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A
My
teeth
all
right,
so
we
welcome
to
the
asheville
city
council
meeting.
This
meeting
is
being
streamed
as
well
as
we're
here
in
person.
So
let
us
begin
with
our
pledge
of
allegiance.
Here's
our
flag.
A
I
do
want
to
remind
folks
that
you
should
silence
your
cell
phones,
and
I
have
a
note
here
that
the
exit
gates
will
be
open
for
those
in
the
civic
center
parking
garage.
Okay,
thank
you
all
right.
Our
first
item
here
is
the
consent
agenda.
Do
I
have
any
questions
comments
or
a
motion
to
approve
the
consent
agenda.
A
C
A
Opposed
all
right,
thank
you.
We
have
a
few
presentations
tonight.
The
first
is
our
lead
in
copper,
rule
revisions,
responsibilities
of
the
city,
water
system
and
our
city
manager
is
going
to
kick
this
one
off.
I
think
by
handing
it
over
to
do
you
want
me
to
brenna
cook.
Okay,
and
I
don't
know,
miss
cook's
title
tell
me
your
yeah.
You
have
to
kind
of
go
back
and
forth
there
with
you.
D
D
Are
y'all
ready?
Let
me
start
today
we'll
be
reviewing
the
lead
and
copper
ruler
visions
and
how
they
will
affect
water
customers.
We
hope
this
presentation
will
help
everyone
understand
the
importance
of
these
new
revisions,
we'll
go
over
the
history
of
the
lead
and
copper
rule,
the
actions
levels
for
leading
copper,
the
new
revisions
that
were
passed
in
late
december
of
2020,
but
are
still
under
review.
D
D
Lead
can
cause
damage
to
brain
and
kidneys
and
adults
and
in
children
under
seven
it
can
slow
development
potentially
causing
disabilities
and
behavioral
problems
to
reduce
lead
exposure
epa
passed
new
revisions
in
late
december
2020.
The
areas
of
focus
and
the
new
revisions
are
we'll
be
sampling
at
homes
that
have
lead
service
lines
or
galvanized
service
lines
that
were
preceded
by
a
lead
connection,
and
they
have
changed.
The
sampling
protocol
that
we
have
done
in
the
past.
D
Utilities
now
have
to
have
a
trigger
level
that
will
have
to
require
them
to
react
sooner
to
higher
lead
results.
If
the
90th
percentile
is
exceeded
by
the
action
level
or
new
trigger
level,
a
certain
percentage
of
service
lines
containing
lead
will
have
to
be
fully
replaced.
Each
calendar
year
and
fuller
replacement
means
both
the
customer
side
and
the
utility
side
of
the
meter.
D
D
Is
informing?
Customers
must
be
given
to
homeowners
who
have
service
lines
of
concern,
and
that's
any
customer
that
could
have
a
lead
service
line
or
galvanized
lines
that
were
preceded
by
a
lead
connection.
Or
if
we
don't
know
what
the
material
is.
We'll
have
to
send
them
a
notification,
and
this
will
include
how
to
reduce
lead
exposure
and
what
they
can
do
to
get
their
line.
Replaced.
D
This
took
several
months
of
review
and
we
were
able
to
finalize
a
contract
with
120
water
audit
incorporated
in
early
december
2020.
We
also
reviewed,
interviewed
several
employees
in
the
city
and
gathered
historical
information
from
our
gis,
and
this
occurred
during
may
and
june
of
2020.
in
july
of
2020.
After
going
through
several
versions
of
this,
we
finalized
an
inspection
form
in
order
in
our
work
order
system
to
collect
data.
We
need
for
our
service
line
inventory,
while
crews
and
contractors
are
in
the
field.
D
Here's
an
example
of
the
customer
utility
side
responsibilities
and
I
will
have
a
disclaimer
with
this.
Please
ignore
the
sewer
line
part
since
the
city
of
asheville
is
not
require
responsible
for
that,
but
it
was
a
great
schematic
to
show
customers
what
the
customer
side
and
the
utility
side
of
the
meter
is.
D
Epa
is
requiring
all
utilities
to
make
their
service
line
inventories
available
to
the
public
by
2024.,
we're
currently
working
on
getting
as
much
accurate
data
as
possible
by
that
timeline.
But
since
we
have
over
60
000
connections-
and
we
have
to
know
the
utility
and
the
customer
side,
this
could
take
years
to
complete
to
get
an
accurate
account
since
1991.
We
have
replaced
any
lead
connections
and
service
lines
as
we
found
them
and
we're
fortunate
to
not
have
many
if
any
lead
service
lines.
But
we
do
have
galvanized
lines
due
to
lack
of
data.
D
We
were.
We
will
be
assuming
that
any
galvanized
line
was
preceded
by
lead
so
to
meet
the
service
requirements,
any
lead
service
lines
or
lead
fittings.
We
also
call
them
goosenecks.
On
the
city's
side,
the
meter
will
be
placed
as
soon
as
possible
when
found
testing
will
be
provided
if
any
work
is
performed
on
a
lead
service
line
or
galvanized
line
proceeded
by
lead,
fitting
or
and
water
pictures
will
be
provided
to
the
customer
if
work
is
performed
on
a
lead
service
line
on
either
side
of
the
meter
or
if
the
lead
results
are
above.
D
The
action
level
customers
who
have
lead
galvanized,
proceeded
by
lead
connections
or
unknown
material
be
notified
annually.
This
is,
will
include
how
to
reduce
exposure.
Any
health
effects,
language
that
is
required
by
the
epa
and
resources
on
how
to
get
their
service
line,
replaced,
lead
service
line
replacement
plan.
We
have
to
have
that
in
place
by
2024
and
once
again
as
a
reminder,
only
full
replacement
counts.
So
this
means
both
the
customer
and
utility
side
of
the
meter,
and
we
have
to
have
a
funding
strategy
for
service
line
replacement
in
place.
D
The
second
part
of
the
new
revisions
is
testing
in
schools
and
licensed
daycare
facilities.
We've
never
had
to
do
this
before,
but
the
revision
will
require
all
elementary
schools
and
licensed
daycare
facilities
to
be
tested.
If
a
middle
school
or
high
school
request
testing,
we
are
required
to
collect
samples.
D
All
results
will
be
made
available
to
the
public.
We'll
do
that
on
a
website
utilities
can
give.
We
can
give
advice
on
how
to
resolve
any
lead
issues
if
they
have
any,
but
it's
up
to
the
school
or
the
daycare
facility
to
resolve
the
issue,
but
once
they
have,
we
are
required
to
recollect
samples
once
that
has
been
applied.
D
The
other
thing
we
have
to
do
is
we're
required
to
give
a
more
in-depth
public
education,
so
we're
launching
the
lead,
education
and
prevention
program
called
leap.
The
leap
website
is
on
the
weather
water
resources
webpage.
As
of
today,
community
meetings
will
hold
community
meetings
in
any
areas
affected
by
service
line
inventory
or
any
or
speak
directly
with
affected
customers.
D
We
have
a
lead
hotline
in
place
and
email
for
questions,
and
that
is
available
on
the
website.
Free
lead
testing
has
always
been
available
for
city
of
asheville
customers.
So
if
a
customer
is
concerned,
they
can
get
their
water
tested
and
we
will
once
again
be
giving
annual
reminders
for
customers
affected,
and
that
will
be
the
ones
that
have
let
known
lead
service
lines,
galvanized
preceded
by
lead
or
if
we
haven't
made
it
to
their
area.
If
we
don't
know
what
the
material
is,
we
will
be
sending
them
notifications
as
well.
D
If
they
receive
a
notice,
we
ask
that
they,
please
read
it
and
call
if
they
have
any
questions
and
call
us
if
they
do
know
what
their
service
line
is,
especially
if
we
reach
out
to
them
for
inventory
and
sampling.
This
means
that
there
are
potentially
could
have
lead
materials
in
their
service
lines
and
the
faster
they
respond.
The
sooner
we'll
be
able
to
work
with
them
to
see
if
they
do
actually
have
an
issue.
D
D
We
also
asked
participation
in
the
lead
service
line
replacement
plan
should
we
have
to
do
that
and
they
would
be
directly
contacted,
and
we
also
ask
every
three
years
right
now
we're
on
reduced
monitoring,
but
we
have
to
test
50
homes,
so
that
is
that
requires
customer
participation.
So
we
asked
if
they
are
contacted
that
they
would
please
participate
in
that.
E
Questions
just
a
quick
question.
Okay,
so
it
sounds
like
customers
need
to
participate.
I
got
that
message.
Is
there
any
resources
that
you
know
say?
For
example,
it
was
determined
that
there
is
lead
or
galvanized
or
you
know,
there's
a
problem
and
the
customer
can't
afford
to
replace
the
line.
D
There's
the
the
epa
regulation
did
require
that
we
that's
part
of
the
funding
plan
is
that
we
have
to
have
funds
set
aside
for
those
that
can't
afford
it.
So
we
have
actually
yesterday,
our
director
applied
for
the
american
rescue
plan
act
as
part
of
that
there's
also
right
now,
we've
talked
to
our
state
regulator
ncdeq.
D
F
F
F
Hopefully,
this
information
will
be
made
available
on
the
noise
ordinance
project
page
tomorrow.
So
if
anybody,
if
I
move
through
it
too
fastly
tonight,
it'll
be
available
on
our
website,
so
folks
can
go
see
it
after
the
fact.
But
we
have.
We
have
a
lot
to
cover
and
not
a
lot
of
time.
So
I'm
going
to
kind
of
jump
in
right
initially
with
the
timeline.
F
So
we
we
actually
started
the
noise
ordinance
process
and
it's
hard
to
believe
this,
but
in
march
of
2019,
so
we've
been
doing
this
for
more
than
two
years
we
spent
about
nine
months
on
the
front
end
doing
public
engagement
did
a
lot
of
engagement.
I'll
show
you
what
that
looks
like
in
a
second
had
a
pandemic
in
the
middle
of
it.
That
kind
of
threw
everything
to
a
pause,
and
we've
picked
that
back
up
recently.
F
I
just
really
quickly
want
to
acknowledge
that
we
have
had
a
lot
of
collaboration
from
internal
departments,
so
it
hasn't
been
just
dsd
want
to
acknowledge
the
police,
asheville
police
department
and
the
equity
and
inclusion
department
for
all
the
work
they've
done.
They've
actually
helped
us
in
a
lot
of
this
throughout
the
process.
So
I
just
want
to
recognize
them.
F
So
I'm
not
going
to
read
the
list
and
there's
a
lot
more
than
that,
but
these
groups
have
put
hours
and
hours
and
hours
of
time
into
this
to
try
to
collaborate
and
find
consensus,
and
I
just
want
to
acknowledge
that
in
the
work
they've
done
and
we
haven't
found
consensus
on
everything,
but
we've
tried
in
good
faith
the
noise
concerns.
We
know
that
you
probably
know
that
too.
You
get
the
same
emails
that
I
do,
but
these
are
generally
the
eight
areas
that
we
identified
as
top
concerns
in
the
city.
F
This
came
out
of
the
nine
months
for
public
engagement.
The
review
of
apd's
call
data,
so
we
feel
pretty
comfortable
about
what
the
issues
are
and
we
and
we
do
feel
comfortable
because
we,
this
is
the
work
we
did
on
this
process.
You
can
see
it's
actually
probably
more
than
40
stakeholder
meetings
at
this
point,
but
thousands
of
survey
responses,
quite
frankly,
hundreds
of
hours
of
meetings
with
community
members.
F
So
we've
just
done
a
lot
to
engage
on
this
and
again,
I
think
we
know
what
the
issues
are.
The
challenges
is
the
details
of
how
to
move
forward.
I'm
not
going
to
spend
much
time
on
this
slide,
but,
but
actually
I
would
argue
that
most
people
in
asheville
agree
generally
with
what
we're
trying
to
accomplish.
F
One
thing
that
I
found
really
unique
about
this
process,
and
perhaps
about
asheville,
is
there
is
there
seems
to
be
a
desire
to
have
a
community-based
solution
to
a
lot
of
the
noise
issues.
I
think
a
lot
of
the
groups
I've
worked
with
over
this
want
to
try
to
educate,
want
to
try
to
solve
it
at
the
community
level.
F
First,
before
the
city
for
the
city
is
involved
before
there's
punitive
measures,
I
think
that's
been
a
common
thread
amongst
everybody
in
this
process,
and
so
what
we've
done
and
a
lot
of
this
comes
from
over
time-
and
you
know
during
the
middle
of
this,
we
also
had
the
reimagining
public
safety
effort.
So
we
kind
of
started
in
dsd
is
just
updating
the
ordinance
now
we're
administering
the
ordinance.
F
So
even
our
role
has
kind
of
evolved
through
this,
and
I
just
want
to
take
a
second
to
tell
the
council
and
the
community
that
we
aren't
looking
at
this
as
just
an
ordinance
change.
We've
looked
at
this
as
building
a
program
or
standing
up
a
program
so
and
I'm
not
going
to
read
the
slide
to
you,
but
we
think
that
what
we're
really
talking
about
is
a
combination
of
things
to
make
this
work.
F
F
So
this
isn't
going
to
be
as
bad
as
it
looks,
but
we're
going
to
go
through
the
ordinance
and
that's
why
I
was
moving
quickly,
but
I
do
want
the
council
to
understand
some
of
the
changes.
This
is
the
outline
I'm
not
going
to
hit
all
these
sections,
I'm
going
to
move
through
them
quickly
and
touch
upon
a
few
where
we've
got
some
outstanding
issues.
F
This
is
very
similar
to
the
current
ordnance
outline.
It
is
very
similar
to
the
outline
you
see
in
most
other
cities
in
the
united
states,
so
the
manner
in
which
ordinances
are
constructed
is
pretty
consistent
across
cities.
What's
important
is
the
content
that
goes
in
the
ordinance.
So
that's
what
I
want
to
talk
about
is
some
of
the
the
content
or
some
of
the
things
that
we're
trying
to
make
or
trying
to
you
know,
do
that's
unique
to
asheville.
F
So
again
the
the
the
structure
is
kind
of
the
same
everywhere,
but
the
contents,
what
matters
so
probably
the
most
important
thing
to
enter
this
or
in
this
presentation
with
tonight
is
to
understand
what
applies
where
and
there's
been
a
lot
of
confusion
over
that.
So
there's
basically
two
two
concepts
or
two
standards
in
this
ordinance
and
what
matters
is
where
the
sound
comes
from.
So
the
first
thing
you
have
to
determine
is
who's
producing
the
sound
base.
Once
you
answer
that
question,
you
then
can
apply
what
standard
is
is
applied
to
that
situation.
F
F
F
The
noise
disturbance
standard
is
a
subjective
standard
in
some
respects.
You
know
that
can
be
challenging,
but
in
other
respects
that
allows
the
city
to
use
context
when
enforcing
the
ordinance.
So
the
one
thing
to
keep
in
mind
is
that,
yes,
volume
is
one
of
the
standards
of
the
noise
disturbance
requirement
and
you
can
use
decibel
levels
to
aid
that
finding
but
decibels
aren't
the
sole
determinant
of
whether
or
not
a
noise
violation
exists
and
remember.
This
is
in
residential
situations,
public
space,
a
lot
of
times
unique
things
are
occurring.
F
F
The
noise
disturbance
standard
allows
for
context
when
you
evaluate
a
noise
complaint,
and
we
got
to
that
through.
Our
equity
analysis
is
the
noise.
The
kid
roller
skating
in
the
hall
is
that
somebody
that
doesn't
that
works
a
third
shift
and
is
playing
music.
Can
it
be
solved
with
a
conversation
rather
than
a
citation?
F
F
The
objective
decibel
standard
is
a
little
more
straightforward
and
that
provides
more
clarity.
So
again,
this
is
for
noise
that
originates
in
commercial
districts,
so
you're
looking
at
businesses
industries
things
of
that
nature
on
the
table,
you
can
see
the
we've
included
the
original
staff
recommendations,
which
are
kind
of
hashed
out
in
gray
and
then
in
blue.
You
can
see
the
changes
that
were
recommended
by
the
public
safety
committee
and
essentially,
what
we're
doing
is
we're
measuring
sound
at
the
receiver's
property.
So
again
it's
originating
in
a
commercial
district.
We
measure
at
the
receiver's
property.
F
I
always
like
to
say
this
on
your
own
property.
You
can
be
as
loud
as
you
want.
There
are
no
limits
to
your
own
property.
You
can
be
as
loud
for
as
long
as
you
want.
What
this
is
about
is
how
loud
can
you
be
on
somebody
else's
property?
So
that's
really
important
to
remember
and
what
we've
always
in
conversations
with
businesses
is
basically,
if
you're,
if
you're
a
business,
and
you
can
calibrate
your
business
to
meet
these
standards
at
your
property
line.
You
really
don't
have
anything
to
worry
about
beyond
that.
F
So,
basically,
if
I'm
in
the
middle
of
a
residential
area,
it's
a
universal
decimal
level
that
I
can
say,
businesses
can't
exceed
that
in
this
residential
area.
That's
really
difficult.
In
these
transition
areas
in
asheville,
nine
percent
of
residentially's
own
properties
abut
a
commercial
industrial
or
central
business
district.
So
those
nine
percent
of
residential
properties
are
right
on
the
transition
and
that's
been
an
area.
That's
really
difficult
to
pin
down
a
decimal
level
that
works
for
the
business,
but
also
works
deeper
into
the
neighborhood.
F
That's
a
challenge,
that's
one
of
my
things
that
need
to
be
addressed.
Slide!
That's
coming
up
later,
we'll
talk
about
and
the
last
thing
just
on
these
decimal
levels.
I
want
to
take
a
second
to
say
this
too,
is
you
know
the
staff
worked
hard
to
come
up
with
these
recommendations,
we've
benchmarked
against
other
cities.
We
have
spoken
to
the
enforcement
staff
in
raleigh,
charlotte
and
wilmington.
F
We
have
taken
with
a
type
2
decimal
meter,
we've
taken
more
than
90
individual
decimal
readings
in
this
city
over
the
past
two
years,
and
we've
also
taken
ambient
sound,
modeling
and
correlated
that
with
asphalt
zoning
districts
to
get
a
feel
for
what
ambient
sound
is
in
asphalt.
So
we've
tried
to
base
these
decibel
levels
on
assessment
measurement
and
benchmarking
with
other
cities,
and
this
is
just
a
snapshot
of
the
benchmarking,
but
we
have
looked
at
more
than
20
municipal
ordinances
over
the
course
of
this
process.
F
Everybody
does
it
different.
These
are
some
of
our
neighbors
here
that
are
closer
than
others,
some
in
red,
as
you
see,
they
measure
the
sound
from
the
businesses
property
line.
Some
in
blue
you
see
measure
the
sound
from
the
receiver's
property
line.
Neither
way
is
right
or
wrong.
You
just
got
to
get
the
decibel
levels
right
for
whatever
you
choose
in
a
quick
point
of
clarification,
the
sound
isn't
a
mac,
so
it's
an
average.
So
the
way
it's
measured-
and
this
is
usually
this-
is
common
in
most
jurisdictions.
F
Is
you
take
a
meter
and
you
measure
an
average?
So
if
there's
a
peak,
if
the
decibel
hits
80
just
for
a
second,
the
average
is
probably
still
going
to
be
much
lower
than
that.
So
it's
not
it's
not
an
indication
of.
Did
I
hit
75
decibels,
one
time
it's
am.
I
averaging
75
decibels
over
the
course
of
a
minute
or
longer
sound
measurement,
and
I
just
I'm
actually
going
to
skip
this.
I
just
told
you
all
this,
so
that's
one
slide.
We
can
go
through
real
quickly,
prohibitions.
F
I
won't
spend
much
time
on
this
either.
Every
ordinance
has
a
set
of
prohibitions
and
exceptions,
we're
not
changing
a
lot.
I
do
want
to
point
out
two
things
that
we're
recommending
be
changed.
One
is
we
want
to
address
people
that
are
intentionally
projecting
sound
into
other
spaces
to
attract
business.
That's
the
idea
of
putting
a
speaker
in
your
window
at
one
in
the
morning
and
pointing
to
the
street
some
more
people
come
to
your
place.
Not
many
places
do
that,
but
a
few.
F
The
other
thing
is
we
want
to.
We
were
proposing
to
prohibit,
amplified
sound
within
150
feet
of
a
public
school
or
a
healthcare
facility.
Those
are
places
where
services
are
happening
and
quiet
is
important
for
those
services
exceptions.
I
got
to
spend
a
minute
on
this.
One
of
the
noise
issues,
as
you
remember,
was
fireworks.
That
came
up
a
lot,
so
we
have
worked
with
in
the
current
ordinance.
F
F
This
is
my
day
job
construction,
noise.
This
is
what
we
do
in
dsd,
but
not
a
lot
of
changes
in
this
again.
Just
so
everybody
knows,
construction
can
occur
monday
through
saturday
7
a.m
to
17
7
p.m.
It
happens
after
that.
It
needs
a
permit
and
we're
managing
that
process.
There's
a
lot
of
construction
in
asheville.
So
there
is
a
lot
of
noise
associated
with
that,
but
there
are
limits
that
are
in
place
for
that
permitting.
F
When
we
started
this,
we
proposed
two
types
of
permits:
one
for
music
venues,
one
for
what's
called
sound
exceedance.
We
have
dropped
the
music
venue
permit.
That
didn't
seem
like
an
appropriate
manner
to
handle
some
of
the
noise
complaints
that
we
were
receiving.
We
have
maintained
the
sound
accedence
permit.
I've
got
to
take
a
second
to
explain
this.
So
sound
exceedance
is
the
permit
that
allows
you
to
exceed
the
decibel
levels,
but
by
their
very
nature
some
events
are
going
to
be
louder
than
those
decimal
levels
that
I
showed.
F
F
The
first
is,
if
you
have
an
annual
party-
and
you
just
want
to
be
loud-
that's
great.
Maybe
it's
a
non-profit
fundraiser
come
to
the
city,
get
a
permit.
You'll
provide
notice
to
neighbors
you'll.
Have
your
event.
If
you
do
events
more
frequently,
you
would
be
a
type
two.
That's
between
three
and
eight
events.
Again,
this
is
to
allow
you
to
exceed
the
decimal
levels.
F
Does
it
doesn't
limit
your
number
of
events?
Does
it
make
your
event
stop
at
a
certain
time
it
controls
how
long
and
how
often
you
can
exceed
the
decibel
levels
in
this
case
we're
asking
for
the
permit
and
what's
called
a
sound
impact
plan.
That's
just
we're
going
to
ask
you.
Are
you
pointing
your
speakers
at
your
neighbor's
house
and
things
like
that?
Just
want
to
make
sure
you're
setting
up
the
event
in
a
way
that
minimizes
sound
impact
and
finally,
there's
a
bigger
category.
F
This
is
limited
to
venues
or
properties
that
are
permitted
as
a
performance
center.
We
have
a
use
in
the
udo
called
a
performance
center
that
allows
you
to
do
outdoor
concerts,
there's
a
number
or
outdoor
performances.
It
has
to
be
a
concert
there's
a
number
of
those
venues
in
the
city
that
are
permitted
to
operate
in
that
manner.
So
we
have
created
this
larger
tier
and
limited
limited
it
to
those
venues
and
are
asking
they
do
a
professional,
sound
impact
plan.
F
One
thing
I
would
probably
recommend
is
with
this
noise
ordinances.
Is
there
probably
needs
to
be
a
look
at
how
we're
allowing
performance
centers,
because
there
really
no
standards
for
those
right
now
in
terms
of
any
mitigation
or
potential
land
use
impact.
So
we
may
want
to
take
a
look
in
the
future
at
where
the
city's
allowing
outdoor
performance
centers
and
how
they're
allowing
them.
F
F
Penalties
we
continue
to
have
civil
citations.
We've
increased
the
amounts
of
those
again.
Our
goal
is
not
to
be
punitive.
This
is
the
last
resort.
Additionally,
there's
some
enforcement
mechanisms
around
the
sound
exceedance
permit
and
we've
created
a
process
where,
if
you're
not
doing
what
you're
supposed
to
do,
that,
permit
can
eventually
be
revoked
typical
language
and
ordinance
for
violations
and
appeals.
There
is
a
way
to
appeal
a
violation
in
this
ordinance
right
now.
It
goes
to
me
so
I'm
not
so
sure
about
that,
but
that's
that's
how
we
laid
it
out.
F
F
This
is
where
we're
at
now
we're
going
to
hopefully
get
better
at
this
and
take
more
of
this
off
of
apd.
I
do
want
to
recognize
and
thank
apd
for
helping
us
with
some
of
these
complaints.
Just
90
percent
of
noise
complaints
happen
outside
of
dsd's
business
hours,
so
we're
actually
only
working
10
of
the
noise
complaints.
F
So
apd
has
really
helped
us
manage
some
of
that
after
hours
activity,
not
to
say
that
we
haven't
been
doing
that
ourselves,
but
this
is
what
it
would
look
like
initially
and
that
that's
again
as
we
continue
to
move
into
this
and
and
work
with
apd
to
transition,
this
more
and
more
that'll
move
to
the
dsd
staff.
F
A
couple
more
slides
almost
done
so
I
just
want
to
take
a
second
so
resident
to
resident.
This
is
just
an
example,
so
this
is
what
this
could
look
like,
and
I
think
this
is
important
again.
This
is
remember
the
noise
disturbance
standards,
so
these
are
the
subjective
standards
where
we
have
the
five
criteria
that
staff
can
apply.
The
first
thing
we're
going
to
ask
people
to
do
is
talk
to
the
neighbor.
F
Not
everybody
feels
comfortable
and
that's
okay,
but
a
lot
of
people
do
maybe
it's
through
a
homeowners
association.
Maybe
it's
through
a
property
manager,
but
the
first
thing
people
should
do
is
have
a
conversation
with
the
person.
That's
making
the
noise
and
we'll
provide
information,
strategies
and
tips
for
doing
that
successfully,
but
that's
the
best
way
to
solve
a
lot
of
problems.
F
First,
then,
if
you
have
to
move
to
a
formal
warning
and
then
if
you
still
have
to
eventually
maybe
move
to
civil
citations,
but
that's
really
a
last
resort
and
that
would
be
reserved
for
chronic
noise
offenders
or
violators
similar
situation,
really
the
kind
of
same
concept.
Remember:
it's
objective,
decimal
levels,
though
so
in
this
situation
we've
got
a
business,
that's
creating
noise,
perhaps
into
a
residential
area.
Same
thing:
go
talk
to
the
business
owner.
F
I've
found
that
a
lot
of
business
owners
probably
don't
know
that
they're
causing
an
issue
and
usually
we'll
take
steps
to
mitigate
that,
not
all,
but
most.
If
not,
dsd
gets
involved.
You
know
we
educate.
We
try
to
make
sure
everybody
understands.
This
is
a
little
easier
because
it's
objective
standards
but
to
make
sure
everybody
understands
and
hopefully
corrects
the
violation.
If
not,
we
move
into
the
enforcement
provisions.
F
So
basically
this
is
the
last
slide.
This
is
this
is
where
the
hard
work,
I
think,
kind
of
remains
in
this
process.
These
are
some
of
the
areas
that
we
have
not
got.
Total
consensus
on
we've
gotten
a
lot
of
agreement
on
a
lot
of
things,
but
these
are
areas
where
I
think
the
stakeholders
are
just
not
together
decimal
levels.
F
You'll
probably
hear
some
comments
tonight,
there's
different
opinions
on
what
the
decimal
level
should
be.
As
staff
we've
tried
to
find
middle
ground
based
on
the
research
and
the
work
we've
done,
I
think
there's
still
the
specific
instance
of
where
residential
abuts
commercial
and
the
idea
of
like
a
universal
residential
decibel
limit.
We're
not
opposed
to
that.
We
just
got
to
figure
out
what
that
number
is
and
how
to
handle
the
transition
areas.
F
When
does
night
start?
Is
it
10?
Is
it
midnight
there's
always
a
lot
of
discussion
over
when,
because
at
night
things
get
more
restrictive
and
then
finally,
around
the
sound
exceedance
permitting
is
how
many
events
are?
Okay,
how
loud
should
it
be
able
to
be,
and
then
how
long
should
it
be
able
to
go?
F
One
thing
that
all
the
stakeholders
agree
on
based
on
you
know
we're
coming
out
of
covet
right
now
and
a
lot
of
economic
challenges.
I
think
everybody
agrees
that
the
actual
effective
date
of
the
ordinance
probably
needs
to
be
six
months
later
in
the
year
at
a
later
date,
and
then
in
that
interim
period,
we'd
like
to
continue
to
collect
data
and
make
sure
we've
got
this
right
and
I'm
sorry
I
took
so
long.
But
I
can
answer
any
questions.
You
have.
F
We'd
like
to
have
it
back
at
your
late
summer,
so
perhaps
a
whenever
an
available
meeting
is
is
on
the
schedule.
Maggie.
B
Thank
you
ben
great
job
over
the
last
couple
years.
I
know
a
lot
of
effort
has
gone
into
this,
both
on
your
part
in
the
communities.
F
I
think
what
what
staff
would
like
to
do
is
is
commit
to
this
new
ordinance
and
go
ahead
and
put
it
in
place
and
then
in
that
delayed
effect.
It
doesn't
matter
to
me
honestly
what
it's
called-
it's
probably
probably
fine,
but
then,
if,
if
somehow,
we've
got
something
wrong
or
incorrect,
then
certainly
bring
it
back
and
have
those
corrections
made.
A
I
had
a
question
under
the
exemptions
you
mentioned
fireworks
and
I'm
not
talking
about
the
tourist
ballpark,
but
how
would
the
new
ordinance
change
regarding
fireworks?
We
did
get
a
lot
of
complaints
about
fireworks,
especially
in
the
west
asheville
area.
It
seemed
like
to
me
last
year
so
tell
tell
me
what
the
difference
would
be
under
this
ordinance.
F
So
this
ordinance
exempts
legally
permitted
fireworks.
The
these
are.
These
are
professional.
Fireworks
shows
that
they're
done
by
the
organization,
if
you
are
doing
illegal
fireworks,
they're
not
exempt
by
the
ordinance,
because
they're
not
allowed
to
begin
with.
So
again,
this
is
an
exemption
specific
to
illegal
to
legal
permitted.
Fireworks.
A
So
if
you
were
to
leave,
you
would
have
to
come,
get
a
permit
to
do
your
fireworks
display
or
whatever
yes,
okay
and
then
can
you
can
you
tell
me
right
now
kind
of
what
your
volume,
no
pun
intended
of
calls
per
year,
is
regarding
noise,
complaints
or
or
apd's.
F
F
F
I
think
it's
topography,
sound
I've
learned
that
sound
is
really
strange
in
asheville
the
way
it
travels.
I
also
think
there's
systemic
noise
issues
that
if
we
address
some
of
those,
I
think
we
could
put
a
real,
so
repeat,
repeat
offenders
and
we
have
the
data.
Apd
has
given
us
access
where
we
can
track
that,
and
we
can
identify
repeat
and
systemic
noise
issues
and
actually
be
more
proactive
to
try
and
address
those,
and
I
think,
that'll,
help
too.
A
Any
other
questions
this
is
kind
of
a
I
just
would
mention.
This
is
kind
of
a
good
opportunity
to
let
ben
know
if
there's
something
in
particular,
we
had
concerns
about
that.
We
saw
in
this
presentation
or
we
really
aren't
going
to
be
able
to
live
with.
I
mean
he's
given
us
quite
a
list
of
things
they're
still
trying
to
work
out,
but
but
if
there's
something
else
that
we're
we're
going
to
get
hung
up
on,
it'd
be
a
good
idea
to
give
a
heads
up.
H
I
had
a
question
speaking
with
several
neighbors
that
had
concerns
the
sound
exceedance
permits
when
we
do
review
it.
Could
we
possibly
see
that,
as
a
almost
like
a
heat
map
to
see
not
only
like
how
many
we
permitted,
but
where.
F
H
The
other
thing
I
would
say
is
I'm
a
little
concerned
that
we
would
wait
until
september
to
start
because
I'm
worried
that
we're
not
we're
missing
an
opportunity
to
test
out
what
summertime
noise
looks
like
and
sounds
like.
F
We
we
are,
we
already
are
tracking
noise
complaints
and
we
we
have,
even
though
we
can't
respond
as
this
ordinance
is
written.
We
are
tracking
and
collecting
data,
as
if
this
were
the
ordinance,
so
we
were
actually
kind
of
using
this
as
a
basis
for
what
we're
doing
again.
Although
there's
tools
in
this
that
we
just
don't
have
now
that
kind
of
hinders
some
of
our
ability
to
force
a
noise.
B
Ordinance
two
things,
a
question
and
a
comment
comment.
I'm
quite.
I
am
concerned
about
the
sound
exceedance,
permanent
violation,
the
365-day
revocation
of
ability
to
have
any
kind
of
music.
I
just
feel
like
that's
a
pretty
large
jump
from
a
two-week
suspension
and
then
putting
someone's
potential
business
at
risk
for
a
year.
I
just
wanted
to
voice
that
question.
I
saw
somewhere
I'm
trying
to
get
to
the
slide
about
vehicles
driving
around
projecting
sound.
B
F
Correct,
that's
right,
not
not
intended
to
be
a
normal
person
playing
playing
their
radio.
You
know
it's
intended
to
be
a
commercial
vehicle
that
that's
producing
sound
to
you
know
to
create
commercial,
business
or
commerce.
So
it's
defined.
I
don't
have
the
definition
in
front
of
me,
but
it's
written
in
a
way.
That's
the
intent
of
it
am.
F
A
A
Okay,
all
right
any
so
this
is
not
gonna
go
back
to
another
subcommittee.
This
will
just
come
back
to
council.
What
sounds
like
with
some
tweaks
to
address
the
several
outstanding
concerns
or
things
to
be
decided
anyway.
F
A
J
Good
evening
and
thank
you
mayor
actually,
I
have
two
reports
that
I
want
to
provide
for
you
all
this
evening.
One
will
be
on
just
an
update
on
our
efforts
related
to
reparations
the
speaker
series
and
talk
about
what
the
next
steps
are,
and
the
second
part
of
my
presentation
will
be
actually
handed
off
to
the
chief
of
police
who's
going
to
provide
you
with
a
similar
presentation
that
he
made
at
the
public
safety
committee
around
policing
activities
and
some
of
the
crime
data.
J
So
I'm
going
to
try
to
step
through
my
part
as
quickly
as
possible
and
again,
the
reparations
initiative
is
a
result
of
a
resolution
that
was
passed
on
july
14
2020
by
the
asheville
city
council,
supporting
community
reparations
for
black
asheville
in
february
the
city
manager
provided
to
council
as
well
as
I
guess,
I'm
the
city
manager.
I
don't
have
to
say
to
me-
I
provided
you
all
with
the
presentation
outlining
some
initial
steps
at
us.
J
Looking
at
this
important
initiative
in
our
community
and
in
fact,
the
resolution
directed
the
manager
to
develop
the
the
process.
J
At
the
february
presentation,
I
recommended
a
three-phase
process.
The
first
phase
we've
completed
in
terms
of
the
information
sharing
and
truth-telling,
we
will
be
moving
into
the
second
phase
very
shortly
and
phase
three
will
happen.
Kind
of
after
the
commission
has
been
been
formed
and
their
work
is
being
done
and
underway
and
then
bringing
back
recommendations
to
elected
officials,
the
speaker
series
and
participation.
As
you
know,
we
divided
the
speaker
series
into
three
parts
june
3rd
was
the
past
policies
and
practices.
J
J
They
could
call
in
they
could
watch
it
on
video
and
you
can
see
from
the
numbers.
The
favorite
option
was
to
watch
it
on
youtube.
J
J
10Th
was
kind
of
the
present
analysis
of
where
we
are,
particularly
as
it
relates
to
disparities
and
then
june
17th
was,
I
thought
personally
one
of
the
one
of
the
best
panels,
because
it
was
local,
all
local
people
and
really
spoke
from
their
heart
and
and
talked
about
what
asheville's
future
can
be
about.
J
J
They
did
something
both
before
and
after
the
event
to
kind
of
get
us
level
set.
I
guess,
and
in
chemeketa
ebony
helped
us
with
community
engagement
strategies
and
then
city
of
asheville
staff,
and
I
guess,
as
a
city
manager,
I
really
shouldn't
be
calling
out
names
of
staff,
because
there
was
a
lot
of
staff
that
helped
with
this
initiative.
But
I'm
going
to
take
an
executive
privilege
to
name
two
who
went
above
and
beyond
and
that's
jamie
matthews
and
chris
coyle.
J
This
event
could
not
have
happened
without
those
two
staff
people,
but
there
are
lots
of
other
other
departments
and
city
staff.
Please
don't
don't
be
mad
at
me.
If
I
don't
mention
you
directly
also
on
june
8th
at
our
last
council
meeting,
you
all
passed
a
resolution
and
budget
amendment
and
the
amount
of
2.1
million
dollars
to
help
us
kind
of
seed.
J
The
critical
paths
will
be
compiling
the
information
that
we
got
from
our
speaker
series.
That
is
all
of
those
nuggets
of
insight
and
vision
and
passion
about
addressing
the
disparities
and
even
initiatives
about
what
we
can
as
a
community
do
to
address
those
issues.
We'll
be
developing
a
request
for
proposals
to
recruit.
We
hope
a
project
manager,
and
this
will
be
a
firm
that
will
provide
the
staff
support,
that's
needed
to
support
the
reparations
commission.
J
I
I
just
cannot
imagine
our
current
staff
being
able
to
absorb
this
workload,
so
we
will
definitely
have
to
have
some
support
and
then
staff
will
make
recommendations,
which
is
probably
the
most
important
part
of
this
process,
which
is
the
selection
of
the
commission
members
and
how
that
process
will
follow.
And
I
think
there
was
a
question
at
our
last
council
meeting
about
whether
the
county
commission
would
be
a
part
of
this
process
and
and
yes,
we'll
be
working
with
county
staff
to
finalize
that
process
and
then.
J
Lastly,
I
want
to
thank
our
event:
sponsors
the
explorer
asheville
buncombe
county
tourism,
development
authority,
mckibben,
hospitality
and
and
duke
energy.
There
was.
There
was
a
little
bit
of
a
comment
at
our
last
council
meeting
about
the
tda
being
a
part
of
this
process.
I'm
actually
glad
that
they
were
willing
to
support
our
effort
as
well
as
the
the
other
contributors.
J
I
think
they
are
making
a
statement
about
their
commitment
to
our
community
and
to
this
initiative.
I
hope
that
this
won't
be
the
last
time
that
they'll
be
participating
or
contributing,
and
so
with
that
I
will
take
any
questions
if
you
all
have
them,
otherwise,
I
will
turn
it
over
to
the
chief
of
police
to
give
you
an
update
on
crime.
Yes,
thank.
K
You
deborah,
I
had
a
comment
concerning
another
level
of
outreach
for
information
sharing
and
truth
telling,
if
we're
using
information,
we're
compiling
the
information
from
the
panelists
and
community
members
in
order
to
inform
our
next
steps.
Do
you
really
really
believe
that
we
had
enough
discussion
around
policy
and
do
you
believe
we
had
enough
representation
from
the
the
larger
black
community
in
order
to
move
to
form
the
commission
and
them
taking
the
information
in
order
to
bring
back
recommendations
to
council?
So.
J
J
I
would
recommend
to
the
project
manager
and
to
the
commission
that
they
consistently
have
ongoing
information
sharing
and
truth
telling,
as
they
do
their
work,
that
the
community
be
a
sounding
board,
particularly
when
they
come
up
with
recommendations
prior
to
them.
Making
recommendations
to
the
to
the
elected
officials.
J
Did
we
get
enough
participation?
I
don't
think
we
can
ever
have
enough
participation
around
this
particular
issue.
We
will
do
our
best
as
a
staff
to
improve
on
the
attendance
and
to
try
as
many
other
avenues
and
venues
of
reaching
the
public
and
encouraging
and
soliciting
their
participation.
J
K
Yeah,
I
think
I
think
we
heard
a
overwhelming
amount
of
feedback
during
the
last
session,
where
people
wanted
a
dialogue
and
the
thomas
wolfe
auditorium
and
the
panel
it
didn't
really
it
didn't
really
massage
dialogue
and
in
dialogue.
You
get
the
stories
and
you
know
it's
more.
A
personal
touch.
Sure.
J
K
J
A
I
I
just
wanted
to
you
know
there
are
only
a
handful
of
communities
even
embarking
on
this
journey,
and
so
we
are,
I
mean
we
are.
We
are
figuring
this
out
and
we
are
even
creating
a
model.
Maybe
others
may
follow,
and
I
want
to
commend
you
and
your
staff
for
this
first
part
of
the
process
and
designing
this
conversation
and
involving
all
these
different
speakers
who
came
and
participated
because
you
know
there
isn't
a
road
map
for
us
like
there
are
so
many
other
things.
J
Thank
you
anything
else.
Okay.
Well
we're
going
to
shift
gears
now
to
have
chief
david
zach,
come
up
and
provide
you
with
again.
This
is
this
similar
presentation
that
he
provided
to
the
public
safety
committee,
so
we'll
apologize
for
the
committee
members
having
to
hear
this
again,
but
I
will
turn
it
over
to
teach
that.
Thank
you.
Man,
you're,
welcome.
L
There
we
go.
Thank
you
good
evening,
mayor
members
of
council
city
staff,
as
ms
campbell
stated.
I
did
give
this
presentation
earlier
today
for
public
safety
and
she
felt
that
it
was
important
enough
that
I
share
it
with
full
council
this
evening.
L
Our
key
takeaways,
hopefully,
is
just
to
explain
how,
over
the
past
10
years,
asheville
has
experienced
an
increase
in
violent
crime.
However,
that
trend
is
similar,
an
on
trend
with
other
major
metropolitan
cities
in
north
carolina,
like
raleigh,
charlotte
mecklenburg
and
greenville.
L
We
continue
to
work
with
our
other
city
departments
and
our
community
partners
to
take
proactive
steps
to
address
and
reimagine
the
role
of
apd
in
public
safety,
and
that,
despite
our
current
staffing
shortages,
apd
is
still
very
aggressively.
Developing
and
working
on
strategies
to
address
violent
crime
and
other
types
of
crime.
L
The
situation
in
north
carolina
is
much
like
that
in
the
rest
of
the
united
states,
except
for
in
2019,
where
you
saw
as
crime
was
falling,
especially
violent
crime
across
the
country
was
falling.
There
was
kind
of
a
sharp
uptick
in
2019
in
the
state
of
north
carolina.
So
whether
that's
an
anomaly
why
that
happened?
L
I
think
it's
hard
to
say
right
now,
especially
when
we,
you
know
when
the
2020
data
comes
out,
because
we
all
know
that
year
has
also
been
an
anomaly,
so
whether
that
trend
continues
outside
the
national
averages,
we
won't
know
until
more
data
comes
in,
but
to
kind
of
rely
on,
2020
data
might
be,
might
be
difficult
as
well.
L
What
this
graphic
shows
is
really
just
overall
crime.
This
is
everything
part,
one
part
two
crime
in
the
city
and
what
you
can
see
is
from
2014.
You
know
we're
not
seeing
the
the
the
ebb
and
flow
like
you
saw
on
the
national
chart
or
the
even
the
north
carolina
chart,
you're,
seeing
here
in
the
city,
just
kind
of
a
steady
rise
of
overall
crime
from
2011
to
2020.
It
represents
roughly
a
45
percent
increase
in
overall
crime,
but
you
could
really
see
again
from
2014
on
all
the
way
to
2019
a
steady
rise.
L
And
here's
that
chart
once
again
we're
talking
about
you
know
basically
burglaries
larcenies,
motor
vehicle
theft,
vehicle
theft,
arson
property,
crime,
kind
of
a
steady
increase
from
2014
to
2019,
and
then
you
see
a
little
bit
of
the
drop
off
there
in
2020.,
not
so
for
violent
crime.
These
include
murder,
rape,
robbery
aggravated
assault.
Basically,
you
see
from
2015
on
just
a
steady
rise,
slow
rise
in
crime
to
2020
for
violent.
L
L
Recently,
the
major
city
chiefs
association
found
that
homicide
rose
by
more
than
32
percent
in
66
major
cities
from
2019
to
2020..
Fortunately,
for
our
city,
we
have
not
seen
an
explosion
of
homicide.
It's
it's
pretty
much
stayed
relatively
level,
probably
between
seven
and
12
per
year
over
the
last
five
years.
So
we
have
not
seen
that
sort
of
explosion
in
violence
in
2020
we
did
have
10
people
killed
in
2021.
L
L
That's
how
often
these
crimes
get
solved
and
you
can
see
with
apd
we're
very
consistent
with
our
clearance
rights
with
what's
happening
nationwide,
so
the
homicides
that
we
have
the
murders
that
we
have,
that
we
have
been
able
to
bring
people
to
justice
successfully.
L
As
far
as
gun
violence
goes
currently,
we
have
had
18
people
shot
this
year.
That
is
slightly
down
from
21
at
this
time.
A
year
ago,
apd
since
january,
1st
we've
taken
114
guns
off
the
street.
These
thank
you.
L
We
have
seized
114
guns
since
the
first
year.
These
are
guns
that
have
been
taken
into
evidence
that
have
been
used
in
the
commission
of
crime.
So,
despite
our
reduced
staff,
we've
even
taken
more
guns
off
the
street
than
we
did
a
year
ago,
and
we
hope
that
trend
will
continue.
L
This
is
still
a
major
area
of
concern
for
us,
and
these
are
our
calls
for
gun
discharges
within
the
city,
as
you
can
see
again
from
2018
on,
we've
seen
a
significant
rise
in
the
number
of
calls
that
our
officers
have
to
to
to
respond
to
because
of
a
gun
being
discharged
and
again
in
red
there.
You
can
see
the
number
of
people
that
have
been
hit
by
gunfire
in
our
city
and
again,
a
significant
rise
from
2019
to
2020
and
unfortunately,
we're
pretty
close
to
that
number
year
to
date
in
2021.
L
As
we
get
into
our
traffic
enforcement
efforts,
you
can
see-
and
I
was
asked
this
earlier
today,
like
boy
what
happened
in
2019
as
far
as
the
issuance
or
the
number
of
traffic
stops,
that
apd
was
performing
and,
of
course
this
number
predates
my
arrival
here,
but
according
to
deputy
chief
yelten,
who
led
this
effort
back
in
in
2019
in
2018,
the
city
of
asheville
led
the
state
in
injury
crashes,
fatal
crashes,
pedestrians
struck,
so
it
was
a
huge
issue
in
2018
and
they
looked
at
data
and
it
was
really
important
to
step
up
enforcement
efforts.
L
So
enforcement
efforts
increased
heavily
in
in
2019
and,
of
course,
the
the
end
result
of
that
was.
There
was
a
significant
drop
in
those
fatal
crashes,
pedestrian
struck
and
injury
accidents
and
then,
of
course,
just
like
everything
else,
2020
hit
and
and
the
world
changed.
We
had
to
really
adjust
our
proactive
traffic
enforcement
again,
mostly
because
of
of
covid
and
the
risk
of
exposure
to
infection,
not
only
between
you
know
our
officers
and
and
motorists,
but
we
had
to
be
very,
very
concerned
about
a
major
outbreak
within
the
police
department
of
infection.
L
So
our
proactive
efforts
were
really
significantly
rolled
back
in
2020,
which
accounts
for
the
decline.
As
we
look
into
2021
you
can
see.
This
is
really
the
result
of
staffing
being
reduced
to
the
level
that
it
has.
I
don't
need
to
go
into
that.
We
we've
discussed
that
at
length,
but
again
with
fewer
officers.
L
Proactive
enforcement
suffers
greatly,
but
also
a
part
of
that
as
well
has
to
do
with
our
really
laser-like
focus
on
violent
crime,
where
we're
really
putting
a
lot
of
our
effort
in
that
direction.
L
Inconsistent
with
the
number
of
stops
is
going
to
be
the
number
of
citations,
and-
and
this
again
just
is
a
graphic
that
depicts
the
heavy
enforcement
effort
in
2019
that
was
successful
in
reducing
those
crashes
and
fatal
accidents
and
pedestrian
struck.
But
again
2020
is
covid
and
you
know,
year
to
date,
we've
only
issued
700
tickets
in
a
six
month
period.
So
that's
an
extraordinarily
and
historically
low
number
without
question.
L
So
when
we
talk
about
citations,
what
are
we
writing
for?
What
this
graphic
depicts
is?
You
know,
60
of
all,
of
the
stops
that
we
make
in
the
citations
that
we
issue
have
to
do
with
moving
violations,
red
lights,
stop
signs,
speeding,
that
sort
of
thing,
regulatory
violations
account
for
about
23
percent
and
then
and
that's
your
no
registration,
no
insurance,
no
inspection
when
those
citations
are
issued,
so
that
accounts
for
about
23
of
our
stops,
and
then
you
know
the
rest
of
the
way.
K
I
have
a
question
for
you:
there
were
114
guns
seized
since
2021
200
guns
were
seized
in
2020
from
a
lot
of
the
stories
we
see
promoted
on
through
the
media.
Those
aren't
only
gun
seizures,
but
also
drug
seizure.
I
mean
drug
money
seizures.
So
what
happens
with
the
money
here,
because
in
some
cities
they
take
the
money,
that's
once
used
to
facilitate
the
flow
of
drugs
and
they
put
that
money
back
into
the
community
to
stand
up
or
help
support
community
programs.
What
do
we
do
with
the
money
here?.
L
Again,
a
lot
of
that
that,
if
that
money
is
seized
that
goes
into
the
asset
forfeiture
fund,
that
money
can
be
turned
around
it
can
it
can
be
used
for
a
variety
of
issues
we
can
devote
some
of
that.
L
There
are
very
specific
regulations
as
to
what
that
that
seizure
money
can
be
used
for
some
of
that
can
be
funneled
towards
drug
and
gun
drug
reduction
programs
to
a
small
degree,
and
also
for
gun,
violence
and
so
forth,
but
also
for
the
purchase
of
equipment.
So
there's
a
there's
a
lit
long
laundry
list,
but
there
are
quite
a
few
restrictions
on
how
that
money
can
be
repurposed.
Okay,.
K
B
L
Well,
really,
it
comes
down
to
the
level
of
cooperation.
Also,
you
know
we've
really
received
and
I'll
go
into
that
in
a
short
bit
is
the
anonymous
tip
line
that
we've
set
up
has
been
extremely
effective.
We
have
a
very
active
citizenry
here
who
really
do
want
to
get
involved
and
do
want
to
help
us
and
what
we're
seeing
since
we've
installed
that
tip
line
back
in
december
of
2020.
L
When,
when
we
have
a
very
serious
incident,
we
put
the
information
out
there,
we
do
get
response
and
it's
been
very
encouraging
and
it's
been
really
helping
us
direct
investigations
early
on
because
those
first
early
hours
after
you
know
a
gun,
violence
situation,
that's
when
you're
going
to
be
most
effective
in
your
investigation
and
when
you
have
people
calling
in
and
pointing
us
in
the
right
direction
early,
it
really
improves
your
clearance
rate
and
we've
had
tremendous
success
with
that
anonymous
tip
line,
and
then,
but
there
are
other
circumstances
as
well
that
that
can
affect
those
clearance
rates.
L
You
know
sometimes
there's
going
to
be
no
witnesses
other
times,
there's
many
witnesses
there.
There
are
a
lot
of
factors
in
play.
B
Thank
you
one
additional
comment.
I
appreciate
you
bringing
this
to
the
full
council,
I'm
not
able
to
attend
the
public
safety
meetings
and
I
go
back
and
watch
them
sometimes,
but
I
think
the
general
in
general
the
community
would
like
to
hear
more
of
this
information.
So
I
appreciate
you
bringing
it
to
us
tonight.
H
If
we
could
go
back
to
the
slide
about
the
traffic
stops,
I
think
it
was
17
or
18
from
today's
public
safety
committee
either
one
of
them
will
work,
but
that
one
works,
so
the
traffic
stops
by
race.
When
I
look
at
the
dashboard
that
you
mentioned
earlier
today,
we're
still
disproportionately
stopping
black
drivers
at
21.2
percent
of
the
stops.
H
So
what
I'm
curious
about
is
if
we
can
look
at
this
as
far
as
how
many
accidents
happened
in
these
years,
whether
it's
any
mode
of
transportation
and
also
population,
to
tell
more
of
a
whole
story
if
actually
stopping
vehicles
results
in
safer
commutes.
L
Population
is
difficult
because
we
do
have
a
tourist
community
here
which
really
reflects
our
flow
of
traffic,
so
to
just
compare
the
population
alone
doesn't
necessarily
paint
an
accurate
picture
also
when
we
have
when
we
look
at
some
of
our
citation,
I'm
not
sure.
If
I'm
answering
your
question,
you
can
tell
me
if
I'm
not,
you
know
when
you
look
at
like
things
like
regulatory
stops
and
things
like
that.
They're,
not
necessarily
regulatory
stops
the
regulatory
citations.
Where
did
we
go
to
an
accident,
and
then
there
were
multiple
citations
issued.
L
So
again,
it's
not
always
traffic
stop
data
is
a
really
deep
dive
and
we're
always
looking
at
it
and
again
different
enforcement
efforts
are
going
to
produce
different
results,
especially
when
we
get
a
request
from
a
community
member
or
so
forth
to
go
to
certain
neighborhoods
and
increase
enforcement
in
certain
neighborhoods
that
could
have
could
create
disparity.
So
it's
traffic
stops
are
very
complicated
issue
and
not
easily
answered
with
just
you
know,
pulling
one
statistic:
it
really
does
require
a
deep
dive.
We
try
to
do
that
as
best
we
can
and
parse
through
the
data.
M
I
just
like
to
ask
a
question.
I
basically
spoken
with
someone
in
the
community
that
was
concerned
about
the
increase
of
illegal
guns
in
the
area,
and
I
was
just
wondering:
are
you
taking
any
extra
steps
to
try
to
figure
out
what
is
going
on
or
how
we
can
work
on
cutting
down.
L
L
But
again
sometimes
you
know
that
trail
goes
cold
after
a
while
there
there
are
a
lot
of
guns
out
there,
but
we
do
try
to
trace
origin
in
sale,
records
and
so
forth
to
try
and
figure
out
how
those
guns
were
obtained.
We
know
a
lot
of
them
have
been
obtained
illegally.
We
know
some
have
been.
Some
have
been
obtained
legally,
there's
a
lot
of
guns
out
there
and
tracking
them
down
is
is
something
that
we
we
definitely
try
to
do.
A
L
Okay,
thank
you
again.
I
get
this
question
all
the
time
whether
it's
phone
messages
left
or
emails
or
just
being
stopped
on
the
street
and
it's
what
can
our
community
do
to
help
out
apd
and
one
thing
we
really
really
want
to
push
hard
and
we
pushed
it
hard
last
month
is
to
really
utilize
our
police-to-citizen
tool
to
report
incidents
online.
L
L
We
can't
rely
on
apd
alone,
so
we're
always
encouraging
folks,
to
you
know,
lock
your
doors,
both
your
home
and
your
vehicle,
and
to
secure
your
belongings.
What
I
can
tell
you
is
is
even
just
last
year
just
talking
hundreds
of
calls
per
year
of
just
vehicles
left,
unlocked
and
items
being
stolen.
That
creates
number
one.
A
large
call
a
lot
of
calls
for
service,
but
also
a
large
number
of
investigations.
L
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
reemphasize
the
the
online
reporting
because,
as
we
all
know,
last
month,
we
did
discuss
some
changes
in
the
service
that
we
were
providing
and
depending
on
how
that
message
was
received.
You
know,
in
some
cases
it
was,
the
sky
was
falling
in
other
cases,
political
theater,
and
it
was
neither
what
we
were
really
trying
to
do
was
really
get
this
tool
up
and
running.
L
That's
why
we
installed
this
tool
and
again
we
installed
it
back
in
may
of
2020,
and
it
just
was
really
not
being
used
at
all,
maybe
just
dozens
of
times
per
month.
So
that
would
just
be
a
big
help
again
if
we
could
get
more
folks
to
just
report
minor
crimes
online,
it's
a
big
help
and
again
the
tip
411.
We
put
this
in
in
december
of
2020.
L
Since
that
time,
we've
received
almost
1100
tips
and
many
have
led
directly
to
or
assisted
in
charges
and
arrests,
whether
it's
shootings
that
we've
had
drug
activity,
other
nefarious
acts
being
reported
to
us
and
has
been
a
huge
help
and
and
just
kind
of
to
give
you
a
recent
incident.
L
We
are
continuing
to
work
with
the
county
very
closely
as
they
work
on
developing
their
community
paramedic
program.
We're
very
involved
in
those
conversations
we're
very
supportive
asheville
city
schools.
We're
meeting
regularly
again,
as
we
discuss
the
roles
of
our
school
resource
officers,
911
consolidation.
L
L
We're
also
looking
into
some
innovative
strategies,
as
it
involves
traffic
crashes,
we're
looking
into
the
possibility
of
bringing
in
crash
reporting
centers,
which
would
really
reduce
again
the
officer
response
to
very
minor
accidents
and
we're
even
looking
into
the
possibility
of
civilian
crash
investigators,
which
I
guess
is
something
that
has
been
rolled
out
in
wilmington.
So
we
were
just
on
the
phone
with
them
last
week
to
kind
of
see
what
exactly
it
is
they're
doing
and
see,
if
that's
even
a
possibility
here,
so
we're
looking
at
every
possible
option
and
every
possible
force
multiplier.
L
L
We've
had
to
reduce
our
proactive
role
there
and
again
that's
for
the
staffing
shortage
certainly
has
contributed
to
that
and
we're
again,
as
I
think,
ben
woody
explained,
you
know,
even
our
city
department
heads
you
know
are
working
very
closely
with
us
to
see
how
we
can
work
together
to
provide
better
public
safety
here
in
the
city,
so
we're
working
with
everybody
we'll
continue
to
work
with
everyone.
Everyone
is
working
extremely
well
with
us
and
we
move
forward.
K
L
L
I
know
it
is
successful,
as
you
said
in
getting
us
to
the
scene,
much
quicker
their
dispatchers
call
in
even
before
someone
will
call
911,
so
we're
already
taking
minutes
off
our
response
time,
just
because
of
the
sound
detection
technology,
not
only
that
the
sound
detection
technology
it
does
coordinate
and
triangulate
the
location
of
where
those
shots
are
fired,
which
then,
when
you're
talking
about
evidence,
collection,
post-incident,
we're
going
to
be
gathering
more
evidence
that
we
may
not
have
been
able
to
obtain
before
which
is
going
to
help
again
in
the
investigation
of
that
crime.
L
L
Here's
here's
here,
I
can
tell
you,
I
can't
remember
exactly
it
depends
again
how
many,
how
much
coverage
you're
looking
for.
So
that's
going
to
be
a
factor.
L
How
much
would
be
required
and
then
all
right,
here's
the
here's
the
bill.
So
then
do
you,
do
you
decide
to
maybe
roll
back
or
you
know?
Do
you
have
an
appetite
for
more?
It
just
really
depends,
and
again
it's
been
quite
a
few
years
since
I've
researched
so
the
price
of
technology.
Sometimes
it
goes
up.
Sometimes
it
goes
down.
L
We'll
see
a
result,
whether
it
would
be
a
long-standing
result
is
another
matter
and
that's
where
our
community
needs
to
become
more
involved
in
those
partnerships
where
we
have
things
in
place
to
prevent
violence
and
to
keep
guns
out
of
people's
hands
in
the
first
place.
So
while
I
think
you
can
certainly
make
a
dent
in
the
current
level
of
violence,
yes,
you
can,
but
a
long-term
strategy
is
going
to
require
more
than
just
that,
and
I
think
we
have
to
keep
that
in
mind.
We.
What
we
want
is
sustained
result.
L
Not
you
know
a
quick
reduction
but
then
to
see
the
gun,
a
crime
and
come
back
up
and
flourish
again,
because
I
think
that's
what
you
see.
So
it's
a
multi-faceted
approach
and
I
think
technology
is.
It
can
play
a
big
role
in
that
and
I
think
we
should
explore
it
and
with
your
blessing
I
will
move
forward
and
we'll
get
more
information
and
because
I
am
very
familiar
with
the
product
and
we
can
start
looking
that
and
at
that
and
just
present
it
down
the
road
and
and
see
what
we
think.
B
One
last
comments
kind
of
question
again.
I
think
this
is
very
helpful
for
the
community
to
see
these
additional
slides
as
well
and
how
things
are
going
and
what
they
can
do
on
their
own
and
these
new
resources
and
technology.
What's
missing,
I'm
fielding
a
lot
of
emails
from
the
community.
What's
going
on,
what
are
the
numbers?
What
are
we
hearing?
What
are
we
seeing?
There
seems
to
be
a
lot
of
media.
B
I'm
curious,
since
this
is
so
informative.
Do
you
have
any
updates
around
staffing?
Have
you
been
able
to
recruit
more?
Do
we
have
a
timeline?
I
think
I
saw
something
about
a
january.
There's
a
large
recruiting
effort
or
50
new
potential
recruits.
I'm
just
curious
if
you
have
that
other
missing
piece
of
how
staffing
is
going.
L
L
So,
if
that's
any
indication,
we
had
seven
that
we
just
put
through
in
our
recent
academy,
two
didn't
make
it
through.
So
we
got
five
replacements,
something
that
we've
talked
about
repeatedly
when
it
comes
to
recruitment
is
where
we
stand
in
the
marketplace,
and
I
know
city
council
is
addressing
that
very
aggressively
which
is
important
because
that's
going
to
be
a
big
piece
of
our
our
recruitment
strategy.
L
We
know
that
north
carolina
is
one
of
the
lower
paid
states
for
police
officer
and
in
western
north
carolina,
it's
particularly
low.
So
I
I
know
we're
stepping
up
to
the
plate
on
the
compensation
issue,
but
you
can
do
all
the
recruitment
in
the
world,
but
if,
if,
if
you're,
not
in
the
marketplace,
you're
going
to
be
at
an
extreme
disadvantage,
I
think
city
council
is
prepared
to
address
that
and
I
think
we're
going
to
have
a
very
much
more
robust.
L
Opportunity
to
to
attract
more
recruits,
but
you
know
we'll
see:
nationwide
recruitment,
it's
it's
not
a
national
issue.
This
nationwide,
every
agency
in
the
country
is
going
through
what
we're
going
through
as
far
as
attracting
people
to
this
profession,
and
we
saw
big
dips
in
recruitment
after
ferguson
and
now,
since
you
know
last
year
again,
nationwide
we've
seen
another
hit
as
far
as
persons
interested
in
getting
into
law
enforcement.
So
it's
tough
all
over
it's
not
just
here.
We've
got
to
address
what
we
can
as
a
community
and
we've
got
to
support
our
police
officers.
L
We've
got
to
pay
them
appropriately
and
we
have
to
seek
out
the
best
candidates
and
when
necessary,
we
have
to
separate
those
who
aren't
doing
the
job
that
we
want
to
do
from
service.
So
it's
all
of
the
above
and
as
long
as
you
know,
we're
putting
out
a
good
product
and
the
compensation
is
there
and
we're
within
the
marketplace.
We'll
have
a
we'll
have
a
better
fighting
chance
right
now.
We
do
not,
but
I
think
we're
getting
there.
A
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
I
appreciate
the
presentation
and
I
do
think
what
it
is
good
that
sometimes
we
elevate
these
presentations
to
the
full
council,
so
we
can
see
some
of
what
our
subcommittees
are
looking
at
and
I
appreciate-
and
we
do
we're
about
to
now-
go
into
the
budget
in
just
a
minute.
But
first
we
have
a
public
hearing.
One
public
hearing
item
item
a
and
I
need
a
motion
to
continue
item
a
to
september.
14
2021..
Do
I
have
a
motion.
This
is
sage.
N
A
Opposed
all
right
so
unfinished
business,
it's
kind
of
an
understatement
when
you're
doing
your
budget
and
we
we're
I'm
sure
we're
going
to
hear
a
little
a
short
presentation
here
about
the
budget
which
might
include
the
process
in
getting
here.
But
just
as
a
reminder
to
folks.
The
public
hearing
on
the
budget
was
at
our
last
city
council
meeting,
which
is
a
statutorily
required
process,
and
that
hearing
has
happened
and
tonight
is
the
vote
on
the
budget.
So
we
don't
take
any
further
public
comment,
but
tony
mcdowell
will
take
it
away.
O
Good
evening,
mayor
and
council,
tony
mcdowell
finance
director,
and
I
was
as
I
was
sitting
in
the
audience
earlier.
I
was
trying
to
remember
if
I've
presented
as
many
times
on
the
budget
has
been
what
he
has
presented
on
the
noise
ordinance.
I
don't,
I
don't
think
so,
but
I
think
we're
getting
pretty
close
this
time.
So
I
think
this
will
be
our
last
presentation.
O
As
the
mayor
mentioned,
we
had
the
public
hearing
two
weeks
ago
and
tonight
is
council
consideration
of
the
budget
ordinance.
So
we
do
have
a
few
slides
to
go
through
and
then
I'll
turn
it
back
over
to
you
all
for
discussion.
O
So
just
a
quick
overview
of
the
budget
and
we've
shared
this
information
with
you
all
before
this
proposed
budget
that
we
brought
to
you
is
based
on
internal
work,
a
lot
of
internal
work
over
the
last
six
to
nine
months
council
priorities
and
also
the
community
input
that
we've
received
along
the
way
as
well
and
it
re,
and
it
represents
a
continuation
of
the
reimagining
public
safety
process
that
we
started
around
a
year
ago.
This
time
the
proposal
is,
is
balanced
and
we
believe
it's
a
fiscally
responsible
budget.
O
It
funds
investments
in
some
city
council's
highest
priorities.
It
does
recommend
a
property
tax
rate
that
is
above
revenue
neutral
to
achieve
some
of
those
investments.
It
also
continues
to
fund
our
core
services
in
a
time
of
rising
costs,
and
it
continues
funding
for
our
multi-year
capital
improvement
program
as
well.
O
O
The
first
of
those-
and
you
all,
are
aware
of
this.
From
the
last
meeting
in
the
initial
proposed
budget
we
brought
to
you
on
on
may
25th.
We
included
a
1.2
million
fund
balance
appropriation
to
further
our
reparations
process
which
included
money
for
planning,
community
community
engagement
and
an
initial
allocation
for
reparations.
O
We
revised
that
plan
and
at
your
last
meeting
on
june,
8th,
you
all
adopted
a
budget
amendment
in
the
current
fiscal
year
to
go
ahead
and
appropriate.
2.1
million
dollars
for
reparations,
utilizing
proceeds
from
the
sale
of
city-owned
land
to
white
labs,
so
we've
taken
that
out
of
next
year's
budget.
O
O
O
So
it's
a
2
cent
above
revenue,
neutral
tax
rate
that
we're
recommending
tonight
to
get
us
there.
We
had
to
utilize
a
number
of
strategies
on
the
revenue
side.
We've
received
some
additional
sales
tax
information,
since
we
presented
the
budget
and
sales
taxes
and
our
economy
still
continue
to
perform
above
our
above
our
expectations
and
so
we're
able
to
add
some
additional
sales
tax
money
to
next
year's
budget.
O
Approximately
four
hundred
thousand,
we
also
identified
some
transit-specific
rescue
plan
funding
to
fund
our
transit
operations
and
some
of
our
expansions
next
year,
which
reduces
helps
reduce
the
transit
funds.
Reliance
on
general
fund
fund
support,
so
we
were
able
to
reduce
that
contribution
by
about
a
million
dollars
and
finally,
we're
recommending
appropriating
about
500
000
in
fund
balance,
and
with
that
appropriation
we
will
still
be
slightly
above
our
policy
requirement
of
15
percent.
O
So
with
that
I'll
conclude
and
turn
it
back
over
to
you
all
again
just
a
reminder
that
it's
been
a
long
budget
process,
we've
really
been
talking
about
the
budget
for
almost
a
year
now
it's
involved
a
lot
of
work
on
staff
side,
a
lot
of
time
from
city
council,
a
lot
of
community
input
and
we'll
continue
that
throughout
next
fiscal
year
as
well.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
and
I
want
to
thank
you
and
your
staff
and
and
staff,
even
beyond
the
finance
department,
because
a
lot
of
folks
were
involved
in
engaging
with
the
community
around
building
this
budget,
and
I
know
it's
your
first
first
rodeo
I
mean
you've
been
been
there
a
long
time
but
as
the
lead
rodeo
director.
A
So
I
want
to
thank
you
it's
a
new
new
title,
so
I
want
to
thank
you
for
for
all
the
hard
work.
That's
gone
into
gone
into
this
process.
Well,.
H
I
have
a
a
prepared
statement
if
I
may.
A
A
All
right,
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
yes
and
councilman.
H
So
today,
I'm
remembering
the
call
for
a
million
dollars
for
the
people
and
intergenerational
black
leadership,
asking
for
us
to
divest
from
policing
in
order
to
invest
in
long-term
safety
strategies.
Ash
was
in
a
unique
position.
We
have
188
vacancies
in
city
hall
right
now,
and
additional
resources
to
address
our
overlapping
emergencies.
H
So
obviously,
I'm
not
the
artist
in
the
family,
but
I
have
a
box
at
every
purpose.
To
illustrate
my
point
on
the
face.
The
budget
looks
like
what
we
need
to
be
doing:
housing,
youth
programming,
neighborhood
investment,
expanded
transit
service
and
action
on
lagging
wages
for
our
lowest
paid
employees,
including
living
wages
for
our
firefighters,
and
this
looks
like
a
yes
and
if
we
look
at
the
budget
in
3d,
we
really
have
to
look
at
the.
How
and
the
why.
H
So,
first
the
how
is
increasing
property
taxes,
so
I've
I've.
I
pulled
a
couple
of
slides
from
joe
minikozy
of
urban
three
has
made
this
presentation
to
the
racial
justice
coalition
and
has
generously
compiled
and
presented
data
around
the
disproportionate
impact
of
property
taxes
and
ongoing
structural
racism
in
our
assessment
policies.
H
H
H
So
on
this
slide,
there
is
a
light
er
blue
line,
that
is
the
lowest
20,
valued
homes
and
they're
they're,
the
ones
being
assessed
the
most
tax.
H
So
the
how
we
get
to
our
budget
funding
matters
neighbors,
including
nina
tovis
and
rich
lee,
are
voluntarily
offering
analysis
around
mitigating
the
impact
of
the
property
tax
increase,
and
it
sounds
like
our
150k
for
mitigating
the
impact
for
homeowners
needs
to
be
closer
to
a
million
and
that's
not
including
the
impact
on
renters
and
businesses,
and
then
there's
the.
Why?
Because
we're
funding
the
new
initiatives
on
top
of
business
as
usual,
we
need
to
diversify
our
responses
to
public
safety.
H
Calls-
and
we
don't
have
to
start
from
scratch-
we
can
partner
with
community
paramedicine
and
we
need
to
pursue
a
violence,
interrupt
or
pilot.
I'm
hopeful
because
of
our
resourceful
neighbors,
including
the
people
here
in
the
room
and
of
our
capable
staff,
and
with
my
colleagues
that
we
can
take
bold
action
to
get
to
the
different
outcomes.
We
say
we
want.
So
my
suggestion
is
that
we
move
to
pass
this
budget
with
two
amendments.
H
I
originally
had
a
suggestion
to
freeze
30,
but
following
the
story
of
what's
happening
in
durham,
that
we
freeze
15
of
the
88
open
positions
in
apd,
so
we
can
partner
in
diversifying
our
available
responses
to
public
safety,
calls
like
mental
health
crisis
and
overdoses,
and
two
to
commit
publicly
to
finding
the
necessary
funds
to
mitigate
the
impact
of
our
increase
in
property
taxes,
including
eviction,
protection
funding
through
the
arp
funds,
because
150k
isn't
going
to
cut
it.
H
My
expectation
is
that
our
hiring
goals
are
optimistic,
so
mitigation
funding
might
be
found
in
the
seven
million
dollar
plus
in
vacancies,
while
we're
experiencing
a
national
pushback
from
workers
demanding
better
wages
and
working
conditions
coming
out
of
the
pandemic.
Thank
you
for
your
consideration.
P
P
A
Okay,
we
have
councilwoman
rony
had
a
kind
of
two
motions
in
there
is
there?
Anyone
who
wishes
to
second
either
of
the
motions.
A
A
Okay,
I
I
I
appreciate
the
process,
as
I
mentioned
before,
getting
here
that
we,
I
think
we
use
the
most
robust
process,
I've
seen
during
a
budget
process
and
even
with
the
pandemic
and
the
restrictions
that
placed
around
the
process
in
terms
of
community
outreach.
It
was
robust,
and
so
again
I
want
to
thank
staff
and
I'm
I'm
very
proud
of
this
budget.
I
think
it
contains
a
lot
of
important
things
that
move
our
community
forward.
A
A
I've
ever
seen
in
terms
of
salary
adjustments
for
city
employees,
city
employees
make
up
approximately
1200
1250
employees
in
in
asheville,
and
I
we
have
always
struggled
to
pay
them
at
a
competitive
rate
to
really
show
them
not
only
our
appreciation
for
their
hard
work
and
sacrifice
they
make
for
our
community,
but
also
to
help
them
afford
to
live
here
in
our
community,
and
I
think
it
also
applies
some
pressure
to
other
employers
in
the
community
to
to
match
that.
A
So
I'm
hopeful
it
lifts.
You
know,
rising
tide
lifts,
many
boats
in
this
situation.
I
think
our
firefighters
were
heard
and
their
the
raises
that
will
be
received
in
this
budget
will
bring
all
of
our
firefighters
up
to
15
an
hour,
no
matter
how
we
argue
about
calculating
it.
A
So
so
we
put
that
one
to
rest
so
that
that
is
something
that
we
should
be
proud
of
and-
and
I
hope
that
it
delivers
a
competitive
wage
to
our
police
department
so
that
they
can
have
more
tools
in
their
tool
box
to
go
out
and
recruit
folks
to
come
to
come
work
in
our
police
department.
A
A
Recently,
I've
I've
had
the
pleasure
of
presiding
over
many
graduation
ceremonies
for
the
police
department
and
they
they
there
weren't
seven
people
there.
There
were
many
more
candidates
that
were
graduating,
and
I
know
that.
A
Extend
our
appreciation
to
those
who
make
a
great
sacrifice
for
us
on
a
daily
basis,
and
that
includes
our
police
department.
So
I,
for
one,
just
want
to
extend
that
appreciation
to
you
all
and
thank
you
for
being
here
tonight
and
that
and
and
not
to
belittle
the
role
that
so
many
others
play
in
our
city.
A
Public
works,
our
water
department,
our
planning
department,
sanitation,
all
those
that
our
civic
center
staff,
all
those
that
work
for
our
city,
but
I
know
that
some
some
jobs
are
much
more
scrutinized
and
criticized
than
others
and
and
through
no
fault
of
any
individual
here,
and
so
I
just
want
to
extend
my
appreciation
to
to
everyone
for
the
hard
work
they
put
in
and
hanging
in
there.
A
This
is
a
great
city:
we've
got
a
great
administration
and
with
wonderful
leadership,
and
I'm
the
future
to
me
looks
bright,
and
I
I
love
how
engaged
so
many
of
our
community
members
are
in
the
conversation
about
where
we're
headed.
We
don't
always
all
agree,
and
that
would
be
totally
boring
if
we
did
so
so.
I
appreciate
all
the
voices.
B
I
just
wanted
to
add
one
thing
to
councilwoman
rooney's
concerns.
You
know
the
city
of
asheville
does
not
carry
out
the
property
tax
assessments,
but
that
does
not
mean
we
are
not.
You
know
responsible
for
watching
and
understanding
what
is
happening
and
I
believe
I
saw
joe
minnicosi
walk
in
earlier
sounds
like
he
signed
up
to
speak.
I
just
wanted
to
say
I
did
reach
out
to
mr
minikosi
about
this
concerning
information
and
he
did
say
he
would
be
willing
to
come
and
present
to
council
at
a
future
date.
B
A
Okay,
thank
you,
okay,
council.
We
are
ready
to
vote
on
the
budget
unless
anyone
else
has
a
comment
all
right,
all
those
in
favor.
Please
say
I.
G
A
Any
opposed
no
okay,
we
have
concluded
our
vote
on
the
budget
council,
we're
going
to
take
a
quick
break
and
then
we'll
come
back
and
we
have
one
item
of
new
business
and
then
we
have
several
folks
that
are
signed
up
under
public
comment.
So
with
that,
let's
take
a
break
until
705.
A
Okay,
welcome
back,
we
have
one
item
of
new
business
and
that
is
a
resolution.
Updated
land
use
incentive,
grant
policy
and
I
believe
paul
d'angelo
is
yes
here
to
speak
on.
Q
Q
Some
key
takeaways
you
can
look
for
in
the
presentation
land
use
incentive
grant
update
here
will
allow
existing
market
rate
units
to
convert
to
affordable
units
to
help
preserve
and
protect,
affordable
housing.
Affordable
units
from
existing
housing
stock
can
be
added
more
quickly
than
new
construction
that
can
often
take
two
to
three
years.
Q
So
at
the
council
work
session
in
january,
we
talked
a
lot
about
the
city's
role
in
affordable
housing
as
a
funder,
city-owned
land
regulatory
as
well
as
convener
collaborator
on
the
efforts
to
produce,
protect
and
preserve,
affordable
housing.
I
think
we're
doing
okay
on
the
production
of
affordable
housing,
but
need
to
do
a
little
bit
better
on
their
preservation
and
protection
of
affordable
housing,
and
hopefully
this
luigi
updates
helps
a
little
bit
with
that.
Q
So
currently,
in
the
land
use
incentive
grant.
There
is
a
scorecard
for
luigi
and
every
five
points
can
earn
one
year
of
economic
incentive
that
economic
incentive
is
equivalent
to
city
property
taxes,
with
full
improvements
calculated
in
excess
of
currently
assessed
city
taxes.
At
the
time
of
the
luigi
application
for
one
year
applied
annually
to
be
dated
from
the
date
of
release
of
all
occupancy
permits
for
the
project
with
the
luigi
not
to
exceed
20
years
plus
one.
Q
So
a
current
luigi
example
just
to
look
at
some
of
the
financials
and
the
investment
on
the
city
side.
Current
tax
value
of
vacant
land
say
right
now:
a
parcel
equals
city
taxes
paid
of
approximately
one
thousand
dollars
after
construction
or
the
improvements
of
100
rental
apartment
homes,
with
at
least
20
percent
of
the
units
affordable
to
individuals
and
families
at
or
below
80
percent
of
the
area.
Q
The
city
would
grant
back
the
improvement
value
currently
that
40
thousand
dollars
for
x
amount
of
years
to
be,
depending
on
how
many
years
they
qualified
for
so
looking
at
an
example
with
a
conversion.
This
is
a
kind
of
real
world
example.
That's
out
there
right
now,
a
current
apartment,
complex
of
166
units,
pays
approximately
68
640
in
city
taxes
and
broke
that
down
into
land
value
city
taxes,
as
well
as
the
building
value
city,
taxes
and
the
apartment.
Q
Once
the
company
meets
the
targeted
numbers
of
that
28
20,
where
we
anticipate
that
would
happen
in
about
two
years,
the
city
would
grant
back
the
full
building
value,
just
the
building
60
158
for
x
amount
of
years
based
on
the
luigi
grant.
So
if
that
was
a
10-year
luigi,
it
would
equal
about
18,
000
plus
per
unit
for
affordability,
and
if
it
was
a
20-year
luigi
where
we
were
granting
back
the
property
taxes
for
20
years,
it'd
be
about
a
36
459
dollar
subsidy
for
affordable
units.
Q
Other
changes
of
note
in
this
policy
and
I'm
going
to
jump
ahead
quickly
to
this
just
so
everyone
understands
the
the
subsidy
and
investment
part
we
presented
this
without
the
days
in
permanent
supportive
housing
at
the
january
work
session
to
show
how
we
were
doing
on
a
subsidy
per
unit
level.
Q
If
that
happens,
here
go
comes
in
at
about
32
07.95,
so
we're
meeting
developers
a
little
less
than
halfway,
which
is
kind
of
our
work
that
we
want
to
do
where
we're
at
the
table,
with
developers
trying
to
meet
them
halfway
to
be
able
to
get
affordable
units,
and
I
just
wanted
to
be
able
to
show
that
investment
dollar
and
then
quickly.
Q
Other
changes
of
note
in
this
luigi,
where
at
least
20
of
the
units
must
meet
the
affordable,
affordable
standards
set
by
the
city
of
asheville,
which
is
known
as
appendix
one
for
individuals
and
households,
earning
80
percent
or
less
of
air
immediate
income,
and
now
we're
asking
that
50
percent
of
those
affordable
units
accept
some
type
of
rental
assistance
or
housing
choice
voucher.
So
as
an
example,
if
there's
a
100
home
rental
community,
we
would
expect
20
units
to
be
affordable.
Q
10
of
those
need
to
be
affordable
to
individuals
and
families
at
or
below,
80
percent
of
the
air
meeting
income
and
the
other
10
units
would
have
to
accept
housing,
choice,
vouchers
or
rental
assistance,
which
would
be
helping
individuals
and
families
at
or
below
the
60
area.
Median
income
and
the
developer
must
demonstrate
good
faith
efforts.
If
the
50
of
those
20
units,
the
10,
are
not
rented
to
housing
choice,
voucher
holders,
we
do
have
an
example
in
front
of
us
right
now
of
an
80
unit
apartment
complex
that
wants
to
do
all
affordable.
Q
Q
Whether
building
new
or
purchasing
old
community
development
expects
our
development
partners
to
reach
out
to
organizations,
groups
and
stakeholders
about
the
affordable
units
coming
online.
This
is
one
thing:
we've
heard
that
a
lot
of
folks
don't
know
about
the
affordable
units,
we're
trying
to
do
a
better
job
on
the
marketing
to
assist
and
get
the
word
out
in
the
community
that
affordable
units
are
coming
online
and
community
development
encourages
our
development
partner
to
outreach,
engage
outreach
and
engage
with
all
their
neighbors
in
the
immediate
vicinity
of
a
building
or
building
purchase.
Q
Q
We
just
tried
to
come
up
with
some
of
our
main
partners,
so
any
partners
out
there
that
don't
see
their
name
on
this
we're
just
trying
to
come
up
with
something
as
a
starting
point,
so,
whether
it's
the
housing
authority
who
has
vouchers
homeward
bound
who's,
doing
a
great
job,
assisting
our
homeless
population,
mountain
housing,
opportunity,
habitat
for
humanity,
thrive,
asheville,
the
abc
lt
on
track,
that's
always
working
to
try
to
get
folks
financial
financial
homes
in
order
also,
the
nearest
neighborhood
association
and
all
churches
and
businesses
within
a
half
mile.
Q
So
we
feel
like
if
the
marketing
effort
can
happen
on
the
front
end,
there's
a
better
chance
of
letting
more
and
more
folks
know
that
these
affordable
units
are
available.
Some
of
you
may
notice
that
there
are
some
homeownership
opportunities
on
here
and
these
really
struggling
home
ownership
times.
If
we
can
assist
with
balancing
the
household
housing
budget
better
with
their
overall
income,
I
think
that
it
possibly
sets
folks
up
to
possible
down
payment
savings
on
their
own
and
working
with
these
agencies.
Q
So
again
the
key
takeaways
is.
Hopefully
this
is
an
effort
to
preserve
and
protect
affordable
housing.
Affordable
units
can
be
added
much
quicker
than
the
normal
two
to
three
years
of
waiting
for
apartments
to
come
online.
We're
asking
our
development
partners
to
assist
more
with
vouchers
and
trying
to
do
a
better
job
on
the
front
end
to
let
folks
know
throughout
the
community
that
there's
affordable
units
coming
online
and
staff
would
recommend
a
motion
to
approve
the
luigi
policy
with
the
proposed
changes
outlined
and
I'm
happy
to
take
any
questions
questions
I
talk
fast.
B
I'll
motion
to
approve
the
amended
land
use
incentive
grant
policy
with
proposed
changes
as
outlined
I'll.
Second,
okay,
we
have
a
motion,
a
second
go
ahead.
Just
a
quick
comment
to
thank
you.
I
know
when
I
having
been
involved
in
affordable
housing
for
so
long
in
this
community.
I
feel
like
it's
an
all
hands
on
deck
approach.
That
is
needed
and,
as
you
said,
you
know
we
have
great
incentives
and
tools
around
new
construction.
We've
been
doing
a
great
job
of
partnering,
with
agencies
with
non-profits,
with
developers
with
apartment
builders.
B
H
I
guess
I
do
have
one
question
and
it's
something:
I've
never
seen
brought
up
in
a
housing
meeting.
So
maybe
I've
missed
it.
But
do
is
there
a
way
for
us
to
consider
a
ban?
The
box
initiative
so
that
folks,
who
are
re-entering,
can
also
have
access
to
housing.
R
I
think,
in
order
to
answer
that
question
we
may
have
to
explore
a
little
bit
more
deeply.
What
process
you
would
be
contemplating
councilwoman
rony,
generally
speaking,
many
of
the
rules
around
housing
and-
and
I
think
whether
it's
with
our
luigi
program
or
any
other
program
we
might
be
participating
in-
are
generally
governed
with
federal
laws.
A
G
A
Opposed
okay,
thank
you
very
much
all
right.
That
brings
us
to
the
end
of
our
agenda.
We
do
have
a
number
of
people
signed
up
to
speak
under
public
comment.
This
is
the
public
com
we
have
about.
21
people
signed
up
to
speak
and
this
is
an
opportunity
to
speak
on
items
that
are
not
on
our
agenda.
For
for
this
evening,
speakers
will
have
up
to
three
minutes
to
speak
and
the
first
person
signed
up
to
speak
is
sheila
serrett.
S
Thank
you
for
giving
our
firefighters
fifteen
dollars
an
hour.
They
deserve
that.
Imagine
what
with
sky
high
crime,
what
they
deal
with
daily
defunding.
The
police
was
the
worst
mistake.
Ever
the
crime
is
sky
high
and
by
the
way,
chief
of
police,
those
thousands
of
bicycles,
stolen
they're
at
pritchard
park.
S
The
crime
is
sky.
High
pritchard
park
is
a
big
mess.
The
junkies
have
taken
over
pritchett
park.
These
people
have
already
told
homeward
bound.
They
don't
want
help.
Instead,
they
trash
the
city
run
around
and
terrorize
business
owners,
businesses,
tourists
and
residents
the
park
warden
even
got
attacked
a
few
weeks
ago.
S
What
are
you
all
going
to
do
to
clean
up
prichard
park?
These
people
are
very
dangerous.
If
I
had
to
tell
you
what
oh
I
have
to
witness
every
day,
I'd
be
here
for
days,
mayor
and
city
council,
why
have
you
all
refused
to
protect
the
citizens
of
asheville
pitcher
park
needs
to
be
shut
down.
This
city
looks
like
a
dump
trash
everywhere.
Another
murder,
of
course
happened
last
night
in
asheville.
Does
that
shock?
Anyone,
if
you
all
can't
protect
the
citizens
of
astral
each
and
every
one
of
you
need
to
resign?
A
Janice
jones,
okay,
john
miller,
okay,
okay,
patricia
dockery.
She
has
not
left.
T
You
with
all
due
respect
to
ben
woody's,
two
years
working
on
the
noise
ordinance.
Some
history
here
may
2011.
T
The
judge
ordered
the
fines
the
bar
had
collected
to
be
spent
on
sound
proofing,
impr
improvements
to
keep
the
noise
inside
the
building.
I
do
not
know
if
this
was
done
or
followed
up
on
now.
The
owners
have
built
an
amplified
music
stage
outside
of
the
bar
and
are
blasting
away,
who
issued
that
permit.
T
A
U
Oh
hey.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
My
name
is
ben
calvin.
I
am
a
national
resident.
I
live
in
richmond
hill
area,
I'm
a
father,
I'm
a
business
owner,
I'm
a
partner,
I'm
a
friend
and
I'm
also
the
chair
of
asheville
music
professionals,
I'm
standing
here,
because
I've
gone
through
a
lot
of
public
policy
making
in
the
past,
and
I
feel
like
if
you
get
to
the
point
where
everybody's
worn
out
you're
at
a
good
spot,
we've
kind
of
exhausted
a
lot
of
the
efforts
to
get
to
a
good
place.
U
We've
gotten
there,
we've
found
consistent
consensus.
We've
worked
really
hard
with
ben
and
his
staff.
We've
worked
really
hard
with
council.
I
really
want
to
thank
you
guys
for
all
the
hard
work.
It's
been
two
years
of
doing
this
a
lot
of
zoom
meetings,
but
we're
here,
we've
passed
public
safety
unanimously.
We've
come
to
some
some
really
good
solutions
and
we're
there.
I
don't
know
exactly
why
we're
kicking
this
down
the
road.
U
U
V
Hi,
council
and
staff,
my
name
is
liz
talent
and
I
am
a
nashville
resident.
I
live
in
north
asheville,
I'm
a
board
member
of
the
asheville
area,
arts,
council
and
I'm
one
of
the
operators
of
the
orange
peel
and
orange
peel
events
and
rabbit
rabbit.
V
V
The
last
several
meetings
that
we
have
had
have
been
frankly,
more
contentious
than
the
ones
we
had
four
or
five
months
ago.
So
I
think
in
terms
of
consensus
and
community
building
and
kind
of
good
faith
effort.
We
are
moving
in
the
wrong
direction.
By
delaying
a
vote
on
the
noise
ordinance,
I
will
echo
what
ben
said
in
making
the
point
that
music
venues
are
still
digging
out
of
the
pandemic.
V
I
noticed
in
you
know,
looking
at
federal
grants
only
three
asheville
promoters
or
venues
or
theater
groups
have
received
any
kind
of
federal
grant
funding.
So
all
of
us
are
still
kind
of
operating
in
the
negative
and
we
desperately
need
to
know
what
our
legal
footing
and
situation
is
going
to
be
in
order
to
make
business
decisions,
and
so
we
were
really
disappointed
that
the
vote
was
moved
off
of
today's
agenda,
and
I
just
want
to
echo
that
we
too
are
really
ready
to
move
forward
on
this
issue.
V
I
would
love
to
see
it
added
to
the
july
agenda
if
we
feel
like
that
agenda
is
too
full.
I
know
it's
an
unusual
request,
but
I
feel
like
this
is
an
issue
that
has
a
lot
of
community
interest
and
a
lot
of
community
engagement.
Maybe
we
could
make
a
special
session
to
vote
on
it,
but
I
feel
like
I
speak
for
the
other
venues
in
town
and
the
rest
of
the
folks
on
both
positions,
residents
and
music
professionals
in
asking
that
we
do
not
delay
this
vote
until
september.
N
N
I
heard
about
the
central
importance
of
access
to
work,
opportunities
to
that
pay
enough
for
families
to
thrive,
not
just
survive,
and
I
heard
about
the
critical
importance
of
educational
opportunity
and
equity
council
has
just
passed
its
budget.
It
contains
a
very
modest
amount
for
property
tax
mitigation.
N
N
N
W
Thank
you
very
much.
My
name
is
michael
green
fellow
ashevillians,
I'm
native
ashvilian
in
1986,
my
family,
and
I
developed
wick
and
green
plaza,
and
in
1986
there
was
not
much
around.
We
were
considered
to
be
pioneers
and,
I
often
say,
pioneers
usually
got
shot,
so
we
were
lucky
that
we
didn't
get
shot.
W
I
was
also
in
1979
one
of
three
people,
including
one
folks
in
the
planning
department
that
developed
bell
share,
so
go
back
a
long
time
in
trying
to
make
things
positive
for
our
city
and
I'm
delighted
with
the
service
that
each
of
you
perform
for
our
community.
Thank
you
because
it
is
not
an
easy
thing
to
do.
You
are
all
very
deliberate
on
what
you're
doing
I
was
involved
in
a
meeting
last
night.
Thank
you
for
those
of
you
who
came
and
wanted
to
tell
you
that.
W
So
if
we
can
encourage
folks
to
to
want
to
serve
our
community,
like
you
all,
are
serving
like
each
of
us
do,
what
a
much
more
wonderful
community
we
have.
You
know
I
love
asheville.
I
hope
we're
on
the
right
direction.
Last
night
we
talked
about
the
port
of
john's.
This
morning
I
went
up
to
check
the
one
on
wall
street.
There
was
a
guy
camping
in
there.
Those
things
need
to
move
away
and
be
done
the
in
addition
to
that
you
know
I
like
to
see
things
be
be
changing.
W
Overall,
it
was
a
mention
about
pritchard
park
tonight.
I
am
not
afraid
of
anything.
I
walk
through
pritchett
park.
All
the
time
I
walked
through
twice
today.
Pritchett
park
was
not
a
bad
place.
Today
there
were
actually
families
sitting
on
the
park
benches.
They
might
be
tourists
or
whatever,
but
they
were
enjoying
our
parks.
I
saw
one
of
the
river
top
people
cleaning
out
the
refuse
out
of
the
bushes
and
whatnot.
W
I
thanked
him
for
doing
that
and
he
said
no
problem,
so
I
would
encourage
everyone,
not
only
council
folks,
but
folks
in
this
room
and
folks
on
television
that
are
seeing
this
to
to
do
that
very
same
thing,
don't
be
afraid
to
walk
our
streets,
tell
people
they're
doing
a
good
job.
Thank
you
all.
I
guess
that
was
my
time.
A
Yes,
I
guess
maggie
has
the
timer
her
text
message:
beep
went
off
most
of
the
night,
but
that
was
not
intentional.
Normally
she
keeps
keeps
time
for
the
speaker.
So
so
I
just
had
to
razz
you
that's
my
favorite.
Okay.
Our
next
person
signed
up
to
speak,
is
dana
roberson.
C
Hi,
thank
you
so,
like
you
said,
my
name
is
dana
roberson.
I
live
in
west
asheville.
C
I
am
also
a
mother
and
I
am
a
part
of
the
team
that
operates
the
orange
peel
and
orange
peel
events
in
2020.
During
the
pandemic,
we
opened
rabbit
rabbit
alongside
asheville
pizza
company,
and
we
were
able
to
offer
work
to
folks
in
our
industry
who
were
desperate
to
make
ends
meet.
I
was
one
of
those
people.
C
We
created
a
fun
lively,
outdoor
space,
downtown
that
was
safe
for
local
people
to
resume
some
sense
of
normalcy.
In
incredibly
turbulent
times,
we
worked
hard
to
open
a
venue
that
would
be
an
asset
to
asheville
and
be
a
unique
venue,
that's
safe
and
welcoming
for
everyone
to
enjoy.
Prior
to
opening.
C
Unfortunately,
the
neighborliness
has
not
always
been
a
two-way
street,
with
a
very
small
minority
of
downtown
condo
owners
that
have
been
incredibly
difficult
to
cater
to,
although
we've
only
had
one
local
concert,
as
of
yet
we've
been
very
discriminating
in
the
types
of
shows
that
we've
booked
for
our
upcoming
season
intentionally
booking
artists
that
are
user-friendly
for
one
example.
In
december
we
tried
to
we
tried
out
a
local
dj
for
a
few
hours
on
a
sunday
afternoon,
and
we
received
complaints
from
two
of
the
neighboring
condo
owners.
C
We
moved
all
of
our
7
30
pm
movies,
all
movies
after
7
30
pm
to
a
silent
format
as
well,
and
we
still
host
kids
movies
with
sound,
but
we've
added
double
the
speakers,
so
we
have
more
of
like
a
directional
sound
rather
than
all
the
sound
coming
from
one
space,
so
it
actually
results
in
lower
overall
volume.
C
In
fact,
I've
heard
right
now
that
we
have
a
bunch
of
families
on
site
that
are
watching
a
free
movie
night.
So,
oh
okay,
that
was
quick.
So
basically
we're
really
trying
to
push
for
us
to
move
forward
this
sound
ordinance.
We
want
to
get
back
to
work.
We
want
to
see
us
move
forward
in
a
positive
way.
Thank
you.
X
Hi,
my
name
is
karen
ramshaw.
I
work
with
public
interest
projects
and
I
just
have
a
few
perspectives
about
the
noise
ordnance.
X
The
city
noise
surveys
list
the
most
disruptive
issues
to
be
the
following:
in
order:
car
noise,
construction
leaf,
blower,
lawnmower
outdoor
equipment,
dog
barking,
industrial
equipment,
trash
pickup
and
finally,
concerts
festivals
and
amplified
music
earlier
today,
ben
was
talking
about
the
fact
that
during
the
pandemic,
when
most
businesses
were
closed,
there
were
only
eight
fewer
noise
complaints
which
just
reinforces
the
fact
that
most
noise
complaints
are
neighbor
to
neighbor.
Yet
a
lot
of
the
harshest
restrictions
are
against
the
live
music
industry.
X
There's
also
an
impression
that
the
noise
ordinance
is
pitting
musicians
and
businesses
against
residents
and
that's
not
true
in
the
first
place,
musicians
and
staffs
and
owners
of
businesses
are
also
residents
and
many
residents
outside
the
industry
support
our
lively
and
important
music
and
entertainment
scene.
Darn
claims
to
be
the
voice
of
downtown
asheville's
residents,
but
how
many
renters,
under
the
age
of
30,
are
members
of
darn.
X
This
isn't
to
say
that
darn
doesn't
represent
residents,
but
they
don't
speak
for
all
residents
in
a
downtown
commission
meeting
earlier
this
month,
a
downtown
condo
owner
stated
that
downtown
needed
to
become
less
of
an
entertainment
area
and
more
of
a
residential
neighborhood.
So
exactly
where
does
the
entertainment
go?
I
mean
we
can't
put
everything
in
south
asheville.
X
I
manage
a
few
downtown
residential
properties,
primarily
workforce
housing.
My
tenants
pay
a
premium
to
live
downtown
because
they
like
being
in
a
vibrant
and
yes
noisy
downtown.
When
I
ask
them
about
noise
from
venues,
bars,
festivals,
etc.
Tenants
typically
respond
with
this
puzzle.
We
live
downtown
now
my
husband
and
I
moved
downtown
in
2007,
and
I
love
the
convenience
and
the
ability
to
take
part
so
easily
in
the
cultural
and
entertainment
opportunities.
X
I
used
to
pull
a
stool
over
the
window
just
to
watch
what
was
going
on
down
biltmore
avenue.
There
were
trade-offs,
certainly
relentless
panhandling,
the
busker,
with
the
four
song
repertoire
under
my
window
for
45
minutes
and
the
karaoke
bar
that
liked
to
put
its
speakers
on
the
sidewalk
and
I
don't
live
downtown
any
longer.
Downtown
may
have
changed,
but
I
have
definitely
changed.
X
X
Y
I
came
to
talk
about
the
budget,
but
I'm
sort
of
equipment
challenged
here,
we're
not
allowed
to
plug
in
and
show
anything,
and
you
don't
have
the
overhead.
A
No,
but
we
do
have
a
system
if
you
can
get
it
to
the
clerk
ahead
of
time.
That's
how
we
normally
operate.
Y
Y
Y
You
know
the
com,
my
company's
practice
focuses
on
presenting
information
to
people
and
we
call
it
communicating
visually.
So,
let's
just
take
this
one.
Yeah
we'll
start
there.
So
this
is
what
we
did
to
show
the
what's
happening
with
redline
traditionally,
red
line
communities
and
the
growth
of
value
in
those
neighborhoods.
So
you
can
see
in
burton
street
it's
growing
at
38
percent
versus
bruce
mont
circle,
my
former
neighborhood
at
17.
Y
What
that
represents
is
a
growth
in
value
at
an
exceptional
rate.
It
really
stands
out
clearly
when
you
look
at
shiloh
versus
biltmore
forest
and
what
we
see
across
this
model
is
and
we'll
just
kind
of
zoom
in
over
here
it,
the
at
burton
street
versus
response
circle.
The
bottom
layer
is
the
dirt
value
change
and
the
top
layer
is
the
building
on
top
of
it.
Y
So
you're,
looking
at
a
a
17
percent
gain
for
white
neighborhoods,
where
you
get
a
discount
in
the
taxation
versus
black
households
at
two
percent,
so
two
percent
seventeen
percent,
seventeen
percent
gift
of
tax
benefit
to
white
households
versus
two
percent
for
black
households
and
by
adding
insult
to
injury,
you're,
passing
a
budget
and
raising
taxes
on
on
those
that
are
already
having
the
gas
turned
up
with
an
assessment
and
we're
essentially
flying
blind
and
not
even
looking
at
this
data.
You
know
we
didn't
have
a
communication
about
this.
We
didn't.
Y
I
saw
that
kim
tried,
but
it's
just
I
don't
have
the
ability
to
communicate
this
even
here
right
now,
be
it
not
for
the
fact
that
these
happen
to
be
arbitrarily
in
this
presentation,
and
it's
give
you
another
data
point
bruce
moth
circle.
What
they're
going
to
feel
is
an
effective
tax
rate
of
2.5
percent
and
over
in
south
side
and
south
french
broad,
it's
going
to
be
a
5
tax
impact
on
their
income,
so
that's
double
the
tax
impact
and
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
raise
their
assessment.
Y
So
I
think
just
we
need
to
be
fair
about
this.
We
need
to
start
building
trust
I
mean
part
of
trust
could
be
just
being
able
to
show
some
stuff
on
a
computer,
and
I
just
ask
that
we
have
a
more
open
conversation
about
this
and
allow
more
communication
and
back
and
forth
in
our
community
to
trust
some
of
our
citizens
to
bring
information
forward.
I'm
not
gonna,
you
know.
Why
do
we
have
this
rule
that
I
can't
plug
my
computer
in
is
that
somebody
show
porn
or
something
like
that.
Y
I
mean
it's
just
it's
it's.
This
is
kind
of
insulting
and
then
I
think
that
we
need
to
be
more
equitable
about
what
we're
considering
financially
for
people
in
our
community.
So
I'll
leave
it
at
that.
Thanks.
A
Thank
you.
The
next
person
signed
up
to
speak
is
caleb
bicert.
Z
All
right
good
evening,
council,
members,
mayor
city
management,
thank
you
for
hearing
me
tonight.
I'm
a
musician,
poet,
music
venue
manager.
I've
lived
in
asheville
since
2009.
Z
Z
Z
Z
I
I
think
this
could
open
a
door
for
individuals
and
businesses
to
be
harassed,
and
we
we
might
look
at
some
something
some
some
element
that
deals
with
chronic
complaints
as
well.
The
other
end
of
it.
Z
I
I'm
concerned
about
the
fines
and
how
that
could
hurt
small
businesses,
and
I
I
I
have
concerns
about
decibel
levels
and
how
they
are
is
a
bit
subjective
by
nature,
though
they
sound
v,
they
can
sound,
very
scientific
and
that
perhaps
some
of
these
levels
are
too
low.
In
short,
I
just
want
to
ask
that
we
make
sure
the
noise
ordnance
protects
and
supports
our
live
music
and
our
entertainment
industry
and
does
not
target
nor
stifle
it.
Z
AA
I
just
kind
of
have
I'm
killing
flow.
I've
been
in
asheville
since
2010,
and
I
just
have
some
kind
of
general
comments
as
well
on
the
noise
ordinance.
You
probably
have
heard
a
lot
of
them
before
it's
a
popular
folk
wisdom
to
say
that
your
right
to
swing
your
arm
ends
where
my
face
begins.
However,
what
do
we
do
if
I
freely
choose
to
step
into
that
space
in
which
you
are
already
swinging?
AA
Please
be
very
careful
with
the
noise
ordinance.
I
I
implore
you.
If
it's
not
carefully
and
considerably
established,
it
can
easily
be,
in
effect,
a
mandate
of
a
mandate
of
investment
toward
maintaining
and
protecting
the
value
of
already
high
priced
property,
and
it
won't
come
at
the
financial
cost
to
those
who
will
profit
most
from
it.
The
owners
of
local
real
estate,
it
will
co,
it
will
cost
the
city
government
and
its
coffers
to
create
and
enforce
it.
It
will
come
at
a
remarkable
and
inestimable
social
cost
to
the
culture
of
asheville.
AA
AB
AB
Good,
I
would
like
to
say
good
afternoon
good
evening
to
the
city
council
members.
I
want
to
thank
shanika
smith,
vice
mayor
ken
rooney
and
deborah
campbell
for
coming
out
to
the
june
19th
of
the
event.
Well,
what
we
did
this
weekend
was
bring
our
community
together.
AB
AB
I
am
I'm
on
the
dress
about
the
police
situation,
the
black
people
that
was
pulled
over
by
the
ashfield
police
department,
the
fines
they
accumulated
was
forty
thousand
dollars
and
I'm
still
with
defunding
the
police
and
what
he
did
not
show
how
many
deaths
are
caused
by
the
police
department
that
should
have
been
on
that
list.
Also,
I'm
speaking
about
the
13
million
dollars
property
for
319
biltmore
avenue
that
needs
to
be
given
to
the
black
people
for
reparation.
AB
We
need
our
own
space,
that's
not
going
to
be
governed
by
the
city
council
members
telling
us
we
got
a
time
where
we
can't
do
this
and
that
we
need
to
stop
that.
We
need
something
we
can
cultivate
for
our
own
kids.
We
need
something
for
us.
We
try
to
go
on
spending
our
money
to
the
orange
peel
or
whatever.
We
need
to
put
our
money
back
into
our
own
communities,
and
I
want
to
speak
about
the
20
minutes.
I
don't
know
us
management
about
this
music.
We
had
music
at
june.
AB
19Th
music
is
a
part
of
healing
the
music
that
we
listen
to
this
weekend
healed,
our
community
look
what
we
went
through.
We
had
of
oh
what
five
deaths
from
the
last
few
weeks,
but
this
weekend
wasn't
no
problem
with
the
law.
I
asked
the
ashford
police
to
tell
you
that
no
crime,
no
nothing.
Something
happened
this
morning
that
we
didn't
have
no
control
over.
AB
But
if
y'all
give
our
community
something
to
do
with
our
kids,
so
we
can
interact
with
them.
They
will
not
be
out
here
doing
this
and
that
but
y'all
shooting
down
the
goombay
event
for
next
coming
up
in
september,
but
the
city
invested
52
000
for
fireworks,
but
we
can't
even
put
money
into
our
community.
So
we
can
stop
this
violence
and
I
mean
that's
all
I
got
to
say
I
I
would
like
to
for
our
community
to
do
better.
The
city
council
members,
the
ones
that
was
at
the
june
19th.
AB
AB
D
AC
Just
a
couple
points
that
I
wanted
to
share:
2.1
million
dollars
divided
by
the
estimated
10
000
black
people
in
asheville,
would
come
to
about
200
per
person.
How
can
you
call
200
reparations?
I
know
that
you
guys
are
trying
to
get
more
funds
for
that.
Meanwhile,
the
asheville
police
department
has
30
million
dollar
budget,
so
it
kind
of
seems
clear
to
me
that
you
could
take
some
of
that
from
all
the
people
that
are
quitting
the
police
department
and
put
it
into
the
black
community.
AC
I
just
don't
hear
you
guys
actually
saying
like
we
hear
you
that
police
are
killing
you
and
hurting
your
communities.
It's
really
frustrating
you
guys
kind
of
like
beat
around
the
bush
around
with
this
issue,
and
you
just
keep
commending
police
officers
for
doing
a
good
job,
but
they're
not
they're
hurting
our
community.
AC
A
AD
Literally
behind
you
a
bit
like
past
the
fire
department,
you
at
the
walmart,
and
so
for
me
it
to
be
standing
here
on
my
vacation
and
seeing
this
is
disheartening
to
have
to
come
before,
y'all
yet
again
and
ask
for
support
for
the
why
ymi
and
the
restoration
of
our
building?
We
are
in
the
middle
of
a
six
million
dollar
capital
campaign.
AD
We
with
thanks
to
the
tda
and
self-help
we've
been
able
to
raise
three
million
dollars
in
other
funding
streams,
three
million
dollars
so
far,
and
we
really
need
the
support
of
the
the
city
we
need.
We
really
need
the
city
to
show
that
this
matters,
we're
not
talking
about
any
institution
with
this
is
not
setting
a
president
that
y'all
have
not
done
this
before,
because
you
have
and
so
like.
We
are
not
an
anomaly.
All
we're
asking
is
for
support
to
come
in
and
show
that
the
city
is
behind.
AD
Preserving
this
historical
agency,
it's
128
years
of
history,
african-american
history,
you
can't
say
I'm
sorry,
I'm
emotional,
because
you
can't
say
reparations
and
not
say
the.
Why
am
I
I
look
at
our
city?
Council
members?
You
cannot
especially
our
african-american
city
council
members.
The
ymi
has
been
a
place,
a
community
space
in
this
city
for
128
years.
It
has
been
where
black
people
felt
safe
to
convene
it
has
had
its
place.
AD
Yes,
it
had
this
ups
and
downs
like
any
organization.
If
you
really
look,
but
we
are
here
and
we
are
growing
and
we're
building
and
we're
coming
back-
and
all
I'm
here
to
say
is
that
we
need
your
support.
I
have
did
any
and
everything
that's
been
asked
of
me.
What
I'm
asking
from
y'all
is:
please
let
us
know
what
we
need
to
do.
What
is
it?
What
what
am
I
missing?
AD
A
A
AA
A
AE
Hey
my
name
is
jonathan
wainscott
and
I
did
make
it
to
the
reparations
series
the
next
day
after
last
week,
when
I
did
make
the
comments
about
the
tda.
I
guess
maybe
that
was
a
little
hasty
and
rude
for
me
to
not
be
so
appreciative
of
the
buncombe
county
tourism
development
authority
for
sponsoring
this.
Certainly
it's
the
least
that
they
could
do,
and
I
think
they
do
deserve
credit
for
doing
the
least
in
town.
AE
I
have
to
say
that
I'm
thrilled
that
dr
darren
waters
was
moderator.
There
he's
the
one
who
revealed
recently
that
newton
shepard
was
our
first
black
representative
here
in
nashville
in
1882,
and
he
inspired
me
to
look
more
into
the
history
of
asheville.
I
even
went
down
to
the
city
of
asheville
vaults.
Maggie
was
really
helpful.
I
got
to
put
my
hands
on
the
oldest
minutes
in
town
1854.
AE
I
was
I
was
looking
for.
I
thought
I'd
have
to
flip
through
all
these
books
and
see
when
the
language
changed
when
we
went
to
went
from
a
board
of
aldermen
to
a
board
of
commissioners
and
all
it's
right
there
on
the
edge
of
the
book.
AE
You
know
didn't
even
have
to
flip
through
it
at
all,
so
it's
history
right
in
our
backyard,
but
I
do
want
to
continue
to
you
know,
express
my
concern
about
the
buncombe
county
tourism
development
authority
and
how
much
money
they
get,
how
much
money
they
spend
since
last
time.
I
was
here
when
I
said
that
they
spend
on
average
seventy
one
thousand
dollars
a
day.
That
means
they've
spent
a
million
dollars
since
last
time.
AE
I
was
here
you're
talking
about
a
two
million
dollar
reparations
fund,
and
you
know
two
weeks
ago
I
mean
26
million
dollars
a
year
for
the
tourism
development
authority.
That's
a
million
bucks
every
two
weeks
and
all
we're
doing
is
advertising
asheville
to
be
a
wonderful
place
and
when
the
entire
agency
is
26
people
and
they're
all
white
and
80
percent
women,
you
know.
Basically,
the
tourism
development
authority
looks
like
sage,
esther,
gwen,
kim
and
brad
times.
Five,
that's
problematic
for
me.
AE
Maybe
not
anybody
else.
I
hear
about
the
disparity
between
you
know:
representation
in
the
police
department,
not
as
many
blacks
serving
in
the
police
department
as
live
here
in
town.
I
hear
that
metric.
All
the
time
same
same
goes
with
teachers,
but
I
don't
hear
anybody
criticizing
asheville
chamber
of
commerce
that
has,
I
believe,
one
one.
Black
person
on
staff
in
a
professional
capacity
and
the
building
supervisor
a
janitor
wcqs
doesn't
have
any
black
people
support
black
businesses.
Boycott
white,
only
media
mountain
express
doesn't
have
any
black
reporters.
AE
We
got
no
black
journalists
in
this
town,
so
black
voices
can't
be
heard.
I
got
a
problem
with
that.
It's
not
your
fault.
I
appreciate
that
a
lot
of
work
went
into
the
reparations.
If
I
were
going
to
give
it
a
grade,
I
mean
I'm
a
harsh
critic.
As
you
know,
I
would
give
in
an
I
incomplete.
I
think
that
there
were
lots
of
good
things
to
be
heard
and
thank
you.
AF
Ma'am
good
evening,
my
name
is
ewena
smith
and
I
work
for
a
local
domestic
violence
agency
here
in
asheville,
and
I
am
the
housing
case
manager
and
I
was
interested
in
that
powerpoint
about
the
luigi
grants.
A
hundred
units
is
not
enough.
AF
AF
I
am
emotional
when
I
go
to
work
and
leave
work
and,
as
you
see
my
two
children
I
have
to
decompress
every
day
when
I
come
home
because
I
bring
home
so
much
trauma
from
women
crying
all
day.
Begging
me.
Can
you
please
find
a
home.
For
me,
my
babies,
retired
is
living
in
a
shelter.
We've
been
in
a
shelter
six
months,
we'd
have
been
in
the
shelter
nine
months.
We've
been
to
this.
Where
this
were
100
units,
we
could
fill
that
in
one
day.
AF
AF
We,
yes,
the
city,
is
about
to
give
out
numerous
amounts
of
section
8
vouchers,
but
we
don't
have
any
property
owners
who
are
willing
to
take
these
section,
8
vouchers.
So
what
are
we
going
to
do
we're
going
to
have
all
these
section,
8
vouchers,
no
property
managers,
no
property
to
put
these
people
in.
AF
I
I
I
I
A
Any
anyone
else,
yes,
we're
gonna
practice.
Maybe
we
need
to
keep
sarah
out
there
to
take
sign.
Ups.
AG
I'll
be
real,
quick,
okay,
I'm
just
vicki
meath
west
asheville,
two
things
real,
quick!
First
of
all,
the
eviction
moratorium
is
about
to
expire,
and
you
have
arpa
funds
and
a
use
of
arpa
funds
can
immediately
go
into
eviction
protection.
So
I'd
encourage
you
to
not
continue
to
wait
to
you
know,
even
by
july
27th.
AG
AG
We
need
to
start
taking
a
look
at
what
those
numbers
actually
mean
at
80
percent
area,
median
income,
someone
making
our
living
wage
rate
doesn't
even
is
not
even
like
making
enough
to
qualify
for
a
one
bedroom
apartment
because
area,
meeting
income
and
fair
market
rent
are
two
different
numbers,
and
so
I
think
we
need
to
really
start
talking
about
affordability
at
sixty
percent
of
area,
median
income
or
below
we'll
you'll
be
hearing
much
more
from
me.
As
you
know,
you
know
that
I'm
not
quiet
about
issues
about
this
issue
over.
AG
A
Okay,
any
anyone
else
all
right
did
anyone
have
a
comment
on
council
before
we
adjourn
we
are.
We
are,
as
vicki
mentioned,
we're
not
going
to
be
back
here
until
the
end
of
july
when
we
get
to
take
up
the
charlotte
street
project,
so
I'm
sure
they'll
be
a
very
short
meeting.
B
Mayor
I'd
like
to
make
a
quick
comment:
I
previously
had
been
very
supportive
of
continuing
the
noise
ordinance
into
next
year
when
we
first
had
this
discussion.
It
was
around
the
pandemic
and
the
impacts
to
the
industry,
and
I
supported
and
kind
of
lobbied
for
it
to
be
continued.
I'm
something
that
was
said
tonight
struck
me
that
I
hadn't
heard,
and
this
is
the
impact
to
the
industries
in
their
planning
and
their
contracts
and
the
detrimental
effect
of
not
knowing
the
state
of
their
industry.
So
I
would
just
like
to
voice
that.
M
I
I'm
with
the
sage.
I
was
going
to
say
something
about
that
outside
of
council,
that
I
think
that
we
can't
just
keep
pushing
it
down
the
road
and
and
like
I
said,
if
it
basically
it's
like
anything
else.
If
we
need
to
tweak
it,
you
know
after
a
bit
in
effect,
then
let's
do
that,
but
we
need
to
actually
get
something
on
the
books
and
also
I'd
like
to
say.
Thank
you.
M
This
has
been
a
wonderful
evening
to
hear
so
many
people's
concerns
about
things
that
really
impact
the
community
as
far
as
the
housing,
the
young
lady,
that's
sitting
there,
and
it
just
really
hit
me
because
being
in
real
estate
and
watching
what
she's
talking
about
and
that's
what
I've
been
trying
to
get
over
for
years
and
people
just
don't
understand,
and
it's
amazing,
like
I
said,
most
of
people
come
to
my
office
here
in
asheville.
M
They
say
to
me:
they're
looking
for
a
place
to
buy
a
rent,
and
I
ask
what
is
your
income
and
usually
the
answer
is
a
thousand
dollars,
and
I
said
well,
okay,
it's
that
every
every
week,
every
two
weeks
and
they
usually
say
every
month.
That
means
they
qualify
for
a
300
a
month,
rental
unit
and
what
I'm
telling
you
you're
looking
at,
especially
when
you've
got
over
what
is
it
close
to
50
percent
of
the
blacks
living
in
the
housing
development
right
now?
M
So
this
is
a
big
issue
and
it
is
hurtful
it's
painful.
I
can
almost
feel
her
pain
because
I
I
deal
with
it
also.
So
I
just
like
to
thank
you
all
for
sharing
all
these
things,
because
these
are
things
that
we
need
to
know
in
the
community
what's
going
on,
because
a
lot
of
us
are
so
far
away
from
it
that
we
don't
really,
we
can't
comprehend
it
you
know,
and
but
it
is
real
and
it's
something
that
we've
got
to
do
something
about.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you
sandra.
I'm
sorry,
I
just
wasn't
finished,
but
I
did
want
to
actually
speak
to
the.
I
know
that
helpmate
is
seeking
to
build
an
enlarged,
a
new,
larger
shelter,
and
I
was
very
touched
by
the
things
that
you
said
in
many
of
the
comments
tonight
and
I
just
wanted
to
thank
everyone
for
their
time.
A
Ben
you're
sitting
in
the
back,
are
you:
are
you
cool
with
us,
bringing
the
noise
ordinance
back
at
the
end
of
july.
G
G
It
it
is
your
agenda
mayor
I'll,
be
happy
to
put
it
on
any
any
meeting.
That
you'd
like
just
just
know
that
it'll.
A
J
And
don't
forget
and
don't
forget
that
you
have
a
work
session
as
well
arpa
that
day,
just
just
a
reminder:
okay,.
A
A
G
AD
G
A
Okay,
well,
let's,
let's:
let's
try
to
plan
on
that,
just
barely
and
ahead
and.
A
Yeah
and
maybe
noise
ordinance
people
you
guys,
can
get
like
organized
and
do
like
designated
speakers,
people
who
speak
and
then
other
people
can
just
say
you
know
that's
for
me
too.
You
know
anyway,
just
kind
of
a
streamline
just
a
suggestion.
Okay,
all
right,
yeah,
yes
yeah!
Maybe
everyone
already
talked
okay.
Thank
you
mayor
all
right.
So
with
that
we
are
okay,
we'll
we'll
adjourn
the
meeting,
but
we'll
be
glad
to
come
talk
with
you,
but
we
are
we're
adjourned
for
this.