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A
Okay,
so
you
know
normally
we
yeah
nor
where's,
my
decibel
reader.
I
think
I
have
one
up
here.
So
normally
we
have
a,
I
mean
our
rule.
Is
we
have
an
hour
comment
for
each
agenda
item
and
I
don't,
I
think,
a
lot
of
you
signed
up
to
speak.
It
would
be
very
helpful
when
we
do
big
items.
We,
we
usually
kind
of
jump
back
and
forth
between
for
and
against,
doesn't
work
for
this
topic
because
there's
not
really
a
for
and
against.
A
Could
what
I'm
going
to
do
is
ask
for
different
groups
of
folks
to
kind
of
put
forward
a
speaker
and
sort
of
so
we
don't
use
up
a
whole
hour
on
one
group
of
people
and
nobody
else
got
to
be
heard.
So
if
you,
if
you
kind
of
identify
with
a
group
of
folks,
maybe
talk
amongst
yourselves
and
see
if
you
know,
if
you
guys
kind
of,
could
agree
like
a
few
folks
that
you
want
to
put
out
there
first
we're
going
to
try
and
get
to
as
many
people
as
we
possibly
can.
A
But
you
know
if
you're
here
with
the
neighborhood
group
and
you
guys
sort
of
know
who
you
want
to
speak
for
you
if
you're
here
with
amp
and
you
kind
of
know
who
should
go
first.
Second,
third,
whatever
just
sort
of
think
about
that,
so
that
we
at
least
are
able
to
hear
from
representatives
from
all
the
various
groups
on
noise.
A
Thanks:
okay,
welcome
to
the
asheville
city
council
meeting.
If
you
could
just
take
a
moment
and
I'm
just
gonna
all
right-
we're
still
sort
of
figuring
all
this
out
here,
but
if
you
could
just
take
a
moment
and
mute,
your
cell
phones
and
again
as
we
as
I
mentioned
earlier.
If
you
wanted
to
speak
tonight,
please
sign
up,
although
I'm
we
may
be
deep
into
our
hour,
our
limit
on
each
of
the
agenda
items
also,
the
exit
gates
will
be
open
for
those
that
parked
in
the
civic
center
parking
garage.
A
Tonight
we
do
not
have
any
proclamations
so
I'll
move
on
to
the
consent
agenda.
Do
I
have
a
motion
to
adopt
the
consent
agenda
so
moved
I'll.
A
I
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
adopt
the
consent
agenda
and
I
do
have
two
people
to
sign
up
to
speak
under
the
motion
to
adopt
the
consent
agenda.
The
first
is
mel
noise
and
just
for
everyone's
knowledge,
the
time
permitted
to
speak
is
three
minutes.
Is
mel
noise
here?
Yes,
thank
you.
D
Good
evening
city
council,
first,
I
wanted
to
acknowledge
that
we
are
on
the
ancestral
lands
of
the
cherokee
people
who
are
forcibly
removed
from
their
territory
residing
in
a
city
built
by
stolen
people.
I
want
to
honor
the
descendants
of
all
those
ancestors
who
still
experience
the
effects
of
modern
day
colonization
today,
in
other
words,
gentrification
and
policing.
D
D
I
also
wanted
to
speak
about
item
g.
The
emergency,
non-congregate,
shelters
and
hotels
are
a
great
start,
but
I
wanted
to
ask
if
there
is
still
a
focus
on
low
barrier.
Shelters
folks
need
an
open
door
to
not
just
for
not
just
in
an
emergency,
but
all
year
round,
safe
from
the
police
that
you
refuse
to
defund
and
then
item
m.
D
This
item
only
allows
the
mayor
to
add
members
to
the
board
that
controls
public
housing,
and
this
does
not
seem
appropriate,
considering
the
city
is
set
on
destroying
and
replacing
all
public
housing
with
affordable
housing,
and
there
needs
to
be
a
more
equitable
way
in
which
these
folks
are
chosen.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
and
just
on
that
last
item.
As
a
point
of
clarification,
we
are
bound
by
law
and
unfortunately,
we
can't
change
that
and
the
next
person
signed
up
to
speak
under
this
is
kate
sav.
E
Hi,
thank
you
to
the
first
speaker
for
the
land
acknowledgement
yeah.
I
would
like
to
just
piggyback
off
of
the
sentiments
that
have
already
been
made
and
say
that
consent
item
k
is
a
blatant
disregard
of
public
opinion
in
the
last
year,
which
has
been
showing
up
loud,
clear
and
consistently
to
let
the
mayor
and
the
city
council
know
that
more
police
is
not
community
safety,
and
I
believe
that
this
issue
is
linked
to
the
noise
ordinance
as
the
noise
ordinance.
E
As
I
understand
it
will
specifically
target
protesters
and
dissent,
and
I
don't
understand
what
free
speech
in
this
country
is
meant
to
mean
if
both
houseless
folks,
who
have
nowhere
else
to
go
as
well
as
those
who
are
expressing
their
discontent
with
the
decisions
made
by
this
council,
cannot
express
that
freely
in
the
streets,
and
I
find
it
despicable
that
council
has
closed
digital
comment
for
this
meeting.
At
a
time
when
the
delta
variant
is
on
the
rise.
E
F
A
Turn
my
mic
on:
yes,
I'm
sorry,
are
we
bringing
more
seats
in
here?
Are
we
are
we
do
we're
asking
people
to
sit
back
there?
A
G
G
Council
just
had
we
will
need
to
amend
our
consent
agenda
item
v
to
have
our
work
session
on
8
24
start
at
2
30,
not
3
30.
Please
so.
Can
we
have
the
folks
who
made
that
motion
to
approve
the
consent
agenda?
Just
add
it.
H
I
A
J
J
A
K
K
The
message
has
been
clear
for
a
really
long
time
to
defund
asheville
police
department
by
50
percent
people
have
protested
in
the
streets,
have
organized
rjc
has
come
together:
community
organizers,
people
across
this
community,
one
third
of
apd,
has
quit
so
the
pathway
to
defunding
apd
is
already
there
and
from
what
I
understand.
This
is
about
an
11
million
dollar
investment.
K
L
Fire
gentrifier
our
world
is
literally
on
fire.
This
month,
we've
seen
part
of
the
gulf
of
mexico
erupt
in
flames.
We've
seen
wildfires
in
oregon,
incinerate
10
times
the
acreage.
At
the
same
time.
Last
year
and
on
july
23rd,
one
of
our
neighbors
robert
austin
died
while
trapped
in
a
cage
of
your
making.
L
In
the
face
of
this
moment
of
crisis,
you
do
nothing
worse
than
nothing.
You
empathize
gentrification
against
us.
You
use
fema
money
to
break
up
the
camps
when
our
nate,
where
our
neighbors
are
residing
you
arm
the
very
cops
who
assault
and
harass
us
and
pay
them
31
million
dollars
and
more
every
year
to
fund
their
reign
of
terror.
L
L
Even
as
the
city
council
ignores
our
calls
for
abolition,
even
as
a
city
council
averts
their
gaze,
even
as
you
ignore
our
calls
for
reparations
and
even
as
our
neighbors
are
murdered
in
cages,
you
try
to
silence
us
with
more
restrictive
time
limits
on
public
hearings
with
this
noise
ordinance
tonight
by
gentrifying
the
city
to
make
us
disappear,
but
we
will
not
disappear.
We
will
not
go
away.
Those
of
us
who
exist
in
the
undercommons,
those
of
us
who
are
impoverished
and
unhoused
queer
and
trans
black
and
brown,
whom
the
city
treats
as
disposable.
M
Hi,
I
also
did
not
have
a
lot
of
time
to
prepare
for
this,
seeing
how
these
things
keep
coming
and
coming
and
coming
with
the
city.
M
But
in
the
brief
amount
of
time
that
I
did
have
it's
interesting
to
look
through
the
proposed
budgets
for
some
of
these
line
items
and
see,
for
example,
a
11
million
dollar
proposal
for
a
new
police
station
in
in
comparison
to
a
fraction,
like
literally
less
than
a
tenth
of
the
amount
of
that
money
directed
from
federal,
covered
relief
funds
to
provide
some
form
of
temporary
aid
to
asheville's.
Unhoused
populations,
like
that.
M
That
was
just
one
of
the
clearest
ways
that
this
city
could
possibly
demonstrate
the
priorities
that
they
take
towards
the
people
that
live
here,
particularly
when
you
think
about
the
fact
that
these
are
not
permanent
housing
solutions.
These
are
temporary.
It
takes
us
through
the
end
of
tourist
season,
so
I
guess
some
people
would
appreciate
that
being
out
of
sight
and
out
of
mind
for
that
period
of
time.
M
But
I
encourage
you
to
think
about
maybe,
instead
of
just
shuffling
people
off
into
hotels
and
then
not
even
providing
like
food
for
the
people
in
those
hotels
directing
maybe
more
than
a
tenth
of
the
budget
that
you're
able
to
find
for
a
police
force
that
is
crumbling
towards.
I
don't
know
the
multiple,
multiple
citizens
that
seem
to
be
violently
and
systematically
unhoused
by
the
policies
of
this
city.
I
I
don't
know
what
else
to
say
other
than
that
there's
I
don't
know
what
else
to
say.
N
So
hello
city
council,
unfortunate
to
see
you
again
I'll
just
begin
when
I
think
of
the
job
of
a
politician,
I
think
of
someone
who's
supposed
to
be
a
representative
someone
who's
supposed
to
be
strong
enough
to
put
their
biases
aside
and
to
listen
to
the
community
and
make
choices
accordingly.
N
However,
being
involved
with
asheville,
politics
has
showed
me
that
that
is
mostly
not
the
case.
Instead,
it
seems
to
be
a
handful
of
tone,
deaf
people
with
power
that
decide
to
make
decisions
that
completely
ignore
the
concerns
of
the
community
and
instead
cause
direct
harm,
I.e,
homelessness
and
poverty.
N
N
We
need
to
be
addressing
these
problems
by
providing
housing,
health
care
and
other
essential
services.
What
we
don't
need
is
a
new
police
station,
which
we
will
struggle
to
fill.
Your
community
has
pleaded
with
you.
Please
do
not
continue
investing
in
harmful
oppressive
and
outdated
institutions
like
the
police.
N
A
Okay,
thank
you.
So
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
adopt
the
consent
agenda
without
item
k
and
just
to
to
clarify
item
k,
which
I
think
a
lot
of
the
speakers
have
addressed,
have
been
asked
to
clarify
that
this
is
a
public
safety
station,
it's
primarily
a
fire
station
and
it
will
also
house
the
emergency
operations
center,
which
is
used
in
the
event
of
a
you
know,
flooding
or
other
weather
events
and
other
items,
and
it
does
include
a
police
substation.
A
But
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
this
is
a
multi-purpose
station
that
we've
been
planning
for
some
time
now.
So
I
just
if
you
want
to
add
anything
to
that
that
I
left
out.
O
No
mayor,
I
think
you
covered
it.
This
is
to
replace
something
that
happened
in
1975
and
we
have
just
taken
a
long
time.
A
And-
and
I
do
know
that
one
of
the
main
functions
is
to
allow
the
response
time
to
shorten
for
areas
around
montford
for
fire
response
time,
because
it
is
not
it's.
A
O
I
I
We
do
have
response
issues
in
this
location
that
need
to
be
addressed,
but
we
also
have
a
priority
need
for
our
land
use
and
we
have
9-1-1
facilities
that
need
to
be
updated.
We
need
to
partner
with
the
county
on
that
and
we
need
to
start
working
on
community
paramedicine.
I
don't
see
that
in
this
proposal.
A
Okay,
so
we
had
a
unanimous
with
maggie
on
the
first
motion.
We
need
a
motion
to
adopt
item
k.
Do
I
have
a
motion
so
moved?
Okay,
do
I
have
a
second
second?
Thank
you
all
right,
all
those
in
favor,
please
say
aye.
O
A
We
have
no
presentations
on
reports
under
our
agenda,
I'm
going
to
move
into
the
pelvic
hearing
and
the
first
is
a
public
hearing
to
consider
a
resolution
to
permanently
close
a
portion
of
right
away
at
155
thompson
street.
Hopefully
this
will
be
a
quick
item.
We
don't
have.
Anyone
signed
up
to
speak
on
this
and
jessica
morris
is
here
to
talk
to
us
about
this.
Q
Hi,
council
members,
jessica,
morris
assistant,
transportation,
director
and
yes,
you're
right.
This
will
be
rather
quick.
The
purpose
of
this
presentation
is
to
consider
a
right-of-way
closure
near
the
very
end
of
thompson
street.
This
was
previously
an
extension
of
thompson
street
that
is
no
longer
used
as
a
street.
The
city
is
actually
the
the
sponsor
of
this
proposal,
and
we've
been
working
with
the
property
owner.
That's
adjacent
to
this
property
he's
proposing
to
exchange
this
right-of-way
closure
with
us
to
provide
an
easement
for
what
would
be
the
future.
Q
Q
A
I
will
open
and
close
the
or
I'm
sorry
does
anyone
have
any
questions?
First,
with
ms
morris,
okay,
I
will
open
and
close
the
public
hearing,
since
no
one
signed
up
to
speak
on
this
item.
Is
there
a
motion
to
adopt
a
resolution
to
permanently
close
a
portion
of
unopened
right
away
at
155
thompson
street,
so
moved?
Okay,
a
second
all
right.
We
have
a
motion
in
a
second
all,
those
in
favor,
please
say:
aye.
R
A
Opposed
all
right,
thank
you
thanks.
Next
we
have
66
longshoals
road.
This
is
a
two-parter.
We've
got
a
luige
grant,
it
looks
like
first
or
a
land-use
incentive
grant.
Yes,
the
luige
grant
and
paul
d'angelo
is
here
to
speak
on
that
and
then
shannon
tuck
will
handle
the
zoning
so
you're
looking
like
you're,
not
sure
if
you
should
come
up,
come
on
up.
S
The
development
consists
of
86
rental
apartments,
with
17
of
the
homes,
which
is
20
percent,
serving
individuals
and
families
earning
at
or
below
80
percent
of
area.
Median
income
with
half
of
those
at
or
below,
60
percent
of
the
area.
Median
income
for
a
minimum
of
20
years
project
is
on
a
2.85
parcel
located
in
the
asheville
city
limits
on
66
long
shoals
near
biltmore
park.
S
The
project
as
presented
to
staff
meets
the
requirements
of
the
luigi
policy,
the
luige
policy
part
of
the
louise
scoring
matrix
and
based
upon
the
policy.
The
project
receives
30
points
for
affordability,
20
points
for
location,
20
points
for
energy
efficiency,
including
solar
panels,
and
an
additional
10
points
for
building
in
a
non-qualified
census
tract.
This
is
the
first
luigi
application.
S
We've
had
that
is
taking
advantage
of
solar
panels
for
the
common
space
and
also
in
a
non-qct,
which
is
a
census
tract
where
at
least
50
percent
of
the
individuals
or
families
are
above
60
of
the
area.
Median
income
and
also
the
poverty
level
is
below
25.
So
I
a
higher
opportunity
census
track
by
biltmore
park.
The
proposal
offers
those
affordable
housing
units
17
in
total,
again
with
half
of
them,
accepting
vouchers
and
meets
the
council
goals
of
quality,
affordable
housing,
as
well
as
an
equitable
and
diverse
community,
and
regarding
fiscal
impact.
S
The
city
property
taxes
on
this
parcel
currently
receive
about
six
thousand
six
hundred
and
five
dollars
annually.
Under
the
estimated
tax
value
of
approximately
14.5
million
post
completion,
the
annual
city
property
tax
will
be
approximately
58.5
000..
The
difference
is
nearly
52
000,
which
would
be
granted
to
the
property
owner
annually
after
payment
for
16
years
for
16
years
and
17,
affordable
units
at
or
below
80
percent,
ami
again,
with
half
of
those
at
or
below
60
ami,
with
the
acceptance
of
housing,
choice,
vouchers
and
rental
assistance.
S
The
luigi
the
weeds
policy
equals
about
forty.
Eight
thousand.
Eight
hundred
and
forty
six
dollars
per
unit
of
investment
subsidy,
which
is
lower
than
the
estimate
of
eighty
thousand
dollars
per
unit
and
subsidy
needed
for
eighty
percent
area
median
income
units,
and
that
was
noted
in
the
council
work
session,
as
well
as
in
the
luigi
policy.
S
Please
note
that
the
city
will
still
receive
property
taxes
on
this
property
for
years,
one
through
16
at
6,
605
dollars
and
the
city
does
set
aside
a
budget
annually
for
the
land
use
incentive
grant.
With
that,
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
The
representative
derek
allen
is
here
for
the
property,
as
well
as
one
of
the
developers
owen
hartman.
If
there's
any
questions.
C
Any
questions
before
we
I
proceed
with
questions
I'm
hearing
from
some
folks
that
are
in
the
back
and
in
the
overflow
that
they
cannot
hear
counsel,
but
they
can
hear
the
presenters.
Is
that
can
y'all
speak
to
that?
Can
you
all
hear
in
the
back.
C
A
Okay,
I
don't
know
okay,
we'll
we'll
get
someone
to
work
on
that.
Okay.
Thank
you
great
all,
right.
Any
questions,
counsel
of
paul
regarding
the
luige
grant
portion
of
this.
O
Yeah,
so,
okay,
I'm
sorry
man,
we're
just
in
response
to
ms
turner's
concerns,
we're
having
some
technical
difficulty.
If
we
turn
it
up
too
loud,
we
get
some
reverberation
in
the
back
from
all
the
different.
O
A
A
A
Okay,
then,
why
don't
we
have
shannon,
come
and
do
the
other
part
and
then
we'll
open
and
then
we'll
vote
vote.
A
A
V
Thank
you,
mayor
members
of
council,
as
the
mayor's
indicated,
this
is
part
of
this
public
hearing
is
to
discuss
a
proposed
rezoning
of
the
property
located
at
66
long
shoals
road,
as
you
can
see
from
the
exhibit
a
map.
The
property
is
currently
zoned
institutional
and
under
our
current
udo
standards.
Any
developments
that
are
over
50
residential
units
are
required
to
do
a
conditional
zoning.
So
the
request
is
to
excuse
me:
we
zone
the
property
from
institutional
to
residential
expansion,
conditional
zone.
V
You
can
see
from
the
attached
exhibit
b
aerial
image.
The
property
is
is
largely
undeveloped.
There
is
a
single
residential
structure
located
there
in
the
center
of
the
property.
This
is
a
little
bit
of
an
outlier
along
the
corridor.
The
corridor
is
predominantly
commercial
or
high
density.
Residential
you
can
see
to
the
to
the
west
or
to
the
left
on
the
screen
is
a
commercial
establishment
to
the
north.
That
large
campus
is
the
tc
robertson
high
school
and
to
the
east
is
it
looks
like
a
residential
structure,
but
this
aerial
image
is
slightly
outdated.
V
V
The
proposal
is
for
moderately
sized
multi-family
multi-story
residential
development
87
units.
The
feature
land
use
map
designates
this
property
as
urban
corridor
and
the
urban
corridor
designation
calls
for
exactly
that:
high
higher
density,
multi-storied
or
mixed
use,
or
development,
mixed
use
or
multi-family
development.
So
a
change
to
the
future
land
use
map
will
not
be
required.
V
The
development
proposes
two
buildings,
two
multi-family
structures,
87
units
are
distributed
in
these
two
buildings,
the
front
building,
building
a
is
located
on
longshore's
road,
so
it
will
have
a
presence
or
be
oriented
to
longshore's
road,
and
this
is
what
we
call
a
3-4
split.
It's
four
stories
from
the
front
standing
in
front
of
the
building
on
long
shoals.
Three
stories
from
the
back
building
b
at
the
rear
of
the
property
is.
W
V
Building
bay
at
the
rear
of
the
property
is
a
4-5
split.
It's
predominantly
four-story
building,
there's
a
little
piece
of
five
stories.
Kind
of
located
here
on
the
western
side,
also
included
in
the
project,
is
approximately
125
parking
spaces
and
that's
provided
through
a
combination
of
surface
spaces,
as
well
as
some
individual
garages,
both
as
part
of
the
building
and
then
also
some
freestanding
garages.
As
you
can
see
in
the
center
of
the
property,
the
project
also
supplies
sidewalk
throughout.
V
V
V
There
we
go
on
the
lower
right
hand:
corner
is
the
four-story
elevation
that
would
be
visible
from
long
shoals
road.
The
upper
left-hand
corner
is
the
elevation
from
the
back.
This
is
building
a
so
you
can
see
that
four
stories
in
the
front,
the
three
stories
in
the
back
then
scrolling
down.
We
have
building
b,
which
is
the
larger
building
in
the
rear,
and
you
can
see
that
it's
a
predominantly
four-story
building.
V
This
elevation
is
the
elevation
that
you
would
see
if
you're
standing
in
the
center
of
the
parking
lot.
Looking
back
at
the
building,
it's
the
south
elevation,
and
that
is
that
little
piece
of
fifth
story
that
gets
tucked
under
for
the
garages.
That
is
the
view.
The
upper
left-hand
elevation
is
the
view
from
tc
robertson.
Looking
back
at
the
building.
V
This
project
was
reviewed
by
the
planning
zoning
commission
back
in
june
and
july,
and
received
unanimous,
unanimous
support.
Planning
staff
also
supports
this
recommendation
and
finds
that
the
project
is
consistent
with
the
city's
comprehensive
plan,
primarily
in
that
it
provides
strategic,
infill
development
in
an
area
that's
targeted
for
growth,
87
residential
units
that
are
located
in
proximity
to
schools,
parks
and
transit,
and,
as
you
heard
earlier
from
mr
d'angelo,
20
of
these
units
are
also
set
aside
as
affordable.
So
it's
not
just
housing.
V
T
A
Okay,
we
we
have
consolidated
these
two
items
and
we're
opening
the
public
hearing
and
closing
the
public
hearing,
and
you
want
to.
A
Okay,
okay,
thank
you,
and
so
we
will
need
a
motion,
but
did
you
want
to
make
a
comment?
First,.
C
I
can
make
it
during
the
discussion
I'll
move.
Do
we
need
two
motions,
one
for
luigi,
okay,
so
I'll
move
to
approve
the
conditional
zoning
request
for
the
property
located
at
66,
longshoals
road
from
institutional
to
residential
expansion
conditional
zone
and
find
that
the
request
is
reasonable
in
the
public
interest
is
consistent
with
the
city's
comprehensive
plan
and
meets
the
development
needs
of
the
community.
In
that
we
request.
T
F
C
I've
got
it
open
and
that's
the
one
I
have
comments
on.
So,
if
we're
going
to
move
that
quickly,
maybe
I'll
make
my
comments
now.
I
just
wanted
to
thank
the
developer.
I'm
not
even
sure
that
they're
here
they
have
representation
for
using
the
luigi
program.
We
affectionately,
call
it
the
luigi.
Oh
you
are
here.
Thank
you.
C
This
is
not
a
requirement
they
do
this.
They
do
have
to
support
20
affordable
if
they
surpass
the
unit
count
of
50
and
come
to
us
for
conditional
approval.
But
I
wanted
to
express
that
we,
many
volunteers
and
staff
have
worked
on
this
luigi
policy.
Land
use
incentive
grant
for
so
many
years
and
just
two
years
ago
no
one
had
fully
utilized
it.
So
I'm
thankful
to
see
it
here
tonight
and
I
wanted
to
repeat
a
couple
of
the
things
just
for
the
community's
sake
that
mr
d'angelo
said.
C
So
this
reads
as
an
80
ami
and
that's
area,
median
income,
meaning
every
median
income-
means
that
half
the
people
make
more
than
a
certain
number
and
half
the
people
make
less
than
that
number.
So
we're
targeting
80
ami
and
then,
via
this
requirement
of
the
luigi
half
of
the
affordable
units,
are
required
to
accept
vouchers,
and
that
brings
that
ami
target
from
30
to
60..
So
to
put
that
in
real
day
terms,
someone
making
15
dollars
an
hour
and
working
full
time
is
at
60
ami.
C
I
also
wanted
to
note
that
every
year
we
return
about
two
million
dollars
in
housing,
vouchers
that
go
unused
because
we
do
not
have
the
units
or
the
landlords
that
are
willing
to
accept
them.
So
that
is
key,
and
I'm
just
very
thankful
that
we
have
this
in
front
of
us
and
with
that
I'll
make
a
motion
to
approve
the
land,
use
incentive,
grant
application
for
millstone
management
and
66
long
shoals.
Second,.
A
Item
on
public
hearing
agenda-
and
you
guys
are
welcome
to
say
this
should
be
short.
A
Thank
you
is
101
charlotte
street.
Here
we
just
need
a
motion
to
continue.
I
need
two
actually
first
is
to
continue
item
c1,
the
public
hearing
to
consider
a
land
use
incentive
grant
for
101
charlotte
street.
Do
I
have
a
motion
to
continue
that
item
to
august
24th
2021
so
moved?
Thank
you.
Second.
All
right.
I
have
a
motion
a
second
all,
those
in
favor,
please
say
aye,
hi,
hi
I'll,
be
any
opposed.
Thank
you
all
right.
A
Y
O
F
A
Opposed
all
right,
all
right,
no
unfinished
business
under
new
business.
The
first
item
we've
got
nikki
reed
to
talk
to
us
about
a
resolution
authorizing
the
city
manager
to
donate
two
city-owned
lots
to
a
b
tech
community,
I'm
sorry
asheville,
buncombe,
community
land,
trust
for
one
dollar
each.
I
know,
subject
to
affordable
housing,
deed
restrictions,
good.
Z
So
we
issued
a
request
for
developers
to
submit
proposals
back
in
september
the
one
from
the
asheville
buncombe
community
land
trust
includes
for
two
parcels.
One
is
located
in
west
asheville
off
of
lefty
avenue.
The
other
is
off
of
west
chestnut
at
the
broadway
intersection
near
the
montford
neighborhood.
What
they
are
proposing
is
to
build
single-family
homes
on
both
of
those
lots.
Z
The
tentative
size
is
about
1400
square
feet.
The
price
point
that
they're
hoping
to
sell
those
homes
for
is
135
thousand
dollars
to
an
income
qualified
individual
or
family
at
this
60
ami,
so
appreciate
that
clarification
earlier.
They
hope
to
begin
construction
and
be
completed
in
a
12-month
time
frame
after
we
close
on
the
sale
of
that
land
with
that
lower
purchase
price.
That
also
requires
a
subsidy
up
front
and
they
are
asking
the
city
to
donate
those
lots
to
the
land,
trust
for
a
dollar.
Z
The
good
thing
about
the
community
land
trust
model
as
well
is
that
it's
a
permanent
affordability
model.
So
what
that
means
is
that
at
any
point
that
that
home
will
be
resold
to
the
next
buyer,
they
will
also
have
to
income
qualify
in
order
to
qualify
to
buy
the
home
and
that
land
is
held
in
trust
through
the
community
land,
trust
so
happy
to
answer
any
questions,
but
we
are
recommending
approval
of
the
resolution.
Thank
you.
T
I
know
that
it's
permanently
affordable,
but
how?
How
does
that
work
does
it?
You
know
how
do
you
manage
when
it's
when
it
changes
hands?
How
is
that
all
I
know
it's
deed
restricted,
but
like
does
that
mean
they?
The
owner
can't
sell
it
for
anything
above
what
they
paid
or
is
there
an
inflation
factor.
Z
So
I
can
try
to
answer
and-
and
I
regret
that
we-
the
executive
director
of
the
abc
lt
land,
trust
they're,
not
here
tonight,
but
I
will
try
to
do
my
best.
So
the
way
the
purchase
price
is
calculated.
Z
Ready,
so
this
is
how
this
works.
It
says
the
home
will
be
sold
to
another
low-income
family
who
will
be
able
to
purchase
it
at
an
affordable
price,
because
the
value
of
the
land
is
retained
by
the
abc
lt
and
the
homeowner
will
take
a
limited
return
on
the
appreciation
of
the
home.
So
the
way
that's
called
kind
of
a
shared
equity
model,
so
they
factor
in
an
appreciation
rate
of
about.
Z
I
think
it's
2.5
percent
2.25
percent,
compounded
annually,
and
so
I
think
the
reason
to
why
we
want
the
abclt
to
sustain
in
our
community
is
that
they're
really
responsible
for
that
attraction
and
to
manage
that
process
when
the
home
is
resold.
So
it's
important
for
them
to
be
a
long-term
partner
with
us.
T
Well,
I
just
I,
I
think
it's
great
that
there's
a
way
for
that
homeowner
to
make
some
some
profit,
I
mean,
I
think,
that
that
is
a
wealth
building,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
that
was
inherent
in
the
agreement.
Thank
you.
Z
Yes,
so
one
lot,
let
me
see,
I
have
my
notes
here.
We
go
the
west
chestnut
street
lot
is
0.14
acres,
so
less
than
a
quarter
acre
one
point
and
then
the
other
lefty
lot
is
.17
acres.
So
very
much
single
family
oriented
lots
at
those
size,
sizes
and
and.
Y
I
was
just
wondering:
how
do
you
go
about
deciding
who
gets
those
lots,
I
mean,
is
it
a
lottery
or
you
know,
how
do
you
choose
the
applicants
or.
Y
I
understand
you
okay
qualifying,
but
I'm
just
wondering
what's
the
process
as
far
as
choosing
who
gets
those
homes
because
that's
to
me
I
think
that's
a
little
important
and
people
in
the
community
need
to
know
because
just
to
make
sure
it's
not
something
that
they're
just
passing
to
friends
or
you
know,
people
that's.
Z
Absolutely-
and
I
would
encourage
if
anyone
is
interested
in
in
that
process,
to
contact
the
abclt
to
become
part
of
that,
because
they
are
working
on
other
homes
that
they
have
as
well
on
qualifying
buyers
and
getting
them
into
that
process.
I
mean
this
is
a
specific
model
that
may
work
for
some
people
and
not
for
others.
So
I
would
encourage
people
to
reach
out
to
the
abclt,
but
I
am
not
I'm
not
quite
sure
exactly
how
their
process
for
qualifying.
Y
So
I
think
they
need
to
put
some
type
of
what
outline
or
you
know
whatever
that
they
use
to
go
by
as
far
as
selecting
the
occupants
for
those
properties.
Z
A
So
I
moved
a
second
all
right.
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
authorizing
the
city
manager
to
donate,
to
city-owned
lots
to
asheville
buncombe
county
community
land
trust
all
those
in
favor.
Oh
wait
do
I
have
notes,
I
don't
have
any
nope
all
those
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
aye,.
B
A
Opposed
okay:
next
we
have
a
resolution
we're
going
to
have
paul
d'angelo.
We
have
a
resolution
authorizing
the
city
manager
to
negotiate
and
enter
into
a
grant
agreement
for
2
million,
with
homeward
bound
in
support
of
the
acquisition
of
the
days
in
located
at
201
tunnel
road
for
permanent
supportive
housing
and
associated
budget
amendment.
Paul
d'angelo
is
back
to
speak
with
us
about
this.
S
Good
evening,
mayor
vice
mayor
city,
council
and
city
management,
paul
d'angelo
again
with
community
development
here
to
talk
about
the
days
in
project
with
homeward
bound
and
a
resolution
authorized
in
the
city
manager
to
negotiate
that
grant
agreement.
Homer
bound
is
proposing
a
permanent
supportive
housing
apartment
project
for
our
homeless
pro
population.
S
The
agency
intends
to
acquire
the
days
in
located
at
201
tunnel
road.
The
motel
sits
on
approximately
2.95
acres
and
contains
128
guest
rooms
in
a
two-story
building.
The
project
will
be
an
adaptive
reuse
of
the
existing
motel
and
create
85
units
of
permanent,
supportive
housing.
Affordable
rental
units
for
people
experiencing
chronic
homelessness
homeward
bound
will
convert
85
of
the
128
rooms
into
permanent
supportive
housing
units
by
adding
small
kitchenettes
to
each
of
those
85
units.
S
The
remaining
units
will
be
converted
to
office
space
for
case
managers,
program
managers,
clinical
staff,
a
permanent,
supportive
housing
director
and
other
agency
staff.
Space
will
also
be
provided
for
community
partners
to
deliver
on-site
supportive
services
directly
to
the
residents
permanent
supportive
housing
is
a
critical
strategy
in
ending
chronic
homelessness
and
a
key
component
of
our
continuum
of
care,
providing
an
exit
from
homelessness
for
people
with
the
most
complex
needs.
The
project
will
create
affordable
housing
in
perpetuity,
with
a
deed
of
trust
and
or
deed
restriction.
S
It's
an
amazing
thing
to
see
how
they're
going
to
transfer
the
transform
those
units
and
to
see
85
units
of
permanent
supportive
housing,
which
is
a
part
of
our
affordable
housing
story,
is,
is
really
exciting
to
see
for
individuals
and
families
below
30,
ami
and
no
suffering
chronic
homelessness,
so
very
excited
to
see
these
85
units.
If
council
agrees,
of
course,.
T
Thank
you,
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
Go
ahead.
Questions
I
noted
paul
that
you
say,
or
the
staff
report
says
homeward
bound
is
seeking
funding
from
the
following
sources.
I
realize
that
we
are
one
of
those,
but
what
happens
if
these
other
three
are
unable
to
or
if
homeward
bound
doesn't
get
that
funding.
S
I
believe
all
the
other
sources
are
committed,
but
going
through
that
process
of
boards
and
commissions
and
final
votes,
but
I
believe
homeward
bound
is
very
confident
that
they'll
be
moving
forward
with
this
property
acquisition
and
those
funding
sources.
T
Okay,
and
then
can
you
distinguish
for
me
this
this
proposal
and
this
sort
of
what
would
they
call
they
call
it
well
anyway,
whatever
this
project
is
called
versus,
a
low
barrier,
shelter.
S
Sure,
and
I'm
not
the
expert
on
the
homeless,
with
the
continuum
of
care,
but
a
permanent
supportive
housing
actually
provides
a
place
for
folks
who
might
have
a
voucher
or
may
not
actually
have
a
place
that
they
call
their
own,
where
there's
the
kitchen
at
the
bathroom,
an
exact
apartment,
but
usually
just
for
a
period
of
time.
For
some
folks.
S
Other
folks
will
be
there
for
many
years
as
they
try
to
transition
and
tradition
into
traditional
housing,
a
low
barrier,
shelter
or
somewhat
like
code
purple
is
more
transitional
transitional
for
our
folks
in
the
most
need
where
they
may
need
time
for
30
or
60
days.
But
it's
part
of
the
whole
continuum
where
you'll
have
individuals
that
are
struggling
with
homelessness.
S
Some
will
be
able
to
go
to
permanent
supportive
housing
and
move
on
to
eventual
their
own
housing.
Others
who
might
have
more
complex
needs
will
need
to
start
with
a
low
barrier,
shelter
to
deal
with
situations
that
they're
involved
in
their
life
and
that
are
affecting
them
critically,
whether
that's
on
mental
health
issues
or
some
type
of
alcohol
or
or
drug
problem
there
that
those
are
identified
at
a
low
barrier
site
for
supportive
housing,
then
they
can
possibly
move
on
to
permanent
supportive
housing
and
then
on
to
actual
a
home
of
their
own.
S
T
S
A
S
O
C
I
would
just
chime
in.
I
think
this
is
the
only.
This
is
the
second
time
I've
seen
a
partnership
between
the
city,
the
county
and
dogwood,
and
I
think
that
is
these
partnerships
are
key
to
the
success
of
all
of
our
housing
programs,
and
I
wanted
to
I
appreciate
what
councilwoman
whistler
was
saying.
This
is
like
one
cog
in
the
wheel
of
getting
people
permanently
housed
and
out
of
dire
situations,
so
I
personally
am
thankful
for
this
project
to
be
in
front
of
us
tonight
and
to
be
moving
forward.
A
D
I'll
make
this
really
short,
the
two
million
dollars
for
the
days
in
project
could
have
been
higher.
If
you
didn't
prioritize
the
police
station,
they
needed
seven
million
altogether,
but
it's
clear
in
a
lot
of
ways
that
you'd
rather
police
their
clients
than
actually
help
them
in
fundamental
ways.
So
my
only
opinion
is
that
you
could
have
given
them
more
money
instead
of
cops.
Thank
you.
A
All
right,
okay,
thank
you.
They
do
have
other
funders,
but
do
do.
We
have
also
the
other
person
sign
up
to
speak
under.
This
is
sherry
warner.
AA
A
So
so
do
they
live
there
to
clarify.
This
is
a
this
facility?
Is
regional
in
nature,
so
someone
if
they
are
experiencing
homelessness
in
henderson
county.
You
know,
theoretically,
they
could
gain
entry
to
this
this
facility,
but
this
is
a
long-term
facility.
This
is
not.
This
is
for
permanent
housing.
So
it's
for
folks
that
are
go
through
homeward-bound.
A
A
G
AA
Well,
I
was
just
thinking
that,
if
homeless
come
from
all
over
town,
that
would
be
a
lot
of
people
just
that
don't
have
a
place
to
live
they're
there
for
services
that
are
just
hanging
around
and
then
there's
a
methadone
clinic
right
down
the
street.
That
causes
a
lot
of
that
to
begin
with.
So
I
wanted
to
make
that
comment,
and
you
answer
the
one
about
how
they
were
going
to
support
themselves
sort
of,
but
they
say
their
expenses
will
be
a
million
214
262
and
their
revenues
will
be
about
the
same.
A
AA
All
right
and
helping
the
homeless
is
not
the
same
as
helping
rent
delinquencies
for
working
people
laid
off
because
business
is
closed
because
of
the
virus.
Is
there
a
way
to
see
how
these
funds
are
being
are
going
to
be
spent.
AB
AB
Yourself,
please
hi,
I'm
meredith
sweitzer
the
executive
director
at
homeward
bound.
I
would
like
to
address
the
questions
that
you
just
had,
and
hopefully
I
can
remember
all
of
them
just
to
articulate
and
to
emphasize
that
this
is
permanent,
supportive
housing.
So
this
is
not
any
type
of
sheltering
model.
It's
going
to
be
very
different
from
other
programs
in
the
community,
ideally
that
individuals
who
will
be
moving
into
this
particular
housing
development
can
stay
there
and
age
in
place.
AB
This
is
a
model
for
those
who
don't
have
other
resources
in
our
community,
those
who
have
been
unsuccessful
because
they
haven't
had
the
supportive
services
that
they've
needed
when
I
say
supportive
services,
I'm
talking
about
food
support,
behavioral
health
support
treatment
services,
things
like
that,
we
will
also
have
on-site
medical
care
for
those
who
are
medically
fragile.
So
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
this
is
again
a
particular
model
for
those
who
have
not
had
success
in
other
models
in
our
community.
AB
It's
85
units
because
we
have,
as
I
think
someone
on
the
council
had
mentioned,
we
will
have
our
the
the
bulk
of
our
staff,
who
are
going
to
move
on
site
to
provide
the
majority
of
those
services.
We
will
also
have
partners.
AB
A
Okay,
all
right,
so
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
we
do
have
a
motion
in
a
second
nothing's
got
more
question
all
right.
Any
further
comment,
all
right,
all
those
in
favor,
please
say
aye.
O
G
A
Opposed
okay,
okay,
now
the
moment
you've
all
been
waiting
for
is
here.
I'm
thinking
what
we
need
to
do
is
take
a
break
and
just
just
breathe.
Don't
don't
everyone
run
away
and
I
want
can,
if
you
would
please
all
those
that
seated,
I
want
to
see
a
couple
people
up
here,
so
we
can
organize
because
we
have,
if
you,
if
you
presented,
if
you
provided
us
with
a
powerpoint
presentation
ahead
of
time-
and
I
think
there's
four
of
you
huddle
up
here.
If
you
ceded
your
time
to
rick
freeman,
that's
fine!
A
I
don't
need
to
see
you
but
rick
wherever
you
are.
I
need
to
see
you
if
you
see
your
time
to
julie
snyder,
I
don't
need
to
see
you,
but
I
need
to
see
julie
and,
if
you
otherwise
and
andrew
you're
gonna,
if
you
could
andrew
fletcher,
if
you
could
come
up
and
anybody
else
who
feels
that
they
represent
a
group,
that
would
be
helpful
to
me
if
you
could
come
up.
So
we
could
just
get
this
list
organized.
A
I
got
five
pages
and
probably
they've
got
another
page
or
something
do
they
have
another
page?
Okay.
Okay,
all
right,
so,
let's
take
a
break
for
let's
take
a
break
for
10,
15,
15,
15
minutes
and
all
those
other
people
huddle
up
here
with
me
and
let's
figure
out
how
we're
going
to
do
this.
A
A
We
are
really
appreciate,
and
and
before
we
do,
that
we
are
going
to
acknowledge
our
assistant
city
manager,
richard
white,
who
I'm
calling
out
if
you'd
stand
up
richard.
AC
AC
I
gave
the
council
a
very
detailed
presentation
at
your
last
meeting,
so
I'm
happy
to
say
this
will
not
be
as
many
slides.
It
will
actually
be
much
much
fewer
slides,
but
I
do
want
to
go
over
a
couple
of
things
that
I
think
are
important
in
the
ordinance
and
probably
things
that
will
come
up
as
topics
tonight
so
and
I'm
I'm
gonna
over
the
next
two
slides.
I'm
gonna
address
eight
topics.
These
are
the
principle.
Eight
topics
that
came
up
during
the
public
engagement.
AC
So
again,
I
just
want
to
show
counsel
each
of
those
topics
and,
what's
proposed
by
staff
and
the
draft
ordinance
to
address
those
topics.
So
one
thing
that
we
have
a
lot
of
in
is
construction.
Construction
in
the
city
of
asheville
is
limited
to
certain
hours.
That's
7
am
to
7
pm
monday
through
saturday.
AC
If
construction
occurs
outside
of
those
hours,
it
needs
an
app
what's
called
an
after
hours
permit.
That
remains
in
place
for
this
ordinance.
However,
if
construction
does
create
a
noise
issue,
there
are
increased
penalties
that
can
be
levied
to
remedy
that
situation.
So
again,
the
penalties,
such
as
increased
fines
and
stop
work,
orders
could
be
applicable.
AC
Garbage
collection
is
a
big
thing
that
comes
up
a
lot
too.
We've
heard
a
lot
about
that
and
this
is
primarily
front
end
loaders
they're.
What
tend
to
make
the
noise
staff
is
proposing
some
limited
hours
of
operation
in
in
and
near
residential
districts,
and
tonight,
when
I
say
residential
districts
to
be
clear,
I
mean
residential
zoning
districts,
which
is
different
than
a
residential
use.
That
perhaps
is
in
a
mixed
use
area
like
the
cbd.
AC
So
in
residential
districts
there
are
additional
limited
hours
of
operation.
Exhaust
revan
always
seems
to
be
an
issue
in
asheville.
That
is
something
that's
already
enforceable,
and
the
apd
will
will
take
the
primary
role
in
refor
enforcing
that
when
it
occurs,
commercial,
industrial
equipment
is
another
thing
that
we've
talked
a
lot
about
during
this
process.
AC
The
ordinance
is
introducing
decimal
levels
for
the
city
of
asheville,
so
we
are
proposing
to
regulate
commercial
and
industrial
equipment
through
decibel
levels.
However,
and
you
can
see
on
the
slide
there
is
we
recommending,
I
hate
the
word
penalty,
but
we're
recommending
an
adjustment
we'll
call
it,
but
basically
because
of
the
nature
of
equipment
sound
because
it
creates
a
pure
tone
or
a
continuous
sound.
It
needs
to
be
handled
differently
than
typical.
AC
Next
slide,
you
can
see
over
amplification
again
this.
The
ordinance
proposes
decimal
levels
to
deal
with
not
only
over
amplification
of
music,
but
for
anything
for
that
matter.
So
again,
we'll
show
a
slide
in
a
second
but
previously
or
historically,
asheville
has
not
had
decibel
levels.
Many
cities
do
so.
This
is
the
introduction
of
decibel
levels
to
address
commercial,
sound
in
asheville
and
real
quick
clarification
just
want
to
make
sure
everybody
understands.
That's
sound
that
originates
from
commercially
zoned
property.
AC
So
we'll
talk
about
this
in
a
second.
If
sound
is
occurring
in
public
space,
such
as
a
public
park,
a
right
of
way,
things
of
that
nature,
it's
subject
to
the
noise
disturbance,
standard
and
I'll
show
you
a
slide
in
a
second
that
kind
of
lays
that
out
again,
fireworks.
Fireworks
have
been
a
big
topic
for
us
right
now.
There
is
really
just
an
across-the-board
exemption
for
legal
fireworks,
and
I
always
want
to
make
sure
I'll
be
clear
that
legal
fireworks
are
fireworks
that
are
conducted
under
a
permit
from
the
fire
marshal's
office.
AC
Illegal
fireworks
are
a
different
topic
outside
of
the
scope
of
the
noise
ordinance,
but
for
legal
fireworks
we
are
proposing
to
limit
the
number
of
fireworks
shows
in
mccormick
field
to
12
shows
per
year
on
fridays
and
saturdays
that
end
no
later
than
11
30
p.m,
and
that
is
in
addition
to
the
fireworks
shows
that
can
occur
on
federally
recognized
holidays.
Does.
AC
That
yeah
good
good
question.
Yes,
the
the
what
the
ordinance
says
is
that
you
can
have
up
to
12
shows
other
than
federal
holidays
that
can
can
occur
on
the
friday
or
the
saturday,
so
it
can
occur
in
either
one
of
those
twos,
but
no
instance
over
the
course
of
a
year
can
exceed
12
outside
of
federal
holidays.
AC
Residential
neighbors
will
actually.
The
majority
of
noise
complaints
occurs
in
in
residential
settings
between
residential
property
owners
or
occupants.
We
are
proposing
to
use
the
noise
disturbance
standard
to
address
residential
noise
complaints.
That
happens
a
lot
of
times
in
multi-family
apartments
areas
that
may
not
have
air
conditioning,
for
example,
so
windows
are
open.
AC
AC
AD
AC
AC
Yes,
you
know
if
I
can,
if
I
can
get
back
to
that
in
that
slide,
I'll,
give
you
a
good
answer
on
that
and
then
finally,
dogs
and
animal
noise
barking
noise
is
now
also
handled
by
dsd,
so
we're
on
that
one
too
that'll
be
handled
in
the
animal
services
ordinance
and
there's
already
some
provisions
in
place
to
do
that.
AC
AC
Just
just
want
to
reiterate,
just
want
to
kind
of
make
sure
everybody
is
clear
on
what
applies
where
if
the
sound
originates,
so
it
really
matters
where
it
comes
from
if
it
originates
from
public
space,
which
is
land
owned
by
the
city,
and
it's
defined
that
way
right
of
way
or
in
residential
zoning
districts.
It's
subject
to
the
noise
disturbance
standard
if
the
sound
originates
in
a
cbd,
commercial
or
industrial
districts,
which
is
everything
except
residential,
it's
subject
to
a
decibel
standard,
an
objective
standard.
AC
So
this
is
this
is
so
the
one
thing
that
every
everybody
in
this
room
agrees
on
is
that
they
don't
disagree
or
that
they
don't
agree
on
this
table.
So
that
is
the
I'll
say
that
the
one
thing
they
agree
on
is
they
don't
agree
on
this
table?
So
there
there's.
You
know
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
discussion
over
decibels.
I
want
to
say:
staff
has
worked
in
good
faith
to
try
to
find
balance
in
these
decimals
and
our
recommendations.
AC
AC
So
in
that
blue
text,
you
see
what
public
safety
recommended
at
their
meeting
earlier
this
year.
The
black
text
that
has
a
strike
through
through
it
is
the
original
staff
recommendation.
So
what
you're
able
to
see
on
this
slide
is
the
difference
in
public
safety's
recommendation
versus
the
staff
recommendation,
and
we
just
want
to
be
upfront
and
make
sure
everybody
can
see
those
differences
that
exist
in
the
decimal
levels.
AC
The
other
piece
that
I
want
to
make
sure
that
everybody
understands
is
the
public
safety,
so
there's
a
daytime
night
time
so
at
night
time
the
death
tolls
drop
and
you're,
assuming
that
things
get
quieter
at
night
time.
The
public
safety
recommendation
has
night
time
as
beginning
at
11
pm
monday
through
thursday
and
12
a.m
so
midnight
on
friday
and
saturday.
AC
The
staff
recommendation
has
night
time,
beginning
at
10
p.m,
monday
through
thursday
and
11
p.m,
on
friday
and
saturday.
So
there's
our
difference
in
the
time
between
public
safety's
recommendation
and
staff's
recommendation
as
well.
The
last
thing
I
want
to
draw
your
attention
to
the
red
font
you
see
on
that
chart.
AC
If,
if
the
council
decides
to
move
forward
with
a
public
safety
decimal
recommendation,
staff
would
ask
you
to
consider
including
a
penalty
is
or
a
subtraction
of
decibels
when
that
is
measured
in
a
residential
district.
To
make
sure
we
provide
some
sound
level
protection
in
residential
districts
and
again,
when
I
say
district,
I
mean
a
zoning
district,
not
a
land
use
again.
The
red,
the
red
font
or
the
red
text
is
just
something
that
we
would
recommend
council.
Consider
if
you
decide
tonight,
to
move
forward
with
the
public
safety
recommendations.
AC
AC
Correct
that's
correct
and
just
to
be
clear
again
one
and
I'm
glad
you
said
that
it's
an
average.
So
it's
not
it's
not
just
because
the
meter
hits
78
one
time.
That's
not
the
decibel.
It
averages
over
a
minute,
so
it
takes
the
peaks
and
the
lows
and
the
highs.
And
then
we
measure
where
we
get
the
complaint
where
the
sound's
received.
So
we
don't,
we
don't
go
stand
on
somebody's
sidewalk
outside
the
front
door.
We
go
to
where
the
complaint
comes
from.
AC
Yep,
so
that's
a
that's
a
good
question,
so
in
a
way
to
look
at
that,
is
that
the
nature
of
mechani
or
mechanic
or
the
nature
of
continuous,
sound
or
pure
tone?
Is
that
it's
constant
so
it
can
have,
it
can,
have
you
know,
effects
on
people
because
it
never
goes
away.
So
it's
a
sound,
that's
constant
and
and
24
7.
AC
if
we
use
if
we
set
decibel
measurements
or
decimal
levels,
excuse
me
to
deal
with
sound
typical,
sound
throughout
the
city,
so
whatever
that
may
be
sound,
that's
emanating
from
businesses,
that's
more
typical.
It
probably
fluctuates
in
decibel
levels
in
times
of
days.
Those
would
never
be
at
a
level
that
you
could
properly
address
continuous,
sound
or
pure
sound.
AC
F
H
I've
had
conversations
with,
I
live
in
kenneworth,
and
so
I
have
neighbors,
especially
on
the
westernmost
portion
of
kenworth
and
from
I
believe,
is
mission.
Not
quite
sure
there
is
a
constant
mechanical
sound.
So
I
took
a
stroll
at
seven
in
the
evening,
drove
by
again
three
three
thirty
and
then
I
took
a
walk
at
4
30
in
the
morning.
I
will
say
the
time
at
4
30
in
the
morning
would
be
unbearable
for
me.
H
AC
Yeah,
if
you
did
57
57,
that's
that's
correct.
If
you
did
57,
you
took
the
5
decibel
continuous,
sound
subtraction
that
gets
you
to
52..
So
if
that
were
changed
to
seven
decibels,
for
example,
it
would
get
you
to
50..
I
would
just
comment
generally
that
I
I
think
in
addressing
continuous
sound.
You
can
probably
look
at
a
lower
decimal
level.
Overall,
I
don't
believe
staff's
recommendation
would
be.
I
don't
think
we
want
to
set
something
like
45
to
try
to
address
typical,
sound
in
the
city.
AC
AC
AC
AE
C
AC
AF
H
AC
H
H
AC
You
could
do
that
yep,
then
that
would
that
would
it
because
the
continuous
sound
subtraction
it
applies.
All
the
time
and
and
you're
right
like
sound,
is
more
noticeable.
The
later
you
get
at
night
and
not
everybody,
but
a
lot
of
people
sleep
at
that
time
of
night,
and
we
understand
not
everybody
does.
But
yes,
if
you,
if
you
did
that,
if
you
took
the
same
approach
for
a
commercial,
you
would
get
that
into
the
40s
correct
for
that
late
night
period.
T
AC
It
varies
by
the
area
of
the
city
and
and
actually
we
in
the
staff
report
and
I'm
going
to
try
to
summarize
this.
We
actually
link
to
some
readings.
We've
done
and
some
averages
and
real
quickly.
We've
actually
even
worked
with
the
cousin
engineer
on
some
modeling
data
about
asheville's
just
kind
of
ambient
sound.
So
if
you'll
give.
AC
But
the
ranges
go
from
50
to
about
60..
So
I
would.
I
would
submit
that
in
asheville,
unless
you're
standing
in
the
middle
of
a
really
quiet
residential
area,
where
there's
nothing
around,
we
tend
to
have
ambient
noise
around
50
or
a
little
bit
higher.
Now
granted.
I
haven't
done
enough.
4
a.m,
reconnaissance
yet,
but
that
that
is,
you
know
between
7
a.m
and
11
p.m.
Midnight
those
are
the
kind
of
ambient
sounds
you're
going
to
find
in
asheville.
C
Can
I
ask
a
follow-up
question
then,
because
I
also
attended
the
noise.
I
don't
know
what
you
called
it
today.
U
C
AC
So
what
you
have
what
you
have
to
do
like
the
process
that
we
have
to
use
the
staff
is,
we
usually
have
to
go
out
there
and
try
to
get
decimal
readings
when
the
activity
is
occurring,
and
then
we
have
to
go
back
at
a
different
time,
and
we
do
this
and
then
go
get
a
act
get
a
reading
when
there
is
no
activity
when
there
is
just
the
ambient
sound.
So
what
we're
really
trying
to
do
in
terms
of
managing
this
is:
what's
the
ambient
sound?
AC
AC
So,
moving
on
to
another
another
topic
and
councilman
smith,
your
questions
earlier,
so
there
are
decimal
levels
and
they
presumably
will
get
decided
tonight.
There
are
things
that
will
exceed
those
decimal
levels
and
that's:
okay.
There
needs
to
be
a
path
to
allow
any
any
event
organization,
business
whatever
it
might
be,
to
exceed
those
decimal
levels,
and
this
is
what
that
path
looks
like.
It
basically
creates
three
types
of
exceedance
permits
the
first
one
is
going
to
be
over
the
over
the
counter
you
over
the
over
the
digital
counter.
AC
That
is
super
easy,
we're
just
asking
you
to.
Let
us
know
you're
going
to
exceed
the
decimal
levels,
so
we
can
get
prepared
for
all
the
calls
we
may
get
later.
That
day.
Also
asking
that
you
provide
notice
to
your
neighbors
try
to
be
a
good
neighbor
that
can
have
a
super
low
charge.
I
can
have
no
charge.
That's
really!
That's
almost
just
like
a
registration,
everybody
can
have
access
to
that
for
a
non-profit,
fundraiser
or
whatever
they
want
to
do.
AC
The
next
tier
is
three
to
eight
events
and
that
again
we're
asking
for
you
to
get
the
permit.
The
venue
or
the
location,
whatever
it
may
be
and
provide
us
what's
called
a
sound
impact
plan.
That's
something
you
you
can
do
as
the
person
pulling
the
permit,
so
we're
asking
which
way
your
speakers
facing,
for
example,
are
you
facing
your
speakers
towards
the
neighbor,
or
are
you
facing
back
towards
the
street
where
the
commercial
is?
So
it's
just
a
series
of
things.
We
ask
you
to
take
a
look
at
it
before
you.
AC
AC
Many
of
their
concerts
at
times
will
not
exceed
the
base
decimal
levels
some
will
when
they
do,
they
would
be
subject
to
this
permit,
and
that
requires
again
the
permit
the
sound
impact
plan
and,
in
that
case,
we're
asking
them
to
have
a
professional,
sound
engineer,
prepare
that
impact
plan.
So
we're
asking
for
a
deeper
look
at
the
impacts
they
have
on
their
neighbors
and
other
offices,
businesses
whatever
it
may
be.
But
again
you
don't
get
into
that
professional
guidance
or
participation
in
that
plan
or
that
permitting
until
you
get
nine
or
more
events.
T
AG
AC
Yep
councilwoman
smith
will
have
to
identify
the
event
and
yeah
and
and
also
there's
a
notification.
You
have
to
require
notice
to
your
neighbors,
so
you
have
to,
and
most
a
lot
of
our
venues
actually
already
do
that
anyways.
But
it's
just
a
process
where
you
have
to
identify
the
event
in
advance
provide
times.
You
know,
when's
it
going
to
end
when's
it
going
to
start
and
give
notice
to
your
neighbors
ahead
of
time.
AC
So-
and
one
last
thing
to
touch
on
on
this-
that
I
want
the
council
just
to
be
aware
of
right
now-
outdoor
performance,
centers
and
again,
that's
not
just
music.
It's
any
outdoor
performance
center.
It's
basically
really
allowed
almost
anywhere
in
the
city.
So
we
would
also
recommend
that
council
address
that
and
probably
create
some
zoning
standards
that
relate
to
where
these
things
are
located,
to
try
to
avoid
any
potential
issues
in
terms
of
land
use
compatibility.
AC
So
my
last
my
last
slide
tonight
and
this
took
longer
than
I
thought
it
was
I'm
sorry,
but
we
are
we're
going
to
leave
you
with
a
couple
thoughts
if,
if
the
council
decides
to
move
forward
with
public
safeties,
because
really
the
biggest
difference
in
the
staff
recommendation
in
the
public
safety
is
basically
just
the
decimal
levels.
So
if
the
council
decides
to
move
forward
to
the
public
safety
recommendation,
we
would
ask
you
to
consider
to
consider
a
sound
reduction
added
to
when
we're
in
residential
zoning
districts.
AC
Measuring
if
you
do
not
move
forward
with
the
public
safety
recommendation
or
if
you
choose
to
go
another
route,
then
I
just
want
to
remind
you
that
you'll
need
to
address
that
eight
decimal,
sound
level
reduction.
That's
currently
in
there,
so
you
gotta,
you
gotta,
make
the
math
work
on
that
to
be
whole
and
the
last
thing
is:
we
need
to
pick
an
effective
date
of
this.
We
don't
have
a
date,
so
you'll
have
to
pick
that
tonight.
AC
As
part
of
your
your
motion,
if
you
make
a
motion,
we
need
at
least
30
days.
We
aren't
prepared
to
to
do
anything
with
this
for
at
least
30
we're
still
hiring
staff
and
and
things
of
that
nature.
So
I
would
ask
that
we
make
it
effective,
no
sooner
than
let's
say
like
september
1st,
for
example-
and
that
concludes
my
presentation.
H
C
AC
60
would
feel
better
because
it
would
probably
let
because
I
mean
literally
right
now.
Let
us
get
some
staff
help
in
and,
and
you
know,
and
get
get
we
got
to
get
a
permit
built,
there's
just
things
that
we
need
to
do
that
we
haven't
done
yet.
So
I'm
trying
to
be
open
to
the
community.
I
know
there's
a
lot
of
opinions
on
when
this
shooter
shouldn't
be
effective.
AC
C
You
actually
just
brought
up
a
point
that
I'm
curious
about,
and
I
know
that
this
presentation
has
been
given
for
years,
and
I
appreciate
all
of
your
hard
and
dedicated
and
very
diplomatic
work
on
this.
You've
done
a
great
job.
I
what
happened
to
the
trial
period?
What
was
our
thinking
on
at
one
point?
There
was
this
idea
that
we
would
implement
something,
but
we
wouldn't
be
punitive
or
permitting.
We
would
just
watch
it
and
then
come
back
and
reconvene,
but
we're
now
foregoing
that
for
an
implementation,
implementation
and
possible
come
back.
AC
I
think
the
early
on
in
these
negotiations,
when
staff
pulled
stakeholders
together
to
try
to
get
consensus
and
we
did
and
I'll
give
credit
to
all
the
stakeholders,
everybody
in
good
faith
in
those
meetings
tried
to
make
this
work.
There
was
kind
of
a
general
agreement
to
have
this
kind
of
trial
period.
I
think
I
think
opinions
have
changed
on
that
at
this
point.
You'll
probably
hear
more
of
that
tonight,
but
I'm
not
sure
everybody's
on
the
same
page
about
when
it
should
be
effective
or
not.
I
This
is
kim,
can
we
go
back
to
the
slide?
We
don't
agree
on
number
five
slide
number
five.
I
Top
of
the
list,
I
know
that
I
missed
something
in
the
two
years
of
reviewing
this
noise
ordinance
and
I'm
so
glad
for
the
public
engagement,
because
I
missed
this.
Can
you
speak
to
if
folks
are
holding
a
demonstration
or
a
protest
or
a
rally
and
how?
AC
So
there
is
no
changes
to
a
protest
or
a
rally.
They
are
treated
as
a
noise
disturbance
standard
and
they
have
been
for
at
least
20
years,
because
we've
had
this
ordinance
for
20
years.
They
will
continue
to
be
treated
as
a
noise
disturbance
standard.
AC
AC
So
we
have,
we
have
added
a
a
a
amplification
limit
in
proximity
to
those
land
uses,
but
other
than
that
there
is
no
difference.
If
so,
if
there's
a
protest
in
pack
square
today,
it's
subject
to
the
noise
disturbance
standard.
If
this
is
adopted,
it
will
also
be
subject
to
the
noise
of
serpent
standard.
I
I
I
hear
the
economic
impact.
According
to
the
asheville
area,
arts
council,
as
of
2019,
our
arts
industry
represents
1.6
billion
dollars
in
revenue
with
over
fourteen
thousand
jobs
in
asheville
and
buncombe
county.
I'm
someone
who
lives
in
close
proximity
to
commercial
and
industrial
noise.
The
neighborhood
concerns
remind
us.
Well,
thanks
to
the
46
neighbors
and
groups
like
can
who
have
engaged
around
these
issues
with
noise
and
residential
neighborhoods.
I
While
I
appreciate
our
effort
to
prioritize
a
staff
response
through
development
services
and
beyond
policing,
which
is
currently
the
only
response
to
our
noise
complaints,
I
do
have
concerns
about
staffing
capacity.
If
we
have
too
strict
an
ordinance,
though
we
might
not
be
able
to
meet
our
own
expectations
or
those
of
our
neighbors
with
excessive
noise
in
our
neighborhoods.
I
Additionally,
as
this
level
is
recommended
here
from
public
safety,
those
are
airing
on
the
side
of
caution.
The
city
of
asheville
historically
has
seen
the
racial
discrimination
discriminatory
practice
impact
of
impacting
our
policies
on
black
brown
and
poor
people.
For
example,
I
think
of
myself.
I'm
a
classically
trained
piano
player.
If
I'm
blasting
chopin's
not
turning
e
flat
at
90
decibels,
will
it
get
the
same
complaints
if
my
neighbor
is
performing
or
djing,
or
even
playing
recordings
of
music
in
their
neighborhood?
A
Okay,
do
we
ben
first
of
all
I
just
want,
can
we
all
just
bend.
H
H
I
did
have
something
I
wanted
to
share
regarding
the
east
end
neighborhood.
H
See
anyone
okay
from
the
east
end.
Sorry
about
that.
I
also
had
the
opportunity
to
speak
with
the
chair
of
the
easton
valley,
street
neighborhood
association
and
that's
the
neighborhood
I
grew
up
in
and
the
reason
I'm
singling
them
out
is
because
in
the
draft
ordinance
there
is
a
specific
exception
for
fireworks,
specifically
mccormick
field.
This
is
actually
a
feel-good
story,
because
the
members
of
the
east
end
association
were
highly
appreciative
of,
and
had
great
things
to
say
about
the
tourists
as
their
neighbors.
H
There
is
concern,
however,
regarding
the
fireworks
being
on
consecutive
evenings,
to
show
you
how
we
got
here
originally,
I
believe
now
there
is
no
limit
on
fireworks.
The
tourists
requested
12
easton
said
eight,
but
because
they're
such
good
neighbors,
they
said.
Okay,
we
can
go
to
twelve
if
we
cannot
have
them
consecutive.
H
So
I
want
to
bring
that
to
the
council's
full
attention,
because
it
is
my
intention
to
offer
an
amended
motion
that
captures
that
community
and
it
should
be
known,
occurs
too,
because
of
course,
it's
the
community
right
behind.
So
it's
my
intention
to
offer
an
amended
motion
that
captures
that
desire.
C
I
So
if
you
had
a
national
holiday
on
thursday,
you
wouldn't
have.
H
AH
H
So
it
if
we
want
to
really
get
into
weeds,
it's
section
10-86
exception
subparagraph,
eight
I'll
read
the
whole
thing
sound
emanating
from
lawfully
permitted
fireworks
displays
occurring
in
the
celebration
of
federally
recognized
holidays
or
emanating
from
mccormick
field
between
10
a.m
and
11
30
p.m.
Friday
and
saturday,
provided
that
the
sound
caused
by
the
fireworks
display
occurs
no
more
than
12
10
minute
periods
within
a
single
12
month
period.
My
proposal
will
change
the
words
and
to
or
between
friday,
and
hopefully
saturday
that
would
be
the
proposal.
A
Okay,
okay,
so
so
I
didn't
want
to
just
thank
ben
for
all
of
his
work
on
here,
but
I
think
it's
important
to
note,
and
I
think
we
had
a
comment
earlier
about
the
city's
efforts
to
reach
out
to
the
community
before
drafting
something,
and
in
this
case
you
know,
you've
done
an
incredible
job.
It's
been
a
couple
of
years
process.
If
you,
if
you
yourself
talked
with
ben,
maybe
raise
your
hand
tell
us.
A
I
know
he
reached
out
to
a
lot
of
people
and
a
lot
of
people
reached
out
to
him
and
he
managed
to
talk
to
them.
So
we
really
appreciate
that.
I
know
it's
a
lot
of
hard
work
and
I
we
were
talking
today
about
how
maybe
there
is
a
reason
that
asheville's
previous
ordinance,
as
is
a
subjective
standard,
but
but
here
we
are
trying
to
move
away
from
that.
So
I
did.
A
A
Different
groups
that
have
an
interest
in
this
issue,
so
I
really
appreciate
that
so.
AC
A
Thank
you,
and-
and
we
do
this
really
is
time-consuming
for
the
city.
We
do.
I
think
ben
said
to
us
that
we
get
about
2
000
noise
complaints
a
year,
so
in
a
town
of
93
000.
That's
you
know,
that's
a
lot
of
that's
a
lot
of
complaining.
So
so
hopefully,
hopefully
this
will
help
okay.
So
here's
what
we're
going
to
try
to
do.
As
I
mentioned
before,
we,
we
keep
our
comments
on
each
agenda
item
to
one
hour.
A
We
are
going
to
try
to
do
that,
and
so
thank
you
for
meeting
with
me
up
here.
We're
going
to
begin
with.
There
are
several
groups
represented
here
and
several
of
them
have
also
provided
their
own
presentations.
So
the
way
it
works
is
if
you're
speaking
for
a
group
and
people
have
ceded
their
time
to
you.
A
Those
people
can't
speak
that
have
seated
their
time,
but
the
speaker
representing
the
group
can
speak
for
up
to
10
minutes.
So
here's
the
order,
we're
gonna
start
and
I'm
trying
to
like
you
know,
go
back
and
forth
here,
but
the
order
is
going
to
begin
with
the
coalition
of
asheville
neighborhoods.
They
have
a
speaker,
rick
freeman.
A
They
will
go
first
and
I
understand
they
have
a
presentation
and
oh,
no,
that's
not
not
yet.
The
second
speaker
will
be
andrew
fletcher
on
behalf
of
amp,
also
a
presentation
there.
A
The
fourth
speaker
will
be
charles
beck
on
behalf
of
the
aston
homeowners.
The
fifth
speaker
will
be
the
representative
of
orange
peel,
which
was
fluctuating
slightly.
It
was
jeff
santiago,
but
maybe
it's
pat
wayland,
you
guys
will
decide
before
we
get
to
you
and
then
six
was
john
smith.
This
is
the
neighborhood
around
planned
parenthood
representing
the
neighborhood
around
planned
parenthood,
and
then
I
had
seventh,
I
had
garrett
woodward
speaking
on
behalf
of
journalists.
A
Seventh,
so
those
are
the
groups
that
came
up
and
identified
themselves
that
had
a
speaker.
They
wanted
to
put
forward
again
there
and
you
would.
A
Yes,
we
we
yeah
hold
on
one
second,
so
then,
after
that
we'll
see
if
we
have
any
more
time
and
if
we
do
we'll
start
to
try
to
work
through
work
through
this
through
this
list,
although
I
suspect
we'll
be
getting
pretty
close,
pretty
close
to
time
so
the
way
way
we
do
our
agenda.
If
it's
a
public
hearing
item,
we
have
to
do
the
public
hearing
and
then
we
hear
the
motion.
But
if
it's
not
a
public
hearing
item,
we
have
to
have
a
motion
and
then
we
hear
comment.
AD
I
A
Okay,
so
we
have
a
so
just
to
get
this
robert's
rules
in
this,
so
we
have
a
motion
for
the
staff
recommendation
with
the
modification
regarding
fireworks.
A
And
the
con
and
well
that's
in
the
staff
recommendation,
so
I
don't
think
that
it
yes
and
then
our
vice
mayor
seconded
that
we
have
a
motion
to
amend
the
motion
by
councilman
rooney
for
the
public.
C
Ms
rooney,
I
would
second
that
if
it
included
the
minus
eight
that
staff
suggested
she's.
F
C
F
A
A
A
A
That's
the
one
I
was
talking
about,
okay,
so
to
begin
we
will
hear
from
mr
rick
freeman,
representing
coalition
of
asheville
neighborhoods.
I
assume
your
presentation
is
on
there
somewhere.
I.
B
I
AI
X
X
X
X
X
X
X
X
X
Numbers
for
one
moment,
let's
focus
on
commercial
districts
and
the
residents
that
live
nearby,
think
of
merriman
tunnel,
charlotte
street
hendersonville,
road,
sweden,
creek,
etc,
etc,
etc.
So
much
of
the
conversation
has
been
about
what
happens
in
the
central
business
district.
You
need
to
look
at
how
ranging
these
high
numbers
will
go
up
and
down
into
all
these
little
pockets
of
commercial
districts
that,
if
the
property
changes,
hand
from
a
bakery
to
some
other
sound
producing,
business
residents
will
suffer.
X
According
to
city
statistics,
between
eight
thousand
and
nine
thousand
asheville
residents
live
next
to
commercial
districts.
These
are
working
people,
we're
not
talking
about
the
richest,
we're
not
talking
about
the
most
expensive
houses
in
town.
These
are
people
who
work
and
who
have
kids
and
they
need
to
be
able
to
sleep
in
order
to
do
their
jobs
and
to
learn
in
two
years
of
collaboration
with
multiple
organizations
and
the
city.
X
No
one
has
ever
challenged
the
world
health
organization
guidelines
that
45
decibels
at
night
in
a
residential
district
allows
people
to
sleep
effectively,
you've
heard
from
ben
that
they
have
some
measurements
and
they
have
a
model
that
talks
about.
Sometimes
50
sometimes
60..
Let's
not
confuse
those
ambient
levels
in
commercial
districts
with
those
that
are
in
residential
the
model
that
they
have
city
selected,
the
highest
level
of
model
for
a
prediction
of
ambien
and
dr
eikelheimer
can
explain
that
to
you.
X
X
X
Remember
those
eight
to
nine
thousand
asheville
working
families,
allowing
for
sure
the
75
decibel
daytime
to
run
until
11
o'clock
at
night,
even
the
lower
ones,
that
we
recommend
to
run
that
late,
just
plain
get
in
the
way
of
people
being
able
to
sleep
and
sleep
leads
to
long-term
disease.
It's
proven
science.
X
AK
X
X
X
Yes,
that
means
rabbit
rabbit
would
have
to
work
to
do
mitigation,
but
we've
talked
with
them
an
infinite
number
of
times,
and
their
desire
to
be
good
neighbors
is
is
pure
and
I
believe
it
so
they
would
mitigate,
but
they
don't
need
85
decibels.
These
measurements
prove
it.
Look
at
the
facts,
use
the
facts
in
making
your.
X
X
X
But
during
during
during
during
our
discussion
with
rabbit
rabbit
and
the
orange
peel,
they
said
numerous
times
that,
in
an
effort
to
be
a
good
neighbor,
they
would
gladly
limit
their
performances
to
end
at
10
pm.
They
didn't
originally
ask
for
this.
That's
on
the
record,
so
I
would
urge
you
to
move
performance
center
times
back
to
10
pm
and
beyond.
This
ben
brought
it
up.
We
need
to
deal
with
zoning,
so
performance
centers,
don't
go
everywhere.
X
A
You,
okay,
all
right
guys.
We
got
a
long
night
here
potentially
so,
let's
just
you
know,
okay
sheesh,
all
right,
I
mean
okay,
so
this
is
my
if
you,
if
you
like,
you
know
like
what
they're
saying
and
you
don't
like
what
they're
saying.
No,
that's
good,
okay!
So
next
up
is
andrew,
fletcher
speaking
on
behalf
of
amp,
and
you
know
I
should
have
done
this
before.
Can
people
can
you
raise
your
hand
and
just
sort
of
identify
for
us?
A
AL
AL
Good
evening
marin,
council,
my
name
is
andrew
fletcher.
I
am
the
delegated
presenter
for
amp
the
asheville
music
professionals,
where
I've
served
as
a
board
member
for
the
past
three
years.
My
work
on
the
noise
ordinance
has
involved
just
about
every
one
of
the
many
hats
I
wear
in
asheville
early
on
my
role
as
an
advocate
with
the
asheville
buskers
collective
gave
me
the
opportunity
to
provide
feedback
and
guidance
to
city
staff,
though
I'm
not
speaking
on
behalf
nor
representing
the
views
of
these
commissions.
AL
Today,
I
have
offered
input
and
heard
reports
on
the
proposed
ordinance
as
a
commissioner
on
the
downtown
commission
and
as
vice
chair
of
the
public
art
and
cultural
commission.
As
a
busking
advocate,
I
am
well-versed
in
the
first
amendment
and
freedom
of
speech,
issues
at
play
with
this
and
have
consulted
legal
advice
which
back
up
my
conclusions.
AL
I
am
a
sound
professional
by
merit
of
being
a
professional
musician
of
more
than
a
decade
with
over
a
thousand
performances
in
asheville
alone,
and
most
of
my
survival
in
this
city
has
been
due
to
the
are
flourishing
music
industry.
As
a
musician,
I'm
a
small
business
owner
and
as
well
as
one
of
the
hundreds
of
full-time
musicians
in
the
area,
I'm
also
a
resident
of
the
weekend
neighborhood
on
clingman
avenue,
and
I
live
a
hundred
yards
from
a
major
music
venue.
As
a
performer,
I
make
music
as
a
resident.
AL
AL
I
have
to
say
I'm
really
really
glad
that
I'm
not
giving
this
presentation
to
the
hoa
of
a
gated
community
in
boca
raton
florida
right
now,
you're
the
city
council
of
asheville
north
carolina.
This
is
the
best
little
music
city
in
the
southeast.
We've
got
more
talent
per
capita
in
this
city
than
the
entire
usa.
AL
You've
got
a
responsibility
to
keep
that
going
and
you're
accountable
for
your
effect
on
our
industry
we've.
Given
you
our
best
advice,
we've
compromised
compromised
on
the
way
and
that's
what
you
want
community
partners
like
us
to
do.
We've
done
it.
We've
been
trustworthy.
We
hope
you
are
too
now
it's
up
to
you
to
vote.
AL
AL
The
potential
equity
concerns
are
real,
and
this
public
review
process
is
part
of
what
can
mitigate
those
concerns
by
bringing
those
factors
in
a
public
way.
Of
course,
there's
more
to
do
in
that
department
and
everything
the
city
does.
This
is
a
positive
step
and
we
just
heard
some
really
extraordinary
claims
going
around,
but
health
consequences
of
noise,
but
you
know
we
haven't
really
seen
any
extraordinary
evidence
to
back
those
up.
In
fact,
there
are
health
benefits
to
music.
AL
AL
AL
AL
AL
AL
Moreover,
according
to
johns
hopkins
60
db
is
normal
conversation
and
80
to
90
db
is
safe.
So,
as
you
can
see,
we're
not
advocating
for
unhealthy
amount
of
noise,
but
can
is
advocating
for
an
unreasonable
regulation
that
would
render
a
normal
conversation
on
a
back
porch
between
neighbors
to
be
a
violation
of
a
noise
ordinance.
We
can't
go
there,
you
shouldn't
take
us
there
and
here's
what
you
risk
if
you
get
it
wrong.
AL
8
000
jobs
just
in
the
music
industry
or
supported
by
it.
Thirty
three
million
dollars
in
generated
tax
revenue,
a
high
growth
industry
quadruple
over
expectations,
the
j,
it's
the
envy
of
other
cities
across
the
country.
Ninety
six
million
dollars
in
labor
income
goes
to
folks
like
me,
and
us
in
the
audience:
384
million
dollar
port
part
of
the
pie
as
far
as
the
gross
regional
product.
That's
the
contribution,
that's
what
you
risk!
AL
AL
The
staff
report
showing
the
three
proposals,
the
destroying
the
proposals
are,
there's
actually
incomplete,
because
we
know
that
there
were
people
that
wanted
a
higher
decibel
rating
mission
hospital
very
much
for-profit
corporation
and
asheville
independent
restaurants,
a
very
much
not
for
not-for-profit
entity.
They
both
wanted
higher.
So
here
you
can
see
that
we
are
your
goldilocks
proposition
right
here,
because
we
have
a
dual
role
as
music
professionals
and
neighbors.
AL
Here
we
want
to
work
in
the
evening
and
sleep
at
night,
just
like
everybody
else,
but
I'm
going
to
explain
to
you
the
pitfalls
if
you
get
it
wrong
scenario
a
if
we
get
it
wrong
without
being
too
lenient
and
failing
to
address
noise
pollution.
In
that
case,
we
can
come
back
together
and
change
it.
We're
committed
to
that
scenario
b
if
we
get
it
wrong
by
creating
restrictions
that
are
too
strict.
Well,
we
may
not
be
here
to
come
back
to
the
table
and
work
with
you.
AL
I
said
last
year
that
the
music
and
live
events
industries
were
the
first
to
get
hit
by
the
pandemic
and
the
last
to
come
back.
We
simply
can't
survive
another
blow
scenario
c,
just
right.
This
is
where
amp
is.
This
is
what
we're
asking
you
to
do
and
that's
what
three
of
you
have
already
supported.
We
appreciate
that
support
and
that's
why
you've
got
the
music
community
on
board
like
we're,
not
here
saying
no
we're
saying.
AL
AL
AL
Many
in
asheville
fear
change
from
the
city,
because
policies
seem
written
in
stone,
but
in
the
past
year
we've
seen
stones
shattered
that
stood
for
over
a
century.
Successful
policy
is
nimble
and
changes
when
situations
change
and
adapts
when
our
outcomes
do
not
match
our
goals.
Just
like
I
had
to
rewrite
this
speech
this
morning.
AL
We
ask
you
to
check
back
in
next
year
to
make
sure
our
policy
outcomes
match
our
intentions.
We
confidently
say
that
the
three
of
you
on
public
safety
committee
got
it
right
back
in
june.
When
you
unanimously
accepted
our
compromise
position.
We
find
that
yours
and
our
proposal
will
work.
It
works
for
venues.
AL
A
Lord
I
give
up.
Okay
next
is
julie,
snyder
speaking
for
kennel
worth
and
kennel
worth.
If
you're
here
tonight,
give
us
a
hand
raise
there
there
we
go
okay,
thank.
A
AM
I
start
okay,
mayor
mannheimer
and
council
members.
Thank
you
for
this
opportunity
to
speak
on
behalf
of
the
residents
of
western
kenilworth
and
thank
you
for
attending
the
noise
demonstrations
and
a
very
special
thank
you
for
visiting
western
kenilworth
to
gain
first-hand
experience
of
the
serious
noise
problem
that
my
neighbors
and
I
live
with
24
7
year
round.
AM
AM
AM
AM
AM
AM
AM
We
organized
as
a
kennel
worth
noise
committee
to
address
the
problem
directly
with
mission
well
without
going
into
the
details
of
what
transpired
up
to
the
present.
That
effort
has
led
to
no
serious
mitigation,
not
surprisingly,
since
corporate
polluters
rarely
invest
in
serious
necessary
mitigation
unless
they're
forced
to
do
so
through
regulatory
measures.
AM
AM
Many
of
us
routinely
hear
continuous,
pure
tone
noise
in
the
range
of
55
to
65
decibels,
and
sometimes
higher
these
levels
are
intolerable,
not
to
mention
unhealthy,
we're
asking
for
a
better
ordinance,
an
ordinance
that
would
improve
our
lives
and
protect
our
health.
I'll
cite
some
of
our
residents
comments.
AM
AM
Unquote
quote
new
new
comment:
we
endure
many
inconveniences
due
to
the
24-hour
intolerable
noise,
like
not
being
able
to
keep
our
windows
open.
Hearing
noise
that
penetrates
our
closed
double
paneled
windows,
not
being
able
to
use
our
rooms
some
of
our
rooms
in
our
homes,
those
that
face
the
hospital
not
being
able
to
enjoy
our
patios
and
our
yards
next
comment.
AM
AM
A
AM
A
All
right
that
that
was
we're
on
to
the
aston
homeowners
and
charles
beck
and
charles.
We
have
your
your
accompanying.
B
A
Up
to
speak,
but
we'll
see
how
much
time
we
have,
but
if
there
are
other
groups
that
have
created
a
group
and
have
a
speaker
we
will,
we
will
welcome
the
opportunity
to
have
group.
You
know
because
we're
trying
to
trying
to
make
sure
we
hear
from
all
the
different
groups-
and
I
mean
individuals
if
possible.
So
if
you
would
like
to
put
forward
a
speaker,
you
have
a
that
would
be.
A
A
To
but
so
we'll
finish
with
the
seven
and
we'll
regroup
and
then
make
sure
we're
getting
every
everybody
represented
in
the
speaker
list,
because
we
don't
want
to
miss
miss
anybody.
AN
All
right,
good
news,
madam
mayor
and
and
council,
and
vice
mayor
good
evening,
I'm
only
using
one
slot.
AN
Basically
I've
provided
you
both
electronically
and
then
you
have
a
little
handout
where
there's
a
series
of
facts
that
have
been
floating
around
at
least
back
until
april,
and
even
earlier
than
that
as
we
started
the
discussion
I
live
in,
the
aston
condo
building
have
been
there
for
16
years
and
I
am
about
578
feet
from
rabbit
rabbit
and
why
that's
relevant
and
why
this
picture
is
relevant,
is
what
you're
seeing
has
three
different
dimensions
depending
on
who's,
viewing
it
if
you're
a
casual
viewer.
AN
It
looks
like
to
you
more
than
likely
a
gathering
of
people
waiting
for
a
concert
to
begin,
and
that
is
indeed
what
this
was
on
july
9th
and
you
would
be
right
to
me
as
an
individual
homeowner.
I
look
out,
and
I
see
that
and
it's
a
platform
to
drive
72
to
80
decibels
into
my
living
room
in
my
dining
room
and
on
my
patio
for
four
to
six
to
eight
hours.
AN
A
Okay,
hold
on
hold
it
together,
guys
you're
gonna
get
your
chance
they're.
Obviously,
disagreement
about
your
numbers,
but
but
just
hang
tight
they're.
AN
Probably
low,
but
the
key
point
is
that
in
2019,
when
we
started
this
discourse,
the
first
bullet
that
was
up
on
the
flyer
that
was
distributed
said:
keep
ash,
feel
vibrant,
but
don't
let
noise
hurt
the
quality
of
life,
and
that's
really
a
core
point
that
I
want
to
drive
home
tonight.
I
think
that
four
things
contribute
to
that
decision.
Making
quality
of
life.
I
can't
take
my
condo,
strap
it
on
my
back
and
move
out
of
asheville.
I
don't
want
to.
I
moved
here
for
a
reason.
AN
Health
and
wellness
is
important.
It's
just
as
important
to
me,
as
it
probably
is
to
you
and
the
dogwood
health
trust
and
the
affordable
housing
that
you're
planning
to
build
next
to
the
the
bus
station,
which
is
sorely
needed
in
this
town.
Based
on
obviously
a
number
of
comments.
There
is
also
medical
health.
There
is
stated
from
aarp
health
and
other
various
organizations
categorical
evidence
that
it
hurts
your
ears
when
it's-
and
I
think
this
is
the
important
part,
because
I
saw
the
64
decibel
reading.
AN
That
was
for
a
moment
that
wasn't
six
hours
that
wasn't
eight
hours,
its
impact,
its
duration
and
its
decibel
level
all
together.
That
needs
to
go
into
the
decision,
and
then
the
last
point
on
on
the
four
cornerstones.
Is
that,
as
we're
all
aware,
the
police
and
safety
issues
they're,
underfunded
and
they're
under
staff
to
take
this
on,
as
councilwoman
rony
pointed
out,
maybe
we're
rushing
too
fast
because
we're
not
staffed
to
do
this.
AN
AN
I
think
that
they
at
least
should
adjust
the
hours
minimize
the
volumes
to
the
extent
we
can,
and
certainly
the
exceedances
which
I'm
going
to
let
board
member.
My
fellow
resident
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
decibel
level
and
the
exceedances,
and
then
I
think
you
should
balance
economics,
because
I
believe
that
the
points
have
been
made.
The
local
musicians
need
an
opportunity
to
advance
and
get
back
out
of
this
pandemic.
AN
So
so,
from
a
standpoint,
basically
of
you
know
driving
revenue
stream
and
creating
jobs,
it's
not
hitting
the
direct
point
and
then
finally,
you
know,
I
think
that
you
can
either
delay
this
and
take
more
time
to
really
kind
of
calibrate,
because
I'm
pretty
much
a
an
advocate
that
once
you
let
the
genie
out
of
the
bottle,
you're
not
going
to
shove
it
back
in
so
you
know,
I
believe,
getting
it
right
as
opposed
to
continuing
to
mess
with
it
all
the
time
you
know.
Today
we
have
a
loose
ordinance.
AN
AN
I
picked
a
lyric
out
of
one
of
my
favorite
performers,
songs,
aretha
franklin,
and
it's
called
think
because,
as
I
went
through
this,
I'm
like
think
what
you're
doing
to
me
and
her
other
record
album
called
respect,
is
all
the
homeowners
are
looking
for
is
a
little
fair
and
balanced
respect
on
this
music
should
speak
to
us
and
we
should
not
let
monetary
interest
override
the
balance
of
the
people.
Thank
you
for
listening
to
my
remarks.
A
AO
Well,
actually,
I'd
like
to
get
clarity
on
that,
the
the
presentation
you
know
we
we
have
10
minutes
because
we
have
a
bunch
of
people
behind
us.
I
could
do
mine
and
let
jeff
do
the
slideshow
or
I
could
do
the
slideshow
as
part
of
mine
if
you
want-
or
we
can
do
it
later,
but
we
wanted
to
show
you
the
slideshow
at
some
point.
Remember.
AO
A
F
AO
Madam
mayor
members
of
council,
I
am
pat
whalen
of
public
interest
projects.
We
were
glad
to
hear
how
much
money
we're
going
to
make
on
this
site.
It
was
very,
very
heartening.
We've
worked
to
help
revitalize
downtown
for
over
30
years
and
thought
live.
Music
could
play
an
important
part
in
that.
So
we
brought
back
the
orange
peel
and
with
asheville
brewing,
we
recently
opened
rabbit.
Rabbit
downtown
was
dead
quiet
in
the
70s
and
80s.
AO
No
one
wanted
to
be
here
after
five
o'clock
live
music
indoors
and
out
has
been
huge
in
bringing
asheville
back
and
now
we're
known
for
our
music
young
people
are
drawn
to
asheville
40
years
ago.
They
left
as
soon
as
they
could.
The
decibel
levels
and
curfews
in
the
proposed
ordinance
are
new
restrictions
on
venues.
AO
The
udo
calls
downtown
the
entertainment
district
for
asheville
in
the
mountains.
Where
else
can
live
music
go.
The
city
has
always
supported
outdoor
live
music,
34
years
of
bell
share,
32
years
of
downtown
after
5
20
of
the
drum
circle
and
54
of
shindig
I'll
guarantee
you
that
the
dbs
registered
at
those
shows
were
nothing
like
64..
AO
AO
Based
on
that
history,
we
built
rabbit
rabbit
as
a
properly
zoned
permitted
and
approved
outdoor
performance
center.
We
expected
to
be
allowed
to
do
performances
at
our
performance
center
to
comply
with
the
sound
exceedance.
85
db
limit
we'll
need
to
hold
artists
10
to
15
db,
lower
than
typical
shows.
AO
We
have
been
advised
if
the
db
levels
go.
Any
lower
touring
artists
will
just
skip
asheville.
We
can't
survive.
If
that
happens,
your
ordinance
calls
music
noise.
Our
supreme
court
says,
live,
music
is
protected
speech,
the
other
sounds
covered
by
the
ordinance
aren't.
Yet
they
are
favored
mccormick
field
and
sports
events
have
no
limits
on
decibels
or
number
of
events.
AO
AO
AG
AG
So
you
know
some
of
these
community
groups
have
not
represented
me
thus
far,
aside
from
being
a
venue
manager,
I'm
also
a
working
musician
and
a
board
member
of
amp.
I've
been
part
of
this
industry
for
30
years
and
for
the
for
the
last
15
of
which
have
been
right
here
in
downtown
asheville,
and
I'm
here
in
support
of
the
proposed
ordinance,
which
is
a
public
safety's
proposed
ordinance,
which
is
already
a
sensible
compromise.
AG
So
now
you
know,
live
music.
Vents
have
been
a
fabric
of
asheville,
a
music
city.
Something
is
something
that
we've
been
grown
to
be
known
for,
and
there
was
little
there
was
a
time
where
downtown
nashville
and
other
areas
like
haywood
on
west
asheville
were
boarded
up.
Dining
and
live.
Entertainment
were
a
big
part
of
redeveloping
these
areas
and
over
the
years
the
depth
of
our
music
scene
turned
out
to
be
somewhat
of
a
surprise
and
it
reflected
positively
on
our
city.
AG
AG
So
these
are
just
some
examples
of
what
downtown
looked
like
prior
to
this
development
and
the
idea
of
using
dining
entertainment
and
live
events
to
help
draw
people
back
into
what
was
an
empty
environment
here
in
downtown
asheville.
AG
Obviously,
we've
come
a
long
way,
even
in
my
time
here
in
nashville,
I've
seen
it
grown
into
something
and
I've
seen
businesses
boarded
up
so
perhaps
again,
the
biggest
surprise
is
the
depth
of
our
music
scene,
major
events
that
we've
had
over
time
like
downtown
after
five
shindig
on
the
green
goodbye
festival
and
the
drum
circle
have
become
part
of
our
culture.
Over
this
time
now,
asheville's
reputation
as
a
vibrant
music
city
has
grown
exponentially
as
it
touted
in
national
press
outlets
like
rolling
stone
and
as
well
as
national
geographic.
AG
This
industry
became
a
large
economic
driver
in
our
city,
so
much
has
been
invested
in
local
venues
of
all
sizes
which
cater
to
locals
and
tourists
alike.
Now
the
guidelines
which
can
is
proposing
will
make
it
extremely
difficult
or
impossible
for
our
industry
to
survive.
Now
the
industry
is
both
an
economic
and,
more
importantly,
to
me
personally,
a
cultural
asset
to
our
beautiful
city.
Now
the
venue
manager
is
one
of
the
larger
ones
whose
business
model
depends
on
presenting
world-class
talent
from
many
genres.
AG
These
genres
represent
so
many
different
parts
of
our
community,
but
we
also
work
with
local
developing
artists,
with
local
showcases,
again
of
all
genres
and
by
partnering,
with
community
organizations
and
music
schools,
like
rock
academy
leaf
in
schools
and
girls
rock
now
these
are
our
own
children
participating
in
these
events.
Now
we
are
providing
youth
to
gain
real
experience.
AG
AP
Okay,
y'all,
my
name's
rob
mcadams,
I'm
going
to
speak
from
the
heart,
real,
quick.
I've
worked
at
the
orange
peel
for
10
years
from
an
intern
out
of
unca
to
an
assistant
manager.
There
I
make
my
livelihood
through
live
music.
I
support
my
family
and
I've
established
a
career
and
a
livelihood
in
the
city
that
I
cherish.
AP
You
know
dozens
of
people
in
this
room
are
just
like
me
and
hundreds
more
outside
these
walls
who
work
in
live
music
and
rely
on
this
to
pay
their
rent
to
pay
their
mortgage
and
to
support
their
families.
All
I
can
say
is
don't
limit
us
right
now.
You
know
I
don't
have
a
stock
portfolio
and
a
401k
and
I'm
sure
they're
beautiful
condos,
but
I'm
here
to
work
and
live
and
enjoy
asheville,
and
I
I
you
know,
respect
to
our
neighbors
as
much
as
we
can,
but
I
support
the
public
safety
option.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
okay.
Okay,
the
next
person
I
have
representing
a
group,
john
smith,
representing
the
neighborhood
around
planned
parenthood.
Are
you
still
here.
A
AQ
Hi,
council
and
mayor-
thank
you
for
having
me
here.
This
is
my
first
city
council
meeting
ever
so
bear
with
me.
I'm
just
going
to
speak
from
experience,
and
some
of
the
things
I
might
say
could
be
offensive
to
some
based
on
the
content.
I'm
representing
the
neighborhood
surrounding
play
inherent
planned
parenthood,
specifically
behind
the
election
center.
AQ
Our
typical
saturdays
go
like
we
wake
up
at
about
7
50
a.m,
to
the
sound
of
amplification
and
descriptions
of
very
graphic
descriptions
of
abortion.
So
our
whole
neighborhood
is
has
been
struggling
with
this
for
years.
Multiple
households
and
our
struggle
is
nothing
compared
to
the
people
that
are
trying
to
get
services
at
planned
parenthood
and
who
are
harassed
and
targeted.
AQ
We
have
two
folks
that
use
amplification.
Mr
zakheb
uses
a
megaphone
that
is
designed
for
police
and
military
application,
and
the
other
protester
allura
lightfoot
uses
a
megaphone.
It's
like
competing
megaphones,
sometimes
multiple
times
a
week
generally
on
saturday
morning,
but
we're
just
tired.
You
know
we
don't
want
to
hear
it
in
our
house.
I
don't
want
my
children
hearing
it.
At
least
I've
had
a
teachable
moment
with
my
children
about
this
and
how
not
to
be
as
adults.
AR
AR
AR
We
are
currently
standing
in
one
of
the
most
historic
music
cities
in
the
united
states,
just
for
example,
1927
jimmy
rogers,
who
is
the
father
of
country
music,
played
at
the
flatiron
building
right
right
around
the
corner
there.
On
wnc,
a
year
later,
baskin
lamar
lunsford
launched
the
mountain,
dance
and
folk
festival,
which
is
considered
the
first
festival
of
its
kind
in
the
united
states
and
in
1939
bill
monroe,
who
is
considered.
The
father
of
bluegrass
music
first
played
bluegrass
music
at
the
citizen
times,
building
in
the
third
floor
for
wwnc.
AR
National
acts
have
an
enormous
economic
impact
because
it
also
affects
local
musicians
that
do
pre
and
post
show
concerts
at
other
venues
around
the
the
city,
including
opening
slots
for
local
acts
to
perform
in
front
of
perhaps
larger
audiences
than
they
normally
would.
So
that
is
a
big
deal
when
a
local
band
wants
to
open
or
close
their
tours
here
or
just
roll
through
in
general.
AR
AR
AR
Those
rooms
won't
fill
themselves
unless
you've
got
some
music
freaks
rolling
through
here
in
2008,
rolling
stone
picked
the
orange
peel
as
one
of
the
top
10
music
venues
in
the
united
states,
which
is
a
huge
honor,
especially
for
such
a
city
of
this
size
in
2019,
rolling
stone
also
wrote
an
article
why
asheville
north
carolina
is
a
must-visit
music
city
of
america.
I
helped
co-author
that
article
for
rolling
stone,
and
that
was
purely
out
of
not
only
fact
but
also
a
passion
I
have
for
this
community.
AR
AR
A
Okay,
thanks
hold
on
okay,
folks
we're.
So
those
were
the
identified
groups
that
we
started
out
with
the
beginning.
How
long
have
we
been
going
right
right
now?
So,
let's
take
a
break
now,
if
you
are
signed
up
to
speak
and
you
didn't
cede
your
time
to
somebody
and
you
still
want
to
speak
and-
and
you
also
think
you
might
help
me-
represent
more
groups.
Can
you
come
up
here
and
tell
me-
and
I
can
go
through
this
list
and
clean
it
up
and
figure
out
how
much
we've
got
left,
so
we
can
figure
out.
A
Council
will
consider
extending
this
amount
of
time.
So
again,
if
you
haven't
already
seeded
your
time
and
you
did
sign
up
to
speak
and
you
still
want
to
speak,
if
you
don't
want
to
speak,
you
don't
need
to
come
up,
but
if
you
still
want
to
speak,
please
come
up
here
during
the
break
and
let
me
know
okay
thanks
so
we'll
break
for
I
lied
to
you
last
time.
I
said
I
was
15
and
it
was
like
something
more
but
we'll
shoot
for
10
15..
A
Those
of
you
who
indicated
you
would
still
like
to
speak
on
this
item.
There
were
16
of
you
and
so
what
we're
going
to
do
so
that
everyone
who
wants
to
be
heard
on
this
is
going
to
be
heard.
We're
going
to
hear
from
all
16
of
you,
but
we're
going
to
do
two
minutes
each
believe
it
or
not.
We
even
have
some
stuff.
We
have
to
do
after
this.
A
So
so,
if
we
could
do
do
two
minutes
each
and
I'm
gonna
tell
you
if
you're
on
deck,
so
you
can
be
ready
to
like
stand
like
a
little
bit
behind
the
speaker,
so
you
can
be
ready
to
go.
So
I
feel
like
we're,
we're
all
yep
we're
all
here.
Okay,
are
we
ready
ready
to
go?
Okay?
A
AS
AS
I'd
like
to
call
your
attention
to
the
sound
exceedance
limit
of
85
db,
which
is
written
into
the
noise
ordinance.
When
I
first
read
a
draft
of
the
ordinance
this
caught
my
attention
because
as
someone
who
has
worked
as
an
occupational
health
professional
for
35
plus
years,
I'm
familiar
with
85
db,
but
has
a
limit
in
industry.
AS
Under
such
conditions
of
noise,
85
db
and
duration
up
to
8
to
12
hours,
osha
requires
an
employer
must
provide
hearing
protectors
such
as
earplugs
to
its
employees
and
provide
them
with
annual
audiometric
or
hearing
tests
to
check
for
noise-induced
hearing
loss.
If
you
want
to
check
that
look
at
title,
29
cfr,
1910.95
paragraphs
g-
and
I
now
I've
been
informed
by
one
of
you-
that
the
noise
ordinance
is
nuanced,
and
I
agree
that
in
some
of
its
aspects
it
is
but
sounded.
85
db
is
not
it's
loud.
AS
A
Thank
you,
so
liz
talent
you
are
up
now
and
on
deck
and
miss
talent
is
a
is
in
the
music
category
and
on
deck
is
steve
rasmussen.
AF
Okay,
thank
you.
Thanks
for
sticking
around
and
letting
us
speak
tonight,
and
thanks
to
ben
woody
and
your
staff
for
all
of
your
time
and
efforts
on
this
contentious
and
difficult
issue,
my
name
is
liz
talent.
I've
been
on
the
management
team
at
the
orange
peel
and
now
rabbit
rabbit
for
15
years.
I'm
a
mom
of
three
a
board
member
of
the
arts
council
and
an
asheville
resident
to
start.
I
want
to
just
reiterate
that
I
myself
as
an
I
am
an
asheville
neighbor.
AF
I
live
off
of
merriman
avenue
and
can
does
not
speak
for
me.
In
fact,
I
think
this
room
a
lot
less
than
it
was
an
hour
ago,
but
it's
full
of
neighbors
like
myself,
who
are
not
represented
by
the
proposal
that
can
showed
tonight.
They
don't
speak
for
all
of
our
downtown
neighbors
even
to
demonstrate.
I
wanted
to
share
a
few
excerpts
from
some
emails
that
I've
received
unsolicited
from
downtown
neighbors,
the
last
few
weeks
from
condo
owners
who
live
on
lexington
avenue,
ashland
avenue
and
even
the
aston
condominium
on
church
street.
AF
Despite
what
the
person
before
me
just
said,
our
shows
are
three
hours
long
and
then
we
do
a
few
intermittent
sound
check
intervals,
midday
for
a
total
number
of
six
to
seven
hours
of
amplified
noise.
So
here
are
some
excerpts
from
emails.
I
received
quote,
I
loved
the
show
and
I
have
not
heard
any
negative
complaints
from
my
neighbors,
it's
so
nice
having
great
music
downtown.
AF
Thank
you
all,
especially
the
mixing
board,
guys
for
nicely
balanced,
sound
during
tonight's
concert,
kudos
to
all
of
you
from
my
condo,
my
wife
and
I
are
big
fans
of
rabbit,
rabbit,
you're,
doing
a
good
job
being
good
and
considerate.
Neighbors
we've
been
here
since
the
early
90s
and
we
absolutely
love
our
city
and
our
downtown
community.
We
look
forward
to
seeing
a
lot
of
shows
with
you.
Congratulations
liz
what
a
great
show
and
a
great
crowd,
and
I
love
that
asheville's
finest
had
the
best
seats
in
the
house.
AF
So,
furthermore,
I'd
like
to
remind
council
that,
even
though
we
do
have
some
who
would
complain,
there
are
thousands
more
locals
and
neighbors
who
benefit
and
find
joy
from
attending
live
music.
I
did
the
math
and
in
2018
and
19
orange,
peel,
indoor
and
outdoor
shows
were
attended
by
approximately
70
000
buncombe
county
residents
and
45
000
city
residents.
Thank
you
thank.
A
You
yeah
here
we
go
steve
rasmussen
and
then
on
deck
is
larry
williams.
AJ
Hi,
I'm
steve
steve
rasmussen,
I'm
a
west,
asheville
resident
and
a
long
time,
civic
activist
and
environmental
activist
here.
One
thing:
I've
noticed
about
noise
is
that
a
lot
of
people
hate
other
people's
noise
but
demand
the
right
to
produce
their
own.
That's
not
justice
or
fairness
or
equity.
It's
just
selfishness,
time
and
again,
we've
seen
industries
this
time.
AJ
The
music
industry
in
the
past
has
been
the
development
industry
or
manufacturing
industries
demanding
the
right
to
impose
their
uncomp,
their
social
and
environmental
costs
of
doing
business
on
the
rest
of
us
without
compensating
us
all
we
get
is
sicker
because
we
get
the
air
pollution.
We
get
the
sound
pollution.
We
get
all
kinds
of
pollution
that
that,
as
a
consequence,
apparently
of
asheville's
becoming
a
center
for
national
industries
like
the
music
industry,
your
responsibility
as
city
leaders
is
to
the
health
and
safety
of
residents
of
the
people
who
voted
for
you.
AH
AJ
Seriously,
though,
I
mean
I've
just
never
heard
such
selfishness
coming
from
people
who
fellow
musicians
I'm
a
musician
myself,
and
I
would
never
you
know,
consider
that
the
decibel
limit
I
have
to
play
with
play
at
is
a
sign
of
my
talent,
we're
talking
about
outdoor
venues
too,
we're
not
talking
about
indoor
venues.
This
is
just
one
special
thing:
it's
not
even
festivals,
which
are
once
in
a
while.
This
is
industrial
scale,
outdoor
music
that
we're
trying
to
stop
from
deafening
us.
A
Okay,
larry
williams
is
up
next
and
cactus
sullivan
is
on
deck.
AE
Pofo
williams
and
I'm
coming
at
the
aspect
of
an
artist
of
color
and
also
someone
who
moved
to
asheville
and
didn't
have
any
sense
of
direction.
Today
I
owned
two
publishing
houses.
I
had
worldwide
distribution
and
I
have
music
all
over
the
world
and
it's
only
because
of
asheville
asheville
has
been
a
great
place
to
be
inclusive
and
let
me
in
and
be
able
to
do
music.
AE
My
first
performance
was
on
lexington
avenue
at
the
emerald
lounge
and
I
ran
the
emblem
during
moog
fest
and
when
caleb
won
american
idol,
and
I
just
think
that
y'all
should
really
take
into
consideration
of
what
amp
has
got,
and
I
mean
just
do
the
maybe
the
60
days
the
45
days
and
see
what
it
is,
because
also
who
is
going
to
get
policed
when
this
this
ordinance
is
done.
It
might
be
more
of
a
hip-hop
show,
or
maybe
even
a
family
get-together.
AE
So,
let's
just
see
how
this
thing
works
out
and
maybe
give
it
a
chance
and
look
at
the
science
of
it
all
and
kind
of
be
more
of
what
ashville
always
has
been
is
inclusive
and
a
community
that
can
work
together
and,
like
you
say,
we
can
always
come
back
and
look
at
it
and
like
let's
just
have
a
cool
head
and
try
to
see
on
both
sides.
So
that's
all
I
got
to
say
thank
you.
AT
Thank
you
for
time,
mayor
the
city
council,
I'm
a
west
asheville
homeowner
and
a
musician
working
in
nashville
for
25
years,
I'm
a
band
leader,
small
business
owner
and
an
employer
working
as
secret
agent,
23
skidoo.
I've
worked
with
kids
for
15
of
those
years
performing
family
shows
teaching
rhyme
writing
workshops
and
creating
free
curriculum
for
all
of
buncombe
county
elementary
schools.
AT
All
those
things
were
in
collaboration
with
the
brilliant
and
eccentric
local
music
scene
and
wouldn't
have
happened.
Otherwise,
the
local
musicians
work
with
kids
around
here
all
the
time
through
music
schools,
private
lessons,
family-friendly
shows,
school,
shows,
workshops,
residencies
after
school
programs,
community
outreach
and
also
just
friendships.
AT
15
years
later,
I
now
see
these
kids
grown
up
into
some
amazing
human
beings.
When
I
talk
with
them,
they're
totally
inspiring
their
depth
is
incredible.
Their
awareness
is
unusual,
their
ability
to
express
themselves
is
beautiful
and
they
have
this
resilience
that
they
really
need
and
help
them
get
through
this
pandemic.
AT
Seeing
these
kids
grow
up
man,
the
local
music
scene
is
a
big
part
of
the
village
that
helps
raise
the
local
kids.
An
overly
oppressive
noise
ordinance
would
undoubtedly
reduce
the
amount
of
professional
musicians
in
this
town.
It
would
reduce
the
amount
of
shows,
that's
why
all
these
musicians
are
here
today.
AT
A
D
Hey
so
I'd
like
to
amplify
some
of
the
voices
of
color
and,
first
of
all,
say
that
the
white
privileged
folks
up
here,
speaking
for
more
controlled
decibels,
can
absolutely
afford
to
pick
up
and
move
somewhere
else.
If
you
don't
like
the
culture
here.
Thank
you.
Taz.
D
A
R
Thank
you
for
everything,
you're
doing
and
I've
been
listening
and
listening
all
night
long
and
I've
heard
a
lot
of
things
about
noise,
and
I
think
we
can
all
agree
that
there's
a
decency
that
we
need
to
address
about
things
like
the
mission
hospital
noise,
that's
making
people's
lives
miserable
and
the
noise
from
a
megaphone
angry
protester,
disrupting
a
family.
R
A
Okay,
we
have
elizabeth
lachey
and
nina
ireland
and
then
on
deck.
Could
we
hear
from
michelle
moog
kusa
kosa
kusa?
Thank
you.
AU
Hello,
everyone
I'm
elizabeth
lachey,
and
I
am
the
creator
and
co-host
of
slay
the
mic
on
asheville
fm
board
member,
a
long
time
board,
member
and
artist
mentor
at
word
on
the
street
and
also
we
are
creating
and
revitalizing
wbmu
jams
where
black
means
unity.
AU
With
all
of
that
being
said,
music
is
extremely
important
to
the
community.
It
is
a
curating
culture,
it's
creating
environments
where
students
can
feel
safe,
seen
and
heard,
and
I
just
want
to
reiterate
when
we
talk
about
inclusivity
like
where
are
we
speaking
about
that?
Who
are
we
talking
about?
Who
is
in
the
room?
Who
is
being
heard?
Who
is
being
seen?
And
I
also
want
to
share
the
mic
with
nina,
because
she
is
a
long
time
resident
here
at
in
asheville
and
has
an
amazing
perspective
to
share.
AH
AH
I
have
four
kids.
I
can
tell
you
probably
about
seven
years
ago
I
heard
many
events
happening
at
martin
luther
king
park
that
didn't
have
music,
but
I
could
still
hear
what
was
going
on
down
there.
I
knew
something
was
taking
place
at
the
mlk
park.
There
were
countless
times
where
there
were
different
events
that
included
music.
So
I
knew
I
could
pick
up
and
go
down
there
and
see
something.
AH
AH
I
feel
bad
for
you
guys
having
to
deal
with
the
kennel
worth
issue
and
stuff,
like
that,
the
whole
with
the
whole
hospital,
but
we
didn't
have
this
noise
ordinance
when
we
had
eight
hotels
come
up
in
the
last
five
years
either
and
we
had
10
hotels
come
up,
but
it's
now
a
problem
and
it's
a
problem
coming
out
of
covet
when
so
many
people
have
suffered,
and
our
kids
need
something
to
do.
One
of
the
gentlemen
told
me
that
somebody
complained
about
rabbit
rabbit
for
a
movie
frozen
being
played.
AH
AH
You
know
what
I'm
saying
like
I
have
they
don't
bowl,
yet
you
know
they
want
to
get
out
and
dance.
It
makes
sense
now
because
the
kid
hip-hop
parade
that
we
just
did,
I
could
barely
hear
the
music.
Yet
you
know
what
I'm
saying
like
the
music
scene.
I
have
brothers
who
are
in
a
band.
You
know
free
radio
performs
a
lot
around
this
town.
You
know
like
I
don't
want
to
see
the
music
scene
go.
Bell's
share
happened
right
down
the
street
from
me.
AH
It
did
what
it
was
supposed
to
do
and
if
the
people
who
moved
here,
probably
because
they
came
to
belcher,
which
had
nothing
but
music
food
and
talent
they're
at
it
and
vendors,
you
know
don't
push
that
away.
We
obviously
see
with
the
numbers
here
that
it
makes
good
money
and
keep
something
for
the
kids.
Thank
you.
AV
AV
AV
This
unique
creativity
draws
people
from
all
over
the
world
and
for
those
of
us
who
are
lucky
enough
to
live
here,
it
binds
us
together
and
a
measure
that
weakens
our
creative
musical
community
also
weakens
asheville
as
a
unique
place
to
live,
work
and
visit
without
a
thriving
music
scene.
Asheville
loses
its
soul.
AV
AW
AW
Every
musician
or
dj
I've
met
in
the
city
has
at
minimum
the
ambition
to
pay
their
ben
pay
the
rent
and
pay
their
bills
from
just
making
music,
which
is
already
hard
enough
for
them.
They're
out
there
busking
in
the
streets
and
doing
whatever
they
can
and
during
covid
you
saw
them
come
up
with
really
creative
solutions
for
bringing
live,
music
and
entertainment
to
the
popul
to
the
populace.
AW
Here
I
think
the
measure
to
reduce
the
decibel
levels
is
fair
at
the
public
safety
level
to
curtail
further
the
artists
ability
to
make
money
and
to
bring
arts
and
culture
to
this
community
would
be
a
major
detriment.
It's
one
of
the
reasons
I
moved
here.
It's
one
of
the
reasons
I
started
a
business
here
and
the
music
industry
is
well
represented
in
this
room
and
I
think
that
should
be
considered.
Thank
you.
AX
Thank
you
mayor
for
allowing
us
to
have
this
time.
Thank
you,
council
for
this
as
well.
My
name
is
marcus
cunningham.
I
am
a
musician,
also
a
promoter.
I
own,
a
performance
organization
called
urban
combat
wrestling
which
combines
the
cultures
of
hip-hop,
music
and
professional
wrestling,
something
that
has
never
been
done
ever
so.
AX
This
is
a
place
where
asheville
is
a
place
where
unprecedented
things
happen.
We
are
a
place
that
cultivates.
We
create
culture,
we
create
a
space
for
people
who
look
like
me
to
make
things
that
don't
exist
so
with
that
I've
brought
grammy-nominated
producers
here
to
asheville.
I've
created
a
line
out
of
the
door
in
west
asheville,
all
for
professional
wrestling,
which
again
has
never
happened
and
that
all
comes
from
music.
So
if
we
would,
please
go
with
the
compromise
that
we
have
currently.
AX
I
would
greatly
appreciate
that,
because
not
only
as
taran
said
earlier,
it's
therapeutic.
We
see
the
community
that
is
affected.
You
see
how
we
are
affected,
the
emotion
that
is
in
our
voice.
This
is
our
kids.
This
is
our
culture.
This
is
what
I
grew
up
in.
You
know
what
I'm
saying
at
the
end
of
the
day.
We
all
want
to
make
money.
We
all
want
to
live
free.
We
all
want
to
be
happy
and
congratulations
for
for
the
guy
being
able
to
afford
this
condo.
AX
But
I've
looked
at
prices
in
rent,
and
I
know
it's
how
expensive
it
is
to
either
rent
that
condo
or
buy
that
condo.
And
if
you
want
to
look
at
that
mountain,
you
can
move
to
the
cliffs
and
it's
there.
Those
mountains
are
there.
You
can
see
them
from
almost
anywhere
and
along
with
being
a
musician,
I'm
a
caseworker
for
the
department
of
health
and
human
services.
AX
AY
Hard
to
follow
that
I'm
gonna
be
real
quick,
so
I
know
the
time
is
short
good
evening.
I
appreciate
this
opportunity.
My
name
is
emily
argonata,
I'm
a
native
of
asheville
and
I'm
here
to
support
the
current
draft
of
the
ordinance,
albeit
a
compromise,
I'm
39
years
young
and
I'm
a
fan.
Clearly.
AY
AE
AY
Heritage,
this
is
my
heritage.
I
ask
that
you
protect
our
heritage,
I'm
a
follow-up
from
the
gentleman
who
spoke
about
miss
aretha
franklin.
I
must
say
when
it
comes
to
the
health
and
safety
I'm
going
to
bob
marley
one
good
thing
about
music
when
it
hits
it,
you
feel
no
pain.
Imma
quote
also
aarp
april
2nd
2018.
AY
This
is
aarp
75
improvement
in
mental
stimulation
in
comparison
to
only
10
for
yoga,
so
attending
a
concert
one
time
every
two
weeks
or
more
quote
high
levels
of
happiness
could
live
up
to
nine
years
longer.
Okay,
so,
in
addition
to
that,
the
health
benefits
include
fibromyalgia,
alzheimer's
induced
december
2017,
more
than
70
percent
of
united
states
yens,
because
actually
americans
are
two
continents.
AY
We
don't
have
a
language
for
that
here,
45
or
older,
believe,
music
helped
them
through
a
difficult
period
in
life,
and
it
certainly
has
helped
me.
I
ask
that
you
vote
for
this.
Thank
you
so
much
for
your
time.
AZ
AZ
If
you
move
to
a
city,
you
get
the
problems
of
the
city,
you
move
to
a
downtown
city
area,
somebody
who
grew
up
in
new
jersey,
you
get
noise,
don't
move
there.
If
you
don't
want
to
be
there
fourth
thought
in
regards
to
performance
centers,
if
you
don't
think
about
it,
what
makes
what
makes
you
think
that
this
is
the
time
now
like
this?
Is
you
know
you
guys
approved
rabbit
rabbit?
This
was
the
thing.
That's
you
know.
AZ
AZ
You
chose
to
live
here,
you
chose
where
you
live.
You
need
to
respect
it.
You
want
to
talk
about
aretha
franklin,
three
years
touring,
I
spent
three
years
in
my
life
the
past
year,
touring
the
country
playing
music
in
just
about
every
other
big
city
in
the
country
and
there's
no
music
city
like
asheville,
no
city
like
it
in
the
whole
country.
I
haven't
been
to
other
countries
yet,
but
soon,
I'm
sure
I'm
a
homeowner,
I'm
a
business
owner,
I'm
a
musician,
I'm
a
dj
and
I'm
a
board
member
of
a
non-profit.
AZ
P
P
P
P
P
That
is
so
loud
that
you
have
to
put
your
fingers
in
your
ears.
When
you
go
past,
I
ask
that
you've
considered
that
we
just
have
a
healthy
balance.
I
love
this
as
a
music
city,
and
I
chose
to
live
here,
but
I
want
I
want
this
to
be
balanced.
I
want
you
to
pay
attention
also
to
the
people
who
are
trying
to
have
a
life
here
other
than
the
music
venues
and
by
the
way
this
is
my
last
chapter.
I
can't
move
anywhere
else.
P
One
last
thing,
mr
moody's
presentation
a
month
ago,
not
this
meeting,
but
he
talked
about
enforcement
of
these
new
ordinances
and
a
lot
of
the
enforcement
was
with
asheville
police
department.
I
submit
that
that
beleaguered
and
understaffed
and
underpaid
department
will
not
be
able
to
enforce
these
ordinances.
Thank
you.
L
I
had
also
signed
up
to
speak
about
this
under
one
of
the
public
hearings,
but
still
worth
saying
now,
because
council
is
imposing
these
restrictions
on
public
comments.
You
don't
want
to
listen
to
us
all
night.
Well,
this
is
the
job
you
signed
up
for
at
least
under
some
guys
of
representative
democracy.
L
The
people
of
asheville
have
should
have
more
access
to
council,
not
less
now
having
established
that
onto
noise
ordinances,
as
you
heard
earlier,
this
particular
ordinance
includes
prohibitions
under
section
1085
they'll
be
used
to
police
and
find
protesters
remove
the
prohibitions.
I
stand
in
solidarity
with
everyone
seeking
safe
abortions
at
planned.
Parenthood,
let's
be
clear,
though,
giving
the
cops
more
power
will
not
help.
Such
prohibitions
will
always
be
used
more
harshly
against
black
lives
matter
protesters
than
the
pro-birth
fascists
outside
of
planned
parenthood.
L
V
A
You,
okay,
that
that
concludes
the
public
comment
portion
council.
So
we're
it's
back
to
us
where
we
left
off.
A
I
had
to
make
a
note
because
I
knew
I'd
forget
we
had
a
motion
to
adopt
the
staff
recommendation
with
the
change
to
the
fireworks
noted
with
a
second
and
then
we
had
a
motion
to
amend
this
motion
to
adopt
the
public
safety
committee
recommendations
with
the
decrease
of
eight
decibels.
I
believe
in
re
for
residential
districts
ben
did
you
leave?
Are
you
still?
Where
are
you
you're?
Okay,
do
you
do
you
feel
like
you
ben?
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we
don't
have
any
confusion
about
what
the
motions
are.
A
Do
you
feel
like
you
understand
the
because
there
was
some
confusion
after
public
safety
understand
the
all
the
motions?
Okay.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we're.
Not
and
council
do
you.
Do
you
understand
all
the
emotions?
Importantly,
I.
A
C
Okay
sure-
and
I
think
I'll
probably
be
about
a
minute
or
two
as
well.
So
thank
you,
everyone
for
being
here
and
sharing
your
concerns
with
us.
I
don't
think
there
is
going
to
be
an
answer
here
that
can
appease
everyone,
and
this
is
very
tough.
C
I
have
visited
music
venues
homes.
I've
walked
your
neighborhoods,
I've
met
with
residents
after
residents.
I
attended
sound
demonstrations
and
learned
more
about
noise
than
I
ever
knew
actually
existed,
but
I
do
think
that,
regardless
of
which
motion
is
heard
and
voted
on
tonight,
there
are
some
wins
in
the
room
that
I
want
to
acknowledge.
C
Ms
snyder,
we
met
at
your
home
and
you
are
one
of
the
residents
that's
dealing
with
a
continuous
noise
emanating
from
the
hospital
and
other
nearby
businesses
with
outdated
and
loud
hvac
systems,
and
I
think
whichever
motion
proceeds
tonight
addresses
that,
and
I
hope
that
I
actually
don't
see
her.
I
think
she
left,
but
I
hope
that
she
feels
heard.
C
C
Mr
freeman
is
here
on
behalf
of.
Can
we
have
a
great
working
relationship?
However,
I'm
concerned
that
the
numbers
put
forth
are
too
low
and
cannot
reasonably
even
be
achieved,
but
I
do
appreciate
the
amount
of
effort
you
have
put
into
this
in
organizing
the
neighbors
and
we
have
found
a
path
to
prohibit
the
exhaust
systems,
the
revving
engines,
the
jake
breaks.
These
are
all
wins:
we've
dialed
in
permitting
for
illegal
fireworks
and
permitted
fireworks
and
the
days
of
the
weeks
and
the
neighborhoods
requests
around
them.
We've
tackled
garbage
pickup
times.
C
C
So
we
have
addressed
many
issues,
regardless
of
which
motion
proceeds
tonight,
something
that
has
stuck
out
for
me
throughout
this
entire
process
and
I
have
not
been
included
in
the
entire
two
years
but
last
six
months,
and
that
is
that
a
majority
of
the
complaints
originated
from
the
categories
that
I
just
mentioned,
that
we
are
solving
one
way
or
another.
Despite
that,
we've
landed
here
tonight
with
a
recommendation
from
staff
and
perhaps
from
my
colleagues
to
impact
one
of
the
lowest
complaint
driven
categories
which
is
live
music.
C
So
it's
also
not
lost
on
me
that
some
of
our
older
residents
have
growing
concerns
and
have
lived
in
the
city
a
long
time
and
have
watched
it.
Build
up,
have
watched
it
grow
and
it's
going
to
continue.
It
is
getting
louder.
We
do
need
some
management
and
I
think
we
see
that
in
some
of
the
aforementioned
items,
there's
also
one
thing
that
hasn't
been
said
tonight
that
I
think
is
worth
pointing
out
downtown.
We
heard
from
basically
a
cluster
around
two
different
locations
and
those
those
incurred,
the
most
complaints.
C
But
I
think
the
onus
is
on
us
in
some
way
and
that
we
have
not
tested
or
tried
to
remedy
some
of
the
options
and
opportunities
that
some
of
these
venues
put
forth
so,
for
example,
rabbit
rabbit
very
loud
to
the
aston
who
gave
us
the
nice
presentation.
Earlier,
I
empathize
with
the
situation.
Rabbit
rabbit,
has
put
forth
opportunities
to
say,
block
their
gate
with
their
tour
buses,
which
is
where
the
noise
travels
up
aston.
There
have
been
talks
of
shade
sails
to
contain
noise.
C
So
if
we're,
I
don't
know
if
it's
six
months,
if
we
don't
implement
this
for
45
or
60
days,
then
we're
looking
at
the
winter.
So
maybe
it's
in
the
spring,
and
perhaps
one
last
call
to
my
colleagues
here
for
that
for
those
who
put
forth
the
first
motion.
If
you
are
not
in
support
of
the
amended
motion
kim
made
and
I
supported,
then
I
would
at
the
very
least
request
that
you
consider
allowing
the
central
business
district
to
remain
at
75.
Y
If
you
look
at
what
staff
has
put
forward
for
us
to
have
recommended
it's
really
not
that
much
different
from
what
public
safety
had
decided
earlier,
you're
looking
at
three
decibels
and
and
basically
the
one
thing
about
the
staff
report
is
because
I
went
around
too
just
to
sage
and
went
through
all
kinds
of
met,
people
at
their
homes
and
businesses
to
actually
listen
to
the
sounds
and
and
how
they
were
affecting
their
businesses
or
whatever,
and
there
was
a
concern
and
because
of
that
concern
and
especially
dealing
with
ben
and
how
he
actually,
he
put
went
above
and
beyond,
to
put
in
so
much
time
and
and
basically
with
the
staff's
recommendation
and
ben's
recommendation.
Y
Then
I
am
more
or
less
leading
toward
accepting
that,
because
I
feel
that
a
lot
of
the
necessary
testing
and
data
that
he
has
actually
more
or
less
gives
a
more
balanced
approach
to
the
communities
of
the
community.
Y
That
being
said,
he
also,
if
you
notice,
I
love
music,
and
I
listen
to
all
the
musicians
and
all
that
there
I
mean
I
love
it
and
you
all
are
definitely
right.
It
basically
is
many
of
your
life,
livelihoods
and
things
of
that
nature,
and
it
can
still
be
that
it
can
still
do
that.
Y
But
basically
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
just
make
it
a
place
that
everyone
can
feel
comfortable
and
it
does
not
get
out
of
control,
and
if
you
notice
that
there
is
one
tool
that
ben
has
in
that
his
particular
presentation
was,
you
can
apply
for
permits
to
exceed
on
these
levels
up
to
30
a
year.
Rabbit
basically
is
planning
on
putting
on
30
different
performances,
so
therefore
they
can
apply
to
exceed
that.
Y
So
there
are
measures
in
place
to
protect
those
particular
times
that
you
need
to
exceed
the
noise
decibel
levels
that
we've
actually
presented.
So
because
of
that,
I
think
that
it
gives
everybody
the
opportunity
to
do
what
they
need
to
do,
but
it
also
places
a
control,
a
method
or
way
that
we
can
control
it
to
some
degree
and
also,
I
would
suggest
that
we
actually
set
up
to
put
it
in
force.
I
I
just
this
is
kim
I
wanna
there's
a
couple
things
that
didn't
get
named
and
one
thing
that
struck
me
especially
tonight
that
I
hadn't
thought
about,
which
is
why
public
comment
is
so
invaluable.
I
I
A
A
You
know
again,
I
want
to
thank
all
of
you
for
participating
in
this
and
for
the
two
years
at
least
that
ben
woody
and
his
staff
have
been
working
on
this
and
engaging
with
the
community.
It
is,
it
is
an
incredibly
heavy
lift.
I
do
you
know.
I
do
think
that
this
is
going
to
be
one
of
those
things
that
we
may
end
up
revisiting
in
six
months
and
say
we
got
to
tweak
this.
We
got
to
tweak
that
you
know.
I
do.
A
For
example,
I
I
have
over
the
years
gotten
a
lot
of
complaints
from
folks
that
live
on
in
montford,
on
the
slope
that
faces
the
river
and
they'll
complain
about
a
salvage
station,
but
we've
done
measurements
of
salvage
station
music
in
montford,
and
I
think
it's
only
it's
less
than
60
decibels,
so
you
know
so
if
you're,
you
know-
and
people
will
say,
there's
a
concert
happening
in
my
living
room
in
montford.
A
I
hate
it,
but
you
know
obviously
an
ordinance
like
this
isn't
going
to
address
that
issue
and
you've
got
old
homes
and
people
have
the
windows
open,
there's
no
air
conditioning,
so
you
know
I
think,
there's
going
to
be,
unfortunately,
things
that
just
can't
be
addressed
and
will
will
have
to
continue
to
work
through,
but
I
do
appreciate
the
attempt
to
try
to
modernize
our
noise
ordinance
and
adapt
to
who
we
are
as
asheville
today,
because
we're
very
different
than
the
last
time
we
adopted
a
noise
ordinance.
A
So
I
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
appreciate
everyone's
participation
in
this,
so
we
have
we
have
these
layered
motions,
and
so
what
we
have
to
do
is
we
have
to
first
vote
on
the
motion
to
amend
the
primary
motion
and
that
motion
to
amend
it
would
be,
in
effect
to
adopt
the
public
safety
recommendation
with
the
adjustment
of
eight
decibels
for
residential
districts.
A
A
U
More
clarification,
if
I
could,
I
believe
that,
beyond
the
decibels,
there
may
have
also
been
a
a
difference
in
the
nighttime
hours
from
the
public
safety
recommendation
to
the
staff.
So
we
need
declare.
U
A
A
Now
did
that
go.
I
understand.
Okay,
everybody's
still
on
board
here
all
right,
so
this,
if,
if
you
so
all
those
in
favor
of
the
public
safety
recommendation
with
the
adjustment
of
the
eight
decibels-
oh
my
gosh,
he
he,
I
think
he
brad's
just
saying
there,
because
the
way
kim
described
the
public
safety
recommendation.
She
only
mentioned
the
decibels
and
he's
pointing
out
that
actually
public
safety
also
adjusted
the
daytime
night
time.
A
I
A
Okay,
okay,
all
those
in
favor
of
of
councilwoman
rony's
motion
with
a
second
from
councilwoman
turner.
Please
say:
aye,
okay,
I'll!
Please
raise
your
hand,
okay
and
all
those
opposed.
Please
raise
your
hand,
okay,
all
right,
so
the
motion
fails.
So
now
we
have
the
motion
to
adopt
the
staff
recommendation
with
the
adjustment
for
the.
A
I
Days
does
that
also
reduce
the
curfew
hours
which
were
adjusted
in
public
safety?
A
Hey
ben,
maybe
we
need
you
up
here,
make
sure
we
got
what
the
staff
recommendation
is.
So
the
the
motion
is
to
adopt
the
staff
recommendation
with
the
changes
regarding
fireworks.
AC
F
A
September
15th
is
that
ben
says
fine
that
was
kind
of
a
compromise
between
the
60
and
the
30..
Okay,
all
those
in
favor.
Please
raise
your
hand
all
those
opposed.
Please
raise
your
hand,
okay,
five
to
two
all
right.
The
motion
carries
and
because
it
was
five
to
two,
it
does
not
need
a
second
reading,
so
the
motion
is
passes.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
We
you're
welcome
to
say
we
have
more
to
move
on
to
the
agenda,
but
we
are
done
with
this
item.
Thank.
AD
C
AD
We
have
a
few
recommendations.
The
clerk's
office
will
continue
to
advertise
for.
AD
The
clerk's
office
will
continue
to
advertise
for
a
few
of
our
commissions
for
african-american
heritage
commission,
for
the
board
of
electrical
examiners,
for
the
historic
resources
commission
and
for
our
multimodal
transportation
commission.
We
did
decide
to
appoint
reappoint
michael
hayes,
who
is
the
west
representative
of
the
citizen,
police
advisory
committee
and
carl
caddarjon
for
the
east
representation.
G
AD
Opposed
okay
motion
carries
for
mountain
community
capital
operating
fund.
The
committee
rep
recommends
to
appoint
carl
aguirre
to
feel
the
unexpired
term
of
lynn
smith.
Can
I
get
a
second
a
second
right,
all
in
favor,
say
aye
aye
aye
any
opposed
for
the
neighborhood
advisory
committee.
AD
We
recommend
the
appointment
of
bobet
mays,
who
is
currently
serving
in
an
at-large
seat
to
the
seat
representing
28803
or
28704
seat,
and
appoint
s
lynn
like
his
world
to
feel
the
unexpired
term
of
the
at-large
seat
vacated
by
miss
bobbitt
mays.
Can
I
get
a
second
second?
Okay,
all
in
favor
say
aye
aye.
AB
AD
Thank
you,
roosevelt
harvin,
ricardo,
cejo,
sarah
wilcox,
kenneth,
bussie,
jr,
jeffrey
barton.
Can
I
get
a
second
second
all
right,
all
in
favor,
say
aye
aye
any
opposed
right
and
for
tda
it's
tricky
here,
so
just
kind
of
listen
in
so
we
recommend
to
re-advertise
for
the
two
seats
that
fill
the
101
plus
hotel
hotels
and
also
because
we
received
because
there
was
a
resignation
after
the
application
deadline,
we're
also
going
to
re-advertise
for
the
100
or
less
room
seat.
AD
AD
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Okay,
we're
now
down
to
informal
discussion
and
public
comment.
I
have
a
number
of
people
that
have
signed
up
to
speak
the
first
and
again.
This
is
a
three
minutes
please.
The
first
is
jacob,
I'm
ein
what
sure
I'm
sorry,
I
probably
you'll,
tell
us
how
I
should
have
said
that.
BA
BA
I
believe
that
black
lives
matter
and
the
blue
lives
matter
too.
Here's
why
I
feel
that
the
police
are
such
vital,
essential
workers
in
2018.
I
was
t-boned
by
a
drunk
driver
in
richmond
virginia
the
computer
in
his
camry
showed
he
was
traveling
at
80
miles
per
hour
in
a
25
zone.
That's
like
going
highway
speed
through
your
neighborhood.
BA
The
computer
also
showed
that
he
was
traveling
at
57.8
miles
per
hour
at
the
point
of
impact
into
the
driver's
side
of
my
2004
chevy
avail
with
his
2015
toyota
camry,
he
shattered
my
pelvis
broke.
My
left
femur
like
a
twig,
fractured
posterior,
ribs,
c5,
vertebrae,
my
right
ankle,
my
right
knee
and
multiple
facial
fracture
fractures.
BA
BA
BA
BA
The
offender
had
left
the
scene
of
the
crime.
It
was
the
police
who
found
him
five
days
later.
He
before
the
sentencing
hearing
the
offender
who
had
been
convicted
of
felony
hit
and
run,
I
was
overjoyed
to
meet.
The
officer
was
the
first
one
of
the
scene
of
crime.
I
thanked
him
profusely
for
coming
to
my
aid,
all
the
mts
who
saved
my
broken
body
as
I
have
promised.
I
have
no
argument
to
deploy
just
this
story.
To
tell
when
I
hear
talk
of
defunding
the
police,
I
just
get
confused
with
the
lingering
question.
BA
BA
A
Thank
you.
The
next
person
signed
up
to
speak
is,
I
think
it
says
sandy
aldridge.
A
No
okay,
jessie
ray.
BB
Got
the
energy
hello,
I'm
jonathan
wayne,
scott?
I
came
down
here
tonight
for
a
couple
reasons,
not
the
least
of
which
is
to
wish
a
happy
birthday
to
our
mayor.
BB
I
also
had
my
second
49th
birthday
back
in
december,
so
I
thought
about
you
know
riffing,
on
49
years
of
asheville
history
they're
less
attractive
than
our
mayor,
and
I
was
going
to
start
off
with
1888.
The
lynching
of
john
humphrey
is
a
black
man.
Here
in
asheville
is
accused
of
assaulting
a
13
year
old
white
girl
in
beaver
dam
and
then
in
1892
we
had
the
election
of
newton
shepard,
our
first
and
only
black
alderman
in
asheville
1883.
We
saw
lot
craig
come
to
asheville.
BB
He
was
a
white
supremacist
who
went
on
to
become
a
governor
and
then
in
1894
we
had
the
death
of
zebulon
advance.
1897
we
had
another
lynching
here
was
in
weaverville.
It
was
pretty
horrific.
It
was
involved
again.
The
allegation
of
a
white
woman
against
a
black
man
was
going
to
go
down
all
of
these
things
that
were
kind
of
left
out
in
the
reparations
truth-telling
commission
over
40,
the
49
years
between
1888
and
1931,
when
we,
you
know,
established
our
current
form
of
government
two
years
ago.
BB
We
just
you
know
we're
applauding
everybody's
hard
work
over
a
two-year
slog
to
figure
out
a
public
ordinance,
a
noise
ordinance.
It
took
us
two
years
staff
was
involved,
community
meetings
were
held,
scientists
were
called
data
was
presented,
the
contrast
between
our
noise
ordinance
and
the
changing
of
our
charter.
That
involved
that
was
focused
on
our
our
election
system
is
just
unbelievable
to
me.
It's
just
crazy.
I
mean
just
a
whole
room
of
passionate
people.
I
could
care
really
less
about
the
noise.
I
got
earplugs.
BB
BB
A
Okay,
all
right,
the
next
person
signed
up
to
speak
is
jim.
AI
Fulton
hi
there
I
haven't
been
here
before
and
I
have
views
that
are
different
than
a
lot
of
the
views
that
are
typically
expressed
here,
but
I
feel
it's
important
that
we've
heard
a
lot
about
balance.
I
think
it's
important
that
you
also
hear
conservative
views.
AI
We
need
our
police
and
we
need
to
figure
out
how
we're
going
to
take
care
of
our
police
and
keep
them
here
to
keep
us
safe.
So
that
was
one
thing
I
have
a.
I
have
a
lot
of
friends
who
are
liberal.
I
have
a
lot
of
friends
who
are
conservative
and
both
sides
have
have
said
in
in
common
discussions
that
they
just
don't
want
to
come
downtown
anymore.
AI
The
third
thing
I
wanted
to
mention
is
that
not
everybody
in
asheville
has
the
same
opinion
as
this
council
about
systemic
racism.
I
don't
believe
that
the
country
or
the
city
is
systemically
racist
and
many
others
don't
either.
That
doesn't
mean
that
I
support
racism.
I
just
don't
believe
that
we
are
systemically
racist.
AI
I've
listened
very
patiently
and
quietly
for
other
people
to
speak.
So
I
I
wanted
to
say
that
I
think
you
need
to
hear
that
there
are
citizens
here
who
do
not
follow
that
belief.
It's
an
opinion
and
a
belief,
it's
you
know,
and
you
can
write
as
many
resolutions
as
you'd
like,
but
it
won't
turn
that
belief
into
a
fact.
It's
it's
your
opinion
and
you're.
Welcome
to
that
opinion,
and
I'm
welcome
to
my
opinion.
A
L
A
L
Perhaps
you
are
picking
up
on
a
theme
from
us
by
now,
and
I
can
assure
you
that
we
have
already
picked
up
on
it.
We've
been
seeing
this
theme
of
gentrification
and
the
virtue
signaling
that
it
facilitates
it,
as
the
city
tries
to
make
poor
people
disappear.
We
see
it
when
camps
on
public
land
are
ripped
apart.
Here's
looking
at
you,
we
see
it
in
your
plan
to
eradicate
public.
L
L
Why
are
we
on
the
second
floor
of
a
building
with
no
way
to
engage
remotely
without
social
distancing?
Just
as
kova
is
spiking
dramatically
in
our
city,
while
mayor
manheimer
doesn't
even
have
the
respect
for
our
safety
to
wear
a
mask,
some
of
us
here
are
wearing
two,
while
putting
ourselves
at
risk
just
to
be
heard.
L
Your
actions
actively
disable
the
people
of
this
city
from
being
heard,
as
you
increasingly
fund
white
supremacist
gangs
that
terrorize
their
neighborhoods,
you
eradicate
public
housing
so
that
our
neighbors
have
nowhere
to
live.
You
pass
noise
ordinances
that
police
and
fine
our
ability
to
protest
these
violences
against
us
and
we
are
fed
up
so
listen,
close
and
listen.
Well,
deep
on
the
police,
abolish
all
prisons,
pay
reparations
and
give
cherokee
people
their
land
back.
W
Hutchins
there,
I
am,
I
feel
like
tonight,
has
just
been
a
rollercoaster
of
emotions,
and
so
I
want
to
say
that
I
was
really
encouraged
to
hear
about
the
partnerships
with
buncombe
county
community
land
trust
as
well
as
homeward
bound.
I
just
want
to
acknowledge
that
serving
our
houseless
community
and
addressing
local
access
and
affordability
is
a
huge
task,
and
I
just
I
see
those
as
being
really
up.
It
brought
me
a
lot
of
optimism
to
see
those
on
the
tape
table.
W
A
Thank
you,
rachel
appleton,.
A
A
BC
My
name
is
grits
and
I'm
a
resident
of
downtown
asheville.
I
want
to
acknowledge
the
loss
of
our
neighbor
robert
austin,
who
passed
on
july
23rd
in
the
buncombe
county
jail
murdered
by
the
cultural
state.
This
is
the
fourth
person
who
has
died
while
in
custody
in
the
last
year.
I
will
get
invite.
I
will
begin
by
saying
the
reason
that
I'm
not
there
and
why
why
I'm
calling
is
because
I'm
awaiting
test
results
for
covet
19
as
the
delta
variant
begins
to
search
through
our
community.
BC
It's
absolutely
mandatory
that
you
allow
for
virtual
public
comment
at
all
public
hearings,
as
we
see
cases
spike
from
here
forth,
the
fact
that
you're
investing
11
million
tax
paying
dollars
into
building
another
police
station
as
we
find
ourselves
facing
the
possibility
of
another
wave
of
the
virus
and
shut
down
as
you
raise
property
taxes
that
will
disproportionately
affect
black
and
brown
community
members
and,
as
you
continue
to
over
police,
black
and
brown
neighborhoods
reveals
the
blatant
lack
of
care.