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B
Good
morning,
I'm
vice
mayor,
schneider
smith
and
chair
of
the
public
safety
committee.
I'd
like
to
welcome
you
to
the
march
30th
meeting.
All
council,
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually
to
help
the
audience
follow
along
I'll
state.
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section
of
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agenda
allowed.
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are
streaming,
live
on
the
virtual
engagement
hub,
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accessible
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engagement
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city
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also
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option
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the
public
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B
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B
B
E
First,
I
wanted
to
take
some
time
to
return
to
what
I
discussed
at
the
last
public
safety
meeting,
which
is
that
police
falsified
data
that
made
it
seem
like
a
large
swath
of
crime
in
our
community
was
coming
directly
from
encampments
and
during
the
meeting
it
was
suggested
that
we
do
not
need
to
get
caught
up
in
the
data,
even
though
that
very
same
data
has
been
used
to
justify
changing
police
policy,
which
has
resulted
in
increased
encampment
sweeps,
which
are
pushing
people
further
to
the
margins
and
creating
more
safety
issues.
E
Second,
I
would
like
to
speak
to
councilwoman
smith's
comments
at
the
end
of
the
last
meeting,
where
she
suggested
that
an
increased
police
presence
in
communities
make
some
folks
feel
like
their
communities
matter.
According
to
2021
data,
10
of
police
killings
began
with
a
traffic
stop
and
400
innocent
unarmed
people
were
killed
over
the
past
five
years
during
these
stops.
E
Speaking
from
my
experience
in
my
community,
as
well
as
the
experience
of
my
family
members,
having
one
community
constantly
sneaked
out
by
police
does
not
make
me
feel
any
safer,
and
I
don't
think
that
many
of
my
neighbors
would
agree
with
that
either.
It
feels
like
my
highly
gentrified
neighborhood
is
being
specifically
targeted
at
this
point,
and
I
can't
help
but
notice
that
the
south
side
community,
which
the
citizen
times
ran
a
piece
on
this
week,
is
having
the
highest
increase
in
home.
Prices
is
also
where
folks
are
being
most
heavily
targeted
at
the
council.
E
Retreat
council
on
kildboard
suggested
that
we
cannot
redirect
funding
from
policing,
because
police
already
don't
show
up
in
black
communities
when
there
are
safety
issues.
To
me,
this
points
to
an
issue
of
how
police
disproportionately
mistreat
black
communities,
whether
they
are
actively
targeting
them
in
the
case
of
the
south
side
community
or
in
failing
to
provide
them
with
the
services
when
they
request
them.
Next,
I
would
like
to
direct
you
all
to
look
at
the
star
program,
the
support
team
assistant
response
program
in
denver.
E
This
program
was
put
in
place
to
send
out
mental
health
professionals
who
are
qualified
to
deal
with
mental
health
issues,
which
many
folks
in
our
own
house
community
are
also
dealing
with
seven
out
of
ten
of
their
calls
go
to
on
house
people,
and
they
have
managed
to
take
on
750
calls
in
a
six
month
period
with
a
small
staff,
and
denver
is
going
to
give
them
15
times
the
budget
out
of
their
general
fund,
which
is
excellent
news,
because
asheville
still
has
plenty
of
additional
funds
in
our
general
fund
as
well
to
fund
a
program
where
mental
health
professionals
can
respond
to
non-violent
issues,
and
none
of
them
resulted
in
needing
to
call
orange
police
with
the
power
to
incarcerate,
which,
in
the
case
of
asheville,
would
send
them
to
a
jail
where
five
human
lives
have
been
lost
this
year.
E
These
same
folks
are
from
the
mutual
aid
program
that
councilwoman
smith,
so
aptly
pointed
out,
is
the
only
opportunity
in
our
community
to
get
a
hot
meal
on
the
weekends,
and
yet
police
have
been
allowed
to
charge
folks
with
a
charge
that
is
highly
unusual
to
make
up
that
they
made
up
after
the
fact,
in
order
to
try
to
disrupt
the
care
for
one
another
that
is
happening
in
our
communities.
In
the
absence
of
other
interventions.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
B
Okay,
moving
to
the
approval
of
the
minutes,
can
I
get
a
motion
and
a
second
to
approve
the
minutes
from
february.
B
Councilwoman
ronnie,
aye
and
myself
I
minutes
have
been
approved
next
on.
Our
agenda
is
a
request
to
add
funds
to
an
existing
contract
for
a
new
hire
background
investigation
service.
Elise
will
be
presenting
this
item.
G
G
Since
the
execution
of
the
original
contract,
the
vendor
has
completed
26,
full
background
checks,
three
partial
background
checks
and
ten
non-sworn
background
investigations,
as
well
as
two
polygraphs
for
a
total
of
fifty
nine
thousand
five
hundred
seventy
four
dollars
and
forty
cents.
So
this
leaves
us
only
twenty
thousand
four
hundred
twenty
five
dollars
and
60
cents
available
for
the
next
six
invoicing
periods.
G
Apd
is
requesting
approval
from
council
to
add
the
funding
to
our
existing
contract
with
them,
which
brings
the
contract
total
up
from
80
000
to
140
000,
and
we
will
be
using
existing
operating
funds
to
increase
this
contract
amount.
We've
also
requested
additional
funding
for
the
fiscal
year
23
budget
to
cover
these
increased
costing
needs.
G
F
Because
this
contract
is
new
since
2021,
what
is
our
standard
operating
procedure
for
evaluating
the
outcomes
of
contracts
such
as
these?
In
such
a
short
period
of
time.
G
Well,
since
this
one
was
new,
we've
been
keeping
an
eye
on
the
monthly
invoices
to
see
exactly
how
many
people
you
know
are
going
through
this
process
and
keeping
an
eye
on
the
amount
of
money
being
you
know
spent
on
it.
So
we
had
set
some
money
aside,
an
operating
budget
that
we
didn't
put
on
the
contract,
because
we
didn't
know
initially
exactly
how
much
volume
there
was
going
to
be
going
through
here,
depending
on
you
know
the
number
of
candidates
that
applied,
so
we
just
continually
monitor
it
and
that's
why
we've
changed.
G
F
H
I
think
the
some
of
the
partial
some
of
the
partials
are
for
the
one
I
can't
so
we
have
a
for
for
the
the
full
background
check
for
an
officer
is
much
more
in
depth
than
a
non-sworn.
H
F
Thank
you.
I'm
prepared
to
approve
the
contract,
but
but
for
this
contract
period
I
think
we're
going
to
need
to
review
and
make
sure
that
we're
getting
the
outcomes
we
need
so
an
automatic
approval.
Moving
forward.
I
would
like
to
not
include
in
the
motion.
B
All
right
sandra,
do
you
have
any
questions
or
any
comments
to
me.
B
Okay,
I
make
a
motion
to
recommend
the
adoption
of
a
resolution
to
allow
apd
to
add
additional
funding
to
the
existing
contract
with
uss
iss
agency
llc
for
a
new
higher
background
investigation
services,
as
well
as
allow
the
city
manager
to
approve
any
further
increases
due
to
volume
or
contract
renewal
to
be
moved
forward
to
city
council
on
april
12.
2022.
F
This
is
kim.
I
make
a
friendly
amendment
to
remove
the
automatic
approval
by
the
city
manager,
I'd
like
to
see
that
come
back
to
the
city
council
to
make
sure
that
we
know
why
the
contract
would
continue
to
increase.
B
B
Okay,
there's
a
friendly
amendment.
Added
added
to
the
motion:
is
there
a
second.
B
There's
no
second
being
rendered
I'll
go
back
to
the
original
motion
for
a
motion
to
recommend
the
adoption
of
the
resolution
for
additional
funding
on
for
the
new
hire
background
investigation
service,
as
well
as
allow
the
city
manager
to
approve
any
further
increases
due
to
the
volume
of
contract
renewal
and
this
being
moved
forward
to
council
on
april
12.
2022..
B
I
Okay,
our
key
takeaways
from
today's
presentation
is
that
violent
crime
has
been
increasing
in
many
municipalities
across
the
nation
across
north
carolina
and
in
asheville.
I
Apd
continues
to
focus
on
the
seizure
of
stolen
firearms
in
order
to
further
the
reduction
in
gun
violence.
We
are
improving
our
forensic
capabilities
to
assist
in
violent
crime
investigations
and
moving
forward.
Community
support
services
and
opportunity
must
be
enhanced
to
create
a
foundation
for
safety
and
for
trust.
Next,
please.
I
I
think,
regardless
of
whether
we
pick
up
a
newspaper,
we
we
watch
the
tv
news
or
look
on
the
internet,
we'll
see
that
headlines
throughout
just
how
gun
violence
is
on
the
rise
throughout
our
country.
I
I
When
you
look
at
violent
crimes
for
100
000
people,
you
can
see
per
100
000
people
asheville.
There
are
805
violent
crimes
per
100,
000
persons
that
is
double
the
national
average,
almost
double
the
average
in
north
carolina,
and
you
can
kind
of
see
where
we
fit
in
and
again
these
were
just
random
cities
that
we
selected
some
just
because
of
their
proximity
to
asheville,
but
just
some
national
perspective,
as
well
as
we
throw
new
york,
charlotte
and
chicago
in
there.
So
you
can
see.
I
I
I
So
what
what
this
chart
intends
to
show
is
really
what's
driving
the
rise
in
violent
crime
in
our
city
since
over
the
last
five
years,
so
you
can
see
when
we're
talking
about
violent
crime,
we're
talking
about
murder,
sex
crimes,
robbery
and
also
aggravated
assaults
as
your
primary
violent
crimes,
homicide,
rape,
robbery.
Those
numbers
have
stayed
somewhat
level
over
the
five-year
period.
When
it
comes
to
robbery
and
armed
robbery,
we
did
see
a
slight
reduction
in
2020,
we're
not
sure
if
that's
more
covet
related
with
businesses
and
so
forth
being
closed.
I
I
Ucr
program
further
specified
that
this
type
of
assault
is
usually
accompanied
by
the
use
of
a
weapon
or
by
other
means
likely
to
produce
death
or
great
bodily
harm.
So
you
can
see
aggravated
assault
is
really
what's
driving.
I
The
increase
in
violent
crime
in
the
city
of
asheville,
some
slight
good
news,
is
that
we
did
see
a
two
percent
reduc
overall
reduction
in
violent
crime
in
2021
compared
to
2020.,
so
slight
reduction
there.
So
the
good
news
it
didn't
go
up
the
bad
news.
We
were
hoping
that
there'd
be
a
further
reduction.
I
As
I
said,
fortunately,
homicide
has
not
in
murders,
have
not
seen
a
major
increase
in
our
city
like
they
have
in
many
cities
across
the
country.
Our
homicide
rate
has
been
relatively
flat
and
steady.
Unfortunately,
you
know
every
every
homicide
is
a
tragedy,
and
you
know
we're
pleased
that
that
number
has
not
grown
as
it
has.
But,
of
course,
you
know
we're
compassionate
to
all
victims.
I
Our
police
department
has
been
very
proactive
and
done
a
very
good
job
in
solving
these
homicides.
We
are
our
clearance
rate
over
this
period
has
been
71
percent
and
that's
10
higher
than
what
the
national
average
was
in
2019.
The
last
time
a
study
was
done,
but
I
was,
I
was
recently
reading
another
article
on
2021
numbers,
where
the
clearance
rate
nationally
has
actually
dropped
to
almost
50
percent.
I
Next,
please,
as
I
said,
a
primary
goal
for
us
in
2021
was
to
reduce
the
number
of
gun
discharge
calls.
We
saw
a
steady
rise
from
2018
to
2020,
where
in
2020
we
actually
answered
652
calls
of
shots
fired
in
this
city,
which
was
a
very,
very
high
number
we.
Finally,
this
is
the
first
time
in
four
years
we
were
actually
able
to
reduce
that
number.
So
in
2021
there
was
a
16
reduction
in
gun
discharge
calls
for
service
compared
to
the
prior
year.
I
A
contributing
factor
for
those
discharge
call
discharge,
discharge,
gun
discharge
calls
and
osha
or
gunshot
victims
is
there's
been
a
sharp
increase
in
the
number
of
stolen
arms,
stolen
firearms
reported
in
2021
alone,
there
was
a
77
in
percent
increase
in
the
number
of
stolen
firearms
reported
compared
to
2020..
I
I
Normally
our
average
is
is
208
per
year,
but
you
can
see
in
2021,
we
took
over
234
took
234
guns
off
the
street,
so
we
saw
a
significant
increase
from
2020.
A
13
increase
in
gun
seized.
I
I
On
average,
we
were
looking
at
40
one
per
year
so
again
down
significantly,
and
these
counts
were
based
on
victims
that
were
actually
struck
with
gunfire,
but
excludes
victims
that
were
threatened
or
hit
with
a
firearm.
I
Next,
please,
an
area
that
we've
really
focused
on
over
the
last
year
and
again
gun
violence
was
driving.
The
necessity
here
is
that
we've
been
really
able
to
increase
and
enhance
our
forensic
capabilities.
I've
invited
captain
silverman
the
head
of
our
investigative
division
to
kind
of
highlight
where
we've
been
able
to
go
as
far
as
enhancing
our
forensic
capability.
J
Kevin
the
first
major
purchase
recently
was
ballistics
iq
or
biq.
J
It
involves
the
per
the
initial
purchase
was
for
hardware
software
and
the
train
and
on-site
training.
J
This
was
in
addition
to
we
purchased
a
shot
tank
in
2020,
and
so
now
this
is
the
the
next
obvious
step,
the
some
of
the
evidence
we
gain
from
our
shot
tank
and
that
our
officers
recover
and
forensic
techs
recover
at
the
scene
can
be
put
into
the
system.
The
hardware
is
it's:
it's
somewhat
portable.
We
can
bring
it
to
scenes,
mostly
it's
used
at
the
office.
J
What
it
does
is
it
takes
ultra
high
quality
photos
of
the
shell
pacing
uploads
it
to
uploads
it
to
a
shared,
a
shared
cloud
where
ballistic
experts
review
it,
it
does
have
some.
J
J
While
we
still
had
their
experts
on
site,
we
uploaded
our
most
recent
shooting
evidence
or
homicide
evidence
and
were
immediately
able
to
link
it
to
another
incident
that
happened
days
before,
and
we
also
uploaded
a
recent
shooting
scene,
the
one
that
occurred
on
depot
street
at
a
convenience
store,
and
it
was
very
quickly
able
to
tell
us
the
exact
number
of
firearms
used
and
give
us
an
idea
of
what
we
were
looking
for
on
site,
and
that
was
very
helpful
for
detectives
that
were
working
the
case
in
real
time.
J
The
next
acquisition
was
truenarc.
This
was
we've
been
looking
at
buying
one
for
some
time
it
was
a
24
000
purchase,
but
we
were
able
to
get
one
for
free
from
the
department
of
health
and
human
services.
That
was
also
in
conjunction
with
training.
J
It
is
being
mainly
operated
by
our
forensic
technicians
and
it
is
does
presumptive
fields.
It
field
testing,
for
most
narcotics,
everything
but
cannabinoids
it
uses
a
laser,
is
sort
of
like
mass
spectrometry,
where
you
don't
have
to
open
packaging,
which
is
a
major
safety
aspect
that
we're
able
to
bring
because
before.
If
we
did
want
to
do
in-house
testing,
you
had
to
crack
open
original
packaging
and
expose
yourself
to
to
the
chemical
you
were
testing
pros.
J
Is
it
also
cuts
down
lab
processing
time,
because
you
have
a
good
idea,
what
you're
going
to
be
testing
for,
and
so
that's
some
of
the
initial
tests
that
could
be
run.
Another
big
pro
is
you
know
whether
or
not
you
are
dealing
with
real
narcotics
early
in
the
first
week
of
use,
a
presumptive
test
was
conducted.
We
found
that
we
had
fake
narcotics
and
it
basically
insulates
you.
It
prevents
erroneous
charging.
J
The
third
is
not
here
yet,
but
will
be
soon,
which
is
the
leica
rtc
360..
It
is
the
one
of
the
best
crime
scene
scanning
devices
that
you
could
purchase.
It
cuts
down
what
could
be
hours
of
scene,
processing
and
measurement
time
to
minutes
takes.
Does
3d
mapping
of
the
crime
scene
scanning
of
the
crime
scene,
takes
high
quality
photos
and
does
some
3d
modeling
as
well.
J
One
of
the
major
pros,
too,
is,
with
accident
scenes
a
little
different
from
a
crime
scene
where
you're
shutting
down
an
area
usually
off
of
a
public
thoroughfare.
This
will
allow
us
to
open
up
roadways
much
much
faster,
especially
with
staffing
having
to
redirect
traffic
and
also
an
inconvenience
to
the
public.
We
could
it'll
cut
down
hours
of
road
closure
time.
I
Thank
you
kevin
that
ballistics
iq
system.
There
are
only
40
agencies
in
the
country
that
currently
have
this
technology,
so
we're
fortunate
to
be
one
of
them
and,
as
the
captain
says,
it
really
assists
in
getting
us
real-time
information,
especially
after
a
shooting
scene
or
or
a
homicide,
the
ability
to
speed
that
process.
I
I
So
we
have
had
some
success,
obviously
in
2021,
and
we
want
that
a
success
to
continue,
and
in
order
to
do
that,
we
have
to
continue
to
build
trust
in
our
community
through
transparency,
accountability
and
responsiveness.
I
We
also
must
ensure
that
the
victims
of
violent
crime
continue
to
receive
effective
services
and
support
not
only
through
the
city
but
the
county
as
well,
and
we
still
want
to
work
with
our
community
members
and
many
who've
had
similar
lived
experience,
who
are
credible
messengers
to
assist
us
in
the
prevention
of
violence,
so
we're
not
only
responding
to
violence,
some
of
the
things
that
we
have
done
that
have
been
very
successful.
Obviously,
I've
talked
about
it.
Many
times
is
our
tip
four
one,
one
anonymous
tip
line.
I
We
continue
to
get
a
tremendous
amount
of
information
supplied
to
us
from
the
community
in
in
some
of
these
instances
where
violent
crime
has
occurred
in
2021
we've,
we
reformed
our
community
engagement
division.
I
Currently,
that
division
has
really
been
closely
tied
to
issues
that
affect
houselessness
in
the
city,
but
ultimately,
when
we're
fully
staffed,
is
we
really
want
to
get
those
officers
into
the
neighborhoods
in
really
building
relationships
and
building
trust?
That's
the
ultimate
goal
of
that
division.
Again
we're
a
little
bit
understaffed,
but
that
is
the
long-term
goal,
we'll
be
rolling
out
our
lights
on
program.
I
Again,
that's
about
your
system
when
we're
dealing
with
equipment,
defects,
particularly
lighting
defects,
on
vehicles.
Again,
we
don't
want
to
be
punitive.
We
want
to
provide
solutions
and
we
hope
that
that
continues
to
build
trust
in
our
community.
Will
people
more
willing
to
talk
to
us
and
come
forward
which
is
so
vital
to
the
reduction
of
violent
crime
and
finally,
we're
still
working
with
community
leaders
and
trying
to
identify
community
partners
to
assist
us
in
violence
interruption.
I
I
I
We
continue
to
focus
on
the
seizure
of
stolen
firearms
in
order
to
further
the
reduction
in
gun
violence,
we're
improving
our
forensic
capabilities
to
assist
in
violent
crime
investigations
and
just
moving
forward.
Community
support
services
and
opportunity
must
be
enhanced
to
create
a
foundation
for
safety
and
for
trust.
C
C
Okay
and
I
was
looking
at
a
slide
8,
I
was
actually
what
in
2018,
where
it
was.
You
know
just
a
whole
lot
higher
incident
record.
I
was
just
wondering:
is
there
a
correlation
in?
Do
you
see
a
correlation
in
drug
activity
and
homicides
and
if
so,
what
would
you
say?
The
homicide
percentage
of
those
victims
are
related
to
drug
activity.
C
J
I
could
better
answer
that
question
with
a
deeper
dive
into
each
of
the
cases
there
were
13
total
three
were
due
to
a
domestic
incident,
and
that
was
all
in
one
incident.
That
was
a
a
notorious
tragedy
in
west
asheville
at
a
home,
but
just
in
seeing
just
at
a
cursory
glance.
J
I
I
do
know
there's
at
least
one
other
domestic
incident
on
here
on
here,
but
I
could
I
could
forward
you
a
breakdown
of
our
suspected
motivation
behind
each
one
out
of
the
13
tenor
solved
and
three
are
still
open,
one
of
which
is
being
actively
worked
right
now.
Still,
it
is
the
derrick
lee
case
from
old
lee
walker.
C
C
Is
basically
you
have
about
three
or
maybe
four,
which
were
domestically
more
or
less
the
reason
problems,
domestic
issues,
so
the
others?
Could
you
sort
of
say
that
those
may
have
been
connected
to
drug
activity.
J
One
of
them
we're
fairly
certain
may
have
some
connection.
It
is
another
one
of
the
unsolved.
The
last
one
that
occurred
this
year
is
a
strong
suspicion,
the
others,
while
they're
loosely
connected
to
their
activity.
They
are
somewhat
connected.
It
could
be
argued
that
more
more
and
less
are
somewhat
connected
to
the
culture
of
selling
drugs.
I
And
I
think
that
that's
probably
true
when
you
look
not
necessarily
at
the
number
of
homicides,
but
just
the
gun,
discharges
and
also
victims
struck
by
gunfire,
there's.
Definitely
in
many
many
of
those
cases,
a
correlation
between
drug
activity
and
and
the
violence
itself.
I
think
that's
a
fair
assumption.
J
For
sure
the
the
last,
especially
with
we,
we
did
have
a
recent
conviction,
I
believe,
he's
still
awaiting
additional
sentencing,
which
is
antonio
bozeman,
he's
a
a
known
narcotics
dealer,
and
there
are
several
others
that
have
been
recently
connected
with
aggravated
assault.
That
is
shooting
another
person
that
didn't
result
in
a
homicide
that
they
are
like
known,
narcotics,
distributors,.
C
Okay,
another
question
I'd
like
to
ask:
is
I
realize
I'm
so
happy
about
the
lights
out
program
that
the
that
they
put
in
place?
I
was
just
wondering:
is
it
any
way
that
particular
program
can
actually
is
it
to
be
expanded
to
other
services,
and
the
reason
I
I
say
that
is
because
what
happens
like
you
say
this
definitely
helps
because
it
cuts
down
on
stopping
people
and
not
being
able
to
give
them
solutions
to
actually
help
them
do
better,
and
I
was
just
wondering,
would
it
be
say,
for
instance,
someone
with
a.
C
Maybe
an
expired
or
a
temporary
tag.
That's
actually
just
different
things
like
that.
That
may
actually
help
the
community
where
it
was
not
not
done
purposefully,
but
it
puts
them
in
a
predicament
to
as
to
being
able
to
be
fined
more
where
they
don't
even
have
the
money
to
even
pay
the
fine
or
they
don't
have
a
month
the
money
to
correct
the
issue
that
could
actually
help.
So
I
was
just
wondering
about
that.
C
Do
you
think
there's
any
room
for
that
program
to
be
expanded
to
to
prevent
a
lot
of
unnecessary
hardships
on
people
in
the
community
that
are
vulnerable
or
you
know
more
susceptible
to
these
stocks.
I
Just
just
to
be
clear
lights
on
has
not
officially
kicked
off.
We've
just
been
finalizing
the
printing
of
the
vouchers,
and
so
far
they
just
received
some
information
just
yesterday.
So
we're
very
close
on
kicking
that
program
off
we
finalized.
I
You
know
one
of
the
one
of
the
key
components
is
actually
to
have
the
repair
shops
on
board.
So
we
were
just
in
conference
last
week
where
we
have
found
those
repair
shops
who
are
willing
to
accept
the
voucher.
So
there
were
some
logistical
things
that
still
had
to
be
finalized,
which
we've
done
so
we
will
be
kicking
that
off
very
shortly
as
far
as
expanding
the
program.
I
Obviously
we'll
you
know
we'll
gauge
the
success
of
the
of
the
current
one
and
if
it
can
be
expanded,
we'll
look
into
that,
but
obviously
that
becomes
a
financial
issue.
Lighting
defects
are
relatively
inexpensive
repairs.
If
we
start
getting
into
other
areas,
you
know
the
expense
could
become
greater.
As
far
as
when
we
talk
about
expired
tags
and
so
forth,
you
know
we
do
realize
the
the
financial
impact
that
that
can
create,
especially
if
a
vehicle
is
towed
or
impounded.
I
So
what
we
look
for
there
and
what
we're
trying
to
educate
our
officers
on
is
those
expenses
and
that
we
encourage
our
officers.
You
know
not
only
to
keep
the
highways
safe,
but
also
to
exercise
discretion
in
issuing
those
those
summonses.
I
So
that's
an
important
part
and
we
want
our
officers
to
be
empathetic
with
the
plight,
especially
with
those
suffering
from
financial
hardship
that
just
how
much
what
these
costs
actually
are
on
the
individual.
So
most
of
that
is
tied
to
discretion,
and
but
of
course,
you
know,
we
also
have
to
keep
our
highways
safe.
So
if
we
do
have
a
vehicle
with,
you
know
significant
equipment,
defects.
I
B
I'm
captain
silberman,
I
have
a
question
for
you
concerning
the
gun
discharge
calls
for
service
when
you're,
when
you're
using
ballistic
iq.
B
J
Yes,
we
had
already
been
able
to
work.
We
have
been
working
with
the
state
lab
for
since
late
2020
and
our
crime
analyst
was
directly
piped
into
the
doug
ozer
and
we
were
connecting
different
gun
discharge
incidents
and
especially
if
they
were
located
around
an
area,
we're
also
looking
to
connect
those
to
actual
intelligence.
So,
even
if
we
had
just
evidence
in
one,
especially
if
it
was
one
known
to
be
in
the
middle,
do
we
have
the
same
doer
for
each
one
of
them
that
had
already
that
was
already
in
process.
J
The
trouble
with
that
is.
We
would
get
that
information
well
out
like
it
could
be
months
out,
and
at
that
point
the
cases
were
much
much
harder
to
work
with
ballistics
iq.
What
that
lets
us
do
is
it
gives
it
to
us
in
real
time.
Ballistics
iq
doesn't
take
away
the
human
intelligence
aspect
of
detective
work,
that
which
is
the
most
important
aspect
of
it,
but
it
actually
enhances
it
detectives
in
instead
of
having
to
go
back
and
re-interview
or
go
back
and
look
for
evidence
and
information
they're
able
to
get
it
in
real
time.
B
Because
I
know
we
have
a
lot
of
guns
on
the
streets
and
I
know
that
there
there's
a
lot
of
gun
discharge,
but
I
believe
the
community
and
a
lot
of
groups
of
people
also
believe
that
there
are
a
few
players
who
are
just
being
very
out
of
control.
So
out
of
the
547
calls
for
service,
it
would
be
great
to
know
how
many
guns
were
how
many
guns
were
used
based
on
our
testing
of
shale
casings.
I
Absolutely
I
mean-
and
we've
been
to
some
of
these
scenes
where
you
know
30
40
shots
may
have
been
fired
and
find
out
that
only
two
or
three
guns
were
actually
involved,
but
the
ability
to
connect
cases.
You
know
there
may
be
more
evidence
at
one
scene
than
another,
but
when
you
can
start
connecting
those
cases
together
rapidly,
you
know
you
can
use
that
evidence
from
perhaps
another
scene
to
tie
it
to
another
crime
and
really
start
to
narrow
down
your
suspect
list.
I
That's
where
we
can
really
start
to
expand
on
our
ability
to
to
interrupt
violence
before
it
takes
place.
When
you
start
making
connections
and
drawing
specific
suspects
to
two
similar
incidents
and
just
get
to
those
individuals
quicker,
so
it
really
again
cuts
down
on
investigative
time,
lead
time
and
also
just
allows
us
potentially
to
have
a
more
proactive
approach.
I
So
technology
in
this
area
was
badly
needed
and
again
you
know
we're
one
of
only
40
agencies
in
the
country
who
are
using
this.
So
it's
it's
quite
a
a
boon
to
our
investigative
services.
B
When
it
comes
to
seizing
stolen
firearms,
like
what
does
that
effort,
look
like,
how
are
we
able
to
retrieve
stolen
firearms
unless
we're
doing
traffic
stops
or
randoms
like?
How
are
you
led
to
identify
or
or
to
seize
something?
That's
a
firearm
is
sold.
J
So
intelligence
comes
from
a
number
of
different
places,
one
of
which
is
ballistic
iq
now,
especially,
and
to
what
you
said
there
are
just.
J
There
is
a
small
group
of
different
individuals
in
different
places
that
terrorize
specific
communities,
and
there
is
an
effort
to
get
away
from
random
stops
or
to
investigate
the
bulk
of
what
comes
in
as
drug
tips,
giving
each
the
same
amount
of
weight,
so
doug
ozer
provides
a
lot
of
the
help
of
managing
all
the
intelligence
that
comes
in
it
comes
in
from
tip411
is
one
of
one
of
the
ways
it
comes
in
through
human
intelligence,
like
people
that
do
talk
to
the
police.
J
The
the
unit
in
and
of
itself,
when
they're
out
working
generally
comes
back
with
one
to
five
firearms
forever.
Every
time
they're
able
to
go
out
which
we
try
and
streamline
to
a
daily
basis,
but
they
do
get
bogged
down
with
court
and
paperwork
and
things
like
that.
I
I
You
know
some
of
these
suspects
are
packing
a
significant
amount
of
firearms
and
we're
recovering
a
number
of
firearms
at
each
at
each
investigation,
not
just
not
just
a
single
gun.
J
C
Yes,
just
like
to
ask
a
question:
I
noticed
in
the
news
that
a
lot
of
firearms
and
drug
activity
has
been
have
been
sort
of
placed
in
custody.
As
far
as,
and
I'm
just
wondering,
with
all
of
that
going
on,
have
you
all
seen
a
any
kind
of
difference
as
far
as
the
drug
activity?
In
light
of
all
the
arrests
that
have
been
made,
can
you
can
do
you
see
it
that
it's
made
an
impact
in
the
communities.
J
For
major
seizures,
sometimes
we'll
see
small
impacts
that
are
localized
or,
but
those
are
only
for
larger
seizures
for
most
of
the
smaller
seizures
we
make.
Even
though
it
is
a
a
great
value
of
narcotics,
several
grams
of
fentanyl
are
many
many
dosage
units
and
many
many
potential
lethal
dosage
units.
B
J
So
after
seizure,
there
are
a
lot
of
lab
process
that
come
associated
with
the
gun
and
the
gun
is
technically
evidence
and
it
is
held
pending
a
court
process
if,
if
eventually
we're
done
with
that
court
process
and
there's
some
kind
of
end,
either
through
a
conviction
or
through
a
dismissal,
but
we
don't
need
it
as
evidence
anymore.
It's
returned
to
the
lawful
owner.
F
This
is
kim.
I
want
to
go
back
to
the
conversation
around
violence
interrupters.
We
know
that
our
young
people
are
having
incidents
with
violence
and
it
would
help
to
have
a
greater
understanding
of
who's
been
reached
out
to
and
our
youth
mentors
and
community
leaders
that
work
with
youth
being
included.
In
those
conversations.
I
Yeah
I
started
those
conversations
when
I
first
arrived
here
in
asheville.
I
had
several
community
leaders
express
interests
in
assisting
us
with
that,
and
some
have
now
changed
their
mind
on
assisting
us
for
various
reasons.
So
we're
always
looking
for
partners
that
work
continues
and
hopefully
we'll
be
able
to
identify
some,
but
it
has
not
been
an
easy
process.
B
All
right,
thank
you
for
this
presentation.
B
D
Hi
grant
millen
I'm
running
for
asheville
city
council
and
first
I
want
to
say
that
the
previous
caller
talked
about
traffic
stops
and
police.
D
Fatal
use
of
force
it
sounded
like
one
of
the
mayoral
candidates.
D
He
said
he
doesn't
want
to
return
to
zero
tolerance
about
discussions
about
gangs
and
he
doesn't
want
apd
to
shoot
first
and
ask
questions
later
and
again.
I'm
kind
of
paraphrasing
and
it's
clear
in
print.
I
just
wanted
to
say
apt-
doesn't
isn't
shooting
it
there.
There
are
no
apd
fatal
fatalities
during
apd
interactions
with
perpetrators
or
innocent
people
or
anyone.
D
I
don't
even
know
what
what
injuries
are
taking
place,
but
I
would
think
our
news
folks
would
be
hot
on
the
trail
of
even
serious
injuries
and
unfortunately
there
were.
There
was
a
serious
injury,
for
example,
with
the
june
2020
civil
unrest
period,
and
I
just
I
sent
a
couple
of
emails.
The
second
one,
the
second
email
they
didn't
seem
to
get
into
the
record.
D
Graph
on
really
all
crime
because
they
can
get
the
different
calls
for
service
can
get.
There's
there's
a
whole
bunch
of
different
things
going
on.
There
are
death
investigations
that
start
out
as
death
investigations.
There's
a
body
and
you
find
out
it
gets
disposed
some
that
natural
causes
unnatural
causes,
so
there's
a
whole
bunch
of
things
that
could
go
on
and
apd
has
a
lot
going
on
already.
So
data
is
just
it
can't
be
the
only
thing
that
they're
doing-
and
I
just
finally
wanted.