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A
And
for
folks
listening
and
our
interviewees,
the
appointments
to
these
two,
these
two
commissions
will
be
made
at
this
evening.
City,
council,
meeting
or
meeting
starts
at
5..
Okay,
we're
going
to
begin
with
the
interviews
for
candidates
for
the
buncombe
county
tourism
development
authority
and
just
to
remind
everyone.
The
buncombe
county
tourism
development
authority
is
a
separate
entity
from
the
city
it
is
legislatively
created
and
the
board
makeup
is
also
legislatively
designated.
A
So
council
has
this
evening
an
opportunity
to
appoint
three
people
to
vacancies
on
the
buncombe
county,
tourism,
development
authority
and
two
of
the
spots
must
be
filled
by
a
hotelier
representing
a
hotel
that
has
101
rooms
or
more,
and
one
of
the
appointments
must
be
a
hotelier
for
a
hotel
with
a
hundred
or
less
rooms,
so
that
is
again
statutorily
mandated
and
council
and
fulfilling
its
statutory
requirements
is
conducting
these
interviews
they're
important
interviews.
So
we
do
these
interviews
in
a
forum
like
this.
A
Actually,
normally
we
do
them
in
the
council
chamber,
but
this
is
our
council
chamber
during
covid
we're
going
to
begin
with
our
first
interviewee,
and
that
is
pratik
vodka,
and
you
can
tell
me
if
I
said
your
name
wrong
critique,
but
if
you
would
please,
and
you
represent
a
hotel
over
101
100
101
rooms
are
larger.
If
you
could
I'll.
Just
kick
us
off.
If
you
could
begin
by
telling
us
why
you're
interested
in
serving
in
this
role.
B
If
you,
if
you
don't
mind
I'll
I'll
start
off
by
saying
you
know
here,
we
are
again
I've
applied
for
the
tdac
again.
Let
me
begin
by
introducing
myself
for
those
of
you
who
may
not
know
me
already.
My
name
is
petite
vodka,
a
hotelier
for
over
26
plus
years
and
a
resident
of
asheville
in
buncombe
county
for
over
37
plus
years.
B
B
It
is
with
pride
and
passion
that
we
welcome
people
in
our
homes
and
that
has
over
many
decades
here
in
america,
translated
to
hospitality
in
lodging.
How
so
you
say,
let
me
share
with
you
some
statistics
from
a
recent
oxford
economic
study.
This
information
can
also
be
found
at
ahoha.com.
That's
aahoa.com,.
B
Ahoa
stands
for
asian
american
hotel
owners,
association,
in
fact
asian
americans
own
60
percent
of
the
hotels
and
motels
nationwide.
That's
six
out
of
every
10
hotels
in
north
carolina
north
carolina
alone.
It's
67.7,
I
would
venture
to
say
it's
higher
than
that
in
buncombe
county.
B
We
do
it
all
still,
but
to
that
extent
I
also
believe
that
we
need
equal
representation
on
the
tda.
We
work
hard
every
day
in
our
lives,
and
we
have
been
welcomed
into
part
of
this
community.
Many
decades
ago
received.
We
received
some
negativity
and
criticisms
from
the
press
and
also
from
some
of
our
elected
leaders,
but
we
do
not
let
that
deter
us,
nor
dissuade
us
from
trying
to
better
ourselves
and
the
community
around
us.
Most
of
us
came
from
nothing.
B
We
did
not
have
much
growing
up,
but
we
worked.
We
saved,
we
earned.
We
invested
in
our
families
and
ourselves.
I
feel
that
we
should
have
a
voice
on
the
tda
so
that
we
can
continue
to
invest
in
our
community
community
by
means
of
hospitality.
Listen
I've
grown
up
here.
My
kids
have
grown
up
here.
My
roots
are
here:
I
will
probably
retire
if
and
when
that
time
comes.
B
I
ask
you
to
consider
me
yet
again,
so
that
we
can
work
together
to
mend
the
divide
that
has
been
created
and
work
together
to
better
our
community
and
the
economy
in
this
area.
As
you
know,
the
buncombe
county
tourism
development
authority
is
a
public
authority
created
in
1983
by
the
act
of
north
carolina
legislature
to
oversee
the
collection,
investment
of
occupancy
taxes
paid
by
travelers
who
stay
overnight
in
commercializing
establishment
establishments
such
as
hotels,
motels
bed
and
breakfast
operations
and
vacation
rentals.
B
The
members
of
the
bctda
have
a
fiduciary
responsibility
to
ensure
that
tax
dollars
are
spent
in
accordance
with
the
specific
legislation
governing
their
use.
As
referenced
by
the
mayor,
I'm
I'm
willing
to
volunteer
my
time
energy
and
efforts
to
help
better
our
community
and
if
I
can
answer
any
questions,
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
them.
C
I
have
one
and
it's
just
based
on
what
you
just
said
you
mentioned
about
mending
a
divide,
exactly
what
type
of
divide
are
you
referencing.
B
Well,
it's
no
secret
that
the
past
several
years,
there's
there's
this
divide,
that
hotels
are,
are
bad
and-
and
you
know,
they're
historically,
you
know
meant
to
be
or
or
in
the
press
have
been.
You
know
just
a
negative
stigma.
You
know
we
we
as
hoteliers
know
that
we're
part
of
this
community.
B
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we
can
do
everything
we
can
within
legislation
and
statutes
to
to
give
back
to
the
community
any
which
way
we
can
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
want
to
work
with
city
council.
We
want
to
work
with
buncombe
county
to
make
sure
that
you
know
we
we
as
a
community,
thrive
and
prosper
together.
Not
just
you
know,
one
or
the
other.
B
A
You
sandra
kilgore,
I
think
you
had
your
hand
raised
next
and
then
we'll
go
to
sage's
question.
D
Good,
I
just
wondered
what
are
some
ideas
that
you
have
in
particular
that
you
think
could
actually
improve
that
relationship
between
the
community
and
the
hotel
industry?
Do
you
have
something
new
to
bring
to
the
table
that
the
tda
has
not?
You
felt
feel
that
they
haven't
really
addressed.
B
Well,
I
think
you
know
the
dialogue
is
just
not
there.
I
think
there's
there's
animosity
and
hostility
towards
one
or
the
other.
I
think
we
can.
We
could
do
a
better
job
of
that.
In
fact,
you
know,
there's,
there's
programs
that
I
think
we
may
be
able
to
use
some
of
those
funds.
I'd
have
to
do
a
lot
more
research
on
there
to
figure
out
if
we
are
allowed
to
use
some
of
those
funds
to
help
enhance
part
of
the
community.
B
In
terms
of
you
know
what
the
legislation
allows
us
to
do
and
I'd
be
happy
to.
You
know,
sit
down
and
say
you
know
sandra.
Let's,
let's
see
if
we
can
focus
on
this
outreach
or
that
because
that's
going
to
benefit
the
community
as
in
general,
and
we
can
still
figure
out
a
way
that
we
can
use
those
funds
to
bring
that
to
to
the
table.
E
Yes,
thanks.
Thank
you
critique,
so
you
keep
mentioning
legislation
and
the
fiduciary
responsibility
of
the
bctda,
and
I
agree
I'm
curious.
You
know
there
is
a
bill
currently
out
there
that
would
change
the
percentage
allocated
between
public
investment
and
capital
projects
et
cetera
and
marketing.
Do
you
support
that
bill
and
have
you
been
able
to
use
your
voice
to
support
it
at
a
state
level.
B
I
believe
that
you
know
we
we
think
we
can
come
down
from
the
75
to
that
66
percent,
and
I
welcome
that.
There
has
been
preliminary
discussions
about
funding
some
city
city,
things
that
we
could
probably
convince
or
not
we
but
not
the
tda,
but
you
know,
hoteliers
in
general
could
talk
with
state
legislatures
legislators
to
figure
out
if
we
can
invest
some
of
those
proceeds
to
you
know,
city
city
funds.
B
But
yes,
I
do
support.
You
know
going
down
from
75
to
66.
F
This
is
kim
just
lifting
up
what
sandra's
already
named.
Do
you
have
any
any
specific
examples
of
innovative
or
creative
ways
that
we
could
work
within
the
legislation?
We
have
right
now.
B
Again,
let
me
reiterate
that
you
know
we
would
have
to
get
in
there
and
discuss
what
possibilities
there
are
I,
as
I've
not
been
on
the
tda.
I
can't
excuse
me,
I
can't
tell
you
what's
been
or
what
hasn't
been
discussed,
but
I
can
tell
you
that
I
I'd
be
willing
to
sit
down
and
say
yeah,
let's,
let's,
let's
try
this.
H
G
Good,
what
do
you
see
the
tda's
role
with
the
legislators?
Do
you
feel
like
it's
completely
hands
off
or
do
you
feel
like
the
tda
actually
has
a
role
in
a
lobbying
kind
of
position.
B
I
believe
that
tda
should
not
be
put
in
that
situation.
Where
it's
it's
it's
a
you
know
it's
authority
created
by
the
legislature.
You
know
obviously
there's
there's.
You
know
politics
involved
at
every
level.
I
think
the
tda
just
needs
to
do
their
job,
which
is
specified
into
that.
If
there
are
specific,
you
know,
legislators
that
that
you
know
we
could
talk
to
or
from
the
hotel
leaders
perspective,
that's
a
different
story,
but
I
think
yeah
as
far
as
cda
goes.
A
Okay,
then,
our
final
minute,
any
other
questions.
A
B
For
your
time-
and
you
know,
if
you
have
any
further
questions,
feel
free
to
reach
out,
even
if
I'm
not
selected.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
H
A
Okay,
we're
our
next
interviewee,
who
I'm
not
sure
yes
he
is
on
here,
is
scott.
You
have
to
tell
me
how
to
say
your
last
name.
Kirchner,
hopefully,
is
correct.
A
And
you
might
be
on
mute,
I'm
not
sure,
but
if
you
would
able
to
take
this
interview
off
I'll
start
it,
and
just
by
asking
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
why
you're
interested
in
serving
on
the
tourism
development
authority.
I
Sure
thank
you
mayor
and,
yes,
you
did
pronounce
it
correctly,
scott
kirchner
and
I
too
would
like
to
just
share
a
little
background
about
myself.
I'm
currently
the
general
manager
of
the
element
hotel
in
downtown
we
opened
just
recently,
but
I
I've.
H
I
In
the
asheville
area
for
about
12
years
and
worked
in
hospitality
all
of
those
12
years,
I've
really
really
enjoyed
it
all
the
people,
I've
met
locally,
all
the
people
I've
learned
from,
and
I'm
really
excited
about
this
opportunity
to
work
at
a
little
bit
of
a
in
a
different
capacity
than
what
I
have.
I
I've
moved
around
quite
a
bit
growing
up
as
a
kid
I
was
born
in
london,
england
lived
in
saudi
arabia,
didn't
spend
more
than
two
years
in
any
given
place.
But
when
the
opportunity
came
for
me
to
go
to
college,
I
picked
little
old,
brevard
college,
all
the
way
from
houston,
texas
and
decided.
I
really
wasn't
going
to
leave
so
I've
really.
I
I've
made
it
a
point
to
make
asheville
a
home.
My
wife
and
I
live
here
we'll
be
starting
our
family
here
and
I'm
really
excited
about
the
opportunity
to
dive
into
this
role
potentially
and
see
what
what
I
can
give
back
to
this
community.
That's
given
me
so
much.
D
D
Great
thanks
tell
me,
and
you
were
saying
about
your
travel
and
the
different
areas
where
you've
lived
or
whatever
what
are
some
ideas
or
or
that
you
may
have
picked
up
somewhere
along
the
way
that
you
could
share
with
the
tva.
That
would
make
it
more
effective.
You
know,
as
far
as
this
relationship
in
the
community
or
things
that
it
could
do.
I
Thank
you,
I
think
simply
put
the
first
thing
that
comes
to
mind
is
open-mindedness.
That's
something
I
mean
certainly
living
in
a
few
different
places
around
the
world.
You,
I
think,
a
not
just
a
tolerance
but
a
an
open-mindedness
to
listen
more
than
you
speak,
work
to
understand,
work
to
better
a
relationship
or
a
a
network
of
relationships.
That's
something
that
I've
worked
hard.
My
whole
life
to
do.
I'm
definitely
a
better.
I
I
think
a
better
listener
than
I
am
a
speaker
often,
and
I
think
that's
something
that
whether
or
not
it's
already
being
done
effectively.
I
think
I'd
work
to
make
sure
that
we
are
doing
as
a
as
a
board.
G
I
Sure
I'll
tell
you
first,
I'm
I'm
excited
to
learn
more
about
what
that
presently
looks
like
seeing
it
sort
of
from
the
the
the
outside.
I
have
some
some
thoughts
there,
but
I
think
my
initial
thought
is
that
the
tda's
primary
role
is
to
work
to
enhance
everything
that
our
cvb
friends
explore.
Asheville
are
doing
support
them
work
in
tandem
with
them,
and
that
same
that
goes
as
well
for
the
the
product
development
fund.
I
I
think
that's
where
the
priority
might
be
versus
working
with
legislators
in
that
regard,
so
I
I
think
I
might
share
about
the
same
sentiment
as
pratik
mentioned
earlier.
A
E
Thank
you,
hi
scott,
thank
you
for
being
here,
I'm
curious
as
someone
that
would
be
voting
on
those
capital
projects,
tpdx
funds
and
et
cetera,
and
the
community,
whether
that
be
25
or
33.
Yes,
yet
to
be
known,
what
investments
in
the
community
would
you
prioritize
with
those
funds.
I
Without
being
able
to
speak
specifically
to
you
know
precise
projects,
you
know,
projects
that
are
in
line
more
with
long-term
sustainable
impacts
that
again
align
with
what
our
collective
goals
are,
not
just
through
the
tda
but
as
a
community,
and
I
think
that
goes
back
to
listening
and
understanding
what
it
is
our
community
needs.
I
I
realize
that
you
know.
I
One
of
the
goals
of
the
of
that
fund
is
to
help
generate
and
drive
occupancy
in
room
nights,
but
it
also
is
extremely
important
that
these
are
sustainable,
impactful,
meaningful
projects
that
can
be
utilized
for
the
long
term
with
our
local
community
members.
A
Okay,
I
I'm
gonna
see
if
anyone
else
has
a
question,
but
I
was
just
gonna
jump
in.
Can
I
I'd
just
like
to
ask
you
pointedly?
Are
you?
A
Are
you
aware
of
the
pending
legislation
that
would
allow
a
change
in
how
the
room
taxes
allocated
move
it
from
one
quarter
towards
capital
versus
allowing
it
to
be
a
third
of
the
room
tax
and
allow
more
flexibility,
so
it
can
be
for
maintenance,
or
even
maybe
some
operational
expenses
that
the
city
and
county
might
have.
A
I
Yes,
I
am
aware
of
it
and
I
I
do
believe
I
am
with
without
knowing
exactly
how
that
will
work.
I
think
that
again,
it
goes
back
to
how
this
board
would
work
with
the
city
on
how
just
I
think
it
just
comes
down
to
making
sure
we're
all
in
tandem
we're
all
in
sync,
and
if
we
can
do
that,
which
I'm
confident
we
can.
I
am
in
favor
of
that.
I
think
it's
it's
important.
I
F
I
That's
a
great
question
I
and
I
like
what
you
said
about
first
understanding,
what
it
is,
that's
getting
in
our
way
to
achieve
those
goals,
and
just
candidly,
I'm
not
sure
what
those
are
at
this
point
just
again
being
on
the
outside
of
this
to
some
degree
for
for
so
long.
I
have
some
idea,
but
I
don't.
I
don't
want
to
speculate
too
much.
I
I
suppose
what
would
my
my
initial
thought
would
be:
is
understanding
sort
of
the
sandbox
that
we
all
have
to
play
in
understanding
how
you
know
what
all
we
can
do
there,
what
what?
What
are
our
opportunities?
What
are
the
the
existing
tools?
We
have
at
hand.
What
are
our
existing
goals?
Do
we
need
to
tweak
those?
Do
we
need
to
realign
those
and
just,
I
think,
more
impactfully
being
able
to
work
together
as
one
solid
group
versus
more
of
a?
I
don't
want
to
use
the
word
adversarial,
but
just
you
know
working
together.
I
So
it's
it's
a
good
question.
I
I
struggle
to
answer
it
with
specifics,
but
yeah.
I
think
that's
kind
of
how
I
would
land
on
that.
Thank
you,
scott.
A
I
A
Okay,
we're
going
to
turn
now
to
the
interview
of
michael
lusic,
who's
just
joined
us
and,
I
should
say,
scott
represented
a
hotel
of
a
hundred
or
less
rooms,
and
mr
lusic
represents
a
hotel
of
101
plus
rooms.
J
Better
now,
all
right
so
again,
my
name
is
michael
lucic,
and
I
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
even
be
considered
for
this
position.
J
Relative
newcomer
to
asheville
I've
been
here
about
three
and
a
half
years,
and
my
wife
and
myself
my
family
have
been
so
impressed
with
asheville
the
hospitality
at
almost
every
turn,
whether
in
business
neighborhoods,
the
schools,
the
churches,
that
we
there's
no
question
we're
staying
here,
and
I
felt
I
want
to
do
something
to
give
back
to
the
community
something
there.
I
could
use
my
talents
to
maybe
benefit
asheville
in
some
way.
J
This
seemed
to
be
the
the
most
likely
the
best
vehicle
for
me
at
the
moment
that
I've
seen-
and
I
thought
I've
been
here
long
enough.
Well,
I've
still
got
some
things
to
learn
about
asheville
and
how
things
are
done
in
nashville.
I
do
feel
like
I've
got
enough
under
my
belt
and
that
I
think
I
could
contribute
and
be
a
positive
factor
towards
the
growth
of
the
community.
A
All
right
thanks:
anyone
want
to
kick
us
off
with
a
question
our.
J
Good
question:
I
don't
know
enough
about
the
finances.
What
I
do
know
is
that
if
both
sides
aren't
happy,
then
probably
not
so
what
is
the
solution?
In
the
end,
I
think
if
these
organizations
are
going
to
exist,
we
need
to
co-exist
to
the
success
of
for
both.
J
So
I
I
do
sense
attention
from
the
city
side
that
they're
not
contributing
enough
again,
I'm
not
educated
well
enough
to
know
what
that
the
dollar
numbers
are,
but
is
there
and
should
there
be
an
improvement
in
the
relationships,
the
contribution
towards
the
mutual
success,
I
believe
so.
I
think
I
actually
believe
it's
in
both
organizations
best
interest
to
find
a
way
to
be
more
successful
together.
D
Yes,
my
question
is
sort
of
the
same,
but
I've
been
asking
all
the
candidates
is.
What
do
you
think
do
you
have
some
ideas
where
you
think
that
you
could
actually
improve
on
what
the
tda
is
doing
or
you
know
or
some
you
know
different
ways
to
look
at
it
as
far
as
process.
J
I
believe
so
not
having
been
into
involved
in
their
current
meetings.
I've
been
fortunate
in
my
career
to
work
around
the
country
and
both
large
cities
and
smaller
communities.
J
So
I
think
my
experience
in
dealing
with
so
many
different
organizations
in
different
communities.
I
can
bring
some
successes
that
people
may
not
have
seen,
and
I've
worked
in
every
state
in
in
the
country
other
than
hawaii
done
work
with
both
cities
and
hotel
companies
and
businesses.
J
So
I've
seen
learned
and
I
think
how
to
work
together,
how
to
compromise,
how
to
work
towards
solutions
versus
how
do
we
protect
ourselves
from
each
other,
which
I
think
is
a
lot
of
times
the
cases
we're
so
worried
about
losing
something
that
we're
supposed
to
focus
on
protecting
ourselves
versus
okay?
Where
is
the
opportunity
for
us
to
move
forward
together
and
you
keep
chipping
away
at
that
next,
you
know
we're
working
together.
A
E
Thank
you
for
being
here
and
it's
nice
to
meet
you
virtually.
Thank
you
so
yeah.
So
the
current
legislation
allows
for
25
of
the
lodging
tax
to
be
reinvested
in
the
community
and
75
goes
into
marketing.
Those
percentages
are
up
for
change
of
the
bill.
Currently,
I'd
be
curious
to
know
if
you
support
a
larger
percentage
going
to
projects.
More
importantly,
I
would
like
to
know
as
someone
that
would
sit
on
that
board
and
vote
on
what
projects
and
what
investment
since
the
community
would
be
made.
J
Good
question,
so
I
did
stand
on
advisory
board
where
they,
they
kind
of
felt
the
hotel
community
felt
decided
about
whether
we
would
support
the
change
and
my
I'd
probably
say
an
organization
voted.
Yes
to
support
the
change.
That's
both
my
ownership
as
as
well
as
myself,
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
opportunity.
I
know
the
infrastructure
in
asheville
is
a
challenge
with.
I
know
we
bring
a
lot
of
demands
on
the
on
the
city,
so
infrastructure
is
definitely
an
opportunity.
J
There's
no
question
that
that
housing,
whether
it's
for
business
community
just
morally,
we
need
to
find
a
way
both
as
businesses
and
private
citizens
to
to
help
the
city
in
in
that
effort.
So
well,
I
know
my
focus
is
on
the
on
the
business
side
of
this.
I
think
there
is
a
responsibility
here,
it's
good
for
us,
but
it's
also
a
moral
responsibility
that
just
too
many
people
struggling
to
to
find
a
place
to
to
live,
and
you
know
go
to
sleep
at
night.
J
So
I
do
think
that
that's
there's
got
to
be
some
way
for
us
to
work
together
towards
that
solution
and
I
think,
there's
a
role
to
be
played
there
by
the
tda.
You
know
I
speak
a
little
bit
lack
of
education
on
some
of
what
the
project
opportunities
are,
but
I
do
think
there
are
opportunities
there.
E
G
B
E
G
So
I
asked
this
same
question
before
you
know.
The
tda
is
a
legislatively
determined
body,
but
it
also
really
represents
the
hotel
industry.
I
think
from
the
perspective
of
the
legislators,
and
certainly
from
or
the
state
legislators,
and
certainly
from
the
perspective
of
local
legislators.
G
J
I
don't
know
how
aggressive
or
perhaps
we
should
be
in
in
legislation
if
we've
agreed
to
something
we
should
do
what
we
can
to
move
that
forward
quickly
and
not
and
eliminate
any
obstacles
towards
getting
what
might
be
agreed
to
executed,
and
I
do
see
the
tdas
work
with
the
local
government
and
the
officials
to
determine
solutions
and
then
once
we
agree
on,
we
should
then
support
those
with
the
legislature
as
a
unified
voice
or
in
supporting
whatever
compromise
or
agreement
we
come
to.
J
A
Okay,
well,
I
want
to
thank
you
for
joining
us
here
today
if
there,
if
there's
anything,
you
want
to
add
at
the
end
here
that
you
can
do
that
or
we'll
just
close
it
out.
J
I'll
take
just
10
seconds,
so
I
am
passionate
about
being
more
involved
with
asheville.
So
if
this
isn't,
the
the
right
role
in
your
opinion
for
me
know
that
I've
got
a
lot
of
experience
in
business
and
a
lot
of
experience
both
in
hotels
and
some
other
areas
that,
if
there's
some
other
avenue
where
I
could
support
an
organization
or
somewhere.
One
of
you
please
reach
out
I'd,
welcome
the
opportunity
to
contribute
somewhat
in
some
way.
A
Okay.
Next,
we
are
going
to
interview.
Larry,
crosby
and
larry
represents
hotels
of
the
size
of
a
hundred
rooms
or
less,
and
there
is
larry,
I'm
looking
all
around
my
screen
all
right.
Sorry,
everyone's
just
a
little
box,
hello,
mr
crosby,
if
you
could
just
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
why
you're
interested
in
serving
on
the
tourism
development
authority.
L
Good
afternoon
and
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
have
this
interview
and
the
opportunity
to
hopefully
join
onto
the
tda
board,
I'm
excited
about
this
this
process,
because
I
am
passionate
about
tourism.
I've
been
in
the
industry
since
I've
gotten
out
of
college,
and
I
moved
from
here
moved
to
asheville
from
charleston
south
carolina.
L
I've
been
here
about
three
and
a
half
years
and
charleston
has
very
a
lot
of
similarities,
as
as
I
noticed
when
I
moved
here
as
asheville,
a
small
growing
city
that
has
a
strong
foundation
and
basis
in
tourism,
and
with
that
knowledge
and
experience,
I
want
to
be
someone
who
can
at
least
have
a
perspective.
That's
different!
That
really
comes
in
with
unique
and
challenging
ideas,
someone
who
lives
and
works
in
the
middle
of
downtown.
I
see
every
day
the
direct
impacts
of
tourism
on
this
community.
L
I
work
with
people
every
day
that
you
know
struggle
with
the
cost
of
living
struggle
with
the
traffic
parking
situations
that
we
deal
with,
but
also
you
know.
I
feel
it
is
very
important
to
highlight
the
good
that
tourism
does
for
communities
as
well.
So
I
want
to
be
able
to
be
someone
who
can
at
least
bring
that
voice
forward
and
really,
hopefully,
impart
change.
A
Thank
you.
Anyone
have
any
questions,
yes
sandra,
please.
D
Hi
larry
and
thanks
so
very
much
very
happy
to
have
you
here
today
anyway.
I
want
to
ask
you,
like
you,
were
saying:
bringing
in
new
ideas
and
things
like
that.
Could
you
maybe
sort
of
elaborate
on
maybe
some
ideas
that
you
think
could
help
improve
the
overall
tourist
a
tda
and
also
improve
the
relationship
with
the
community
itself?.
L
Absolutely
and
thank
you
for
that
question
sandra.
I
think
it's
important
to
listen
and
engage
with
our
community.
We
have
many
people
who
are
passionate
about
the
issue
of
tourism,
but
when
it
comes
to
ideas,
I
think
we
have
to
be
forward
thinking.
L
I
think
it's
important
to
be
innovative.
Maybe
there's
an
opportunity
to
redefine
what
projects
are
funded
with
the
allocation
of
25.
Maybe
perhaps
there's
you
know
initiatives
that
as
a
tda
board,
we
can
push
hoteliers
and
people
who
operate
home
states
to
do
on
their
side
that
maybe
can
assist
in
the
community.
I
think
it's
just
really
important
that
you
know
we
listen
a
lot.
You
know
as
my
role
as
general
manager.
L
You
know
it's
very
important
that
I
listen
to
all
my
staff
and
my
employees
and
the
people
that's
within
this
community,
of
the
block
of
how
we
impact
this
neighborhood
and
also
you
know,
asheville
as
a
whole,
but
also
again
really
starting
to
think
outside
the
box
of
what
we've
done
or
the
tda
has
probably
done
for
the
last
20
to
25
years
and
say
to
ourselves.
Is
there
a
way
that
we
can
redefine
the
way
that
tourism
neither
marketing,
does
not
marketing
dollars,
but,
let's
say
the
25
percent
allocation?
L
Is
there
a
way
that
we
could
fund
projects
that
will
more
meet
the
needs
of
everyone
involved
and
not
just
tourism
related?
You
know,
I
think,
just
again
simply
listening
to
those
who
have
a
stake
in
this
is
really
important.
G
This
this
is
gwen,
mr
crosby,
thanks
for
coming
today,
it's
good
meeting
you
I'm
going
to
ask
the
same
question
that
I've
asked
everybody
else
is
the
tva
is
obviously
a
board.
That's
been
determined
legislatively,
but,
however,
you
also
vote
on
and
determine
if
there
are
changes
that
needs
to
be
made
to
the
legislation
both
at
the
state
level.
What
do
you
see
the
role
of
tda
relative
to
enacting
new
legislation
and
lobbying
for
changes
or
or
even
lobbying,
for
status
quo?.
L
L
We
try
our
best
to
become
a
voice
for
things
that
you
know.
We
do
think
that
how
things
should
move
you
know.
Lobbying
is
certainly
something
I
don't
think
again
is
in
the
interest
of
the
tda
as
a
whole,
but
I
do
think
there's
a
difference
between
lobbying
advocating
gating
for
change,
and
I
think
that
is
something
that
we
can
certainly
do
actively
within
our
communities
in
out
in
the
public
space.
E
This
is
sage
thanks,
larry,
for
being
here
today,
good
to
see
you,
we've
talked
a
little
bit
about
the
legislation.
It
was
great
to
hear
you
respond
about
projects
and
doing
better
projects
that
are
more
cohesive
for
the
community
and
all
the
inputs.
Great
answers
there.
I'm
wondering
you
know,
as
you
know,
there's
this
bill
out
to
potentially
change
the
legislation
and
increase
the
percentage
that
would
go
into
capital
projects.
Do
you
support
that
and
if
it
didn't
pass
this
year,
would
you
support
future
efforts
of
such.
L
Yes,
and
thank
you
as
well
for
that
question.
Yes,
I
do
support
that
change.
I
think
there's
a
need
to
move
now
that
we
see
that
the
marketing
dollars
are
doing
their
fair
share
to
bring
generate
tourism
to
this
community
and
that
reallocation
would
appropriately
at
least
fund
projects.
That's
outside
of
you
know
the
marketing
efforts
if
it
wasn't
to
be
passed
this
year.
I
think
it's
something
that,
in
the
past,
former
members
of
the
board
have
promised
to
be
advocates
for
that
change.
L
So
we
should
continue
that
work
and
really
try
to
deliver
that
promise
to
communities
of
you
know
at
least
having
that
different
split
of
66
to
33.
So
I
think
that's
something
that
we
should
continuously
try
to
push
forward
to
yearly
until
they
make
a
change.
K
I
have
a
question
for
you
larry.
You
made
a
comparison
between
asheville
and
charleston,
but
one
thing
I
can
say
off
the
top
of
my
head:
that's
missing
from
asheville,
that's
very
significant
in
charleston
is
the
black
culture
and
how
they
contribute
to
the
arts
and
tourism.
Do
you
see
an
opportunity
there
and
can
you
advocate
for
that.
L
Absolutely,
I
think,
charleston,
you
know
a
very
historic
city,
you
know
the
roots
of
charleston's,
build
it
built
offer.
You
know
the
the
evils
of
slavery,
and
certainly
there
was
a
large
black
community
there
that
I
saw
you
know
very
much
gentrified
throughout
the
years
that
I
was
there
astral
from
what
I
know
in
in
talking
to
community
leaders
here
has
been
gentrified
for
a
very
long
time
and
the
sense
of
culture
in
place
for
african-american.
L
Here
african-americans
here
has
been
devoid
and
I
think
there
is
more
that
needs
to
be
done.
You
can
certainly
fund
initiatives.
I
think,
even
with
the
marketing
efforts
that
we
currently
put
out
there,
we
can
be
attracting
different
type
of
visitors
that
look
more
like
myself
or
different
walks
of
life
and
different
divers
from
different,
diverse
backgrounds.
I
give
an
example
of
atlanta
georgia,
which
has
a
very
high
affluent
black
and
black
american
community
there.
That
has
a
lot
of
money
that
would
love
to
come,
spend
money
in
nashville.
We
should
be.
L
You
know,
targeting
specific
types
of
marketing
efforts
towards
them.
They're,
only
three
and
a
half
hours
down
the
road
essentially-
and
you
know,
there's
just
a
lot
of
opportunity,
especially
within
the
neighborhood
that
I
am
I'm
in,
which
is
the
block
neighborhood.
I
see
a
vision
for
this
place
to
have
a
rebirth
of
sorts
with
the
businesses
that
surround
the
hotel,
the
ymi
and
with
the
redevelopment
and
renovation
of
that
building,
which
should
be
the
anchor
of
this
neighborhood.
There's.
L
A
K
A
Have
any
questions
in
our
closing
couple
of
minutes
here.
L
Yeah,
I'd
probably
close
out
by
saying
you
know
again
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
have
this
interview.
I'm
really
passionate
about
the
industry
that
I
work
in.
It
has
afforded
me
the
opportunity
to
live
in
crazy,
great
places
like
asheville
and
charleston
and
travel
the
world,
and
I
do
realize
that
you
know
we
do
a
lot
of
good
for
the
community.
I
think
it's
certainly
good
to
to
highlight
that,
and
we
have
an
opportunity
now
to
kind
of
change
the
face
of
what
the
tda
looks
and
how
it
represents.
L
You
know
this
city
and
also,
I
really
think
that
it's
the
opportunity
to
get
everyone
involved
and
have
the
conversations
that
aren't
so
you
know
one
corner
versus
another
corner.
We
really
need
to
come
together
and
really
be
meaningful
about
it
and
not
just
be
talking
rhetoric.
I
think
action
is
going
to
really.
You
know
lead
at
the
end
of
the
day,
and
you
know
strategic
planning,
of
course,
in
the
right
directions
is
going
to
get
us
there.
L
But
again,
thank
you,
for
you
know
the
opportunity
to
have
this
interview,
and
hopefully
I
can
be
elected
and,
if
not
certainly
still
love
to
be
a
continually
contributing.
Member
of
this
you
know
community.
A
Okay-
and
we
have
one
final
interview
now
and
that's
matthew,
lehmann,
I'm
looking
around
my
little
screen
and
there
he
is
hello,
and
I
don't
know
if
you
go
by
matt
or
matthew,
but
it
says
matthew
on
your
box.
So
I'm
going
with
matthew.
A
Can
you
just
start
off
by
telling
us
a
little
bit
about
why
you're
interested
in
serving
on
those
beeping
noises?
Sarah,
why
you're
interested
in
serving
on
the
tourism
development
authority.
M
Well,
I
think
part
of
our
role
as
hoteliers
is
understanding
that
our
role
extends
far
beyond
our
property
and
and
obliges
us
to
be
a
representative
of
our
community
and
to
support
that
community.
I
think
people
travel
not
for
a
hotel
room.
You
know
I
like
to
say
when
you're
lying
in
bed
and
your
eyes
are
closed,
you
could
be
anywhere
it's
a
dark
room.
M
What
the
reason
you
you
choose
to
visit
a
place
is
the
people
that
have
created
the
spirit
of
that
community
that
make
it
special
that
have
the
the
draw
if
you
will,
and
so
our
role
as
hoteliers
is
to
be
participants
of
that
community
and
to
work
to
benefit
that
community,
so
that
we
can
continue
to
have
that
spirit
that
that
makes
people
want
to
come
here.
M
In
the
first
place,
I
moved
to
asheville
about
a
year
and
a
half
ago
from
santa
monica
california,
which
believe
it
or
not,
is
very
similar
to
asheville
similar
population
size,
just
surrounded
by
los
angeles
instead
of
the
beautiful
mountains,
similar
challenges
in
terms
of
protecting
a
community
that
made
it
special
in
the
first
place.
Despite
the
increase
in
demand-
and
I
moved
here
because
I
wanted
to
be
a
long-term
part
of
another
community-
I
was
at
my
last
job
for
12
years.
M
I've
got
two
little
girls
and
want
to
be
in
asheville
for
a
long
time
as
well
and
in
santa
monica
I
was
chair
of
the
cvb
there,
santa
monica
travel
and
tourism.
I
was
chair
of
the
tourism
marketing
district.
I
did
a
lot
of
work
with
visit,
los
angeles,
and
so
I
find
it
you
know
not
just
obligatory
but
very
rewarding
to
be
part
of
helping,
sustain
a
community
and
reflect
the
values
of
the
community,
while
creating
opportunities
for
for
people
that
live
here.
M
There's
a
great
thing
about
hotel
jobs
is
that
they
can't
be
outsourced
and
so
there's
great
opportunity
for
people
to
find
a
career,
gain
an
education
and
set
themselves
off
on
a
great
path
in
life
through
working
in
hospitality
and
tourism.
A
G
Mr
lehmann,
it's
interesting
that
you
have
experience
in
santa
monica
in
you
know
and
kind
of
doing.
The
same
kind
of
thing
relative
to
representing
the
hotel
industry
was
so
in
nashville,
as
you
probably
figured
out
there,
their
their
a
segment
of
the
population
that
has
a
problem
with
tourism
and
thinks
you
know
we're
over
touristed
and,
and
you
know,
wages
are
low
and
you
know
all
the
all
those
issues
did
you
have
the
same
issue
in
santa
monica
and
how
did
that
community
address
that.
M
We
we
did
have
the
same
issue
in
santa
monica
and,
as
one
of
our
council
members
said
in
a
meeting
with
us,
once
people
are
coming,
whether
we
like
it
or
not,
it's
our
job,
not
to
dissuade
them.
It's
our
job
to
manage
that
process.
Well
as
stewards
of
our
community
and
that
always
stuck
with
me.
M
So
we
can
shape
you
know
our
path,
moving
forward
a
little
differently
and
reflect
their
needs
better
and
also
try
to
work
to
make
sure
that
the
benefits
of
tourism
in
any
area
are
are
received
by
the
entirety
of
the
community.
So
there's
an
equitable
distribution
of
the
of
that
upside.
If
you
will,
as
opposed
to
only
seeing
the
benefit
for
certain
people,
but
communication
is,
is
is
first
and
foremost
in
my
mind,
especially
the
listening
piece,
but
also
the
sharing.
So
we
can
shape
this
together.
C
Piggy
backing
on
a
discussion
that
began
in
larry's
interview,
I'm
wondering
if
you
have
given
any
consideration,
what
ideas
you
may
have
about
diversifying
and
expanding
the
types
of
tourists
that
we
market
to.
M
Well,
I
I
think
again
it's
the
unique
qualities
of
asheville
that
create
the
the
appeal
and
that
those
unique
qualities
come
from
a
very
diverse
community,
and
so
I
think
it
behooves
us
to
market
to
a
very
diverse
community.
M
There
is
there's
a
universality
to
travel.
All
people
like
to
travel
all
people,
I
believe,
truly
want
to
experience
new
things.
One
new
experience.
You
know
seeing
new
sites
trying
new
foods
and
appreciating
the
unique
spirit
of
a
destination.
M
So
I
think
it's
it's
it's
absolutely
critical
for
us
to
as
a
marketing
organization
to
make
sure
our
outreach
is
as
broad
and
diverse
as
the
community.
We
serve.
H
D
Thank
you,
I
just
wondered.
Basically,
do
you
have
any
ideas
or
creative
ideas,
or
you
know,
that's
something
that
you
could
share
with
us,
that
you
see
that
the
tda
could
do
better
and
it's
in
in
its
relationship
with
community
to
actually
improve
that.
M
M
I
think
you
need
to
make
sure
you're
you're,
extending
that
outreach
to
your
community
and
that
you're
hearing
what
needs
they
need
to
be
served,
how
we
can
bring
benefits
to
them
because
it's
it's
easy
to
say
you
know
it's
a
it's
a
public
meeting,
it's
posted,
but
I
imagine,
despite
all
these
many
squares,
there's
not
a
whole
lot
of
our
community
joining
in
to
listen
to
interviews
for
tda
board,
and
so
if
we
can
embrace
different
types
of
outreach,
outreach
and
community
participation,
especially
you
know,
god
willing
when
delta
passes
and
we
can
meet
in
person
again.
M
There's
the
opportunity
to
to
connect
with
people
on
an
individual
level
as
opposed
to
just
meetings
and
minutes.
K
I
just
feel
led
to
ask
you
just
straight
out
like
who
are
you
and
what
do
you
bring
to
the
team.
M
Well,
thank
you.
That's
that's
one
of
the
best
questions
I
think
I've
ever
been
asked.
Who
am
I
I'm
a
father,
I'm
a
leader,
I'm
a
listener,
I'm
a
student.
M
I
am
someone
seeking
to
make
the
most
out
of
every
day
to
leave
the
world
better
than
I
found
it
to
to
really
appreciate
the
subtleties.
I
think
that
make
life
worth
living,
so
I
think
I
bring
yeah
I
bring
in
education,
I
bring
in
experience.
I
bring
a
lot
of
history
of
of
working
in
teams
and
groups
and
communities,
but
I
think
what
I
bring
most
of
all
is
is
a
genuine
care
and
a
heart
for
what
we
do.
F
Matthew,
this
is
kim,
and
I've
heard
you
several
times
address
the
people
that
make
our
community
special
and
you're
one
of
those
people,
because
this
is
your
home
too,
with
your
family.
So
I'm
thinking
about
considering
the
extractive
nature
of
tourism,
as
in
a
general
sense.
What
ways
do
you
see
that
we
could
get
creative
or
innovative
with
our
existing
regulations
to
better
achieve
a
sustainable
economy?
M
Well,
I
think
the
natural
environment
is
one
of
the
the
biggest
the
biggest
attractions
that
we
have
here
and
so
I
think,
to
be
honest.
M
I'm
dialing
in
from
savannah
I'm
at
meetings
with
our
corporate
office
and
I
just
finished
being
listening
to
a
three-hour
seminar
on
sustainability
and
how,
in
the
very
literal
sense,
we
as
hotelies
have
obligations
to
leave
our
footprint
as
small
as
possible
from
energy
consumption
to
water
usage
to
waste
and
recycling,
and
I
think
that
also
extends
to
the
impact
of
how
individual
people
visit
our
city
we're
a
very
driving
market.
M
I
think
there's
opportunities
to
to
alter
whom
we
market
to
to
find
more,
shall
we
say,
friendly
ways
of
getting
to
asheville
that
are
less
impactful.
M
That's
a
really
complicated
question,
but
I
think
it's
the
prioritization
of
that
question,
that's
important
because
it
gets
far
smarter
minds
than
mine
involved
in
really
coming
to
an
answer
that
benefits
everyone.
A
Well,
we
hit
the
time
for
once,
so
we
know
that
song.
We
appreciate
you
taking
the
time
to
talk
with
us
today,
and
that
concludes
our
interviews
for
the
bunch
of
county
tourism
development
authority.
Again,
we'll
need
to
make
three
appointments
at
this
evening,
city
council
meeting,
which
starts
at
five
o'clock
and.
A
It
looks
like
we
are
supposed
to
have
a
break
for
seven
minutes
until
we
start
the
pnz
interviews
at
3,
30.,
okay,
so
everyone
just
we'll
be
right
back
here
at
3
30
now
in
six
minutes,.
A
And
zoning
vacancies,
we
have
two
vacancies
on
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
and
we're
going
to
begin
this
round
of
interviews
with
ken
hope,
busey.
A
And
can
if
you
or
kenny
kenny
sorry
on
my
sheet,
it
says
kenneth,
so
I
just
made
it
ken
but
you're,
kenny.
Okay,
if.
A
Begin
by
telling
us
a
little
bit
about
yourself
and
why
you
would
like
to
serve
on
pnz.
N
Sure
my
name
is
kenny
bussey,
originally
from
kentucky
I'm
a
university
of
kentucky
grad
graduated
with
my
bachelor's
and
master's
in
civil
engineering
from
the
university.
I've
been
practicing
civil
engineering
in
north
carolina
from
mountains
to
coast,
since
2007.
N
became
a
registered
professional
engineer
in
2011
with
the
state
of
north
carolina.
N
I'm
a
fairly
recent
transplant
to
asheville
previously
a
former
visitor
discovered
very
quickly
on
that.
I
was
attracted
more
to
the
mountains
than
I
was
to
the
beach,
so
I
just
made
the
trip
a
little
easier
for
me
by
relocating
here.
N
I'm
interested
my
interest
in
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
is,
I
do
want
to
become
a
more
active
and
a
more
active
participant
in
the
city
of
asheville.
I
love
the
city.
I
love
the
amenities
that
it
has.
I
love
the
culture.
I
love
the
uniqueness
that
it
contains
a
lot
of
the
times
with
my
profession.
N
The
only
way
I
can
really
use
that
to
benefit
the
city
is,
if
I'm,
with
a
consulting
team
that
has
won
a
project
for
the
city
or
I've,
I'm
working
for
ncdot
on
a
street
or
a
road
that
is
running
through
the
city
of
asheville.
N
Business
development
plan,
the
zoning
of
certain
areas
and
how
it
impacts
our
infrastructure,
how
it
puts
a
demand
on
both
roads
and
streets,
as
well
as
our
storm
sewer
infrastructure,
there's
more
than
just
there
are
more
costs
than
I
think.
A
lot
of
people
realize
by
the
decision
that
goes
into
maybe
changing
an
area
from
one
type
of
zoning
to
another,
and
I
think
it'll
give
me
an
opportunity
again
to
say
to
give
back
to
the
community
that
I'm
again
trying
to
be
more
engaged
in.
E
Sure
hi
kenny
it's
nice
to
meet
you.
Thank
you
for
replying.
E
Yeah
and
it's
great
to
know,
you
have
experience
in
engineering,
I'm
curious
because
you
are
rather
new
to.
N
To
say
that
there's
one
specifically
that's
needed
the
change.
I
can't
think
of
one
at
the
moment,
but
I
have
seen
areas
that
that
I'm.
I
would
like
to
make
sure
that
their
their
future
is
thought
of
specifically
the
amount
of
work
that's
gone
into,
the
like
river
arts
district
and
the
uniqueness
there.
There
are
a
lot
of
open
plots
of
land,
that's
if
not
careful,
if
there's
owned
incorrectly
or
inappropriately,
they
can
ruin
the
nature
of
the
entire
corridor
and
as
a
pedestrian
that
uses
it
quite
often.
N
I
know
that
there
is
a
pretty
high
traffic
demand
there,
and
my
concern
would
be
that
if,
if
it's
turned
to
more
like
commercial
and
maybe
not
the-
maybe
not
enough
residential
in
that
commercial
zoning,
that
you
could
end
up
having
an
even
greater
problem
and
then
that
walkability
that
pedestrian
friendliness
may
go
away
and
it
may
change
the
entire
nature
of
what
has
been
what
a
whole
lot
of
work
has
been
put
into.
A
D
Other
questions-
oh
hi,
ken
hello,
thanks
for
coming-
and
I
was
sort
of-
I
think
that
was
really
interesting
of
your
response
to
what,
if
we're,
not
careful
as
how
we
handle
the
river
arts
district
and
sort
of,
maybe
making
sure
that
the
balance
between
residential
and
commercial
is
closely
looked
upon.
What
would
a
percentage
to
you
percentage?
How
commercial
versus
residential
would,
you
think
would
be
healthy
for
that
area?.
N
For
that
area
at
the
commercial,
it
would
probably
be
in
the
neighborhood,
a
neighborhood
of
like
a
50
50
to
60
40
split,
like
more
emphasis
on
residential
and
maybe
apartment,
maybe
affordable
housing
as
more
focused
on
and
on
the
commercial
side.
It
would
be
very,
I
would
be
very
cautious
of
any
large
retailer
making
sure
that
spaces
for
the
commerce
that
would
occur
are
restricted
because,
again
to
maintain
that
pedestrian
friendliness.
I
would
be
concerned
about
the
traffic
that
those
businesses
would
draw
to
the
area.
N
N
H
F
This
is
kim
I'm
very
thankful,
your
willingness
to
contribute
as
a
new
neighbor
in
our
community,
considering
the
six
themes
of
our
living
asheville
comprehensive
plan,
which
include
livable,
built
environment,
resilient
economy,
harmony
with
the
natural
environment,
healthy
community,
interwoven,
equity
and
responsible
regionalism.
F
N
It
is
more
of
it's
maintaining
that
balance
of
being
a
growing
city
and
not
being
tempted
to
be
pulled
towards
zoning
opportunities
that
are
more
focused
on
business,
and
you
know,
potential
sources
of
tax
revenue
and
making
sure
that
those
six
points
are
still.
H
N
Real
focus
because
it's
very
easy
to
me-
I
think
it's
very
easy
for
any
any
municipal
agency
to
look
at
ways
to
bring
in
additional
income
and
be
tempted
to
do
that
without
with
potentially
sacrificing,
even
like
unknowingly,
a
neighborhood
or
a
corridor
area
when
they
all.
The
intention
was
really
meant
to
be
good,
but
something
was
given
up.
E
E
Another
question:
well,
I
would
like
to
follow
up
on
one
thing.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
everybody
had
a
chance
to
ask
their
questions.
You
have
spoken
to
this
idea
of
you
know
preventing
larger
big
box
stores
or
et
cetera
there
for
a
long
time.
I'm
not
sure
if
you
are
aware
this.
N
I
guess
yeah
more
box
size
to
that
point.
Yeah,
you
can't
restrict
the
user,
but
there
are
ways
that
you
can.
I
think
that
there
would
be
ways
to
make
it
more
advantageous
for
a
user.
I'm
not
saying
that
like
a
user
like
that,
couldn't
come
in,
but
there
would
be
other
other
criteria
that
would
need
to
be
established
like
spending
money
to
improve
some
infrastructure
around
it,
sidewalk,
storms
or
whatever,
and
just
being
able
to
offset
the
impact
that
their
business
would
bring
to
the
area
that
they're
going
into.
A
B
A
To
the
conclusion
of
this
interview,
so
thank
you
very
much
for
joining
us
and
we're
gonna
move
on
to
the
second
of
our
five
interviews
with
ricardo,
and
I
you'll
have
to
help
me
say
your
last.
A
O
I
should
probably
put
that
in
my
cover
letter
how
to
pronounce
that
I
am
originally
from
puerto
rico
and
I
grew
up
and
I
grew
up
in
a
place
that
is
very
much
a
tourist
destination
and
I
grew
up
around
the
you
know
the
whole
question
of
tourism
and
how
to
live
with
that
as
the
basically
as
the
main
source
of
as
a
main
industry
in
a
place
and
anyway,
so
I
grew
up
in
puerto
rico.
O
Lived
there
born
and
raised
until
I
went
to
college
at
virginia
tech,
graduated
from
architecture
and
after
I
lived
in
blacksburg
after
I
graduated
from
from
virginia
tech.
I
stayed
in
blacksburg
working
for
the
university
for
a
little
bit
and,
as
I
mentioned
in
my
in
my
cover
letter,
blacksburg
is
a
place
that
also
shares
a
lot
of
things
in
common
with
asheville,
because
it's
a
college
town-
and
it
also
has
you,
know
these
days
with
football-
there's
a
lot
of
influx
during
the
football
season.
O
There
are
questions
about
managing
the
the
growth
and
the
and
the
influx
of
people
and
the
need
for
the
infrastructure
for
all
those
and
all
these
people
that
that
is
really
just
limited
to
parts
of
the
year
and
it's
a
seasonal
thing
or
it's,
you
know
just
weekends
during
during
a
season
that
sort
of
thing
and
after
blacksburg
I
lived
in
annapolis
maryland,
for
I
think
it
was
about
18
years
annapolis,
as
I
mentioned,
also
a
place
that
has
a
lot
of
shares.
O
So
annapolis
ways
all
of
these
things
constantly,
and
you
know,
as
you
walk
through
the
city,
it's
very
much
a
historic.
You
know
historic
city,
it's
very
much
a
living
museum,
but
there's
people
living
there
and
I
myself
lived
downtown
for
11
years.
O
So
I
know
what
it's
like
to
live
in
that
environment
and
you
know
deal
with
the
you
know
coming
home
with
the
groceries
and
that
sort
of
thing
as
you're
dealing
with
everybody
else.
You
know
all
the
tourism
all
of
the
seasonal
activities
and
things
like
that.
I
O
On
a
very
regular
basis,
but
I
finally,
you
know
made
the
move
and
I'm
I'm
here
now
permanently
and
I'm
laying
down
roots
bought
a
house
and
so
the
reason
I
am
interested
in
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
is
because
now
I
really
do
have
a
stake
here
and
I
also
feel
like
I
have
a
lot
to.
I
have
a
lot
that
I
can
contribute
I'm
coming
from.
You
know
I
think,
a
particularly
unique
background.
O
I
I
feel,
like
my
own
background,
is
diverse
in
and
of
itself
having
lived,
you
know
in
the
tropics
and
the
mountains
of
virginia
in
the
you
know.
You
know
in
maryland,
you
know
in
the
dc
area-
and
I
see
my
my
partner
lives
here-
she's
also
an
architect
here
in
town,
and
I
I
have
been
plugged
in
to
the
struggles
that
asheville
has
been
going
through.
You
know
listening
listening
to
it
through
her
hearing
about
it
through
her,
and
I
you
know
there
are
there
are.
O
I
know
I
understand
that
there
are
issues
with
growth
and
the
balance
of
growth
and
responsible
growth
and
sustainable
growth,
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
I'm
a
part
of
it
that
I
am
actually
contributing
with
my
expertise
with
my
particular
outlook
and
you
know,
being
a
part
of
you
know,
steering
the
ship
because,
as
I
said
I
now,
you
know,
I
now
have
a
stake
here.
You
know
permanently.
H
G
Thanks
for
coming
is,
are
there
any
areas
in
in
the
city
that
you've
observed,
or
you
know,
you're
hearing
out
in
the
community
that
you
think
the
development
has
been
handled
inappropriately
or
you
think
the
zoning
isn't
right
just
to
give
us
a
sense
of
you
know,
sort
of
what
you
think
is
right
or
wrong
or
up
or
on
the
other
hand,
is
there
an
area
in
the
city
that
you've
noted
that
you
know
we've
really
done
it
right.
O
Great
question
I
think
there
yes,
there
are.
There
are
areas
that
you
know.
As
I
see
it,
I
I
see
I
see
they
seem
a
little
empty
inactive.
O
You
know
particularly
areas
down
down
slope
of
you
know
things
like
the
south
slope
and
out
on
hendersonville
road
and
all
that
and-
and
so
I
you
know,
I,
these
are
the
areas
that
have
always
bothered
me.
I
you
know,
I
feel
like
there's
a
there's,
a
lot
of
missed
opportunity
and
you
know,
on
the
other
hand,
the
development
that
I'm
seeing
you
know
in
downtown
and
around
downtown,
you
know
increasing
density
and
activating
the
street.
I
think
that's
that's
fantastic.
C
E
Thank
you.
It's
wonderful
to
meet
you
and
since
you're,
relatively
new,
welcome
to
asheville.
E
Curious,
so
I
feel
it
sounds
like
you're
aware
we
are
seeing
a
big
market
push
for
building,
building
building,
there's
a
lot
of
activity
in
asheville
right
now,
there's
a
lot
of
relocation
in
asheville
and
what
we're
seeing
often
are
these
large
projects,
perhaps
on
the
periphery.
I
know
we've
had
a
couple
like
the
crossroads
and
things
and
when
I
think
about
the
planning
and
zoning
commission,
I
think
of
them
as
kind
of
like
our
our
review
board.
E
They
come
into
us
with
their
greatest
advice
and
it's
a
critical
role
in
the
city
and
I'm
curious
if
you
can
speak
to
it
all
in
your
kind
of
civic,
mind
and
previous
cities
that
you've
worked
in.
Where
do
you
believe
if
we
have
a
large
growth
in
population?
Do
you
think
these
outskirts
are
good
as
a
planning
and
zoning
member?
Do
you
have
any
ideas
on
sustainability
and
where
large
pockets
of
housing
and
development
should
go.
O
I
would
point
to
some
of
those
areas
that
I'm
seeing
not
you
know
not
far
from
downtown
and
you
know
needing
just
activation.
I
think
that
there
is
there's
a
lot
of
opportunity
opportunity
there.
For
example,
the
you
know
the
mall
there's.
You
know
that's
a
large
property
that
you
know.
O
Maybe
I
mean
you
know,
maybe
that's
something
that
could
be
turned
into
a
school,
maybe
that's
something
that
could
be
turned
into
a
sort
of
village
of
or
cottage
type
of
development,
but
I
would
I
would
point
you
know
I
would
push
for
density
as
much
as
possible.
F
O
Have
the
great
bars
the
great
restaurants,
the
great
stores
but
you're,
not
you're,
doing
that
you
know
on
a
limited
basis
and
you're
not
coming
here
to
do
it.
Just
now,
you're
coming
here
to
go
out
on
the
river
go
out,
hiking
go
biking.
I
myself,
I'm
a
I'm
an
avid
biker!
I
love
you
know,
biking
up
and
down
you
know.
Town
mountain
coming
down
at
60
miles
an
hour
is
great,
so
so
yeah.
I
would
point
again.
O
I
would
point
to
density
one
thing
that
I
you
know
if
I
can
add
to
that.
One
thing
that
I
that
I
also
see
well.
Actually,
if
are
there
any
other
questions?
I'm
sorry.
O
B
O
In
place
where
you
know
moving
forward
with
that,
but
I
still
see
some
some
issues
with
the
way
some
of
the
regulation
is
written
because
there's
still
opportunity
for
developers
to
come
in,
you
know
throw
up
a
not
so
large
hotel
and
you
know,
play
the
system
and
and
and
find
the
loopholes.
And
then
you
know
do
exactly
what
we're
trying
to
keep
them
from
doing,
which
is
unbalance
the
development
on
the
growth.
B
A
So
much
that
brings
us
to
the
end
of
this
interview
and
we'll
move
on
to
the
next
candidate.
A
Yes,
there,
you
are
right
in
the
middle
of
my
screen
hi.
Would
you
please
begin
by
telling
us
a
little
bit
about
yourself
and
why
you're
interested
in
serving
on
pnz.
P
Sure
I'd
be
happy
to
thank
you
for
having
me
at
this
interview,
members
of
the
council,
I'm
interested
in
becoming
a
member
of
pnz
to
really
place
an
affordable
housing.
Subject
matter
expert
on
pnz
I
came
to
asheville
eight
and
a
half
almost
nine
years
ago
on
an
enterprise
rose,
architectural
fellowship,
which
is
a
program
sponsored
by
enterprise
community
partners,
a
national
nonprofit
that
places
young
architects
at
non-profit
community
development
agencies.
P
So
I
landed
at
mountain
housing
opportunities
and
have
been
there
ever
since
they,
I
think,
didn't
realize
it
was
only
a
three-year
fellowship.
So
now
I've
been
there
almost
nine
years
and
they
haven't
kicked
me
out
yet
so
I
I
really
think
that
affordable
housing
continues
to
be
the
number
one
thing
that
everyone
advocates
for,
I
think
is
so
important
to
the
growth
of
our
community
and
the
various.
P
You
know:
plans
for
asheville
the
comp
plan
all
acknowledge
the
importance
of
building,
affordable
housing,
and
I
think
it's
something
that
we're
all
struggling
with
is
how
to
do
it.
Do
we
rely
on
the
private
developers
voluntarily
committing
a
portion
of
their
units?
Do
we
try
to
create
advantageous
locations?
P
Served
by
transit
and
create
the
right
subsidy
stack
to
make
a
deeply
affordable
housing
development
work,
and
you
know
I'm
an
all
of
the
above
kind
of
person,
and
I
think
that
I
can
really
lend
some
some
expertise
on
on
how
to
bring
affordable
housing
in
the
in
the
incentive
programs
that
the
city
offers,
as
well
as
look
at
ways
that
we
haven't
been
able
to
be
successful
and
bring
affordable
housing.
P
So
that's
kind
of
my
my
number
one
focus.
I
think
I
also
said
in
my
statement
of
intent
that
asheville
is
a
very
divided
community.
I
think
that
the
legacies
of
urban
renewal
continue
to
wreak
their
havoc
on
our
community
and
planning
has
been
an
instrument
of
division,
and
I
think
it's
the
responsibility
of
planning
to
be
a
tool
to
correct
that.
So
those
are
kind
of
my
personal
interests.
I'd
love
to
entertain
questions
from
you
all
to
dive
deeper
into
what
I
could
bring
to
png.
If
selected.
D
Please,
yes,
thank
you
so
very
much
for
throwing
your
name
in
the
hat.
I
must
say
that
I
am
very
impressed
with
the
the
issues
that
you
find
that
the
community
does
need
and
you're
taking
a
stand
on
those
issues,
and
I
would
just
like
to
thank
you
very
much
for
that.
However,
due
to
the
limited
amount
of
land
available
at
this
time
to
actually
you
know
to
really
make
a
big
impact
on
this
affordable
housing
thing,
that's
going
on.
P
You
know
where
I
would
begin
is
something
that
we
say
at
mountain
housing
opportunities
a
lot
there's
an
untapped
resource
out
there,
that's
administered
by
the
state,
it's
a
federal
tax
credit,
the
four
percent,
low-income
housing
tax
credit.
It
was
the
financial
vehicle
that
was
used
to
get
the
redevelopment
of
lee
walker
heights
to
become
maple
crest
apartments
at
lee
walker
heights
across
the.
H
P
Know
finally,
fill
the
the
full
funding
gap
on
that
development
and
it's
a
non-competitive
resource.
So,
whereas
a
lot
of
affordable
housing
subsidies
are
extremely
competitive
and
rely
on,
you
know
just
a
shot
at
the
dartboard.
This
is
one
that
if,
if
city
and
county
can
come
up
with
the
resources,
it
can
develop
up
to
200
units
in
a
single
development.
So
that's
a
an
underutilized
resource
to
bring
truly
affordable
housing
that
we
as
a
city
and
the
county
really
need
to
explore
further.
E
Them
sorry,
jeffrey,
it's
really
great
to
see
you
I'll
echo
what
sandra
said
and
thank
you
for
applying
being
very
familiar
with
mho
and
having
worked
with
you
in
the
past
and
just
really
thankful
for
the
work
you
do
in
the
community
and
that
you
apply
it's
not
an
easy
job
and
you
know
you're
busy.
I'm
curious
because
you
do
have
your
hands
in
this
work
already
and
affordability
is
your
passion
and
you
spoke
a
little
bit
about
tax
credits
and
that's
great
but
and
png.
E
You
know:
there's
really
two
big
roles
like
responding
to
and
reviewing
projects
and
policies,
but
then
also
initiating
some
and
advising
on
some.
What
would
you
do
kind
of
zoning
or
ordinance,
wise
and
out
of
the
gate,
something
that
might
really
help
with
affordability
or
housing
inventory
in
general.
P
Thanks
for
your
question
yeah,
I
think
that's
an
important
role
that
pnz
commissioners
play
as
initiating,
and
I
would
say
that
I
already
initiate
ideas
with
planning
staff
in
my
participation
in
various
initiatives.
You
know
whether
it's
crafting
policy
or
the
form-based
code
initiatives,
I'm
a
regular
commenter,
and
you
know
I
I
try
to
be
helpful
in
honing
in
policies
that
strike
the
right
balance.
I
think
with
incentives.
P
It's
always
you
know
you
want
an
incentive
to
be
the
thing
that
tips
the
scale
and
make
something
possible
that
otherwise
wouldn't
have
been,
and
then
on
the
flip
side,
what
you
want
requirements
and
regulations
to
be
mandates
that
don't
kill
a
great
development.
So
you
know,
I
think
that
I
I
already
look
at
and
talk
with
planning
staff
about
different
incremental
changes.
I'd
look
forward
to
engaging
more
fully
with
planning
staff
on
on
bigger
initiatives
that
could
have.
C
You
mentioned
something
earlier
that
caught
my
attention.
It
was
planning
used
as
a
way,
perhaps
unintentionally,
to
cause
harm,
and
then
you
spoke
specifically
of
urban
renewal.
C
As
far
as
initiating
goes.
Do
you
have
any
ideas
of
any
tweaks
that
could
be
undertaken
to
kind
of
turn
back
the
ill
effects
of
urban
renewal?
Is
there
anything
that
you
could
suggest
that
will
get
us
further
along
the
path
that
we
seek.
P
I
think
this
council
is
very
actively
engaged
in
in
that
through
you
know
the
reparations
initiatives
and-
and
I
think
smartly
that
has
been
outlined
to
start
with
listening
deep
listening.
I
I
don't
pretend
to
be
a
victim
of
urban
renewal,
and
so
I
do
think
that
you
know
listening
and
listening
as
a
key
component
and
participatory
planning
is
a
key
way
to
to
build
a
brighter
future
and
to
kind
of
undo
the
harms.
P
I
think,
there's
some
seats
first
for
really
good
neighborhood
planning
and
advocacy
in
this
community.
Shiloh,
I
think,
is
a
great
example
of
a
community
that
has
created
a
successful
neighborhood
plan
and
used
it
to
collaborate
with
developers
like
habitat
and
mountain
housing
who
propose
developments
in
their
neighborhoods.
P
So
I
you
know,
I
maybe
that
doesn't
directly
answer
the
question
around
urban
renewal
in
this
community,
but
I
think
that
it
starts
with
listening
to
the
impacted,
neighborhoods
and
and
seeing
you
know
what
what
created
divisions
and
what
potential
there
is
to
to
undo.
I
mean
you
know
we're
not
going
to
unbuild
south
charlotte
street,
but
you
know,
but
we
can
acknowledge
the
the
harm
that
that
did
in
cutting
off
the
east
end
neighborhoods
from
you
know,
downtown
and
and
start
to
address
the.
C
H
A
Well,
thank
you
very
much
for
joining
us
today.
I'm
going
to
move
on
to
our
next
interviewee,
and
that
is
sarah
wilcox.
A
Hi.
Sarah,
thank
you.
Please,
please
begin
by
telling
us
a
little
bit
about
yourself
and
why
you're
interested
in
applying
to
pnc.
Q
Q
Now
15
and
I've
watched
this
community
grow
and
become
more
beautiful
and
a
lot
of
wonderful
things
happen
in
it,
and
I've
also
done
that,
alongside
a
historical
trajectory
and
understanding
of
the
realities
of
our
history
that
are
very
meaningful,
so
I
was
schooled
doing
political
science
before
I
discerned
my
call
to
ministry,
I'm
a
pastor
in
the
city
of
asheville
and
the
work
that
I
have
done.
Pastoring
is
part
of
the
work
that
draws
me
to
this
work.
Q
It
is
a
commitment
to
a
wider
lens
that
understands
the
impact
of
our
choices
and
our
decisions
at
every
every
area
and
every
decision
of
government
and
how
it
matters
to
have
people
in
the
room
who
have
a
lens
and
understanding
that's
greater
than
even
just
that
single
issue.
So
the
commitments
in
our
community
around
reparations
drive
this
you
can't
plan
in
zone
without
intention
and
attention
to
the
racism
that
built
is
built
into
our
planning
and
zoning.
Q
From
the
past,
we
have
to
figure
out
ways
to
undo
that
together,
and
so
it
feels
really
important
that
the
folks
sitting
around
the
table
at
planning
and
zoning
are
intentional
to
that.
The
living
asheville
plan
speaks
about
interweaving
equity
and
that
has
to
be
a
lens
through
which
decisions
are
made,
but
not
always
the
lens
through
which
experts
in
the
field
are
considering
things,
I'm
a
connector
of
dots,
and
so
I
see
a
big
pictures.
That's
one
of
my
gifts
and
I'm
interested
in
using
those
gifts
in
public
service.
G
Sarah
thank
you
for
thank
you
for
participating.
How
how
often
have
you
sat
through
pnc
meetings
and
what's
your
what's
your
take
on
the
process,
and
what
would
you
add
to
it.
G
Q
A
pnz
meeting
is,
I
think
there
are
probably
some
folks
who
go
to
church
meetings
who
see
them
just
as
bad
they're
long
and
they
go
through
a
lot
and
that's
okay.
I
think
that
I'm
I'm
aware
that
oftentimes
people
are
trying
to
get
a
lot
done
in
short
time
and
I
think
really
important
things
in
deserve
our
deep
intention.
Q
So
I
know
them
to
have
plenty
of
minutes
to
them
and
also
evaluate
the
projects
that
are
coming
into
our
community.
The
what
I
hope
to
give
to
the
those
moments
are
curiosity
and
questions
about
the
human
impact
of
our
continued
intention
around
growth,
which
is
both
a
value
that's
important,
but
is
also
done
often
without
considering
the
human
impact
that
is
born
on
people
disproportionately.
Q
I
think
that
by
and
large,
I'm
committed
to
seeing
more
and
more
mixed-use
spaces,
and
so
the
ways
in
which
we
break
down
the
isolation
of
residential
zoning
to
ensure
that
there
is
interactive
opportunities
across
our
populations,
but
also
access
to
the
different
ways
of
living,
so
that
there
are
more
third
places
in
spaces
throughout.
Our
zoning
is
pretty
critical
to
my
interests.
F
This
is
kim,
thank
you
so
much
sarah,
so
considering
the
six
themes
of
our
living
asheville
comprehensive
plan,
which
include
the
livable
built
environment,
resilient
economy,
harmony
with
the
natural
environment,
healthy
community
interwoven
equity,
which
you've
named
and
responsible
regionalism.
Do
you
see
any
things
right
now
that
are
getting
in
the
way
of
our
aspirational
goals?.
Q
Oh
human
beings,
I
mean,
I
think
the
reality
is
that
we
are
human
beings
with
vast
interests
and
needs
and
oftentimes
they
are
competing
realities,
and
so
a
lot
of
agendas
come
to
the
table,
those
agendas
matter
and
they're
important,
but
that
we
have
to
make
decisions
about
the
ways
we
prioritize
things.
Q
So
I
think
that
in
any
given
situation,
you're
going
to
have
multiple
avenues
by
which
there
are
various
consequences
for
any
one
choice
and
decision
and
being
conscious
about
thinking
through
the
unintended
consequences
and
impact
of
our
of
our
decision
making
and
how
they
work
towards
these
goals
is
an
ongoing
need
that
it
has
to
be
a
paradigm
shift.
It
has
to
be
a
lens
through
which
decisions
are
made.
Curiosity
comes
forth.
Q
A
Okay,
all
right
well,
thank
you
very
much
for
joining
us
today
for
this
interview
and
we're
gonna
move
on
to
our
final
to
our
final
interview.
For
today
and
again,
these
appointments
will
be
made
at
tonight's
meeting
thanks
our
last
interviewee
is
roosevelt
harvin
and
I'm
not
sure
I
got
a
message
that
he
may
or
may
not
be
with
us.
I'm
looking
around
my
little
boxes.
A
A
She
was
not
able
to
join
us
today
either.
So
that
concludes
our
interviews
for
buncombe
county
tours
on
development
authority,
as
well
as
the
planning
zoning
commission
and
again,
we
will
be
making
these
appointments.