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Special work session of the Asheville City Council.
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A
Okay,
welcome
everyone
to
the
Asheville
City
Works
session,
on
baseball
and
other
things.
We
are
going
to
be
talking
about
the
about
McCormick
field,
the
city
of
Asheville's
field
and
and
Council
just
so.
You
know
that
and
the
public.
This
is
a
work
session.
We
are
not
being
asked
to
take
a
vote
necessarily
at
the
end
of
this
meeting.
It
is
more
for
everyone's
information
and
then
you
know
whether
or
not
we
want
staff
to
continue
to
work
on.
B
Yes,
yes,
thank
you
so
good
evening
afternoon.
Whatever
time
it
is,
I
want
to
just
start
by
actually
saying
Happy
Valentine's
Day
to
everyone
and
then,
secondly,
to
thank
the
council.
It
has
been
a
long
day.
Some
of
you
have
had
committee
meetings
and
now
work
session,
and
then
we
run
right
into
the
business
meeting.
B
We
have
a
extremely
dense
presentation
for
you
all
it's
a
lot
of
slides,
so
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
get
started,
and
Chris
coral
and
Tony
McDowell
are
going
to
be
doing
most
of
the
the
presentation
but
I'm
going
to
open
with
the
the
key
takeaways
and
you
all
know
my
Approach
is
in
terms
of
key
takeaways.
It
is
begin.
Excuse
me
begin
with
the
end
of
mind.
B
I
want
to
leave
you
with
some
of
the
key
messages
that
you
will
see
through
a
much
more
detailed,
dense
presentation,
as
I
stated
so
I'll
get
started.
Key
takeaways
McCormick
feel
is
not
just
a
a
pretty
important
local
asset,
but
it's
a
pretty
important
Regional
asset.
We
currently
own
the
facility
and
over
the
years.
Unfortunately,
it's
not
been
adequately
maintained
and
you
will
see
a
lot
of
the
details
about
additional
things
that
are
that
are
needed,
whether
we
have
a
minor
league
baseball
team
or
not.
B
We
think
that
the
investment
will
help
us
potentially
turn
what
could
be
if
we
don't
invest
a
liability
into
a
much
bigger
asset
for
not
just
Minor
League
Baseball,
but
for
our
entire
community
now
to
retain
the
Major
League
Baseball
affiliation
in
Asheville.
We
do
have
to
make
some
significant
Renovations
that
are
in
line
with
what
they
require
in
terms
of
minimum
standards
for
these
types
of
facilities,
and
there
is
an
impending
deadline.
We
have
got
to
communicate
back
before
April
1st
are
thereabouts
with
the
commitment
letter
this
year.
B
We
have
been
discussing
this
over
several
months,
so
I
don't
want
anybody
to
feel
as
though.
Well,
how
long
have
you
you
know?
This
is
the
last
minute.
This
is
not
the
last
minute
we
have
been
talking
about
this
for
a
while
and
I
think
we
are
approaching.
Obviously
the
deadline,
but
also
I
think
a
fairly
strategic
approach
to
to
making
these
improvements.
However,
we
cannot
do
it
alone.
B
B
Our
existing
items
would
possibly
will
need
to
be
reprogrammed,
so
we
will
have
again
a
lot
more
detail
about
what
those
projects
may
be
and
potentially
how
we
can
help
in
making
the
improvements
for
this
facility
and
now
I'll
turn
it
over
to
you,
Chris,
to
run
through
the
rest
of
the
presentation.
Thanks.
C
Good
afternoon,
everyone
Chris
Coral
director
of
the
community
and
Regional
Entertainment
facilities,
Department
We've,
baked
in
a
lot
of
question
opportunities.
Brian
dewine,
the
owner
of
the
team,
is
here
as
well
today.
So
if
they're
questions
that
I
can't
answer-
and
he
can
he's
available
as
well
just
to
get
briefly
into
it,
I'm
going
to
try
to
go
through
the
history
portion
fast,
so
that
we
have
more
time
in
the
meat
of
the
presentation.
But
this
facility
opened
in
1924.
C
It
was
last
renovated
in
1992
by
the
county,
who
then
owned
the
stadium.
It's
4,
000
seats
sits
on
eight
and
a
quarter
acres
and
it
replaced
the
stadium
that
was
down
on
Choctaw
Street,
a
long
long
history
of
the
land.
If
you
can
go
way
back,
it
was
Eastern
band
of
Cherokee
Indians,
most
likely
as
far
as
I
can
find,
and
our
title
search
work.
Susan
Buchanan
owned
it
until
1922
when
it
was
sold
off
to
Wilbur
devendorf
Who
sold
it
to
the
city.
C
We
transferred
it
to
the
county
in
1984
as
part
of
the
water
agreement.
It
came
back
to
the
city
in
2005
with
the
cancellation
of
the
water
agreement.
We
have
owned
it
since
how
we
got
here
with
these
Renovations.
So
in
2015,
when
the
team
was
affiliated
with
the
Colorado
Rockies,
they
began
pushing
for
upgrades
at
McCormick,
Parks
and
Recreation,
and
the
tourists
commissioned
a
facilities
study
which
recommended
around
6
million
dollars
in
improvements.
Minimal
improvements
were
made
as
a
result
directly
from
that
about
80
000.
C
In
2019,
Major
League
Baseball
announced
a
plan
for
contraction
of
the
minor
leagues
and
teams
were
evaluated
on
their
geographical
positioning
and
the
facilities
that
they
had.
Then
in
2020
that
came
to
fruition
with
160
teams
dropping
down
to
120.
42,
total
teams
lost
their
license.
Two
Indies
got
teams
in
that's
why
that
math
doesn't
work
out
and
the
tourists
nearly
lost
their
affiliation
license
in
that
process,
and
during
that
process
they
went
from
the
Rockies
to
the
Houston
Astros,
which
they're
affiliated
with
today.
C
It's
also
in
2019
Major
League
Baseball,
advised
of
new
facility
standards
that
were
going
to
be
developed.
This
was
an
upgrade
from
the
1990
facility
standards
and
2020.
They
also
issued
new
franchise
licenses
to
all
the
remaining
120
teams,
so
our
team
has
a
license
for
affiliation
through
2030
and
that's
the
same
across
the
United
States,
there's
no
Market
that
has
a
license
agreement
longer
than
through
2030.
C
2020.
The
new
facility
standards
came
out
with
a
rubric
supporting
system
so
think
about
it.
Like
a
reverse,
Health
score
the
higher
your
points,
the
worse
it
is
so
you
want
to
be
lower
and
the
way
that
rubric
requirement
works.
We
need
to
be
under
30
points
by
April
1st
of
this
year.
20
points
by
24
10
points
by
2025,
we're
currently
at
177
points,
which
is
obviously
way
high
compared
to
what
major
league
baseball
would
like,
and
that
puts
us
in
the
bottom
10
of
all
minor
league
facilities.
C
That's
the
bottom
12
facilities
in
the
country.
Our
highlight
failures
are
a
lack
of
female
facilities
for
the
umpires
coaches
support
staff.
So
that's
the
training
rooms
everywhere
back
of
house
and,
if
you've
taken
a
tour
of
the
facility,
it's
very
confined
so
adding
those
spaces
is
going
to
be
really
challenging.
C
There's
no
security
command
posts
which
the
team
is
working
on
this
year
to
try
to
set
up
a
temporary
setup
for
that.
There's
no
secured
player
parking
exercise,
workout,
room
and
hitting
tunnel
is
under
the
left
field,
bleachers
very
confined,
and
not
an
ideal
situation
for
professional
sports.
The
commissary
and
dining
areas
are
really
tight.
They're
literally
around
the
corner
from
toilets.
C
It
lacks
the
infrastructure
to
support
the
modern
technology,
that's
needed
in
baseball
and
other
professional
sports.
The
training
room
is
really
a
Nook
more
than
a
training
room,
foul
poles
field,
grading
field,
drainage
or
an
issue.
There
field
lighting
the
batter's
eye,
which
is
the
dark
area
in
center
field.
So
they
can
see
the
baseball
coming
in
when
it's
pitched.
It's
too
small
and
media
facilities
are
similar
to
a
high
school
football
field.
C
So
our
facility
has
some
general
shortcomings
outside
of
Major
League
Baseball's
needs.
So
the
2015
report
identified
that,
like
many
of
our
other
City
facilities,
McCormick
field
systems
are
at
or
past
their
useful
life
expectancy.
That's
storm
water,
exhaust
systems,
HVAC
the
masonry,
handrails
and
step
supports
we're
up
to
code,
but
the
code
of
when
it
was
built.
So
as
things
are
renovated,
they
need
to
come
up
to
code
and
so
we're
in
a
constant
Band-Aid
repair
at
that
facility.
D
I
think
I
know
the
answer
to
this,
but
when
I
did
the
behind
the
scenes
tour
I
noticed
there
were
some
structural
issues
with
like
metal
that
was
rusted
out
with
storm
water
issues.
It
seemed
like
maybe
structural
issues
with
beams.
Does
that
fall
under
somewhere
in
this
list
would
seemed
pretty
important
if
we're
going
to
maintain
the
facility
with
or
without
baseball
yeah.
C
C
Minimum
requirements
for
the
facility
minimum
for
Major
League
Baseball
fan
improvements
and
a
future
slide,
but
yeah
that
would
be
included
in
that
minimum
for
the
facility
like
structural
issues,
HVAC
Plumbing,
like
those
are
things
we
need,
whether
it's
a
minor
league
team
there
or
some
other
tenant.
Okay,.
C
All
right,
that's
the
next
slide.
Actually,
so
we
have
two
different
projects
that
we're
showing
you
today,
the
full
project
and
a
minimum
project
to
meet
Major
League
Baseball
standards.
So
the
19.6
million
that
you
see
at
the
top
are
those
minimum
needs
to
meet
Major
League,
Baseball
standards,
the
facility
operational
minimum
needs:
that's
the
Civil
structural
and
MPE.
That's
that
5.6
million.
So
that's
where
we're
hitting
some
structural
issues,
some
storm
water
piping,
HVAC,
a
bucket
that
we
created
of
strongly
recommended
for
Pro
Sports.
C
So
that's
video
displays
the
front
entrance
Ingress
egress
picnic
areas.
Those
are
areas
that
you're
going
to
need
for
any
type
of
Pro
Sport,
whether
it's
a
high
level
independent
baseball
league
concerts
like
any
type
of
professional
environment
whenever
it
comes
to
sports
or
events
and
then
fan
amenities.
Interactive
displays,
which
is
additional.
C
So
we
would
need
to
replace
that
in
order
to
keep
the
club
at
like
a
similar
or
same
level
of
Revenue
generation
opportunity
and
the
scoreboard,
that's
currently,
there
would
have
to
come
out
to
deal
with
some
retaining
walls.
So
we
would
have
to
replace
that.
So
this
would
be
like
a
smaller
version
of
video
board
asset
in
the
interactive
displays
in
the
fan,
amenities.
C
Comparable
markets,
so
a
lot
of
questions
come
up
on
how
other
markets
fund
these
types
of
facilities,
I've
got.
Data
from
34
different
markets
over
75
percent
are
funded
publicly
and
that's
nearly
all
cases.
As
far
as
like
75
of
the
money
into
the
project.
There's
a
few
small
examples
where
it's
mostly
publicly
funded
Greenville
South
Carolina,
is
one
of
those
examples,
but
most
are
100
or
75
Public
Funding
in
different
buckets.
C
All
of
the
newer
stadiums
post
2014
have
agreements
that
require
multi-use
over
more
than
just
baseball
and
have
a
long-range
capex
plan
so
that
we
don't
run
into
that
issue
again
in
the
future
and
we'll
talk
about
both
of
those
later
today
and
all
have
a
legal
tether
for
Affiliated
baseball,
and
so
in
our
lease,
which
we'll
talk
about
later
that
we've
worked
out
with
the
ownership
group.
We
would
have
a
legal
tether
for
Affiliated
baseball
through
2030,
which
means
a
tie
to
a
major
league
team.
C
In
this
case,
the
Astros
and
a
legal
tether
to
the
ownership
group
for
professional
baseball
through
the
end
of
the
lease
which
would
be
about
10
years
longer
and
the
difference
there
being
Major
League
Baseball,
like
I
mentioned
earlier,
only
has
given
out
licenses
through
2030.
So
we
can't
guarantee
Major.
League
Baseball
will
give
us
affiliation,
but
we
can
guarantee
that
the
ownership
group
keeps
professional
baseball,
whether
it's
independent
or
Affiliated
teams,
after
that
2030
mark
additionally
inside
that
tether.
C
C
C
They
have
a
lot
of
other
little
buckets
on
how
they
are
inside
the
community.
Their
community
and
non-profit
concession
program
directly
paid
all
of
these
non-profit
and
Community
groups.
140
000.
A
little
more
than
140
000
last
year
in
2022
for
helping
work
in
their
concession
stand
to
give
you
comparison
to
the
Harris
Cherokee
Center,
so
we're
a
12-month
operation.
With
the
same
program.
C
C
It
with
Asheville,
so
the
tourists
in
the
last
two
years
have
worked
with
191
different
local
wnc.
Vendors
12,
at
least
of
their
of
their
vendor,
spend
in
2022
is
with
mwbe
businesses.
That
was
only
the
businesses
that
they
were
certain
were
mwbs
going
through
all
that
list.
In
the
last
week
there
could
be
others
in
there
too.
They
sell
20,
different
locally
made
food
or
beverage
products
and
their
concession
stands
and
Catering
operation
and
50
of
the
front
office
staff
are
women.
The
the
national
average
and
professional
baseball
is
29.2.
C
They
also
through
in-kind
and
cash,
provide
630
000
in
community
contributions
annually
and
50
000
dollars
in
need-based
scholarships
annually
through
the
family.
They
partnered
with
the
parks
and
rec
adaptive
League,
which
affects
about
60
kids
every
year
and
they
do
around
80
Community
appearances.
The
reading
program,
which
is
a
covid
casualty,
was
up
to
10
000
students
in
a
year
pre-covered.
It
is
coming
back
this
season
with
the
goal
of
getting
back
to
that
number
in
the
near
future,
but
it
hasn't
not
been
in
place
since
2019.
C
C
So
what
is
the
impact
of
not
funding
this
project?
So
we
remain
to
have
an
inadequate
facility.
That's
going
to
have
needs,
no
matter
what
we
decide
to
do
with
that
facility.
In
the
future,
the
club
will
lose
their
license
with
major
league
baseball
and
become
unaffiliated,
we'll
continue
to
have
a
facility
that
lacks
female
facilities
throughout
the
property.
C
If
used
for
other
uses,
it
is
possible
to
recruit
an
independent
team,
it's
possible
that
the
current
ownership
would
create
an
independent
team
to
play
in
Asheville,
but
there's
a
big
difference
between
Affiliated
non-affiliated
teams,
Affiliated
team
there's
a
direct
path
to
the
major
league
for
the
players
and
coaches
alike,
with
an
independent
team
you're
trying
to
get
back
to
the
minor
league.
So
your
quality
of
play
goes
down,
but
most
importantly
for
us
is
the
city.
C
The
total
game
Count
goes
down
on
average
from
66
to
35,
and
data
from
35
different
markets
show
that
their
attendance
reduction
from
2019
to
last
season
was
25
for
the
teams
that
lost
their
affiliation
and
that
contraction
and
continue
to
move
forward,
and
there
are
multiple
teams
that
completely
folded
and
just
have
vacant
stadiums
sitting
in
those
communities.
At
the
moment,
it's
assumed
that
a
similar
reduction
to
economic
impact
would
also
be
part
of
that
factor.
H
H
Contingency
I'm
just
curious,
it
just
says:
there's
contingency,
are
we
any
idea
of
what
or
how
much
and
then
my
follow-up
question
is
going
to
be.
I
saw
where
there's
the
guarantee
of
the
tourists
through
2030
or
I,
guess
baseball
affiliation
through
2030
and
then,
after
that
it
would
be
some
other
possible
affiliation.
But
is
there
a
potential
for
the
league
to
contract
again.
C
So
I'll
answer
the
contingency
question.
First,
so
contingency
these
numbers
were
based
on
a
2021
construction
estimate
that
we
then
added
added
escalators
to,
but
the
contingency
in
different
areas
was
anywhere
from
15
to
25
percent,
depending
on
which
portion
of
the
project
so
there's
a
significant
amount
of
contingency
in
there.
That's
helpful.
F
C
As
future
contraction,
Major
League
Baseball
has
stated
at
least
through
2030
they're,
not
going
to
contract.
After
that,
you
know
things
could
change.
I
would
be
surprised,
they've.
You
know
before
2020
many
teams
had
as
many
as
five
minor
league
teams,
and
now
they
all
have
four.
So
reducing
even
more
wouldn't
seem
illogical
but
possible
and.
G
I
had
a
question
on
this
slide.
Also,
so
I
appreciate
how
this
is
broken
down.
It
really
is
helpful
to
understand,
to
see
clearly
like
this
5.6
is
needed
to
just
care
for
this
facility.
No
matter
what
and
then
the
line
item
strongly
recommended
for
Pro
Sports
when
you're
presenting
you
also
mentioned
that
it.
That
line
item
might
also
be
pro
sports
or
pro-events
in
general.
Could
you
speak
to
that?
A
little
more
yeah.
C
So
if
we
go
back
in
time,
the
Taurus
hosted
a
pretty
large
concert
a
few
years
ago
with
Florida
Georgia,
Line
and
Nelly,
and
had
around
11
000
people
at
it
and
it
it
was
a
cluster.
It
just
didn't
work
well
like
getting
people
in
and
out
of
that
Stadium
when
you
have
more
than
three
four
thousand
people
is
really
really
hard.
If
you've
been
there,
the
gates
about
13
14
feet
wide.
G
It
sounds
like
it.
It
could
also
be
said
that
it's
strongly
recommended
for
just
professional
events,
because
part
of
what
struck
me
from
the
earlier
slide
is
that
a
significant
portion
of
folks
who've
done
renovation
since
then
have
contracts
that
are
multi-use,
that
this
isn't
that
a
lot
of
best
practices
that
this
isn't
just
a
baseball
stadium.
G
It's
a
community
event
space
and
we
know
how
much
awesome
work
has
been
put
into
our
Civic
Center
to
be
an
event
space,
and
this
might
could
be
another
place
to
bring
people
for
folks
to
come,
whether
they
love
baseball
or
not,
but
that
that
doesn't
just
happen
with
the
facility.
Operational
minimal
needs
right
to
really
scale
up
to
have
multi-purposes.
We
might
want
Investments
for
those
purposes
as
well.
Yeah.
D
One
yeah
there's
a
big
jump
from
1.5
to
7.
and
I
think
it
would
help
if
we
broke
that
down
and
like
thought
about
like
what.
How
are
we
going
to
use
this
space
for
more
than
baseball,
and
why
does
it
need
to
be
that
big
of
a
jump
if
it's
going
to
be
more
for
more
than
Sports
and
one
of
the
things
I'm
curious
about
we're,
seeing
facilities
like
this
being
used
for
ice
skating
or
for
a
concert,
graduations
weddings?
C
So
far,
the
club
has
run
point
on
working
with
the
neighborhoods,
specifically
initially
to
talk
about
fireworks
and
how
often
fireworks
are
shot
which
we'll
get
to
later,
but
yeah.
That
was
one
of
the
topics
we
were
going
to
get
into
later.
With
the
events
is
the
impact
on
the
community.
That's
part
of
the
pros
cons
is
if
we
wanted
to
get
more
out
of
the
facility,
that's
going
to
bring
more
people
to
that
area.
More
often.
F
F
B
D
I
know
we
talked
about
this
before,
but
in
that
phasing
of
how
many
people
are
going
to
use
the
facility
for
non-baseball
events.
I
know,
we've
talked
about
a
flat
number:
is
it
possible
to
contract
in
a
percentage
increase
over
time,
because
I
think
there's
probably
a
way
to
do
some
Focus
Outreach
with
the
neighborhood
to
see
what
the
needs
and
desires
are
of
using
this
space
and
what
the
impact
would
be
if
we
like
where's
the
threshold
of
where
we're
headed
and
also
how
can
we
Engage
The
Neighborhood
more.
C
I
think,
if
we're
going
to
add
an
escalator
onto
a
minimum
amount
of
additional
attendees
outside
of
baseball
every
year,
we
have
to
be
cognizant
that,
if
we're
asking
the
team
to
do
that
and
we're
going
to
penalize
them
if
they
can't
meet
that,
but
we're
also
going
to
ask
them
to
be
very
careful
about
how
they
impact
the
neighborhood.
There's
the
lines
cross
somewhere
there
right
like.
If
we
say
we
need
you
to
bring
in
50
000
more
people,
but
the
neighborhood's
only
ready
for
ten
thousand.
D
So
thinking
about
neighborhood
resiliency,
which
is
the
goal
of
this
Council
and
food
security,
I,
am
also
curious.
I
know:
I've
talked
with
the
owner
of
the
team
about
this.
It's
not
necessarily
requiring
the
whole
use
of
space.
There's
a
parking
lot.
Could
it
be
tailgate
markets?
Can
it
be
food
truck
events
like
there's,
there's
probably
a
way
to
get
that
number
to
meet
the
needs
of
neighborhood.
So
almost
we're
communicating
with
the
neighborhood
well.
A
F
C
And
that
would
definitely
be
part
of
the
mix
when
we're
talking
into
the
lease
that
we
have
access
to
dates
certain
times
of
year.
First,
access
the
rest
of
the
time.
Second,
after
baseball
just
with
how
the
scheduling
has
to
work,
and
so
we
could
work
out,
tailgate
markets.
We've
talked
to
the
ownership
group
like
parking
lot
is
the
easiest
space,
because
that's
passive
events
that
are
in
and
out
the
hardest
things
are
concerts
and
the
ice
skating
that
somebody
brought
up.
C
We
haven't
had
anybody
park
on
the
field
since,
whenever
that
was
but
parking,
we'll
talk
about
in
the
least
but
his
address
team
parking
public
parking,
I'm
kind
of
envisioning
this
as
part
of
that
South
slope,
Vision
plan,
which
has
not
yet
been
adoptive-
and
this
is
a
piece
in
that
plan
and
in
that
plan
in
front
of
the
stadium.
There's
access
for
parking
to
be
built
in
the
future.
One.
H
G
So
with
that
Preamble
when
I
look
at
kind
of
the
list
and
the
conversation
I
think
a
lot
of
the
my
understanding
is
a
lot
of
the
things
on
the
list
really
came
out
of
the
baseball
team.
Saying
hey,
we
gotta
meet
these
MLB
standards,
and
here
is
what
we
would
love
as
your
lead
tenant,
and
my
kind
of
question
is
stepping
away
from
the
Major
League
Baseball
mandates
and
what
we
know
from
facilities.
Are
there
things
that
haven't
really
been
put
on
this
list?
C
Short
answer
is
yes,
so
the
study
was
done
in
2016
at
that
point
before
there
were
Major
League
Baseball
standards
coming
down,
and
the
goal
at
that
point
was:
how
do
we
renovate
this
stadium
for
baseball?
So
at
that
point
we
actually
had
a
clause
in
our
lease
that
they
weren't
allowed
to
do
an
event
for
more
than
a
thousand
people
without
written
permission
from
the
city,
so
it
was
truly
a
baseball
stadium
only
so
these
budget
figures
and
these
assets
that
we
would
be
renovating
and
building
would
be
baseball
first.
Other
events.
F
F
C
So
financing
details
how
we
would
do
this
right,
so
the
city
of
Asheville
would
need
to
seek
debt
financing
from
the
local
government.
Commission.
We
would
partner
with
the
club
the
team,
the
TDA,
possibly
the
state
of
North
Carolina,
the
LGC
and
Major
League
Baseball
would
require
documentation
of
financial
commitments
and
expected
documents
would
include
a
20-year
longer
lease
agreement
with
the
club,
our
city
debt
package,
a
resolution
from
the
county
and
a
commitment
from
the
TDA
and
any
bulk
Revenue
that
would
come
in
like
the
state
or
any
other
bulk.
C
A
F
A
C
C
We'd
already
be
earning
some
extra
dollars
on
top
of
that,
and
it's
presumed
that
after
a
renovation,
we
would
have
a
boost
in
attendance.
Is
that
tends
to
happen
everywhere
that
puts
money
into
public
facilities
like
this,
so
that
makes
their
average
lease
payment
over
the
20-year
term
468
750
a
year,
there's
also
a
requirement
that
they
bring
in
35
000,
non-baseball
attendees
to
events
at
the
facility
annually
and
there's
a
50
Cent
penalty
per
head.
C
If
that
Target's
missed
so
the
the
deep
deep
details
on
that
naming
rights
would
stay
100
with
the
club,
Council
would
still
have
the
ultimate
authority
over
approving
the
final
name.
So
they'd
have
to
bring
it
to
this
group,
similar
to
when
Harrah's
Cherokee
bid
on
the
Civic
Center
and
we
went
through
that
process,
but
they
would
incur
100
of
the
revenue
and
expense
so
work
through
the
naming
rights
process.
The
club
would
have
a
hundred
percent
to
sponsorship
and
advertising.
This
is
consistent
with
their
current
lease.
C
We
would
receive
mutually
agreeable
time
in
their
digital
assets
for
advertising
either
for
Harris
events,
Parks
and
Rec
job
posting.
Whatever
we
want
to
put
out
there
as
the
city,
the
team
would
retain
100
of
the
ticket
management.
The
city
would
receive
the
equivalent
of
eight
season
tickets
per
year
or
each
year,
we'd
have
a
city
of
Asheville
night
and
one
night
in
the
suite
similar
to
an
employee
program
we
did.
Last
year
we
had
the
opportunity
to
allow
every
employee
two
different
games
a
year.
They
could
attend
for
free.
C
So
that's
what
these
tickets
would
be
used
for.
Food
and
beverage
would
remain
with
the
club
who
operates
it
currently,
but
they
must
maintain
a
health
rating,
no
permitted
programming
at
Memorial
Stadium
on
game
days.
That's
consistent
with
the
current
and
past
lease
that
we
don't
program.
Two
big
events.
At
the
same
time,
Department
of
community
and
Regional
Entertainment
facilities
would
have
first
rights
on
dates
from
the
first
day
after
the
season
through
October
31st.
So
that
would
be
specifically
targeting
concerts
and
other
special
events.
C
We
have
access
to
dates
throughout
the
rest
of
the
year.
Second
to
baseball,
so
the
team
would
have
first
rates
to
those
dates
on
the
events
that
we
would
host.
There
would
be
a
50
50
split
of
the
net
bar
tickets
sponsorship
sales.
Essentially,
you
have
the
net
revenue
of
the
event
would
be
a
50
50
split
with
the
team
and
concerts
of
that
scope
and
scale
have
a
pretty
good
return.
C
For
example,
we'll
have
an
event
later
this
month
that
the
bar
numbers
should
net
somewhere
in
the
neighborhood
of
22
ahead.
So
there's
great
opportunity
for
advanced
Revenue
here,
especially
when
we're
talking
about
five
six.
Seven,
eight
thousand
person
concerts
on
average
you're
going
to
see
around
18
ahead
depending
on
the
type
of
show
parking,
so
the
team
would
have
24
7
365
access
to
the
front
lot,
which
is
in
front
of
the
stadium
on
game
days.
A
Subsidizing
yeah,
so
this
was
a
big
deal.
We
used
to
actually
have
to
pay
for
operations,
yes,
and
we
made
we
switched
it
so
that
the
city
was
no
longer
involved
in
operations,
but
only
in
capital,
so
that
was
shortly
thereafter.
I
think
with
the
new
seating
went
in
maybe
toilets
too,
but
seating
for
sure
I.
C
And
all
right
so
to
continue
with
the
future
at
least
still
points.
The
city
would
take
utilities
and
we
would
pay
those
utilities
throughout
the
year
and
use
their
lease
payments
to
cover
that
cost
license
and
service
agreements
would
be
100.
That
of
the
club.
So
that's
like
elevator
agreements,
video
board,
Services
Etc,
there's
a
request
to
waive
firework
permit
fees
and
to
increase
the
total
number
of
Fireworks
shows
to
a
maximum
of
15
plus
federal
holidays
and
to
waive
the
no
back-to-back
rule
on
holiday
weekends.
So
the
current
maximum
count
is
12..
C
Out
or
fix
this
leak,
whatever
it
might
be,
and
then
any
unused
amount
from
that
25
000
would
roll
into
capex
for
future
projects
down
the
line
and
then
there's
a
request
for
a
planned
program
of
4
million
in
year,
seven
and
year
14
for
improvements
at
the
stadium.
Just
knowing
that
there's
going
to
be
things
in
the
future
that
we're
going
to
feel
like
we
need
to
improve
on
or
add
or
new
equipment,
whatever
that
might
be
and
pre-programming
in
the
opportunity
for
additional
improvements
in
the
few.
C
H
I
I
D
Can
we
go
to
the
slide
where
it
talks
about
fireworks?
Okay,
I
have
reached
out
to
the
neighborhood
association,
I
haven't
heard
back
yet
officially,
but
I
have
talked
to
neighbors,
who
live
in
Easton,
Valley,
Street
and
I
would
be
really
surprised
if
there
was
a
a
broad
support
for
more
concerts
and
fireworks
and
noise.
D
Things
like
who
benefits
from
the
Contracting
to
the
Asheville
Royal
Giants
being
recognized
as
Championship
1946
1947
players
how
to
connect
with
more
of
our
youth,
how
to
connect
with
more
neighborhood
programming.
But
I
really
would
love
to
to
hear
from
neighborhood
that
this
is.
This
is
a
benefit
because
I'm
not
hearing
that
right
now
when
we
have
so
many
benefits
that
we
could
be
focused
on
in
the
use
of
our
space.
A
This
is
this
is
and
been
a
neighborhood
issue
in
terms
of
impacts,
and
what
is
what
is
what
level
of
impact
is
the
neighborhood
willing
to
you
know,
put
up
with
I
mean
basically
and
to
me
one
thing
that
I
think
we
should
explore,
because
I
think
what
we're
going
to
get
into
is
doing.
The
higher
version
of
this
redo
of
this
facility
will
allow
more
uses,
for
example,
concerts.
F
A
If
you're
living
in
the
neighborhood,
what
what
would
motivate
you
to
want
to
deal
with
six
to
12
concerts
a
year
that
will
generate
a
lot
of
Revenue
I
think
we
need
to
have
a
conversation
with
the
neighborhood
about
and
the
community
about.
What
is
a
way
we
could.
What
could
we
do
with
those
revenues?
What
could
we
do?
D
Like
I
do
hear
a
lot
of
requests
for
more
family-friendly,
affordable
events.
I
do
hear
a
request
for
support
of
the
Eastern
Valley
streets.
Dental
program
I
do
hear
a
desire
to
have
like
graduation,
Focus
or
Festival
Focus
art
show
Focus
like
that
sense
of
belonging.
That's
going
to
connect
with
our
families
and
our
neighborhoods
I.
Don't
hear
this
so
I
I
get
it
I,
just
yeah
I
know
that's
our
work.
H
Okay,
one
more
quick
clarifying
question,
so
it
looks
like
2025
is
when
things
might
actually
be
done
and
the
official
you
know,
leasing
of
a
full
rate
goes
into
play
and
are
we
calling
that
year?
One?
Yes,
okay,
so
for
seven
years,
they'll
pay
us
roughly
470
thousand
dollars
in
rent,
but
then,
at
the
end
of
that
seventh
year
we
need
to
give
four
million
dollars
back
to
the
facility.
That's
the
required.
I
was
surprised
by
the
four
and
seven
or
the
seven
year
and
eleven
year
mark
yeah.
H
C
Okay,
so
with
the
minimum
project
moving
forward,
this
one's
actually
pretty
easy,
because
most
of
the
things
that
come
out
are
additional
Revenue
generators
for
the
team.
They
don't
have
the
flexibility
to
get
as
high
with
lease
payments,
so
they'd
still
move
up
to
25
000
per
year
this
year,
50
000
next
year,
and
then
we
would
be
stair
stepping
at
250
000
for
five
years,
275
for
the
next
five
three
hundred
thousand
and
then
325
in
those
last
10
years
again,
we'd
have
the
one
dollar
per
paid
attendee
over
175
000..
C
E
J
Lee
still
appoints
and
I
mean
I
the
city
of
Asheville.
Of
course
you
know
appreciate
the
eight
season
tickets,
but
this
is
basically
for
us.
I
was
wondering.
Is
there
any
kind
of
benefit
that
we
could
actually
have
in
here
from
the
team
that
actually
could
give
back
to
the
community?
As
far
as
maybe
a
certain
percentage
of
free
tickets?
J
You
know
for
people
in
the
community
Cuts,
you
know
baseball
tickets
and
things
like
that
are
very
expensive,
and
you
know
we
will
a
lot
of
people
in
community
that
would
love
to
enjoy
these.
You
know
luxuries
unfortunately,
could
not
afford
to
so.
I
was
just
wondering.
Is
there
anything
that
we
could
put
in
here?
That
would
actually
benefit.
You
know
the
community
so.
C
A
lot
of
that's
already
happening:
that's
inside
that
630
000
Community
contribution
number
I
mentioned
earlier:
that's
in
kind
tickets,
among
other
things,
but
I
would
assume
I
might
have
to
pass
to
Brian
here.
But
if
we
moved
up
through
these
projects,
those
programs
would
likely
expand.
So
you'd
have
more
and
more
people
that
get
access
to
free
tickets
or
highly
discounted
tickets,
and
there's
a
few
different
programs
that
you
guys
do
with
that
right.
Yeah.
E
C
C
A
H
D
C
C
We
would
approach
the
TDA
and
apply
for
a
major
Works
pathway
Grant.
So
we
would,
as
part
of
that
Grant
request.
We
would
request
a
reallocation
of
the
previously
awarded
1.95
million
for
the
Cox
avenue
green
Main
Street
project
that
we
were
awarded
in
October
of
this
past
year
and
staff
feels
confident
that
we
could
go
back
and
reapply
and
be
awarded
that
money
or
maybe
even
more
in
the
future,
and
it
would
not
have
a
significant
impact
on
the
other
on
the
Cox.
F
C
Project
additionally,
we
would
request
a
Debt
Service
Grant
from
the
TDA
for
a
maximum
of
15
years
and
the
amount
of
roughly
1.4
million,
and
this
would
be
the
first
Debt
Service
grant
that
the
TDA
has
issued
they've
always
done
one
for
one
Grant.
That's
always
what
we,
the
city,
have
applied
for.
We've
never
applied
for
a
Debt
Service
Grant,
but
this
is
that
opportunity
to
do
so,
so
they
can
come
in
at
1.4
million
a
year
for
up
to
15
years.
C
So
it
brings
the
city
in
at
roughly
950
000
per
year.
So
that's
our
average
debt
payment.
It
changes
every
single
year
for
a
total
cost
to
us,
including
interest
and
everything
on
the
quote-unquote
mortgage
at
19
million.
So
that's
34
of
the
project.
The
club
would
come
in
at
their
lease
payments,
which
is
about
17
percent
of
the
project,
the
county
committed
for
5
million,
which
is
nine
percent
of
the
total
project,
and
assuming
we
were
granted
the
Grant
from
the
TDA
and
reallocation
of
the
Cox
avenue
monies.
C
The
TDA
would
be
in
for
a
total
of
22.95
million,
which
is
41
of
the
project
in
all
of
these
costs
are
best
estimates.
We've
been
having
conversation
with
staff
on
each
of
these
groups,
but
other
than
the
tourist
commitment.
None
of
these
are
commitments
until
their
boards
vote
on
it
just
like
here,
so
the
minimum
project
very
similar
financing
scale
that
the
difference
being
the
club's
ability
for
input
and
the
likeliness
of
significant
input
from
the
TDA.
C
You
see
the
the
amount
to
borrow
changes,
but
the
city's
annual
contribution
goes
up
by
50
000
a
year
which,
over
the
term
is
about
one
million
dollar
difference.
The
tda's
contribution
comes
down
as
well
as
the
clubs.
So
again,
these
are
best
figure.
Estimates
I
feel
like
they're,
pretty
well
educated
guesses,
but
they're.
You
know
not
final,
and
so
any
other
board
approves
them.
F
I
I
have
a
question
before.
If
you
well,
it's
going
to
be
a
question
for
Deborah,
can
you
go
back
to
the
financial
plan,
the
maximum
one
you
see
up
at
the
top?
It
indicates
that
the
city
would
pay
950
000
a
year,
but
I'm
also
aware
that
we
currently
commit
500
000
a
year
to
the
Housing
Trust
Fund
and
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
year
for
reparations.
B
F
B
I
H
I'm
always
a
fan
of
contributing
more
to
affordable
housing,
but
they're.
It's
almost
like
a
surface
glance
when
it's
said
that
way,
because
we
are
the
other
funds
that
we're
speaking
to
have
other
incomes
coming
to
them,
whether
it's
the
25
million
dollars
in
bonds
that
we
did
for
housing
or
if
it's
reparations
that
receives
funding
from
the
community
benefits
table.
We
set
up.
So
it's
a
little
more
complex
and
nuanced
I'd
say.
B
And,
and
certainly
after
the
reparations
initiative
is
over,
we
will
have
a
better
I
think
idea
of
what
is
being
recommended
and
what
those
commitments
need
to
be
from
both
the
again
City
and
County,
as
well
as
with
affordable
housing
with
City,
County
Dogwood,
so
yeah.
This
is
all
about
Partnerships
and
it
is
definitely
not
a
value
statement
about
what
this
Community
Values.
We
value
it
all
and
that
a
community
of
our
size
but
I
think
the
the
experience
that
we
want
for
locals
and
for
visitors.
B
J
We
need
to
work
on
it
all.
What
I
was
thinking
about
is
basically
what
the
stadium
it
actually
can
be,
a
revenue
source
that
we
could
actually
maybe
when
we
you
know
when
they
start
making
money,
then
some
a
certain
percentage
of
that
Revenue
Source
can
go
towards
reparations
or
housing.
Basically,
you
know,
because
that
is
a
revenue
and
not
just
a
liability
to
some
degree.
D
D
So
when
we've
got
urgency
of
housing,
climate
crisis
and
Buncombe
County
has
acknowledged
racism
as
a
Public
Health
crisis
infrastructure
burdens.
We
just
saw
the
Water
Crisis,
we
don't
see
step
State.
Funding
like
Maryland
is
dumping
State
funds
into
their
ballparks
as
economic
development
engines,
because
there
is
an
economic
development
impact
and
a
potential
for
job
creation,
but
we're
not
seeing
the
same
ass
that
we
would
if
this
was
another
Economic
Development
opportunity,
we'd
be
asking
about
living
wages.
D
B
Yes,
the
numbers
are
statement
of
value.
However,
again
for
community
of
our
size,
the
Legacy
that
we
have
had
with
this
particular
facility
and
its
use.
We
are
saying
it
is,
and
and
and
no
no
pun
intended
no
offense,
it's
bigger
than
a
baseball
stadium,
and
that
we
can
do
more
things
benefit
the
broader
community
and
the
Eastern,
Community
and
I.
Think
that
we
can.
We
can
work
through
a
lot
of
the
details
about
impact
and
certainly
over
programming,
that
community.
F
I
I
I,
don't
know
what
that
looks
like,
but
if
we
decide
to
go
forward,
I
would
love
to
see
a
plan
for
that
in
off
season
time.
Yes,
who
decides
who
gets
to
go
into
their
neighborhood
and
do
whatever
it
is
that
we
decide
they're
able
to
do
where?
Can
they
plug
in
to
have
a
say
in
what
happens
in
their
neighborhood
I?
Think
it's
a
overarching
goal
for
both
the
Oakhurst
neighborhood
and
Easton
Community.
Thank.
K
C
F
E
K
Go
to
the
LGC,
which
is
the
local
government
commission,
that
we
have
to
go
to
to
seek
approval
to
issue
debt
for
this
project
and
order
to
meet
the
the
need
to
have
that
plan
in
place
and
get
LGC
approval.
Well,
he
either
have
to
look
at
reducing
or
delaying
some
planned
spending
in
the
five-year
CIP
or.
K
Will
have
to
be
put
into
the
CIP
in
order
for
us
to
pay
the
debt
service
on
this
project.
So
what
does
that
look
like
again
a
couple
options
here?
So
if
the
city
were
to
look
at
delaying
or
reducing
the
current
CIP,
just
to
kind
of
give
you
all
some
context,
we
have
approximately
69
million
dollars
in
debt-funded
projects
that
are
planned
over
our
upcoming
five
years
and
we
have
a
chart
on
the
next
slide.
K
I'll
show
you
some
more
detail
on
that,
but
the
vast
majority
of
that
spending
is
really
kind
of
in
two
buckets.
If
you
will
it's
replacement
of
existing
vehicles
and
equipment
that
City
staff
use
it's
about
28
million
dollars
over
five
years
and
then
the
other
big
bucket
is
Street
and
sidewalk
maintenance.
That's
asphalt
resurfacing,
it's
repairing
existing
sidewalk,
it's
neighborhoods,
sidewalks,
new
sidewalks
and
also
pedestrian
improvements
as
well,
and
that's
about
31
million.
So
one
option
would
be
if
we
wanted
to
look
at
the
projects
that
are
in
the
existing
CIP.
K
We
could
reduce
funding
in
some
of
these
areas
to
find
to
come
up
with
the
resources
for
this
project
or
and
I
think
this
is
really
specifically
for
kind
of
the
street
and
sidewalk
and
pedestrian
Improvement
areas.
We
could
look
at
shifting
some
of
that
future
funding
to
a
future
Geo
bond
that
Council
may
be
considering
in
2024..
K
K
K
K
So
we
wouldn't
need
all
of
the
the
money
in
next
year's
budget
for
the
for
the
debt
service,
but
we
would
need
to
show
that
we're
committed
to
to
that
plan
in
order
to
get
LGC
approval.
We
would
recommend
that
we
put
somewhere
between
1,
450
and
500
000
in
in
the
current
budget
process
and
then
look
at
stepping
that
up
over
a
two-year
period
so
that
by
the
time
the
project
is
well
underway.
We
would
have
that
full
950
to
100
or
1
million
dollars,
set
aside
to
pay
debt
service
on
this.
What.
A
Okay,
I
I
do
I
will
just
say
and
Tony.
This
isn't
a
question
for
you
that
I
I'm
we're
putting
in
a
kind
of
a
placeholder
number
for
what
the
city's
Debt
Service
could
look
like,
but
there's
still
a
lot
of
negotiating
happening
here,
especially
as
between
the
city
and
the
county,
because
you
can
see
their
numbers
pretty
low.
So
so
that
would
our
numbers
should
do
nothing
but
go
down
as
a
result
of
a
fruitful
negotiations.
A
A
F
A
C
C
You
see
a
lot
of
Winter
Lights,
Winterfest
style
events
throughout
Minor,
League
Baseball,
a
big
big,
green
egg,
fests
craft
fairs
other
like
passive
style
events.
You
see
a
lot
of
cases
where
those
Winter
Lights
programs
grow
over
a
few
years,
and
as
you
get
that
annual
group
that's
going
to
come
every
single
year,
then
you
see
adding
a
synthetic
ice,
ice,
skating
or
other
different
growth
patterns
of
the
Winter
Lights,
which
we
feel
like
is
the
biggest
opportunity
for
that.
C
Ballpark
concerts
are
great,
but
we've
already
talked
about
how
noise
can
be
a
problem,
but
these
passive
events
like
what
you
see
at
the
Winter
Lights
at
Arboretum,
you're
having
a
smaller
amount
of
people
coming
in
over
a
longer
period
of
time,
BMX,
X,
game
style
events,
yoga
groups,
walking
groups
and
parking
lot.
Farmers
markets
on
a
certain
day
of
the
week
for
certain
times
of
years
in
and
out
type
of
events
that
really
have
a
great
opportunity.
C
Most
of
these
bigger
ones,
though,
are
really
contingent
on
that
bigger
project,
because
you
have
to
physically
drive
a
stage
in
on
a
giant
big
rig,
for
example,
as
a
multi-purpose
facility
attendance
projections
we
feel
like
by
year,
five
we
can
be
at
about
70
000
per
year
for
non-tourist
baseball
events
with
a
potential
net
revenue
on
the
city
side
or
a
little
over
half
a
million
dollars,
I
feel
like
especially
on
the
concert
side.
This
is
conservative,
but
that's
assuming
that
we
don't
have
any
caps
on
number
of
concerts.
G
Do
how
did
these
projections
pay
into
kind
of
the
play
into
the
deal
structure
that
you're
showing
us
right?
So
if
we
go
with
the
larger
project
and
we're
looking
at
Capital
like
some
of
our
Capital
payments
of
nine
hundred
thousand,
and
we
might
get
to
a
point,
we're
at
about
half
a
million
a
year?
C
F
C
G
H
I
want
to
lend
you
a
brief
Kudos,
because
when
we
get
to
this
slide,
I
start
to
feel
more
confident
because
you
have
taken
this
on,
but
in
your
other
role
you
run
our
Harris
Cherokee,
Center
or
Civic
Center
or
concerts.
All
the
sudden.
You
have
expertise
in
that.
So
I
start
to
feel
better.
When
I
hear
that
you're
going
to
be
involved
in
this
level
of
planning
there.
C
Entities
that
would
love
to
drop
a
concert
in
that
facility
as
soon
as
it's
ready
and
that
do
it
throughout
the
country
on
a
regular
basis.
So
we
have
a
lot
of
opportunities
in
the
concert
space.
But
again
that's
the
hardest.
Community
impacts
face
and
there's
more
passive
events.
The
craft
fairs,
the
Big
Green
Egg,
shows
the
food
shows
I
think
we
would
be
leaning
on
the
tourists
around
point
on
projects
like
that
or
rent
them
out
to
promoters,
we'd
be
going
after
the
free
community
events,
anything
that's
tied
with
Parks
and
Rec,
and.
E
F
D
Tourist
games
I'm
in
this
space
with
people
of
all
ages
and
lived
experience,
and
it
is
a
way
to
bring
people
together
and
I,
hear
our
youth
calling
through
a
place
of
a
sense
of
belonging
when
you
consider
the
history
of
baseball
in
Asheville
at
this
location,
plus
a
future
history
of
many
memories
and
Community.
Building
I
think
this
gets
to
that
sense
of
belonging.
Yes,.
C
So
down
just
the
last
few,
so
we
made
a
Pros
cons
for
the
minimum
project.
Maximum
and
no
project.
I
won't
read
each
individual
one,
but
you
can
see
on
the
minimum
project,
there's
significantly
more
cons
than
Pros,
but
it
would
meet
Major
League
Baseball
and
it
does
keep
site
programming
at
similar
levels.
So
your
neighborhood
parking
impact
would
be
similar
to
what
it
has
been.
C
C
It's
con,
though,
is
that
there's
a
significant
investment
in
long-term
commitment
of
funds
right
now,
no
project
is
a
little
more
level.
So
we've
there's
no
immediate
strain
for
on
the
CIP.
If
we
don't
do
a
project,
we'll
have
a
reduced
impact
on
the
neighborhood,
assuming
that
we
lose
affiliation
and
we
have
an
independent
League
team
that
plays
less
often,
but
we
would
have
eight
and
a
quarter
acres
of
developable
land
that
we
could
do
something
with.
C
And
what
that
something
is
we
don't
know,
and
it
would
be
the
opportunity
to
determine
what
that
new
use
of
that
site
could
be
a
Cod
of
the
no
project,
those
that
we
still
own
a
facility
that
has
significant
repair
needs
and
capital
project
is
going
to
be
needed
at
some
point
in
the
future.
To
sum
amount
and
likely
without
the
same
level
of
assistance
from
partners
we'll
have
not
I
shouldn't
have
put
potential
to
lose
our
primary
tenant.
C
We
likely
100
will
lose
them
as
an
Affiliated
team,
but
they
may
come
back
as
an
independent
team.
It
would
be
economic
and
Community
impact
loss,
the
team
losing
affiliation
with
no
guarantee
of
that
Independent
League
team
and
a
significant
future
investment
and
efforts
going
to
be
required
to
bring
Affiliated
baseball
back
to
the
community
if
we
so
desire,
because
all
these
markets
just
like
us,
if
they're
committing
to
a
big
project
right
now
for
those
120
teams,
they're
tethering,
that
team
to
their
market
for
15
20
years.
C
C
Our
proposed
timeline
we're
here
today,
we'd
be
coming
back
to
Council
on
March
14th
for
a
vote.
We
would
submit
a
letter
of
commitment
to
Major
League
Baseball
by
the
end
of
March.
The
county
would
include
this
topic
on
a
briefing
on
March
21st,
with
a
vote
at
their
commission
meeting
on
April
6th.
We
would
then
take
our
committed
funds
from
the
team,
the
city
and
the
county
to
the
pro
tourism
Development
Authority
at
their
April
meeting
and
present
a
request.
C
The
funding
for
funding
for
the
project,
The
Product
Development
Fund
committee-
would
review
it
throughout
the
month
of
May
and
they
would
recommend
to
the
TDA
at
their
May
meeting
where
they
may
or
may
not
fund,
and
then
we're
back
to
the
key
takeaways
where
Deborah
started.
So
before
we
go
through
there's
any
final
questions
or
Direction.
B
And
I
definitely
will
not
be
going
back
through
these,
but
I
want
to
pick
up
on
something
that
Sage
said
with,
which
is
to
thank
Chris
for
all
the
hard
work
and
also
decrep
staff,
because
when
Chris
was
working
on
these
things,
somebody
had
to
run
Harris
security,
Center
and
Muni
Golf
and
all
the
other
facilities
that
come
under
his
department,
so
I'm,
so
so
grateful
for
his
work.
This
kind
of
concludes
our
presentation,
kind
of
an
update
of
where
we
are.
B
Essentially,
if
you
want
to
proceed
staff's
perspective
about
which,
which
Avenue
which
option
you
should
should
take,
and
we
would
be
coming
back
Chris,
can
you
go
back
to
that
schedule?
Yep
a
council
vote
on
the
14th
of
March,
unless
you
all,
you
know,
tell
us
today
that
you
don't
want
us
to
go
any
further
on
this,
but
we
would
we
would
we
think
this
is
a
positive
path
forward
and
think
it's
something
that
would
benefit
the
community
I.
J
Have
one
question
maybe
I
missed
it?
He
may
have
covered
that,
but
I
was
looking
here
whether
you
had
the
10
20-year
commitment
from
the
club
for
468
and
our
commitment
from
950
000..
Did
you
actually
take
in
consideration
that,
once
that
payment
is
being
made
where
we're
getting
nothing
for
the
stadium
now
that
brings
in
income?
Does
that
reduce
our
concerts.
C
H
C
F
G
C
It's
there
that
that's
the
goal.
There's
other
markets
out
there
that
have
invested
smaller
amounts
over
time
that
their
need
to
meet
these
standards
are
significantly
less.
There's
some
clubs
less
than
two
million
dollars
of
needs
right
now
and
then
there's
others
that
are
in
that
20
to
30
range.
Just
like
us.
That.
G
C
Well,
so
we
explored
one
for
one
grants
with
the
TDA
that
would
come
in
and
years
say
like
one
three
five,
the
risk
with
that
is
if
we
were
not
to
receive
any
of
those
other
grants,
then
we'd
be
on
the
hook
for
the
whole
thing.
So
The
Debt
Service
option
was
the
best
option
to
get
long-term
commitment
from
Partners
to
make
sure
that
we
didn't
come
on
the
hook
for
more
than
we
bargained
for
at
the
beginning,
but.
B
G
I'm,
not
at
a
point
of
saying
no
or
yes,
which
means
I'd
like
to
see
really
thoughtful
team
thoughts.
Today
that
I'd
like
to
see
some
of
the
information
that
we've
asked
for
in
another
conversation,
so
I
think
the
next
layer
of
detail
would
be,
would
help
me
get
towards
my
decision
making
and
just
appreciate
everyone
on
council's
thoughtfulness
and.