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B
You
good
morning,
I'm
vice
mayor
shanika
smith
and
the
chair
of
the
public
safety
committee,
I'd
like
to
welcome
you
to
our
march
24th
meeting.
All
council
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually
for
those
of
you
out
there
today.
Thank
you
well
welcome.
Sorry,
welcome
to
our
audience
following
along
I'll
state,
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section
aloud
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live
on
our
virtual
engagement
hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city
website.
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and
introduce
all
the
committee
committee,
members
and
staff
who
are
participating
virtually
please
make
sure
that
you
keep
your
microphone
muted.
If
you
are
not
speaking
I'll
call
out
each
person
by
name
just
give
us
a
quick
hello,
councilwoman
sandra
kilgore.
A
B
Thank
you
all.
As
I
just
mentioned,
we'll
start
the
agenda
off
with
public
comment.
Are
there
any
callers
in
the
speaker,
queue.
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all
right
I'll
call
us
each
by
name
for
approval
of
the
minutes:
councilwoman
kilgore,
aye,
councilman,
roney,
hi
and
myself.
I,
the
minutes,
have
been
approved.
B
There's
only
one
item
on
our
agenda
today
and
it's
the
apd
after
action
report
regarding
the
investigation
into
last
summer's
protest.
Chief
zack
is
here
to
present
those
items
for
us
today.
There
is
no
action
required,
but
I
take
it
that
when
we
hear
the
report
we'll
have
further
conversation
amongst
the
committee
members
and
we'll
decide
how
to
move
forward
chief
zach.
E
Thank
you
vice
mayor
smith,
members
of
council
city
manager,
campbell
other
city,
employees
and
certainly
members
of
our
community
good
morning,
I'd
like
to
start
out
by
saying
you
know:
we've
only
issued
this
after
reaction
report
covering
may
29th
through
june
6
of
2020
the
protest.
We
only
issued
this
report
last
night
and
you
know
I
just
want
to
start
off
by
saying
that
this
presentation
is
only
an
introduction
into
what
this
report
contains.
E
We
recognize
the
fact
that
members
of
council
members
of
public
safety,
our
community,
the
media
so
forth,
are
going
to
have
many
many
questions.
So
today's
report
is
is
just
an
introduction.
We
know
there's
going
to
be
more
questions
than
just
today
that
we
will
probably
be
answering
questions
for
weeks
and
months,
and
we
are
perfectly
willing
to
do
that
and
we'll
make
ourselves
available
continually
to
satisfy
the
concerns
of
all.
So
I
just
wanted
to
start
out
by
by
saying
that
again,
this
is
just
an
introduction
to
the
report.
E
This
report
was
created
at
the
request
of
city
council
and
the
parameters
were
to
to
review
the
protests
and
the
days
specifically
between
may
29th
and
june
6.
again.
This
is
only
an
introduction
to
the
report.
E
E
My
apologies
next,
please.
E
Just
a
little
background
on
the
training
that
our
crowd
control
team
receives.
They
are
very
well
trained
in
2019
we
trained
with
fema
the
center
for
domestic
preparedness
in
preparation
for
the
republican
national
convention.
E
Additionally,
our
crowd
control
team
members
get
16
hours
of
in-service
training
per
year,
but
there's
also
specialized
training
beyond
that
for
commanders
and
munitions.
Operators.
E
E
At
the
time
of
the
protest
on
may
29th,
apd
had
238
sworn
officers
since
the
protest,
65
officers
have
resigned
and
we
currently
have
177
officers
available
to
us
before
I
continue,
I,
you
can
advance
to
the
next
slide
jonah.
Thank
you
before
I
continue.
I
forgot
to
introduce
some
of
my
staff
that
are
that
are
here
with
me.
This
morning,
deputy
chief
bomb
stark
and
deputy
chief
yelten
are
both
joining
me.
E
Each
are
subject
matter
experts
in
crowd,
control
and
also
munitions
deployment.
Some
of
the
staff
members
behind
me
are
captain
jackie
stepp,
who
was
incident
commander
virtually
every
day
from
may
29th
to
june.
Sixth,
and
also
with
us,
is
lieutenant
joe
sorrells,
who
is
head
of
our
professional
standards
division,
so
I
apologize
for
not
introducing
you
all
earlier.
E
Also
with
us
is
captain
silverman
who's,
the
head
of
our
investigative
division
and
captain
mike
lamb,
who
also
played
a
very
pivotal
role,
particularly
on
the
bone
street
bridge,
so
my
apologies
for
not
introducing
them
earlier.
E
E
E
E
E
E
Only
four
arrests
required
any
use
of
force
at
all
and
again
there
were
no
policy
violations
found
for
those
four
arrests.
E
Our
professional
standards
unit
received
more
than
500
complaints
regarding
the
use
of
tear
gas
and
anger
over
the
destruction
of
supplies.
We
only
receive
one
official
complaint
of
injury.
We
did
investigate
a
second
complaint
of
injury.
After
learning
of
the
incident
by
an
article
in
the
asheville
citizen
times
on
november
16
2020,
we
did
receive
an
additional
20
anonymous
complaints
that
were
submitted
to
us
regarding
various
incidents
of
excessive
force.
E
Within
the
report,
there
are
specific
areas
that
we
we
did
focus
on
and
highlighted.
E
Some
of
the
challenges
that
apd
faced
during
the
may
and
june
protest
these
protests.
I
think
it
goes
without
saying
that
they
were
unprecedented
in
the
history
of
this
city,
but
also
in
the
history
of
law
enforcement
here
and
nationwide.
E
E
E
This
is
the
first
time
where
we
really
encountered
instigators,
who
were
very
well
organized
well,
equipped,
wearing
dark
clothing,
gas
masks,
plastic,
protective
clothing,
improvised
shields,
visible
weapons
and
using
two-way
radios
for
communication.
This
was
not
a
large.
The
vast
majority
of
protesters
were
peaceful.
That
goes
without
saying,
but
there
were
definitely
instigators
with
ill
intent.
E
E
It's
the
first
time
we
dealt
with
prop
widespread
property
damage
and
vandalism.
E
This
morning
I
just
want
to
address,
and
I
don't
think
we
could
have
this
presentation
without
addressing
two
of
the
more
controversial
incidents
that
took
place
between
the
29th
and
the
sixth.
So
I
want
to
just
touch
on
them
and
take
some
questions
because
I
know
there
are
some
preliminary
questions
and
I
know
there'll
be
questions
moving
forward,
but
I
I
didn't
feel
that
we
could
have
this
presentation
without
at
least
recognizing
these
two
particular
events,
and
the
first
would
be
what
took
place
on
the
jeff
bowen
bridge.
E
What
happened
here
is
you
know
we
had
a
crouch
marching
towards
I-240
twice.
They
went
through
lines
of
bicycle
officers
and
went
on
to
the
jeff
bowen
bridge
on
the
bridge.
E
We
had
23
crowd,
control
team
members
who
responded
to
assist
our
bicycle
response
team,
engaging
with
approximately
300
protesters
on
the
bridge,
despite
multiple
warnings
to
exit
the
crowd
continued
to
advance
many
left
the
bridge,
but
some
threw
objects
at
our
crown:
control,
team,
pepper
balls
and
tear
gas
were
deployed,
and
the
standoff
would
eventually
end
when
apd
and
group
leaders
were
able
to
establish
positive
dialogue.
E
The
decision
to
use
chemical
munitions
is
not
an
easy
one
and
is
not
a
decision
that
is
taken
lightly.
So
I
just
kind
of
wanted
to
go
into
a
little
bit
of
what
went
into
that
decision
before
any
chemical
munitions
can
be
used.
The
first
consideration
that
must
be
given
is
that
there
is
an
exit
route
off
the
bridge
for
those
who
no
longer
wish
to
be
engaged
that
they
have
a
safe
area
to
go
to
after
warnings
are
given.
E
There
were
multiple
multiple
points
of
egress
for
those
who
no
longer
wanted
to
engage
on
the
bridge
to
leave
the
area
marching
on
the
interstate
in
the
bridge
is
extremely
dangerous,
not
only
for
protesters
but
for
motorists
and
police
on
the
interstate
we're
talking
about
high-speed
traffic
traveling
in
excess
of
55
miles
an
hour.
It
is
extremely
unsafe,
as
the
decision
was
being
made.
E
E
In
the
three
weeks
following
the
george
floyd
protest
across
the
country,
there
were
19
separate
incidents
of
cars
ramming
into
protesters.
We
just
were
not
going
to
allow
that
to
happen
prior
to
the
decision
to
use
chemical
munitions
on
the
bridge.
Already
we
had
had
three
protesters
and
a
police
officer
hit
on
I-240.
We
did
not
want
to
see
that
happen
again.
E
E
E
There
were
mistakes,
there
were
things
we
could
do
better.
Some
of
the
lessons
learned,
but
not
all.
We
are
well
aware
that
everyone
on
the
bridge
could
not
hear
our
warnings
to
exit
and
disperse
apd
is
now
exploring
better
options
and
a
better
manner
to
communicate
announcements
to
large
crowds.
That's
going
to
take
a
little
bit
of
work.
E
What
we
learned
up
there
is
that
it
was
extremely
difficult
to
stop
the
protesters
from
getting
onto
the
interstate
that
it
was
actually
easier
to
stop
traffic,
but
we
only
learned
that,
after
what
occurred
on
the
bridge-
and
we
were
much
more
successful
in
the
days
and
weeks
that
followed
were
we-
it
was
far
easier
to
stop
traffic
than
it
was
to
stop
demonstrators
when
warnings
were
being
issued,
and
this
was
not
just
on
the
jeff
bowen
bridge
but
other
times
throughout
the
week.
E
We
realized
that
the
script
that
officers
were
using
to
advise
protesters
regarding
the
use
of
munitions,
the
the
possibility
of
arrest
enforcement
of
the
curfew
and
so
forth
that
that
script
needs
to
be
more
definitive,
as
we
want
to
make
sure
that
all
of
our
messaging
is
consistent,
and
we
also
realize
that
we
need
a
better
tracking
mechanism
for
our
crowd
control
munitions
and
also
how
those
are
being
deployed
and
we've
already
begun,
addressing
policy
and
standard
operating
procedures
in
order
to
make
serious
improvements
there.
E
Next,
please,
I
think
I'll
just
stop
for
a
moment
and
ask
if
anyone
has
any
questions
thus
far.
E
E
Our
crowd
control
team
was
deployed
near
pritchett
park
at
approximately
8
p.m.
The
curfew
was
in
effect
at
8
pm,
and
it
was
the
crowd
controls,
team
responsibility
to
now
ensure
that
the
curfew
was
being
enforced.
E
E
E
Next,
please,
some
of
the
intelligence
that
we
had
received
prior
to
that
evening
is
that
that
site,
or
not
necessarily
that
site,
but
also
in
that
general
area,
that
instigators
were
being
supplied
with
decontaminant
for
chemical
munitions
exposure
where
they
were
resupplying
with
water
bottles
to
be
thrown
at
our
officers,
and
quite
possibly
that
it
was
a
location
where
some
of
the
mortars
were
coming
from,
I
can
say
definitively.
No
mortars
were
discovered
in
that
area.
E
E
E
E
Moving
forward
again,
we
know
there'll
be
many
many
questions.
This
report
will
take
weeks,
if
not
months,
to
digest.
We
are
prepared
to
answer
all
questions.
This
after
action
report
contains
11
recommendations
and
17
action
steps.
Many
have
already
been
implemented
over
the
next
30
days.
We
will
be
certain
that
there
is
a
script
for
consistent
messaging
policy
and
standard
operating
procedures
will
be
amended
within
the
next
60
days.
E
Administrative
investigations
into
into
that
I've
identified
violations
will
be
completed
within
60
days.
Pursuant
to
apd
policy,
we
will
continue
to
assess
departmental
policies
and
best
practices,
should
more
information
become
available.
E
B
Chief,
I
have
a
question
about
agitators.
You
stated
at
the
beginning
that
there
was
a
small
group
of
very
organized
individuals
who,
who
came:
they
were
clothed.
They
had
uniform
in
their
clothing
and
in
their
actions.
E
A
small
number
you
know
is
not
three
or
four.
I
mean
we're
we're
talking,
you
know
with
protests
and
that
sometimes
there
were
you
know
as
many
as
a
thousand
people
present.
At
a
time
these
instigators
were
able
to
mingle
within
the
crowd
and
conceal
themselves
within,
so
the
true
number
isn't
known,
but
we
saw
dozens
and
dozens
of
people
dressed
in
protective
gear
mortars
were
being
thrown
from
definitely
different
locations.
E
When
we
were
responding
particularly
to
gunfire
on
haywood
avenue,
where
several
store
windows
were
shot
out,
as
those
officers
responded,
they
were
hit
with
mortar.
So
you,
the
true
number
of
agitator,
dumb
agitator,
it's
hard
to
to
come
up
with
a
definitive
number,
but
when
they're
concealing
themselves
within
the
crowd,
identifying
them
and
trying
to
remove
them
becomes
next
to
impossible,
especially
you
know
you
have
to
remember.
E
You
know
we
only
had
30
40
officers
at
a
time
in
some
of
these
locations
and
in
other
locations,
only
four
or
five
to
try
to
wade
into
a
crowd
of
400
500
600
persons
is
impossible
to
do
so.
I
think
apd's
learned
a
lot,
but
I
think
moving
forward
best
practices
and
standard
operating
procedures
are
going
to
attempt
to
identify
better
ways
to
manage
that.
E
But
again
this
was
the
first
time
something
like
this
has
ever
happened
in
the
city
of
asheville
and,
I
would
dare
say,
even
nationwide,
of
this
sort
of
just
emotion
and
intensity
and
again
it's
a
learning
process,
but
so
many
things
had
never
been
encountered
before
and
I-
and
I
think
that
is
one
of
the
primary
things
law
enforcement
is
looking
at-
is
how
can
you
separate,
or
how
can
you
identify
these
type
of
agitators,
and
I
think
you
saw
that
in
the
capital
protests
as
well.
E
B
E
In
buncombe
county
prior
to
these
protests,
I
don't
think
there's
ever
been
a
really
coordinated
response.
Again,
we've
learned
a
lot
from
that
and
we've
already
begun
working
with
our
partner
agencies
on
how
to
better
respond
and
coordinate.
This
was
a
huge
problem
for
us
when
we
had
the
multi-agency
response.
As
far
as
tracking
who
was
here,
what
equipment
they
were
bringing
into
the
field
and
and
as
we
deployed
them,
you
know,
a
lot
of
things
were
happening
on
the
fly,
so
we
realized.
E
That
has,
you
know,
distinct
chain
of
command
lines
of
communication,
but
also
what
rules
of
engagement
would
look
like.
So
it
was
a
challenge
and
again
we're
already
making
adjustments,
because
the
adjustments
aren't
necessary,
but
we
address
the
problems
with
mutual
aid.
E
Although
our
partners
were
we,
we
could
not
have
gotten
through
this
event
without
them.
However,
again,
when
you
have
a
number
of
different
agencies
in
the
field
under
different
command
structures
under
different
rules,
different
policies
creates
a
huge,
huge
problem,
communicating
and
deploying
into
the
field.
It's
something
we're
already
working
on.
B
So,
in
that
same
vein,
how
do
we
address
improper
use
of
force
and
things
of
that
nature
when
we
don't
actually
control
or
have
personnel
authority
over
the
agency.
E
Again
difficult
to
do
because
some
some
of
the
responding
agencies
don't
wear
body-worn
cameras.
They
have
different
policies
for
camera
activation.
That's
also
addressed
within
the
after
action
report,
but
anything
that
apd
is
able
to
capture
that
might
evolve,
involve
use
of
force
or
any
misconduct
would
be
turned
over
to
the
district
attorney
office.
F
Question
chief
zach
just
wondering
now,
if
you
can
identify
those
instigators
by
the
way,
they're
dressed
and
the
way
they're
communicating
whatever,
then
is
there
anything
preventing
you
all
from
detaining
those
people
to?
Maybe
you
know
get
additional
information.
Is
there
something
that
prevents
you
all
from
doing
that.
E
That
I
think-
and
I
think
mr
branham
might
might
be
able
to
help
me
with
this
one.
I
mean
people
have
the
right,
obviously
to
to
exercise
their
first
amendment
rights
and
unless
you
identify
actual
you
know
criminal
behavior
taking
place,
I
don't
think
we
have
the
ability
to
just
you
know
kind
of
snatch
somebody
up
and
remove
them,
so
we're
it's
really
a
tight
line
as
to
when
and
how
you
can
effectively
do
that.
Brad.
Might
you
agree
on
that.
C
Yeah
chief,
I
I
think
that
that
is
a
fair
characterization.
We
try
our
very
best,
I
think,
to
avail,
allow
everyone
to
avail
themselves,
so
their
first
amendment
rights,
especially
in
public
areas
such
as
sidewalks
public
parks.
C
That
obviously
is
weighed
against
the
risk
of
danger
to
anyone
exercising
their
ability
to
protest
within
city,
streets
or
public
streets
that
or
on
private
property.
So
there
are
some
additional
circumstances
that
we
can
take
into
account,
but
on
public
property
we
always
want
to
try
to
allow
people
to
have
the
ability
to
protest
and
express
themselves
exercise
their
first
amendment
rights,
but
weigh
that
against
the
safety
concerns
both
for
those
protesting,
as
well
as
other
individuals
within
the
community
and
public
and
private
property.
When
that
becomes
an
issue
as
well.
E
So
I
might
add
to
that
we
did
have
some
success
in
smaller
protests
that
took
place
in
in
the
later
weeks
and
months,
not
necessarily
related
to
the
mr
floyd
protest,
but
other
protests
where
we
have
had.
You
know
people
who
were
really
agitating
and
sometimes
carrying
weapons
where
we
were
able
to
get
them
and
convince
them
to
leave,
and
it's
much
easier
to
do
at
a
smaller
event.
F
So
you
would
say
that
out
of
all
the
arrests
that
you
had
made
to
57
arrests,
none
of
those
were
any
of
the
instigators
or.
E
I
think
I
definitely
definitely
some
were.
We
did
identify
one
of
the
gunman
who
was
shooting
on
haywood.
There
are
active
warrants
for
that
individual.
We
haven't
been
able
to
take
that
person
into
custody
yet,
but
I
would
definitely
say
some
of
the
persons
that
we
arrested
were
more
more
aggressive
than
others.
Others
were
just
simply
curfew,
violations
and
things.
E
Yeah
there
were
definitely
asheville
addresses,
I
don't
know
if
the
number
would
be
half
lieutenant.
Well,
probably
not
quite
half,
not
half,
but
definitely
there
were
asheville
residents,
but
I
believe
and
again
I'm
guessing
that
there
were
people
from
out
of
state
and
out
of
the
area.
Yeah.
F
See
that's
what
I
was
trying
to
identify
because
a
lot
of
times
when
these
things
happen.
I
hear
a
lot
of
people
in
the
neighborhood
in
the
street
saying
they
work
from
here
they
weren't
from
here.
So
that
was
the
reason
why
I
was
questioning
how
many
that
were
probably
arrested
or
held
were
from
out
of
state,
and
that
could
give
us
more
an
idea
of
what's
really
going
on
here.
E
We
can
definitely
I
just
asked
if
we
had
that
was
included
in
the
afternoon
action
report.
We
can
make
that
information
available
for
certain.
Thank
you.
D
D
When
the
there
were
hundreds
of
people
that
took
to
the
streets
in
2016
after
the
shooting
of
jerry
jai
williams,
there
was
a
sit-in
in
the
apd
building.
D
So
I
I
am
concerned
about
a
narrative
that
might
come
out
to
the
public
in
this
public
document
that
doesn't
tell
the
whole
story
of
policing
in
asheville
and
then
after
that
incident
in
2016.
D
It
came
out
in
the
summer
of
2018
that
members
of
this
community
and
organizations
were
how
does
the
article
say
it.
D
E
D
And
then
for
slide
10,
please.
D
Recognizing
the
intent
to
not
have
another
incident
similar
to
the
one
in
charlottesville
was
a
decision
made
specifically
to
not
stop
traffic
farther
up,
perhaps
near
the
charlotte
street
exit
on
240.
While
protesters
were
in
the
street.
E
It
is
and
that's
exactly
what
happened
once
the
line
was
walked
through.
E
We
have
a
number
of
I.t
issues
here.
No
after
we
had
a
line
of
maybe
five
or
six
bicycle
officers
who
were
on
the
on-ramp
once
their
line
was
passed.
E
We
realized
that
we
just
could
not
start
the
march,
so
our
offices
were
effective
in
getting
traffic
stopped
that
eastbound
traffic
and
what
happened
then
is
the
marchers
reached
a
median
and
a
break
in
the
median?
Then
they
jumped
into
westbound
traffic,
where
vehicles
were
hit
with
bottles
and
rocks,
and
you
know
again
people
running
into
high-speed
traffic
trying
to
stop
that
traffic.
We
were
able
to
eventually
stop
the
westbound
traffic
as
well,
but
not
before
three
protesters
and
one
police
officer
were
hit
by
a
moving
vehicle.
E
Fortunately,
no
serious
injuries
there,
but
yeah
we
did
try
to
stop
traffic.
We
were
successful
and
then
in
events
that
followed
some
of
the
demonstrations
that
took
place
not
necessarily
this
week.
But
later
we
realized
that
it
was
far
easier
to
try
to
stop
traffic
first,
but
that
was
kind
of
a
lesson
learned
that,
rather
than
try
to
stop
the
marchers,
devote
the
resources
to
stopping
traffic
and
we
were
very
successful
doing
that
later
on.
E
But
on
this
again
this
was
the
first
time
that
our
officers
had
ever
encountered
a
protest
moving
on
to
the
interstate.
So
it
was
a
new,
a
new
situation
that
we
had
to
deal
with
and
adapt
to.
So
we
learned
from
it
and
definitely
far
easier
to
stop
traffic
than
it
is
to
stop
hundreds
of
marchers
and
and
that's
what
we
employed
thereafter.
D
And
the
last,
the
last
request
I
have
is
actually
for
debra.
We
got
this
document
at
6,
29
p.m.
In
the
middle
of
a
council
meeting
last
night
I
understood
from
our
check-ins
on
thursday
that
we
would
have
the
document
available
sooner,
but
a
303-page
document.
I
just
I
really
need
more
time
to
be
able
to
review
it.
It
is
a
public
document,
and
this
is
a
public
meeting.
There's
public
comment
twice
in
this
meeting
to
be
really
authentic
in
intention.
H
So
noted,
miss
ronnie.
Your
comments
and
concerns
are
valid.
Creating
a
300
page
document
presentation
making
sure
that
we
provided
as
much
information
about
kind
of
summarizing
the
document
as
possible.
It
took
us
a
little
bit
more
time
to
prepare,
but
you
are
exactly
right.
We
should
be
giving
you
all
more
time
to
digest,
but
I
hope
you
took
note
of
also
what
the
chief
said
is.
H
B
I
just
had
one
last
question:
it's
more
of
an
observation:
there's
a
lot
of
public
documentation
of
the
protest
from
day,
one
to
the
very
end,
and
and
through
that
documentation
we
we
saw
videos
of
officers
who
were
in
really
great
dialogue
with
what
appear
to
be
demonstration
organizers.
B
It
seems,
like
you
know,
folks,
just
wanted
to
make
the
connection
with
an
officer
in
order
to
share
feelings
and
give
that
raw
emotion,
and
I
think
that
there
were
there
was
some
progress
made
there
especially
day
one
when
protesters
were
approaching
the
bridge,
but
once
they
got
to
the
bridge,
then
the
the
officers
changed.
You
know
the
uniforms
change,
we
went
from
bike
officers
and
I
understand
that
their
challenges,
you
know
being
outnumbered
and
protesters
being
aggressive
to
to
protest.
B
They
wanted
their
their
space
to
to
demonstrate
as
a
community,
but
then
the
riot
gear.
They
were
faced
with
that
the
standoff
so
so
my
question
to
you
is:
is
there
consistent
communication
with
those
individuals
who
are
trained
to
have
that
conversation
connect
with
organizers,
give
direction
relay
commands?
How
successful
was
that
and
is?
E
E
What
we
saw
in
many
cases,
these
a
lot
of
in
the
areas
that
you
know
where
confrontation
occurred,
or
you
know,
were
where
the
police
met
with
with
the
demonstrators
there.
What
there
wasn't
always
someone
that
you
could
say
this
person
appears
to
be
leading
the
group
in
the
days.
The
first
two
or
three
days
of
protest
leaders
were
easy
to
identify
and
dialogue
was
created,
and
you
know
we
were
able
to
ensure
the
safety
of
all
the
first
night
where
emotions
began
to
to
get
really
high.
E
Even
before
protesters
went
on
to
the
interstate,
there
was
a
moment
in
front
of
the
municipal
building
where
it
was
hundreds
of
protesters
and,
I
believe,
only
three
uniformed
officers
and
they
were
able
to
create
dialogue
with
those
who
appeared
to
be
leaders
at
the
front
of
the
line
and
of
their
own
volition.
You
know
those
officers
engaged
those
leaders
and
the
leaders
ask
the
officers.
E
Would
you
kneel
in
solidarity
with
us,
not
in
submission
but
in
solidarity,
and
they
did
that
to
cheers
and
thanks
and
hugs
and
handshakes
after
that,
and
then
the
crowd
left
the
front
of
the
municipal
building,
and
then
you
know
a
different
group
of
leaders.
That
appeared
then
took
the
group
onto
the
interstate.
E
The
same
thing
happened
with
the
on
the
bowen
bridge.
Where
you
know
initially,
there
were
just
a
lot
of
folks.
You
couldn't
identify
a
leader,
but
at
there
came
a
point
as
the
crowd
thinned
where
one
of
our
sergeants
was
able
to
identify
someone
who
appeared
to
be
in
charge
and
he
came
forward
and
the
dialogue
started
and
where
it
could
be
hey.
E
To
the
point
where
those
who
remained
on
the
bridge
requested
a
safe
escort
by
apd
back
downtown
that
same
night
conclusion,
it
was,
it
was
roughly
2
30
in
the
morning
again
it
took
time,
but
we
were
able
to
identify
a
leader
or
several
leaders
in
the
group
and
our
crowd.
Control
team
commander
was
down
dressed
in
riot
gear.
E
The
the
word
came
up
to
me
in
the
command
post
that
you
know
we've
identified
a
leader
who
really
wants
to
defuse
this
and
convince
everyone
to
go
home
and
said
chief.
Can
we
do
this
and
I
went
down
there
myself
personally
and-
and
we
did
that
and
within
minutes
and
the
citizen
times
wrote
an
article
about
it
that
the
situation
was
immediately
diffused.
E
So
there
was
success
in
in
identifying
leaders
and
and
when
we
were
able
to
do
that,
we
were
able
to
end
some
very
tense
situations,
but
I
think
what
we
saw
as
days
wore
on
the
the
crowd
of
leaders
who
who
were
really
more
interested
in
in
messaging.
E
What
you
saw
later
at
night
were
were
the
instigators
who
were
there
for
chaos
and
destruction.
So
in
some
instances
we
were
able
to
effectively
work
with
leaders,
others
it
was
simply
impossible
and
we
did
the
best
we
could
and
in
some
instances
we
were
successful
in
some.
We
were.
B
Yeah,
because
I'm
I'm
thinking
through
some
things
about
just
just
a
way
that
the
safest
way
for
council
to
receive
information,
you
know
ahead
of
protest
and
what
does
that
tactical
reporting
and
communication
look
like
how
how
should
chief
zack
report
things
to
city
manager,
campbell
and
then
from
that
point
you
know
what
information
is
shared
with
us,
so
you
know
we're
not
we're
not.
I
mean
I
don't.
B
Given
the
given
the
aggression
given
the
given
the
nature
of
the
protest
and
maybe
some
information
about
what
what
is
foreseen,
you
know
just
just
based
on
information,
it's
kind
of
hard
to
frame
it,
because
I
know
that
officers
on
law
enforcement
they
receive
information
about
protests
and
action
that
it's
not
that
we're
not
privy
to.
So
I'm
just
trying
to
I'll
think
on
it
and
figure
out
the
best
way
for
that
reporting
to
be
more
effective
and
concise.
H
And
and
vice
mayor,
I
think
there
is
something
in
the
after
action
report
regarding
public
information
and
how
do
we
share
that
information?
We
quite
frankly-
and
I
hope
this
doesn't
sound
irresponsible,
but
we
literally
in
some
instances
in
terms
of
communication.
H
We
had
to
do
it
on
a
as
needed
basis
like
if
I
were
because
I
was
I
was
there
the
whole
time
of
the
protest.
If
we,
if
I
got
information
from
the
chief
that
things
were
escalating
and
that
some
more
aggressive
action
needed
to
be
taken,
I
would
send
via
email
or
text,
to
counsel
and
say
here's
what
I
got
from
the
chief,
but
that
was
that
was
you
know
we
were
making
it
up
as
we
as
we
went
along
during
that
event,
and
we
we.
H
We
know
that
we've
got
to
get
better
at
that
and
I
think
what
you
just
raised
in
terms
of
how
do
we
formalize
this
process
and
the
resources
that
are
needed
in
order
for
us
to
ensure
that
we
give
you
the
most
accurate
information
so
having
people
from
not
just
police's
communication,
but
other
community
engagement,
communication
and
engagement
personnel
will
be.
Will
be
necessary
and
what
I
hope
is
that
we
don't
have
the
really
type
of
intense
kinds
of
protests.
B
All
right
staff
is
there.
Anybody
in
the
speaker
queue.
B
Surprising,
well,
we
we
heard
the
information
and,
as
the
chief
has
already
announced
from
the
very
beginning,
this
will
be
ongoing.
A
Vice
mayor,
I'm
sorry
we
did
have
someone.
It
looks
like
they're
trying
trying
to
get
in
now.
Give
me
one
second.
B
G
Good
morning,
this
is
the
type
of
action
after
action
report
we
get
when
we're
interviewing
a
war
criminal
instead
of
the
public.
Let
it
be
abundantly
clear
that
this
is
not
an
accurate
representation
of
what
happened.
G
G
G
It's
incredible
how
someone
in
a
position
of
power
like
that
can
get
away
with
just
saying
it
was
wrong,
acknowledging
that
war
crimes
were
committed,
acknowledging
that
they're
wrong
and
just
walk
away
from
it.
While
people
who
were
out
protesting
for
the
sake
of
black
lives
and
protesting
for
social
justice
were
shot
in
the
face
had
their
face
broken,
I
treated
a
crack
skull.
G
There
are
people
who
lost
their
sight,
they're
people
who
have
several
lacerations.
There
are
people
who
were
sick
for
days
with
chemical
poisoning
from
chemical
weapons
shot
at
them
by
our
own
city,
and
they
excuse
that
kind
of
treatment
of
the
people
away.
The
excuse,
the
way
of
the
single
line
says:
oh
yeah.
That
part
was
wrong
with
the
rest
of
this.
We
would
do
it
again.
They
would
do
this
again.
If
you
do
not
stop
them.
I
I
First
of
all,
I'm
really
wondering
how
the
community
is
going
to
be
able
to
ask
the
questions
that
chi
sac
said
that
the
police
department
is
open
to
hearing
how
you
know
what
sort
of
process
will
there
be
for
for
people
who
were
there
and
people
who
were
not
able
to
be
there
last
summer,
but
have
just
outrage
and
concern
for
our
city
and
the
use
of
excessive
force.
That
happened.
I
How
will
they
be
able
to
really
get
their
questions
across?
I
also
have
a
question
about
mortars.
What
are
mortars?
I
had
to
look
up
a
definition
and
all
I
saw
was
you
know:
military
equipment
sending
off
explosive
devices,
and
I
had
not
heard
about
this
happening
from
from
within
the
protesting
crowd.
So
I
wondered
what
the
definition
of
a
mortar
is.
I
I
feel
like
that's
a
distraction
from
what
asheville
should
be
concerned
about
that
asheville
police
deployed
tear
gas
and
pepper
balls
against
asheville
residents,
and
I
would
encourage
public
safety
and
nashville
city
council
to
not
get
focused
on
outside
agitators,
because
that
is
not
really
what
we're
talking
about
here.
I'm
also
curious.
If
the
d.a
is
going
to
review
all
of
the
body
cam
footage
will
he
deliver
a
report?
What
what
does
that
mean
exactly?
I
And
I'm
also
just
the
idea
that
somehow
it's
not
okay
for
people
to
carry
decontaminants
in
case
they're
sprayed
by
tear
gas?
I
I
don't
understand
that
like
it
was
presented
as
if
that
was
somehow
an
indication
of
presumed
guilt
that
these
folks
were
going
to
do
harm
to
the
city
as
well
as
mass
that
they
might
have
worn.
So
I
I
am
just
left
with
so
many
questions
and
I
thank
caller
committee
for
asking
more
and
more
questions.
I
really
appreciate.
A
J
Oh
thank
you.
Yes,
this
is
jensen
gohan.
I
live
in
west
asheville
and
I'm
just
calling
for
a
couple
reasons
here.
I
was
very
concerned
when
I
witnessed
the
use
of
tear
gas
during
these
protests
and
demonstrations.
J
I
don't
think
that
police
use
of
tear
gas
at
all
lines
up
with
the
community
values
that
I
and
many
people
I
know
have,
and
you
know
it
ends
up
conflating
peaceful
demonstrators
with
people
who
may
be
causing
violence
or
breaking
the
law
in
more
severe
ways
and
and
it
causes
terror
and
fear
in
all
the
people
who
are
demonstrating,
many
of
whom
are
doing
so
peacefully,
and
so
we
need
to
make
some
tough
decisions
as.
J
About
whether
deploying
tear
gas
in
these
situations
is
the
right
thing
and
it
is
dangerous
not
only
for
the
people
who
inhale
the
tear
gas,
but
for
people
who
have
been
harmed
by
the
canisters
themselves
as
they
fly
through
the
air
and
mostly
adjust
how
it
completely
confuses
the
situation
of
the
idea
that
we
can
protest
peacefully.
J
And
so
I
think
it's
the
difficult
job
of
the
police
department
to
make
the
tough
decisions
on
how
to
to
deal
with
individuals
who
are
breaking
the
law
in
a
severe
way.
That
would
would
cause
harm
to
other
people
and
to
find
ways
to
hold
those
people
to
account,
while
not
indiscriminately
harming
the
people
who
have
come
to
peacefully
protest.
J
This
is
something
that
the
city
needs
to
solve
and
I
want
to
be
part
of
that
solution
and
part
of
the
conversation,
and
I
appreciate
that
opportunity
today
to
give
my
opinion,
and
so
I
also
am
concerned
about
the
statement
about
you
know
we
will
not
be
having
a
another
charlottesville
here
in
asheville,
because
charlottesville
was
people,
someone
choosing
to
run
over
protesters
purposefully
in
their
vehicle
of
a
very
different
situation
than
protesters
going
out
into
a
highway
and
shutting
down
that
highway
and,
of
course,
the
safety
concerns
that
come
along
with
being
on
a
live
highway.
J
But
that
is
a
lot
different
from
someone
purposefully
attempting
to
mow
folks
over
like
what
happened
in
charlottesville.
So
I
just
feel
that
we,
we
should
not
be
again
conflating
these
things
and
I
really
look
forward
to
seeing
this
conversation
evolve
and
our
city
takes
steps
to
protect
ourselves,
but
but
also
to
be
fair
to
people
who
are
rightfully
angry
and
protesting
about
inequities
in
our
society.
Thank
you.
So
much
for
hearing.