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A
Good
afternoon
my
name
is
esther
manheimer
and
I'm
mayor
of
the
city
of
asheville
and
I'd
like
to
welcome
you
to
the
october
26
city
council
meeting
for
tonight's
meeting.
All
council,
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually
for
those
of
you
out
there
with
us
tonight
welcome
to
help
our
audience
follow
along
I'll
state.
Each
section
of
the
agenda
aloud.
We
are
streaming
live
on
our
virtual
engagement
hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city
website.
A
And
entering
the
code
5236,
we
are
also
broadcasting
live
on
the
city's
youtube
channel
for
public
comment.
We
ask
callers
to
sign
up
in
advance
to
join
the
live
speaker
queue.
We
will
only
be
taking
live
comments
from
those
who
signed
up
prior
to
tonight's
meeting.
Those
callers
have
been
provided
instructions
on
how
to
participate.
A
Each
caller
is
allotted
three
minutes
to
speak
for
each
agenda
item.
We
will
hear
live
comments
for
up
to
one
hour
on
each
agenda
item
a
reminder
to
callers.
You
will
first
hear
staff
inform
counsel
that
you're
next
to
speak.
Then
you
will
hear
an
automated
message,
letting
you
know
you
are
unmuted
and
live
in
the
meeting.
You
may
begin
speaking
after
the
automated
message
to
best
ensure
staff
can
support
you
in
case
of
technical
difficulties.
A
A
I
would
like
to
ask
all
those
participating
in
tonight's
public
comment
to
follow
council's
rules
of
decorum.
The
rules
include.
The
following
speakers
are
only
allowed
to
speak
one
time
during
the
public
comment
period
for
each
agenda
item
a
person
may
speak
only
if
they
have
signed
up
to
speak
in
accordance
with
the
city's
procedures.
Speaker
substitutions
at
the
meeting
are
not
allowed.
A
A
B
A
And
city
clerk,
maggie
burleson,
hello,
thank
you.
Okay.
To
begin
with,
we
will
recite
the
pledge
of
allegiance
and
council
members.
Please
join
with
me.
A
A
A
F
A
Moved
it's
gwen
I'll.
Second,
okay,
I
have
a
motion
and
a
second
and
do
we
have
anyone
signed
up
to
speak
under
the
consent
agenda?
Maggie?
I
don't
have
my
list
right
in
front
of
me.
A
H
Hello
council
concerning
consent,
agenda
item
b,
the
lease
between
the
city
of
asheville
and
grind
llc.
I'd
like
to
note
that
the
city
will
be
leasing.
Eight
river
arts
place
a
two
hundred
thousand
dollar
property
for
eighteen
thousand
dollars
a
year,
so
that's
nine
percent
rent
on
the
total
value
of
the
property.
H
The
express
purpose
of
grind
is
to
create
a
black
wall
street,
which
is
a
noble
endeavor
that
I
support.
I
do
wish
that
we
could,
and
I
believe
that
we
can
extend
the
same
terms
to
black
wall
street
as
we
do
to
the
asheville
tourist
baseball
team,
whose
express
purpose
is
to
sell
baseball
game
tickets
and
hot
dogs
for
58
games
home
games
a
year.
H
The
1920
square
foot
building
at
eight
river
arts
place
is
only
valued
at
seventeen
thousand
dollars.
This
building
is
only
eight
dollars
and
eighty
square
cents
a
square
foot.
That's
very
odd.
I'm
sure
there's
a
reason
that
eight
river
arts
place
is
only
worth
200
grand
and
that
keeps
the
rent
low,
fair
market
value
in
this
ultra
hip
location
should
be
about
18
to
20
dollars
a
square
foot
annually.
So
it's
about
2800
to
five
hundred
dollars
a
month.
Obviously
we
have
the
capacity
to
exempt
eight
river
arts
place
from
any
fair
market
analysis.
H
So
I
just
would
like
to
iterate
that
you
know
we're
giving
the
dewine
family
28
million
dollars
worth
of
assets
for
free,
yet
charging
black
wall
street
18
000
a
year.
So
please
have
some
more
discussion
about
this.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
Ben
is
the
only
person
we
have
signed
up
to
speak
under
the
consent
agenda,
so
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
adopt
the
consent
agenda
without
item
b.
We'll
do
that
next,
so
I'm
going
to
do
a
roll
call
vote
all
right:
councilwoman,
rony,
hi,
councilwoman
turner,
hi,
councilwoman
whistler.
I
A
Councilwoman
kilgore
I
and
councilwoman
mosley
aye,
okay,
okay,
council
item
b
on
the
consent
agenda
is
a
resolution
authorizing
the
city
manager
to
enter
into
a
lease
agreement
with
the
grind
llc
at
8
river
arts
place
vice
mayor.
I'm
just
going
to
call
on
you,
because
you
mentioned
this.
E
Well,
first
of
all,
I
would
like
to
thank
the
staff
selection
committee
for
this
process
and
using
equity
at
every
stage
of
the
process,
but
I
think,
at
this
juncture
we
have
been,
it
has
been
brought
to
our
attention
how
different
models
have
been
used
per
per
venture
to
look
at
how
to
increase
the
economic
activity
of
each
project.
So
with
this
tenant
program,
I
would
definitely
like
to
look
at
our
rental
rates.
E
Although
grind
llc
has
proposed
a
certain
rental
rate
for
a
four-year
term,
with
an
option
to
renew
over
another
four-year
term.
I
would
like
to
submit
today
that
and
make
a
motion
to
submit
that
the
city
manager
signed
a
lease
agreement
with
grind
llc
for
one
dollar
a
year
for
an
initial
four-year
term,
with
an
option
to
renew
for
another
four-year
term.
A
Okay,
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
you
know
I'll
just
comment
that
I
support
that
motion.
I
think
we
don't
have
a
policy
that
I
am
aware
of
regarding
the
leasing
of
city
properties,
but
we
have
some
experience.
A
I
know
sage
pointed
out
to
me
earlier
about
the
downtown
association's
lease
is
a
dollar.
We
also
used
to
lease
to
the
sister
cities
program
for
a
dollar
a
year
in
a
city
building,
so
we
have
some
other
examples.
I
don't
know
that
the
tourists
necessarily
or
abyssa
or
other
entities
like
that
would
be
an
apples
to
apples
comparison
because
we
do
have
agreements
in
place
with
them
that
they
shoulder
the
expenses
of
operations
of
those
facilities
which,
depending
can
be
six
figures
or
more
annually.
F
May
I
vice
mayor
smith,
do
a
friendly
amendment
and
call
this
a
grant,
as
opposed
to
a
change
in
the
lease
only
to
not
set
the
precedent
that,
for
other
organizations
that
may
in
future
years
lease
this
property
that
you
know
it
isn't
just
assume
that
it'd
be
a
dollar.
So
I
think
I
think
your
point
is:
is
it's
kind
of
unique
to
this
particular
tenant?
And
so
I
might
call
it
a
grant
or
something
like
that
that
so
I
would
just
try
to.
I
K
D
Well,
to
to
the
first
issue
of
the
alteration
of
the
leasing
rate
north
carolina
general
statute,
168-272
allows
for
council
to
set
whatever
rental
rate
up
to
10
years
for
city-owned
property
that
it
wishes.
However,
there
is
a
requirement
that
a
lease
be
noticed
to
the
public
30
days
prior
to
the
actual
lease,
including
the
rate
of
rental.
So
I
believe
we
have
been
noticing
this
for
the
previous
rental
rate.
So,
if
we're
going
to
change
that,
we
will
have
to
re-notice
it
for
30
days.
F
Yeah,
could
you
keep
the
rent?
Could
you
keep
the
rent
as
it
is
and
then
basically
have
the
city
do
some
sort
of?
I
don't
know
what
you'd
call
it,
but
like
a
grant
or
a
something
where
you
you
know,
you
basically
keep
the
lease
at
the
rate
that
we've
already
stated,
but
we
are
in
effect,
kind
of
forgiving
it,
for
only
for
this
group.
D
I
I
counsel
a
woman
whistle
I
I
believe
it
is
hypothetically
possible.
I
I
we've
only
had
about
30
seconds
now
to
think
about
that
grant
proposal.
So,
oh
my
friend
we
would.
We
would
have
to
ensure
that
there
is
sufficient
statutory
authority
to
authorize
a
grant
in
this
case
now,
council
has
the
ability
to
issue
grants
for
a
variety
of
reasons.
We
would
just
need
to
have
a
council
action
approving
the
grant
and
base
that
upon
an
authorization
provided
under
state
law
which
allows
us
to
do
that
type
of
grant.
D
For
instance,
perhaps
this
is
a
community
development
grant
or
an
economic
development
grant.
Those
things
are
out
there
I
would
suggest.
Perhaps
an
economic
development
grant
is
the
way
to
go.
That
type
of
grant
does
require
a
public
hearing.
I
do
believe
so
again.
This
may
be
something
that
will
require
a
second
council
meeting
in
order
to
finalize
a
two-step
process
in
order
to
satisfy
the
public
hearing,
because
that
would
have
to
be
noticed
as
well.
A
F
D
I
I
might
suggest
that,
if
it
is,
I
I
think
you
have
two
options
here.
You
can
continue
to
approve
the
lease
under
the
terms
previously
noticed
and
then
amend
that
in
30
days
you
can
amend
it
along
with
a
potential
grant
which
could
be
noticed
as
well
for
a
public
hearing
which
would
then
provide
a
grant
for
essentially
that
first
30
days
or
so
worth
of
rent.
That
may
be
the
easiest
way
to
accomplish
what
you're
doing
so.
D
C
Well,
it
sounds
like
so
I
highlight
that
I
know
this.
We
reviewed
this
in
ped
last
week
and
they're
pending
this
vote
tonight.
There
could
be
an
event
as
early
as
this
weekend,
so
we
don't
want
necessarily
to
delay
so
I'm
hearing,
maybe
a
motion
to
approve
the
lease,
as
is
with
an
intent
from
this
council,
to
return
potentially
next
month
to
review
an
amendment
to
said
lease
or
a
grant.
D
I
I
believe
that
you
did,
and
we
are
I'm
I'm
getting
word
right
now
that
we
do
have
a
tenant
wanting
to
initiate
the
lease.
So
I
believe
that
this
will
allow
that
to
move
forward
again,
the
motion
being
that
you
are
approving
it
based
upon
the
terms
previously
advertised.
So
we
don't
delay
that
with
the
intent
to
go
ahead
and
pursue
scheduling
a
grant
hearing,
as
well
as
a
subsequent.
E
A
Okay:
okay,
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
out
there,
anybody
else
wishing
to
speak
on
this
before
I
do.
A
roll
call
vote
on
this
motion.
A
Okay,
I'm
okay,
ready;
okay,
I'm
gonna
use
the
same
roll
call
vote
because
it's
in
my
script
here:
councilwoman
roney,
hi,
councilwoman,
turner,
hi,
councilwoman,
whistler,
aye
myself.
I
vice
mayor
smith,.
I
I
A
Councilwoman
mosley
aye,
okay,
thank
you
and
thanks
to
everyone
who
attended
the
consent
agenda
portion
of
this
meeting,
okay,
we
normally
would
move
on
to
presentations,
but
we
don't
have
any
presentations
for
this
evening
and
next
we
were
going
to
have
a
public
hearing,
but
we
need
a
motion
to
continue.
A
D
I
think
we
have
a
motion
from
councilwoman
turner
and
council
person
roni.
You
may
be
the
second
on
that.
If
you're
willing.
K
A
All
right,
I'm
gonna,
do
a
roll
call
vote.
Councilwoman
turner,
aye,
councilwoman
whistler.
I
myself,
I
vice
mayor
smith,
hi
councilwoman,
kilgore,
hi,
councilwoman,
mosley,
hi,
councilwoman,
rony,
hi.
Okay,
thank
you
cruising
right
along
here.
We
do
not
have
any
items
of
unfinished
business
on
our
agenda
and
we
do
not
have
any
items
of.
Oh
I'm
sorry.
We
have
three
items
of
new
business.
Sorry,
let's
read
there
new
business
item.
L
Good
evening,
everybody
paul
d'angelo
here
with
community
and
economic
development,
I'm
here
to
talk
tonight
about
an
mho
loan
modification
and
approval
of
mountain
housing
opportunities
request
to
extend
the
maturity
date
of
their
housing.
Trust
fund
loan
for
compton
place
from
december
7
2021
to
december
7.
2031
reduce
the
interest
rate
from
2.25
to
0
and
modify
the
loan
payments
to
annual
principal
only
payments
of
approximately
4
thousand
dollars,
with
a
balloon
payment
of
approximately
100
000
in
december
of
2031..
L
L
Mho
received
a
housing
trust
fund
loan
in
the
amount
of
140
000
in
december
of
2001
for
40,
affordable
rental
units
for
low-income
senior
citizens
on
a
lidahem
road.
This
project
currently
serves
seniors,
55
and
older,
and
those
who
earn
between
50
and
60
of
the
area,
median
income
or
ami
project
was
completed
in
march
of
2003.
L
For
the
promissory
note,
the
principal
amount
was
deferred
until
december
of
2021,
with
annual
interest
payments
of
just
over
three
thousand
dollars.
Each
year.
To
date,
approximately
53
000
of
interest
has
been
paid
on
this
loan
per
mho
compton
places.
Cash
flow
does
not
support
a
loan
large
enough
to
pay
off
this
loan
and
other
debts.
Mho
intends
to
bundle
compton
place
with
other
older
properties,
submit
them
for
an
allocation
of
four
percent
tax
credits,
non-competitive
with
the
north
carolina
housing,
finance
agency
and
chfa,
and
complete
a
moderate
level
rehab
of
the
property.
L
This
would
involve
restructuring
the
financing
and
paying
off
of
existing
debt
on
other
loans,
such
as
this
one
community
and
economic
development.
Attempts
to
work
with
our
development
departments
who
wish
to
extend
their
affordability
periods,
add
additional
affordable
units,
improve
cash
flow
to
reserve
reserves
or
improve
properties,
meets
the
council
goal
of
quality,
affordable
housing
and
has
been
with
committee.
L
Several
pros
mentioned
here
that
works
out
for
mho
and
for
community
development
in
preserving
affordable
units
for
an
additional
10
years.
We
preserve
our
housing
trust
fund
dollars.
The
loan
is
not
being
forgiven
just
extended,
and
the
city
has
received
interest
payments
for
the
last
20
years.
In
the
future
there
will
be
no
interest
payments,
but
instead
will
receive
annual
principal
only
payments
of
nearly
four
thousand
dollars
and
a
one-time
payment
of
approximately
one
hundred
thousand
dollars
of
balloon
payment
december
of
2031.
L
no
cons,
noted
and
a
fiscal
impact.
This
has
to
do
with
housing
trust
fund
dollars
and
will
receive
that
balloon
payment
in
december
of
2031.,
and
with
that
you
all
have
a
suggested
motion.
I'm
happy
to
take
any
questions,
and
james
dennis
with
mho,
is
here
tonight
as
well.
To
answer
questions.
Thank
you.
F
Paul
this
is
gwen
have
is,
is
it
part
of
the
city's
job
or
you
know
when
you
were
kind
of
doing
the
due
diligence
on
this?
Did
you
look
at
the
proposed
financing
package?
That's
good!
That
mho
is
planning
to
take
to
get
the
refinancing.
I
mean
I
guess
my
question
is:
is
how
reasonable
is
it
that
mho
is
going
to
be
able
to
pay
the
the
capital
back
in
10
years?
F
Given
the
fact
that
in
the
first,
whatever
10
years,
they've
been,
you
know
they
don't
feel
like
the
cash
flow?
It's
gonna
work
for
compton
place.
L
I
think
right
now,
working
with
the
north
carolina
housing
finance
agency
and
with
the
tax
credits
as
well
as
kind
of
the
low
interest
rate
market.
That's
out
there
right
now.
I
think
that
cash
flow
is
always
a
struggle
for
affordable
units,
but
I
think
this
restructuring,
as
they
did
similar
back
in
the
spring,
sets
them
up
for
not
only.
I
would
not
to
speak
for
them,
but
better
consistent
cash
flow,
but
also
the
opportunity
to
do
that
rehab.
L
So
we
feel
relatively
confident
that
it
stabilizes
the
property
for
an
additional
10
years
and
hopefully
through
the
restructuring,
will
be
managed
to
be
paid
back
in
full
in
2031,
but
to
repeat
it's
often
difficult
with
affordable
units
and
there's
limited
rents.
Cash
flow
reserves
can
be
tough,
sometimes.
J
Okay,
I
moved
to
approve
mho's
request
to
extend
the
maturity
date
of
its
housing.
Trust
loan
for
compton
place
from
december
2021
to
december
2030.
One
reduced
the
interest
payment
from
two
five
percent
to
zero
percent
and
modify
the
loan
payments
to
annual
principal.
Only
payments
of
three
thousand
nine
hundred
sixty
two
dollars
with
a
balloon
payment
of
one
hundred
thousand
three
hundred
and
eighty
dollars.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
I'm
going
to
do
a
roll
call,
but
councilwoman
whistler.
I
myself,
I
vice
mayor
smith,.
B
I
A
Councilwoman
mosley
aye
councilwoman,
rony,
aye
and
councilwoman
turner
hi.
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Paul
just
stay
right
where
you
are
because
you're
right
here
on
the
next
one,
so
next
business
new
business
item
b.
This
is
consideration
of
a
resolution
amending
a
grant
agreement
with
haywood
street
community
development
for
additional
due
diligence
costs
in
their
pursuit
of
the
development
of
approximately
42
permanently
affordable,
affordable
rental
homes,
again
community
development
program
director,
paul
d'angelo,
will
present
this
item.
L
Good
evening,
mayor
city,
council,
again
city
management,
paul
d'angelo,
with
community
and
economic
development,
I
removed
the
halo
from
behind
me
and
I'm
here
tonight
to
talk
about
the
haywood
street
congregation
grant
agreement.
L
L
Haywood
street
community
development
has
proposed
a
development
of
approximately
42
affordable
units
with
the
potential
for
additional
community
commercial
space
on
a
0.83
acre
parcel
located
on
west
haywood
street
haywood
street
congregation
is
an
urban
ministry
with
its
spain
headquarters
located
at
297
haywood
street,
with
several
core
programs
that
are
assisting
individuals
and
families
experiencing
homelessness.
L
Hscd
is
partnering,
with
ward
griffin
of
grace
construction,
a
local
development
firm
with
over
80
years
of
development
experience
and
austin
tyler
and
dewey
property
advisors
to
purchase,
develop
and
construct
this
project,
while
hcd
has
been
serving
the
homeless
community
for
quite
some
time.
This
is
their
first
effort
towards
development
in
the
development
of
permanent
or
supportive
housing
and
affordability.
L
Hscd
hopes
to
construct
this
development
in
a
single
building
again
with
approximately
42
units
to
be
permanently
affordable
for
individuals
and
families
below
80
percent
of
the
area.
Immediate
income,
with
a
goal
of
at
least
half
of
those
units,
approximately
20
to
22
serving
individuals
or
families
at
a
below
30
percent
of
the
area
needed
income
with
some
community
commercial
space.
L
Last
year,
the
city
was
working
on
an
agreement
to
sell
city
owned
property
located
on
ashland
avenue
to
hscd
for
this
affordable
housing
development
and
they
incurred
cost
and
due
diligence
and
design
and
anticipation
of
being
able
to
purchase
that
property
in
a
partnership
with
the
city.
However,
after
significant
input
from
the
community,
it
was
determined
that
that
was
not
an
appropriate
site
for
development
at
the
time
due
to
the
affirmation
reason
as
well
as
due
to
the
need
for
this
type
of
affordable
housing
proposed.
L
The
city
is
exploring
a
partnership
with
hscd
to
develop
this
project
on
site,
and
it's
committed
one
thousand
dollars
in
due
diligence
funding
in
the
form
of
a
grant
agreement.
Some
of
that
for
earnest
money,
as
well
as
due
diligence
for
investigations,
surveys,
environmental
assessments,
etc.
L
Agreement
also
states
that
hscd
and
the
city
shall
work
towards
a
goal
of
additional
grant,
an
additional
grant
agreement
ensuring
comprehensive
opportunities,
including
the
purchase
of
the
site,
as
well
as
construction
of
the
development
with
the
property
now
under
contract
hscd
is
asking
for
an
amendment
to
their
original
grant
agreement
of
71
000
and
adding
an
additional
225
000
in
grant
funding
to
pursue
to
pursue
those
additional
investigations
and
due
diligence
on
the
site
where
we'd
be
using
affordable
housing
bond
dollars.
L
For
this
grant,
this
grant
agreement.
Hscd
reserves
the
right
to
return
to
the
city
for
additional
grant
agreement,
funding
to
include
the
purchase
of
the
site
and
construction
and
development.
As
mentioned,
if
due
diligence
items
point
towards
a
successful
development,
additional
eligible
projects
costs
could
include
infrastructure,
abatement,
demolition,
water,
fire,
electrical,
etc
and
other
infrastructure
improvements.
L
This
went
to
a
committee
achieves
council
goals
of
quality,
affordable
housing,
equitable
and
diverse
community,
and
a
well-planned
and
livable
community
some
pros
the
approval
here
allows
the
developer
to
continue
this
due
diligence
work.
The
city
would
gain
42,
give
or
take
new
permanently
affordable
housing
units
under
80
ami
again,
with
a
goal
of
half
of
those
being
under
30
of
the
area.
Median
income
and
this
development
aligns
with
the
city
of
asheville's,
consolidated
plan
goals
of
prioritizing
development
of
affordable
rental
housing
to
individuals
and
families
at
or
below
60
ami
con.
L
That
was
noted.
His
funds
are
granted
towards
a
parcel
that
may
not
be
purchased
and
a
project
that
may
not
be
constructed,
and
this
would
right
now
show
a
fiscal
impact
of
296
thousand
dollars
from
the
general
obligation
bond
program
and
those
affordable
housing
bond
dollars.
The
suggested
motion
is
in
front
of
you.
We
also
have
the
developers
here
this
evening,
brian
combs
and
ward
griffin,
as
well
as
nikki
reed,
our
interim
community
and
economic
development
director
to
answer
any
questions.
F
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
If,
if
this
project
doesn't
go
through
and
in
effect,
the
city
would
have
spent
200-
and
I
don't
know,
90
thousand
dollars.
F
Is
that
going
to
cause
a
problem
with
the
bond
monies?
You
know
because
you
you're
not
really
supposed
to
be
well,
I
mean,
I
guess
what
happens
with
the
bond
monies
if,
if
basically
it
doesn't
go
through,
do
we
have
to
reimburse
the
bond
funds
with
with
general
funds.
L
And
so
I
know
I
can
say
quickly
that
due
diligence
bond
funding
was
used
at
the
319
biltmore
avenue.
N
D
Thanks
paul
yeah,
councilwoman
whistler,
I
think,
as
paul
said.
First
of
all,
this
is
an
allowable
expenditure
to
to
start
from
the
bond
funds.
I
I
do
not
believe
that
a
failure
to
result
in
actual
housing
is
necessarily
a
requirement
for
you
to
then
reimburse
the
bond
funds.
D
This
is
something
that
we
may
have
to
go
back
and
and
verify
specifically,
but
I
feel
fairly
comfortable
tonight
saying
that
it
would
probably
not
place
upon
the
city
the
obligation
to
reimburse
those
funds
if
it
did
not
end
up
resulting
in
affordable
housing
being
constructed.
The
goal
of
the
bond
funds
is
to
work
towards
the
ends
of
creating
affordable
housing
and
because
due
diligence
is
part
of
that,
due
diligence
not
always
does
not
always
result
in
the
actual
construction
of
affordable
housing.
So
I
do
not
believe
this
would
result
in
that
obligation.
F
F
However,
I
and
so,
however,
I
asked
previously
how
much
money
haywood
street
hscd
spent
on
the
ashland
property,
and
it
is
my
understanding
that
they
only
they
spent
fifty
thousand
dollars
in
you
know
real
cash
and
received
received
approximately
or
more
than
fifty
thousand
dollars
in
in-kind
contributions,
and
so
how
does
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
equate
to
three
hundred
thousand
in?
You
know,
from
kind
of
a
payback
perspective,
and
was
there
an
idea
that,
under
the
ashland
project
that
we
were
gonna,
make
this
kind
of
an
investment.
L
So
paul
here
so
with
working
with
haywood
street
for
over
a
year
on
that
ashland
avenue
project
in
partnership
and
hoping
with
that
opportunity
for
affordable
housing
in
that
location,
we
did
recognize
that
there
was
a
lot
of
partnership
work
put
in
that
not
just
the
funding,
as
you
mentioned,
but
also
that
time
over
that
year
period.
L
So
when
haywood
straight
approached
us
about
this
additional
project,
we
thought
it
was
an
opportunity
to
explore
this
affordable
housing
opportunity
with
the
haywood
street
congregation
and
their
new
development
team
here,
so
that
we
could
find
a
way
to
possibly
in
partnership
kind
of
utilize
that
the
work
that
was
done
previously
and
how
could
we
switch
it
to
a
different
parcel?
L
I
think,
on
the
community
economic
development
side
we're
not
necessarily
looking
at
a
type
of
an
apple
to
apple
equation
there,
but
we
are
looking
at
the
partnership
opportunity
that
haywood
streets
brought
to
the
table
for
additional,
affordable
housing
for
the
community.
Okay,.
F
And
at
the
end
of
this
you
know
when,
if,
if
the
city
you
know
approves
this,
I
I
noted
that
the
agreement
isn't
going
to
require
that
the
funding
be
in
place,
and
I
it's
my
understanding
that
this
is
gonna
cost
between
eight
and
ten
million
dollars,
which
I
you
know
it
would
be
nice.
I
mean
that
was
what
was
in
the
paper
and
it's
not
clear
to
me
how
I,
if
I
did
my
math
right,
nikki,
wrote
back
and
and
estimates
that
it's
going
to
cost
8.3
million
dollars.
F
I
do
note
that
they
have
applied
to
the
county
for
2
million
and
they've
yet
to
apply
to
the
city,
and
dogwood
apparently
has
given
them
some
sort
of
verbal
commitment
for
two
million
dollars
which,
without
the
county
without
the
county,
that's
a
that's
a
gap
of
6.3
million
dollars.
F
But
yet
I
guess
my
question
is:
is:
is
it
premature
for
the
city
to
be
committing
to
these
kind
of
funds
with
with
such
a
large
gap
in
the
funding?
And
I,
and
maybe
the
answer
is
chick-
is
chicken
in
the
egg.
But
I
guess
I'd
like
to
understand
that.
L
So
a
councilwoman
whistler.
I
think
that
that
might
be
a
question
regarding
that
funding,
because
brian
combs
and
ward
griffin
are
here
to
represent
the
development,
and
I
think
they
would
like
to
speak
for
a
few
minutes
and
talk
about
those
funding
sources
and
I
think
they'll
be
able
to
answer
some
of
those
questions
for
you
to
begin
with,
and
so
if
brian
combs
is
or
ward
griffin
are
available,.
A
Paul
before
we
turn
it
over
to
them
just
want
to
make
sure
no
one
else
has
any
questions
for
paul,
because
I
think
there
are
a
bunch
of
questions
that
we'll
probably
get
into
with
with
pastor
comes
and
with
ward
who
I
can't
see
on
my
screen
yet,
but
any
other
questions
for
paul
before
we
start
moving
over
here
to
the
applicant
okay.
F
G
F
A
O
And
I
think
I
think
what
what
we
are
recognizing
and
and
you'll
note
councilwoman
whistler.
This
was
noted
as
a
con
in
the
report,
because
it
does
reflect
the
fact
that
there
is
risk
associated
with
these
dollars.
So
that
is
absolutely
the
case
and
you're
highlighting
that
in
your
comments,
certainly-
and
so
what
we
understand
again
is
that
haywood
street
has
applied
for
vertical
construction
funding
with
buncombe
county
through
their
arp
process.
O
They
have
been
working
with
dogwood
for
quite
some
time
and
has
had
confirmation
from
dogwood
concerning
those
investments
from
dogwood
on
the
order
of
around
2
million.
So
both
of
those
points
that
paul
made
prior
to
that
are
correct.
I
do
think
it's
a
it's
a
valid
point
that
these
are
at
risk
because,
as
we
realize
as
we
look
at
development
projects,
there
are
some
developments
that
do
come
to
fruition
and
some
that
don't
there's
still
quite
a
ways
to
go.
O
But
this
is
certainly
the
landscape
that
we
find
ourselves
with
funding,
affordable
housing.
I
think,
with
haywood
street
the
fact
that
we
are
seeing
this
this
group
want
to
pursue
a
permanent
and
deeply
affordable
housing.
A
project
there
really
brings
this
proposal
to
a
new
opportunity
for
funding.
So
basically
we
look
at
extending
risk
to
groups
that
are
willing
to
stretch
to
meet
council's
goals
and,
in
this
case,
haywood
street
has
aligned
themselves
with
council
goals
on
how
to
produce
those.
O
It's
getting
harder
right
to
really
find
that
opportunity
to
make
these
deals
work
for
deeply
affordable,
permanent
housing,
which
is
why
you're
seeing
that
reflected
in
the
level
of
risk
that
staff
is
proposing
here
and
so
relative
to
their
construction
funding.
We
understand
that
they
have
those
grant
sources
in
the
works,
but
as
well
as
other
financing.
O
I
O
How
they're
hoping
to
seek
the
build
so
happy
to
answer
any
follow-up
on
that,
so.
F
Just
a
quick
question,
nikki
and-
and
I
appreciate
this-
and
I
really
want
this
project
to
happen.
Nice
there's
no
doubt
in
my
mind,
but
I
mean
I
think
it's
great,
but
do
we
have
any
other
circumstances
where
we've
committed
this
or
funds
I
mean
you
know
we
clearly
already
are
in
for
71
000,
but
this
level
of
funds
for
any
other
project
at
this
early
stage
in
in
the
development.
O
I
think
in
our
experience
we
have
done
it
certainly
for
city-owned
properties,
so
we
have
spent
this
kind
of
funding
on
pursuit
costs
where
we
are
looking
at
our
own
properties
for
development,
319
biltmore.
We
also
looked
at
the
south
charlotte
street
properties
as
well
as
the
riverside
properties,
so
we
have
done
that
for
city-owned
properties,
but
not
in
partnership.
O
L
And
I'm
gonna
add
quickly
to
that
nikki.
If
it's
okay,
just
in.
If
you
all
remember
with
one
of
the
things
when
we,
we
really
did
a
regional
tour
of
developers
to
try
to
gauge
what
they're,
looking
for
in
partnership
with
the
city
of
of
asheville,
that
due
diligence
on
a
site
that
pad
readiness
of
the
site
to
make
sure
that
the
site
is
clear
and
ready
for
build
is,
is
one
of
the
great
things
the
city
can
do
in
partnership
to
develop.
L
It
are
to
have
the
due
diligence
be
done
to
where
it's
a
pad
ready
site.
So
that
is
something
that,
in
that
poor
developers
and
we've
noted
in
our
policies
of
trying
to
have
something
that
is
working
in
partnership
with
pad
readiness
and
due
diligence.
A
K
So
I
have
two
questions
here.
One
is
just
a
general
consideration,
so
I
feel
like
this
is
another
opportunity
where,
instead
of
just
a
financial
assessment,
if
we
had
an
equity
assessment
and
a
sustainability
assessment
in
each
one
of
our
staff
reports,
then
it
would
give
us
an
opportunity
to
balance
what
is
the
cost
of
not
entering
into
this
partnership
and
then
the
second
part
is.
K
I
still
have
an
outstanding
question
from
our
arpa
fund
work
session
and
that
same
council
meeting
when
we
made
a
decision
to
use
1.6
million
dollars
in
arpa
funds
to
replace
our
parking
fees,
and
the
question
was:
how
much
money
do
we
currently
have
in
our
general
fund
balance
and
to
add
to
that
question?
So
I
still
don't
know
how
much
money
we
have
in
our
general
fund
balance.
K
But
the
second
part
is
it's
my
understanding
that
our
sales
tax
revenue
is
even
greater
than
anticipated
and
we
did
raise
property
taxes
during
a
pandemic.
So
it
would
help
me
if
I'm
looking
at
the
the
whole
value.
What
is
the
cost
of
not
doing
it?
Why
not
ending
or
into
partnership,
and
then
also
do
we
have
additional
funds
available
that
we
can
replace
the
bond
funds
if
this
doesn't
go
fully
through
the
due
diligence.
A
Okay,
those
we
don't
have
our
finance
director,
I'm
here
to
talk
about
the
the
answer
to
your
question
about
the
gen.
The
fund
balance
for
the
general
fund.
K
And
that
does
still
very
much
concerned
me,
so
I
do
think
that
we
deserved.
The
public
deserves
to
have
a
understanding
of
how
much
money
we
have
in
the
bank
and
the
fact
that
we
don't
have
that
answers
a
problem.
Well,.
A
A
But
we
know
that
it's
that
it's
one
of
council
goals
to
keep
it
at
at
around
15
and
that
we
did
that
when
we
adopted
the
budget
with
that
aim
in
mind.
So
I
want
to
make
sure
sage,
councilwoman
turner.
You
raised
your
hand
to
go
ahead.
I
C
Sorry,
I've
got
the
phone
mute
thing
going
on.
Just
the
councilwoman
was
there's
points
you
know.
I
I
think
I've
also
raised
these
questions
in
the
recent
hcd
meeting.
Is
there
a
precedent
for
this
and
I'm
reflecting
on
this
conversation
about
you
know
what
it
is.
C
We
are
using
bond
money
for
and
how
we're
investing
in
affordability
and
where
and
in
which
capacities
and
I'm
thinking
back
in
just
the
last
few
transactions
I
can
think
of
where
we
use
bond
funds
in
a
kind
of
a
last
minute
change
over
at
lee
walker
heights
and
319
biltmore
we
took,
I
think
it
was
1.9
million
dollars
to
do
some
road
work.
So
we
put
in
that
which
is
a
road
work.
C
I
think
we
used
275
000
of
bond
money
to
work
with
the
firm
over
about
nine
months
that
helped
us
develop
an
affordable
housing,
performa
tool
right.
I
think
that
was
about
the
range
of
the
money
and
every
two
years,
or
so
we
invest
about
a
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars
that
might
be
off
on
that
number.
C
I'm
thinking
that's
right
in
updating
a
housing
study
that
tells
us
what
our
housing
needs
are
and
where
our
vacancies
are
and
our
ratios
are
and
as
much
as
I
love
that
study
and
depend
on
that
study
for
making
decisions,
we
can't
take
much
from
it
and
act
real
quickly.
So
here
in
front
of
us,
we
have
this
opportunity
that
I
think
is
really
rare
and
that
we
might
be
saying
for
once.
Okay,
let's
not,
invest
the
money
in
another
study
to
tell
us
how
much
we
need.
C
Let's
invest
the
money
in
a
process
in
a
project
that
could
come
to
fruition
and
build
the
housing
that
we
know
we
already
need.
So
for
that
reason,
I'm
kind
of
I
understand
we're
taking
a
risk,
but
for
me
it's
an
okay
risk.
I
think
this
particular
situation
is
unique.
You
know
with
council
is
doing
some
really
interesting
things.
C
I
didn't
know
this
at
the
time
of
their
contract
and
when,
if
they
withdrew
from
that
site,
it
immediately
put
the
land
back
in
the
moratorium.
So
in
some
ways
they
did
us
a
favor
that
we
were
all
saying.
You
know
we're
concerned
about
the
use
of
this
land,
so
this
is
a.
This
is
a
unique
situation
for
sure.
I
don't
think
we're
going
to
have
precedent
for
this.
C
A
C
A
I'm
just
around
that
course.
That's
a
failure
in
our
part
to
explain
why
we
have
to
do
those
studies
in
order
to
qualify
for
certain
whether
it's
federal
or
state,
funding
or
grant
opportunities.
I
mean
that's
just
a
failing
on
our
part
to
explain
why
you
have
to
have
that
data
to
support
those
types
of
applications.
A
C
Oh
gosh,
I
would
not
that's
not
at
all
what
I'm
implying.
We
absolutely
need
the
studies.
If
that's
what
you
heard
I
apologize,
we
do
need
the
studies
and
I
tend
to
fight
for
them
every
time
they
come
up
in
a
budget
round
because
they
keep
us
updated
and
informed.
I'm
just
saying
that
we
do
often
hear
from
the
community
that
you
know.
Why
are
we
investing
in
more
studies,
and
I
think
this
is
just
one
of
those
opportunities
where
we
can
invest
in
the
option
to
have
the
housing
instead.
A
So
I
mean
I,
you
know,
I
think
that
what's
giving
me
a
little
bit
of
heartburn
here
is
we
do
have
a
lot.
This
is
a
valuable
project.
We
have
asked
community
partners
to
step
up
and
help
serve
the
community,
especially
in
servicing
the
population
that
is
intended
to
be
served
by
this
project,
so
that
you
know
I
I
have
a
real.
I
I
you
know
for
me,
it's
difficult
to
say,
wait.
I
have
questions.
A
I
have
concerns
about
a
project
when
we
have
asked
the
community
to
step
up
and
deliver
this
particular
product,
but
on
the
other
hand,
we
have,
you
know
homeward
bound
abccm
with
helpmate
folks
that
are
doing
significant
projects
to
serve
people
through
housing,
but
they
haven't
come
to
us
for
due
diligence,
money
they're
doing
all
those
they
do
they're
coming
to
us
once
that
project
is
a
go
and
it
is
time
to
provide
the
capital.
So
I
think
the
concern
here
is
that
we're
at
the
the
stage
before
that
we're
at
the
due
diligence
stage.
A
There
is
a
chance.
This
project
won't
happen
and
this
money
will
be
not
recoverable.
So
you
know
the
county
is
not
putting
forward
any
due
diligence
money.
The
county
commissioners,
don't
seem
to
feel
that
they
are
in
a
place
where
they
think
it's
worth
investing
in.
I
understand
their
affordable
housing
committee
is
concerned
about
the
per
unit
cost
of
this
project.
So
you
know
I
I
we
have
a
special
relationship.
A
You
know
normally
we
we
wouldn't
necessarily-
and
especially
I
mean
and
no
offensity
to
the
applicants,
especially
with
a
group
that
has
never
done
it
before
right.
I
mean
there's
an
even
kind
of
greater
unknown
and
sort
of
level
of
risk
with
that.
But
again,
this
is
problematic
because
we're
asking
folks
in
our
community
who
that
have
never
done
this
before
to
start
doing
it
and
do
it
meaningfully
and
and
in
well
frankly,
in
the
way
that's
being
presented
here
so
that
you
know
that's
what
that's
what
I'm
struggling
with
this
is
real
dollars.
A
But
I
see
pastor
combs
on
my
screen.
I
know
the
general
public
doesn't
so
I,
if
maybe
we
ought
to
give
him
a
chance
to
say
some
things
and
we
do
have
we
we
just
so
folks
know
we.
There
were
a
number
of
questions
posed
to
staff
about
this
project
before
this
meeting
and
the
staff
gave
us
a
whole
bunch
of
responses,
but
there
were
some
things
they
weren't
able
to
respond
to
that
we
will
be
asking.
N
Thank
you
all
for
the
opportunity
to
present
tonight.
I
want
to
begin
with
what
our
proposal
is.
Not
you
all
are
intimately
aware
of
the
ramada
inn,
something
we
support
deeply.
This
is
not
a
low
barrier
shelter,
nor
is
it
the
homer
bound
days
in
project
permanent
supportive
housing,
nor
is
it
another
a-hope
a
homeless
day
center.
Instead,
what
we're
proposing
is
45,
deeply
affordable,
permanent
apartments.
It's
intended
for
single
mothers
with
children
and
adults.
N
N
It's
a
mixed
income
development
23
the
homes
are
at
30
percent
area,
median
income.
That's
folks,
making
up
to
15
dollars
a
year.
Those
would
all
be
housing
choice,
voucher
residents,
nine
of
the
homes
would
be
at
sixty
percent
ami
people
making
up
to
thirty
thousand
think
home
health
aid
worker.
N
Thirteen
of
the
homes
would
be
at
eighty
percent
ami,
the
bottom
end
of
workforce
people
making
up
to
forty
two
thousand
dollars.
I
think
someone
like
a
delivery
truck
driver.
N
N
Tonight's
vote
would
allow
architecture
to
move
forward
with
schematic
drawings,
3d,
modeling
engineering
could
work
on
storm
water
erosion
and
sewer
underwriting
could
offer
a
more
accurate
pro
forma
so
that
we
could
bid
out
the
contract
and
get
you
an
exact
number
of
what
that
per
door.
Cost
is
and
then
of
course,
we
could
move
through
technical
review
and
permitting
we've
been
asked
a
number
of
questions
over
our
months
of
due
diligence,
and
I
want
to
address
some
of
those
and
answer
any
other
questions.
N
The
reasons
are
obvious:
the
margins
are
low,
the
risk
tolerances
are
high
and
you've
got
to
be
called
to
the
work
because
it's
simply
too
arduous.
Otherwise,
the
congregation
formed
community
development
for
this
express
purpose.
Community
development
is
independent.
It's
legally
separate,
however.
The
two
non-profits
are
are
connected
in
some
meaningful
ways
to
ensure
that
our
commitment
to
deeply
affordable
housing
is
never
minimized.
N
N
N
Our
proposal
tonight
is
different
from
the
congregation.
In
this
way,
haywood
street
congregation
is
called
to
the
furthest
margins
of
ministry.
We
prefer
relationship
over
rules.
We
welcome
people
without
condition
many
on
their
worst
days.
Psychotic
intoxicated
traumatized
disenfranchised
recently
incarcerated
sex
offender.
N
Instead,
we're
trying
to
say
yes
to
to
folks
who
are
on
disability
that
have
a
voucher
in
hand,
but
no
landlord
fast
food
worker
staying
with
an
abusive
ex
who
can't
leave
because
they
don't
have
anywhere
else
to
sleep.
The
elementary
school
teacher
with
a
master's
degree
who
has
to
commute
in
from
sandy
mush
haywood
street
congregation
and
community
development,
are
called
in
this
instance
to
serve
two
different
demographics
in
terms
of
voucher
holders.
N
N
We
intend
to
reach
out
to
applicants
of
color
in
a
number
of
different
ways,
we'll
lean
on
our
relationships
with
the
interdenominational
ministerial
alliance.
The
racial
justice
coalition
seek
guidance
from
staff
and
board
members
who
are
of
color
advertising.
Many
of
the
black
churches
that
we
already
partner
with
in
terms
of
how
we
keep
the
property
safe.
What
we
have
learned
in
our
years
is
that
the
focus
needs
to
be
more
on
visitors
rather
than
the
residents
it's
people
who
invite
themselves
in
that
typically
create
the
most
struggle.
N
We
would
add,
cameras,
key
fob,
entrances
and
close
stairwells
have
a
resident
policing
program
set
up
and
then
a
safety
plan
with
apd
property
management,
of
course,
is
the
most
insignificant
way
that
you
address
all
matters
of
safety
and,
while
not
official,
we
have
had
significant
conversations
with
gibbons.
Many
of
you
know:
they're
a
united
methodist
senior
housing
group
and
they
have
a
specialty
in
hud
housing.
N
N
A
number
of
you
have
asked
about
our
community
space.
That
would
be
three
thousand
square
feet
on
the
ground
floor
for
resident
enrichment
and
connecting
with
area
neighbors.
This
is
a
place
where
activities
would
happen
on
a
daily
basis.
Things
like
potlucks
exercise
classes,
support
groups.
What
would.
N
There
is
direct
services
and
then,
finally,
when
it
comes
to
our
neighborhood
engagement
over
the
past
few
months,
we
have
attended
the
september
weekend
monthly
meeting
and
invited
one
of
weekend
members
to
join
our
board.
We've
held
a
public
meeting
as
part
of
our
trc
application
process.
We've
had
over
75
communications
with
neighbors.
N
We
created
a
transparency
tracker
on
our
website
with
all
updates
about
housing,
including
a
question
and
answer
sheet
with
over
65
responses,
and
then
we've
had
a
number
of
letters
of
endorsement
from
over
20
weekend,
neighbors,
multiple
non-profits
and
justice
groups,
and
we
believe
that
neighborhood
engagement
is
a
it's
an
indefinite
process.
It's
not
something
that
ends
once
vertical
construction
is
over,
and
I
want
to
address
the
question
about
the
capital
stack
and
I'll
pivot
toward
to
give
you
some
specifics
about
that.
P
So
yes,
hi
thanks
for
having
us
again,
I'm
ward
griffin
and
in
terms
of
the
capital
stack
that
we've
come
up
with
it's
largely
dictated
by
the
amount
of
debt
that
the
project
can
carry
once
it's
stabilized.
So
we're
approaching
this
with
anticipation
of
refinancing
the
project
with
a
hud
loan
once
the
property's
stabilized
and
that's
all,
based
on
the
amount
of
income
that
it
produces
and
so
we've
sized
our
traditional
debt,
which
then
gets
taken
out
to
the
hud
debt.
Based
on
that
now.
P
Luckily,
even
though
we've
got
a
more
expensive
project
this
time
around
than
on
ashland
rents
have
increased
over
that
period
of
time.
Since
we
started
looking
at
that
project
as
well.
So
while
this
is
a
little
bit
more
expensive
project,
our
traditional
jet
debt
component
of
around
three
million
dollars
will
remain
the
same.
P
We're
talking
to
dogwood
for
two
million
dollars,
and
we've
applied
the
county
for
two
million
dollars
and
the
balance
of
that
coming
from
the
city
through
housing,
trust
fund
and
baylor
programs,
yet
to
be
determined.
So
that's.
F
Thank
you
so,
mr
griffin
question,
so
when
you're
putting
together
your
plan,
how
much
are
you
counting
on
from
the
city.
P
F
And
and
if
so,
if
my
math
is
right
and
if
you've
got
the
county
arpa
fund,
that
leaves
you
a
hole
of
1.8.
And
so
are
you
saying
that
that
would
I
mean
assuming
that
it's
going
to
cost
8.3
million?
F
I
don't
know
how
much
but
based
on
earlier
numbers
that
someone
gave
me
that
would
say:
there'd
be
a
1.8
million
gap
and
so
you're
saying
that
you
get
that
from
borrowing
and
what
what
happens
if
the
county
doesn't
come
through
with
the
two
two
million
and
the
city
doesn't
come
up
with
the
2.5.
P
So
I
mean
I
don't
really
know
how
to
answer
that
in
a
better
way.
The
reality
of
it
is
is
that
we
need
investments
from
all
the
partners
to
that
are
expressing
the
need
for
this
kind
of
project
to
pull
it
off.
So
you
know,
if
all
of
a
sudden
we
have
a
two
million
dollar
hole.
Then
then
that's
a
problem.
F
We're
making
the
the
bet
that
the
city
is
going
to
put
2.5
or
this
council
would
be
making
the
bet
that
the
city's
going
to
put
the
2.5
in
and
the
county's
going
to
put
the
2
million.
In
I
mean.
F
I
F
F
I
mean
because
that's
that's
been
a
comment
or
you
know,
for
lack
of
a
better
expression,
criticism
of
the
neighborhood
that
you
know
that
what
you
know
how
to
do
is
what
you
know:
how
to
do
with
the
church
and
is
it
gonna
be
managed
the
same
way
as
you
manage
the
church
outreach.
N
N
N
However,
one
stipulation
that's
worth
mentioning
is
we
have
an
eight
bed
respite
facility
on
campus
chronically
homeless
folks
coming
out
of
the
hospital
detox
psych
wards?
They
come
to
live
with,
sometimes
for
a
few
weeks.
Sometimes
it's
hospice
care
in
respite.
The
rules
of
ministry
are
very
different
than
what
happens
in
the
parking
lot.
For
example,
we
don't
have
visitors,
there's
no
drug
or
alcohol
use.
We
take
folks
to
their
appointments.
N
Respite
has
operated
for
seven
years
almost
entirely.
Without
incident,
so
we
actually
have
seven
years
24
hours
a
day,
365
days
a
year
of
experience
with
doing
the
kind
of
housing
we
want
to
do.
Affordable
housing
is
respite
writ
large,
instead
of
with
eight
beds,
it's
70
beds,
so
we've
got
a
lot
of
practice
at
doing
this
on
a
smaller
scale.
N
However,
it's
it's
correct
to
say
we
don't
have
experience
with
multi-family
development
ward.
Does
other
people
on
our
team
do
realizing
that
inexperience?
That's
why
we
want
to
partner
with
gibbons.
In
our
opinion,
they
are
the
best
of
the
best
you
go
to
gerber
village.
You
look
at
their
hud
housing.
You
walk
through
those
units,
they
are
impeccable.
We
have
lived
experience
with
lots
of
people
on
the
street
who
have
struggled
in
every
form
of
housing
until
they
got
to
givens
and
they
are
thriving.
M
I
have
a
question.
Thank
you
very
much
for
stud
poems
and
your
and
your
project.
I
I
definitely
see
how
it
definitely
can
provide
a
benefit,
a
needed
benefit
for
the
community,
because
one
thing
I
can
say
I
like
the
fact
that
it's
affordable
you
know
forever
and
that
in
itself
is
a
component
that
we're
not
seeing
and
not
taking
consideration
that
20
years
from
now,
we
may
find
ourselves
in
a
different
position
with
all
these
affordable
contracts
actually
expiring.
M
M
What
type
of
income
will
that
actually
produce
for
the
unit
to
be
able
to
take
care
of
loans
and
things
of
that
nature
and
maintenance
or
whatever,
and
and
taking
that
into
consideration
and
we're
looking
at
financing
instruments
that
can
be
expanded
out,
30-40
years
or
whatever,
so
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
it
may
be
a
better
way.
M
N
M
Does
anyone
look
at
those
kind
of
numbers
because
that's
a
woman.
M
Because,
even
though
you'll
be
doing
affordable
units,
but
a
lot
of
them
will
be
vouchers,
incentives
and
things
of
that
nature
that
will
also
bring
in
income.
So
I
was
just
wondering
what
does
those
numbers
look
like
as
far
as
you
know,
as
far
as
covering
your
debt
service
and
how
much
excess
and
things
of
that
nature.
N
P
Yeah,
so
thank
you
councilman.
So
the
current
union,
matrix
of
the
unit
mix
that
we
have
already
described
here
tonight,
is
going
to
generate
a
total
revenue
of
about
six
hundred
and
eleven
thousand
dollars
a
year,
and
so
our
pro
forma,
that
we
are
using
to
determine
what
that
net
operating
income.
P
So
we've
tried
to
go
to
a
great
length
to
make
sure
that
haywood
street
community
development
has
ample
money
to
not
only
maintain
the
building
in
the
in
the
near
term,
but
do
heavy
replacements
that
are
going
to
be
needed,
10,
15
and
20
years
out.
I
think
that
yeah,
that's
the
idea
that
the
building
itself
will
remain
affordable
in
perpetuity,
but
also
increase
in
value
over
time,
and
these
rents
increase
in
value
over
time
would.
P
K
So
we
talked
about
this
in
our
check-ins,
but
when
we're
looking
at
what
we're
actually
being
asked
to
do
tonight,
because
we'll
be
asked
to
do
to
make
a
different
decision
later
when
we're
talking
about
this
due
diligence
part,
I
brought
this
up
in
my
check-ins
and
I'd
like
to
see
if
we
could
get
an
answer
out
here
in
the
sunshine
is
if
this
project
doesn't
close,
and
we
have
information
from
the
due
diligence
process
by
the
city
participating
in
that
due
diligence.
Does
the
city
also
benefit
from
that
information?
A
A
M
Okay,
the
only
way,
I
think
that
due
diligence
costs,
some
of
it
can
be
absorbed,
is
because,
if
you
do,
if
the
land
is
developed
by
another
developer,
that
information
can
actually
be
sold
to
a
new
developer,
where
we
could
actually
make
some
of
the
money
back.
If
we
pretty
much
own
that
information,
because
that
would
save
them
a
lot
of
time
energy
and
you
could
put
a
price
on.
A
It's
something
yeah,
but
not
I
mean
not
the
specific
to
this
project
unless
they,
for
some
reason
wanted
to
build
the
identical
project,
which
seems
would
be
unlikely.
Yes,
okay,.
K
So
one
of
the
things
that's
been
coming
up
in
a
lot
of
the
input
from
community
members,
especially
from
neighbors,
is
a
concern
about
traffic,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
bring
to
the
public
narrative
that
from
this
project
it
is
point
two
miles
to
the
closest
bus
stops.
K
There
are
three
locations
where
you
can
get
public
transit
from
this
location.
It
takes
about
five
to
six
minutes
to
walk
there
according
to
google
maps
and
because
of
that
close
proximity
to
transit
is
20
minutes
or
less
to
get
to
the
grocery
store.
K
So
when
we're
looking
at
the
cost
of
transportation
going
hand
in
hand
with
the
affordability
of
housing,
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
had
a
a
real
look
at
what
how
close
this
is
to
resources,
and
that
said,
I
would
be
prepared
to
make
a
motion
once
we're
ready.
A
Okay,
I
did
want
to
I
I'm
just
looking
at
this
list
of
questions
that
came
up,
that
we
don't
that
we
need
to
look
at
a
little
bit
and
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
where
that
list
went
hold
on
one.
Second,
oh
here
we
go.
Okay,
it
and
I
don't
know,
pastor
comes
as
this
would
be
better
for
you
or
for
ward.
Let
me
just
try
this
out
and
see.
A
So
I
think
we
you
asked
about.
We
covered,
I'm
just
looking
at
this
list
of
questions
about
the
management
of
the
project,
and
you
talked
about
that
and
the
concerns
about
security
that
we're
hearing
from
the
neighborhood.
A
And
let
me
just
let
me
just
review
this
list
and
see
if
there's
anything
else
on
here,
there
was
a
question
about
what
kind
of
zoning
variances
would
be
required
and
it
looks
like
todd.
Oklahomi
is
going
to
provide
that
to
us
separately.
I
think
I
assume
he's
not
on
here.
F
I
F
Five,
pretty
large
zoning
variances
esther
height
and
things
like
that,
but
you've
got
it
in
your
emails.
Okay,.
A
Thank
you.
I
haven't
been
able
to
get
through
every
single
one
of
them
that
came
in
today
all
right.
I
think
that
I
think
that
about.
I
think
that
about
covers
it
for
in
terms
of
what
I'm
seeing
on
this
list,
oh
nikki's,
changing
it
right
now,
as
I
speak,
okay,
but
I
think
that
unless
anyone
else
has
any
other
questions,
I'm
going
to
recognize
councilman
rooney
for
a
motion.
F
Well,
before
we
take
a
vote,
I
just
you
know.
I
think
I
think,
by
making
this
vote,
we
also
at
some
level
are
basically
committing
to
the
two
point:
the
two
and
a
half
million
dollars
for
this
project.
You
know
assuming
that
it
goes
through
and
in
my
opinion,
we're
not
there
yet
and
if
we're
not,
if
we're
not
there
enough
to
go
ahead
and
commit
that
to
a
2.5
million
dollars,
I
don't
think
we
should
be
prepared
to
make
this
investment.
F
A
And
I
have
a
question
then,
on
that
you
know
I
I
in
in
working
with
our
partners
in
the
community
on
trying
to
co-fund
some
major
projects
that
we're
working
on
around
homelessness
and
other
issues,
I'm
finding
that
they
are
demanding
the
same
level
of
due
diligence
before
they
put
their
money
on
the
table
and
and
I'm
and
I'm
seeing
that
that
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
I
mean
quite
frankly,
and
I'm
one,
but
I'm
wondering
pastor
comes
and
maybe
ward,
I
don't
know
what
the
answer
to
this.
A
You
know
if
we
said
to
you
look
we
we
would
really
like
to
see
you
move
further
along
in
getting
your
funding
commitments.
Lined
up.
You
know,
you
say
you
have
a
verbal
commitment
from
dogwood
we'd
like
to
see
that
in
writing.
We
know
that
there
that
the
county
has
not
yet
made
its
arpa
funding
decisions
or
or
this
may
fall
into
another
bucket,
quite
frankly
for
the
county
too,
but
we'd
like
to
see
that
zelda
and
we'd
like
to
see
you
enter
into
an
agreement
with
givens
for
operating
this
this
project.
A
Before
we
put
our
money
in
before,
we
put
our
due
diligence
money
in
what
would
that
do
to
you
in
terms
of
your
timing,
I
mean,
would
you
stop
your
new
tracks
and
you
can't
go
any
further
or
would
you
say
okay?
Well,
we
can
go
work
on
all
of
that,
get
that
gelled
up
and
come
back
to
you
on
due
diligence.
I'm
just
not
aware
of
all
your
all
of
your
milestones
that
you
have
to
hit
like
maybe
you're
under
contract,
and
you
only
have
a
certain
amount
of
time.
A
N
N
Two
is
we
need
developers
willing
to
house
the
lowest
amis
and
three
is
this?
Is
the
most
vexing
one?
We
need
developers
that
are
willing
to
be
collaborative,
however,
where
that
gets
endlessly
complicated
is
understandably,
when
we're
talking
about
taxpayer
money.
The
risk
threshold
is
very
low
up
until
this
point,
literally,
if
I
was
to
add
up
all
the
in-kind
donations
and
hard
money,
the
churches
put
on
the
table,
we're
well
over
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
get
to
this
moment.
N
What
we
need
is
one
of
the
three
primary
partners
to
say
we
are
willing
to
take
a
risk
as
well,
not
as
much
as
the
church
has
taken
to
get
to
this
point.
But
what
we
have
found
overwhelmingly
is
there's
a
level
of
skittishness
and
in
this
particular
project
the
city
has
to
be
in
the
first
position
we
were
told
early
on,
the
county
will
be
there,
but
not
until
the
end
dogwood
they're,
watching
you
very
closely,
as
are
the
banks.
N
N
E
It
seems
like
the
same
sad
love
song.
The
city
always
has
to
go
first,
and
then
we
pitch
it
back
for
other
folks
to
make
a
commitment,
and
I
don't
mean
to
be
facetious,
but
I'm
just
saying
it
as
it
is.
This
is
the
same
thing:
we've
been
doing
forever
project
after
project,
everybody
loves
it,
but
we
always
have
to
go
first
as
a
city,
we
always
have
to
assume
the
risk,
so
I
mean
I
appreciate
all
the
questions
today.
E
I've
been
on
board
day,
one
because
I'm
acquainted
with
so
many
people
who
are
in
deep
need.
I
have
a
story
that
I
said
I
was
going
to
tell
just
for
the
edification
and
some
encouragement
to
pastor
combs.
We
share
a
friend
and
today
she
had
heart
surgery
and
it's
been
surgery
after
surgery,
after
surgery
and
because
she's
homeless,
I
would
have
to
pick
her
up
and
drop
her
off
at
your
respite.
I
was
so
very
glad
that
this
time
around,
I
didn't
have
to
drop
her
off
at
your
respite
care
I
had
to.
E
E
N
Councilwoman
smith,
thank
you
for
that.
One
point
I
failed
to
mention
is
we
do
have
a
due
diligence
clock
ticking.
We
do
not
have
an
indef
indefinite
amount
of
time.
We've
got
until
the
end
of
january
and
that's
with
a
30-day
extension
and
the
seller
has
been
very
clear
with
us.
N
That's
going
to
be
a
strict
timeline,
so
that's
the
other
consideration
we
have
to
make
and
let
me
just
say,
empathetically,
I'm
not
going
to
make
a
case
that
this
is
the
way
it
necessarily
always
should
be,
but
in
our
endless
conversations
over
the
years,
that's
always
what
we
hear
the
city
has
to
go.
First,
if
it's
going
to
be
a
project
downtown.
A
You
you
are
you
jumping
ahead
to
the?
Are
you
talking
about
the
due
diligence
money
or
the
eventual
due
diligence.
A
A
S
A
I
Yeah-
and
we
just
had
staff,
come
in
and
said
at
least
to
me
that
it's
they're
watching
it.
A
All
right,
okay,
so
we're
going
to
hear
from
caller.
So
I'm
going
to
go
back
to
this
callers.
You
will
first
hear
staff
informed
counsel
that
you're
next
to
speak.
Then
you
will
hear
an
automated
message,
letting
you
know
you
are
unmuted
and
live
in
the
meeting.
You
may
begin
speaking
after
the
automated
message,
if
you
accidentally
drop
out
of
the
speaker,
queue
just
redial
the
number
and
meeting
code
press
star
three
to
rejoin
the
speaker
queue.
S
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
the
time
to
speak
to
council
and
I
very
much
appreciate
all
of
the
incredible
information
we've
also
received
just
now
on
this
project.
I
am
in
favor
of
this
community
development.
I
have
lived
in.
We
can
for
the
last
18
years
and
have
been
on
the
board
of
the
weekend
of
the
west
end
clingman
avenue,
neighborhood
association.
For
most
of
that
time,
I
am
speaking
as
a
private
individual,
because
this
particular
project
has
created
some
differences
of
opinions
in
the
neighborhood.
S
I
am
edified
by
the
fact
of
the
support
for
this
neighborhood
from
the
jubilee
church
also
from
the
racial
racial
justice
coalition.
I
do
feel
like
there
is
potentially
an
equity
issue
that
hasn't
really
been
discussed
until
now.
It's
an
issue
brought
up
by
josiah
cola,
who
is
our
secretary
and
in
all
of
the
work
that
mountain
housing
opportunities
has
done,
and
we
can
pretty
much
all
of
their
developments.
Their
affordable
housing
developments
in
our
neighborhood.
S
Most
of
them
have
happened
within
the
clingman
avenue.
Corridor
merit
park,
prospect,
terrace,
klingman
lofts.
All
of
those
projects
have
happened
on
what
has
traditionally
been
the
african-american
side
of
we
can.
We
can
is
an
amalgam
we
have.
We
have
traditionally
again
a
long
time
ago,
but
then
kind
of
a
a
very
diverse
but
somewhat
separate
neighborhood
in
that
clingman
avenue
was
america,
mostly
african-american,
and
the
west
end
side
of
town
was
predominantly
white.
S
S
Part
of
what's
interesting
to
me
is
that
these,
this
affordable
apartment,
complex
that
is
being
proposed,
is
the
first
one
in
sort
of
the
white
side
of
town,
and
so
I
do
believe
that
it's
interesting
that
that's
when
the
neighborhood
has
decided
that
it
is
maybe
not
as
in
support
of
affordable
housing,
as
it
again
has
traditionally
been
in
the
last
20
or
25
years,
so
it
it.
It
begs
an
interesting
question.
I
I
simply
say
of
that.
B
B
The
end
of
my
street
is
the
top
of
the
hill
where
this
project
is
proposed.
I
am
in
strong
opposition
to
this
project
based
on
the
scale
of
the
building
it's
bigger
than
the
initial
project
that
was
on
ashland
avenue.
It's
asking
for
a
lot
of
variances,
whereas
tiny
enclave
with
all
dead-end
streets.
There's
a
safety
risk,
I
believe
to
the
increase
in
foot
traffic,
90
people
100
people
in
and
out
for
emergency
vehicles,
for
people
being
able
to
access
their
homes.
We
have
one
in
an
egress
to
our
neighborhood.
B
It
is
hillyard
and
clingman
or
west
haywood
to
robert
street.
That
is
the
only
through
street
that
we
have.
This
development,
which
is
really
large
and
without
not
in
keeping
with
the
fabric
of
our
neighborhood,
is
a
behemoth
that
is
going
to
trap
us
into
our
neighborhood.
We
can't
get
in,
we
can't
get
out.
So
that's
a
big
concern
with
the
live
members.
I'm
also
one
of
the
groups
of
a
very
large
group
of
neighbors
who
are
in
opposition
to
this,
who
have
reached
out
to
me.
B
B
We
are
a
fully
economically
diverse,
neighborhood
of
all
ranges
and
in
the
past
few
years,
with
the
development
of
the
river
are
we
have
an
increase
in
home
prices,
a
home
on
my
street
sold
for
850
000
a
couple
of
three
weeks
ago,
others
in
720
some
for
over
a
million.
We
have
affordable
homes,
we
have
mho
cottages,
we
have
a
habitat
home,
we
have
long-term
residents.
Everybody
is
such
a
wonderful
place
to
live
because
everybody
lives
there
because
they
want
to
everybody
gets
along.
Everybody
is
happy
to
live
together.
B
We
are
an
example
of
how,
despite
all
of
the
problems
and
being
cut
off
from
the
city,
you
know
the
dot
and
all
of
that
how
we
have
made
as
neighbors
our
neighborhood
thrive
as
a
place
for
children,
families,
elderly,
poor,
old
black
white
orange,
pink,
polka,
dots,
whatever
there
is
no
judgment
and
we
welcome
everybody.
We
would
welcome
a
project
in
this
location,
half
the
size
that
fits
with
the
zoning
in
an
affordable
housing,
no
problem
with
a
developer,
who
has
experience
who
we
can
feel
safe.
G
U
Thank
you
good
evening.
I
appreciate
very
much
the
opportunity
to
speak
with
you
all
this
evening.
I
live
at
112,
klingman
avenue
and
I
moved
here
last
may
I
moved
here
from
the
charleston
south
carolina
area
specifically
because
I'm
interested
in
making
a
future
life
in
a
community
that
is
committed
to
affordability
in
housing.
U
U
My
background
is
as
an
academic,
I'm
a
former
business
school
dean
and
focused
all
of
my
research
work
on
economic
development
and
collaboration
between
governments,
businesses
and
non-governmental
organizations,
and
because
of
this,
this
expertise
that
I
bring
to
bear.
I'm
particularly
convinced
that
the
communities
that
will
thrive
in
the
future
are
those
that
are
proactive
in
advancing
all
community
members,
all
citizens
to
have
opportunities
to
thrive
and
to
live
and
work
within
the
city.
U
U
We
have
a
willing
partner,
that's
that's,
willing
and
able
to
step
up
to
to
lend
service
to
this,
and
I'm
very,
very
proud
and
hope
that
the
city
will
continue
to
support
initiatives
such
as
this
such
that
asheville
can
continue
to
be
a
place
where
people
who
work
here
live
and
thrive
here.
Thank
you.
C
Hi,
yes,
my
name
is
jamie
brook
walter
and
my
husband
and
I
live
50
yards
from
the
proposed
development,
and
you
know
we
I
just
wanted
to
say
you
know.
I
do
not
support
this
project.
It's
you
know,
as
as
leslie
mentioned
a
behemoth.
It's
you
know
way
it's
over
double
what
what
the
allowable
density
is,
which
is
20
units
and
many
of
many
of
my
neighbors.
C
We
really
don't
support
this
and
it
goes
against
the
neighborhood
plan
that
was
adopted
by
the
city
council
and
one
of
the
goals
pledged
by
the
city,
and
this
plan
was
to
promote
the
involvement
of
residents
regarding
the
future
of
the
neighborhood.
But
the
plan
goes
against.
The
project
goes
against
this
plan
and
you
know,
as
leslie
mentioned,
this
is
a
dead-end
street.
C
So
unless
you
want
to
walk
down
west
haywood,
if
you
want
to
go
down
west
haywood
to
robert
street,
you
know
it's
functionally
a
one
in
a
one-way
street
I
mean
cars
are
regularly
smashed
into
on
these
roads,
so
there's
only
the
egress
into
klingman,
which
is
next
to
impossible
during
rush
hour.
C
So
you
know
it's
just
a
lot
of
it's
not
really
fitting,
as
leslie
mentioned
with
the
fabric
of
our
community,
it's
a
massive
development
in
a
neighborhood,
that's
already
struggling
with
traffic
problems
and
and
crime
problems,
and
many
of
these
crime
problems
you
know,
do
stem
from
the
the
owner
of
the
proposed
development.
You
know
I
want
hope
to
walk
my
toddler
to
isaiah
dixon
elementary
school
when
he's
old
enough,
but
you
know
there
are
folks,
you
know,
shooting
up
drugs
on
that
pedestrian
bridge
and
we're
already
having
problems
with
camping.
C
You
know
people
having
dangerous
dangerous
dogs
and
ten,
you
know,
tents,
it's
it's!
It's
a
lot
of
crime
and
a
lot
of
it
stems
from
the
ripple
effects
of
the
the
the
population
that
they're
serving
there,
and
it
just
seems
to
me
that
the
the
management
of
the
church
hasn't
respected
the
the
community
so
far
that
they're
they're
there.
You
know
right
next
to
so.
It
just
seems
hard
to
trust
this
church
when
the
ripple
effects
are
really
already
being
felt
daily
by
us,
and
it's
easy
to
support
this.
C
You
know
if
you
don't
live
next
to
it,
but
it's
really
hard
it's
becoming
more
and
more
hard
to
live
next
to
this
to
the
next
to
this
church
and
yeah,
I
just
wanted
to
to
you
know,
lend
my
voice
in
opposition
to
this
project.
Thank
you.
Q
Q
Q
Why
would
the
city
of
asheville
front
due
diligence
money
for
a
project
that
may
not
even
happen
enabling
a
group
of
investors
to
profit
down
the
road,
but
your
own
money,
and
it
doesn't
matter
if
hscd
has
waited
eight
years,
a
building
lasts
a
long
time
h
s
d,
c,
h
s
c
d,
request
conditional
use
zoning
because
the
building
footprint
and
total
square
footage
exceed
allowances,
as
do
the
units
per
acre.
They
request
45
units
on
0.87
acres
that
equals
51
units
per
acre.
Q
The
project
they're
pushing
on
our
neighborhood
does
not
meet
several
goals
established
in
the
actual
city
and
we
can
plan
of
2010.
in
the
last
few
years.
Two
high
density,
housing
developments,
totaling
205
units
with
affordable
housing
were
built,
205
units
are
within
one
block
of
the
proposed
hscd
site
and
another
building
is
coming
to
the
same
block
on
clingman.
Q
Q
Q
A
M
A
Bear
with
me,
okay,
too
many
too
many
documents
here
to
follow.
Okay,
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
on
this
item
and
I'm
going
to
do
a
roll
call
vote
and,
first
of
all,
I'm
calling
on
myself.
I
vice
mayor
smith,
aye
councilwoman,
kilgore,.
I
G
A
Okay,
thank
you
and
thank
you
to
pastor
combs
for
joining
us,
and
I
don't
see
ward
anymore,
but
he's
probably
on
somewhere
on
my
sub
screen.
Thank
you
for
joining
us.
Okay,
now
go
make
this
project
happen.
A
All
right,
moving
on
to
the
next
item
new
business
c,
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
the
vice
mayor
for
new
business
item
c.
E
Well,
thank
you.
Earlier
today,
council
held
interviews
to
seal
the
vacancy
one
seat
for
planning
and
zoning.
We
interviewed
six
candidates
so
now
is
the
determining
day,
not
sure
how
to
do
this
exactly
do
we
want
to
do
a
tally
or
someone
make
a
motion
kind
of
feel
like
we
need
to
do
a
tally.
Type
of.
E
Yeah,
let's
do
it
like
we
did
last
time
so
I'll
start.
Let
me
change
my
screen.
I
can't
see
everybody
I'll
start
with
you
mayor.
E
Okay,
miss
mosley.
C
Button
will
start
nicholas
dugan
for
me.
E
M
E
K
I
have
a
question
about
clarifying,
we
are
eligible
to
or
we
can
lift
up
any
name
of
the
eligible
applicant,
correct,
I'll,
lift
up
reverend
wilcox.
E
Sarah
wilcox
and
for
those
listening,
pastor
wilcox,
was
in
our
first
round
and
myself
I'll
go
with
nicholas,
so
it
seems
like
we
have
one
two,
three
four
for
miss
kelsey
simmons.
B
F
A
Okay,
we're
gonna
move
on
to
informal
discussion
and
public
comment
and
we
have
three
people
signed
up
to
speak
under
informal
discussion
of
public
comment.
Let
me
read
a
few
things
here:
staff
will
now
connect
live
calls
from
our
speaker
queue
for
informal
discussion
and
public
comment.
Again.
A
H
Oh
hey,
I
just
was
calling
in
to
wish
october
happy
birthdays,
councilwoman,
mosley
and
sage
turner.
It
turns
out
that
miss
turner's
birthday
corresponds
with
my
own
personal
civil
rights
hero,
a
man
I
admire
not
so
much
for
anything
that
he
did
spectacular,
but
just
the
things
that
he
taught
me
over
the
years,
professor
at
clemson
university
specialized
in
southern
politics
and
political
science
department,
stephen
henry
wayne,
scott,
dr
wayne,
scott,
also
known
as
dad
by
me
when
my
family
moved
to
south
carolina
before
I
started
first
grade.
H
H
When
I
was
in
sixth
grade,
I
came
home
and
told
him
that
I
learned
in
social
studies
class
that
the
mistreatment
of
slaves
was
largely
a
myth,
because
you
know,
after
all,
why
would
you
beat
something
that
you
just
bought
so
taught?
My
teacher,
my
father,
taught
me
what
time
it
was
regarding
that
and
then
in
eighth
grade
american
history
teacher
taught
us
that
the
civil
war
was
fought
more
about
states
rights
than
it
was
about
slavery,
and
my
dad,
you
know.
P
H
Out
all
the
documents,
the
confederate
speeches
in
the
articles
of
secession
or
secessionist
states
and
my
dad
enlightened
me
to
the
fact
that
the
at-large
election
system
was
a
target
of
the
civil
rights
movement,
because
it
was
a
tool
of
disenfranchisement
of
minority
voting
when
I
was
talking
to
him
a
couple
years
ago
about
our
election
system.
So
I'm
privileged
and
honored
to
still
have
my
dad,
dr
wayne
scott
available
for
great
conversations
about
north
carolina,
southern
politics
and
history.
So.
N
H
Birthday
dad
again
happy
birthday
to
councilwoman,
moseley
and
turner,
and
thank
you
all
on
council
for
your
action
on
the
consent
agenda
this
evening.
So
have.
N
R
Hello,
this
is
david
rogers.
I
am
from
the
grace
community
city
council
members,
I'm
calling
on
you
to
help
rebuild
jones
park
playground
for
the
first
five
years
after
it
was
constructed.
The
city
provided
maintenance,
after
that
it
slowly
fell
into
disrepair
with
minimal
or
no
upkeep.
For
the
last
few
years,
under
the
watch
of
asheville
city,
schools,
acs
tore
this
down
without
plans
to
replace
it
or
any
funding
for
this.
I've
been
talking
directly
with
mayor
mannheimer
and
commissioner
newman.
Both
supportive
of
getting
this
park
rebuilt.
R
R
I
understand
the
dynamics
here
with
acs
the
county
and
the
city
makes
us
very
complicated,
but
to
the
average
joe,
we
just
see
a
treasured
park
in
the
city
that
was
neglected
and
destroyed.
It
looks
like
another
example
of
poor
leadership
and
decision
making
to
most
of
us
there's
lots
of
anger
out
there
about
this.
I
suspect
this
will
be
an
issue
in
the
2022
elections.
R
You
all
have
a
chance
to
take
this
negative
situation
and
spin
it
into
a
positive
one
for
the
community.
In
my
discussions
with
the
mayor,
she
has
said
it
will
likely
take
a
public
and
private
collaboration
to
get
this
rebuilt.
I
have
pledges
from
two
major
donors
of
280
000
to
possibly
300
thousand
dollars.
In
total.
R
I
expect
we
will
get
many
more
donations
once
we
start
looking
for
support
my
goal
and
the
goal
of
the
major
donors
is
to
get
this
park
rebuilt
quickly
within
a
year
of
the
removal
of
this
asset
from
public
use.
This
gives
us
about
10
months
in
the
private
sector.
This
can
be
done
pretty
easily.
We
need
your
help
to
get
the
resources
allocated
to
make
this
right.
I
am
asking
that
you
hold
off
on
funding
the
development
of
any
new
parks
such
as
the
carolina
day
facility
until
you
get
this
one
funded
and
built.
R
If
we
can't
take
care
of
our
existing
parks,
we
really
shouldn't
be
building
new
ones
jones
park.
Playground
is
one
of
the
reasons
my
family
chose
to
buy
our
house
within
walking
distance
of
this
community
space.
Having
amenities
and
infrastructure
is
why
we
pay
higher
taxes
and
choose
to
live
in
the
city.
R
There
are
a
bunch
of
really
sad
kids
out
there,
who
don't
understand
why
adults
do
stuff
like
this.
It's
really
hard
to
explain
to
a
kid
why
someone
would
destroy
a
park
without
a
plan
to
replace
it.
I
really
can't
all
I
can
do
is
let
them
know
that
I'm
working
to
make
this
right
and
I
hope
you
will
too.
I
appreciate
your
help
getting
jones
park
rebuilt.
It
was
a
treasured
asset
for
more
than
20
years.
R
R
Hi
I'm
coming
from
kennel
worth.
I
just
wanted
to
read
a
google
review
that
I
saw
for
the
maple
crest
apartment.
Aka
lee
walker
heights
is
from
a
month
ago,
and
it
goes
they
were
nice
until
they
started
moving
more
families
with
kids.
They
are
biking
and
riding
all
on
sidewalks,
where
elderly
people
are
walking.
Elevators
are
dirty
now,
no
one
cleans
or
mocks
them
with
that
much
traffic.
Where
is
the
ground
keeper
wait?
The
leasing
office
is
closed
monday
and
tuesdays.
R
How
too
much
outside
loitering
music
is
loud
coming
for
cars,
stereos
and
people
are
smoking
outside,
because
inside
is
smoke-free,
but
they
are
lined
up
outside
on
some
bench.
At
the
entrance
smoking
more
than
cigarettes,
why
not
have
them
smoked
back
behind
the
dumpster
area
driving
into
the
entrance
looks
like
driving
right
into
new
jack
city.
It
is
giving
old
lee
walker
heights
fives
for
me.
A
Thank
you,
miss
mosley,
yes,.
J
Mayor
and
other
colleagues,
I'm
just
hoping,
while
we
take
time
to
consider
fundraising
for
the
jones
park,
we'll
also
consider
fundraising
for
the
parks
at
hillcrest
and
pisgah
view.
A
Thank
you
and
manager
campbell
could
you
that,
regarding
that
last
caller,
maybe
communicate
with
the
housing
authority
regarding
the
comments
around
lee
walker,
not
called
lee
walker
anymore,
formerly
michael
cress,
thank
you
and
I
just
visited
there
and
I
did
not
see
any
of
what
that
person
was
talking
about,
but
important
to
communicate.
A
Folks
this
this
we
are,
we
are
concluded
and
just
as
a
reminder
for
everyone,
we
do
not
have
a
second
meeting
in
november
dude,
so
we're
just
gonna.
Have
our
next
meeting
on
november.
Maggie
remind
me
of
the
date.
Nine
ninth
and
with
that
meeting
will
be
virtual,
and
hopefully,
by
the
end,
by
the
by
our
december
meeting,
we
will
go
back
to
in-person
meetings
likely
in
the
civic
center,
but
stay
tuned,
paris
cherokee,
I
mean
but
stay
tuned.