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From YouTube: City Council Meeting – April 25, 2023
Description
Regular meeting of the Asheville City Council.
Access the agenda and other meeting materials on the City of Asheville website: https://www.ashevillenc.gov/government/city-council-meeting-materials/
A
A
If
you
could,
please
just
take
a
moment
and
silence
your
cell
phones
also
not
on
our
agenda
tonight,
I
did
want
to
take
just
a
moment
to
recognize.
We
had
three
firefighters
injured
this
week
in
a
call
to
to
an
active
fire.
It
sounded
like
a
really
scary
situation
from
the
description
I
read,
and
we
just
wanted
to
send
out
our
thoughts
for
those
folks
who
went
through
that
experience
and
are
recovering
from
it.
Now.
A
Everyone
is
recovering
from
that,
but
we
just
wanted
to
take
a
moment,
recognize
our
firefighters
and
the
sacrifices
they
make
for
us
and
some
of
the
serious
and
dangerous
situations
I
sometimes
encounter
moment
I'm.
Turning
to
our
printed
agenda,
we
have
our
first
item
on.
Here
is
a
proclamation
proclaiming
April
29,
2023,
Arbor,
Day
and
I
know
Don
Chavez
is
here
and
Don.
If
you
have
anyone
else
with
you,
please
invite
them
up
to
the.
C
Thank
you,
madam
mayor.
Thanks
to
the
city
council
for
all
your
work
and
Arbor
Day
has
four
requirements
in
order
to
be
well
not
Arbor
Day,
the
Arbor
Day
Foundation
has
four
requirements
in
order
for
a
tree
City
to
be
recognized
as
a
tree.
City
USA
and
those
are
having
a
board
a
tree
board
which
the
urban
forestry
commission
is
and
ordinance.
We
have
a
tree
canopy
protection
ordinance.
C
C
C
We're
glad
that
the
city
supports
tree
protection,
as
you
have,
with
the
passage
of
the
tree
canopy
protection
ordinance
in
2020
funding
for
an
urban
Forester
Keith.
He
can
hear
me
today
and
for
approving
funding
for
or
putting
in
the
budget
the
urban
Forest
master
plan,
and
it
would
be
great
if
the
city
continued
this
commitment
to
protecting
our
Urban
Forest
Resources
by
funding.
C
Also,
the
urban
Forest
master
plan
in
the
fy24
budget
and
adopting
the
goal
that
Greenworks
put
forth
four
years
ago
of
planting
2500
trees
a
year
in
the
city
of
Asheville.
In
order
to
counteract
the
canopy
loss
that
we
have
experienced,
we've
lost
tens
of
thousands
of
trees
over
the
years
and
in
order
to
get
our
canopy
back
up
to
where
it
needs
to
be
to
continue
to
provide
the
services
that
it
does
will
need
to
plant
2500
trees
a
year.
C
Greenworks
is
committed
to
supporting
the
city,
and
these
efforts,
as
we
always
have
and
part
of
that
effort,
is
having
a
tree
nursery
city
property
in
East
Asheville,
where
we're
growing
hundreds
of
trees
to
be
planted
in
the
city
and
also
another
Nursery
in
Candler.
That
is
part
of
Buncombe
County,
where
we're
growing
4
000
trees
a
year,
giving
them
away
to
the
community
planting
them
in
public
spaces.
So
this
year
our
our
Arbor
Day
event
is
going
to
be
on
Saturday
April
29th
from
10
to
12
at
the
Hardesty
Lane
Nursery.
C
D
Keith
Aiken
Urban,
Forester
I,
am
absolutely
thrilled
to
be
here
today
without
the
hard
work
of
Greenworks
and
Dawn
and
on
Council
I
certainly
wouldn't
be
here
sitting
here.
Talking
to
you
today,
so
I'm
very
happy,
very
thrilled
Arbor
Day
is
a
great
day
to
really
reflect
on
what
we've
done
in
the
in
the
the
past.
So
I
hope
as
we
go
forward
right
now,
I'm
kind
of
all
tied
up
in
ordinance
and
all
that
good
stuff.
D
So
when
I
do
get
to
get
to
programming
and
planning
and
doing
things
in
the
community,
I
hope
you
have
a
big
celebration
this
time
next
year,
or
you
know,
on
the
29th
of
next
year
to
celebrate
the
accomplishments
that
we've
done
over
that
past.
Hopefully
that
that'll
at
least
be
you
know,
I
want
to
say
in
1872
they
planted
one
million
trees
in
Nebraska
in
one
day
now,
I,
don't
know
where
they
got
their
trees
in
1872.
D
Nowadays
you
can
buy
a
hundred
for
you
know:
25
bucks,
so
personally,
I've
planted
over
my
time
up
until
this
point
about
110
000
trees,
wow,
mainly
in
seedlings,
so
I've
literally
planted
Forest.
So
I
hope
that
we
can
maybe
come
somewhere
close
to
that
by
next
year,
but
if
we
can't
we'll
celebrate
whatever
we
have
going
on,
but
I
do.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
hiring
me.
Thank
you
for
getting
me
in
this
position.
I'm
absolutely
thrilled
to
be
here.
Thank
you.
Welcome.
Welcome.
A
A
Okay,
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second-
and
we
do
have
some
folks
signed
up
to
speak
under
the
consent
agenda
and
all
speakers
you'll
have
three
minutes
to
speak
each.
Please
just
watch
the
lights
on
the
lectern
green
means,
go
orange
means
are
getting
close
to
the
end
and
red
and
that
buzzer
means
stop.
So
I'll
just
looks
like
we
have
a
few
speakers
here
under
the
consent
agenda
and
I'll
just
call
them
in
order.
The
first
one
is
Paul
Howe.
E
Good
evening
mayor
vice
mayor
council,
members
to
the
attorney
city
manager
and,
of
course
the
glue
is
always
Maggie
I'm
here
to
say
thank
you
all
for
gifting,
my
brother
qinen
Lake,
with
a
building
to
house
my
daddy
Towing
it
it's
much
needed
and
long
overdue,
but
I
noticed
with
the
building.
There's
no
help
with
the
restoration
of
the
building,
so
I
thought.
Well,
why
not
apply
for
the
Strategic
partnership,
Grant
and
I?
E
How
many
were
made
aware
of
the
deadline
to
have
submitted
an
education
was
210-23
for
funding
that
begins
71
22
71-23,
not
many
people
I
get
to
return
to
see
City
Pages.
So
how
do
you
reach
them?
Having
this
info
on
the
city
page
only
is
like
having
a
barbecue
and
not
telling
anyone.
Yet
you
cook
a
lot
of
food
and
get
upset,
because
no
one
showed
up
you
assumed
they
would
come
through
because
they
smelled
the
food
saying.
There's
no
non-profit
oils
in
our
community
deserving
of
this
funding
is
implausible.
E
Young
struggle
with
knowledge,
green
generations
to
Generations,
with
Jerome
Michael
Jerome
Hall.
Excuse
me:
sisters
caring
for
sisters
with
Queen,
Cindy
McMillan
to
name
a
few
established,
and
then
you
have
God,
which
is
grandparents
on
duty
with
Michelle
Clement,
and
you
have
saved
stop
society
against
dinosaur
where
Queen
Teresa
was
a
Moses,
can
use
assistance
and
get
established.
So
please
forgive
me
for
not
being
over
there
steady
about
y'all
making
news
by
assistant.
E
A
H
F
I
want
to
First,
say
I
think
it
is
amazing
that
we
were
that
we
are
all
witnessing
that
Keenan
Lakes
program
was
gifted
this
building
and
again,
though,
the
building
needs
a
lot
of
help
and
not
a
lot
of
restoration.
This
building
is
still
a
blessing.
F
We
also
want
to
uplift
all
the
organizations
who
work
with
our
youth
tirelessly
after
work
who
volunteer
hour
after
hour
and
despite
being
underfunded,
they
still
go.
They
still
show
up
and
we
applaud
the
decision.
The
city's
decision
to
help
out
other
organizations
with
technology
and
technical
assistance
to
help
to
help
establish
new
leadership
and
organization
development.
F
However,
just
as
the
person
before
me,
I
am
very
disappointed
that
the
money
from
this
grant
was
not
given
to
all
those
other
organizations
we
have
here
with
our
children
experience
such
dire
issues
in
our
community.
My
daddy
taught
me
that
it
can't
do
it
alone.
There
are
organizations
like
ytl
YWCA.
F
F
We
affect
the
trajectory
of
their
future
and
it
is
what
an
open
heart
an
open
mind
that
I.
That
I
beg
beg
you
all
to.
Please
review
that
and
look
look
into
given
those
funds
to
those
organizations
who
are
out
here
doing
the
work,
because
without
them
we
would
not
be
as
far
as
we
are,
and
we
have
so
much
further
to
go.
Thank
you.
G
Good
evening
mayor
vice
mayor
council,
women
and
City
staff,
my
name
is
Joanna
Knowles
and
I'm
here,
and
my
capacity
as
board
member
and
co-chair
of
the
advocacy
committee
at
the
YWCA
of
Asheville
I'd
like
to
thank
each
of
you
for
your
contributions
to
the
significant
strides
Asheville
has
made
toward
becoming
the
Equitable
Community.
The
YWCA
believes
we
can
be
I'm.
Also
grateful
for
your
efforts
to
make
engaging
with
you
all
and
being
part
of
the
process
of
contributing
to
this
city
more
accessible.
G
The
advocacy
committee
at
the
YWCA
would
like
to
become
even
more
engaged
and
it
is
challenging
to
do
so
with
a
tight
turnaround
time
between
Friday
mornings.
When
the
city
council
agenda
is
published
and
the
council
meeting
on
Tuesdays,
we
request
that
you
consider
following
the
County's,
lead
and
publish
the
agenda
on
Wednesday
before
the
meeting
instead
of
Friday
morning.
G
J
G
G
We
are
thrilled
to
see
the
city's
commitment
to
our
youth
and
to
working
towards
eliminating
the
opportunity
Gap
by
the
investment
in
the
organizations
you
selected
we're
also
acutely
aware
of
the
vast
need
of
our
City's
children
and
the
struggles,
so
many
nonprofits
are
in
to
fund
their
work.
We
believe
that
you
all
can
find
funds
to
replenish
this
pot
of
money
for
next
year
and
we
request
that
you
disperse
the
remaining
strategic
partnership
funds
to
qualified
organizations
this
year,
as
our
youth
cannot
wait.
Thank
you.
K
K
So
I
think
today
is
a
cause
for
our
celebration,
and
I
am
excited
to
be
here.
So,
first
of
all,
let
me
thank
each
and
every
one
of
you
and
the
City
of
Asheville
for
not
only
your
contribution
but
for
showing
the
community
the
direction
that
the
city
is
headed
in
as
a
native
of
this
community
just
turned
46
a
few
months
ago
been
working
at
the
with
the
county
for
almost
20
years,
paying
the
dues
and
due
diligence
in
this
community.
K
It
is
a
blessing
to
see
the
city
of
Asheville
not
only
leading
the
way,
but
really
being
able
to
be
an
example
to
show
the
community,
particularly
our
underserved
underprivileged,
privileged
communities.
What
it
looks
like
to
take
a
step
forward
and
do
real
support,
and
so
I
want
to.
Thank
you
personally.
Like
the
folks
before
me
said,
we
know
we
have
a
long
fight,
but
I
think
with
the
with
the
direction
that
the
city's
going
and
even
the
county.
K
You
know
with
the
with
all
the
grants
coming
out
as
far
as
stopping
the
violence
and
being
able
to
do
things
like
that,
it's
really
showing
our
community,
where
our
government
is
headed,
our
local
government.
We
know
all
too
well
the
woes
of
our
community
what's
happening
in
our
communities
and
the
amount
of
violence
was
happening
in
our
community.
K
So
I
want
to
take
a
stand
here
and
say
this
building
will
be
a
beacon
for
our
community
it'll,
be
a
community
center
for
where
everybody
can
come
and
we
can
not
only
do
the
work
in
unison,
but
we
can
do
the
work
for
the
better
of
our
community.
So
I
want
to
thank
you
for
that.
I
also
want
to
say
a
special
thanks
to
my
team,
Jacqueline
Hall
Stephen
Stephen
Smith,
Ashley
Cooper,
the
ones
who
really
put
forth
the
effort
to
write
the
proposal
to
the
city.
K
L
Thank
you,
mayor
city,
council,
Timothy,
Sadler
and
I.
L
Just
wanted
to
you
know:
Echo
Keenan's
sentiments
there
I
had
as
a
volunteer
been
looking
to
do
whatever
I
could
see
that
a
building
you
know
did
go
to
this
effort
and
I
guess
it's
been
a
long
time
coming
and
it's
really
exciting
in
one
regard,
but
then,
in
the
other
regard
you
know
with
the
renovations
you
know,
I
I
just
hope
that
that
is
taken
seriously
and
I
I,
wonder
you
know
if
there's
any
way
to
work
on
the
building
with
kind
of
an
apprentice
in
construction.
L
You
know
with
the
city
I,
don't
know
if
that
could
be
a
creative
way
of
looking
at
at
things,
but
yeah,
just
more
than
anything.
I'm
super
grateful
that
this
finally
happened
because
yeah
it's
been
a
long
time
in
conversation,
and
it's
just
the
highlight
of
my
day
personally
to
know
that
this
has
finally
happened.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you,
city
council.
Thank
you.
A
That's
all
the
folks
we
have
signed
up
to
speak
under
the
consent
agenda
before
we
vote
Council.
Anyone
have
any
questions
or
comments.
I
I
just
have
one
quick
comment:
I
wanted
to
say
something
about
the
SPF
and
since
it's
the
last
very
last
item
on
our
agenda
tonight,
I
was
concerned
some
of
the
folks
that
made
a
comment
about
that.
Might
not
last
that
long,
Maggie.
I
I
wanted
to
share,
so
I
have
been
in
working
with
the
SPF
Grant
situation
for
three
years
and
if
anything
has
become
clear,
there's
just
simply
not
enough
money
and
to
ever
said
you
know,
there
are
certainly
some
great
causes
and
never
enough
to
help
fund
everybody.
It's
true
and
what
I
would
have
said
later.
If
you
all
are
here
to
say
it
is
that
I
want
to
encourage
us
as
a
council
to
find
more
money.
I
I
think
I
mean
we
always
say
that
we
have
a
lot
of
needs,
but
in
particular
we
have
some
really
great
organizations,
and
we
just
can't
can't
find
everybody.
It's
been
a
challenge
and
I
just
want
to
share
that
in
case
some
of
you
wouldn't
be
here
all
night.
M
It's
a
I
was
also
thinking
about
saying
this
later,
but
I'm
thinking
about
a
lot
of
the
students
that
y'all
work
with
and
that
I
work
with,
and
we
have
some
overlap
and
some
folks
who
can't
be
in
the
room
today.
So
I
know
there
are
deep
needs
in
our
community
and
many
opportunities
to
collaborate
and
to
bolster
partnership.
Instead
of
perpetuating
the
scarcity
narrative,
we
find
money
for
the
things
that
are
important
to
us
and
our
youth
are
important
to
us
right.
M
So
what
I
hear
is
US
asking
for
us
to
show
up
in
a
real
way
and
that
can
look
like
allocating
the
rest
of
the
funds
that
we
have
now
and
finding
the
rest
of
the
money
for
next
year.
But
today,
I
am
really
excited
because
I
think
what
I
hear
our
community
also
saying
is.
While
there
is
deep
need
tonight,
we
celebrate
tonight
I'm
really
excited
to
support
the
Hunt
Hill
transfer,
because
it's
an
investment
in
Partnership
for
neighborhood
resiliency,
for
Community
safety,
for
Place
making
for
our
youth
violence
and
eruption.
M
C
G
A
Opposed,
thank
you.
Okay,
everybody
who
wants
to
make
their
Great
Escape
after
the
consent
agenda.
Now
is
your
time
because
we're
going
to
move
into
the
presentations
and
reports,
and
so
the
first
presentation
report
I
think
Maggie
you'll
queue
it
up.
It's
the
state
of
the
airport.
We
have
the
director
here,
Luke
livewise,
thank
you
for
coming
to
visit
with
us
on
the
state
of
the
airport.
No.
N
That's
fine!
That's
fine!
Now
the
mayor
members
of
council,
thank
you
for
having
me
this
evening.
Get
my
annual
state
of
the
airport
address.
You
have
been
given
a
copy
electronically
of
our
22
annual
operations.
Report
I
provided
several
hard
copies
to
Ms
Burleson
for
your
viewing
pleasure
if
you're
so
interested.
N
These
are
22
stats
as
we're
rolling
around
in
in
this
year
we're
wrapping
up
last
year.
So
from
an
air
service
perspective
we
had
six
carriers,
Allegiant
American,
Delta,
JetBlue,
Sun,
Country
and
United.
N
N
From
a
seat's
perspective,
we
had
one
million
1116
000
seats
aircraft
seats
in
the
market,
which
was
up
12
percent.
From
the
previous
year
operations,
the
airlines
had
26
874
operations
for
the
year,
which
was
up
about
one
percent
reason
for
a
small
increase
in
that
for
the
increase
in
seats.
Is
the
airlines
are
going
from
smaller
aircraft
to
larger
aircraft,
but
less
frequencies?
N
We
had
52
000
operations
for
general
aviation
and
Military,
which
was
up
6.3
percent
from
a
construction
standpoint
at
the
airport.
Last
year
we
updated
our
South
general
aviation
apron
parking
area,
roughly
5.5
million
dollars,
Airfield
electrical
Vault
room,
which
is
at
6.2
million
dollars.
We
started
in
on
the
central
energy
plant,
which
was
the
first
phasing
of
our
new
terminal
building,
which
was
an
80
million
dollar
contract.
N
And
lastly,
we
also
increased
and
added
a
cell
phone
parking
lot
and
expanded
some
parking
up
in
the
general
aviation
area
for
almost
a
million
dollars
from
a
community
standpoint,
the
airport
participated
and
held
the
runway.
5K
again
we
had
a
thousand
Runners,
which
is
capped
at
a
thousand
Runners
because
of
the
size
of
the
event.
We
ended
up
netting
twenty
thousand
dollars
in
revenues
and
that
was
split
evenly
ten
thousand
each
to
a
B
Tech
aviation
fund.
For
for
future
pilots
and
Western
North
Carolina
Pilots
Association
Foundation
again
for
pilot
training.
N
We
still
continue
with
the
local
art
programs
and
musicians
in
the
terminal
employee.
Our
employees
participate
in
an
abl
gives
program
which
is
Charities
throughout
the
community.
We
raised
and
contributed
over
seven
thousand
dollars
and
directly,
and
then
we
assisted
in
United
Way
with
various
programs
pause
for
passengers
is
our
therapy
dog
program
in
the
terminal.
We
really
got
that
up
and
going
again
last
year
after
covid,
and
then
we
also
did
the
Blue
Ridge
honor
Air
flight
last
year
from.
N
We
had
operating
revenues,
we
had
19
million
eight
hundred
and
eighty
nine
thousand
dollars
operating
expenses
was
10.4
million
dollars
so
netting
the
airport,
9.4
million
dollars
for
the
year
and
assets
for
the
for
the
authority
was
236
million,
575
000,
which
is
up
30.6
million
dollars
over
2021..
That
concludes
my
report.
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
may
have.
A
M
I
appreciate
that
we
have
an
airport,
because
I
have
been
able
to
make
connections
and
also
have
family
and
friends
make
connections
to
the
airport.
This
is
not
about
your
report.
It
is
about
my
hope
for
our
city
that
we
have
a.
We
need
a
different
way
to
approach
the
city
than
the
airport.
We
need
to
train
by
great
great
aunt,
Faye
used
to
use
the
train
and
the
trolley
to
get
to,
and
from
and
right
now.
M
N
M
J
A
I
just
got
volunteled
and
glad
to
do
it
as
the
passenger
train
initiative
in
North
Carolina
ramps
up
so
we'll
be
hosting
a
crew
coming
here
to
visit,
visit
us
and
explore
that
opportunity.
So
more.
A
A
B
Thank
you
good
at
well
evening.
Everyone
we
have
two
reports
for
the
city
managers
report
for
tonight
we're
going
to
start
with
kind
of
an
update
on
the
council
Retreat.
It
will
be
kind
of
follow-up
and
Rachel
asked
if
she
could
go
before
we
did
the
update
on
the
water
and,
but
she
said,
she's
going
to
go
really
really
fast
and
we're
going
to
hold
her
hold
her
to
that
I'm.
B
And
this
is
going
to
be
kind
of
again
a
broad
overview
she's
we
got
a
a
dense
slot
deck,
but
we're
not
going
to
go
through
all
of
the
all
of
the
slides
of
in
the
interest
of
time.
The
next
presentation
will
be
the
water
outage
after
Action
Report
summary
and
we'll
have
Ben
Woody,
leading
that
initiative
with
with
staff
from
the
water
department.
That
would
just
bring
you
up
to
speed
on
the
scope
of
that
document.
So
I
will
turn
it
over
to
you.
Rachel.
P
Time
and
because
Ben
did
kindly,
let
me
go
first,
I
am
going
to
go
through
this
really
quickly.
We
are
going
to
have
several
subsequent
conversations
about,
particularly
your
strategic
priority
goals
in
future
agenda
briefing
work
sessions
as
well
as,
as
we
start
to
finalize
your
Council
committee,
work
plans
for
the
upcoming
fiscal
year,
so
this.
P
P
There
were
some
decisions
made
around
what
were
previously
referred
to
as
your
city
council,
Focus
areas
as
a
part
of
tonight's
presentation,
we're
just
going
to
reaffirm
some
of
those
decisions
that
were
made
at
the
council
Retreat,
also
going
to
talk
about
the
process
that
staff
went
through
as
we
looked
at
the
draft
strategic
priority
goals
that
were
created
at
your
retreat
as
staff
looked
at
common
themes
and
ultimately
suggested
some
Consolidated
goals
that
we
want
to
get
your
feedback
on
for
consideration
as
we
are
planning
for
the
upcoming
fiscal
year
and
then
we'll
close
out
today.
P
Talking
about
some
of
those
next
steps,
a
few
of
those
I
already
highlighted
in
my
opening
remarks.
So
quite
key
takeaways.
The
city
council's
vision
is
multi-year
and
aspirational
in
nature
and
really
serves
as
a
guidepost
to
staff
as
we
deliver
our
services
to
the
organization
into
the
community.
Your
strategic
priorities
are
established
typically
each
year
at
your
retreat
and
they
establish
the
key
areas
of
focus
For
an
upcoming
fiscal
year
at
this
year's
retreat.
P
With
the
development
of
the
proposed
strategic
priority
goal,
city
council
has
provided
Clarity
in
terms
of
outcomes
and
intended
impacts
that
you
would
like
to
see
related
to
your
strategic
priorities.
Staff
will
continue
enhancing
processes
to
further
align
projects,
programs
and
initiatives
that
we
have
underway
across
the
organization
with
that
priority
guidance
established
by
city
council.
P
So
at
the
council
Retreat
this
past
March
the
discussion.
There
was
a
considerable
amount
of
discussion
around
the
vision
statement
and
it
was
unanimously
agreed
upon
that,
while
there
might
have
been
some
suggested
tweaks,
the
vision,
2036
statement
will
remain
intact
and
unchanged.
There
were
a
few
minor
suggested
revisions
for
what
were
previously
referred
to.
P
As
a
part
of
the
retreat
discussion
in
March,
there
was
a
review
of
your
strategic
priorities.
Those
strategic
priorities
remained
largely
the
same
as
they
were
in
the
previous
fiscal
year
with
one
revision,
the
previous
strategic
priority
of
neighborhood
resilience
was
expanded
to
include
climate,
so
that
new
strategic
priority
is
now
a
neighborhood
and
climate
resilience
So
the
antenna.
This
visual
is
just
to
show
the
cascading
effect
from
that
broad
aspirational,
Vision
down
to
our
work
plans,
which
is
really
how
we
operationalize
that
priority
direction
that
we
receive
from
city
council.
P
At
your
Retreats
and
throughout
the
year
as
part
of
city
council
discussions
and
Council
committee
discussions,
so
just
to
quickly
highlight
what
we
went
through
at
the
city
council,
Retreat
on
March,
2nd
and
3rd
of
this
year.
We
were
broken
out
into
three
groups.
Those
three
groups
included
a
member
of
executive
leadership
as
well
as
city
council
members,
and
we
were
assigned
to
review
the
Strategic
priorities
and
develop
a
12-month
goal
statement
that
represented
clear
forward
progress
for
each
priority
and
we
were
very
productive
and
we
came
up
with
70
draft
strategic
priority
goals.
P
So
after
after
the
retreat,
we
took
those
70
goals.
There
were
some
that
were
duplicated
amongst
our
different
groups
and
identified
where
there
were
common
themes
and
opportunities
to
consolidate
those
goals
and
staff
has
Consolidated
that
list
down
to
30
draft
goals.
Those
draft
goals
were
provided
in
your
agenda.
Briefing
packet
also
were
attached
as
a
as
a
part
of
tonight's
materials,
but,
as
I
mentioned,
we're
wanting
feedback
from
you
on.
P
Did
we
hit
the
mark
correctly
on
those
draft
strategic
priority
goals
and,
ultimately,
what
we
plan
to
do
with
those
priority
goals
is
to
one
make
sure
that
they're
aligned
with
the
fy24
budget
that
the
city
manager
will
be
proposing
on
May
9th
and
then
use
those
strategic
priority
goals
as
we're
drafting
our
organizational
work
plan.
Council
committee
work
plan
departmental
work
plans
and,
as
we
continue
work
with
our
city
council
advice,
advisory
boards
on
the
development
of
their
work
plans,
as
well.
So
again
in
the
interest
of
time.
P
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
all
of
the
30
draft
strategic
priority
goals
that
City
staff
is
recommending
consolidating
from
the
70
that
came
up
at
the
retreat.
But
did
just
want
to
note
that
similar
to
what
you've
done
at
previous
Retreats,
where
you
either
identify
a
DOT
or
color
code.
Different
themes
that
come
up
staff
went
through
a
similar
exercise
of
identifying
themes
for
each
of
your
strategic
priority
areas
as
we
work
to
consolidate
that
list
of
70
down
to
30
draft
strategic
priority
goals
statements.
P
Also
in
your
materials
and
as
a
part
of
tonight's
presentation,
you'll
note
that
we've
got
some
examples.
This
is
by
no
means
a
comprehensive
list
of
existing
Investments
and
initiatives
that
we
have
that
are
aligned
with
those
Council
strategic
priorities
and
the
goal
statements
that
were
drafted
at
The
Retreat
and
then
the
sampling
of
some
of
the
items
that
are
included
in
our
planned
efforts
for
fiscal
year
24.,
either
initiatives
that
we
already
know
we're
going
to
start
or
a
part
of
the
city
managers,
draft
recommended
budget
for
fiscal
year
24.
P
and
there's
a
lot
of
alignment
and
again
a
lot
of
that
is
thanks
to
the
city
council
for
keeping
the
Strategic
priorities
that
you
had
the
prior
year.
We
already
had
a
lot
of
work
that
was
underway
a
lot
of
projects
that
we
had
on
the
organizational
work
plan
or
multi-year
in
nature,
so
we're
able
to
continue
those,
and
then
we
got
more
specific
direction
from
the
city
council.
As
a
result
of
the
work
that
you
did
on
your
draft
strategic
priority
goals
to
help
us
make
sure
we
were
operationalizing
those
properly
I'm.
K
P
To
cruise
next
steps
and
so
next
steps
in
this
process
again,
we
are
going
to
have
some
follow-up
conversations
as
part
of
future
agenda
briefing.
Work
sessions
that
feedback
that
we
receive
will
be
ultimately
included
in
part
of
the
city.
Manager's
recommended
budget
and
final
feedback
will
be
included
in
the
adopted
budget
for
fiscal
year
2024.
P
We
do
have
in
a
couple
of
months
plan
to
present
the
fiscal
year
2023
annual
report
and
then
we're
going
to
work
across
the
organization,
as
we
have
already
been
on
enhancing
our
Performance
Management
and
communication
on
the
progress
that
we're
making
ultimately
actualizing
and
operationalizing
City
council's
strategic
priority
direction.
We
have
a
new
website,
that's
going
to
launch
in
summer
2023,
which
will
include
some
data
visualization
and
will
help
the
community
as
well
as
city
council,
have
a
better,
more
regular
update
on
how
we're
doing
and
bringing
your
priority
direction
to
fruition.
P
I
I
Q
I
was
just
going
to
ask
one
of
the
next
steps.
You'd
mentioned
was
what
I
love
about?
What
you're
showing
us
is
how
at
the
balcony
level,
where
Council
lives
in
policy,
it
connects
to
the
dance
floor
level
where
the
work
gets
done
of
our
1200
awesome
employees
and
I
saw
a
connection
not
only
between
the
work
plans
of
the
Departments,
but
also
how
we
link
to
our
boards
and
commissions
I.
Think
that's
really
important.
Q
There's
all
these
awesome
citizens
that
several
of
us
used
to
be
before
we
got
elected
that
are
doing
great
work
and
so
kind
of
a
question
is
I.
Know
that
there's
a
lot
of
really
good
work
happening
from
citizens,
kind
of
revisiting
thinking
about
redesign
of
our
boards
and
commissions.
Do
we
have
like
a
chart
of
which
commissions
are
connected
to
which
Council
committees
is
that
something
that
that
revisioning
work
boards
and
commissions
group
can
come
up
with,
because
I'd
love
to
start.
Q
Seeing
that
map
of
how
there's
overlap,
because
I
know
that
several
boards
and
commissions
there's
integration
across
a
lot
of
these
places.
It's
not
this
cut
and
dry
linear
path,
and
so
starting
to
understand.
That
would
be
really
helpful
as
I
consider
and
we
all
consider
like
our
policy
role
in
the
on
the
balcony.
P
Absolutely
and
that's
a
very
timely
comment
so
over
the
past
year
and
thanks
to
the
Housing
and
Community
Development
Committee
for
being
such
a
willing
pilot
we've
been
working
through
specifically,
how
does
that
alignment
structure,
work,
and
so
we've
been
working
with
hcd
and
then
working
with
the
affordable
housing
advisory
committee
to
kind
of
work
through?
What
could
this
process
be?
And
then,
more
recently,
through
the
equity
and
engagement
committee,
we've
been
test
piloting?
How
would
we
have
regular
updates
from
advisory
boards?
So
recently,
we've
heard
from
several
advisory
boards
on
their
annual
report
for.
P
I
had
a
conversation
last
week
with
Sasha
vertunski
who's,
the
staff
support
to
the
affordable
housing
advisory
committee
as
well
as
Sarah
gross
and
the
city
clerk's
office,
to
look
through.
How
do
we
formalize
this
moving
forward
and
so
that
crosswalking,
that
you're,
describing
is
something
that
we're
going
to
be
working
through
with
that
working
group
over
the
course
of
this
summer
and
using
the
council
committee
work
plans
that
are
developed
to
inform
some
potential
work
plan
items
that
would
go
on
each
of
the
advisory
boards.
P
We've
had
a
couple
of
advisory
boards,
I
believe
I'm
going
to
get
the
name
wrong.
Noise,
Advisory
Board,
wants
to
go
to
an
environment
and
safety
soon,
and
so
we're
looking
at.
How
do
we
formalize
that?
So
it's
not
a
so
ad
hoc
and
it's
a
little
bit
more
procedural
in
nature.
So
we
hope
to
get
that
more
fine-tuned
over
the
course
of
the
next
year.
P
But
it's
definitely
going
to
be
iterative
and
we
do
want
to
use
the
feedback
from
the
working
group
as
well
as
the
feedback
from
affordable
housing
advisory
committee,
as
well
as
other
Advisory
board
members
on.
How
can
we
make
that
connection
not
only
with
staff,
but
with
the
city
council
committee
is
Meaningful
so
that
the
work
that
they're
doing
has
a
way
to
more
more
effectively
trickle
back
up
to
council
to
inform
those
policy
considerations
that
are
being
made
very
cool
thanks.
M
Two
things
one
are:
we
are
we
doing
then
a
whole
another
body
of
work
to
the
restructure
that
we
already
did
with
the
board
advisory
boards
being
connected
to
our
Council
committees.
Is
there
a
significant
update
and
amount
of
time
that
staff
is
going
to
do
on
that,
because
we
did
do
that
recently.
P
M
Okay,
two
things
I
was
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
like
Express
what
I
was
thinking
and
then,
when
you
presented
it
today,
it
became
clear
when
we
put
when
we
sat
together
in
our
groups.
One
of
the
things
that
was
missing
was
that,
like
dots
procedure,
so
we
could
see
what
had
seven
six
five.
B
J
M
Hearing
is
that
staff
took
that
body
of
71
and
kind
of
did
that
for
us,
and
it
puts
kind
of
us
in
a
tricky
situation,
because
we
have
to
be
responsible
for
what
the
majority
of
council
says.
So,
for
example,
if
there
was
a
dots
thing,
I
didn't
say:
urban
forestry
master
plan,
but
I
would
have
been
the
fourth
dot
on
the
three
that
I
see
here.
So
when
I
don't
see
it
in
the
final,
that's
not
on
y'all!
That's
on
us,
because
we
like
seem
to
skip
a
process
and
that's
one
example.
M
P
So
as
I'm
and
I,
thank
you
for
bringing
that
up,
so
we're
going
to
continue
having
this
conversation
over
the
course
of
the
next
several
weeks.
So
what
it
was
presented
today
and
what's
attached
with
today's
agenda
materials
is
by
no
means
final.
So
we
want
to
get
that
feedback
from
you.
The
themes
other
than
grouping
and
helping
us
consolidate
goals
are
not
something
that
came
out
of
the
retreat.
P
M
As
a
whole,
bucket
so
did
seem
which
didn't
get
to
the
part
about
what
should
go
in
the
buckets
was
my
concern
and
I
didn't
really
see
it
until
today
it
was
presented
otherwise,
I
would
have
asked
sooner.
For
example,
Clean,
safe
and
healthy
environment,
safe
design
is
so
important.
We
have
the
second
highest
bike:
pedestrian
accident
ratio
in
the
state.
M
If
we
don't
work
every
single
day
to
fix
that
every
time
we
repave
a
road,
then
that's
on
us
but
like
if
we
don't
like
make
sure
that's
infused
by
putting
it
in
the
bucket
I,
wouldn't
want
staff
to
like
bear
the
burden
of
well
y'all
didn't
say
it
needed
to
be
in
there.
So
maybe
it's
a
learning
lesson
for
the
future
retreats
to
make
sure
that
we
do
do
that
kind
of
weighing
process,
so
it
doesn't
fall
on
staff.
M
I
really
appreciate
the
conversation
I
heard
at
the
environment
Safety
Committee
today
and
I
saw
some
of
that
reflected
in
the
presentation
specifically
I
appreciate
the
staff
expressed
the
intention
to
ensure
we're
meeting
the
needs
of
vulnerable
people
during
times
of
crisis,
with
our
community
responder
pilot
program.
I
hadn't
heard
that
part
said
explicitly
yet
I
did
ask
about
it,
and
today
I
heard
it
and
I
heard
it.
In
my
colleagues,
conversation
I
heard
it
in
staff
conversation
the
public
safety
crisis
in
our
community.
M
It
presents
us
with
an
obligation
and
an
opportunity
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
this
opportunity
to
match
the
right
tools
and
training
with
the
crisis
at
hand,
and
if
we
don't
really
honestly
have
the
tools
to
address
Mental,
Health
crisis
or
substance
use
poisoning
in
our
community,
then
we're
really
just
sending
more
staff
to
move
people
around
without
having
the
answers
and
it
kind
of
puts
us
all
in
a
precarious
situation
and
I
appreciate
this
step.
I
think
it's
a
small
But
Mighty
step
and
we're
going
to
learn
a
lot.
M
A
So
you
know
sometimes
it
seems
like
will.
Will
you
know
we'll
end
up
on
this
course?
Staff
will
be
doing
various
kinds
of
work
and,
of
course
it
takes
a
long
time
to
implement
things,
and
it
might
be
a
couple
years
later
and
stops
working
on
something
and
I'll
say.
Why
is
suffering
on
that
thing?
I,
don't
know
what
what
and
they'll
say.
Well,
that's
because
you
guys
said
at
this
meeting
that
you
really
wanted.
You
know
whatever
goal
reach
so
the
way
we
interpreted.
A
That
was
this
thing
and
I
I'm,
trying
to
remember
at
The,
Retreat,
okay,
we
were
in
these
groups
and
you've
given
I'm
looking
at
your
spreadsheet
you've,
given
initials
of
who
was
in
each
group
and
each
group
prepared
these
lists,
which
is
apparently
how
we
got
to
71,
because
we
had
how
many
groups
four
three
four
three.
A
I
A
A
A
A
It's
seven
things,
and
but
we
did
it
different
this
time,
because
these
aren't
overarching
goals
like
Safe,
Community
or
whatever
they're
actually
on
the
ground.
Here's
what's
going
to
happen.
A
It's
really
a
brainstorming
doctor,
I'm
struggling
a
little
bit
about
how
you
know,
because
there's
a
bunch
of
stuff-
that's
not
on
this
I-
mean
I'm
thinking
about,
for
example,
the
Haywood
Street
property
across
from
the
Civic
Center
yep
I
mean
we
had
we
funded
a
300
000
study
to
do
something
with
that
property.
But
it's
not
going
to
be
on
anybody's
to-do
list
here.
We
we
have
I,
don't
remember
if
a
buy
right
process
for
multi-family
housing
made
it
on
this
list.
Hopefully
it's
somewhere
in
here.
It.
A
K
J
I
B
Absolutely
not
I've
been
not
get
it
that
way,
and
that's
why
we
have
been
struggling
every
year,
yeah
to
get
down
to
the
most
important
things
that
we
need
to
be
working
on
from
an
organizational
perspective.
What
I
want
to
make
clear
is:
this
is
an
iterative
process.
This
is
the
beginning,
we're
not
presenting
this
as
a
final.
We
are
presenting
this
as
this
is
where
we
have
come
thus
far.
Well,.
K
B
If
you
want
more
specificity,
plus
I,
think
you
know
again,
we
all
talked
about
roles.
We
think
that
there
is
a
policy
making
role
of
Telus,
what
not,
how
and
and
if
we
and
if
we
want
to
get
into
the,
how
we
Implement
how
we
achieve
your
goals.
That's
an
that's
another
step.
If
there
is
a
specific
kind
of
thing
from
you
know,
a
project
that
you
want
us
to
work
on,
then
we
we
have
time
to
discuss
that,
but.
I
A
B
A
A
A
A
B
A
J
B
I
B
I
S
J
I
B
M
B
A
But
it
it
has
this
the
chart
that
you
provided
the
spreadsheet
is
pure
to
what
actually
happened
in
that
last
day
of
the
work
session
in
terms
of
capturing
the
list
that
each
group
submitted
with
the
retreat
yeah
the
retreat
that
each
group
submitted,
so
it's
still
kind
of
in
a
raw
form.
A
A
A
Of
just
carry
out
this
task,
that
is
something
I'll
say
like
just
let's
finish
that
thought.
It
would
help
me
if
staff
could,
when
they
present,
when
we
do
this
spreadsheet
in
the
in
our
work
session,
if
you
could
kind
of
identify
what
you
consider
to
be
a
good,
you
know
a
policy
goal
versus
that's
kind
of
an
operational
action
that
would
go
under
a
goal.
That
would
help
me
to
help
us
pull
this
list
apart.
I.
Q
Mean
I
I
do
think,
there's
real
value
in
what
staff
has
done
and
I
think
I
just
agree
like
we
need
to
spend
more
time.
I
do
feel
like
the
time
we
spent
was
more
of
a
brainstorm,
and
we.
Q
Know,
I
guess
what
I'm
saying,
though,
is
that
what
I
hear
you
identifying
is
like?
There's
tactics,
operational
tactics,
there's
strategies
and
there's
goals
and
the
suggested
Consolidated
goal
language
does
really
take
things
that
were
highly
Tactical
and
move
them
into
goal
language,
but
I
think
we
as
a
group
need
to
look
at
all
of
it
together
and
kind
of
say
which
of
these?
Do
we
want
to
move
into
goal
language.
A
Q
Well,
I
guess
what
I'm
saying
is
like
that's,
not
necessarily
a
policy
goal,
that's
an
operational
program
to
do
what
and
so
staff
is
saying
to
help.
Keep
residents
in
their
homes
is
more
of
the
goal
concept
right
so
I
mean,
and
so
what
we
need
to
do,
as
policy
makers
is
not
say
like
here.
Are
the
programs
I
want
you
to
go
execute
staff
we
say
like
here
are
the
goals
and
you
tell
us
what
programmatic
methods
you'll
get.
I
A
I
M
Sounds
great
the
other
thing
I
just
want
to
put
on
the
table
because
it
comes
out
of
care.
I
showed
up
to
the
retreat,
trying
really
hard
to
say,
like
let's
check
some
stuff
off
the
list
where
we
need
to
get
some
stuff
done
for
our
community,
especially
while
we're
dealing
with
overlapping
crises.
So
I
did
not
add
the
brainstorm
that
I
would
have
maybe
added
if
it
was
in
brainstorm
mode.
M
B
T
T
I'm
going
to
do
the
first
couple
of
slides
the
key
takeaways
and
I'm,
going
to
turn
it
over
to
Leslie
our
assistant
director
in
the
Water
Resources
Department
and
she's,
going
to
really
talk
through
or
walk
through
what
the
after
action
report
is
and
how
they
used
it
in
the
Water
Department
and
then
at
the
end,
I'm
going
to
come
up
and
do
the
concluding
slide.
So
that's
kind
of
our
order
of
presentations
and
with
that
I'll
jump
right
into
the
key
takeaways.
T
So
I
want
to
start
by
just
we're
going
to
go
back
and
say
that
following
the
December
2022
water
outage
incident,
the
water
department
carried
out
a
root
cause
analysis
and
what
that
typically
does
it's
a
process
that
a
department
uses
to
compile
information
and
procedures
and
then
do
a
further
analysis
of
that
internal
after
action
reporting
is
carried
out
by
staff
after
any
incident,
and
that's
not
just
the
water
department,
that's
most
of
our
departments.
They
typically
do
after
action
reporting
always
for
a
major
incident,
oftentimes
even
for
a
minor
incident.
T
So
this
is
a
common
operational
practice.
It's
typically
not
distributed
to
the
public
or
Council
that
doesn't
mean
that
parts
of
an
after-action
report
aren't
a
public
record.
It
just
means
it's
an
operational
exercise
and
document
that
departments
put
together.
The
goal
of
an
after-action
report
is
to
identify
any
system,
adjustments
or.
T
They
can
be
made
to
better
service
the
community
and
to
provide
more
efficient
and
effective
response
to
Future
incidents.
So
again,
it's
a
tool
that
departments
use
to
address
concerns
and
to
do
better
in
the
future
Water
Resources
Department
as
it
relates
to
the
water
outage
of
2022.
They
did
present
some
preliminary
findings
to
council
at
your
January
10
2023
meeting
following
that
meeting
water
department
did
a
more
detailed
analysis
of
the
incident,
causes
possible
improvements,
and
that
was
what
was
used
to
create
an
after-action
report
and.
T
Plan
to
guide
some
of
the
operational
improvements
that
water
is
already
doing,
Leslie's
going
to
come
up
and
talk
about
some
of
that
in
a
minute
and
then
finally,
the
report
was
requested
and
released
to
the
independent
Review
Committee.
As
you
know,
that's
the
committee
that
Council
appointed
at
the
January
10th
meeting
to
do
a
comprehensive
analysis
of
this
event,
so
that
committee
does
have
this
report
as
well,
and
I'll
talk
a
little
more
about
that.
T
T
I
do
also
want
to
take
a
second,
the
city
does
we
do
have
internal
protocols
in
place
so
typically,
when
there
is
the
release
of
critical
information
to
the
media
as
part
of
the
public
records
request,
our
internal
protocols
dictate
that
we
share
that
with
the
elected
body
before
that
happens.
In
this
instance,
those
protocols
were
not
followed,
and
so
I
just
want
to
apologize
to
the
members
of
the
council.
For
that.
T
J
M
T
The
after
action
reports
are
typically
created
by
the
Departments,
so
the
internal
staff
do
that
those
are
operational
internal
documents,
the
health
departments,
improve
performance
or
make
adjustments.
Those,
of
course,
are
public
records.
M
You
for
clarifying
that
because
I
know
folks
are
curious
and
I
certainly
was
too,
but
I
heard
that
maybe
I
misunderstood
the
second
thing.
My
concern
wasn't
that
the
report
would
be
available
when
it
would
be
released.
But
this
isn't
the
first
time
that
a
report
was
available
to
staff
that
wasn't
available
to
us
to
review
in
enough
time
and
I
do
think
that
it's
very
possible
that
our
public
tax
dollar
records
once
they're
available
should
be
public.
So
we
can
all
gain
understanding,
because
the
Press
is
part
of
securing
our
democracy.
M
So
I
guess
my
curiosity
is
I
still
don't
know
when
this
report
was
even
available-
and
maybe
there's
not
an
answer
for
that
today.
But
it's
an
important
question:
if
the.
If
the
report
was
available
a
month
ago
and
we
were
just
like
holding
out,
then
that
was
a
whole
month
that
could
have
been
like
better
understanding
what
happened.
So
that's
still
a
question
for
me.
M
T
T
V
Since
I've
already
been
introduced,
you
know
who
I
am
it's
very
nice
to
be
here
this
evening
and
to
have
an
opportunity
to
talk
with
you,
so
I
get
sort
of
the
boring
part.
I
guess
just
describe
you
to
give
you
some
more
information
on
what
an
after
action
report
is.
V
What
we
do
in
water
is.
We
do
after
action
reports
as
a
document
that
summarizes
key
information
gathered
during
the
evaluation
of
an
incident.
The
report
identifies
improvements
and
provides
for
more
efficient
and
effective
response
to
Future
incidents.
These
types
of
reports
are
technical
in
nature
and
are
a
best
practice.
The
Water
Resources
Department
deals
with
a
multitude
of
common
and
uncommon
incidents
on
a
regular
basis.
Therefore,
Water
Resources
Department
completes
these
types
of
reports
for
a
very
variety
of
situations.
V
So
our
standard
response
and
documentation
the
typical
process
for
our
department
that
our
department
follows
for
incidents
that
impact
the
safety
of
a
customer,
an
employee
or
the
environment,
is
to
complete
a
root
cause
analysis.
The
Water,
Resources
Department
uses
a
corrective
preventative
Action
Report
Form,
to
determine
the
cause,
Solutions
short
and
long-term
changes
and
deadlines.
V
The
incident
at
Christmas
was
very
large
and
complex
in
nature.
Therefore,
the
best
format
that
we
felt
was
most
useful
was
the
homeland
Securities
after
Action
Report,
Improvement
plan
format,
and
that's
why
we
use
that
format
as
opposed
to
what
we
normally
use
so
the
objectives
of
an
after
Action
Report.
V
V
So
I
want
to
update
you
on
some
of
the
things
that
have
changed
the
status
status
of
identified
improvements.
Many
of
the
corrective
action
items
listed
in
the
Improvement
plan
have
already
been
completed:
more
comprehensive
list
of
equipment,
specifications
and
vendors
on
the
Mills,
River
water
treatment,
plant,
New,
feedlot,
chemical
feed
lines,
extra
installation,
installation
replacement
of
mechanical
equipment
have
already
taken
place,
staff
Staffing
to
perform
essential
functions
and
a
public
in
a
Department
Public
Information
officer
have
been
requested
in
our
FY
24
budget.
V
Long-Term
improvements
also
include
CIP
planning,
regular
scheduled
cross-training
and
mentoring
during
incidents,
and
those
are
two
separate
things
keep
in
mind
that
we're
not
wanting
it
together.
Other
improvements
will
be
addressed
in
the
Mills
River
plant
miscellaneous
plant
Improvement
project,
it's
kind
of
written
wrong.
There
phase
two,
so
you
may
be
aware:
we've
been
doing
phase
one,
that's
almost
complete
and
we
have
a
phase
two
already
in
design
that
we
received
a
five
million
dollar
Grant
from
the
state
through
arpa,
and
that
will
she
go
out
to
bed.
We
hope
before
September.
J
I
I
I
I
guess
I
was
speaking
more
to
the
equipment
that
I
thought
we
learned
was
Outdoors
anyways
I'm,
just
wondering
if
there
is
going
to
be
a
review
into
other
things,
we
may
not
know
could
be
future
problems,
or
are
we
just
analyzing
what
happened
and
how
to
fix?
What
happened?
Could
there
be
other
external
equipment
out
there
that
we're
not
aware
of
needs
insulation,
for
example?
Is
that
being
looked
at
in.
V
This
process,
so
my
interpretation
of
the
in
the
independent
Review
Committee
from
the
questions
that
they've
asked
and
the
data
that
they've
requested
and
the
meetings
that
we've
had
or
they're
taking
a
broad
look
okay
at
this
situation
and
that
they
are
also
going
to
come
back
with
some
recommendations.
V
Than
we
have
yeah
I
do
I
can
tell
you
that
my
staff
has
sat
down
with
our
engineering
firm.
That's
for
the
phase
two
project
and
they've
made
some
modifications
in
those
designs
to
address
some
of
the
issues
we
ran
into
at
the
plant.
A
I
Q
Have
issues
from
what
we
don't
know?
What
comes
up
for
me,
too,
is
like
what
I
can
glean
on
this.
Is
that
a
really
essential,
First
Step?
That
staff
did
in
this
is
a
root
cause
analysis.
When
you
identify
the
root
cause
of
the
disruption,
then
you
come
up
with
strategies
to
prevent
that
in
the
future,
and
I
would
want
to.
Q
I
would
hope
that
the
independent
Review
Committee
would
review
staff's
root,
cause
analysis
and
improve
upon
it
check
it
see
if
they
uncover
new
things,
because
if
we
get
to
the
wrong
route,
then
we're
solving
wrong
problems
and
so
having
outside
eyes
with
fresh
lens
different
experience,
really
making
sure
that
that's
a
solid
foundation
to
build
from
I
hope
would
be
part
of
the
independent
Review
Committee
work.
They.
V
Q
B
And
I
think
I
mean
to
U.S
credit.
That's
why
you
formed
and
created
the
independent
Review
Committee
to
look
at
not
only
what
happened,
but
the
are
we
missing.
Did
we
miss
some
critical
steps
or
decision
making
or
from
a
capital
perspective
is?
Is
there
Qi
items
we
need
or
should
have
had
to
prevent
this
in
the
future
and
or
to
prevent
it?
Yeah.
M
A
question
about
a
budget
line
item
that
I
don't
yet
see
like
a
price
tag
for,
and
maybe
we
don't
have
it
yet
during
the
water
outage,
I
think
folks.
What
I
was
hearing
folks
say
is
they
were
expecting
some
sort
of
like
status.
Update
bar
like
if
I'm
expecting
a
package,
then
I
know
if
there's
a
delay,
because
I
get
an
alert
and
I
know
what
kind
of
what
the
delay
was.
Maybe
it
was
Transportation
issues
or
something
like
that.
A
M
Much
real
time
sounds
like
a
very
expensive
process,
and
data
set
to
have,
which
is
so
different
than
we've
talked
about
with
Duke
electricity.
It's
just
a
different
utility
to
have
to
measure,
especially
with
our
topography.
So,
while
I
see
like
hits
in
that
direction
that
we're
going
to
work
on
that,
because
people
were
very
upset
that
they
weren't
turning
on
the
water
and
receiving
water.
M
T
So
I
think
I
think
obviously
investing
in
the
system
in
the
infrastructure
is
of
the
utmost
importance
and
that's
in
our
inner
cities
in
your
CIP
rcip
will
continue
to
be
I.
Do
think
in
terms
of
how
we
can
provide
notice
and
share
information
more
real
time.
That's
always
a
goal.
That's
a
goal
for
every
Department
that
would
I,
don't
think
that
would
ever
replace
the
basic
needs
of
providing
a
core
service,
but
to
somewhat
answer
your
question.
T
I
know
falling
actually
in
the
after
action
report
is
I
know
water
is
going
to
try
to
use
the
gis
system
in
a
more
robust
way
to
have
maps
and
show
better
indications
of
outage
areas
and
things
like
that.
That's
something
internally,
they're
doing
I
know
the
eight
I
don't
want
to
get
out
of
line
here.
Y'all
water,
but.
T
Project
you
know
the
first
phase
of
that's
really
customer
focused
in
terms
of
having
Smart
Meters,
but
I.
Think
the
Ami
technology
in
the
future
may
allow
for
some
additional
modules
or
or
better
ways
to
manage
our
water
system.
Overall
I
don't
want
to
give
that's
that's
years
off,
that's
in
the
future,
but
there's
always
technology
improvements
that
become
available.
A
From
a
from
a
system,
space
is
where
you
get
real-time
data,
because
right
now
we
have
radio,
whatever
it's
called.
So
we
don't
get
real-time
data,
which
is
how
Water
Systems
as
I
understand
it,
have
functioned
all
over
until
they
can
get
the
funding
and
move
to
the
next
level
of
technology
I.
It
was
my
understanding
that
we
have
that
in
the
planning
process
already
and
I
know
the
water
director's
here.
So
maybe
you
can
speak
to
it,
but
I
I.
It
was
my
understanding
that
was
kind
of
already
well.
A
A
Anyone
here
want
to
talk
to
speak
to
the
issue
about
the
the
technology
piece
on
real-time
data,
a
real-time
you
know
outage
or
usage
status.
We.
X
So
yeah
I'll,
let
David
speak
yeah
and
it's
from
utility
to
utility
talking
about
Duke
Energy,
it's
a
much
different
utility
than
water.
You
know:
you've
got
electric
currents,
communication
all
that
all
that
cutting
in
one
package
right
water
is
a
little
bit
more
difficult.
X
Just
to
give
you
an
example,
we
looked
at
alternative
with
this
with
am
I
project.
This
present
project
just
for
automatic
shutoff
files,
which
would
help
with
move-ins
move
outs.
That
kind
of
thing
it
was
another
20
million
dollars.
So
excuse
me,
so
there
is
a
big
cost
difference
with.
J
X
A
X
I
asked
meter
in
infrastructure
which
does
reduce
truck
rolls
and
things
like
that.
We'll
staff,
the
road
trucks
for
service
orders.
J
X
Some
of
the
things
it
will
take
some
way,
but
some
will
remain
and,
like
Ben
said
this
is
going
to
be
a
very
customer-centric.
X
You
can
pull
up
your
account.
You
can
get
look
at
reports
much
like
Duke
sends
out
now.
You
know
you
use
this
you're
you're
kind
of
your
neighbors
or
the
average
use
this,
so
you
can
kind
of
gauge
where
it's
at
and
you
can
better
manage
your
water
usage
as
well
and
detect
leaks
earlier
right
outside
the
league.
So
that's
some
of
the
advantages
that
we
get
with
this.
This.
X
X
X
Can
adjust
the
system
there's
a
lot
of
technical
things
in
the
background
that
you
know
deal
with
the
batteries
and,
depending
on
what
intervals
you
do
that?
Typically,
a
lot
of
utilities
do
four
hours
and
that's
probably,
what
will
start
so?
You'll
have
information
updating
every
four
hours,
but.
X
A
K
X
X
Not
at
this
stage
that
that
would
be
another
add-on
where
you
can
add,
like
pressure,
sensors
float
different
flow
sensors
that
type
thing,
and
we
can
actually
hook
it
up
and
make
it
a
part
of
our
non-revenue
water
program,
where
we
have
Zone
meters
in
different
places
that
we
could
get.
Those
alarms
that
come
in
that
the
Zone
meter
is
up
of
the
ordinary.
For,
for
whatever
reason
that
way,
we
can
roll
staff.
T
So
last
last
slide
real
quick.
Just
to
summarize
and
two
observations
based
on
council's
conversation.
One
is
the
independent
Review
Committee,
as
you
can
see
in
the
second
last
second
to
last
bullet.
They
do
have
the
water
Department's
after
action
report
and
Improvement
plan,
they
have
a
tremendous
number
of
documents
by
Design
the
staff's,
not
a
part
of
that
we
don't
have
access
to
their
works.
I
can't
tell
you
everything,
they're
doing,
but
I
know
they
meet
regularly.
They
have
subcommittees
they've
done
a
tremendous
number
of
interviews.
T
Probably
some
of
you
have
been
interviewed,
they've
done
plant
tours.
If
you
remember
at
your
last
so
they've
come
here
and
done
tours
at
your
last
agenda.
Briefing
Jay
Dundas
was
here
and
talked
about.
You
know
we're
paying
for
a
modeling
study
at
their
requests.
So
I
know
that
group
is
putting
tremendous
energy
and
effort
into
their
review
and-
and
that
is
still
scheduled
to
be
available
at
the
end
of
May.
So
I
do
want
to
highlight
that.
Yes,
that
is
forthcoming
with
a
suite
of
recommendations.
T
The
the
other,
the
other
piece
I
would
note
about
the
about.
The
after
action
report
is
when
water
and
you
can
see
here
on
the
slide
deck
and
let
me
I'll
just
get
to
that.
So
in
December
29th.
In
the
midst
of
the
outage,
we
were
in
the
middle
of
it.
We
got
our
first
request
for
the
after
action
plan.
T
So
again
we
had
a
media
request
for
a
plan
that
wasn't
even
created
yet
so
just
want
to
give
context
for
the
for
the
basis
of
that
request,
but
they,
as
we
all
have
said,
probably
understand
that
departments
typically
do
after
action,
reports
and
Improvement
plans.
After
events,
January
4th
the
water
service
was
fully
restored.
On
January
10th
staff
came
to
council.
We
gave
a
summary
of
incident
communication.
Timelines
I
did
a
review
of
some
of
the
immediate
after
incident
actions
that
water
was
taken
in
the
course
Council
established
that
independent
Review
Committee.
T
In
just
a
note,
as
you
can
see,
January
9th
the
24th
is
when
the
water
department-
and
they
were
doing
this
really
the
whole
time,
but
they
began
their
process
to
develop
this
after
action
plan
and
that's
important,
because
what
I
want
to
reiterate
is
it
was
still
January.
It
was
still
cold.
We
cannot
have
this
happen
again,
so
I
think
that's
part
of
why
the
water
department
immediately
started
putting
together
this
after
Action
Report
to
begin
implementing
measures
to
ensure
it
didn't
happen
again.
T
So
again,
you
have
to
view
that
as
an
operational
document
and
it
was
created
in
its
time
as
they
were
still
trying
to
work
through
that
outage
and
be
prepared.
January
30th,
2023
I
think
it
was
asked
earlier.
The
after
Action
Report
was
completed
and,
as
I
said,
water
began
implementing
the
Improvement
plan
March
1st
2023.
The
report
was
released
to
the
independent
Review
Committee.
T
That
committee
has
signed
a
non-disclosure
agreement,
so
they
have
access
to
a
number
of
resources
and
records
that
were
created
as
part
of
that
outage
and
then,
finally,
on
April
19th
2023.
The
report
was
released
to
the
media
after
the
redaction
of
sensitive
security.
Information
and
I
want
to
end
my
part
of
the
presentation
by
again
apologizing
to
council
directly
for
not
providing
that
report
sooner
and
before
the
media
release
can.
M
We
go
back
to
that
slide.
I,
hear
you
and
I
don't
want
you
to
be
all
alone
in
that,
like
I,
want
to
share
responsibility.
What
it
looks
like
is
10
weeks
of
not
having
a
closed
session,
which
we
could
have
had
which
I
asked
about.
We
could
have
if
there
were
freezing
days
and
we
had
another
water
outage,
we
could
have
shared
responsibility
and
I.
Think
that's
the
part
that
I
worry
about
is
in
our
in
our
fear
and
our
risk
assessment.
M
We
end
up
with
analysis
paralysis
instead
of
sharing
responsibility,
and
it's
really
hard
to
be
part
of
a
team
and
just
hope
that
someone
will
apologize
at
the
end.
I
don't
want
to
throw
people
under
the
bus.
I
want
to
get
people
on
the
bus.
I
just
can't
get
people
on
the
bus.
If
I
don't
have
the
papers.
M
January
30th
is
completed,
March
1st.
It
goes
to
the
independent
review
there.
We
had
multiple
closed
sessions
scheduled
between
them.
We
easily
could
have
released
this
to
council,
so
in
the
future,
I
would
like
to
do
like
have
a
shared
responsibility.
Personally,
instead
of
just
waiting
for
which
staff
member
is
going
to
apologize
for
not
getting
the
documented
Council,
it
seems
unfair.
A
Well,
or
maybe
somebody
knows
what
was
it
still
in
draft
form
January
3rd
like
why?
Why
why
have
we
provided
it
to
the
independent
Review
Committee
under
a
non-disclosure
agreement
and
I
guess
I,
if
that
was
because
they
needed
to
do
their
work
and
the
reports
are
issued
at
the
same
time,
what
what
changed
like?
Why
did
it
not?
Y
I
would
invite
Ben
to
talk
about
some
of
the
specifics
with
regard
to
the
report
itself,
but
but
as
to
the
dates,
I
think
there's
a
couple
of
important
pieces
of
information
to
be
aware
of
so
with
regard
to
the
January
30
date,
which
is
what
is
listed
here
on
the
slide
as
the
date
the
after
Action
Report
was
completed
and
then
that
being
provided
to
the
independent
Review
Committee,
approximately
you
know
a
month-ish
later
during
that
time
have
been,
may
be
able
to
speak
specifically
to
what
was
going
on
there.
Y
We
are
dictating
exactly
what
they're
going
to
get
when
they're
going
to
get
it
we're
being
much
more
responsive
in
terms
of
what
they
want,
and
we
knew
this
is
something
they
would
want.
So
I
can't
tell
you
exactly
when
they
requested
it,
but
what
is
important
here
is
that
there
is
a
delay
between
the
time
it
was
completed
and
the
time
it
was
produced
as
part
of
a
public
records
request,
primarily
for
one
reason
for
two
reasons
really,
and
it
is
that
number
one.
Y
There
is
a
period
in
there
where
staff
had
to
review
the
completed
report
and
go
through
the
process
to
determine
if
anything
in
there
was
not
producible,
because
it's
it
included
sensitive
security
information,
we're
required
to
redact
those
things.
So
there
was
a
period
where
the
entire
report
had
to
be
reviewed
from
legal
and
the
operational
staff
perspective
to
be
able
to
remove
those
things.
Y
The
additional
delay,
which
is
somewhat
contemporaneous,
is
that
we
have
one
individual
who
responds
to
public
records,
requests
in
the
city
and
we
have
hundreds
and
hundreds
of
public
records
requests.
So
this
one
when
it
came
up
is
when
we
actually
started
the
process
of
review
and
getting
it
ready
to
be
able
to
put
out
prior
to
that,
we
were
completing
public
records,
requests
that
we
had
received
prior
to
this,
as
we
do
first
in
first
out
now.
Y
With
regard
to
the
Indio
that
the
independent
review
committee
and
Ben
I'll
have
to
lean
on
you
to
verify
this.
My
assumption
there
is
that
what
they
received
is
the
non-redacted
version
of
this,
which
included
all
of
the
information
which
is
both
public
and
non-public
information
to
give
them
the
complete
picture
for
review,
which
is
why
they
received
that
report
under
a
non-disclosure
agreement
different
from
what
was
produced
to
the
public,
which
under
law
required
us
to
redect
certain
information.
So.
J
A
That's
not
clear
in
this
timeline.
It
just
looks
like
hey.
This
report
was
ready
and
nothing
was
changed
about
it
and
then
it
was
produced.
So
it
would
be
helpful
to
add
that
information
that
it
wasn't
yet
in
a
public
records
producible
form.
Yet
it
hadn't
been
reviewed
for
non.
You
know,
information
that
couldn't
be
disclosed
because
it's
Personnel
related
or
something
else.
A
T
Just
one
quick
I
do
want
to
fill
in
a
date
Gap
that
was
asked
about.
So
the
first
meeting
and
you're
right,
City
attorney
red
randoms,
correct
that
the
documents
that
have
been
provided
to
the
IRC
are
really
are
based
upon
what
they're
asking
for
us
we're
trying
to
be
responsive
to
their
needs,
and
so
just
just
to
caveat.
The
the
first
meeting
of
the
IRC
was
actually
February
20th.
T
So
my
understanding
is
that
the
initial
documents
that
were
shared
in
March
were
really
a
response
or
part
of
like
giving
that
committee
what
they
needed
to
do
their
work.
But
again
they
didn't
start
meeting
until
February
20th
20th.
So
just
just
to
give
that
why
there's
a
gap
between
the
30th
of
March.
M
B
K
M
Is
an
opportunity,
though,
an
unfortunate
one
to
learn
as
we
look
at
what
our
emergency
response
and
neighborhood
and
climate
resilience
looks
like
I
really
cannot
overstate
this
enough
that
this
is
not
the
first
emergency
that
this
community
is
going
to
face
and
if
we
put
protecting
the
organization
over
a
quality,
Equitable
service
outcomes,
we
are
all
going
to
fail
and
we
can't
share
the
work.
If
we
don't
have
the
information
so
I,
just
I
really
I
want
our
community
to
hold
us
all
accountable
to
doing
better.
I.
M
Think
is
why
open
records
policy
is
important
and
like
I,
want
to
help,
but
I
can't
help.
If
it's,
we
don't
have
the
information
and.
B
We
didn't
withhold
any
information
again
other
than
as
part
of
the
Improvement
plan,
because
they
were
documents
still
documenting
fears
are
the
things
that
happen
and
here's
what
we
need
to
do
to
improve
upon
and
minimize
or
mitigate
that
happening
again,
and
then
we
started
implementation,
so
I
I
just
want
to
make
sure
there
was
you
all
understand.
There
was
nothing
nefarious
or
withholding,
or
any
of
that
that
we
were
trying
to
do
we.
These
documents
are
prepared
from
the.
I
Actually
appreciate
hearing
I
think
it
was
earlier
said
when
Ben
first
stood
up,
that
these
kind
of
incident
and
after
action
reports
are
fairly
common
and
not
typically
released
to
us
that
made
me
feel
a
little
better
as
the
person
that
got
the
call
from
the
media
that
that's
not
really
how
this
normally
happens.
So
I
appreciate
that.
Q
And
really
the
place
I'm
most
excited
for
is
from
the
Independent
Review
Committee,
because
you
know
I
can
look
at
actions,
I've
done
and
miss
the
same
blind
spots
every
time.
That's
just
human
and
so
I
think
it's
good
process
that
our
staff
did
that
through
the
after
action
review
and
the
reason
we
want
the
independent
Review
Committee
is
to
help
make
us
better
and
so
have
them
see
what
the
blind
spots
are.
And
so
really
you
know
I
read
through
this.
Q
It
didn't
shed
a
lot
of
new
light
on
any
of
the
information
I'd
had
before
it
would.
You
know
I
felt
like
it
was
a
surprise
and
that
felt
uncomfortable,
but
I
just
I
really
want
to
know
where
we're
going
and
I
look
for
the
independent
Review
Committee,
giving
us
that
helping
us
see
what
we
couldn't
see
ourselves
or
or
see
ourselves
in
even
better
light.
A
A
Z
Name
is
Clay
Mitchell
I
am
I,
don't
know
how
long
I
can
get
away
with
it's.
A
recent
hire
in
planning
and
Urban
Design
I
moved
here
from
New
Hampshire
and
I've
been
a
planner
for
25
years.
I'm.
Also
an
attorney
but
I'm
admitted
in
New
Hampshire
I
haven't
decided
if
I
want
to
take
the
bar.
A
Z
K
Z
Kind
of
density,
development
and
then
all
along
Tunnel
Road
is
kind
of
corridor
based
development
to
the
to
the
greater
north
of
the
properties,
Innsbruck
mall
and
then
to
the
South
it's
Asheville
Mall.
So
this
is
kind
of
an
area
of
transition
from
Corridor
development
to
residential
development.
Z
Z
This
and
this
I
wanted
to
highlight
that
it.
Actually,
it
is
urban
Corridor,
but
it
also
abuts
traditional
neighborhood
and
as
staff
analyzed
it.
It
felt
that
this
multi-family
development
actually
comports
with
both
of
those
and
it
provides
a
transition
from
commercial
to
residential
and
both
both
future
land
use.
Designations
include
recommendations
for
residential
expansion,
so
no
change
in
the
future
land
use
designation
is
required.
Z
This
is
what
I
guess
you
would
call
the
gray
infrastructure
of
the
project.
You
see
the
parking
in
the
middle
of
kind
of
an
L-shaped
building
at
the
front
is
a
community
amenity
building
it's
one
building
with
one
roof
that
has
two
separate
parts.
Part
of
it
is
a
leasing
office.
The
other
part
are
indoor
amenities
serving
the
facility.
You
see
immediately
south
of
that
as
a
playground.
Z
There's
bike
parking,
there's
a
covered
picnic
area
in
the
lower
right
and
the
the
number
of
parking
spaces
is
going
to
be
about
25,
depending
on
Ultimate
development
choices.
The
number
of
handicap
spots
will
be
determined,
but
they
will
provide
the
minimum.
The
pink
line
is
the
is
a
new
retaining
wall.
I
don't
know
if
you're
familiar
with
restaurant
court,
but
it's
a
very
steep
climb,
there's
already
retaining
walls
on
the
property.
The
property
has
been
cleared
and
leveled
and
has
been
contained
within
those
retaining
walls.
Z
There's
a
significant
amount
of
this
is
the
green
infrastructure,
a
significant
amount
of
plantings
along
the
buffer,
and
you
can
see
from
the
application
and
from
the.
K
Z
Z
Z
All
of
the
units
in
this
development
will
be
100
for
or
will
be
affordable
at
80
percent
Ami
below
it.
The
project,
in
addition
to
support
directly
from
the
city,
is
Seeking
a
number
of
tax
credits
and
other
programs
to
provide
the
support.
So
there
will
be
a
mix
of
affordability
levels,
but
the
the
applicant,
the
owner,
can't
determine
exactly
what
those
levels
are
going
to
be.
40
years
is
the
minimum
time
with
a
goal
to
have
permanent
affordability
and,
as
I
promised
the
applicant
during
one
of
our
earlier.
Z
Works
or
is
the
executive
director
of
a
non-profit
that
provides
these
kind
of
services
in
New,
York
City,
and
it's
a
it's
a
real.
It's
a
real
important
segment
of
housing
that
often
gets
underreported
or
not
paid
attention
to
and
I
just
thought.
It
was
a
really
special
component
of
this
application.
Z
As
with
conditional
zoning,
there
will
be
some
technical
modifications.
60
parking
spaces
would
technically
be
required.
The
applicant
is
asking
for
25
the
parking
areas
are
located
between
the
building
and
the
court
main
Corridor.
That
is
something
that,
in
the
residential
expansion
District,
we
try
to
put
the
parking
on.
The
back.
Sidewalks
will
be
a
minimum
of
five
feet:
internal
to
the
site
where
residential
expansion
requires
10,
and
there
are
already
existing
sidewalks
and
a
planting
buffer
along
restaurant
court.
Z
So
adding
10
foot
sidewalks
would
be
keeping
the
existing
infrastructure
is
requested
by
the
applicant.
The
front
setback
in
residential
expansion
is
supposed
to
be
15
feet.
The
applicant
is
asking
for
five.
This
provides
them
with
greater
flexibility,
allows
to
add
those
parking
spaces
along
the
front.
Z
There
are
no
bike
Lanes
or
bike
facilities
on
Tunnel,
Road
or
coming
into
restaurant
court,
but
the
planning
zone
commission
has
asked-
and
the
applicant
has
agreed
to
put
sharrows
on
the
entrance
way
and
to
have
a
good
faith
discussion
in
the
future
if
those
types
of
amenities
are
supplied.
One
last
point
about
Transit
at
Tunnel,
Road
immediately
at
the
bottom
of
restaurant
Court,
there's
a
an
outbound
stop,
which
is
a
sign
right
in
front
of
the
mountain
you're
in
and
there's
an
inbound
stop
with
a
shelter
across
the
street.
Z
Those
Transit
stops
support
four
separate
routes,
so
there's
a
significant
connection
to
public
transportation,
both
inbound
and
outbound,
to
city
center,
as
well
as
to
employment
opportunities.
Again
part
of
the
comprehensive
plan
goals,
so
the
site
is
designated
like
I
said:
Urban
Corridor.
It
provides
infill
development
both
in
the
traditional
neighborhood,
which
of
butts
the
site
and
the
urban
Corridor
residential
expansion
is
a
zoning
that
is
recommended
for
the
areas.
Z
It's
ports,
a
number
of
goals
in
the
comprehensive
plan,
increasing
excuse
along
Transit
corridors
to
bring
both
residents
as
well
as
employment
opportunities
on
the
same
Corridor
and
obviously
increasing,
and
diversifying
the
housing
Supply
promotes
the
development
of
affordable
housing.
100
of
the
units
are
proposed
to
be
affordable.
Z
This.
This
was
not
reviewed
by
the
technical.
There
were.
This
came
forward
as
another
application
a
long
time
ago.
This
date
should
be
March,
6
2023.
It
was
approved
by
the
technical
Review
Committee
approved
with
conditions.
That
was
my
error.
It
was
approved
on
April
5th
2023
by
the
Planning
and
Zoning
commission,
at
a
unanimous
vote
with
some
discussion
about
Transit
and
the
sheros
were
ultimately
arrived.
J
Z
I
Z
Z
No,
no
okay,
I
didn't
think
so.
I
didn't
hear
anything
either
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
can
go
back.
The
property
looks
closer
to
the
abutting
area.
There's
really
no
connection
between
this
parcel
and
beaucatcher
road,
which
I
believe
is
immediately
to
the
South,
and
so
the
only
people
that
use
this
road
are.
R
R
K
I
Yeah
I
think
it's
a
good
thing.
I
just
wanted
to
see
if
any
neighborhood
spoke
up
about
it,
okay
and
then
just
for
council's
clarity,
I'm
going
to
highlight
something
that
we're
going
to
I'm
going
to
highlight
in
another
review
later.
This
is
talking
about
setbacks
on
the
rear
inside
of
15
feet.
Okay,
so
I'm
gonna
bring
this
up
later.
I
A
M
Welcome
to
the
team
I
think
you
did
a
great
job
and
clearly
you
did
your
homework
and
were
ready
to
present
this
tonight
after
a
very
difficult
conversation.
So
you
knocked
out
of
the
park.
I
asked
this
question
every
time.
So
when
we're
looking
at
meeting
our
carbon
reduction
goals
and
neighborhood
resiliency
goals,
we
need
to
partner
for
renewable
energy
and
when
we
don't
I
learned
that
when
we
don't
ask
this
question
early
enough,
folks
just
spread
air
conditioning
units
all
over
new
development.
Z
It's
I
have
anticipated
this
question
from
you
and
I
appreciate
it.
Yeah
I
have
a
lot
of
background
personally
and
professionally
in
working
in
the
energy
field,
and
I
met
with
mountain
housing
opportunities
a
couple
of
times
to
go
over
this
one,
more
generally
and
second
specific
to
the
site.
We
are
in
very
interesting
times
in
terms
of
developing
renewable
energy.
The
city
has
its
own
goal.
You
have
an
overarching
you
100
renewable
goal
by
2042,
which
means
we
need
to
get
to
work
if
we're
going
to
achieve
that
goal.
Z
Z
So
this
act
has
two
components
that
affect
Mountain
housing
opportunities
in
option
opportunities,
opportunities,
okay
in
in
significant
ways
one
is-
and
this
this
is
particularly
important
in
North
Carolina
North
Carolina
law
does
not
allow
a
non-profit
or
tax
exempt
entity
to
contract
with
a
third
party
to
own
the
array
of
a
renewable
energy
system,
so
that
they
would
be
able
to
leverage
the
tax
credits
and
bring
that
benefit
to
the
host,
not
not
allowed
in
a
significant
portion
of
North
Carolina.
Z
Z
So
now
it's
30
percent
until
2032
I
believe,
but
it's
also
provided
an
opportunity
for
direct
pay
to
tax-exempt
organizations,
including
the
city
of
Asheville,
which
would
mean
that
you
would
be
able
to
build
a
solar
array
qualify
for
the
tax
credit
so
to
speak
and
receive
a
direct
payment
from
treasury
equivalent
to
that
tax
credit
amount.
M
Z
And
not
only
that,
but
they,
but
the
inflation
reduction
act
also
create
creates
adders
where
they,
you
can
add
10
to
that
30.
If
you
use
domestic
content
in
the
Renewable
Energy
System,
you
can
add
another
10
if
you're
in,
what's
known
as
an
energy
community-
and
we
see
Nashville-
has
four
census
tracts
that
are
actually
in
energy
communities,
because
a
coal
plant
was
retired.
So
now
we're
at
50.
Z
If,
if
you
then
qualify
under
the
affordable
housing
components
and
there's
two,
you
could
add
another
ten,
so
you
could
be
at
60
or
70
percent
tax
credit,
which
means
a
well-placed
system
that
followed
all
those
rules
could
get
70
of
the
value
rebated
back
directly
to
them.
That
makes
these
kind
of,
but
but
we
the
problem,
is
we
don't
know
what
the
rules
are?
Treasury
is
struggling
to
get
that
information
out.
Z
So
what
I
would
the
way
I
would
answer
that
is
given
mhos
past
performance
in
adding
renewable
energy
to
their
assist
to
their
facilities.
They
will
be
taking
advantage
of
this
and
I've
offered
to
be
a
part
of
that
with
them
and
will
and
I
have
been
discussing
about
how
to
bring
this
question
up
forward
in
our
review
process,
particularly
in
light
of
these
Provisions,
because
it's
a
different
world
out
there
with
this,
and
it
really
means
a
lot
to
North
Carolina,
where
tax
exempt
entities
can't
do
power,
purchase
agreements
with
third-party
providers.
Thank.
M
You
for
taking
the
time
to
dig
into
the
details
for
my
benefit,
but
also
for
the
public.
I
have
a
second
thing
that
came
up,
and
this
isn't
the
first
project
that
I've
seen
this,
but
not
having
bike
lanes
and
we're
so
close
to
Transit
seems
like
we're
missing
an
opportunity
for
future
Clean,
safe
and
healthy
communities,
which
is
a
priority
of
this
Council.
M
We
have
the
second
highest
bike:
pedestrian
accident
ratio
in
the
state.
We
know
there's
going
to
be
youth
living
in
this
facility,
some
may
or
may
not
have
access
to
a
car.
We
also
know
that
ncdot
has
a
complete
streets
policy,
so
does
the
city.
We
also
know
that
we
have
the
Asheville
emotion
plan
and
Tunnel
Road
plans.
M
M
Yes,
I'm
talking
about
prioritizing
the
safety
of
the
people
coming
and
going
not
just
in
a
car,
and
it
does
keep
coming
up
in
a
lot
of
housing
developments
that
it's
like
and
there
will
be
no
bike
lanes
and
it's
like.
Oh,
that
sounds
terrible
for
all
the
people
that
aren't
accessing
with
a
car
which
also
impacts
parking
and
the
more
you
have
to
build
parking,
the
less
it's
affordable,
housing.
I
I
A
M
A
show
I
hear
what
the
ask
was
for
a
share.
It
was
a
condition
that's
at
the
entrance,
and
then
it
stops
being
safe
for
the
person
who
lives
there
and
is
on
a
bike.
I
just
know
that
it's
coming
up
in
a
lot
of
our
Housing
Development,
especially
affordable
housing,
and
we
just
I
think
we
need
to
keep
an
eye
on
it.
It
doesn't
reflect
I
think
our
long-term.
A
A
M
M
Think
we're
gonna
have
to
look
at
in
addition
to
electric
vehicle
charging
that
doesn't
impede
the
Ada
accessibility
of
the
small
sidewalks
that
were
allowing
this
development
to
have
we're
also
going
to
have
to
have
a
plan
for
everyone
to
get
to
the
front
door
safely,
who
lives
in
this
building
and
future
buildings.
And
so
when
we're,
we
have
like
an
organizational
problem.
I'm.
A
Not
disagreeing
with
you
I'm
just
curious
what
the
recommendation
would
be
I'm
very
supportive
of
you
know,
I,
you
know,
I
know
it's
somewhat
controversial
in
our
community,
but
a
very
supportive
retrofitting,
all
of
our
existing
car
ways
to
be
able
to
accommodate
bikes
and
multi-molded
transportation.
I'm
just
genuinely
curious
in
a
site
plan
like
this,
where
you're
directly
off
of
a
road.
A
What
the
internal
piece
of
it
could
look
like
that
would
make
make
make
sense,
because
it's
you're,
an
you're
in
a
parking
lot,
so
I
mean
obviously
you've
got
pedestrian
ways
there
that
are
created
to
cross
the
parking
lot
which
we
require
so
I.
M
I
B
Z
Here
and
to
actually
discuss
this
with
you
internally
to
the
site.
That
is
not
something
we
spend
a
lot
of
time
thinking
about
unless
it
would
be
a
long
internal
road,
because
we
would
imagine
that
most
people
would
walk
their
bikes
along
this,
the
area
to
get
to
restaurant
Court,
which
becomes
the
different
Challenge
and
there's
two
issues
there:
one
it's
a
relatively
narrow
road
with
a
short
run
down
to
tunnel,
and
it's
private.
We
don't.
Z
This
is
not
a
city
street,
and
so
the
the
limit
of
our
Authority
on
asking
for
things
to
be
done
is
substantially
curtail
are
using.
Notwithstanding
that
we
do
explore
every
opportunity
for
bypass
and
multimodal
I
like
to
ride
my
bike.
I
ride
a
lot,
I
love
it,
but
the
the
the
site,
specific
I'm,
going
to
go
back
a
couple
of
slides,
don't
get
dizzy,
the
the
proximity
of
the
of
the
public
transportation
and
at
least
when
I
looked
at
Art's
website.
Every
single
bus
has
bike
racks.
J
M
Hear
you
and
I
have
used
my
bike
on
Tunnel
Road,
so
maybe
we
can
put
a
bookmark
on
this,
because
I
know
that
we
have
future
plans
for
tunnel
rev
and
I.
Think
that
developing
plans
for
the
past
or
the
current
instead
of
developing
plans
for
the
future
is
short-sighted
and
I.
Don't
think
that's
the
goal
for
this
I
want
to
support
this
project.
It's
just
the
third
one
that
I
can
remember.
That
has
said,
and
this
development
has
no
bike
Lanes
being
on
the
list
and
it's
just
something
I
think
systemically.
A
A
Y
K
Y
To
what
we
could
mandate
and
it's
going
to
be
somewhat
side
specific
at
a
certain
point
you
get
into
what's
called
unconstitutional
exactions
where
you've
essentially
gone
beyond
a
request
that
really
deals
with
the
impact
of
the
particular
project.
There
is
an
allowance
for
updating
our
code
to
require,
just
as
we
require
setbacks
and
tree
saves
some
of
these
other
Provisions.
I
A
Q
A
motion
to
approve
the
conditional
zoning
request
for
the
property
located
at
16
and
18
restaurant
Court
from
Office
business
to
residential
expansion
conditional
Zone
and
find
that
the
request
is
reasonable
is
in
the
public
interest
is
is
consistent
with
the
city's
comprehensive
plan.
It
meets
the
development
needs
of
the
community.
In
that
the
request
is
one
provides
infill
development
and
targeted
growth
areas,
two
increases
the
supply
of
affordable
housing
in
proximity
to
schools,
Transit
and
parks,
and
three
promotes
the
development
and
the
availability
of
affordable
and
Workforce
housing.
A
Second,
all
right:
we
have
a
motion
a
second
we
don't
I
will
open
the
public
hearing
I
I,
but
we
don't
even
want
to
sign
up
to
speak
so
I'm,
going
to
close
the
public
hearing.
Normally
I
do
the
motion
after
that.
But
since
there
wasn't
anyone
signed
up
to
speak,
we
went
ahead.
A
No,
no
films
that
was
totally
fine,
I
I
just
want
to
say
you
know
this
I'm
glad
Mountain
housing
is
once
again
stepping
up
with
a
fantastic
project,
and
you
know
it's
a
interesting
component
of
this
to
20,
set
aside
for
folks
coming
out
of
the
foster
care
system
which
we've
learned
and
our
country
is
fairly
devastating
for
a
lot
of
people
who
reach
at
the
age
of
adulthood
and
during
the
point
in
time
count
this
year
that
a
lot
of
us
participated
in
I.
A
I
did
have
a
chance
to
speak
to
one
individual
who
who
was
experiencing
homelessness
in
Asheville
and
had
come
out
of
the
foster
care
system
and
bounced
around.
Without
you
know
any
foundation,
so
I
I
see
this
need
and
I
know
it's
complicated
and
there's
lots
of
pieces
to
it.
But
if
we
can
work
on
the
housing
piece,
that's
one
piece
of
the
puzzle,
so
I'm
glad
we're
doing
this
project.
Thank
you
for
bringing
it
Forward
I.
I
S
Thank
you
mayor
vice
mayor
and
council
members,
I'm
Jeffrey,
Barton,
director
of
real
estate,
development
and
Mountain
housing
opportunities
timeline
for
this
is
that
we
will
be
submitting
this
to
North
Carolina
Housing
Finance
Agency
for
a
nine
percent
tax
credit
award,
that
application
will
go
in
May
13th,
and
then
we
expect
to
hear
if
it's
awarded
it's
a
competitive
application
process
and
we'll
be
hearing
in
september-ish
whether
we'll
receive
an
award.
If
it
does
then
about
this
time
next
year,
we
could
okay.
I
I
J
A
Opposed
all
right,
thank
you.
Okay!
Next,
now
will
will
you
didn't,
distribute
these
right.
You
get
the
next
three
all
right.
The
public
hearing
to
consider
resuming
properties
at
35,
Long,
Shoals
Road
from
RSD
residential
single-family,
low
density,
District
to
Highway
business
district
will
pompous,
will
present
this
item.
AA
AA
AA
The
request
is
to
rezone
the
three
properties
from
residential
single
family,
low
density,
rs2
to
Highway
business,
HP,
District
properties,
total
about
five
and
one
quarter.
Acres
the
existing
future
land
use,
as
shown
in
the
living
Asheville
comprehensive
plan,
is
urban
Corridor.
No
change
in
that
designation
would
be
required
for
this
rezoning
so
just
to
slide
the
show.
Since
this
is
a
straight
rezoning,
there
are
no
development
plans
or
other
conditions
submitted
with
this
application,
so
just
give
a
sense
of
the
types
of
land
uses
that
are
allowed
in
the
HB
Highway
business
zoning
District.
AA
The
project
or
the
requestry
Zone,
was
approved
at
the
April
5th
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
meeting
about
four
to
one.
The
main
concern
expressed
by
the
one
dissenting
commissioner
was
regarding
just
that
array
of
permitted
uses
in
the
highway
business
districts,
including
the
drive-through
facilities,
which
they
felt
was
not
the
right
character
for
this
corridor.
AA
So
some
of
the
pros
and
cons
of
this
rezoning,
as
identified
in
the
staff
report
being
that
one
of
the
pros
is
that
there
would
be
greater
development
potential
along
this
thoroughfare.
That
is
seeing
a
lot
of
growth
in
Redevelopment,
also
the
opportunity
to
create
more
of
a
uniform
character
between
these
two
kind
of
sections
of
Long
Shoals
Road
one
con
is
that
there
is
the
potential
for
conflict
with
adjacent
single-family
dwellings,
which
is
somewhat
mitigated
by
the
orientation
and
citing
of
those
structures
and
the
required
vegetated
buffers
between
the
zoning
districts.
AA
That
I'll
mention
again
on
this
slide.
Sorry
for
all
the
texts
on
this,
but
just
to
kind
of
outline.
Some
of
the
compatibility
analysis
that
staff
did
in
regards
to
this
rezoning
request
finding
that
the
highway
business
district
rezoning
is
compatible
with
the
highway
business
zone,
property
to
the
east
along
longstools
road,
which
consists
of
a
variety
of
retail
and
service
uses.
AA
It
would
be
consistent
with
the
industrial
zoning
directly
to
the
south
of
the
properties
consistent
with
the
residential
multi-families
to
the
north
and
consistent
with
the
commercial
business
CB2
and
residential
expansion,
CZ
properties
located
further
west
on
Long
Shells
Road
staff
identifies
that
the
rezoning
would
be
slightly
incompatible
with
those
adjacent
single-family
dwellings
that
are
zoned.
A
combination
of
rs2
and
RS8
they're
located
to
the
East
and
the
southeast
of
these
properties.
AA
That
conflict
is
somewhat
mitigated.
The
the
structures
are
not
are
cited
in
a
way
that
is
not
directly
next
to
or
budding
these
subject
properties
and
also
all
property.
Zone
Highway
business
are
required
to
provide
a
30-foot
wide
vegetated
buffer
when
they're
adjacent
to
residentially
zoned
land.
So
if
and
when
this
these
properties
were
were
to
be
developed,
that
buffer
would
be
required
at
the
time
of
their
application
to
satisfy
the
required
zoning.
AA
A
J
J
AB
AB
And
Council
my
name
is
Bob
oast
I'm
with
the
local
law
firm
of
Maguire
wooden
visit
I'm
here
representing
the
applicant.
For
this
reason-
and
the
applicant
is
here:
Dr
Bill
Chambers
there
at
the
back
seated
to
his
right
is
Clay
Mooney,
local
landscape,
architect
and
Dr
Chambers
left
is
Bill
Bergen
a
local
realtor
into
and
and
to
his
left
is
Renee.
Frazier
do
I
have
that
right?
Okay,
make.
AB
Name
right
and
they
don't
plan
to
participate
this
person
in
this
presentation,
but
they
may
be
able
to
answer
some
questions
that
I
can't
answer.
If
you
all
have
them
I'd
like
to
say
thanks
to
to
will
Palmquist
for
his
thorough
presentation,
I'll
try
not
to
repeat
too
much
of
it.
AB
The
first
thing
I
want
to
point
out,
though,
is
is
that
back
on
March
28th
Dr
Chambers
held
a
scheduled
a
neighborhood
meeting
and
invited
all
the
adjacent
residents.
You
use
it
residents
of
property
owners
using
the
same
notification
list.
The
city
had
had
generated
Rich
notification
process,
no
one
came
and,
and
since
then
and
Mr
Mooney
invited
them
on
the
invitation
to
give
him
a
call.
If
anybody
had
any
questions,
we've
received
no
calls
and
that
that
it's
a
meeting
that
is
not
required
for
these.
AB
For
these
kinds
of
rezonings,
as
Mr
Punk
was
pointed
out,.
AB
Okay,
sorry,
there
we
go
all
right,
as
Bishop
Paul
has
pointed
out,
we're
seeking
the
rezoning
of
these.
These
three
Parcels
that
are
currently
zoned
rs2,
which
is
Asheville's
lowest
intensity,
zoning
classification.
It's
it's!
It's
about!
It's
5.24,
Acres!
It's
right
on
the
shore
of
Lake
Julian
and
it's
it's
on
the
border
with
the
county.
The
property
is
almost
Square
in
shape.
It's
about
520
feet
by
520
feet.
AB
It's
a
the
the
the
the
only
access
to
this
property
is
off
of
Long
Shoals
Road.
There
used
to
be
a
street
that
ran
up
there
or
at
least
a
paper
street
that
ran
up
the
the
east
side
of
that
property,
but
that
was
closed
back
in
2019.
AB
This
is
the
this.
Is
your
future,
your
future
land
use
plan
on
on
my
version.
It's
got.
This
got
the
property
circled,
but
it's
I
can't
really
point
it
out
to
you,
but
it's
you
can
see
it's
right
there
where,
where
we're
Lake
Julian
sort
of
projects
up
into
the
right
up
next
to
Long,
Shoals
Road,
here's,
the
here's,
the
current
zoning.
AB
You
can
see
that
that
to
the
east
there
is
a
Highway
business
and
that
extends
all
the
way
to
to
energyville
road
on
the
on
on
the
west
is
in
on
the
west
and
south.
It's
really
is
is
probably
it's
in
the
county
and
and
and
so
it
doesn't
have
the
the
city
of
Asheville
zoning
classification
that
you're
all
used
to
seeing,
but
I
can
tell
you
that
this,
the
the
zoning
of
that
area
is
industrial
or
or
or
P,
has
public
service
or
EMP,
which
is
employment.
AB
Those
are
those
are
the
most
intensive
selling
classifications
of
the
county.
Some
of
that's
to
accommodate
the
linamar
facility,
which
is
the
interest
to
which
is
on
the
east
side
of
this
property.
I'm.
Sorry,
the
west
side
of
this
property.
AB
These
are
some
photographs
of
the
of
the
adjacent
area
this
slide
and
the
ones
I'm
about
to
show
you
are
some
or
or
show
the
the
the
the
use
that
are
in
the
area.
This
is
the
residential
area,
that's
to
the
south
and
east
of
it,
and
despite
what
may
appear
on
on
the
GIS
maps,
there
is
no
direct
access
to
to
this
area
from
from
Long
Shoals
Road.
AB
All
the
access
into
this
area
is
from
Hendersonville,
Road
and
and
I
think
that's
important,
because
this
is
a
residential
area
and
and
there
would
be
no
opportunity
for
it
for
some
some
for
a
backdoor
access
to
this
property
through
the
residential
area.
Your
code
prohibits
that.
AB
And
Mr
Punk
has
pointed
out
the
way
these
houses
are
built,
they're
sort
of
oriented,
so
they
face
away
from
they
face
away
from
the
the
subject,
probably
where
it
could
be
developed.
AB
These
are
views
looking
East
on
East,
along
Shoals
Road
towards
Hendersonville
Road,
and
you
can
see
that
the
slide
on
the
on
the
right
is:
is
the
entry
to
the
linimar
facility,
the
property
that
we're
talking
about
begins
just
on
the
other
side
of
this?
AB
These
are
some
other
slides,
showing
development
along
Long,
Shoals
Road,
the
the
the
this
is
on
the
other
side
of
Long
Shoals.
There
is
some
construction
in
the
area
again.
AB
This
is
still
on
the
other
side
of
Long
Shoals
Road,
but
in
the
same
area
in
the
same
general
area,
this
is
a
shopping
center
down
to
the
West
a
little
bit,
and
one
of
the
reasons
I
wanted
to
show
you
all
these
slides
is
that
you
can
see
in
every
one
of
these
slides,
Long
Shoals
Road
is
a
there's,
a
five
Lane
Road.
AB
It
is
no
longer
a
Country
Lane
as
it
was
when
I
was
a
kid
and,
and
it's
designated
in
the
in
the
in
in
the
Dot's
hierarchy
of
the
hierarchy
of
road
is
a
minor
arterial
which
I
think
means
it's
just
below
interstates
in
the
in
the
amount
of
traffic
that's
expected
to
carry
it's
there's.
K
AB
It's
a
pretty
busy
road
and
it's
not
it's
not
going
back
the
other
way
anytime,
soon
and
and
that
I
I,
think
that
explains
its
designation
of
the
comprehensive
plan
as
an
or
as
an
urban
Corridor
and
I've
highlighted
some
of
the
language
here,
which
says
that
Urban
quarter
is
a
Workhorse
Street
for
transportation
and
Commercial
activity
in
Asheville,
making
up
the
major
routes
throughout
the
city
among
the
among
the
it
says
further
down
here
that
Urban
quarters
are
strong
candidates
for
Transit
supportive
zoning,
which
is
what
we're
asking
for
and
Highway
business
is
one
of
those
one
of
the
appropriate
classifications.
AB
We
think
it's
the
most
appropriate
classification,
here's
the
purpose
statement
for
the
highway
business
district
out
of
your
code.
It's
it's!
It's
established
to
address
the
needs
of
commercial
development
along
major,
thorough
Affairs,
which
this
is
which
with
long
sold
vote,
is
and
and
it
it
allows
for
development
which
enhances
the
function
of
the
thoroughfare
and
sends
it
to
the
appearance
of
the
corridor.
AB
One
of
the
one
of
the
points
I
meant
to
make
when
I
was
showing
you
the
slides
of
the
development
that
already
exists
along
Long
Shoals
Road
is
that
I
think
that
it
reflects
the
effect
of
the
city,
zoning
ordinance,
it's
a
lot.
A
lot
of
this
area
was
developed
after
the
city
annexed
the
areas
and
and
and
it's
and
it's
a
pretty
good
quality
I
think
that's
a
reflectiveness
of
the
of
the
application
of
the
city's
codes
for
setbacks.
Sidewalks
Landscaping
tree
preservation
that
kind
of
thing.
AB
By
contrast,
there
are
parts
of
Hendersonville
Road
that
are
not
that
are,
are
more
sporadically,
developed
and
and
and
and
the
the
buildings
are
close
to
the
street.
There's
there's
a
lot
more
driveways.
That
kind
of
thing
so
I
think
that
what
you
see
along
Long,
Shoals
Road,
does
reflect
the
the
the
the
the
good
it's.
What
I
call
good
development
in
it
reflects
the
it
reflects
the
application
of
the
city's
codes.
AB
AB
There
are
a
lot
of
constraints
and
how
this
property
can
be
can
be
developed.
Even
if
it's
Zone
to
an
HP
classification
one
is
that
there's
a
setback
of
35
feet.
Which
is
less
for
every
other
zoning
classification,
which
is
appropriate
for
this
designation
other
than
commercial
industrial,
which
is
also
35
feet.
The
frontage
is
at
the
frontage.
The
required
Frontage
along
along
the
road
is,
is
100
feet
and
and
it
for
any.
K
AB
Zoning
classification
that
required
funding
is
lower.
Sidewalks
are
required
because
this
is
a
a
DOT
maintained.
Road
the
driveway
permits
are
issued
by
Dot
and
I
think
that
they
only
allow
a
I'm
sure
there
are
exceptions
to
this.
There
aren't
everything,
but
they
only
allow
one
driveway
per
500
feet,
which
means
that
you
could
get
like
a
driveway
and
a
half
on
this
property
and
it'd.
AB
AB
One
right
turn,
so
one
right
turnout,
kind
of
thing.
The
other
thing
I
want
to
point
out
is-
is
that
this
any
development
of
this
property
is
is
is
is,
is
likely
to
or
or
certainly
could,
approach,
100
000
square
feet,
which
means
it's
going
to
be
subject
to
conditional
zoning.
It's
level
three,
a
level
three
review,
and-
and
so
that
would
be
your
opportunity,
if
you
wanted
to
to
you,
know,
to
impose
the
kinds
of
other
site
conditions
that
you
can
do
through
conditional
sending.
AB
J
AB
Technical
review
committee
meetings
where
these
topics
come
up
and
changes
are
made
to
the
site
plan
and
it
did
and
and
everybody
knows
it
makes
economic
sense.
It's
important.
No.
I
AB
Add
there
too,
yes,
that's
a
good
point:
the
the
the
highway
business
study
classification
allows
for
a
higher
density
of
multi-family
development,
and,
and
so
so
that
that,
but
that
threshold
is
also
applicable
here
if
multi-family
is,
is.
I
AB
We
don't
we
don't
have
any
specific
plan
for
this
property.
I've
heard
that
or
the
the
Builder
doesn't
have
any
specific
plans
for
this
property.
I've
heard
multi-family
mention
of
her
medical
offices
mentioned,
and,
and
so
it's
it's,
but
you
know
it
sounds
big
enough
that
you
could
do
some
of
both,
maybe
but
the.
A
Mac
is
going
to
give
me
the
hook.
That's
your
timer.
AB
Almost
at
the
end,
this
is
an
illustration
prepared
about
Mr
Mooney
that
shows
the
the
the
the
30-foot
type
D
buffer
adjacent
to
the
Residential
Properties
your
staff's
recommended
approval.
The
planning
is,
any
commission
recommended
approval.
This
property
is
similar
to
zoning
and
development.
Already
in
the
area.
Long
should
I
have
already
covered.
It's
consistent
with
your
comprehensive
plan,
so
I
think
I'll
be
glad
to
answer
any
questions,
but
what?
But
we
would
ask
you
to
to
trust
your
plan,
trust
your
ordinances,
trust
your
staff
and
trust.
AB
I
I
I
I
I
will
understand,
I'll
make
a
motion
to
approve
the
conditional
zoning
request
for
the
properties
located
at
35,
Long
Shoals
Road
from
residential
single-family,
low
density
rs2
to
Highway
business
HB
and
find
that
the
request
is
reasonable
is
in
the
public.
Interest
is
consistent
with
the
city's
comprehensive
plan
and
meets
the
development
needs
of
the
community
and
that
the
request
one
prioritizes
growth
and
development
within
designated
growth
areas.
I
Two
establishes
accessible
and
well-connected
Commercial
nodes
consistent
with
strategies
outlined
in
the
plans,
growth
areas
and
three
promotes
development
in
the
growth
areas
identified
in
the
living
Asheville
plan
as
a
way
of
ensuring
new
development,
maximizes
fiscal
returns
to
the
city.
Second,
that
was
really.
A
Okay,
all
those
in
favor,
please
say
aye.
J
A
I
was
going
to
say
we
could
raise
our
hands,
but
Maggie's
got
it
all
right.
Thank
you
very
much.
That
concludes
this
matter.
Next,
we
have
a
public
hearing
to
consider
an
amendment
to
a
conditional
zoning
ordinance
for
properties
located
at
3124-3130.
K
AA
Urban
Design
I
will
be
presenting
this
conditional
zoning
Amendment
request
for
the
project
known
as
Fairhaven
Summit
Apartments.
The
property
is
located
at
3124
Sweden
Creek
Road
in
South
Asheville,
just
a
little
bit
south
of
Mills
Gap
Road.
You
can
see
that
it's
currently
a
wooded
lot,
that's
vacant
with
one
kind
of
single
family
house
located
in
this
kind
of
a
crutch
of
the
site
here
between
two
existing
multi-family
housing
projects.
AA
AA
So
this
slide
shows
the
overall
Master
site
plan
just
to
kind
of
illustrate
how
the
development
is
clustered
in
the
front
half
of
the
site.
It's
a
it's
a
relatively
steeply
sloped
site.
It's
also
in
a
steep
slope
area,
which
is
due
mainly
to
the
elevation
of
the
property.
There
are
a
couple
different
kind
of
steep
slope
zones
that
the
project
is
working
within,
but
they
are
clustering,
their
project
towards
Sweden,
Creek,
Road
and
leaving
the
basically
rear
half
of
the
site
undisturbed.
AA
So
now
a
little
more
detail
about
what's
being
proposed
and
what
are
some
of
the
changes
from
the
last
application
that
you
all
approved,
Last,
Summer
overall,
the
programming
and
what
they're
proposing
is
not
changing.
It's
still
going
to
be
three
multi-family
buildings
with
77,
affordable
housing
units
access
off
Sweden,
Creek
Road
has
not
changed.
135
parking
spaces,
total
sidewalks
of
six
feet
in
width
and
a
19
foot
wide
planting
strip
on
Sweden,
Creek,
Road
six
feet,
six
foot
wide
sidewalks
internally.
AA
Essentially
what
the
changes
include
one
is
relatively
minor,
which
is
that,
instead
of
doing
the
two
Northern
buildings
on
the
site
that
are
proposed
to
be
200
and
300,
women
Boulevard
it's
their
new
address
as
a
kind
of
a
combination,
two
and
four
story
building,
mostly
due
to
cost.
The
applicant
is
not
proposing
just
three
stories
for
basic
design
overall.
What
this
does,
though,
to
the
overall
site
is
that
significantly
more
grading
is
required
to
get
that
base
of
the
building
up
in
order
to
do
that.
AA
Three
stories,
instead
of
four
in
some
of
those
locations
and
what's
happening,
is
that,
instead
of
a
retaining
wall
along
the
front
of
the
site
and
along
the
side
of
the
site,
that
Max
is
at
about
20
feet
in
height,
the
applicant
is
never
posing
a
retaining
wall.
That
Max
is
at
around
38
feet
in
height,
so
it
would
run
essentially
starting
below
the
clubhouse
building.
AA
AA
So
those
are
really
the
main.
The
main
changes
that
are
driving
this
conditional
zoning
Amendment
for
the
project,
just
to
illustrate
the
grading
plan.
To
give
you
a
sense
of
of
the
proposed
grading,
which
is
relatively
significant,
they're
building
you're
the
building
elevations.
This
is
the
building
on
the
south
portion
of
the
site,
which
is
proposed
not
to
be
modified.
AA
There
are
a
number
of
technical
modifications,
one
of
which
is
that
the
sidewalks
are
proposed
to
be
six
feet
in
width
instead
of
the
required
10
foot
wide
standard.
As
noted
in
the
previous
project,
there
are
no
bike
Lanes
into
the
development
and
I
might
just
clarify
some
of
that.
AA
That
is
due
to
the
fact
that
the
residential
expansion
District
states
that
bike
Lanes
should
be
provided
into
the
development,
and
maybe
this
is
a
newer
interpretation,
but
staff
and
legal
has
taken
that
to
mean
that
that's
a
requirement
and
that's
something
that
we'd
have
to
modify
through
the
the
Udo
amendment
process
and
it
could
be
part
of
a
larger
examination
of
the
expansion
District's
use
for
conditional
zonings.
But
it
is,
it
is
technically
requirements.
That's
why
we
have
it
in
these
in
these
modifications,
so.
AA
It's
a
little
bit
context,
dependent,
I,
think
personally,
not
being
a
transportation,
expert
or
planner
necessarily
having
a
blanket
requirement
for
bike
lanes
and
every
multi-family
development
might
be
too
too
blunt
of
a
tool
to
try
to
achieve
that
goal.
I
mean
there
are.
There
are
no
bike
Lanes
on
swing,
Creek
Road,
so
you
thinking
about
the
overall
system,
I
think
is
important.
So
this
was
a
project
that
had
a
lot
of
bike.
Infrastructure
in
the
area
might
be
a
different
conversation
but
kind
of
a
long.
AA
A
long
sloping
driveway
with
the
bike
lane
on
it,
encouraging
a
bicyclist
to
travel
unimpeded
down
that
entrance
driveway
only
to
get
the
Sweeten
Creek
Road
you
know
is,
is
not
what
we're
we're
wanting
to
do.
Obviously,
so
I
think
there's
a
better
approach
to
handling
it.
I,
don't
know
what
it
is.
I
know:
it's
I
know
it's
working
with
Transportation
staff
and
transportation
planners
to
think
of
a
better
overall
policy
that
fits
within
the
city's
overall,
multimodal
Transportation
goals.
AA
M
AA
J
M
Future
plans
for
sweet
and
Crete
number
two:
we
do
have
future
plans
in
the
actual
emotion
plan
and
our
Gap
plan
and
our
larger
documents
like
living,
Asheville,
comprehensive
plan
and
our
complete
streets
policy.
So
I
really
look
forward
to
the
opportunity
to
have
a
deeper
conversation
about
this
and
where
that
doesn't
keep
happening,
especially
when
we
have
existing
requirements
and
continue.
A
A
But
but
you
know
we
have
some
things
that
go
through
multimodal
every
time
right,
so
so
I'm
not
suggesting
that
all
these
products
go
to
multimodal.
But
that
might
be
a
way
to
if
we're
going
to
make
it
this
discretionary
thing
where
we're
trying
to
figure
it
out
and
if
you're
kind
of
saying
look,
I
can't
really
analyze
this
through
a
lens
as
a
transportation,
planner
or
multimodal
Transportation
planner.
But.
R
A
M
Q
R
Interesting
is
listen,
I'm,
not
opposed,
don't
get
me
wrong.
Yeah
and
I
understand
that's
future
development,
and
that
is
particular
that's
way
down
a
long
way
from
this
particular
development
and
and
I,
and
the
thing
is
if
these
bike
lanes
were
I,
think
that
they're
pretty
simple
to
install
once
you
get
it
on
the
road.
You
just
paint
the
Lanes
on
the
street
if
it
can't
accommodate
it.
So
it's
not
like
they
have
to
do
any
kind
of
infrastructure
changes
now
to
accommodate.
A
They
review
a
project
already
looks
a
lot
of
our
planning
documents
to
make
sure,
for
example,
the
living
Asheville
plan.
They
go
and
look
at
that
and
make
sure
this
is
simpatico.
I
guess
I'm
just
curious,
why
we
wouldn't
at
least
look
at
a
project
like
this
and
see
where
it
falls
on
our
our
multimodal
master
plan
or
our
Greenways.
My.
A
G
J
G
A
AA
AA
I
think
focusing
the
review
of
you
know
these
Pros
proposed
facilities
around
those
multimodal.
You
know:
Gap
plans
working
with
Transportation
staff
more
directly
on
some
of
those
ideas
would
be
an
effective
way
to
you
know
better
evaluate
these
ideas,
so
certainly
can
do
that
going
forward.
A
You
want
to
changing
operation,
but
but
I
mean
I.
I
Have
a
suggestion
of
where
it
might
fall
in
in
the
next
near
future
because
missing
middle
study
right?
So
what
we're
talking
about
here
is
multi-family.
We
might
be
doing
duplexes
and
quadplexes
and
missing
middle,
but
we're
talking
about
the
gap
between
four
units
and
300
is
really
what
we're
seeing
like
when
we
look
at
our
what
we're
building
we're
building
like
a
single
family
house
a
day
365
a
year,
a
couple
duplexes
and
some
large
apartment
complexes,
but
the
missing
middle
is
what
we're
talking
about.
I
Is
a
perfect
Avenue
to
maybe
look
at
this
and
how
it
applies
and
maybe
get
feedback
from
multimodal,
then
because
it
is
a
chicken
in
the
egg
situation
when
it
comes
to
planning.
If
you
we
see
this
with
sidewalks
a
lot
like
with
the
10-foot
sidewalk
rule,
you
will
run
into
places
in
the
city
where
you're
walking
down
a
five
foot,
wide
sidewalk
and
suddenly
for
a
block.
It's
10
feet.
I
But
if
you
don't
do
the
10
feet
at
that
time,
the
likelihood
that
you'll
get
10
feet
ever
diminishes,
so
I
get
it,
but
there's
also
some
impediments
like
these
steep
slopes.
You
know
we
don't
let
them
build
on
these
steep
slopes.
I,
don't
know
that
we
want
them
riding
bikes
on
these
sleep
slips.
Oh
I,
don't
think.
J
M
AD
Y
Y
AB
J
A
Up
again,
we
could
have
like
a
red
line,
exhibit
a
whatever
the
condition
document
so
that
we
know
what
it
is.
We're
actually
being
asked
to
change,
because
this
just
we.
I
Was
and
the
retaining
wall
I
remember:
we've.
Q
Too,
but
a
couple
of
clarity
is
the
wall.
I
think
we
do
need
a
solve,
though,
because
I
I,
don't
I,
am
a
cyclist
I
bike
as
my
main
mode
of
transportation
and
I.
Don't
think
every
project
always
needs
a
bike
lane,
like
the
previous
project.
A
bike
lane
through
a
parking
lot
doesn't
make
as
much
sense
to
me,
but
in
a
development
that's
building
their
own
internal
roads.
Q
That
goes
to
two
bus
lines,
that
is,
for
people
in
affordable
housing
like
there's
some
things,
stacking
up,
that
I
think
our
community
might
have
evolved
past
having
some
like
discretionary
negotiations
at
a
staff
level.
I
think
that
we
need
something
more
rigorous
to
guide
us
in
this.
I
Y
A
AA
So
changes
mostly
changes
the
site
plan,
no
changes
to
the
modifications
really.
AA
That
retaining
wall
on
the
front,
which
is
it's
not
a
technical
modification
retaining
walls,
can
be
quite
tall
as
as
loud
in
the
Udo.
But
since
the
site
plan
is
a
is
part
of
that.
Previous
approval
and
change
was
significant
to
what
staff
could
review
so.
I
AA
Yes,
so,
as
you
heard,
Clay
is
quite
versed
in
that
field
and
he
met
with
applicants
several
weeks
ago
to
talk
about
some
of
their
options
and
encouraging
them
to
explore
them
in
more
detail.
AA
At
this
point,
they
are
evaluating
their
options,
but
they
have
concluded
that
the
roof
structure
could
support
solar
panels
and
that
the
conduit
electrical
conduit
is
being
designed
in
a
way
that
would
support
that
kind
of
load
in
the
future
and
once
they
finish
their
site
work
and
understand
more
of
their
budget
for
the
building
phase
of
the
project.
They'll
make
a
determination
as
to
the
solar
panel
installation.
At
that
point,
thank.
AA
AA
The
amendment
was
approved
with
conditions
at
the
March
20th
technical
Review
Committee,
and
it
was
approved
at
the
April
5th
planning
zoning
commission
hearing
at
about
the
three
to
two
with
the
following
conditions:
related
to
the
transportation
Transportation
Network,
that
the
applicant
will
conduct
a
traffic
study
and
Implement
any
required
improvements
identified
in
that
study
and
that
the
applicant
work
with
city
transportation
staff
and
the
ncdot
to
study
the
feasibility
of
installing
crosswalks
at
the
intersection
of
Sweden
Creek
and
Mills
Gap
Road.
AA
AA
Overall,
the
project
is
consistent
with
living
Asheville's,
comprehensive
plan
and
the
future
land
use
of
residential
neighborhood
by
providing
residential
uses
and
a
diversity
and
housing
type
project.
Supports
number
of
goals
in
the
plan
to
prioritize
greater
densities
and
of
development
overall
increase
the
supply
of
affordable
housing
and
utilize
Creative
Design
solutions
that
minimize
impacts,
the
natural
environment,
such
as
natural,
open
space
and
steep
topography,
and
that's
really
kind
of
centered
around
the
fact
that
they
are
clustering.
AA
Their
development
closer
to
the
street
and
leaving
the
the
rear
half
of
this
project
site
undisturbed
staff
concurs
with
the
planning
zoning
commission
and
recommends
approval
of
the
proposed
conditional
zoning,
Amendment
and
I've
got
to
answer
any
more
questions.
I
think
we
also
have
a
representative
from
the
African
team
with
us
this
evening
as
well.
AA
I
Again,
this
is
why
I
pointed
this
out,
so
we
are
talking
about
a
change
to
the
retaining
Hall
retaining
walls
height
only
because
we
previously
approved
this
when
they
had
submitted
it
with
a
20-foot
height.
Had
this
been
their
first
application,
we
can
they're
allowed
to
have
38
feet.
It's
not
a
it's,
not
disallowed.
AA
A
AA
Yeah
napkin
will
be
required
to
provide
the
Landscaping
screening
requirements,
but
yeah
there's
not
really
room
in
the
front
to
do.
I
A
The
topography,
okay,
anybody
have
any
more
questions
for
will.
I.
J
A
L
Good
evening,
once
again,
city,
council,
Madam,
mayor
Timothy,
Sadler
and
I
actually
attended
the
Planning
and
Zoning
meeting
for
this
project,
and
you
know
one
thing
that
jumped
out
at
me
other
than
the
idea
of
a
38-foot
retaining
wall
was
just
we
could
have
art.
L
L
L
I,
don't
think
it
could
be
a
condition
at
this
point,
but
yeah,
just
in
general,
that
idea
of
more
money
for
public
art
in
development
as
well
I
know
it's
not
related
to
this
project,
but
maybe
I'll
speak
about
that
a
different
comment,
but
yeah
anyway
just
wanted
to
offer
a
different
way
of
you
know
perceiving
what
this
might
be.
A
Okay,
I'm
going
to
close
the
public
hearing
just
for
me
personally,
this
is
pretty
tricky
because
it
is
100
affordable
with
60
percent
of
area
media
income,
tax.
A
J
I
I
I
will
share
as
the
liaison
for
the
design
Review
Committee.
This
conversation
comes
up
a
lot
like
will
and
I
just
kind
of
joked
about
it,
but
our
esteemed
colleagues
at
the
design,
Review
Committee,
are
expressing
that
they're,
seeing
murals
used
almost
like
in
replace
of
doing
good
architecture.
Now
this
is
a
little
different
because
we're
talking
about
a
retaining
wall
but,
generally
speaking,
our
design
review
folks
are
flagging
that
we
might
be
using
art
in
the
wrong
way,
sometimes
in
design.
J
A
AD
You
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
address
Council.
My
name
is
Sean
Brady
vice
president
of
development
at
Commonwealth
and
yes,
it's
a
very
big
wall
and,
yes
to
answer
the
question
would
be
very
open
to
to
working.
We
would
need
some
help
from
staff
to
identify
local
artists,
but
that
came
up
at
planning
and
zoning
I.
Think
it's
a
great
idea.
AD
AD
We
had
another
suggestion
at
the
planning
committee
about
traffic,
because
that
was
that
was
another
big
concern
that
was
discussed
because,
as
we
all
know,
Sweden
Creek's
very
busy
road,
but
our
site's
also
classic
Urban
infill
site
where
it's
been
Zone,
multi-family
apartments
or
Townhomes
to
the
north
apartments
to
the
to
the
South
all
the
infrastructure
in
place
along
with
that
comes
traffic.
So,
yes,
we
we've
agreed
to
do
the
traffic
study
as
well.
That's
actually
I
think
we're
signing
that
up.
AD
It's
getting
underway,
I
think
it's
draft
reports
supposed
to
be
done
in
June,
but
yeah.
Basically,
the
back
story
on
why
we're
back
before
Council
is
like
all
the
other,
affordable
housing
developers.
AD
We've
been
struggling
lightly
to
to
close
the
funding
Gap
to
cost
a
ballooned
on
us,
and
so
our
our
contractor,
Weaver
cook,
recommended
this
design
changed
us
and
it
saves
about
a
million
and
a
half
dollars,
and
so
what
basically
they
suggested
is
we
previously
had
the
split
level
buildings,
four
stories
in
the
the
downslope
side,
two
stories
in
the
back
of
the
north
side,
if
we
flatten
the
buildings
which
increase
the
retaining
wall
height,
that
was
actually
substantially
cheaper.
AD
Despite
the
fact
it's
it's
a
big
retaining
wall,
then
building
the
step
level,
buildings
which
have
the
the
retaining
walls
integrated
in
every
single
building,
and
so
it
was
actually
a
cost
saving
measure
that
helped
us
get
the
budget
within
spitting
distance
and
we,
we
hope
with
some
additional
funding,
requests,
we're
close
and
that
you
know
if
we
can
get
everything
pulled
together,
we'll
be
able
to
to
close
and
start
construction
in
July.
But,
yes,
it
was.
AD
It's
basically
triggered
by
the
the
condition
on
the
retaining
wall
height,
the
number
of
units
unit
mix,
building
locations,
amenities
everything's
the
same
as
what
was
approved
previously.
It's
just
that
we
had
to.
We
had
to
go
and
do
some
what
they
call
Value
engineering,
some
pretty
significant
value
engineering,
but
it
resulted
in
some
pretty
significant
savings
and
makes
it
feasible.
Otherwise,
it's
not
feasible
right
now,
but
yes,
we're
very
open
to
that.
Would
love
to
work
with
staff
I
think
it's
a
great
idea.
AD
It
was
brought
up
before
as
long
as
I
can
get
some
help
from
somebody
to
identify
and
figure
with
some
kind
of
a
process
to
vet.
The
artwork
I
think
we'd
be
very
open
to
that.
AD
Well-
and
we
were
doing
this
on
all
of
our
developments
and
I-
don't
know
if
it's
a
if
it's
a
change
in
the
the
market
right
now,
but
but
generally
the
split
level
construction
had
been
more
affordable.
That
I've
been
my
previous
experience,
but
that's
not
the
case.
We've
had
it
in
several
different
sites,
with
several
different
contractors.
All
tell
us
the
same
thing
that
it's
currently
cheaper
to
build
higher,
retaining
walls
and
flatten
your
building.
It
has
to
do
with
the
the
foundation
work.
It's
it's!
AD
It's
just
more
economical
that
way,
so
it
was
not
what
our
design
team
thought
of
it
wasn't
what
my
experience
told
me
either,
but
that
is
what
we've
heard
from
several
contractors.
It
saves
significant
money
right
now
to
do
it
that
way,
and
so
we're
doing
that
everywhere,
but.
I
AD
Result
in
some
not
this
is
the
the
largest
retaining
one
we've
had
to
do,
but
this
has
also
got
the
most
hype
as
well
and,
as
somebody
else
mentioned,
it
slopes
up
pretty
significantly
in
the
back.
So
as
we
push
farther
away
from
the
road,
obviously
we
get
into
more
of
the
Woods
back
there,
but
it
also
gets
even
more
expensive
to
to
great.
So
that's
kind
of
that's.
Basically
the
logic.
AD
That's
driving
home
but
yeah
I,
know
I,
know
it's
kind
of
odd,
but
we
we
would,
but
it's
it's
necessary
in
this
situation,
and
we
would
definitely
like
to
work
to
to
mitigate
that
just
like
with
the
traffic
study
that
we're
doing
which
wasn't
required,
but
made
sense
and
we're
moving
forward
with
that.
You
know
we
obviously
want
to
do
a
good
quality.
R
AD
Yes,
we're
30
to
80,
we
average
out
to
60
Ami
or
less,
but
we
couldn't
do
it
without
the
city's
help,
though
I
mean
the
city
and
the
county
have
both
already
supported
this
development.
We
have
some
other
funding
requests
being
considered,
but
yeah
it
wouldn't
be
possible
without
the
city
Sport
and
that
really
has
has
made
affordable
housing,
practical,
feasible.
I
guess
really
is
a
word.
I
would
use
here
in
Nashville.
It's
it's
not
that
way
everywhere.
AF
AD
AD
I
Everyone
feel
good.
Okay,
thanks
for
letting
me
make
this
motion,
we've
been
I've,
been
watching
this
one
for
a
while.
O
A
AA
One
hey
there:
this
is
a
little
more
of
a
fun
one.
This
is
a
text
Amendment
to
the
unified
development
ordinance
to
allow
cat,
cafes
and
more
commercial
districts.
So
just
some
background
on
this
request,
you
had
the
definition
in
our
Udo
for
what
a
cat
cafe
is,
but
essentially
it's
a
place
where
cats
can
be
adopted,
while
visitors
and
patrons
can
also
support.
AA
AA
And
women
business
owned
Enterprise,
which
wants
to
open
a
cat
cafe
in
the
Haywood
Road
Corridor
District,
the
rhr3
district,
to
be
exact
and
at
the
time
he
told
them,
it
was
not
allowed
by
right.
They'd
have
to
either
not
pursue
that
or
seek
a
rezoning
of
that
property
to
to
be
able
to
do
it,
but
there's
only
one
District
that
would
allow
for
it.
AA
So
our
recommendation
is
to
expand
the
use
of
cat
cafes,
basically
in
all
the
zoning
districts
that
currently
allow
eating
and
drinking
establishments
which
there
are
a
number
of
understanding
that
the
zoning
potential
zoning
impacts
of
this
use
is
kind
of
basically
the
same
as
as
if
it
was
just
a
regular
eating
and
drinking
establishment
just
with
cats.
So
that's
kind
of
our
proposal
to
address
this
concern.
AA
AA
Services
accept
identifies
no
cons
for
this
proposed
amendment,
which
also
Supports
number
of
goals
in
the
city's
comprehensive
plan
to
promote
small
and
Independent
Business
entrepreneurship
and
maker
economy
by
evaluating
land
use
policies
to
ensure
that
zoning
regulations
support
small
business
growth
in
a
local
maker-based
economy
and
also
to
facilitate
real
estate
development
that
maximizes
public
benefit
by
ensuring
all
necessary
land
use.
Types
are
provided
for,
Seth
concurs
with
the
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
and
recommends
approval
of
the
proposed
zoning
tax
amendment
and
I'm
glad
to
answer
any
questions
you
may
have
at.
M
I
AA
A
H
Y
Sorry,
councilwoman
I
do
think
we
need
to
officially
open
and
close
the
public
hearing.
A
M
To
approve
the
or
I
move
to
approve
the
proposed
boarding
amendments
to
chapter
7
of
the
actual
code
of
ordinances
and
find
that
the
proposed
amendments
are
reasonable
or
in
the
public.
Interest,
are
consistent
with
the
city's
comprehensive
plan
and
meet
the
development
needs
of
the
community
and
that
the
Amendments
will
won,
ensure
that
zoning
regulations
support
small
business
growth
and
a
local
maker-based
economy
and
two
ensure
all
necessary
land
use.
Types
are
provided
for.
H
J
AG
A
K
A
More
to
happen
tonight,
so
let's
come
back
at
8
10..
Please.
A
Okay,
we
are
back
in
Action
here
and
we
are
ready
to
continue
our
agenda.
The
next
item
on
our
agenda
is
our
unfinished
business.
This
is
an
ordinance
establishing
fiscal
year,
2023-20
24
fees
and
charges
for
the
Water,
Resources,
Department
and
Taylor
Floyd
is
here
to
present
this
for
the
seventh
time
or
not
I'm
just
kidding.
AF
B
And
so
mayor,
before
title
starts,
we
have
had
a
lot
of
information
provided
to
you
regarding
water
and
the
Water
Resources
Department
and
the
water
outage,
and
this
is
definitely
related,
but
it
is
well,
it's
actually
very
related
in
terms
of
having
the
revenue
that
is
necessary
to
address
some
of
the
capital
needs
and
issues
that
are
needed
for
us
to
run
this
system
efficiently
and
effectively.
B
And
you
all
asked
us
a
couple
of
times
to
provide
you
with
information
to
bring
back
information,
and
we
are
now
to
the
point
where
again
we
are
making
a
recommendation
of
an
adjustment
to
our
water
fees
and
Taylor's
going
to
go
into
a
little
bit
more
detail
again.
This
will
be
something
you
saw
at
the
last
budget
work
session.
So
it's
going.
B
AF
You
Miss
Campbell
good
evening
mayor
and
Council
Again
Taylor
Floyd,
financing,
Management
Services
I,
as
the
manager
said,
I
think
most
of
what
I'm
going
to
present
you
all
have
seen
before
so
I
will
try
to
move
quickly,
but
please
ask
any
questions
whenever
they
come
up,
so
our
key
takeaways,
primarily
being
that
we
think
it's
going
to
be
really
difficult
to
maintain
our
current
level
of
service.
Without
the
recommended
staff
recommended
fee
increases.
AF
We
think
it
is
we're
challenged
really
to
assess
the
impact
of
substantial
changes
to
our
rates
and
structure.
Again,
that's
we'll
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
the
rate
modeling
work
with
our
consultant,
that's
underway,
but
we
just
really
don't
have
the
capacity
to
assess
kind
of
the
full
impact
of
changes
without
that
specific
technical
expertise
and
then
also
a
final
reminder
is
that
we
can
make
you
all
can
make
fee
adjustments
before
the
next
budget
development
cycle.
AF
So
again,
if
the
recommended
fee
increases
were
to
be
approved,
that
does
not
mean
that
they
can't
be
adjusted
mid-year
in
the
budget
year
for
for
next
fiscal
year.
AF
As
a
reminder,
our
recommended
changes
include
a
increase
in
the
base
fee
charge
to
customers
according
to
meter
size,
an
increase
in
consumption
fees
charged
to
customers
based
on
volume
of
water
used,
and
then
we
have
two
smaller
increases
that
are
specific
to
development.
In
the
case
of
the
hydrant
meter
rental
deposits,
and
then
we
annually
adjust
the
the
charge
that
we
charge
MSD
for
doing
the
billing
for
them.
AF
We
always
like
to
look
at
the
impact
of
these
changes
collectively.
So
how
is
this
going
to
impact?
Not
just
you
know
any
of
the
individual
services,
but
collectively.
How
is
this
going
to
impact
our
our
residents,
the
folks
that
rely
on
us
for
service
so
looking
at
again
the
solid
waste
storm,
water
and
water?
Those
are
the
fees
that
most
of
our
community
pays
and
what
those
typical
charges
would
be.
AF
You
can
see
a
total
annual
increase
of
65.36
of
that
are
proposed
or
recommended
water
fee
increases
based
off
average
usage
would
be
42.78
of
that
annual
increase
and
just
as
a
reminder,
too
I
guess
I
should
say
that
the
solid
waste
and
storm
water
changes
have
already
been
adopted,
looking
at
the
expense
side.
So
what
are
those
items
or
what
would
those
fee
increases
help
to
fund
the
base
budget
is
essentially
what
does
it
cost
for
us
to
keep
doing?
What
we're
already
doing?
AF
There
are
some
increases
in
there
related
to
contract
increases,
delayed
vehicle
Replacements,
increasing
material
costs,
a
variety
of
things
of
that
nature,
so
that
is
higher
than
it
is
in
the
current
year
we
have
our
proposed
salary
changes.
We've
talked
about
those
through
the
budget
process.
We
think
the
impact
in
the
water
specifically,
and
that
relates
to
both
our
kind
of
annual
across-the-board
increase
as
well
as
shift
differential
on-call
pay.
AF
All
of
the
other
items
we've
discussed
is
just
under
seven
hundred
thousand
dollars,
and
then
we
have
some
proposed
service
enhancements
that
are
a
little
over
1.1
million
dollars
as
a
reminder.
What
those
service
enhancements
include
a
maintenance
crew
primarily
focused
on
valves
and
hydrants,
some
staffing
for
redundancy
and
operations
at
water
treatment
plants,
a
education
and
Outreach
focused
Communications
position
to
kind
of
expand
that
opportunity
there
with
the
with
the
water
fund
and
billing
Specialists.
AF
That
would
help
us
as
we
go
through
the
meter
replacement
project,
ensure
that
that
billing
is
happening
accurately
and
then.
Finally,
we
want
to
continue
to
recover
Revenue
that
we
lost
when
we
had
to
do
away
with
the
capital
fee
in
FY
20
and
again
that
total,
as
one
million
one
hundred
and
nineteen
thousand.
AF
So
you
all
had
asked
us-
and
we
presented
this
at
the
the
last
work
session.
What
a
residential
rate
freeze
would
look
like.
You
can
kind
of
see
the
the
varying
amount
of
Revenue
we
think
that
would
bring
in.
That
is
a
very
rough
estimate
and
again
this
kind
of
plays
into
this
issue
where
we
we
don't
have
the
ability
to
really
assess
how
this
might
impact
our
revenues
overall.
AF
But
this
is
our
best
guess
and
then
finally
or
I
guess
on
that
fourth
row,
you
can
see
our
recommended
increase
in
the
total
revenues
there
compared
with
those
expenses
and
I
will
mention,
the
expenses
are
less
than
the
recommended
increase,
but
there's
some
opportunity
to
use
that
a
little
over
half
a
million
dollars
to
include
as
a
contingency
specifically
for
items
where
the
IRC
may
make
some
recommendations
so
that
we
could
address
those
mid-year
and
also
an
opportunity
to
further
increase
that
Capital
allocation.
If
we
so
chose.
AF
So,
looking
at
the
a
few
items
that
we
think
are
really
important
in
our
recommendation
and
why
we
are
making
or
suggesting
that
this
recommendation
be
approved
by
you
all
one
is
we
have
this
rate
model
study
underway,
and
that's
really
one
of
the
main
reasons
that
we
think
we
want
to
get
that
completed
so
that
we
have
all
of
this
information.
AF
And
that
is
actually
also
a
key
piece
of
as
it
relates
to
our
long-term
needs
and
debt.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
good
financial
planning
that
we're
relying
on,
especially
as
we're
issuing
debt.
That's
something
that
we've
been
lucky.
Our
the
most
recent
debt
issuance
that
water
did.
Their
debt
was
rated
by
Moody's
at
aa1,
which
is
the
just
the
next
tier
down
from
AAA,
which
is
the
highest
so
they're.
AF
We
also
have
know
that
the
local
government
commission,
which
has
to
approve
all
of
our
debt
issuances
and
rating
agencies,
prefer
to
see
a
long-term
plan,
consistent
funding
and
a
well-managed
system.
So
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
make
sure
that
we
have
that
as
we
go
forward,
especially
knowing
that
we
will
be
issuing
some
debt,
some
water
debt
in
the
coming
fiscal
year
and
again,
a
key
piece
of
that
is
continuing
that
capital
investment
to
make
sure
that
we
have
production
and
distribution
systems
that
that
meet
our
needs.
Q
Thank
you
Taylor,
so
we
have
talked
about
this
a
handful
of
times
in
a
couple.
Things
have
come
up
so
I'll,
just
kind
of
restate
some
of
the
things
on
my
mind
through
this
process.
Through
the
budget
cycle
we've
learned
when
we
look
at
our
peer
cities
and
cities
across
the
state
that
a
lot
of
other
states
are
setting
rates
where
there's
many
many
tiers
and
ultimately,
those
tiers,
incentivize
water
conservation.
They,
as
opposed
to
bulk,
discounting
and
I
I.
Think
philosophically,
as
a
leader,
that's
the
direction
that
I
would
like
to
see.
Q
Our
rates
go.
I
also
think
that
we
need
to
really
understand.
What's
the
fair
balance
between
our
rate
users,
from
residential
to
commercial
to
Industrial
and
the
proposed
rates
don't
really
account
for
either
of
those,
and
it
creates
pretty
substantial
burden
for
our
residential.
The
increase
on
our
residentials
and
I'm
not
really
satisfied
with
that
Maggie.
A
Q
I
think
it's
time
to
to
really
dig
in
and
look
at
our
rate
structure
and
staff
is
doing
that
work
right
now
with
a
consultant
and
it's
really
Technical
and
it's
not
ready
yet
and
I,
keep
being
just
like.
That's
I'm
frustrated
I
wish
that
the
Stars
would
always
align
at
the
right
timing
and
it
didn't
in
this
case
I
also
then
I
start.
This
is
my
journey
on
this.
So
then
I
start
saying
like
no
I'm,
not
comfortable
with
this
I,
don't
want
to
vote
for
this
re-
increase
I'm.
Q
Also,
though
very
uncomfortable
with
not
doubling
down
on
our
water
infrastructure.
We
can't
wait
longer
to
do
the
type
of
Maintenance
Investments
that
we
need.
We
can't
wait
longer
to
do
the
capital
Investments.
We
need
so
then
I'm
in
that
spot
of
like
well
I.
Don't
want
to
wait,
I'm
comfortable,
asking
citizens
to
chip
in
more
so
that
our
water
system
is
better
so
that
we
have
great
drinking
water.
That's
reliable,
so
I'm
caught
between
these
two
places,
so
I.
I
Would
support
that
I
like
that
thinking?
The
limited
time
period
allows
us
that
I'm
also
curious.
If
anyone
I
guess
talk
to
me
about
this
contingency,
because
when
we
plan
projects
we
build
contingency
into
it
and
percentages
is
that
already
baked
in?
And
this
500
is
extra,
we
don't
know
because
if
we
were
to
do
like
a
six
or
nine
month,
revisit
I'm
wondering
what
the
impact
of
that
500
000
contingency
is
on
the
rate
for
the
for
the
residents.
AF
AF
If
we
don't
think
we
need
and
I'll
use
that
generously,
because
I
think
David
would
probably
say
that
we
always
could
use
a
little
more,
but
that
if,
if
that's
not
something
that
we
think
we
can
utilize
execute
on
in
the
current
year,
then
perhaps
that
would
be
able
to
help
us
alleviate
some
of
the
some.
I
AF
AF
Prudent
I
don't
think
we
have
a
lot
of
excess
budget
built
into
any
of
our
any
of
the
the
work
that
we
do,
but
again
I
think
the
the
main
thing
is
I
would
suggest,
anyway,
is
looking
at
opportunities
to
increase
that
capital,
investment
and
or
again
not
knowing
what
the
IRC
recommendations.
I
AF
We'll
have
those
recommendations
prior
to
this,
the
the
rate
model
study
being
complete.
I
I
A
AF
We
could
determine
what
that
number
would
be.
I
would
also
say
that
you
know
if
we
are
looking
at
what
council
member
Ullman
proposed,
which
is
an
adjustment
in
January.
You
know
we
would
ultimately
end
up
only
getting
250
000
theoretically
in
the
preceding
six
months,
so
yeah.
A
And
I
think
at
the
work
session
we
talked
about
I'm.
What
Constable
Ullman
is
talking
about
is
what
we
talked
about
there,
which
was
trying
to
implement
something
as
soon
as
possible
after
the
study
comes
back,
so
we
are
able
to
thoughtfully
restructure
rates
so
that
what's
not
happening
here.
What
I
think
that
was
the
intent
that
we
were
gonna,
that
we
were
gonna
do
that
which
is.
I
A
Why
don't
we
ask
for
well
I'm
just
trying
to
think
about
this,
because
we
need
to
vote
on
this
tonight,
but
we
don't
have
that
information,
so
I
think
we're
going
to
need
to
go
ahead
and
take
a
vote
because
we've
been
moving
this
out
and
we're
getting
a
little
bit
too
close
to
our
budgeting
on
our
budgeting
schedule.
But
if
we
could
have
that
information
from
staff,
the
question
you're
asking
about
impact
following
this
meeting
when
you
have
a
chance
to
dig
into
that.
A
Okay,
yeah
and
we
do
have
one
person
signed
up
speaking
under
this
so
I.
Will
we
on
this
one
since
we're
under
unfinished
business,
I
will
need
a
motion
and
then
I
can
call
the
person
to
speak.
A
So
now
Brad's
going
to
pounce
on
you,
because
you
can't
really
condition
a
fee
change
because
of
the
binding
future
Council
thing,
I
assume
you're,
going
to
tell.
Y
Us,
but
exactly
so
I
I
would
suggest
a
path
to
accomplish
what
you're
doing
is
potentially
is
you
could
make
a
motion
to
recommend
approval
of
the
fee
change
and
also
combining
these
two,
but
it
being
separate
direction
to
the
city
manager
to
bring
this
matter
back
for
future.
H
Q
And
then
should
I
do
my
second
motion?
No
and
then
we
go
to
public
comment.
Sure,
okay,
so
I
make
a
motion
to
ask
the
city
manager
to
at
the
completion
of
the
water
rate
study,
bring
a
proposal
back
to
council
to
continue
to
consider
updating
the
rate
structure.
A
J
AH
Good
evening,
mayor
and
Council
I'm
I'm
really
pleased
to
hear
some
of
the
discussion
they
made
up
here.
I'll
say
that
after
I
heard
the
first
proposal
to
change
the
water
rates
a
few
weeks
ago,
I
realized
that
publicly
available
for
the
first
time
were
some
numbers
that
were
able
to
be
combined
for
analysis
that
had
not
been
accessible
to
the
public
before
and
I
have
spent
hours
of
my
time.
AH
Looking
at
these
spreadsheets
and
trying
to
solve
our
communal
problem
of
how
to
fund
a
water
system
and
how
to
do
it
more
equitably,
how
to
do
it
in
a
way
where
we're
not
asking
residents
to
pay
more
than
their
share,
because
that's
the
current
system
that
we
have
and
I
think
that
the
proposal
to
wait
six
months
well,
first
I'll
say
that
as
much
time
as
I
spent
on
this
I
was
trying
to
actually
bring
back
a
very
detailed
proposal
for
you
guys
and
there
just
wasn't
quite
enough
public
information
available
to
do
that.
AH
J
AH
We
can
I
get
the
overhead
so
first
off
we
have
a
system
right
now,
where,
if
you're
a
manufacturer,
you
can
save
a
lot
of
money
by
using
a
lot
more
water.
Here
is
an
example,
so
1133
CCF
of
water,
at
the
high
rate
for
a
manufacturer,
costs
five
thousand
dollars.
AH
AH
Don't
believe
me,
it's
Mass
and
I
this.
This
kind
of
blew
my
mind
so
where
we
love
to
think
of
ourselves
as
an
environmental
City
that
Champions
conservation
and
this
this
is
a
dinosaur
rate
system,
and
it's
just
not
clearly
it's
just
clearly
not
working
I.
Think
Ronald
Reagan
would
love
this.
It's
a
classic
classic
example
of
a
very
business
forward
approach,
the
CCF
cost
in
other
cities.
The
proposed
right
now,
which
you
guys
were
voting
on
right,
is
521
per
CCF.
AH
A
CCF
is
about
748
gallons
by
the
way
and
Hendersonville
and
obviously
Hendersonville
is
not
a
Sullivan.
Law
doesn't
apply
to
them.
They
can
actually
charge
their
outside
residents
more
and
they,
the
outside
residents
of
Hendersonville
still
charge,
are
charged
less
than
our
residents
in
Asheville
Charlotte's
about
230
per
CCF.
I
know
we
got
topographical
difficulties
here.
It
makes
running.
J
AH
Water
system
more
expensive,
that
makes
sense,
but
that's
just
how
far
out
of
whack
we
are
with
the
rest
of
the
city.
The
rest
of
the
state
residents
here
use
54
of
their
water
contribute
60
to
69
percent
of
the
revenue,
for
the
entire
system
can't
be
more
specific
than
that,
because
the
data
is
a
little
washy
and
here's
one
more
thing.
AH
A
A
Presented
staff
already
presented
their
system
to
us.
It
showed
us
the
tears,
but
the
question
I
have
about
the
commercial
user
or
industrial
user
that
was
in
that
right,
I
think
what
actually,
how
it
works
is.
The
rate
is
x
amount
for
the
for
the
first
1133
gallons.
Then
the
rate
is
this
amount
for
the
next
and
then
this
amount
for
the
next.
It's
not
that's.
Q
All
in
the
read
study
I
had
one
more
thought
before
we
go
to
any
other
voting.
Is
you
know,
since
we've
been
having
this
conversation,
I've
talked
to
a
lot
of
people,
a
lot
of
residents
a
lot
of
businesses
and
if
we
go
in
the
direction
of
adopting
adopting
both
of
these
motions,
I
look
forward
to
and
invite
staff
to
make
sure
that
we're
engaging
with
lots
of
our
partners
out
in
the
community.
Q
Because,
if
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
fundamentally
changing
our
rate
structure
to
get
towards
public
good
goals,
we
need
the
right
payers
to
be
part
of
that,
whether
it's
businesses
or
residents
or
just
groups,
so
I'll
be
spending
a
lot
of
time.
Talking
with
folks
about
it
and
as
the
information
comes
out
from
the
rate
study,
we'll
need
some
good
Junctions,
where
everybody
has
access
to
the
information
we
all
get
to
mull
over
it
together.
To
make
sure
we
get
to
a
fair,
just
water,
conserving
rate
design
and.
A
And
I
think
you've
raised
a
good
point,
because
we
did
have
a
big
discussion
around
water
rates
at
one
of
our
work
sessions
and
of
course,
people
were
watching
and-
and
you
know,
when
you're
a
large
user
and
we're
talking
about
changing
a
rate
structure.
Obviously
relatively
speaking,
it's
very
impactful,
and
so
you
need
to
have
thoughtful
conversation
about
that.
A
But
but
I
think
I
think
the
manager
is
hearing
this
Council
that
we
have
concern
about
the
structure
of
our
system,
placing
such
a
greater
burden
on
the
residential
user
and
how
to
reallocate
that
more
equitably
amongst
residential
users
and
then
across
the
classes
of
classifications
of
users,
so
that
it
makes
more
more
sense
from
us.
From
that
standpoint.
J
M
Just
I
really
appreciate
that
you're
trying
to
bring
another
thing
to
the
table
and
I
want
to
honor
that
I'd
hoped
that
we
could
look
at
a
staggering,
because
this
is
the
second
year
that
I've
asked
about
why
we
offer
a
bulk
discount
and
I
know
that
there's
benefits
to
Economic
Development
and
to
local
businesses
when
we
have
incentives
and
programs
that
support
them.
But
this
isn't
a
new
conversation
and
I'm
not
sure
if
hurry
up
and
move
ahead
will
result
in
what
we
want,
which
is
change.
I
So
that's
27,
so
I'm
just
a
little
concerned
because
I'm
residential
costs
right
and
if
there's
all
this
influx,
we're
looking
at
differential
rates
and
I,
know
I'm
sure
we
could
throw
100
million
dollars
at
our
water
system
and
absorb
every
dollar
of
it.
But
as
far
as
planning
and
transparency
with
our
residents
and
keeping
costs
low.
Until
we
know
more
information,
I
would
support.
A
I
Q
Is
what
you're
saying
yesterday,
like
or
I'll,
say
what
I'm
thinking
that
makes
a
lot
of
sense
to
me,
especially
if
we're
going
in
a
direction
of
having
this
conversation
again
in
a
couple
months,
maybe
you're,
suggesting
that
we
pull
out
that
contingency
for
what
we
approve
now
and
and
the
question
mark
that
I
hear.
Maybe
you
saying
Esther
is:
will.
A
Contingency
is
for
or
not
question
of
what
would
be
the
impact
on
rate
pairs,
I
I
get
that,
but
but
what
I
guess
I
I
don't
know
if
somebody
on
staff
can
speak
more
to
to
the
condition
so
I
couldn't
understand
how
vital
it
is
to
be
included
or
not.
I
mean
well.
I
I
Don't
I,
guess
I'm
just
thinking
on
the
face
of
this
with
all
this
going
on
with
the
water
in
our
community
as
transparent
and
as
much
information
that
we
can
have
is
best
so
now
we're
looking
at
increase
and
almost
a
third
of
it
has
a
big
unknown
around
it,
and
it
may
very
well
be
needed
I
wish.
We
could
Define
it
or
say
it's,
we
might
hire
a
position
or
we
might.
A
To
stress
yeah-
and
it's
not
in
this
presentation
so
I'm
not
seeing
where
Taylor
Maybe,
you
could
talk
more
about
where
this,
the
500
000
is
it.
A
AF
So
again,
I
think
what
that
would
provide
us
with
is
an
opportunity
to,
and
this
is
a
slide
that
we
showed
at
the
work
session.
Looking
at
the
capital
allocation,
because.
AF
Time
correct,
so
we
were,
we
had
been
fairly
steady
around
that
just
over
11
million
dollars
for
about
three
years
drop
that
down
to
4.1
after
we
removed
that
fee.
AF
That
would
just
limit
our
flexibility
again.
So.
A
B
A
Sage,
though,
I
think,
if
what
I'm
understanding
is,
there's
not
an
intention
to
drop
the
amount
of
money
going
into
capital
projects,
in
fact
it's
going
to
increase
and
we
anticipate
from
the
recommendation.
It'll
increase
even
more
so
so
we're
passing
a
budget
knowing
that
it's
going
to
increase.
However,
we're
also
talking
about
restructuring
rates
so
that
that
full
amount
of
money,
hopefully
with
the
rate,
restructure,
we'll
change
up
what
what
the
individual
user
sees
in
in
their
burden
of
that.
A
I
A
But
I
mean
we,
you
can
see
here.
We
know
we're
going
to
have
to
increase
Capital,
so
I
think
it's
an
unfortunate
thing
to
call
it
contingency,
because
it's
not
contingency
if
I'm
understanding
you
correctly
it's
it,
we
got
enough.
Capital
needs
right
now
that
we
could
we
could
and
we
know
what
they
are
and
they're
in
planning
I
mean
so
I,
don't
as
far
as
I
understand
I
mean
so
I
I'm,
not
if
I.
A
AF
AF
Not
hearing
that
I'm
not
I
would
I
would
suggest
to
you
that
over
you
know
again,
we
we
would
like
to
get
this
Capital
allocation
back
up
to
where
it
was,
which
will
likely
require
continued
incremental
fee
increases
over
the.
AF
Hoping
with
the
the
rate
model
study
is
that
we'll
have
an
opportunity
to
more
thoroughly
assess
what
the
impact
of
those
are
going
to
be
on
each
of
those
user
classes.
What
other
goals
you
all
have
expressed
here
this
evening
or
may
may
have
that
we
can
try
to
incorporate
that
into
the
rate
structure,
while
also
providing
the
financial
resources
that
the
water
fund
needs
to
continue
to
invest
in
that
service.
B
Do
you
have
the
right
model
slot
that
talks
about
fair
and
Equitable?
That's
what
we
are
trying
to
get
from
this
right
model
study
and
then
come
back
with
that
level
of
information
to
make
those
adjustments.
K
Q
Our
water
system
and
I'm
not
I'm,
not
interested
in
pointing
fingers,
I'm
interested
in
pointing
the
path
forward
and
I.
Think
what
you're
hearing
from
Council
is.
We
have
really
high
expectations
for
the
amount
of
information
we
receive
for
the
level
of
analysis
and
that
the
five
words
on
a
page
about
fair
and
Equitable
are
backed
up
by
the
design
of
the
policy
and.
AF
AA
AF
As
well
is
we
want
to
be
able
to
provide
that
information
to
you
all
and
that's
honestly,
why
we
don't
feel
like
we're
in
a
position
to
make
adjustments
again,
I
think
it's
the
discussion's
been
about.
You
know
turning
pulling
levers
or
turning
knobs
individually,
and
there
are
a
lot
and
a
lot
of
different
rape
models
out
there,
but
we're
we,
as
staff,
are
certainly
not
equipped
to
really
understand
what
the
full
impact
of
those
like
structural
changes
would
be.
AF
M
No
you're
fine,
as
we
looked
at
our
peer
cities
that
were
provided
to
us
and
the
depth
of
the
what
appears
to
be
a
bulk
discount
and
what
appears
to
be
the
residential
full-time
residents.
Paying
the
most
I
wondered
a
couple
things
that
we
might
look
at
more
specifically
when
we
do
look
at
the
rate
structure,
one,
the
history
and
the.
Why
behind?
Why?
We
provide
such
a
deep
discount
compared
to
other
peer
cities
for
commercial
users?
M
A
I
A
Is
because
her
tournament
Council
finished
before
a
term
on
on
MSD,
but
it
is.
It
is
interesting
that
no
one
ever
comes
to
the
budget
meetings
at
MSD,
even
though
they're
the
other
half
of
the
bill
that
people
receive,
but
there's
not
a
lot
of
attention
paid,
but
I
understand
we
have
a.
We
have
a
situation
this
year,
that's
really
focused
the
spotlight
on
our
water
system
and
our
water
rates,
and
that
I
appreciate
that
that
we're
experiencing
that
this
year,
so.
I
Brad
I
have
a
question.
We
need
a
super
majority
on
this.
Y
The
vote
before
you
is
one
of
an
adoption
of
an
ordinance
that
requires
under
state
law
to
pass
on
the
first
reading
a
super
majority
of
the
members
of
council.
Given
the
seven
seats
that
you
have
that's
five
votes
required.
If
it
receives
less
than
five
votes,
it
doesn't
necessarily
fail
if
it
received
four
votes,
which
is
still
a
majority.
It
wouldn't
proceed
to
a
second
reading
at
your
next
meeting,
where
only
a
simple
majority
would
be
required.
A
I
N
H
H
A
A
Now
we're
going
to
do
the
second
motion
to
to
ask
that
the
manager
bring
back
recommendations
once
the
conclusion
of
the
water
rate.
Studies
done
to
look
at
our
water
rate
structure
and
recommend
changes
there
too.
A
Yeah,
because
that
was
how
that
buddy
thank
you
for
joining
up
and
making
it
a
motion.
A
AE
AE
AJ
A
Would
you
like
to
it's.
AG
AG
AG
This
meeting
clarified
one
thing
that
City
staff
are
ignoring
city
council
and
therefore
democracy,
I
think
that
you
guys
are
being
disrespected
in
mass,
and
it's
like
really
clear
from
that
attitudes
of
the
city
staff
that
come
and
speak
here.
I
don't
mean,
like
I
I,
think
that
they
think
that
they
can
just
push
you
around
because
you're
not
presenting
a
united
front,
but
your
value
is
not
preventing
presenting
a
united
front.
AG
AG
I,
don't
think
that
that's
what
you
want
to
look
like
you're
doing,
but
that's
what
it's
going
to
look
like
you're,
what
you're
doing,
especially
since
we're
already
looking
into
a
rate,
hike
or
into
a
rate
system
adjustment,
we're
already
doing
the
work
to
research.
What
the
most
Equitable
Way
Forward
is.
Why
would
we
increase
the
fees
before
that
research
is
back?
It's
a
waste
of
money
and
also,
if
you
increase
residential
water
rates,
we
don't
just
have
more
money.
We're
gonna
miss
the
bill.
AG
The
more
people
have
to
have
their
water
shut
off
the
more
work
there
is
for
the
water
department
to
not
focus
on
their
Capital
Improvement
plan
and
I.
Think
that
you
need
to
have
the
courage
and
resolve
to
make
a
statement
that
you're
not
going
to
be
able
to
increase
the
rates.
If
you
don't
have
a
good
reason.
AG
I
guess
that
there
was
a
lot
of
discussion
about
that
already,
but
this
is
the
only
part
of
rent
that
you
control.
If
you
say,
you're,
powerless
to
freeze
rents,
freeze
the
utility
that
you
can
control
if
the
water
pipes
are
frozen.
Why
aren't
the
water
rates
like
I,
don't
understand
why
you
can't
do
the
literally.
J
AG
Easy
thing
to
decrease
cost
of
living
in
Asheville
the
clearest
most
direct
line
you
guys
have
to
that
monetary
impact
is
the
water
rates
I'm,
sorry
to
yell
after
we
all
just
voted
on
it.
But
if
you
say
your
hands
are
tied,
don't
charge
us
more
like
with
tied
hands,
I,
don't
I,
just
trying
to
say
trying
to
not
sound
crazy
here,
but
I
feel
a
little
crazy
watching.
You
talk
about
all
the
points
I
made
and
then
still
voting
to
increase
the
water
rates.
AG
Anyway,
it's
nice
that
you
see
what
the
constituents
are
bringing
to
you,
but
if
it
doesn't
impact
your
final
vote,
it
is
lip
service
and
you
know
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
we
all
see
it
and
we're
not
going
to
magically
have
more
money
you're,
just
not
going
to
get
the
water
bills
paid.
AE
Councilwoman,
thank
you.
I'm
Sasha
bertinski,
here
with
Community
Economic
Development,
to
present
to
you
five
applications
for
the
Housing
Trust
Fund
for
this
funding
cycle.
This
presentation
is
a
little
long,
I'm
going
to
try
to
go
as
fast
as
I
can
so
bear
with
me
just
a
few
key
takeaways.
First,
we
have
five
eligible
applications
that
are
being
considered
a
total,
approximately
5.2
million,
and
the
current
balance
of
the
Housing
Trust
Fund
is
7.65
million.
AE
This
round
of
funding
was
coordinated
to
align
with
Buncombe
County's
consideration
of
applications
to
assist
with
decision
making
and
make
it
more
predictable
for
the
development
Community.
We
are
recommending
four
of
these
projects
for
4.3
million
in
funding
to
assist
with
construction
of
approximately
239
units
and
we're
recommending
all
four
of
those
as
loans
at
the
Housing
and
Community
Development
committee
meeting
last
week.
AE
Here
we
are
tonight
for
final
considerations,
just
as
a
quick
reminder.
This
is
the
schedule
we've
been
following
for
this
application
process.
I've
talked
to
you
about
this
several
times
and
here's
a
quick
summary
of
these
five
applications.
The
first
three
are
all
low-income
housing
tax
credit
projects.
They
are
all
nine
percent
projects,
nine
percent
tax
credit
projects
and
they
all
also
went
to
Buncombe
County
for
funding,
and
today,
Buncombe
County's,
affordable
housing
committee,
which
is
three
commission
members
voted
to
support
all
three
of
these
projects.
AE
AE
First
Redwood
Commons.
You
all
saw
this
project
last
May
for
a
conditional
zoning.
It
is
70
units
of
senior
housing
on
Governor's
View
Road
in
East
Asheville,
just
near
the
Aldi.
You
can
see
it
in
the
lower
right
of
that
picture.
There,
the
developers
Buckeye
Community
Hope
Foundation.
They
are
requesting
1.8
million
in
Housing
Trust
Fund
financing
I'll
talk
about
that
in
a
minute.
AE
This
is
a
low
income
housing
tax
project,
so
it's
it's
serving
60
emine
below
and
a
variety
of
incomes
in
that
bracket.
So
here
is
their
funding
stack
today
at
the
Buncombe
County
committee
meeting.
They
voted
to
support
this
project
with
1.8
million,
so
that
does
leave
a
gap
of
about
a
1.4
1.5
million
there's
some.
There
are
a
lot
of
great
things
about
this
project.
The
subsidy
right
now
with
the
1.8
million
request,
is
25
700
per
unit.
It
aligns
with
our
Consolidated
plan.
AE
It
is
located
on
a
Brownfield
which
will
require
some
remediation,
which
you
know,
is
a
great
investment
in
the
land,
making
it
useful
again
just
a
few
concerns,
and
mainly
this
the
request
to
Buncombe
County.
Obviously,
this
presentation
was
put
in
put
together
before
today,
so
their
request
of
the
county
was
above
the
10
cap
at
the
county.
So
that's
why
we're
in
this
funding
situation,
where
they
are
in
that
funding
situation?
The
second
project
is
reimagining
d
review.
Also
low-income
housing
tax
credit
project.
AE
You
all
funded
this
project
at
1.465
million
as
a
grant
from
our
affordable
housing
Bond
last
spring.
This
is
serving
a
variety
of
incomes
at
60
and
below
I'll
just
keep
going.
It
is
indeed
review
and
d
review
apartments
and
it
is
being
built
on
vacant
land,
so
it
doesn't
displace
anyone
while
construction
is
happening.
AE
AE
And
you
know
we
are
recommending
a
loan
in
lieu
of
a
grant
for
several
different
reasons.
It
helps
us
be
at
the
table
for
future
negotiations.
Two
percent
interest
helps
us
to
grow
the
Housing
Trust
Fund.
You
could
also
do
zero
percent
interest
and,
if
there's
a
grant,
then
we
don't
have
as
much
recourse
if
the
project
has
challenges
in
the
future.
AE
AE
Buncombe
County
has
recommended
their
funding
they're,
not
it's
not
completely
clear
where
the
source
of
funding
will
be,
but
they
have
recommended
the
funding
third
project
here.
Haven
Summit
you've
already
heard
a
lot
about
this
project
tonight,
77
units
on
Sweden,
Creek
Road.
The
request
is
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
and
which
is
a
very
small
amount
of
their
total
project
cost.
So
our
percentage
is
pretty
small
in
terms
of
total
development
costs
and
they
are
serving
a
variety
of
incomes
and
they
have
vouchers
as
a
part
of
their
project.
AE
AE
The
subsidies
approximately
sixty
five
hundred
dollars
per
unit,
they
are
also
in
the
process
of
applying
for
luige
funding.
So
what
that
means
is
that
if
that
was
granted-
and
that
would
be
coming
to
you
in
approximately
a
month-
because
it
has
to
go
to
the
policy
HR
and
finance
committee,
if
you
granted,
if
that
was
also
granted,
it
would
bring
their
funding
up
to
a
total
of
approximately
1.5
million,
which
is
about
actually
just
almost
exactly
even
with
what
Buncombe
County
is
funding
them
out.
AE
Next
is
Stewart
Street
Cottages,
so
this
is
for
10,
affordable,
Cottages
homeownership
in
West
Asheville,
the
developers
reasonable
development
here
of
Asheville.
The
request
is
approximately
a
million
50
000
in
Housing
Trust
Fund
financing.
The
term
is
a
three-year
term,
with
two
percent
compounding
annually.
We
would
be
in
second
lean
position,
so
a
portion
of
the
loan
would
be
repaid
from
home,
sale
proceeds
and
another
portion
of
it
would
be
used
to
for
down
payment
assistance.
AE
AE
foreign,
so
some
pros
of
this
this
project,
it's
an
opportunity
to
create
kind
of
an
asheville-based
model
for
affordable
home
ownership.
Development
close
to
about
half
of
the
loan
would
be
repaid
within
three
years
after
homes
are
sold.
We
have
an
experienced
developer
for
this
project,
who's
built
more
than
100
homes.
Here
in
Asheville,
there
are
some
concerns,
but
they're
not
huge.
We
we
have
a
lot
of
work
to
do.
AE
AE
It
is
a
hybrid
of
rental
and
Home
Ownership.
This
is
the
same
developers.
Stewart
Street.
The
request
is
for
868
000
in
in
financing.
They
are
also
requesting
the
city-owned
land
at
a
discounted
sales
price
of
fifty
thousand.
We
paid
450
000
for
this
land
back
in
I,
believe
2018,
so
that
is
a
subsidy
of
four
hundred
thousand,
possibly
more.
If
the
land
has
gone
up
in
value,
the
loan
terms
would
be
a
three-year
term.
Two
percent
compounding
annually
similar
to
the
last
project.
A
portion
would
be
repaid
from
home
sales.
AE
AE
AE
So
there's
some
some
pretty
serious
concerns
here.
So
this
is
a
piece
of
city-owned
land
back
in
2018
I.
AE
Believe
the
city
council
adopted
a
policy
for
how
you
dispose
of
land
for
affordable
housing
and
what
that
policy
basically
says
is
that
the
city
will
decide
when
land
is
available
for
affordable
housing
and
we
will
issue
an
RFP
now
Council
has
the
ability
to
negotiate
with
developers
outside
of
that
policy
if
you
choose,
but
this
so
This
application's
coming
to
us
outside
of
that
policy
with
no,
we
had
no
action,
no
kind
of
advertising
for
this
piece
of
land,
sewer
service
and
other
infrastructure
upgrades
may
be
needed.
AE
AE
K
AE
Different
development
scenarios
in
the
staff
report-
I
didn't
just
say
it,
but
another
concern
is
that
we
didn't
look
at
other
possibilities
for
this
land
like
should
there
be?
Could
there
be
mobile
homes?
You
know,
there's
some
other
options.
We
know
that
it
can't
support
like
a
multi-level
apartment
building,
because
there's
issues
with
the
soil,
so
whatever
gets
developed
on
this
land
has
to
be
somewhat
less
intense.
AE
That
future
vote
would
consider
both
the
land
sale
and
the
Housing
Trust
Fund
together,
and
that
was
actually
the
option
that
hcd
voted
to
to
want
three
to
zero
I
believe
to
to
recommend
that
option
and
then
option
three
would
be
to
approve
the
current
request
and.
B
AE
A
A
No,
no,
no
I'm,
not
talking
about
that
state
law
that
allows
one-on-one
negotiations
for
the
development
of
City
online
I'm.
Talking
about
the
city
council
adopted
a
city
policy,
yes,
that
when
city
land
was
going
to
be
developed
for
affordable
housing,
it
had
to
include
of.
I
A
little
context
too
here
that
I
don't
mind,
sharing
that
helped
us
get
to
option
two,
and
that
is
that
this
land
we
purchased
it
after
two
failed
attempts
of
other
projects,
so
it
was
first
privately
owned
and
affordable
housing
development
failed,
they
sold
the
land.
Habitat
tried
to
develop
it.
It
didn't
come
together
because
of
the
soils.
So
that's
more.
I
What
Sasha
was
talking
about
with
the
you
can't
be
a
large
building,
so
we're
kind
of
limited
to
single
family,
perhaps
duplex
self
footprint
here,
but
then
you
mentioned
mobile
homes,
but
that's
not
currently
allowed
there
either
sure
so,
yeah
there's
just
this
is
a
rough
piece
of
land
and
I.
Think
at
hcd
we
didn't
we
weren't
comparable
with
doing
anything
immediately,
and
we
also
didn't
want
to
deny
it
that's
where
we
landed
with
option
number
two,
because
you
know
in
the
same
I
think
we
have
like
just
earlier
tonight.
I
A
I
It
was
we're
not
we're
gonna
love.
This
piece
of
land
is
what
I'll
say:
it's
not
our
favorite
City
asset.
AE
AE
Been
kind
of
weaving
this
throughout
the
presentation,
but
just
as
a
summary
hcd
reviewed
this
last
week
and
unanimously
approved
Redwood
Commons,
Fairhaven,
Summit
and
Steward
Street
reimagining
d
review
is
approved
two
to
one
to
to
approve
it
as
a
grant
and
then
option
two
was
voted
on
as
well.
AE
AE
H
AE
A
AE
I
Just
wanted
to
share
a
little
context
because,
as
a
general
reminder,
this
is
the
first
time
we've
done
a
Housing
Trust
Fund
application
as
a
set
as
a
group.
We
did
this
strategically
to
align
with
the
County's
plan
and
to
strengthen
our
Tools
in
that
we
could
compare
all
of
the
applications
Apples
to
Apples
at
the
same
time,
instead
of
seeing
them
as
one-offs
throughout
the
year,
helping
us
inform
ourselves
about.
Are
we
getting
the
best
return
for
the
community
and
for
our
investment
I?
I
Think
it's
been
a
really
great
process
and
staff
actually
picked
this
up
pretty
quickly
and
ran
with
it.
So
lots
of
appreciation
for
doing
that,
and
it
helps
us
to
have
these
conversations
like
knowing
the
county
voted
today.
So
it's
better
for
us,
it's
better
for
our
information,
it's
better
for
the
developer
because
it
streamlines
for
funding
so
kudos
for
getting
us
to
here.
So
just
a
little
background
there
I
do
want
to
I'll
take
an
easy
one.
The
Stewart
Street
is
really
exciting
to
me.
I
I,
don't
know
if
y'all
caught
that,
but
we
were
not
able
to
deploy
our
million
dollars
in
down
payment
assistance
for
various
reasons,
rfps
and
proposals
that
failed,
but
in
a
sense
this
developer
is
offering
to
do
it
on
their
own.
So
and
the
money
comes
back
to
us
in
three
years
like
this
is
a
really
great
new
model,
I
think
if
it's
successful,
I'd
love
to
see
it
repeated,
because
we
don't
get
a
lot
of
options
for
home
ownership,
certainly
not
affordable
home
ownership.
I
We
don't
get
a
lot
of
options
for
quick
return
on
the
investment
three
years
we
often
see
like
20
30
refinance
deferred
all
of
things,
and
it's
going
to
continue
the
down
payment
right
to
the
buyer,
which
I
think
is
outstanding,
so
and
I
think
hcd
agreed.
That
was
just
a
great
one.
That's
why
it's
moving
through
with
our
recommendation,
but
I
wanted
to
make
sure
I
shared
my
excitement
for
that,
and
then
I
have
a
couple
others
about
the
others,
but
I
think
there's
a
grander
conversation.
A
I
was
just
going
to
Echo.
This
is
the
first
time
we've
done
it
comprehensively
like
this.
We
not
only
seeing
the
capital
stack,
I,
don't
recall,
always
seeing
the
capital
stack
so
that
that
context
is
great
and
the
total
cost
per
unit,
and
we
have
all
the
information
here
and
what
the
counties
in
it
for
and
I
think
it's
good
for
people
to
see
how
these
are
put
together
and
what
who
all
the
other
funders
are
and
how
the
city
fits
in
fits
into
that.
A
So
the
context
is
very,
very
helpful,
so
I
appreciate
the
format
and
let's
keep
doing
that
format.
AE
M
With
all
other
new
neighborhoods
that
we're
setting
up
for
Success
have
these
developments
been
asked
about
renewable
energy
and
whether
or
not
the
developments
could
be
able
to
plan
in
the
future
if
they
haven't
already
been
planning,
is
essentially
I'm,
hoping
that
it's
a
similar
answer
to
what
could
be
possible
from
what
we
heard.
K
AE
I,
don't
have
a
practice
of
always
asking
these
folks
that
I
did.
Let
them
know
that
you,
you
might
have
a
question.
Yeah
Fairhaven
has
already
appeared
earlier
today
and
I
know
that
you've.
M
I
would
like
to
know
I
think
it's
really
important
for
not
just
for
resilience,
but
also
for
maintaining
deep
affordability
for
longer.
A
J
M
Committee
there's
more
tools
coming
to
the
table
for
being
able
to
have
bulk
solar
purchases
and.
AE
The
developer
very
biolic
for
Stewart,
Street
and
Oak
Hill
uses
panelized
technology
and
has
his
own
Factory
and
he's
here.
It
probably
has
built-in
some
built-in
Energy
Efficiency
into
it,
but
I
can't
speak
to
that.
So.
AI
AI
Thank
you
for
considering
these
projects.
Obviously
you
know
me
from
affordable
housing
committee.
This
is
my
first
time
ever
presenting
my
own
Housing
Trust
Fund
applications.
It's
because
I'm
rolling
off
committee,
so
I
finally
feel
I
can
use
everything
I've
learned
to
prepare
one
of
the
best.
You
know
very
Innovative
proposal
for
you,
so
obviously
the
down
using
the
down
payment
assistance
is
a
big
is
a
big
tool
that
I
have
tried
to
come
up
with
how
to
implement
in
this.
As
far
as
the
Energy
Efficiency.
So
we
are,
we've
moved.
AI
My
company
compact
Cottages
is
building
out
a
prefab
Factory
in
town,
so
we
currently
when
we
build
houses,
I
build
about
50
houses
a
year.
Our
waste
is
minimal
because
we
offside
fabricate
so
we
have
panelized
equipment,
that's
automated
when
we
build
our
houses
and
then
we
own
our
own
crane
for
peace,
putting
them
into
place.
So
if
you
look
on
our
Instagram
pages,
when
we
built
12
houses,
our
entire
waste
was
less
than
a
dumpster
full.
So
we're
very
very
aware
of
that.
AI
My
both
of
my
projects,
that
wasn't
quite
mentioned
in
the
reports
I
think
it's
important
is
that
both
of
these
projects-
I'm
setting
aside
two
units-
what's
that
not
just
for
vouchers
like
we're
going
to
work
with
the
Housing
Authority
for
how
to
how
to
put
voucher
mortgage
payments
into
place,
but
we're
also
I've
also
met
with
Chief
Zack
about
using
we're
setting
aside
in
each
of
these
projects,
two
at
least
two
homes
to
be
for
Community
Heroes
and
that
we
can
use
the
dump.
AI
You
know
maybe
use
some
of
the
down
payment
assistance
for
getting
home
ownership,
opportunities
for
police
officers
and
EMTs
and
fireworkers.
So
so
that's
part
of
you
know
trying
to
util.
You
know
trying
to
learn,
use
everything
I've
learned
from
being.
You
know
on
this
committee
for
years
and
trying
to
put
together
an
Innovative
proposal,
so
you
know
that's
at
least
for
Energy
Efficiency.
You
know
our
our
homes
Are,
all
every
compact
Cottage
is
metal
roof.
You
know
well
insulated.
AI
Thanks
a
lot
it's
possible
for
solar,
you
know
our
houses,
you
know
part
of
what
we've
been
able
to
have
a
hard
time
with
the
recapture
is
because
our
houses
are
built
so
efficient
and
they're
all
small
footprint.
They
are
most
of
our
houses
like
they're
two
stories,
the
whole
Footprints
386
to
480
square
foot.
You
know
the
footprint
so
two
stories
so
when
our
total
utility
bills,
with
all
the
remedy,
splits
and
everything
we're
using,
is
less
than
sixty
dollars
a
month.
AI
Already
it's
hard
to
make
the
recapture
of
solar
work
sometimes,
but
that's
that's
what
we
use.
You
know
we
use
icingine.
You
know
spray
foam
insulation
in
the
ceilings
we
use
metal,
roof
or
rain
water
collections.
You
know,
obviously,
our
construction
methods
produce
minimal
waste,
so
I
think
we're
kind
of
we
take
all
the
boxes
that
it
almost
makes.
It
makes
solar
hard
to
re
to
do
recapture.
Q
Process
fundamentally
gives
you
an
efficiency
that
is
incomparable
to
many,
and
the
fact
that
you'll
use
heat
pumps,
which
are
electric,
goes
towards
the
goal
of
just
electrifying
everything
as
the
grid
becomes
Greener
and
more
and
more
sustainable,
so
you're
not
interested
in
gas
in
the
system.
So
it's
a
pretty
great
start.
Wow.
AI
AI
M
AI
The
city
of
Asheville,
but
but
we
it's
pretty
cool
to
watch
when
we
crane
puzzle
pieces
into
place.
I
H
H
AI
Plan
is
I
met
with
on
the
Stuart
Street
Cottage
I
met
with
David
and
the
Housing
Authority.
You
know,
probably
about
two
years
ago
we
started
the
conversations
just
to
understand
like
who
is
in
the
pipeline
and
also
respecting
that
this,
the
pipeline
to
home
ownership.
It's
a
multi-year
process,
it's
not
something
that
we
can
build
a
house
and
then
people
are
ready
right
away.
So
it's
important
to
identify
the
pipeline
of
those
who
are
in
it
and
have
started
the
process.
A
M
H
So
this
might
be
a
good
time
for
David
Nash
to
come
up
and
explain
to
you
why
it's
important
for
the
housing
authority
to
get
the
grant
instead
of
the
loan
and,
while
he's
on
his
way
up,
I
will
just
mention
that
I
believe
the
Housing
Authority
be
to
be
an
indispensable
partner
with
all
of
our
affordable
housing
needs.
You've
already
seen
two
other
developers
come
before
us
tonight,
getting
by
getting
their
vouchers
through
the
housing
authority
and
so
I
believe.
H
We
really
really
need
this
project
to
move
forward,
because
the
Housing
Authority
plays
such
a
great
role
in
the
pipeline
of
getting
people
off
the
streets
who
are
unhoused,
the
foster
children
that
we
were
just
talking
about.
They
all
need
help
from
the
Housing
Authority.
So
if
we
don't
help
them
reimagine
and
rebuild
d-review
we're
spotting
off
our
no,
you
know
cutting
off
our
nose
despite
our
face
but
I'll.
Let
you
speak.
U
U
This
answer
a
little
bit,
but
I
would
like
to
say
that
we,
you
know
we
we
built
this
model
with
the
Lee
Walker
Maple
Crest
project.
The
city
gave
a
very
generous
Grant
of
4.2
million
dollars
for
that
project,
the
county
matched
that
amount
and
the
Housing
Authority
put
in
4.5
million
dollars
of
our
money.
In
addition
to
building
a
beautiful
new
development,
we
also
made
the
319
Biltmore
using
those
funds
made
the
319
Biltmore
property
buildable
by
another
developer,
and
that's
going
to
move
forward
soon
so
yeah.
U
So
those
are
kind
of
the
technical
reasons
for
it
and
the
Precedence
that
we'd
like
to
see
and
I
think
what
councilwoman
Mosley
is
saying
is
that
we,
we
hope
to
we
hope
to
build
over
time
a
relationship
with
the
city
as
a
development
partner.
One
aspect
of
that
is
project-based
vouchers
and
homeownership
vouchers
for
all
of
these
other
projects.
All
of
these
other
projects
have
requested
them
from
us,
so
we
will
be
putting
in
millions
of
dollars
of
subsidy
over
time
to
help
support
their
their
lowest
income.
U
AK
Hello,
mamir
and
council
members.
Thank
you
for
having
us
and
I
would
just
like
to
add
to
what
David
has
presented
so
far
is
that
partnership
is
key
to
building
a
firm
foundation
and
strong
partners
are
Partners
who
are
well
supported.
The
Housing
Authority
has
had
the
great
luxury
of
having
David
Nash
on
board
and
having
had
a
background
where
he
was
able
to
handle
development
Etc.
We
want
to
be
able
to
come
to
the
tables
and
bring
our
vast
knowledge
and
other
resources.
A
And
I
have
a
on
that
note.
Welcome
to
your
new
position.
You
know
I'm
curious.
As
we
look
at
Redevelopment
of
all
the
public
housing
neighborhoods
in
Asheville.
You
know
we
Lee
Walkers,
it
has
been
now
redeveloped
and
and
deep
review
is
next
and
I
know.
There's
a
line.
A
I
mean
there's,
there's
a
long
line
of
the
future
rebuilds
to
come
and
I
guess
you
know
for
me
and
and
correct
me
if
this
already
exists
or
it's
already
in
the
works,
but
it
would
be
interesting
to
me
to
see
a
10-year
or
15-year
or
20-year
plan
for
for
the
comprehensive
Redevelopment
of
public
housing.
J
A
The
vision
and
the
future
for
what
that's
going
to
look
like
and
and
then
kind
of
the
you
know
the
financial
possibilities
of
how
to
make
that
work,
because
you
know
historically,
public
housing,
of
course
evolved
from
a
federally
funded
program
and
the
last
time
significant
federal
funds
to
my
knowledge
were
contributed
towards
public
housing
was
hope,
six,
which
was
what
20
years
more
ago
or
whatever.
A
So
and
now
they
have
different
programs
and
we
have
the
rad
conversion
and
you
can
do
owner
financing
and
I
mean
I'm,
probably
messing
all
this
up,
but
essentially
there
are
different
tools,
but
they
put
the
burden
back
on
the
local
community,
either
the
Housing
Authority
itself,
or
local
funders,
local
governments
and
other
philanthropic
lenders
and
then
tax
credit
financing,
but
not
large
federal
grants.
So
it
would
be
it
would.
A
You
know
I
just
kind
of
I
wonder
about
how
everyone
else
is
doing
this,
and,
and
how
are
we
are
we
are
we
incorporating
all
the
best
and
the
brightest
ideas
about
how
to
continue
to
do
this
in
this
real
comprehensive
way,
so
that
it
would
because
I
I
want
to
be
able
to
I
I
think
we
it
is,
as
as
councilman
Mosley
said,
I
mean
I.
Think
the
the
you
are
the
major,
affordable
housing
provider
in
the
city
of
Asheville.
A
So
how
do
we
continue
to
support
that
and
anyway,
I
I
would
be
interested
in
a
strategic
partnership
and
thinking
about
that
long-range
planning,
I.
I
Want
to
add
to
that
too
I
agree
and
even
more
specific
to
this
project.
That
has
how
many
phases,
three
four
two
or
three
okay,
because
I'm
going
to
be
supportive
tonight
I
think
we
have
to
get
this
over
the
hill.
It's
gotten
tax
award
it's
there.
I
These
are
the
last
details,
but
there's
a
couple
things
on
the
table:
I
see
that
we
could
do
to
you
grow
our
partnership
to
grow
the
communities,
possibilities
around
housing
and
the
Ford
Street
40
acres
adjacent
to
this
property
that
is
now
City
owned,
comes
to
mind
and
I
know
at
some
point
there
folks
were
at
the
table
talking
about
what
that
might
look
like.
We
were
talking
about
purpose-built
Community
as
an
opportunity
and
I'm
wondering
I,
think
those
conversations
may
have
stalled
out
for
now.
I
I
would
love
to
see
them
come
back
together,
because
what
I'm
seeing
is
a
multi-phase
approach
to
de-review
adjacent
to
some
land
that,
if
done
together,
if
master
plan
together
May
provide
more
opportunities
because
to
me
I
mean
I,
see
that
you're
requesting
the
Grant
I
Was
the
vote
in
the
hcd
against
it
and
I'm
gonna.
I
Ask
Sasha
in
a
minute
to
come
talk
to
her
about
why
that
was
the
staff's
recommendation,
but
when,
if
if
this
is
going
to
be
a
grant
request
for
all
of
the
phases
or
say
we
go
to
Pisgah
view
next
and
that's
the
request,
I
guess
my
hope
would
be
something
bigger
like
for
home
ownership
to
come
out
of
it.
You
know,
like
the
purpose
here,
I
guess.
I
Just
wonder
if
there's
any
brainstorming
around
that,
if
we
could
get
back
around
the
table
around
Ford
Street
on
that
and
I
guess
really
even
more
detailed
about
the
grant
is,
could
we
not
just
do
deferred
payments
and
have
the
same
impact
to
the
capital
stack
to
make
sure
you're
able
to
get
the
rest
of
the
financing?
I
wasn't
real
clear
why
it
had
to
be
a
grant.
It's
a
preferred,
I
hear
that,
but
you
could
achieve
the
capital
stack
if
it
was
just
deferred
payments
right.
U
Let
me
try
to
answer
your
12
questions.
Sorry,
sorry,
David
yeah.
So,
first
of
all
we
are,
we
were
in
conversation
with
the
city
around
the
Fort,
Street
property
and
I
believe
I'll
defer
to
Monique
on
that.
But
I
think
we
would
absolutely
be
interested
in
renewing
those
conversations
at
some
point
in
the
future.
They
were
paused
because
we
needed
to
move
forward
with
something
on
the
d
review
project.
So
we
started
with
this
phase.
U
One
project
and
I
I
think
that
would
have
to
involve
other
partners,
not
just
the
housing
authority
and
the
city,
but
it.
J
U
Be
a
way
to
spread
the
units
that
we'd
like
to
build
a
deaverview
out
some
in
that
area.
Secondly,
and
I
think
we
wrote
If
I
didn't
write
this
in
the
grant.
It's
my
mistake,
but
the
the
plan
for
the
div
review
property
will
include.
Homeownership
will
include
affordable
home
ownership
and
and
as
soon
as
we
can
get
phase
one
off
the
ground,
we
want
to.
U
You
know,
move
forward
with,
maybe
what
we
should
have
done
first,
which
is
a
master
plan
for
the
entire
property
and
include
homeownership
opportunities
in
that
in
the
320
units
that
we'd
like
to.
We
currently
have
75
homeowners
in
the
housing,
Choice
voucher,
homeownership
program,
and
we
definitely
look
forward
to
the
partnership
with
Mr
Bialik
75.
U
75
that
are
actively
purchasing
their
homes
and
and
we're
paying
helping
them
pay
their
mortgages.
That's
great
and
we'd
like
to
grow
that
over
time
with
our
new
status
as
a
moving
to
work
agency,
we've
asked
for
a
special
waiver
from
HUD
to
be
able
to
expand
that
program
so
that
it's
more
than
it
currently
is,
and
and
deaverview
and
Ford,
Street
and
other
other
locations,
Stewart
Street
and
Oak
Hill.
If
that
one
becomes
a
reality,
are
definitely
places
where
that
could
happen.
U
The
the
reason
it
needs
to
be
a
grant
and
it's
Technical
and
is
we
would
like
well
with
the
Lee
Walker
project.
What
we
were
able
to
do
was
assemble
that
money
and
place
a
second
secured
mortgage
on
the
property
that
will
not
be
repaid
unless
there's
Surplus
cash,
so
it
probably
won't
be
repaid
for
a
long
period
of
time.
U
But
if,
if
for-profit
developer
come
came
in
and
wanted
to
purchase
the
Maplecrest
property,
they
would
have
to
pay
off
our
loan,
which
is
that
assembles
12.5
million
dollars
that
that
we
made
to
the
project
and
and
that
so
that's
how
the
Housing
Authority
can
say.
Yes,
we
will
make
a
commitment
of
Perpetual
affordability
to
you.
That's
the
technical
reason
and-
and
the
more
practical
reason
is
we're
asking
this
the
county
to
do
that,
and-
and
we
absolutely
need
the
Dogwood
Health
Trust
to
come
through
with
2.5
million
dollar
Grant.
U
If,
if
their
only
option
is
a
interest
bearing
loan,
then
our
project
is
dead.
This.
I
U
And
whereas
they
are
leaving
the
grant
option
open
when
they
weren't
clear
on
exactly
the
funding
source.
So
what
we're
asking
you
as
our
strongest
supporter
in
the
past
and
our
sister
agency,
is
to
follow
the
precedent
that
has
been
established
with
the
Maple
Crest
project
and
help
us
Finance
this
project
in
this
way.
In
exchange
for
that,
we
will
continue
to
be
a
strong
partner,
help
to
support
the
other
projects
that
we're
talking
about
and
utilize.
What.
I
I
U
Zero
interest
loan-
it
doesn't
affect
our
borrowing
power,
but
it
but
it,
but
it
would
affect
I,
think
it
would
affect.
We
would
have
a
stronger
case
to
make
to
our
other
funders
if
we
have
a
commitment
of
a
grant
from
the
city
which
we
already
have
a
commitment
of
a
grant
for
1.5
million.
Almost
we're
just
asking
you
to
add
a
million
dollars
to
that
Grant
yeah.
R
K
U
I
A
Partners,
that's
why
I
would
ask
that
in
in
a
in
a
planning
document
like
that,
there's
an
exhaustive
look
at
you
know
how
is
Redevelopment
of
public
housing
managed
today,
given
the
state
of
our
federal
government
and
what
they
are
not
no
longer
doing
when
it
comes
to
funding.
How
are
housing
authorities
best
leveraging
funds
to
redevelop
their
neighborhoods,
given
the
conditions
we're
all
you
know
shared
across
the
country
and
I'm
I'm,
assuming
it's
a
combination
and
I
know.
This
is
just
rhetorical
I'm.
Just
saying
I'm,
just
saying
that
that,
because
you're
struggling
is.
U
I
I
But
we
also
want
the
project
to
happen.
So
I
guess
the
question
is:
would
they
come
back
to
us
for
more.
U
Have
we
have
a
lot
of
requests
in
the
hopper
they're
going
to
be
taken
one
by
one?
This
is
the
the
second
one
in
line
after
our
own
commitment
for
this
year,
not
counting
the
two
that
were
done
last
year,
we're
going
to
keep
trying
to
make
this
project
work
and
if
the
funding
doesn't
come
through,
we'll
drop
back
and
make
a
new
plan-
and
you
know,
come
back
next
year
and.
K
I
Just
it's
not
bad.
I
Feel
like
if
your
most
important
partner
is
what
we
said:
you're
also
housing,
some
of
our
most
vulnerable
citizens,
so
I
feel
like
more
information.
More
clarity
is
pertinent
in
some
of
these
situations
when
we're
dealing
with
such
strong
partners
and
such
vulnerable
community
members,
that's
where
I'm
coming
from
and
I
know
we're
not
going
to
get
to
that
tonight,
but
I'm
encouraging
it
in
the
future
I'm
encouraging
a
master
plan,
I'm,
encouraging
understanding
the
whole
phrases
I.
M
J
M
People
who
currently
live
in
deep
review
and
that,
because
that
is
so
intentional
I'm
hopeful
and
supportive,
but
it's
easier
to
express
that
support
when
we're
staying
in
Partnership.
So
right
now
we
have
a
lot
of
hopes
and
a
lot
of
big
plans,
but
what?
If
the
funding
falls
through
and
if
we,
if
it
ends
up
in
a
place
where
people
are
being
displaced
again,
then
I
think
that's
the
big
concern.
M
AK
We
provide
the
housing
whether
the
deal
goes
through
the
first
time,
the
second
time,
the
third
time,
the
fourth
time
we
still
have
an
obligation
and
we've
made
long-term
commitments
for
the
life
of
the
the
community,
and
so
when
we
talk
about
these
things
and
I
would
be
more
than
happy
to
get
in
a
room
with
you
all
to
have
a
discussion.
There
are
a
couple
of
things
that
I've
noticed.
AK
Then
you
talk
about
a
little
bit
about
what
I've
seen
across
the
country
or,
what's
out
there,
I
think
that
there
are
methodologies
and
things
and
concerns
that
I
I
have
we
have
to
make
sure
that
our
organization
is
as
strong
as
possible
so
that
we
can
meet
those
needs
having
the
developer
fee
deferred
or
giving
putting
our
developer
fee
in
there.
AK
If
I
were
in
any
other
lifetime
that
I've
lived,
those
developer
fees
helped
me
do
those
reports,
those
developer
fees
helped
me
hire
effective,
efficient
staff
who
are
able
to
do
actual
development
as
what
they
do.
It
helps
me
to
work
with
my
planners
and
my
Architects
and
designers
to
make
sure
that
we
have
the
best
quality,
efficient
housing
with
the
bike.
AK
Lanes
people
want,
with
multimodal
in
consideration
with
504
or
Ada
accessibility,
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
just
meeting
the
needs
of
those
that
are
in
front
of
our
face,
but
those
that
sometimes
fly
under
the
radar
and
so
the
stronger
we
can
have
our
partner.
That
means
we
have
to
have.
Excuse
me,
the
stronger
our
partners,
that's
the
stronger
our
partnership
and
so
I
believe
that
the
Housing
Authority
has
demonstrated
a
commitment
and
we're
here.
We're
ready
and
we're
open
to
talk
about.
AK
J
AE
Sure
I
mean
I,
think
those
reasons
are
outlined
in
the
staff
report
and
this
presentation
I
mean
and
some
of
the
reasons
come
to
some
of
the
questions
you've
been
asking.
AE
And
so
that
said
and
I
know,
the
Housing
Authority
has
committed
to
Perpetual
affordability.
Generally
speaking,
we
it
just
loans,
help
us
be
at
the
table
and
kind
of
that.
Continuing
partnership
and.
I
It's
a
replenishing,
Loan
Fund,
now,
I
guess
you
know.
Councilwoman
Mosley
has
made
great
points
in
the
past
that
this
actually
came
to
us
before
we
moved
the
money
into
the
HTF.
This
project
did
not
this
ask
so
I
feel,
like
that's
a
little
bit
of
a
gray
area,
so
it
makes
sense
I'm
not
clear
if
they're
always
going
to
ask
for
a
grant,
but
I
did
want
to
acknowledge
the
staff's
recommendation
was
alone
and
for
these
reasons,
and
that's
I
supported
them
in
hcd.
I
A
Yeah
I
mean
I
I
appreciate
the
quandary
about
the
loan
versus
Grant,
I,
guess
I,
just
you
know,
as
so
many
more
things
get
pushed
to
local
governments
to
Bear
the
burden
of
I.
Think
supporting
our
public
housing
agency
is
one
of
them.
It's
unfortunate
to
be
more.
It
would
be
ideal
if
the
federal
government
continued
to
see
the
importance
of
of
the
function
of
public
housing
in
our
in
our
communities
and
just
but
that's
been.
The
shift
over
the
years
is
to
put
more
and
more
weight
on
us.
So
so
I
think
this.
A
You
know
to
me
it's
sort
of
a
fundamental
question
about
whether
or
not
you
want
to
continue
with
the
concept
of
supporting
public
housing
and
voucher-based
housing
like
this
in
our
community
or
not
and
and
it
and
so
to
to
me
I.
You
know
we
do
have
to
balance
the
fact
that
we
have
a
Loan
Fund
and
the
idea
is
to
keep
it
recurring.
So
it's
available
for
future
housing
needs
balance
that
with
also
needing
to
support
a
public
housing
entity
in
our
in
our
community,
so
that's
kind
of
where,
where
it
falls
down.
H
Move
to
approve
the
recommended,
Housing
Trust
trust
fund
allocations
in
the
amount
of
four
million
three
hundred
eighty
seven
thousand
eight
hundred
and
fifty
dollars
for
four
development
projects
which
will
produce
239
units
in
affordable
housing
with
the
reimagining
diver
view
project
to
be
in
the
form
of
a
grant.
Instead
of
a
loan
and
direct
the
city
manager
to
continue
negotiations
with
Oak
Hill
cottages
and
conduct
Community
engagement
on
potential
development
options
for
the
Oak
Hill
site.
AC
Thanks
for
having
me
I'm
Rachel,
Taylor,
Economic,
Development,
specialist
and
the
community
and
Economic
Development
Department
I'm
here
to
talk
about
the
Strategic
partnership
grant
program,
so
we
issued
a
second
round
of
applications
after
our
pilot
program
last
year.
So
this
year
we
received
23
applications
between
February,
22nd
and
March
31st,
and
we
kept
the
same
scope
of
addressing
the
opportunity
gap
for
school-aged
children
from
low
to
moderate
income
households.
AC
We
heard
presentations
from
applicant
agencies
on
April
13th
and
that
was
followed
by
finalized
funding
recommendations
from
the
evaluation
panel
on
April
18th.
The
equity
and
engagement
committee
reviewed
recommendations
from
the
evaluation
panel
and
made
final
recommendations
to
fund
six
agencies
at
a
total
of
356
209
dollars.
AC
So,
as
I
mentioned,
the
scope
for
this
year's
Grant
remained
consistent
with
the
pilot
to
address
the
impacts
of
the
opportunity
Gap
by
supporting
a
school-aged
youth
from
low
to
moderate
income
households.
For
this
year's
program,
we
also
streamlined
streamlined,
Communications
and
administrative
requirements
by
updating
the
application
process.
AC
We
increased
the
award
minimum
to
thirty
five
thousand
dollars
per
program
and
we
provided
award
recommendations
or
the
evaluation
panel
provided
award
recommendations
based
on
full
funding
for
requests.
So
this
table
kind
of
walks
you
through,
where
we
were
with
the
pilot,
how
we
got
to
our
recommended
amount
for
this
fiscal
year.
So
that's
that
grant
program
balance
as
of
August
2022
that
335
500.,
we
anticipate
a
funding,
a
budget
allocation
of
242
000.
AC
J
AC
And
before
we
head
into
the
the
key
takeaways
and
questions,
I
want
to
make
a
note
that
at
the
April
18th
equity
and
engagement
committee,
we
were
staff
were
asked
to
come
back
after
the
closeout
of
the
pilot
agreements,
with
an
updated
number
for
the
remainder
for
fiscal
year
24..
So
we
do
anticipate
coming
back
to
the
equity
engagement
committee.
AC
We
in
February
I
think
that
was
February
21st.
We
recommended
that
all
Grant
recipients
need
to
be
fully
invoiced
within
60
days
of
their
agreement
ending
date.
So
after
June
30th
of
this
year,
we'll
be
able
to
come
back
so
that
will
be
the
end
of
August.
Early
September
we'd
be
able
to
come
back
with
that
total
number.
AC
And
so
here
are
the
key
takeaways
I
will
pause.
I
know,
there's
probably
a
lot
of
discussion,
so
I'll
pause
for
for
questions
there.
Okay,.
M
I
just
want
to
reiterate
some
of
the
things
that
I
heard
in
the
community
following
our
Equity
engagement
committee
and
also
from
the
public
comments
earlier
today.
I
know
that
we
have
so
many
needs
in
our
community
and
we
don't
have
enough
funding
for
this,
and
we
need
to
find
more
I
do
hear
a
potential
solution
to
revisit
this
at
the
equity
and
engagement
committee
and
see
if
we
can
find
some
more
Partnerships,
but
just
fundamentally
maybe
like
five
or
six
years
ago,
I
was
like.
M
Maybe
we
should
just
fully
fund
some
projects
and
really
get
behind
them,
because
the
partial
funding
seemed
like
we
weren't
really
getting
behind
folks.
But
we
just
had
this
whole
conversation
on
housing
about
how
folks
use
our
partnership
funding
to
leverage
other
funding
opportunities,
and
so
through
the
past
couple
years.
I've
I've
realized
that
when
we
stand
by
someone
part
of
the
way
is
showing
that
trust
and
that
partnership
so
I
want
to
support
the
full
funding
I'm
going
to
vote
in
support
of
this
today,
because
I
want
to
get
behind.
M
This
I
want
to
try
something
new
and
I
did
look
at
the
pilot
programs
and
when
I
saw
the
groups
like
ytl,
for
example,
applied
for
funding
Drew
down
the
funding,
provided
the
programming
worked
with
our
youth
I
was
like
wait,
that's
a
partnership
that
seems
successful
and
now
we're
not
funding.
It
looks
like
a
d,
partnering
and
I.
Don't
think
that's
the
goal.
M
We
just
need
to
find
more
funding,
so
I'm
not
inclined
to
want
to
hold
and
hoard
resources,
but
we
have
so
many
issues
happening
right
now,
so
it
feels
like
to
me.
This
is
a
both
and
it's
both.
Let's
try
this
new
process,
Let's
Get
Behind,
these
organizations.
M
We
didn't
follow
exactly
the
scoring
rubric,
so
it
has
like
still
some
questions
for
me
about
like
well.
You
know
we
still
have
to
tweak
this,
but
while
we're
learning
new
things,
let's
go
ahead
and
get
behind
some
of
the
partners
and
for
the
public.
That's
watching.
It's
super
late,
I
get
it.
There
was
a
second-ish
bucket
tier
in
our
documents
presented.
So
while
the
the
committee
did
recommend
full
funding
for
these
six
organizations,
there
was
also
a
second
tier
of
recommendations
for
for
partial
funding
and
I.
M
Don't
think
we
have
to
go
to
the
whole
process
again.
My
suggestion
would
be
that
we
get
behind
those
partial
funding
options
with
the
221
that
we
have
and
let's
go,
find
some
more
funding
for
the
things
that
we
care
about,
including
strategic
partnership
funds,
because
if
we
were
so,
if
we
use
all
of
our
resources
now,
which
I
think
we
should
and
not
hoard
they're
going
to
have
to
find
more
for
next
year,
too.
I
Yeah
I
think
you
know
we
had
a
great
conversation
in
the
committee
about
this
and
I.
Think
I,
don't
remember
if
it
was
in
committee
or
in
follow-ups,
but
other
things
said,
like
you
know,
there's
some
parts
of
this
program
that
could
be
strengthened.
I
guess
it's
all
I
think
it
was
councilwoman
Smith.
That
said
this,
it's
mostly
reimbursement.
Could
we
do
upfront
funding?
Can
we
strengthen
the
Partnerships
so
they
don't
have
to
be
so
reliant
on
a
reimbursement.
I
I'm
ready
to
proceed.
I
think
if
there's
a
way
to
get
at
what
you're
doing
I
could
be
supportive
and.
M
M
O
O
To
allocate
the
Strategic
partnership
grant
program
funding
Awards
as
shown
below
and
authorized
the
city
manager
to
execute
the
grant
agreements
with
further
direction
to
pursue
an
additional
round
of
funding.
Following
the
conclusion
of
the
pilot
Grant
agreements
that
are
set
to
end
on
June
30
2023.,.
A
O
Them
please,
so
we
were
also
looking
at
93
000
that
was
left
on
the
table,
because
organizations
who
were
funded
doing
the
pilot
program
were
unable
to
draw
down
fully
on
their
Awards.
So
I
I
made
some
telephone
calls
to
try
to
figure
out
what
the
barrier
was,
because
you
know
in
our
conversation
with
staff
we
ran
into,
they
stated
that
some
of
the
barriers
may
be
the
invoice
schedule
or
organization's
not
having
having
invoices,
but
they
might
not
be
approved
because
they
don't
have
enough
supporting
documents
for
approval.
O
So
I
wanted
to
take
a
look
at
our
invoice
process
to
see
if
there's
any
way
that
we
can
better
our
process.
So
it
won't
be
such
a
tug
of
war,
but
also
a
lot
of
organizations
who
are
reliant
on
funders
and
donors.
They
have
cash
flow
issues,
so
they're
doing
the
work
and
they're
doing
exactly
what
they
said
that
they
were
going
to
do,
but
it
if
they
don't
have
cash
flow,
then
they
have
to
wait
for
funding
to
come
in
and
abide
by
our
reimbursement
process.
O
So
maybe
we
don't
need
a
full
reimbursement
process
for
organizations
who
are
small
and
have
who
have
small
annual
budgets.
Maybe
we
can
figure
out
how
to
provide
some
type
of
cash
advance,
something
that's
fair
for
those
organizations,
so
they
can
get
started
doing
the
work
immediately
for
summer
programming
or
the
beginning
of
the
school
year
and
not
have
the
barrier
of
trying
to
wait
until
money
comes
in
before
they
can
abide
to
our
partnership.
You
know,
so
we
need
to
tweak
a
lot
of
stuff
so
could.
A
O
But
anyway,
so
I
thought
that,
with
along
with
the
technical
support
scope,
we
need
to
figure
out
how
to
help
organizations
who
have
cash
flow
issues.
So
I've
been
talking.
I
have
some
ideas
aside
from
us,
giving
some
cash
advance.
Med
I.
Think
one
of
our
community
development
directors
proposed
that
in
the
past,
maybe
two
directives
ago,
I.
K
J
O
O
A
J
A
Any
opposed
all
right.
Thank
you
very
much.
Okay.
We
have
reached
general
public
comment
folks,
who
are
signed
up
for
general
public
comment.
You'll
have
three
minutes
to
speak.
Watch
the
lights
on
the
left
turn
the
first
person
signed
up
to
speak
is
Sandy
Eldridge.
W
All
women,
yes,
so
there's
an
urgency
for
more
buses
for
the
city,
I'm
on
the
transit
committee
and
I,
know
I'm
speaking
for
hundreds
more
people
than
myself,
because
I
do
use
transit
for
transportation
because
we
are
down
buses
actually
right
now
there
are
routes
that
are
not
being
facilitated
because
of
buses
because
of
buses
breaking
down.
I
was
on
a
bus,
the
other
day
the
broke
down
and
I'm
just
curious,
because
I've
talked
with
people
with
the
city
and
supposedly
we
had
buses
coming
from
Canada.
W
We
were
waiting
on
buses
to
be
inspected
in
Florida
and
I
think
it
was
WLOS
that
made
the
notification
that
the
Federal
Transportation
Administration
was
offering
a
grant
for
three
buses
and
two
batteries.
Now
what
is
happening
with
that?
I?
Don't
know,
because
at
one
of
the
transit
meetings,
somebody's.
W
Was
well,
we
don't
know
if
we're
going
to
do
that
or
not
so,
and
you
talk
about
vulnerable
population,
so
that's
the
people
that
ride
the
buses.
Okay,
a
majority
of
black
population
for
the
buses,
okay,
so
I
think
it's
very
important
to
address
this
issue
because
number
one
there
there
is
a
safety
issue.
That's
that's
number
one!
W
Okay
and
number
two
is
providing
that
transportation
for
people
who
desperately
need
it,
who
don't
have
the
option
at
this
time,
for
whatever
reason,
if
you
guys
could
look
into
that,
that
would
be
very
much
appreciated
because
we
desperately
desperately
need
more
buses.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
L
Hello
again,
city
council,
I'm,
still
Timothy
Sadler
five
hours
later.
No
really
it's
it's
been
great
to
to
be
in
attendance
today.
Tonight
really
have
wonderful
things
to
say
about
the
city
council.
You
know,
I
know
that
it's
sometimes
thankless
job
and
I
think
you
know.
Y'all
are
doing
a
really
great
job
up
here.
L
So
I
did
want
to
say
that
and
also
wanted
to
say
you
know
thank
you
to
Barry
Bialik,
because
you
know
to
the
idea
of
being
able
to
use
the
vouchers
for
city-owned
mortgages
seemed
crazy
a
few
years
ago,
but
somehow
he's
been
able
to
manage
to
do
it
and
I
think
he
deserves
just
yeah.
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
Barry
and
then
really
what
I
was
waiting
to
speak
about
this
whole
time
is
our
relationship
with
McCormick
field.
L
I
want
to
make
sure
that
there's
Clarity
in
terms
of
how
we
are
going
to
be
able
to
utilize
the
field
just
for
reference.
I
had
gone
in
there
at
one
point
and
spoke
with.
You
know
Brian
about
potentially
having
a
concert
there
and
he
said
well,
you
know
you
could
do
that,
but
you're
going
to
have
to
use
our
management
company
and
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
very
clear.
L
So
that
was
the
main
thing
I
want
to
say
and
then
also
follow
up
with
my
daddy
taught
me
that,
and
you
know
the
need
for
the
the
the
facility
to
be
built
out
and
well
essentially
how
they
could
work
with
another
issue
that
we
have
here
in
the
city,
which
is
finding
black
owned,
General
Contractors
to
bid
and
how
we
potentially
could
you
know,
look
at
this
project
as
a
way
to
build
up
a
pipeline
of
future
General
Contractors.
L
And
how
could
we,
as
a
city,
you
know,
facilitate
something
like
that,
just
as
a
creative,
you
know
thought
process.
So
that's
kind
of
why
I
hung
in
here
to
to
to
to
give
these
comments
and
I.
Thank
you
for
your
attention.
A
Thank
you,
Jonathan
Wainscott,.
AL
Slate
saw
only
take
three
minutes
tonight:
yeah
yeah
I
had
a
ton
of
stuff
to
deal
with
so
I
guess
now
is
not
the
best
time
to
ask
for
you
guys
to
change
the
entire
election
system.
Of
course,
that's
what
I'm
going
to
do
and
I
just
want
to
thank
Antoinette
Mosley
for
sort
of
picking
up
what
I've
been
laying
down
the
last
meeting.
AL
You
know
I,
come
to
these
meetings
and
I've
been
talking
about
the
history
of
Asheville
as
it
pertains
to
our
election
system
and
it's
you
know
something
that
I
find
to
be
very
important:
I
don't
come
to
City
Mount
Council
meetings
just
to
torture
and
tease
my
crush
on
Maggie
Burleson.
You
know,
I.
Just
think
that
this
is
something
that
we
need
to
do
and.
AD
AL
I,
don't
really
have
much
prepared
to
talk
about
that,
so
I
guess
my
ask
is
that
the
city
council,
you
know,
bring
forth
a
referendum
for
the
people
and
that
we
have
a
robust
conversation
about
this.
This
was
lacking
in
our
original
formation
of
this
government.
Black
community
was
disenfranchised
for
decades
before
that
and
continued
to
be
disenfranchised
because
of
the
way
that
we
set
up
the
system,
and
you
know
that
came
right
out
of
Asheville.
AL
I
talked
to
the
Department
of
equity
and
inclusion
about
this,
and
they
said
this
isn't
really
in
their
wheelhouse
reparations
process
doesn't
seem
to
have
a
place
for
this
to
actually
fit
neatly,
though,
that
is
a
process,
that's
growing,
and
hopefully
something
will
come
out
of
that,
but
you
know
bring
forth
that
referendum
and
then,
whatever
powers
that
you
have
for
proclamations
and
resolutions,
to
ask
for
the
amendment
that
disenfranchised
black
community
in
1900
to
be
removed
from
the
North
Carolina
Constitution,
it's
still
there.
AL
It
can't
be
used,
but
you
know
it
has
no
place
in
our
modern
Constitution.
So
if
Asheville
is
going
to
lead
the
way
in
these
efforts,
you
know
I
would
hope
that
this
historic
for
so
many
reasons,
Council
takes
all
that
stuff
up
and
I
hope
that
you
have
a
good
night
late
nights
make
early
mornings
and
I
hope
that
you
all
have
a
beautiful
one
and
get
a
good
night's
sleep.
Thanks.