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From YouTube: City Council Work Session – February 25, 2020
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February 25, 2020
Asheville City Council Work Session
Update on Hotel Development Standards
A
B
Welcome
to
the
Asheville
City
Council
work
session,
just
quick
housekeeping
I'm
gonna
before
I
turn
it
over
to
the
city
manager
to
begin
this
work
session.
This
is
a
work
session
and
so
during
work
sessions.
We
do
not
take
public
comment,
but
we
will
hear
presentations,
maybe
have
some
discussion
and,
and
then
you'll
there'll
be
some
information
about
what
follow
up
will
be
so
with
that
I
mean.
Oh
also.
Please
note
that
Vijay
Kapoor
could
not
be
here
because
he
is
over
at
AV
Tech
helping
select
a
new,
a
BTech
president.
D
D
The
director
of
the
planning
department
come
up
just
shortly
to
talk
about
the
process,
but
essentially
we
had
the
assistance
of
the
Urban
Land,
Institute
and
I
just
really
want
to
acknowledge
Teresa
Solomon
who's,
the
executive
director
of
the
Charlotte
district
office,
as
well
as
Keith
mcvane,
who
was
the
chair
of
the
committee
of
the
group
that
came
to
Charlotte
I'm.
Sorry,
too
they're
from
Charlotte.
D
They
came
to
Asheville
to
look
at
our
current
standards
to
meet
with
people,
to
discuss
some
of
their
issues
and
concerns,
and
and
actually
to
just
respond
to
concerns
and
issues
that
have
been
raised,
both
by
actually
developers,
hotel
yards,
nonprofit
groups,
community
organizations,
elected
officials
and
and
even
staff.
So
what
we
again
hope
to
accomplish
today
is
that
we
will
provide
you
with
some
of
the
recommendations
from
the
uli
group.
E
As
you
we've
already
noted,
the
study
for
hotel
development
began
in
fall
of
2019.
The
purpose
of
the
study
is
to
look
at
hotel
development
impacts
and
to
develop
recommendations
when
the
study
first
initiated
we
did
so
by
entering
into
a
contract
with
the
Urban
Land
Institute
uli
is
a
net
educational
and
research
nonprofit
organization
that
has
expertise
and
members
that
have
expertise
in
real
estate,
development
and
land
development
issues.
E
Uoy
uses
a
planning
process
called
the
technical
assistance
panel
or
tap
that
they
use
for
this
process,
where
they
invite
volunteers
from
the
Southeast
region
who
have
expertise
in
this
particular
issue
and
Miss
Campbell
mentioned,
who
some
of
those
volunteers
were
the
chair
of
that
tap
panel
ul
I
came
to
city
of
Asheville
two
times.
The
first
meeting
was
in
January
On
January
9th
of
this
year,
where
they
held
a
public
workshop
to
solicit
comments
and
input
from
the
community
on
any
concerns
that
they
had
to
hotel
development.
E
At
the
conclusion
of
today's
work
session,
we
hope
to
have
the
Uli
final
report
in
their
recommendations
sometime
in
March
and
then
throughout
the
spring.
We
would
conduct
additional
community
engagement
and
any
additional
research
as
necessary
on
those
prioritized
recommendations
that
we'll
cover
at
the
end
of
the
work
session.
Today,
the
intent
is
to
come
back
to
City
Council
in
late
summer
of
this
year
to
have
you
review
any
regulatory
changes
that
might
be
considered.
E
E
The
the
briefing
book
that
I
mentioned
include
the
data
lots
of
data,
it's
about
50,
page
55,
page
document
and
I'll.
Try
and
do
my
best
to
summarize
that
document
as
part
of
this
presentation
and
it
included
a
lot
of
data
and
information
on
hotel
trends
in
the
community,
as
I
mentioned,
the
regulatory
framework
for
tourism
regulations
both
locally
and
at
the
state
level,
and
then
finally,
hotel
impacts
the
types
of
impacts
that
we
looked
at
included,
impacts
on
transportation
and
parking
impacts
on
infrastructure
such
as
city,
sewer
and
water.
E
E
The
next
few
slides
I
will
cover
some
of
the
highlights
and
salient
points
from
the
briefing
book.
As
many
of
you
know,
Asheville
has
sort
of
been
a
a
tourism
community
for
a
long
time
and
dating
back
to
the
early
1900's.
We
had
about
15
hotels
at
the
time
a
hundred
years
ago,
we're
now
up
to
about
85
hotels
and
over
8,300
hotel
rooms
in
Asheville
as
a
city
as
a
whole.
In
particular,
though,
in
the
last
10
years,
we've
experienced
an
uptick
an
increased
rate
of
hotel
development
in
the
city.
E
We've
had
about
a
25%
growth
rate
for
hotel
development
in
the
last
10
years,
compared
to
about
an
11%
rate
for
population
growth
in
the
city.
We
also
continue
to
maintain
high
occupancy
rates
for
hotels
throughout
the
year.
We
reach
about
an
85
percent
peak
for
hotel
occupancy
rates,
particularly
during
the
summer
and
fall
months
throughout
the
rest
of
the
year,
that
that
hotel
occupancy
rate
might
reach
about
75
percent
and
it
dips,
though,
during
the
winter
months,
especially
during
December,
January
and
February.
E
All
these
rates,
except
for
the
winter
months,
are
all
exceed
typical
occupancy
rates
that
you
might
find
on
the
state
average
or
on
the
national
average.
We
also
looked
at
growth
in
the
short
term,
vacation
rental
industry
and
we've
noted
that
it's
kind
of
difficult
to
identify
the
exact
number
of
short-term
vacation
rentals
we
have
in
the
community,
but
based
on
data
that
we
have.
We
believe
that
there's
about
one
short-term
vacation
rental
unit
for
every
four
hotel
rooms
to
give
you
a
sense
of
the
ratio
of
STV
ours
to
hotels.
E
We
also
know
that
the
rate
of
growth
for
short-term
vacation
rentals
has
increased
quite
a
bit
over
the
last
couple
of
years.
The
hotel
briefing
book
didn't
just
look
at
hotels.
We
were
also
interested
in
looking
at
housing
impacts
in
the
community
and
wages
and
looking
at
economic
impacts
of
hotels,
and
we
wanted
to
see
how
all
these
things
were
interrelated
to
each
other.
E
And
what
we've
noted
in
length
in
the
briefing
book
are
things
we
already
know,
especially
from
our
Bowen
report
on
housing,
affordability
and
supply,
and
demand
in
the
city
is
that
housing
affordability
continues
to
be
a
major
issue
and
a
top
priority
in
the
community.
We
also
want
to
get
a
better
understanding
in
the
briefing
report
about
visitation.
E
What
we
kind
of
show
here
is
that
overnight,
trips
represent
about
35%
of
those
visitations,
so
majority
of
the
the
trips
that
we
see
for
visitors
are
not
the
typical
type
of
tourists
that
you
would
think
of
that
stay
overnight,
because
about
65
percent
of
visitors
that
come
here
throughout
the
year
are
represent
those
day.
Trips
for
people
that
are
coming
here.
For
these
different
reasons,
I
think
that's
important.
E
F
E
B
F
F
C
E
That
compare
me
to
look
at
some
peer
cities
like
Charleston
and
Wilmington.
We
looked
at
Greenville,
South,
Carolina
I,
believe
we
look
maybe
at
Nashville
for
some
data
points
also,
and
we
I'm
not
sure
if
we
came
up
with
the
exact
visitation
numbers
for
all
those
cities,
because
they
might
define
visitors
differently
than
how
we
define
visitors.
But
we
did
compare
Asheville
compared
to
those
cities
for
some
other
data
points.
E
C
And
you
could
theoretically
compare
that
to
their
total
visitation
and
get
the
same.
I
don't
know
it's
just
you
know.
This
is
interesting
because
it's
basically
saying
that
the
impact
is
not
it's
only
thirty
five
percent
for
people
standing
in
the
hotel
and
65
percent
for
people
who
are
just
in
and
out
so.
E
Certainly
we
we
know
Asheville's
is
a
big
tourist
City,
like
some
the
other
cities
that
we
looked
at
I'm,
not
again,
I'm,
not
sure
with
the
overall
visitation
numbers
are
for
those
cities,
but
we
were
up
there
for
four
tours
and
compared
to
like
Savannah
and
Charleston.
We
were
up
there
a
number
of
maybe
not
a
much
for
about
overall
visitation,
but
in
terms
of
these
other
data
points
like
the
number
of
restaurants.
E
We
have
per
capita
and
some
other
things
that
we
looked
at
occupancy
rates
were
also
you
know,
quite
quite
high
for
Asheville
I'm,
not
sure
what
those
are
like,
though,
in
some
of
those
other
cities
and
I.
Think
kind
of
the
overall
point
here,
though,
is
that
and
the
next
couple
slides
might
cover
this-
is
that
we
looked
at
hotel
development
as
a
specific
land
use
compared
to
other
land
uses
in
the
city
to
analyze
impacts.
E
But
we
want
to
acknowledge
is
that
a
lot
of
the
infrastructure
impacts
that
we
see
are
not
just
from
the
number
of
visitors,
but
when
we
spoke
with
folks
like
in
our
Police
Department
and
Fire
Department,
the
number
of
calls
that
they
receive
a
lot
of
that
was
attributed
to
our
population
growth
as
well
and
other
land
uses,
and
not
just
in
particularly
hotel
development
and
I.
Think
so.
E
These
next
few
slides
then
cover
kind
of
the
impacts
of
hotel
as
a
hotel
as
a
use
compared
to
other
land
uses,
and
one
of
the
things
we
found
is
that
hotels
as
a
use
doesn't
necessarily
generate
the
same
amount
of
impact
or
have
the
same
impact
as
some
other
land
uses,
or
it
might
have
a
similar
impact.
So,
to
give
you
an
example
for
water
and
sewer
impacts,
hotels
use
approximately
2,700
gallons
per
room
per
month
when
you
compare
that
to
residential
uses
residential
uses
generate
about
4,500
gallons
per
unit
per
month.
E
So
we
could
try
to
match
in
a
line
where
a
growth
is
happening
with
infrastructure
upgrades
that
we
need
in
the
briefing
report.
We
also
looked
at
impacts
on
Community
Safety.
In
particular,
we
had
conversations
with
the
Asheville
Fire,
Department
and
Asheville
Police
Department,
and
trying
to
understand
the
number
of
phone
calls
that
they
receive,
as
it
relates
to
just
hotels.
To
give
you
an
example,
Asheville
Fire
Department
received
about
900
calls
related
to
hotels
or
less
than
one
call
per
month
per
Hotel
back
in
2018.
H
Speaking
excuse
me:
Todd
could
I
before.
Yes,
you
move
further
when
it
says
that
hotels
generally
do
not
place
a
greater
burden
on
public
safety.
Firing
police,
but
this
is
these-
are
calls
directly
to
a
hotel
that
that
doesn't
mean
that
the
tourists
in
the
street
that
got
mugged-
that's
not
part
of
this
equation.
So
it's
is
that
addressed
here
at
OU
and
how
often
a
tourist
is
involved
in
a
crime
you're.
A
E
B
E
Again,
I
think
you
know
one
of
our
challenges
with
preparing
the
briefing
record
as
much
as
we
could.
We
try
to
look
at
the
impact
of
hotel
development
as
a
land-use,
and
not
necessarily
tourism,
which
is
it's
kind
of
it
could
be
hard
to
separate
those
two
sometimes
I.
Think
in
particular,
as
we
look
at
environmental
impacts,
we
really
had
to
look
more
at
impacts
of
tourism
in
general
versus
just
hotel
development
as
of
land
use
for
economic
impacts.
E
Visitor
spending
generally
has
positive
impacts
on
local
businesses
and
about
half
a
visitor
spending
is
on
food
and
beverage
and
retail
combined.
We
also
we
have
a
lot
of
information
on
economic
impacts.
A
lot
of
this
information
comes
from
the
TDA,
so
we
we
have
information
in
the
report.
I
won't
go
over
all
those
numbers
necessarily
as
part
of
this
presentation,
but
I
did
want
to
highlight
a
couple
of
things
that
we
thought
were
interesting
from
the
briefing
report.
E
E
$4
$8
as
a
gross
and
the
gross
number
dollar
for
dollars,
we
do
look
at
per
capita.
Also
Asheville
on
a
per
capita
basis
is
generally
higher
than
those
other
bigger
jurisdictions
like
Mecklenburg
Wake
County.
When
we
get
to
the
beach
counties
like
Dare
County,
some
of
those
beach
communities
have
a
higher
per
capita
of
tourism
dollars
spent
per
capita.
We
believe
mainly
because
those
beach
communities
have
a
smaller
population,
so
that
number
goes
up
quite
a
bit,
but.
E
Correct
another
important
data
point
that
we
looked
at
overall
were
wages
in
the
tourism
industry.
So
we
looked
at
accommodations
and
food
service
wages
and
we
noted
that,
combined
that
those
wages
are
the
lowest
paying
job
sector
in
the
region,
but
that
they're
higher
than
the
state
average
by
16
percent.
We
also
looked
at
wages
overall
for
a
variety
of
different
job
sectors
throughout
the
community
and
overall
in
Ashville,
our
wages
are
lower
than
in
many
areas
in
the
state
average
or
national
average.
E
But
in
particular
we
want
to
focus
again
on
accommodations
and
foodservice
industry
wages
when
we
separate
food
service
industry,
wages
from
accommodations
the
that
those
wages
go
up
by
about
30%,
to
give
you
an
idea,
also
but
they're
still
again
low
compared
to
other
job
sectors
within
the
region.
But
we
do
pay.
When
we
say
we,
the
accommodations
industry
does
pay
higher
wages
on
average
compared
to
the
state.
B
C
C
C
C
B
It
says
is
that
Asheville's
average
restaurant
pay
is
in
line
with
the
United
States,
almost
identically
average,
an
average
with
a
bunch
of
other
comparison
cities,
but
for
some
reason
the
North
Carolina
average
is
reported
here
for
restaurant
pay
is
almost
fifty
thousand
dollars
annually.
Its
air
is
nodding,
their
head.
A
E
B
B
B
C
A
E
So
we
delve
a
little
bit
deeper
in
the
briefing
report
to
take
a
look
at
again
how
visitors
are
coming
here
to
visit
Nashville
and
in
the
region,
and
82%
of
visitors
are
traveling
by
car,
particularly
from
the
southeast,
so
I
think
that's
an
area
that
we
could
focus
on
in
the
communities,
the
percentage
of
visitors
that
are
driving
here.
At
the
same
time,
we
also
looked
at
growth
numbers
at
the
airport
and
from
May
of
2018
to
May
20
19,
the
passenger
accounts
of
the
airport
raised
or
increased
rather
by
about
45
percent.
E
The
last
types
of
groups
of
impacts
that
we
looked
at
included
traffic
and
parking
and
social
impacts
again
when
it
as
it
relates
to
traffic
and
parking
hotels,
typically
generate
less
vehicle
trips
than
other
uses.
To
give
you
an
example,
a
100-room
hotel
could
generate
approximately
835
trips
per
weekday
compared
to
100
single
family
home
development,
which
would
generate
940
trips.
A
small
6,000
square-foot
restaurant
will
generate
roughly
the
same
amount
of
traffic
as
a
40,000
square-foot
hotel.
E
Just
give
you
some
comparisons,
so
particularly
restaurant
uses,
medical
offices
and
shopping
centers
generate
a
lot
more
traffic
than
a
hotel
use
residential
uses
might
depend
upon
the
size
of
that
of
that
residential
development
to
understand
the
impacts
of
a
hotel
development
versus
a
residential
development.
Parking
requirements
for
hotels
are
also
typically
less
than
other
uses.
Our
video
also
requires
right
now
about
one
parking
space
for
every
two
hotel
rooms
as
compared
to
roughly
speaking,
one
parking
space
for
every
dwelling
unit
for
a
housing
development.
Nonetheless,
parking
is
still
a
top
concern.
E
That's
been
identified
annually
by
the
Asheville
downtown
Association
in
their
annual
survey
of
businesses
and
residents
in
downtown.
So
it's
something
that
we've
we
wanted
to
note
as
well
is
that
parking
availability
is
still
a
concern
for
that.
For
that
group,
we
also
try
to
look
at
the
best
that
we
could
and
try
to
understand
social
impacts
of
hotel
development
and
I.
E
We
looked
at
data
such
as
race,
income,
educational
attainment
and
some
other
data
points
to
formulate
this
map,
in
which
neighborhoods
are
most
vulnerable,
and
we
could
then
overlay
different
types
of
development
on
that
map
to
see
what
impact
it
might
have
on
a
particular
vulnerable
neighborhood.
We've
also
started
preparing
for
some
projects.
Racial
equity
toolkit
with
this
is
something
that
we
did
for
our
urban
centers
rezoning
that
you
should
be
seeing
in
the
next
couple
of
months.
E
Racial
equity
toolkit
was
a
way
for
us
to
ask
questions
such
as
who
is
benefiting
from
this
particular
development
or
or
zoning
proposal.
What
are
the
unintended
consequences
of
this
decision
and
what
are
some
mitigation
and
impacts
that
we
need
to
consider?
So
these
are
tools
that
we're
starting
to
use
and
are
becoming
more
common
and
I.
Think
the
better
help
inform
our
decision-making
as
we
look
at
social
impacts
for
all
different
types
of
development
in
our
community.
So
I
have
a
break
here.
B
B
E
B
What
I'm
struck
by
is
the
ratio
of
short-term
rental
stays
to
hotel
room
nights
days
and
the
growth
there's
a
chart
in
here.
That
shows
that
it
has
skyrocketed
in
just
the
last
three
years,
where
the
room
nights
days
are
almost
two
to
one
to
hotel
room
night
stays
for
one
short-term
rental
room
nights
day
for
for
our
community.
B
That's
massive
I
mean
we,
and
that
has
happened
in
just
the
last
just
the
last
few
years
and
it's
sort
of
hard
to
quantify
that
impact,
because
you
know
you're
looking
at
a
neighborhood
and
you
don't
know
how
many
of
short-term,
rentals
or
home
stays
or
or
whatever
the
case.
The
other
thing
that
is
interesting
to
me
on
on
the
briefing
book
which
is
now
available
online
and
I
think
it
was
earlier,
because
this
briefing
book
got
circulated
way
back
when.
B
But
here
it
is
back
against
chock-full
of
a
lot
of
really
interesting
information
on
page
38
it.
It
compares
us
to
Savannah
Wilmington
Chattanooga
Charleston
Greenville,
South
Carolina,
those
are
kind
of
our
sister
cities
and
it
talks
about
the
share
of
the
room
tax
that
those
cities
receive,
which
varies
anywhere
from
Greenville
at
a
low
of
over
3
million
to
Savannah
at
the
high
11.6
million.
A
Nashville
of
course
receives
zero
because
it
all
goes
to
the
Tourism
Development
Authority,
and
then
it
indirectly
receives
funds.
E
We
did
we
have
done
some
additional
analysis
on
this,
and
not
everything
is
maybe
in
the
briefing
report,
as
we
continue
to
look
at
this,
and
we
did
look
at
other
jurisdictions
within
North
Carolina,
because
that
data
is
readily
is
very
readily
available.
We're
trying
to
look
and
a
little
bit
deeper
into
cities
like
Charleston
and
Savannah
to
really
get
an
understanding
again
of
that,
like
per
capita
of
promotional
dollars
per
capita,
to
get
an
understanding
of
that
balance.
E
I
think
one
thing
we
found
in
particular
in
North
Carolina,
is
that
how
the
hotel
occupancy
tax
dollars
are
allocated
for
what
uses
differs
quite
a
bit
amongst
jurisdictions
for
some
cities,
for
example
like
in
Wilmington,
they
receive
a
portion
of
the
occupancy
tax
for
their
convention
center.
For
example,
some
other
coastal
cities
receive
a
portion.
A
lot
of
documents
see
tax
for
beach
nourishment
or
for
public
services
like
fire
and
police
and
in
solid
waste
services.
So
it
does
vary
quite
a
bit
for
how
that
money
is
used
and
again
what?
E
A
C
Esther
is
pointing
out
more
interesting
tidbits
from
the
briefing
book.
I
would
point
us
to
page
33.
That
also
shows
the
hotel
location
and
the
TPDF
grant
distribution.
It's
so
it
shows
Asheville
having
roughly
something
a
little
shy.
Seventy
hotels
and
outside
of
Asheville
in
Buncombe
County
looks
like
about
eighteen
otels
and
the
disp
disproportionate
allocation
of
TPDF
awards
less
to
Asheville
relatively.
C
But
what
one
thing
I
would
ask
is
on
page
33
I
mean
it's
interesting.
The
number
of
hotels,
but
I
would
argue
that
that
we
need
to
look
at
the
number
of
hotel
rooms
because
I
mean
so
well.
Here's
the
room
number
but
I
was
just
wondering
if
on
page
33,
if
we
could
do
this
same
graph
based
on
the
number
of
hotel
rooms,
because
I
think
that's
I
mean
the
number
of
hotels
is
obviously
important,
but
the
number
of
hotel
rooms
also
talks
about
visitation.
C
G
Page
39
speaks
about
tourist
destinations
are
also
attractive
for
permanent
relocation,
and
I
was
wondering
if
there's
any
way,
that
we
can
quantify
that
maybe
I
know
you
won't
have
this
information.
We
have
this
information
before
our
census
status.
Data
comes
in,
but
I
wanted
to
know
how
many
people
are
relocating
to
Asheville,
whether
their
social
status,
and
if
that
has
a
social
impact
when
it
relates
to
displacement.
H
E
It
gets
a
little
bit
harder
to
maybe
determine
what
those
impacts
are
for
for
visitors
that
come
here
during
the
day,
as
opposed
to
just
looking
at
a
land
use
like
if,
like
hotels
but
I,
think
we
can
certainly
look
at
again
those
peer
cities
to
see
what
their
makeup
is.
If
we
can
find
some
data
on
that
about
how
much
what
percentage
of
day
visitors
versus
overnight
visitor
and.
C
Then
the
other,
the
other
thought
is
given
the
fact
that
we've
got
the
city
of
Asheville
has
so
many
short-term
vacation.
Rentals
I
mean
looks
like
it's
somewhat
disproportionate
to
the
other
cities.
I
mean
I'm,
just
wondering.
If
we
should
look
at
that,
I
mean
you
know,
sort
of
look
at
the
short
term.
Vacation
rentals
as
a
land
use
also
I
mean
we're
kind
of
isolating
hotels,
but
it
looks
as
if
we've
got
a
disproportionate
number
of
short-term
rentals
and
I'm
just
wondering
if
there's
some
how
we
could
incorporate
that
into
this
analysis.
E
Could
definitely
try
I
know
even
for
us,
it's
sometimes
short
term
vacation
rental
data
can
be
hard
to
come
by
and
understand,
I
think
for
especially
for
North
Carolina.
We
certainly
Asheville
leads
as
a
city
in
terms
of
being
proactive
in
enforcing
short-term
vacation
rentals.
A
lot
of
other
cities
are
starting
to
copy.
C
And
and
then
just
another
question
and
it
might
help
to
help
them
find.
The
information
do
is
I'm,
assuming
that
other
cities
charge
and
occupancy
tax
also
for
short-term
vacation
rentals,
so
they
should
be
able
to
I
mean
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
Buncombe
County
is
unique
in
that,
so
they
should
be
able
to
give
us
that
information
to
help
flush
that
out.
F
The
number,
the
graphs
that
we
have
in
here
related
to
hotel
demand
short-term
rental
demand
average
occupancy
all
that
is
that
Asheville
specific,
that
is
Asheville
specific
data,
or
is
that
County
data?
Because
I,
you
know
the
TDA
collects
data
on
a
county
wide
basis
and
doesn't
normally
split
it
out
between
the
city
and
the
county.
So
I'm,
just
I'm,
just
asking
I'd,
have.
E
To
double-check,
I'm,
not
not
sure,
I,
don't
wanna,
give
you
the
wrong
answer
on
that.
Okay,
I
know
for
some
of
these
data
points
we
do
kind
of
weave
in
and
out
sometimes
when
the
data
is
available
for
Asheville,
we
would
include
that
right
and
when
it
wasn't,
we
would
include
Buncombe,
County
or
even
Buncombe
County
of
region,
even
like
our
metropolitan
statistical
areas.
A
G
E
In
order
to
do
that,
you
will
I
suggested
that
we
strengthen
our
partnerships
with
others
and
build
trust
in
the
community
that
we
equip
everyone
in
the
community
with
facts,
and
we've
tried
to
do
that
with
the
briefing
report
as
best
as
we
could.
A
couple
of
these
other
things
are
some
things
that
we're
already
doing
where
we
are
currently
in
a
supporting
role
as
a
city
to
the
TDA
in
their
tourism
management
and
investment
plan.
E
And
finally,
one
of
this
is
kind
of
one
of
the
major
issues
that,
at
the
beginning
of
the
study
that
we
recognized
is
that
there
was
this
interest
in
providing
more
predictability
and
transparency
in
the
development
review
process,
as
it
relates
to
hotel
development
and
some
of
the
recommendations.
You'll
see
are
related
to
that.
That
big
idea
and.
F
E
In
part,
I
think
that
that
is
one
way
to
look
at
in
other
ways.
You
also
provide
that
this
kind
of
standardized
criteria
and
level
the
playing
field
for
applicants
that
everyone
knows
rules
are
we
also
the
the
following
recommendations
are
more
specific
and
we've
tried
to
group
those
into
different
categories
to
make
it
a
little
bit
easier
to
understand
the
recommendations.
So
the
categories
are
revenue,
generating
recommendations,
planning,
recommendations
and
regulatory
recommendations
for
the
revenue
generating
recommendations.
E
The
first
bullet
highlights
an
opportunity
that
we
have
for
our
rights-of-way
during
construction
and
how
that
right-of-way
is
used
during
hotel
construction
or
any
development.
That's
under
construction
within
the
city,
in
particularly
our
downtown
area,
has
an
impact
on
our
right
away
during
during
construction.
So
this
recommendation
would
focus
on
having
a
lease
agreement
with
the
the
developer,
where
there
would
be
a
sort
of
fee
assessed
for
use
of
public
right-of-way.
Our
sidewalks
are
radicular
lanes,
bike
lanes
and
parking,
and
we
can.
B
I
would
add
to
that.
You
know
I,
don't
think.
We've
been
aggressive
about
this
and
I
know.
Other
cities
do
do
this.
In
addition,
making
sure
that
there
is
a
way
to
travel
down
a
sidewalk,
well
something's
under
construction
and
a
lot
of
times
in
Nashville.
They
just
take
up
a
whole
sidewalk
in
a
lane
and
everyone.
B
B
E
There's
another
aspect
for
this
particular
revenue,
generating
recommendation
where
there's
an
enforcement
piece
to
it
all
so
that
we
could
set
a
certain
time
limit
for
use
of
right
away
and
hold
developers
who
are
constructing
to
that
time
limit.
So
these
are
things
that
the
Transportation
Department
in
concert
with
the
City
Attorney's
Office
is
currently
looking
at.
E
As
you
know,
if
it
is
a
self-imposed
way
for
downtown
businesses
and
property
owners
to
fund
enhanced
services
or
improvements
within
a
particular
area,
in
this
case
the
downtown.
At
that
time,
there
were
a
lot
of
concerns
related
to
the
bid,
such
as
ensuring
that
downtown
remains
an
inclusive
place
for
people
and
that
tax
impacts
on
local
businesses
were
mitigated.
Therefore,
at
the
time
with
the
Business
Improvement
District
idea
and
the
framework
that
was
established
several
years
ago,
we
haven't,
as
a
city,
implemented
a
tax
mechanism.
E
A
E
You
could
increase
the
threshold
for,
at
which
point
the
tax
would
would
be
applied
so,
for
example,
for
the
first
10
or
15
dollars
of
spending
at
a
restaurant
that
tax
might
be
exempt.
So
that
was
one
consideration
that
you
Ally
had
as
part
of
this
overall
recommendation
and
finally
renegotiating
the
tax
split
for
the
hotel.
Occupancy
tax
is
something
that
I
believe
is
already
kind
of
currently
currently
underway.
E
B
H
H
We
reverse
the
entire
thing
to
25
75
going
the
other
way
so
and
and
I
would
just
say
that
we,
if
you,
if
you
go
back
and
look
at
when
we
started
bail,
share
and
when
we
created
this
occupancy
tax,
those
things
were
needed
at
the
time
to
reverse
the
decline
in
visitation
and
realized
the
associated
economic
benefits
of
tourism.
In
2013
we
decided
that
bail
share
was
no
longer
needed.
B
And
now
I
think
that's
a
valid
point.
I'm
gonna
talk
a
little
bit
about
this
tomorrow
when
I
do
this
day
of
the
downtown
address,
but
the
legislature,
of
course
controls
the
room
tax,
because
it's
controlled
by
local
bill,
local
legislation
and
currently
the
committee
that
considers
the
room
tax
for
local
governments
is,
has
adopted
committee
guidelines
that
say
that
the
room
tax
shall
be
a
split
of
no
more
than
thirty
three
thirty,
three
sixty
three,
so
thirty,
three
percent
for
tours
and
related
expenses.
B
Sixty
six
percent
for
marketing
and
those
are
the
current
committee
guidelines.
The
legislature
is
using
so
while
I
I
agree
with
you
Brian
that
I
I
think
we
make.
We
can
make
a
case
that
we
don't
fit
the
normal
situation
that
we,
the
committee
guidelines
shouldn't,
apply
to
Asheville,
because
now
it's
bringing
in
twenty
five
million
dollars
a
year
and
we're
spending
more
money
on
marketing
than
you
just
told
us.
Any.
C
B
Okay,
but
but
it
you
know,
I
think
with
the
current
legislature.
We
we
we
would.
We
would
probably
not
see
movement
on
a
bill
that
was
different
than
the
committee
guidelines
in
all
reality,
and
that
may
be
fine
I
mean
it
may
be
important
that
we
make
we
take
that
position,
and
that
means
there's
no
change
at
all
or
you
know,
or
we
decide
to
move
incremental
ii
and
at
least
move
it
to
whatever
the
committee
guidelines
will
allow,
which
is
better
than
what
this
situation
is,
but
that
that's
not.
E
E
We
refer
to
our
living
Asheville
plan
or
town
town
master
plan,
but
also
regularly
updating
those.
So,
as
you
know,
our
downtown
master
plan
was
last
adopted
in
2009,
so
there
is
probably
an
opportunity
being
10
years
later
to
start.
Looking
at
updating
that
plan,
we've
already
begun
that
process
over
the
course
of
the
past
year.
E
The
second
bullet
refers
to
another
recommendation
for
a
tourism
management
plan.
It
sounds
like
we
already
have
a
lot
of
tourism
planning
in
the
community,
but
I
think
one
of
the
differences
with
this
idea.
It's
something
that
they
have
in
Charleston
and
some
other
tourist
destination
areas
where
they
have
a
plan
that
focuses
more
on
sustainable
tourism
and
managing
the
sector
in
a
way
that
aligns
with
city
and
community
goals.
E
The
last
planning
recommendation
on
the
slide
is
something
again:
it's
not
a
new
idea,
but
helping
the
fund
transit
such
as
a
circulator
bus
or
a
downtown
shuttle
within
downtown
to
connect
key
attractions.
This
is
actually
an
idea.
That's
that's
baked
into
the
transit
master
plan
as
a
strategy
that
might
be
implemented
a
few
years
out.
E
Moving
on
to
the
regulatory
bucket,
the
recommendations,
here's
going
back
to
the
idea
of
re-establishing
zoning
for
hotels,
including
well
defined
standards
and
criteria,
and
there
are
a
number
of
ways
that
that
could
be
achieved
that
I'll
get
into
in
a
little
bit.
The
second
bullet
on
here
refers
to
looking
at
our
traffic
impact
analysis
and
when
that's
required,
Uli
recommended
that
we
have
an
opportunity,
maybe
to
look
at
lowering
the
threshold
for
when
a
traffic
impact
study
or
assessment
is
required.
E
The
Transportation
Department
has
also
been
looking
at
considering
having
different
trend
TI
a
requirements
depending
upon
the
location
of
a
project.
So,
for
example,
a
project
in
the
downtown
might
have
different
traffic
impact
analysis,
requirements
than
a
project
out
on
Tunnel
Road
or
on
Hendersonville
Road,
for
example.
There
are
other
recommendations
here
related
to
to
traffic
again
and
Aliens
of
rights-of-way
within
the
city.
The
third
bullet
refers
to
looking
at
having
standardized
Valley
parking
standards.
E
D
B
E
The
last
bullet
refers
to
what
Uli
was
calling
a
community
benefits
agreement,
which
is
something
that
typically
would
be
voluntarily
negotiated
with
developers
as
part
of
the
development
review
process.
The
idea
here,
though,
when
we
looked
at
a
little
bit
more
and
in
terms
of
how
overlaid
to
city
of
Asheville,
we
would
call
it
more
of
a
public
benefits,
type
of
agreement
and
again
I'll
get
into
that.
E
A
little
bit
more
detail
later
on
the
presentation,
but
to
even
idea
public
benefits
could
be
something
like
requiring:
affordable
housing
requiring
public
parking,
public,
open
spaces
requiring
travel
demand,
management
measures
such
as
free
transit,
passes
or
bike
showers,
or
for
free
daycare.
All
these
things
are
the
types
of
things
that
I
think
City
Council
for
on
a
project-by-project
basis
has
requested
some
of
these
things
of
developers,
and
we
have
an
opportunity
with
this
recommendation,
to
standardize
some
of
these
things
as
incentive.
F
E
The
the
city
of
Wilmington
is
one
city
that
we
looked
at
that
currently
has
a
public
benefits
matrix
for
projects
in
their
downtown.
Does
that
tool
is
that
they
reduce
the
the
review
threshold
for
a
project.
So,
for
example,
if
a
project
includes
a
certain
number
of
public
benefits
and
meets
a
certain
point
criteria.
I
E
And
again,
it's
a
way
for
us
I
think
to
maybe
standardize
across
the
board
what
the
community,
what
City
Council
wants
to
see
for
these
projects,
but
doing
so
at
the
beginning
of
a
project,
and
we
can
apply
those
public
benefits
in
a
way
that
achieves
I.
Think
many
of
the
goals
that
council
has
and
again
that
the
carrot
would
be
that
that
development
review
threshold
and
how
project
is
review.
Yeah.
F
Again,
any
something
that
any
recommendations
that
would
sort
of
get
at
that
issue
of
balancing
hotels
versus
other
uses,
I
think
particularly
in
places
like
downtown,
but
there
there
could
be
other
parts
of
town
there
are.
There
are
other
parts
of
town
that
have
concentrations
of
hotels,
so
did
in
y'all's
discussions
with
Uli
did
they
did
they
elaborate
on
that
at
all?
I
I
just
was
expecting
to
see
some
more
of
those
kinds
of
things
as.
E
A
big
kind
of
idea
when
they
try
to
answer
that
question
I
think
they
acknowledged
that
in
any
city,
unless,
like
you're
running
out
of
water
availability
and
those
sorts
of
things
that
that
it's
really
hard
to
put
a
threshold
on
what
our
overall
development
capacity
is
is
in
general
within
any
city.
But
when
we
look
at
at
that
question
a
little
bit
more
in
detail
that
we
could
apply
some
standards
and
criteria
like,
for
example,
where
would
a
hotel
be
able
to
be
appropriate
and
at
what
size?
E
One
tool
that
we
could
look
at
as
part
of
the
next
phase
of
the
planning
process
would
be
to
look
at
those
questions
in
these
strategies
in
more
detail
and
kind
of
engage
the
public
and
get
some
ideas
about
other
criteria
such
as
separation
distances.
That
could
be
something
that
we
could
apply
in
areas
of
downtown,
for
example,
and
having
a
certain
separation
between
hotel
pieces,
Thanks.
E
Okay,
I'll
try
to
wrap
this
up
for
our
speaker
system
blows
up.
So
what
we're
looking
at
at
this
part
of
the
presentation
in
the
work
session
is
for
council
concurrence
on
our
next
steps.
What
we
try
to
do
is
boil
down
and
distill
the
recommendations
into
recommendations
that
we
feel
like
we
can
prioritize
and
we
have
the
time
to
work
on
over
the
next
few
months.
So
these
are
the
short-term
recommendations
that
staff
feels
we
could
accomplish
in
the
next
few
months.
E
While
the
moratorium
is
still
in
place,
it
mainly
includes
the
regulatory
strategies,
as
I
mentioned,
and
one
revenue
generating
strategy
as
it
relates
to
leasing.
That's
V
rut
right
away
during
construction
for
the
regulatory
requirements
and
recommendations.
Again,
we
would
be
looking
at
reestablishing
where
hotels
could
be
permitted
within
the
city
by
geographic
area
and
then
developing
those
standards
and
criteria
for
how
hotels
are
reviewed.
E
Some
design
improvements-
it
might
not
be
an
overall
overhaul
of
our
design
guidelines,
but
certainly
there
are
some
things
that
we've
learned
in
the
last
decade
for
design
in
downtown
and
I
think
we
have
an
opportunity
to
improve
the
way
that
design
looks
for
hotels
and
possibly
for
other
reduces.
We
can
look
at
evaluating
the
traffic
impact
analysis
threshold
and,
finally,
we
could
develop
those
valet
parking
standards
for
hotel
development.
E
J
E
Our
idea
is
that
between
now
and
the
end
of
spring,
we
would
further
analyze
these.
These
ideas
engage
the
community,
get
their
input
on
some
of
these
strategies
and
then
come
back
to
Council
in
late
summer,
with
the
actual
regulatory
changes
for
your
consideration,
we
could
certainly
through
PD
or
through
a
full
council
session.
If
you
all
want,
we
can
come
back
even
with
what
we
heard
from
the
community
before
we
move
forward
with
coming
back
to
you
with
the
actual
regulatory
changes.
If
that's
something
that
you
prefer
so.
J
E
I
think
the
idea
here
is
as
a
permitted
land
use.
You
know.
Currently,
we
we
are
actually
prohibit
hotels
throughout
the
city,
except
for
the
the
resort
district,
which
is
a
very
limited
area
within
the
city.
So
the
idea
here
is
that
we
could
reintroduce
where
hotels
are
permitted,
but
with
additional
standards
and
criteria
and
those
public
benefits
that
I
mentioned
as
an
incentive
to
try
to
achieve
City,
Council
and
community
goals
and.
D
E
And
we
start
to
look
at
what
those
public
benefit
ideas
could
be
just
looking
at
what
some
other
cities
are
doing.
So
this
is
just
to
give
you
an
idea,
some
of
the
things
that
we
could
ask
for
and
try
to
incentivize,
affordable
housing,
green
building
criteria
requiring
a
project
build
a
green
way
if
that's
on
the
green
way,
master
plan,
different
transportation
to
met
ideas,
enhancing
our
design
review
and
compliance
again.
I
K
This
is
a
similar
vehicle
to
achieve
some
of
those
things.
One
of
the
ways
that
other
communities
have
done.
This
in
a
variety
of
environments
has
been
through
lowering
the
final
approval
threshold,
as
Todd
mentioned
here
from
say,
a
council
approval
down
to
maybe
just
the
administrative
or
a
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission
approval
in
exchange
for
meeting
certain
criteria
which
could
be
set
by
the
council
along
these
sorts
of
lines.
So
as
an
incentive
program,
that's
something
that
other
municipalities
throughout
the
state
have
used.
I
K
About
or
just
by
way,
it's
by
way
of
an
example
or
other
communities
have
allowed
for
increased
density
developments
or
certain
expanded
standards
for
certain
things
in
exchange.
For
some
of
these
other
benefits
that
certainly
manager
Campbell
can
comment
on
that
as
well,
but
I
think
a
classic
one.
Maybe
you
can
build
higher.
Maybe
you
can
build
more
densely
if
you
achieve
some
of
these
goals,
so
there
are
some
other
others
I
think
one
of
the
most
powerful
ones.
F
J
Think
the
initial
the
initial
steps
would
be
to
look
at
staff
recommendations,
but
along
that
process
to
come
back
to
Council
in
some
way
shape
or
form.
So
we
could
do
a
little
bit
of
deep
diving
on
our
own
to
kind
of
throw
some
things
in
there.
I
know
that
you
know
when
we
talk
about
affordable
housing.
That's
that's
been
something
that
has
been
mentioned
in
the
past
about
having
that
included
in
some
of
these
standards.
Housing
Choice
vouchers,
all
these
sorts
of
things
that
could
could
go
into
this
incentive
package.
C
One
thing
that
I
didn't
see
on
the
potential
for
the
incentives
which
we've
asked
some
of
the
hotels
that
are
not
in
the
downtown
area
is
to
provide
shuttle
services
and
that
I
don't
see
that
on
there
and
then
one
question
in
a
concern:
I
guess
I
always
have
with
some
of
these.
Are
you
know
what
happens?
What
happens
at
five
years
after
a
hotel
gets
authorized,
that
they
they
stop
doing
recycling
or
composting
I
mean
what
what
does
what's.
C
E
E
C
I
H
And
back
to
what
Glenn
was
stating
there,
I
mean:
how
are
we
proving
that,
when
folks
commit
to
us
that
they're
gonna
provide
living
wage
jobs
as
jobs
that
they're,
actually
doing
so
I
mean
last
night
I
heard
was
that
we
have
one
hotel
that
has
actually
a
certified
living
wage
employee
so
who
checks
on
that?
I
mean
those
that
commit
to
these
things.
I
think.
E
First,
we
just
have
to
it
would
have
to
investigate
as
to
what
public
benefits
we
think
we
can
legally
do,
and
any
of
the
public
benefits
would
have
a
very
specific
standard
for
them,
some
kind
of
number
or
threshold
attached
to
it.
That
would
be
very
clear
about
what
we're
asking
for.
So
we
would
do
our
best
to
try
to
define,
define
your
referring
to
what
is
living
wage
mean
or
like
what
is
that
that's
standard
for
that
public
benefit?
We
would
try
to
make
that
very
clear
for
all
the
those
public
benefits.
E
Again,
I
think
you
know
we
would
any
of
the
public
benefits.
We
would
have
to
see
if
it's
it's
legal
for
us
to
do
as
an
incentive
and
then
we
would
have
to.
We
would
treat
it
as
any
other
zoning
violation.
If
someone
doesn't
do
something
that
their
permit
says
that
they
should
do,
there
would
be
you
know,
a
notice
of
violation
or
possible
citation.
E
D
I'm,
sorry,
if
I
could
respond
to
your
question,
customer
hangs
we're
in
the
process
of
understanding
the
community
benefits
agreement
and
the
details.
If
we
come
back
with
any
of
those
recommendations,
whatever
areas
in
if
it's
employment,
if
it's
affordable
housing,
whatever
the
area,
we
will
bring
back
a
recommendation
that
will
demonstrate
the
enforcement
of
those
things
so
we're
kind
of
we're
not
at
the
face.
Unfortunately,
where
we
have
detailed
recommendations,
but
we
will
have
them
in
a
couple
months.
D
J
My
statement
was
pretty
much
gonna,
be
along
the
same
lines
of
what
you
just
mentioned.
As
far
as
the
enforcement
mechanism
that
counseling
councilman
Hanes
and
Councilwoman
Whistler
brought
up
as
far
as
making
sure
that
that
is
a
very
important
piece,
how
it
expanded
abilities
of
that.
Unfortunately,
because
of
the
afford
that
the
enforcement
mechanism
isn't
adequate,
then
it
doesn't
matter
what
we
do,
because
as
Councilwoman
with
Vice
Mayor
Whistler
mentioned
what
happens
five
years
from
now
ten
years
from
now.
How
do
we
have
activation?
So.
B
Is
the
sense
that,
following
up
on
that
assistance
that
you
know
if
you
were
to
establish
a
set
of
hall
of
requirements
for
hotel
years
to
essentially
avoid
coming
to
Council
because
they
met
all
these
various
requirements?
That
is
probably
not
going
to
be
as
broad
I
guess,
I'm.
Looking
at
my
lawyer
and
but.
B
Going
to
be
as
broad
as
we
sometimes
make
it
within
the
context
of
assisi,
because
when
we
have
a
hotel
application
before
us,
we
have
met.
We
have
reached
an
agreement
with
lots
of
different
criteria
that
are
very
specific
to
the
particular
application
and
I.
Think
you
raise
an
important
point:
I
mean
we've
had
Hotel
years,
that'll
say:
I'm
gonna
pay
a
living
wage,
but
under
North
Carolina
law.
There
is
no
way
to
enforce
that.
As
a
condition.
B
J
Right
well,
I
mean
I,
think
that's
where
the
the
legal
ramifications
are
we'd
have
to
explore
it.
What
create?
How
can
we
be
creative
to
make
sure
the
enforcement
happens?
Okay,
so,
on
the
surface
there
may
not
seem
like
anything,
but
what
are
some
other
ways
that
we
can
create?
What
can
we
create
and
be
creative
and
how
to
make
that
enforcement?
Some
other
way
where
it
may
not
be
a
notice
of
violation
where
it
may
be
something
else
where,
if
you
fail
to
do
X,
you
will
do
why
or
whatever.
B
I
mean
I,
don't
we
don't
know
what
that
is
and
yeah
we're
not
gonna
get
I
mean
you
know.
I
was
talking
with
a
council
member
and
I
can't
refer
this
Chapel
Hill
or
but
they
were
saying,
and
she
was
an
attorney
I
mean
she
was
saying
you
know.
One
way
to
do
this
is
to
you
know,
enter
into
a
development
agreement
with
each
applicant,
because
a
development
agreement
will
let
you
put
in
all
kinds
of
strange
things
like
we
want
you
to
have
three
foot
high
shrubs.
B
J
For
instance,
this
is
one
of
those
crazy,
creative
things
like
Azir
mechanism
that
maybe
are
for
enforcement.
Of
these
things
would
not
be
able
to
go
so
far,
but
as
far
as
possibly
placing
a
lien
I
mean
I
mean
it's,
it
I
see
some
of
the
looks
on
people's
faces,
but
I
mean
when
you
talk
about
an
enforcement
mechanism.
I
think
the
enforcement
mechanism
itself
has
to
be
strong
enough
in
order
for
these,
these
developments
to
hold
true
to
what
they
say,
they're
gonna,
do
so.
J
B
And
I'm
not
I'm,
not
talking
about
the
enforcement
issues,
I
mean
by
by
what
I'm
trying
to
say
is
ok,
so
right
now
we
have
a
developer
that
comes
before
us
and
says:
I
will
pay
a
living
wage
to
my
employees.
I
make
that
promise.
We
can't
make
it
a
condition
legally
in
North
Carolina,
but
they
make
that
promise.
We
couldn't
build
that
particular,
for
example,
that
particular
requirement
into
these
new
rules.
New
hypothetical
rules.
B
K
Beyond
what
we've
been
able
to
do
thus
far
beyond
what
we
can
do
normally
under
Arizona
thority,
so
I
think
part
of
what
the
process
will
be
from
a
legal
standpoint
will
be
seeing
what
we
can
do
with
their
zoning
power,
where
we
may
have
to
look
somewhere
else
and
what
those
road
maps
may
look
like.
But.
I
The
public
benefits
and
I'm
not
gonna,
speak
for
other
council
members,
but
it
seems
to
be.
You
know,
a
view
that
many
folks
are
looking
into
and
I
certainly
want
to
explore
that
route.
You
know
one
question
that
may
come
up
as
we
get
down
there
is
with
respect
to
those
public
benefits.
Is
this
something
where
we
say
these
are
specifically
the
public
benefits
you
must
have
or
do
we
do
something
like
I
think.
I
They've
got
some
type
of
matrix
where
it
almost
sounds
like
more
of
a
Luigi.
When
we
say
look,
you
can
you
can
pick
and
choose.
These
are
what
they
are.
This
is
what
they're
worth
you
know.
That
complicates
it
a
little
bit,
but
at
the
same
time
you
know
the
fight
will
have
to
have.
We
don't
do
it.
That
way,
is
everything.
I
E
J
Movement
moving
forward,
I
would
also
say
there
was
a
mention
of
community
input,
considering
that
this
is
we're
at
this,
this
specific
place
with
a
hotel
moratorium
and
what
we're
gonna
do
moving
forward
this.
This
is
a
bit
of
interest
to
the
community
and
in
ways
that
could
have
never
imagined,
but
there's
going
to
have
to
be
a
very
robust
conversation
with
the
community
and
their
input.
J
I
B
E
As
a
stage
that
that
these
are
basically
all
the
other
recommendations
that
we
would
not,
we
can't
guarantee
that
we'll
be
able
to
look
at
in
the
next
few
months
during
the
hotel
moratorium
and
before
it
ends
that
the
short-term
recommendations
we
could.
We
think
we
could
definitely
look
at
those
things.
Some
of
these
other
ideas.
We
could
start
to
have
conversations
with
the
community
about
some
of
these
things,
but
but
there's
no
guarantee
that
these
would
be
implemented
before
the
expiration
of
the
moratorium
and.
D
If,
if
I
could
also
whether
it
should
be
city
staff
leading
these
initiatives,
so,
for
example,
the
tech
split
from
the
hotel
occupancy
tax,
certainly
the
staff
is
very
willing
to
support,
but
I
don't
know
that
that
is
a
conversation
that
staff
needs
to
be
leading.
So
some
of
this
is
a
combination
of
longer
term.
How
do
we
develop
partnerships
and
decide
who
should
who's
best
to
take
lead
on
these?
Yes,.
C
That
was
one
of
the
big.
The
big
recommendations
is
a
Business
Improvement
District
that
came
out
of
that
inner
city
visit
with
that
the
chamber
hosted
and
I'm
just
wondering
if,
if
there
is
community
interest
in
the
Business
Improvement
District,
rather
than
staff
running
that
or
taking
the
lead
on
that,
maybe
that's
a
chamber
initiative,
or
even
a
Downtown
Association
initiative
again
to
just
exactly
make
sure
that
there's
a
lot
of
great
community
involvement.
C
B
You
know
and
I
would
say,
for
for
folks,
I've
been
seeing
a
lot
of
chatter
around
food
and
beverage.
We
did
make
a
big
run
at
this.
Actually.
Last
year
we
talked
about
it.
During
our
budget
work
sessions.
We
looked
at
how
much
money
it
would
bring
in
if
it
was
applied
to
all
food
and
beverage
if
it
was
applied
just
in
the
city,
not
countywide,
if
it
was
applied,
if
it
was
applied
just
to
establishments
that
served
alcohol-
and
you
know
so,
do
you
cut
out?
B
B
There
is
a
way
to
do
it
with
legislation
and
a
referendum
if
you
want
to
make
it
extra
challenging,
but
out
of
bare
minimum,
it
requires
legislation.
Of
course
it
got
tremendous
pushback
from
you
know
from
restaurants
in
Nashville,
because
they
don't
want
to
tax
their
customers,
obviously
so
that
that
is
a
that's
a
challenging
tax
tax
because
you
really
have
to
have
a
lot
of
consensus
around
moving
it
forward.
If
you're
going
to
get
traction
and
the
legislature
to
get
it
to
get
it
through,
we
I
I
was
on
council
I.
B
E
B
Mean
that
was,
you
know,
sort
of
somewhat
epic
battle
of
those
who
wanted
to
you
know
I'd,
say
downtown
was
kind
of
split
50-50.
Frankly,
I
think
we
probably
waited
too
long
to
try
to
do
a
bid
relative
to
the
other
50
cities
or
so
in
it
North
Carolina
that
I
have
a
bid
that
established
them
a
long
time
ago.
Back
when
property
taxes
were
not
a
significant
line-item,
as
they
are
now
for
folks.
So
you
know,
and
also
going
back
to
the
property
tax.
Well,
every
time
to
pay
for
impacts
on
the
city.
B
Just
isn't
just
a
sustainable.
It
doesn't
make
a
long
long
term
sense,
and
you
know
I
personally
am
engaged
in
a
conversation
around
changing
the
mix
on
the
room.
Tax
brian
has
already
spelled
out
kind
of
some
of
what
the
issues
are
there
and
the
other
revenue.
That's
not
on
here.
I
continue
to
think
is
something
we
should
look
at
as
a
quarter
cent
sales
tax
for
transit,
the
challenge
there
is
once
again
it
would
have
to
be
approved
by
the
County
Commission
put
on
the
ballot
as
a
referendum
in
a
countywide
vote.
B
That
is
the
only
statutory
vehicle
that's
available,
Wake
County
Orange
County
Durham
County
Mecklenburg
County.
They
all
have
them,
but
they
are
counties
where
their
cities
are
the
greater
population
than
their
county,
and
we
are
the
reverse.
So
you
know,
obviously
that
would
be
an
uphill
battle,
but
it
certainly
yields
a
large
amount
of
revenue
that
can
be
directed
to
transit
and
I've
asked
Taft
to
kind
of
look
at
how
we,
how
we've
done
a
look
here
at
other
cities.
You
know
trying
to
understand
how
cities
are
sized
in
North
Carolina
are
funding
transit?
B
Why
is
it
such
a
struggle
for
us
funding
it
from
our
general
fund
and
our
parking
tax
revenue,
because
we
know
cities
like
Chapel
Hill
have
robust
partnerships
with
the
University
and
they're,
not
they're,
not
burdened
with
the
cost
of
transit.
The
way
we
are,
even
though
we're
not
dissimilar
in
size,
so
I
I,
think
I,
don't
know
what
there
is
necessarily
for
staff
to
do
on
the
revenue
generating
items,
but
I
think
it's
important
to
keep
focusing
on
them
and
highlighting
them,
and
noting
that
we
don't,
if
you
don't,
have
them.
F
And
I'll
just
mention
again:
it's
not!
It
doesn't
belong
on
this
slide,
but
there
you
know
we.
We
are
also
in
conversations
about
trying
to
get
the
city,
or
maybe
municipalities,
generally
the
ability
to
do,
of
course,
and
sales
tax.
In
addition
to
counties
you
know,
all
of
these
things
are
gonna,
be
legislative
battles,
and
so
you
know
what's,
let's,
let's
pick
more
rather
than
less
and
that
you
know
that
seems
to
be
to
me
even
more
like
a
more
likely
positive
outcome
than
trying
to
get
the
county
to
do
it.
F
D
And
we
certainly
from
the
staff
perspective,
wanted
to
focus
more
on
the
regulatory
aspects,
because
we
think
that
that
was
the
question
or
the
issue
that
you
all
brought
up
in
terms
of
as
a
land-use.
What
are
the
impacts
and
how
do
we
better,
regulate
it
and
ensure
that
it's
located
in
areas
where
it
complements
and
not
conflicts?
And
so
that's
that's
where
a
lot
of
our
emphasis
over
the
next
several
months
will
be
again.
D
These
other
items
are
more
long-term,
not
that
we're
not
going
to
pay
attention
to
them,
but
we
think
that
should
be
shared
with
lots
of
other
entities
and
groups
within
within
the
community
and
mayor
I
know
this
is
your
meeting,
but
I
know
we
have
a
five
o'clock
meeting
as
well,
so
I
don't
know.
If
there
is
there.
E
To
mention
that
these
can
all
fit
on
the
same
slide,
but
these
were
the
two
other
regulatory
recommendations
that
would
be
in
the
long
term
that
we
could
look
at
our
design
guidelines
for
downtown
run
in
other
areas
of
the
city
more
holistically.
It
would
take
additional
time
that
we
could
could
not
necessarily
do
that
in
the
next
few
months,
and
there
is
this
idea
of
designating
a
portion
or
portions
of
the
downtown,
possibly
as
a
local,
historic
district.
E
That's
an
idea,
that's
also
in
living
Asheville
and
an
historic
preservation
master
plan
as
well,
but
again,
ideas
that
that
might
extend
beyond
the
moratorium.
Expiration
timeline
acts
conclude
with
just
next
steps.
Again,
we
would
conduct
this
additional
research
on
the
short-term
recommendations.
A
I
I
You
guys
clearly
spend
a
lot
of
time
doing
it.
I
know
there
was
compliments
from
Uli
from
it
as
well
and
miss
Campbell.
You
should
you
should
let
folks
know
about
that,
but
it
was
an
excellent,
excellent
job
and
actually
to
say
thank
you
for
the
amount
of
effort
you
guys
have
put
into
this
already
appreciate.