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From YouTube: Policy, Finance & HR Committee – March 14, 2023
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Regular meeting of the Asheville City Council's Policy, Finance & Human Resources Committee.
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A
Good
morning,
everybody,
let
me
pull
up
my
introductory
comments
here.
Welcome
to
the
policy,
finance
and
HR
meeting.
My
name
is
Esther
manheimer
I'm,
the
mayor
of
Asheville
and
I'd,
like
to
welcome
you
to
our
March
14th
meeting.
All
committee
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually
to
help
our
audience
follow
along
I'll
State,
each
section
of
the
agenda
aloud.
We
are
streaming
live
on
our
virtual
engagement
Hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
Hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city
website.
A
We
also
have
an
option
for
the
public
to
listen,
live
by
phone
for
those
of
you
out
there
with
us
today.
Welcome
for
today's
meeting.
We
have
the
option
for
people
to
call
in
and
comment
live
during
the
meeting
to
call
in
and
comment.
Live
use
the
same
number
855-925-2801
meeting
code
5257
your
phone
will
be
muted
and
you'll
hear
the
meeting
live
at
this
point.
A
Speakers
will
need
to
push
star
3
to
enter
the
speaker,
queue
and
now
go
through
and
introduce
the
committee
members
and
staff
who
are
participating
virtually
Council
and
staff
as
I
call
your
name.
Please
say
a
quick
hello,
councilwoman
Maggie,
Ullman,
hello,
councilwoman,
Kim
Roney
good
morning,
city
manager,
Deborah
Campbell,
CFO,
Tony,
McDowell,.
A
Okay,
we're
going
to
begin
our
agenda
and
I'm
just
pulling
up
up.
A
All
right
sorry
I've
got
one
screen
here
and
I'm
trying
to
multitask.
So
first
we're
going
to
begin
with
our
update
from
our
CFO
Tony
McDowell,
so
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
up
actually
I'm.
Sorry,
first
we're
going
to
approve
the
minute.
So
do
I
have
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes.
A
B
Thanks
man
good
morning
everybody,
so
we
have
one
item
this
morning
under
the
CFO
update
and
it's
committee,
consideration
of
the
new
contract
that
we're
going
to
be
entering
into
with
cherry
Becker
and
LLP
for
auditing
these
books
for
this
fiscal
year
that
ends
on
June,
30th
2023.
B
So
just
a
little
background,
I'll
hit
some
of
the
highlights
from
the
staff
report.
I
do
North
Carolina,
General
statutes.
All
local
governments
in
North
Carolina
are
required
to
have
an
audit
completed
every
year
and
that
audit
is
due
to
be
turned
in
and
sent
to
the
local
government
commission
by
October
31st
of
each
year
and
just
as
a
quick
aside,
there
is
actually
some
legislation
currently
being
considered
in
the
general
assembly
this
session.
B
That
would
penalize
local
governments
that
missed
that
October
31st
deadline
by
withholding
our
sales
taxes
until
until
the
audit
is,
is
complete.
B
Like
I
said,
that's
it's
under
consideration
that
the
league
of
municipalities
has
come
out
in
against
that
that
legislation,
so
we'll
see
where
it
goes.
One
of
the
things
that
I
think
concerns
local
governments
with
that
particular
legislation
is
the
fact
that
there
aren't
as
many
firms
like
Jerry
Becker,
that
are
doing
audit
work
in
North,
Carolina
anymore,
and
so
a
lot
of
local
governments
are
struggling
to
find
audit
firms
that
are
qualified
in
audit
firms.
That
can
complete
the
work
on
time.
B
So,
unfortunately,
that
legislation
comes
at
a
very
inopportune
time
for
local
governments.
B
Here
at
the
city,
we
have
an
internal
policy
that
we
rotate
our
external
audit
firm
at
the
end
of
each
five
years,
and
we've
reached
that
point.
We've
been
with
the
prior
firm
PB
Mayors
for
five
years,
and
so
we've
reached
the
point
where
we
have
to
rotate.
B
If
there's
any
other
firms
out
there
that
are
qualified
and
there
are,
we
did
a
request
for
proposals
that
we
released
back
in
January
internal
staff,
along
with
the
chair
of
the
city's
audit
committee,
reviewed
those
rfps,
and
we
are
recommending
to
you
all
that
we
enter
into
a
contract
like
I,
said
with
cherry
Becker
LLP
to
do
the
audit
work
both
this
year
and
if
that
contract
is
successful
and
they
complete
the
work
on
time
that
we
continue
to
utilize
them
for
the
following
four
years
after
that
I
guess
the
last
thing
I
would
add
before
I
turn
it
back
over
to
you
all
for
questions
and
comments.
B
Is
that
the
fee
for
the
audit
and
I
think
that's
kind
of
on
the
next
page
Alicia
for
this
year,
we'll
be
we
anticipate
being
149
000,
that's
a
little
more
than
what
we
were
paying
with
our
prior
firm,
but
we
kind
of
anticipated
a
cost
increase.
Since
we
had
not
put
this
out
for
bid
for
for
the
last
five
years
and
there
you
can
see
under
the
fiscal
impact
that
Alicia
is
showing
our
anticipated
costs
for
the
remainder
of
the
contract
period
after
this
first
year.
B
So
with
that
I'll
end
and
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions,
I
think
we
were
hoping
to
get
from
you
all
a
motion
to
recommend
this
to
city
council.
We
will
be
coming
to
city
council
with
this
contract
at
your
next
meeting
on
March
28th.
So
with
that
mayor,
I'll
turn
it
back
over
to
you.
Okay,.
A
E
A
And
councilwoman
Maggie
Allman
aye
and
myself
I
all
right.
Thank
you.
We'll
move
that
forward
to
council
next
we're
going
to
get
into
the
fiscal
year.
2023-2024
fees
and
charges.
Recommendation,
Council
and
staff
are
working
hard
to
move
through
the
budget
process
and
the
manager
will
ultimately
deliver
her
budget
to
council
and,
as
a
part
of
that,
we're
going
to
look
at
the
piece
that
pertains
just
to
fees
and
charges
and
again
I'm,
going
to
turn
it
over
to
Tony,
McDowell
and
I.
B
This
is
our
fees
and
charges,
recommendations
for
fiscal
year,
2023-24,
Taylor
and
I
are
going
to
be
splitting
presentation
duties
today,
I'm
going
to
handle
the
first
five
to
ten
slides
or
so,
and
then
I'll
turn
it
over
to
Taylor
for
the
rest
of
the
presentation.
We
do
have
staff
from
departments
here
as
well
today.
B
So
if
you
all
have
any
specific
questions
about
the
fees
in
any
of
the
areas
or
what
the
what
the
revenue
from
the
fees
might
fund
we'll
be
happy
to
answer
you,
those
for
you
all
today
as
well.
So
at
least
you
can
go
to
the
next
slide
overview
of
our
outline
today.
B
So
we're
going
to
start
with
just
a
quick
overview
of
the
fees
and
charges
process
Taylor's
going
to
hit
what
I
would
call
the
major
fee
increases
that
we're
looking
at
for
next
fiscal
year
and
and
I
call
those
pager
major
because
they're
the
ones
that
will
impact
most
households
in
the
city
and
those
include
Water,
Services,
storm
water
and
solid
waste.
B
So
next
slide,
please
so
key
takeaways
from
the
presentation
today
is
that
and
I
think
you
all
know
that
some
of
this
is
a
repeat
from
our
our
last
meeting
that
we
had
with
you
all
where
we
introduced
the
fees.
B
We
want
to
make
sure
that,
if
you
all
are
supportive
of
any
of
the
fee
changes
that
we
get
into
that
early
so
that
we
can
build
those
revenue
or
build
that
into
our
Revenue
estimates
for
the
next
fiscal
year,
and
then
it
also
allows
us
to
begin
the
process
of
communicating
to
our
customers
what
those
potential
fee
changes
may
be,
and
I
should
mention
here
that
any
all
the
fee
changes
that
are
under
consideration,
even
though
you
all
will
be
voting
on
them
in
later
this
month
or
early
April.
B
B
And
again,
we
have
some
slides
that
will
demonstrate
that
here
shortly
our
recommendations
for
fiscal
year,
2020
2023
2024,
include
a
continuation
of
the
modest
increases
in
household
fees
for
water,
storm
water
and
solid
waste
that
we
have
recommended
or
recommended
last
year
and
have
typically
and
typically
recommend
each
year
and
what
we
try
to
do
with
fees
in
those
areas
is
we
try
to
do
modest
increases
each
year
to
avoid
to
avoid
those
situations
where
we
go
a
number
of
years
without
any
increases,
and
then
we
have
to
do
large
increases
to
kind
of
get
caught
up,
so
we
try
to
do
annual
small
annual
increases
with
with
those
fees
and
then
finally,
we
want
to
point
out
that
in
certain
areas,
Transit
parking
special
event
fees.
B
We
aren't
recommending
any
changes
for
this
year
next
slide,
please
so
just
quickly.
We
did
run
through
this
last
time
with
you
all.
So
why
charge
a
fee
for
a
service?
Again,
there's
there's
multiple
reasons.
The
first
there
that's
listed.
Is
this
customer
versus
Community
benefits?
B
So
we
try
to
utilize
fees
when
we
have
services
that
benefit
specific
users,
and
so
things
like
parking
fees,
development
services,
fees
for
folks
that
are
utilizing
that
City
service,
we
try
to
utilize
fees
to
recover
the
cost
of
providing
those
Services,
as
opposed
to
utilizing
taxes
like
property
and
sales
taxes
to
recover
those
costs.
B
We
look
at
a
number
of
things
when
we
look
at
when
we
consider
our
fees.
If
we
bring
you
all
changes
each
year,
we
obviously
look
at
what
is
the
cost
of
providing
the
service?
We
want
to
make
sure
our
fees
are
in
alignment
with
what
the
cost
is
to
provide
the
service.
We
look
at
who
benefits
from
the
service
and
again,
this
kind
of
goes
back
to
that
bullet
point
above
in
terms
of
could
the
customer
versus
the
community
benefit
and
then
we
utilize
fee
studies.
B
So
next
slide
so
again
getting
into
kind
of
a
an
overview
of
how
much
revenue
we
get
from
fees
each
year.
So
this
is
our
general
fund
budget,
which
is
our
largest
largest
portion
of
our
budget
at
about
158
159
million,
as.
B
Particular
fund
fees
represent
a
very
small
percentage
of
the
overall
revenues
for
this
fund
fund
that
they're
around
somewhere
around
12
in
total
and,
as
you
all
know,
the
the
bulk
of
the
revenue
and
the
general
fund
comes
from
property
and
sales
taxes
on
the
next
slide.
You'll
see
just
the
opposite
situation
in
our
Enterprise
funds.
B
Again,
as
I
mentioned,
These
funds
are,
are
very
much
supported
by
fees
and
charges
the
budgets
for
for
all
of
our
Enterprise
funds,
total
about
73
million
and
fees
and
charges
in
terms
of
Revenue
make
up
about
73
of
the
overall
revenue
for
those
Enterprise
funds.
B
So
getting
into
our
specific
recommendations
for
next
year
and
again,
Taylor's
going
to
cover
all
this
in
depth
in
his
section
of
the
presentation,
but
just
wanted
to
start
off
by
showing
you
all
what
the
impact
will
be
for
a
typical
household
in
Asheville
for
some
of
the
fee
recommendations
that
that
Taylor's
going
to
cover
and
as
I
mentioned
at
the
beginning.
It's
really
what
we're
talking
about
here
are
the
the
three
fees
that
pretty
much
all
households
in
Asheville
pay.
It's
the
solid
waste
fee.
B
The
storm
water
fee
and
the
Water
fee,
all
three
of
those
fees
are
billed
on
our
monthly
or
our
bi-monthly
utility
bill,
along
with
the
MSD
sewer
fee,
and
so
folks
will
be
getting
bills
on
a
bi-monthly
basis,
and
so
the
chart
here
demonstrates
what
that
impact
will
be
when
folks
get
those
bills.
So
every
two
months
they'll
get
a
bill
for
these
Services
Under.
B
The
proposed
fee
adjustments
that
we're
looking
at
for
next
fiscal
year
for
the
average
household
that
bill
would
go
up
by
approximately
ten
dollars
and
89
cents
and
then
annualizing
that
over
the
course
of
a
year,
folks
will
be
looking
at
an
increase
of
approximately
65
dollars
in
the
fees
that
they
pay
for
solid
waste,
storm
water
and
water.
And
again
this
is
a
residential
customer.
B
It's
an
average
residential
customer
in
terms
of
water
use
and
in
terms
of
where
their
property
likely
fits
in
our
storm
water,
tiered
fee
structure,
so
next
slide.
So
I
think
at
that
point.
This
is
my
point
to
turn
it
over
to
Taylor
and
he's
going
to
talk
to
you
all
a
little
bit
more
about
some
of
the
specific
increases.
C
Thanks
yeah,
and
if
you
all
have
any
questions,
please
feel
free
to
interject.
We,
as
Tony
mentioned,
do
have
staff
from
departments
with
fee
changes
recommended
here
available
to
answer
questions
if
I
can't,
so
we
can
move
on
to
the
next
slide
so
for
for
water,
we
did
want
to
point
out
that
there
operating
costs
are
split
pretty
evenly
actually
between
capital
and
debt
personnel
and
operating,
and
that
capital
in
debt
portion
is
a
really
significant
and
key
piece
of
their
budget
and
one
of
the
things.
C
One
of
the
reasons
that
we're
recommending
some
of
this
increase
is
to
make
sure
that
we're
maintaining
that
that
Capital
investment
in
in
our
water
system
next
slide.
So
the
increases
that
we
are
recommending
are
an
increase
to
the
base
fee
charged
to
customers
and
that
changes
according
to
meter
size.
There
is
a
slight
difference
as
a
percentage
change.
The
larger
meters,
the
percentage
is
a
little
higher.
C
What
we're
recommending
than
on
the
smaller
meters
we're
also
recommending
an
increase
in
consumption
fees
charged
based
on
volumetric
water
use,
those
are
a
flat
percentage
increase
and
then
an
increase
to
hydrant
meter
rental
deposits
and
that's
really
kind
of
specifically
related
to
development
activity.
Next
slide.
C
So
looking
at
how
this
is
going
to
impact
again
kind
of
what
we
consider
the
the
the
average
or
normal
residential
user,
we
wanted
to
go
back
to
fy20,
to
remind
you
all
that
we
did
actually
lower
the
the
overall
bill
for
for
a
customer,
and
that
was
because
of
the
loss
of
that
Capital
fee
that
we
used
to
charge.
C
And
so
you
know
if,
in
a
without
that,
I
think
we
would
say
that
this
would
again,
as
Tony
mentioned
earlier,
continue
to
incrementally
increase
as
the
the
cost
of
of
providing
the
service
goes
up,
but
we
did
have
that
dip
in
FY
21
next
slide.
C
So
what
are
these
fees
going
to
fund
several
things?
One
is
an
additional
maintenance
crew
that
crew
will
be
focused
on
maintaining
valves,
hydrants
and
other
water
infrastructure.
Just
the
need
that's
been
identified
within
within
the
water
system,
some
additional
Staffing
to
enhance
overnight
coverage
at
our
water
treatment
plants.
C
This
one
I
think
is
is
critical,
given
the
the
challenges
that
we
faced
in
the
water
water
system
previously,
but
communication
and
customer
engagement,
a
position
focused
on
that
we
do
have
some
departments
that
have
Public
Safety
being
a
good
example,
fire
and
police
that
have
dedicated
Communications
folks
outside
of
arcade
teams,
so
adding
that
to
the
to
the
water
fund,
an
additional
customer
service
staff
to
support
the
meter
project
transition.
C
So
that's
just
making
sure
that
as
folks
get
those
new
meters
that
were
able
to
you
know
correct
any
billing
issues
and-
and
that
goes
smoothly
and
then
finally,
again
continuing
to
recover
the
Lost
revenue
from
that
Capital
fee
that
we
were
are
no
longer
able
to
charge
and
again
we're
doing
that
through
adjustments,
both
on
that
that
base
fee
and
the
the
volumetric
usage
next
slide.
F
This
is
Kim
I.
Have
one
question
about
clarity
when
I'm
looking
at
the
volumetric
charges
is
irrigation
tied
to
our
food
systems,.
C
A
A
G
Okay,
good
morning,
everybody,
this
is
David
Melton
director
of
water
resources,
and
that
fee
is
specifically
I,
don't
want
to
say
targeted,
but
what
it's
for
is
mostly
lawn
irrigation.
G
So
it's
at
a
higher
rate,
because
it's
not
a
necessity.
If
that
makes
sense,.
F
A
couple
more
have
we
had
glutability
or
Equity
office
have
a
look
at
these
recommendations.
F
Yeah
I
mean
I
know,
that's
not
directly
related
to
water,
but
so
let
me
look
it
down
a
little
bit
farther
the
list.
So
I
know
one
of
the
things
that
we've
brought
up
is
council's
goals
around
Equitable,
affordable
housing.
F
F
So
when
we
were
looking
at
that
increase
for
residential
I'm,
just
I'm
having
some
heartburn
around
supporting
the
residential
rate
still
being
the
highest
increase
over
commercial
in
the
volumetric
charge
bulk
discount,
and
it
would
help
if
I
understood
that
we've
done
some
Equity
analysis,
sustainability,
analysis.
D
D
F
I'm,
looking
at
the
water
rate,
it's
still
that
question
came
up
last
year
and
the
year
before,
I
know
that
there
was
the
dip
in
the
fee,
but
that
was
because
we
were
doing
something
we
evidently
weren't
supposed
to
be
doing
so
that
consideration
aside
I,
get
we're
trying
to
catch
up
and
in
the
ketchup
the
fact
that
the
residential
is
still
paying
more
the
volumetric
rate.
It
still
looks
like
a
bulk
discount
for
those
who
use
the
most
water
and
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
that
better.
A
You
know
what
would
be
helpful
for
us
to
to
see
is
a
rate
structure
like
all
the
way
across
where
you
have
the
residential
industrial,
etc,
etc
and
then
kind
of
also
comparisons
to
other
cities.
I
know
we
have
all
that
information
and
we've
looked
at
all
that
before
yeah,
but
but
as
I
understand
water
rate
structures,
it's
it
the
highest
volume
users
do
pay
the
lowest
per
gallon
and
that
and
I
don't
I.
A
You
know
I,
don't
know
in
the
industry
exactly
why
that
is
that
way,
other
than
I
assume
it
has
to
do
with
economic
pressures
in
order
to
support
the
economies
that
that
are
in
businesses
that
use
high
volumes
of
water.
A
H
Mayor,
if
I
could
ask
David
if
he
could
respond
to
that
and
yes,
we've
had
a
very
detailed
conversation
about
equity,
and
that
is
why
you
see
the
way
that
we
were
recommending
increases
was
to
be,
as
has
had
at
least
as
minimal
of
impact,
in
terms
of
the
increase
to
make
up
adjust
to
that
loss
of
of
Revenue,
and
in
fact
again
we
had
reduce
those
fees
earlier,
but
I
think
your
question
also.
H
The
second
question
was
specifically
in
terms
of
the
difference
between
the
percentage
for
residential
versus
non-residential
users.
David.
Can
you
comment
on
that
and
yes.
F
G
I'll
be
happy
to,
and
the
mayor
described
it
as
far
as
the
industry
relied
pretty
well
there,
and
if
you
look
at
our
rate
structure,
it's
not
a
straight
across
the
board
for
volumetric
increase,
but
it's
within
decimal
points.
G
F
Adds
to
my
understanding,
it
still
makes
it
hard
for
me
to
support
them.
A
Yeah
I
I,
you
know
I,
think
we've
made
this
request
before,
but
would
it
be
helpful
or
possible
to
provide
us
with
some
context
by
looking
at
other
cities
and
what
they
charge
for
residential
industrial,
commercial
users?
So
we
can
just
kind
of
see
how
that
lines
up
I
mean
I,
think
councilman
Roney.
If
your
overall
challenge
around
this
is
that
residential
customers
are
always
charged
a
higher
rate
per
gallon
than
large
users,
it
will
probably
never
be
satisfactory
because
I
don't
think
any
water
system
is
structured.
A
A
But
but
my
understanding,
because
I
I
remember
a
few
years
ago,
when
we
really
did
a
deep
dive
on
rate
structure,
we
looked
at
a
lot
of
other
cities
and
tried
to
make
sure
we
were
in
line
with
with
what
what
cities
are
typically
charging
water
customers
and
and
and
anyway,
I
thought
that
seemed
to
line
up
so
so
I
don't
know
how
easily
we
can
get
a
hold
of
some
of
that
information.
But
that
might
be
helpful.
F
Thank
you
for
that.
I
do
think
that
when
we're
looking
at
other
North
Carolina
cities
I'm
just
also
holding
in
mind
that
other
North
Carolina
cities
aren't
beer,
City
USA.
So
that's
part
of
the
the
Curiosity
I
have
around
what
other
cities
are
exporting
their
water
as
an
industry
and
providing
this
level
of
bulk
discount
for
the
economic
development
side,
which
is
why
I've
pointed
to
the
economic
development
impact.
A
F
A
F
A
D
Like
I
said,
one
is:
is
there
a
way
that
we
could
look
at
our
manufacturer
rates
and
kind
of
see
what
percentage
of
that
does
go
into
the
beer
industry,
because
I
feel
like
we
still
have
a
lot
of
water
usage,
but
yeah
I?
Guess
it
I
I,
don't
know
that
it's
like
90
of
our
manufacturing.
D
Is
there
a
problem
with
us
having
a
beer
industry
that
supports
everybody
in
those
jobs,
and
that
is
part
of
how
our
economy
moves
forward
and
no,
we
have
an
abundance
of
water
when
we're
looking
at
our
climate
data
rain
is
actually
going
to
be
one
of
our
biggest
things,
so
I
think.
If
we
were
in
like
an
extremely
water
scarce
region,
it
could
feel
a
little
different,
but
I
don't
know
when
I
hear
that
we're
Outsourcing
our
water,
it
sounds
scary,
but
I
don't
understand.
What's
wrong
with
that.
F
Thank
you
for
that.
I
would
say
that
over
the
past
few
years,
some
of
the
concerns
that
have
been
brought
to
me
that
are
harder
to
measure
are
the
impact
of
our
tourism
on
our
water
as
well,
and
it's
harder
to
measure
when
I
know
some
facilities
have
their
own
laundry
service.
Some
don't
but
I.
I
think
that
the
main
point
for
me
is
if
we
can
have
a
bigger
picture
around,
why
we
offer
a
bulk
discount
and
I
know
that
we
say
that
it
can
be
an
economic
development
incentive
tool.
G
I
did
and
just
for
general
information.
One
of
the
comparisons
I
use
is
the
UNC
School
of
government,
environmental
Finance
center
of
a
dashboard,
and
the
comparison
I
like
to
use
is
similar
custom
income,
which
is
based
on
the
median
income
of
households
and
we're
still
below
the
median
Statewide
with
similar
median
household
incomes
where
we're
at
so.
If
that
gives
a
little
bit
of
indication
Statewide
where,
where
we
rank
that
that's
like
I,
said,
that's
that's
one
of
the
rules.
The
thumb
I
used
to
see
where
we're
at.
A
I
mean
I,
guess
I'm,
trying
to
figure
out
if,
if
I
think,
I
think
what
I'm
hearing
is
just
kind
of
an
overall
feels,
not
philosophical
but
just
sort
of
a
question
about
the
industry,
normal
standard
operating
procedure,
which
is
that
lower
users
pay
a
higher
per
gallon
rate
than
higher
users
and
I.
Think
what
if
I
hear
you
correctly?
A
F
What
I'm
sure
I
can
agree
with
that?
It's
not
that
I
don't
understand
it,
but
it
is
that
I
wonder
why
we
do
that
when
we
say
our
goals
are
Equitable,
affordable,
housing,
because
affordability
is
tied
to
the
services
that
we
provide
too
and
I
know
that
we
also
can't
get
to
our
improvements
that
we
need
to
make
without
charging
fees.
So
the
the
depth
of
the
volumetric
bulk
discount
is
what's
giving
me
pause.
H
So
mayor,
if
I,
if
I,
could
I
believe
that
you
indicated
earlier
that
we
provided
some
of
this
information,
maybe
a
year
or
two
ago,
and
had
a
fairly
in-depth
conversation
around
this
issue,
we
can
be
prepared
to
bring
that
information
back
to
you.
H
I
think
the
action
on
these
fees
for
full
council
is
to
for
action
on
the
28th,
so
we'll
have
that
information
as
part
of
a
follow-up
to
you
are
potentially
as
part
of
our
presentation
on
this
agenda
item.
If
that
will
be
acceptable.
Thank
you.
I
mean,
philosophically
we
are
not
going
to
get
into
the
underlying
issue
of
that
approach,
but
what
we
can
do
is
show
you
in
comparison
to
other
municipalities,
particularly
in
North
Carolina,
Where,
We
Are
in
our
right
structure.
C
So
storm
water
service
and
fees
and
again
I
think
we
have
next
slide
just
an
overview.
One
of
the
biggest
challenges
that
we
have
with
this
service
is
our
our
existing
system
needs
some
pretty
significant
deferred
maintenance
would
put,
which
puts
us
in
a
reactive
position
and
does
not
allow
us
to
make
investments
in
that
system
that
allow
us
to
achieve
our
stated
goals
and
ensure
that
that
service
meets
the
level
that
I
think
we
would
like
it
to
to
meet
next
slide
come
on.
C
So
one
of
the
things
that
we
we
have
invested
in
over
the
last
year
is
a
review
with
a
consultant,
that's
currently
underway
and
has
helped
us
to
identify
some
needs
that
you'll
see
in
a
minute.
One
of
the
pieces
of
that
consultant
review
is
a
review
of
the
fee
structure.
The
current
fee
structure
that
we
have
in
with
the
storm
water
fees
that
has
not
been
completed
yet,
but
we
think
that
that
should
be
done
by
the
end
of
the
summer
of
this
calendar
year
next
slide.
C
Currently
with
that
consultant
study
next
slide,
then
the
items
that
we're
looking
at
funding
with
that
fee
increase
one
is
an
additional
maintenance
crew
again
just
to
support
overall
maintenance
of
the
system,
some
additional
Staffing
to
enhance
inspections,
and
that's
really
more
about
compliance
with
some
of
our
federal
mandates
for
privately
owned
construction
or
constructed
stormwater
devices.
C
Another
big
investment
we're
looking
to
make
is
system
mapping
and
what
that's
going
to
do
is
give
us
a
really
good
picture
of
the
overall
system
where
we
have
infrastructure
its
age
and
where
we
may
need
to
make
investments
in
the
system
to
to
improve
it
overall
and
then
finally,
vehicle
and
Equipment
purchases,
both
for
some
of
these
new
staff
and
just
replacing
equipment
next
slide
any
questions
about
stormwater
before
you
move
on
there,
council,
member
Oldman.
D
D
Yeah
I
just
want
to
like
the
rates
for
the
different
property
sizes
are
different,
so,
let's
just
you
know
making
sure
that
those
two
are
squared
up
yeah.
So
could
you
go
back
to
that
slide?
Assuming
that
the
one
in
the
slide
is
the
most
recent,
so
these
are
lower
than
what
we're
seeing
in
the
stock
report.
Okay,.
B
D
Sure
you've
pulled
so
many
different
combinations,
as
you
were
doing
analysis.
So
it
can
be
understandable
that
there's
different
versions
that
you've
worked
through
so
just
making
sure
that
we
can
square
that
up
and
that
it
would
be
helpful
before
voting
to
know
which
one
is
the
one
being
voted
on.
Is
it
the.
C
I'm,
actually
pretty
sure
that
the
staff
report
is
correct.
I
think
this
table
is
actually
last
year.
Okay,.
E
C
Similarly,
they
need
some
additional
staff
positions
just
to
keep
up
with
the
existing
service
level.
So,
as
we
add
collection
points
to
this
service,
they
need
additional
staff
to
to
service
those
collection
points.
We
also
see
the
cost
of
our
existing
service
going
up
with
our
annual
increases
that
are
in
the
recycling,
collection
and
Disposal
contract,
as
well
as
Buncombe,
County,
landfill,
tipping
fees
and
then
one
other
thing
that
we're
looking
to
do
is
a
review
of
operations,
financing
and.
C
Ordinances
through
a
solid
waste
master
plan,
next
slide,
so
to
help
offset
the
cost
of
that
we
are
looking
at
a
or
recommending
a
one
dollar
per
month
increase
for
next
fiscal
year.
In
the
current
year
we
actually
did
a
two
dollar
increase
partially
due
to
the
fact
that
we
had
not
increased
this
fee
in
several
years.
The
last
time,
prior
to
the
current
fiscal
year,
we
had
increased.
The
sanitation
fee
was
FYI
17.
C
so
again,
looking
to
make
more
incremental
increases
to
continue
to
provide
this
service
next
slide
and
then
looking
at
the
enhancements
again
we're
looking
at
that
Solid
Waste
master
plan.
That
is,
a
recommendation
coming
out
of
the
municipal
climate
action
plan,
which
I
think
you
all
are
going
to
see
at
a
council
meeting
very
soon,
if
I'm
not
mistaken.
So
that
is
one
place
where
we're
we're,
definitely
looking
to
make
sure
that
we're
continuing
to
work
towards
our
sustainability
goals
and.
I
F
Before
we
do
bring
that
to
counsel
for
the
climate
action
plan,
can
we
get
a
more
like
direct
understanding
on
the
fee
impact,
whether
it's
like
a
dollar
figure
or
what
the
investment
is
or
what
percentage
of
our
goals
or
something
between
this
and
that
to
make
that
connection.
F
It
would
be
great
before
we
look
at
the
climate
action
plan
if
we
could
get
a
clear
picture
and
making
that
connection
between
the
solid
waste
master
plan-
and
this
conversation
so
once
again,
this
isn't
for
today,
just
I
think
we
might
want
to
weave
that
dollar
figure
percentage
of
goals
needed
to
be
met.
For
example,
I
just
didn't
want
to
leave
it
behind.
F
D
Like
of
our
50
waste
reduction
goal,
yes,
I
think
the
solid
waste
master
plan
will
be
doing
analysis
like
that
from
looking
at
that
in
the
past,
I
I
think
that's
why
we
need
to
do
some
master
planning
and
the
technicals
of
that
will
involve
analysis.
So
that's
my
I.
Don't
know
that
measuring
impact
of
an
analysis,
that's
going
to
happen
in
planning,
I,
think
that
might
be
cart
before
the
horse.
Yeah.
C
I
think
I
would
I
would
characterize
the
the
plan
is
really
giving
us
a
road
map
to
help
us
achieve
the
goals
that
we've
laid
out
and
and
again
I.
Think
it's
looking
at
not
just
the
way
that
we're
delivering
the
service,
but
also
looking
at
our
existing
ordinances
and
making
sure
that
they
align
with
those
goals
and
how
we're
even
currently
delivering
service.
C
C
You
can
go
to
the
next
slide,
so
we
did
want
to
touch
on
the
Parks
and
Recreation
fees
briefly,
just
because
there
were
a
large
number
and
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
were
clear
about
what
some
of
those
changes
were,
starting
with
some
increases
to
fees
for
internment
and
other
things
at
the
Riverside
Cemetery,
and
that's
really
just
to
support
ongoing
maintenance
of
that
facility.
C
C
We
didn't
want
to
hit
a
little
bit
on
this
one,
just
to
make
sure
again
that
we
were
clear
about
exactly
what
all
of
the
changes
Encompass
as
it
relates
to
after
school
and
summer
programming.
So
there
is
an
increase
recommended
to
the
fun
day
out
inclement
weather
programming,
from
five
dollars
to
ten
dollars
a
day.
We
did
want
to
make
note
that
folks
that
are
already
enrolled
in
after
school
programs.
Don't
pay
that
fee.
C
C
C
So
it's
trying
to
provide
some
flexibility
and
then
also
open
up
some
spots
for
additional
folks
to
participate
in
those
programs
so
that,
if
you
are
only
using
a
day
or
two
you're,
not
taking
up
a
week's
worth
of
space,
if
you
will
in
that
program
and
then
finally,
we
wanted
to
mention
that
we
do
offer
installment
payment
plans
and
other
support
to
mitigate
the
financial
burden
for
after
school
and
summer.
Programming
on
families.
C
So
again
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
were
clear
about
what
those
changes
actually
meant
for
for
that
service
next
slide
and
then,
finally,
just
a
quick
hit
of
the
other
fee
changes
that
are
in
the
staff
report.
C
One
is
a
change
to
the
really
the
way
the
fee
structure
is
structured
for
a
specific
tournament
at
Aston,
Park,
Tennis
Center,
the
Nature
Center
is
really
just
providing
some
fee
flexibility
and
that's
really
more
about
giving
them
some
opportunity
to
to
do
more
dynamic
programming
and
be
able
to
to
charge
a
fee
for
that
for
that
programming
rather
than
having
it
be.
C
Quite
as
detailed
as
that
fee
structure
is
right
now
and
then
finally,
I
think,
as
Tony
mentioned,
we
have
a
number
of
fees
that
we
charge
for
development
and
we
try
to
review
those
and
make
sure
that
they're
recouping
a
percentage
of
the
cost
to
deliver
those
review
and
inspections.
So
an
increase
to
the
storm
water,
development
fees
and
I
think
next
slide.
Yeah.
So
again
we
review
fees
annually
and
bring
forward
recommend
recommendations
early
in
the
process.
C
D
D
Why
we're
making
these
changes
and
the
different
items
that
are
changing
it's
hard
to
track
a
little
bit,
especially
like
between
the
deck
and
the
staff
report,
like
there's
a
lot
of
different
line
items
and
I
understand
that,
but
if,
if
there's
a
way
to
kind
of
distill
the
strategies
of
which
fees
you're
proposing
to
reduce
or
increase
and
the,
why
that
would
be
helpful
because
I'm
sure
you
didn't
look
at
each
line
item
and
have
an
independent
decision,
I'm
sure
there's
an
overarching
strategy
towards
Parks
and
Recreation
goals
that
it
gets
a
little
lost
for
me.
H
If
I
could
and
I
think
we
have
dtrl,
Parks
and
Recreation
director
if
he
would
like
to
speak
to
this
issue,
otherwise
we'll
we'll
definitely
come
back
with
additional
information,
but
but
gee.
If
you
could
just
give
us
a
little
bit
of
information
yeah
that
would
be
helpful.
Yeah.
I
Thanks
Deborah
I
think
Taylor
did
a
good
job,
just
kind
of
providing
the
explanation.
Maggie
I
will
ask
you.
Is
there
something
specific
that
stands
out
in
those
a
in
the
the
staff
report,
the
pages
they
kind
of
go
in
depth
into
all
of
the
fees
and
the
changes
within
parts
of
rep
that
are
being
proposed.
D
I
guess
just
like
when
I'm
looking
at
the
table
in
the
staff
report
and
like
Pages,
six
and
seven,
you
know
it's
like
summer
camp,
for
example,
I
think
about
all
of
the
families
out
there,
like
myself,
who
love
your
services,
that
you
know
we're
reducing
the
fee
for
non-resident
and
then
we're
increasing
some
of
the
summer
camp
stuff
and
then
we're
now
charging
a
fee
for
city
employees
like
if
I
were
tomorrow,
to
have
a
neighbor,
be
like
hey.
D
A
I
That
would
be
part
of
a
cost
of
service,
but
also
just
to
the
the
the
gravity
of
the
number
of
people
who
are
interested
in
our
in
these
programs.
I
Summer
programs,
as
soon
as
these
programs
are
open
for
registration,
I
mean
it's
possible.
They
fill
up
within
an
hour.
So
we're
taking
a
look
at
those
those
high
demand
programs
in
assessing.
Can
we
be
charging
more?
What
does
that
make
sense?.
D
And
I
know
like
from
someone
who's
actively
booking
summer
camps
right
now,
like
the
city
is
very
competitive
and
and
affordable
and
I.
Think
that's
fantastic,
but
I
think
it's
also
wise
to
understand.
You
know:
are
we
tracking
towards
the
other
services
so
that
your
recovering
costs
as
you
need
to
but
also
being
affordable?
So
it's
just
helpful
to
hear
a
little
bit
more
of
the
thinking
behind
it
and
I
think
sometimes
just
the
table
doesn't
help
understand
the.
Why
behind
it?
So,
okay.
A
F
Still,
if
we
could
go
back
to
I,
don't
know
if
there's
an
answer
to
this,
but
the
sustainability
office
analysis
like
what
is
the
goal
of
the
or
potential
impact
for
the
brush
removal?
Is
it
just
cost
of
service
or
are
we
trying
to
get
folks?
Is
the
goal
to
get
folks
to
do
composting
and
reduce
our
waste,
and
will
this
help
us
get?
There
are.
F
D
D
I
know
that
I'm
also
having
conversations
with
the
counties
commissioner,
committee
on
environment
and
energy
and
the
reality
that
the
landfill
will
close
one
day
and
if
we
don't
start
collaborating
even
more
aggressively
to
make
sure
that
we
extend
that
Lifeline
we're
going
to
be
in
trouble
and
I
think
that
the
tool
I
think
is
to
do
a
bigger
picture.
D
I,
don't
know
that
I
think
the
result
of
a
solid
waste
master
plan
can
have
implications
for
how
we're
signaling
what
behaviors
we
want
through
the
fees
but
I
think
we
need
to
do
that
planning.
You
know.
I'll
say
that
when
I
was
on
staff
as
a
sustainability
director,
we
charged
a
garbage
collection
or
we
charged
a
recycling
collection
fee,
and
we
gave
garbage
for
free,
and
we
said
that
is
not
the
signal
we
want,
and
so
there
was
the
ability
to
kind
of
shift
that
to
Signal
recycling
as
a
service.
D
We
want
you
all
to
have
so
I
think
after
we
have
a
bigger
picture
from
the
solid
waste
master
plan,
then
how
we're
signaling
through
fees
would
be
kind
of
a
good
Domino
series,
but
I
think
that
big
picture,
how
we're
going
to
reach
our
50
waste
reduction
goal
now.
Is
that
time
and
that's
what
sustainability
and
sanitation
are
proposing
with
the
master
plan
and.
H
Greg,
there's
r.js.
If
there's
any
additional
information
you
would
like
to
share,
but
I
think
what
I
guess
I
would
say
is
we
are
trying
to
connect
the
dots
rather
than
looking
at
things
individually.
We
are
trying
to
look
at
sustainability,
equity
and
I
would
even
go
back
to
the
park
and
rec
philosophical
approach
is
when
you
look
at
those
fees
individually,
like
you
said,
maybe
you
don't
get
the
full
picture
of
what
we
are
trying
to
do,
but
I
would
suggest
to
you.
H
We
are
trying
to
balance
program,
demand
an
allocation
of
resources
and
an
assessment
of
resources
needed
to
deliver
those
services,
and
so
we're
increasing
in
some
that
may
have
no
demand
and
I
mean
it's
just
it's
the
juggling
act
for
us,
but
Greg
in
terms
of
sustainability
and
product
Waste,
Connections.
J
Yes,
thank
you,
Deborah
Greg,
sealer,
Public,
Works
director,
the
the
fee
increase
we're
requesting
right
now
is
simply
to
keep
up
with
the
cost
of
providing
the
service.
This
basic
core
service,
the
Solid,
Waste
master
plan,
I,
think
council,
member
Bowman
did
a
really
good
job
of
explaining
where
we
want
to
go.
J
But
this
be
increase
just
to
be
clear,
is
really
focused
on
core
Service
delivery.
Jess
Jess
is
our
Solid
Waste
division
manager
and
I'm.
If
you
have
anything
to
add,
this
would
be
a
great
time.
K
F
K
So
I
do
have
as
part
of
our
Solid
Waste
master
plan.
It
will
include
looking
at
our
fee
structure
for
our
services
offered.
It'll.
Look
at
you
know
not
only
what
our
best
practices,
but
also
you
know
for
some
services
that
we
provide
like
brush
collection
and
bulky
collection.
Should
that
be
charged
to
everyone,
or
should
it
be
a
la
carte
and
is
it
Equitable
how
we're
charging
people
for
who
may
overuse
or
under
use
those
services?
K
Also,
looking
at
how
fees
are
charged
to
businesses
and
multi-family
units,
we
don't
really
even
have
a
clear,
operational
method
for
how
we're
servicing
some
of
the
new
types
of
development
that
we
see
like
tiny
homes,
adus,
mixed-use
development,
so
I
think
there
would
be
a
fee
study
that
looks
at
how
we're
providing
service.
Is
it
Equitable
and
you
know
how
do
we
need
to
change
that
to
meet
our
goals,
whether
their
financial
goals,
sustainability
goals,
Equity
goals,.
K
K
F
A
Yeah
I
mean
I'm
fine,
with
just
sending
this
on
to
council.
We
don't
necessarily
have
to
vote
on
it,
I
mean
we've,
we've
reviewed
it
and
and
I
think
we've
asked
a
bunch
of
questions
and
we're
going
to
get
a
little
additional
information.
So
when
this
goes
to
the
full
Council
it'll
we'll
have
some
more
background
information
and
context.
A
So
I,
don't
you
know
it's
not
that
I
don't
want
to
support
it.
I
think
we're
just
I
think
what
I'm
hearing
is
just
asking
for
a
little
bit
of
information
before
the
final
vote
and
that's
fine.
Are
you
guys
fine
with
that
or
just
move
it
move
it
forward
and
okay
and.
A
Okay,
now
I'm
gonna
go
to
General
Public
comment
and
let
me
see
if
I
have.
A
Vote,
no
we're
not
voting.
That
was
the
whole
con
that
we're
not
we're
just
moving
it
on
to
to
council
yeah.
Okay,
do
we
have
anyone
in
the
queue
for
public
comment?
I,
don't
have
any
instructions
for
what
to
say
at
this
point.
I
could
reiterate
what
I
said
earlier
that,
if
you
want
to
make
public
comment,
you'll
need
to
call
in
using
the
number.
A
And
you'll
need
to
push
star
three
to
be
in
the
speaker,
queue.
Do
we
have
anyone
in
the
speaker
queue.