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From YouTube: Governance Committee
Description
June 14, 2022
B
Okay
good
afternoon
and
welcome
to
the
actual
city
council
governance
subcommittee,
my
name
is
esther
mannheimer,
I'm
the
mayor
of
the
city
of
asheville
and
I'm
chair
of
the
governance
committee
and
I'd
like
to
welcome
you
to
the
september
13th
meeting.
All
council
members
and
staff
are
participating.
Virtually
we
are
streaming
live
on
our
virtual
engagement
hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city's
website.
We
also
have
an
option
for
the
public
to
listen,
live
by
phone
by
dialing
855-925-2801.
B
B
B
And
our
office
of
sustainability,
director
bridget
perring,
hello,
everyone,
okay,
my
little
remarks
here
only
have
me
introducing
that
many
people,
but
I
can
clearly
see
there
are
more
city
staff
on
here.
So
as
we
go
through
this
meeting,
we
will
introduce
more
folks
so
to
begin
our
agenda.
We
need
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes
from
june.
Do
I
have
a
motion?
Good
move,
right
and
gwen?
Will
you
second
that
motion?
B
B
E
E
For
the
first
time
ever,
we
are
asking
that
city
council
approve
a
new
rule
to
be
added
to
its
existing
rules
of
procedure,
which
will
essentially
set
the
policy
for
remote
participation
for
council
members,
including
council
meetings
as
a
whole
and
council
subcommittee
such
as
this
one.
Therefore,
the
recommendation
that
we're
asking
for
is
the
council
approve
to
the
full
city
council,
a
recommendation
to
pass
a
resolution
amending
the
city
council
rules,
a
procedure
to
include
a
remote
attendance
provision
in
those
rules.
E
E
In
march
of
2020,
along
with
the
onset
of
the
pandemic,
the
governor
of
north
carolina
issued
a
state
of
emergency,
along
with
that
state
of
emergency.
Our
legislature
passed
a
new
law
session
law,
2020-3,
better
known
as
the
remote
meetings
policy
or
rule
in
part
because
it
allowed
local
governments
such
as
ours,
to
meet
remotely
or
virtually
during
the
state
of
emergency.
E
The
recommended
changes
that
we
have
here
today
will
provide
that
first
written
policy
utilizing
that
state
statutory
allowance
to
govern
how
council
members
will
be
able
to
attend
and
participate
in
meetings
remotely
up
to
the
limits
that
our
law
allows,
which
are
very
slightly
different
and
somewhat
less
than
what
was
permitted
under
the
state
of
emergency.
Let
me
talk
to
you
specifically
about
the
rule
changes
with
regard
to
council
committees
and
again
these
are
only
those
committees
that
are
fully
staffed
by
elected
members
of
council.
E
This
does
not
apply
to
boards
and
commissions
or
other
advisory
bodies
of
the
council,
these
particular
council
committees.
If,
under
the
new
rule
it
is
adopted,
those
council
members
will
be
able
to
continue
meeting
virtually
and
attending
fully
electronically,
as
you
have
been
doing
for
several
months,
this
includes
counting
those
members
attending
electronically
as
part
of
the
quorum
and
being
able
to
participate
in
discussions
and
vote
essentially
very
status
quo
for
what
you
have
been
doing
for
several
months.
E
Secondarily,
with
regard
to
council
meetings,
council
meetings
will
be
conducted
in
person
as
they
have
now
been
for
several
months.
Council
members,
however,
will
have
an
allowance
if
circumstances
require
to
attend
meetings
by
telephone
or
some
other
electronic
needs
when
they
are
unable
to
attend
in
person.
E
This
matches
up
very
closely
with
where
north
carolina
law
places
the
highest
burden
on
the
prime
governing
body
for
physical
attendance
at
its
meetings,
north
carolina
law
regarding
voting
of
public
bodies
contained
in
north
carolina
general
statute.
168-75
right
now
currently
refers
very
specifically
to
physical
attendance
for
these
kind
of
actionable
votes
and
therefore
we
feel
it's
imperative,
as
council
has
already
been
doing,
to
continue
to
meet
remotely.
E
But
this
new
policy
will
give
council
members
the
written
ability,
under
certain
circumstances,
to
call
into
meetings.
However,
although
they
will
be
able
to
participate
in
discussions,
debates
close
sessions
as
well
as
hearing
public
comment
and
other
public
hearings,
those
members
participating
remotely
will
not
be
counted
towards
the
quorum.
Nor
will
they
be
allowed
to
cast
a
vote
in
open
or
closed
session
again.
E
So
I
know
I've,
given
you
a
lot
of
information,
but
I
think
the
most
important
elements
to
take
away
from
this
are
essentially
that
this
is
something
we
need
to
do
in
order
to
bridge
the
gap
between
the
now
terminated
state
law
which
existed
under
the
state
of
emergency
by
creating
our
own
local
policy
for
council
attendance.
Virtually
it
also
essentially
mirrors
the
status
quo.
As
you
can
see,
council
committees
have
been
meeting
virtually
and
they'll
be
able
to
continue
to
do
that.
E
City
council,
on
the
other
hand,
has
already
been
meeting
virtually
and
it
will
be
able
to
do
so
as
well.
We're
merely
defining
those
circumstances
in
a
limited
fashion
that
comply
with
our
state
law
allowances,
where
council
members
can
participate
remotely
at
the
full
city
council
meeting
of
utmost
importance.
However,
these
new
rules
only
deal
with
council
membership,
the
elected
members
of
the
council.
E
This
does
not
in
any
way
address
rules
or
apply
new
restrictions
on
the
public's
ability
to
participate,
attend,
speak
at
or
otherwise
be
active
with
any
of
your
meetings
as
council
committees
or
a
city
council.
These
rules
will
only
dictate
how
council
members
can
participate
and
attend
meetings.
Members
of
the
public
will
continue
to
be
able
to
participate,
utilizing
all
the
methods
already
available
to
them
and
any
additional
options
that
we
add
to
our
repertoire
as
we
begin
expanding
those
as
part
of
our
ongoing
programs
to
increase
access
and
transparency.
E
Now,
with
all
that
said,
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
you've
got,
but
I
will
reiterate
the
request
is
that
this
particular
committee
approve
a
recommendation
to
the
full
city
council
to
adopt
a
resolution
amending
your
city
council
rules
of
procedure
to
add
a
new
rule,
number
36,
dictating
the
rules
for
remote
participation
in
council
committee
and
city
council
meetings.
With
that
I'll,
happily
take
any
questions
you
may
have.
F
Any
questions,
so
this
is
kim
in
the
boards
and
commission
meeting
earlier
this
afternoon
we
had
a
discussion
that
included
procedures
around
advisory
boards,
so
for
members
of
the
public
who
are
watching
this
conversation
and
have
questions
about
how
our
advisory
boards
may
be
meeting
moving
forward
and
what
this
might
mean
for
their
meetings.
That
archive
is
available,
since
this
is
just
about
the
council
procedures,
I'm
ready
to
support
it.
G
F
I,
and
as
an
additional
note,
I
think
it
is
worthwhile
to
acknowledge
that
I
have
heard
the
concerns
that,
if
council
is
going
to
be
able
to
meet
in
some
sort
of
hybrid
form,
where
you
have
an
in-person
meeting,
but
one
person
are
not
a
majority
able
to
attend
remotely
the
same
expectation
would
be
welcome
for
our
advisory
boards
as
well.
That
wasn't
part
of
our
decision
today.
C
Thank
you
mayor
and
good
afternoon
quick
note.
This
scope
of
today's
conversation
is
directed
solely
at
city
council
committee,
so
of
course,
governance
being
an
example
of
that
housing
and
community
development
being
another
example.
But
what
we're
requesting
feedback
on
today
does
not
pertain
directly
to
advisory
boards
solely
to
the
composition
of
city
council
committees.
C
Next
slide,
please
jenna,
and
today
really
is
a
continuation
of
the
conversation
that
was
held
back
on
may
10th
as
a
part
of
your
work
session.
That
discussion
was
led
by
sarah
gross
and
so
today,
since
some
time
has
passed,
we're
seeking
additional
feedback,
we're
not
requesting
a
vote
today
as
a
quick
reminder,
city,
council
committees,
review
policy
matters
and
inform
and
educate
council
on
city
programs
and
community
matters.
C
Council
committees
have
not
been
reviewed
or
updated
since
2006
and
given
the
tremendous
change
that's
occurred,
organizationally
and
within
the
community.
We
wanted
to
get
feedback
from
you.
If
you
view
your
committees,
as
currently
being
in
alignment
with
these
data
status
of
your
priorities,
as
well
as
the
community
feedback
from
today,
will
inform
ongoing
work
that
we
have
to
enhance
our
organizational
alignment
with
city
council's
vision
as
well
as
priorities
next
slide,
please.
C
So
at
the
conclusion
of
today's
conversation,
we're
hopeful
to
get
two
primary
questions
answered.
First,
do
the
names
of
the
proposed
council
committees
align
with
the
community
and
organizational
issues
as
well
as
priorities
and,
second,
what
concerns?
If
any,
do
you
have
proceeding
with
the
proposed
council
committee
structure?
So
that's
the
two
primary
questions
that
we're
hoping
to
have
answered.
Of
course,
we
welcome
any
feedback
that
this
committee
has
as
well
next
slide,
please.
C
C
There
have
been
a
few
tweaks,
such
as
human
resources
was
added
to
the
finance
and
hr
committee
in
2018,
governance
was
created
in
2013
and
then
I
don't
believe
we
have
a
specific
date,
but
we
do
have
documentation
prior
to
1997
that
some
iteration
of
the
boards
and
commissions
committee
has
existed
since
then,
but
the
majority
of
our
existing
committee
structure
was
established
in
2006
and
has
remained
unchanged
since
that
time
next
slide.
Please
so
how
we
got
to
this
point.
Of
course
we
reviewed
your
strategic
priorities
at
your
march
2022
retreat.
C
We
made
a
commitment
at
that
time
to
provide
regular
status
of
the
projects
that
staff
is
working
on
that
are
aligned
with
your
priorities
and
the
council
committees
is
a
primary
vehicle
to
provide
those
status
updates
to
city
council
in
may.
As
I
already
mentioned,
sarah
gross
led
a
work
session
that
hit
on
both
the
board
and
commission
structure,
as
well
as
the
city
council
committee
structure,
and
what
we're
seeking
feedback
today
from
yuan
is
solely
on
the
city.
C
C
So
these
names
are
a
little
bit
adjusted
based
on
the
feedback
that
we
received
from
you
back
in
may,
but
on
the
left
hand,
side
of
your
screen
is
the
current
structure
of
our
existing
six
cities.
Council
committees.
On
the
right
hand,
side
of
the
screen
is
the
proposed
structure.
So
I'll
just
note
a
couple
of
those
changes.
C
The
next
slide
kind
of
goes
into
a
little
more
detail
on
what
we're
proposing.
So
you
can
kind
of
see
a
side
by
side
of
the
city.
Council's
vision,
focus
areas,
your
current
fiscal
year,
council
strategic
priorities,
the
proposed
council
committee
and
then
that
right
hand,
column
notes.
Is
this
a
new
committee
or
what
are
the
proposed
changes
associated
with
those
committees?
C
Next
slide,
please
so
again
just
to
go
through
those
questions.
What
we're
seeking
feedback
from
from
you
today
are
do
the
names
of
the
proposed
council
committees
align
with
your
view
of
the
communities
as
well
as
your
city
council
priorities
and
then
what
concerns?
If
any,
do
you
have
with
us
proceeding
with
the
proposed
council
committee
structure?
C
Ultimately,
we
would
bring
back
any
feedback
we
received
from
you
today
to
a
future
governance
committee
meeting
and
then
we
would
be
requesting
once
we
get
sign
off
and
approval
from
this
committee.
We
would
be
requesting
consideration
of
full
city
council
prior
to
ultimately
implementing
those
recommendations.
Next
slide,
please.
C
So
next
steps
we're
hopeful
to
receive
feedback
from
this
committee.
Today
then,
after
the
committee
has
adopted
any
proposed
changes
that
will
be
brought
forward
to
the
full
city
council
for
discussion
and
consideration,
and
the
reason
why
we're
bringing
this
forward
now
is,
of
course
we
have
an
election
coming
up
in
november.
So
if
there
are
to
be
any
changes,
we
wanted
to
have
those
changes
ready
to
go
into
effect.
Should
there
be
new
city,
council,
members
and
and
new
appointments
to
council
committees.
C
C
Next
slide,
please
and
we'll
just
go
through
the
key
takeaways
one
more
time:
council
committees,
again
review
policy
matters
and
inform
and
educate
the
council
on
city
programs
as
well
as
community
matters.
Council
committees
have
not
been
reviewed
since
2006
and
then,
along
with,
using
the
feedback
from
today
to
revise
and
make
considerations
on
the
the
scopes
of
the
council
committees.
G
C
C
So
that's
something
that
we
could
at
least
at
a
cursory
review
review
on
an
annual
basis
and
then
to
your
point,
put
something
into
the
resolution
so
that
we
have
that
reminder
and
requirement
to
at
least
have
a
review
other
cities
that
I've
worked
for.
That's
just
the
process
that
they
followed
is,
after
there's
a
review
of
focus,
areas
or
strategic
priorities
by
the
city
council.
F
F
I
will
say
that
I
wonder
where
human
resources
lands,
because
the
staffing
of
city
hall
is
an
important
issue
and
something
that
came
up
in
our
retreat.
Maybe
that
goes
under
core
services,
but
I
think
adding
some
sort
of
note
about
the
human
element
is
important
to
acknowledge,
and
then
one
thing
that
I
saw
it
was
missing.
Is
it's
a
key
theme
of
our
living
asheville
comprehensive
plan
that
we're
going
to
work
on
responsible
regionalism?
F
C
Sure
and
that's
exactly
the
feedback
that
we're
seeking
today,
we
had
originally
on
the
question
around
hr
being
specifically
called
out,
given
that
so
much
of
our
budget
is,
of
course,
personnel.
Part
of
the
logic
was,
the
finance
committee
would
be
covering
some
of
that
and
then
any
considerations
on
changes
to
how
how
we
operate
as
an
organization
would
be
policy
related,
and
so
that
was
the
reason
for
not
specifically
calling
out
hr.
C
But
if
that
is
the
desire
of
governance
for
us
to
look
at
adding
that
to
the
title,
we
can
certainly
do
that.
We
also
in
terms
of
the
request
regarding
regionalism,
in
addition
to
what
you've
suggested
councilmember
roni.
Another
consideration
might
be
that
new
committee,
the
equity
and
engagement
committee,
just
engagement
not
only
being
how
we're
engaging
with
residents,
but
also
how
we're
engaging
with
our
regional
partners,
and
so
that
was
a
consideration
as
we
were
looking
at
the
titles
of
those
and
the
scopes
of
those
committees.
F
Okay
and
then
I
can
send
a
list
of
these,
for
if
it
makes
it
easier
for
a
memo,
as
others
are
pitching
in
ideas,
I
will
say
that
I
appreciate
the
focus
on
equity
and
neighborhood
resilience
and
the
environment,
especially
because
we
have
a
stated
climate
emergency
and
yet
maybe
not
enough
staff
to
hold
us
to
being
able
to
do
something
meaningful
about
it.
So
that's
really
important,
I
think,
for
a
community
to
bundle
that,
in
with
safety
because
of
the
existential
crisis
that
we
face.
So
thank
you
for
that.
C
F
F
I
think
that
it's
important
for
us
to
be
able
to
be
flexible
and
move
as
a
council
and
still
be
able
to
have
ebb
and
flow
between
our
advisory
boards,
but
I
think
there's
been
a
lot
of
pressure
and
it
wouldn't
take
a
lot
for
us
to
wait
until
our
next
governance
committee
to
bring
this
back
just
so
there's
more
opportunity
for
engagement
and
communications.
While
the
restructure
is
happening.
B
C
G
H
We
will,
however,
provide
some
recommendations
today
on
some
action
that
we
can
take
to
reduce
some
single-use
plastics
in
the
near
term
as
well,
so
if
we
can
go
to
the
next
slide,
so,
as
I
mentioned,
single-use
plastics
is
a
a
pretty
big
problem,
both
for
our
our
natural
environment.
It's
polluting
our
rivers
and
streams.
It's
causing
an
issue
for
our
wildlife,
it's
harmful
to
our
people.
H
H
They
tend
to
clog
up
storm
water
drains
and
they
also
tend
to
get
mixed
up
into
our
recycling
stream
and
can
often
clog
the
sorting
machines
which
creates
an
unsafe
working
environment
for
our
recycling
folks,
as
well
as
increased
cost
due
to
machinery
breaking
down
and
whatnot.
So
we
can
go
to
the
next
slide
so
a
little
bit
on
how
we
got
here
today.
This
is
a
snapshot
of
actions
that
led
us
to
this
discussion.
H
It's
not
an
exhaustive
list
of
the
waste
reduction
initiatives
that
the
city
has
taken
to
date,
but
is
limited
to
the
actions
that
I
think
are
really
applicable
to
our
discussion.
So
in
2014.
This
is
when
city
council
established
a
goal
to
reduce
landfill
waste
by
50
percent
by
2030,
and
the
proposed
ordinances
discussed
today
would
potentially
support
that
resolution,
and
that
was
really
the
first
time
that
we
got
direction
from
council
as
an
organization
to
focus
on
reducing
waste
in
our
community.
H
So
I
put
in
here
at
2022,
but
apparently,
prior
to
this
year,
there's
been
a
local
coalition
that
is
referred
to
as
the
plastic
free
western
north
carolina,
which
is
a
coalition
of
mountain.
True
sierra
club
and
the
north
carolina
public
interest
research
group
that
started
conducting
some
preliminary
outreach
doing
a
business
survey
as
well
as
interviews
with
agencies
that
serve
vulnerable
and
low-income
populations.
H
Then,
just
a
few
months
ago,
you
all
be
familiar
that
you
passed
our
fiscal
year.
23
budget
our
fiscal
year
runs
july,
1
to
june
30.,
and
that
included
an
increase
in
sanitation
fees,
which
will
include
funding
for
a
new
position,
a
waste
reduction
program
manager
and
a
small
budget
for
that
position
as
well.
So
I
know
some
of
our
council
members
who
have
been
with
us
sometime.
H
The
mayor
and
council
woman.
Whistler
will
remember
that
this
has
been
a
request
on
the
books
for
maybe
the
past
five
years
or
so
that
our
sustainability
advisory
committee
has
supported
so
just
foster.
Our
sanitation
division
manager
is
here
with
us
today
and
can
elaborate
on
the
services
that
this
additional
capacity
coming
online,
we'll
be
providing
in
the
fiscal
year
and
then.
Finally,
this
past
july,
our
sustainability
advisory
committee
on
energy
and
the
environment
deliberated
and
voted
on
two
separate
recommendations
that
the
support,
the
reduction
of
single-use
plastics
via
ordinances.
H
That
is
the
area
where
we
still
have
some
legal
uncertainty
over
our
authority
and
brad
branham
is
on
the
call
and
can
elaborate
on
that
further.
If
you
have
some
questions
about
that,
but
I
also
want
to
mention
that
the
conversation
wasn't
specifically
limited
to
our
authority
to
be
able
to
have
retailers
charge
a
10
cent
fee
that
they
retained.
H
It
was
also
there
was
conversation
and
concern
around
regulating
paper
products
in
a
single
use,
plastic
ordinance
and
whether
or
not
we
should
really
be
putting
that
guidance
out
there
on
what
that
cost
should
be
on
paper
bags.
So,
if
anybody's
interested
in
hearing
that
discussion,
that
meeting
was
recorded
and
is
on
the
city's
youtube
channel
for
anybody
who
would
like
to
go
back
and
take
a
look.
H
H
So
if
we
can
go
to
the
next
slide
so
once
we
got
these
recommendations,
I
started
to
dig
into
what
will
it
take
and
trying
to
look
for
another
local
government
that
was
had
some
similarities
to
us
and
the
example
that
we
found
in
the
southeast
was
charleston
south
carolina,
and
I
know
that
the
plastic-free
wnc
group
also
reached
out
and
had
some
conversations
with
charleston
as
well.
So
there's
some
familiarity
there
and
there's
a
lot
of
words
on
this
slide.
H
So
I
don't
want
to
read
through
all
of
them,
but
the
key
takeaways
that
I
want
you
to
come
away
with.
Are
that
charleston
did
a
lot
of
engagement
and
received
broad
support
from
their
residents,
but
then
ended
up
amending
their
ordinance
before
it
went
into
effect
once
it
was
adopted,
and
they
were
in
that
implementation
period.
H
So
in
charleston
at
least
at
this
time,
their
sustainability
office
was
a
staff
of
one.
But
this
was
her
primary
project
for
a
considerable
amount
of
time
and
then
three
that
she
utilized
the
input
that
was
received
during
the
public
engagement
to
really
inform
the
resources
that
they
thought
would
be
required
to
have
a
successful
transition
from
this
being
an
optional
to
a
mandatory
ordinance
and
that
that
was
funded
primarily
through
grants
and
then
also
additional
community
partners
that
stepped
up
to
participate
in
the
rollout
as
well.
H
I
would
like
to
point
out
that
at
this
current
moment
in
time,
no
resources
have
been
allocated
for
outreach,
implementation
or
enforcement.
I
would
also
like
to
acknowledge
that
I
know
wnc
plastic
free
wnc.
Our
nonprofit
partners
have
conducted
some
outreach,
but
this
is
not
enough
information
alone
for
the
city
to
understand
the
size
of
our
impacted
community
and
the
effect
and
how
we
can
support
them
in
that
time.
H
So
really
thinking
about
how
do
we
get
the
information
we
need
to
set
all
of
us
up
to
succeed
in
this
transition
and
that's
what
drove
the
estimated
timeline
you
see
on
the
screen
so
moving
to
the
next
slide.
I
want
to
connect
this
to
your
organizational
priorities
and
ultimately
to
the
staff
capacity.
H
So
many
of
you
are
familiar
with
this
slide,
but
those
of
you
who
are
new
to
it
are
members
of
the
public
that
are
listening
in
2016
city
council
determined
a
vision,
a
20-year
vision,
that's
broken
down
into
eight
vision,
focus
areas
I
believe:
a
clean
and
healthy
environment
being
one
of
them
at
your
annual
retreat.
Your
strategic
priorities
were
set
for
the
year
and
that's
how
staff
has
now
been
prioritizing
what
projects
really
address
those
needs,
so
we
can
see
some
movement
in
those
areas.
H
So
there's
two
priorities
from
our
department
that
have
kind
of
risen
to
that
organizational
wide
level,
which
means
that
they
are.
We
are
the
lead
department
in
that
space,
but
that
it
takes
support
from
all
of
our
great
colleagues
here
at
the
city,
the
first
one
being
the
municipal
climate
action
plan.
This
is
an
update
to
our
2009
sustainability
management
plan
to
include
the
additional
resolutions
that
council
has
adopted
since
that
time
and
to
prioritize
some
high
impact
practices
to
help
us
make
some
progress
on
those
goals.
H
So
there's
a
lot
that
has
been
added
to
updated
that
plan
and
I'm
hoping
to
bring
that
to
council
in
january
and
then
the
second
thing
is
our
climate
justice
initiative.
So
those
of
you
who
attended
the
public
safety
meeting,
I
gave
a
brief
update
on
that
initiative
and
basically,
where
we
are
right
now
is
taking
what
we've
heard
from
our
community
and
finding
a
way
to
try
to
integrate
that
into
the
way.
H
So
if
you
want
to
know
what
we
do
with
some
of
the
rest
of
our
time,
if
you
go
to
the
next
slide,
this
kind
of
outlines
some
of
the
other
projects
where
either
we
are
the
lead
or
we're
a
significant
contributor
to
a
project.
This
is
not
an
exhaustive
list,
but
something
just
to
give
you
a
little
snapshot
of
what
we
do
on
the
day-to-day,
and
I
try
to
organize
it
by
some
of
those
additional
resolutions
that
have
been
passed
since
the
sustainability
management
plan
was
adopted.
G
Yeah
just
quickly,
I
just
want
to
ask
bridget.
If
we
just
that
yesterday,
I
believe
the
ped
has
recommended
that
we
move
forward
with
participating
with
the
county
about
a
feasibility
study
for
solar
on
some
some
water
bodies.
That
will
also
take
your
time
and
the
water
department's
time,
and
that's
also
not
on
this
list.
Yet.
H
Right
and
I
kind
of
put
that
that's
kind
of
listed
under
cross-cutting
initiatives,
so
that's
kind
of
where
I
put
the
broader
bucket,
where
we
have
kind
of
multiple
irons
in
the
fire.
I
guess
I
should
say
so
that
partnership
with
buncombe
county
is
kind
of
where
I
was
putting.
That
piece.
Is
we
try
to
partner
with
them
to
achieve
our
common
goals
and
join
our
resources
together
as
much
as
we
humanly
can
to
make
it
more
efficient.
H
F
F
I
know
that
we
still
need
to
do
engagement
on
our
end,
I
think
we
can
bring
more
partners
to
the
table
and
more
sectors
to
the
table,
and
the
city
is
definitely
the
way
to
do
that.
But
I
wonder
if,
because
we've
been
doing
outreach
for
years
with
partners,
what
would
it
take
to
narrow
that
phase?
One.
H
Well,
I
think
part
of
it
is
figuring
out
what
we
don't
know
right
and
I
think
that's
a
frustrating
part
that
we
can't
just
say
we
need
to
read
x
number
of
businesses,
but
it's
also
like
we
need
to
look
at
the
different
types
of
businesses.
We
have
right
that
are
going
to
be
impacted
and
understand.
You
know
what
their
distribution
stream
is,
is
a
smaller
business
that
it
doesn't
have
access
to
a
larger
distribution
stream.
Where
are
they
purchasing
these
products?
Is
there
availability
in
that
space?
Then?
What
is
the
cost?
H
The
cost
isn't
going
to
be
the
same
to
everybody
across
the
board.
So
right
like
we
have
to
understand
the
landscape
a
little
bit
more,
so
we
can
understand
where,
like
the
pain
points
might
be
or
where
the
support
is
needed,
and
so
it's
hard
to
put
kind
of
a
number
or
a
time
frame
when
I
still
feel
like
we're
in
a
little
bit
of
exploratory
on
figuring
out
who
we
need
to
reach
and
whose
input
we
need
to
get.
If
that
makes
sense,.
F
It
does,
and
it
makes
me
wonder
when
would
be
a
reasonable
expectation
for
us
to
check
back
in
with
you
at
the
governance
committee
level,
so
that
we
could
understand
where
the
next
steps
are.
For
example,
could
we
say
you
know
in
in
two
or
three
months
we
have
an
idea
of
of
where
we
need
to
go
next
and
here's
our
rollout
of
phase
one.
H
H
B
I
guess
I'm
trying
to
understand
if
it's
bridget,
if
you're
saying
that
the
timeline
is,
is
subject
to
sort
of
internal
hiring
and
staffing
capacity
issues
or
needing
direction
from
the
full
council,
and
that
would
so
I'm
trying
to
try
to
because
we
do
need
to
bring
this
to
the
full
council
and
make
sure
there's
majority
support
to
move
ahead
and
have
staff
implement.
Whatever
the
you
know,
whatever
the
timeline
is
to
to
move
ahead
with
it.
But
are
you
saying
to
in
answer
to
kim's
question?
B
H
I'm
saying
to
answer
some
of
those
questions
about
what
public
engagement
might
look
like
and
the
amount
of
effort
that
it
would
take
to
roll
it
out
that
that's
going
to
take.
You
know
a
little
bit
of
exploratory
effort
and
that
the
capacity
isn't
there
right
now
in
this
moment,
unless
we
want
to
de-prioritize
other
things
and
put
something
else
on
the
back
burner.
B
G
And-
and
I
am
I'm
also
very
supportive
of
this
whole
initiative,
but
when
I
spoke
with
some
of
our
community
members,
you
know,
I
hope
it's
very
popular
and
I
hope
we
get
a
lot
of
support.
But
when
I
started
to
delve
in
a
little
bit
on
you
know
or
how
much
you
know
had
they
spoken
to
engels,
who
did
they
speak
to
in
the
fast
food
industry?
What
was
the
survey
results?
You
know,
unfortunately,
they
at
least
when
I
spoke
to
them
about
two
weeks
ago.
G
They
had
been
unable
to
reach
out.
They
had
been
unable
to
connect
with
ingles,
which
is,
I
would
venture
our
largest
grocery
store
in
asheville
they've,
yet
to
be
able
to
get
support
from
buncombe
county.
So
at
this
point
it
would
be
asheville
by
itself,
and
so
it
only
angles
store
within
the
city.
Limits
of
asheville
would
need
to
comply
with
this
and
not
just
single
stores.
I
realize
it's
everyone,
and
then
you
know
when
I
pushed
a
little
bit
on
survey
responses
from
the
chamber
of
commerce.
G
G
So
I
guess
I
you
know,
although
I
would
love
to
see
this
go
faster.
I
also
am
a
little
hesitant
to
just
say
that
the
engagement
that
has
already
been
done
is
good
and
so
we're
ready
to
go
so
that
that's
my
case
progress.
So,
although
I
would
like
to
see
it
go
faster,
I'm
also
very
supportive
of
staff,
stepping
back
and
really
enhancing
the
work.
F
I
have
been
thinking
about
the.
What
staff
reminds
me
is
to
ask
is
what
is
the
end
in
mind
and
when
we
see
the
water
quality
in
our
community
and
what
it
means
to
be
a
responsible
regional
partner
which
we
just
discussed,
but
also
we
say
that
equity
is
at
the
heart
of
what
we
do
and
and
what
it
means
when
I
see
water
quality,
for
example,
a
nasty
branch.
F
F
Straws,
plastic
cups,
styrofoam
plastic
bags,
it's
just
not
there,
and
I
think
that
if
we,
if
we
just
keep
that
end
in
mind,
that
we
might
have
partners
that
don't
want
to
come
to
the
table,
but
the
end
in
mind
will
benefit
all
of
us.
So
I
hope
that
we're
ready
to
make
a
strong
case,
even
if
we
have
to
move
forward
without
everyone
and
thanks
to
staff,
for
the
opportunity
to
bring
more
more
of
the
sectors
and
partners
to
the
table.
G
F
Well,
I
think
we're
gonna
have
to
look
at
the
well.
I
I
would
still
like
to
look
at
the
at
the
timing,
but
I
think
they're
acknowledging
there
is
a
capacity
issue
if,
if
this
is
a
reasonable
timeline
and
we
can
advance
it
faster
is
ideal,
but
I'm
going
to
support
staff
at
this
moment
and
just
see
what
we
can
do
to
get
farther,
especially
because
we
have
so
many
partners
at
the
table.
F
B
Okay,
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
I'll
do
a
roll
call
vote,
councilwoman,
rony,
hi
and
council
elon
wesler
hi,
okay
and
myself,
I
so
next
we
have
public
comment
and
then
I'm
going
to
read
this
and
callers
will
have
three
minutes
to
comment
and
at
the
end
of
three
minutes
staff
will
ask
you
to
wrap
up
your
comments.
Staff.
Do
we
have
anyone
in
the
speaker
queue.
I
I
It's
a
lot
newer
to
most
of
you
guys,
but
this
wasn't
an
ordinance
that
was,
you
know,
thought
of
out
of
out
of
nowhere
and
and
when
we
called
charleston
to
get
feedback,
they
said
the
reason
it
took
them
so
long.
They
were
really
one
of
the
first
cities
in
the
south
to
pass
such
an
ordinance
and
they
really
had
to
bring
their
council
along
with
them,
and
at
this
stage
you
know
their
recommendation
was
it's
been
done
in
a
lot
of
places?
It's
been
done.
I
Well,
we
figured
out
a
lot
of
mistakes
and,
while
I
do
things
you
know,
we
can
always
do
a
more
robust
outreach
to
businesses
in
particular
and
and
we're
more
than
happy
to
work
with
bridget
and
the
city
staff.
To
do
that,
the
recommendation
was
charles
from
charleston
was
don't
let
perfect
be
the
enemy
of
good
and,
and
I
think,
we're
at
a
good
place.
We
can
always
do
more,
but
I
think
partnering
with
bridget
and
the
city.
I
We
can
do
that
and
we
can
do
that
in
short
order,
and
so
I
look
forward
to
you
know,
figuring
out
exactly
what
that
role
looks
like
and
and
implementing
this,
hopefully
on
on
a
much
faster
timeline.
I
mean
the
priorities
listed
there
just
a
reminder:
we
are
in
a
climate
emergency.
The
city's
declared
that,
and
this
directly
addresses
climate,
it
directly
addresses
equity,
and
this
is
something
we
can
do
now.
We
have
partners
on
the
table
and
those
partners
are
willing
to
put
in
the
time
and
the
funding
to
make
this
happen.
J
Hi
this
is
kevin
jones,
I'm
a
resident
of
swan
and
noah
and
just
want
to
say
thank
you
all
for
taking
this
ordinance
under
consideration.
It's
extremely
important.
You
know
at
the
time
to
try
and
get
rid
of
the
plastics.
We
do
regular
river
cleanups
and
I'm
sure
you
guys
they
sort
of
be
aware
that
you
know
cartwheels
into
this
group.
J
We've
been
doing
it
for
years,
but
the
plastic
load
is
quite
extensive
in
the
rivers,
and
you
know
it's
it's
very
bad
for
the
river
aquaculture
that
the
microplastics
load
is
increasing
every
year,
they're
finding
they
test
the
water
so
very
important.
You
know
to
get
this
this
in
place.
Thank
you
very
much
for
for
all
you're
doing.
K
K
While
we
recognize
the
city
wants
to
do
its
own
public
outreach
about
plastics
reduction
and
that's
a
good
idea,
we
do
think
this
elongated
phased
approach
is
basically
reinventing
a
wheel.
I'd
asked
city
staff
not
to
let
perfect,
be
the
enemy
of
good.
That
first
plastic
bag
ban
was
passed
in
san
francisco
in
2007.
K
That
was
15
years
ago.
They
didn't
have
all
the
answers
back
then,
and
in
fact
it
was
revised
when
they
learned
from
its
implementation,
but
it's
important
that
they
tried.
Seven
years
later,
the
entire
state
of
california
passed
a
plastic
bag
policy,
so
we've
been
able
to
learn
from
them.
We
know
what
mistakes
they
made.
We
know
what
their
successes
were.
We've
also
been
able
to
learn
from
the
400
other
ordinances
that
have
been
passed
across
the
country.
K
There
actually
have
been
best
practices
that
have
been
developed
now
and
we've
incorporated
them
while
it's
important
to
get
public
input,
it
shouldn't
be
ignored.
What's
already
been
done,
we've
been
studying
this
issue
in
depth.
For
several
years,
we've
been
sampling
for
microplastics.
For
two
years,
we've
been
educating
the
public
about
the
issue:
we've
gotten
over
3000
signatures
in
support
of
this
work,
we've
collaborated
with
businesses,
other
nonprofits
curbside
services
and
other
local
governments.
So
this
work
has
not
has
not
come
out
of
a
vacuum.
K
We've
studied
we've
gotten
their
feedback
and
we've
edited
and
incorporated
it
and
we're
ready
and
willing
to
do
more.
So
we
please
ask
for
a
more
aggressive
timeline.
As
this
conversation
moves
forward,
we
are
willing
to
help,
and
we
think
two
years
from
now
is
a
bit
too
long.
So
thank
y'all
for
your
time
and
thanks
for
all
you
do.
We
appreciate
you
listening
to
us
today.
D
Yes,
thank
you
mayor
and,
and
thank
you
very
much,
my
name
is
andy
ellen.
I'm
president
general
counsel
of
the
north
carolina
retail
merchants
association,
and
you
should
have
received
a
memo
yesterday
from
our
attorney
tom
terrell,
with
fox
rothschild
questioning.
What
is
one
issue?
That's
not
been
discussed
here,
which
is
the
legality
of
such
an
ordinance,
whereas
the
previous
caller
referenced
400
ordinances
in
san
francisco
and
charleston.
D
Neither
none
of
those
400
involved.
North
carolina
law,
the
wisconsin
constitution.
North
carolina,
is
a
is
a
a
dylan
rule.
State
versus
a
home
rule
state
like
a
lot
of
those,
and
so
all
of
those
ordinances
are
irrelevant
as
it
relates
to
north
carolina
law.
North
carolina's
had
one
out
one
bag
ban,
which
is
on
the
outer
banks
from
2009
to
2017.
D
It
was
repealed
by
the
north
carolina
general
assembly
and
the
north
running
constitution,
as
well
as
north
carolina
general
statutes.
Do
not
allow
the
city
of
asheville
or
other
localities
to
move
forward
with
such
an
ordinance,
but-
and
I
give
credit
where
credit
is
due-
this
is
a
creative
way
using
the
solid
waste
management
act,
to
try
and
get
away
then
around
the
norikone
constitution,
as
well
as
the
north
carolina
general
statutes.
D
At
a
time
when
food
prices
are
at
their
all-time
high,
the
inflation
number
was
bliss
was
provided
today
by
the
fed
and
we're
up.
You
know
the
highest
rates
we've
had
in
a
long
time.
This
only
serves
to
increase
prices
on
food
and
consumers
in
north
carolina
and
to
do
so
in
a
way
that
is
illegal,
both
in
trying
to
tax
plastic
bags
and
food
wear
as
well
as
trying
to
ban
them.
D
But
I
hope
you
will
that
again
was
one
issue
that
was
not
taken
up
or
discussed
in
the
account
in
the
governance
committee
meeting,
and
I
hope
that
was
something
the
attorney
will
look
at,
as
well
as
the
mayor's
very
fine
attorney
herself,
as
you
decide
whether
to
move
forward
with
this
ordinance.
Thank
you.