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October 24, 2017
Asheville City Council Meeting
A
A
B
D
Your
name
good
afternoon,
Asheville
I'm,
Katherine,
McLeod
and
I
haven't
taken
Toastmasters.
Yet
there's
a
part
of
my
reading,
I'm
going
to
take
what
we
have
accomplished
by
our
renaming
effort
is
to
finally
deliver
on
the
cause
of
caring
citizens
in
the
Asheville
Citizen
published
Desai's
desire.
They
stated
on
February,
12th,
1913
and
I
quote
at
this
time.
When
Tempe
hovers
between
the
shadows
and
the
light,
it
has
been
suggested
that
some
substantial
memento
be
presented
to
her
by
those
who
so
finely
cherish
the
recollections
of
her
life.
D
Our
effort
in
2017
100
years
after
tempies
death
has
been
an
exercise
in
social,
even
poetic
justice
to
all
who
have
participated
and
to
all
who
view
this
as
a
pleasant
civic
lesson,
please
look
forward
with
us
to
the
completion
of
the
Tempe
Avery
Montfort
Center
of
site
renovations
in
2018,
when
we
will
together
unveil
the
new
sign
and
historical
marker.
Their
refreshing
tempies
demonstrated
kindness
to
the
people
of
our
city.
D
That
day
will
be
a
time
for
the
return
of
her
family
and
in
a
way
to
met
or
over
a
community
rejoicing
for
the
good
we
can
accomplish.
If
we
so
determined
by
hard
work
like
the
knowing
Midwife,
who
encourages
a
striving
mother
with
her
soft
voice,
just
one
more
push
and
your
baby
will
be
in
your
arms,
Martha
Warren,
her
family
of
Tempe,
descendants
and
I
are
grateful
to
all
who
have
joined
in
this
community
effort
toward
finally
giving
Tempe
Avery
ilanics
awaited
expression
of
gratitude
that
has
survived
so
many
generations
of
neglect.
D
May
our
endeavor
be
included
with
those
of
so
many
who
work
hard
to
bring
positive
change
in
a
time
when
some
in
our
culture
still
look
for
direction
in
reconciling
racial
differences,
there's
joy
to
be
found
in
studying
history
and
connecting
great
stories
of
the
past
with
worthy
purposes
for
our
lives
today.
Thank
you
very
much.
E
E
F
Thank
you,
I'm
Scott
Martin,
with
the
IT
department
and
just
wanted
to,
if
you're
not
already
familiar
with
the
Bloomberg
philanthropies
mayor's
challenge
just
wanted
to.
Let
you
know
that
we
did
submit
an
application
on
Friday
this
past
Friday
and,
more
so
than
the
application
itself.
I
think
the
process
is
what
was
so
amazing.
We
had
a
meeting
back
in
September.
There
were
about
15
to
20
folks
who
participated,
including
them,
including
the
mayor,
but
this
was
not
just
a
staff
driven
process.
I
think
that's
what
makes
it
special.
F
I
would
say
that
we
co-wrote
the
proposal
with
these
organizations,
so
it
wasn't
just
city
staff
putting
this
together
and
if
I
could
Patrick
Coonan
who's
with
PRC
applications,
and
he
was
part
of
the
process
from
the
beginning.
All
the
way,
through
the
final
proposal,
he
wrote
some
just
a
nice
summary
of
what
happened,
and
so,
if
I
get
his
read
this
real
quick
as
short,
he
district,
he
wrote
our
application
centers
around
minority
business
development.
F
It
employs
an
innovative
approach
using
concepts
of
Lean,
Startup
usability,
testing
and
data-driven
decision-making
to
identify
pain
points
in
the
process.
So
we
can
address
them
in
an
iterative
way.
It
gets
even
better,
though,
rather
than
the
typical
government
model
of
staff
driven
solutions
with
quote
unquote:
community
input,
we
are
flipping
it
on
the
on
its
head.
F
We
envision
a
process
where
the
community
is
involved
at
the
start
of
the
process,
defining
the
very
metrics
that
guide,
how
we
define
success,
building
methods
to
gather
and
impact
those
metrics
and
the
evolving
art
and
and
evolving
our
approach
as
we
go
along.
So
it's
really
meant
to
be
a
very
community,
centered
approach
and
I.
Think
that's
what
the
innovative
piece
of
it
that
might
make
us
successful
with
with
Mayor
Bloomberg,
so
we're
keeping
our
fingers
crossed.
Okay,.
A
A
B
G
A
You
any
other
comments
on
the
consent
agenda,
so
we'll
take
a
vote
all
those
in
favor.
Any
opposed
great
consent
agenda
passes,
so
we're
gonna
make
a
slight
addition
tonight.
We're
gonna
ask
Peggy
Rowe
to
come
up
and
talk
to
us
about
the
oversight
of
council
people,
the
three
people
that
report
to
the
City
Council
directly.
She
gave
this
presentation
earlier
to
the
Governance
Committee,
and
the
government's
committee
thought
that
it
would
be
good
to
prepare
to
just
give
give
the
whole
council
there
something.
Thank.
H
You,
madam
vice
chair
members
of
the
council,
Peggy
Rowe,
Heymann
resources,
director.
First
of
all,
the
city
of
Asheville
has
no
early
retirement
incentives.
The
city
of
Asheville
has
no
retention
bonuses,
so
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
was
clear,
that
we
do
not
any
policy
regarding
that
we
do
not
have
those
practices
general
increases
for
employees,
including
your
direct
reports,
which
are
your
city
manager,
your
city
attorney
and
your
city,
clerk
or
handled
as
part
of
the
budget
process,
and
but
in
the
same
way
that
they
are
for
general
employees.
H
So
when
you
approve
your
budget,
you
approve
a
general
increase
for
your
three
direct
reports.
If
there's
any
additional
increase,
which
in
recent
history,
there
has
not
been
any
additional
increase
or
any
additional
compensation
for
any
of
those
three
individuals
that
would
be
initiated
by
the
council
and
signed
off
by
the
mayor,
so
there
would
be
no
action
taken
by
an
HR
or
payroll
or
any
other
department
without
first
having
it
go
through
the
council
or
the
mayor.
So
just
so,
we
have
that
clear.
H
B
H
Is
in
both
contracts,
the
addressing
of
the
travel
so
that
anytime?
Anyone
of
excuse
me
any
time
the
city
attorney
or
the
the
manager
is
traveling
for
business.
That
travel
would
be
approved
first
by
the
mayor
and
then
any
reimbursements
for
that
travel
would
be
approved
by
the
mayor
before
they're
reimbursed
by
the
the
finance
department.
The
one
exception
to
that
is
the
handling
of
the
travel
for
your
city
clerk,
which
does
go
through
the
city
manager,
not
through
the
council.
H
Just
as
a
side
note,
I
didn't
want
to
make
sure
that
you
realize
that
we
do
have
a
policy
for
what
we
call
quality
of
service
awards,
for
which
those
three
individuals
nor
your
department
directors
are
eligible,
and
these
are
specific
to
extraordinary
events
that
have
taken
place
with
handling
projects
or
finding
efficiencies
cost
savings.
And
that
kind
of
thing
there
are
opportunities
for
employees
to
be
awarded
and
those
go
if
it's
a
twenty
dollar
value.
H
It
goes
to
the
department
director
if
it's
20
to
250
and
it's
approved
by
the
department
director
and
the
HR
director
and
any
amount
above
that
would
go
department,
director,
HR,
director
and
city
manager.
So
the
other
thing,
unless
there
any
questions
about
that,
I
want
to
touch
briefly
on
our
nepeta
see,
there
are
no
questions,
nepotism,
policy
and
just
let
me
also
say
that
these
practices
that
I
just
went
through
with
you
have
been
in
existence
for
a
long
long
time.
These
are
not
new
policies
or
practices.
H
They've
been
in
existence
for
many
many
years.
With
regard
to
nepotism,
we
do
have
a
policy
that
was
put
into
place,
February
2016,
that
superseded
the
previous
nepotism
policy
in
it
it
provides
that
it
requires
that
employees
notify
HR
and
their
department
director
if
they
have
another
relative
working
in
the
city.
H
So
if
you
apply
for
a
job,
you
have
to
note
that
you
have
a
relative
and
what
that
person
who
that
person
is
to
you,
and
we
also
require
that
if
you
become
relatives
with
someone
after
you're
important
that
you
complete
a
form
that
indicates
that
you
have
entered
into
marriage
or
that
your
sister
has
married
someone
in
the
city
whatever
it
is.
It
is
required
that
employees
let
the
but
the
city
become
aware
of
that.
It
states
that
there
will
be
no
direct
reporting
relationship
between
immediate
family
members,
our
significant
others.
H
It
also
goes
on
to
define
those
and
I
won't
read
all
of
it,
but
just
immediate
family
members,
spouse
parent
child
sibling,
grandparent,
grandchild,
aunt,
uncle
niece,
nephew,
in-law
parent
child
or
sibling,
and
step
or
half
parent
child
or
siblings.
So
we
do
have
a
policy,
it
is
pretty
clearly
articulated
and
we
do
make
sure
that
it
always
advise
us
when
they
enter
in
any
kind
of
relationships
with
other
employees.
H
I
Yeah
counsel
I
have
been
made
aware
that
there
is
a
challenge
to
my
ability
to
vote
on
the
River
arts
district
form-based
code
overlay,
and
it
requires
me
to
consult
with
the
bar,
but
the
question
came
up
too
late.
I
actually
just
received
it
for
me
to
have
an
opportunity
to
consult
with
the
bar,
so
I
need
a
motion
to
continue
items,
that'll
be
items
B
and
C
I
believe
because
we
have
to
do
the
parking.
Madam.
I
G
I
I
The
an
item
B
is
the
public
hearing
to
consider
an
ordinance
amending
article
8
of
chapter
7,
of
the
Code
of
Ordinances
to
adopt
the
River
arts
district
form-based
code
for
the
greater
River
arts
district
area
and
the
associated
property.
Rezoning
C
is
a
public
hearing
to
consider
an
ordinance
amending
article
11
of
chapter
7
of
the
Code
of
Ordinances
to
remove
river
parking
reduction
area
in
its
entirety.
So
those
two
are:
can.
I
It's
right
there
paired,
so
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
continue
items
B
and
C
to
the
November
14th
agenda.
Is
there
anyone
wishing
to
speak
on
the
motion
to
continue
items
B
and
C
all
right,
all
those
in
favor,
please
say
aye
any
opposed.
Thank
you
very
much
all
right
to
continue
with
presentations,
and
the
next
presentation
is
the
Finance
Committee
recommendation
to
form
an
asset
parked
Tennis,
Center
task
force
and
Roderick
sentences
here
to
talk
to
us
about
this.
K
K
The
city
manager
asks
staff
to
look
at
what
those
action
steps
will
be
so
what
I'm
going
to
cover
tonight,
all
those
steps
that
one
would
take
a
minute
process
to
give
you
a
little
background
city
staff
in
2014
issued
an
RFP,
proper
ations
of
the
Ashtyn
tennis
park,
with
the
goal,
reducing
the
subsidy
and
looking
at
a
long
language
funding
plan
for
capital.
The
city
received
one
RFP,
which
is
a
proposal
to
evaluate
one
proposal
that
the
city
staff
evaluated.
K
That
did
not
reduce
the
city
subsidy,
so
we
eliminate
it
if
we
did
not
prove
that
to
move
forward.
After
that
process
happened.
The
city
finance
compliance
department
was
charged
with
looking
at
creating
an
operational
business
plan
and
working
with
citizens
to
deliver
that
model.
After
a
few
months,
the
finance
department
worked
with
the
focus
group
to
bring
those
recommendations
to
the
Finance
Committee
in
2014.
The
Finance
Committee
approved
the
process
and
EXCI
staff
to
move
forward
with
a
three-year
process
operating
that
Tennis
Center.
K
At
this
time,
we're
approaching
the
third
year
and
staff
feels
like
it's
a
great
time
to
review
that
business
plan
to
see
it
was
actually
meeting
the
goals
and
objectives
that
was
outlined
when
it
was
created.
What
I
have
up
here
is
a
list
of
those
action
steps
if
food
Council
decide
to
move
forward
with
this
process.
K
On
the
same
page
d,
using
the
public
comment
to
review
and
evaluate
the
current
business
plan
and
make
recommendations
to
the
Parks
and
Recreation
Advisory
Board,
and
we
also
with
the
direction
we're
moving
with
equity
in
the
city
and
our
department
would
ask
that
the
council
consider
us,
using
the
process
of
working
with
the
office
affected
equality
equity
office,
to
ensure
that
the
process
is
fair
and
open
with
those
recommendations
that
come
to
the
Finance
Committee.
So
I'll
take
any
questions
at
that
time.
The
council
hasn't
it.
J
It
has
been
brought
to
us
by
a
group
of
residents,
tennis-playing
residents,
who
are
very
interested
in
in
ensuring
that
Aston
Tennis
Center
succeeds
and
they
essentially,
they
proposed
a
very
similar
thing,
which
is
a
new,
a
new
task
force
to
look
at
at
that.
Why
why?
What
hasn't
been
working?
Do
some
analysis
around
similar
tennis
centers
across
the
across
the
region?
J
And
then
you
know
really
asking
the
question
of
what
is
look
like
it
Aston,
and
how
do
we
get
there
and
I
think
these
two
processes
can
dovetail
together
very
very
well
the
this
group
that
we
have
a
memo
from,
and
there
are
some
representatives
here
of
that
group.
If
we
have
questions
from
them,
but
they
they
recommended
some
individuals
who
would
be.
Who
might
be
a
part
of
that
stakeholder
group.
J
That
analysis
is
just
looking
at
what
other
similar
tennis
centres
around
the
region
and
how
are
they
successful
and
what's
their
mix
of
revenue
and
expenses,
and
things
like
that,
and
then
again
this
series
of
questions
about
what
does
it
mean?
What
will
it
mean
for
ask
them
to
be
successful
when,
when
we
know
that
we've
gotten
there,
that
kind
of
thing
and
and
again
there
are
some
folks
here
from
from
this
group,
if
anybody
is
interested
in
talking
to
them
or
asking
them
some
questions
and.
I
J
And
so
then
our
honor,
maybe
my
questions,
we're
not
there
is
no
vote.
I
guess
I
would
just
I
would
ask,
do
you
have
any
objection
and
so
those
two
things
that
I
recommended
that
those
folks
could
just
indicate
to
you
that
they
would
like
to
participate
in
this
process
and
and
and
bring
some
of
these
other
questions
absolutely.
K
I
Thank
you.
Are
there
any
other
questions?
So
normally
we
don't
take
public
comment
under
presentations,
but
if
you're
here
on
this
topic-
and
you
want
to
raise
your
hand-
and
let
us
know
you're
here-
please
do
so
I
see
a
lot
of
ball
caps
back
there.
This
isn't
the
time
this
isn't:
tennis,
ball,
caps,
no!
Okay,
all
right!
Throw
me
off
there.
I
J
J
So
you
you
have
this
memo
in
front
of
you
and
for
folks
here
in
the
audience
and
and
the
thousands
of
people
watching
at
home.
I
just
want
to
apologize
that
we
I
don't
have
anything
for
you
up
there.
This
I
will
never
again
go
on
vacation
the
week
before
council
meeting,
so
this
just
got
done
this
afternoon,
but
so
I
just
want
to
bring
everybody
up
to
speed
and
remind
you
what
the
task
force
is.
J
So
the
task
force
is
the
body
that
was
that
we
appointed
as
a
joint
project
initiative
between
the
city,
the
county
and
Duke
Energy.
It
has
two
primary
goals:
overarching
goals.
The
first
is
to
avoid
or
delay
construction
of
a
190
megawatt
natural
gas
peaking
unit
at
the
lake
Julian's
site,
and
then
the
longer-term
broader
goal
is
to
reduce
reduce
energy
use
in
Western
North
Carolina
move
to
a
clean
energy
future.
Generally,
the
the
task
force
has
been
working
for
about
18
months
now
the
I
brought
you
will
remember
during
the
budget
price
process.
J
Earlier
this
year,
I
brought
some
recommendations
from
the
task
force
for
city
investments
to
advance
this
work,
and
those
are
reflected
here
and
council
approved
a
total
of
two
hundred
and
two
hundred
two
thousand
five
hundred
dollars.
For
that
and
again,
you
can
see
the
projects
there
that
the
specific
projects
and
allocations
that
were
approved
in
that
process
and
and
on
behalf
of
the
task
force
I
will
say.
Thank
you
for
that
that
that
means
up
a
lot
to
that
work.
J
I
will
just
note
here
that
one
of
the
requests
for
funding
at
that
time
that
we
chose
not
to
fund
was
a
$50,000
request
for
marketing
the
campaign.
The
public
campaign
that
we
knew
was
coming.
We
decided
at
that
point
that
that
was
too
nebulous
an
item
to
fund,
and
so
we
did
not
fund
it
and
that
made
perfect
sense
to
me
at
that
time.
J
So,
in
addition
to
what
we
said
during
the
budget
cycle,
you
will
remember
a
conversation
about
wanting
to
fund
low-income
weatherization
and
we
did
not
know
where
the
funding
for
that
would
come
from.
We
do
now,
and
that
is
that
the
city
and
the
county,
the
county,
actually
applied
for
a
grant
from
the
candida
fund,
one
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars
a
year
for
two
years.
We
were
conditionally
awarded
that
grant
just
a
couple
of
weeks
ago.
So
that's
great
news
and
that
would
fund
the
low-income
weatherization
program.
J
Candida
has
indicated
they
need.
There
were
two
conditions
that
came
along
with
the
award,
and
one
of
them
is
one
the
staff
can
deal
with.
The
other
is
one
that
we
need
to
deal
with,
and
that
is
that
Candida
would
like
an
indication
that
this
is
not
just
a
one
and
done
project
that
we
that
that
this
low-income
weatherization
project
is
just
a
piece
of
this
larger
energy
innovation
task
force
effort.
J
It
is
one
piece
of
our
effort
as
a
community
to
reduce
our
energy
use
and
our
reliance
on
fossil
fuels,
so
so
I
will
be
asking
as
we
get
to
the
end
of
this
for
some
head
nods
that,
yes,
that
is
that
is
true,
so
that
the
county
can
go
back
to
the
candida
fund
and
indicate
and
indicate
that
our
understanding
of
that
there
they
are
not
asking
for
us
to
commit
$2
to
continue
this
low-income
weatherization
program.
They
understand.
We
can't
do
that.
J
So
that's
one
of
things
that
I'll
be
asking
us
for
head
nods
on
later
on,
so
in
terms
of
where
we
are
now
so
we
are
now
at
the
point
where
we
are
ready
to
roll
out
the
community
side
of
this
campaign.
So
there
this
has
been
18
months
of
planning,
18
months
of
Investigation
18
months
of
figuring
out.
How
are
we
going
to
reach
these
goals?
How
are
we
in
fact
going
to
avoid
or
delay
the
construction
of
this
peaker
plant?
J
How
are
we
going
to
bring
our
energy
use
down
overall
and
there
we
now
have
a
series
of
recommendations
from
the
Rocky
Mountain
Institute
that
have
been
approved
by
the
energy
innovation
task
force
around
specific
programs
that
we
need
to
be
promoting
and
the
energy
innovation
task
force
has
approved
the
creation
of
this
community
campaign.
It's
essentially
a
marketing
and
a
marketing
campaign
in
which
we
are
asking
customers
will
be
asking
different
sectors
of
customers
to
do
things
and
to
help
bring
down
our
energy
or
energy
use.
J
The
name
of
this
campaign
is
going
to
be
the
Blue
Horizons
project.
We
are.
We
are
this
close
to
an
approved
logo,
but
I,
don't
I
can't
show
it
to
you
yet,
but
the
it's
it's
it's
gonna,
be
it's
gonna,
be
very
exciting
and
I
won't
go
through
this
in
detail.
But
it's
in
your
memo
that
the
the
actions
that
we
will
be
asking
people
to
do
will
focus
on.
There
will
be
something
for
residential
customers
to
do.
J
There
will
be
a
focus
on
low-income
customers,
the
focus
on
businesses,
and
then
we
will
also
be
publicizing
through
this
campaign.
Other
activities
that
are
going
on
in
our
community
that
around
energy
reduction
and
energy
use
reduction
that
people
can
sign
up
for
and
be
a
part
of.
So
this
is.
This
is
really
the
glue
that
is
going
to
bind
together
a
lot
of
efforts
that
are
happening
in
our
community
around
energy.
J
Right
now
and
again,
the
analysis
has
shown
that,
if
we
are
successful
in
reaching
our
goals
in
driving
additional
people
to
sign
up
for
these
programs,
that
we
will
move
down
the
road
and
meeting
our
goals
around,
avoiding
particularly
around
avoiding
the
the
peaker
plant,
so
it
a
key
aspect.
Aspect
of
this
campaign
is
that
it
is
a
community
campaign.
It
is,
it
needs
to
be
supported
by
the
three
convening
partners,
the
city
in
the
county
and
Duke.
J
If
it
is
not
supported
by
us
sort
of
equally-
and
it
is
viewed
just
as
a
Duke
marketing
effort-
I
think
we
are-
we
have
all
acknowledged
that
it
will
not
be
successful.
So
this
is.
This
is
a
place
where
the
the
city
has
an
opportunity,
and
the
county
and
all
three
partners
have
an
opportunity
to
commit
additional
resources.
Now
that
we
are
at
this
implementation
phase
to
make
all
of
the
work
that
we've
been
doing,
fruitful
and
successful,
and
so
specifically
and
I'm.
J
Now,
on
page
three
of
the
memo,
there
are
some
specific
additional
resources
that
I
am
coming
to
ask
Council
to
approve
today
to
make
this
campaign
successful
and
I'm.
Just
I
am
going
to
go
through
these
again
on
page
three,
so
the
first
is
most
of
these
again
are
staff
time,
and
then
there
is
a
specific
dollar
amount
that
I'll
get
to
in
just
a
minute.
So,
first
of
all,
there's
staff
time
to
work
together
with
the
county
and
Duke
on
organizing
the
public
launch
of
this
campaign,
which
we
are
envisioning.
J
What
happened
in
January
so
we're
hoping
that
the
website
will
go
live
this
fall,
but
then
we
will
do
the
big
public
push
in
January,
so
there
we
want
that
to
be
a
media
event
and
we'll
need
would
like
city,
help
city
staff
and
help
help
in
organizing
and
publicizing
that
staff
time
and
helping
to
implement
the
communications
plan.
So
we
we
communications
plan,
is
being
developed
by
the
same
firm
that
has
developed
the
logo
and
the
website
and
all
of
that
and
and
again
I
think.
J
The
city's
role
in
that
will
not
be
necessarily
a
leadership
role,
but
will
just
be,
you
know,
can
using
the
avenues
that
we
have
and
that
we
use
for
communications
to
continue
to
promote
this
campaign.
So
you
know
promoting
it
on
the
website,
promoting
it
on
our
social
media
avenues,
maybe
doing
doing
an
op-ed
that
sort
of
thing.
J
So,
that's
that's,
not
a
big
lift,
but
just
continue
it
for
the
city
to
continue
to
promote
this
campaign
throughout
the
year
staff
time
in
working
with
Duke
and
other
community
partners
to
identify
and
engage
neighbor
neighborhoods
to
be
the
focus
of
Duke
Energy's
neighborhood
Energy
Savers
program.
The
neighborhood
Energy
Savers
program
is
their
low-income
weatherization
program.
That's
Duke's
program.
J
J
There
may
be
other
projects
that
come
up
in
the
future.
That
could
benefit
from
addition,
some
additional
staff
time
and
I've.
Just
I
would
like
to
to
ask
here
sort
of
your
re
commitment
that,
yes,
this
continues
to
be
a
priority,
that
the
city
staff
should
give
some
time
to,
and
I
can't
be
more
specific
than
that,
but
just
that
we
continue
to
be
a
meaningful,
supportive
partner
and
then
the
final
bullet
is
contribute
twenty
five
thousand
dollars
for
a
campaign
coordinator
and
associated
marking
and
marketing
and
outreach.
J
Thinking
about
this
campaign,
thinking
about
how
to
make
it
successful,
as
opposed
to
you
know
the
city
having
some
pieces
and
Duke
having
some
pieces
and
the
Greenville
alliance
having
some
pieces
and
the
county
having
some
pieces
there
there
there
needs
to
be
some
coordinated
effort,
some
coordinating
person
who
is
bringing
it
all
together
and
making
it
making
it
successful.
Could
we
do
something
without
that
position?
Probably
would
it
be
as
wildly
successful
as
we
need
it
to
be?
J
Probably
not
so
I
realized
that
I
am
coming
to
you
all
for
additional
money
off
budget
cycle
and
I
apologize
for
that.
I
will
go
back
to
the
fact
that
we
previewed
this
in
the
original
budget,
request
that,
when
that
$50,000,
that
we
decided
not
to
fund,
because
the
ask
was
too
vague,
but
but
here
it
is
in
more
concrete
form
and
I
will
say
that
the
county
has
already
committed
their
$25,000,
and
you
did
confirm.
J
I
did
confirm
that
I
spoke
with
browning
Newman
this
morning,
and
Duke
continues
to
look
for
the
appropriate
places
that
they
might
find
similar
funding.
They
have
to
be
because
they
are
such
a
highly
regulated
company.
They
have
to
be
very
careful
about
how
they
allocate
their
dollars
and
to
efforts
like
this,
so
that
they
they
have
not
identified
that
source,
yet
that
they
are
looking.
So
with
all
of
that,
let
me
then,
just
close
with
these
specific
three
sort
of
recommended
actions
and
and
I
think
what
we
need
to
do.
J
J
So
the
first
one
is
recommit
long-term
support
for
the
energy
innovation
task
force
and
it's
two
major
goals
beyond
the
two-year
scope
of
the
Candida
Fund
grant.
So
so
this
would
be
a
head
nod,
but
that
we
need
to
give
the
Candida
Fund
assurances
that
this
is
that
we're
not
just
one
and
done
and
we're
not
gonna,
walk
away
from
this
in
two
years,
and
you
know
what
I
think.
I
A
A
What's
the
plan,
because
I
think
it's
just
important
that
we
not
just
agree
to
just
a
staff
time
is
not
infinite,
and
so
before
I
kind
of
would
nod
to
number
two
I
just
would
like
a
sense
and
it
doesn't
have
to
be
tonight.
But
what
does
that
mean?
And
then
I
also
want
to
know
what
the
other
partners
are
doing
relative
to
giving
staff
support,
etc,
etc?
L
J
Thank
you
so
so
let
me
just
go
go
through
these
again,
so
everybody
is
is
up
to
speed
on
that.
So
so
there
was
number
one
and
then
number
two
is
the
support
for
additional
staff
time,
as
outlined
as
I
just
outlined
above
again,
can't
be
really
more
specific
than
that
at
this
point.
But
it's
this
is
really
about
again
the
city
continuing
to
show
its
support
for
this
effort
and
I
think
you
know
again
what
I
want
to
hear
from
you.
J
Out
there
you
know
sort
of
saying
yes,
the
city's
committed
and
supported
to
this
and
I
just
want
to
get
a
double
check
with
you
guys
that,
yes,
we
are,
and
it's
not
just
it's
not
just
Julie
out
there
by
herself
it's
it's
it's
the
weight
of
the
city
behind
behind
this
as
well,
and
then
the
third
piece
is
again
the
$25,000
and
and
on
that
point
you
know
we
again.
We
can't
vote
on
that
tonight.
J
We
don't
have
a
budget
amendment
in
front
of
us,
and
so
that
will
have
to
come
back
anyway,
and
maybe
we
can
just
calendar
it
to
come
back
when
that
first
quarter
budget
report
comes
back.
I
will
also,
in
the
meantime,
at
the
November
10th
energy
innovation
taskforce,
get
an
official
vote
from
the
task
force.
Recommending
that
council
provide
the
support.
There
was
the
the
task
force
is
not
in
the
habit
of
taking
formal
votes
on
lots
of
things
they
they
did
head
nods
around
at
the
meeting
last
Friday,
but
didn't
take
a
formal
vote.
J
M
Time
is
that
just
a
quick
question,
first
of
all,
it's
cool
that
everyone's
at
the
table
and
pursuing
this
lofty
aspirational
goal
of
shutting
down
the
speaker
plant
and
what
you
brought
forward
tonight.
It
makes
sense
to
me
what
my
question
is
at
some
point:
will
there
be
some
sort
of
comprehensive
strategy
rather
than
us
doing
this
kind
of
mission
creep
style?
Yes,.
J
So
one
of
the
other
things
that
is
in
process
right
now
is
the
development
of
sort
of
the
plan.
This
whole
effort
has
been
we've
been
working
toward
creating
what,
in
what
in
our
minds,
has
been
kind
of
a
you
know
a
a
year
to
two
year
work
plan.
You
know
what
is
it
that
we're
going
to
be?
What
is
that
we
know
we're
going
to
be
doing
what
are
things
that
we're
still
investigating?
J
What
are
all
the
strategies
that
we're
going
to
be
using
to
try
to
meet
these
two
goals
and
I
and
I?
Don't
at
this
point,
I
don't
anticipate
coming
back
to
Council,
probably
until
until
the
next
budget
cycle
and
I,
don't
I,
don't
even
know
if
there
would
be
any
additional
then,
but
yes,
we
now
we
will
have
the
plan
soon
and
that
will
be
up
on
the
website.
I
can
share
that
with
you,
and
you
know
it
might
make
sense
to
even
have
somebody
come
back.
J
I
have
not
given
you
all
any
of
the
wonky
data
details
in
this
and
I'm
just
sort
of
saying
that,
yes,
we
know
that
this
stuff
will
work.
If
we
do
it
right,
if
I'm
happy
to
have
somebody
come
talk
about
the
dirty
data
details,
if
you,
if
we
want
them
as
well,
but
but
to
your
point,
I
I,
do
hope
that
this
is
the
last.
You
know
it
again,
at
least
until
the
next
budget
cycle,
when
when
there
are
other
things
that
will
have
been
teed
up,
has.
C
G
A
few
questions
first
I
want
to
say
thank
you
for
the
work
that
you've
done
on
the
energy
innovation
task
force.
I,
don't
know
that
it's
something
that's
I
can
definitely
see
the
passion
in
it,
but
I've
got
I
for
one
am
not
a
fiscal
Hawk
by
far
probably
I
am
not
that
guy,
but
I
do
have
some
problems
with
this.
B
G
Small
amount,
it's
twenty-five
thousand,
it's
outside
of
the
budget
cycle
which
disturbs
me
a
bit
considering.
That
is
that
it
was
the
hope
that
the
council
would
move
toward
a
participatory
budgeting
and
not
necessarily
knowing
what
that
looks
like
in
the
future.
Having
an
outside
ask
$25,000
could
be
a
lot
to
a
smaller
organization
that
could
actually
do
something
different
I'm,
not
against
your
programs
or
anything
that
you're
trying
to
do.
But
it's
just
just
some
things
that
I
just
kind
of
want
to
try
to
work
through.
G
J
J
We
will
be
asking
people
to
sign
up
for
what's
called
energy
wise
and,
as
that
is
the
Duke
Energy
program
that
in
which
you
allow
Duke
to
come
place,
something
on
your
hot
water
here
and
your
HVAC
system
and
allows
them
to
cycle
those
appliances
off
during
peak
energy
times
for
brief
periods
of
time
to
reduce
their
peak
load.
We
our
subscription
rate
for
that
program
here,
is
extremely
low
and
it
is
one
of
our
best
opportunities
to
shave
the
peak
energy
use
so
that
we
can
avoid
the
plant.
J
So
that's
the
residential
ask
the
low
income
weatherization
Tartt.
Those
programs
are
going
to
be
both
the
new
city
and
county
program
and
then
the
neighborhood
Energy
Savers
program
that
I
mentioned
earlier
businesses.
We
will
be
asking
businesses
to
sign
up
for
the
business
energy
wise,
which
is
the
same
program
but
for
businesses,
and
this.
J
Sponsor
and
then
the
other
is
Duke
has
a
small
business
energy
saver
program
that
will
pay
small
businesses
will
pay
up
to
on
an
average
pay
up
to
80
percent,
but
on
average
that
it
pays
about
60%
of
the
cost
of
energy
efficiency
retrofits
to
small
businesses
and
since
most
of
our
businesses
and
national
are
small
businesses.
This
is
this
is
where
we're
going
to
focus
there.
B
J
J
These
programs
doesn't
work
here
for
whatever
reason,
and
so
the
the
the
whole
point
really
behind
the
energy
innovation
task
force
is
to
create
this
community
partnership
that
sends
the
message
to
residents
and
customers
here
that
this
is
not
the
you
know,
we
have
a
problem,
we
have
a
problem
and
that
we
have
this
pending
big
190
megawatt
fossil
fuel
plant
out
there,
and
if
we
want
to
avoid
it,
we
have
to
work
together,
and
this
is
Duke
cannot
do
it
alone.
The
city
can't
do
it
alone.
The
county
can't
do
alone.
J
G
C
I
could
imagine
that
we,
the
Blue
Horizon
project,
could
do
something
like
Fort
Collins
Colorado
did,
which
was
to
divide
the
city
into
neighborhoods
or
use
existing
neighborhoods
and
set
up
competitions
between
the
neighborhoods,
who
can
get
the
most
people
onto
the
energy-saving
program?
Who
can
cut
their
energy
bills
the
most
and
it
worked
there.
It
worked
significantly
there
to
where
they
have
a
net
zero
district
downtown,
so
I
mean
I.
Don't
know
why
Asheville
likes
to
say,
like
we
have
the
highest
percentage
of
hybrid
and
electric
cars
per
capita
in
the
state
we
have.
C
G
What
I
guess
what
I'm
really
getting
at
is
that
I
don't
dispute
the
importance
of
the
project
period
at
all.
What
I
do
have
concern
with
is
that
I'm,
pretty
sure
Duke
has
has
the
finances
to
advocate
for
its
own
programs
and
asked
the
city
to
be
partners
with
them,
but
I
don't
see
coming
and
off
off
the
budget
cycle
for
a
specific
staff.
This
is
for
specific
staff
person.
Oh.
J
Sorry
would
not,
this
would
not
be
for
a
staff
person
housed
at
the
city.
No,
this
would
be.
This
would
be
a
camp.
The
the
the
energy
generation
task
force
has
talked
about
it
in
the
context
of
a
campaign
coordinator
that
would
live
at
that
would
be
housed
at
the
green
built
Alliance,
which
is
the
new
name
for
the
Western
North
Carolina
building
council.
So
again,
this
is
this:
the
city
doesn't
this,
which
is
a
nonprofit,
so
the
city
doesn't
own,
it
and
Duke
doesn't
own
it,
and
the
county
doesn't
own
it.
J
We
own
it
together
and
so
housing.
This
person
in
a
in
a
neutral
place
and
I,
should
add
that
the
green,
the
green
built
Alliance
has
been
there.
Executive
director
has
been
a
member
of
the
task.
Force,
has
chaired
one
of
the
working
groups
and
has
been
a
key
member
in
this
work
from
the
very
beginning.
So.
G
I
guess
at
this
point
time
maybe
I
just
need
to
speak
with
you
off
the
dice
and
maybe
get
some
more
information
or
at
this
point
I
might
just
I
can't
give
the
nod
to
the
such
a
stone.
I
see
the
purpose
in
the
energy
innovation
task
force
and
the
good
work
that
it
can
do.
I
just
don't
see
the
purpose
of
finding
a
staff
person
that
that
somehow
is
gonna
magically
do
what
you
can't
do
on
its
own
dollar.
There.
J
J
I
L
J
G
J
So
the
second,
the
second
thing
is
again
as
we
as
we
go
to
launch
this
campaign.
You
know
I
the
city
in
the
county.
Well,
so
as
we
move
as
we
move
into
this
campaign
again
for
it
to
be
successful,
the
city
as
a
key
convening
partner
of
the
task
force
needs
to
in,
in
my
view
and
in
the
view
of
the
task
force,
needs
to
be
willing
to
put
some
time
into
making
sure
that
this
campaign
is
successful.
J
So
you
know
otherwise
we
will
have
spent
18
months
doing
work
and
then
step
back
and
say:
okay,
somebody
else
make
it
successful
and
I,
don't
I,
don't
I,
don't
think.
That's
necessarily
what
we
intended
when
we
when
we
formed
this
task
force
early
last
year,
I
think
the
concern
is
that
if
the
city
is
not
able
to
put
some
resources
toward
it,
then-
and
this
is
staff
time
this
is
not.
This
is
not
dollars.
J
C
J
I
So
how
this
actually
works
of
applying
more
staff
time
to
support
the
Commission?
It's
an
administrative
decision.
This
is
more
asking
whether
or
not
a
majority
of
council
supports
the
administration
up
buying
more
staff.
The
kids
are
supporting
the
Commission,
that's
right
more
than
what's
happening
right
now,
which
is
a
very
basic
level
of
support.
That's
right.
P
I
Q
I
I
Anything
like
direct
the
city
manager
to
do
something
with
staffing
like
this,
that
I
can
think
of
and
I'm,
not
exactly
sure
how
it
works.
I
mean
I,
think
I
think
we
have.
We
have
some
tension
around
this
commission
because
it's
not
it's
a
little
bit
of
a
stepchild
in
terms
of
the
way
it's
being
treated
from
a
city
perspective
and
and.
I
I
think
what
you're
saying
is
for
it
to
be
more
successful
than
it
is
it's
going
to
need
more
robust
staff
support
and
and
how
that
works,
and
is
it's
not
something
we
don't
get
into
micromanaging
and
we're
not
a
little
we're
basically
not
allowed
to
do
that,
but
but
I
think
what
you're
asking
from
us
tonight
is
just.
It
show
our
indication
that
there
be
more
support
shown
for
this
commission
from
a
staffing
perspective
right.
J
And
that,
and
so
that,
when
when
there
are
things
that
the
city
that
it
would
be
helpful
for
the
city
to
participate
in
and
be
a
part
of
its,
it
isn't
just
me
sitting
there
at
the
table,
but
that
because
I
can't
do
anything,
I
can't
you
know
I
can't
do
anything.
I
can't
commit
the
city
or
the
city
staff
or
the
city
dollars
to
do
anything,
and
so
what
I'm
asking
you
all
for
is
to
say.
J
G
Say
for
me
personally,
I
wouldn't
preclude
myself
from
saying
that
I
wouldn't
want
to
allocate
staff
toward
toward
this
project.
However,
what-
and
we
haven't
been
in
that
realm
before
not
saying
that
we
won't
ever
go
there,
but
I
would
really
like
to
have
some
relay
information
back
to
what
staffs
limits
are
at
the
current
time,
at
least
before
I
I
give
a
nod.
I
Is
really
first
wins
for
never
breathlessly
great,
so
and
then
the
next
piece
is
the
funding
piece
and
because
this
was
embedded
in
a
presentation
and
it's
not
being
presented
to
us
as
a
formal
budget
amendment,
it
would
need
to
come
back
to
us,
and
you
know
in
concept.
I
am
supportive.
We
created
the
task
force
and
so
and
we
knew
what
the
task
force
was
going
to
to
do.
I
Forward-Thinking
programs
and
they're
able
to
harness
a
lot
of
grant
money
so
and
I,
know
you're
working
with
different
potential
funders
of
grants,
and
we
don't
have
word
back
on
that
yet,
but
I
would
want
to
make
sure
that
we've
exhausted
many
grant
opportunities
for
funding
like
this,
so
which
just
comes
back
to
us
for
consideration
as
a
formal
budget.
Amendment
I
want
to
have
some
information
about.
I
You
know
the
fiscal
performance
of
the
city
where
we're
able
to
get
these
funds
and
whether
or
not
we've
exhausted
other
opportunities
for
grant
funding,
which
I
recognize
is
a
little
bit
of
a
chicken
and
egg
problem,
because
you
don't
have
staffing
for
this
commission
who's
who
are
writing,
grant
applications.
I
assume
you're,
basically
doing
that.
Having.
I
C
I
J
I
F
I
M
This
is
something
that
came
that
came
out
of
the
October
3rd
meeting
as
we
kind
of
began
talking
about
short-term
rental
and
that
lodging
use
in
the
river
arts
district
form-based
code,
actually
as
Haywood
Road
form-based
code
and
it
morphed
into
a
broader
conversation
about
the
stuff
citywide
and
looking
at
how
we're
doing
in
regards
to
enforcement
and
with
the
knowledge
that
there
are
a
lot
of
illegal
operators
out
there.
We
asked
have
to
come
back
and
just
kind
of,
let
us
know
where
things
stand
and
what
I
was
curious
about.
M
Is
you
know
how
we
get
to
zero
in
regards
to
the
illegal
use,
and
so
what
we
received
here-
and
this
is
a
part
of
the
packet
which
is
available
online
for
everybody
at
the
agenda
there,
but
we're
we're
seeing
that
enforcement
is
ramping
up.
Some
of
the
numbers
of
citations
have
actually
begun
to
decrease
as
fewer
and
fewer
users
are
illegally
coming
online
as
a
result
of
the
strong
policy
position
and
increasing
enforcement
measures.
M
As
a
result,
I
think
that
I
think
one
of
the
questions
here
that
isn't
answered
in
the
report
is
whether,
whether
what
we're
doing
now
gets
us
where
we're
going
or
whether
there
needs
to
be
more
done,
and
that
was
something
I
didn't
really
see
in
the
report.
I
see
the
trend
line
and
it's
we
don't
have
a
whole
lot
of
data
yet
because
just
because
the
amount
of
time
that
we've
been
focused
on
this,
but
that
would
be
my
question-
is:
does
this
get
us
where
we're
going?
M
I
M
E
Shannon,
that's
coming
up
the
last
four
to
comment
on
that,
but
I
think
some
of
it
is
is
that
when
these
notices
are
saying
that
it
takes
time
to
get
compliance
on
them,
so
I
think
that
just
adding
more
staff
in
and
of
itself
is
not
necessarily
going
to
get
us
to
zero
as
quickly
and
there's
just
some
other
logistics
in
terms
of
being
able
to
identify
where
the
violators
are
but
I'll.
Let
Shannon
speak
to
that.
A
little
bit
more.
We've
had
some
conversation
around
it,
but
let
her
provide
more
information.
L
Thank
You
mayor
members
of
council,
as
Miss
ball
is
indicated
the
once
the
properties
are
identified,
our
enforcement
strategies
and
our
techniques
seem
to
be
pretty
effective.
The
very
large
majority
of
the
properties
that
are
identified
are
brought
into
compliance
through
a
variety
of
options,
our
biggest
challenge
to
reaching
zero
as
you
describe
it
is
our
inability
to
identify
all
of
the
properties
that
are
currently
operating
illegally.
L
So
there
are
quite
a
number
that
are
still
unidentified
and
this
how
you
identify
those
properties
becomes
very
difficult
on
the
listings
themselves.
When
you
evaluate
them,
don't
give
you
any
identifying
information,
it
makes
it
very
difficult
to
to
figure
out
who
they
are
where
they
are
so,
and
you
can't
take
enforcement
action
without
being
able
to
do
that.
So.
L
L
Who
are
trying
to
answer
this
question
for
us
as
well
they're
doing
a
lot
of
work,
I
mean
I.
Think
the
third-party
consultant
that
we're
using
to
help
identify
the
properties
has
been
very
helpful.
It's
been
very
useful.
They
really
produce
quite
a
lot
of
data
for
us
that
makes
it
makes
a
lot
of
the
the
more
tedious
and
time-consuming
work
is
already
done
for
us.
J
Shannon
I
have
a
question.
The
the
memo
references
address,
identify
the
address
identification
service,
so
it's
I
guess
I
was
under
the
impression
that
we,
if
there
is
a
listing
that
we
actually
know
where
that
is
and
but
I
hear
you
saying
that
there
are
still
and
maybe
even
several
hundred
out
there-
that
we
don't
know.
That's.
L
A
there
are
several
hundred
that
we
don't
know
in
order
for
us
to
the
the
listings,
the
identification
service
that
we
use
basically
crawls
the
internet.
You
know
they
look
at
all
of
the
different
platforms.
They
look
at
all
of
the
information,
that's
posted
in
individual
listings,
and
it
tries
to
use
that
information
and
cross-reference
it
against
a
variety
of
data.
That's
available
publicly
in
order
to
to
to
match
a
listing
with
an
address.
M
Over
in
West
Asheville,
who
there's
a
next-door
neighbor
who's
doing
there
an
illegal
whole
house
STR
there
and
they
they
come
over
about
every
three
days
and
move
their
car.
So
it
looks
like
they're
there.
They
open
and
shut
various
blinds
in
the
house
to
make
it
appear
that
they're
living
there
there's
folks
who
are
going
to
great
lengths
to
maintain
their
illegal
whole
house.
Short-Term,
rentals,
Shane.
G
L
Constantly
I
mean
we,
we
have
rentals
that
come
off
the
market.
We
have
rentals
that
come
on
the
market,
so
we're
always
dealing
with
a
new
supply
of
rentals,
and
so
in
looking
back
over
the
last
12
months,
we
know
that
the
number
of
rentals
seems
to
kind
of
hover
in
the
nine
hundred
to
a
thousand
range
and
our
enforcement
numbers.
L
Have
you
know
the
number
of
notices
of
violation
we've
issued,
have
kind
of
dropped
down
some
and
that
might
be
sort
of
us
starting
to
kind
of
get
to
the
point
where
we're
maintaining
the
number
of
properties
that
can
be
legal
or
becoming
legal
provided
the
table
in
your
report.
That
kind
of
shows
the
very
large
majority
of
the
largest
percentage
of
the
identified
listings
come
to
compliance
through
a
homestay
permit
and
then
others
come
into
compliance
through
other
ways,
so
I
think
we're
effectively
managing
homestay
program.
L
G
M
That
was
an
effort
to
make
sure
that
people
could
leverage
their
properties
to
be
able
to
create
some
income
through
this
platform
without
jeopardizing
the
housing
stock
in
the
city
of
Asheville
through
illegal
whole
house,
rentals
more
broadly
in
regards
to-
and
this
is
I'm
sorry
Shanna
this-
this
is
going
to
Kathy
I
appreciate
you
coming
up.
The
conversation
also
was
raised
around
looking
at
those
commercial
areas
where
the
short-term
rental
use
is
currently
legal
and
starting
to
look
at
some
policy
around
that.
M
As
far
as
how
what
direction
Council
would
like
that
to
get
and
what
we
haven't
done,
yet
it's
kind
of
formulated
a
way
to
develop
that
policy.
You
know
we're
kind
of
talking
about
it
up
here,
but
I
wondered
Kathy.
If
you
had
any
suggestions
in
regard
to
process
of
how
to
go
about
some
policy
analysis
and
more
formalized
discussion
around
that
I.
E
Don't
know
that
we
have
data
that
would
would
show
us
how
many
are
well
I
think
we
would
have
data.
They
could
show
us
in
those
other
commercial
zones,
how
many
people
we
have
utilizing
what
we
would.
They
would
still
have
to
get
a
change
of
use
into
lodging.
That's
my
understanding,
so
we
could
take
a
look
at
the
other
uses
and
where
we're
finding
short-term
rentals
occur,
say
in
in
the
other
river
district
or
other
zoning.
E
So
we
could
provide
data
that
would
I
think
drive
us
to
the
point
of
saying:
where
do
we
think
we
have
potential
conflicts
based
on
councils
direction,
where
we
could
have
conflict
between
neighborhoods
and
these
short-term
rentals
occurring,
like
in
my
example
as
a
River
district?
Just
because
that's
the
one
I'm
thinking
of
so
we
can
bring
back
the
data,
inserting
an
analysis
with
how
many
we
have
occurring
legally.
E
That
still
does
not
help
us
with
how
many
could
potentially
be
happening
without
that
I
think
that
would
be
the
beginning
point
and
then
trying
to
target
where
council
views
that
those
have
the
most
impact
on
the
quality
of
life
for
the
citizens.
So
being
able
to
identify
that
would
be
a
recommendation
to
and
analyze
that,
and
then
we
would
come
back
to
you
with
based
on
what
your
concerns
are
around
it.
A
Would
support
starting
that
process
and
and
and
especially
showing
how
many
new
short-term
rentals
are
being
applied
for
or
or
we
or
have
become
legal
within
the
commercial
zoning
areas,
because
we're
hearing
that
a
lot
out
in
the
community
that
that
there's
commercial
properties
that
are
flipping
into
short-term
rentals?
So
even
though
it
not
have
been
housing
use
before
we've.
Now
we're
converting
or
people
are
converting.
A
Small
businesses
into
short-term
rentals
and
so
I
would
support
starting
to
get
that
data
and
then,
if
staff
could
come
up
with
kind
of
a
plan
on
what
would
you?
What
would
you
do
to
study
this
issue
so
that
council
could
move
forward
one
way
or
the
other
on
it,
because
it
continues
to
come
up
the
fact
that
it's
legal
in
sections
in
the
city,
this.
M
Sounds
like
a
great
idea:
I
can
suggest
a
process.
I
can
do
this
very
easily
because
I
won't
be
here
for
it.
So
this
is
only
by
way
of
tried
to
do
a
little
problem-solving
and
move
things
along.
There's
a
couple
of
different
process
options.
One
would
be
to
just
kind
of
move
this
to
PE,
D
and
start
having
a
discussion
there.
M
Another
would
be
to
include
it
as
part
of
a
of
the
City
Council
retreat
that
will
be
helped
with
the
next
iteration
of
council
I'm,
not
exactly
sure
what
the
date
it
would
be
for
that.
But
to
be
able
to
have
have
that
discussion
happen
at
that
level
would
be
another
option,
so
those
are
just
just
ideas:
throw
them
out
there
I.
J
C
E
Q
J
B
O
M
L
So
I
had
anticipated
this
question
our
or
this
preference,
or
need
to
identify
where
we've
had
these
conversion
of
residential
units
into
short-term
rentals.
So
I've
been
talking
with
our
development
services
staff
about
this
to
make
sure
I
had
understood
what
some
of
the
challenges
to
that
had
been.
We
would
have
presented
this
information
to
you
already
had
me.
If
we
had
this
information,
the
permit
system
that
we
use
has
some
some
limitations.
L
We
cannot
of
all
changes
of
these
applications
require,
for
all
conversions
of
residential
units
to
lodging
requires
a
change
of
visa
application
user
processed
as
what
we
call
level
one
applications.
So
when
we
sort
for
that
information
in
a
permit
system,
we
get
all
level
ones
which
includes
a
wide
variety.
So
then
we
try
to
narrow
it
down
by
searching
on
keywords
and-
and
that
is
only
as
good
as
the
consistency
of
the
people
who
enter
these
applications-
that
they
use
the
same
keywords
and
they
don't
so.
L
We've
we've
attempted
a
bunch
of
different
trials
and
trying
to
kind
of
come
up
with
this
information,
and
we've
we've
not
felt
confident
about
the
the
data
that
we've
collected,
so
we
haven't
been
presenting
it.
The
other
limitation
that
we
have
is
that
the
system
doesn't
allow
us
to
search
in
a
geographic
area,
so
to
just
say
how
many
occurred
in
the
downtown
or
helmut
couldn't
occurred
on
or
Henderson
girl
wrote
we're
not
able
to
do
that
so
moving
forward.
L
We
may
be
able
to
identify
a
specific
subtype
to
the
application
so
that
to
make
sure
that
that
gets
tracked,
that's
what
we
did
to
homestay
permits
about
a
year
ago.
So
that's
how
we're
able
to
have
that
data
for
you
now.
So
we
can
do
that
moving
forward,
we'll
continue
to
see
if
we
can
get
the
data
you
know
over
the
last
year
or
so
for
those
conversions
but
I'm
afraid.
Whatever
we
get
me,
it
may
just
be
a
little
so.
L
B
A
Even
if
data
is
not
absolutely
accurate,
we
cannot
use
this
as
an
excuse
not
to
start
looking
at
it
and
it
just
becomes
a
bit
of
a
panic.
I
mean
I'm,
not
panicked,
but
this
isn't
good
and
if
that's
what
we're
seeing,
we
need
to
address
it.
Whether
we've
got
perfect,
accurate
numbers
or
not.
Citizens
certainly
sense
that
what
you're
saying
is
happening
and
it's
happening
rapidly,
so
I,
don't
think
that
that
council
can
take
a
pass
because
we
don't
have
all
the
data
in
place.
L
I
don't
mean
to
suggest
that
we
won't
come
back
with
some
data.
I
think
we
need
to
spend
more
time
on
it.
It
may
require
some
manual
culling,
so
we
may
have
to
just
kind
of
go
through
some
level
one
applications
and
go
back
a
certain
time
and
just
start.
You
know
trying
to
just
go
through
one
by
one
and
see
to
try
to
get
some
basic
as
me,
a
sec
numbers
to
start
with,
but.
A
A
J
And
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
I
understood
what
you
just
said
did
I
hear
you
to
say
that
projects
that
have
come
in
and
been
approved
as
long
as
apartments
or
condos
are
now
coming
back
to
the
city
and
changing
those
applications,
so
that
those
same
that
same
building
will
now
be
exclusively
short-term.
Rentals,
instead
of
lodging
for
people
who
live
here.
L
Exclusively
or
a
combination
of
so
in
some
instances,
especially
the
downtown
because
of
the
the
threshold
now
at
20
guestrooms
they
are
coming
in
and
converting
you
know
19,
guestrooms
or
20.
You
know
anything
of
stopping
at
20
and
then
leaving
the
rest
to
be
residential
units.
In
addition
to
that,
we're
also
seeing
what
I
think
most
of
us
would
think
of
as
multifamily
structures
now
coming
in.
So
it's
not
just
the
individual
unit
and
the
individual
owner
coming
in
or
doing
a
short-term
rental
now
they're
coming
in
as
multiple
units
and
short-term
rentals.
L
S
J
I
So,
let's
do
this
so
so
we
have
two
parts
of
this
conversation.
One
is:
is
there
more?
We
can
do
around
enforcement
that
we're
not
are
we
doing?
Is
it
a
matter
of
something
that
council
needs
to
bless
like
more
funding
or
something
like
that?
That's
a
question
for
staff.
Shannon,
you've
heard
it
tonight.
I
So
so
what
what
you're
trying
to
understand,
if
I
hear
you
all
correctly,
is
to
get
a
handle
on
how
many
units
are
we
talking
about
in
these
non-residential
districts?
Is
this?
You
know
100
units
citywide
is
it?
Is
the
trajectory
growing
and
I
hear
Shannon,
saying
that
we
have
developers
who
are
coming
back
and
saying
hey
I
meant
to
my
project
to
be
able
to
allow
for
this
use.
I
Should
I
want
to
do
this
in
part,
because,
right
now
what
we
have
downtown
is
the
city
allows
short-term
rentals
by
default,
because
we
don't
we
don't.
We
haven't
banned
them
in
the
downtown,
for
example,
but
there
are
developers
that
have
built
condo
buildings
that
have
their
own
set
of
restrictions.
That
may
bar
short-term
rentals
like
a
lot
of
the
subdivisions
in
South,
Africa
and
east
Asheville,
which
is
why
we
don't
hear
a
lot
from
South
passional
and
East.
I
Nashville's
they've
already
managed
this
internally
in
their
communities
or
now
we're
starting
to
see
what
I
would
call
sort
of
investment
properties
where
people
are
buying
them.
Maybe
they
want
to
live
here
part
of
the
year
and
they
want
to
be
able
to
to
rent
them
out
the
rest
of
the
time,
so
they
can
make
them
income
producers.
For
some
reason
we
just
don't
have
a
feel
for
how
big
this
is
right
now
in
Asheville.
So,
do
we
want
to
ask
staff
to
figure
out
if
there's
a
way
to
get
a
handle
on
that
number?
I
We
don't
need
to
tell
anymore
I'm
sure
you'll
be
able
to
have
other
cities.
You
can
look
at
us
for
examples
on
how
they
dealt
with
it.
We
have
our
fellow
brethren
grappling
with
this
issue
across
the
country
in
Portland
Oregon
in
San,
Francisco
in
Austin,
Texas
and
Boulder
Colorado,
and
all
the
other
great
places
that
are
being
slightly
squeezed
by
their
greatness.
So.
I
G
I
B
C
I
Q
O
Gonna
say
something
too
about
the
commercial
condo
applications.
Keep
in
mind
that
the
way
it's
written
now
is
that
each
individual
condo
unit
is
a
dwelling
unit
so
that,
ultimately,
that
decision
is
going
to
be
on
each
individual
owner.
So
even
if
you
got
permitted
as
residential
and
you
had
50
units
each
one
of
those
people
could
come
in
and
convert
it,
so
it's
just
going
to
come
down
owner
by
owner
the
way
it's
written
right
now.
I
Okay,
well,
have
we
finished
presentations
here
all
right.
We
have
two
public
hearing
items
remaining.
The
first
is
a
public
hearing
to
consider
the
conditional
zoning,
a
property
located
on
95
Roberts
Street
from
River
district
to
lodging
expansion,
conditional
zoning
for
the
renovation
of
an
existing
building
for
a
lodging
use
with
additional
space
for
retail
and
restaurant
uses
and
Jessica
Bernstein
is
going
to
present
this
topic
thanks.
T
B
T
Off
of
the
map
is
the
roundabout
and
the
bridge
over
from
the
river
arts
district.
The
site,
as
I
mentioned,
has
an
existing
building
on
the
parcel,
and
it
is
currently
pretty
much
vacant.
It
is
a
former
industrial
use.
The
proposal
is
to
renovate
this
historic
industrial
building
for
a
70
room,
watching
use
and
also
areas
for
retail
and
restaurant
space,
sights
a
bit
constrained
because
primarily
most
of
it
is
taken
up
by
that
building.
You
can
see
here
on
the
site
plan,
there's
a
little
bit
of
space
on
each
side.
T
That's
that
is
not
developed
right
now.
The
applicants
actually
going
through
historic
preservation,
tax
credits
and
so
they've
been
working
with
the
state,
stork
Preservation
Office
on
what
exactly
could
be
done
in
those
areas
and
and
right
now
the
word
from
the
Shippo.
Is
they
really
want
to
leave
those
those
areas
as
undeveloped
as
possible
to
better
respect
how
the
building
in
the
site
functioned
when
it
wasn't
industrial
use,
so
there's
also
an
open
space
requirement
so
that
actually
helps
them
in
meeting
their
open
space
requirement.
You
can
see
it
on
the
site
plan.
T
T
There's
multiple
entrances
to
those
different
retail
and
restaurant
spaces
that
are
going
to
be
off
of
Roberts
Street
primary
hotel
lobby
will
be
run
off
of
the
vehicular
drop-off,
but
there
will
be
those
additional
spaces
and
then
there's
also
additional
spaces
to
from
down
below
the
building
is
about
two
stories
from
Robert
Street
and
then
because
of
that,
great
change
appears
more
like
five
stories
from
from
below
Landscaping's
requires
been
included
on
the
plans.
I
mentioned
the
open
space.
T
There
are
two
conditions
that
accompany
this
proposal,
so
this
is
that
that
rezoning
to
the
the
lodging
expansion
district
and
there's
a
number
of
design
and
operational
standards
site
standards
for
the
most
part,
all
of
those
are
able
to
be
met.
The
two
that
aren't
met
have
to
do
with
parking,
because
the
site
is
really
occupied
by
that
building.
There's
not
space
on
the
parcel
and
with
the
topo
change
to
provide
parking
on
site.
So
technically
the
the
applicant
is
not
providing
parking
on
the
proposal.
T
The
you
do
allows
for
any
project
to
propose
to
satisfy
their
required
parking
through
an
off-site
or
remote
parking
agreement,
so
that
is
in
the
you.
Do
it's
allowed
to
anyone?
Similarly,
in
the
rad
form
code,
which
I
know
is
not
yet
been
adopted,
but
that
provision
is
in
that
that
draft
document,
it's
something
that
we
see
often
when
we
have
folks
as
we
do
want
to
encourage
reuse
of
existing
buildings,
especially
historic
buildings,
is
to
retain
that
fabric.
T
So
we
know
that
there's
going
to
be
situations
where,
if
there's
not
space,
to
create
a
parking
lot.
So
there
is
this
condition
that
has
to
do
with
providing
or
meeting
the
parking
requirement
through
that
off-site
agreement
and
the
other
one
does
have
to
do
with
sidewalks.
The
lodging
expansion
district
requires
a
10-foot
sidewalk
I
mentioned
it'll,
be
ten
eight
to
ten
feet
in
front
of
the
building.
They
are
constrained
by
that
right-of-way,
and
then
you
saw
on
the
site
plan.
T
It's
not
a
part
of
the
conditional
zoning,
since
the
conditional
zoning
is
is
just
the
project
site
itself,
but
because
the
applicant
is
working
with
that
remote
parking
agreement
we
just
had
them
show
that
a
lot
of
number
of
parking
spaces
75
parking
spaces.
They
anticipate
to
provide
down
below
the
building
kind
of
along
that
pains
way,
and
then
there
will
also
be
creating
20
parking
spaces
across
Robert
Street
and
those
will
actually
be
city
public
on
street
metered
spaces
so
that
that
kind
of
so
those
are
two
two
ways
where
parking
is
being
satisfied.
T
But
it's
not
technically
on
the
site.
I
mentioned
everything
else
about
the
lodging
expansion
district
is
met,
project
has
gone
through
Design
Review,
it
was
recommended
for
approval
and
then
approved
by
the
full
Nashville
area.
River
Redevelopment
Commission
approved
with
conditions,
while
the
TRC
they
held
their
requisite
neighborhood
meeting
and
a
unanimous
recommendation
for
approval
by
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission
on
the
4th
of
October
staff
has
not
received
really
any
public
comment
about
the
project,
but.
I
T
So
staff
does
recommend
support
of
this
request.
City
adopted
plans
and
visions
for
the
area
expect
lodging
and
retail
and
restaurant
uses
right
now.
Additionally,
the
project
makes
use
of
that
existing
historic
structure,
using
the
tax
credits
to
renovate
it
that
preserves
the
fabric
and
and
so
that
architectural
character
of
the
area,
while
they're
not
providing
parking
on
site
because
of
the
inability
of
having
space
to
put
the
parking,
they
are
being
creative,
creating
those
those
city
spaces
that
will
anyone
in
the
public
to
use
and
then
utilize
in
that
railroad
right-of-way.
T
A
How
do
you?
How
does
the
city
enforce
this?
You
know
ten
years
from
now
say
there
some
argument,
not
that
anybody
in
this
city
ever
argues
over
parking.
But
you
know
what
happens
ten
years
from
now
and
whoever
the
agreement
is
for
the
remote
parking
says:
I,
don't
wanna
do
that
more
now,
I
mean
how
it's
still
part
of
the
conditional
zoning
they
that
people
still
have
an
obligation,
but
yet
now
the
building's
been
built,
and
so
what
right
well.
T
With
the
conditional
zoning
in
that,
you
would
be
approving
the
condition
that
they
would
not
provide
parking,
but
for
this,
and
and
in
other
in
other
situations-
and
that
is
a
belief-
it's
an
annual
check-in
on
the
on
the
development
or
it
either
side.
Don't
have
exactly
how
that's
monitored
with
our
development
services
department
in
front
of
me.
T
T
One
has
been
approved,
this
would
have
been
approved
with
the
condition
that
they
would
not
be
providing
parking
on
site.
We've
had
a
previous
or
other
situations
where
we
have
applicants
come
in
and
there's
not
parking
on
site,
and
they
would
have
to
get
a
variance
and
the
hardship
is
that
this
is
an
existing
site
with
this
building,
that's
been
there
since
1923
or
whatever
year,
and
that
with
the
grade
change,
there's
they're,
simply
not
the
space
to
put
the
parking.
T
So
that's
a
topographic
site
change,
challenge
that
any
applicant
with
any
use
coming
in
would
face.
We.
We
did
actually
have
an
approved
level
2
for
this
site
year,
2
years
ago,
that
was
going
to
have
to
could
not
get
a
final
approval
until
they
would
go
to
the
Board
of
Adjustment
for
parking
reduction
and.
J
J
T
This
request
is:
is
going
to
be
to
to
not
provide
their
parking
on
site.
The
staff
staff
hasn't
gotten
into
the
particulars
of
how
that
program
it
would
work.
I
know
the
applicant
has
been
in
a
long
negotiation
with
Norfolk
Southern
about
how
that
will
work,
so
they'll
probably
have
more
more
information.
What
we
would
do
would
be
a
condition
of
of
the
zoning
prior
to
receiving
a
zoning
permit
when,
with
goes
to
final
TRC,
that
we
would
want
to
have
more
detail
on
how
that
would
work.
This.
V
First,
don't
think
Jessica
and
staff
was
sort
of
started
working
on
this
project,
probably
around
July.
The
cz
process
that
you
recently
adopted
for
lodging
expansion,
sort
of
promotes
a
collaborative
effort
start
off
with
neighborhood
meetings,
work
our
way
through
the
various
design
boards.
It's
it's
sort
of
it's
great
to
be
a
part
of
that
process.
It's
always
given
cake.
We
went
through
many
interactions,
just
even
get
here
tonight.
V
As
she
mentioned,
we
went
through
River,
District
design,
review,
actual
area
river
of
Redevelopment
Commission
pnz
TRC,
and
you
know
this
is
probably
the
first
project.
I
brought
that
had
unanimous
approval
on
all
of
us,
which
I
thought
was
a
lot,
but
we
get
to
bring
a
lot
of
projects
to
this
point.
So
I
think
Jessica
did
a
pretty
good
job
of
explaining
site
our
conditions,
let's
sort
of
jump
into
parking
that
that
is
a
question
we
wrestle
with
early
on,
because
we're
making
a
large
investment
in
a
piece
of
property
that
needs
parking
spaces.
V
V
Maybe,
yes,
you
know
I
think
long
term
I'll
try
to
speak
for
the
owner,
we'll
probably
look
to
secure
that
and
purchase
that
right
away
right
now
we
are
paying
a
lease
for
it,
so
we
plan
to
further
that
dialogue
with
them
of
can
we
purchase
it
because
that's
been
done
with
Robert
everything
wherever
it
takes
time,
we
also
own
the
property
across
the
street
from
us.
It's
not
part
of
this
application,
but
there
is
property
across
the
street.
V
Could
we
build
a
some
sort
of
parking
structure
if
that
parking,
I
ever
got
took
away
potentially,
so
we
and
then
we
have
other
options
potentially
on
the
site
that
we'd
rather
not
build
a
separate
structure
when
we're
pursuing
tax
credits
for
for
a
historic
structure.
But
if
parking
duck
took
away,
we
have
other
options
and
then
we
always
have
options
of
talking
to
our
neighbors
and
security.
You
know
similar
offsite
parking
arrangements,
but
we'll
have
a
useful
to
make
sure
our
our
occupants
have
parking
to
sort
of
serve
the
purpose.
V
So
it's
in
our
best
interests
to
always
make
sure
we
have
parking.
What
as
Jessica
mentioned,
we
we
had
this
previously
approved
for
more
of
a
retail
use
in
retail.
I
actually
requires
a
little
more
parking,
so
a
hotel
use
lodging
use
usually
is
a
little
less
parking
requirements.
I
think
it's
one
for
bed
we're
meeting
more
than
the
minimum
currently
with
the
current
design,
but
I
want
to
introduce
je
Laval
with
white
partners.
He's
the
developer,
so
I
want
to
let
him
to
present
a
few
things
and
then
we're
both
here.
P
Thank
You
mayor
and
council,
je
Lavelle
white
point
partners
out
of
Charlotte.
We
get
excited
about
projects
like
the
side,
specialize
in
historic,
rehabs
and
working
on
handful
right
now,
mostly
in
the
Charlotte
area,
but
we
found
this
one
gosh
about
a
year
ago
and
been
working
on
it
for
quite
a
while.
It's
it's
a
it's,
a
great
building,
great
bones:
I
love
the
character,
that's
what
we
want
to
preserve
and
so
what
we
we
try
and
do
with
these.
P
With
these
old
buildings
I'm,
you
can't
make
them
like
they
did
and
you
can't
recreate
it.
So
it's
really
meat
we've
been
able
to
partner
with
a
really
cool,
boutique
hotel
group.
That's
out
of
the
Northeast
I
can't
share.
Who
it
is.
You
I
think
everybody
would
be
excited,
but
why
we
like
them
is
because
they
go
into
buildings
like
this
and
they
ingratiate
themselves
within
the
community
and
they
bring
out
the
full
color
and
character
of
what
this
building
was.
They're
they're
doing
a
hotel
right
now
from
the
Northeast.
P
That's
they
can't
be
here,
but
they're,
renovating
and
opening
an
old
department
store
and
it's
a
sub
50
unit
deal
50
hotel
room
deal
and
they're
gonna
have
about
50
restaurants,
50-seat
restaurant
there
too,
so
we're
excited
I
mean
this
is
something
where
we
want
to
keep
everything
local
as
local
as
possible.
We
want
to
keep
the
the
character
and
the
fabric
of
the
River
Arts
District.
P
Q
B
P
P
P
J
P
It's
essentially
in
perpetuity
now
there
is
a
there's,
a
termination
right
that
the
railroad
has
as
with
all
these
leases,
but
it's
it
mirrors
the
one.
That's
that's
down
the
way.
Let
us
know
Jesse
said
with
with
where
the
wedge
is
right
in
front
of
that.
So
if
it
gets
taken
away,
there's
a
good
reason
and
we're
all
in
trouble-
probably
it's
probably
the
best
you
can.
J
Second,
question
has
to
do
with
with
the
renovation
and
and
and
I
think
it's
great
I
mean
we.
We
love
it
when
people
come
in
and
reuse
old
buildings
instead
of
tearing
them
down.
So
that's
fantastic.
Can
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
the
the
energy
and
water
efficiency
measures
that
you
might
be
implementing
as
part
of
that
renovation?
You,
if
you
were
here
earlier
you've,
heard
an
extensive
discussion
about
energy,
so
you
know
that
it's
important
in
this
can
so
I
don't
know
if
you
can
talk
about
that
at
all.
P
Yeah
I
would
say
it's
a
little
bit
above
my
pay
grade
with
the
MEP
we're
talking
about
efficiency,
but
I
know
that
we
I
mean
we
want
to
do
as
much
as
we
can
and
we're.
Gonna
have
to
have
a
thick
of
R
if
I
eat
higher
R
value,
because
we
want
to
expose
to
keep
the
exposed.
Brick
there's
just
so
much
that
we
can
do
we're
a
little
bit
limited
with
Chappell
and
what
historical
Wow,
but
we
definitely
want
to
be
as
conservation
minded
as
possible.
J
P
I
In
the
question,
okay,
we're
gonna
open
the
public
hearing
at
this
time.
I
want
to
open
the
public
hearing.
If
there's
anyone
here
wishing
to
speak
on
this,
please
raise
your
hand
and
so
in
the
corner,
so
make
sure
to
state
your
name
and
the
lectern
will
indicate
your
time.
You
have
three
minutes,
and
while
it's
green,
you're,
good
orange
means
almost
over
and
red
means,
stop.
W
Hello,
my
name
is
Anna
Toth,
Thank,
You,
mayor
and
council
members
for
hearing
my
concerns.
I
am
an
artist
and
a
business
owner
in
the
arts.
District
I'm
very
familiar
with
the
space
and
I
am
also
familiar
that
there
is
ample
space
on
at
least
one
side
to
include
an
additional
parking
structure.
I
am
concerned
about
the
inevitability
of
development
in
the
river
arts
district,
while
I
know
that
change
is
inevitable.
W
U
Good
evening
Council,
my
name
is
patty
Tourneau
I
am
sort
of
neighborhood
wise
known
as
one
of
the
cofounders
of
the
River
Arts
District
at
uncurbed
studios
since
1989,
and
have
been
an
artist
in
this
town.
Since
1984
I
will
say
that
there
we
had
a
discussion
at
irad,
the
meeting,
which
is
the
River
Arts
District
Business
Association
two
months
ago,
around
this
project
and
pretty
much
around
the
entire
table.
The
nods
were
yes
and
thank
you.
I
really
feel
like.
There
are
challenges
to
the
river
arts
district
in
not
making
lodging
available
there.
U
It's
debatable
so
I
think
that
it
is
really
important
for
Asheville's
long-term
health
that
we
have
some
alternatives
to
downtown
in
terms
of
different
experiences
that
you
are
able
to
get
when
you
come
to
Asheville,
be
able
to
come
to
the
River,
Arts
District
and
break
your
car
and
stay
there
for
the
time
that
you
are
in
town
seemed
like
a
pie
in
the
sky.
You
know
when
I
got
here.
U
Nobody
would
want
to
see
in
the
burns
district
back
then,
but
now
it
is
actually
possible
and
with
the
rats,
no
graduate
improvements
that
we
will
see
in
the
next
three
years.
I
think
you
are
talking
about
a
world-class
amenity
and
it
would
really
be
a
shame
if
there
if
people
could
not
come
and
experience
that
on
a
24-hour
basis.
U
Just
another
pieces.
You
know
my
business
is
about
80%
of
the
like
about
80%
of
my
business
comes
from
people
from
away,
and
so,
if
we
are
allowed
to
have
lodging
in
the
river
arts
district
that
loop
around
the
table
at
rabba
was
that
would
bring
us
a
constant
flow
of
new
customers
and
that
that
actually
should
have
helped
raise
that
76
million
to
a
much
higher
to
a
much
higher
rate.
So
for
lots
of
reasons,
thank
you
and
we
I
I
would
love
to
see
this
project
out.
Thank
you
is.
X
Hello,
my
name
is
rusty.
Bryant.
Thank
you.
For
the
moment,
my
son
owns
one
Robert
Street,
where
the
hatchery
studios
are,
and
we've
been
here
about
six
years,
I've
been
in
this
building.
It's
quite
amazing.
It
reminds
me
of
the
torpedo
factory
in
Alexandria
Virginia,
and
it
goes
back
aways.
So
have
someone
come
in
and
invest
in
renovating
and
I
think
this
would
be
a
boon
for
the
rad
that
I
will
sort
of
second
Patty's
comments
that
having
walked
up
and
down
Roberts
Street
a
lot
this.
I
Y
Thanks
for
giving
me
a
second,
like
many
people
here,
I
think
that
developing
the
river
arts
district
is
a
great
idea.
I
lived
here
for
13
years
on
off,
but
I
do
think
we
want
to
make
sure
to
mr.
hands
this
point
that
if
we
do
develop
this
area
that
we
develop
in
a
way
that
makes
the
river
art
sistering
special
for
me,
Deborah.
Our
sister
is
special
because
it
doesn't
have
stories
like
Banana
Republic,
or
they
called
what
else
we
have
the
gap.
Yeah.
Q
Y
They
would
do
their
best
to
ensure
that
the
hotel
I
can
provide
a
living
wage
for
people
I
think,
especially
in
a
time
an
actual
women.
Many
younger
people
who
work
in
the
service
industry
and
in
retail
and
hospitality
are
struggling
to
find
housing
for
themselves
because
their
eyes
are
cost
of
housing.
It's
very
importantly,
to
be
paying
well,
and
it's
also
very
important
to
all
of
us
that
we
have
the
kind
of
development
that
we
want.
Y
So
I
think
the
developers
could
make
more
assurances
real
assurances
to
us
that
these
will
be
local
businesses
and
they
won't
be
whatever
the
market
wants,
because
I
think
the
market
would
love
to
put
those
stores,
and
there
are
sisters
right
now
and
I'm,
not
sure
if
we
just
want
to
let
the
market
decide
what
that
place
becomes
for
us,
because
I
think
we
know
what
we
want
it
to
hit.
Thank
you.
N
In
regards
to
our
other
artists,
who
make
money
off
of
the
tourists,
I
agree,
it's
a
it's
a
great
thing
to
get
tourists
and
River
Arts
District,
there's
other
ways
to
do
it.
What
public
transportation
trolleys
we
don't
need
to
bring
another
Kozel
into
what
happens
when
you
bring
those
hotels
hand,
it
is
you
look
at
Jenna
fication
in
any
city,
and
artists
are
left
without
their
studios
because
those
surrounding
properties
gain
so
much
value
and
they're
sold
and
artists
can
no
longer
afford
work.
There
I'm
just
going
to
throw
that
out.
There.
B
Z
Hey
man,
Lee
Nelson,
mayor
and
city
council,
thank
you
for
service
I.
Think
anytime,
you
get
a
chance
to
I
guess
to
put
this
in
a
little
bit
more
context.
I
know
the
city
commissioned
a
consultant
to
find
out
where
we
should
do
development
in
a
city
and-
and
we
found
out-
oh
it's
on
the
river
or
everything's
on
developed,
so
the
developments
gonna
come
and
I
guess
talking
about
this
SDR
stuff
for
years
and
realizing
we
didn't
get
ahead
of
that.
Z
We're
not
gonna
change
the
markets,
we're
not
gonna,
you
know,
be
able
to
we're
gonna
come
here
and
we
have
to
provide
what
they
need
the
best
way
we
can,
as
you
all
know,
struggle
with
all
the
time.
So,
although
the
sentiment
is
anti
Odell
in
general,
I
think
when
you
get
an
opportunity
to
do
something
that
can
be
beautiful
and
historic,
with
companies
that
are
known
to
do
great
jobs
of
doing
that,
I
think
you
have
to.
Z
You
know
really
consider
that
as
an
opportunity
to
make
the
they
are
unique
and
pretty,
and
not
just
some
high-rise,
glass
and
steel
hotel.
So,
just
for
me,
just
speaking
for
me,
I
think
it's
a
great
opportunity
to
do.
A
small
issue
show
tell
and
a
nice
setting
that
reinforces
the
industrial
nature
of
the
area
and
historic
nature,
so,
although
hotels
might
be
negative
to
most
people
in
Asheville
right
now,
I
think
most
people
would
support
an
historic
renovations
and
boutiques.
So
that's
just
my
opinion.
Thanks.
G
But
how
will
you
also
be
able
to
keep
this
area
true
to
form
to
what
it
what
it
was
intended
to
be,
as
well
as
the
individuals
of
the
surrounding
neighborhoods
that
are
there
so
moving
forward?
This
is
this
may
be
a
cautionary
tale,
I
hope
not
I
hope.
It
will
prove
me
right
on
my
vote
tonight
and
that
we
will.
G
We
will
walk
this
this
tightrope,
that
sophisticated
balancing
act
of
how
do
we
put
some
sort
of
economic
development
into
the
rivers
district.
Along
with
supporting
these
these
artists
down
there,
so
I'm
gonna
support
it.
I
hope
it
doesn't
turn
into
a
cautionary
tale
and
I
hope
that
we
can
I'm
pretty
sure
that
it's
probably
won't
be
the
last
lodging
facility
that
we
see
there,
but
what's
hope
it
proves
well
for
the
future
not
going
to
support
it
tonight.
I'd.
C
Comment
that
the
I
serve
on
the
Asheville
area,
Riverfront
Redevelopment
Commission,
and
we
got
a
lot
longer
introduction
to
this
project
at
the
last
at
that
Commission
meeting
and
I
was
really
impressed
with
the
kind
of
restoration
work
these
people
have
done
in
the
past
and
what
they
intend
to
do
with
this
building.
I
think
it's
our
excellent
reuse
and
in
the
same
way
I.
You
know,
I
I,
understand
the
discomfort.
C
The
proposal
supports
the
strategies
found
in
the
city's
comprehensive
plan
on
adaptive,
reuse,
multimodal
transportation
elements
and
tourism
to
the
historic
building
will
be
preserved
and
reused,
maintaining
the
character
and
architectural
fabric
of
the
district
and
three
the
design
activates
the
streetscape
and
creates
new
public
on
street
parking
spaces.
A
second
time
all.
S
M
P
J
O
Conditional
zoning
is
has
to
have
a
condition
that
is
agreed
upon
by
both
the
district
council
and
the
applicant
under
the
general
statutes.
Those
conditions
should
have
to
do
with
zoning
compliance,
land
use
regulations
and
compliance
with
the
Comprehensive
Plan.
So,
like
I,
think
about
that
broadly,
it's
it's
not
a
common
thing
to
do,
and
it's
probably
subject
to
some
sort
of
a
challenge.
But
you
know
that's
up
to
you
and
the
applicant
as
to
what
you
didn't.
M
Renew
those
those
were
simply
questions
to
clarify
councilman
Hanes
concerns
about
the
project
about
what
happens
if
this
turns
into
another
minimum-wage,
anthropology
Laden
stain
yeah,
and
we
don't
have
any
guarantee
against
that,
and
so
that's
troubling
I'm,
also
curious
as
to
the
parking
situation.
I
understand
that
you've
secured
the
leash
from
the
railway
kudos.
That's
not
easy,
but
am
I
correct
in
thinking
that
all
these
folks
are
to
be
cutting
through
the
parking
lot.
That
now
serves
the
wedge-like
kind
of
right
through
the
bar
area.
There
now.
M
That
what
could
possibly
go
wrong-
that's
troubling
for
me
that
the
parking
situation
is
is
troubling
and
I
and
I
appreciate
you
coming
back
up.
I'm
just
gonna
make
some
general
comments
now,
after
so
I
appreciate
what
other
council
members
have
appreciated
about
this
project
around
the
historic,
the
reuse
of
the
building.
I
think
that's
great
I
know.
I
was
heartened
three
years
ago
when
I
heard
that
a
group
was
going
to
come
in
and
create
housing
in
that
building.
M
They
then
decided
not
to
I
think
there
might
be
more
money
and
tourists
than
there
are
locals,
and
this
is
my
concern
that
we
have
record
numbers
of
tourists.
In
this
town
we
had
almost
11
million
people
visit
a
town
of
90,000.
Last
year,
11
million
people
visiting
a
town
of
90,000
it's
hard
to
wrap
your
head
around.
M
We
also
currently
do
not
have
a
cooperative
effort
with
the
Tourism
Development
Authority
to
do
a
sustainable
tourism
study
to
determine
what
is
our
carrying
capacity
and
how
are
we
going
to
grow
responsibly
in
regard
to
our
tourism
industry?
We
don't
have
a
strategy,
it's
all
case-by-case
it's
all
piece
by
piece.
That's
troubling
for
me,
and
so
it's
a
question
of
who
are
we
going
to
be
as
a
city
people
like
coming
here,
because
we
made
a
city
that
we
like
we
like
it
here.
We
like
living
here
turns
out
other
people
like
it
too.
M
S
G
I
B
B
I
And
those
opposed
raise
your
hand:
okay,
okay,
we
have
one
more.
Thank
you.
We
have
one
more
item
on
the
public
hearings
agenda
tonight,
that
is
a
public
hearing
to
amend
article
8
of
chapter
7
of
the
Code
of
Ordinances
to
amend
lot
size
and
density
standards
for
residential
zoning
districts,
city
wide,
vanilla,
good.
AA
Evening,
mayor
members
of
council
city
leaders,
members
of
the
public,
my
name
is
Videla-
saw
Becca
with
the
Department
of
Planning
and
urban
design
I'm
here
to
follow
up
on
wording,
amendments
that
we
brought
to
you
two
months
ago
for
small-scale
residential
infill.
As
you
know,
we
went
through
about
a
year
and
a
half
public
process.
AA
I'll
just
show
you
the
timeline
here
that
we
work
through
that
brought
us
ultimately
to
you
two
months
ago
and
you
adopted
unanimously
these
recommendations
to
support
more
efficient
land
use,
more
varied
housing
types
that
we
hope
to
see
develop
soon,
and
one
thing
that
was
not
a
part
of
this
proposal
that
you
requested
that
we
bring
back
to
you
was
a
reduction
to
the
minimum
lot
area
standards
to
make
them
in
line
with
the
reductions
to
law
with.
So
this
is
a
chart
showing
the
lot
wit
standards
on
the
top.
AA
The
top
row
was
the
previous
dimensional
standard
for
the
particulars
owning
districts,
and
then
they
could
the
current
standard
that
you
adopted
in
August's.
What
we
are
proposing
now
is
to
reduce
the
law
area
standards
by
the
same
twenty
percent.
So
you
can
see
what
the
highlighted
yellow
line
would
show
you
the
minimum
lot
area
for
those
districts.
AA
We
went
back
to
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission
on
October
4th
and
they
unanimously
recommended
this.
These
wording
amendments,
and
so
so
here
we
are.
The
wording.
Amendments
are
consistent
with
the
city's
2025
comprehensive
plan,
in
that
they
provide
compatible
redevelopment
and
infill
development.
They
support
walkable
neighborhoods
by
incentivizing
location,
efficient
housing
and
they
contribute
to
the
development
of
transit,
supportive
densities
via
more
efficient
land-use.
That
concludes
my
report.
Thank
you.
I
S
I
R
Stevenage
live,
live
in
East,
West
Asheville,
thanks
for
the
opportunity
to
come
here
and
comment,
so
I
live
in
a
neighborhood
that
seems
to
support
this
overall
from
a
density
standpoint.
It
is
part
of
our
vision
overall
I
think
from
an
overall
city
standpoint.
It's
it's!
It's
kind
of
like
short-term
rentals,
it's
hard
to
say
one
size
fits
all
for
everywhere.
That's
something
council
took
away
from
from
last
meeting.
There
are
certain
neighborhoods
in
this
in
Asheville,
where
this
probably
doesn't
fit.
It
doesn't
have
the
walkability
doesn't
have
in
West.
R
You
know
X
number
of
years
ago
that
just
had
on
the
street
parking,
so
I
think
there
are
some
concerns
that
need
to
be
looked
at
here
from
a
overall
city
point
of
view
and
some
of
the
neighborhood's
whose
character
is
not
really
built
around
density
there
and
and
the
fact
that
people
move
to
those
neighborhoods
such
as
East
Asheville.
You
know
to
get
away
from
some
of
the
density.
They
want
to
live
a
place
where
they've
got
a
yard
and
that
they're
not
gonna,
be
squeezed
in
on
both
sides.
R
R
C
I
I
C
C
Twenty-Five
dollars
for
each
additional
hour
and
I,
don't
see
that
the
food
trucks
make
that
much
money,
our
food
carts,
we
charge
something
like
150
175
permit
per
year.
So
I
wondered
if,
if
the
council
would
either
waive
the
fees
in
this
initial
period,
like
we
did
for
the
other
events
or
some
sort
of
reduction
in
a
fee,
I
mean
they
are
using
electricity,
but
I
mean
because
the
future
I
figured
it
out.
C
C
E
E
C
M
Thank
you
just
one
more
note.
Early
voting
is
open.
You
can
vote
for
any
number
of
things
on
this
ballot.
You
can
vote
for
a
mayor,
you
can
vote
for
councilmembers
and
you
can
vote
in
the
referendum
on
whether
you
would
like
to
see
Asheville
Asheville
elections
move
to
a
district
system.
So
it's
a
big
important
thing
and
I
hope
that
everyone
will
turn
out
to
vote.
Oh.
C
And
one
other
announcement
river
link
is
having
an
annual
fundraiser
at
Zealandia,
which
is
an
amazing
amazing
building
up
on
beau
cancer
Mountain
it's
on
Friday
night
and
Saturday.
It's
an
art
show
and
you
can
buy
art
or
not
be
come,
see
the
art,
and
you
can
see
this
really
really
cool
building.
It
was
built
as
a
mansion
for
some
big
bucks
person.
B
C
I
G
That
the
Asheville
City
Council
go
in
a
closed
session
for
the
following
reasons
to
prevent
disclosure
of
information
that
is
privileged
and
confidential.
Pursuant
to
the
laws
of
North
Carolina
were
not
considered
a
public
record
within
the
meaning
of
chapter
132
of
the
general
statutes.
The
law
that
makes
the
information
privileged
and
confidential
is
north
carolina
general
statute.
143,
that's
318
point
one:
zero!
G
A
three
statutory
authorization
is
contained
in
north
carolina
general
statute,
143
318
111,
a
one
second
to
consult
with
an
attorney
employed
by
the
city
about
matters
with
respect
to
which
the
attorney-client
privilege
between
the
city
and
its
attorney
must
be
preserved,
including,
but
not
limited
to
a
lawsuit
involving
the
following
parties.
Phg
Asheville
LLC
versus
the
city
of
Asheville
statutory
authorization
is
contained
in
north
carolina
general
statute,
143
318
point
11
a
three-second
right.