supply,
elasticities,
so
low
supply
of
housing,
a
dangerous
combination
for
renters,
The,
Logical
outcomes,
our
housing
markets
with
high
rents,
low
vacancies.
These
locations
also
see
high
rates
of
homelessness,
Charlotte
San,
Antonio,
Dallas
Austin
see
population
growth
similar
to
Seattle
and
San
Francisco.
AD
This
helps
explain
why
the
robust
growth
in
Charlotte
has
not
produced
the
harsh
housing
market
conditions
that
exist
in
growing
metros
like
San,
Francisco
and
Seattle.
Why
do
these
factors
persist?
They
explain.
Two
main
factors
drive
a
community
Supply
response
to
housing.
Geographic
attributes
such
as
mountains,
water
and
local
regulatory
environment
changes
to
supply,
because
geography
tends
to
be
fixed,
like
San
Francisco.
Changes
to
supply
response
are
often
solely
a
function
of
the
regulatory
environment.
AD
AD
There's
a
thing:
the
phrase
they
coined
home
voter
hypothesis,
which
explains
the
way
homeowners
oppose
new
residential
development.
Baby
Boomers
have
enjoyed
soaring
home
values
by
preventing
the
construction
of
new
housing
in
their
communities
common
Boogeyman.
This
is
from
the
book
I'm,
quoting
common
Boogeyman
deployed
to
oppose
Apartments,
include
congestion,
inadequate
infrastructure,
crowded
schools
and
changes
to
Neighborhood
character.
Note
the
character
argument
often
drove
the
active
publicly
buoyed
racial
segregation
of
U.S
cities.
AD
This
is
a
quote
from
the
book,
so
I'm
trying
to
you
know
just
provide
the
data
from
the
book
to
give
some
added
weight
to
this
reporter,
because
I
think
it's
important
that
we
address
the
root
cause
that
is
causing
the
homelessness,
not
just
trying
to
do
what's
in
the
the
things
in
the
book,
but
here's
the
conclusion
of
the
book.
The
point
is
that
the
housing
market
as
a
whole
helps
create
the
conditions
in
which
homelessness
varies
from
region
to
region.
It's
not
merely
a
shortage
of
low
income
housing.
AD
It's
an
overall
housing
shortage
that
matters
tight
housing
conditions
persist
throughout
the
income
spectrum
and
therefore
boosting
production
of
housing
at
all
levels
will
relieve
some
of
the
pressure
in
these
tight,
expensive
housing
markets
and
I.
Think
it's
important
that
we
consider
the
root
cause
of
homelessness.
I,
think
it's
important
that
we
bandage
the
problem
that
we
have
now,
which
I
think
one
of
the
main
recommendations
is
to
build
more
shelters,
which
has
been
proven
in
New
York
City
to
work.
AD
So
I
think
it's
important
that
we
address
the
wound
now,
but
I
also
think
that
we
need
to
address
the
root
cause,
which
is
we're
in
a
in
a
town
that
has
mountains
and
a
lot
of
boundaries
and
and
when
people
oppose
projects,
sometimes
they'll
weaponize
environmental
concerns
to
try
to
stop
a
project
in
the
city
of
Asheville
and
then
what
happens.
The
project
goes
to
the
county.
AD
A
With
what
we're
reading
in
that
in
the
report,
so
speaking
of
which
that
was
our
last
speaker
signed
up
for
public
comment,
we
do
have
a
joint
city
council,
County
Commission
meeting
tomorrow
over
at
Harris
Cherokee,
on
to
hear
the
report
from
the
alliance
to
end
homelessness,
the
National,
Alliance
and
homelessness,
so
that
that
will
be
our
Focus
for
tomorrow
and
it
will
be
several
hours
long
and
do
a
deep
dive
into
to
more
of
what
you
just
heard
in
10
minutes
and
so
I'm.
Looking
forward
to
that
I
know.
A
E
Move
that
the
city
of
Asheville
go
in
a
closed
session
for
the
following
reasons:
one
to
prevent
disclosure
of
information
that
is
privileged
and
confidential.
Pursuant
to
the
laws
of
North
Carolina
were
not
considered
a
public
record
within
the
meaning
of
chapter
132
of
the
general
statutes.
The
statutory
authorization
is
contained
in
NC
General
statutes.
E
143-318.10E
two
to
consult
with
an
attorney
employed
by
the
city
about
matters
with
respect
to
which
the
attorney-client
privilege
between
the
city
and
the
attorney
must
be
preserved,
including,
but
not
limited
to
the
handling
of
settlement
of
a
claim.
Regarding
the
following
city
of
Asheville
versus
Arthur,
F
Jenkins
having
a
case
file
number
of.