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B
Good
morning,
I'm
vice
mayor,
shanika
smith
and
chair
of
public
safety
committee.
I
would
like
to
welcome
you
all
to
the
october
26
meeting.
All
council,
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually
to
help
our
audience
follow
along
off-stage
section
of
the
agenda
aloud.
We
are
streaming
live
on
the
virtual
engagement
hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city
website.
B
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B
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you
are
listening
to
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please
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right
now
I'll
go
through
and
introduce
all
the
committee
members
and
staff
who
are
participating
virtually
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make
sure
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call
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name,
please
give
a
quick
good
morning
or
hello
councilwoman
sandra
kilbour,.
B
A
We
do
we
have
a
couple
folks
I'll,
let
you
know
when
we
reach
the
last
caller.
Okay.
E
E
At
the
time
the
written
consent
policy
was
being
worked
on.
We
at
b
loved
asheville,
really
pressed
for
written
consent
for
pedestrians
and
people
on
bicycles,
knowing
so
many
people
in
our
community
that
this
impacts
directly,
particularly
people
of
color
and
people
of
low
wealth.
E
One
of
the
things
that
happened
just
prior
to
and
just
after
the
written
consent
for
vehicles
was
passed
is
that
city
manager,
deborah
campbell
personally
said
to
me,
give
me
six
months,
give
me
six
months
to
work
on
this,
which
we
did
and
then
shortly
after
that
said,
we'll
get
this
done
to
me
personally,
it's
past
time
to
get
this
done,
I
want
to
say
that
my
colleague
and
co-director
at
beloved,
asheville
and
pancho
bermejo,
who
is
a
latinx
man
in
our
community,
was
personally
stopped
and
searched
while
a
pedestrian
and
also
stopped
and
ticketed
in
a
wrongful
manner,
while
on
a
bicycle
which
was
thrown
out
in
court
later,
and
so
I've
heard
many
personal
stories
of
this
impact
in
our
community,
and
so
I
ask
for
your
leadership
today
and
in
the
future
and
making
sure
that
written
consent
is
available
to
all
the
people
that
live
in
our
community.
F
Thank
you
good
morning,
public
safety
committee
and
city
staff,
I'm
keaton
hill,
an
asheville
resident.
I
appreciate
reverend
cantrell's
comments
and
want
to
support
those.
I'm
also
calling
to
ask
that
you
recommend
to
the
city
manager
and
to
council
to
expand
the
written
consent
policy
to
search
to
include
all
people
using
all
modes
of
transportation,
not
only
vehicles
as
we
seek
to
repair
the
harm
of
police
abuse,
such
as
officer
hickman.
With
mr
rush,
who
was
a
pedestrian,
the
current
policy
falls
short.
F
G
Good
morning,
are
you
hearing
me?
Yes,
we
can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
okay,
yeah
good
morning,
members
of
the
public
safety
committee
and
the
staff
and
those
who
are
in
on
this.
This
call-
I
am
the
reverend
jim
abbott,
a
resident
of
asheville
and
a
former,
now
retired,
pastor
of
saint
matthias
episcopal
church,
and
I'm
here
today
to
join
the
others
in
speaking
in
favor,
of
requiring
that
police
officers
obtain
a
written
consent
from
pedestrians,
cyclists
and
wheelchair-bound
individuals
before
being
able
to
search
their
person
or
their
personal
property.
G
By
way
of
context,
I
want
to
remind
us
all
of
the
fourth
amendment
of
the
bill
of
rights
in
the
u.s
constitution,
which
addresses
searches
and
arrest
warrants.
It
reads
the
right
of
the
people
to
be
secure
in
their
persons,
houses
papers
and
effects
against
unreasonable
searches
and
seizures
shall
not
be
violated
and
no
warrants
shall
issue
but
upon
probable
cause
supported
by
oath
or
affirmation
and
particularly
describing
the
place
to
be
searched
and
the
or
things
to
be
seized.
G
This
nation,
they
declared,
was
to
be
a
nation
where
certain
civil
rights
are
guaranteed
in
order
to
protect
citizens
from
governmental
tyranny,
intimidation,
political
pressure
or
personal
prevalence
prejudice
to
the
city's
credit
you.
We
have
already
extended
this
right
to
motorists,
who
are
stopped
initially
for
a
traffic
violation,
but
who,
in
the
past,
have
often
had
their
persons
and
or
their
vehicles
search
without
permission
and
without
any
concrete
evidence
simply
because,
based
solely
on
their
race
or
their
appearance,
they
were
suspected
of
maybe
harboring
drugs
or
other
contraband.
G
So
all
we're
asking
is
that
you
extend
this
right
to
non-motorists
as
well.
Not
only
do
we
believe
that
it
will
further
protect
people
from
being
profiled
and
treated
unfairly,
but
we
also
believe
it
will
help
build
greater
trust
and
respect
for
our
police
officers
as
well,
leaving
the
community
safe.
G
B
Thank
you
and
thank
you
to
our
callers,
we'll
move
on
to
the
approval
of
the
minutes.
Can
I
get
a
motion
and
a
second
to
approve
the
minutes?
B
Second,
okay.
I'll.
Do
a
roll
call
vote
to
approve
the
motion?
When
I
say
your
name
just
say
I
or
a
name:
councilwoman
killed,
laura
hi,
councilwoman
rony
I
and
myself
I
minutes
have
been
approved.
The
only
other
item
that
we
have
on
our
agenda
is
an
update
on
our
written
consent
to
search
policy.
D
D
As
the
vice
mayor
stated,
today's
presentation
is
an
update
on
where
we're
at
with
written
consent
to
search.
So
if
we
could
get
started
jenna,
please,
our
key
takeaways
vehicles
searched
by
apd
officers
are
quite
rare.
D
D
The
written
consent
to
search
vehicle
policy
was
implemented
on
october
30th
of
2019.
D
That
policy
can
be
found
online
on
the
city
website.
It's
policy
605
under
warrantless
searches.
The
policy
only
requires
written
consent
to
search
vehicles
and
or
real
property.
If
an
individual
does
not
want
to
sign
the
consent
to
search
for
them,
they
can
provide
verbal
agreement,
which
is
recorded
on
body,
worn
camera.
D
D
The
demographic
breakdown
on
that
is
75.
77
of
those
searches
were
conducted
on
white
persons
and
22
percent
on
black
persons.
D
Only
424
were
consent,
searches
and
again
you
can
see
the
the
breakdown
of
66
white
and
33
on
black
persons.
Less
than
one
in
five
conducted
searches
conducted
are
consent
based
just
looking
at
2021.
D
This
sample
size
is
insufficient
to
draw
meaningful
conclusions
next,
please,
as
you
can
see,
going
back
to
2018
in
2017,
actually,
both
of
those
years
129
vehicle
consent,
searches
after
the
policy
was
implemented
in
2019.
D
D
during
the
12
months
prior
to
the
october
30th
implementation
apd
conducted
on
average
nine
consent
searches
per
month,
since
the
policy
was
implemented,
that
the
monthly
consent
to
search
account
has
dropped
to
only
two.
D
Next,
please,
since
january
1st
2018
18
apd
has
received
only
four
complaints
alleging
an
illegal
search.
There
was
one
in
2018
one
in
2019,
two
in
2020
and
in
2021
there
have
been
zero.
Each
of
these
was
thoroughly
investigated
by
the
professional
standards
unit
and
each
of
those
complaints
were
found
to
be
unfounded.
D
C
Yes,
back
in
2017
and
2018
when
you
had
those
129
the
incidents
that
occurred
I'd
just
like
to
know
yeah.
Thank
you,
yeah
vehicle
and
consent
searches.
What
is
the
percentage
of
those
searches
that
actually?
Actually
you
know
something
was
recovered
to?
Actually
you
know
that
you
were
able
to
move
forward
on.
D
Councilman
those
predated
me,
I
don't
know
what
the
tracking
mechanism
was
in
2017
2018,
what
the
results
of
those
searches
were.
I
will
look
into
it
to
see
if
we
can
find
that,
but
I
don't
have
that
information
today.
C
Okay,
thank
you.
That's
that's
one
concern,
but
do
you
have
it
for
2019
or
2020
to
give
us
an
idea?
I
would
just
like
to
know
with
those
searches.
What
were
you
able
to
you
know
accomplish?
Were
they.
D
B
Any
other
questions
I
do
have
a
question
about
the
collection
of
data
concerning
our
concerning
complaints.
B
I'm
wondering
if
there
is
any
other
way
that
we
can
track
complaints
made
to
courts
outside
of
the
d.a
office,
because
it
seems
like
our
information,
the
information
you
share
concerning
the
integrity
unit
and
the
partnership
with
the
da
office.
It's
just
strictly
around
whether
the
case
was
dismissed
based
on
a
legal
search,
but
I
want
I
would
like
to
know
if
complaints
were
made
to
the
courts
and
how?
How
do
we
track
that.
D
When,
when
we
established
the
unit,
you
know-
and
we
sat
down
with
the
district's
attorney's
office,
we
weren't
really
basing
that
on
complaints,
what
we
were
asking
the
district
attorney
to
seriously
review
our
cases
and
advise
us
if
they
saw
any
problems
with
illegality,
so
it
was
not
necessarily
com
complaint
based.
It
was
you
review
these
investigations.
You
review
these
cases.
Are
you
seeing
a
problem
with
what
apd
officers
are
doing
so
we
weren't
it
was
proactive.
D
We
were
not
waiting
for
complaints
to
come
in,
we
were
waiting
or
we
were
asking
the
d.a
to
advise
us
if
they
were
seeing
any
problems
whatsoever,
so
we
could
make
corrections
and
again
to
date
there
hasn't
been
a
single
case
where
the
d.a
has
said.
I
saw
a
problem
here,
so
that's
kind
of
where
we're
at
so
we're
being
proactive.
We're
not
we're
not
waiting
for
a
complaint
to
come
in
we're
asking
the
d.a
to
really
review
our
cases
and
let
us
know
if
they
see
a
problem
with
legality.
B
Yeah
and
I
get
that,
but
I
just
wanted
to
present
preference,
whether
the
cases
that
have
been
dismissed
based
on
a
legal
search-
and
I
would
like
to
just
to
gather
a
better
narrative
about
complaints
made,
or
maybe
maybe
individuals
who
stated
that
there
was
an
issue
with
a
search
or
issue
with
a
stop
whether
the
case
was
dismissed,
thrown
out
of
court
or
not.
B
I
just
want
a
better,
better
story,
because
we
understand
in
times
past
people
have
complained
about
not
feeling
comfortable
reporting
to
apd
or
individuals,
saying
that
they
did
make
a
complaint
before
the
court
of
law,
but
it
was,
it
did
not
stand
up
in
court
and
I
think
that's
better
for
the
community
to
hear
and
know
also.
This
is
my
first
time
hearing
about
the
integrity
unit
that
was
formed
in
2020.
B
I
just
want
to
know
more
information
and
maybe
at
the
next
public
safety
meeting
about
their
their
formation
and
their
work.
And
let's
see
if
we
can
work
together
to
stand
that
unit
up
and
yeah.
I
just
want
to
know
more
about
them,
because
it
seems
like
a
great
direction
that
they're
going,
but
I
need
to
know
more
information
to
have
more
oversight.
D
D
At
this
time,
our
staff
is
recommending
delaying
expanding
this
policy
until
officers
were
both
trained
and
policy
was
put
into
practice
for
traffic
stops.
I
believe
that
was
a
consideration
when
the
when
the
policy
first
went
into
effect,
unwritten
consent
to
search
vehicles
right
now,
there
is
no
evidence
to
suggest
that
pedestrians
or
cyclists
have
been
subjected
to
illegal
searches.
D
D
I
This
is
kim,
I
have
a
couple
of
questions,
so
people
are
being
searched
outside
of
vehicles
and,
as
others
who
provide
a
public
comment
already
today,
I've
seen
searches
of
fellow
pedestrians.
So
when
I
see
that
there's
no
evidence
do
we
have
a
number
of
just
as
a
sample
group
for
one
mode
of
transportation.
How
many
pedestrians
have
been
stopped
in
search
since
2016,
so
using
the
same
window?
Do
we
have
a
number.
D
That
is,
that
is
one
of
the
things
that
our
integrity
unit
is
working
on.
Obviously,
the
the
policy
that
was
in
place
was
dealing
with
vehicle
searches,
so
part
of
the
duties
of
our
integrity
unit
is
to
start
reviewing
each
and
every
one
of
those
cases
as
well,
so
that
that
is
part
of
the
function
and
that
data
has
not
been
collected
yet.
D
I
Okay,
so
thank
you
for
that
so
because
we
have
a
history
of
under-reporting,
once
we
begin
to
collect
data
on
interactions,
we
can
assess
whether
or
not
there
are
disparities.
I
So
for
me
this
looks
like
an
opportunity
to
start
collecting
data,
and
I
just
want
to
give
an
example
of
like
where
why
I'm
asking
before
marriage
equality,
the
register
of
deeds
office
only
recorded
marriage
licenses
that
were
approved,
not
ones
that
are
denied,
and
it
wasn't
until
they
started
counting
the
ones
that
were
denied,
that
they
could
see
the
discrimination
and
where
the
public
could
then
assess
what
was
really
happening
with
the
data
that
was
available.
I
So
my
concern
is
that
we
are
not
currently
not
only
collecting
all
the
data,
but
it's
not
available
to
be
presented
even
after
these
years,
since
it
has
been
a
discussion.
I
So
when
could
we
expect
to
see
that
information
on
how
many
pedestrians,
cyclists
and
all
modes
of
transportation
have
been
stopped
and
resulting
in
a
search.
D
Again
we're
not
we're
talking
in
some
of
these
cases
of
thousands
of
searches
that
have
been
conducted
so
over
a
period
of
time.
So
I
guess,
I
think,
probably
what
we
we
would
best
do
is
start
on
2021
and
start
working
our
way
back
to
see
where
the
data
historically
lines
up.
I
guess
I
would
just
need
a
little
bit
more
time.
D
Council
number
to
to
say
I
can
give
you
a
definitive
date
when
I
can
have
that
exact
data,
but
I
I
think
we
can
always
improve
on
data
collection,
and
I
and
I
think
that's
one
thing
we
have
done
over
the
last
two
years.
You
know
we
brought
it
forward
that
that
the
use
of
force
data
was
being
under-reported
and
making
those
corrections
have
helped
us
a
lot.
So
this
is
just
another
area
where
we
can
probably
improve
and
we
will
improve
and
we
will
share
that
information.
D
C
Chief
zach
I'd
like
to
ask
a
question:
what
would
be
the
downside
of
actually
extending
it
to
to
this
particular
area
of
all
modes
of
transportation
was
walking
or
whatever?
Why
can
we?
We
can
always
still
collect
data
to
strengthen
the
position,
but
I'm
just
trying
to
figure
out
the
reason
why
we
wouldn't
go
ahead
and
be
proactive
and
amend
it
to
include
this.
D
D
That
that
is
an
excellent
question
and
I
think
the
answer
that
we
have
needs
to
be
taken
seriously
as
well.
You
know
we
train
our
officers
to
remain
vigilant
and
attentive
and
to
keep
their
hands
free
during
field
context.
That's
very
important
for
officer
safety,
unlike
contacts
with
persons
seated
inside
vehicles,
there's
no
barriers
to
protect
officers
during
field
contacts
with
individuals
who
are
on
foot.
D
Adding
additional
burdens
to
divide
attention
to
the
officer
could
significantly
affect
officer
safety.
Imagine
an
officer
going
behind
a
building
at
3am
and
encountering
a
suspect
behind
that
building
and
now
we
don't
have
the
barrier
of
a
vehicle
where
the
officer
could
easily
if
their
attention
were
diverted
to
be
assaulted.
As
we
know,.
D
D
There's
also
been
a
much
data
out
there
again
about
violence
against
police
officers.
Rising
we've
had
43
apd
officers
assaulted
this
year,
one
suspect
assaulted,
an
apd
officer
during
a
search
by
head,
butting
him
and
two
days
later
assaulted,
another
officer
by
punching
him
after
to
speak
after
asking
to
speak
with
the
officer,
both
assaults
were
launched
suddenly
and
without
prior
indication
of
violence.
So
these
street
encounters
these
field
interviews
are
much
more
dangerous
and
can
turn
much
quicker
violently
when
you're
inside
a
vehicle.
D
The
officer
has
the
ability
to
retreat
and
find
cover.
You
have
no
such
barrier
between
you
and
the
officer
in
these
field
stops
and
again,
we've
seen
these
field
stops
turned
violent
very
rapidly
and
again.
Assaults
on
officers
are
up
nationwide,
and
that
is
a
big
concern
for
us.
When
we
have
our
officers,
attention
being
diverted
and
don't
have
their
hands
free
to
defend
themselves
from
a
sudden
attack
which
has
occurred.
Often
enough,
so
it's
it's
a
big
concern
with
officer
safety.
B
D
B
I
get
I
get
that,
but
I
think,
as
we
move
forward
in
seeing
if
this
is
something
we
would
like
to
do
in
the
future,
we
often
refer
to
the
backup
for
consent
and
consent
being
recorded
or
refusal
of
consent
being
court
recorded
being
our
body
cam
footage,
maybe
the
consent
to
search
is
just
a
verbal
thing
and
not
the
use
of
you
know.
Pen
and
paper
I
mean
I'm
just
trying
to.
D
Exactly
right
exactly
right.
Vice
mayor
I
mean
these.
The
consent
is
being
recorded
by
body-worn
camera,
the
written
consent
portion
becomes
redundant
and
there's
a
question
of.
Does
that
redundancy
outweigh
the
risk
to
officers,
so
policy
you
know,
is
to
to
have
the
consent
recorded
by
body,
worn
camera.
We
have
the
backup
many
times
of
the
camera
in
the
patrol
vehicle.
B
So
let
me
ask
my
comrades,
a
question
kim
and
and
sandra
specifically
kim,
as
chief
zack
has
given
us
information
about
the
body,
worn
camera
as
a
backup
and
also
the
vehicle
camera
being
back
up.
I
think
you
stated,
or
someone
else
stated
that
they
had
witnessed
the
stop
so
in
in
this
stock.
Did
I
mean
well?
No.
My
question
is
to
chief
zach,
so
in
this
stop,
are
they
asking
to
search
individuals,
whether
in
vehicle
or
are
in
other
modes
of
transportation?
B
Are
they
asking
to
search
and
also
giving
that
person
a
right
to
rep,
to
refuse,
or
is
this
just
when
they're
in
a
vehicle.
J
So
our
policy
currently
states,
if
you're,
asking
for
a
consent
on
a
person.
That's
not
in
a
vehicle
that
you
have
to
ask
the
person
you
have
to
notify
the
person
that
he
does
not
have
to
accept
and
he
doesn't
have
to
consent
and
that's
all
recorded
on
the
body-worn
camera
in
the
vehicle.
You
ask
for
consent.
J
You
also
tell
him
he
doesn't
have
to
consent
and
if
they
agree
to
it,
then
the
officer
goes
back,
gets
a
written
consent
form
walks
up
to
the
car
and
they
sign
it,
and
that's
also
all
on
body.
One
camera.
C
Excuse
me,
so
what
you're
saying
is,
if
they're
on
foot
or
on
bicycle
okay-
and
you
basically
offer
the
consent,
do
you
can
the
people
just
walk
away
if
they
don't
want
to
say
no
and
just
walk
away?
Are
you
able
to
detain
that
person
in
order
to
get
the
written
consent?
How
does
that
work.
J
So
if
they
have
probable
cause,
they
don't
have
to
ask
for
written.
They
don't
have
to
ask
for
consent.
So
when
they're
asking
for
consent,
they're
telling
them
that
they
don't
need
to
agree
to
the
consent
and
that
individual
says
whether
they
are
agreeing
to
it
or
not,
agreeing
to
the
consent
search
and
then
yes,
the
person
can
walk
away,
correct.
K
Chairman,
if
I
could,
I
think
the
operative
word
is
written
consent
and
chief
zach,
if
you,
if
you
all,
could
talk
about
that
a
a
little
bit,
you
are
asking
in
some
instances
for
consent
and
the
diff
to
search
for
pedestrian
or
bicyclists.
K
D
Correct
yeah,
just
like
signing
a
document
and
again
that
that
extra
layer,
again
it's
already
been
documented,
the
consent
or
lack
thereof,
is
already
documented
through
the
body-worn
camera
and
in
some
cases,
the
in-dash
camera
as
well,
and
now
we're
coming
back
for
a
third
layer
of
now.
We
would
like
you
to
sign
and
of
course
we
know
in
many
cases,
people
don't
like
to
sign
anything
and
put
their
name
on
it.
So
we've
seen
instances
where
people
have
provided
the
verbal
consent,
but
then
said
no,
I
don't
want
to
sign.
D
So
we
document
that
as
well,
but
but
the
real
issue
becomes,
you
know
again
in
these
field,
encounters
one-on-one,
close
encounters
with
no
barrier
between
the
individual
and
the
officer
that
that
extra
layer
presents
a
significant
risk
to
the
safety
of
the
officer
and
also
the
safety
of
the
person
that
we're
you
know
seeking
consent
from
so
it's
on
our
end.
It's
we
feel
that
we're
meeting
the
constitutional
requirements
that
the
the
rights
of
the
individual
are
being
protected.
D
The
question
is:
are
we
protected
and,
and
that
becomes
the
issue
we
don't
want
to
see
and-
and
we
can
point
to
numerous
examples
where
these
field
encounters
may
maybe
dealing
with
a
person,
who's,
who's,
suffering
from
mental
illness
or
substance,
abuse,
acts
irrationally
and
and
attacks
an
officer
in
a
vehicle.
Again,
that's
a
barrier
we
can
easily
retreat,
but
in
a
field
encounter
it's
completely
different.
I
Kim
so
in
a
field
encounter
given
this
hands-free
training
and
in
the
conversation
between
the
officer
and
the
individual,
does
the
officer
at
any
time
to
give
information
or
for
follow-up
offer
the
individual
ever
a
business
card.
C
I
I
was
not
being
searched.
I
was
being
interacted
with
because
at
this
point
like
we're
talking
about
there's
no
probable
cause
right,
someone
is
being
stopped
and
then
they're
being
asked.
Do
you
do?
I
have
consent
to
search
right
so
we're
being
asked
like?
Can
we
then
hand
someone
a
piece
of
paper?
I
D
Respectfully,
I
think
you're
talking
about
two
different
things
and
two
different
types
of
encounters.
I
I
think
again,
you
know
the
example
I
give
is
you
know.
Maybe
we've
been
called
to
a
scene
where
someone's
acting
irrationally
we're
discovering
a
person
late
at
night
behind
a
a
an
establishment
that
is
closed.
That's
far
different
from
you
know,
you
perhaps
calling
to
report
an
incident
and-
and
we
give
you
the
reference
number
to
the
complaint.
I
Sure
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
being
really
clear
that
there
are
times
when
we
can
have
paper
in
hand
and
there's
times
that
we
can't
and
I'm
it's
not
my
intention
to
conflate
I've.
Just
seen
people
be
stopped
at
an
intersection
like
haywood
road
that
one
person
was
asking
the
public
for
money.
I
There
are
nine
officers,
then
come
to
the
scene
and
pieces
of
paper
are
handed
to
the
person.
So
because
we
don't
have
documented
data
to
look
at
today.
I
can
only
speak
from
the
stories
of
what
I've
seen
and
the
stories
of
others,
and
that's
why.
I
think
it's
really
important
that
we
have
data
and
if
this
interaction,
where
we
have
a
piece
of
paper
that
is
then
part
of
a
public
record
documentation,
this
would
give
us
some
sort
of
data
to
look
at.
I
What
we
don't
see
today
is
information
on
a
motion
to
direct
the
city
manager
to
implement
a
policy
that
apd
not
basic
consent.
Search
on
vehicular
stops
on
a
person
having
a
criminal
record
or
suspicious
movement
or
behavior,
and
the
other
one
is
a
motion
to
direct
the
city
manager
to
implement
a
policy
that
apd
deprioritized
low-level
regulatory
stops,
and
my
concern
is
that
these
go
hand
in
hand,
especially
while
we're
having
the
staffing
and
retention
issues
that
we
are.
I
D
Councilmember
regarding
those
resolutions,
I've
looked
closely
at
them
and
I
can
tell
you-
and
at
least
originally
our
thought
was
to
combine
because
you're
right
there
is
a
correlation
between
these.
These
matters
with
with
vehicle,
stops
and
also
searches.
As
we
were
preparing
that
presentation,
it
became
really
unwieldy
and
our
intent
was
for
next
month
at
public
safety
to
take
a
deep
dive
into
the
traffic
stops
themselves,
how
they're
conducted
where
they're
being
conducted-
and
I
think
you
will
see
when
we
present
that
data
that
the
resolutions
have
been
met.
D
I
This
is
kim,
so
I
know
that
we
may
have
some
more
questions,
but
we
have
been
working
on
this
as
an
organization
for
a
few
years
now
and
given
the
information
that
we
have
now
currently,
the
drivers
of
vehicles
have
more
acknowledgement
and
our
protection
of
their
rights
than
any
other
mode
of
transportation,
including
drivers
once
they
exit
their
vehicle.
I
So
I
think
about
that
innocent
incident,
with
johnny
rush
as
being
one
that
was
seen
when
it
was
public,
but
certainly
not
the
only
one
and
so
the
pedestrian
who
was
accused
we're
talking
about
when
I
say,
johnny
rush,
the
pedestrian
accused
of
jaywalking
near
mccormick
field,
where
myself,
after
a
baseball
game,
and
so
many
others
have
crossed
with
the
privilege
of
not
fearing
harassment,
so
keeping
in
mind
that
we
need
to
address
harm
and
change
behavior
to
prevent
ongoing
harm.
B
Emotion
has
been
made,
but
there
is
no
second
at
the
time
any
other.
I
have
comments
to
make
towards
your
motion.
This
is
the
conundrum.
For
me.
B
I've
heard
comments
from
a
lot
of
community
members,
particularly
black
community
members,
at
this
time,
and
while
we're
searching
for
strategies
to
deal
with
the
the
sale
and
manufacturing
of
illicit
drugs
in
our
community
and
also
drug
violence,
gun
violence,
a
lot
of
the
community
members
are
looking
at
the
policies
that
we
are
putting
in
place
in
the
name
of
racial
and
criminal
justice
and
they're,
saying
shanika,
you
need
to
ask
council
to
take
a
pause
and
really
look
at
what's
happening
on
both
sides
of
the
conversation
now
with,
with
this
conversation
being
very
explicit
around
not
having
enough
data
collected
in
order
for
us
to
make
a
decision.
B
In
light
of
what
I
said
before,
let's
pause:
let's
take
a
pause
and
really,
let's
look
at
what
strategies
do
we
have
in
place
in
partnership
with
community
in
order
to
protect
community
members
who
are
being
terrorized
terrorized
by
gun
violence,
individuals
who
are
kidnapping
our
children,
I
mean
I
can
run
the
gamut
and-
and
I
see
both-
I
see
issues
on
both
sides-
concerns
on
both
sides
very
valid
on
both
sides
of
the
conversation.
B
But
I
don't
want
to
rush
so
quick
to
put
something
in
place
and
I
don't
want
to
move
too
slowly
either,
but
while
we're
trying
to
figure
out
strategies
to
address
gun
violence
and
address
a
lot
of
our
overdose,
we
know
that
we
need
a
strong
partnership.
We
need
strategies
and
we
need
everything
that
we
can
use
in
order
to
do
that,
that's
not
very
popular
to
say,
but
I
do
think
it's
necessary.
So
with
that
being
said,
miss
campbell
can,
can
we
come
back?
B
Can
we
look
at
how
we're
collecting
data
can?
Can
we
come
back
maybe
three
months
from
now
and
really
take
a
serious
look
at
this,
because
when
I
talk
to
black
men,
who
are
are
saying
hey
when
you
all
are
are
moving
forward
in
the
name
of
racial
and
and
criminal
justice,
there
are
certain
things
that
you
all
are
doing
to
make
us
more
victims.
B
C
Yeah,
I
totally
agree
with
you
shanique
on
that
and
that's
why
I
have
some
reservations
and
that's
why
I
was
asking
chiefs
and
zach
for
more
information
as
to
how
you
know
you
know
and
why
they
didn't
want
to
make
those
decisions
now
and
like
he
said
they
hadn't
had
enough
information
and
gathering.
So
I
truly
believe
that
that's
the
route
we
should
take
because
we
don't
want
to
be
make
decisions
that,
like
you
said,
can
impact
our
community
more.
So.
B
But
but
also
you
know
with
that
being
said,
like
you
know,
people
are
unprotected
people,
people
are
unprotected
at
this
time
and
folks
in
vehicles
do
have
more
rights
than
folks
on
foot
and
and
folks
who
are
cycling.
So
I
want
us
to
all
be
mindful
you
know
within
the
organization
and
civilians
as
well
be
be
very
mindful
that
these
are
very
critical
times
and
we
all
have
to
walk
upright.
K
Vice
mayor
and
and
chair
you,
you
have
actually
done
a
very
good
job
at
articulating
how
complex
this
issue
is
and
that
there
is
not
one
answer.
There's
lots
of
answers
to
the
issues
that
are
confronting
our
community
today,
particularly
around
criminal
justice,
around
law
enforcement
and
crime
prevention.
K
We
don't
have
a
lot
of
information
so
far,
and
so
we
were
going
we're
going
to
make
a
deliberate,
intentional
effort
to
collect
the
data
that
will
help
us
make
an
informed
decision
about
particularly
getting
out
a
piece
of
paper,
handing
it
to
a
pedestrian
in
terms
of
a
written
consent
and
we've
got
to
weigh
the
risk,
as
the
the
the
chief
talked
about
in
terms
of
the
risk
to
the
officer,
but
also
the
risk
to
the
the
whomever
is
being
stopped.
K
They
literally
asked
the
chief
to
do
that
and
the
chief
said
I
cannot
do
that
without
probable
cause
and
they
kind
of
laughed
because
they
said
well,
you
kind
of
got
a
history
of,
but
I
I
believe
that
we
can
come
back.
We
can
provide
you
with
the
information
that
you
all
are
requesting
and
the
reason
that
I
say
there's
not
one
answer
is
we're
creating
the
integrity
unit.
We're
doing
I
mean
we're
looking
at
working
with
the
d.a
on
our
practices.
D
If
I
could,
I
appreciate
the
comments
from
the
vice
mayor
in
the
city
manager,
but
I
cannot
emphasize
enough.
D
You
know
that
that
other
consideration
is
for
the
safety
of
the
public
in
the
safety
of
our
officers,
and
it's
well
documented
the
losses
that
law
enforcement
is
incurring
nationwide
and
we
cannot
lose
the
officer
safety
piece
in
all
of
this,
and
I
think
that
we'll
have,
if
it's
not
considered
or
if
it's
taken
lightly.
B
When
I
talk
about
safety,
I'm
talking
about
just
the
safety
of
life,
whether
in
uniform
without
a
unit
or
out
of
uniform
under
a
bridge
or
behind
a
desk
creation,
and
with
that
being
said,
I
hope
that
we
will
be
expedient
in
coming
back
like
a
three-month
type
of
thing
like
we
need
to
roll
this
very
quickly,
because
we
have
been
looking
at
this
for
a
while.
B
Nevertheless,
we've
been
through
a
pandemic,
where
not
many
people
were
mobile,
not
people,
not
a
lot
of
people
were
moving
around
and
a
lot
of
things
have
taken
place
with
staff
staff
shortage,
a
lot
of
people
coming
into
our
community,
a
lot
of
people
leaving
out
of
our
community
a
lot
of
transition.
A
lot
of
people's
stances
have
changed
on
written
consent,
given
giving
the
gun,
violence
and
the
loss
of
life
due
to
fentanyl.
B
So
this
has
been
on
the
table
a
very
long
time,
but
the
conversations
and
the
situations
and
the
circumstances
have
changed,
and
I
want
to
be
responsive
to
the
times
and
right
now
we
need
to
just
take
a
little
pause
meet
back
with
the
david
nash
and
the
public
say.
I
mean
the
public
housing
groups
who
are
ready
to
have
the
conversation
being
very
vulnerable
to
dig
in
and
sit
down
and
talk
to
apd
about
things,
and
I
don't
want
to
undermine
that.
B
Okay,
any
other
comments:
if
not
jenna,
do
we
have
anybody
in
the
speaker,
queue.
A
We
do
I'll
bring
the
first
color
in
now
and
I'll.
Let
you
know
when
we
reach
the
last
caller.
L
Thank
you,
members
of
the
public
safety
committee.
My
name
is
patrick
conan
and
I'm
a
resident
of
east
west
asheville
I've
been
following
the
city's
traffic,
stop
data
and
related
policy
reform
since
2016
a
process
that
spanned
four
police
chiefs,
three
city
managers
and
dozens
of
presentations
and
reports.
L
Our
racial
disparities
in
traffic
stops
and
searches
have
been
documented,
analyzed
and
discussed.
In
may
and
june,
2018
city
council
twice
passed
three
policies
intended
to
address
these
disparities
and
start
the
process
of
rebuilding
community
trust.
Yet
here
we
are
over
three
years
later
and
little
has
changed.
L
L
Written
consent
intends
to
provide
clarity
and
a
higher
level
of
fairness
to
one
interaction
between
officers
and
residents.
It's
a
mechanism
that
allows
our
city
and
our
police
department
to
demonstrate
to
residents
that
we
understand
and
respect
individual
rights
and
that
we
prioritize
informing
residents
of.
M
L
L
L
L
I
would
also
recommend
that
this
committee
finally
follow
through
with
council
member
rooney's
previous
request
for
a
status
update
on
the
other
two
policies
the
council
passed.
The
city
manager
has
already
been
directed
to
work
with
apd
to
restrict
the
criteria
under
which
a
consent
search
can
be
requested,
and
these
criteria
apparent
nervousness
or
criminal.
History
simply
reinforce
existing
inequities
in
the
criminal
justice
system
and
they
should
be
eliminated.
L
Second,
the
city
manager
has
already
been
directed
to
implement
a
policy
formally
de-prioritizing
low-level
regulatory
stops.
These
stops
have
no
impact
on
public
safety
and
there's
no
reason
they
need
to
continue
to
occur.
These
interactions
are
unnecessary.
They
harm
community
trust
and
they
put
both
residents
and
officers
in
harm's
way.
E
M
Hi
there
good
morning,
members
of
the
committee,
my
name,
is
zach
whitis.
I
wanted
to
speak
in
favor
of
the
extension
of
the
written
policy.
M
I
believe
that
the
the
right
to
privacy
is
sacrosanct
and
I
support
this
increased
measure
of
accountability.
I
wanted
to
point
out
that
chief
david
zack's
presentation
of
violent
crime
statistics
was
a
bit
misleading.
He
talked
about.
He
talked
about
nationwide
statistics,
but
failed
to
mention
that
the
violent
crime
statistics
in
asheville
have
remained
consistent
over
the
past
year
relatively
consistent.
M
I
also
wanted
to-
I
guess
just
highlight
the
I
mean
the
lack
of
believability,
of
what
chief
david
zach
described
about
the
risk
to
officers
in
getting
written
consent
for
these
searches.
It
seems
to
me
that
it
defies
credulity
that
a
trained
officer
couldn't
obtain
written
consent
in
a
way
that
protects
themselves.
M
M
Yes,
so
please
extend
this
written
policy.
I
believe
that
it'll
protect
the
privacy
and
the
rights
of
individuals
in
our
city.
There
will
be
plenty
of
time
to
continue
collecting
data
in
the
interim.
A
O
Good
morning
my
name
is
alexandra
lusak.
I
am
a
recent
arrival
in
asheville.
I've
lived
here
just
a
little
bit
less
than
two
years
and
I
am
grateful
to
live
in
a
city
that
has
adopted
reparations
as
part
of
its
intent
to
heal
some
harm.
But
I
also
want
to
encourage
this
public
safety
committee
to
extend
the
consent
policies
that
were
adopted
in
2018.
O
I
think
it
is
very
important
for
members
of
the
community
to
know
that
trust
is
being
built,
and
this
is
certainly
one
way
to
do
that,
and
I
want
to
encourage
you
not
only
to
adopt
written
consent
policies
for
vehicular
searches,
but
also
to
extend
that
policy
to
people
who
are
walking
or
bicycling
or
using
other
forms
of
transport.
O
A
Okay,
caller
ending
in
two
two
two:
seven:
your
line
is
open
again.
N
All
right,
thank
you.
Sorry
about
that.
Again.
My
name
is
jay
hill,
I'm
a
resident
of
north
asheville.
As
I
was
saying,
I
wanted
to
challenge
some
of
the
assertions
I've
heard
today.
We
have
heard
the
example
of
an
officer
walking
around
a
building
at
3am
and
encountering
a
person.
First
of
all,
I
challenged
the
language
of
calling
that
person
a
suspect
right
off
the
bat.
But
second,
I
don't
believe
that
consent
searches
are
conducted
at
the
top
of
a
tense
interaction,
putting
officers
in
imminent
risk.
N
N
N
P
I've
listened
to
the
presentations
and
I've
listened
to
the
suggestion
that
we
immediately
disregard
everything,
that's
been
said
and
passed
an
ordinance
or
or
suggest
to
city
council
that
they
pass
an
ordinance
to
rush
forward
and
take
actions
that
smart
people
have
said
need
to
be
studied
a
little
bit
further.
P
B
Are
there
any
more
comments
from
the
committee.
I
This
is
kim,
so
I
accepted
an
invitation
from
the
sheriff's
office
to
tour
the
detention
facility
recently
and
during
the
early
stages
of
the
pandemic,
we
reduced
our
prison
population
significantly
close
to
300..
I
I
What
is
the
role
that
we
play
when
I
say
that,
specifically,
the
number
of
the
population
increase
where
apd
was
the
key
role
playing
and
the
person
being
there,
and
also,
what
are
the
types
of
reasons
why
apd
and
the
city
of
asheville
is
participating
in
the
increase
in
population,
for
example?
I'm
specifically
looking
at
violent
crime,
and
the
third
thing
is:
I'm
learning
a
new
term
called
call
fail
so
as
a
person
who's.
I
I
What
are
the
ways
that
we
are
participating
in
those
increased
bail
numbers
rising
and
what
are
the
tools
that
we
could
do
to
communicate
better
with
the
public
so
that
we
don't
put
people
in
a
position
of
incurring
a
higher
bail
than
they
could
have
ever
had
in
the
first
place?
Simply
because
they're
missing
a
phone
call?
I
know
that
we
are
not
the
da.
I
We
are
not
the
public
defender's
office
and
we
are
not
the
judicial
branch,
but
we
are
a
key
part,
a
player
in
public
safety,
and
so
some
of
these
questions.
I
would
like
for
us
to
see
as
a
group
so
that
we
can
be
better
informed
in
the
role
that
we
play.
B
Can
we
also
talk
a
little
bit
about
that
same
conversation
in
context
with
our
relationship
with
the
safety
and
justice
challenge.