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B
You
good
afternoon,
I'm
Gwen,
Whistler
and
I'm,
the
chair
of
the
planning
and
economic
development
committee
and
I'd
like
to
welcome
you
to
our
October
10th
2022
committee
meeting.
All
council,
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually
in
this
meeting
to
help
the
audience
follow
along
I'll
State,
each
section
of
the
agenda
aloud.
We're
streaming
live
on
our
virtual
engagement
Hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
the
virtual
engagement
Hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city's
website.
We
also
have
an
option
for
the
public
to
listen,
live
by
phone
by
dialing.
B
B
855-925-2801
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8187,
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speaking-
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or
raise
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I'll
I'll,
recognize
you
and
also
just
a
reminder
not
to
use
the
chat
function
while
you're
in
the
meeting.
B
So
roll
call
I'll
now
go
through
and
introduce
the
committee
members
and
the
staff
who
are
participating
virtually
please
make
sure
to
keep
your
microphone
muted.
If
you
are
not
speaking
so
council,
member
and
staff,
as
I
call
you
names,
please
say
a
quick
hello,
councilwoman
Sandra
Kilgore
good
afternoon
councilwoman
Sage,
Turner,
hello
assistant
city
manager,
Ben
Woody,
good.
B
A
community
event
manager,
John,
Philman,
hello,
Transportation
manager,
Lucy
crown.
B
And
urban
planner
three
Alex
Cole
hi,
everyone,
great
okay.
So
the
the
first
item
on
the
agenda
is
the
approval
of
the
minutes.
Could
I
get
a
motion
to
approve
the
September
minutes.
B
Great
so
because
we're
doing
this
virtually
we'll
go
through
a
roll
call
vote,
so
councilwoman
Kilgore,
councilwoman,
Turner,
aye
and
myself
I'm
an
eye
great
okay,
so
those
minutes
are
approved.
So
the
the
second
item
on
the
agenda
is
the
2022
poll.
Banner
policy
update
and
I'm
gonna
turn
this
over
to
John
Philman.
F
Good
afternoon,
I'm
John
fillman
the
city's
event
manager
for
outdoor
public
spaces,
I'm
here
to
present
updates
to
the
city's
poll
Banner
policy,
hopefully
for
your
consideration
and
recommendations
to
city
council
to
adopt
when
we're
talking
about
poll
banners
just
for
a
bit
of
context,
we're
referring
to
the
sign
attachments
that
are
added
to
the
upper
portion
of
power
and
light
poles.
Those
Banners
are
in
a
variety
of
neighborhoods
and
areas
downtown,
and
so
this
policy
is
updated
policy
attempts
to
correct
a
few
things
that
we've
encountered.
F
Thank
you
for
that
key
takeaway
slide.
So,
18
years
after
the
policy
was
last
adopted,
the
city's
public
policy
is
definitely
overdue
for
an
update.
We
have
been
administering
the
current
policy
that
was
established
in
2004
since
2013.
F
and
in
this
presentation,
with
the
new
policy
we
have
about
about
five
different,
distinct
changes.
One
is
that
we
are
planning
to
use.
A
single
installer.
F
Second,
is
address
the
city-owned
venues
and
programming,
looking
at
placement
standards,
public
notification
requirements
and
incorporating
a
revised
fee
structure
that
was
adopted
with
the
fees
and
charges
for
2223
next
slide.
Please
the
challenges
with
the
current
policy
relating
to
that
single
installer
are
that
there
are
multiple
contractors
working
on
the
same
polls
becomes
an
administrative
challenge
to
figure
out
who
put
what
on
What
poll,
who
installed
what
Hardware
Who
removed.
What
Hardware
all
of
that
work?
F
The
second
is
includes
includes
language
with
City
sponsored
and
co-sponsored
event,
promotion
that
we
no
longer
do,
and
so
we
want
to
update
that
language
there.
The
current
policy
lists
a
ten
pole
minimum
for
any
application
that
doesn't
specify
that
temples
need
to
be
in
the
same
area,
which
opens
the
door
for
a
single
banner
to
be
placed
on
10
different
streets,
for
instance,
and
that
doesn't
look
very
nice
for
continuity
purposes.
F
We
also
don't
have
any
requirements
for
consult
or
coordination
with
neighborhood
groups
when
neighborhood
identification
Banners
are
installed
and,
and
that's
an
important
update
that
we'd
like
to
make.
And
lastly,
of
course,
the
fees-
a
few
changes
that
we
made
in
this
fiscal
year
are
no
longer
in
alignment
with
the
current
policy.
Next
slide,
please.
F
So
the
policy
updates
we
would
want
to
contract
with
a
single
installer
who
also
maintains
records
on
Hardware,
installs,
Banner,
placement,
repairs
and
maintenance.
These
hardware
systems
are
overhead
vehicles
and
pedestrians,
and
they
need
to
be
properly
maintained
and
reviewed
and
because
they
do
present
a
potential
public
safety
risk.
F
The
updates
to
city-owned
venues
and
programming
criteria
for
battle
Banner
display
includes
first
right
of
refusal
for
polls
adjacent
to
city-owned,
entertainment
facilities
and
I'll
share
a
little
bit
more
about
that.
In
a
moment,
the
Third
change
is
all
viable
poles
within
one
block
face
must
be
used,
so
that
will
improve
the
continuity
of
our
Banner
program.
F
We
want
to
add
the
public
engagement
requirements
for
neighborhood
identification.
Certainly,
we
don't
think
that
many
neighborhoods
would
want
people
from
outside
of
their
neighborhood
putting
up
a
program
in
their
neighborhood
that
hasn't
received
purviewed
by
the
neighborhood
association
and
the
city
becomes
responsible
for
the
purchase
of
Hardware
so
that
we
can
maintain
the
hardware
on
the
polls
to
the
appropriate
standard
next
slide.
Please
so
neighborhood
ID,
pole
banners.
F
The
slide
shows
the
neighborhoods
that
currently
have
pool
Bears
displayed
the
Lexington
Avenue
River,
Arts
District
Montford
may
not
have
those
up
any
longer,
but
they
were
up
earlier
this
year.
Biltmore
Village
and
Five
Points
neighborhood
all
have
these
these
programs,
and
we
don't
expect
this
policy
will
interrupt
any
of
the
current
banners
on
display
on
this
slide
next
slide,
please
other
pole,
banners
and
events
well,
I'll
start
with
the
events
first
and
since
we
don't
have
any
co-sponsored
or
sponsored
events
any
longer.
F
The
only
event
banners
we've
had
up
as
of
late
are
the
events
that
take
place
at
Harris,
Cherokee,
Center
Asheville.
We
also
have
a
banner
program
for
data
local.
They
have
three
different
Banner
images
that
are
just
placed
around
three
three
different
neighborhoods,
but
they
only
have
a
total
of
10
polls,
and
so
the
polls
are
split
up
across
these
neighborhoods.
In
some
cases,
I
think
downtown
has
one
or
two
pools
used
for
that
for
their
program.
F
The
other
program
was
the
love
Asheville
Asheville,
Road
business
Alliance
program
and,
and
that
would
still
be
a
qualifying
program
with
the
endorsement
of
the
Asheville
Downtown
Association
or
the
downtown
Nashville
residential
neighbors.
It
would
have
to
be
a
a
neighborhood
association
that
that
they
were
part
of,
but
they
would
certainly
be
able
to
continue.
We
don't
believe
big
local
would
still
be
able
to
continue
unless
they
got
the
endorsement
of
the
neighborhoods
they
were
displayed
in
and
they
had
at
least
temples
on
a
single
block
or
a
two
block
face.
F
However,
you
can
reach
that
number
next
slide
please.
So
we
did
compare
some
research.
This
has
been
a
ongoing
project
for
our
department
for
Community
economic
development
for
planning,
Public,
Works
transportation.
We
have
had
so
many
departments
involved
in
reviewing
and
updating
this
policy.
We've
even
had
interns
and
some
of
those
staff
have
come
and
gone
since
we
started
the
project,
but
we
really
feel
like
we're
at
the
finish
line
here
with
a
with
a
good
final
policy.
Next
slide,
please
the
feed
comparison.
F
We
can
see
here
that
the
current
policy
only
charges
a
50
application
fee
has
no
signed
permit
fee
attached
to
it
charges
a
ten
dollar
per
pull
fee.
If
the
hardware
is
installed
is
not
installed
by
the
person,
that's
putting
up
the
hardware
and
it
gets
very
complicated
the
way
the
former
policy
was,
but
the
new
policy
will
include
the
DSD
signed
permit
fee
and
the
hardware
fee
that
we
were
going
to
charge
back
the
customer
score
since
the
city
will
be
purchasing
Hardware.
F
The
customer
still
remain
responsible
for
installation
and
banner
production
next
slide,
please
special
entertainment
venue
identification.
So
this
is
just
an
example
of
of
other
cities
that
have
venue
identification
banners,
but
we
can
skip
through
to
the
to
the
next
slide,
please
and
showing
that
there
are
six
venues
that
we
are
planning
to
have
this
right-of-way
special
right-of-way
use,
one
is
the
Civic
Center
and
that
runs
from
Haywood
street
from
along
Haywood
Street
between
Carter
and
college.
The
art
museum
would
run
between
eagle
and
South
Market
inside.
F
F
Sorry
about
that
McCormick
field
that
that
right-of-way
goes
along
Charlotte,
Street
and
Biltmore
Avenue.
The
Nature
Center
would
have
a
stretch
of
length
along
Josh's,
Creek,
Road,
Azalea
Road
would
be
for
the
tabular
soccer
complex
and
Aston
Park
Tennis
Center
would
have
a
right-of-way
on
Hilliard
Avenue
between
Cleveland
and
South
French
Broad.
F
These
would
be
first
right
of
refusal
from
these
entertainment
venues
to
put
up
identification
signs
that
would
be
for
the
duration
of
the
year
or
they
could
sporadically
inter
interchange,
those
with
event
promotions
for
their
venues
next
slide,
and
so
we're
back
to
the
key
takeaways
again
and
the
key
takeaways,
of
course,
being
the
use
of
a
single
east
dollar
addressing
our
city-owned
venues
and
programming
that
takes
place
there.
Placement
standards,
public
notification
requirements
and
incorporating
a
revised
restructure,
and
that
concludes
the
overview
of
these
ethics.
B
B
Can
you
go
back
one
slide
so
so,
for
example,
the
civic
center
right,
Civic
Center,
for
example,
I
I'm,
not
sure
I,
completely
grasped
this
right
away
like
could
you
know,
say
Steep
Canyon
Rangers
worth
coming
to
Asheville
could
could
they
or
the
Civic
Center
use
all
of
those
banners
just
for
a
short
period
of
time?
Yes,.
F
B
But
like
what,
if
I
don't
know
what,
if
downtown
neighborhood
had
already
used
that
sign,
I
ever
use,
that
poll
could
did
they?
Does
this
right
away
kind
of
preempt
that
for
a
period
of
time
it.
F
B
G
Do
one
I
know
this
is
a
complicated
program
I've
been
in
and
out
of
it
Sandra
I
hope,
I
didn't
just
interrupt.
You
I'm
sorry
go
ahead.
Okay,
it's
hard
to
see
on
these
little
screens,
so
John!
Thank
you.
I
mean
I.
Guess
this
day
is
long
coming.
If
we
go
back
to
the
fee
thing
where
the
options
from
20
2004
were
shown,
yep
right
there,
so
has
it
been
as
much
as
150
dollars
for
Hardware
or
is
this
an
inflated
cost
like?
F
So
the
hardware
runs
between
100
and
300,
depending
on
the
type
of
Hardware.
Okay,.
G
They're
already
used
to
this
fee,
but
I
want
to
make
clear-
and
maybe
that
noted
here,
because
I
thought
that
was
the
case,
because
otherwise
it
looks
like
a
really
big
jump.
Okay
and
then
the
other
thing
is
I
know:
I've
worked
with
some
of
the
providers
like
the
installers
themselves
and
they're
great
long-standing
community
members.
Does
this
moving
to
one
installer
kind
of
step,
make
our
existing
local
vendors
ineligible,
or
will
some
of
them
be
able
to
meet
that
need?
Do
you
know?
F
This
is
not
outside
the
scope
of
our
existing
contractors
that
install
poll
banners
and
pole
Banner
Hardware,
but
we're
looking
to
move
to
a
single
installer
because
of
the
problems
we're
experiencing
working
with
multiple
installers
on
the
polls.
So.
F
Right,
the
next
steps,
following
following
adoption
of
this
policy,
would
be
to
release
a
request
for
proposals
to
find
the
best
competitive
rate
for
the
for
the
for
the
people
that
would
be
wanting
to
put
up
banners
and
then
that
single
contractor
would
be
maintaining
a
banner
inventory.
I'm
sorry,
Banner
Hardware
inventory,
conducting
the
routine
inspections
of
the
hardware
understanding
the
maps
of
the
different
polls
that
are
there
and
what
are
available
to
use
what
it
gets
away
from
are
the
different.
F
F
Did
it
move
from
one
pole
to
the
other?
When
another
installer
came
out
and
found,
there
was
no
Hardware
on
the
pole
that
their
customer
wanted
so
do
they
did
they
move
Hardware
from
one
from
one
pole
to
the
next,
and
it's
it's
becoming
very
difficult
for
us
to
track
who
put
what
up
on
what
poll?
When
we're
using
multiple
contractors?
I.
G
E
A
question
yes
I
was
just
I.
Think
I
was
reading
something
John
where
they
were
saying
that
basically
you're
not
making
money
from
this.
So
it's
actually.
It
says
it
takes
about
three
years
to
pay
for
itself
or
whatever.
What
was
that
that
you
sort
of
elaborate
on
that.
F
E
F
Well,
it
is
that
we
we
intend
to
charge
the
hardware
fee
each
year,
even
though
the
hardware
is
is
should
last
up
to
three
years
and
so
that
Hardware
that
purple
Hardware
fee
would
be
a
portion
of
the
cost
of
Hardware.
That
was
spring-loaded
and
would
be
a
hundred
percent
of
the
cost
for
a
standard,
strap
type
of
hardware
and
the
the
customer.
F
The
person
putting
up
the
the
banners
would
be
paying
that
purple
fee
each
year,
which
would
go
back
into
our
our
budget
to
purchase
and
replace
new
hardware
as
it
comes
as
as
more
people
are
requesting.
Banners
on
pools.
F
As
a
as
a
poll
as
someone
that
would
like
to
put
something
up
on
the
poll-
yes,
the
neighborhood
identification
is
a
one-year
agreement
that
would
be
renewable
for
up
to
three
years.
For
that
single
application
fee,
the
DSD
sign
permit
fee
is
every
year
and
the
purple
Hardware
fee
is
every
year
the
the
vendor
would
be
going
out
to
these
polls
and
inspecting
these
polls
every
year
and
deciding
whether
the
hardware
that's
up
is
still
usable
in
good
shape
and
is
able
to
continue.
F
But
right
now
we
don't
have
anyone
going
up
on
the
polls
to
do
routine
inspections
so
that,
as
long
as
the
Banners
are
stay
are
up
on
the
polls.
I,
don't
think
any
of
our.
The
applicants
that
have
Banner
permits
are
at
their
own
discretion,
calling
the
ban
the
banner
installers
and
having
them
come
out
into
to
a
an
inspection.
F
That's
one
of
the
things
we
need
to
incorporate
into
our
service
to
ensure
that
the
Banners
are
are
are
not
falling
or
the
hardware
are
isn't
following
it
like
I
I
drive
through
Biltmore
Village,
quite
a
bit
and
since
the
since
the
hurricane,
which
we
didn't
so
much
get
much
of.
F
But
the
a
lot
of
the
banners
have
blown
completely
off
of
the
polls
and
in
under
this
new
policy,
we
would
have
a
banner
installer
automatically
going
out
there
to
reinstall
the
banners,
and
that
would
be
at
no
additional
expense
to
the
customer,
because
this
would
just
all
be
covered
under
our
approval.
Annual
Hardware
fee.
E
B
You
and
can
I
ask
a
question
before
before
usage.
Just
quick,
so
you
know
say
I'm
saying
somebody
who
wants
to
put
up
a
banner
who
who
do
I
coordinate
with
do
I,
coordinate
with
your
department
and
then
and
then
you
act
as
kind
of
the
intermediary
between
the
applicant
and
the
the
vendor.
That's
gonna!
Do
this
installation
Etc?
Yes,
okay,
exactly
right!
Okay!
Is
that
going
to
be
more
work
for
your
department
or
about
unless.
F
It'll
be
less
work
because
we
will
have
a
single
installer
who
will
be
providing
us
with
reports
right
now.
The
applicant
has
to
take
a
walk
down
the
street
and
identify
every
poll
number
they'd
like
to
use
also
report
on
any
polls
with
Hardware
or
without
Hardware,
so
that
we
know
what
to
charge
them
okay
and
then
and
then,
and
then
provide
us
with
the
application
and
the
image
of
the
graphic
and
the
insurance
for
their
installer.
F
This
will
now
be
a
situation
where
the
neighborhood
would
let
us
know
what
streets
we'd
like
the
poles,
like
the
banners
displayed
on
and
the
the
single
Hardware
contractor,
that
the
city
contracts
with
will
identify
all
the
viable
polls
in
the
area
so
it'll
make
it
it'll
make
it
a
lot
more
manageable
for
the
city
to
have
a
single
point
of
contact
for
Hardware
or
for
for
Banner
installation
as
well
as
for
Hardware
installation,
because
as
it
stands
right
now,
we
don't
have
a
person
responsible
for
qualifying
the
different
types
of
Hardware
that
people
are
using.
F
Someone
could
say
that
they
found
this
Hardware
online
and
it
looks
good
enough.
It
says
it's
rated
for
90
mile
an
hour
wind
loads
and
we
would
say:
okay,
fine,
that
nothing
is
guaranteeing
that
that
Hardware
is
actually
being
purchased
and
put
on
those
polls.
It
could
be
any
hardware
up
on
those
pools
and
because
of
these
things
being
overhead,
it's
just
it's
it
yeah,
it's
a
it's
something.
We
should
have
more
attention
to
yeah.
G
That's
kind
of
a
hot
mess,
some
of
those
poles
yeah.
So
so
this
is
going
to
be
something
we're
going
to
RFP
and
contract
with.
Will
there
be
any
additional
points
or
something
we
can
do
around
minority
and
women-owned
businesses?
Oh.
B
That's
all
right!
Thank
you!
Okay,
if
I
don't
have
any
more
questions,
could
I
get
a
motion
to
move
this
forward
to
approve
this
and
move
this
forward
to
council
I'll
move.
Okay,
do
I,
have
a
second
I'll,
second
sander,
okay,
great,
so
roll
call
vote,
Sandra,
I,
Sage,
hi
and
I'm
an
eye
great
thanks,
John.
Thank
you.
F
B
D
D
That's
part
of
that
ADA
compliance
is
federally
mandated,
whether
we
have
an
ADA
transition
plan
or
not.
We
are
held
responsible
for
making
our
city
as
Ada
accessible
as
we
possibly
can,
and
an
ADA
transition
plan
helps
with
that
a
lot.
It
helps
provide
an
action
plan
for
prioritized
recommendations,
policies
and
projects
to
improve
Ada
accessibility.
D
The
implementation
schedule
is
based
on
a
five-year
forecast
of
City
Maintenance
work,
including
capital
projects
and
reporting
of
our
other
partners
and
agencies
in
the
Asheville
area,
including
the
dot
and
private
development
and
the
Ada
transition
action
plan
includes
comprehensive
recommendations
to
improve
the
methods,
practices
and
Communications
and
transparency
of
the
Ada
improvements.
D
So
what
is
the
gap?
I'll
take
one
step
back
to
show
the
big
picture.
The
Gap
are
three
plans
that
we
did
at
the
same
time
on
purpose
in
order
to
make
a
really
strong
pedestrian
Network.
There
are
three
plans
in
one
The
Greenway
network
is
supported
by
the
greenway
plan.
The
sideway
walk
network
is
supported
by
the
Ada
transition
plan,
which
will
look
at
improving
existing
sidewalks
and
Greenways,
and
also
The
Pedestrian
plan,
which
will
fill
the
gaps
with
new
sidewalks.
D
This
slide
shows
just
a
few
of
the
problems
that
we
have,
and
this
could
be
on
any
given
Street
in
Nashville.
We
have
issues
such
as
very
narrow,
sidewalks,
with
utility,
poles
and
signage
in
the
way
making
it
impossible
to
pass.
If
you
have
Mobility
devices,
the
middle
picture
shows
a
sidewalk
that
you
can
see
in
many
neighborhoods
throughout
the
city
that
are
in
such
bad
repair,
they're
impossible
and
there's
other
importance
of
the
city.
D
Thank
you,
Ada
transition
plans
can
be
found
on
the
U.S
Department
of
Transportation
Federal
Highway
administration's
web
pages.
Civil
rights
there's
six,
typically
different,
six
elements
of
a
transition
plan,
and
these
are
them
the
first
three
designating
an
ADA
coordinator,
providing
public
notice
and
also
establishing
grievance
procedures.
We
already
are
doing
there's
a
link
to
that
on
our
web
page,
and
you
will
see
down
at
the
bottom
that
it
states
our
Ada
coordinator
is
Brad
Stein
and
more
information,
especially
down
at
the
bottom.
D
So
this
is
our
current
state
of
compliance.
If
you
take
a
look
at
all
of
our
sidewalks
curb
ramps,
signalized
in
our
sections,
Greenway
upgrade
and
retrofits
that
are
needed
and
Transit
stops.
We
have
over
a
hundred
and
one
million
dollars
worth
of
improvements
that
we
would
need
to
do.
If
we
invested
3.3
million
dollars,
it
would
take
us
30
years
to
get
finished
with
this
list.
D
So
the
question
is:
how
how
are
we
going
to
do
this?
A
lot
of
it
can
be
done
just
on
doing
regular
business.
Fortunately,
we
have
looked
very
carefully
at
our
last
five
years
of
spending
and
notice
that
within
our
five-year
CRP
we're
able
to
address
a
lot
of
problems
as
we're
working
through
the
capital
projects.
D
We
see
that
10
percent
on
average
of
our
resurfacing
budget,
which
is
about
350
000,
can
be
used,
so
maybe
a
improvements
just
storing
regular
resurfacing
and
that
we
have
a
hundred
and
twenty
five
thousand
dollars
of
recurring
funds
for
Ada
improvements.
Specifically,
we
can
also
take
a
look
at
our
partners
work.
D
D
And
this
is
what
our
self-evaluation
for
a
five-year
forecast
looks
like
right
now.
These
are
each
different
fiscal
year.
This
is
fiscal
year,
23
the
blue
line,
and
this
year
we're
actually
doing
some
amazing
things.
We
happen
to
have
a
very
large
storm
water
project
on
Saint,
Anne
and
Pearl
Street,
which
is
going
to
need
for
us
to
rebuild
Patton
Avenues
intersections.
This
is
a
huge
Improvement,
we're
also
doing
Vermont,
sidewalks
and
other
capital
projects
that
get
us
over
that
3.3
million
dollar
goal
into
almost
four
million
dollars
of
improvements.
D
However,
as
we
look
at
our
other
five
years
going
out,
it
shows
that
our
average
spending
for
our
five
years
is
less
than
two
million
dollars.
So,
with
this
self-evaluation,
we
can
see
that
we
need
to
try
harder
in
our
coming
years
to
fill
these
gaps
and
take
a
look
at
the
possibility
of
including
a
corridor
project
to
add
up
to
for
each
year
to
hit
as
many
Ada
improvements
as
we
can.
Foreign.
D
D
So
foreign,
the
tables
start
on
take
page
204
or
216
from
the
posted
plan
and
Table
Three
is
exactly
dedicated
to
Ada
improvements.
D
But
our
our
goal
is
to
get
to
the
Finish
Line
first,
our
first
step
is
to
get
the
Gap
adopted,
and
then
we
will
begin
our
implementation
and
one
of
the
biggest
ones
will
be
creating
a
GIS
layer
that
will
really
assess
our
current
ABA
situation
and
the
Public
Works
GIS
department
is
luckily
already
planning
to
work
on
that.
D
So
this
is
a
big
win
for
the
Gap
plan
and
I'm
sure
that
by
the
end
of
this
year,
when
we're
doing
our
next
annual
Ada
self-evaluation
that
we
will
have
adjusted
numbers
of
the
limits
of
improvements
and
though
it
could
be
more
than
where
reporting
it
will
most
likely
be
in
better
shape
than
we
are
that
we're
planning.
For
so
other
things
will
be
to
update
the
policies
and
standards
continuously
see
collaborative
projects
to
ensure
Ada.
D
Improvements
are
made
during
their
construction
and
that
would
include
all
city
of
Asheville
projects,
as
well
as
our
outside
partners,
and
then
always
seeking
funding
strategies
for
implementation
and
we're
lucky
right
now,
because
the
Biden
infrastructure
law
is
doing
has
some
great
grants
that
are
available,
that
we
can
hopefully
work
with
to
make
some
very
large
leaps.
While
those
grants
are
available.
B
Well,
one
thing
one
question
I
have
Lucy
is
thank
you
for
this,
and
this
looks
like
a
lot
of
work
and
just
the
start
of
even
more
work.
So
you
know
appreciate
your
sticking
to
this.
One
and
it'll
obviously
make
Asheville
a
better
place
to
be,
but
you
know
just
watching
email
traffic
there
was.
B
You
know
rip
it
up
and
put
do
do
it
correctly
do
have
we
addressed
that
in
sort
of
our
internal
policies
and
procedures
so
that
you
know
we
can
avoid
that
kind
of
thing,
because
it's
a
little
it
could
be
well
probably
constantly
to
the
developer
or
to
the
contractor,
but
also
can
be
a
little
embarrassing
that
you
know
we
paid
all
this
money
and
then
it's
like,
but
it's
not
really.
E
D
That's
part
of
it.
Part
of
our
education
is
to
address
staff,
so
during
review
and
during
construction
permitting
and
then
during
post-construction
inspection,
we'll
be
able
to
catch
mistakes
better,
all
being
trained
up
to
do
that
and
to
offer
these
educational
trainings
to
our
developers
so
that
they
know
going
in
how
to
address
Ada
facilities
in
the
proper
way.
Okay,.
B
C
You
Lucy,
if
I,
can
add
real
quick
to
just
reiterate
what
Lucy's
saying
I
think
a
lot
of
times
with
Ada
ramps
when
the
plans
are
drawn
up,
the
design
professional
will
just
use
what's
called
a
standard
detail
which
doesn't
always
take
into
account
the
unique
topography
and
conditions
we
have
in
Asheville.
So,
to
reiterate
what
Lucy
said?
There's
a
group
that's
working
on
trying
to
make
sure
we
have
more
site-specific
specificity
included
in
the
plans.
C
So
then,
when
the
contractor
goes
to
build
it,
they
have
a
better
blueprint
so
to
speak
to
follow
so
it
can
be
built
correctly.
So
I
think
some
of
that's
just
getting
the
right
information
up
front
and
considering
taking
into
consideration
kind
of
the
unique
topography
and
challenges
we
have
here
in
Asheville.
B
G
I
do
thank
you,
Lucy,
it's
nice
to
see
you.
Thank
you.
You
too
I've
done
a
bunch
of
the
walkability
studies
with
the
Downtown
Association
and
I'm
just
downtown
a
lot
and
I'll
never
forget
the
first
time.
G
I
saw
a
wheelchair,
operating
and
rolling
in
the
traffic
lane
instead
of
the
sidewalk
and
I
saw
it
a
few
times
until
I
finally
figured
out
what
was
going
on
and
it's
the
running
bond
pattern
on
our
sidewalks
and
if
you
are
near
someone
in
their
wheelchair
on
the
sidewalk,
it
goes
it
actually
very
Audible
and
probably
pretty
annoying
so
I
had
talked.
We
talked
over
the
years
about
going
back
to
the
old
pattern.
I
didn't
hear
running
bond
in
this
I.
G
D
Right
so
that
would
be
one
thing:
I
have
heard
that
we
are
stopping
the
running
Bomb
Pattern
for
many
reasons.
Well,
that's
one.
The
other
is
maintenance,
yeah
yeah.
So
that's
one
of
those
things.
Okay,
that
we'll
be
talking
about.
G
If
you
go
back
to
slide
six
I
think
it
is,
it
actually
is
ironic,
as
we
saw
it
and
on
the
left
is
the
running
button
on
the
right
is
actually
someone
differently
abled
in
their
chair,
obviously
not
on
the
sidewalk,
but
so
this
is
the
pattern
on
the
left
there
y'all,
that's
the
pattern
that
you,
when
you
roll
on,
if
you're
in
a
stroller.
If
anything,
it's
just
odd
but
I
wanted
to
highlight
that
so
I'm
I
do
support.
D
Thank
you,
yeah.
We
have
in
the
Gap
plan,
we
have
improvements
to
the
special
specification
and
design
manual
and
also
the
Udo
and
I'm
fairly
sure
that
that
running
bond
is
there,
and
if
it's
not
it's
because
it
was
already
ixnayed
from
our
designs,
foreign.
B
I
would
entertain
a
motion
to
approve,
approve
this
work
and
to
forward
it
to
city
council
for
adoption.
B
That's
fine
and
so
I'll
do
a
roll
call
vote,
councilwoman,
Kilgore,
councilwoman,
Turner,
aye
and
I'm
and
I
also
so
with
that
Lucy
we'll.
We
thank
you
very
much
for
this.
All
this
hard
work
and
the
future
work
and
we'll
go
ahead
and
move
that
forward
to
city,
council
and
I.
Think
you
said
it
was
the
not
this
coming
meeting,
but
the
next
meeting
it'll
go
October
26th
right!
That's.
B
Good,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
bye-bye
bye
and
so
the
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
the
African-American
Heritage
resources
survey
and
with
that
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
Alex
Cole
welcome
Alex.
A
Oh,
thank
you,
chair,
Whistler,
nice,
to
see
all
of
you
appreciate
your
time
today.
My
name
is
Alex
Cole
I'm,
a
planner
with
the
planet,
Urban
Design
department
and
I
manage
our
historic
preservation
program.
So
I'm
excited
to
be
here
today
to
just
give
you
some
brief
updates
on
some
work
that
we
recently
completed
so
Jenna.
Do
you
mind
going
to
the
next
slide
so
just
real
quickly,
some
key
takeaways
for
this
particular
project.
A
A
This
was
in
part
because
you
can
look
at
our
GIS
data
entity
where
we
are
lacking
in
surveyed
resources
in
the
city,
and
it
was
clear
that
that
our
historically
black
neighborhoods
had
been
submitted
from
previous
survey
efforts.
So
we
we
oftentimes
are
looking
at
neighborhoods,
specifically
or
like
a
very
specific
geographic
area,
but
at
this
point
in
time
we're
kind
of
taking
a
step
back
and
looking
city-wide
at
where
we
needed
to
to
go
to
provide
more
Equitable
Services
through
our
historic
preservation
program.
A
So
so
this
is
a
first
phase
in
our
effort
to
document
historic
resources
in
our
African-American
neighborhoods.
We
we,
you
know
my
our
program,
has
you
know
pretty
pretty
limited
resources
as
far
as
funding.
Sorry
speaking
of
cats,.
A
We
have
generally
kind
of
limited
resources
where
we're
you
know
capable
of
doing
these
kind
of
bigger
city-wide
projects.
So
so
this
was
a
grant
funded
project
and
because
of
our
budget,
we
we
initiated
as
a
first
phase
and
recognized
that
we
have
a
lot
of
work
still
left
to
do.
A
Let's
see
so
the
one
of
the
deliverables
of
a
survey
project
is
the
survey
report,
so
this
particular
project
resulted
in
a
really
detailed
historical
Narrative
of
African-American
life
in
Asheville
over
the
course
of
our
history
and
there's
a
link
later
in
a
later
slide
to
the
to
the
survey
report
and,
of
course,
we'll
publish
it
on
our
website
Etc
press
releases
but
encourage
everyone
to
read
it.
It's
a
really
well
well
written
report
and
so
survey
information.
A
Generally,
we
utilize
for
looking
at
historic
designations,
other
long-range
planning
efforts
like
the
Burton
Street
survey
that
I'll
talk
about
next,
and
they
can
also
inform
other
community
projects,
like
marker
programs,
Etc,
so
they're
useful
in
a
lot
of
different
ways.
Next
slide,
please.
So
this
is
just
an
overview
of
my
presentation.
I'm
going
to
talk
really
briefly
about
what
an
architectural
survey
is,
how
we
got
here
next
step
and
then
I'm
happy
to
answer
questions
if
you'll
have
any
next
slide.
A
Please
so
I
like
to
start
here,
because
I
think
the
word
survey
is
a
little
bit
of
a
misnomer
when
it
comes
to
architectural
survey.
Work,
it's
really.
It's
really
an
inventory
if
you
will,
where
we
go
out
into
the
built
environment
and
we
look
at
structures,
objects,
districts,
sites,
places
generally,
that
that
could
potentially
be
important
for
their
historic
or
prehistoric
significance
and
usually
we're
looking
at
a
geographic
area,
but
sometimes
we're
looking
at
thematic
areas.
A
A
So
why
do
we
do
this
work?
It's
really
important
for
us
to
help
preserve
neighborhood
and
Community
character.
Historic
preservation
is
the
way
that
we
identify
our
historic
architecture,
places
spaces
Etc
a
way
that
we
identify
with
our
our
city,
or
you
know
where
we
live
faces.
We
enjoy
and
value
again.
A
We
use
this
information
to
convey
our
our
community's
historical
narrative,
but
also
can
be
utilized
to
to
inform
other
projects,
and
so
it
helps
us
identify
as
far
as
how
the
information
can
be
used,
helps
us
identify
resources
that
require
further
study
potential
eligibility
for
National
register,
listing
or
designation
as
a
local,
Historic,
Landmark
or
District
and
they're
also,
but
just
mentioned
important
for
other
functions
and
long-range
planning
for
the
community.
A
Next
slide,
please
so
the
historic
Resources
Commission
is
really
given
the
Authority
or,
and
the
responsibility
of
doing
this
type
of
work
by
State
Statute,
so
as
I
in
the
liaison
to
the
HRC
and
as
the
program
manager.
A
This
is
a
lot
of
the
work
that
we
do
is
what
falls
under
their
purview
as
a
commission
to
go
out
in
the
community
and
actually
do
the
do
the
work
so
like
I
said
based
on
the
gis
data
and
our
analysis
of
it
about
four
years
ago,
or
so
you
can
see
where
we
have
holes
in
our
survey.
This
GIS
data
is
a
link,
there's
also
a
link
on
the
next
slide.
A
If
you
are
interested
in
looking
at
the
state
historic
preservation,
office,
GIS
site,
there's
a
I'll
point
this
out
on
the
next
slide,
but
there's
a
legend
included
in
their
GIS
site
that
it
shows
National
register
listed
properties,
properties
that
are
have
been
determined
to
be
eligible
for
listing
and
National
register
and
it
shows
surveyed
properties.
So
that's
how
we
are
able
to
analyze
where
we
still
have
survey
work
to
do
and
if
you,
if
you
do
venture
to
look
at
their
GIS
site,
the
survey
properties
are
noted
with
little
yellow
hexagons.
A
A
We
are
at
Joint
City,
County,
Commission,
slash
program,
so
at
some
point,
we'd
like
to
go
out
countywide,
but
right
now
we're
focusing
on
the
city,
and
so
we
funded
this
project
through
a
CLG
Grant
which,
just
to
give
a
little
bit
of
context
on
that
the
city
and
county
are
both
certified
local
governments,
which
mean
that
we
are
certified
at
the
local
level
or
to
carry
out
historic,
National
Historic
preservation
act
at
the
local
level.
So
we
have
to
meet
certain
criteria
to
maintain
that
certification.
A
But
as
part
of
that
certification,
we
are
eligible
for
historic
preservation
fund
monies
that
come
from
the
federal
government
through
the
state,
historic
preservation
office.
So
it's
a
pretty
competitive
grant
program.
They
only
allocate
about
105
to
110
000
every
year
for
all
clgs
in
North,
Carolina
and
I
think
there's
close
to
50.
so
pretty
competitive.
A
But
we
did
get
about
twelve
thousand
dollars
for
this
project
and
then
the
rest
we
allocated
from
our
departmental
budget
and
we
were
able
to
capture
75,
total
historic
resources,
meaning
there's
75
individual
properties
that
were
identified
through
the
survey
work
and
then,
as
I
mentioned,
there's
two
projects,
deliverables
the
actual
survey
data
and
then
there's
the
historical
narrative,
which
is
the
survey
report
that
will
be
published.
A
So
we
contracted
with
once
we
we
had
the
funding
allocated.
We
contracted
with
a
firm
out
of
Ohio
o
m
east
lake
to
complete
this
first
phase
of
survey.
Work
next
slide.
Please-
and
this
is
again
it's
kind
of
hard
to
like
zoom
in
and
put
it
on
a
slide,
but
I
kind
of
wanted
to
give
you
a
snapshot
of
what
the
state
historic
preservation
offices,
GIS
site
looks
like
so
it
it's.
You
can
kind
of
see.
A
People
on
there
like
I,
said
where
the
where
the
yellow
little
hexagons
are
and
where
they
have
not
been
surveyed,
and
then
the
yellow
hexagons
have
the
black
dots
on
them
are
all
resources
that
we've
lost.
You
can
see
like
in
particular,
East
End,
where
we've
lost
some
resources.
So
that's
part
of
why
this
work
is
important
to
help
us
understand
where
we're
where
we're
losing
resources
too
next
slide
please.
A
So
we
received
the
draft
survey
report
back
in
2019..
Unfortunately,
we
felt
like
the
survey
report,
was
not
to
the
standard
that
we
had
heard
before,
so
we
decided
to
go
back
to
the
drawing
board
and
we
actually
decided
to
contract
with
a
local
preservation
consultant
acne
preservation,
Services
back
in
2020,
to
revise
the
report
and
it
needed
pretty
substantial
revisions.
A
So
it
took
a
while
to
get
all
of
that
done
and
it
was
fairly
complex
job
that
that
that
consultant
had
to
do
to
basically
rewrite
the
report
to
the
degree
possible
and
it
came
out
in
a
much
better
form
than
what
we
started
with.
So
we're
really
excited
to
be
finally
crossing
the
Finish
Line
with
this
project.
So
we
have.
We
have
reviewed
the
final
report,
we're
ready
to
to
publish
it
and
then
also
the
the
survey
data
is
currently
being
mapped
by
the
state
staff.
Their
GIS
database
next
slide.
A
Please
so
again
we're
working
on
a
press
release
we'll
go
out
for
this
next
week
and
then
we
obviously
are
publishing
the
report,
and
that
is
a
link
to
the
report.
If
you
would
like
to
read
it
and
then
next
The
Next
Step
Beyond,
that
is
to
figure
out
where
we
want
to
go
next
with
with
completing
more
architectural
survey.
A
We
had
hoped
to
have
that
identified
as
part
of
the
survey
product
that
we
got
for
this
project,
but
for
what
it
didn't
happen
that
way
so
I
think
we
can
internally
probably
pretty
easily
understand
where
we're,
where
there's
some
neighborhoods,
that
might
make
sense
to
survey
next
and
then
we'll
as
part
of
that,
explore
Grant
opportunity
to
stop
us
find
the
future
phases
of
survey
work.
So
we
can
hopefully
get
to
the
to
the
rest
of
the
city
and
move
all
the
survey
work
along.
So
on
the
next
slide.
Please!
A
So
again,
this
is
just
a
summary
of
my
key
takeaways
that
I
went
over
at
the
beginning
that
I'm
happy
to
either
go
back
through
any
of
those
or
answer
any
questions
that
you
all
might
have.
E
Yes,
could
you
go
back
to
the
slide
where
you're
showing
that
what
was
going
on
the
East
End
of
the
blue?
She
won
the
yellow,
hexagons
and
yeah.
Okay.
Could
you
please
I
couldn't
quite
hear
you
when
you
were
talking
about
blue
and
what
that
represented
it
in
Easton.
A
So
you
can
see
the
East
end
kind
of
right
there
to
the
right
of
downtown
and
the
yellow
dots
that
have
been
surveyed
that
had
the
little
black
dot
on
them.
Those
are
resources
that
are
considered
gone
like
basically
they've
been
demolished.
Also,
so
you
can
see
not
all
you
know.
Certainly,
this
is
not
capture
what
we
lost
before
we
started
doing.
Survey
work,
which
was
like
late
70s
early
80s,
is
when
we
started
doing
survey
work
okay,
yeah,
it
does
definitely
doesn't
capture
anything
that
was
lost
like
urban
renewal
or
any
of
that.
B
Are
there
any
other
questions?
Okay,
Alex,
that
that
sounds
like
good
work,
so
looking
forward
to
that
being
published
and
getting
the
input
and
the
next
steps
and
I
think
I'm
going
to
you're
you're.
You
stay
on
the
agenda
because
the
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
the
Burton
Street
architectural
survey
and
pattern
book.
A
Thank
you,
Jenna.
You
can
go
to
the
next
slide.
Please
I
will
introduce
myself
twice
so
some
key
takeaways
for
this
particular
project.
A
Various
City
staff
have
been
working
really
closely
with
the
Burton
Street
Community
Association
over
the
past,
while
to
help
them
Implement
their
their
neighborhood
plan
and
which
outlines
some
goals
and
strategies
related
to
preserving
neighborhood
character
and
as
a
result
of
those
kind
of
collaborative
efforts,
it
was
determined
that
a
pattern
book
should
be
created
to
help
them
with
those
to
achieve
those
goals
that
are
listed
in
the
plan.
A
This
survey
project
is
a
little
bit
different.
It
does
have
like
an
overarching
historical
narrative,
that's
part
of
the
survey
report,
but
it
then
it
gets
way
technical
in
terms
of
going
Street
by
Street
to
outline
the
common
building,
typologies
and
Street
speak
features,
because
a
pattern
book
is
really
essentially
to
help
illustrate
what
the
built
environment
looks
like.
So
we
we
needed
it
to
be
more
technical
in
nature
to
help
us
create
the
pattern
book
next
slide.
A
Please
so
I'm
going
to
give
a
little
background
brief
timeline
and
some
next
steps
and
then
I'm
happy
to
answer
questions
about
this
project
as
well.
Next
slide,
so
those
part
of
the
I-26
connector
project,
the
dot
worked
with
in
the
city
of
worked
with
the
Community
Association,
to
create
their
neighborhood
plan,
which
was
approved
by
Council
back
in
2018.
A
A
The
plan
does
include
goals
to
try
to
and
strategies
to,
try
to
mitigate
intensive
info,
and
this
is
specifically
coming
from
the
text
of
their
plan
as
far
as
supporting
design
standards
and
policies,
the
aim
to
preserve
or
enhance
neighboring
characters
such
as
Community
design,
recommendations
and
or
a
neighborhood
conservation
overlay.
Next
slide.
Please.
A
The
and
these
this
slide
just
has
some
examples
of
some
of
the
infill
that's
occurring
in
the
neighborhood
and
again.
Obviously,
this
is
not
commentary
on
Aesthetics
or,
if
anybody's
preference
for
architecture
or
any
particular
style.
These
are
just
noted,
newer
construction
projects
to
illustrate
what
what
is
happening
in
this
neighborhood
next
slide.
Please-
and
this
is
these-
are
some
images
of
some
of
the
common
building
types
in
this
neighborhood
there's
neoclassical,
Revival,
Craftsman
and
then
there's
a
lot
of
ranch
later.
A
Ranch
houses,
ranch
style
houses
next
slide,
please
so
they've
part
we
partnered
with
the
Community
Association
to
complete
the
our
completed,
updated
architectural
survey.
This
neighborhood
has
been
surveyed
multiple
times
because
of
its
proximity
to
the
I-26
I-240
Corridor,
because
they're
always
having
to
do
environmental
impact
analysis
for
neighborhoods
impacted
by
federal
and
state
Transportation
projects.
So,
but
we
really
wanted
to
make
sure
that
this
particular
report
again
Illustrated
the
building
typology
that
we
needed
to
to
help
illustrate.
A
There's
a
link
on
this
slide
too,
to
a
website
called
my
chat
house.
This
is
a
great
example
of
a
digital
platform
that
Chattanooga
created
that
helps
like
it's.
A
Basically,
a
digital
pattern
book,
so
that's
what
we're
trying
to
accomplish
for
the
neighborhood
ultimately
to
help
communicate
out
and
inform
potential
developers
in
this
neighborhood
of
the
neighborhood
history
and
what
the
both
environment
historically
has
looked
like
there
I
think
the
important
part
of
that
is
really
conveying
the
historic
importance
with
you
know:
what's
what's
meaningful
to
the
to
the
neighborhood
as
far
as
Meredith
word
character,
to
make
sure
that
that
information
is
made
aware,
so
the
Community
Association
actually
had
some
grant
funding
from
the
county
that
they
donated
to
us
and
the
amount
of
four
thousand
dollars,
and
then
we
estimated
we
have.
A
We
could
accomplish
this.
This
survey
for
about
six
thousand
dollars
so
next
slide.
Please-
and
this
is
just
a
screenshot
of
one
of
the
pages
on
my
chat
house-
to
give
you
an
example
of
how
they
communicate
kind
of
visually.
It's
got.
You
know,
text
content,
but
also
visual
elements
to
help
communicate
what
different
architectural
features
a
given
style
might
have.
What
you
know
particular
like
historic
narrative
or
story
about
the
neighborhood
could
be
included
too
so
I
think
it's
going
to
be
a
really
really
neat
tool.
Once
we
get
it
done.
A
So
we
are
trying
to
essentially
do
this
ourselves,
assuming
we
can
get
stacked
stacked
up
in
my
department
in
the
near
future
next
time,
please
so,
just
to
give
a
recap
on
our
timeline,
we
issued
the
RFP
back
in
April
2021
we
contracted
with
snme
in
a
few
months
later,
which
was
we
felt
fortunate
because
they
are
a
big
company
and
they
were
able
to
accommodate
this
tiny
budget
for
this
project,
and
so
we
got
the
draft
survey
report
a
little
earlier
this
year
and
then
we've
just
been
working
out.
A
The
final
report
details
over
the
summer
and
now
we're
just
trying
to
figure
out
when
we
can
start
working
on
the
pattern
book,
which
again
is
really
just
a
snapping
thing.
I
think
at
this
stage
next
slide
please
foreign
with
the
African-American
Heritage
resource
survey,
we'll
we
will
do
a
press
release
that
will
come
out
in
a
couple
of
weeks
and
then
the
survey
report
will
be
published
so
we'll
work
on
the
pattern
book
and
then
we'll
also
try
to
do
some
engagement
efforts
around
the
pattern
book.
A
So
we
can
make
sure
obviously
we're
talking
about
single
family
residential
development.
So
we're
not
you
know
we,
our
Avenues,
to
get
people
to
kind
of
look
at
this
pattern.
Book
are,
are
sort
of
limited.
Although
Ben's
given
me
some
good
ideas
on
how
we
might
get
this
get
this
out
to
folks,
including
getting
it
to
real
estate
brokers,
and
you
know
some
smaller
developers
but
I'm.
A
Sorry,
if
there's
a
noise
in
the
background,
my
cats
again
interrupting
the
show
but
I
think
I,
just
had
a
repeat
of
my
key
takeaways
on
the
next
slide.
Please
Jenna
and
then
I'm
just
happy
to
answer
questions.
If
anyone
has
any
about
this
particular
project.
E
Thanks
Alex
for
all
the
reports,
I've
looked
through
the
reports
that
I'll
tell
you
I've
learned
a
lot
and
there's
something:
that's
definitely
needed
and
I.
It
felt
like
it
brought
a
lot
of
things.
E
You
know
together,
whereas
you
know
with
everything
that's
being
sort
of
scattered
around,
but
it
brought
it
all
in
one
place,
but
the
one
thing
I
saw
the
questioning
when
you
were
talking
about,
basically
with
the
insensitivity
of
the
infield
and
trying
to
sort
of
actually
are
you
trying
to
sort
of
bridge
I'm
I'm,
bringing
the
construction
or
architectural
designs
of
of
what
they're
doing
now
and
you're
trying
to
make
it
compatible
with
what
was
there
is
that
is
that
the
that's
the
whole
goal
in
this
or.
A
So
I
think
we're
just
trying
to
to
convey
again
the
historic
Narrative
of
the
neighborhood
out
to
people
that
might
be
moving
into
that
neighborhood
I
think
that's
an
important
part
of
this
that
might
get
lost
in
talking
about
buildings
as
far
as
architectural
survey.
A
A
You
asked
this
question
because
we
are
pretty
limited
in
our
tools
that
we
have
to
to
regulate
single-family
design,
it's
really
limited
to
like
really
a
historic
preservation
of
relay,
but
that
may
have
cons
for
some
of
our
neighborhoods
that
are
unintended
consequences
like
higher
costs
to
improve
your
house
or
you
know
additional
permit
fees,
or
you
know
things
like
that.
That
may
be
unwanted,
so
the
two
ways
that
we
looked
at
this
were
trying
to
kind
of
get
creative
like
with.
A
E
Is
there
any
regulations
that
sort
of
maybe
that
we
that
can
be
used,
because
what
they're
concerned
about
and
I
realized
they
have
to
go
up
in
order
to
be
because
of
the
you
know,
because
of
the
late
limited
land
and
whatever
Silver's
face,
you
have
to
go
up,
but
most
of
the
time,
that's
what
they're
concerned
about
the
different
heights
that
it
sort
of
grows,
a
neighborhood
balance
off
and
I
was
just
wondering.
Is
there
a
conversation
being
had
concerning
regulating
the
height
of
some
of
these
units
being
put
in
these
residential
neighborhoods.
A
Yeah,
so
that's
a
good
question
also,
so
we
I
think
our
our
residential
height
limit
is
40
feet
which
is
put
in
these
RS
and
RM
districts,
which
is
pretty
tall
when
you
consider
that,
like
the
most
single
family,
houses
are
like
25
feet
from
Peak
to
grade
roughly,
but
we
have
looked
at
not
really
looked
at
what
we've
talked
about,
and
one
of
the
one
of
the
things
noted
in
their
plan
is
a
neighborhood
conservation
overlay,
which
is
a
mechanism
by
which
we
could
potentially
regulate
it's
like
preservation
light
as
people
call
it.
A
It's
like.
We
can
regulate
things
like
building,
step
back
and
Building
height,
really
basic
kind
of
things
related
to
underlying
zoning.
Rather
than
like.
You
have
to
use
a
specific
type
of
window
or
group
style,
and
so
we
that
is
definitely
something
that
we
have
talked
about.
Internally
talked
about
with
the
Community
Association,
and
this
I
think
I
came
into
this
conversation
a
little
bit
late
in
terms
of
hearing
what
the
neighborhood
wanted
to
do
and
why
they
chose
pattern.
A
Book
Direction,
but
I
think
it
was
maybe
that
that
we
weren't
going
to
be
able
to
accomplish
as
much
as
we
would
like
with
the
net
with
the
conservation,
overly
District
district.
But
I
was
messaging
with
Todd
earlier
today
to
get
a
little
bit
more
context
about
his
conversations
with
the
Community
Association
around
that,
and
he
said,
there's
definitely
potential
for
us
doing
that
or
some
kind
of
form
code.
Even
that
could
help
address
some
of
the
problems
that
people
are
are
relaying
to
us.
B
Have
any
questions
well,
also
very
good
work,
Alex,
really
appreciate
it
and
look
forward
to
the
continued
work
and
I'll
I'll
be
really
interested
in.
You
know
how
we're
going
to
communicate
this
to
developers
and
look
to
our
community
to
be
respectful
of
neighborhoods
with
recognizing
the
need
for
infield
development
that
you
know
we
need
more
housing
and
just,
but
we
want
it
to
be
consistent
with
the
neighborhood,
so
it'll
be
hopefully
we'll
get
a
lot
of
good
cooperation
from
the
Developers
and
Architects
I.
B
Guess
it's
the
you
know,
group
that
comes
to
my
mind.
Okay,
with
that,
our
last
item
on
the
agenda
is
public
comment.
We
did
not
receive
any.
B
Guy
just
was
going
on
and
on
and
on
sorry
about
that.
The
last
thing
on
the
so
so
was
that
the
whole
thing
about
developer.
You
didn't
hear
any
of
that.
Okay
hear
it.
We
can
hear
it.
Oh
okay,
okay,
good,
so
the
last
thing
on
the
agenda
is
public
comment
and
we
did
not
receive
any
any
written
public
comment
ahead
of
time.
I'll
open
it
up
for
Jenna
to
see
if
anybody's,
on
the
line
who
would
like
to
give
life
up
a
comment.
B
I'm
hating
that
all
right
well
with
that,
it's
not
that
they
weren't
great
presentations
and
we
could
have
used
some
public
input,
but
apparently
not
today,
but
with
that
I
will
adjourn
this
meeting
and
see
you
all
tomorrow.
At
the
city
council
meeting.
G
B
Actually
think
I
was
on
it.
My
entire,
my
entire
tenure
I
think
I
was
put
on
it.
I'll
have
to
go
back
and
look
but
I'm
pretty
sure
it
was
when
I
first
got
when
I
first
got
elected,
so
that
would
be
nine
years.
That's
incredible!.
B
I
mean
I
I,
definitely
remember,
implementing
the
first
Luigi
wow
yeah,
and
you
know
that,
like
the
whole
idea
of
it
was
like
so
bizarre
and
so
new
and
we
were
flowering
around
trying
to
figure
it
out,
but
yeah
I
mean
I
was
definitely
on
ped
when
that
first
got
first
got
implemented.
So
it's
been
a
minute,
as
my
Southern
friends
say,
it's
been.
B
Mention
I
will
maybe
I'll
start
doing
that.
Just
you
know
maybe
encourage
some
public
comments.
I
I
wish
more
people
were
listening
to
these
because
there's
always
great
content,
but
but.