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So
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be.
A
A
Okay
tonight
we
have
two
proclamations.
The
first
is
Asheville
sister
cities
month
and
we
have
several
folks
that
are
here
with
sister
cities.
I
would
invite
you
all
to
come
up
here
to
the
to
the
microphone
up
here
and
okay,
I'm
gonna
stay
back
over
here
and
I.
Jessica
Cofield
is
here
and
Ken
Nelson
I
think
leading
the
group,
but
but
all
those
involved.
Please
join
me
down
there
at
the
mic.
A
Is
this
one
yep
okay,
I
also
want
to
highlight.
We
have
our
former
mayor,
Taylor
Terry
Bellamy
here,
who
was
a
big
participant
with
sister
city,
so
glad
to
see
you
here
and.
A
A
Sister
city
movement
emerged
in
1956
when
the
U.S
president
Dwight
D
Eisenhower,
convened
a
White
House
conference
on
citizen
diplomacy
and
whereas
sister
cities
International
helped
to
further
understanding
at
all
levels
of
the
community
on
a
continuing
and
long-term
basis
and
help.
Citizens
of
paired
communities
become
directly
involved
in
international
relations
and
unique
and
rewarding
exchanges
and
participate
in
projects
that
benefit
everyone.
A
A
F
Correct,
thank
you,
mayor
mannheimer,
for
that
and
the
excellent
pronunciation
as
well,
and
thank
you
to
the
city
council
for
your
support
over
the
last
30
years
and
also
to
our
community
for
all
of
their
support,
and
volunteering,
for
this
is
a
completely
volunteer-led
organization.
So
without
the
support
of
our
community
it
would
not
happen.
We
have
a
quick
presentation
that
just
kind
of
gives
a
quick
history
on
the
30
years.
F
So
what
we're
all
about
is
promoting
peace
through
people,
one
individual
and
one
community
at
a
time.
This
is
an
umbrella
organization
from
the
sister
cities
international
program
that
many
cities
around
the
U.S
and
globally
participate
in
our
local
mission
is
peace,
understanding
and
cooperation
with
these
Partnerships
between
Asheville
and
the
cities.
The
Seven
Cities
that
that
mayor
manheimer
mentioned,
which
we
will
see
here
and
I,
would
love
to
point
out
that
we
have
a
new
directional
sign
right
here
in
pack
square.
F
F
So
we
are
celebrating
30
years,
and
this
is
a
milestone
that
is
really
amazing
for
our
community
to
have
had
these
relationships
for
so
long
and
we
continue
to
grow
those
relationships
in
the
cities
that
we
currently
have,
the
partnership
in
and
in
cities
around
the
world.
We
are
getting
requests,
often
for
such
an
amazing
town
to
be
partnered
with
at
Asheville
is
so
I'm
going
to
let
Ken
talk
a
little
bit
about
our
youth
engagement.
We
have
three
focused
areas
and
we'll
promise
to
make
it
quick
thanks.
G
Jessica
and
she
kind
of
get
slipped
by
it
pretty
quickly
in
her
presentation,
but
Jessica
was
recently
elected
to
the
board
of
the
sister
cities,
International,
so
she's.
Officially,
now
a
delegate
to
the
sister
cities,
International
board,.
G
And
it's
an
exciting
time,
obviously
coming
out
of
the
pandemic.
I
was
the
past
president
that
had
the
joy
of
being
president
during
the
pandemic,
when
basically
I
scheduled
a
lot
of
things
and
canceled
a
lot
of
things,
and
but
we
did
stay
relevant
and
we
really
do
appreciate
the
city
and
everyone,
the
volunteers
working
with
us
as
we
work
through
the
challenges
that
the
pandemic
provided.
G
One
area
that
we
focused
on
is
youth
engagement
as
Jessica
mentioned,
and
we
have
engaged
on
multiple
levels:
everything
from
pen
pals
on
a
younger
younger
level,
all
the
way
to
professional
training
through
a
B
Tech
with
student
chefs.
So
the
last
project
we
were
working
on
right
before
the
pandemic
February
of
2020.
If
you
can
recall,
was
we
hosted
a
delegation
of
32
high
school
kids
from
for
our
sister
sitting
in
so
we
were
France
through
the
Franklin
School
of
innovation
as
well
as
UNCA
and
Asheville
High.
We
managed
to
have
a.
H
B
F
F
So
our
second
focus
is
citizen
diplomacy,
and
you
heard
that
mentioned
a
couple
times,
but
citizen
diplomacy
is
really
connecting
on
the
personal
level,
leaving
the
the
politics
aside
and
really
trying
to
understand
one
another
in
the
culture
that
they're
present
in
so
it's
involves
travel.
It
involves
awareness
and
education
and
going
into
a
place
where
you're
not
going
to
just
check
off
the
highlights.
F
G
G
Obviously
we
talked
about
the
understanding,
but
collaboration
on
many
levels:
commercial,
charitable
educational
I
mean
where
we
try
to
build
boundary
or
bonds
with
our
sister
cities
on
as
many
levels
as
possible,
one
of
which,
which
is
really
exciting,
is
we
are
about
to
send
a
delegation
to
valid
Elite
Mexico,
we're
led
by
Rebecca
Robertson,
and
we
are
sponsoring
a
project
to
work
with
Mayan
local
Mayan
women
to
to
build
little
small
micro
businesses
raising
honeybees
there's
a
stingless
bee
called
the
melaponaby,
which
is
the
only
indigenous
beat
in
North
America,
and
we
are
going
to
help
them
build
these
micro
businesses
to
harvest
the
very
sacred
hunting.
L
H
F
So,
on
a
local
level,
what
can
we
do?
There
are
lots
of
opportunities,
whether
it's
growing
our
local
economy
and
doing
internship
exchanges
or
education
exchanges,
there's
a
lot
to
learn
from
our
sister
cities
about
sustainability
and
what
they
do
and
how
we
operate.
Even
at
a
tourism
level.
A
lot
of
our
cities
are
picked
because
of
their
very
heavy
tourism
development
areas.
So
I
think
when
it
comes
to
the
ways
that
our
city
can
partner
with
our
sister
cities,
the
the
sky's
the
limit,
but
certainly
so
so,
are
the
volunteer
hours.
F
So,
let's
make
sure
we
get
some
some
new
members
in
the
door
and
the
way
you
can
do
that
is
visit
ashevillesisterscities.org.
We
have
membership
opportunities,
sponsorship,
opportunities,
donations,
so
sponsorship,
either
in
kind
or
financial
and
then,
of
course,
volunteering
so
I
encourage
everyone
to
visit
our
website.
F
The
other
two
things
that
I
want
to
mention
before
we
close
is
that
we
just
redead
the
display
case
at
the
entrance
to
City
Hall,
which
is
I,
don't
know
the
last
time
it
had
been
updated,
but
we
have
some
new
items
in
there
for
you
all.
As
you
come
into
city
hall
building
and
then
our
annual
meeting
and
closing
celebration
will
be
November,
the
6th
from
3
to
5
p.m.
It's
a
Sunday
at
Highland
Brewing.
F
We
have
the
the
barrel
room
space,
which
is
a
really
beautiful
space
out
there
and
we'll
be
celebrating
our
30th
anniversary
with
a
party
and
some
guest
speakers
and
you'll
get
to
have
a
passport
around
the
the
world
stamped
with
different
foods.
You
get
to
try
from
each
of
our
sister
cities.
A
Okay,
our
second
Proclamation
tonight
will
be
read
by
councilwoman
Kim
Roney,
and
it
is
in
supportive
efforts
of
the
travel
Council
of
the
Eastern
band
of
Cherokee
Indians
to
restore
the
name
of
KU
hoi.
And
someone
hopefully
tell
me
how
they're
properly
sit
kuohi
to
the
mountain
presently
known
as
klingman's
Dome,
and
anyone
who
is
here
on
this
Proclamation.
Please
feel
free
to
come
forward
and
welcome.
M
Whereas
the
city
of
togiasti
Asheville
is
committed
to
creating
an
inclusive
community
that
celebrates
diversity
and
ensures
all
residents
have
Equitable
opportunities
to
lead
healthy,
peaceful,
safe
and
sustainable
lives,
and
whereas,
on
the
12th
day
of
October
2016,
the
Asheville
city
council
adopted
the
second
Monday
of
October.
As
indigenous
people's
day.
M
We
also
acknowledged
our
nation's
history
of
colonial
settlerism
that
has
inflicted
discrimination
and
genocide
upon
indigenous
people
and
recognize
that
truth
must
come
before
reconciliation
and
whereas
the
area
currently
known
as
Asheville
and
Buncombe
County
North
Carolina
rest
on
land
that
was
first
inhabited
by
the
Cherokee
and
their
ancestors
and
which
covered
more
than
one
hundred
thousand
square
miles
of
what
today
is
Western.
North
Carolina,
Eastern,
Tennessee,
Northern,
Georgia
and
upstate
South,
Carolina
and
white
settlers
began
arriving
in
what
would
become
Buncombe
County
in
the
1760s
and
laid
false
claim
to
this
Cherokee
land.
M
Now,
therefore,
I
do
hereby
Proclaim
support
for
the
efforts
of
the
tribal
council,
the
Eastern
band
of
Cherokee
Indians,
to
restore
the
name
of
kuoki
to
the
mountain
presently
known
as
Clingmans
Dome
and
I
present.
This
proclamation
to
La,
Vida,
Hill,
Mary
Crowe
and
the
many
members
of
restore
kuoki
that
are
members
of
the
Eastern
band
of
Cherokee.
N
My
name
is
Lavita
Hill
I
am
a
member
of
the
Eastern
band
of
Cherokee
Indians
and,
first
of
all,
thank
you
all
very
much,
and
this
is
a
very
great
Proclamation.
It
sounds
fabulous.
Thank
you.
I
would
like
to
speak
just
a
second
on
what
the
overall
goal
is
and,
as
Kim
had
stated,
we
do
live
in
in
Cherokee,
North
Carolina
on
the
koala
boundary.
N
This
is
a
gift
and
we
feel
that
restoring
its
rightful
name
kawohi
is
essential
for
our
people
for
reconciliation.
For
you
know
some
of
the
things
that
Kim
touched
on
here
so
I'm
here
tonight
to
say
thank
you
and
thank
you
for
giving
me
just
a
little
bit
of
time
to
share
a
little
bit
of
the
history
as
to
why
we're
doing
this.
O
Hello,
everyone,
my
name,
is
Mary
Crowe.
I
too,
am
a
member
of
the
Eastern
band
of
Cherokee
here
on
the
quality
boundary
in
Cherokee
North
Carolina
I'd,
just
like
to
say
thank
you
for
giving
us
this
opportunity
to
be
here
this
evening
and
also
for
this
wonderful
Proclamation.
We
appreciate
the
Asheville
city
council
and
we
appreciate
the
city
of
Asheville
in
your
acknowledgment
and
your
recognition
of
our
land
is
Who
We,
Are
and
kuohi.
The
Mulberry
place
is
more
than
just
the
Mulberry
place.
It's
a
spiritual
place
for
our
prophets.
O
We
not
just
the
men
but
the
women
prophets.
They
would
go
and
have
counsel
there,
and
you
come
back
and
give
us
guidance
to
our
townships
and
to
our
communities.
It
was
also
in
our
stories
for
the
bear
held
Council.
It
was
also
a
place
where
we
took
Refuge.
We
were
fleeing
from
Forced
removal,
but
I
would
list
like
to
make
a
note
that
we
gotten
touched
by
the
family
of
t.
L,
clingman,
Mr,
Thomas,
Lanier
cleanman,
the
great
great
nephew
from
what
we
understand.
O
The
person
who
the
the
mountain
was
named
after
did
not
have
any
descendants,
but
he
had
a
brother
and
the
great
great
nephew,
whose
name
was
Thomas.
Linear
clingman
sent
a
letter
to
an
email
to
our
chief,
our
chief
forwarded
to
Lavita
and
I,
and
on
September
8th,
while
in
Washington
DC
I
met
with
Mr
clingman,
and
he
said
his
parents
were
still
alive.
O
O
You
know
we're
in
a
we're
in
a
time
in
our
in
our
in
our
history,
where
we
need
to
come
together
as
human
beings
and
understand
that
we
have
a
common.
You
know
ground
in
that
we
have
a
common
need
and
a
desire
to
live
in
these
mountains
free.
You
know
when
we
look
around
at
climate
change
and
the
things
that's
going
around
we're
blessed
here.
I
tell
folks
that
the
Great
Smoky
Mountains
is
one
of
the
last
of
the
biodiverse
areas
in
the
world.
O
The
people
that
were
before
you
were
protecting
the
honeybees,
who
are
very
important.
The
salamanders,
the
Great
Smoky
Mountains
is
known
as
the
salamander
capital
of
the
world
and
they
just
found
a
new
salamander
called
the
black
Bailey
Cherokee.
They
named
it,
but
the
salamanders
are
our
freshwater
indicators
and
in
our
Rivers
we
have
big
large
salamanders
called
the
hellbender
and
they're
real
ugly,
but
they're
really
really
important
to
our
streams
and
our
Rivers.
O
So
with
this
Proclamation
and
with
this
acknowledgment
and
understanding
that
we
live
in
a
beautiful
area
here
in
our
traditional
territory
of
the
only
human
young,
the
principal
people
and
the
principal
people
meant
that
we
weren't
better
than
anyone.
It
meant
that
we
were
to
strive
to
hold
the
principles
of
life
and
the
principles
here
on
Earth
and
so
with
that
I.
Thank
you
because
this
is
very
important
to
the
work
and
the
principles
that
we're
trying
to
do
to
bring
back
this
peace
to
our
people.
You
know
I'm,
not
a
fluent
Cherokee
speaker.
O
A
P
P
Just
really
want
to
speak
to
the
strength
and
the
leadership
and
vision
that
La,
Vida
and
Mary
Crowe
have
shown
in
bringing
this
name
chain
forward
and
are
there
all
their
diligence
on
it
and
what
they're
doing
for
the
community
I'm
an
urban
Indian
I
live
right
here
in
Asheville,
and
this
name
change
and
restoring
the
name
kawohee
as
important
to
me
as
a
citizen
of
the
Cherokee
Nation.
But
it's
also
important
for
Native
and
Indigenous
people
around
the
country
to
see
the
leadership
of
women
and
other
natives
like
this.
P
Stepping
up
and
ensuring
that
our
sacred
lands
are
recognized.
Our
culture
isn't
the
same
as
what
we
see
today.
We
didn't
go
around
and
name
every
mountain
and
every
stream
and
call
it
by
someone's
name
like
Marion
Lavita
have
spoken
to
these
places
that
we
named
how
deep
and
meaningful
reasons
in
our
life
for
being
acknowledged
with
those
names
and
those
descriptions
and
so
honoring.
That
right
now
is
recognition
for
us,
our
ancestors
and
empowering
our
our
future
generations
to
continue
to
resist
ethnicide
and
genocide.
P
A
Okay,
next
we're
going
to
move
on
to
the
consent
agenda.
Do
I
have
questions
comments
or
a
motion
to
approve
the
consent
agenda.
C
I
do
have
a
comment
on
dear
a
comment
on
consent.
Item
e
is
now
the
appropriate
attempt
so
consented.
Item
e
is
the
lease
for
parks
and
maintenance.
A
new
facility
I
want
to
bring
that
to
your
attention,
because
this
is
really
writing
something
that
was
promised
to
the
East
End
Community.
Quite
some
time
ago,
I
had
the
opportunity
to
speak
with
folks
in
the
neighborhood
association
and
when
I
tell
you
they
are
thrilled,
it
would
be
an
understatement,
so
they
ask
that
I.
C
Thank
you,
Debra
the
city
manager,
for
your
work
on
this,
as
well
as
staff,
and
in
fact,
when
I
was
at
church
Sunday,
someone
approached
me.
C
Their
family
has
lived
on
Hunt
Hill
Place
for
many
decades
I
remember
they
were
living
there
when
I
was
a
little
girl,
but
what
practically
everyone
from
the
association
mentioned
to
me
was
they
wanted
to
really
thank
you
Gwen
for
the
hard
work
and
your
efforts
in
this
regard,
so
they
are
particularly
thankful
for
this
and
particular,
but
your
work
for
a
number
of
years
now
on
Council.
Thank
you
are.
R
B
Q
S
T
So,
thank
you
and
good
evening.
Everyone.
The
manager's
report,
is
an
employee
recognition
and
there
is
nothing
that
gives
me
more
pleasure
than
recognizing
city
employees
and
so
to
tonight.
T
We
have
the
opportunity
to
recognize
someone
who
has
been
recognized
for
a
statement
award.
So
city
of
actual
employees
are
our
heroes
in
in
lots
of
ways
and
we're
pleased
to
acknowledge
their
exemplary
work
all
the
time,
but
especially
when
employees
either
do
something
or
are
recognized
for
Extraordinary
work.
So
tonight
we
recognize
Public,
Works
fleet
manager,
Jake
cloth
for
being
honored
as
the
2022
fleet
manager
of
the
year
for
the
state
of
North
Carolina
by
the
NC
chapter
of
the
American
public
works
Association.
So
can
we
just
take
a
moment.
T
T
During
covet
he
was
working
from
home
while
working
from
home
was
an
object
in
work
from
home
because
he
couldn't
because
he's
a
fleet
manager,
mechanics
employees
had
to
continue
working
on
site
to
repair,
essential
vehicles
and
equipment
for
emergency
responders
sanitation
and
water.
Jake
was
diligent
in
keeping
his
employees
and
customers
safe
and
implemented.
Many
safety
procedures
and
regulations
covet
virus
was
never
spread.
Among
Fleet
employees
fleet
was
able
to
keep
all
City
departments
on
the
road
in
safe
maintained
vehicles
and
Equipment
next
slide.
Please.
T
He
has
gone
above
and
beyond
the
Call
of
Duty
and
truly
cares
about
the
well-being
of
all
his
staff
and
the
impact
of
the
work
performed
by
Fleet.
Jake
is
dedicated
to
his
career,
while
also
keeping
his
family
a
priority
and
Jake
has
his
family
here
and
I
want
to
recognize
his
wife
Leslie,
and
they
are
the
proud
parents
of
twin
boys,
Asher
and
Maverick.
T
T
T
L
L
And
really,
as
well
as
my
team,
I
wouldn't
be
here.
Without
my
you
know,
my
team
in
fleets
and
I
I
hope
everyone
understands
how
how
vital
of
a
role
that
they
play.
You
know
with
helping
me
get
this
prestigious
award
as
well,
as
you
know,
just
for
all
that
we
do
for
the
city,
so
I
wouldn't
be
here
without
them,
so
I
I
owe
it
all
to
them
and
to
my
director,
but
thank
you
very
much
for
having
me
thank
you,
foreign.
A
So
as
we
transition
to
the
public
hearings
agenda,
we
have
two
items
on
our
public
hearings
agenda,
but
the
first
we
need
a
motion
to
continue
until
November.
15Th
do
I
have
a
motion.
This.
B
A
Any
opposed
all
right.
The
next
is
a
public
hearing
to
consider
conditionally
zoning
154
and
99999
times.
V
This
map
shows
the
existing
and
proposed
zoning
of
the
site,
which
is
located
on
about
nine
acres
across
five
properties
in
the
sulfur
Sulfur
Springs
neighborhood
of
West
Asheville,
a
couple
properties
north
of
Patton
Avenue.
You
can
see
the
existing
zoning
RMA,
residential,
multi-family,
medium
density
and
then
due
to
the
proposed
number
of
dwelling
units
for
this
project.
It's
a
conditional
zoning
to
the
residential
expansion
conditional
zone
is
required.
V
This
aerial
imagery,
you
can
get
a
sense
for
the
area
a
little
bit
better.
You
can
see.
The
existing
site
is
mostly
grassy
kind
of
Meadows,
with
some
trees
and
then
one
single
family
house
on
the
site,
surrounded
to
the
north
and
west,
by
mostly
single
family
homes
and
then
to
the
east
and
south
by
commercial
and
light
industrial
uses.
V
So
the
site
plans
shown
here
and
then
some
details
and
highlights
about
it
and
just
to
orient
folks
that
North
is
to
the
left
so
East
is,
is
up
on
the
screen
so
kind
of
tilt
your
head
a
little
bit
to
get
North
North
perspective
here,
but
essentially
I'll
walk
through
some
of
the
details
of
the
site
plan
and
then
some
of
the
changes
that
have
been
made
along
the
way
for
this
project.
V
What's
being
proposed,
is
72
dwelling
units
located
across
10
groups
of
two-story
attached
Townhomes,
the
town
homes
are
proposed
to
be
subdivided
onto
individual
Lots
which
effectively
make
them
a
single
family
according
to
our
zoning
code.
V
So
that
is
the
the
way
that
they're
evaluated
against
the
technical
requirements
total
of
177
parking
spaces,
72
of
which
are
garage
72,
which
are
driveway
and
there's
37
additional
spaces
for
guests
and
visitors
located
in
the
center
portion
of
the
site,
and
then
that
total
is
is
look
is
between
the
minimum
and
maximum
required
parking
for
residential
expansion
based
on
the
number
of
units.
V
There's
also
a
five
foot
wide
sidewalk,
with
a
five
foot
wide
planting
strip
proposed
on
the
Northern
side
of
the
entrance,
Drive
Woodland,
Woodland
Drive
located
along
here
and
then
five
foot
wide
sidewalks
internal
to
the
site
and
that
all
meets
what's
required
for
single
family
development
and
residential
expansion.
Zone
a
gravel
walking
path
is
proposed
that
kind
of
parallels,
the
Crete
that's
on
the
western
side
of
the
site,
which
eventually
meets
up
with
the
sidewalk
near
the
entrance
Drive.
V
So
just
fun
to
highlight
actually
I
might
highlight
some
of
the
other
changes
as
well
on
this
site
plan.
So
during
the
iterations
of
the
Planning
and
Zoning
commissions
review
of
the
projects,
the
applicant
also
added
a
kind
of
re
redesigned,
the
Center
Plaza
public
space
of
the
site
added
a
playground
and
added
more
room
for
recreation
in
that
area.
V
V
So
a
couple
changes
since
the
project
was
reviewed
a
couple
weeks
ago
or
just
last
week
at
the
October
5th
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
meeting.
The
major
change
is
that
10
of
the
units
are
proposed
to
be
affordable
for
those
earning
80
or
below
the
area,
median
income
and
then
half
of
those
units
four
units
would
accept
housing,
Choice
vouchers,
and
this
is
an
increase
from
the
previous
proposal,
which
was
only
for.
V
I
just
want
to
highlight
a
couple
things
in
the
landscape
plan.
You
can
see
the
proposed
tree
plantings
as
required,
which
included
requirements
for
things
like
Street
trees
and
parking
lot.
Screening.
V
V
Essentially,
that's
a
multi-family
standard
which
the
project
was
initially
being
reviewed
under
being
single
family.
They
are
required
to
provide
a
30
foot
wide
buffer,
so
they're
seeking
a
modification
to
keep
the
formula
design
20
foot
wide
buffer
instead
of
the
30
foot
wide
buffer
and
then
there's
about
200
linear
feet
where
there
are
MSD
easements,
where
you
can't
plant
trees
on
kind
of
a
Eastern
side
of
the
site,
western
side
of
the
site
and
then
some
relief
to
the
buffer
requirement.
V
V
And
then
just
brief
briefly
want
to
show
the
storm
water
plan.
You
know
there
are
some
aspects
of
the
project
which
you
know
reflect
a
more
traditional
approach
to
storm
water
treatment.
It's
hard
to
see
on
this
plan,
but
there
are
a
number
of
catch
catch
basins
proposed
throughout
the
site
which
obviously
collects
storm
water
and
then
direct
it
into
the
MSD
storm
water
system
off-site.
V
But
there
are
also
a
couple
of
proposed
features
regarding
storm
water
that
reflect
best
management
practices,
which
is
the
proposed
bio
basins
and
they're
shown
in
the
center
of
the
site,
but
beneath
the
concrete
Plaza
here,
and
also
in
the
kind
of
Southern
Westerly
corner
of
the
site
there
and-
and
these
are
features,
they're
engineering
elements
that
help
to
kind
of
slow
the
the
flow
of
the
storm
water,
treat
the
storm
water
and
improve
the
quality
that
then
goes
off-site
and
mitigate
any
larger
containments,
containments
or
debris
that
could
end
up
otherwise.
V
In
the
stormwater
basin,
there's
also
a
30
foot
wide
buffer
off
of
the
banks
of
the
stream,
which
is
located
on
the
western
side
of
the
site.
But
the
project
is
adhering
to
as
well,
so
some
of
the
building
elevations
that
are
submitted
here.
There
are
a
couple
different
products
being
proposed,
one
of
which
is
a
a
wider
model
townhouse
on
top
and
in
a
more
narrow
products
of
townhouse.
V
V
You
can
see
a
little
more
details
about
the
materials
proposed
being
mostly
citing
kind
of
a
mix
of
vertical
and
horizontal
siding.
Some
brick
veneer
features
on
on
the
kind
of
first
floor
and
garage
elements.
You
also
get
a
sense
of
the
driveway
accesses,
some
of
which
are
shared
driveways,
so
you
only
have
maybe
one
curb
cut
for
for
two
of
the
garages.
Others
are
are
one
curb
cut
for
each
garage
depending
on
the
section
of
the
site,
and
then
this
rendering,
which
shows
a
little
bit
better?
V
So
the
project
was
approved
with
conditions
at
the
June
6
technical,
Review
Committee,
and
it
was
reviewed
by
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
a
number
of
times.
It
was
continued
twice
after
July
and
August
meeting
to
allow
the
applicant
to
incorporate
recommendations
from
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
and
then
was
heard
as
well
at
the
special
September
21st
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
meeting
no
recommendation
was
was
given
by
the
commission,
given
that
the
votes
who
approve
failed
two
to
two.
V
In
relation
to
the
projects,
adherence
to
the
living
Asheville
comprehensive
plan
staff
does
find
that
the
the
project
is
consistent
with
the
future
land
use
map,
which
is
residential
neighborhood,
in
that
it
provides
more
housing.
Diversity
such
as
accessory
Apartments,
duplexes
and
other
types
of
small-scale
infill
housing,
which
is
how
that
land
use
category
is
envisioned
to
be
in
the
future.
Staff
also
finds
that
the
project
Supports
number
of
goals
in
the
plan
such
that
it
meets
the
goal
of
encouraging
responsible
growth
by
prioritizing
greater
densities
of
development
overall
and
throughout
the
city
as
appropriate.
V
It
increases
the
diversity,
increases
and
diversifies
the
housing
Supply,
in
that
it
increases
the
housing
Supply
and
existing
residential
neighborhoods
at
greater
densities
and
with
the
diversity
in
building
types,
and
also
celebrates
the
unique
identity
of
neighborhoods
through
creative
Place
making
by
providing
contextually,
appropriate
infill
development
and
a
variety
of
housing
types.
That's
kind
of
thinking
more
through
the
kind
of
scale.
V
The
proposed
Townhomes
of
their
two
stories,
relatively
similar
to
the
existing
single-family
houses
nearby
on
the
materials,
are
generally
consistent
with
what
you
see
around
around
the
neighborhood
at
those
houses
as
well,
and
therefore
for
that,
for
those
reasons,
staff
recommends
approval
of
the
proposed
conditional
zoning.
I
know
you
know.
V
The
project
team
has
been
in
conversation
a
lot
with
the
with
the
neighborhood
and
we've
been
obviously
had
a
lot
of
comments
throughout
the
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
review
of
the
projects
as
well-
and
you
know
I
think
you
know,
staff's
recommendation
is
based
on
the
facts
that
not
every
project
perhaps
meets
every
goal.
V
Limited
access,
topography
challenges
outweigh
any
of
the
any
of
the
cons
of
the
projects.
So
you
know
in
that
kind
of
kind
of
pro,
and
con
of
the
of
the
project
is
reflected
I
think
in
the
planning
zoning
commission's
kind
of
split
vote
on
the
approval,
but
overall
staff
does
recommend
approval
of
the
proposed
conditional
zoning,
and
that
concludes
my
presentation,
I'm
glad
to
answer
any
questions.
We
also
have
the
applicant
team
with
us
here
tonight:
okay,.
A
Okay,
I
I'd
had
a
couple
questions
for
you
before
we
hear
from
from
them
one
question
we
always
get
and
I
understand
on
this
project.
It's
not
clear
if
it's
going
to
be
rental
or
sale
or
combination
of
rental
and
sale
of
some
of
the
units
is
whether
or
not
any
of
the
units
would
be
eligible
to
be
a
short-term
rental
and
I
assume.
The
answer
is
no,
because
we
don't
from
a
zoning
standpoint.
We
don't
allow
short-term,
rentals
well
and
anywhere,
except
for
one
particular
zoning
classification,
which
this
wouldn't
be.
That's
correct.
V
Yep,
that
is
correct.
The
residential
expansion
is
not
allowed
for
sure,
short-term
vacation,
rentals
and
they're,
not
asking
for
that
specific
allowance.
In
this
plan
you
know
the
home
stay
provision
would
still
fly.
So
if
folks
lived
in
those
units
with
one
of
the
rents
out
of
bedroom
or
two
like
they
can
in
most
districts,
that
would
be
an
option
still
to
help
with
additional
income,
but
it
would
not
be.
It
could
not
be
a
short-term
vacation
rental
in.
A
Any
of
these
units
same
as
we
haven't
yeah
one
one
concern
raised
is
about
the
style
of
the
town
home.
Having
a
front-facing
garage
and
I
understand,
the
request
is
to
move
the
garages
around
to
the
rear,
make
the
street
a
view
of
the
units
more
sort
of
Street
activated.
If
you
will,
and
what
I
understand
is
the
the
response
we've
heard
as
well,
the
Topography
is
prohibitive
in
terms
of
the
I
mean
I
assume
you
could
put
far
less
units
on
the
property
and
and
do
something
like
that.
A
But
the
way
the
site
plan
looks,
this
is
internally
situated
right.
So
you'd
have
to
go
into
this
development
to
see
the
fronts
of
the
Town
Homes.
Will
the
fronts
be
visible
if
you're
not
in
the
community,.
V
I
mean,
depending
on
where
you
were
you
know,
I
think
I
can't
speak
to
the
viability
of
a
redesign
but
as
proposed
you
know,
the
town
of
house
is
certainly
kind
of
face
into
each
other.
I'd
say
it's
good
that
they
do
face
each
other.
As
far
as
a
community
design
perspective
within
the
development.
V
You
know,
there's
a
lot
of
screening
to
some
degree
along
the
the
rear
yards
of
some
of
the
adjoining
households.
So
it's
hard
to
say
how
much
they
would
be
able
to
see
from
their
backyards
to
the
backyards
of
these
Town
Homes,
you
know
redesigned
the
site
could
if
it
was
on.
If
the
roadway
is
on
the
exterior
and
the
houses
and
Townhomes
are
more
Central
could
kind
of
flipped
that
equation
a
little
bit.
V
It
would
also
maybe
introduce
additional
light
pollution
with
vehicle
turning
movements
and
that
kind
of
thing
as
well,
so
you
know
I
think
maybe
there's
maybe
there
are
pros
and
cons
of
either
design
as
currently
proposed,
though
I
feel
like
the
fronts
of
these
Town
Homes
would
be
difficult
to
see
from
the
surrounding
area.
A
One
of
the
other
concerns
raised
was
about
allowing
an
ex
allowing
the
applicant
not
to
adhere
to
sidewalk
requirements
and
I'm
a
little.
So
one
of
the
one
of
the
statements
is
put
sidewalks
on
both
sides
of
the
street
and
maybe
we'll
have
to
get
some
clarification
is.
Do
you
know
what
that's
with
reference
to?
Is
that
talking
about
the
entrance,
or
do
you
know
what
that
yeah.
V
V
Essentially,
the
short
answer
is
that,
given
the
I
believe
it's
based
on
the
number
of
proposed
vehicles
on
that
roadway
and
the
fact
that
it's
being
viewed
as
a
single
family
development
in
the
zoning
regulations
would
be
that
sidewalk
is
only
required
on
one
side
of
the
road.
So
this
this
was
a
technical
modification
earlier
when
the
project
was
classified
as
multi-family,
because
that
requires
10
foot,
wide
sidewalks
and
perhaps
on
both
sides
of
the
road.
After
the
project
proposed
the
condition
that
every
prop
every
townhouse
would
be
subdivided
on
an
individual
lot.
V
V
Standards
and
specifications
design
manual
has
more
details
about
sidewalks,
which
basically
states
that
it's
only
required
on
one
side
of
the
street
if
certain
conditions
are
met
such
as
they
are
with
this
project,.
A
M
Have
a
couple,
so
this
is
a
very
car-centric
project,
there's
a
garage
in
every
spot
and
there's
not
enough
sidewalks
and
there's
no
bike.
Lanes
I,
think
that
speaks
to
the
situation
of
today,
but
not
the
situation
for
a
hopeful
future.
So
I
guess,
because
I'm
seeing
I'm
seeing
this
twice
now
two
consecutive
City
Council
meetings
in
a
row
where
we
see
projects
that
note
that
there's
no
no
opportunity
to
safely
bicycle
in
the
neighborhood
and
I
think
that
our
neighbors
deserve
resilient
options
for
transportation.
M
Also,
this
project
is
seven
tenths
of
a
mile
from
the
we
to
bus
lane,
which
is
our
bus
route,
which
is
one
of
our
later
and
more
frequent
routes.
So
I
guess
my
concern
is
not
just
for
this
project
but
like
what's
happening
on
our
side
that
we're
not
getting
what
we
need
for
our
neighbors
and
then
the
thing
that
I
ask
is
I.
M
Ask
it
every
time
is
what
are
the
opportunities
for
renewable
energy
for
this
to
be
a
neighborhood
that
helps
to
meet
not
only
the
future
needs
of
this
neighborhood,
but
also
help
us
meet
our
carbon
reduction
goals.
V
Sure,
thank
you.
Yeah
I'll,
look
to
the
developers
speak
to
the
last
question.
I
believe
they
were
looking
in
some
solutions
to
potentially
allow
for
a
future
solar
hookups
if
possible,
but
I,
don't
have
any
updated
information
on
that,
so
they
might
be
able
to
speak
more
about
that.
V
If
you
want
me
to
try
to
address
those
other
questions,
thinking
more
about
alternative
transportation
networks
throughout
the
area,
it's
something
that
staff
did
look
at
and
talked
about
with
the
you
know,
development,
team
and
and
the
public
as
well.
V
You
know
it's
it's
tricky
with
transit
to
try
to
design
for
something:
that's
not
not
there
yet
I!
Think
if
there
were
you
know,
bus
amenities
or
a
bus
route
in
the
neighborhood,
then
project
could
have
thought
more
about
how
to
trying
to
tie
into
that
in
a
more
tie-in
to
it
at
all,
given
kind
of
the
isolation
of
the
site
and
distances
to
the
closest
bus
route
and
bus
stop.
There
were
really
no
features
like
that
incorporated
so.
M
For
the
benefit
of
the
public,
I'll
just
say
that
seven
tenths
of
a
mile
from
a
frequent
and
late
bus
stop
is
a
lot
better
than
most
places
for
transportation
by
transit
and
that
I've
been
farther
from
this
in
this
direction
of
West
Asheville
and
had
to
gone
farther
and
I
wasn't
alone.
So
I
know
that
we
certainly
our
neighbors,
will
expect
better
of
us
than
the
excuse
that
the
bus
isn't
closer
when
it's
closer
than
a
lot
of
other
opportunities
to
develop
housing.
M
B
W
W
Foreign
good
evening
mayor
vice
mayor
staff
and
attendees
and
staff,
my
name
is
Derek
Allen
I'm,
an
attorney
at
Allen,
Stone
Kilbourne
I've
been
working
with
the
development
team
and
the
engineers
in
this
particular
project
and
start
at
the
end.
With
councilwoman
maroney's
questions
concerning
renewable
energy
options.
We
are
committing
to
adding
charging
stations
and
we're
willing
to
put
that
in
as
a
condition,
and
we
are
working
with
a
solar
consultant
not
just
on
this
project
but
they're,
making
a
company-wide
change.
W
Trilogy
who's
here
tonight
and
I'll
introduce
them
in
a
second
to
look
at
solar
as
an
option
on
all
their
clubhouses
and
all
their
their
projects
going
forward.
So
we
appreciate
that
suggestion,
and
this
is
the
only
project
they're
doing
in
our
community,
both
inside
the
city
limits,
as
well
as
in
Buncombe
County
and
we'll
be
looking
at
that
on
each
one
of
our
projects.
W
As
I
said,
my
name
is
Derek.
Allen
I
do
have
the
development
team
here,
John
Boniface
and
Stephen
Freeman
they're
from
Trilogy
Daniel
Hyatt
and
Derek
Butler
from
weight
trim.
Those
are
the
engineers
and
design
team
on
this
project.
W
Mr
Palmquist
did
introduce
the
those
two
amendments,
the
10,
affordable
housing
with
at
least
half
of
that,
and
so
we
rounded
up
to
four
on
accepting
hack
up
vouchers
and
the
renderings
that
was
added.
It
tended
to
be
added
in
as
a
condition
as
well
as
our
commitment
to
having
charging
stations
on
site.
W
There
was
an
article
day
in
the
Citizen
Times
about
the
missing
medal
and
infill
projects
and
specifically
referenced
Townhomes
perfect
time,
and
this
is
exactly
what
this
is,
and
these
projects
are
difficult
to
engineer,
they're
difficult
to
negotiate
and
a
Town
Home
Project
we
have
found
through
working
with
City
legal.
Our
ordinance
doesn't
contemplated
it
very
well
and
it's
a
relatively
new
type
of
product
that
we're
seeing
being
introduced
into
our
city
with
that
staff
and
planning
and
zoning
and
really
the
design
team
had
a
stumble
at
the
beginning.
W
W
In
terms
of
the
proximity
to
the
bus
line,
we
think
that's
a
plus
the
0.7
miles.
I
agree,
that's
that's
a
short
distance.
We
also
like
the
proximity
to
a
transportation
Corridor,
in
addition
to
the
transportation
Corridor,
its
proximity
to
patent,
the
industrial
there
between
patent
and
the
site
and
the
railroad
and
the
industrial
uses.
Those
parts
we
think
make
this
a
very
good
transition
project
from
patent
to
Industrial.
W
This
project
is
not
asking
for
City
assistance
through
luige,
so
the
10,
affordable
housing
is
a
commitment,
that's
on
the
backs
of
the
developers
and
all
the
developers
and
one
of
the
things
that's
come
up
recently
on.
Some
of
these
projects
that
have
affordable
housing
commitments
is
they're,
typically
encouraged
in
terms
of
the
math
to
do
studios
in
one
bedrooms,
these
aren't
Studios
or
one
bedrooms.
These
are
two
and
three
bedroom
homes,
and
so
in
terms
of
the
affordable
housing
bedrooms
you're
getting
two
and
three
times
the
bang
for
buck.
W
In
terms
of
that
commitment
density,
we're
asking
for
half
of
what's
permitted
open
space,
we're
providing
more
than
double
than
what's
permitted
impervious.
We
have
less
than
half
of
what
we
would
be
permitted
with
a
multi-family
traditional
project
and
as
we've
got
along
through
this
and
planning
a
zoning
staff,
and
then
our
planning
staff
have
realized
that
this
is
a
single
family.
W
Home
we've
been
asked
to
commit
to
a
lot
of
different
things
along
the
way
we've
tried
to
meet
all
of
those
we've
evaluated
all
of
them
and
we
have
Incorporated
the
following.
One
was
figuring
out
how
to
do
the
subdivision,
so
we
made
that
subdivision
part
of
a
condition
to
the
development.
If
that
doesn't
happen,
the
project
can't
go
forward.
It's
a
condition
to
development.
W
We
were
asked
to
include
a
playground
interior
to
the
project
and
that
will
come
up
in
a
second
about
having
exterior
parking
on
on
the
outside
I'll
address
that
a
moment,
we're
asked
to
include
a
nature
trail
along
the
lower
perimeter
of
the
property.
We
did
that
we
asked
for
future
connectivity
to
Mr
Rooney's
concern
about
looking
towards
the
future
we're
providing
connectivity
to
one
of
the
parcels.
We
tried
to
provide
it
on
both
sides,
but
the
property
is
deed,
restricted
on
that
side
to
not
have
any
connections
allowed.
W
So
again,
that's
one
of
those
difficult
things
you
see
in
the
info
project
dealing
with
those
realities
and
we're
asked
to
improve
The
Pedestrian
connectivity
again.
That
goes
to
to
our
middle,
addressing
the
mayor's
question
about
having
rear
load
townhomes
and
having
the
garages
in
the
back.
That's
their
preference
for
this
kind
of
project.
We
tried
every
which
way
to
do
it,
but
we
were
also
being
asked
a
couple
things
at
the
same
time
preserve
the
existing
trees
that
are
there,
particularly
in
the
Northwest.
W
W
That's
in
synonymous
to
itself,
in
terms
of
your
specific
question
of
who
would
see
these
front
loaded
garages,
that's
going
to
be
the
residents
of
this
community.
So,
if
they're
coming
into
the
community
they're
coming
in
with
their
eyes
wide
open
as
to
as
to
what
it's
going
to
look
and
feel
like
with
that
I'll
conclude
my
presentation
and
open
up
to
any
questions
you
may
have
of
me
or
our
planning
staff.
A
We
have
are
there
any
other
questions?
U
I
will
ask
one
question
real
quick.
It
was
hard
for
me
to
tell
on
the
site
plans
that
we've
been
given.
I
cannot
zoom.
In
far
enough,
it
almost
looks
like
it
sounds
like
there
was
concern
about
sidewalks
on
that
entry
Street
on
both
sides
and
had
you
been
multi-family,
had
been
10
feet
since
you're
single
families
five
feet.
Did
you
all
look
at
doing
five
feet
on
both
sides?
U
W
It
I'm
not
sure
that
we
did
and
I
can
invite
Daniel
Hyatt
up
to
address
that,
and
maybe
as
simple
as
keeping
an
appropriate
service
down
for
for
that
kind
of
lesser
used.
Pedestrian
connectivity
as
opposed
to
the
interior
part
where
folks
are
more
likely
to
use
them
every
day.
W
X
Y
Thank
you
for
the
question.
The
entryway
is
a
challenge.
This
is
a
an
extension
of
Woodland
Drive,
but
the
right-of-way
is
very
narrow.
It
actually
Narrows,
where
it
intersects
our
parcel
and
the
geometry,
making
the
left
hand
turn
and
then
the
back
the
right
hand
turn
meeting
the
horizontal
requirements
in
the
vertical
requirements,
as
it
relates
to
the
side,
slope,
grading
and
that
sort
of
thing
an
additional
sidewalk
would
be
challenging
at
best.
U
A
Okay,
we
are
going
to
do
the
we're
going
to
open
the
public
hearing.
We
have
a
number
of
people
signed
up
to
speak
under
this
item
and
for
each
speaker
you
will
have
three
minutes
to
speak.
The
light
on
the
lectern
I'll
be
green
and
then
it
will
be
orange
and
then
it
will
be
red
and
it
will
beep,
and
that
means
stop.
A
But
as
I
just
said
that
the
first
Speaker
Carol
Meyer
has
a
number
of
people
who
are
seating,
their
time,
Georgia
deal
Jules,
Smith,
Kathy,
Nichols
and
Sharon
Sumrall
and
so
Carol
wherever
you
are.
You
will
have
10
minutes
to
speak
on
behalf
of
that
group.
S
First,
the
comp
plan,
as
you
well
know,
calls
for
more
affordable
housing,
but
both
home
ownership
and
Rental
housing.
None
of
the
proposed
units
are
actually
designated
for
home
ownership
or
for
sale.
The
developers
originally
proposed
all
rental
units
for
20
years,
when
Planning
and
Zoning
actually
voted
six
to
one
against
this
proposal
in
July
developers
immediately
requested
the
continuance
during
which
they
replotted
the
parcel
to
allow
for
sale
of
individual
units.
S
There's
no
and
there's
no
requirement
for
the
developers
to
sell
any
of
the
units
and
given
their
original
proposal
of
rental
for
20
years,
we
assumed
that
these
will
be
rental
units
for
20
years.
The
most
essential
need
in
Asheville
is
actually
for
efficiency
in
one
bedroom,
apartments
or
units.
None
of
these
proposed
units
are
single
fan
or
a
single
bedroom
or
efficiencies
they're,
all
two
and
three
bedroom.
S
How
many
of
these
72
units
are
actually
affordable?
Well,
news
to
us
tonight.
Actually,
seven
of
them
are
affordable,
designated
as
affordable,
but
only
four
of
these
will
accept
vouchers,
so
how
many
of
the
remaining
65
units
are
actually
affordable?
Affordable
is
defined.
Let
me
advance
the
slide.
Sorry.
S
Affordable
is
defined
as
a
as
equal
to
or
less
than
30
percent
of
Asheville's
Ami
for
a
family
of
four,
which
is
72
500
a
year.
Do
the
math
and
affordable
and
Asheville
means
about
eighteen
hundred
dollars
per
month
for
rental,
including
utilities.
S
The
current
low
ball
market
prices
for
two
and
three
bedroom
houses
for
give
the
typo
down
here
in
the
corner
of
one
and
two
that's
actually
two
and
three
bedroom
units
is
eighteen
hundred
and
twenty
two
hundred
per
month,
add
to
this
150
per
month
for
Utilities
in
the
two
bedroom
units
are
only
affordable
for
those
having
incomes
over
78
000
a
year,
and
the
three
bedroom
units
will
only
be
affordable
for
those
with
incomes.
Over
about
eighty
four
thousand
dollars
a
year.
S
Emphasizes
the
need
to
provide
affordable
housing
to
a
wide
range
of
income
levels?
The
intention
here
is
not
to
set
the
low
end
of
that
range
at
seventy,
eight
thousand
or
eighty
four
thousand
dollars
a
year.
The
Sulfur
Springs
neighborhood
of
West
Asheville
is
already
renowned
as
among
the
most
affordable
in
the
city,
we're
mostly
low
in
Middle
income
or
retired
people
who
couldn't
afford
to
rent
these
units.
Even
if.
S
And
to
appreciate
living
in
a
traditional
walkable,
socio-economically
diverse
neighborhood,
with
a
rural,
suburban
field,
that's
already
affordable
to
a
wide
range
of
income
levels.
All
the
this
Woodland
planning
is
going
to
do
is
gentrify
our
neighborhood,
while
adding
almost
no
affordable
housing.
S
The
second
inconsistency
is
that
the
comp
plan
calls
for
making
neighborhoods
more
walkable
and
bikeable,
whereas
the
Woodland
plan
will
make
our
neighborhood
less
safe
for
walking
and
biking.
This
is
due
to
significantly
increased
traffic
on
narrow
streets
in
the
neighborhood,
with
sharp,
curves
and
steep
hills,
reducing
visibility
without
any
sidewalks
curbs
or
guard
rails.
B
S
The
third
inconsistency
relates
to
our
goal
of
making
Asheville
a
more
Transit
supportive
City
by
encouraging
developmental
long
Transit
corridors
and
supporting
higher
levels
of
multimodal
trips
to
us
developmental
long
Transit
corridors
means
that
you
can
access
those
corridors
directly
from
the
development,
but
the
Woodland
plan
is
not
on
a
Transit
Corridor.
It's
an
orphan
parcel
that
provides
no
safe,
walkable
or
bicycle
bikeable.
Access
to
that
nearest
bus,
stop
on
Patton
Ave
by
the
DMV
and
the
nearest
bus.
S
S
The
fourth
inconsistency
relates
to
the
goal
of
promoting
green
infrastructure
working
in
harmony
with
nature.
We
want
to
manage
storm
water
using
natural
assets
rather
than
directing
runoff
into
City
storm
sewer
systems
and
incorporate
natural
Design
Elements
like
trees
to
capture
rain
water
and
ensure
new
development
has
the
appropriate
infrastructure
to
support
it.
But
the
Woodland
plan
proposes
no
green
storm
water
infrastructure,
although
it's
compliant
with
applicable
ordinances.
S
The
plan
is
not
compliant
with
the
intention
of
the
comprehensive
development
plan
in
this
area
because
it
directs
all
of
the
storm
water,
as
you've
heard
into
catch
basins,
with
pipes
delivering
all
that
runoff
directly
into
the
city's
stewards
storm
sewer
system.
It
makes
an
estimated
40
percent
of
the
parcel
3.5
Acres
newly
impervious,
and
it
proposes
to
remove
over
90
mature
trees,
almost
all
of
the
trees
on
the
parcel
which
currently
absorb
much
of
the
storm
water
on
this
rather
steeply
sloped
parcel.
S
Thus,
the
comp
plan
calls
for
neighborhood
compatible
infill
housing
that
respects
and
enhances
the
neighborhood's
character,
has
good
architecture
in
Urban
Design
and
limits
infill
housing
in
medium
density,
neighborhoods
like
ours
to
single
family,
detached
homes,
accessory
Apartments,
duplexes
and
small
scale
multi-family
units.
We
know
that
the
comp
plan
specifically
excludes
larger
scale.
Mental
complexes
like
the
Woodland
72
unit,
complex
from
the
kinds
of
diverse
infill,
considered
compatible
with
traditional
neighborhoods.
S
Whereas
the
Woodland
plan
will
worsen
traffic
congestion
and
an
already
serious
safety
issues,
there's
only
one
entrance
exit
to
the
proposed
development
and
two
roads
leading
to
and
from
that
entrance.
The
first
is
Woodland
Avenue
already
dangerously
unsafe,
because
it's
barely
two
lanes
wide
allows.
Unstreet
parking
has
no
sidewalks
gutters
or
guard
rails,
joins
High
Alta
at
a
T-Type
intersection,
just
above
a
90
degree
curve
where
Woodland
looks
more
like
a
driveway
than
a
road.
Woodland
ends
at
a
hairpin
turn
onto
Old
Haywood
Road
from
hayata.
S
S
No
one
can
see
oncoming
traffic
at
the
90
degree
curve,
just
above
The
Hairpin
turn
most
Vehicles
can't
make
that
hairpin
turn
onto
Woodland
without
veering
into
the
oncoming
traffic
lane,
and
they
can't
make
it
at
all
when
vehicles
are
approaching
or
waiting
at
the
Woodland
stop
sign,
adding
over
100
more
neighborhood
vehicles.
To
this
already
unsafe,
intersection
is
simply
a
serious
accident
waiting
to
happen
and
actually
a
primary
reason
why
most
neighbors
are
horrified
at
the
thought
of
approving
large-scale
development
without
any
direct
access
to
Major
Transit.
S
S
Presentation,
thank
you.
Paula
pointed
to
all
of
the
six
ways
that
it's
inconsistent,
so
I
was
just
drawing
conclusions
and
elaborating
on
how
the
exit
from
the
Woodland
along
Woodland
Avenue
is,
is
unsafe
and
also
the
other
two
ways
to
get
at
the
pay-per-view
intersection
or
the
North
I'm.
A
A
AA
A
Do
your
you
know:
jazz
hands,
I'm
in
agreement
all
right,
the
next
person
signed
up
to
speak
is
Liz
and
I.
Think
it's.
Thank
you.
What
sure,
if.
AB
That
was
an
N
or
you
hi.
Everybody.
Thank
you
for
hearing
me
today.
I'm
Liza,
blue
I,
live
adjacent
to
the
proposed
development,
and
I
can
see
it
very
clearly
from
my
house
from
my
backyard.
I
have
a
wonderful
view
of
this
very
pastoral
Hill
that
children
like
to
sled
down
in
the
winter,
because
it's
a
very
Steep
Hill,
it's
great
for
sledding
and
I,
just
wanted
to
re-emphasize.
AB
Well,
that's
a
redundant
but
emphasize
that
this
development
I
feel
so
much
progress
in
this
room
and
forward
thinking
and
just
so
much
positive
energy
and
I
feel
like
this.
Development
is
not
Progressive
at
all.
It
is
not
serving.
Those
of
us
who
live
and
work
in
Asheville
I
would
love
to
be
able
to
leave
my
neighborhood
and
move
somewhere
else,
because
my
view
is
gone,
but
I
can't
afford
to
move
anywhere
else
in
this
town.
I'm,
a
public
school
teacher.
AB
AB
I
walk
back
on
Woodland
Drive
back
in
that
neighborhood.
All
the
time
with
my
dog
and
I
cannot
fathom
how
150
more
cars
are
going
to
possibly
be
able
to
utilize
those
streets.
It's
I
mean
it
just
it
doesn't
even
compute
in
my
brain
there's
no
way
it's
too
much.
This
kind
of
development
is
not
right.
For
that
parcel
somewhere
else
is
great
and
I
understand.
We
need
more
options
and
we
need.
We
need
more
dense
development,
but
this
isn't
the
place
for
it.
It's
it's
not
sustainable.
AB
We
have
a
creek
that
runs
through
that
land.
It's
going
to
destroy
the
creek.
It's
going
to
destroy
so
much
of
the
nature.
That's
there
already
and
we
can
do
better.
Yes,
I
knew
that
that
land
was
going
to
sell
it's
a
beautiful
parcel.
I
knew
it
was
going
to
sell
I
knew
it
was
going
to
get
developed,
but
this
is
Extreme,
so
I
I
just
hope
that
you'll
take
that
into
consideration
when
you're
making
your
decision.
Thank
you
so
much.
A
Dick
okay
yeah
there
we
go
David
Moritz.
AC
Hello
city
council,
thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
speak.
AC
AC
If
not
here,
where
are
we
planning
to
build
the
housing
that
we're
needing
and
I
have
never
once
been
to
an
occasion
for
an
approval
of
a
project
that
didn't
have
major
opposition,
so
I'm
questioning
where
we're
really
going
to
build
housing?
If
not
here
to
me,
the
project
looks
good
I
know,
there's
some
comments
about
the
garage,
the
housing
this
this
project.
AC
At
the
end
of
a
dead
end
street,
so
no
one
who
doesn't
want
to
is
going
to
go
in
there
and
I'd
like
to
basically
not
just
use
my
words
but
use
the
words
in
the
citizens
Times
article
that
was
published
yesterday.
The
city
is
undergoing
a
study
to
look
at
missing
middle
housing.
If
this
is
not
metal,
housing
I,
don't
know
what
is
I'm,
not
really
sure
what
this
report's
going
to
do,
but
it's
not
going
to
be
completed
or
implemented
or
anything
until
the
end
of
2024..
AC
The
other
thing
this
this
article
says
is
that
of
all
the
residential
zoning
we
have.
Two-Thirds
of
it
is
single
family
zoning.
That
means
two-thirds
of
the
residential
zoning
in
the
city
is
single
family
housing
and
quoted
one
of
your
staff.
Member
says
that
that
type
of
zoning
has
a
history
and
discrimination
it
was
put
in
place
so
that
rich
people
could
live
in
single-family
homes,
away
from
people
who
wanted
to
live
in
multi-family
who
couldn't
afford
single-family
homes
and
I
sit
here
today.
AC
Seeing
that
we're
going
to
be
consistently
doing
that
again
and
again,
if
you're
a
rich
person
in
Asheville
right
now,
you
can
buy
a
lot.
You
can
build
a
house
and
you
see
it
all
the
time.
If
you're
you
don't
have
the
means,
there's
very
limited
options
for
you
to
choose
from
and
I
can
tell
you
from
experience.
I've
built
single
fan,
I'm,
building,
single
family
project
in
West
Asheville
and
the
cost
to
build
a
home.
AC
Now
is
the
same
as
we
were
selling
it
a
few
years
ago,
so
the
cost
I
mean
getting
anybody
to
build
something.
Now
you
should
be
thankful
for,
because
we're
going
to
have
even
more
of
an
issue.
The
other
thing
in
this
report,
or
in
this
article
I
mean
to
quote
your
project
manager,
vaidel
satvika,
who
hopefully
pronounce
his
name
properly.
He
says
it
needs
to
be
zoning
change
and
that's
that's
true.
AC
J
Hi,
thank
you.
I'm
a
neighbor
across
the
street
from
the
development
and
I'm
opposed
to
the
rezoning
for
this
project
at
this
location,
starting
with
the
most
personal
reason,
I'm
concerned
that
the
developer
has
not
provided
a
rendering
of
what
the
development
will
look
like
from
the
perspective
of
mine
and
my
neighbor's
homes
on
Oakcrest
place,
which
face
the
back
side
of
the
units
from
a
larger
neighborhood
perspective.
J
My
biggest
concern
is
the
traffic
impact,
especially
on
Woodland
Drive
I,
walk,
Jog
and
bike
in
the
neighborhood
every
day,
as
do
many
folks,
including
kids,
who
play
and
ride
bikes
outside.
This
is
in
spite
of
the
fact
that
most
of
the
area
doesn't
have
sidewalks
and
many
streets,
including
Woodland
Drive,
are
essentially
one
lane
roads
due
to
parked
cars
along
the
street.
For
me,
the
walkability
of
the
neighborhood
is
its
most
important
feature
in
terms
of
quality
of
life.
J
The
addition
of
more
than
100
new
vehicles,
making
daily
commutes
would
threaten
the
safety
of
walking,
biking,
kids,
playing
and
even
driving
in
the
neighborhood,
especially
on
Woodland
Drive,
which
is
the
only
way
in
and
out
it's
the
way
to
access.
Patton
Avenue
and,
as
mentioned
there's
a
hairpin
turn
with
limited
visibility.
That's
already
dangerous
without
added
traffic.
J
I
realized
that,
if
done
thoughtfully
and
strategically
that
infill
can
actually
increase
walkability
in
neighborhoods,
but
that's
only
the
case
where
there
are
shops,
workplaces,
Parks,
schools
and
bus
stops
close
enough
to
walk
to
with
features
like
sidewalks
and
pedestrian
Crossings
to
safely
get
there.
None
of
those
things
exist
in
this
location.
J
Future
residents
will
be
entirely
car
dependent
because
the
location
and
design
of
the
development
does
not
allow
for
other
Transportation
options.
It's
a
car-centric
design,
no
bike
lanes
and,
as
mentioned,
there's
no
safe
route
to
walk
to
the
nearest
bus.
Stop
the
one
you
mentioned,
that's
three
quarters
of
a
mile
away.
It's
there's.
J
To
get
there,
I've
tried
the
as
in
terms
of
what
the
houses
do
contribute.
It
is
more
housing,
but
it's
mostly
rental
units
that
will
not
be
designated
affordable.
It's
not
near
Parks,
it's
not
near
Transit,
and
for
those
reasons
it
does
not
contribute
to
the
city's
stated
goals
for
the
kind
of
growth
that
will
best
serve
the
citizens
of
Asheville
in
their
future,
and
there
are
other
Parcels
within
our
neighborhood
where
development
is
happening
that
are
better
supported
by
the
infrastructure.
J
There's
still
going
to
be
some
traffic
issues,
but
at
least
these
other
Parcels
are
located
where
they're
suitable,
Road
access
in
and
out,
unlike
at
Woodland
Drive,
we
know
the
city
needs
housing.
We
know
increased
density
in
appropriate
locations
is
not
a
bad
thing,
but
in
terms
of
this
project,
unless
the
city
and
the
developers
are
willing
to
make
considerable
investments
in
the
surrounding
neighborhood,
if
the
infrastructure
was
there,
the
sidewalks
The
Pedestrian
Crossings
to
make
this
suitable
and
safe.
J
P
Good
evening,
I'm
Jared
Wheatley
Builder
here
in
Asheville
and
I'm
speaking
in
support
of
the
project
and
the
conditional
zoning.
What
I'd
like
to
speak
to
is
just
the
difficulty
of
construction
and
actually
developing
this
property.
So
you
approve
this
and
that's
excellent
as
far
as
I'm
concerned
for
housing,
because
I
have
two
beautiful
young
kids
who
grow
up
and
face
the
same
issues
with
visibility,
people
parking
on
the
street
fast
moving
traffic
and
lack
of
visibility
right
in
Montford.
P
You
might
have
heard
of
that
neighborhood,
it's
desirable
and
doesn't
lack
value,
but
has
all
those
same
issues.
So
one
of
the
other
challenges
these
gentlemen
are
going
to
face
trying
to
build.
This
is
the
cost
of
construction.
It's
very
difficult
right
now
to
understand
what
inflation
is
going
to
do.
Many
smart
people
are
trying
to
figure
it
out
and
are
having
a
hard
time
to
understand
that
additionally,
labor
is
constrained
skilled
labor.
We
have
a
skilled,
labor
shortage
in
Asheville
and
in
many
other
places
in
the
country.
P
These
are
all
challenges
that
these
folks
are
facing:
to
bring
housing
Supply
to
Asheville
and
they're
doing
that,
under
the
condition
that
we're
also
critiquing
them
about
sidewalks
on
the
roads
that
they
don't
control,
you
know,
and
that
is
a
difficult
situation
for
them
to
be
in,
and
so
like
was
brought
up
previously,
with
a
housing
crisis
upon
us
and
affordability.
A
major
issue,
I
think
what
we're
seeing
from
developers
in
general
right
now
is
hopes
that
their
creativity,
When
approaching
constraints
such
as
topography.
You
know
we
live
in
the
mountains.
P
This
isn't
the
plains,
so
finding
sites
that
are
buildable
is
very
difficult.
Finding
sites
that
have
the
right,
geotechnical
reports
to
allow
for
them
to
be
utilized
in
a
dense
manner
is
difficult,
and
even
though
it
may
seem
simple,
like
just
finding
puzzle
pieces
that
fit
together
when
you're,
reviewing
Zillow
or
whatever,
to
find
this
land,
this
land
is
very
difficult,
and
these
people
have
spent
their
life
and
competency
building
to
a
moment
where
they
can
try
to
bring
housing
supply
to
the
market.
P
You
know
it's
hard,
sometimes
as
a
person
who
struggles
with
housing,
myself.
I'd
love
to
say
that
I've
got
it
really
easy
and
I,
don't
yet
that
that
diverse
housing,
whether
that
be
Town,
Homes
apartments,
that
Supply
is
the
only
thing
that
puts
downward
pressure
on
affordability
and
the
cost
of
housing
here
in
Asheville,
because
without
Supply
the
demand
is
is
going
to
continue
to
grow.
I
think
recently
has
shown
that
we
have
more
remote
workers
working
in
Asheville
than
the
average
city
in
the
United
States.
A
AD
So
it's
actually
illegal
to
use
a
legal
name.
Yeah,
it's
illegal,
to
use
a
legal
name,
so
you
need
a
bar
card
to
use
a
legal
name.
AD
AD
That's
the
topic
we're
on
show
the
Woodland
Drive,
it's
sort
of,
like
imagine,
there's
one
apple
at
the
top
of
the
tree
and
you
want
to
cut
the
whole
tree
down
to
get
that
one
apple
and
it
wasn't
even
a
good
one.
You
just
had
a
chainsaw
decided
to
start
cutting
down
a
bunch
of
trees,
get
paid
for
it
and
money
people
starving
just
people
starving
in
the
world
and
paying
to
cut
down
trees,
kind
of
self-defeating
so
yeah.
So
it's
illegal
to
use
a
legal
name.
B
Means
that
you.
AD
Know
any
further,
you
know
any
type
of
signing
anything
involving
a
signature,
a
Signet
signature,
yeah,
that's
fraud,
now,
knowingly
with
intent
after
the
fact.
Okay.
AD
Else
about
this
project.
Well,
there's
no
I've
sold
three
dead
squirrels
on
the
road
and
thank.
A
Maggie
I
have
sheets
one
two,
three
and
five,
but
I
don't
have
a
four
okay.
Okay,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
is
the
last
person
signed
up
to
speak
under
this
item.
A
So
at
this
point
we
if
there
are
other
questions
for
will
our
planner
like
the
weather,
is
over
there
or
the
applicant
we
otherwise
I'll
need
a
motion
on
this.
I
I
will
just
share
somebody's
having
phone
issues,
but
you
know
this
is
a
one
of
these
one
of
these
proposals.
A
That's
extremely
challenging
for,
for
me,
I
mean
personally
for
me
sitting
here
in
this
seat,
I
think
over
and
over
again
the
easiest
thing
to
do
would
be
to
vote
no
on
these
because
it's
it
would
be
the
popular
thing
to
do,
and
there's
not
really
any
backlash
for
doing
that,
but
this
Council
has
been
really
struggling
with
how
to
address
affordable
housing
in
our
community.
We've
been
doing
that
for
several
years
now
and
we
we
I,
think
we're.
A
Now
all
experts
I
mean
we've
been
to
every
seminar
we've
had
or
heard
every
speaker,
we've
read
every
report.
You
know
we.
We
have
studied
other
cities.
We
have
been
a
role
model
City
in
how
we
approach
this.
We
have
head-on
challenge
with
the
issues
around
our
topography
and
preserving
what
makes
Asheville
Beautiful
by,
but
with
balancing
the
need
for
for
housing
I.
You
know,
I'm
I'm
I
know
one
of
the
speakers
that
spoke
tonight.
I
bought
a
home
from
Mountain
housing
opportunities
and
I
can
remember.
A
The
first
hard
vote
I
ever
had
to
make
on
this.
Council
in
2009
was
for
the
Larchmont
project
behind
the
post
office
on
Merriman
Avenue,
which
was
a
mountain
housing
opportunities
project,
and
there
were
a
lot
of
speakers
speaking
against
it.
It
was
right
by
my
neighborhood
right
by
my
mom's
house
and
people
came
and
they
said
we
don't
want
that
kind
of
housing
in
our
neighborhood.
It
doesn't
fit
our
neighborhood.
We
don't
want
the
traffic
that
we're
going
to
see
in
that
neighborhood.
It's
there's
just
too
much
traffic
already
well.
A
It
will
be
terrible
and
I'm
paraphrasing,
but
we
never
got
one
single
complaint
about
that
project
after
it
was
built.
A
They're,
kids,
there's
older
adults
and
it
all
the
things
that
people
said
about
it
never
came
to
pass.
Is
this
project
perfect?
Absolutely
not
my
biggest
objection
to
a
project
like
this
is
that
it's
a
Suburban
style
project.
You
have
to
drive
into
it
and
it's
you
know
it's
one
of
these.
A
It's
not
blended
into
a
neighborhood
in
any
coherent
way,
I
mean
that's
a
challenge.
You've
got
these
infill
sites,
it
is
close
to
a
grocery
store.
It
is
close
to
a
school,
it's
close
to
my
husband's
school.
He
teaches
at
Inca
high
school.
We
heard
from
a
teacher
tonight.
I
can
imagine
teachers
living
there,
but
it
is
it
isn't
a
perfect
design.
It
is
not
easily
walkable
right
to
a
bus
stop.
A
B
B
A
A
That
was
probably
the
only
reason.
So
you
know
I
I,
don't
want
anyone
to
think
that
I'm
supporting
this
project,
because
I
think
it's
the
most
amazing
thing
I've
ever
seen.
But
I
was
just
in
this
neighborhood
in
a
key
ceremony
for
handing
over
keys
to
new
new
neighbors
that
are
going
to
be
living
in
affordable
housing,
not
too
far
from
there
there's
no
sidewalk
in
front
of
their
house.
A
There's
no
bike
lane
in
and
out
of
there
I
hope
there
is
one
day.
I
hope
there
is
for
everybody,
but
but
I
have
a
concern
overall,
that
if
we
aren't
brave
enough
to
say
yes
when
these
projects
come
forward,
even
in
the
face
of
a
lot
of
opposition,
we
will
stymie
our
city
and
we
will
stymie
the
opportunity
for
the
future
of
our
city
so
and
I'm
not
too
emotional
over
this
I'm
actually
kind
of
I
need
to
drink
water,
but
so
so
I'm,
sorry
to
disappoint
you.
A
If
I,
when
I
vote
Yes
for
this
project,
but
plastic
band
people
you're
going
to
be
really
happy
when
I
vote
Yes
for
your
your
project,
so
balance
is
a
challenge.
Balance
is
a
challenge
and
I
I
recognize
that
I'm
not
making
everybody
happy
but
I
hope.
At
least
my
reasoning
is
coherent
and
might
make
sense
to
somebody
I
don't
know.
If
anybody
else
has
a
question,
comment
or
emotion
themselves,
foreign.
E
I
like
to
make
a
motion
to
approve
the
conditional
zoning
request
for
the
properties
located
at
154
and
999.99
Woodland
Drive
from
residential
multi-family,
medium
density,
rem8
to
residential
expansion,
conditional
Zone
and
I
find
that
the
request
is
reasonable
is
in
the
public
interest.
It's
consistent
with
the
city's
comprehensive
plan
and
meets
the
development
needs
of
the
community
in
that
request,
prioritizes
great
density
of
development
overall
throughout
the
city
as
it
as
appropriate,
and
two
increases
the
housing
Supply
in
existing
residential
neighborhood
at
a
greater
density
and
diversity
in
the
building
type
and
number
three.
AE
Have
a
motion-
a
second
mayor.
Excuse
me
before
we
move
to
a
vote
I
believe
there
was
an
offer
made
by
the
developer
to
actually
add
some
vehicle
charging
stations
which
was
not
included
in
the
original
plan.
So
if
we
want
to
include
that
it
would
need
to
be
part
of
the
motion.
A
U
Yes,
my
second
holds
I
do
want
to
say
a
couple
things
before
we
just
do.
A
group
vote
and
I
really
want
to
appreciate
what
you
said
mayor,
because
you
were
able
to
say
much
more
eloquently
a
lot
of
the
things.
I
was
thinking
and
feeling
and
I'm
a
little
taken
back
by
the
opposition
to
this
project.
I
think
it's
just
because
I
I
see
so
clearly
the
dire
need
for
housing
and
for
all
the
different
types
of
housing.
I,
don't
see
a
lot
of
town
homes
or
even
condos
in
this
community.
U
They
are
entry,
point
home
ownership
opportunities.
It
does
sound
like
this
will
have
some
rental
components.
It
will
not
forever
perhaps,
but
when
we
have
this
much
of
a
crisis
going
on
I
I
really
struggle
to
to
hear
folks
say
you
know:
I
walk
my
dog
over
there,
because
I
think
hundreds
of
people
need
to
live
here
as
well.
We
have
a
crisis,
and
maybe
it's
just
because
I've
been
helping
friends
move
all
month
and
I
feel
it
and
they're
struggling
to
get
rent
and
they're
upset
and
they
can't
find
anything.
Affordable.
U
I
understand
that
Supply
is
absolutely
necessary
in
this
situation.
It's
not
a
perfect
project,
it's
also
not
a
horrible
project
and
they
could
have
come
to
us
and
said
we
want
to
build
a
five-story
conditional,
Zone
apartment
of
300
units
and
I.
Think
the
neighborhood
would
be
a
lot
more
upset
and
that's
why
we
call
this
the
missing
middle,
because
it
is
a
step
towards
greater
density,
but
not
in
that
enormous
way.
U
So
I
am
supportive
of
this
project
and
I'm
concerned.
When
I
see
his
fight
projects
left
and
right
and
we
need
housing
so
badly.
A
Okay
and
I'm
gonna
bring
all
those
in
favor.
Please
say:
aye.
A
Thank
you
if
we
could
take
a
quick
break
and
let
the
transition
occur
here
for
those
who
want
to
remain
I.
A
Folks,
what
we're
just
waiting
for
councilwoman,
Kilgore,
so
Council,
if
you're
in
agreement,
what
what
I'd
propose
given
the
number
of
people
signed
up
to
speak
after
we
heard
the
staff
presentation
on
this-
is
that
we
have
speakers
speak
for
two
minutes
rather
than
three,
so
we
can
get
through
everybody.
A
A
So
welcome
back
to
the
city
council
meeting,
we
are
now
under
new
business
under
plastic
regulation
and
for
our
TV
viewers.
If
you
can't
see,
we
now
have
a
lot
of
green
wearing
people
and
including
our
own
Bridget
Herring,
who
is
here
to
make
the
presentation
on
the
proposed
plastic
reduction
ordinance.
AF
AF
So,
as
I
mentioned,
we
recognize
that
pollution
from
plastic
is
happening
in
our
Rivers.
It's
clogging
up
our
storm
water
drains
and
impacting
our
ability
to
provide
core
service
through
that
program,
but
this
is
a
new
area
of
priority
if
Council
gives
us
that
direction
tonight
and
so
I
think
that's
a
good
thing
to
to
acknowledge
and
and
support
and
be
open
about.
Taking
that
step.
AF
It
made
the
following
recommendations
to
extend
the
implementation
timeline
to
have
significantly
more
analysis
on
the
impact
to
our
vulnerable
groups,
more
robust
stakeholder
engagement
that
is
unbiased
and
comprehensive,
and
then,
finally,
to
also
look
at
alternatives
to
a
full
bag
band
after
this
was
concluded.
Our
Communications
Department
also
took
this
analysis
and
this
recommendation
and
identified
groups
that
we
would
like
to
get
additional
input
from
both
in
the
commercial
sector.
Our
consumer
sector,
as
well
as
some
of
our
service
organizations,.
AF
So
again,
we
are
recommending
a
phased
approach
so
phase
one
aligning
with
your
current
strategic
priority
to
improve
and
expand
core
Services
by
updating
chapter
15
of
the
city
code
to
prohibit
plastic
bags
from
Curbside
Leaf
litter
collection.
This
is
estimated
to
avoid
about
a
hundred
and
twenty
thousand
single-use
plastic
bags
from
the
landfill
annually
and
then
in
phase
two
to
to
recognize
the
great
work.
AF
AF
AF
Staff
would
take
the
remainder
of
the
year
to
do
some
internal
engagement
focused
on
really
understanding
the
impact
to
our
operations
and
identify
who's
missing
from
the
conversation,
and
then
we
would
come
back
to
you
in
December
for
with
a
phase
one,
which
is
an
update
to
chapter
15,
which
would
prohibit
plastic
bags
from
Curbside
leaf
collection.
So
just
want
to
reiterate
that
there
would
be
action
taken
in
this
year
to
reduce
the
pollution
and
the
use
of
single-use
plastics
and
then
in
January.
AF
AF
We
don't
know
what
that
will
look
like,
because
we
need
to
get
the
input
back
and
see
who's
missing
from
the
conversation
to
design
what
those
strategies
are
going
to
look
like.
But
after
that's
conducted
analyze
the
results
and
then
utilize
that
to
inform
any
recommendation
that
we
brought
back,
which
we
anticipate
to
be
about
a
year.
From
now.
AF
E
For
you,
I
have
a
question:
could
you
go
back
a
slide
and
I
was
trying
to
right
here
where
you
said
that
in
February,
2023
you're
going
to
launch
the
public
input
survey
and
it
remains
over
for
30
days
right
and
then
March
23rd
for
six
months,
you're
going
to
review
and
refine
the
engagement,
and
you
said
at
that
time
you
identify
gaps
and
develop
focus
groups.
So
those
focus
groups
when
you
do
the
survey.
E
How
do
you
I'm
quite
sure,
questions
from
that
focus
group
may
actually
come
up
that
may
need
to
be
on
the
public
survey.
Does
that
make
sense?
Because
if
you're
gonna,
if
you're
gonna
identify
the
gaps
and
develop
focus
groups
for
the
engagement
strategy,
they
will
come
up
with
things
that
maybe
could
actually
should
be
on
the
actual
public.
E
T
E
Yeah,
because,
if
that's
what
you're
doing
there,
that's
what
I'm
concerned
about
because
to
me
the
the
the
focus
group,
basically
is
supposed
to
bring
a
lot
of
insight
that
may
have
been
over.
You
know
looked
during
the
process,
so
I'm
just
wondering
some
kind
of
way
that
survey
and
you
do
the
survey
before
you
see
what
actually
are
some
issues
that
focus
groups
May
or
concerns
they
may
have
so.
AF
So
I
think
that's
that's
definitely
possible.
The
intention
behind
what
we
laid
out
is
to
utilize
the
survey
that
plastic
free
wnc
did
our
Equity
analysis,
our
public
input
platform
to
develop
what
that
is,
and
then
the
focus
groups
is
more
to
bring
in
the
voices
that
aren't
heard
so
and
ask
similar
questions
to
make
sure
that
that
feedback's
captured,
but
not
through
that
traditional
method.
AF
AF
Department
and
our
Communications
Department
have
sat
down
and
kind
of
outlined.
Some
of
the
groups
that
we've
talked
to
plastic
free
wnc
had
has
done
an
initial
survey
that
has
some
good
starting
points.
That
I
think
we
want
to
add
to,
and
so
I
think
we
need
to
start
start
there
and
do
some
additional
conversations,
probably
to
inform
that
public
service.
AG
AF
M
Okay,
any
other
I
just
wanted
to
say.
Thank
you.
I
know
that
one
of
the
things
that
I've
been
asked
about
and
I've
asked
staff
about
is
why
can't
we
narrow
the
timeline?
M
Do
you
need
more
support
and
what
I
heard
was
that
the
resource
that
we
are
missing
is
time,
and
so,
when
I
look
at
the
climate
Justice
initiative,
which
is
when
we
say
we're
going
to
do
things
with
Equity,
we
need
to
listen
to
the
people,
most
impacted
and
I
just
wanted
to
for
anyone
who's
in
the
audience
today
or
for
the
public.
Look
at
flooding,
landslides,
wildfires,
food
security,
housing.
Of
course,
water
quality
is
going
to
be
a
serious
issue.
M
We
can't
do
that
either
so
I'm
supportive
of
the
longer
timeline,
even
and
thank
you
for
narrowing
it,
where
you
could
but
I
heard
at
the
front
that
we
were
going
to
have
to
potentially
delay
the
climate
Justice
initiative
to
get
this
done
and
I
think
that
that
just
needs
an
extra
attention
in
our
community
who
are
still
pushing
you
to
go
faster.
But
we
we
don't
have
enough
time
to
take
seriously
all
the
very
serious
issues
of
climate
Justice
and
push
this
faster.
M
AF
A
Okay,
so
so
normally
what
we
would
need
is
a
motion
and
a
second
before
we
start
taking
public
comment,
but
I'm
glad
to
do
it.
Reverse
it
doesn't
really
matter.
Unless
someone
wants.
A
AE
U
Okay,
so
I'll
move
to
revised
chapter
15
of
the
city
code
to
prohibit
plastic
bags
for
curbside
Leaf
litter
collection
in
phase
one
second,
okay
and
I'll
move
to
direct
staff
to
work
to
further
address
public
input
on
regulation
of
plastic
bags
at
point
of
sale
and
expanded,
polyestering
disposable,
foodware
products
in
phase
two.
Second,.
A
Okay,
we
have
two
motions
and
a
second,
so
the
first
was
on
the
leaf
bags
and
the
second
was
on
moving
this
process
forward,
as
presented
here
today
and
just
spoiler
alert
I'm.
A
Think
a
lot
of
folks
on
Council,
if
not
all,
are
supportive,
so
it
just
you
know,
set
the
tone
for
for
what's
to
come.
So
with
that
in
mind,
we
we,
you
know,
maybe
it's
more
of
a
celebratory
and
collaborative,
but
but
I
would
be
personally
interested.
A
I,
don't
know
what
everyone
has
planned
to
say,
but
you
know
I
know
there
are
a
lot
of
different
ways
to
do
this:
to
implement
it,
and
I've
visited
a
lot
of
different
communities
that
have
done
it
in
different
ways.
I'd
be
kind
of
curious
what
people
think
about
their
preference
in
terms
of
Effectiveness
around
the
different
models.
A
That's
just
me
personally,
so
the
first
person
signed
up
to
speak
and
again
we're
going
to
two
minutes:
Maggie's
ready,
she's
gonna,
be
doing
the
clock
and
watch
your
lights,
and
you
saw
what
happens
when
you
go
over.
It's
all
like
completely
awkward.
So
don't
do
that
and
you're
you're
doing
your
your
jazz
bands,
so
so
the
first
person
and
the
first
person
to
speak
is
Anna
also
Brooke
and
on
Deck
is
Jane
laping
or
laping
or
lapping
leaping.
Thank
you.
AH
Good
evening
y'all,
my
name
is
Anna
also
Brook
I
work
at
Mount,
true
and
I'm,
a
part
of
the
plastic
free,
wnc
Coalition.
If
y'all
are
here
for
plastic
reduction,
will
you
stand
up
real
fast.
AH
Don't
know
if
we
arrival
of
the
pickleball
people,
but
we've
got
to
be
close
I'd
like
to
start
by
saying
we
we
appreciate
all
the
work.
Y'all
have
been
done
that
y'all
have
done
with
us.
We
know
we're
not
an
easy
group
to
work
with
necessarily
but
Hartwell
actually
presented
Plastics
as
an
issue
to
Stacy
about
three
years
ago,
and
there
was
General
support
then,
but
there
wasn't
a
ton
of
enthusiasm
to
push
it
forward,
so
we
re-strategized,
and
we
decided
to
come
back
with
a
package
of
everything.
AH
Council-
would
maybe
need
to
pass
this
easily
and
that's
what
we've
come
back
with
today.
We've
done
the
research
we've
looked
at
the
ordinances
that
are
over
500
at
this
point
across
the
country,
we've
picked
the
best
practices
that
make
sense
for
Asheville
we've
taken
data
water
sample
data,
we've
we've
done
the
Outreach
we've
talked
to
businesses,
we've
done
Equity
Outreach,
so
I
feel,
like
we've,
put
a
ton
of
extensive
and
really
an
intentional
time
to
present
y'all
with
what
you
have
seen
so
far.
AH
I
understand
that
city,
the
city
wants
to
do
its
own
Outreach
and
its
own
engagement
and
put
its
own
stamp
on
that
and
I
agree
with
that.
I
do
think
we're
a
little
bit
more
Nimble
than
maybe
City
bureau
or
ciels
and
I
would
encourage
you
all
to
use
us
to
the
best
of
your
abilities
to
push
that
a
little
bit
more
quickly.
AH
We'd
really
like
to
see
this
come
up
for
a
vote
before
the
end
of
the
year,
if
possible,
and
while
it's
important
to
be
really
thorough
with
this
public
engagement
piece,
what
we're
asking
for
is
not
novel.
We
have
seen
over
500
places
across
the
country
Implement
these
types
of
books-
oh,
that
was
best
bands
and
anyway,
thank
you
for
your
time.
We
want
less
plastic
and
thanks
for
listening.
AI
AI
AI
A
new
not
yet
opened
shell
Pennsylvania
petrochemicals
complex
covers
880
Acres
right
next
to
them
it
will
refine
natural
gas
from
a
thousand
fracking
Wells
to
make
plastic
on
a
community
level.
A
bigger
concern
to
the
500
people
who
live
and
work
in
Potter
Township
is
the
air
they
breathe
every
day.
It
will
be
polluted
by
volatile
organic
compounds,
particulate
matter
and
other
hazardous
air
pollutants,
all
of
which
can
have
health
effects
in
Asheville.
We
are
not
directly
affected
by
pollution
from
plastic
plants.
A
You
Hartwell
Carson
and
then
Linda
foreign.
AJ
Talking
to
you
about
Plastics,
and
particularly
the
staff
really
want
to
thank
Bridget
too
for
and
just
for
being
willing
to
work
with
us
you're
going
to
hear
a
lot
about
why
this
important
I
think
you've
heard
that
from
me
already
so
I'm
going
to
kind
of
leave
that
on
the
table
for
now
and
leave
it
for
others
to
say
I
guess
my
only
point
would
be
I
totally
understand
the
need
to
do
additional
Outreach
and
we
support
that
I
kind
of
want
to
Echo
Anna's
sentiments
I.
Think
we
can.
AJ
We
can
do
it
pretty
fast
and
pretty
efficient
and
get
the
get.
The
answers
we
need
I.
Think
Bridget
has
made
a
good
point,
which
is
we
don't
know
what
we
don't
know.
So
if
we
need
a
year,
let's
take
a
year,
but
if
we
can
do
it
quicker
than
a
year
and
we
can
do
it
using
some
of
the
resources
that
are
already
in
our
community.
One
of
our
original,
our
original
business
survey,
was
done
by
leadership.
Ashland,
so
that
was
a
professionally
done.
AJ
Independent
survey
done
by
experts
for
free,
and
so
that's
a
good
example
of
some
of
the
resources
that
I
hope
we
can
leverage
to
to
do
this
faster
because
each
year
we
wait
we're
producing
another
60
million
plastic
bags.
Just
in
the
city
of
Asheville,
that's
going
into
our
waste
Stream
So
I
do
really
appreciate
your
support
and
and
I
look
forward
to,
hopefully
coming
back
sooner
than
a
year
to
to
cheer
the
passage
of
this
song
Thank.
AL
Good
evening
and
thank
you
for
hearing
me,
I'm
Linda,
tattzball,
I'm,
a
resident
of
Buncombe
County,
but
a
patron
of
many
Asheville
businesses
and
I
was
part
of
the
leadership
Asheville
group
that
joined
the
plastic,
free,
wnc
task,
force,
I'm
sure
you're,
all
familiar
with
leadership.
Asheville.
One
of
the
big
points
is
we
do
a
project
and
our
our
small
group
wanted
to
focus
on
climate
change
and
we
joined
this
group
and
our
primary
tasks
became
running.
That
survey.
I
want
to
say
to
you,
I,
I,
agree
and
understand.
AL
You
want
to
make
sure
you
have
plenty
of
information.
I
feel
like
this
survey,
along
with
a
lot
of
the
other
information
that
the
rest
of
the
task
force
gain
is
a
lot
already
and
want
to
make
sure
that
that
you
all
understand
this
survey
was
put
together
with
the
help
of
a
one
of
our
group.
Members
was
Buncombe,
County,
Health,
Department
employee
who
does
surveys.
She
explained
to
me
that
we
were
incorporating
the
standard
instrument.
Development
approaches
that
she
always
did.
AL
We
had
two
attorneys
and
one
sustainability
director
of
a
company
we
were
able
to
reach
64
businesses.
We
went
through
the
Asheville
Chamber
of
Commerce,
so
everybody
in
Nashville
Chamber
of
Commerce,
was
able
to
reach
back
to
us
if
they
wish
to.
We
had
a
list
of
black
owned
businesses
and
we
reached
out
to
them.
AL
We
developed
a
Spanish
language
version,
I'm,
not
sure
how
many
folks
responded
to
that,
but
we
wanted
to
make
sure
we're
reaching
out
to
a
wide
variety
of
businesses
and
overwhelmingly
they
were
in
favor
of
the
Plastics
ban
and
as
well
as
a
styrofoam
band
and
plastic
food
container
van,
so
I
feel
like
it's
a
solid
survey
just
wanted
to
let
you
know
that
was
that
was
our
group
doing
that
for
our
piece
for
the
plastic
free
wnc
and
ask
you
to
consider
to
push
up
that
timeline.
Thank
you.
AL
B
AM
AM
That's
how
many
single-use
plastic
bags
Asheville
residents
and
tourists
will
use
this
year
alone,
given
it
takes
roughly
a
thousand
years
for
a
plastic
bag
to
break
down
the
impact
of
just
one
year
in
delaying
the
implementation
of
the
proposed
ordinance
is
devastating.
Earth
Fare
is
strongly
in
favor
of
acting
quickly
to
pass.
This
proposed
ordinance
to
ban
Styrofoam
in
single
plastic,
single-use
plastic
bags
and
Grocery
and
retail
stores,
so
much
so
in
fact,
that
Earth
Fare
banned
these
bags
in
our
stores
nationwide
10
years
or
excuse
me
in
2010,
which
is
12
years
ago.
AM
So
we
as
a
retailer
have
been
doing
this
for
12
years
when
we
first
brought
up
the
idea
of
eliminating
plastic
bags
in
our
stores.
There
were
some
internally
who
were
worried
about
the
impact
of
the
change
on
consumers.
The
same
concerns
that
many
of
you
here
may
share
today,
it
turns
out.
We
didn't
have
to
worry
at
all.
The
change
was
welcomed
with
open
arms,
and
we
heard
from
countless
Shoppers
across
the
country
how
thrilled
they
were
to
ease
this
transition.
We
gave
out
reusable
bags
at
community
events.
AM
Increased
options
at
the
registers
absorbed
any
additional
costs
of
eliminating
plastic
bags,
rather
than
passing
it
to
our
Shoppers
and
made
boxes
available
for
free.
Since
we've
done
this,
we've
seen
a
decrease
in
the
use
of
paper
bags.
As
more
and
more
of
our
Shoppers
rely
on
reusable
bags
or
more
sustainable
options.
We
are
far
from
the
only
retailer
to
make
this
move:
Trader,
Joe's,
Whole,
Foods,
Aldi's,
they've,
all
eliminated
plastic
bags
and
other
National
retailers,
including
Target
Kroger,
Dick's,
Sporting,
Goods,
CVS
and
Walgreens
have
all
implemented
plans
to
eliminate
plastic
in
their
stores.
AM
Q
AN
Hi
I'm
Lisa
Raleigh
I'm,
the
executive
director
of
riverlink,
and
really
appreciate
y'all's
consideration
around
this.
As
many
of
you
know,
riverlink
has
a
almost
35-year
Legacy
and
commitment
to
promoting
both
the
environmental
and
economic
Vitality,
the
French
Broad
River
and
the
Watershed,
and
the
recent
French
Broad
River
partnership.
You
know
indicating
that
economic
Vitality
at
3.8
billion
dollars
is
it's
an
extraordinary
resource
and
it's
under
a
lot
of
pressure
and
you
guys
have
been
at
meetings.
AN
Thank
you
so
much
for
your
leadership
and
advocacy
around
a
lot
of
the
water
quality
issues
facing
the
French
Broad
River
and
the
recent
impairment
and
the
huge
complexities
behind
those
problems
that
are
very
dependent
on
sediment
and
fecal
coliform,
and
so
many
partners
and
players
to
unravel
that
this
initiative
is
such
low-hanging,
fruit
and
so
straightforward
and
done
in
communities
throughout
the
United.
States
I
come
from
a
small
community
in
Colorado
that
passed
this
years
ago.
It's
a
way
of
life
in
over
500
communities
and
they
all
take
the
equity
piece
hugely
into
consideration.
AN
AN
That's
pretty
straightforward
in
the
scheme
of
things,
so
I
really
appreciate
your
consideration
around
this
I
hugely
appreciate
your
partnership
and
advocacy
on
the
rest
of
the
water
quality
issues
on
the
Watershed
and
really
ask
you
to
lead
by
example
on
this
one,
because
it's
one
of
the
easier
ones
for
sure.
Thank
you.
A
All
right,
poncho,
vermico
and
then
Ani
Johnson.
AK
In
my
way,
here,
I
was
thinking
how
I
can
scare
them
to
vote
in
favor
of
banning
the
plastic
bags.
Only
look
like
I
don't
need
to
scare
you
with
with
data.
So
it's
good,
so
my
my
role
in
in
the
Coalition
was
to
reach
a
lot
of
the
latinist
community
in
espanol.
So
I
was
in
different
trailer
parks.
Talking
with
different
people
from
Weaverville,
Arden,
Keller,
Black,
Mountain
and
I,
don't
find
anyone
then
say
then
they
need
plastic
bags.
AK
AK
Only
keep
our
water
clean
is
is
even
more
important
than
it
comes
and
I
think
and
and
I
feel
then
I
was
I
was
coming
here
and
I
read
something
in
in
the
news
then
happened
three
years
three
three
days
ago,
and
they
say
then
they
find
microplastics
in
breast
milk,
like
it's
like
this
crazy
and
I'm.
Very
happy,
then,
you
are
in
approving
buying
the
plastic
bags
only.
We
have
to
do
more
and
I
hope
that
this
is
the
first
step
of
medicine.
AK
We're
gonna
take
that
we
have
to
take
to
make
better
or
or
more
and
or
Siri
and
I.
I
hope
that
you
don't
think
that
we
are
a
lot
of
activists
because
I
even
consider
myself
an
activist
I,
consider
myself.
Somebody
didn't
care
about
this
place,
because
bank
is
my
home.
The
same
thing
many
other
latinx
people
live
here.
So
thank
you.
AO
AO
AO
A
You,
after
can
frame
it,
will
be
Bill
Maloney.
Z
Z
We've
reached
out
to
11
different
Equity
Group
organizations,
gotten
positive
feedback
from
them.
We've
reached
out
to
all
members
of
the
Chamber
of
Commerce.
The
international
Independent
Restaurant
Association
has
been
reached
out
to
they're
both
the
board
voters
unanimously
to
support
this.
It's
there.
We
don't
have
to
reinvent
the
wheel.
I
recognize
it's
unusual
to
have
an
outside
group
of
citizens.
Do
the
work
instead
of
City
staff,
our
city
staff
is
overworked.
They've
got
many
things
they
need
to
work
with.
This
is
not
something
we
need
to
be
postponing.
Z
We
need
to
get
on
with
it
and
do
it
and
stop
putting
more
plastic
bags
in
the
landfill
and
the
river
and
our
gutters
on
our
streets.
It's
an
easy
thing
to
do.
It's
been
done.
We
don't
need
my
guess.
Is
we've
done
more
Outreach
than
you
do
for
any
other
ordinance?
For
this
thing
it's
been
done.
We
don't
have
to
redo
it
all.
Let's
move
forward,
we
needed
a
lengthy
time
to
implement
this
once
you
approve
it.
Z
We
need
six
to
nine
months
for
businesses
to
work
their
way
through
existing
inventories
to
adjust
for
new
things.
You've
got
time
during
that
period
to
do
any
additional
input
or
adjust
it.
If
something
comes
up,
we
need
to
move
forward
and
do
this
before
the
end
of
the
year
time.
We
just
too
many
other
things.
As
Lisa
pointed
out.
We
need
to
be
working
on
and
using
our
valuable
staff
time
for
instead
of
Reinventing
the
wheel.
When
it's
been
done,
it's
nothing
new.
It's
there.
It's
worked
everybody.
Z
A
You
thank
you
Phil
Maloney
and
then
Jeff
Jones.
I
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak.
My
name
is
Bill
Maloney
I'm
part
of
the
blue
Horizons
project
and
a
member
of
The
Care
creation
team
at
St
Eugene
a
few
years
ago.
You
all
really
took
a
step
when
you
put
seven
million
watts
of
power
on
45
sites,
with
solar
panels
all
over
the
county
and
City,
and
congratulations
for
that.
We
need
the
same
effort
toward
these
bags.
This
is
something
that's
a
convenience
that
we
can
really
live
without
and.
I
Be
trained
to
carry
reusable
bags
to
grocery
after
I've
carried
groceries
to
the
car
three
or
four
times
and
forgotten
them.
They
had
cost
the
environment
on.
This
thing
is
just
too
high
and
you've
heard
all
the
numbers,
but
you
know
like
100
million
bags
a
year,
12
million
barrels
of
oil
to
manufacture
them,
87
percent
get
thrown
on
roadways
and
in
the
ocean.
Noah
has
studied
this
thing
and
found
the
Great
Pacific
Garbage
Patch
that
7.7
million
square
miles
of
trash
floating
around
of
plastics
and
microplastics
out
in
the
ocean
enough
of
the
science.
I
The
bottom
line
is.
This
is
really
a
health
issue,
a
climate
issue,
an
environmental
issue
microplastics
end
up
in
and
can
kill
sea
and
land
animals
and
microplastics
ultimately
end
up
in
me,
and
you
so
plastic
bags
today
is
where
climate
change
was
years
ago.
It's
unseen,
it's
unheard
of,
and
it's
like.
What's
the
big
deal,
but
last
week
the
big
deal
was
when
climate
change
stuck
its
head
up
with
hurricane
Ian
and
I.
I
Don't
want
to
wait
around
for
what's
going
to
happen
in
the
future,
with
some
bad
stuff
with
plastics,
so
is,
as
Kenneth
said
in
his
heart
well
said
in
others,
and
the
other
person
had
presented
we're
ready
to
go.
It's
been
studied
in
other
cities.
Places
in
town,
businesses
are
ready
for
you
to
step
behind
and
just
say:
do
it
I'd
encourage
you
to
move
as
fast
as
you
could?
Thank
you
very
much.
I
AE
K
Okay,
good
evening
this
evening,
I
come
to
read
a
letter
from
Randy
Talley
and
Roger
Darrow.
They
are
the
co-owners
co-owners
of
Green
Sage
Cafe.
They
cannot
be
here.
They
just
tested
positive
for
covet,
so
I'm
reading
a
letter
from
them.
Dear
City,
Council
Members
as
co-owners
of
Green
Sage
Cafe.
We
are
writing
to
urge
you
to
pass
the
plastic
ban
and
styrofoam
container
band
tonight.
K
We
understand
that
City
staff
would
like
more
time
to
research
this
issue,
but
with
5
million
plastic
bags
being
given
out
each
month
in
Asheville,
it's
time
to
act
and
urge
city
council
to
proceed
with
this
band.
Now
we
think
that
the
community
is
generally
excited
for
Asheville
to
take
the
lead
in
North
Carolina,
in
this
important
first
step
to
con
to
eliminate
as
much
single-use
plastic
as
possible.
K
Green
Sage
Cafe
opened
in
2008
with
a
strong
commitment
to
sustainability.
We
embraced
the
practices
of
the
Green
Restaurant
Association
that
require
eliminating
styrofoam
containers
as
the
first
step
towards
certification.
We
helped
lead
20
air
restaurants
to
certification
and
establish
Asheville
as
America's
first
green
dining
destination.
K
From
our
experience
at
Earth
Fare,
we
learned
that
a
small
fee
for
paper
bags
or
a
small
discount
for
bringing
in
reusable
bags
or
beneficial
reminders
to
help
customers
bring
in
their
reusable
bags.
We
believe
that
most
people
are
aware
of
the
problems
that
plastic
pollution
poses
to
the
environment,
and
we
want
to
see
their
Community
leadership.
Take
action
now
to
help
steer
consumers
in
the
right
direction
as
for
styrofoam,
since
it
can't
be
reused
or
recycled
and
doesn't
biodegrade,
it
makes
good
sense
to
ban
its
use
in
food
establishments.
K
AP
Hi
I'm
Terry
Scholl,
thank
you
for
having
us
here
tonight,
as
you
can
tell
there's
a
lot
of
enthusiasm
in
our
group.
Here,
we've
been
working
four
years
in
Outreach
and
getting
information,
so
we've
reached
a
broad
spectrum
of
the
Asheville
area
and
to
quote
our
mayor
tonight,
be
brave,
don't
let
this
thing
drag
on
for
another
year.
Please
help
save
our
community.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
AQ
AQ
News
did
a
thing
that
the
Kroger
stores
in
Richmond
Virginia
are
are
starting
a
band
one
store
first
and
then
they're
going
to
expand
it
to
others,
and
so
I
think
it's
a
no-brainer
like
everybody
said
it's
already
being
done
in
500
locations
and
I.
Don't
think
we
need
to
reinvent
the
wheel
and
study
and
study
and
study
things
to
death.
I
think
we
just
need
to
get
done.
AQ
AH
AR
Hello
Council,
my
name
is
Mike
McCarty
I
serve
as
Vice
chair
of
Asheville
Independent,
Restaurant,
Association
I'm,
also
co-owner
of
the
Lobster
Trap
restaurant
in
town,
air
has
approximately
150
members
and
together
we
stand
in
support
of
the
ban
on
single-use
plastic
bags
at
the
point
of
sale
in
all
businesses
under
your
jurisdiction,
and
we
hope
that
this
is
done
without
delay.
AR
AS
AS
Most
folks
have
said
what
I
wanted
to
say
tonight.
So,
in
view
of
your
pioneering
female
Spirits
I,
ask
you
to
be
brave,
be
bold,
creative,
don't
be
afraid
to
step
up
this
timeline
a
little
bit
like
you've
heard
others
say
we're
not
Reinventing
the
wheel
here,
there's
low
hanging
fruit.
If
we
want
to
improve
our
local
environment
as
fast
as
we
can,
we
can't
take
a
year
or
two
for
every
new
initiative.
We
need
to
get
these
things
moving,
and
this
one
will
be
easy.
AS
There's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
public
support
for
it.
I
think
you'll
see
in
the
next
round
of
voting
the
implicit
approval
of
your
prompt
handling
of
this
matter,
getting
it
settled
and
moving
on
to
the
next
one.
You
know
there
are
so
many
of
these
environmental
challenges
in
front
of
us.
Thank
you.
AT
AT
Good
to
see
you
I'm
Judy
Maddox
I'm,
chair
of
our
Western
North
Carolina,
Sierra
Club.
We
are
part
of
the
Coalition
who
has
done
this
Outreach,
who
has
helped
to
create
the
ordinance
who
has
reached
to
the
community
and
to
businesses
and
I
want
to
share
with
you
that
we
have
3
000
signatures
saying
please
support
this
ban,
single-use
plastic
bags
styrofoam
and
please
do
it
by
the
end
of
the
year.
Please
speed
up
this
timeline
timeline.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
X
Hello,
my
name
is
Josh
Sabika
I'm,
a
volunteer
for
Sierra
Club,
and
a
scientist
at
Mission.
Hospital
Asheville
is
a
beautiful
place.
Previously
I've
lived
in
places
where
there
have
been
plastic
and
styrofoam
backbands
and
there's
been
very
minimal
impact
to
a
big
business
and
small
business
and
the
community's
been
much
much
better
for
it.
Our
streets
have
been
cleaner
and
there's
just
been
a
small
lifestyle
change
with
that
being
said,
we
don't
have
time
to
waste.
So
if
we
can
push
this
forward
as
quickly
as
possible,
it
would
be
much
appreciated.
B
A
AU
Hi
everyone,
it's
nice
to
see
you
it's
my
first
time
to
city
council.
Although
I've
lived
in
Asheville
for
10
years,
I
came
to
Asheville
on
purpose.
My
husband
and
I
chose
it.
He
has
a
financial
firm
that
focuses
on
environmental
and
sustainably
responsible,
investing
and
I'm
a
scientist
and
I
teach
at
lenoir-rhyne,
University
and
I
teach
science
for
sustainability,
I'm
a
microbiologist,
a
molecular
geneticist
by
training
and
I've,
been
into
all
the
oceans
of
the
world
seriously
doing
my
research
and
there's
plastic
in
all
of
them.
AU
AU
In
a
year
last
night
I
was
watching
a
Disney
film
called
Tomorrowland,
and
it's
to
help
kids
understand
that
all
the
Bleak
things
that
they
see
on
TV
isn't
the
end-all
that
one
person
can
make
a
difference,
and
maybe
we
can
make
a
really
positive
future.
The
first
time
I
traveled
out
of
Oklahoma
as
a
little
kid
I
went
to
Washington,
DC
and
I
saw
recycling,
containers,
recycling,
they
can
put
cans
and
they
get
reused.
They
can
put
jars
and
they
get
reused.
AU
They
don't
go
in
the
burn
barrel
that
we
use
behind
our
house
and
get
burnt
up
to
go
into
the
sky.
I
realize
a
plastic
bag
band
will
affect
all
the
tourists
that
come
to
Asheville
they'll
be
like.
Oh,
they
don't
use
plastic
bags
here.
They
use
something
else.
Every
child,
every
adult
that
comes
to
Asheville,
will
see
that.
Do
it
now.
K
R
Joshua
Martin
I'm
20-year
resident
of
Asheville
founder
and
current
board
member
of
the
East
West
Asheville
neighborhood
association,
though
I'm,
not
speaking
in
that
capacity
tonight,
just
as
an
individual
I'm
here
in
support
of
the
plastic
bag
ban,
along
with
the
paper
bag
fee
and
and
the
styrofoam
ban,
and
also
an
accelerated
timeline
in
my
day,
job
I
am
the
director
of
something
called
the
environmental
paper
Network,
which
is
a
150
non-profit
organizations
worldwide
that
are
working
on
social
and
environmental
Improvement
in
Pulp
and
Paper
industry
and
I'm
well
aware
of
the
the
impacts
of
paper,
production
and
disposable,
the
high
greenhouse
gas
emissions
and
the
costs
that
go
along
with
that
material
use
and
I'm
a
part
of
something
called
the
national
reuse
Network,
where
communities
across
the
country
are
tossing
around
ideas,
and
these
Solutions
and
I
agree
that,
like
we,
there
have
been
so
many
communities,
and
this
has
been
studied
to
death,
that
as
something
as
simple
as
a
plastic
bag
and
the
styrofoam
band.
R
R
How
do
we
make
Cutlery
take
out
on
demand
and
buy
request
only,
and
how
do
we
make
sure
that
we're
not
just
eliminating
the
plastic
bags
and
switching
everybody
over
to
using
paper
bags
and
and
creating
one
problem
from
eliminating
another,
so
I
support
moving
quickly
on
this
one,
with
all
the
evidence
that
we
have
that
it's
successful
and
using
the
year
to
study
a
more
comprehensive
waste
reduction
plan
that
looks
at
all
single-use
disposables
in
the
community.
Thank
you.
R
AV
He's
Anna
Knox
with
the
southern
environmental
Law
Center.
Thank
you
so
much
for
your
support
and
continued
engagement
on
this
issue.
It
really
means
a
lot
to
our
Coalition
and
the
citizens
of
Asheville
North
Carolina's,
Solid
Waste
Management
act,
mandates
that
municipalities
like
Asheville,
take
action
to
reduce
Solid
Waste
at
the
source.
Single-Use
plastic
bags
pose
a
unique
threat
to
our
environment,
to
Public
Health
and
to
the
city
and
County's
Solid
Waste
Management
operations,
ordinances
like
the
ones
proposed
here,
have
been
thoroughly
vetted
all
over
the
country.
They
work
to
reduce
Plastics
in
our
environment.
B
AW
Hello,
my
name
is
Ola
Farabee.
She
already
won,
but
I'm
a
senior
at
Asheville,
High,
School,
Annie
and
I
collected
over
300
signatures
on
a
petition
recently
in
support
of
this
plastic
bag
ban.
It
has
a
wide
range
of
community
outreach
just
within
us
collecting
samples
between
bunker
County
schools
and
Asheville
City
Schools
faculty
and
students.
AW
As
Ani
said,
60
million
more
plastic
bags
are
in
the
environment
every
single
year,
just
within
Asheville,
and
for
each
month
that
this
plastic
ban
ordinance
is
delayed.
It's
another
5
million,
more
plastic
bags
within
the
environment.
AW
We
don't
have
the
time
to
wait
on
this
and
I
understand
that
it
is
a
big,
important
step
in
order
to
implement
this
properly.
But
as
the
youth
we
don't
have
time.
This
is
our
reality
and,
as
the
climate
crisis
worsens,
that
just
becomes
more
and
more
apparent.
AW
So
100
of
these
samples
from
the
French
Broad
River
have
Micro,
sorry
have
microplastics
in
them
and,
as
someone
else
said,
we
get
roughly
a
credit
card
worth
of
plastic
in
our
bodies
each
week,
which
is
roughly
52
credit
cards
worth
of
plastic
in
our
body
a
year.
Thank
you
for
your
consideration.
Please
pass
the
span
by
the
end
of
the
year,
if
possible,.
AP
A
A
AG
AE
AG
AG
Work
of
loving
our
neighbor
without
loving
the
air
that
we
breathe
and
the
water
we
drink.
So
I
hope
that
we
can
help
you
do
this
important
climate
Justice
work
more
quickly
and
again.
I
am
deeply
deeply
grateful
for
your
time
and
for
your
concern
and
for
your
support.
So
thank
you
for
for
doing
all
that.
You
do.
Thank.
A
You
and
then
finally,
Drew
ball.
AX
My
name
is
Drew
Bowl,
with
the
Western
North
Carolina
Sierra
Club
I'm,
also
on
the
board
of
the
North
Carolina
Sierra
Club.
This
is
an
issue
that
I've
actually
worked
on
for
well
over
a
decade
and
it's
one
of
those
issues
where
the
more
you
learn
about
it,
the
security.
It
really
is,
you
know
we've
and
I
just
want
to.
Thank
you
all
for
taking
up
this
issue.
I,
don't
think
staff
for
taking
up
this
issue.
AX
You
know
we
hundreds
of
municipalities
across
the
country,
multiple
Estates
over
90
countries
have
taken
action
on
this,
and
so
the
United
States
is
really
behind
and
it's
actually,
this
issue
isn't
new
to
North
Carolina
back
in
2009
I
was
the
lobbyist
with
the
Sierra
Club
and
then
Senator
Josh
Stein
passed
a
bill
to
ban
plastic
bags
in
the
Outer
Banks,
and
it
was
wildly
popular
folks
loved
it.
Businesses
supported
it.
AX
They
took
pride
in
it
in
the
local
chamber,
chamber
of
commerce
supported
it,
and
then
it
was
until
2015
that
the
the
bill
was
actually
thrown
out
because
of
the
technicality.
It
was
a
local
bill
that
it
should
have
been
a
local
bill,
but
it
was
actually
written
as
a
Statewide
bill.
AX
So
I
guess
the
lead
lobbyist
I'll
take
the
blame
for
that,
but
it
was
wildly
popular
back
then,
and
had
it
not
been
for
that
technicality
that
still
would
be
on
the
books
and
it's
important
to
know
that
the
state
house
has
actually
passed
almost
unanimously
legislation.
The
past
two
sessions
to
take
action,
so
the
movement
is
there
I
appreciate
you
taking
the
time
to
do
this
for
taking
it
up
and
I,
encourage
you
all
to
act
quickly
and
appreciate
your
time.
Thank
you.
A
M
My
in
mailbox
is
so
full
my
text
messages
my
Instagram,
my
social
media
y'all
brought
it
I'm,
so
thankful
that
we
can
gather
together
like
this,
about
not
just
low
hanging
fruit,
but
something
that
impacts
our
air
and
water
I
had
the
opportunity
to
do
water
testing
with
Hartwell
and
it
one
of
the
things
that
really
hit
me
was
that
you
had
to
open
and
close
the
container
underwater,
because
there's
so
much
microplastics
in
our
air
to
get
an
accurate
sample
so
because
I've
seen
and
heard
so
much
about
the
importance
of
this
I
hope
that
when
we
get
to
those
farther
Out
Of
Reach
routes
that
we
can
keep
staying,
engaged,
I
know
this
took
a
lot
of
time
to
get
to
this
place
and
we
have
a
long
way
to
go.
U
I
just
want
to
say
a
quick
thank
you
to
the
committee
members
of
Stacy
I'm,
the
Stacy
liaison
and
I
didn't
know
until
tonight
that
it
had
come
before
Stacy
a
few
years
ago,
but
I'm
sure
glad
it
came
back
and
I
know.
Anna
priest
who
is
our
Stacy
chair
had
to
leave
early
before
she
could
speak
I'm
guessing
since
she's
a
new
mom
this
year.
She
had
to
make
it
home
for
bedtime,
but
I
just
wanted
to
acknowledge
Anna
as
the
chair
and
the
fact
that
she
didn't
get
to
make
her
comment.
C
C
When
I
see
estimates
that
says
to
me,
we
think
we
may
be
able
to
do
it
in
a
little
less
time
than
that.
The
one
thing
on
here
that
I
see
as
being
the
most
important
is
that
survey,
but
for
30
days,
I'm
wondering
if
we
could
utilize,
like
maybe
UNCA,
as
the
mayor
has
suggested
another
conversation
to
even
try
and
curtail
that
year,
a
little
bit
more.
U
U
AA
C
B
AF
I
would
say
unknown.
The
reason
that
we
use
30
days
for
the
survey
was
based
on
past
experiences
with
surveys
and
that
being
like
the
amount
of
time
when
you're,
still
getting
some
traction
potentially
and
again,
that
review
and
refinement
space
is
is
tough
because
it
really
depends
on
who's
missing
from
the
conversation
and
how
we
have
to
get
those
voices
to
the
table.
That's
what
takes
a
lot
of
capacity,
because
that's
a
lot
of
one-on-one
conversations
and.
A
I,
think
is:
is
there
a
way
to
collapse
the
leaf
the
leaf
bag
initiative
with
this
initiative,
and
just
can
we
just
you
know,
combine
them
so
so
to
you
know
not
with
I'm
just
we're.
M
AF
Correct
so
if
we
want
to
rearrange
like
to
put
this
piece
together,
we
it
took
effort
it's
taking
capacity
from
our
sanitation
department,
our
Communications
Department,
our
Equity
Department,
our
legal
department
and
sustainability.
So
we're
trying
to
juggle
the
work
that
we
have
on
our
plates
to
make
it
happen
and
I
think
we
don't
want
to
over
promise
and
under
deliver.
And
so
that's
where
we
came
to
with
this.
So.
A
Well
I
mean
so
I
mean
I.
Think
what
I
think
if,
if
the
council
is
saying,
thank
you
so
much
for
cutting
the
timeline
in
half
we'd
love
to
see,
and
if
it's
the
case
a
majority
would
love
to
see
it
move
even
faster
manager.
You
hear
us
say
that
so
we're
you
know,
our
job
isn't
to
you
know,
start
moving
Personnel
stuff
around.
That's
your
job,
so
you
know
to
if
you
guys
go
back
to
the
drawing
board
and
figure
out
ways
to
to
accelerate
I
do
think.
Generally
speaking,
this
community.
A
This
is
something
that'll
be
easier
to
do
than
than
other
things.
However,
I
know
that
one
major
Merchant
in
our
community
has
not
been
engaged
around
this
and
that's
Ingles,
and
that
is
a
that
is
to
me
that's
kind
of
the
big
nut
to
crack
in
terms
of
not
so
much
Ingles,
because
you
know
Ingles,
we
love
you,
but
they
they
can
be
challenging
around
whether
it's
our
lighting
ordinance
or
our
sidewalk
requirements
or
our
tree
planting
requirements
or
anyway,
whatever,
but
but
I'm
I'm
concerned
more
about
the
the
customers.
A
So
so,
but
but
and
I
just
say
that,
because
I
know
kind
of
what
hill
there
is
to
climb
with
this
one,
but
I
personally
would
love
to
see
it
accelerated,
I
I,
but
I'm.
You
know
again:
it's
we're
policy
making
body.
We
can't
micromanage
how
the
staff
is
allocated
we
can
set.
We
can
add
additional
funding
to
a
budget
if
it's
a
Personnel
issue,
but
so.
AF
If
I
can
just
add
two
additional
things,
I
think
the
support
we
heard
in
this
room
is
amazing,
and
what
we
also
heard
overwhelmingly
is
that
60
million
plastic
bags
are
being
used
every
year.
So
we've
got
some
work
to
do
in
terms
of
like
talking
to
people
right,
because
people
are
using
plastic
bags,
and
so
we
need
to
do
that
work.
AF
And,
secondly,
you
know
we
put
a
meeting
on
the
books
with
mountain
true
for
later
this
week
to
talk
about
how
they
can
help
us
get
the
word
out
on
this
engagement,
because
the
more
participation
we
get
in
the
survey,
the
more
we
close
that
Gap,
the
less
focused
groups
and
individualized
strategies
and
staff
capacity.
We
need
to
have
those
one-on-one
and
small
group
conversations
and
so
we're
utilizing
those
strategies,
but
I
do
think,
like
there's
some
work
to
do
in
our
community.
Well,
two.
M
Things
I
wondered
about
was
there's
a
lot
of
push
for
us
to
work
on
keeping
our
neighborhoods
clean
and
our
downtown
clean
and
when
I
visit
places
that
have
plastic
bands
they're
cleaner,
because
there's
less
plastic
and
less
trash.
So
I
wondered
if,
like
sanitation,
can
be
pulled
in
to
help.
But
the
other.
M
AF
I
think
we
also
don't
want
to
bring
forward
a
recommendation
that
at
the
11th
hour,
then
somebody
comes
out
and
has
a
serious
concern
that
we
haven't
heard
right.
I
think
we've
seen
that
with
other
ordinance
changes
as
well,
and
so
we
don't
want
to
get
hung
up
on
something
when
we're
so
close
to
the
finish
line.
So
all
of
that
goes
into
this
short
presentation
that
I.
Q
Can
appreciate
that
I
I
appreciate
I
mean
you
know,
know
it's
with
all
due
speed
kind
of
thing:
I
mean
I,
get
that
but
I'm
also
I
mean
one
reason
that
I
can
be
supportive
of
this
kind
of
timeline
is
Buncombe.
County
is
not
doing
this
folks.
Q
How
how
we're
just
gonna
try
to
implement
this
in
the
little
city
of
Asheville,
when
Buncombe
County
was
not
willing
to
go
along
with
any
kind
of
timeline
like
this
I
feel
like
it's
a
it's
a
good
effort,
and
somebody
has
to
start
but
gosh
I
would
have
sure
liked
to
have
seen
partnering
with
the
other
municipalities
in
Buncombe,
County
and
Buncombe
County
itself,
because
I
mean
yeah.
We
can
make
a
little
bit
of
a
difference,
but
you
know
people
visitors,
everybody.
Q
You
know
they
live
not
just
in
the
city
of
Asheville.
They
shop
not
just
in
the
city
of
Asheville
and
it's
terribly
disappointing
to
me
that
Buncombe
County
isn't
working
along
the
same
timeline
because
I
think
they
could
have
yeah
I
mean
that
really
would
have
helped
this
whole
initiative,
and
so,
if
this
hopefully
will
give
Buncombe
County,
apparently
time
to
partner
with
us
on
this
issue
and
I,
think
it's
going
to
be
a
lot
easier
to.
Q
U
This
I
get
that
I
have
a
question
for
you,
though
Bridget.
So
if
we're
going
to
do
a
public
input
survey,
and
then
you
know
six
months
of
analysis
and
stuff,
if
counsel
were
to
nod
tonight
that
there's
a
majority
support
for
banning
plastic
bags,
would
that
impact?
What
questions
are
on
your
survey
or
I
mean?
Would
the
questions
then
become?
How
can
we
help
you
implement
this.
AF
As
opposed
to
well
that's
an
addition
to
the
and
that's
something
I
think
one.
We
want
to
make
sure
we're
getting
demographic
information
when
we're
doing
this
survey,
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
getting
residents
as
well
as
the
business
community,
and
we
want
to
be
asking
questions
about
what
kind
of
what
does
support
look
like
in
that
transition
period.
U
B
AF
AF
Is
you
all
saying
that
you
want
staff
to
prioritize
this,
amongst
all
the
things
that
we
have
on
our
plate,
that
this
is
something
you
want
us
to
work
on,
and
so
I
just
want
to
reiterate
like
we're
not
starting
from
scratch,
we
we're
building
on
what's
happened
and
we're
moving
it
forward
and
that's
what
we're
asking
for
you
tonight
is.
Do
you
want
us
to
prioritize
that?
So
that's
when
you
make
the
vote
that
you're
going
to
make
if
it's
a
thumbs
up,
then
yes,
that's
the
direction
that
we're
going
to
go.
E
No
well,
the
only
thing
I
was
concerned
about
is
like
I
said,
because
it
makes
a
lot
of
sense
and
I've
heard.
You
know
a
lot
of
speakers
and
I
definitely
can
see
the
benefit
that
we
need
to
move
forward.
E
However,
I'm
just
concerned
about
no
one's
actually
addressed
the
elephant
in
the
room
like
Esther
sort
of
mentioned,
Eagles
and
and
I'm
concerned
about
we've
been
having
this
discussion
for
a
while,
but
yeah
it
seems
like
no
one's
has
any
kind
of
input
yet
from
Ingles
and
some
of
the
grocery
stores
and
and
the
impact
on
consumers.
I
had
heard
one
gentleman
talk
about,
basically
that
they
were
actually
had
programs
that
actually
would
sort
of
supplement.
E
You
know
cost
to
to
the
small
businesses
that
actually
implemented
these
programs
and
things
like
that.
So
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
where
we,
if
you're,
going
to
present
something
like
that
to
the
public
and
they'll,
have
concerns
too,
that
we
need
maybe
to
sort
of
have
some
answers
to
these
questions,
to
make
it
more
amenable
to
them
because
see
they're
still
going
to
have
the
same
questions
like
Esther
was
saying
the
impact
on
Ingles
and
grocery
stores
and
the
consumers
the
cost
involved.
AF
Again
I
would
say
this
is
where
you
all
direct
us
to
to
find
that
out
so
so
far,
this
has
just
been
a
request
that
came
to
go
to
the
sustainability
advisory
committee
and
hasn't
really
been
in
the
staff
realm
right.
We've
been
assisting
with
that
we've
been
meeting
with
mountain
true
and
facilitating
that
conversation
and
putting
some
work
into
it,
but
it
hasn't
been
identified
as
a
priority.
So
if
you
vote
for
that
tonight,
that's
the
kind
of
information
we
need
to
figure
out.
That's
the
due
diligence.
E
E
AF
AF
It's
understanding
the
different
distribution
streams
and
where
people
purchase
these
products
and
if
there's
a
difference
in
terms
of
the
cost
or
the
product
availability
like
how
easy
is
the
switch.
Yes,
those
are
all
things
that
we,
as
the
city
need
to
wrap
our
arms
around
a
little
bit
more
that
haven't
come
so.
U
U
T
There
are
lots
of
folks,
we
need
to
further
engage
period,
I
mean
we,
we
just
do
you
all
nine,
some
of
them
and
in
particular
about
them,
County
and-
and
we
need
the
time
I
think
you
heard
Bridget
say
you
know
our
motto
is
we
do
not
want
to
overstating
under
deliver.
We
just
we
can't.
We
can't
do
this
with
this
particular
issue.
I
heard
a
lot
about
there's
lots
of
other
cities
that
are
doing
it,
but
not
in
North
Carolina
and
there's
some
legal
issues
we
have
got
to
address
as
well.
T
We
just
need
we
need
the
time
we're
going
to
run
as
fast
as
we
can
run,
but
you
got
us
running
on
lots
of
parallel
things
with
with
lots
of
other
departments
that
have
to
be
involved,
and
all
that
we
are
saying
is
give
us
an
opportunity
to
just
start.
This
proposed
timeline.
If
we
can
accelerate,
we
will,
but
for
now
we
we
don't
want
to
promise
you
that
we
can
deliver
something
sooner
than
that
date,
but
we
will
do
our
best.
A
B
A
Opposed,
okay,
all
right,
so
we're
concluded
with
this
item.
We
we
you're,
welcome
to
stay
for
general
public
comment,
which
will
be
the
conclusion
of
our
meeting,
and
we
have
about
five
folks
signed
to
speak
or
I
will
pause
for
30
seconds.
While
you
make
your
quick
getaway.
A
Okay,
we've
got
five
folks
signed
up
to
speak,
wait
yeah.
AY
All
right,
all
in
favor,
say
aye
aye
any
opposed
for
the
audit
committee.
We
have
no
applications
received,
we're
going
to
re-advertise
homeless
initiative
advisory
committee.
The
committee
will
postpone
the
appointment
until
they
receive
more
a
recommendation
from
the
nominating
committee
human
relations
commission.
The
committee
recommends
the
appointment
of
Ellen
Catherine
and
Donald
post
can
I
get
a
second
second,
oh
right,
all
in
favor,
say
aye.
B
AY
Aye
any
opposed
I
write,
noise,
Advisory,
Board,
no
applications
received
we'll
re-advertise
public
art
and
cultural
commission
will
re-advertise
for
those
vacancies
as
well
and
last
but
not
least,
we
had
interviews
for
the
Alcoholic
Beverage,
Control
Board,
chair
position,
candidates,
Robin,
cape
and
Max
hayner
were
interviewed.
Both
were
very
thorough
interviews.
They
submitted
written
responses
to
questions
that
was
that
were
generated
by
Council,
and
then
we
had
a
live
interview
earlier
today.
AY
I
take
it
that
every
council
person
had
a
chance
to
look
at
that
playback
for
consideration
on
tonight,
but
the
committee
is
going
to
recommend
the
appointment
of
Robin.
Cape
can
I
get
a
second.
A
Man-
okay,
all
right,
yeah!
You
show
me
how
to
go
quickly.
All
right.
We
have
a
few
people
signed
up
to
speak
again,
three
minutes
for
each
speaker.
The
first
speaker
is
Nina
tovish.
AA
AA
This
will
give
us
a
really,
hopefully
very
large,
sample
of
information
from
people
who
have
actually
been
engaged
in
these
activities
over
a
period
of
10
years,
and
we
will
be
receiving
that
data
and
with
the
help
of
City
staff,
collating
it
analyzing
it
and
using
it
to
go
forward
in
basing
recommendations
for
how
to
approve
the
effectiveness,
the
efficiency
and
the
public
engagement
of
boards
and
commissions
just
wanted
to.
Let
you
know
that
we're
on.
B
A
Christina
dupak
well
all
right
Dave.
That
was
totally
wrong
to
push.
Do
push.
Thank
you
in
my
defenses
with
a
c.
But
yes,
it's
French.
AZ
Good
evening,
mayor
city,
council,
city
leaders
so
great
to
be
here
big
evening
so
again,
pickleball
right
so
again,
first
and
foremost
gratitude
gratitude
gratitude.
So
we
are
very
excited
to
continue
to
you.
Probably
some
of
you
know
this-
that
we
are
working
with
your
city,
parks
and
rec
department.
We've
had
one
meeting
with
the
Asheville
tennis
Association
and
you
know
there's
just
a
lot
of
reality.
AZ
We
all
have
needs
right,
but
we
are
at
the
table
and
we
are
very
grateful
as
we
are
having
those
conversations
and
as
the
tennis
Association
is
looking
at
what
their
needs
are
we're
looking
at
what
their
needs
are.
Something
has
really
kind
of
come
to
light
and
it's
it's
a
big
thing,
but
a
small
thing
but
I
think
tonight.
My
comments
are
about.
We
absolutely
are
clear
and
you
have
heard
us.
AZ
We
have
truly
felt
you
hearing
this
by
the
assignment
to
have
this
meeting
that
was
directed
by
the
parks
and
rec
with
Asheville,
tennis,
Association
and
us,
and
we
talk.
We
won't
dedicate
a
pickleball
courts.
One
of
the
things
we
I
really
want
you
to
understand
dedicated
pickleball
courts.
That
in
itself
is
an
expense,
and
we
are
humble
to
think
that
you
could
do
anything
about
that.
But
the
other
thing
is,
is
you
must
consider
Nets
and
that
maybe
saying
like
well,
of
course,
you're
going
to
have
an
answer
right
now.
AZ
I
would
like
to
just
remind
people:
tennis
doesn't
have
to
bring
their
Nets
to
the
court.
They're
up
soccer
players
do
not
have
to
bring
their
goals.
Basketball
players
do
not
have
to
bring
their
hoops
baseball.
Players
do
not
have
to
bring
their
bases
now.
You
may
think.
Well,
of
course,
not
I,
don't
know
if
you've
ever
went
and
bought
purchased
or
picked
up
a
pickleball
net.
It
is
heavy,
it
is
clunky
and
it
is
hard
to
deal
with.
AZ
There
are
a
great
we
have
a
great
pickleball
community
and
some
of
the
pickleball
players.
They
just
keep
their
Nets
in
their
car.
They
see
people
playing
they
just
do
it.
I,
don't
I
think
when
you
go
to
other
communities,
there's
all
kinds
of
systems
about
this.
Some
people
just
put
a
bunch
of
Nets
in
a
lock
box
and
the
community
just
kind
of
does
their
own
thing.
You
get
a
number
and
a
key
or
something,
and
you
just
open
it
up
as
a
citizen
and
put
it
back
other
places.
AZ
Have
these
really
cool
nets
that
you
roll
out
I've
seen
some
of
these
in
other
places,
all
this
is
an
expense,
and
so
what
I
would
say
is
as
we
are
negotiating
and
wherever
this
negotiation
falls
out
in
whatever
court
or
whatever
we
can
do.
What
I
would
just
say
to
you
as
city
council
members
and
especially
to
you
Deborah,
as
the
city
manager,
as
you're
thinking
about
cost
I
would
like-
and
this
is
something
I
have
really
learned
in
my
career
when
you
want
something
you
need
something
you
got
to
think
about
it.
AZ
All
the
way
through
and
I
would
say
that,
as
you
think
about
that,
you
know
you
don't
have
to
worry
about
paddles
because
I
said:
do
we
need
to
worry
about.
Paddles
do
I
need
to
say
anything
about
paddles
and
representing
the
community
and
they
say
no
we'll
bring
our
paddles
or
we
can
figure
that
out.
But
this
is
just
a
key
piece
and
I
think
that,
as
you
were
trying
to
help
us
I
think
we
were
going
to
take
responsibility
to
just
bring
the
light
I'm
not
trying
to
add
something
else.
AZ
But
I
think
when
we
talk
about
dedicated
pickleball
courts,
we
need
to
think
about.
How
are
you
going
to
provide
nets
for
people
to
play,
and
so
we
would
just
like
to
bring
that
to
your
attention
tonight
and
I.
Think
the
other
thing
and
I'll
be
sending
this
to
the
staff
at
The,
Parks
and
Rec
Department,
because
we
have
a
meeting
next
Wednesday
night.
One
thing
that's
come
to
light.
D
I'm
Bonnie,
Knox
and
I
live
in
Montford
I'm.
Originally
a
Texan
transplanted
to
Northern
New
Jersey,
where
I
was
a
English
teacher
in
the
largest
urban
public
high
school
in
New
Jersey,
my
husband
and
I
planned
our
retirement
dates
for
January
2020.,
which
happened
to
coincide
with
the
covet
pandemic.
Good
timing
right
we
had
visited
Asheville
many
times
because
our
oldest
daughter
had
moved
here
with
her
family
in
2014
and
we
love
the
city.
D
I
was
a
competitive
tennis
player
in
my
20s
30s
and
40s,
but
had
to
stop
because
of
health
issues,
and
my
demanding
job
in
Asheville,
I
started
playing
tennis
again
and
then
right
for
my
71st
birthday.
My
son-in-law's
mother
got
me
on
the
pickleball
court
and
I
have
been
basically
an
addict
for
you
know
about
a
year
and
a
few
months
now,
I'm
going
to
sound
like
a
Prevagen
commercial,
but
unlike
Robert,
Strat,
Carver
I,
don't
think
is
a
very
good
advocate
for
Prevagen.
D
I
do
have
a
lot
of
clear
advantages
to
playing
pickleball
number
one
I'm,
healthier
and
stronger
than
I've
been
in
years
number
two,
because
I
take
lessons
and
I
go
to
drill
clinics
and
I
love
to
learn
the
finer
points
of
the
game.
My
brain
is
always
challenged
and
it
is
sharper
for
it
and
I'm
very.
B
D
They're
not
too
many
of
my
pickleball
friends
out
there
because
I'm
not
the
best
score
gamer
in
the
world,
but
it
has
definitely
been
good
for
my
for
my
brain
best
of
all,
though,
are
the
friends
that
I've
made.
We
have
so
much
fun
playing
and
we
not
only
play
Pickleball
together.
Now
we
play
Canasta
and
we
go
out
to
lunch
and
we
even
have
some
girls
nights
out
parties.
It's
just
been
a
great
thing
for
my
social
life.
It's
moving
here.
My
pickleball
friends
are
my
closest
friends
Meanwhile.
D
My
other
daughter
and
her
family
moved
to
Asheville.
Our
three
families
live
just
within
walking
distance
of
each
other.
Are
all
my
grandchildren
go
to
public
Asheville,
City
Schools?
We
care
about
this
community.
We
are
very
much
invested
in
the
community.
My
husband
plays
tennis
three
times
a
week
at
Afton.
He
can
reserve
a
court
with
no
worries.
D
D
B
H
Hello,
thank
you
for
having
me
I'm
honored
to
be
here
and
I
have
concerns
dreams
and
passions,
and
my
concern
is
that
for
the
opiate
am
I
saying
it
right.
The
opiate
crisis
going
on
and
I
feel
like
the
things
that
I've
learned
and
the
things
I'm
certified
in
that
I
could
be
a
person
that
could
be
used
to
try
to
give
back
to
the
community
to
help
out
with
those
cases
and
I
have
a
real
passion
for
it
and
I
believe
that
I'm
no
better
than
them.
H
Because
people
look
at
me
and
think
that,
because
maybe
I
work
out
that
I'm
in
shape
but
which
I
am
maybe.
But
the
thing
is
I'm
just
like
them.
A
person
that
just
does
that
have
a
healthy
addiction
and
I
and
I.
Do
that
because
of
the
pain
that
I
carry
and
I
believe
that
they
do
the
they
do.
H
They
may
do
the
same
because
of
the
pain
that
they
carry
to
try
to
try
to
feel
free
and
I
also
have
dreams
to
want
to
be
able
to
go
inside
the
jails
and
share
my
story
and
Inspire
fathers
inside
of
there
to
maybe
get
on
the
right
track
and
I.
Think
that
because
I
think
I'll
be
a
perfect
impact
because
I've
been
through
the
fire
and
what
better
person
is
to
try
to
help
somebody
out
to
find
a
person
have
been
through
it.
H
You
know
and
I,
and
that's
my
passion,
my
dreams
and
and
I
came
here
to
let
y'all
know
that
and
maybe
y'all
can
have
the
power
to
maybe
put
me
in
the
place
to
do
that,
because
I
really
want
to
help
and
give
back
to
my
community,
because
at
one
time,
I
taught
out
my
community
by
selling
drugs
and
now
I
want
to
and
I
had
that
same
passion
and
want
to
give
back
to
try
to
help
out.
B
H
B
A
Chat
with
sage
for
a
minute
about
that,
okay,
so
we're
so
we
so
that
was
our
last
figure.
So
we
are.
We
are
adjourned
for
the
evening,
so
yeah,
okay!
So
thank
you.