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A
Good
afternoon
I'm
mayor
manhammer
and
I'd
like
to
welcome
you
to
the
city
council
interviews
for
one
vacancy
seat
on
the
planning
and
zoning
commission.
All
council
committee
members
and
interviewees
are
participating.
Virtually
we
are
streaming
live
on
our
virtual
engagement
hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city
website.
We
also
have
an
option
for
the
public
to
listen,
live
by
phone
by
dialing
855,
five,
two,
eight
zero
one
and
entering
the
meeting
code.
Three
five
one
one
for
those
of
you
joining
us
today.
A
Welcome
today,
we'll
be
holding
a
total
of
six
interviews
for
one
seat
on
the
planning
and
zoning
commission.
The
commission
is
an
advisory
board
to
city
council
that
reviews
text
for
proposed
amendments
to
the
unified
development
ordinance
and
also
hear
proposals
to
zone
or
change
the
zoning
of
property
regulated
under
the
unified
development
ordinance
and
then
makes
recommendations
to
city
council
for
final
action.
A
Each
interview
will
be
10
minutes
candidates.
Please
refer
to
the
countdown
timer
displayed
in
the
virtual
meeting
room.
You
can
see
it
set
at
10
minutes
right
now.
Appointments
will
be
made
during
this
evening,
city
council
meeting,
which
starts
at
5
p.m.
If
there's
no
objections,
we'll
begin
the
interviews
with
our
first
candidate
darren
prosser.
B
Well,
originally,
I
moved
here
in
2008
and
I
came
from
new
york
via
or
through
tampa
via
new
york.
So
then
back
and
forth
up
the
east
coast
and
I
mean
as
an
employee
of
msd.
You
know
one
of
our
main
objectives
is
to
keep
the
river
clean
and,
along
with
other
municipalities
and
utilities,
you
know
that's
our
main
focus
and
as
you've
seen
the
development
booming
around
here
lately
and
some
of
the
erosion
control
measures
and
sediment
issues,
we're
having
you
know
in
the
river
nowadays.
B
You
know
it
kind
of
kind
of
spurred
my
interest
when
this
position
came
available.
Maybe
there's
something
you
know
we
can
do
about
this
and
you
know
help
keep
the
river
clean
through
better
practice
management
practices
and
you
know
holding
the
contractor
more
liable
or
the
developer.
I
mean
that's.
That
was
the
main
thing
and
then
two
just
you
know
be
a
part
of
the
you
know:
city
growth
and
possibly
you
know
a
key
member
of
you
know
seeing
the
city
grow
and
prosper.
A
Okay,
thanks:
does
anyone
have
a
question
for
mr
prosser
internet.
C
Please
good
afternoon
and
thank
you
so
much
for
joining
us
today.
You
kind
of
already
begun
to
touch
on
the
question
I
had
for
you.
I
did
notice
your
extensive
experience
with
the
metropolitan
sewerage
district
of
buncombe
county
and
I
wanted
to
see
your
thoughts
on
how
that
experience
aligns
with
the
task
before
planning
and
zoning.
B
Well,
I
originally
when
I
started
out
at
high
school,
I
was
deep
involved
in
land
development
and
my
main
thing
was
storm
water
and
due
diligence.
So
I
mean
it's
not
like
today,
where
you
can
just
jump
on
the
computer
and
get
everybody's
zoning
and
planning
ordinance.
I
mean
you,
I
had
to
go
to
each
town
and
city
and
you
know
pretty
much
meet
with
every
individual
to
see
what
their
requirements
were
and
specifications.
B
So
since
day
one
you
know
it's
been
deciphering
building,
codes,
planning
and
zoning.
You
know
codes,
I
mean,
to
be
honest,
I
had
only
one
technical
class,
but
I
think
it
should
be
more
involved
because
it
ends
up
being
half
engineering
and
half
technical
writing
and
deciphering
all
these
specs,
but
I
mean
from
day
one
I've
been
reading
and
creating
specs
myself.
So
this
fits
very,
very
well
with
this
position.
D
D
That
group
and
that
partnership
in
the
past
year
have
you
seen
any
developments
that
have
gotten
approval
or
disa
or
not
not
being
approved
by
the
planning
and
zoning
that
you
would
have
disagreed
with,
and
can
you
tell
me
why
and
and
even
if
you
don't,
if
you
don't
have
a
particular
project
in
mind,
have
there
have
there
been
decisions
made
or
conversations
made,
that
you
would
have
a
different
opinion
with
pnz
on.
B
B
B
B
E
Hi
darren,
thank
you
so
very
much
and-
and
I
definitely
appreciate
your
perspective
on
the
charlotte
street
development
and
and
it's
so
funny
what
you
said,
because
what
people
don't
realize
is
things
change
and
real
estate
is
so
cyclical
and
and
when
you
said
that
it
just
brought
to
mind,
but
you
said
what
will
happen
when
asheville
is
not
the
it
place
and
and
basically
what
I
look
at
is
we'll
have
affordable
housing
once
and
for
all,
and
but
and
the
thing
is
one
thing
I
want
to
ask
you,
like
you
said
you
are
pro
development.
E
B
I
would
definitely
want
to
see
you
know
people
constantly
moving
here
I
mean
I
it's
kind
of
a
sore
subject.
My
wife
is
in
hr,
so
it
it's
kind
of
hard.
You
know
the
cost
of
living.
I
mean
the
cost
of
living
is
rough
for
individuals
who
grew
up
here
or
have
moved
here
and
tried
to.
You
know,
live
through
service
industry
and
that
that's
always
a
major
issue,
and
maybe
hopefully
you
know
affordable
living,
you
know
could
be
a
possible.
B
You
know
thing
in
the
future,
but
I
mean
I
I
mean
this.
Is
I
been
coming
here
since
probably
early
2000s,
I
mean
it's
a
huge
change.
It
went
from
small
mom-and-pop
shops
to
hotels
and
apartments.
So
it's
you
know
it's
quite
the
change.
Just
in
the
14
years.
I've
been
here
so
I
mean
like
the
next
next
phase.
I
don't
know
I
mean
you're
you're
talking
about
possibly
ripping
down
more
buildings.
Maybe
so
you
know
it's
it's.
B
B
F
My
cat
is
also
worried
about
affordable
housing,
so
I
have
a
general
question
for
you.
I
was
going
to
ask
something
similar
about
where
you
fall
on
the
spectrum
of
adhering
to
existing
plans
or
being
in
the
role
of
planning
and
zoning
having
to
review
conditional
zonings
as
well-
and
I
think
you've
spoken
generally
to
that.
But
I
welcome
more.
F
I'm
also
curious,
so
you
have
a
background
in
this
and
I'm
there's
been
some
push
from
the
community
to
do
things,
to
update
all
the
guidelines
and
udos
and
master
plans
around
like
downtown
and
recently
even
around
urban
centers.
Do
you
find
that
the
udo
is
adequately
aiding
us
and
developing
our
city,
or
would
you
find
that
it
needs
updated.
B
If
you
have
any
type
of
utility
that
runs
along
the
property
line
in
between
houses,
it's
impossible
to
get
any
equipment
or
you
know
to
even
excavate
in
those
areas.
So
it
would
be
nice
to
give
people
a
little
more
space,
and
that's
just
based
on
my
experience
from
you
know,
updating
services
to
to
lines
or
even
storm
issues.
I
mean
it
does
need
to
be
rev.
You
know
reevaluated
in
some
areas.
A
Okay,
that
brings
us
to
a
conclusion,
so
we're
we're
going
to
move
on
to
the
next
one
and
mr
prosser.
Thank
you
very
much
for
joining
us
this
afternoon.
Virtually
have.
A
Thanks
you
too,
okay!
Next,
we
have
mike
faulkner,
and
I
am
looking
around
my
stairs
mike
hi,
mr
faulkner.
Thank
you
for
joining
us
today.
If
you
would
just
begin
by
telling
us
a
little
bit
about
yourself
and
why
you
are
interested
in
serving
on
the
asheville
planning
and
zoning
commission.
G
Sure
yeah,
thanks
for
taking
the
time
to
speak
with
me,
can
it
everyone
hear
me.
Okay,
all
right,
good
deal.
I've
been
in
nashville
for
well,
since
2010
lived
in
west
asheville
that
entire
time
have
seen
quite
a
bit
of
change.
G
My
my
career
has
been
in
the
area
of
development.
I've
assisted
in
numerous
brownfields
redevelopment
projects
around
asheville,
repurposing
reuse
projects,
the
company.
I
work
for
that's
kind
of
our
niche,
selfishly
it's
what
I
like
to
do
so:
we've
kind
of
driven
driven
the
company.
I
work
for
in
that
direction
towards
pushing
ourselves
to
be
involved
in
exciting
reuse,
redevelopment,
adaptive,
reuse
projects.
G
So
again,
selfishly
that's
kind
of
what
has
drawn
my
interest
to
the
planning
and
zoning
committee.
I
see
it
as
an
opportunity
to
continue
to
be
involved
in
smart
adaptive.
Reuse
development
around
town,
help,
folks
that
are
interested
in
being
part
of
the
town
developers,
other
other
parties
that
want
to
be
in
asheville
help
them
understand
what
they
need
to
do
to
kind
of
work,
their
plans
into
the
the
expectations
of
the
city.
G
On
a
personal
note,
I
I've
got
a
six-year-old
and
we
do
a
lot
of
mountain
biking
and
we
do
antique
car
restoration
together.
I've
got
an
office
in
west
asheville.
I've
got
a
warehouse
on
riverside
drive
and
my
house
is
over
by
new
belgium,
so
I've.
In
the
past
10
years,
I've
seen
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
change
in
development
and
planning
and
zoning.
You
know
directly
in
my
community.
G
H
Hi
mike,
thank
you
so
much
for
taking
the
opportunity
to
apply
to
planning
and
zoning.
H
I
have
a
question
regarding
our
six
themes
of
the
living
asheville
comprehensive
plan,
livable
built
environment,
resilient
economy,
harmony
with
the
natural
environment,
healthy
community,
interwoven,
equity
and
responsible
regionalism.
So,
from
your
perspective,
what's
getting
in
the
way
of
us
getting
to
our
shared
aspirational
goals,.
G
That's
a
good
question:
there's
a
lot
there,
so
you
have
seven
minutes
left.
So
I
I
am
not
I'll
say
I'm
not
familiar
with
the
the
six
items
you
you
listed
so
I'll
try
to
remember
most
of
those
what
is
getting
in
the
way
so
you're
asking
me.
So
you
must
feel
that
there
is
an
issue
with
those
six
elements.
Currently.
Is
that
accurate.
H
And
consideration
of
projects,
so
is
there
something
that's
getting
in
the
way
of
our
goals
or
are
we
on
the
right
track?
Maybe
it's
the
way
to
answer
that
a
different
way.
G
Understood
understood,
I
work
with
developers
every
day.
The
most
common
complaint
isn't
the
right
word,
but
it's
what's
coming
into
my
mind
right
now
that
I
hear
from
from
those
parties
is
that
the
system
is
very
onerous
right
now.
They
feel
they
feel
bogged
down.
G
So
I
think
if
we
can
share
the
expectations
of
the
city
more
in
the
forefront
of
the
design
and
planning
phase
share
timeline,
share
expectations,
share
potential
cost
potential
changes
that
we
see
as
early
as
possible
that
that
would
really
affect
the
way
that
the
developers
and
other
parties
see
the
process
in
asheville.
You
know
in
my
my
business
most
folks
say.
The
easiest
thing
you
can
do
is
communicate
it's
free.
It
doesn't
cost
anything
if
we
lay
our
expectations
out
on
the
table
immediately
and
continue
to
share
those
and
communicate
those.
G
F
Thanks
mike,
thank
you
for
applying
often
so
when
we
have
large
projects
that
come,
whether
it's
more
than
50
apartments
or
more
than
100
000
square
feet.
You
know
they
go
through
the
conditional
approval
process.
As
you
know,
we
often
hear
from
the
community
things
like
this.
Is
the
existing
zoning
20
units
per
acre?
How
could
you
dare
let
it
be
50
per
acre,
or
it
says
it
should
be
restricted
to
two
stories
and
they're
asking
for
four
and
please
don't
allow
this
existing
zoning
to
be
overridden
and
so
on.
F
Can
you
speak
a
little
bit
to
where
you
fall
in
the
spectrum
of
you
know,
really
sticking
with
the
ordinances
we
have
and
the
plans
that
we
have
on
file,
whether
they
may
be
5
or
15
years
old,
or
if
you
also
can
look
to
you,
know
a
project
on
a
site
and
whether
or
not
it
may
serve
a
better
purpose
than
the
existing
ordinances.
Where
do
you
fall
in
that
spectrum,
adhering
to
the
rules
or.
G
Sure
so
I
guess,
let's
use
an
example,
the
former
sheriff's
office
in
downtown
that
was
going
to
be
developed
by
parks.
Hospitality.
I
believe
my
understanding
is.
He
met
the
requirements
he
needed
to
meet
for
that
project,
and-
and
I
feel
that
if
you,
if
there's
an
outline
of
expectations
and
a
interested
party,
meets
those
then
and
their
plans
meet
those
expectations,
then
they
should
be
allowed
to
move
forward.
G
Now
in
terms
of
modifying
you
know,
like
you
said
sage,
this
particular
property
is,
is
only
allowable
for
four
stories
or
for
50
units.
I
think
development
is
a
negotiation
strategy.
I
I
don't
think
just
because
current
zoning
specifies
one
thing:
if
the
developer
would
need
to
prove
to
us
why
a
modification
would
be
valuable
to
the
city
charlotte
street
high
density,
I
like
it
multimodal
aspect.
G
It's
getting
people
close
to
downtown
traffic's,
obviously
concerned,
but
I've
heard
from
many
that
the
the
majority
of
folks
that
could
be
using
that
facility
will
either
bike
or
walk.
So
maybe
traffic
isn't
as
big
of
a
deal.
D
Mike,
thank
you
so
right
now,
pnz
hasn't
really
been
able
to
get
into
actually
developing
a
new
udo
or
kind
of
weighing
in
on
policy.
They
spend
most
of
their
time.
I
believe
you
know
really
looking
at
applications
and
weighing
in
on
particular
projects.
If
you,
you
know,
could
wave
a
magic
wand,
how
much
of
pnz's
time
would
you
spend
on
making
policy
or
helping
with
making
policy
versus
looking
at
individual
projects.
G
That's
a
good
question,
not
one
I
had
thought
about.
I
think
my
strength
lies
in
knowing
many
of
the
developers
knowing
any
of
the
projects,
understanding
kind
of
the
the
cradle
to
grave
of
development.
G
I
think
it's
important
that
planning
and
zoning
is
comprised
of
folks
that
are
both
interested
in
that
that
realm
of
the
process
and
then
folks,
that
are
more
policy
experts,
more
regulation
experts.
That
is
definitely
not
my
area
of
expertise.
I
can
read
them.
I
haven't.
I
haven't
done
any
design
of
those
or
authoring
of
those.
I
would
love
to
be
with
people
that
could
share
that
kind
of
expertise
with
me
and
certainly
open
to
it.
I
think
continue.
Continuing
review
of
existing
regulations
and
existing
ordinances
is
important.
Just
so
we
don't
get
stagnant.
G
What
was
what
was
important
to
the
city
in
the
70s
I
mean
there
was
going
to
be
a
mall
in
downtown
asheville.
That
would
have
you
know.
I
think
four
city
blocks
would
have
been
gone
if
that
had
if
that
had
occurred.
So
it's
it's
always
important
to
kind
of
be
reviewing.
What's
been
done
in
the
past,
where
we
are
now
and
where
we're
headed
towards.
A
A
Okay,
next,
we
are
going
to
be
talking
with
kelsey
simmons
and
I'm
looking
around
my
screen
to
see
where
kelsey
is.
There
is
kelsey
hello,
miss
simmons!
Thank
you
for
joining
us.
Let
me
just
begin
by
asking
you
to
tell
us
a
little
about
yourself
and
why
you
would
like
to
serve
on
the
planning
and
zoning
commission.
E
Okay,
hello,
kelsey,
and
thank
you
so
very
much
for
throwing
your
name
in
or
planning
and
zoning
committee.
One
thing
I
want
to
ask
you
is:
what
is
your
vision
being
a
native
raised
up
here?
What
do
you
envision
asheville
becoming?
What
what
would
you
like
to
see
here
as
far
as
the
community
development,
as
far
as
just
overall
development
that
we're
the
growth
that's
needed
to
actually
encompass
everyone's
values
or
whatever
sort
of
just
give
me
an
idea
of
what
you're
thinking
about.
I
Yeah,
of
course,
so
my
vision
for
the
future
of
asheville.
One
thing
we
can't
ignore
is
that
it's
growing
drastically,
and
so
one
thing,
I
think
is
very
important-
is
prioritizing
the
locals
in
this
community
and
understanding.
You
know
this
is
their
home,
and
how
can
we
combine
prioritizing
these
locals
with
sustainable
tourism?
I
D
Kelsey,
thank
you
so
much
for
applying
here
appreciate
your
service
and
your
interest.
I'm
going
to
ask
the
same
question.
I
asked
the
previous
applicant.
D
If,
if
you
had
a
magic
wand,
what
percentage
of
time
pnz
would
be
spent
developing
those
those
new
policies
and
new
regulations
versus
reviewing
new
projects.
I
I
So
ideally,
I
would
want
to
do
potentially
an
equal
share
of
focusing
making
sure
that
we
have
the
right
policies
in
order
and
then
making
sure
those
projects
are
in
line
with
the
policies
and
ideally
looking
at
it
in
that
order,
I
believe
the
policies
may
have
to
be
prioritized
just
a
little
bit
more
just
so.
We
have
that
strong
foundation,
so
anytime
a
new
project
or
something
is
proposed.
Then
we
already
have
a
strong
foundation
to
build
off
of.
A
F
Thank
you
kelsey
for
being
here.
I'm
stage,
I'm
wondering
if
you
can
looking
back
at
pnz
in
the
last
year
or
two
speak
to
any
project,
reviews
or
policy
or
ordinance
changes
that
you
maybe
didn't
agree
with
how
pnd
or
even
one
you
supported
just
speak
to
an
experience
you
had
with
them
in
a
decision.
I
Thank
you
yes,
so
there
was
a
recent
development
that
was
reviewed,
the
micro
housing
development
on
hilliard
avenue,
and
while
I
am
a
strong
advocate
for
providing
more
housing
in
nashville,
I
do
wish
that
that
development
prioritized
home
ownership
a
little
bit
more.
So
maybe
if
that
was
in
an
instance
of
you
rent
to
own
or
having
some
develop,
having
some
units
dedicated
to
home
ownership.
I
C
When
I
see
you,
I
see
somewhat
someone
who's
somewhat
of
a
unicorn
and
I'm
wondering
what
you
believe
you
bring
to
the
table
that
no
other
candidate
does
given
your
age
and
the
fact
that
you
are
a
black
woman
who's.
Also
an
asheville
native.
I
Thank
you
for
that.
I
believe
the
one
thing
that
I
bring
to
the
table
that
has
me
stand
out
from
possibly
the
other
candidates,
as
my
experience
and
basically
just
growing
up
in
asheville
being
raised
by
my
grandmother
and
just
really
seeing
how
asheville
has
grown
and
developed,
and
you
know
I
definitely
want
to
bring
more
of
education
and
attention
to
home
ownership
specifically
for
the
minority
community,
and
I
think
that
we
need
more
advocates.
H
I
Thank
you.
So
I
do
appreciate
the
comprehensive
plan
and
you
know
I
do
appreciate
the
work
that
the
city
of
asheville
does
as
a
whole,
because
there's
so
many
different
needs.
There's
needs
for
the
locals.
I
There's
needs
for
the
tourism
there's
a
bunch
of
different
needs,
but
I
think
that
the
locals
can
be
prioritized
a
bit
more
when
it
comes
to
the
comprehensive
plan
and
just
really
having
a
strong
lens
on
what
the
developers
are
bringing
to
our
locals
and
how
they
can
provide
more
of
a
benefit
to
them
compared
to
somebody
moving
to
the
city,
and
we
definitely
want
to
welcome
everyone
into
the
city.
But
we
definitely
want
to
prioritize
our
locals
because
that's
what
keeps
our
economy
going
so
strong.
A
A
All
right
thanks:
we
are
a
little
bit
ahead
of
schedule.
Just
smidge,
let's
see
if
we
have
sherry.
A
J
Probably
hi
guys
thanks
for
having
me
I'm
here,
it's
cagiola.
A
J
J
J
I'm
a
restaurant
owner,
we
own
the
canteen
in
biltmore
village
primary
background
has
been
in
commercial,
real
estate
and
development
across
a
few
states
and
really
have
loved
being
in
the
hospitality
industry
back
in
asheville.
We're
sort
of
we
call
ourselves
accidental
restaurant
owners,
and
I
moved
back
to
the
area
to
help
my
mom,
whose
husband
had
early
onset,
alzheimer's
and
owned
a
number
of
commercial
buildings
around
town
in
2010.
J
Everyone
decided
they
couldn't
pay,
so
it
was
sort
of
my
job
to
come.
Renegotiate
that
and
the
restaurant
space
was
the
last
space
that
we
were
unable
to
get
some
type
of
renegotiation
on
the
lease
and
my
husband
and
I
and
our
daughter
at
the
time
who
was
about
15
16,
took
over
from
the
old
lapaz
staff.
J
Many
of
you
know
that
restaurant
was
there
in
that
building
since
1996
and
unfortunately
didn't
make
the
great
recession
so
being
in
one
of
the
largest
industries
in
nashville
and
being
a
part
of
that
and
welcoming
the
locals
and
the
guests
on
a
daily
basis
is
just
a
great
joy
for
me
and
seeing
the
way
that
the
developments
have
occurred
throughout
asheville
organically
and
not
organically
love
to
be
a
part
of
seeing
what
that
future
looks
like.
E
Hello,
sherry
and
thank
you
and
thank
you
so
very
much
for
for
volunteering.
E
Actually,
during
your
naming
for
planet
and
zoning,
I
and-
and
I
found
something
very
interesting
when
you
were
saying
that
you
moved
back
to
the
area
sort
of
like
me
left,
because
the
opportunities
were
not
here
and
and
coming
back
and
and
the
one
thing
I
want
to
ask
you
about
is
this.
I
know
when
I
left
here.
E
Asheville
was
considered
to
be
a
place
that
sort
of
refused
to
grow
and
and,
as
you
can
see
now,
it's
a
lot
of
the
growth
is
happening,
and
I
want
to
ask
you:
what
is
your
perspective
on
the
future
growth
in
asheville?
How
do
you
look
at
that
as
a
positive,
or
should
we
sort
of
start
for
telling
it-
or
you
know
just
share
that
with
me
of
what
you
think
as
being
someone
that
left
and
came
back
and
experiencing
this
type
of
truth.
J
Well,
it's
interesting.
I
was
in
college
station
texas
for
10
years,
which
is
right
between
austin
and
houston.
It
was
kind
of
the
best
little
cow
town
to
be
in
in
texas.
If
you
had
to
be
and
watching
the
growth
that
occurred
in
austin
in
that
10
years,
that
I
was
there
was,
and
our
daughter
ended
up
going
to
university
of
texas
as
well.
So
I
got
to
go
back
and
and
see
again
just
the
explosive
growth.
After
that,
that's
really
the
only
city
that
I
have
that
I
can
compare.
J
You
know
people
kind
of
laugh
about
us
being
a
little
austin
at
times
and
the
keep
asheville
austin
weird
scenario.
So
that's
really
the
only
comparison
that
I
have
to
look
at
the
kind
of
exponential
growth
that
we've
seen
in
our
city,
certainly
on
a
much
smaller
scale.
You
know
a
lot
of
that
has
to
do
with
our
geography
and
some
of
the
challenges
that
we're
up
against
that
are
so
unique
to
us
in
these
mountains.
J
When
I
I
do
look
back
at
history,
because
I
do
believe
that
history
repeats
itself,
and
I
think
that
one
of
the
things
that
I
tell
people
as
I
welcome
them
to
asheville
and
as
you
can
imagine,
I
mean
we
have
people
that
walk
in
our
door
that
have
been
in
asheville
for
four
hours.
You
know
looking
for
a
job
and
they
just
you
ask
them.
Why
are
you
here
and
they're
like
I
came
to
visit.
I
J
J
That
being
said,
I
would
love
for
my
daughter
to
be
able
to
come
back
here
and
her
children
to
be
able
to
come
back
here,
so
keeping
that
goal
in
mind
through
planning
and
zoning
and
through
looking
at
what
does
the
next
10
15
20
50
years.
Look
like
for
this
town
that
is
unable
to
grow
certain
ways
just
because
of
our
geography.
It's
a
challenge!
J
It's
a
challenge
that
you
guys,
I
know
have
faced
for
many
many
years
and
certainly
there
aren't
any
right
answers,
but
it's
it's
a
small
enough
city
and
I
would
imagine
a
small
enough
governance
that
we
should
be
able
to
turn
the
ship
easier
and
and
quicker.
That
would
be
my
hope.
D
D
Looking
at
our
you
know,
like
maybe
developments
within
the
last
year,
are
there
developments
that
you
would
have
disagreed
with
planning
and
zoning's
decision
on
and
and
and
why
or
or
if
you
don't
have
one
that
you
disagree
with
you
know,
were
there
any
like
reasonings
that
you
would
disagree
with
planning
and
zoning
on.
J
I
have
to
say
that
I
have
not
followed
the
decisions
that
planning
of
zoning
have
made.
I
can
look
at
some
developments,
just
as
a
an
inhabitant
of
the
area
such
as
the
south
slope
and
the
things
that
were
done
with
the
bike
path
and
things
of
that
nature
and,
honestly,
being
all
of
it
right.
I
I
you
know
being
again
raised
here
and
my
family.
My
grandparents
actually
immigrated
here
from
my
on
my
mom's
side
from
the
boston
area.
J
I'm
sorry
the
brooklyn
area
and
bought
three
motels,
and
one
of
them
is
that
interstate
motel,
that
is
right
across
the
street
from
the
now
harris
center
and
is
was
turned
into
condos
all
those
years
ago.
And
so
you
know
I
look
at
south
slope
and
I
compare
that
to
like
lexington
avenue
and
where
that
development
went
to
see
obviously
the
city's
involvement
in
that
development.
I
would,
I
would
give
it
a
big
thumbs
up.
You
know,
I'm
sure
it's
still
challenging
and
I'm
sure
you
guys
still
have
challenges
that
you're
facing.
J
I
can
see
that
through
the
post,
covid
and
the
pedestrian
zones
and
trying
to
figure
that
out,
you
know
is
that,
does
that
benefit
the
tourists?
Does
it
benefit
the
locals?
I
would
say
it
benefits
all
of
us
to
have
this
amazing
new
development
on
south
slope.
I'm
not
familiar
with
exactly
what
the
projects,
the
large
one
that's
going
on
right
there
behind
rabbit
rabbit.
I
assume
that's
some
housing,
so
I
I'm
probably
at
a
disadvantage
to
speak
to
that,
but
I
I
can
say
that
is
one
of
the
developments.
H
Sherry,
this
is
kim
so
considering
our
living
asheville
comprehensive
plan.
Do
you
see
some
issues
with
the
ways
that
we're
getting
in
the
way
of
our
aspirational
goals,
or
are
we
on
the
right
track?
I
heard
you
say
big
thumbs
up.
J
Yeah
I
mean
I,
I
think
the
one
thing
that
I
want
to
reiterate-
that
I
also
said
was
that
as
plans
are
in
place,
I
would
hope
that
we
are
able
to
change
those
plans
when
they
aren't
working
right.
So
so
it's
all
great
to
have
a
master
plan,
but
you
never
want
to
cut
off
your
nose
despite
your
face
and
and
to
be
able
to
make
those
changes
on
a
master
planning
level.
I
don't
know
how
simple
that
is.
You
know
I
don't
have
the
experience
of
being
on
a
board
like
this.
J
I
was
on
the
historic
resource
committee
board
years
and
years
and
years
ago,
and
you
know
that's
a
that's
something-
that's
probably
a
little
more
difficult,
because
it's
much
more
set
in
stone
by
some
some
state
and
federal
guidelines.
But
I
would
just
hope
him
that
whatever
plan
that
is
in
place,
you
know
it's
not
going
to
be
perfect
and
planning
and
zoning
isn't
going
to
make
all
the
right
decisions.
J
And
all
we
can
do
is
learn
from
the
things
that
go
well
and
from
the
things
that
go
poorly
and
to
be
able,
as
a
committee
and
with
experience,
and
ideally
longevity
on
the
committee
be
able
to
look
back
at
history
and
see
why
that
didn't
work
like
we
had
hoped
it
would
work
and
why
it
didn't
accomplish.
The
goals
of
the
people
that
are
are
there
at
the
time
and
those
goals
will
likely
look
very
different
in
five
years.
A
A
Sorry,
okay,
there
we
go.
We
are.
We
have
two
more
interviews
left.
The
next
person
is
matthew
allen
and
I
think
matt.
Mr
allen
is
here
with
us,
hello,
hi,
hello.
How
are
you
all
we're
good?
So
if
you
could
just
begin
by
telling
us
a
little
bit
about
yourself
and
why
you're
interested
in
serving
on
the
planning
and
zoning
commission.
K
Sure
been
in
asheville
since
2014
and
love
living
here,
love
to
be
a
part
of
deciding.
You
know
how
to
how
to
plan
our
city,
how
to
approve
sensible,
the
smart
growth
principles
and
just
a
little
bit
my
background.
I
have
a
law
degree.
I
have
a
real
estate
license
and
I
currently
do
professional
development,
education
and
some
government
affairs
ish
type
duties
at
the
local
board
of
realtors.
K
A
Thank
you
all
right,
so
anybody
have
any
questions
for
mr
allen.
K
I'm
fine
with
either
I
you
know,
I
I
vacillate
with
going
with
matthew
to
sound
more
professional
but
matt,
and
that
is
probably
what
I
usually
go
by.
D
Okay,
well,
thank
you,
matthew,
matt,
mr
allen,
for
applying
appreciate
that.
So
I
asked
the
question
previously
how
much
time
you
know
if
you
had
like
a
magic
wand,
how
much
time
would
planning
and
zoning
spend
on
developing
policies,
developing
changes
to
the
udo
making
recommendation
to
the
planning
organization
of
the
city
on
changing
ordinances
and
rules
versus
looking
at
developments
which,
and
you
know
what
would
your
magical
mix
be.
K
I
mean
I
I
I
would
love
that
component.
You
know,
I
appreciate
the
hearing
requests
for
conditional
use
and
preliminary
plat
approval
and
all
that
stuff
is
a
necessary
component
of
it,
but
I
love
the
idea
of
looking
at
what
we
can
do
to
again
adopt
smart
growth
principles
to
aid
with
affordable
housing
measures
that
will
allow
for
missing
middle
housing
and
creative
solutions.
The
problem
that
you.
C
K
Urban
place
form
zoning.
I
know
that
just
happened.
You
know
certainly
had
some
questions
about
that,
but
I
think
stuff
like
that
is
its
heart,
is
in
the
right
place
and
so
looking
at
what
other
jurisdictions
have
done
to
maybe
make
some
headway
in
that
regard
would
be
something
I
would.
C
K
Issues
so
I
guess
I
brought
it
up,
so
I
need
to
follow
through
right.
You
know
I
I
I
like
again,
I
like
the
idea
of
higher
density,
removing
I
don't
want
to
say
blight,
but
huge
spaces
that
could
be
better
used.
You
know
taking
advantage
of
public
transportation
in
relation
to
those
types
of
development,
huge.
K
Of
that
some
of
the
particulars
I
I
was
curious
about
you
know,
I
guess
the
I
don't
want
to
say
inclusionary
zoning
component,
but
the
affordable
housing
component
of
it.
K
So
I
I
guess
those
are
my
only
kind
of
I
guess
qualms,
but
you
know,
but
thank
you.
E
So
matt,
thank
you
so
very
much
today
and
I.
E
C
K
I
I
love
seeing
some
creative
solutions
start
to
come
up.
I
I,
I
love
the
development
of
the
river
arts
district,
I'm
just
gonna
say
it.
I
think
that's
pretty
cool
again.
I
know
I
understand
the.
I
guess
the
counter
arguments
and
the
concerns,
but
it's
it's
pretty
amazing
to
see
the
greenway
and
people
down
there's
so
much
so
many
people
walking
around
restaurants,
coffee
shops,
you
know
all
the
artists
stuff
thriving.
K
You
know,
maybe
some
housing
going
in,
which
will
be
a
benefit,
certainly
from
the
perspective
of
our
members
in
the
realtor
organization,
but
also
just
generally
speaking,
adding
more
units
to
hopefully
provide
more
housing.
So
I
I
like
that-
and
I
would
like
to
see
more
of
that,
assuming
it's
tailored
appropriately
more
stuff,
like
the
urban
place,
form
zoning.
You
know
again
higher
density,
walkability
people
being
able
to
actually
take
advantage
of
public
transportation
are
all
things
that
I
am
supportive
of
and
like
to
see.
More
of.
F
Hi
matthew
sage,
thank
you
for
your
episode.
I'm
curious.
If
you
could,
in
a
couple
of
the
other
interviews,
101
charlotte
street
was
brought
up
and
had
you
been
on
tnz
at
the
time?
Where
would
you
have
landed
on
that
project?.
K
I
probably
would
have
demurred
and
asked
more
questions
to
to
make
it
perhaps
happen,
but
while
also
you
know
taking
into
account
the
concerns
of
people
in
that
neighborhood
to
not,
you
know.
L
K
Have
a
fit
the
character
to
perhaps
keep
you
know
some
of
the
the
the
historical
structures
so
then
all
become
like
like
charlotte
for
lack
of
a
better.
I
know
that
was
the
refrain
charlotte
street
becoming
like
charlotte.
You
know
not
like
asheville,
so
you
know
so
it's
difficult
to
say
I
I
I
I
again.
I
like
the
idea
of
more
areas
of
the
city
that
would
look
similar
to
like
that,
maybe
not
exactly
like
that,
but
I
I
probably
would
have
wanted
it
tailored
changed
a
little
bit.
H
Okay,
thanks
now
considering
our
living
asheville
comprehensive
plan.
What
are
the
things
that
you
see
getting
in
the
way
of
our
aspirational
goals,
or
are
we
on
the
right
track
with
planning
and
zoning.
K
I
do
know
that,
for
example,
and
again
I
don't
mean
to
sound
like
I
only
prepared
for
one
talking
point,
but
I
think
the
urban
place
form
zoning
that
that
was
approved
recently
and
that
is
going
to
be
considered
for
other
nodes
is
something
that
definitely
jives
with
the
living
asheville
comprehensive
plan
from
what
I
understand
so
more
more
conversations
around
that
that
those
types
of
rezoning,
I
think,
are
positive
and
in
from
the
perspective
of
aligning
with
the
comprehensive
plan
as
far
as
barriers,
I
mean
I
again-
I
I
guess
I
don't
know
just
allowing
for
you
know
I'll
make
no
secret
that
I,
I
am
a
fan
of
creative
stuff,
like
flexibility
and
zoning,
for
more
adus
and
more
duplexes,
triplexes
and
quadplexes
in
more
areas.
K
D
Well,
I'm
gonna
pop
in
since
we
have
a
minute,
but
have
you
ever
met
been
on
a
board
like
like
this?
I'm
you
know
because
pnz
maybe
doesn't
get
quite
as
many
emails
as
city
council
does,
but
they
certainly
take
get
a
lot
of
input.
Have
you
ever
I
mean
what
experience
do
you
have
on
with
this
kind
of
a
board
or
this
kind
of
public
service?
Really
I.
K
I
I
really
have
none
I'm.
I
guess
I
selfishly
have
avoided
up
till
now,
but
I
I
really
did
think
that
it
was.
It
was
my
time
to
put
my
hat
in
the
ring,
or
at
least
try
to
to
to
hopefully
form
some
of
how
asheville
will
look
in
the
coming
years.
So
you
know,
I
think
I
have
a
good
basis,
like
I
said,
with
my
education
and
experience
background,
but
as
far
as
practically
serving
on
a
board
like
this,
I
don't
have
any.
A
A
Thanks,
okay
and
least
but
not
last,
mr
nick
dugan,
I
believe
this
is
somewhere
on
my
screen.
I'm
looking
around
sorry
hi!
Thank
you
for
joining
us.
Okay,
if
you
could
just
begin
by
telling
us
a
little
bit
about
yourself
and
why
you're
interested
in
serving
on
the
planning
and
zoning
commission.
L
L
Can
everyone
hear
me:
okay,
okay?
Well,
I
first
just
want
to
start
by
saying
thank
you
for
taking
the
time
to
meet
with
me
the
work
that
all
of
you
do
for
the
city
has
been
incredible
to
watch
and
it's
really
humbling
just
to
have
the
opportunity
to
talk
in
front
of
you,
but,
like
I
said
earlier,
my
name
is
nick.
I
currently
work
as
a
clinical
dietitian
at
mission.
Hospital
much
of
my
day
is
spent
in
counseling
with
patients
for
chronic
disease
management.
B
L
L
You
know,
I
find
it
interesting
that
the
ideas
of
healthy
and
resilient
communities
are
very
deeply
embedded,
not
only
in
the
living
asheville
comprehensive
plan,
but
also
the
most
recent
buncombe
county
community
health
assessment
and
yet
many
of
the
urban
design,
committees
and
opportunities
that
I've
had
to
participate.
I've
been
really
devoid
of
the
input
from
public
health
professionals,
and
so
I'm
have
great
admiration
for
the
work
that
planning
and
zoning
has
done,
as
I
do
with
the
downtown
commission
and
the
design
review
committee.
L
Certainly,
zoning
has
a
big
impact
on
the
type
of
infrastructure
that
can
be
built
where
and
consequently
it
influences
how
people
are
able
to
interact
with
that
environment,
and
so,
if
done
improperly
or
without
great
consideration
for
community
health,
you
know
zoning
policies
can
reinforce
car
dependency
or
infringe
on
pedestrian
access.
It
can
do
things
like
support
suburban
sprawl
and
even
inadvertently,
influence
and
worsen
the
impacts
of
climate
change.
I
believe
all
those
things
would
really
be
a
direct
impact
to
the
asheville
stated
goals
of
fostering
healthy
and
resilient
communities.
A
Okay,
anyone
have
any
questions.
A
L
L
I
L
Been
in
close
communication
with
lucy
crown
at
the
close,
the
gap
initiative
trying
to
improve
the
sidewalk
pedestrian
pathway
in
the
east,
end
valley,
street
neighborhood,
adjacent
to
white
labs.
I
really
feel
like
this
is
a
pathway
that
is
underserving
one
for
ada
accessibility,
but
also
just
for
the
neighborhood
and
access
towards
downtown.
L
And
a
couple
other
things
that
I
guess
I'm
a
little
nervous
and
forgetting
now.
But
I
found
myself
in
cursory
involvements
with
many
people
and
would
love
to
have
the
opportunity
to
serve
on
planning
and
zone.
D
L
Yeah,
absolutely,
although
it's
not
perhaps
a
new
development,
it
was
recently
discussed
in
the
design
review
committee
that
they'll
finally
be
putting
together
the
hotel
there
at
the
corner
of
a
biltmore
and
white
fawn.
I
know
it
was
grandfathered
in
as
a
renaissance
inn,
but
with
all
the
work
that
was
done
with
maple
crest
and
certainly
the
impacts
that
have
taken
place
on
the
white
fong
community.
The
fact
that
the
hotel
is
no
longer
consistent
with
the
new
hotel
overlay
map.
C
L
Yeah,
absolutely
one
component
of
equity
for
the
city
of
asheville
that
I
find
really
interesting
and
was
noted
in
the
asheville
comprehensive
plan
is
that
11
of
asheville
residents
do
not
have
access
to
a
car
and
that
that's
residents
within
the
city
of
asheville
and
not
buncombe
county,
and
I
find
it
to
be
very
unequitable
that,
frankly,
in
order
to
achieve
social
and
economic
mobility,
the
expectation
would
be
to
have
thousands
of
dollars
to
purchase
a
vehicle
and
hundreds
of
disposable
dollars
to
maintain
that
vehicle.
L
So
I
think
that
instituting
a
greater
and
more
comprehensive
transit
plan,
I
I
would
like
to
highlight
the
urban
centers
approach
that
was
recently
approved
actually
by
this
council
to
help
foster
what
I
would
consider
to
be
greater
transit
hubs
throughout
the
city
of
asheville
is
one
excellent
way
to
help
limit.
F
L
Barrier
and
help
influence
equity,
obviously
the
work
being
done
with
the
reparations
committee
which
I'm
happy
to
see
develop.
I
would
hope,
would
have
an
emphasis
on
home
ownership
opportunities
which
would
help
to
influence
equity.
H
This
is
kim
I'll
ask
the
same
question.
You've
already
named
some
of
the
key
themes
in
our
comp
plan.
Do
you
see
some
specific
hurdles
or
barriers
or
in
the
way
of
getting
towards
our
aspirational
goals,
or
are
we
on
right
track
with
planning
and
zoning.
L
I
do
believe
that
the
city
has
been
moving
incrementally
in
the
direction
that
would,
you
know,
encourage
positive
growth.
I
do
really
think
that
the
urban
centers
policy
that
was
approved
is
a
good
first
step
towards
that
and
examining
how
those
play
out
will
be
excellent
and
instituting
further
phases
of
the
initiation.
Asheville
is
a
difficult
city,
because
it
it
has
to
balance
ideas.
B
L
L
Thought
this
was
a
wonderful
thing.
You
said
just
a
few
weeks
prior
mentioning
the
luigi
grant
process
and
the
new
development
at
the
fuddruckers
site,
emphasizing
that
it
would
take.
L
I
forget
what
you
had
said:
maybe
50
of
these
sites
just
to
create
a
thousand
affordable
housing
units,
and
I
do
believe
that
that
should
shine
as
a
negative
impact
of
current
policy
efforts
that
maybe
we
need
to
re-evaluate
not
only
the
carrots
that
the
city
has
to
offer,
but
also
the
sticks
and
we're
in
a
really
unique
window
of
opportunity
where
there
there's
excellent
excitement
for
further
development
in
the
city
of
asheville
and
catalyzing.
Those
moments
to
achieve
what
will
help
to
be
the
most
sustainable
environment
should
be
evaluated.
H
Thank
you
nick
and
for
those
listening,
the
answer
was
25.
A
Okay,
well,
thank
you
very
much
for
joining
us
this
afternoon
for
this
interview-
and
you
will
conclude
our
interviews
for
today
and
the
city
council
will
be
discussing
these
this
appointment
this
evening
at
our
city
council
meeting
tonight.
Thank
you
all.