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From YouTube: City Council Meeting – August 22, 2023
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Regular meeting of the Asheville City Council.
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A
We
have
a
full
house
and
we
have
I
think
some
people
downstairs
in
the
Overflow
room,
so
we'll
try
to
keep
everything
going
here,
a
couple
of
things:
first,
if
you'll
silence
your
cell
phones
and
then,
if
you'll,
make
sure
to
sign
up
to
speak
out
in
the
hall,
we
have
a
place
where
you
can
sign
up
and
then
it
populates
on
our
screen.
So
we
can
see
the
list.
A
So
before
we
begin
tonight
and
I
and
I
don't
mean
to
surprise
my
fellow
council
members,
but
I
just
wanted
to
speak
to
a
couple
of
incidents
that
have
happened
recently
in
our
community.
As
as
many
of
you
know,
our
council,
member
Maggie
Ullman
had
a
incident
or
a
home
or
her
car
windows
were
smashed
out
and
her
tires
were
slashed
and
we
had
I'm
an
incident
where
two
police
vehicles
were
lit
on
fire
and
burned
and
I.
A
You
know
lots
changed
in
the
last
many
years,
being
an
elected
office
and
being
a
city
employee,
serving
in
a
police
department
being
in
a
public
works
department
or
being
being
in
a
Parks
and
Rec
Department
and
I
have
not
publicly
shared
the
incidents
that
have
happened
to
me,
because
I
didn't
really
want
to
share
them.
A
Orders
against
I
I
have
had
sexually
violent
Communications
in
my
to
my
email
accounts,
and
this
is
just
to
I,
haven't
publicly
shared
these
incidents,
but
I
think
it's
important
now,
I
think
most
people
don't
realize
that
these
sorts
of
things
happen
because
they're
not
participating
in
them
in
any
way,
they're
just
being
regular
people
in
the
community
and
once
in
a
while,
might
feel
the
need
to
email,
their
city,
council
and
they're
very
polite
when
they
do
that.
A
But
that
is
not
always
the
case,
and
and
at
least
for
my
family.
We
have
this
discussion
periodically
with
my
husband
and
my
boys
and
my
extended
family
about
what
are
the
risks
and
what,
whether
it's
worth
it
I
I,
still
think
it's
worth
it
and
I
still
generally
feel
safe,
but
I
I
will
say
this
incident
with
Maggie
was
very
jarring.
A
It's
scary,
it's
very
serious
and
I
I.
Just
we're
going
to
have
some
difficult
discussions
tonight
bring
up
some
strong
opinions.
A
People
are
going
to
disagree,
but
just
keep
in
mind
that
we
all
got
to
live
and
work
and
be
around
and
love
one
another
after
today
and
on
to
tomorrow,
and
try
to
do
our
jobs
to
the
best
of
our
ability
and
that's
what
we're
doing
we're
all
doing
that
you're
doing
it
we're
doing
it.
We're
doing
it
because
we
believe
in
this
community.
A
Council
members
do
too
so
I
didn't
mean
to
bring
anyone
down
or
anything
like
that,
but
I
do
think
it's
important
to
sort
of
level
set
for
you
as
we
go
through
our
evening,
which
is
going
to
be
long.
So
thank
you
for
indulging
me
for
that
moment.
A
personal
privilege
I
appreciate
it.
Thank
you,
ladies
with
that,
would
you
please
rise
for
the
Pledge
of
Allegiance.
A
Okay,
we
have
a
number
of
folks
that
want
to
speak
tonight
on
the
proposed
bike.
Lanes
downtown.
That
item
is
on
our
agenda
as
a
presentation
only
in
no
action
by
Council.
So
we've
asked
those
folks
because
we
don't
take
public
comment
on
manager.
Presentations.
We've
asked
those
folks
to
speak
at
the
end
of
the
meeting
under
public
comment,
and
thank
you
for
for
doing
that.
I
know
that
can
be
a
little
bit
confusing
when
we
have
items
on
the
managers
report
where
we
don't
take
public
comment
turn
to
remember.
A
Oh,
the
other
thing
is
the
project
Aspire
or
one
Oak
Street,
which
is
public
hearing
item
a
is
going
to
be
continued
until
September
12th.
So
if
you
were
here
on
that
item
this
morning,
we
were
asked
to
continue
that
by
the
applicant
until
September,
12th
and
now
we're
ready
for
a
proclamation.
We
have
one
Proclamation
tonight
the
emergency
preparedness
month
and
I
see.
We've
got
Jeremy
Knighton
here,
division
chief
of
Emergency
Management
here
and
if
you
have
anybody
else
with
you
or
anyone
else
in
the
room
meet
me
down
by
the
microphone.
A
A
Preparedness
month,
occurring
annually
in
September,
creates
an
ideal
opportunity
for
every
resident
of
the
city
of
Asheville
to
join
communities
across
the
United
States
in
preparing
their
homes,
businesses
and
communities
for
any
type
of
emergency,
including
natural,
technological
and
human
caused.
And
whereas
the
Federal
Emergency,
Management
agency
or
FEMA
announced
the
September
emergency
preparedness
month
and
whereas
planning
now
before.
An
emergency
is
the
best
way
to
improve
Community
resiliency
from
emergencies.
A
And
whereas
we
commit
as
a
community,
to
non-discrimination
and
Equitable
citizen
participation
in
planning
for
and
responding
to
emergencies.
And
whereas,
when
residents
working
together
with
the
government,
take
responsibility
for
preparing
their
families
and
their
communities.
The
chance
of
survival
and
return
to
normalcy.
Following
an
emergency
is
greatly
increased.
A
And
whereas
the
city
of
Asheville
partners,
with
federal
state,
local,
tribal,
territorial,
private,
non-profit
and
Community
agencies
and
organizations
to
educate
communities
on
local
hazards
and
natural
disasters
and
how
to
prepare
for
them.
And
whereas
the
city
of
Asheville
is
committed
to
the
Equitable
disaster.
Relief
and
Recovery
Services
and
non-discrimination
to
all
communities
in
the
event
of
an
emergency
or
disaster.
A
C
So,
thank
you
so
much
I'll
be
brief.
We
did
just
spend
a
couple
hours
together
and
I
appreciate
that
I
appreciate
your
your
passion
for
continuous
Improvement
in
the
name
of
preparedness.
It's
the
most
important
thing
we
can
do
to
help
our
community,
not
only
in
the
way
we
respond,
but
the
way
we
recover
so
and
again,
like
I,
said
earlier.
A
disaster
and
incident
has
two
things
in
common:
it
begins
local
and
it
ends
local
and
it's
important
for
us
to
understand
that
the
local
nature
of
these
and
and
how
we're
affected
personally.
A
A
Up
to
speak
under
consent,
and
just
as
a
just
for
your
information
as
we
move
through
the
agenda
this
evening,
each
person
will
have
three
minutes
to
speak.
Just
watch
the
lights
on
the
lectern
green
means
go
orange
means
you're,
getting
close
to
the
end
and
red
and
the
buzzer
noise
means
stop.
Okay,
and
so
the
first
person
signed
up
to
speak
or
the
only
person
signed
to
speak
under
the
consent
agenda
is
Rusty.
Olsen.
A
B
A
G
I'm,
the
one
who
requested
that
we
remove
these
I
feel
really
strongly
that
we
need
to
be
doing
preventative
measures
and
not
just
response
measures
that
specifically
expand
that
were
on
drugs
and
in
trapping
and
snare
our
young
folks,
without
providing
alternative
solutions,
for
example,
withholding
the
Strategic
partnership
funds,
which
I
know
we're
getting
ready
to
talk
about
in
September,
so
I'm
the
one
who
requested
and
will
not
be
voting
to
support
them
at
this
time,
which
is
consistent
with
my
previous
votes
on
this
matter.
H
B
A
I
You
mayor
good
evening
again
we're
going
to
have
a
presentation.
It
will
be
an
update
on
the
2016
Bond
projects,
as
well
as
a
discussion
of
the
College
of
Patton
Avenue,
a
project,
the
bike
Lanes
project
with
the
Patton
Avenue
of
College
college
Patton,
Avenue
bike
project.
We
are
going
to
not
ask
for
a
vote
at
all,
but
just
to
identify
any
additional
concerns
that
you
all
have
before
we
move
to
the
next
phase,
which
would
be
the
bid
process.
F
Thank
you,
Miss
Campbell,
Jay,
Dundas
capital
projects
director.
Thank
you
mayor
and
city
council
for
the
time
this
afternoon,
yeah
I
this
it
will
be
heavy
on
bond
projects,
but
really
what
I
wanted
to
do
is
reflect
on
the
last
the
the
time
frame
of
the
bonds,
it's
2016
on
the
amount
of
work.
That's
been
done
in
the
city
of
Asheville,
just
in
general,
on
capital
projects
to
really
reflect
on
how
much
effort,
how
much
financial
support
we've
put
into
the
infrastructure.
F
Key
takeaways
today
are
significant
infrastructure.
Investments
have
been
made
over
the
last
seven
years
and
it
includes
a
combination
of
projects
and
2016
Bond
other
sources.
The
majority
of
the
November
16th
Bond
projects
are
complete
or
under
construction.
There
are
a
couple
that
I'll
talk
about
later.
That
need
to
be
you
that
will
provide
some
updates
on
the
path
forward
on
those
projects,
for
some
of
the
reasons
why
that
I'll,
explain
with
those
that
have
been
are
are
been
delayed.
A
little
bit
is
the
limited
contractor.
F
Availability
is
causing
issues
of
schedules
and
budgets.
Despite
all
that,
because
of
the
item
that
you
approved
in
consent,
item
e
issuance
of
bonds,
we're
going
to
remain
in
compliance
with
the
bond
deadlines,
even
though
projects
will
exceed
that
November
6
2023
date.
F
In
summary,
since
2016
again,
this
time
frame
represents
the
the
period
of
which,
from
which
we
had
the
issue,
the
referendum
for
approval
of
the
bond,
it
also
to
a
large
extent
represents.
Although
the
projects
that
I'll
mention
are
not
entirely
capital
projects,
it
also
represents
time
frame
for
which
capital
projects
department
has
been
in.
F
All
projects
completed
since
2016.
we're
at
about
100
over
150
million
dollars
a
spending
rate
of
about
21.5
million
dollars
per
year,
that
represents
about
56
projects
of
all
of
that
spending
and
the
total
projects.
A
subset
is
the
bond
projects
that
represents
about
50
of
those
funds
expended
and
the
projects
I
will
also,
as
you've
heard
me
before
and
you'll,
hear
me
again
talk
about
the
dashboard.
F
It
is
a
tool
that
we
put
together
internally
through
the
work
of
the
capital
projects,
management
teams
across
the
city
as
well
as
it,
and
this
is
our
report
out
system
for
a
communication
to
the
public
about
the
bonds.
It's
very
functional,
there's
a
lot
of
search,
different
search
opportunities
in
this
like
I,
said
my
theme
for
this.
F
This
presentation
is,
is
complete
or
getting
too
complete,
and
so
you
can
see
in
this
one
of
the
search
you
search
under
phase
there's
four
different
topics:
you
can
search
design,
planning,
completed
or
in
construction,
and
those
represent
the
various
phases
of
the
projects.
As
you
can
see
now,
I
said
that
we
had
30
Bond
projects.
Some
of
those
projects,
for
example,
are
city-wide.
There
were
several
Bond
ball
fields
done.
Bus
shelters
were
across
the
city,
there
were
lots
of
roads
that
were
reconstructed
so
all
those
those
represent
one
project.
F
So
again,
like
I,
said
I'm
going
to
quickly
run
through
this
I
know
you
have
a
long
night
and
I
want
to
be
respectful
of
that,
but
I
really
did
want
to
just
really
kind
of
timeline
where
we,
where
we've
come
in
the
last
16
or
last
since
2016.
The
first
project
that
we
was
completed
in
that
time
frame
was
the
velodrome.
Has
a
1.2
million
dollar
project,
also
you'll
notice
that
I've
listed
the
areas
of
town,
the
neighborhoods
in
which
these
projects
are
are
built
and
you'll.
F
See
in
this
is
there's
a
pretty
there's
a
distribution
across
the
city.
That
I
think
indicates
that
we've
we
did
a
pretty
good
job
understanding
that
we
need
to
spread
the
the
projects
far
and
wide.
So
this
is
the
velodrome.
I
also
noticed
that,
just
today
this
was
a
project
that
was
completed.
The
The
Lawn
Bowling
was
completed
immediately
after
the
velodrome
Improvement,
so
there's
two
projects
there.
The
first
Bond
project
I,
give
credit
to
Public
Works.
They
right
out
of
the
gates
started
tearing
up
Martin
Luther
King
Jr
Drive.
F
That
was
a
complete
reconstruction.
For
that
pavement.
It
built
a
complete
I
think
it
was
a
four
Lane
section
there,
four
or
four
lanes,
and
they
did
a
complete
streets
renovation.
There
I
did
some
sidewalk
improvements
as
well,
but
it
was
the
first
first
project
it's
about
eight
tenths
of
a
mile
and
represents
a
2.6
2.7
million
dollar
initial
investment
from
the
bond
2016
bond
package.
F
Another
project
in
the
Montford
neighborhood
was
tempehavior
Montford
Center.
This
playground
on
the
right
top
right
represents
a
brand
new
playground
and
a
brand
new
play
surface
for
that
community
and
that
Rec
Center.
The
Park
top
left
is
a
biocell
which
provides
storm
water
treatment
and
sustainability
in
an
otherwise.
What
I
think
was
an
entirely
asphalt
parking
lot,
sustainability
improvements,
then
there's
also
sport,
court
repairs.
So
a
lot
of
additional
outdoor
programming
possibilities
here
and
then
also
improve
the
entrance
to
the
to
the
facility.
F
Elsie's
bridge
is
one
of
a
few
projects
that
were
completed
in
the
South
Side
United
neighborhood,
most
recently
and
most
and
it's
in
the
presentation,
but
again
in
order
to
create
this
timeline.
I
had
to
pick
them
year
by
year.
So
this
is
South
Side.
This
was
a
Elsie's
Bridge.
We
took
a
bridge
that
was
otherwise
out
in
disuse.
It
was
I,
don't
exactly
know
what
function
it
supported
before,
but
we
converted
it
to
a
multimodal
connector.
It
connects
Ralph.
J
F
In
this
case,
this
downtown
community,
a
mix
of
residential
commercial
space
and
then
also
to
really
connect
with
other
utilities.
They
bring
money
to
the
table.
I
mean
we
helped.
The
MSD
was
part
of
this
project.
Very
varied
infrastructure
is
important
to
get
done
when
you're
in
the
midst
of
a
project.
So
you
don't
have
to
come
back
later
and
do
another
project.
Msd
was
a
partner
in
this
water
was
a
partner
in
this
and
we
were
able
to
get
Reconstruction
from
the
storefront
to
storefront.
A
F
Pieces
of
it
that
is
correct,
we
did
some
actually
MSD
did
utility
construction,
Down
College
Street,
our
our
limits
of
on
the
North
End
were
the
library
Plaza,
which
actually
is
in
the
right-hand
picture.
Here.
Msd
went
up
further
and
they
also
reconstructed
the
pavement
as
a
result
of
that
that
four
million
4.4
million
dollar
price
tag
does
represent
their
utilities
as
well.
We
just
bid
it
under
one
contract
and
managed
that
so
it
was
acceptable.
So
it
wasn't
all
our
bond
money
yeah.
That's.
A
F
Fire
station
four:
we
this
one
is
maybe
a
little
bit
under
the
radar,
but
it's
really
important
for
the
firefighters
that
are
in
the
Skyland
fire
station.
There's
a
Skyland
has
a
fire
station
down
there
and
for
those
that
don't
know,
fire
Asheville
Fire
has
a
presence
in
there.
F
This
is
a
combined
facility
and
prior
to
this
project,
every
alarm,
the
the
fire,
the
skyline
fire
department
and
the
City
of
Asheville
Department,
respond
to
different
alarms,
but
prior
to
this
project,
everglarm
woke
everybody
in
the
building
and
every
time,
and
so
what
this
project
did
was
separate
those
spaces
it
developed
a
a
a
living
space
so
that
the
Asheville
Firefighters
could
have
their
own
space
and
really
be
separated
from
the
noise
of
the
calls
from
the
other
for
the
other
department.
F
I
just
checked
with
I
hadn't
done
a
lot
of
checking,
but
I
was
able
to
check
with
Chief
Knight
and
Chief
wazinski,
and
they
said
that
all
of
the
expectations
of
this
fire
station
are
meeting
our
meeting
or
exceeding
what
was
expected.
When
we
started
out
again,
I
could
have
put
grant
Center
in
here,
but
I
needed
a
place
to
put
some
this
cool
artwork,
and
so
this
is
kind
of
the
the
area
between
downtown
and
Montford.
F
It's
kind
of
right
on
the
line
technically
it's
over
on
the
other
side
of
240,
so
it's
Montford.
But
this
is
a
most
recent
project.
A
local
artist
was
able
to
come
in
this
Street
this.
This
project
built
a
lot
of
urban
elements:
I'm,
not
a
skateboarder.
Don't
have
anybody
in
the
family,
but
I
understand
those
are
important
for
for
the
ability.
You
know
the
the
idea
of
steps
and
and
and
other
like
Urban
obstacles
that
you
might
need
to
incorporate
into
your
skating.
F
So
this
was
a
good
project
for
us
and
and
the
community
skating
community.
So
all
of
the
projects
up
to
this
point
in
time
represent
really
discrete
budgeted
projects.
One
project
that
I've
told
you
about
before,
but
we
have
actually
done
additional
work
on
it
since
then,
as
the
Linwood
Crump,
Shyla,
Community,
Center
and
park,
this
project
in
total
has
has
received
two
million
dollars
since
2019.,
and
those
improvements
have
come
in
investments
in
this
Center.
F
The
the
picture
on
the
left
shows
you
the
the
entrance
to
the
building
and
the
roof
and
there's
a
solar
array
most
recently,
the
most
recent
project
that
we've
just
installed
and
just
got
started
up
with
an
HVAC
for
the
gymnasium
I
I'm,
expecting
on
a
day
like
today,
a
90
plus
degree
day
that
that
gymnasium
in
the
past
would
not
be
usable
with
that
HVAC
system
working
that
they
could
play
basketball
or
whatever
other
activities.
E
F
Wanted
to
do
in
that
gym
without
any
kind
of
any
kind
of
challenge
whatsoever.
Additionally,
in
the
park
we've
spent
888
thousand
dollars
on
10
different
projects,
they're
they
they
dot
the
landscape
out
there,
and
it's
a
really
impressive
I
love
this
picture
on
the
right.
It
just
represents
the
color
and
the
improvements
too,
but
actually,
in
the
background,
the
more
recent
picture
we
showed
a
parking
lot
where
those
trucks
are
parked
and
it's
brand
new
as
well.
F
So
that's
and
there's
a
sidewalk
project
being
built
out
there
right
now
as
part
of
the
bond
package.
A
I
just
want
to
add
to
say
historical
context
here
if
I
understand
the
history
right,
the
the
original
use
of.
What's
now,
the
Shiloh
Community
Center
was
an
African-American
school
that
during
this
I
think
during
desegregation
was
and
and
as
is
true
for
a
lot
of
city
parks
and
rec
facilities,
now
were
formerly
African-American
schools.
So
this
now
the
city
has
ownership
of,
and
so
I'm
glad
to
see
our
our
that
this
Bond
was
able
to
be
used
to
make
investments
in
the
community
and
I
just
think.
A
That's
kind
of
a
piece
of
History,
not
everybody,
might
know
about
with
Asheville
and
that
relationship
to
desegregation
of
the
education
system.
F
We've
also
that's
appreciate
you
mentioning
that
mayor,
we're
also
investing
in
the
Stevens
Lee
Center
as
well,
and
we
have
identified
working
with
our
CED
community
and
economic
development.
The
possibility
of
using
long
in
the
future
Community
Development
block
grant
funds
for
investments
in
our
infrastructure.
Stevens
Lee
is
an
example
of
where
we've
done
that
we
are.
We've
got
a
great
group
up
there
right
now.
F
E
F
And
again
this
this
is
not
a
bond.
Probably
this
is
not
discreetly
funded.
This
is
a
collection
of
projects,
and
so
we
know
we
can.
We
can
make
a
huge
impact
in
in
in
incremental
ways
as
well
and
then
just
to
kind
of
quickly
go
through
some
other
projects.
We
built
two
restrooms
with
the
bond
funding.
This
is
a
this
Jake
rusher
Park
represents
a
project
that
actually
had
private
contract
contributions.
The
grant
Center
was
we've
just
recently
cut
the
ribbon
on
that.
It's
a
it's
a
great
Improvement
well
used.
F
It
was
being.
It
was
amazing
to
see
people
in
the
gym.
Kids
I
think
maybe
wrestling
practice
the
day
that
we
were
there,
so
that
was
that
was
fun
and
then
the
traffic
Improvement,
okay,
Fulton
Street,
is
a
small
commute
sidewalk
another
MSD.
This
was
not
a
partnership.
This
wasn't
combined
contract,
but
they
actually
they
they
postpone
a
reconstruction
project
for
us.
Actually,
they
built
the
sewer.
F
It
really
wasn't
impactful
for
that
for
that
street
Reed
Creek
is
another
example
of
where
we
partnered
with
a
developer
and
were
able
to
build
for
321
thousand
dollars
much
more
of
this
Trail,
because
this
I
think
picture
on
the
right
here
represents
the
area
behind
that
that
apartment
complex,
which
the
developer
had
a
financial
contribution
to
and
then
facilities
just
kind
of
give
you
some
forewarning
that
throughout
the
fall,
you
will
hear
a
lot
more
about
facilities,
we're
getting
ready
to
complete
the
facility
study
that
Walter
here
has
talked
to
you
about.
F
In
the
past,
we
plan
on
coming
back
and
telling
you
the
all
the
results
of
that
and
so
be
prepared,
but
in
the
meantime
we
have
been
able
to
actually
put
some
money
into
our
facilities.
We
do
have
facilities
that
are
aging
and
need
some
need.
A
lot
of
attention.
We
I.
We
attended
a
the
meeting
yesterday
for
Thomas
Wolfe.
It
is
one
of
a
large
inventory
of
buildings
that
we
have
and
we
we
need
to
invest
in
them.
F
Just
point
out
that
this
thing
is
not
artistically
lean
to
one
side.
It's
just
the
building
was
was
off
and
I
needed
to
straighten
the
building,
all
right
so
path
forward.
So,
as
I'd
mentioned,
is
that
we
have
several
projects
on
the
bond
list
that
are
not
awarded
at
this
point
in
time,
but
we
do
have
a
plan
for
getting
them
a
work.
The
design
completed
awarded
and
to
counsel
for
authors
are
for
approval.
F
The
two
two
sidewalks
that
have
not
been
bid
at
this
point
in
time
are
new
Hawk,
Creek
and
Johnston
boulevards
right
now,
the
the
current
challenges
and
I
say
challenges
just
because
they're
they're
processes
that
we
are
working
through
our
DOT
review.
They
have
to
review
the
design
and
and
even
the
acquisition
piece
for
right-of-way.
That
is
a
fairly
lengthy
process.
F
It's
all
submitted
to
Raleigh
that
that
process
is,
is
we're
getting
we're
getting
to
the
point
where
we're
ready
to
submit
and
they'll
do
the
review
right
away
acquisition
will
come
to
Council
in
September
for
action
items
on
several
properties
that
are
going
to
be
recommended
for
condemnation.
F
Is
it's
not
several
properties,
several
portions
of
properties
as
those
right-of-ways
that
we
need
in
order
to
build
the
pro
the
project
potential
challenges
which
I'll
get
into
as
it's
affected,
Us
in
the
past
and
then
hear
more
recently,
as
better
turnout
is
still
very
limited
and
we're
seeing
that
those
are
affecting
pricing
and
scheduling.
F
We
anticipate
this
this
being
bid
in
January
February.
I
would
like
to
repeat,
though,
because
you
approved
the
issuance
of
the
Geo
bonds
at
itemy
and
the
consent
agenda
that
that
allows
us
to
issue
the
bonds
in
anticipation.
Have
these
projects
awarded
after
that
November
6th
date?
What.
A
F
Yes,
I
think
all
of
the
above
I
think,
maybe
potentially
even
worker
availability
are
there
there
there's
just
not
a
capacity
yeah
yeah,
that's
really
what
we're
finding
out
and
and
as
we
see
and
they'll
show
on
the
next
slide
and
and
the
the
challenge
the
more
challenging
the
project,
the
less
likely
they
are
a
bit
on
the
next
slide.
We
do
anticipate
construction
of
these
projects
in
Spring
of
2024,
starting
in
Spring
of
2024
Patton
Avenue
is
our
challenging
project.
F
It's
high
traffic
it'd
be
night
work,
it's
it's
on
a
DOT
roadway
and
that
that
this
project
literally
bid
twice
and
had
zero
bitters
I've,
never
experienced
that
before
most
of
the
time
we
at
least
get
one
on
the
second
bid
and,
and
so
the
limited.
F
Been
a
relatively
new
phenomenon:
it's
something
that
we
dealt
with
in
the
past.
It
seemed
to
go
away,
and
now
it's
now
it's
back
in
full
force,
but
Patton
Avenue
was
one
that
was
surprising.
We
are
recommending
what
I'm
calling
postponement
of
these
projects
and
and
that's
just
to
have
them
potentially
rebid
after
New
Hawk,
Creek
and
Johnston
Boulevard.
We
really
want
to
see
how
those
prices
come
in,
and
so
we
can
be
informed
when
we
go
back
out
to
bid
these
projects.
F
Airport
Road
only
received
one
bid
bitter
one
bid,
rather
after
two
two
bids
after
it
was
bid
twice,
and
the
pricing
on
that
one
was
double
the
engineers
estimate.
So
it
was
a
million
million
dollar.
I
believe
estimate
we
came
in
about
so
those
are
again
things
that
we
need
to
really
try
to
figure
out
the
financial
aspects
of
that
as
well
and
again,
we're
probably
we're
postponing
the
re-bids
until
February
or
March,
and
still
anticipate
construction
next
spring
start
a
construction
next
spring
and
fall.
F
We
did
bid
I
hope
to
bring
you
good
news
on
swannano
River
Greenway
today,
but
we
did
bid
it
on
last.
Thursday
got
one
bid
by
law
by
State
Statute.
We
cannot
open
one
bid
on
the
first
bid
so
and
we'll
allow
another
three
to
four
weeks.
For
that
we'll
reopen,
hopefully
we'll
have
more
bids
in
a
competitive
situation
and
be
able
to
open
those
at
that
time
and.
F
Be
able
to
open
them
but
have
good
results
and
then
the
only
other
project
that
we
have
out
there
for
that
has
Bond
funding
and
it
is
the
greenway
connector
on
South
Side
Avenue
that
Greenway
connector
is
is
being
built
right
now,
with
anticipation
of
connecting
the
nasty
Branch
Greenway,
which
actually
still
under
design
to
a
future
downtown
potentially
bow
Catcher
Type
kinetic
connection
on
the
on
the
east
side.
So
again
we're
we're
proposing
to
bid.
E
F
October
or
November
and
hope
to
have
a
good
video
turnout
and
pricing
at
that
time.
If
we
don't
again
kicking
the
kicking
the
projects,
the
patent
Avenue
and
the
airport
road
into
the
winter
bid
time
frame,
that
might
mean
that
there's
more
capacity
out
there
out
there
we're
hoping
or.
F
Please
bring
the
bids
so
key.
Takeaways
is,
despite
the
the
last
few
slides.
We
have
made
huge
investments
in
this
in
the
in
the
city
over
the
last
seven
years,
Bond
and
other
sources
of
funding
most
of
those
projects,
most
of
the
bond
projects
are
complete
or
currently
under
construction.
Limited
contractor
capacity
availability
is
a
big
challenge
for
us
right
now
and,
despite
with
items
approval
on
the
consent
agenda,
we
will
be
compliant
with
bonds.
Avian
awarding
after
the
the
numbers,
November
6th.
G
Have
two
thank
you
being
able
to
follow
along
and
point
back
to
the
dashboard
throughout
the
bond
process
has
been
a
tremendous
tool
for
myself
and
for
community
members
who
have
questions.
G
The
question
that
I
had
from
the
agenda
briefing
on
Thursday
is
I
know
the
bond
bus
shelters
are
an
example
of
a
question
of
we
did
them
early
in
the
bond
process.
Are
they
still
up?
What
does
the
inventory
look
like
in
our
investment
today,
since
the
ones
we
started
early,
yeah.
F
It
was
a
great
question
and
I
appreciate
that
we
we
did
look
at
kind
of
did
a
sampling
of
the
of
the
shelters
they
do
appear
to
be
in
this
condition
that
we
would
expect
them
to
be
after
five
or
six
years.
They,
the
ones
that
really
stood
out
were
the
ones
along
Tunnel.
Road
I
did
some
looking
back
to
when
those
structures
weren't
there
and
they
they
are
huge
improvements
for
the
the
transit
routes,
but
they
are
still
in
good
shape
the
shape
we
would
expect
them
to
be
in.
G
And
then
the
second
thing
I
had
is
a
backup
plan.
Sometimes
when
we
have
funds
that
are
restricted
by
a
timeline,
we
often
in
a
very
hurried
response
have
to
come
up
with
a
backup
plan.
Do
we
already
have
a
backup
plan
for
if
these
bids
can't
go
out
if
we
run
into
more
deadlines,
I'm
immediately
thinking
about
Shiloh
having
solar
is
fantastic,
but
without
a
battery
those
won't
work.
G
F
That's
that's
a
great
question
from
the
the
bound
categories
is
Bond
specific
Bond
categories
were
Transportation,
affordable,
housing
and
parks,
and
really
the
the
funding
has
to
be.
It
can
be
moved
around
within
those
categories,
but
it
needs
to
stay
within
that
type
of
category,
so
Parks
has
been
mostly
spent,
and
so
so
there
wouldn't
I.
If,
if
that
were
going
to
be
an
applicable
project
like
batteries
for
in
the
example,
it
would
have
to
be
from
excess,
Parks
funding,
I
would
say
from
a
Transportation
standpoint.
F
Our
backup
plan
would
be
more
resurfacing,
for
example,
is
that
is
one
example,
because
we
can
always
do
more
resurfacing,
but
we
really
have
reserved
all
of
the
remaining
funds
to
to
see
whether
or
not
we
can
financially
support
the
the
balance
of
those
projects,
because.
G
Obviously
I
imagine
the
community
would
say
we
have
a
long
list
of
needs
for
neighborhood
sidewalk
infrastructure.
Wouldn't
we
do
that,
but
then,
if
we
have
to
start
a
new
bid
process
that
could
that's,
maybe
not
the
Urgent
fast
response.
We
did
look
at
years
ago,
suggesting
at
Transit
stops
having
a
fold
down
seat
from
stop
posts.
I
just
wasn't
sure
if
things
like
that
can
go
in
the
same
list
and
I
don't
want
to
take
up
any
more
time
today.
I
just
hope
that
we
have
a
backup.
I
You
thank
you
Jay
and
I
should
have
said
these
in
my
opening
comments,
but
we
have
been
doing
this
on
a
kind
of
a
quarterly
basis
related
to
Capital
Improvement
projects.
Just
to
keep
you
all
informed,
so
they're
being
kind
of
no
surprises
as
we
move
forward
and
bring
items
for
you
all
for
consideration.
So
just
wanted
to
add
that
well.
A
And
before
Jessica
starts,
I
I
just
wanted
to
add
on
the
so
2016
was
the
first
significant
bond
package
that
the
voters
approved
in
Asheville
since
I
think
since
the
19th
and
1980s,
and
so
we
hope
this
is
the
beginning
of
a
regular
Bond,
Geo
Bond
cycle
like
a
lot
of
healthy
cities.
Utilize
and
one
of
the
things
when,
when
I,
when
we
were
advocating
for
these
bonds
before
that
vote
and
I
had
kind
of
a
dog
and
pony
show
all
over
town.
That,
like
three
people
would
come
to
in
each
location.
But.
A
So
that
was
good,
you
know
people
would
say
well
how
do
we
know
these
projects
are
actually
going
to
happen?
Where's
the
accountability
and
so
I
really
appreciate
that
the
City
built
this
website,
so
everyone
could
track
all
of
the
projects
and
if
you
click
on
those
a
lot
of
them
have
contacts
in
the
department.
A
If
you
had
questions,
you
could
there's
a
person
you
could
reach
out
to
and
so
overall
very
positive
response
and
that's
really
important,
because
we're
going
to
do
it
again
in
2024
we're
going
to
put
together
we're
doing
a
community
survey
and
we're
going
to
put
together
some
bought
packages
and
I
think
you
know
we.
We
have
some
general
idea
about
what
what
they
might
look
like,
but
but
hopefully
people
will
say:
okay,
we
did
this
before.
A
K
K
Key
takeaways
are
that
we
have
a
lot
of
City
plans
and
policies
that
call
directly
for
more
bike
facilities,
both
in
the
central
business
district
and
across
the
city.
This
project
will
be
connecting
to
not
only
existing
bike
facilities
but
future
ones
as
well
as
Greenways.
We
started
community
in
stakeholder
engagement
back
in
February
of
2022,
and
almost
a
year
ago
we
provided
a
brief
update
to
city
council
and
staff
was
asked
to
do
more
engagement,
enhanced
engagement
activities,
which
we
did
from
that
point
on
through
basically
through
now.
K
So
throughout
the
process
we
have
Incorporated
design
changes
iteratively,
as
we've
heard
input
and
feedback
from
stakeholders
in
the
community.
The
project
is
currently
budgeted
in
the
capital
Improvement
plan,
and
tonight
we
are
seeking
some
input
from
Council
prior
to
us
continuing
on
to
the
next
stage
of
the
project,
which
would
be
to
issue
a
bid
in
October.
K
This
slide
is
a
timeline
and
calls
out
some
of
the
plans
and
policies
that
we
have
that
speak
to
multimodal
infrastructure
and
specifically
bike
Lanes.
The
2009
downtown
master
plan
talks
about
having
continuous
bicycle
and
pedestrian
routes
that
are
tied
to
Regional
bike
and
Pad
systems.
We
also
adopted
a
complete
streets
policy
in
2012..
Complete
streets
are
designed
and
operated
to
support,
safe
mobility
for
all
users,
so
that
includes
all
modes
all
ages
and
all
abilities
complete.
K
This
quote
here
is
just
one
from
the
complete
streets
policy
and
it
says
that
that
we
should
seek
to
apply
incrementally
on
existing
streets
facilities
for
all
modes
and
and
then
we
followed
up
in
2016
with
the
Asheville
in
motion
Mobility
plan,
and
that
is
the
overarching
transportation
plan
for
the
city,
and
it
does
recommend
that
there
be
the
installation
of
bike
Lanes
on
College
college
and
Patton
Avenue
in
downtown
between
clingman
and
Biltmore,
and
also
just
to
note.
This
would
connect
to
a
future
planned
bike
lane
on
Biltmore.
K
That
is
intended
to
go
between
Patton
and
south
side
and
then,
lastly,
the
living
Asheville
comp
plan,
which
is
the
most
recent
one.
Further
further
seeks
to
advance
bike
facilities
and
allow
for
an
increase
in
the
number
of
households
that
would
be
within
a
reasonable
distance
of
a
bicycle
facility.
K
So
this
map,
essentially
what
we're
trying
to
show,
is
that
this
project
is
part
of
an
overall
vision
and
it's
part
of
an
existing
Vision.
But
it's
also
part
of
a
future
future
Vision,
the
red
and
the
very
center
is
the
proposed
project
and
the
solid
green
lines
and
solid
blue
lines
represent
existing
biplanes
and
existing
Greenways,
and
then
the
dashed
lines
represent
planned
bike
lanes
and
Greenways.
So
you
can
see
that
the
intention
here
is
to
create
essentially
a
keystone.
K
So,
just
to
get
a
little
bit
more
into
this,
the
specific
details
of
this
project,
The
Proposal,
is
that
this
would
be
a
bike
lane
on
the
left
side
of
the
street,
which
seems
a
little
a
little
different.
But
since
these
are
one-way
streets,
this
is
actually
the
recommended
best
practice
for
bike
facilities
on
one-way
streets
there,
because
we
have
constrained
right-of-way
and
we
don't,
you
know,
intend
to
widen
the
roadway.
K
So
this
project
is
being
proposed
again,
because
this
is
it's
going
to
connect
to
existing
and
future
facilities.
It
is
the
collagen
patent,
are
the
main
and
only
East-West
streets
that
connect
through
downtown
and
Beyond.
So
there
are
future
plans
to
have
bike
facilities
on
Tunnel
Road.
The
I-26
project
is
going
to
be
bringing
bike,
facilities
and
Greenways
over
the
Bowen
bridge
and
into
town,
and
so
this
project
would
eventually
connect
to
those
as
far
as
capital
projects
go.
This
is
a
very
low
cost.
High
value
bicycle
facility.
K
K
There
were
a
variety
of
ways
that
we
tried
to
reach
out
to
folks,
directly
and
and
broader
to
the
public.
We
had
virtual
stakeholder
meetings,
walking
tours
press
releases,
of
course,
a
project
website.
We
had
several
meetings
with
both
the
downtown
commission,
the
multimodal
commission,
public
Space
Management
committee
and
then
more
recently,
this
year.
I
just
wanted
to
highlight
some
of
the
things
we've
done,
trying
to
dig
in
a
little
deeper
with
stakeholders
and
those
that
are
directly
on
the
on
both
of
the
corridors.
K
We
met
early
and
early
in
the
year
in
January
and
met
with
some
business
owners,
and
we
thought
that
it
would
be
helpful
to
Pro
to
do
one
big
public
meeting,
so
we
planned
that
and
executed
that
on
April
19th
and
also
part
of
that
we
had
developed
and
put
out
a
public
survey
that
was
meant.
That
was
also
provided
at
that
open
house
and
the
online
survey.
We
included
a
link
to
the
results
here.
K
You
know,
keep
in
mind
public
surveys
like
this
are
just
one
form
of
Engagement
that
we
do
and
it's
not
meant
to
capture.
Of
course,
every
every
public
sentiment
out
there
in
the
city,
but
we
also
wanted
to
try
to
get
a
little
bit
more
input
broadly
from
the
community.
So
we
did
radio
interviews
with
wres
and
we
had
the
survey
and
information
about
the
project
at
grind,
Fest
and
and
then,
of
course,
the
the
survey
results
were
put
on
the
project
website.
K
Just
some
highlights
from
the
survey
we
had
642
participants
and
we
found
that
most
of
those
that
responded
to
the
survey
use
College
patent,
either
daily
or
multiple
times
a
day.
I'm
sorry
30
of
those
folks
use
it
daily
or
multiple
times
per
day
and
about
half
of
the
respondents
use
it
weekly.
The
primary
modes
of
those
participants
were
car,
walk
and
bike,
top
three
reasons
that
these
respondents
use.
These
corridors
number
one
visit,
shops
and
businesses
and
then
number
two
and
number
three
are
primarily
about
getting
through
and
around
downtown.
K
The
top
three
challenges
were
reported
that
there's
number
one:
no
bike
facilities
number
two
too
much
traffic
and
number
three.
It
is
difficult
to
cross
the
street
as
a
pedestrian
and
then
the
three
most
important
things
that
the
respondents
noted
were
pedestrian,
accommodation,
bicycle
facilities
and
traffic
calming
to
slow
vehicle
speeds.
K
This
is
meant
to
highlight
some
of
the
top
concerns
that
we
heard
from
both
direct
stakeholders
and
the
broader
public
and
loading
zones
was
definitely
one
of
the
things
that
we
heard
a
lot
of
concerns
about
and
how
low
delivery
trucks
park
in
double
Park
in
in
the
lanes.
So
we
worked
to
make
some
changes
to
the
locations
of
loading
zones
and
we've
added
about
130
new
feet
of
loading
zone
by
extending
some
and
adding
adding
one
I
think
one
new
one,
and
but
we
did
not
remove
any
loading
zones
parking.
K
K
K
Okay,
so
timeline
just
to
reiterate
kind
of
starting
back
from
2016.
That's
when
our
Asheville
emotion,
Transportation
plan
was
adopted
as
time
passed.
Of
course,
working
on
all
those
lovely
projects
that
Jade's
team
has
been
been
doing.
We
got
together
to
start
talking
about
the
concept
and
moving
into
concept
design
in
the
fall
summer
and
fall
of
2021,
and
we
started
our
engagement
in
February
of
2022.
K
We
have
finalize
the
design,
which
includes
changes
that
we've
made
based
on
public
input
and
tonight
is
where
we
would
like
to
get
some
Council
feedback
before
we
move
towards
preparing
and
issuing
bid
documents.
K
Assuming
that
we
move
forward,
then
we
would
issue
the
bid
and
come
back
to
council
for
consideration
of
a
contract
to
install
the
project
so
key
takeaways
again
that
we
have
existing
plans
and
policies
that
call
for
more
bike
facilities.
This
will
connect
existing
and
future
facilities.
L
First,
thank
you.
Jessica
I
have
a
question:
could
you
sort
of
explain
to
us
how,
with
one
lane
going
down
the
street
and
we
have
buses
and
we
have
EMS
vehicles
and
we
have
service
vehicles
and
I'm
trying
to
figure
out?
How
could
you
show
us
how
all
of
those
work
when
you
know
when
it's
not
perfect
timing
or
whatever?
Could
you
show
us
how
that
works,
I'm,
sort
of
confused
about
that.
K
Yeah,
okay,
so
I
know
that
I
know
that
it
seems
like
it
wouldn't
work
and
I
I
think
that
what
you
have
to
remember
is
that
the
curb
distances
are
not
changing,
so
we're
not
moving
any
curbs
there
will
be
bus
stops
will
not
be
impacted
since
the
travel,
since
the
bicycle
lane
will
be
on
the
left
hand,
side.
That
was
another
reason
why
we
sought
to
put
it
on
the
left
hand
side.
K
You
know
there
there's.
There
are
definitely
going
to
be
times
when,
during
peak
times
there
could
be
backups
just
like
there
are
on
many
of
our
streets
during
peak
times,
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
worked
with
the
fire
department
on
is
making
sure
that
the
bicycle
lane
itself,
including
the
buffer
space
between
the
vehicle
Lane
and
the
bicycle
lane,
was
going
to
be
wide
enough
to
accommodate
emergency
vehicles
if
they,
if
it
was
necessary.
K
M
I
don't
know
if
that
is
all
your
questions.
I'm
sorry,
do
you
mean
they'll
like
drive
over
the
bollards.
K
N
N
O
K
So
if
you,
if
you
think
of
Haywood.
P
A
K
I
was
just
gonna
note
that
Lexington
Haywood
Street
Biltmore
Avenue
between
I-240
and
college,
are
all
one
lane
roads.
One
lane
in
each
Direction
and
Biltmore,
for
example,
has
twice
the
amount
of
traffic
and
there's
nowhere.
This
will
actually
provided
more
space
for
emergency
vehicles
to
maneuver.
If
needed,
then
even
those
those
streets
do
has.
N
K
Correct
we,
of
course,
all
projects
we
work
with
all
departments
on
including
fire
and
police
Asheville
Fire
Department
has
indicated
that
they
do
not
have
any
concerns
and
both
the
fire
department
and
the
police
department
have
been
supportive
of
Road
diets.
The
Charlotte
Street
has
shown
that
that
emergency
access
has
been
improved
and
response
times
have
been
improved
and
initial
results
from
the
Merriman
project
suggests
the
same
as
well.
So
you
know
we,
it
sometimes
feels
counterintuitive,
but
it
actually
can
have
a
positive
impact.
R
I
In
the
follow-up
information,
we
have
a
response
that
includes
the
first
phase
by
race
we
weren't
able-
because
you
know
your
question
came
in
yesterday.
We
we
didn't
have
time
to
do
all
of
the
other
analysis,
but
it's
coming
we'll.
I
I
R
So
I'd
be
interested
in
knowing
that
and
the
reason
I'm
asking
that
is
because
often
when
it
comes
to
will
not
just
these
kind
of
things,
we
use
racial
equity
as
a
reason
behind
it
and
then,
when
I'm
in
the
community.
R
If
I
heard
someone
come
up
and
say
if,
although
we
had
black
Lanes
so
I'm,
just
wondering
what
that
difference
is
because
I
see
in
letters
that
we
get
much
is
made
of
like
the
proximity
to
Lee,
Walker,
Heights,
well,
Maple,
crust
or
other
places,
but
I'm,
not
so
certain
that
the
folks
in
those
communities
have
the
same
thought.
In
fact,
someone
said
something
very
Stark
to
me.
R
R
R
So,
even
though
we're
not
losing
any
handicap
Lanes,
the
loss
of
any
parking
could
be
a
potential
problem
for
folks
and
when
she
and
I
were
talking.
I
honestly
started
thinking
about
my
father,
so
he
was
not
wheelchair-bound,
but
he
required
a
walker.
I
drive
a
small
card,
so
if
we
get
rid
of
parking,
it
would
effectively
exclude
certain
members
of
our
community
from
that
part.
So
she
gave
me
permission.
L
Yeah
and
and
also
like
internet,
said,
I,
basically
surveyed
a
lot
of
the
people
in
the
community,
not
only
the
black
communities
or
whatever,
but
just
the
downtown
people
that
basically
had
you
know,
interest
invested
in
their
business
or
whatever
I
could
definitely
see
where
this
issue
would
definitely
affect
them,
and
also
because,
basically
about
downtown
a
lot
of
people,
don't
go
downtown
because
they
say
say:
there's
no
parking,
I
don't
go
downtown
because
it
stores
locals
so
and
I'm
not
concerned
about.
L
As
far
as
tourists
or
whatever
I'm
concerned,
about
locals,
being
able
to
utilize
our
downtown
and
many
people
say
they
do
not
come
because
they
can't
have
parking
or,
like
I
said
we
have
a
shortage
of
handicap
and
Ada
parking
anyway.
So
if
anything
I
prefer
to
use,
though,
that
parking
for
that
use
particular
use.
L
The
now
one
thing
I'm
concerned
about
too
is
actually
the
impact
on
these
businesses.
We
have
to
take
in
consideration
that
when
we
make
these
decisions
we
make
them
looking
at
holistically
as
a
community
as
a
whole
and
not
small
groups
of
people.
That
basically
would
be
utilizing
the
bike
lanes,
and
this
is
the
thing
about
what
I
don't
understand
is
this.
L
Is
we
have
bike
Lanes
all
over
this
city
and
it's
growing
and
the
greenway
is
everywhere
and
so
I'm
the
type
person
I
am
against
it
coming
down
the
main
their
Affairs
on
in
our
town,
Patton,
Avenue
and
Biltmore.
Those
are
main
streets.
How
come?
L
We
cannot
get
a
plan
where
these
a
bicycle
paths
actually
connect
on
the
outer
some
of
the
smaller
outer
cities.
I
mean
out
of
streets,
because
that
way
to
me
you
say
you
want
to
make
the
downtown
accessible
to
Bicycle
riders
or
whatever.
L
What
is
the
difference
in
me,
parking
in
the
parking
garage
and
having
to
walk
a
couple
of
blocks
to
get
anywhere
I
got
to
go
and
them
and
bikers
being
able
to
come
to
downtown
access
it
from
some
of
the
side
streets
park
there
and
walk
in
just
like
we
do
what
I'm?
That's?
That's
the
whole
thing
is
I'm
not
against
multiple
mobile
and
transportation
I'm,
not
against
it,
but
I'm,
saying
that
what
they're
doing
here
to
me
does
not
make
sense
for
this
community
because
it
what
it
does
it
it
sort
of.
L
Just
to
me
it
disrupts
the
whole
city
itself.
The
business
Community
like
I,
said
the
people
that
are
here.
Of
course,
you
got
the
people
talk
about
tourists,
we're
doing
everything
for
tourists.
Well,
the
tourists
are
already
down
here
and
they're,
not
they
they're
not
going
to
be
bringing
their
bicycles
on
trips.
They're
not
going
to
be.
L
You
say
to
me,
and
so
what
I'm
concerned
about
is
the
people
here
and
our
livelihood
and
how
we
can
make
sure
that
our
city
is
sustainable,
and
then
you
talk
about
the
traffic
itself
if
you're
sitting,
you
know
we're
real
concerned
about
the
carbon
emissions
and
trying
to
reduce
carbon
emissions
traffic.
Basically,
when
traffic
backs
up
cars
emit
more
carbon
than
they
would
when
they're
traveling
or
in
in
motion.
So
so
to
me,
that's
going
against
the
one
thing
that
we're
trying
to
do
so.
L
I
will
not
be
supporting
the
bicycle.
Lane
as
it
is
and
like
I
said,
if
they
could
maybe
look
into
a
way
that
they
can
sort
of
you
know
utilize,
the
outer
or
the
side
streets,
then
maybe
it
would
be
something
that
I
could
wrap
my
mind
around.
Thank
you.
Sandra.
G
I
really
appreciate
some
of
the
concerns
that
you
named.
It
made
me
think
about
how
we're
so
far
behind
that
Our
arteries
are
clogged,
and
it
takes
that
moment
to
be
like
we
have
like.
We
have
to
change
how
we
do
things
for
people
to
move
safely.
For
the
past
15
years,
we've
been
at
the
top
three
of
most
bicycle
and
pedestrian
accent,
ratio
in
the
state
of
North
Carolina,
and
that
includes
people
when
they
get
out
of
their
cars
when
they
park
downtown
and
they're
crossing
the
crosswalk,
they
become
a
pedestrian.
G
That
will
go
to
places
where
people
convene
for
resources,
which
is
downtown,
but
they
won't
be
safe
once
they
get
there.
And
so
for
me,
this
is
about
making
sure
we
unclog
Our
arteries
that
our
streets
are
designed
for
everyone
to
use
them
safely
and
I
do
hear
the
concerns
about
bike
Lanes
being
gentrification,
because
we
haven't
shored
up
our
neighborhoods,
like
we
could
have
in
advance
of
the
infrastructure
that
we
need.
I
think
this
is
an
opportunity
to
both
and
that's
why
I'm
appreciated
that
the
comprehensive
plan
is
named.
G
R
R
Another
black
man
came
through
and
the
gentleman
who
came
through
is
an
avid
cyclist,
so
he
was
asking
my
friend,
hey
man,
you
need
to
get
a
bike,
and
so
I
engaged
and
I
said.
Oh,
this
is
great.
R
Do
you
know
about
astral
on
bikes
and
you
just
kind
of
gave
me
a
weird
look
like
move
on
from
that
discussion
and
I
asked
him
where
he
wrote
and
would
he
ride
downtown
with
bike
lanes,
and
his
answer
was
no
felt
that
downtown
has
so
long
not
been
for
us
so
and
then
I
asked
if
the
group
utilized
Cox
Avenue,
and
he
said
he
had,
but
never
actually
using
the
Lanes.
L
L
Yeah
yeah:
it's
because
the
business
Community
has
been
impacted
and,
and
most
of
the
people
say
they
very
they
see
very
few
bikes,
but
yet
and
still
the
traffic
is
backed
up
at
certain
times
of
day.
You
know,
and
and
that
is
very
frustrating
and
what
is
also
causing
people
to
take
the
side
streets.
L
So
so
all
we're
doing
rather
than
trying
to
to
sort
of
deal
with
the
issue
on
these
main
streets,
because
no
one
wants
to
ride
on
these
main
streets
on
that
bike
because
of
the
the
fumes
from
the
cars
and
from
the
dangers
and
I
think
that
the
more
we
sort
of
try
to
what
do
you
call
increased
bike,
Lanes
in
high
traffic
area,
I
think
you're
looking
at
accidents
waiting
to
happen
and
then
what
I
just
really
do
I
think
we're
setting
up
a
perfect
storm
when
we
invite
bicycles
into
high
traffic
areas
like
I,
said:
I'm
not
concerned
about
the
areas
that
are
not
as
a
high
traffic
or
whatever,
but
in
high
traffic
area.
M
But
we
do
have
some
traffic.
We
do
have
some
data
that
it
is
safety.
It
is
safer
like
sometimes
I,
try
and
think
about.
Oh,
they
can't
hear
you
sometimes
I,
try
and
think
you
know.
How
did
this
become
cars
versus
bikes?
When
really
it's
a
safety
thing
and
if
the,
if
the
lane
was
for
picnic
tables,
would
we
feel
different
like
we
did
in
covid?
M
Is
it
the
bikes
themselves,
sort
of
the
problem
and
I
really
can't
tell
it's
become
quite
I'm
surprised
at
the
breadth
of
this
conversation
in
the
community
and
I
want
to
acknowledge:
I
am
not
on
any
transportation
or
multimodal
committee.
So
my
exposure
to
this
planning
process
has
been
limited,
despite
being
very,
very
involved
in
downtown,
so
it
struck
me
like
the
downtown
master
plan.
I
guess
talked
about
it
in
2009
and
we're
getting
ready
to
update
that
and
I
assume.
M
M
So
can
you
talk
to
me
about
these
future
purple
and
line
the
future
planned
bike
lanes
that,
because,
when
I
look
at
this,
the
green
is
existing
so
much
to
the
Chagrin
of
all
those
businesses
in
around
Pritchard
Park,
they
really
are
like
the
main
Cog
to
make
everything
work.
That
is
green
and
then
are
these
purple
bike
Lanes
like
10
years
out
next
year.
What's
the?
What
are
we
looking
at
here.
K
Like
third,
so
I-26
I
mean
the
the
designs,
for
that
are
happening,
have
happened
right
and
they
do
include
Greenways
and
bike
facilities,
because.
K
Okay,
correct
and,
and
a
part
of
that
too,
that
I
would
like
to
mention
is
the
I'll
say
the
existing
close
down
unused
Bridge
pedestrian
bridge
that
comes
over
from
Hillcrest
over
that
is
going
to
be
rebuilt
for
all.
K
I-26
and
that's
what
this
pink
okay
thing
is
supposed
to
is
supposed
to
denote,
and
the
purple
here
is,
is
also
showing
the
intention
to
have
the
bike
Lanes
connect
from
the
I-26
project
through
clingman
and
into
downtown.
So.
A
When
that,
when
that,
just
to
tie
this
all
together,
when
that's
done,
you'll
be
able
to
ride
or
walk
or
whatever,
from
West
Asheville
Haywood
Road
along
what
is
now
the
240
Corridor
across
the
bridge
and
into
downtown.
So
this
would
be
a
connection.
M
Pulled
up
yeah
and
it
almost
seems
like
it's
vital
but
to
councilwoman,
kilgore's
or
vice
mayor
Kilgore.
Sorry
comment:
was
there
any
exercise
in
looking
at
a
larger
outer
grid?
Did
any
of
that
happen
in
this
planning?
Again,
I
wasn't
always
there.
K
So
we
so
com
a
common
misconception
is
that
I
think
that
bicyclists
don't
want
to
ride
next
to
cars.
They
don't
want
to
be
next
to
traffic,
that
they
want
to
take
a
more
indirect
route,
and
that's
not
the
case
for
a
lot
of
bicyclists.
They
want
to
use
the
same
roadways
that
every
other
mode
uses,
so
even
a
diversion
of
a
quarter
mile
over
half
a
mile
when
you're
on
a
bicycle
is
a
lot
more
difficult
than
than
if
you
were
in
a
car
and
had
to
make
that
that
diversion.
K
So
you
know,
trying
to
provide
like
an
outer
loop
is,
is
not
necessarily
conducive
to
to
enhancing
and
getting
more
people
out
of
their
cars
and
using
bike
facilities
and
Greenways.
K
So
this
is
and-
and
you
look
at
our
these
streets
in
downtown
they
don't
they
don't
connect
a
lot
of
our
streets,
don't
connect
they
end
in
random
places.
This
is
literally
the
only
the
road
that
connects
straight
through
east
west,
and
so
you
know
for
a
car
Network
and
a
bike
Network
and
a
Transit
Network
like
these
are
the
these.
Are
the
routes
that
get
all
modes
through
one
side
of
Asheville
to
the
other?
K
And
so
this
project
isn't
seeking
to
take
away
anything
like
there's
still
going
to
be
cars,
they're
still
going
to
be
Transit
they're
still
going
to
be
parking,
they're
still
going
to
be
loading,
we're
adding
a
bike
facility.
That's
going
to
provide
connectivity
for
bicyclists!
It
will
provide
more
separation
between
cars
and
the
sidewalk,
since
we
can't
widen
sidewalks
with
the
funding
that
we
have.
But
you
know
we're
not
trying
to
eliminate
anybody's
use,
we're
just
trying
to
add
some
more
connectivity
for
this
one
mode
and
it's
a
balance
that
is
not
perfect
right.
N
I
feel
like
the
argument
of
like
having
bicycles
a
half
a
mile
out
just
feels
like
we
could
have
had
that
conversation
about
buses
100
years
ago.
Oh
the
buses
are
going
to
disrupt
this
traffic
or
why
would
we
want
bus
stops
in
the
middle
they'll,
be
stopping
in
the
middle
of
streets?
Let's
push
them
to
the
out
of
town.
N
We
would
never
build
a
road
four
cars
with
a
half
a
mile
missing,
and
we
do
that
for
pedestrians
and
bicycles
all
of
the
time
and
as
a
daily
bike
commuter
who's
using
my
body
physically,
it's
hard
and
it's
hot
right
now
to
go
a
half
a
mile
or
even
a
quarter
mile
out
of
the
way.
If
we
want
people
to
be
using
these
healthier
options,.
A
S
M
Look,
we
don't
have
to
go
there
yet,
but
I
do
have
another
question,
because
so
I've
I
do
work
with
I
work.
Downtown
I
would
ride
my
bike
more
if
I
felt
it
were
safer.
It's
true,
however,
I
feel
very
passionate
and
protective
of
downtown
and
its
businesses
right
now,
because
I
feel
that
the
state
of
downtown
is
in
its
own
state
of
chaos,
so
I'm
listening
very
closely
to
their
concerns,
so
I
have
an
explicit
one:
I'd
love
just
to
Clarity
on.
M
So
if
I
am
on
coming
in
from
West
Asheville
and
I'm
coming
down
college-
and
we
know
I'll
just
use
a
specific
business,
there's
a
pharmacy
there
and
the
pharmacy
owner
has
some
very
vocal
concerns
and
what
I've
been
trying
to
meet
with
her
and
drill
down
like
okay,
let's
get
this
one
addressed.
Let's
get
that
one
dressed
the
one
that
I
hear
Still
Remains
for
this
business,
and
perhaps
several
right
there
is
that
with
this
change,
there
will
be
loading
on
the
side
for
the
new
hotel.
It
will
be
longer.
M
There
will
be
bike
lane
on
the
left
on
the
park
side
and
there
will
be
one
lane
of
traffic
going
through
and
their
concern
literally
is
what
happens
when
a
vehicle
that
intends
to
drop
off
Goods
or
loading
in
general,
the
size
of
the
loading
zones
are
full
and
that
they
just
stop
in
the
middle
of
the
road.
I'm
not
saying
I
agree
that
that
will
necessarily
happen,
but
this
is
their
big
fear.
So,
in
reality,
as
someone
that's
been
in
downtown
for
decades,
we
know
that
loading
has
not
been
very
enforced
over
time.
M
M
E
M
K
Okay,
stopping
and
standing
in
a
moving
vehicle
Lane
is
already
prohibited
in
our
in
our
traffic
ordinances.
So,
whether
it's
APD
or
parking
enforcement,
they
would
be
able
to
get
them
to
move
immediately
and
and
if
it
came
to
it,
we
are
able
to
tow,
but
we
have
not
had
to
tow
delivery
drivers
before.
M
M
And
in
this
case,
if
there
were
emergency
at
the
same
time,
they
could
go
over
the
barricade
of
the
thing
I
mean
I.
Do.
M
In
the
community
do
recognize
sirens
and
do
tend
to
get
over
so
I'm
less
concerned
about
that,
but
I
really
wanted
them
to
hear
that
we
will
have
a
response,
and
then,
lastly-
and
this
is
kind
of
I-
mean
I-
am
I'm
promo,
multimodal
I
Am,
pro
bikes
being
all
over
the
city
if
they
can
fit
and
in
the
right
places
and
it's
safe.
Here
is
my
concern.
That
is
actually
going
to
feel
very
outside
of
anything.
M
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
saying
we
are
concerned
about
downtown,
and
this
is
one
way
that
we
are
addressing
some
things
concurrent,
but
it
is
not
in
any
way
going
to
slow
us
down
on
these
other
initiatives
or
become
our
priority
ahead
of
safety.
Is
that
I
mean
in
that
I'm
not
asking
you
Jessica?
Sorry,
absolutely.
I
We're
looking
at
downtown
holistically
the
same
way
we're
looking
at
the
entire
Community
realistically.
This
is
one
aspect
related
to
Mobility.
You
all
know
my
background.
I'm,
a
planner
right.
E
I
Doing
this
for
30
years
and
what
what
I,
what
I
sense,
is
potentially
a
little
bit
of
consternation
about
policies
that
you
all
have
adopted
related
to
complete
streets?
I
We
don't
single
out
a
stream
because
of
the
racial
demographics
and
say
we're
not
going
to
do
a
complete
Street
in
that
neighborhood.
We,
you
have
a
city-wide
policy
that
talks
about
complete
streets.
So
every
time
we
make
improvements
in
enhancements
to
a
street,
we
look
at
it
as
we
should
be
doing
so.
L
I
If
you
know
the
the
the
the
dimensions
of
the
street
and
all
of
those
things
could
be,
could
be,
could
be
added
and
so
I
think
where
we
are
I
mean
you're
right
where
we've
used
a
whole
lot
of
time,
and
usually
the
managers
report
doesn't
take
up
this
much
time
but
I
know.
Miss
Mosley
has
one
other
question
and
we
can
either
continue
this
conversation
or
we
can
kind
of
get
a
sense
of
do
we
progress
or
not
and
either
way
is
fine
with
me.
R
Perhaps
there
should
be
a
discussion
about
how
planning
and
zoning,
and
sometimes
the
best
intentions
actually
lead
to
I,
don't
want
to
be
in
a
place
20
years
from
now,
where
folks
will
look
back
and
going,
this
Council
contributed
to
further
declination
of
an
already
struggling
community,
so
my
thought
really
actually
isn't
so
much
based
on
race.
My
point
was
I,
get
a
little
tired
of
white
people
doing
what
they
want
to
do
and
then
laying
it
on
the
feet
of
oh
we're
just
helping
this
poor
struggling
group.
R
My
whole
point
was
to
say
this
group
that
you
say
you're
helping
in
feeling
it
that's
that
bucket,
because
I
feel
we
do
that
with
whatever
the
cause
is
we
just
happen
to
be
talking
about
bike
Lanes
right
now.
My
concern
is
for
the
people
running
businesses
in
that
area.
So
when
you
talk
about
the
pharmacy,
that's
a
minority-owned
business
that
has
been
there
for
40
plus
years.
That
very
frequently
deals
with
other
struggling
members
of
our
community.
R
So
for
me,
if
they
are
unable
to
get
to
that
place
or
if
people
aren't
able
to
get
to
the
single
black
radio
station
in
town
that
we
so
proudly
posted
as
part
of
our
communication
struggle,
I
just
want
to
bring
a
voice
to
those
people.
So
I've
had
this
conversation
before
sometimes
what's
best
for
Asheville
theoretically
is
harmful
to
the
most
vulnerable
amongst
us.
M
I
do
want
to
layer
in
too,
because
I
think
this
is
important
time
to
mention
the
the
pharmacy
for
all.
These
points
is
obviously
of
need,
but
there
is
another
layer
that
no
one
realizes
when
we
are
trying
to
do
all
of
these
affordable
housing
projects
and
they
are
tax
credit
projects.
If
you've
heard
us
talk
about
this,
there's
a
long
list,
I
think
it's
15
pages
of
requirements
you
have
to
have.
Do
you
have
a
good
application
and
one
of
them
is
a
pharmacy
within
a
I.
Think
it's
a
mile.
M
So
when
we
lost
CVS
I
think
it
was
and
we
got
Urban
Outfitters
I
think
this
became
our
Pharmacy
downtown.
So
we
have
some
in
the
wings
and
the
periphery
of
certain
angles,
but
we
can't
lose
this
Pharmacy
for
many
reasons.
So
and
that's
you
know
one
of
the
reasons
I
want
to
bring
up
their
business
in
their
particular
situation
and
help
assuage
their
concerns,
because
it
would
be
a
detriment
to
all
of
downtown
to
lose
an
entity
like
that.
T
In
consideration
for
all
of
our
businesses,
in
that
Corridor
councilwoman
Mosley
bought
up
a
point
that
I
believe
was
kind
of
brushed
over
in
the
community
engagement
process.
T
People
stakeholders
said
that
they
were
not
actually
in
the
process
to
give
input,
but
it's
more
of
an
information
session
like
this
is
happening.
We're
just
letting
you
know
the
who.
What
when,
where
and
how
so
I'm
wondering
in
surveying
them,
what
their
concerns
are
and
if
they
did
observe
or
or
vocalize
and
impact
what
that
impact
was
and
have
we
considered
that
impact,
because
a
lot
of
those
businesses
have
been
around
for
a
very
long
time
right,
they're
serving
an
aging
population,
and
this
plan
right
now
seems
very
ableist.
M
And
with
all
the
problems
going
on,
I
can't
help
but
understand
when
they
say
I,
don't
understand
why
this
is
what
you're
working
on
so
I
don't
want
to
discourage
you,
because
I
I
do
think
when
I
look
at
that
map
and
I
realize
how
integral
this
Loop
and
connectivity
is
to
all
of
it.
I
want
it
to
happen,
but
I
I
want
I
want
some
of
this
at
the
table
too.
So.
T
Stakeholder
voice
about
the
most
impacted
impacted
is
what
we
always
run.
We
usually
lead
with
their
concerns,
so
I
would
really
love
this
very
small
Corridor
around
preacher,
Park
and
I
think
they've
been
very
vocal
and
opposing
the
plan.
So
I
would
like
to
have
a
conversation
with
them
or
if
anybody
here
has
had
a
conversation
with
them,
it
would
be
good
for
their
their
most.
Concerning
ideas
to
be
placed
first,.
A
We,
let's
just
I,
think
we
just
gotta
we're
gonna
have
to
move
on.
We
and
Jessica,
and
her
team
has
met
with
folks
in
downtown
numerous
times
now,
there's
been
walking
tours.
B
A
A
G
A
Yeah
I
mean
if
we're
going
to
have
a
work
session
and
it
you
know
I
think
one
of
the
things
I'm
hearing
is.
You
know
there
are
a
lot
of
plans
that
exist
already
in
the
city
of
Asheville
that
were
adopted
and
voted
on
and
approved
by
by
Council
won
this
Council
right.
It
was
previous
Council,
so
I
mean
I,
think
staff
is
working
and
working
and
working
to
implement
these
plans,
which
are
multi-year
plans.
They
are
not
a
council
length
plan.
A
So
if
we're,
if
we're
going
to
blow
this
out
and
look
at
the
bigger
picture
and
decide
whether
or
not
we're
pulling
back
on
some
of
those
plans,
we
better,
we
better
figure
that
out
I
mean
the
state
of
North.
Carolina
has
adopted
a
complete
streets
policy,
so
we
we,
you
know,
I,
don't
know
if
that
ship
has
sailed,
if
that's
the
right
phrase
for
it,
but
but
that
that
is
the
direction
of
the
state
of
North,
Carolina
and
cities
within
it.
A
T
If
we're
getting
feedback
directly
from
people,
who've
had
businesses
in
this
area
over
three
four
decades
saying
that
the
plan
was
never
a
two-way
conversation
that
they
were
just
getting
information
about
when
the
plan
was
going
to
be
put
in
place
and
if
they
had
any
input
based
on
the
scenarios
to
the
design
that
that
doesn't
feel
very
good
for
me.
And
it
won't
feel
good
for
us
years
out.
If
those
businesses
are
adversely
impacted
and
it
leads
to
the
close
down
of
their
business.
M
A
And
and
I
what
I
mean
more
is
a
course
Community.
Engagement
is
key
with
all
of
these
projects.
So,
as
we
move
them
forward,
I
mean
more
sort
of
some
broader
context.
For
us,
I
mean
I.
Think
it's
helpful.
If
we
kind
of
see
how
did
we
get
here
and
what
are
these
plans?
What
do
they
look
like,
and
you
know
if
there's
still
consensus
around
them?
That's
right
so
because
these
projects
that
we're
considering
the
Biltmore
Avenue
project-
you
know
all
of
these
are
just
products
of
those
plans
previously
adopted.
I
I
A
Okay,
we're
we're
to
the
public
hearings
portion;
oh
I'm,
okay,
Maggie,
like
a
year
ago,
you
told
me
to
say
this:
okay,
if
you
have
a
vacant
seat
next
to
you
raise
your
hand,
so
we
can
tell
people
in
the
Overflow
room
to
come
on
up
one
two,
three,
four,
five
accessories.
B
A
B
A
A
A
I'm,
a
little
hot,
but
all
right
so
overflow
room
people
make
your
way
up.
Here
we
are
going
to
begin
with
our
public
hearings
agenda
items.
Item
a
I
need
a
motion
to
continue
that
item.
This
is
again
the
Aspire
or
one
Oak
Street
project
I'll
move
to
continue
to
September
12th.
Second
number
12.,
okay,
and
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
all,
those
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
aye,
any
opposed
all
right.
A
U
Good
evening,
mayor
members
of
council
will
Palmquist
with
planning
and
Urban
Design
I'll,
be
presenting
this
conditional
zoning
Amendment
for
the
project
of
West
Haywood
Street
Apartments
Sasha
will
be
following
me
talking
about
the
changes
needed
to
the
affordable
housing
trust
fund
agreement,
but
this
will
be
the
zoning
side
of
things,
so
the
site
we're
talking
about
is
located
here
at
339,
West,
Haywood
Street.
In
the
weekend
neighborhood
you
can
see
it's
west
of
downtown
just
by
the
I-240
East
off-ramp
to
Penn
Ave.
U
U
It's
proposed
to
be
a
three
and
four
story:
building
with
three
stories
fronting
on
West
Hayward
street
and
then
four
stories
at
the
rear,
totaling
41
residential
units,
all
of
which
would
be
affordable
at
80
Ami
in
perpetuity
half
of
those
would
be
reserved
for
housing,
Choice,
voucher
holders.
There
are
33
parking
spaces
proposed
and
the
two
surface
Lots,
as
you
can
see,
access
to
the
East
and
the
west
of
the
property.
U
New
five
foot
wide
sidewalks
and
five
foot
wide
planting
strips
proposed
and
a
crosswalk
on
Haywood
Street
near
the
intersection
of
Hilliard
Ave
there'll,
also
be
some
shared
community
space
to
support
the
tenants.
Permanent
offices
for
the
property
management
staff,
social
worker
and
a
director
of
housing
will
also
be
maintained
on
site
and
just
landscape
plan
to
demonstrate
that
the
project
will
be
compliant
with
all
the
required
Street
trees,
parking
lot,
screening,
open
space
and
tree
canopy
preservation
here
are
the
building
elevations.
U
There
are
a
couple
technical
modifications
part
of
this
as
part
of
this
rezoning
that
are
being
requested,
one
of
which
is
that
the
maximum
building
square
footage
would
be
increased
to
a
maximum
50
000
square
feet
where
typically,
where
a
forty
five
thousand
square
feet
is
the
maximum
under
the
CB2
zoning,
and
also
to
waive
the
requirement
for
the
two
loading
spots
that
would
be
required
for
this
type
of
project
project
was
approved
with
conditions
at
the
July
17th
technical
review
committee
meeting
and
also
approved
with
conditions
at
the
August
2nd
planning
zone
commission
meeting
in.
M
Just
for
the
sake
of
time,
I'll
share
the
hcd
reviewed
this
yesterday
yesterday
yeah
and
we're
going
to
have
another
item
related
to
the
trust
fund
application
next.
But
we
didn't
have
any
comments
or
questions
really.
It
kind
of
just
sailed
through
after
review
and
I
just
I'm
sharing
that,
for
the
sake
of
everyone's
time,
we're
running
a
little
over.
G
G
M
Didn't
see
any
additions,
yeah
of
that,
but
I
do
appreciate
that.
So
when
we
reviewed
this,
there
was
some
concern
about
the
big
retaining
wall
in
this
land
swap
changes
that
so
it
will
be
a
more
attractive
building
and
easier
to
build.
Therefore,
less
expensive
I
mean
if
we
don't
have
any
concerns.
We
have
a
very
long
motion.
It'll
probably
take
me
about
60
seconds
to
read,
but
I'm.
M
It
let
me
just
double
check.
M
T
A
Thank
you.
Okay,
all
right,
ready
for.
V
A
Aye
any
opposed
all
right.
Thank
you.
Okay,
we're
going
to
move
down
to
new
business
item;
a
is
a
consideration
of
a
resolution
approving
revised
unit
count
and
affordability,
levels
for
the
Housing
Trust
Fund
loan
for
Haywood
Street
Community
Development
project
on
West
Haywood,
Road,
Sasha
vertinski
is
here
to
talk
to
us
about
this.
W
Thank
you
good
evening:
Marin
Council,
yes,
I'm,
Sasha
vertinski
with
a
community
Economic
Development
here
to
speak
about
the
affordability
piece
of
this
project.
W
So
first
a
few
key
takeaways
in
February
2022.
You
all
authorized
a
land
purchase
agreement
and
Housing
Trust
Fund
loaned
with
Haywood
Street
Community
Development
for
45
rental
homes
and
since
that
time,
they've
Incorporated
additional
land.
You
already
know
this,
but
I'm
going
so
there
have
been
some
changes
to
the
project
reduction
of
the
number
of
units
which
you
just
approved
and
but
there's
also
been
changes
to
the
Amis
and
threat
and
thresholds
and
bedroom
mix.
W
So
just
really
quickly.
Here's
some
background
on
the
Project
funding
the
city
of
Asheville
had
a
grant.
Excuse
me.
The
city
of
Asheville
gave
a
grant
for
the
purchase
of
the
land
and
1.3
million.
We
also
granted
funds
for
pre-development
of
the
site
and
a
Housing
Trust
Fund
Loan
in
for
904
000
totaling,
2.5
million
Buncombe
County
also
gave
money
towards
the
construction
and
Dogwood
Health.
Trust
also
gave
a
grant
for
construction
as
well,
so
they
have
I,
don't
want
to
reread
anything.
We've
already
talked
about
today.
W
Basically,
our
Housing
Trust
Fund
loan
terms
will
stay
the
same,
and
those
loan
terms
are
that
there
will
be
no
interest
in
deferred
payments
for
the
first
10
years.
It
will
be
interest
only
at
a
rate
of
only
one
percent
for
the
next
10
years
and
year.
20,
the
loan
will
either
convert
to
an
amortizing
loan,
paying
principal
and
interest,
or
that
Housing
Trust,
Fund
principal
will
be
repaid
in
full
as
a
part
of
our
refinance
of
the
entire
debt
stack.
W
W
W
In
the
original
proposal,
56
percent
of
the
units
were
being
reserved
for
vouchers
and
in
this
this
iteration
it's
50
of
the
units
so
very
close
to
the
same
amount,
and
then
the
bedroom
mix
has
changed
a
little
bit.
We
get
another
unit
of
three
bedrooms
mix,
so
staffs
recommending
approval
of
this
based
on
several
factors.
50
of
the
units
will
will
be
reserved
for
voucher
holders.
W
I
didn't
talk
about
this
before
they
fully
intend
to
at
least
90
of
the
units
to
voucher
holders
who
have
incomes
at
50
and
Below
Ami.
So
they
will
do
that
as
long
as
it's
financially
feasible,
but
they
will
always
have
at
least
50
percent
of
the
units
reserved
for
vouchers
based
on
our
Benchmark
of
80
000
per
unit.
W
This
request
was
considered
by
the
Housing
and
Community
Development
Committee,
as
councilwoman
Turner
talked
about
earlier.
The
vote
was
3-0
in
support
of
it
and
we
have
a
recommended
motion
here.
Reverend
Brian
Combs
is
here
to
answer
any
questions.
If
you
have
any
and
then
that
concludes
my
presentation
happy
to
answer
any
questions,
if
I
can.
Q
L
A
A
A
Okay,
so
if
you're
in
the
Overflow
room,
we
can
now
accommodate
you
next
up
is
the
Strategic
event
partnership
program
and
here
to
present
this
item
is
Chris.
Coral
and
Jonathan
Philman
will
be
recognized
for
his
tremendously
hard
work
around
this
project
as
well
he's
sitting
in
the
back.
Everyone
can
just
wave
at
him.
X
Good
afternoon,
Chris
Coral
with
the
community
and
Regional
Entertainment
facilities,
Department,
so
we're
here
to
talk
about
the
street
strategic
event
partnership
program.
Our
key
takeaways
here
for
this
presentation-
are
that
the
purpose
of
this
was
to
address
some
legal
concerns.
Continuing
with
a
about
continuing
with
a
preferential
program
involving
public
space
and
staff's,
recommending
phasing
out
our
current
strategic
event
partnership
program
and
replacing
it
with
a
three-year
agreement.
With
the
Asheville
area,
Arts
Council,
to
administer
Grant
fund
to
reimburse
Arts
related
non-profit
events
conducted
on
our
property.
X
It
would
continue
the
existing
75
non-profit
discount
for
events
that
every
non-profit
enjoys.
We
would
also
continue
support
for
Asheville
City
Market
on
Market
Street
and
Agricultural
Development
partnership
agreement,
and
it
would
continue
support
for
Contracting
the
production
of
our
five
holiday
events
that
we
put
on
every
year,
so
public
space
and
the
content
neutrality
is
the
real
thing
that
started
all
this.
The
government,
support
of
independent
events
held
in
public
space
must
be,
must
not
be
based
on
content.
X
So
that
was
really
what
started
this
process
to
really
look
into
what
we
could
and
could
not
support,
and
why
so,
to
give
you
an
idea
of
past
the
present
so
pre-pandemic
Partnerships
06
to
19,
we
provided
all
the
things
related
with
events
that
we
could,
which
was
medical
support,
police
trash
traffic,
signage,
Transportation
closures,
barricades
public
space
use
permitting
fees.
We
covered
all
of
these
things
for
a
good
number
of
events,
so
then
moving
forward
in
the
interim
2020.
X
X
We
paused
everything
and
continued
forward
with
partners
that
we
had
so
in
the
interim,
we're
now
providing
slightly
less
Services,
because
with
covid
we
ran
into
a
lot
of
Staffing
challenges,
as
we
all
know,
so
we
stopped
providing
free
medical
police
and
Waste
Services,
and
that
has
now
been
part
of
the
services
required
to
be
paid
for
directly
by
the
event
promoters,
except
for
the
federal
holiday
events.
So
we
preserved
those
five
holiday
events
and
we
provide
all
of
those
things.
This
Plus
in
some
cases
cash
for
helping
manage
those
events
on
our
behalf.
X
So
then,
moving
forward
this
proposal
that
we're
speaking
about
continues
the
federal
holiday
preservation.
So
that's
cash
all
of
our
in-kind
services,
everything
that
we're
able
to
provide
to
help
put
those
events
on
and
then
through
an
event,
support
Grant
with
the
actual
Arts
Council.
We
would
be
providing
permitting
fees,
public
use,
space,
barricades,
transportation,
fee
waivers
all
the
things
that
we
provide
on
the
event
run
the
fees
and
charges
manual.
X
So
you
lose
the
little
traffic
signs
that
you
see
up
there,
because
Transportation
does
not
actually
provide
traffic
signs
as
a
fee
in
charges
service.
So
we
took
that
out
because
it's
not
something
that
anybody
could
order
and
request
from
the
city,
and
then
we
would
continue
with
agricultural
partnership
agreements
with
ASAP.
The
only
reason
you
missed
the
little
island
on
there
is
because
they're
not
actually
using
a
parked
public
space.
It's
on
a
roadway,
so
our
2024
moving
forward
events
support
classifications.
We
kind
of
have
everything
from
red
to
Green.
X
So
the
City
events,
like
we
mentioned
before
it's
our
five
holidays,
that
we
currently
support:
Memorial,
Day,
Juneteenth,
Independence,
Day,
the
holiday
parade
and
Veterans
Day
ceremony.
They
each
come
with
a
different
level
of
cash
and
in
kind
Services,
based
on
the
individual
events,
needs
and
the
scope
and
scale
of
those
events,
our
next
step
down
produced
by
staff
events.
So
this
is
a
lot
of
Parks
and
Recreation
events.
X
Community
and
public
engagement
events
like
neighborhood
festivals,
National,
Night,
Out,
the
fire
department
has
a
couple
events,
WMC
Nature,
Center
and
Aston
Park
do
different
events
and
then
the
employee
picnic
that
we
hold
over
at
MLK,
Park
City,
assisted
events
like
I
mentioned.
This
only
applies
to
two
events:
being
the
Asheville
City
Market
and
there's
a
long-term
agreement
with
festival
and
gospel
in
the
park
through
Parks
and
Recreation.
That
ties
to
the
same
level
and
then
the
community
event
grants.
So
this
is
the
new
replacement
for
strategic
event
Partnerships.
X
So
in
this
case
we
took
the
events
that
we
had
historically
helped
fund,
not
via
cash,
but
via
all
these
in-kind
Services
figured
out
what
the
that
expense
was
to
the
city
to
make
sure
that
we
were
covering
all
of
these
events.
X
It
does
exclude
law
enforcement,
Public,
Works,
medical
and
transportation
signs
just
be
because
of
our
staffing
situation,
just
like
why
we
got
out
of
it
in
the
first
place
in
2020.,
there
was
some
pretty
good
Outreach
to
get
to
this
points
and
John
and
myself
we
worked
with
all
the
event
promoters
we
sent
out
emails.
We
had
stakeholder
meetings
asking
for
input
asking
for
the
effect
of
not
servicing
their
events,
what
they
would
have
on
their
events,
how
much
money
they
spent
in
Services.
X
We
figured
that
out
by
asking
what
services
do
we
provide
you?
What
didn't
we
provide
you
that
we
could
have
used
to
figure
out
that
in-kind
value?
We
didn't
get
response
from
one
of
those
events,
but
we
did
take
another
very
similar
events
structure
in
their
dollar
figure
added
that
in
to
make
sure
that
we're
well
covered
whatever
that
came
and
those
were
all
via
stakeholder
meetings,
email,
there's,
no
like
official
survey
or
anything
like
that,
but
we
reached
out
to
all
the
different
groups
that
are
producing
events
with
us.
X
We
did
bring
this
to
planning
and
economic
development
committee
and
the
policy
finance
and
HR
committee.
There
are
some
suggested
changes
in
the
June
12
ped
meeting
and
we
brought
those
revised
changes
into
the
finance
policy
and
HR
committee
and
brought
it
back
to
PED
in
July,
where
it
was
unanimously
unanimously
recommended
and
then
August
7th.
It
was
approved
by
the
equity
and
inclusion
program
review,
so
it
has
gone
through
our
Equity
office.
X
So
back
to
those
key
takeaways
reminder,
this
all
started
with
some
legal
concerns,
with
continuing
with
preferential
programs
involved
on
public
space,
replacing
the
current
strategic
partnership
program
with
a
three-year
agreement
to
the
Asheville
Arts
Council,
continuing
the
non-profit
discount,
as
always,
and
continued
support
for
the
Asheville
city
market
via
an
agricultural
development
partnership
agreement,
and
we
continue
production
of
our
five
holidays
ceremonies.
X
G
Maybe
I
missed
it
and
maybe
the
the
organizing
contract
could
speak
to
this,
but
the
experience
that
the
contractor
has
with
the
county
have
we
spoken
to
that
yeah.
X
I
haven't
spoken
to
that,
so
the
Arts
Council
has
been
administering
a
very
similar
program
for
the
county
for
years.
The
the
official
Arts
granting
organization
I
believe,
is
how
I
was
raised
of
the
Buncombe
County,
so
over
the
last
five
years,
they've
given
out
a
little
over
a
million
dollars
with
over
325
grants
and
last
year,
43
of
their
grants
were
actually
given
to
bypoc
or
underserved
event
organizers.
M
I'll
just
share
the
hcd
used
to
tackle
this
program
and
we
were
struggling
in
recent
years,
so
I'm
supportive
of
this
transition
I
mean
we
were
struggling
with
timelines.
We
were
struggling
with
forms,
we
were
struggling
with
administrative
levels,
I
think,
and
it
was
getting
a
little
messy
for
us,
so
I'm
appreciative
that
we
found
a
still
applicable
contextually.
You
know
meaningful
way
to
administer
this.
M
Go
for
one
motion
to
it:
I
moved
to
adopt
a
resolution
of
authorizing
the
city
manager
to
phase
out
the
city's
strategic
event,
partnership
program,
eliminating
in-kind
support
and
fee
waivers
beyond
the
75
non-profit,
discount
afforded
to
all
applicable
events
as
per
the
city's
current
fees
and
charges
manual.
Second,.
A
All
right
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second.
We
have
no
one
signed
up
to
speak
under
this
item.
All
those
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
aye,
any
opposed.
Okay,
next
motion:
you
want
to
keep
rolling.
M
Okay,
I
moved
to
adopt
a
resolution
authorizing
the
city
manager
to
enter
into
a
three-year
contract
with
the
Asheville
area,
Arts
Council,
to
administer
a
grant
fund
to
reimbursed
Arts
related
non-profit
events
conducted
within
outdoor
public
spaces
for
certain
city
fees
and
charges
in
an
amount
not
to
exceed
228
042
dollars
over
the
term.
Second
Kim
all.
A
B
A
Many
hours
in
the
community
with
all
the
people
that
participate
and
host
these
events.
Thank
you
all
so
much.
That's
tremendous
result
for
us
tonight
and
I'm
glad
we
found
pathford
and
thank
you
to
katyc
you're
here.
Thank
you
very.
This
is
all
you
now
enjoy
it.
A
So
so
anyway,
I
I
know
there
may
still
be
some
folks
out
there
that
wanted
something
different,
but
these
are
really
really
difficult,
and
but
the
important
thing
is
we
can
continue
to
have
these
great
events
in
our
in
our
downtown
things
that
people
have
enjoyed
for
many
years
and
hopefully
many
years
to
come.
B
A
I'm
going
to
just
introduce
this
one
introduction
of
an
ordinance
amending
sections,
11-5
and
11-14
of
the
code
to
ordinances
related
to
solicitation
in
order
to
remain
compliant
with
existing
federal
and
state
law
to
remove
ambiguities
and
include
more
detailed
descriptions
of
prohibitions
in
our
city
attorney.
Brad
Branham
will
present
this
item.
Y
Thank
you
mayor
and
good
evening,
City
Council
Members,
my
name
is
Brad
Branham
and
I'm,
proud
to
be
your
City
attorney.
I'll
also
say
that
I'm
humbled
to
see
that
so
many
people
felt
my
skill
in
delivering
a
speech
was
worth
staying
for.
Y
May
be
flattering
myself:
I
suspect
they
may
want
to
talk
about
the
substance
rather
than
my
skill
of
delivering
it.
Well
with
that
being
said,
I
do
want
to
before
I
dive
into
these
slides.
Give
a
couple
of
very
quick
prerequisite.
Statements
about
this.
That
I
think
are
important
for
everyone
to
understand
the.
Y
However,
we
felt
that
it
was
highly
important
for
reasons
that
I'll
discuss
in
just
a
moment
to
go
ahead
and
move
forward
with
the
original
technical
amendments
and
you're
going
to
hear
me
call
these
technical,
because
I
want
to
differentiate
that
from
those
substantive
amendments
that
we
talked
about
during
that
Council
committee
I'm,
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
those
timelines,
but
I
do
want
to
point
out
that
these
are
now
on
separate
tracks,
and
we
are
only
talking
about
the
original
technical
amendments
this
evening
now
some
quick
key
takeaways
as
you're,
used
to
seeing
you're
going
to
see
this
referred
to
in
various
areas
of
the
law
under
the
terminology,
solicitation,
panhandling
and
even
begging,
which
seems
to
me
to
be
a
bit
of
a
throwback
terminology,
but
whether
you're
looking
at
our
existing
ordinances
or
state
law
or
case
law.
Y
All
three
of
these
terms
are
used
to
Encompass
and
identify
the
same
thing.
I'm,
usually
going
to
talk
about
either
panhandling
or
solicitation.
Panhandling
has
been
part
of
the
city's
code
for
decades
and
I
mean
many
decades.
The
city
has
regulated
this,
as
has
almost
every
major
metropolitan
area.
In
the
state
of
North
Carolina
and
around
the
country
and
the
city's
ordinances
on
this
have
become
what
I
would
call
somewhat
stale
the
last
time
that
some
of
these
ordinance
has
been
updated
is
now
more
than
two
decades
ago.
Y
In
this
particular
case,
we've
had
a
couple
of
Supreme
Court
decisions
come
out
of
Washington
D.C
recently
that
are
extraordinarily
impactful
to
the
way
that
cities
and
local
governments
regulate,
First,
Amendment
activity
and
I,
say
First
Amendment
activity,
because
solicitation
is
in
fact
an
activity
that
is
clearly
protected
by
the
First
Amendment
doesn't
mean
you
can't
regulate
it.
It
means
it
is
protected
under
the
First
Amendment.
Those
two
cases
are
City
of
Austin
V
Reagan
prior
to
that
Reed
versus
town
of
Gilbert.
Y
Once
these
cases
came
out,
we
begin
looking
at
several
of
the
city's
ordinances
that
may
be
applicable
to
this,
and
we
realize
that
the
two
solicitation
ordinances
come
into
play
with
regard
to
some
of
the
most
recent
case.
Laws
cited
in
these
two
cases
and
we
believe
it's
necessary
for
the
city
to
take
some
steps
to
dust
off
the
current
ordinances
from
a
technical
perspective
in
order
to
remain
compliant
with
those
new
Supreme
Court
decisions.
Now.
Y
Of
the
city,
ordinances
on
this
subject
have
not
been
updated
for
a
while,
most
recently
in
2021
I
believe,
but
prior
to
that,
you
have
two
decades
worth
of
inactivity
on
the
majority
of
our
ordinances.
Now
these
technical
amendments
that
I'm
going
to
go
over
are
intended
specifically
to
remove
certain
ambiguities
that
we
feel
are
only
heightened
by
these
recent
case
law
decisions,
but
they
do
not.
They
do
not
at
this
point,
add
any
new
regulations
or
new
or
heightened
penalties
to
the
existing
ordinance
and
ordinances
that
this
Council
has
previously
adopted.
Y
Let
me
give
you
a
quick
timeline,
because
I
think
this
highlights
what
I
was
mentioning
earlier
about
the
two
separate
paths.
The
technical
amendments
that
I'm
going
to
be
talking
to
you
tonight
were
originally
proposed
to
the
environment,
Safety
Committee
on
July
25th.
Now
we
are
here
tonight
for
what
I'm
calling
the
first
reading
in
front
of
city
council.
The
nature
of
this
ordinance
requires
that
it
come
before
you
twice
before
it
could
be
passed
into
law.
Y
So
this
is,
if
you
decide
to
move
it
forward,
only
the
first
of
what
will
be
two
readings
for
these
technical
amendments
in
the
interim
per
the
direction
of
the
environment.
Safety
Committee
City
staff,
including
my
office
as
well
as
other
interdepartmental
sources,
are
going
to
continue
working
on
reviewing
data
legal
aspects
and
proposing
what
we
believe
is
data
supported
and
legally
defensible
proposals
on
the
substantive
amendments.
Y
Y
By
doing
that,
we
increase
the
specificity
around
these
languages,
a
better
way
to
put
that
is
we're
sharpening
that
pencil
so
that,
as
you
will
see,
hopefully
this
provides
not
just
a
clear
picture
of
what
the
rules
or
regulations
are
to
the
public,
but
also
to
City
staff,
who
are
charged
with
enforcing
this.
Both.
Y
Quick
legal
Authority
notes.
The
city
has
for
a
long
time,
as
well
as
every
city
in
the
state
authority
to
regulate
solicitation
under
North
Carolina
General
statutes.
You
now
have
also
a
separate
statute,
which
is
North
Carolina
General
statute,
20-175.
That
gives
you
the
power
to
regulate
what
I'm
going
to
call
roadside
panhandling.
That's
the
way
it's
often
referred
to
in
the
case
law
in
the
state
statute.
I
want
to
separate
these
two
things,
because
this
is
how
our
code
separates
them.
Y
We
have
what
I'll
call
the
general
11-5
city
ordinance,
which
is
primarily
pedestrian
to
pedestrian
solicitation.
The
separate
ordinance
which
you're
going
to
see
is
is
authorized
by
that.
Second
state
statute
is
contained
in
11-14.
That's
the
roadside
solicitation
ordinance
where
someone
is
soliciting
from
occupants
of
vehicles.
So
it's
two
separate
ordinances
on
our
books
and
you
have
two
separate
State
statutes
that
Define
your
Authority
therein
now
I've.
Y
Y
So
we're
going
to
start
with
the
first
one.
This
is
our
general
I'm,
just
going
to
say
primarily
pedestrian
to
pedestrian
ordinance.
This
applies
Citywide,
it's
11-5
and
what
we
have
tried
to
do
is
take
our
existing
ordinance
and
clarify
the
who,
what
when
and
where
around
solicitation
rules
I'm
going
to
tell
you
exactly
what
we
have
put
in
this,
but
the
exact
edited
version
showing
all
the
proposed
changes
is
in
your
materials
as
well
as
posted
online.
Y
What
we've
done,
first
and
foremost,
is
remove
the
word
immediately
and
I
want
to
highlight
this,
because
this
is
a
very
good
example
of
what
we
think
seems
like
a
specificity,
but
it's
actually
creates
additional
ambiguity
around
our
ordinance
because
it
previously
said
that
solicitation
is
when
you're
asking
for
something
and
expecting
an
immediate
response.
Well,
what
does
immediate
remain?
Does
that
mean
within
one.
B
Y
Y
So,
if
you
are
with
your
family,
your
partner,
your
friends
down
down-
and
you
were
to
say-
can
I
have
a
dollar
can
I
borrow?
This?
Can
I
have
a
drink
from
your
cup?
None
of
those
things
are
what
we
believe
was
intended
by
the
original
passage
of
this
ordinance
to
be
a
regulated
activity.
So
we
wanted
to
clearly
show
that
that's
part
of
the
exception
again
placing
another
fine
point
on
the
actual
ordinance.
We
have
also
defined
the
solicitation
distance.
Y
Y
There
is
a
rule
on
the
books
right
now
that
says,
if
you
solicit
from
someone
and
they
decline
and
whether
they
walk
away
or
they
stay
in
place,
you're
not
allowed
to
continue
to
try
to
solicit
them
and
right
now
what
it
says
is
in
close
proximity
to
them.
We
believe
that
any
court
is
going
to
have
to
determine
what
in
close
proximity
means.
Y
So
in
order
to
be
much
more
precise
about
that
again,
adding
Clarity
where
ambiguity
currently
exists,
we
have
done
some
research
and
we
found
some
applicable
Supreme
Court
cases
which
have
upheld
General
restrictions
around
eight
feet.
There
was
some
discussion
around
10
feet
six
feet.
This
isn't
an
attempt
to
try
to
bridge
that
Gap.
We
actually
went
and
pulled
some
Supreme
Court
cases
and
determine
what
actually
is
applicable
when
the
courts
are
determining
what
is
an
upholdable
distance?
Y
That's
one
place
that
it
applies
only
when
someone
has
said
no
they're
not
allowed
to
continue
the
solicitation
within
close
proximity
to
you.
The
second
is
at
a
Transit,
stop
and
I
say
at
because
that's
what
our
current
language
says:
you're
not
allowed
to
solicit
at
a
Transit.
Stop
I!
Wasn't
here
when
this
passed,
I
was
I,
don't
know
if
I
was
born.
Y
Yet
when
this
was
originally
passed,
but
I
can
tell
you
that
in
all
likelihood
it
was
passed
because
that's
an
area
that
we
want
people
to
feel
free
to
be
and
not
feel
harassed
by
any
sort
of
activity
that
might
lead
into
aggressive
panhandling
or
unnecessary
conversations,
but
again
the
term
act.
What
does
that
mean
if
you're
five
feet
away
if
you're
10
feet
away?
If
you
are
15
feet
away?
Y
The
next
thing
that
we've
done
is
we've
added
language,
clarify
restrictions
around
solicitation
and
outdoor
dining
facilities.
Again,
this
is
something
already
on
the
books.
You
are
not
allowed
to
solicit
quote
at
an
outdoor
dining
facility.
Again
we
wanted
to
specify
what
that
means.
So
we
tried
to
be
as
clear
and
concise
as
possible.
We've
said
that
that
says
that
you
should
not
be
able
to
solicit.
Y
B
Y
But
it
also
I
think
has
the
additional
benefit
here
by
accepting
the
busking
Community,
which,
quite
frankly,
oftentimes
are
going
to
be
practicing
their
craft
at
or
near
outdoor
dining
facilities.
So
for
the
first
time
we'll
have
language
in
there.
That
will
clearly
show
that
what
they
are
doing
in
many
cases
would
not
fall
under
the
purview
of
the
anti-solicitation
ordinance.
Right
now,
I
can
say
that
that
may
not
be
the
case.
Y
The
next
thing
that
we've
done
is,
we
have
just
simply
updated
the
the
wording
around
what
is
now
called
obscene
or
threatening
language
and
soliciting.
So
the
language
that
we
currently
have
in
our
ordinance
is
quite
a
bit
dated
it's
the
same
thing
that
it's
being
referred
to,
but
we
wanted
to
use
the
law,
the
language
and
the
law.
That's
most
common
in
the
court
case
is
dealing
with
this
particular
aspect
and
finally,
on
this
one,
we've
standardized
the
terminology
on
solicitation
request.
Y
We
found
in
our
two
ordinances
that
the
language
was
different
in
its
definition
of
solicitation.
Throughout
some
places
it
said
if
you're
asking
for
money
or
business
or
other
things
in
other
places
that
use
different
language.
We
want
to
take
a
Content,
neutral
approach
and
be
consistent,
and
we
just
simply
said
a
solicitation
is
a
request
for
anything.
Okay,
so
again,
we've
built
in
exceptions
where
they
need
to
be
built
in,
but
we
have
standardized
the
language
so
that
we
do
not
have
anyone
having
to
determine
the
content
of
someone's
speech.
Y
Same
definition,
throughout
now,
I
want
to
move
to
the
second
code
ordinance,
and
this
is
the
street
side
solicitation
or
roadside
solicitation
ordinance.
It's
11-14.
It
comes
from
the
authority
from
North
Carolina
General
statute
20-175,
which
gives
cities
the
authority
to
regulate
this,
and
this
one's
pretty
straightforward.
What
we've
done
here
is
take
almost
the
exact
language
verbatim
out
of
the
state
statute
and
Rewritten
it
into
our
city
code.
This
is
what
the
state
law
says.
Y
This
is
exactly
what
it
says
you
can
do
around
regulating
this,
and
this
is
actually
what
was
already
on
the
books.
We
just
believe
that
the
language
was
very
confusing.
It
was
all
sort
of
lumped
together
and
what
we've
done
is
take
each
individual
apart,
separate
them
and
delineate
Point
by
Point
what
you
can
and
cannot
do
to
make
this
much
more
clear,
including
the
exception.
So
now
you
can
see
in
green
and
red.
You
are
able
to
solicit
from
the
street
the
shoulder
the
median.
Y
If
you
have
a
permit-
and
there
is
a
process-
the
city
Edition
permits
based
upon
meeting
certain
safety
criteria.
You
are
not
allowed
under
the
current
city,
ordinance
to
solicit
from
the
street
the
shoulder
or
the
median.
Without
a
permit.
You
can
solicit
from
the
sidewalks
as
long
as
you're,
not
violating
any
other
walls
to.
A
Solicitation
is
this
very
narrow,
I
I
assume
that
was
actually
like,
because
people
sold
newspapers.
Y
There's
actually
a
separate
allowance
for
that.
This
is
what
you
may
see
in
you
don't
see
as
much
anymore,
but
perhaps
you'll
see
the
local
fire
department
or
sheriff's
department
or
police
department
raising
money,
and
they
may
be
out
in
the
middle
of
a
a
smaller
area.
Less
traffic
Street
asking
for
donations.
Other
charitable
organizations
will
use
this
from
time
to
time,
but
there's
a
process
by
which
you
are
getting
the
necessary
road
signs
and
Cones
Insurance
Provisions
contracts
in
place
so
that
the
city
knows
you're
going
to
be
out
there.
Y
The
goal
is
that
if
pedestrians
are
interacting
with
vehicles
that
the
safety
precautions
are
in
place
and
what
you
can
see
here
under
the
state
or
the
state
statute,
as
well
as
your
current
ordinance,
which
we've
simply
just
Rewritten
in
a
more
clear
fashion,
you
are
continuously
allowed
to
solicit.
This
does
not
restrict
the
ability
to
solicit
that
is
specifically
provided
for
in
state
law.
Y
It's
protected
under
our
constitution
and
the
existing
ordinance
continues
to
allow
that,
if
you
are
in
a
pedestrian,
safe
space,
which
is
the
sidewalk
as
opposed
to
in
a
place
where
you're
going
to
be
interacting
with
vehicles
now.
Finally,
I
just
want
to
give
a
quick
overview.
Y
This
is
also
consistent
with
the
statutory
Authority
prescribed
by
state
law,
but
I
will
highlight
this
again.
These
changes
that
we
talk
about
tonight
do
not
expand
the
existing
regulations.
In
my
opinion,
they
do
not
add
new
or
increase
any
of
the
penalties,
but
they
do
keep
the
city
in
compliance
with
the
latest
law.
Now,
based
upon
this,
I
would
have
a
suggested
Council
action,
but
before
we
get
that,
I
will
always
stand
for
any
questions
that
you
have.
G
Also
in
my
letter
that
I
sent
a
council
on
a
version
of
the
public
letter
that
I
sent
last
week
hope
that
we
might
be
able
to
have
a
conversation
about
our
priorities.
I
feel
very
strongly
that
expanding
this
ordinance,
not
only
to
stretch
from
the
very
serious
work
we
need
to
do
addressing
the
issues
at
hand,
but
it
doesn't
meet
the
issue
and
create
some
new
problems.
R
And
you
know
what
councilwoman
Roney
I
agree
with
your
assessment
in
part,
so
I'd
ask
you
to
consider
that
it
also
actually
Narrows
what
can
be
done.
What
I
mean
by
that
is
because
the
language
is
ambiguous
at
this
point,
what
might
be
in
close
proximity
to
me
a
reasonable
distance
might
not
be
that
to
you.
So
to
me,
25
feet
might
be
too
much.
So
if,
for
me
at
this
point,
25
feet
is
too
much
moving
it
to
eight
is
actually
narrowing
it.
So
just
keep
that
in
mind.
I
appreciate
that.
Y
And
I
do
appreciate
the
comments
and
I
want
to
again
take
this
opportunity
to
be
clear
that
this
particular
restriction,
as
proposed
for
council's
consideration
tonight,
only
applies
under
two
circumstances.
It
is
when
you
have
made
an
attempt
to
solicit
someone
who
said
no.
You
can
continue
to
solicit
around
that
person.
That's
already
on
the
books,
we're
just
trying
to
propose
a
distance
to
Define
that
and
around
Transit
stops.
That's
the
only
place
that
this
would
apply.
So
I
just
want
to
make
that
clear
so
that
the
public
hears.
M
Brad
I
recognize
you're,
not
an
officer
with
the
police
department,
but
I
have
a
question
that
so
I
brought
this
up
I
think
last
year,
because
I
was
a
little
concerned
about
what
I
was
seeing
and
what
we
were
able
to
do,
and
it
was
explained
to
me
that
it
was
already
not
allowed,
but
we
were
having
trouble
enforcing
it
is.
Can
you
elaborate
on
that?
Y
To
that,
so
we've
had
conversations
with
APD
and
I'm
not
going
to
to
attempt
to
speak
for
them
on
this.
What
I
can
say
is
that,
as
everyone
is
aware,
we
have
had
staffing
issues
within
that
department
that
has
required
them
to
prioritize
certain
things.
What
I
think
is
important
to
remember
for
the
perspective
of
what
we're
doing
tonight
is
that
in
order
for
APD
or
any
City
staff,
member
or
Department,
to
be
able
to
enforce
our
ordinances,
we
number
one
need
defensible
ordinances
and
we
need
clear
where
this
is.
Y
We
feel
in
my
office
that
we
have
both
of
those
as
problems
in
your
current
restrictions.
Is
we're
trying
to
address
that
with
the
technical
amendments
that
we
proposed
that
will
provide
what
we
think
is
a
better
foundation
for
APD,
given
their
capacity
limitations
to
be
able
to
enforce
the
ordinances
the
council
have
already
approved.
So
I
would
say
that
this
is
part
of
that
process.
Y
There
is
obviously
additional
layers
in
that
chain
about
what
the
priorities
are,
what
the
philosophy
is
and
and
what
the
capacity
is,
but
none
of
that
can
happen
unless
you
have
defensible
ordinances
on
the
books
to
start
with.
M
Okay,
thank
you.
It
does
seem
to
me
there's
an
underlying
tone
here
like
when
we
just
did
this
60-day
initiative.
That
now
is
continuing
forward.
We
learned
some
of
the
feedback
in
that
data
was
that
there
was
something
like
400,
plus
verbal
warnings
and
I'm
kind
of
getting
the
undertone
here,
that
it's
not
that
the
police
department
or
us
on
the
city
council
want
to
go
out
and
physically
arrest
people
for
this.
It's
more
that
we
want
to
be
able
to
move
people
along.
It's
almost
like
the
absence
of
any
structure
around.
M
I
M
T
M
B
T
B
T
We
weren't
moving
people
along.
That
was
not
the
intention.
The
intention
was
to
let
people
know
of
the
laws
that
we
had
on
on
our
books,
the
ordinance
that
we
had
on
our
books
and
then
to
redirect
them
to
resources,
and
we
had
Partners
there
at
that
time
to
redirect
them
to
the
resources
that
they
needed.
Y
Compliance
does
not
mean,
and
the
hope
is
that
it
does
not
result
in
criminalization
in
arrests
and
additional
police
interaction,
Beyond
trying
to
ensure
that
you
are
getting
compliance.
The
ordinances
are
designed
to
provide
for
a
balance
between
a
protection
of
legal
rights
for
both
sides
of
this
particular
equation,
along
with
the
safety
concerns,
and
that's
particularly
evident,
I
believe
in
the
roadside
solicitation
ordinance
where.
E
Y
Are
seeing
a
pretty
you
know
it's
it's
multiple
Parts,
but
it's
pretty
clear.
It's
saying
that
pedestrians
have
a
safe
space,
we're
going
to
protect
and
provide
an
option
for
them
to
be
able
to
continue
this
activity,
but
in
a
place
where
pedestrians
are
supposed
to
be
where
they
still
have
access
to
Vehicles,
where
they
still
have
access
to
the
First
Amendment
rights,
but
to
try
to
regulate
areas
where
the
degree
of
safety
concern
goes
considerably
up
and
that's
within
the
roadway
in
areas
that
are
not
designed
for
pedestrians.
G
So
now
we
have
a
new
problem
on
the
point.
In
time
count
the
city
manager
and
I
were
assigned
Pritchard
Park,
it
was
empty.
My
great-grandmother
was
born
and
raised
in
Kenilworth
I
have
family
Roots
here,
I
moved
here
in
2006
no
picture
of
my
family's
archive
and
no
visual
of
my
eyes
have
I
ever
seen.
G
G
W
A
Think
it's
fair
to
say
there
are
a
great
number
that
are
but,
but
that
is
not
necessarily
the
case
for,
for
everyone
and
Asheville
has
a
dynamic
city.
It
has
a
lot
of
things
going
on
in
it.
A
People
are
having
all
kinds
of
experiences
here
and
some
choose
this
method
to
you
know:
try
try
to
attain
funds
or
what
up
whatever
from
the
community,
but
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
that
it's
always
a
person
who's
experiencing
homelessness,
I
I
will
Brad
I
want
to
thank
you
for
your
work
and
your
group's
work
on
updating
our
Antiquated
ordinance.
I
know
there
have
been
a
number
of
Court
decisions
around
panhandling
that
I
think
surprise.
A
Anyone
who's,
not
a
lawyer,
but
because
it
is
a
protected
First,
Amendment
speech
and
I
and
I
appreciate
just
the
discussion
that
was
had
in
environmental
Public
Safety
around
other
ways
to
tackle
this
issue
that
we're
seeing
in
other
cities
where,
where
there's
an
approach
to
actually
restrict
The
Giver
the
person
who
is
giving-
and
that
may
be
a
step
too
far
for
for
Asheville
I,
do
want
to
say.
A
We
have
gotten
a
lot
of
communication
on
this
issue:
lots
of
different
viewpoints
about
it,
but
but
of
the
folks
that
are
concerned
about
updating
this
ordinance
or
were
surprised
to
learn
that
we
even
had
an
ordinance
that
could
even
possibly
be
enforced.
I
think
what
one
of
the
themes
I
heard
was.
Why
don't
you
address
the
root
causes
as
to
why
people
are
suffering
and
why
they
feel
the
need
to.
A
To
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
I
I
think
this
Council
has
remained
focused
and
has
a
voted
to
support
the
recommendations
from
the
National
Alliance
to
end
homelessness.
We're
we
are
trying
to
tackle
this
on
all
fronts.
We
talk
about
the
challenges
in
our
community
being
multifaceted
and
require
a
lot
of
collaboration
and
partnership.
A
This
happens
to
be
one
area
that
we
actually
have
some
authority
over
as
opposed
to
all
sorts
of
other
challenges:
mental
health
issues,
housing
substance,
use,
addiction.
We
we
don't.
You
know
we
don't
we're,
not
necessarily
the
direct
service
providers
for
a
lot
of
those
services,
but
we
have
been
working
very
hard
with
our
partners
to
try
to
figure
out
how
to
address
root
causes
in
our
community.
So
to
me,
I
I
just
want
to
emphasize
that
this
doesn't.
A
This
is
this
is
one
part
of
a
large
conversation
that
has
a
lot
of
pieces
to
it.
This
council
is
going
to
be
asked
to
at
our
hopefully
or
next
meeting
to
to
consider
the
recommendations
of
the
the
subcommittee
of
Hayek,
which
is
going
to
recommend
some
emergency
shelter
needs
to
expand
our
emergency,
shelter
opportunities
and
regular
shelter.
Opportunities
on
a
year-round
basis,
send
the
price
tag,
for
that
is
significant.
We're
going
to
need
to
talk
about
that
and
our
partners
in
in
approaching
the
that
need.
A
That's
just
one
example:
I
was
talking
today
with
the
director
of
Homeward
Bound
who's,
getting
ready
to
open
some
permanent
Supportive
Housing
units
on
Tunnel
Road.
The
city
has
robustly
partnered
in
that
program
and
that
project
and
given
significantly
and
we've
also
supported
a
another
similar
project
along
those
lines
as
well
so
I
I
just
want
to
I
just
want
to
make
sure
it's
clear.
You
know
we
hear
a
lot
from
people.
What
are
you
doing?
A
A
It's
not
going
to
be
enough.
We
are
experiencing
a
crisis.
This
is
an
overwhelming
challenge
for
for
for
people
in
our
community
and
for
our
community
as
a
whole.
So
I
just
want
to
give
some
context
for
what
we're
considering
tonight
and
and
to
emphasize
the
point
that
our
City
attorney
made
that
these
differing
opinions,
but
for
the
most
part,
these
are
technical
amendments
in
nature.
We,
if
we
do
want
to
consider
further
changes
to
this
ordinance,
we'll
be
doing
that
in
October.
M
I
appreciate
you
speaking
to
the
root
causes
part
two,
because
in
looking
back
at
what
I
mean
I've
been
involved
in
housing,
maybe
seven
or
eight
years
for
the
city
and
I,
just
can't
remember
a
time
in
history
when
we
have
done
more
around
housing
and
emergency
housing,
even
during
the
pandemic,
with
what
we
did
with
the
Civic
Center
I
mean
in
the
Ramada.
There's
just
been
so
much
so
I
appreciate
you
bringing
up
the
root
causes,
because
I
was
surprised
at
some
of
the
input
too.
M
N
N
So,
first
off
thanks
to
the
members
of
the
public,
who
heard
my
request
for
input
and
contacted
me
to
share
your
thoughts,
ideas,
hopes
and
fears,
I
told
you
I
was
listening,
I
meant
it
and
here's
some
of
what
I've
learned
first
I,
really
do
sense
that
our
community
is
in
agreement
that
we
need
to
band
together
to
address
the
root
causes.
I
appreciate
that
sentiment,
Sage
that
I
don't
know
if
I
could
find
another
time
where
we've
done
more.
Is
it
enough
or
no
do
we
need
to
do
more?
N
N
The
other
thing
that
just
is
really
clear
is
that
we
do
not
all
agree
on
the
methods
to
address
the
issues
or
on
the
short-term
approaches.
I
hear
a
lot
of
folks
being
like.
Are
you
tone
deaf?
It
is
so
clear
and
I'm
telling
you
I'm
listening,
and
it
is
not
so
clear.
Our
community
is
very
divided
and
doesn't
talk
to
each
other,
but
they
talk
to
us.
They
tell
us
all
the
thoughts
so
I'm
listening
I
know.
My
colleagues
are
as
well.
N
N
I?
Don't
support
prohibiting
this
practice?
I
I
suggest
we
don't
consider
it
any
further.
What
I
am
deeply
understanding
through
lots
of
conversation
is
that
charity
is
intensely
personal
and
spiritual
and
religious
for
many
and
I.
Don't
see
that
government
intervening
in
that
individual's
choice
of
Charity
is
in
our
best
interest.
N
R
I
piggyback
on
what
you
said
about
the
donations
from
the
vehicles
I'm
so
glad
you
said
that,
because
that
feels
to
me,
but
again
I'm
looking
at
it
through
an
equity
lens.
My
experience
has
been
you
know
in
the
workplace.
Whenever
we
have
these
donate
to
this
person
or
this
cause,
it
tends
to
be
the
folks
who
are
less
financially
well
off
who'll
end
up
being
the
first
to
contribute.
I
always
assume,
that's
because
they
can
see
themselves
in
the
person
that
they're
giving
to
and
going
there
before.
R
The
grace
of
God
go
live,
but
that's
just
something
that
I
found
so
I
believe
that
if
we
were
to
find
folks
for
giving
we'd
be
finding
folks
who
are
just
slightly
less
vulnerable
than
the
people
that
they're
sicken
to
help
and
that's
an
equity
concern
for
me,.
A
B
A
Anybody
else
want
to
talk:
okay,
I'm,
going
to
talk
a
little
process.
We
will
need
a
motion
and
a
second
and
then
we
will
take
comment
right
now.
We
have
25
people
signed
up
to
speak
under
this
item,
and
so
normally
we
allow
for
up
to
an
hour
of
public
comment.
What
I
would
what
I
would
suggest,
maybe
is
that
we
do
two
minutes
for
each
person
rather
than
three
remember
well,
so
that
we
can
get
everyone
in
before
bedtime,
okay,
okay,
that
will
or.
R
G
A
All
right
three
minutes:
unless
do
you
want
to
do
two,
you
I
say
we'd,
be
at
the
city,
we'd
be
at
the
60
the
hour?
Okay!
Well,
that's
that's
another
way
to
do
it.
Okay,
so
we'll
just
I.
M
A
A
I'll
second-
and
we
have
a
second
all
right,
the
first
so
remember
it
was
a
long
time
ago,
but
I
three
minutes
per
speaker
watch
the
lights
on
the
lectern.
The
first
person
signed
up
to
speak
is
Sheila,
suret
and
I.
Think
Sheila
you
have
some
slides,
don't
you
Maggie
Maggie?
You
helped
her
with
that.
B
AA
I'm
here
to
speak
about
panhandling
and
how
bad
it
is
for
our
city
and
how
it's
torn
up
our
tourism
in
our
city,
so
I
just
want
to
show
you
a
few
slides
here
about
how
bad
it
is
in
this
city.
You
don't
think
it
is
if
you're
not
out
and
about
look
at
this
man
here.
His
name
is
Santa.
Claus
he's
been
doing
this
for
12
to
15
years,
downtown
Asheville,
going
up
to
people
in
their
face
and
they're
I
mean
it's
ridiculous.
AA
He
has
no
right
to
do
that,
begging
for
money
and
he
does
it
all
day
long
all
day,
long
downtown
this
woman
here
she
sits
there
with
her
dog,
holds
signs
everywhere
and
she's
been
complaining
about
many
many
times
by
residents
downtown
with
wheelchairs,
because
when
the
traffic
is
real,
heavy
and
you've
got
a
heavy
weekend
and
people
are
just
walking.
People
are
having
issues
getting
through
with
a
wheelchair
and
they
have
spoken
to
APD
about
this
many
times
the
people
with
the
wheelchairs
that.
B
AA
AA
He
goes
to
the
wine
store
and
he's
right
there.
If
you
can't
see
it
he's
got
a
beer
and
a
little
black.
It's
a.
What
do
you
call
it.
Pat's
Blue
Ribbon,
it's
a
tall
beer
and
once
he
does
that
he
sits
outside
the
businesses
and
he
will
curse
you.
If
you
do
not
give
him
money,
he
sits
there
all
day,
long
and
curses
you.
AA
AA
AA
AA
E
AA
B
AB
AA
AC
Good
evening,
council
members,
thank
you
for
your
service
in
this
community
and
your
commitment
to
creating
a
better
Asheville
for
everyone
here
once
asked
what
was
the
greatest
challenge
to
our
goals
in
this
city?
I
said
human
beings,
because
it
is
humans
who
make
choices
to
harm
and
denigrate
others.
The
goal
for
Public
Safety
in
the
city
will
never
be
reached
if
Solutions
are
punitive
and
carceral
I
was
deeply
saddened
to
see.
AC
Members
of
this
Council
entertain
the
notion
that
we
could
make
giving
illegal
from
my
car
or
anywhere
but
ships
around
the
periphery
like
giving
people
eight
feet
of
room
instead
of
six
or
creating
zones
or
places
like
the
median
where
solicitation
is
off.
Limits
simply
creates
deeper
challenges
for
needs
to
be
met.
The
intention
may
be
to
do
just
that,
but
cutting
off
resources
won't
cut
down
the
needs
of
our
most
vulnerable.
It's
likely
to
create
greater
need.
AC
If
Public
Safety
is
done
with
the
hopes
of
sustainable
change,
then
it
can't
be
done
by
making
more
people
vulnerable
and
seeking
to
expand
criminalization
of
behaviors
the
attorney
named.
It
is
not
the
hope,
but
it
is
what
is
indeed
proposed.
These
are
short-term
and
short-sighted
solutions
that
create
and
further
entrench
the
problem.
While
satisfying
our
basist
human
desires,
we
can't
police
away
the
social
ills
of
our
days
and
it
isn't
fair
to
expect
our
police
officers
to
do
so
either.
AC
Furthermore,
the
shifting
economic
realities
downtown
can't
be
laid
at
the
feet
of
those
experiencing
homelessness
or
asking
for
assistance
on
the
streets
as
a
residence
for
clothes
as
a
resident
for
close
to
two
decades.
My
shift
in
coming
to
downtown
is
about
parking
costs
and
expenses
that
the
businesses
many
Asheville
residents
can't
afford
to
enjoy
our
city
at
the
rates,
tourists
with
great
access
might
be
able
to
the
market
is
saturated
with
great
options
and
only
so
much
capacity
for
those
of
us
who
live
here.
AC
That's
about
a
failed
economy,
the
same
thing
that
plagues
those
who
live
on
our
streets,
it's
hard
to
see
our
transient
population.
It
reminds
us
of
our
own
Privileges
and
the
injustices
of
the
world
in
the
opioid
crisis,
failed
mental
health
system
and
deeply
problematic,
problematic
housing.
Reality
made
worse
by
investments
in
real
estate
that
bankroll
further
privilege
and
deny
housing
to
our
workers
and
residents.
It
is
only
through
seeing
that
we
will
ever
make
the
changes
needed
as
a
pastor.
AC
Who
knows
Solutions
aren't
easy,
I
ask
you
to
stop
expending
energy
on
more
changes,
and
especially
those
technical
amendments,
some
of
which
actually
make
substantive
changes
like
spacing,
and
permitting
these
proposals
make
us
all
more
comfortable
in
the
short
term.
At
the
cost
of
energy
spent
on
long-term
Solutions
has
councilman
mostly
said
I'm
pretty
sure.
Maybe
not
exactly
these
words.
Sometimes,
what
is
great
for
Asheville
is
not
great
for
the
most
vulnerable.
If
we
want
a
better
Asheville,
we
have
to
be
better
humans
to
All
Humans.
A
O
Conversation
isn't
about
the
details
of
an
ordinance.
This
is
about
what
do
we
want
our
city
to
be,
and
what
do
we
want
to
become
I'll
bet?
Every
single
person
in
this
room
is
reached
into
their
pocket
at
one
time
to
give
to
a
homeless
person.
We've
all
felt
moved
at
some
point.
I'll
bet.
Every
single
person
in
this
room
has
the
compassion
to
hope
that
the
chronically
unhoused
find
the
services
they
need
to
become
healthy,
supported
and
functional.
O
The
Asheville
Coalition
for
Public
Safety
is
met
with
several
homeless
organizations.
To
get
a
better
understanding,
we
attended
the
National
Alliance
to
end
homelessness.
Meeting
we've
met
with
law
enforcement,
we've
toured
the
city
jail,
we've
met
with
all
sorts
of
local
leaders
and
the
one
thing
we
hear
over
and
over
again
is
addiction
and
poor.
Mental
health
make
up
the
chronically
homeless.
The
two
go
hand
in
hand
now.
O
We've
met
with
who
serve
the
homeless,
actually
do
not
believe
in
giving
to
people
in
the
streets
as
they
believe
it
enables
their
addiction
or
supports
a
larger
ring
of
exploitation.
In
other
words,
it
enables
them
to
continue
in
their
addiction
rather
than
access.
The
many
services
our
city
provides.
We've
been
told
that
anyone
can
access
a
free
meal
and
a
bed
anytime,
but
they
have
to
mine
the
rules.
So
in
all
reality,
we
don't
have
enough
police
officers
to
manage
Asheville,
let
alone
focus
on
minor
misdemeanor
crimes.
O
The
real
Focus
needs
to
be
on
raising
the
entry-level
salaries
to
a
living
wage
to
recruit
and
retain
right
now,
the
starting
salary
is
under
forty
six
thousand
dollars
a
year
at
3
800
a
month.
We
have
other
municipalities
advertising
on
billboards
to
recruit
our
officers
out
of
Asheville.
We
train
them
really
well,
and
then
we
lose
them
to
places
that
pay
more
and
have
affordable
housing.
So
what
do
we
want
Asheville
to
be?
Do
we
want
to
be
San
Francisco?
Do
we
want
to
lose
businesses?
O
Ask
the
merchants
downtown
ask
the
businesses
on
Tunnel
Road,
ask
the
residents
Who.
Currently,
the
restaurants
that
are
down
20
percent
as
the
long-term
generational
business
owners
who
remember
when
Asheville
was
boarded
up.
It
may
seem
like
it,
isn't
that
bad
right
now,
but
remember
where
we
were
a
year
ago,
law,
enforcement's
basic
critical
infrastructure.
We
need
to
support
the
Asheville
Police
Department.
Thank
you.
A
S
S
B
S
Are
forced
to
accompany
them
and
line
the
hot
sun
for
hours
on
end,
while
a
person
begs
for
spare
change
with
the
next
drug
or
alcohol
addiction,
the
money
is
not
for
food
or
shelter.
It's
for
addiction,
I've,
seen
whole
families
with
young
children
as
part
of
the
props
to
Target
the
heart
strings
of
the
general
public.
These
children
should
be
in
school.
There
are
many
non-profits
assisting
people
with
food
and
shelter,
and
these
people
should
utilize
these
resources.
S
Non-Profits
should
assist
people
as
they
do
assist
people
and
getting
meals,
housing,
medical
treatment
and
people
should
utilize
them.
It's
unconscionable
that
people
accept
they're
having
their
fellow
human
beings
begging
on
the
sides
of
the
streets
when
there
are
resources
that
have
funding
and
expertise
to
assist
them.
It's
the
city's
job
to
create
and
maintain
Public
Safety
for
all
citizens.
The
actual
Coalition
for
Public
Safety
is
demanding
Safe
Streets
I'd
like
to
thank
the
Asheville
Police
Department
and
the
difficult
work
that
they
are
tasked
with.
Please
vote
to
support
this
amendment
and
thank
you
for.
AD
Mayor
Madam
vice
mayor
members
of
council,
my
name
is
Ben
scales
and
my
wife
and
I
have
lived
in
the
Montford
neighborhood
for
about
20
years,
and
we've
raised
our
three
children
here.
We've
been
heavily
involved
in
our
community
and
I
know.
Each
of
you
personally
and
I
know
that
each
of
you
bring
the
best
intentions
to
this
discussion
and
I'm
particularly
moved
by
the
mayor's
remarks
right
before
the
public
statements.
AD
When
you
talked
about
how
we
are
need
to
address
the
root
causes,
and
so
I
I
was
going
to
talk
about
that
and
I'm
not
going
to
talk
about
that.
But
what
I
am
going
to
talk
about
is
what
I
believe
that
these
changes
are
more
than
just
technical
amendments.
I
do
believe
that
they,
while
they
don't
increase
penalties,
they
do
increase
the
restrictions
and
I
believe
that
they
will
increase
the
burden
already
overworked.
AD
AD
AD
Eight
feet
is
not
close,
and
it's
not
far
enough
away
to
protect
someone
from
being
accosted
or
being
yelled
at
or
being
continually
solicited
from
the
other
rule
that
I,
don't
believe,
is
going
to
be
enforceable.
Is
the
family
member
exception
I
believe
that
we
are
all
members
of
the
same
family
I?
AD
AD
AE
Mayor
at
distinguished
Council
fellow
citizens,
frantro
my
wife
and
I
just
moved
here
to
Nashville
Asheville.
We
moved
here
because
we
have
family
and
in
fact
we
just
had
a
new
grandson
going
at
Mission
a
few
days
ago.
AE
Both
are
protected
speeches
there's
no
exception
as
far
as
I
see
to
busking
in
terms
of
panhandling
and
under
the
First
Amendment
panhandling
has
a
value
both
for
the
panhandler,
those
on
the
receiving
end
as
well.
It's
the
baby
that
cries
for
Relief
and
nurturing
it's
a
message
that
we're
getting
that
Society
is
still
needs.
Work
and
I
appreciate
what
you
talked
about
mayor
about
how
Asheville
is
doing
a
lot
of
work
in
that
regard.
AE
But
it
reminds
me
it
was
still
not
taking
care
of
all
of
us.
The
tweaking
of
an
already
fluid
ordinance
actually
brings
more
attention
to
it.
Legally
I've
as
a
civil
rights
lawyer,
I've
sued
well-reasoned,
City
attorney
ordinances
for
years
and
and
one
many
cases,
I
was
in
Portland
for
19
years.
Doing
that
and
so
I
think
we
need
to
go
back
to
the
drawing
board
and
remember
that
the
Familia
exception
proposed
in
the
in
the
code
has
been
skill.
AE
A
Okay,
Rachel
Bliss
and
then
after
Rachel
Bliss
is
Mark
Delk.
AB
Good
evening,
City,
Council,
Members
I
think
in
a
way
a
lot
of
time
is
being
devoted
to
getting
even
with
panhandlers
I
live
downtown
I've
lived
downtown
for
nearly
15
years.
I
get
to
know
some
of
the
some
of
the
panhandlers.
They
have
a
listening
ear.
AB
AB
AF
Council
members
I
want
to
thank
God
Fred
for
his
excellent
assessment
of
Reed
and
Reagan
and
chapter
20
and
chapter
160.,
but
I
also
want
to
address
a
comment
that
the
mayor
made.
We
really
do
need
to
look
at
the
root
causes
and
several
people
have
hit
all
around
it.
Addiction
and
substance
abuse
folks.
The
problems
come
up
when
someone
is
not
reasonable,
where
they're
not
in
their
right
mind
and
you
as
Community
leaders,
have
the
ability
to
talk
to
some
of
the
people
who
are
empowering
enabling
that
kind
of
addiction
I'm
disturbed.
AF
When
I
hear
people
talk
about
harm
reduction
as
an
effective
strategy
to
solve
the
problem,
because
I
don't
think
there
is
harm
reduction
in
the
strategies
that
are
being
addressed,
I
think
there's
harm
reassignment,
sure
the
addict
may
not
get
Hepatitis
C,
but
what
about
the
child
that
picks
up
the
used?
Beetles
that
the
addict
has
just
thrown
down?
We
need
to
focus
and
we
have
the
resource
here.
I've
heard
people
talk
about
criminalization.
AF
Well,
our
court
systems
have
a
three-prong
method.
The
first
is
to
discourage
undesirable
contact
conduct.
The
second
is
to
rehabilitate
people
that
can
be
rehabilitated,
that
can't
be
discouraged,
and
the
third
is
to
isolate
the
people
that
can't
be
discouraged
or
rehabilitated
I'm
here
to
tell
you
that
our
court
systems
do
have
a
method
not
just
to
deal
with
the
symptom,
but
to
deal
with
the
solution
and
I'm
going
to
call
it.
AF
The
drug
court
system
Waynesville
just
got
a
big
Grant
from
the
general
assembly
and
I'd
like
to
enlist
each
one
of
you
to
speak
to
friends
on
your
side
of
the
aisle
in
the
legislature
and
I
promise.
You
I'll
speak
to
my
friends
on
my
side
of
the
aisle
in
the
legislature
and
I
hope.
You'll
also
speak
with
folks
who
are
on
the
Dogwood
trust,
maybe
Susan,
maybe
the
bishop,
maybe
Jack
Cecil,
and
try
to
get
them
to
also
get
on
board
with
helping
with
our
drug
court
system.
AF
AF
We
can
use
the
drug
court
system
and
I
would
encourage
you
to
devote
your
efforts
to
encouraging
that
system
fully
fund
your
Police
Department
they're,
the
entry
guys
to
the
drug
court
system
and
I
see
my
time
is
about
up,
but
I
would
encourage
you
to
speak
with
your
friends,
your
community
leaders.
We
can
do
this.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
AG
Good
evening
neighbors
and
council
members
I
don't
have
a
prepared
speech
or
anything
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
make
a
couple
of
points
here.
What
I'm
hearing
is
a
lot
of
demonization
of
people
who
are
struggling
and
I'm
hearing
a
lot
of
people
who
are
opposed
to
that
and
whether
we
agree
on
the
solutions
or
not.
AG
AG
AG
This
needs
to
change.
I
know
this,
isn't
exactly
what
we're
focusing
on
now,
but
that
is
kind
of
the
basis
of
things.
You
know
we
talk
about
people
who
are
acting
out
on
the
streets
because
those
people
are
in
trauma.
AG
They
have
addiction,
they
have
not
had
a
decent
night's
sleep,
they
do
not
have
basic
resources
and
that
needs
to
be
addressed.
Our
mayor
has
mentioned
that
she's
been
hearing
a
lot
of
that
and
that's
the
fact
of
it.
I've
worked
in
food
service
for
a
good
portion
of
these
years,
so
I've
come
to
know
a
lot
of
the
people
who
live
on
our
streets
and
need
money
and
resources
in
all
this
time,
I
have
never
felt
threatened
by.
Anyone
who
is
in
need.
AG
I
have
been
felt
threatened
by
throngs
of
drunken
Taurus
and
frat
guys
and
good
old
boys
riding
through
our
streets,
hooting
and
hollering
at
people
that
is
when
I
have
felt
threatened.
I
have
not
felt
threatened
by
people
who
are
in
need,
I'm,
not
sure
what
the
solution
is,
except
to
start
seeing
people
as
people
instead
of
objects
that
need
to
be
removed
from.
AG
Site
who
are
making
wealthy
people
and
Taurus
uncomfortable
that
makes
me
uncomfortable
and,
like
my
neighbor
says,
that
these
are
our
neighbors,
the
ours
are
brother.
These
are
our
brothers
and
sisters.
AG
AH
AH
Is
it
awkward
to
know
that
you
are
much
better
off
than
someone
you
encounter?
Who
is
clearly
down
and
out?
Yes,
it
is,
and
the
fear
we
experience
when
we
encounter
someone
struggling,
is
born
of
a
scarcity
mindset.
That
could
be
me
if
I
give
or
share
or
provide
I
won't
have
enough
for
myself
I'm
afraid
to
think
what.
AH
We're
confident
that
it'll
never
happen
to
us
right
that
it's
not
our
responsibility
to
help
is
it
they
deserve
it.
Don't
they
the
solution
to
the
discomfort
we
experience
when
encountering
panhandling
is
not
to
make
it
harder
for
people
to
be
generous
or
for
people
to
ask
for
help.
The
solution
is
to
provide
services
that
make
panhandling
unnecessary
barriers
to
food
and
shelter
are
the
problem.
AH
AH
A
Ella
Smith
and
then
jay
van
Lapp.
AJ
Hey
city
council,
thank
you
for
giving
me
the
time
to
address
you
today.
My
name
is
Ella
Smith.
They
then
pronounce
I
am
a
resident
of
Monfort
I'm
here
today
because
of
the
rumor
that
city
council
planned
to
introduce
a
change
to
city
code,
penalizing
individuals
giving
money
to
panhandlers
I
want
to
thank
mayor
mannheimer
for
noting
the
work
that's
already
being
done
to
address
root
causes.
If
anybody
wants
to
learn
more
about
that
work,
the
homeless
initiative
advisory
committee
meetings
are
open
to
the
public
and
their
reading
materials
are
available
on
the
City
website.
AJ
I
want
to
applaud
council's
decision
last
year
not
to
proceed
with
the
proposed
food
sharing
ordinance,
but
here
we
are
again
with
another
attempt
to
criminalize
kindness,
and
this
is
not
a
good
look
for
Asheville
I
walked
downtown
from
my
apartment
in
Montford
every
day,
I'll
be
walking
home
after
we
adjourn
tonight,
I,
don't
feel
threatened
by
panhandlers
I.
Consider
them
my
neighbors
and
I'm.
Sorry
that
some
people
have
had
bad
experiences
and
I
know.
That's
really
scary,
for
you.
AJ
AJ
Fit
the
same
profile
of
the
folks
we're
talking
about
so
my
tolerance
for
eccentric
behavior
is
probably
higher
than
most
I
know:
Santa
Claus.
He
tells
dad
jokes
last
time.
I
saw
him.
He
told
me
what
did
one
eye
say
to
the
other
eye,
there's
something
between
us
and
it
smells
some
people
think
Asheville
is
becoming
another
crime,
ridden
Chicago
or
San
Francisco.
AJ
They
point
to
visible
signs
of
poverty
as
proof
of
this
homeless.
Individuals
in
particular
are
scapegoated
for
higher
crime
rates,
and
yet
we
know
that
individuals
without
homes
are
more
likely
to
be
victims
of
violent
crime
than
they
are
to
be
perpetrators
and
our
County's
seen
a
decrease
in
crime
rates
over
the
past
few
years.
This
is
from
data
collected
by
our
own
law
enforcement.
AK
AK
Council,
my
name
is
Javen
Lapp.
First,
a
few
things
about
me:
I
grew
up
in
Hendersonville
in
Asheville,
I
love
these
mountains
and
its
people.
I
worked
at
physical
Legal
Services
as
a
public
benefits
attorney
for
three
years,
working
with
thousands
of
low-income
and
homeless
clients
across
Western,
North
Carolina
I
understand
what
it
means
to
be
poor
in
this
town.
Trying
to
meet
basic
needs.
AK
AK
I
understand
the
concerns
for
Public
Safety
I
too,
want
to
feel
safe.
Arresting
panhandlers
doesn't
make
anyone
safer
nobody's
lifted
out
of
poverty
by
arrest.
There
is
no
form
of
policing
or
criminal
code
that
can
end
homelessness
or
poverty.
These
people
are
our
neighbors
who
are
struggling
to
meet
basic
needs.
They
deserve
our
empathy
and
our
compassion.
AK
AK
Ask
their
name
learn
about
their
situation:
they
are
trying,
they
are
people.
These
are
big
issues.
They
are
housing
issues
we
are
in
a
housing
crisis.
We
need
more
housing,
people
need
a
place
to
go
other
than
jail.
All
the
research
tells
us
this
I
trust
council
is
aware
of
this.
You
said
so
much.
You
said
as
much
in
your
open
letter
I'm
here
to
ask
that
you
please
do
not
waste
resources
arresting
the
most
vulnerable
members
of
our
community.
I.
Understand
that
you
all
are
under
pressure
from
tourism.
AK
Focused
businesses
downtown
expecting
you
all
to
solve
this
overnight
is
unreasonable.
Criminalizing
poverty
will
not
solve
poverty,
it
will
definitely
make
it
worse
and
waste
police
jail
and
Court
resources.
It
will
also
increase
criminal
records,
which
can
only
hurt
those
arrested
in
their
job
search.
They
will
still
be
homeless
and
still
need
help.
Meeting
basic
needs.
Assault
is
already
a
crime.
Communicating
threats
is
already
a
crime.
Stalking
is
already
a
crime.
I
ask
you
to
stay
focused
on
housing
and
add
more
limits.
AK
On
my
own
add
more
limits
to
airbnbs
get
rid
of
parking
requirements
for
low-income
housing.
We
can
make
more,
we
care
more
about
how
housing
cars,
Than,
People,
The,
Fuddruckers
parking
lot,
so
key
to
the
character
of
Charlotte
Street
is
still
vacant.
There
are
many
things
you
can
do.
Besides
fill
the
jails
with
poor
people.
This
is
an
issue
that
will
have
me
knocking
doors
in
the
next
primary
election.
If
you
pass
any
attempts
to
criminalize
poverty,
I
promise
to
knock
every
door,
I
can
and
explain
this
to
all
my
neighbors.
B
AL
I'm
thinking
of
the
pledge
to
reimagine,
Public
Safety
and
what
it
might
mean
in
this
instance,
thinking
about
standing
up
for
people
who
are
often
silenced
the
under-resourced
people
who
need
more
help
and
not
criminalization,
and
so
my
ask
is
to
stop
criminalizing
solicitation
and
in
in
part,
we
really
need
to
stop
the
over
policing
of
these
folks.
AL
We
do
have
a
police
department
that
has
other
priorities,
which
I
think
are
a
lot
more
important,
and
this
eight
feet
that
we're
talking
about
is
going
to
I
think
encourage
the
police
to
do
more
to
criminalize
these
folks
and
to
use
that
as
a
weapon
and
I
really
don't
want
to
see
all
of
these
police
resources
being
put
just
towards
the
criminalization
of
panhandlers.
AL
So
I
think
this
is
an
opportunity
not
to
mirror
what's
going
on
in
the
rest
of
America
I.
Think
we
do
need
innovative
solutions
here
in
Asheville.
We
we're
doing
amazing
things
with
things
like
reparations
in
Asheville
and
we
have
other
opportunities
to
not
draw
within
the
lines
and
not
be
like
the
rest
of
America
and
to
show
our
values
for
me.
AL
I've
found
that,
even
though
I
have
had
fear
occasionally
when
being
interacted
with
someone,
who's,
panhandling
I've
gotten
over
that
and
started
to
have
conversations,
sometimes
I
give
and
sometimes
I,
don't
but
rolling
down
my
window
and
actually
speaking
with
these
people,
has
actually
provided
a
much
deeper
sense
of
ease
for
me
and
for
me
or
for
other
people.
If
we
don't
see
the
panhandlers
on
the
roads,
we
might
actually
forget
that
this
problem
even
exists.
I
think
it's
important.
AL
If
we
have
a
problem
here
in
Asheville
that
we
don't
hide
that
problem
that
it
actually
exists
visually
in
our
community,
so
that
we
can
face
it
head
on
and
I
think
it's
natural
that
there's
fear
around
this,
but
over
policing
and
having
this
eight
foot
barrier,
which
is
only
increasing
the
criminalization
of
panhandling,
is
not
the
solution.
I
think
we
need
to
have
clear
eyes
and
go
back
to
the
drawing
board
on
this
resolution.
A
And
after
Rina
katsovitz,
it's
Elizabeth
Rawlings
you're
asking
if
we
we
do
need
a
break.
I
know
we
need
a
break.
I
need
a
break,
but
let's,
let's
do
the
next
two
and
then
we'll
take
a
break.
I
know.
P
P
How
can
someone
without
access
to
a
phone
apply
for
such
a
permit?
How
could
presume?
How
could
presumably,
this
week's
long
process
be
someone
who's
hungry
tonight?
How
could
it
ensure
someone
who
needs
a
bus
ticket
can
get
one
for
me
to
give
them
so
that
they
can
get
home
and
sleep
in
their
own
bed.
P
P
P
While
there
is
one
group
here
in
support
of
this
ordinance,
there
are
so
many
more
of
us
from
so
many
walks
of
life
in
opposition
is
in
opposition
to
the
ordinance
changes.
I
ask
that
you
stand
with
Asheville
in
center
and
care
and
kindness
for
those
around
us
and
to
please
not
further
criminalize
or
invisibilize
those
living
in
poverty
in
our
communities.
Thank
you.
So
much.
D
D
If
we
are
working
for
safety
for
everyone,
we
have
a
plan
to
eliminate
homelessness
that
will
be
cheaper,
more
effective
and
more
just.
Why
not
continue
to
put
our
energies
into
that
plan
rather
than
considering
further
criminalizing?
Poverty
is
what
some
people
think
is
best
for
Asheville
going
to
harm
the
most
vulnerable
Among
Us.
Can
we
actually
reimagine
Public
Safety,
like
imagine
new
ways
to
create
Public
Safety
outside
of
punishment?
D
People
who
have
substance
use
disorder
are
often
medicating
out
of
a
lack
of
mental
health
care
and
not
giving
them.
Resources
to
use
will
not
stop
them
from
accessing
or
using
what
they
use
to
medicate.
They
will
find
a
way,
sometimes
giving
money
to
a
person
on
the
street
that
they
and
they
end
up,
buying
self-medicating
substances.
It
might
help
them
stay
alive.
A
AI
AI
AI
AI
Surely
there
are
already
statutes
that
can
protect
people
from
harassment
or
vandalism
from
people
who
have
serious
mental
health
conditions
and
I
understand
that
it
feels
bad
to
see
the
visible
manifestation
of
our
society's
lack
of
concern
for
the
most
needy.
But
punishment
is
not
the
answer.
Increased
services
and
compassion
are
the
answer.
A
Patrick
Conan
and
then
Greenleaf
Clark.
AM
Today,
you
were
formally
boating
on
some
technical
changes.
However,
you
are
also
informally
directing
staff
to
continue
efforts
to
expand
the
city's
solicitation,
ordinance
and
I
feel
that's
the
more
significant
decision.
Our
existing
ordinance
already
imposes
restrictions
on
panhandling
activities
throughout
the
city.
We
have
regulations
on
solicitation
for
medians
or
in
public
roads.
AM
Most
of
the
concerns
I
hear
are
already
covered
by
existing
award
points.
It
seems
to
me
the
council
is
attempting
to
legislate
their
way
out
of
an
issue
of
limited
resources
and
lacks
enforcement.
The
environment
and
Safety
Committee
has
proposed
new
ways.
We
can
double
down
on
criminalizing,
not
just
poverty
but
common
acts
of
kindness
in
our
city.
AM
This
proposal
will
introduce
a
new
reason
for
folks
to
get
pulled
over
and
cited
taking
officers
away
from
more
significant
public
safety
concerns.
These
criminal
charges
will
require
residents
to
miss
work
or
other
obligations
to
show
up
for
court
all
for
passing
a
granola
bar
out
their
window,
don't
burden
epd
in
the
entire
Criminal
Justice
System.
Simply
because
you
disagree
with
how
some
residents
choose
the
one
to
hand.
One
of
the
big
challenges
in
this
discussion
is:
the
council
has
not
made
their
intended
goal
cleared
if
the
goal
is
to
improve
pedestrian
safety.
AM
Is
this
the
right
tool
for
the
job?
Did
they
close?
The
gap
plan
identify
an
expansion
of
our
solicitation
ordinance
as
a
priority.
Did
the
National
Alliance
to
end
homelessness,
recommend
the
city
take
steps
to
further
criminalize
poverty
and
mutual
Aid,
of
course
not,
and
that's
why
this
effort
represents
a
tremendous
waste
of
time
and
resources
of
this
Council
of
City
staff
and
of
residence?
AM
It's
a
cold-hearted
distraction
that
overshadows
the
hard
necessary
work
of
Staff,
Community,
Partners
and
Resident
volunteers
on
our
boards
and
committees.
Panhandling
represents
one
of
the
more
visible
symptoms
of
poverty.
Donations
are
one
way
that
individuals
in
Asheville
can
take
direct,
immediate
action.
The
one
to
hand
it's
no
surprise.
This
topic
has
brought
forward
strong
emotions.
AM
Are
these
conversations
bringing
residents
together
and
focusing
action
towards
real
solutions?
It
certainly
doesn't
seem
that
way
to
me
it's
time
to
draw
this
broken
process
to
a
close
I
encourage
Council
to
adopt
the
minimum
required
technical
changes
to
this
ordinance
and
then
table
additional
restrictions
on
donations
or
solicitation
that
way.
Staff
Council
and
residents
can
focus
their
attention
back
on
the
work
that
matters.
Thank
you.
AN
AN
I'm
here
to
speak
against
any
ordinance
that
criminalizes
the
poor
I'm
here
to
get
speak
against
the
city's
war
on
poor
people,
I'm
here
to
argue
for
our
basic
humanity
and
what
is
more
human
than
the
right
to
help
others
in
need
to
be
able
to
offer
help
to
other
people.
These
institutions
that
claim
to
provide
services
are
some
abstraction
of
that
sure.
I
want
systems,
change.
I
would
love
nothing
more
than
to
see
the
resources
of
the
state
and
its
institutions
in
the
hands
of
the
people.
But
that's
not
what
is
on
the
table.
AN
V
I
think
I'd
like
to
voice
opposition
to
the
proposed
amendment,
mostly
to
section
11-4
provision
a
to
the
claim
that
these
proposed
amendments
do
not
include
any
new
or
enhanced
regulation
or
penalties.
V
I
want
to
point
out
that
the
language
changes
from
promoting
solicitation
for
quote
a
ride,
employment
or
business
which,
to
me
all
imply
a
prolonged
or
ongoing
engagement
of
some
kind
to
just
soliciting
period,
which
covers
requests
for
money
or
food
which
are
by
for
by
far
the
more
common
kind
of
solicitation.
So
I
would
certainly
consider
that
an
enhanced
regulation.
V
To
the
notion
of
prohibiting
all
roadside
solicitation
without
a
permit
which,
let's
be
real,
is
all
roadside
solicitation
I
fail
to
see
how
this
benefits
anyone
or
anything
other
than
the
mild
discomfort
of
tourists?
You
can't
reasonably
claim
that
this
is
a
traffic
Hazard.
If
the
phenomenon
of
drivers,
stopping
in
the
middle
of
traffic,
to
give
to
solicitors,
has
become
an
issue,
I
seem
to
have
somehow
missed,
seeing
a
single
instance
of
it
in
a
lifetime
of
living
in
cities
where
this
practice
has
commonplace.
V
Is
this
an
attempt
to
reduce
crime
I
failed
to
see
how
literally
inventing
new
crimes
is
a
means
to
that
end,
not
to
mention
removing
one
of
the
very
few
options
available
to
an
already
desperate
population
seems
like
it
could
have
the
opposite
effect.
If
anything,
to
the
prospect
I
heard
considered
in
previous
meetings
of
criminalizing,
even
giving
to
solicitors,
I
have
to
say
I
am
baffled,
it
seems
cartoonishly
evil
like
something
you
would
do.
After
tying
someone
to
the
railroad
tracks
in
a
handlebar
mustache.
V
V
E
Chad
Nesbitt
from
Leicester
I,
I'm,
a
property
manager
and
I
own
several,
my
wife
and
I
own,
several
commercial
properties
here
in
the
Asheville
area,
so
we're
taxpayers
here
I
think
you
ought
to
do
exactly
what
your
attorney
told
you
to
do
he's.
He
is
everything
he
is
saying
is
spot
on
and
I
can
tell
you
with
some
as
somebody
that
deals
with
this
every
single
day
with
my
customers
and
on
our
own
properties
is
extremely
bad
and
I,
wouldn't
even
be
here.
E
If
I
didn't
think
that
it
wasn't
this
bad
we're
at
the
point
now
where
we
have
people
living
on
the
roof.
On
some
of
these
shopping
centers
on
on
tall
Road
and
in
South
Asheville,
they
are
stealing
the
copper
and
everything
else
out
of
these
HVAC
systems
and
it's
costing
the
property
owners.
Thousands.
E
The
next
thing
you
need
to
know
is-
and
this
is
my
main
reason
for
being
here-
is
the
violence,
and
this
is
not
my
opinion.
This
is
fact
you
can
see
it
from
APD
and
the
Buncombe
County
Sheriff's
Department
a
little
bit
further
out
of
the
city,
but
in
particular
APD,
where
we
have
people
setting
tents
on
fire.
E
One
thing
you
need
to
do.
This
is
sort
of
this
is
in
my
solution
to
this
and
I
I.
Don't
think
you're
hitting
it
hard
enough.
This
is
a
start
I'm
right
there
with
you.
It's
a
start,
thank
God
for
you,
but
some
of
the
biggest
Solutions
here
is
going
to
be
getting
in
touch
with
Congressman,
Chuck
Edwards
and
the
state
legislators,
because
I'm
tired
of
watching
these
people
be
in
filth,
I'm,
tired
of
watching
them.
This
particular
crowd
enabling
drug
use
on
these
people
and
the
needle
situation.
E
We've
got
to
have
a
mental
facility
here
in
Boston,
North,
Carolina
and
I
highly
recommend
you
get
in
contact
with
the
congressmen
and
the
state
legislators
and
make
that
happen.
Secondly,
real
quick
enforce
the
state
laws
that
are
already
here
on
the
books.
The
number
one
is
the
panhandler
cannot
approach
a
vehicle
and
that
eight
foot
rule
is
perfect.
It's
perfect!
It's
putting
people
in
fear.
That's
inside
those
cars
make
all
the
panhandlers
require
a
permit
business
owners
and
communities,
and
this
is
the
root
of
the
problem.
E
The
business
owners
in
the
community
should
hold
Homeward
Bound
accountable
there,
because
Homeward
Bound
is
the
ones
bringing
these
people
here
from
out
of
state
and
that's
a
fact:
business
owners
and
communities
I'm.
Sorry,
the
city
of
Asheville
and
Buncombe
County
should
stop
giving
grants
to
beloved
Asheville
and
these
needle
exchanges.
They
are
aiding
and
abetting
people
living
in
filth
and
drug
use
and,
lastly,
hold
the
magistrates
accountable
to
the
highest
bonds
they
can
muster
for
trespassers
and
handle
and
panhandlers.
Thank
you.
AO
Hi
I'm,
a
wife
I'm,
a
mother,
a
grandmother
and
a
retired
Public
Health
educator
I've
lived
in
Asheville
for
43
years.
AO
AO
AO
I
want
the
city
of
Asheville
to
focus
on
the
report
of
increased
violence
in
Asheville,
which
happens
to
be
aggravated.
Assaults
in
Asheville,
90
percent
of
aggravated
assaults
occur
in
people's
houses,
meaning
the
home
is
the
most
unsafe
place
to
be
if
there
is
domestic
violence.
Most
of
these
aggravated
assaults
are
strangulations.
AO
We
also
need
to
provide
neighborhood
grants
to
implement
Asheville's
climate
Justice
initiative
in
January
2020.
Two
and
a
half
years
ago,
Asheville
city
council
declared
a
climate
emergency.
The
adopted
resolution
acknowledges
the
urgent
need
to
combat
climate
change
and
the
disproportionate
impact
of
the
climate
crisis
on
low-income
communities
and
communities
of
color.
AO
According
to
two
of
the
country's
leading
experts,
says
Asheville
watchdog,
Sam
send
Burris
a
psychologist
was
a
street
Outreach
worker
in
New
York
City,
when
he
determined
that
the
traditional
response
to
lifting
people
from
homelessness,
taking
them
to
detox
or
mental
health
clinics
or
the
hospital
does
little
but
return
them
to
the
same
streets
and
the
same
predicaments
Greg
Colburn,
a
housing
and
homelessness
researcher
in
Seattle
and
a
colleague
found
that
the
primary
driver
of
why
a
community
has
high
rates
of
homelessness
is
access
to
housing.
What
we
have
is
not
enough.
AP
AP
AP
Kinds
of
things
here
today,
I
think
I
think
there's
two
categories
that
we
got
here.
One
is
people
that
you
know
live.
B
AP
Law-Abiding
life,
you
know
and
stuff
like
this,
and
then
people
like
Santa,
Claus
or
whatever
I,
don't
know
you
know
his
name.
You
know,
you
know,
you
know,
you
know
just
bags
and
bags.
You
know
and
stuff
like
this
and
and
those
are
the
people
that
cause
problems,
we're
not
what
I'm
really
against
is
I.
AP
AP
Is
this
why
you
know
what
he's
standing
in
the
middle
of
not
going
35
miles
an
hour
and
the
guy
next
to
me
is
going
35
miles
down
this
guy's
18
inches,
you
know
and
then
over
here
on
Patton
Avenue
and
going
into
Regis
Parkway
nearby,
Sam's
Club
I
see
this
guy
all
the
time.
You
know
the
Hunchback
guys
I
end
up.
Guess
he's
a
nice
guy
wherever
but
he's
standing
on
this
little
medium
here
and
then
he
walked
the
light
turns
red.
He
walks
back.
AP
E
AP
It's
just
ridiculous
here.
He
is
again
just
walking,
along
with
his
umbrella,
keep
him
out
of
the
heat.
You
know
what
I
mean
here.
He
is
again,
you
know
same
guys
as
other
people
and
then
and
then
tell
me
you
know
they
go
to
the
bathroom
right
behind
that
rages.
Sign
Park,
I've
seen
them.
You
know,
go
to
the
bathroom
there
and
I
I
get
off
work
at
nine
o'clock
and
they
they
go
right
over
there.
Now
look
where
Denny's
used
to
be
and
there's
a
drug
deal
going
on
there
I
know
a
drug
deal.
AP
AP
Know-
and
here
this
guy
here,
this
guy's
walking
right
there
at
that
Clover
place
at
Patton,
Avenue
or
Leicester.
That's
48
he's
right
in
the
middle
of
the
thing,
I'm
doing
45
miles
not
from
35
miles
an
hour,
the
guy
next
to
me
going
35
miles
an
hour
here.
He
is
again
you
know
now
this
last
one
is
the
busting
that
goes
on
downtown
they're,
all
off.
There's
a
guy
that
plays
see
what
else
do
I
got
over
here,
I'm,
sorry,
I'm,
getting
nervous
does.
AQ
AP
Actually
want
to
be
the
tourist
town
that
we
want
to
be
bringing
in
nice,
money
and
stuff
like
this,
or
do
we
want
to
have
those?
We
have
here's
your
home.
If
you
want
to
hold
come
to
Asheville,
we'll
give
you
home,
I
call
the
housing
I
Call,
the
Housing
Authority.
It
takes
two
years
to
get
a
house
until
it
takes
and
everything's
paid
for
for
your
life.
E
AR
M
AR
Council
I
was
listening
and
to
this
point
about
the
exemption
for
family
members.
Unless
this
is
outdated
since
this
morning
it
says
this
definition
shall
not
include
transaction
between
family
members
and
the
very
next
three
words
are
or
mutual
acquaintances,
so
I
think
Ben
scales
was
a
little
off
on
his
reading.
With
this
you
know
this
is
not
a
we're
not
talking
about
victimless
crimes
at
all.
You
know
we're
talking
about
the
transactions
that
are
happening
that
are
unwanted.
AR
You
know
people
who
are
getting
hassled
and
being
told
you
know
no
over
and
over.
That's
what's
we're
talking
about
here.
This
idea
that
we
can't
have
a
panhandling
ordinance
because
it
doesn't
solve
all
of
our
social
ills
is
ridiculous
because
we're
not
trying
to
solve
all
of
our
social
ills
with
the
panhandling
ordinance
we're
trying
to
solve
the
panhandling
problem.
That's
that's
all
that's
happening.
I
have
no
fear
at
all
that
the
Asheville
Police
Department
are
going
to
be
rounding
up.
People
who
are
you
know
helping
people
giving
things
to
somebody
I.
AR
Do
it
all
the
time
I
give
people
money
and
I'm
not
rich
at
all.
Like
you
said,
the
people
who
are
helping
are
typically,
you
know,
a
Brotherhood
of
of
sorts
family
members,
but
I
don't
see
you
know.
All
of
this
hand
ringing
over.
You
know
like
the
police
are
going
to
be
rounding
up.
Givers
and
you
know,
transactions
that
are
consensual.
AR
We're
talking
about
people
who
are
getting
a
harass
downtown-
and
you
know,
and
certainly
the
Department
of
Corrections-
is
anything
but
I
get
that,
but
you
know
we're
not
trying
to
solve
the
panhandlers
problems,
we're
trying
to
solve
the
citizens.
Problems
who
are
you
know
they
also
have
a
right
to
not
be
hassled
all
the
time
you
know,
I
mean
for
all
the
people
who
want.
You
know
who
are
compassionate.
You
know
you
take
them
home
if
you
say
that
they're,
family
or.
AR
My
family
I
didn't
get
adopted
by
this
crazy
bunch
of
people.
You
know,
I
mean
I'm
all
for
I
mean
I'm
a
very
helpful
person,
but
this
sort
of,
like
you,
know,
emotional
blackmail
of
how
dare
we
not
you
know,
help
these
poor
people
and
all
this
kind
of
stuff.
Some
of
these
people
are
beyond
help.
You
know
and
then
jail
isn't
going
to
help
them
either
and
what
Chad
Nesbitt
said
it
was
right.
It's
like
we
need
a
mental
health
facility.
I
mean
24.
AR
21St
century
needs
a
21st
century,
Trump
Tank
and
a
21st
century
looney
bin,
because
that's
what
we
got
on
the
streets
here
and
for
anybody
who's
offended
by
that
I
really
don't
care.
You
know,
I
mean
that's,
not
the
harm
that's
being
committed
in
this
community.
It's
just
like
we've
got
to
do
some
things.
I
appreciate
that
you're
doing
things
and
I
think
that
you're
doing
nothing,
but
your
job
Brad
and
your
sharp,
as
your
haircut
and
I.
AR
J
My
name
is
Sagan
Thacker,
so
I
don't
really
have
anything
prepared.
But
my
point
here
is
twofold:
one:
to
try
to
to
try
to
I,
guess,
call
folks
to
action
and
two
to
make
y'all
a
little
bit
uncomfortable.
J
So
I'd
like
to
to
to
point
out
that
it
was
only
well
I
guess
about
a
year
and
a
half
ago
when
the
city
of
Asheville
was
proposing
an
equally
ridiculous
ordinance,
restricting
food
sharing
in
parks
in
an
attempt
to
crack
down
on
local
Mutual,
Aid
programs
and
and
people
hanging
out
and
and
building
community
in
in
in
their
city,
which
they,
which
y'all
clearly
didn't
want
from
your
actions.
J
So
around
then
I
I,
oh,
it
was,
and
ever
since
then,
local
Mutual
Aid
has
faced
unprecedented
State
repression,
but
we
haven't
stopped.
We
like
the
folks
are
still
out
doing
stuff,
helping
folks
out
in
the
streets
wherever
they
need
help
and
the
the
therefore
I'd
like
to
say
pretty
much
what
I
said
back.
Then
it's
not
gonna
work
we're
still
going
to
keep
doing
stuff,
no
matter
what
y'all
try,
what
y'all
try,
how
y'all
keep
try
to
beat
people
down?
J
How
you
try
to
to
keep
people
from
helping
each
other
and
keep
people
from
being
helped?
People
are
still
still
going
to
help
each
other
and
still
going
to
do.
Mutual,
Aid
and
Community
solidarity
and
Community
work.
It's
still
going
to
happen.
J
Nothing
you
do
is
going
to
to
stop
that,
no
matter
how
hard
you
try,
no
matter
how
many
laws
you
pass,
it's
still
going
to
happen
and
I
want
you
you
all
to
keep
that
in
mind,
as
you
pass
this
very
on
in
Humane
law
that
that
will
be
coming
up
in
September.
People
are
still
going
to
do
exactly
what
you
do
not
want
them
to
do,
because
you
can't
control
the
people.
AS
You
know
I
was
thinking
if
I
had
a
700
watch
on
my
hand
on
my
wrist
I
wouldn't
want
to
see
no
poor
people
around
me.
Neither
can
y'all
hear
me.
I
wouldn't
want
to
see
no
poor
people
in
my
area.
Neither,
but
that's
the
hero
there,
I
empathize
emphasized
with
the
homeless
I,
don't
think
it
would
be
right
to
lock
people
up
the
final,
because
you're
not
gonna,
get
nothing
out
of
them.
AS
I
watched
somebody
pull
up
at
the
Ingles
out
there
on
Maryland
this
woman,
her
husband.
He
got
out
with
the
dog
and
went
to
the
back
of
the
car
and
got
a
walker
out
him
and
the
dog
running
around
they
go
to
the
sidewalk
or
they
beside
me
at
the
bus.
Stop
he
slept
the
Walker
she
gets
out
of
the
car
with
a
sign
and
a
bottle
of
water
and
walks
over
there
to
that
Walker
and
stands
there
with
the
sign
open,
saying
they
need
money.
AS
They
are
homeless,
asked
about
that
I
can't
say
what
I
said,
but
I
told
her
y'all,
not
homeless,
y'all,
not
homeless,
I
watched,
y'all
I
watched
y'all
the
whole
time
y'all
pulled
up,
so
what
we
need
is
a
way
to
figure
out
who
is
homeless
and
don't
punch
them
and
punch
those
who
are
not
homeless.
They
have
places
to
stay
and
just
go
out
there
and
wanting
people's
money.
AS
AS
I
sit
up
here
and
I.
Look
at
y'all,
I
watch
all
of
y'all
every
time,
I
watch
when
I'm,
not
even
hearing
meetings,
you
know
and
I
think
y'all
doing
a
good
job
and
then
sometimes
I
think
y'all
doing
a
hell
of
a
poor
job
and
I
know
it's
hard
it's
hard
because
you
got
to
be
here.
You
gotta,
be
there!
You
gotta
do
this!
You
gotta
be
that
for
everybody
and
everything
you
can't
but
I'm
telling
you
this
this
audience,
you're
talking
about
locking
people
up,
don't
do
that!
AS
That's
not
me
saying
well,
lock
me
up,
because
what
I'm
too
lazy
to
work,
no
lock
me
up,
because
I
can't
cook
I
mean
because
I
can't
cook
I
ain't
got
nowhere
to
stay,
but
lock
me
up,
though
anyway,
you
know,
I'll
be
happy,
I
get
a
meal,
something
like
that.
The
people
need
help
and
what
people?
What
many
people
don't
realize
is
that
some
of
these
people
pay
so.
B
AT
Good
evening
each
and
every
one
of
you,
my
name,
is
Eleanor
Richards,
just
a
teeny
bit
of
background.
Over
50
years
ago,
I
lived
in
India
for
a
while
and
I've
lived
in
South,
America
and
I've
seen
poverty
way
worse
than
this,
but
in
the
ensuing
years
I've
been
watching
the
United
States
turn
into
what
I
saw
in
India
over
50
years
ago.
AT
One
of
the
things
I've
learned
in
all
these
exposures
is
poverty
breeds
desperation,
and
this
proposal
in
front
of
you
all
addresses
the
symptom
and
not
the
cause.
There
are
many
other
options
that
are
way
more
Humane
than
what
you're
proposing
here
and
I
want
to
make
an
announcement
that
right
here
to
all
of
you
right
now
that
every
poor
person
in
this
town
and
elsewhere
is
part
of
my
family.
AT
A
A
G
Yeah
I
need
to
explain
myself
at
the
end
of
the
day.
Life
isn't
binary,
we
have
to
say
yes
or
no,
because
those
are
the
choices
and
the
responsibility
that
I
hold.
G
As
an
elected
official
I
heard
from
one
of
my
students
about
this,
a
student
I
had
worked
with
since
kindergarten
who's
a
voter
now
and
they
said,
if
you
care
about
public
safety
for
the
Youth,
you
would
address
opportunity
Gap
in
our
schools
and
you
would
build
affordable
housing
and
you
would
engage
the
community
health
workers
that
I
know
and
I
felt
ashamed
because
I
hadn't
it
took
one
of
them
to
remind
me
that
we
made
commitments
to
address
the
opportunity
Gap
in
our
schools
and
their
concerned
about
paying
teachers,
and
so
while
I
I,
feel
and
I
hear
concerns
from
people
who
maybe
agree
or
disagree
with
me.
G
I
hear
the
bucket
of
concerns
around
a
deep
sadness
about
not
having
Access
to
Health
Care
and
housing
as
human
rights.
I
feel
that
we're
all
really
tired
of
seeing
the
suffering
that
our
systems
fail.
All
of
us
and
they
want.
Everyone
wants
us
to
do
something
right
and
so
I
do
want
to
do
something.
G
Because
our
last
meeting,
we
made
it
against
the
law
to
store
your
bike
in
the
same
place
for
seven
days,
so
I'm
really
worried
about
the
distractions
and
I'm
really
wanting
us
to
like
get
all
hands
on
deck
and
doing
the
agreed
upon
strategies
to
get
to
the
heart
of
the
issues
that
we're
facing
in
our
community.
That
said,
I
do
think
this
is
the
wrong
tool.
I
think
it
creates
more
problems
and
I'll
be
voting
on
this.
G
A
Okay,
we
we
have
another
item
on
our
agenda,
that
being
the
ordinance
amending
sections
of
the
city
code
regulating
noise
in
order
to
remove
possible
ambiguities
and
Mark
Matheny
is
here
to
talk
to
us
about
this.
Z
Mark
Matheny
director,
director
of
development
services
department,
I
promise
to
be
brief.
First
of
all,
I
hope
you're
all
doing
well.
Z
Z
A
B
A
A
All
right
boys,
boards
and
commissions
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
the
vice
mayor
who's,
going
to
help
us
with
our
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
appointments.
Okay,.
L
Yeah
this
morning,
the
board
of
commissions
committee
virtually
interviewed
six
con
candidates
applying
to
serve
on
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission
I
hope
that
all
the
council
members
had
the
opportunity
to
watch
sin
abuse
this
morning,
and
so
now
we
will
be
voting
on
the
new
appointments.
There
are
four
openings
in
Planning
and
Zoning
one
seat.
Kimberly
Levi
is
eligible
and
interested
in
reappointment
and
re.
The
remaining
three
are
not
eligible
for
reappointment,
so
those
seats
are
vacant.
L
B
R
G
Aye
aye,
okay,
before
we
move
forward
with
the
next
step,
I
just
wanted
to
bring
attention
to
current
Planning
and
Zoning.
Chair
did
email
us
today
at
2,
24
PM,
regarding
concerns
about
lived
and
professional
experience
that
are
needed
on
this
commission
is
a
five-person
committee.
We
also
had
a
conversation
at
the
boards
and
commissions
level
about
some
of
the
benefits
of
keeping
positions
open
to
make
sure
that
we
find
those
folks
with
lived
in
professional
experience.
G
So
we
did
talk
about
the
potential
of
leaving
a
opening,
yes,
and
in
that
case,
I
understand
that
both
the
chair
and
Mr
hook
are
willing
to
stay
on.
While
we
lead
those
openings
so.
R
M
R
So
just
throwing
that
out
there
and
the
re,
because,
when
I
think
of
the
two
that
we're
losing
in
the
interest
of
diversity,
I
would
prefer
to
leave
it
open,
but
again,
I'm
not
wedded
to
it.
So
I'm
just.
G
The
tier
does
mention
the
professional
lived
experience,
including
the
lived
experience
of
renters
and.
B
L
A
B
B
O
R
M
A
R
L
Well,
and
that
and
I
will
say
that
Trent
Hall,
who
was
the
candidate
that
was
running,
he
actually
had
informed
me
that
his
father
is
ill
in
Birmingham
and
he's
been
traveling
back
and
forth.
He
said
that
if
he
can
get
his
father
to
move
here,
then
he
would
be
able
to
serve
on
the
board
wow
so
that.
A
That
concludes
the
printed
agenda.
I've
got
a
number
of
people.
I've
got
more
people
signed
up
to
speak
under
public
comment
than
are
here
so
I'm
assuming
there'll
be
some
folks
that
are
not
are
not
here,
but
we
might
have
lost
Patty
again,
there's
three.
We
do
have
a
closed
session
after
this,
so
so
we're
really
doing
the
light
show
so
Council
we
have
18
people
signed
up
to
speak
under
this
under
the
general
public
comment
and
I'll
start
with
the
first
person
and
again
three
minutes.
M
AQ
Good
evening
my
name
is
William
Sutton
I'm,
a
Vietnam
veteran
and
a
lot
of
lifelong
resident
of
Asheville
North
Carolina.
We
have
a
problem
on
Annandale
Avenue
with
parking.
What
used
to
be
a
predominantly
black
community
is
now
predominantly
white.
Some
Lots.
AQ
For
duplex
houses,
some
locks
are
zone
for
apartments.
Oh
the
parking
problem
comes
in.
We
have
a
single
family
or
resident
and
we're
having
problems
with
parking.
Our
cars
we're
not
we're
not
allowed
to
park
our
cars
on
us
in
front
of
our
house
like
two
parking.
Two
no
parking
signs
was
placed
in
front
of
my
house
in
less
than
a
couple
of
hours
like
on
Tuesdays,
we
were
asked
not
to
park
our
car
on
front
of
in
front
of
my
house,
so
the
garbage
truck
can
come
by
and
pick
up
the
garbage.
AQ
Okay,
a
neighbor
was
parked
in
a
house.
This
was
August.
The
1st,
which
was
on
a
Tuesday,
was
parked
in
front
of
our
house.
All
right.
The
garbage
can
garbage
man
came
picked
up,
the
garbage
car
was
still
parked
there.
It
received
no
ticket
or
anything
man.
We
had
already
been
asked
not
to
park
there
previously
I.
This
was
Tuesday
Wednesday
August,
the
2nd
by
10
o'clock.
When
I
came
home,
it
was
two
no
parking
signs
in
front
of
my
house.
I
called
the
mayor.
I
called
a
systemat
I
left.
E
AQ
AQ
And-
and
we
stood
up
here
and
talk
about
the
the
least
Among
Us
or
the
less
franchise
who
who
is
less
franchise
than
the
black
people,
we
have
nowhere
to
gather
like
Wesley
Grant
said
when
they
did
it.
When
they
did
urban
renewal,
they
took
funeral
homes,
they
took
barber
shops,
they
took
grocery
stores,
so
we
have
now.
You
have
nothing
to
see
where
we
have
come
up
from
my
bootstrap
to
put
us
in
a
place
where
Economic
Development
we
have
no.
AQ
No,
we
have
no
persons
that
are
showing
us
black
black
black
men,
the
death
Economic
Development
here
in
Nashville,
because
there
is
none,
we
don't
we
don't
own.
Nothing
here
in
Nashville
and
I
want
I
always
wanted
to
know
what
could
be
done
about
the
no
parking
spaces
here
in
or
on
Annandale
Avenue,
because
I
mean
we're
being
squeezed
at
our
house.
We
can
only
Park
two
cars
in
front
of
our
house.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
Mr
Sutton,
I
I
do
see
your
email
and
I'm.
Sorry
I,
think
staff
grabbed
it
and
I'm
not
sure.
If
anyone
responded
to
you,
but
no
one
responded.
B
A
A
A
That's
Diana,
that's
not!
They
read
now
yeah,
oh
I'm,
sorry!
Miss
Gordon
did
you
want
to
speak
for
10
minutes?
Yes,.
AU
A
AU
I'm
one
of
the
three
and
then
I
have
Rachel
and.
A
AU
A
I
did
call
Miss
Miss
Gordon
I.
Let's
just
see
what
we
can
do
here.
Okay,
I
will
tell
you
ultimately
the
concern
that
you're,
probably
bringing
tonight
is
going
to
need
some
staff
attention
and
if,
if
there's
a
way
for
you
to
provide
the
information
so
that
staff
can
review
it,
that.
AU
We
don't
have
all
our
parking
folks,
I
have
to
say
it.
I've
waited
all
night
long
to
say
this
anyhow
I.
Thank
you
Council
women,
for
allowing
me
the
opportunity.
My
name
is
Diana.
Gordon
I've
collected
a
petition
of
over
500
signatures,
business
and
Shoppers
were
eager
to
sign.
It
has
been
a
long
and
exhausting
Enterprise,
but
with
the
help
of
a
couple
of
businesses,
I
am
able
to
present
it
to
you.
AU
It
has
been
my
experience
at
the
parking
garage
at
68,
Rankin
Avenue,
the
Civic
Center
Garage
is
not
accessible
to
the
handicap.
I
have
not
included
other
city-owned
garages,
but
I'm
pretty
sure
that
they
have
problems
as
well.
You
see
I
am
handicapped
one.
There
is
no
signage
for
handicapped
to
inform
them
how
to
come
and
go
only
for
quote
pedestrians.
Unquote.
Two,
there
are
only
three
entrances
that
are
handicap
accessible
and
one
is
not
open
all
the
time
that
is
the
library
three
spaces
for
the
handicapped
are
not
up
to
the
Ada
code.
AU
They
are
too
small.
A
person
cannot
open
up
their
car
doors
without
hitting
the
door
next
to
them.
There
are
no
Center
aisles
between
cars
as
mandated
4.
If
one
wants
to
remove
a
wheelchair,
etc
for
lack
of
room,
it
is
impossible,
so
one
has
to
back
up
into
the
traffic
to
do
so
and
that's
dangerous.
Five.
The
fourth
floor
ramp
used
to
enter
the
garage
is
unfit
to
use
as
handicapped
as
well
as
others.
A
new
one
is
sorry,
sorely
needed.
AU
Six,
the
Ada
standards,
the
handicap
must
have
parking
at
the
entrances
and
exits
at
the
garage.
No
spaces
are
allotted
to
them.
Seven,
there
needs
to
be
a
second
elevator
when
the
existing
one
is
out
of
commission,
which
has
happened
on
a
regular
basis,
there
will
be
then
a
way
for
handicapped
to
exit
the
floors.
Eight
signage
should
be
in
the
elevator
on
the
walls
outside
the
elevators
on
each
floor
on
the
entrances
to
the
buildings
and
forming
the
public.
What
to
do
when
problems
arise?
Phone
numbers
are
needed
on
all
signs.
Nine.
AU
The
first
floor
needs
to
be
accessible.
It
is
not
curbing,
does
not
allow
the
handicap
to
enter
or
ask
it
at
all
period.
11
surveillance
must
be
installed
for
the
safety
in
the
elevators,
facing
the
elevators
in
the
store
Wells
and
throughout
the
garage
for
Public
Safety.
There
is
none
on
the
original
complaint.
There
are
three
pages
of
violations
and
suggestions.
This
is
only
a
partial
list.
I
have
contacted
the
U.S
Department
of
Justice
civil
rights
division,
disability
rights,
section
an
investigation
will
be
ongoing.
If
anybody
wants
to
contact
me,
my
name
is
Diana.
AU
AU
AU
It's
thank
you.
A
L
A
Evening,
oh
yes,
so
you'll
have
three
minutes
to
speak.
I.
G
AV
My
name
is
James
Barham
I'm,
a
retired,
physician
and
I
belong
to
a
local
Group
Health
Care
for
all
Western
North
Carolina,
and
we
believe
that
all
residents
of
Asheville,
as
well
as
all
residents
of
the
United
States,
deserve
adequate
Health
Care.
Without
premiums
co-pays
or
deductibles
everybody
in
nobody
out.
AV
We
have
submitted
a
proposal
to
this
city
council
that,
as
our
elected
representatives,
you
join
with
us
in
supporting
a
resolution
for
Single
Payer,
improved
Medicare
for
all
by
voting
as
a
group,
we
hope
that
you
will
allow
Asheville
to
stand
with
other
cities
in
North
Carolina,
including
Greensboro,
Durham
and
Carrboro,
as
well
as
many
cities
across
the
country
shining.
A
light
on
this
desperate
need
of
our
residents.
AV
AV
AV
AV
AW
Of
course,
of
course,
okay
I'd
like
to
speak
on
safety
on
the
city,
transportation,
so
I
know
someone's
ears
are
burning
tonight,
because
I
have
to
bring
them
up
one
more
time.
That's
Santa
Claus
he
gets
on
the
buses
argues
with
everyone
starts
arguments
talks
to
people
who
have
no,
they
don't
talk
to
him.
Okay,
he
searched
arguments
with
drivers.
AW
He
got
on
the
bus
the
other
day,
I,
don't
know
what
he
said
before
he
got
on
the
bus,
but
one
of
her
best
drivers
he's
from
the
Ukraine
and
whatever
he
told
him
before.
I
want
to
get
video
of
it
because
after
he
got
on
the
bus,
he
says
no
I'm
kidding
you're
one
of
the
best
ones,
even
though
you
weren't
born
in
this
country.
AW
So
this
person
just
Causes
Chaos
completely
day
and
day
out
and
was
trying
well,
he
did
harass
me.
You
know
he
would
have
attacked
me,
but
that
wouldn't
have
been
a
good
idea
on
his
part,
but
we
need
to
stop
people
like
that
from
taking
over
the
bus
and
harassing
and
threatening
and
all
that
stuff
I
know
we
do
have
rules
coming
up.
AW
But
beyond
that,
for
people
that
think
they
are
above
what
they're
supposed
to
be
doing,
that
needs
to
be
taken
care
of
and
as
far
as
him
being
up
there
on
the
street
in
front
of
the
art
gallery
and
asking
for
money
he's
not
homeless,
he
will
spit
at
you.
He
will
curse
you,
and
this
is
for
locals,
and
tourists.
AW
But
my
main
thing
is
for
safety
on
the
buses,
because
there's
really
no
recourse
Beyond
rules,
especially
for
females,
and
we
shouldn't
have
to
ride
the
bus
and
worry
about
someone
trying
to
talk
to
us,
a
guy
or
whatever
that
won't
stop
or
something
like
that,
and
then
the
people
that
are
on
there
that
are
violent.
AW
They
just
act
like
they
run
the
bus
and
everything,
but
I
guess
I'm.
Looking
more
for
us
to
be
able
to
put
harassment
charges
on
someone
while
we're
while
we've
been
riding
the
bus
because,
like
I
said
otherwise,
we
don't
have
a
recourse,
and
why
should
we
suffer
because
of
someone
else
and
not
have
them
reprimanded
and
all
that?
So
that's
all
I
have
to
say.
Thank
you
all
very,
very
much.
A
Maggie,
that's
very
thorough,
Patty
Glazer
and
there's
a
few
people
that
wrote
down
here
that
they're
seeding
their
time
to
Paddy
Glazer
Sandy
conkle.
A
G
H
I'll
then
email
this
to
you,
because
it
will
be
longer
than
that.
Just
speaking
about
the
college
patent
bike
Lanes,
we,
a
number
of
us,
were
under
the
impression
that
we
were
able
to
speak
during
the
main
part
of
the
meeting.
Today,
and
apparently,
that's
not
the
case
so
since
you're
going
to
have
a
work
session
on
it.
H
It's
also
disappointing
that
this
issue,
that
is
so
impactful
and
controversial,
has
not
become
a
council
agenda
item.
As
you're
aware,
downtown
Nashville
is
a
big
draw
to
both
locals
and
tourists,
contributing
significantly
to
the
local
economy.
The
longest
average
businesses
have
weathered
downturns
in
the
economy
as
well
as
the
pandemic,
as
Property
Owners
downtown.
We
pay
extremely
high
property
taxes.
Many
of
us
were
key
players
in
the
successful
save
downtown
national
movement
of
the
1980s.
H
Although
we
are
not
against
bikes
or
bike
Lanes,
you
should
be
concerned
that
none-
let
me
repeat,
none
of
the
businesses
along
the
Route
are
in
favor
of
the
proposed
design
or
location
of
the
bike
Lanes,
as
evidenced
by
a
signed
petition,
keeping
the
curb
to
curb
width
of
the
streets
as
well
as
traffic
signals,
as
is
while
converting
one
lane
to
a
dedicated
bike.
Lane
leaves
both
college
and
patent
with
only
one
lane
of
moving
traffic,
clearly
not
viable
for
this
City's
main
East-West
arteries
in
the
city's
business
district.
H
Complete
streets
policy
is
a
great
goal.
However,
it
does
not
fit
everywhere.
One
needs
to
look
at
the
repercussions
of
forcing
such
a
solution
where
it
physically
doesn't
fit.
If
there
were
one
additional
Lane
available
on
each
of
collagen
patent,
great
go
for
it.
Emergency
vehicles,
both
college
and
patent,
are
used
extensively
by
emergency
vehicles
as
both
a
through
route.
As
well
as
serving
Pritchard
Park
and
businesses,
in
spite
of
City
staff
statements,
we
have
personally
heard
concerns
about
increased
response
time
from
fire,
police
and
EMS
Personnel.
H
If
the
proposed
plan
is
implemented,
the
city
says
they
can
share
the
bike
Lanes
with
cyclist.
Clearly,
a
disaster
waiting
to
happen.
Equity
goals
are
also
commandable
that
not
everyone
can
afford
a
car,
and
this
will
provide
downtown
workers
an
opportunity
to
ride
bikes
to
work.
However,
that's
also
not
realistic.
Many
downtown
workers
commute
from
long
distances,
Swannanoa
Sweden,
Creek,
Candler
Arden
and
at
all
hours
of
the
day
and
night,
the
bicycle
alternative
also
does
not
take
into
account
bad
weather
or
the
elderly.
H
A
H
B
AS
Now
people
of
color,
those
which
are
considered
black
through
smoking
mirrors
and
smooth
talk
to
cities,
agent
Flex,
the
residents
of
the
South
Side
into
agreeing
to
additions
to
a
fairly
new
building
and
replacing
and
relocating
Walton's
pool
to
the
Wesley
Grant
center,
with
the
swimming
pool
equivalent
to
it.
Yet
what
will
yet?
What
was
received
was
additions
to
the
building.
That's
the
kitchen.
They
asked
for,
along
with
the
water
pool,
to
replace
our
swimming
pool,
the
grant
water
pool
is
3275
square
feet.
AS
No
diving
board,
15
square
feet
per
person,
Walton
pool
was
4,
000
square
feet
died
and
born
with
15
square
feet
per
person
under
six
under
five
feet
of
water
and
24
square
feet
per
person
in
six
feet
and
up
in
water,
I
was
told
by
Parks
and
Rec.
That
swimming
would
be
taught
at
this
place.
Yet
that
will
only
benefit
and
be
talked
to
those
that
are
five
feet
or
shorter,
because
treading
water
is
the
first
thing.
Everyone
should
learn
before
swimming
training.
Water
requires
water
deeper
than
your
height.
AS
Many
people
in
the
southwest
are
upset
with
me
for
not
being
happy
and
festifying
giving
you
all
a
pass
for
voting
on
and
passing
this
vaseliness
assault.
Yet
again
on
the
black
community
ecstatic
about
the
written,
cutting
and
celebration.
What
was
being
celebrated?
The
fact
that
6.7
million
was
wasted
to
upgrade
an
existing
building
and
omit
the
kitchen
or
the
fact
that
a
water
pool
was
used
to
replace
a
swimming
pool.
AS
I
heard
about
the
drop
in
the
pool
from
the
shadow
to
the
deep
end
at
Walter.
What
was
the
problem
with
that
course?
Liability
insurance
may
have
went
up
with
the
building
a
new
pool.
Yet,
wouldn't
they
have
been
Noah
at
the
site
where
the
pool
was
already
at
for
there
had
never
been
a
drowning
or
a
fatality
whatsoever.
AS
Quite
sure
the
money
from
the
insurance
could
have
paid
for
the
fix,
walking
pool.
Then
Parks
and
Rec
allocate
500
000
for
redevelopment
for
Walton
Street
Park,
with
the
possibility
of
filling
the
pool.
Maybe
didn't
give
up
the
1.3
million
to
fix
and
say
the
pool.
If
there's
no
issue
in
giving
the
500
000
to
change
I,
guess
it's
a
bad
patent.
Achievement
to
have
people
think
they
are
being
helped
while
the
whole
time
they
are
being
cornhole.
Thank
you.
A
Ugly
Tom
sheave.
AX
Hi
good
evening,
Council
and
members
of
council
mayor,
my
name
is
Tom
sheve
and
I
am
the
program
coordinator
at
12,
baskets
in
West
Asheville,
and
where
we
take
reclaim
fruit
from
Whole,
Foods
and
Earth
Fare
and
area
restaurants,
and
we
have
a
free
cafe
twice
a
week
and
a
free
grocery
store
a
day
twice
a
week
and
we
serve
the
very
community
that
we've
been
speaking
about
largely
tonight.
AX
AX
The
city
of
single-use
bus
tickets
to
the
non-profits
so
that
the
folks
working
in
the
non-profits
and
the
shelters
and
the
food
banks
can
distribute
these
bus
tickets
to
the
populations
that
we
serve
upon
request
currently
they're
50
off
to
these
non-profits
a
when
I
was
at
the
winter
shelter.
AX
Two
years
ago,
I
learned
it
was
volunteers,
retired
volunteers
who
were
going
down
to
get
a
half
off
bus
tickets
and
the
same
at
the
shelter,
the
women's
shelter
in
the
basement
of
Jubilee,
also
retired
volunteers
going
to
get
50
bus
tickets,
whether
we
do
it
through
the
organization
or
through
volunteers.
The
best
we
can
do
is
hop
off.
My
question
is
why
not
free
when
we're
trying
to
reduce
panhandling?
We.
AX
People
in
the
shelters,
I,
think
and
171
unsheltered
at
this
last
point
in
count,
many
of
them
are
waking
up
with
zero
dollars.
So
if
you're
going
to
go
to
the
resources,
as
was
suggested
by
one
of
the
speakers
earlier,
you
need
a
dollar
to
get
on
the
bus
or
a
bus
ticket,
and
so,
if
my
retired
volunteer
didn't
buy
me
any
bus
tickets
for
12
baskets,
then
the
answer
is
no
I.
Don't
have
any
and
I'm
right
there
on
Haywood
Road
we're
talking
about
the
area
for
the
panhandlers.
AX
So
if
they
wake
up
in
a
shelter
downtown
with
zero
dollars
in
order
to
go,
get
services
or
go
to
the
delphil
clinic
or
anywhere,
they
need
a
bus
and
93
cents
won't
get
you
on
the
bus
and
it
won't
get
you
93
of
the
way
there
either
the
I.
AX
Simple
solution:
I,
don't
think
it
would
cost
more
to
have
12
people
on
a
bus
or
10,
and
the
fact
is
the
transformation
Village
pays
about
300
bucks
a
month,
nearly
4
000
a
year
Sunrise
same
all,
the
other
groups,
the
same
and
they're
already
doing
a
bunch
of
heavy
lifting
and
I.
Like
your
support
of
this,
thank
you.
AR
Good
evening,
once
again
historic
city
council,
so
good
to
see
all
of
you
and
I'd
just
like
to
extend
a
little
open
statement
of
support
for
councilwoman
Ullman
I'm
really
upset
over
what
happened
to
you.
You
had
somebody
come
onto
your
property
and
damage
your
car
in
a
pretty
significant
way
and
I
certainly
hope
that
that
person
is
caught
and
charged
with
all
of
the
crimes
that
would
have
been
involved.
AR
With
that
I
would
imagine
the
criminal
trespass
coming
onto
your
property
would
be
included,
maybe
communicating
a
threat
now
back
in
January
of
2019,
which
was
quite
a
long
time
ago.
Somebody
came
onto
my
property
and
set
my
car
on
fire
in
my
driveway.
They
set
my
car
on
the
fire
on
my
driveway
and
then
on
March
15
2019.
AR
A
long
time
ago
a
person
was
arrested
for
for
this
crime.
They
weren't
charged
with
criminal
trespass
onto
my
property
or
communicating
a
threat
or
damage
to
my
car.
All
of
these
things
which
could
have
been
charged
was
charged
with
a
felony
burning
of
personal
property
and
that
person
was
former
Lieutenant
of
the
Asheville
Fire
Department
John
eldreth.
Now
he
was
arrested
four
years
five
months
and
one
week
ago,
and
this
trial
is
still
not
on
the
court
calendar.
This
case
has
been
pending
for
longer
than
the
term
of
our
district
attorney
Todd
Williams.
AR
Does
anybody
know
if
he's
still
alive?
Could
somebody
please
check
on
Todd
Williams
to
find
out
why
my
case
has
not
been
heard
in
four
years?
Five
months
in
one
week
and
Counting
still
not
on
the
calendar?
I
know.
This
is
not
something
that
any
of
you
can't
address,
but
just
in
this
public
form
of
John
Q
public,
who
is
pissed
off
that
this
is
not
getting
resolved.
AR
AR
If
anybody's
been
waiting
to
have
their
case
dealt
with
longer
than
me,
please
by
all
means,
go
right
ahead,
but
anybody
else
can
just
wait.
Just
wait!
It's
my
turn
here.
I,
don't
know
what
kind
of
Justice
this
looks
like
I
mean
this
is
horrible.
What
an
embarrassment
for
all
these
people
in
the
next
door
over
there,
the
honorables
who
demand
respect
from
everybody
you're
not
commanding
a
whole
lot
of
respect
and
showing
a
whole
lot
of
confidence
over
there.
AR
AM
Thank
you
city
council.
My
name
is
Patrick
Conan
and
I'm
from
East
West
Asheville
prior
to
the
public
comment
period
on
the
solicitation
ordinance.
I
know
there
was
some
discussion
about
you
know.
There's
25
people
signed
up
to
speak.
Do
we
adjust
the
time
and
I
just
wanted
to
State?
You
know
for
the
public
record
and
and
maybe
to
help
Council
understand,
cutting
the
time
during
the
meeting
can
be
really
problematic
for
people
who,
you
know,
write
their
comments
ahead
of
time.
They
practice
the
comment
they
time
it.
AM
You
know
at
the
same
time
I
understand
that
sometimes
these
public
comment
periods
can
go
on
really
long,
so
I
would
just
suggest
you
know
if
there
ever
is
a
situation
where
the
city
is
considering
reducing
that
public
comment
period.
That
should
really
go
up
with
the
council
agenda
so
that
people
can
write
their
comments
to
fit
a
two-minute
slot.
AM
It
just
really
bothers
me.
You
know:
I
have
a
written
comment
that
I
timed
for
three
minutes
and
I.
Don't
know
how
I
cut
that
into
two
minutes
or
one
minute
you
know
personally
I
think
we've
all
been
here
for
a
lot
of
hours
tonight,
members
of
the
public
sit
in
the
audience
for
hours
and
I
think
it
is
kind
of
council's
responsibility
to
just
give
them
three
minutes
to
talk.
AM
But
you
know,
if
you
have
a
lot
of
feedback
on
a
particular
item,
I
would
just
suggest
that
Council
consider
ways
to
do
that
up
front
in
a
way,
that's
more
fair
to
the
public
and
allows
us
to
really.
You
know,
stay
constructive,
informed
comments
that
can
fit
the
time
we're
given.
So
thank
you.
A
That
was
the
last
person
to
speak.
We
have
a
close
session
motion.
G
Before
we
do,
that
can
I
say
a
word
with
the
passing
of
Nikita
smart.
Our
community
has
lost
a
brilliant
Doula
and
leader
in
addressing
racial
disparities
in
Health,
Care
Systems
Nikita
stood
in
the
gap
for
black
women
families
and
babies.
As
co-founder
of
sisters
caring
for
Sistas
and
her
Legacy
will
be
remembered
through
the
changes
she
demanded
in
Black,
maternal
Health
outcomes
and
through
the
lives
of
the
babies.
She
helped
bring
into
the
world.
N
Thank
you.
I
have
a
closed
session
motion
first
to
prevent
disclosure
of
information
that
is
privileged
and
confidential
pursuant
to
the
laws
of
North
Carolina
or
not
considered
a
public
record
within
the
meeting
of
chapter
132
of
the
general
statutes,
the
statutory
authorization
is
contained
in
North
Carolina
General
statute
143-318.11a1.
The
law
that
makes
the
information
privileged
and
confidential
is
North.
Carolina,
General
statute,
143-318.10e,
comma.
N
132-1.7
A
and
B.
The
second
reason
for
this
closed
motion
is
or
I
move
that
the
city
Asheville
city
council
go
into
the
closed
session
to
consider
the
qualifications,
competence,
performance,
character,
Fitness,
conditions
of
appointment
or
conditions
of
initial
appointment
of
an
individual
public
officer
or
employee
or
prospective
Public
Employee.